June 10, 2025 • 45 mins
Welcome to a pivotal moment in our Biblical Leadership journey as we cross the threshold from the Old Testament into the New Testament. This transition marks not merely a new section of Scripture, but a profound shift in how God's love for humanity is demonstrated through the person of Jesus Christ.
The Gospel of Matthew opens with a remarkable genealogy that does far more than establish Jesus' credentials as the promised Messiah. Hidden within this detailed family tree are powerful leadership lessons about legacy, inclusion, and the value of every person within an organization. Notably, Matthew includes four women in Jesus' lineage—an extraordinary acknowledgment of their significance in a patriarchal society. This teaches modern leaders that everyone matters, regardless of their position or background.
When we examine the account of the Wise Men from the East, we discover principles about risk-taking and following divine direction. These scholars embarked on a dangerous journey based on their study of prophecies and astronomical signs, then made the courageous decision to disobey King Herod when warned in a dream. Their story challenges today's leaders to consider: Are you willing to follow your convictions even when the path forward seems uncertain or risky?
John the Baptist emerges as a case study in focused messaging and understanding one's role within a larger mission. His clear, concise call to repentance attracted thousands, demonstrating the power of a well-defined message. For contemporary leaders, this raises important questions about organizational clarity: Can your team members articulate your mission in a few simple words? Does everyone understand their contribution to the larger purpose?
Finally, Jesus' temptation in the wilderness offers insights into maintaining integrity when faced with ethical challenges. Every leader encounters situations that test their principles—whether to compromise quality for profit or bend rules for convenience. Jesus' example of countering each temptation with established truth provides a template for developing ethical resilience before facing such challenges.
As we journey through Matthew's Gospel in the coming weeks, we'll explore Jesus' revolutionary concept of servant leadership—an approach that continues to transform organizations and leaders who embrace it. Subscribe now and join us as we uncover timeless leadership principles from the life and teachings of history's most influential leader.
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Hey Tim.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Dr Posey, how are you doing today?
I'm doing fantastic today.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
How are you doing?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Well, you know we're hanging in here.
This is a fun day.
This is like a milestone, thisis like a turning point for our
year.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yes, it is.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
How exciting is that.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
That is so exciting.
We finished the Old Testamentlast week.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
If we would have been good, we would have took our
hiatus, our little break at theend of the Old Testament.
It would have smoothed outright there.
But you know, we've been backin the studio a couple weeks now
, so we're excited to be back.
We're getting back in the swingof things over here.
Yes, and we're starting the NewTestament and, yeah, it's pretty
exciting, A little bitdifferent tone.
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You know, in the New Testament,you know, and we're going to
get the dad jokes I see him overthere, Jones, and for some dad
jokes.
But let's let's give people.
Tell us a little bit about thefeel I mean cause you know
people always talk to.
They have problems with some ofthe Old Testament writings and
stuff and compared to the NewTestament.
Do you have any comments on anyof that?
I know you give advice how tosort of navigate the Bible,
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sometimes as far as if theywanted to read it in 90 days or
a year or whatever it might be.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yes, and so, first of all, it's one book, a bunch of
different authors right,sixty-six books, but a bunch of
different authors over thousandsof years of time.
But there's one themethroughout the entire book, and
that is God loves us, period.
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Okay, and if there was, assomeone said, hey, if God had a
refrigerator, your picture wouldbe on it.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
And God's number one item every day is humankind.
I mean, that's the number oneagenda.
You know, taking care of theworld, you know making flowers
bloom and all this stuff.
Yes, that's all important, butthat is nothing compared to how
much he loves you and me.
And so that's from the verybeginning, from the first page
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to the end.
It's a consistent message, andthe thing that we see beginning
in the New Testament more thanthe Old Testament, is that God
loved us so much that heactually came down as a person
and His Son, jesus Christ, wasfully God, fully human, and
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showed.
He didn't just tell us, heshowed us that he loved us
through His teaching, throughHis death on the cross, his
resurrection.
And so let's just start therewith a leadership principle.
You know this goes back toalmost from the very beginning.
Our very first podcast goesback to almost from the very
beginning, our very firstpodcast when we're talking about
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do you walk your talk?
And so that is so true as webegin the New Testament.
Now, some people might notrealize when they're reading the
Bible.
After the last book of the OldTestament, the book of Malachi,
to the New Testament, there'sabout a 400-year break.
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Okay, we don't necessarily getthat if we're just reading the
Bible.
But if we look at the historyand when most scholars think
that the last books of the NewTestament were written, there's
about a 400-year break betweenthe Malachi and or the last of
the prophets and the NewTestament.
And so you know, a lot ofthings can happen in 400 years.
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But there was still anexpectation of the Messiah
coming.
And if we read Jewish history,between those 400 years there
was a lot of things going on.
You had Alexander the Great andthen you had the Romans take
over, then you had the MaccabeanRevolt.
There's just a lot of thingsgoing on over that part of the
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world.
And in the Old Testament, withthe rules, leviticus,
deuteronomy, those kind ofthings.
But if you read it from thefilter of, okay, what does this
story tell me about God's lovefor me?
And then if you read that, youmight not see it on every
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chapter, every page, but theoverarching theme, that is the
theme and it becomes real,dominant in beginning in the New
Testament.
So that's kind of where we areand, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
No, I was going to ask you because I mean, we'll
probably have a lot of peoplethat are starting at the New
Testament you know, They'llprobably start listening to the
show and I know that you'vementioned minor versus major
prophets and maybe how does thattie into this?
A lot of people don't know,haven't listened to some of our
Old Testament show.
How does that transition intoNew Testament?
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Sort of a similar thing.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Well, yes and no, but the difference between the
major and minor prophets is thelength of their work, it's not
the importance of their message.
And so you have Isaiah Jeremiah, isaiah Jeremiah, you know,
those are the Ezekiel.
Those are long books, you know.
And then you have the book of,you know, malachi four chapters.
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And so it's not that Malachi'smessage was less important, it's
just that the length of hiswork was smaller.
So they're called the minorprophets.
So there's four major prophets,12 minor prophets.
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But if you look at the messagespecifically of the book of
Isaiah, there's a lot ofprophecy there about the coming
of the Messiah and that God isgoing to redeem his people.
But you've got to know it'sthere and you've got to know
where to look for it.
And so here is Isaiahprophesying hundreds of years
before Christ.
And then we look at the life ofChrist, which we're going to
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start getting into here in justa few minutes, and we see that
every one of the prophecies ofthe Old Testament about him
became true.
And it's just if you actuallylook at all the prophecies about
where he was born, in Bethlehem, and he was from the line of
David, and all these things, ifyou start looking at all those,
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then it's just phenomenal.
There's not a way it could allbe coincidence that he fulfilled
all those prophecies, and thoseare written hundreds of years,
and so that is one of the waysto tie the Old Testament with
the New Testament.
Now, if you just read the Bible,if you've never read the Bible
before, I encourage you to startwith the New Testament.
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You might read maybe onechapter of the Old Testament.
We encourage you to listen toour podcast during the Old
Testament.
You might read maybe onechapter of the Old Testament.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
We encourage you to listen to our podcast during the
.
Old Testament.
Read the New Testament, then goback and read the Old Testament
.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yes and then because the Old Testament you know it's
a lot longer than the NewTestament, obviously and you can
get bogged down Now.
Genesis and Exodus justphenomenal history.
And the creation story, youknow, the people of Israel going
down to Egypt becoming slaves,coming out of Egypt, you know,
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with Moses, they're justphenomenal history.
And then you read Leviticus,you know Deuteronomy and Numbers
, and then you get into the bookof Joshua, which is more
history and just some phenomenalleadership principles there.
But they're all leading to whatwe're beginning today and that
is the New Testament and God'sredemptive plan for all
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humankind.
And so I'm excited that we'renot just finished, but I'm
excited about what we're gettingready to start.
And so, as we get into the NewTestament, it's important to
understand one word that or aphrase that's often used when
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describing the first four booksof the New Testament.
So you have Matthew, mark, lukeand John.
Those are called the Gospels,and the word gospel means good
news, and so many times you willhear people talk about the
Gospels.
Well, they're talking aboutthose first four books.
Like the Jewish people wouldtalk about the Pentateuch that
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was the first five books of theOld Testament or the Torah.
So there's certain words that'simportant to understand.
What does that actually mean?
So if you look at the Gospels,that's the first four books.
Now, in those first four books,you have what you call the
Synoptic Gospels synopticmeaning similar and so you have
Matthew, mark and Luke.
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Now, many of the stories aresimilar and it depends on what
biblical scholar you talk to.
It's like okay, most scholarsbelieve that Mark was the first
one written and then Matthew andLuke used Mark as a source to
write their own version or addto it.
What's incredible about Matthew?
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He was one of the disciples.
Mark Most scholars believe thatMark was written, and we'll get
to Mark here in a couple ofweeks.
Mark was written by a man bythe name of John Mark, who we
read about in the book of Acts,but it was really the preaching
of Peter, and Mark was like ascribe and he wrote it down
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Peter's preaching, and thatbecame the book of Mark.
Interesting thing about Lukewas that Luke was a Gentile
physician who became a Christianunder the teaching of Paul.
We read about that in the NewTestament book of Acts, and so
he was not a first generation,you know, one of the 12
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disciples of Jesus, and so hisstory has so much power in it?
Because he was not.
He didn't grow up a Christian,he didn't grow up in Israel, he
didn't grow up Jewish, and yethe became a Christian and his
writing is.
It is my favorite book in thewhole Bible.
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But we have the birth story ofJesus from the book of Luke, we
have the story of the wise menfrom the book of Matthew.
So when you're reading the Bible, many times you can't just look
at one chapter, one book.
You have to look at all of itand put it all together like
pieces of a puzzle.
And when you do that you getthe big picture of what God is
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doing, that he prioritizeshumankind, that he loves us,
right where we are, just the waywe are, and he sent His Son to
redeem us from our sin becausehe wants us to live with Him in
heaven forever.
So we see that.
And when we start reading theBible with that filter, then we
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begin to see things that wemaybe hadn't seen before.
And if we read the OldTestament from the filter of oh,
what does this tell me aboutJesus?
What is the prophecy?
Sometimes there isn't aprophecy, but many times there
are, if you know where to look,and so it's exciting to begin
this new chapter in our podcastjourney, you know we've been
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doing this now, oh gosh, a yearand a half.
Yeah, a little bit yeah and sonow we're here and it's exciting
a new chapter.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
That's awesome exciting.
Yeah, very exciting.
Yeah, and I noticed that whenwe go through and you read these
, I think what you said you haveto sort of pull from each of
the stories Because if you readthem a lot of them they seem
like they overlap.
They're restating some of thesame information, but there's
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little details that come outthrough everybody's eyes.
Looking at a situation just alittle bit different, yes,
exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
It's like if you went to a birthday party and then
you asked five people to writetheir experience.
They'd all be talking about thesame thing, but they would put
their own slant on it because oftheir background, their point
of view in the room, whatever.
And so that's what we see inthe first four books.
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Okay, the other thing about ittalking about Luke and we'll get
into Luke here in a coupleweeks is that Luke didn't just
write the book of Luke, he alsowrote the book of Acts, and so
we read about Paul finding Lukeon one of his missionary's
journeys.
He became a follower of Paul, adisciple of Paul, followed him
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around, and if it hadn't beenfor that experience and we'll
get to that when we get to thebook of Acts then we wouldn't
have the book of Luke and wewouldn't have the book of Acts.
And the book of Acts basicallyis the story of the early church
, the first couple of decadesafter Jesus' death, and so such
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an amazing compilation of whatGod did to bring the story of
redemptive history into print,and then, over time, that story
has just impacted billions ofpeople's lives.
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Still, the number one sellingbook in the world is the Bible.
There's all these New YorkTimes bestseller whatever.
The Bible is still the numberone selling book in the world
and has been for years and yearsand years.
And so if you want to read thebestselling book, it might not
be on the New York Timesbestselling list, but the
bestselling book of all time isthe Bible.
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And I was just talking to ayoung man 33 years old.
He just became a Christian herejust a few weeks ago.
I had the privilege ofbaptizing him about a month ago
and I said, okay, he wanted tobuy a Bible.
I said, okay, you go to thestore.
If you have any questions, giveme a call.
But here's the thing you go tothe store where they sell a
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bunch of Bibles and you justtake this just like five or six
different versions.
You have the NIV version, youhave NSRV, you have the King
James version, new King's,there's the New American
Standard.
There's so many differentversions.
They use different language.
I mean, they use different,maybe, words, but they're still
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trying to translate it from theoriginal Greek and Hebrew.
Okay.
So I said just sit down, takeabout 30 minutes to an hour, sit
down with five or six differentones, read the exact same
passage from all these differentones, like turn to Matthew 1,
turn to John 1, whatever.
Just read the exact same storyfrom all these different
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versions and then whatever oneyou feel like is your speaks to
you the most, it's easier toread.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Yeah which one resonates by that one.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Okay, I said because, like the King James Version of
the Bible, which is still thenumber one seller, is written in
like a 12th grade reading level.
Niv is like in a 9th gradereading level.
So it depends on what fits yourpersonality, what fits your
desire.
That's the Bible you shouldread and you might read.
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I read the NIV.
I've read the NIV for years andyears and years.
I preached from that for years.
I've used the NRSV, the NewRevised Standard Version, for a
while.
But that's just me.
I just I'm comfortable withthat.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Other people are.
I'm old school King James here.
King James, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah, I'm old school, yeah, new King James.
King James, they did a greatjob of that and I should say
find a Bible.
It could be the living Bible,it could be the message.
I mean, whatever works for you,just find something that works
for you and begin to read it.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Right, that's great.
Well, you know, just to let youknow, I think we might get a
few new listeners here becauseyou know it's one of those
things when people search fordifferent things, they're
looking at that and they'regoing to see that we're getting
into the New Testament.
There's a lot, a bit morepopularity with New Testament.
We might get some new listeners.
So, if you're a first-timelistener to our show, what our
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show is is basically we take theBible we go through this year.
We're going through a seriesthis year maybe a little over a
year, depending on how we breakit up where we talk about the
Bible.
We sort of do a recap on ahigh-level overview of each of
the chapters of the Bible andthen we tie in some leadership
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principles and how you can usethem in everyday life.
And then we throw in some dadjokes and people always ask us
love the show, what's up withthe dad jokes?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yes, exactly right.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Well, when Dr Posey and I sit down, when we were
constructing this, we bothfigured out that we liked dad
jokes and we had a lot of funwith it and we decided if we're
going to sit down and dopodcasts for years, we're going
to make this fun.
We don't want to be too serious.
Dr Posey's been a minister for40-plus years.
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He's done the serious.
He's got a very light-heartedside to him.
I'm sort of a jokester.
I get that from my son.
He's one.
No, I'm just kidding.
We like to have fun, so wethrow dad jokes in there and so
you're going to hear dad jokesrandomly through there.
You're going to get a lot ofleadership principles that you
can walk out and use in everydaylife and then you're going to
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get a recap of some of thehighlights of the Bible, sort of
maybe get you interested.
You know, going down a path ofwherever that may take you.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yes, exactly right.
So, considering you just talkedabout dad jokes, and just a few
weeks ago when he had theIndianapolis 500, which is just
an incredible race, you know.
So what do parents feed theirinfant child if they want them
to grow up and be a race cardriver?
Cheery goes, that'd be good,nah Tried.
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How about Formula One?
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Oh, nice, I like that one Formula One.
I would actually give that onesome applause.
Yeah, yeah, I like that oneFormula One.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
I would actually give that one some applause there,
yeah yeah, okay, before we moveon, just tell me a joke about a
flat tire, no pressure.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Let's see, I don't know about that one.
I'll give you one more.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Some of these jokes are groaners and some of them
are sleepers.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Just don't turn about that one.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, so some of these jokes are groaners and
some of them are sleepers.
And just don't turn off thepodcast, okay.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
You got to have a combination of knock it out of
the park and then the groaners,because that's the groaners what
makes some of the dad jokes fun.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Okay, so who do you call?
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Ghostbusters yeah, here we go.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
So you know we're in Texas.
It's the beginning of thesummer, it's hot Mosquito season
.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
If you want to get rid of your mosquito infestation
.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
who do you call Ghostbusters?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Mosquito busters, the SWAT team.
There you go, the SWAT team.
All right.
Yeah, so we do have people thatlisten in a lot of different
countries.
But I want to say that we arebased out of here, out of Dallas
, texas, in that surroundingarea down here.
So if you always wonder wherethe show is, we're all that and
you can get on our website.
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You can check out these and allthe spots that you listen to,
some of the podcasts.
That's probably where you'refinding us.
You can text us, you can textus, you can email us, so there's
a lot of ways to get hold of us.
Just so you know.
And other than that, you gotone more dad joke you ready.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Yeah, so you know, the old-fashioned carousel, the
old-fashioned carousel.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah, yeah, I love it .
There's one up in Massachusettswe ride all the time.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Oh, that's great.
I had a friend that fainted onone of those, yeah, but he's
okay.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
He's coming back around.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
And around, and around and around.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yeah, all right.
Okay, let's get after it.
So I thought of something, butthat's all right, I'm going to
leave it until later, leave ituntil later.
We've tortured him enough.
Leave it till later.
Leave it till later.
We've tortured him enough, youknow.
So, as we talked about this,we're going to do we talked
about it last week, I do believewhere we're going to break down
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some of the longer chapters,some of the messages.
So, as we go through this NewTestament, you might see us pick
up some you know, a half of achapter and then finish another
half chapter next week, andthat's sort of what we're
looking for here in the nextcouple of weeks, right?
So, matthew, we're going tostart with this week, right?
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Right, we're starting with Matthew.
Matthew is 28 chapters long, sowe're going to do chapter 1
through 14 today.
Next week, we'll do chapter 15through 28.
The following week, the book ofMark is only 16 chapters and
so—I said only 16 chapters, butit's 16 chapters, so we'll do
all of that.
Luke is 24 chapters, so we'lldo 12 chapters one week and 12
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the next.
The book of John 21, 22chapters, and so we'll break
that down.
So the book of Acts is 28chapters.
So specifically in the firstbeginning of the New Testament,
there's so much material.
Now there's some common themesin the synoptic gospels and then
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the four gospels together, andthat is on servant leadership,
because that's what Jesus wasall about, and so that is such a
powerful leadership conceptthat too few leaders practice
today, but it has so manyimplications for excellent
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leadership loyalty of yourpeople, role modeling of your
next generation, your successionplan.
There's so many things that wecan talk about with servant
leadership.
So we're going to be using thatphrase a lot.
We're going to talk about whatthat means, why it's important
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and where that's found in theScripture, and so if you've
never heard of that term, juststick with us and we will get
after it.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Right, yeah.
So where is the book of Matthew?
It's sort of to overview.
This talks about Jesus showingup right, right.
Is that sort of the?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, and so what's interesting?
At the very beginning of thebook of Matthew you read about
the genealogy of Jesus.
Okay, now what's interesting isthe very first chapter is the
genealogy of Jesus, and in thatparticular genealogy we find
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some people that if we read theOld Testament we would read all
about them, some people that ifwe read the Old Testament we
would read all about them.
But there's also four womenmentioned, three by name, but
also David's.
Mistress Bathsheba is mentionedas the wife of Uriah.
Her name is not mentioned,which is interesting, but women,
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unfortunately back then werenot thought of very highly.
Okay, which is tragic, butthat's the way it was.
And but yet you see these fourwomen in the genealogy of Jesus.
And then there's some.
You have some really good kings, some very bad kings.
It starts out with Abraham,goes all the way down to Joseph
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and it goes down.
Genealogy was very important.
So let's just talk about thechapter one before we get to the
visit of the wise men.
Let's just talk about chapterone Record-keeping and
administration.
Okay, Right.
The Jewish people are phenomenalrecord-keepers.
I mean phenomenalrecord-keepers.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
They have to be.
I mean, it was, yes, you readsome of the genealogies and I
mean there's yes, they keepgoing and going and going and
going and going.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
And back then, by the time you were 12, you had
memorized so much of the OldTestament.
So they still are exceptionallywell doing that.
But here, in the first chapterof Matthew, we read the
genealogy.
And so here's the question asfar as leadership, how good a
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record keeper are you?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Are you keeping track of your?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
expenses.
Are you struggling every timeyou have to turn in your tax
returns?
Do you have somebody doing that?
If you're not good at keepingrecords, okay, you're not the
detail person.
You need to find someone who isthe detail person to keep your
records, because that's justgood leadership.
Now you might have started outas a single like you, a single
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contractor.
You're doing everything.
You know you might be a plumber, you might be an electrician,
you might hang wallboard,whatever it may be, lay tile,
you know you might cut grass,whatever you do.
But if you're not a good recordkeeper, then you're going to
get in trouble.
And so the question is how areyou handling your records Right?
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And then here's the other thingthe women in chapter 1, they
were not thought of very highly.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
And yet there's four of them in the genealogy of
Jesus that are listed.
Now, obviously, there had to bea woman involved in every
generation, but there's fourlisted and so think about this
they were seen as such animportant part of the genealogy
of Jesus.
They're listed in the genealogyin Matthew, chapter one, which
tells me, as far as leadershipprinciple, that every person is
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important.
Every person is important.
And so the question I'd have asfar as leadership do you treat
everybody in your organizationas important, as an important
piece of the puzzle, or do youtreat other people less
important than others?
And that is such a valuableleadership tool.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, and that's sort of what I got out of my show
prep is I had the similar thingGod uses imperfect people to you
know.
So, as you as a leader, yourleaders don't have to be perfect
.
Your people working for youdon't have to be perfect.
We all bring something to thetable.
And then the second thing thatI got out of Jesus' genealogy
that tied into leadership wasthat legacy matters.
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You're only building for thenext generation, whether it be
whatever your company does,whether it be you as a father,
it's a constant build on everyyear.
So that legacy's there, thatgenealogy.
You've got to think in the past, not what you're going to
accomplish here, but what'sgoing to accomplish four
generations from now and keepingthat leadership going in some
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of your genealogies and some ofyour downlines right.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Correct, and so here's just a personal story.
When I was growing up, my dadwas a phenomenal baseball coach.
My older brother really goodfirst baseman.
My younger brother incrediblecatcher.
Me not so good at baseball atall.
I wanted to be but, I playedbaseball until I got hit in the
(28:16):
face with the ball and broke mynose.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
I've been there, done that.
Yeah, then I quit.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
But here's the thing I played on the team but I
didn't have a coach who taughtme how to play ball.
Okay, they would send me outthere and I made so many
mistakes, okay, but I never hada person that really said this
is how you field a ground ball.
This is how you throw theground ball.
This is how you throw it moreaccurately.
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This is how you do this, thisis how you bat.
You were just supposed to getup there and do it and I had no
training on how to do it and Iwas horrible at doing it and so,
because I wasn't that good, Ididn't.
I wanted to be good, but I justdidn't have any training.
So my question is for you whoare leaders how much time are
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you spending training yourpeople to do what you ask them
to do?
Do you just give them a taskand then just assume they know
how to do it?
Not that you have tomicromanage.
Jesus was not a micromanager.
Okay, he trained his people andthen he sent them out, but he
sure he was encouraging, but hetrained his people and so he
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trained them by them watchinghow he did it, and so he would
go and pray for somebody.
He'd heal somebody, then hewould send them out to heal, but
they had watched him do it.
And so the question for leadersis how much time do we spend
training our people?
How much time do we say youknow what?
That's not exactly how I wantthat done.
(29:46):
Let me show you how I want thatdone.
Now, let's be blunt.
Sometimes people just don'twant to learn, they just can't
do it or they don't want to doit.
You teach them certain ways andthey still do it because they
just feel like it's notimportant.
Well, you know, sometimes I'vehad to let people go because,
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you know, you say no, I wantthis done this way, I want it
this way, this is why I want itdone this way.
And they just refuse to do itover time.
And it's like you know what Ineed somebody who will actually
do it, which is good for theorganization, not just because
that's the way you want to do it, but that's to me a perfect
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leadership principle from here,from the very beginning of
Matthew chapter.
You know one and two.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Right, I got it, that's good.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
And then we go on to the wise men.
Okay, so we have the genealogyof Jesus, then we have the birth
of Jesus and then we have thevisitation of the wise men.
Now you might not know I meanyou might have seen a manger
scene at Christmas time orsomething like that and you see
the three wise men and they camefrom the east and they brought,
you know, they saw a star, andthey came to Jesus there in
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Bethlehem.
They presented Him the gifts ofgold, frankincense and myrrh.
But they first went toJerusalem and then they talked
to the king, said hey, you know,we've been looking for this
baby.
He was born king of the Jews.
And Herod says well, go find himand then come back and tell me.
Well, then we read that in adream.
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They said no, don't go back theway you came, go back a
different way.
And so the I have a plaque onthe wall in my home office,
right above my desk, that I lookat at least once or twice a day
(31:38):
.
It says never confuse the willof the majority with the will of
God.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Right.
And so here is the wise men,and the king wanted them to come
back, and they thought, no,that's not good.
And so the question is as aleader, we have to make tough
decisions sometimes really toughdecisions, and it could be a
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matter of quality over quantity,it could be a matter of bottom
line, it could be this, could bethat.
But the question is who are welistening to in order to make
those decisions?
Are we trying to make them byourselves?
Are we praying about it?
Order to make those decisions,are we trying to make them by
ourselves?
Are we praying about it?
Are we getting our top leaderstogether and helping them think
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through?
The answer before a decision isreached and that's just good
leadership is to get some inputbefore a major decision is
reached.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Yeah, my show, matthew too.
I sort of looked at the wiseleaders and sort of my principle
I got out of that is, you knowthey were listening to divine
direction, right.
But I mean, when you have a gutfeeling, when you have whatever
you want to call it, a lot oftimes that is divine direction,
right, it's internal, it's thatgut feeling, it's leading you
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down a path.
You have some kind of callingdown there and sometimes it's
risky.
I mean, this was pretty toughfor some wise leaders to step up
and avoid.
They did a whole bunch of stufflike protecting Christ and the
legacy and all that.
And I think there's a lot oftimes that leaders and all that.
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And I think there's a lot oftimes that leaders they go down
a path even though it's risky,they challenge.
I know people mortgage theirhouse to start a business.
They're called Think of Noah.
You wrote a book a long timeago.
It started out this podcastwhere he had to build this ark,
right.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
And that was the whole thing.
Well, just think about this wedon't know exactly where these
wise men came from.
Okay, many people think it wasBabylon.
Okay, it's somewhere in theeast.
Okay, they see a star They'vebeen thinking about.
They had to be reading theprophecies of the Old Testament,
which we had talked about.
They knew there was going to bea star.
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They see the star and then theyhead out on a journey.
They didn't know if that wasgoing to be true or not.
They risk everything for thatdream.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
And you know, I just applaud those entrepreneurs that
are willing to risk so much tofulfill a dream.
Yeah, sometimes they fall flaton their face you know, but at
least they try to do somethingthat their whole heart, their
whole life.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
And a lot of times they regroup and do it again yes
, exactly right.
And they rebuild.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
They rebuild, and so you know.
So the question is, as a leader, how much risk are we willing
to take?
You know, whether that's a newproduct line, whether that's
changing buildings, locations,reformatting our image on social
media, whatever it is, are wecomfortable with what is, or are
we willing to step out and takea little risk?
(34:52):
And that's a really goodquestion.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Yeah, just so you know, we're not going to make it
to chapter 14, right, we're onchapter two Because it's our
show.
We do whatever we want, but wecan catch it.
Next week We'll do a couplemore because I know we're
running on time.
I don't want to make this like12 hours long on a podcast.
So we'll go through maybechapter four, have that sound a
little bit better and see whatwe can do, and then is that a
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good stopping point.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yeah, because in chapter five we start with a
sermon on the mount right, solet's just go through chapter
four, and then we'll just keepgoing.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Because I mean I want to cut you short, where you
don't have any dad jokes goingon at the end of this and we
have to cut you off immediatelybecause that would make Dr Posey
, I've got so many dad jokes.
And if you're a first timelistener of our show and stuff,
you got to understand Dr Poseyhas like 300 dad jokes.
He's got dad jokes emergencydad jokes in a box.
He's got some calendar dadjokes.
(35:45):
He's got printout dad jokes.
He's got book dad jokes.
He's got all kinds of dad jokes.
So when we say we're set up fordad jokes we are good that we
are good.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
That's part of show prep that is part of show prep
and that's great, so let's gointo Matthew 3 while we're
talking okay, and here we have,coming on the scene a man by the
name of John the Baptist.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
So John the Baptist's role, if we read the book of
Luke, which we will get to here,in a couple of weeks, maybe
months.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
I don't know where we're going.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Right, it's a year and a half of leadership, and so
we see that John the Baptistand Jesus were related and John
the Baptist's mother becamepregnant in her old age.
Jesus' mother, mary, waspregnant in her young age and
John the Baptist was born likesix months before Jesus.
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But then John the Baptist grewup, he had incredible parents
and then he felt called by Godand his job was to prepare the
way for Jesus.
Okay, so he baptized, calledpeople to repent, but here's the
thing boldness was just in hisDNA.
(36:58):
Okay, he was so bold aboutsharing his message.
And so you know, as far asleadership, I don't know if we
would put John the Baptist asone of the great leaders of the
Bible, but I think he was one ofthe most bold people in that
time, just because he was doingsomething that no one else had
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done.
His job from God was to preparethe way for Jesus and he was
bold about it.
He was not obnoxious unless youwere a religious leader and
they were trying to cut him downand eventually he got beheaded,
you know, gave his life for hiscause.
But his boldness, his message,was very focused and he did his
(37:45):
job.
And so the question of is, asfar as leaders, we can be bold
without being obnoxious, okay,but is our message concise and
to the point?
So people understood John theBaptist's message repent.
I mean, it was basically oneword, and the people came to him
(38:06):
by the hundreds, if not by thethousands, because they were
longing.
Some people thought he was theMessiah.
He said no, I'm not the person.
You know, I don't even have theability to untie the sandals of
the person that's coming afterme.
So he was humble, he was bold,but his message was so on point,
and so let's just talk aboutthat.
As a leader, how precise is yourmessage, whatever that message
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is, if you're advertising onsocial media, is it confusing?
Is it right on point?
And do people understand withinliterally five seconds what
you're about?
And do people understand withinliterally five seconds what
you're about?
Or is it confusing, you know?
Is it something like oh well,you know, your mission statement
is like two paragraphs long.
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Your employees don't even knowhow to recite it.
Or is it?
You know your mission statement?
Eight words and everybodyunderstands it.
Everybody knows what it is, andthat is such an important
leadership principle.
I mean, you deal with that inyour leadership conferences?
Speaker 1 (39:03):
all the time we talk about it.
Everybody knows what it is andthat is such an important
leadership principle.
I mean, you deal with that inyour leadership conferences all
the time we talk about it andwe've mentioned many times here
is we'll go into a class or aconference and I'll have 50, 100
people in a room.
I ask them if they even knowtheir mission statement?
No-transcript, what's that?
Speaker 2 (39:29):
you know.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
So how do you know, when you wake up and you go to
work, that you're working forthe same direction, that the ceo
, that the management, that thiscompany needs to go?
I don't know.
I don't know, I go well yeah,I'm there for a paycheck, yeah
because, yeah, it's exactlyright, and that's one of the
things that leaders need tofigure out is how to express
where the ship's going, how toget everybody and to define that
(39:51):
message where everybody's onthe same page.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yeah, yeah.
So that's chapter three, andthen we get into chapter four.
So at the end of chapter 3,jesus is baptized by John the
Baptist, immediately goes outinto the wilderness where he's
tempted for 40 days, right, buthe never loses focus on his
mission.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Let me ask you a question, because I mean we had
Moses was 40 years and then wegot Jesus is 40 days.
Do we have symbolism in the 40?
Oh yeah, there's 40.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
It means almost like complete.
There's a lot If you go andactually look at.
I mean it rained 40 days and 40nights like a symbolic thing.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
No, everything's 40.
It's 40,.
You know, I just didn't know ifthey looked at that like the
word complete or if that waslike there was some special
meaning into that.
You know, I just that had mythought process and I was like
I'm going to ask Posey.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Well, we don't have time in this podcast to go into
that, because there is a specialmeaning, but, like when you
know people before, like Jesuswas crucified and they slashed
him and beat him with a whip,there would be normally 40
lashes less one.
Okay, so it was 39 lashes.
(41:15):
Symbolism of 40 goes throughoutthe entire Bible, meaning
complete or sometime.
I mean it's very specific 40days, 40 years, this 40, this 40
, very important number, and sois number seven.
It's a divine number, completenumber, and so, anyway, so Jesus
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lives in the world, thewilderness, 40 days.
And here's the thing he wastempted to turn over his
authority to Satan and he stayedfast on his focus.
He countered the temptationswith the Word of God.
And here's the thing Allleaders face temptation, whether
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that is to cheat on your taxes,whether that is to make your
product less quality so you canmake more profit, whether it is
to get personally involved withsomeone in your office, you're
going to be tempted.
And the question is not are yougoing to be tempted?
Everybody's going to be tempted.
The question is how do youhandle that?
Do you rely upon your own powerto do that?
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Do you rely upon your wisdom?
Jesus relied upon the Word ofGod, and so the question is when
those temptations come, how areyou going to respond to them?
What is your armor, what isyour arsenal to counter those
temptations?
And I'm saying if, you're not aprayer person.
That would be a great way to usethat Other people support group
(42:47):
, those kind of things would be.
But it's going to happen andyou've got to know before it
happens how are you going tocounter them when it happens.
And I'm sure as a contractoryou've dealt with, you know not
just your subs but yourself waslike, well, I could cut this
short, but no, I'm not tempted.
A contractor you've dealt withyou know not just your subs but
yourself.
It's like, well, I could cutthis short, but no, I'm not
tempted to do that becausethey're counting on a good
product you know when building ahouse Right, Exactly right.
(43:11):
Yeah, all right.
So temptation is part of it andyou know that's all the time we
have today.
But here we go.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Where did we get through Three.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
I think we got through four chapters.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Did we technically get through the fourth one?
Yeah, we did.
We touched on it.
Yeah, we touched a little biton the temptation of Jesus.
We'll overlap it the next way,fair enough.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
So the son was talking to his dad.
His son was hungry, you know,as most sons are, and he says,
dad, can I eat the cake in thefridge?
And?
And his dad said, sure, but thedining room would probably be a
better place to eat it that badhuh, wow.
(43:51):
I was reaching for the buttonthe entire time.
Yeah, yeah, you should havestopped me.
You should have stopped me.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
You should have stopped me.
I was like all right, there wego All right, one more, and
we'll get these people out ofhere.
You got one more on you, right?
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Okay, I've got, I don't have, just one more.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
I've got like 400 more.
We'll let these people go afterone more.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
So we normally have our podcasts come out on
Tuesdays.
Yes, so Saturday and Sunday arethe strongest days, because the
other ones are weekdays.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
All right.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Did I win the lottery or what I'm?
Speaker 1 (44:43):
just doing it because .
Speaker 2 (44:44):
It's the end of the show and everybody's excited
Like, oh my gosh, I didn't thinkthis would ever end.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
All good.
Hopefully we didn't blow yourdrums out with the air horn.
Alright, guys, thank you forlistening to us today.
Thank you for being on thisjourney with us, especially as
we tackle into the new Testamentnext week.
We got yeah four or five tofour or five coming up to you
(45:12):
know maybe five through eight.
We'll see where we make it by.
Guys Depends on how talking totalking we are next week.
So other than that guys checkus out biblical leadership
showcom, and other than that DrP take us out and make it a
great day, thank you.
Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Hey Tim.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Dr Posey, how are you doing today?
I'm doing fantastic today.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
How are you doing?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Well, you know we're hanging in here.
This is a fun day.
This is like a milestone, thisis like a turning point for our
year.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yes, it is.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
How exciting is that.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
That is so exciting.
We finished the Old Testamentlast week.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
If we would have been good, we would have took our
hiatus, our little break at theend of the Old Testament.
It would have smoothed outright there.
But you know, we've been backin the studio a couple weeks now
, so we're excited to be back.
We're getting back in the swingof things over here.
Yes, and we're starting the NewTestament and, yeah, it's pretty
exciting, A little bitdifferent tone.
(01:20):
You know, in the New Testament,you know, and we're going to
get the dad jokes I see him overthere, Jones, and for some dad
jokes.
But let's let's give people.
Tell us a little bit about thefeel I mean cause you know
people always talk to.
They have problems with some ofthe Old Testament writings and
stuff and compared to the NewTestament.
Do you have any comments on anyof that?
I know you give advice how tosort of navigate the Bible,
(01:42):
sometimes as far as if theywanted to read it in 90 days or
a year or whatever it might be.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yes, and so, first of all, it's one book, a bunch of
different authors right,sixty-six books, but a bunch of
different authors over thousandsof years of time.
But there's one themethroughout the entire book, and
that is God loves us, period.
(02:09):
Okay, and if there was, assomeone said, hey, if God had a
refrigerator, your picture wouldbe on it.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
And God's number one item every day is humankind.
I mean, that's the number oneagenda.
You know, taking care of theworld, you know making flowers
bloom and all this stuff.
Yes, that's all important, butthat is nothing compared to how
much he loves you and me.
And so that's from the verybeginning, from the first page
(02:39):
to the end.
It's a consistent message, andthe thing that we see beginning
in the New Testament more thanthe Old Testament, is that God
loved us so much that heactually came down as a person
and His Son, jesus Christ, wasfully God, fully human, and
(03:02):
showed.
He didn't just tell us, heshowed us that he loved us
through His teaching, throughHis death on the cross, his
resurrection.
And so let's just start therewith a leadership principle.
You know this goes back toalmost from the very beginning.
Our very first podcast goesback to almost from the very
beginning, our very firstpodcast when we're talking about
(03:27):
do you walk your talk?
And so that is so true as webegin the New Testament.
Now, some people might notrealize when they're reading the
Bible.
After the last book of the OldTestament, the book of Malachi,
to the New Testament, there'sabout a 400-year break.
(03:49):
Okay, we don't necessarily getthat if we're just reading the
Bible.
But if we look at the historyand when most scholars think
that the last books of the NewTestament were written, there's
about a 400-year break betweenthe Malachi and or the last of
the prophets and the NewTestament.
And so you know, a lot ofthings can happen in 400 years.
(04:13):
But there was still anexpectation of the Messiah
coming.
And if we read Jewish history,between those 400 years there
was a lot of things going on.
You had Alexander the Great andthen you had the Romans take
over, then you had the MaccabeanRevolt.
There's just a lot of thingsgoing on over that part of the
(04:48):
world.
And in the Old Testament, withthe rules, leviticus,
deuteronomy, those kind ofthings.
But if you read it from thefilter of, okay, what does this
story tell me about God's lovefor me?
And then if you read that, youmight not see it on every
(05:09):
chapter, every page, but theoverarching theme, that is the
theme and it becomes real,dominant in beginning in the New
Testament.
So that's kind of where we areand, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
No, I was going to ask you because I mean, we'll
probably have a lot of peoplethat are starting at the New
Testament you know, They'llprobably start listening to the
show and I know that you'vementioned minor versus major
prophets and maybe how does thattie into this?
A lot of people don't know,haven't listened to some of our
Old Testament show.
How does that transition intoNew Testament?
(05:46):
Sort of a similar thing.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Well, yes and no, but the difference between the
major and minor prophets is thelength of their work, it's not
the importance of their message.
And so you have Isaiah Jeremiah, isaiah Jeremiah, you know,
those are the Ezekiel.
Those are long books, you know.
And then you have the book of,you know, malachi four chapters.
(06:12):
And so it's not that Malachi'smessage was less important, it's
just that the length of hiswork was smaller.
So they're called the minorprophets.
So there's four major prophets,12 minor prophets.
(06:35):
But if you look at the messagespecifically of the book of
Isaiah, there's a lot ofprophecy there about the coming
of the Messiah and that God isgoing to redeem his people.
But you've got to know it'sthere and you've got to know
where to look for it.
And so here is Isaiahprophesying hundreds of years
before Christ.
And then we look at the life ofChrist, which we're going to
(06:57):
start getting into here in justa few minutes, and we see that
every one of the prophecies ofthe Old Testament about him
became true.
And it's just if you actuallylook at all the prophecies about
where he was born, in Bethlehem, and he was from the line of
David, and all these things, ifyou start looking at all those,
(07:19):
then it's just phenomenal.
There's not a way it could allbe coincidence that he fulfilled
all those prophecies, and thoseare written hundreds of years,
and so that is one of the waysto tie the Old Testament with
the New Testament.
Now, if you just read the Bible,if you've never read the Bible
before, I encourage you to startwith the New Testament.
(07:40):
You might read maybe onechapter of the Old Testament.
We encourage you to listen toour podcast during the Old
Testament.
You might read maybe onechapter of the Old Testament.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
We encourage you to listen to our podcast during the
.
Old Testament.
Read the New Testament, then goback and read the Old Testament
.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yes and then because the Old Testament you know it's
a lot longer than the NewTestament, obviously and you can
get bogged down Now.
Genesis and Exodus justphenomenal history.
And the creation story, youknow, the people of Israel going
down to Egypt becoming slaves,coming out of Egypt, you know,
(08:16):
with Moses, they're justphenomenal history.
And then you read Leviticus,you know Deuteronomy and Numbers
, and then you get into the bookof Joshua, which is more
history and just some phenomenalleadership principles there.
But they're all leading to whatwe're beginning today and that
is the New Testament and God'sredemptive plan for all
(08:40):
humankind.
And so I'm excited that we'renot just finished, but I'm
excited about what we're gettingready to start.
And so, as we get into the NewTestament, it's important to
understand one word that or aphrase that's often used when
(09:00):
describing the first four booksof the New Testament.
So you have Matthew, mark, lukeand John.
Those are called the Gospels,and the word gospel means good
news, and so many times you willhear people talk about the
Gospels.
Well, they're talking aboutthose first four books.
Like the Jewish people wouldtalk about the Pentateuch that
(09:21):
was the first five books of theOld Testament or the Torah.
So there's certain words that'simportant to understand.
What does that actually mean?
So if you look at the Gospels,that's the first four books.
Now, in those first four books,you have what you call the
Synoptic Gospels synopticmeaning similar and so you have
Matthew, mark and Luke.
(09:42):
Now, many of the stories aresimilar and it depends on what
biblical scholar you talk to.
It's like okay, most scholarsbelieve that Mark was the first
one written and then Matthew andLuke used Mark as a source to
write their own version or addto it.
What's incredible about Matthew?
(10:04):
He was one of the disciples.
Mark Most scholars believe thatMark was written, and we'll get
to Mark here in a couple ofweeks.
Mark was written by a man bythe name of John Mark, who we
read about in the book of Acts,but it was really the preaching
of Peter, and Mark was like ascribe and he wrote it down
(10:25):
Peter's preaching, and thatbecame the book of Mark.
Interesting thing about Lukewas that Luke was a Gentile
physician who became a Christianunder the teaching of Paul.
We read about that in the NewTestament book of Acts, and so
he was not a first generation,you know, one of the 12
(10:48):
disciples of Jesus, and so hisstory has so much power in it?
Because he was not.
He didn't grow up a Christian,he didn't grow up in Israel, he
didn't grow up Jewish, and yethe became a Christian and his
writing is.
It is my favorite book in thewhole Bible.
(11:10):
But we have the birth story ofJesus from the book of Luke, we
have the story of the wise menfrom the book of Matthew.
So when you're reading the Bible, many times you can't just look
at one chapter, one book.
You have to look at all of itand put it all together like
pieces of a puzzle.
And when you do that you getthe big picture of what God is
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doing, that he prioritizeshumankind, that he loves us,
right where we are, just the waywe are, and he sent His Son to
redeem us from our sin becausehe wants us to live with Him in
heaven forever.
So we see that.
And when we start reading theBible with that filter, then we
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begin to see things that wemaybe hadn't seen before.
And if we read the OldTestament from the filter of oh,
what does this tell me aboutJesus?
What is the prophecy?
Sometimes there isn't aprophecy, but many times there
are, if you know where to look,and so it's exciting to begin
this new chapter in our podcastjourney, you know we've been
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doing this now, oh gosh, a yearand a half.
Yeah, a little bit yeah and sonow we're here and it's exciting
a new chapter.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
That's awesome exciting.
Yeah, very exciting.
Yeah, and I noticed that whenwe go through and you read these
, I think what you said you haveto sort of pull from each of
the stories Because if you readthem a lot of them they seem
like they overlap.
They're restating some of thesame information, but there's
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little details that come outthrough everybody's eyes.
Looking at a situation just alittle bit different, yes,
exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
It's like if you went to a birthday party and then
you asked five people to writetheir experience.
They'd all be talking about thesame thing, but they would put
their own slant on it because oftheir background, their point
of view in the room, whatever.
And so that's what we see inthe first four books.
(13:17):
Okay, the other thing about ittalking about Luke and we'll get
into Luke here in a coupleweeks is that Luke didn't just
write the book of Luke, he alsowrote the book of Acts, and so
we read about Paul finding Lukeon one of his missionary's
journeys.
He became a follower of Paul, adisciple of Paul, followed him
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around, and if it hadn't beenfor that experience and we'll
get to that when we get to thebook of Acts then we wouldn't
have the book of Luke and wewouldn't have the book of Acts.
And the book of Acts basicallyis the story of the early church
, the first couple of decadesafter Jesus' death, and so such
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an amazing compilation of whatGod did to bring the story of
redemptive history into print,and then, over time, that story
has just impacted billions ofpeople's lives.
(14:23):
Still, the number one sellingbook in the world is the Bible.
There's all these New YorkTimes bestseller whatever.
The Bible is still the numberone selling book in the world
and has been for years and yearsand years.
And so if you want to read thebestselling book, it might not
be on the New York Timesbestselling list, but the
bestselling book of all time isthe Bible.
(14:45):
And I was just talking to ayoung man 33 years old.
He just became a Christian herejust a few weeks ago.
I had the privilege ofbaptizing him about a month ago
and I said, okay, he wanted tobuy a Bible.
I said, okay, you go to thestore.
If you have any questions, giveme a call.
But here's the thing you go tothe store where they sell a
(15:06):
bunch of Bibles and you justtake this just like five or six
different versions.
You have the NIV version, youhave NSRV, you have the King
James version, new King's,there's the New American
Standard.
There's so many differentversions.
They use different language.
I mean, they use different,maybe, words, but they're still
(15:28):
trying to translate it from theoriginal Greek and Hebrew.
Okay.
So I said just sit down, takeabout 30 minutes to an hour, sit
down with five or six differentones, read the exact same
passage from all these differentones, like turn to Matthew 1,
turn to John 1, whatever.
Just read the exact same storyfrom all these different
(15:48):
versions and then whatever oneyou feel like is your speaks to
you the most, it's easier toread.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Yeah which one resonates by that one.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Okay, I said because, like the King James Version of
the Bible, which is still thenumber one seller, is written in
like a 12th grade reading level.
Niv is like in a 9th gradereading level.
So it depends on what fits yourpersonality, what fits your
desire.
That's the Bible you shouldread and you might read.
(16:17):
I read the NIV.
I've read the NIV for years andyears and years.
I preached from that for years.
I've used the NRSV, the NewRevised Standard Version, for a
while.
But that's just me.
I just I'm comfortable withthat.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Other people are.
I'm old school King James here.
King James, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah, I'm old school, yeah, new King James.
King James, they did a greatjob of that and I should say
find a Bible.
It could be the living Bible,it could be the message.
I mean, whatever works for you,just find something that works
for you and begin to read it.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Right, that's great.
Well, you know, just to let youknow, I think we might get a
few new listeners here becauseyou know it's one of those
things when people search fordifferent things, they're
looking at that and they'regoing to see that we're getting
into the New Testament.
There's a lot, a bit morepopularity with New Testament.
We might get some new listeners.
So, if you're a first-timelistener to our show, what our
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show is is basically we take theBible we go through this year.
We're going through a seriesthis year maybe a little over a
year, depending on how we breakit up where we talk about the
Bible.
We sort of do a recap on ahigh-level overview of each of
the chapters of the Bible andthen we tie in some leadership
(17:35):
principles and how you can usethem in everyday life.
And then we throw in some dadjokes and people always ask us
love the show, what's up withthe dad jokes?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yes, exactly right.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Well, when Dr Posey and I sit down, when we were
constructing this, we bothfigured out that we liked dad
jokes and we had a lot of funwith it and we decided if we're
going to sit down and dopodcasts for years, we're going
to make this fun.
We don't want to be too serious.
Dr Posey's been a minister for40-plus years.
(18:07):
He's done the serious.
He's got a very light-heartedside to him.
I'm sort of a jokester.
I get that from my son.
He's one.
No, I'm just kidding.
We like to have fun, so wethrow dad jokes in there and so
you're going to hear dad jokesrandomly through there.
You're going to get a lot ofleadership principles that you
can walk out and use in everydaylife and then you're going to
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get a recap of some of thehighlights of the Bible, sort of
maybe get you interested.
You know, going down a path ofwherever that may take you.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yes, exactly right.
So, considering you just talkedabout dad jokes, and just a few
weeks ago when he had theIndianapolis 500, which is just
an incredible race, you know.
So what do parents feed theirinfant child if they want them
to grow up and be a race cardriver?
Cheery goes, that'd be good,nah Tried.
(19:06):
How about Formula One?
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Oh, nice, I like that one Formula One.
I would actually give that onesome applause.
Yeah, yeah, I like that oneFormula One.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
I would actually give that one some applause there,
yeah yeah, okay, before we moveon, just tell me a joke about a
flat tire, no pressure.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Let's see, I don't know about that one.
I'll give you one more.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Some of these jokes are groaners and some of them
are sleepers.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Just don't turn about that one.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, so some of these jokes are groaners and
some of them are sleepers.
And just don't turn off thepodcast, okay.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
You got to have a combination of knock it out of
the park and then the groaners,because that's the groaners what
makes some of the dad jokes fun.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Okay, so who do you call?
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Ghostbusters yeah, here we go.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
So you know we're in Texas.
It's the beginning of thesummer, it's hot Mosquito season
.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
If you want to get rid of your mosquito infestation
.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
who do you call Ghostbusters?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Mosquito busters, the SWAT team.
There you go, the SWAT team.
All right.
Yeah, so we do have people thatlisten in a lot of different
countries.
But I want to say that we arebased out of here, out of Dallas
, texas, in that surroundingarea down here.
So if you always wonder wherethe show is, we're all that and
you can get on our website.
(20:26):
You can check out these and allthe spots that you listen to,
some of the podcasts.
That's probably where you'refinding us.
You can text us, you can textus, you can email us, so there's
a lot of ways to get hold of us.
Just so you know.
And other than that, you gotone more dad joke you ready.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Yeah, so you know, the old-fashioned carousel, the
old-fashioned carousel.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah, yeah, I love it .
There's one up in Massachusettswe ride all the time.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Oh, that's great.
I had a friend that fainted onone of those, yeah, but he's
okay.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
He's coming back around.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
And around, and around and around.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yeah, all right.
Okay, let's get after it.
So I thought of something, butthat's all right, I'm going to
leave it until later, leave ituntil later.
We've tortured him enough.
Leave it till later.
Leave it till later.
We've tortured him enough, youknow.
So, as we talked about this,we're going to do we talked
about it last week, I do believewhere we're going to break down
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some of the longer chapters,some of the messages.
So, as we go through this NewTestament, you might see us pick
up some you know, a half of achapter and then finish another
half chapter next week, andthat's sort of what we're
looking for here in the nextcouple of weeks, right?
So, matthew, we're going tostart with this week, right?
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Right, we're starting with Matthew.
Matthew is 28 chapters long, sowe're going to do chapter 1
through 14 today.
Next week, we'll do chapter 15through 28.
The following week, the book ofMark is only 16 chapters and
so—I said only 16 chapters, butit's 16 chapters, so we'll do
all of that.
Luke is 24 chapters, so we'lldo 12 chapters one week and 12
(22:02):
the next.
The book of John 21, 22chapters, and so we'll break
that down.
So the book of Acts is 28chapters.
So specifically in the firstbeginning of the New Testament,
there's so much material.
Now there's some common themesin the synoptic gospels and then
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the four gospels together, andthat is on servant leadership,
because that's what Jesus wasall about, and so that is such a
powerful leadership conceptthat too few leaders practice
today, but it has so manyimplications for excellent
(22:45):
leadership loyalty of yourpeople, role modeling of your
next generation, your successionplan.
There's so many things that wecan talk about with servant
leadership.
So we're going to be using thatphrase a lot.
We're going to talk about whatthat means, why it's important
(23:06):
and where that's found in theScripture, and so if you've
never heard of that term, juststick with us and we will get
after it.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Right, yeah.
So where is the book of Matthew?
It's sort of to overview.
This talks about Jesus showingup right, right.
Is that sort of the?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, and so what's interesting?
At the very beginning of thebook of Matthew you read about
the genealogy of Jesus.
Okay, now what's interesting isthe very first chapter is the
genealogy of Jesus, and in thatparticular genealogy we find
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some people that if we read theOld Testament we would read all
about them, some people that ifwe read the Old Testament we
would read all about them.
But there's also four womenmentioned, three by name, but
also David's.
Mistress Bathsheba is mentionedas the wife of Uriah.
Her name is not mentioned,which is interesting, but women,
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unfortunately back then werenot thought of very highly.
Okay, which is tragic, butthat's the way it was.
And but yet you see these fourwomen in the genealogy of Jesus.
And then there's some.
You have some really good kings, some very bad kings.
It starts out with Abraham,goes all the way down to Joseph
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and it goes down.
Genealogy was very important.
So let's just talk about thechapter one before we get to the
visit of the wise men.
Let's just talk about chapterone Record-keeping and
administration.
Okay, Right.
The Jewish people are phenomenalrecord-keepers.
I mean phenomenalrecord-keepers.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
They have to be.
I mean, it was, yes, you readsome of the genealogies and I
mean there's yes, they keepgoing and going and going and
going and going.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
And back then, by the time you were 12, you had
memorized so much of the OldTestament.
So they still are exceptionallywell doing that.
But here, in the first chapterof Matthew, we read the
genealogy.
And so here's the question asfar as leadership, how good a
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record keeper are you?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Are you keeping track of your?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
expenses.
Are you struggling every timeyou have to turn in your tax
returns?
Do you have somebody doing that?
If you're not good at keepingrecords, okay, you're not the
detail person.
You need to find someone who isthe detail person to keep your
records, because that's justgood leadership.
Now you might have started outas a single like you, a single
(25:48):
contractor.
You're doing everything.
You know you might be a plumber, you might be an electrician,
you might hang wallboard,whatever it may be, lay tile,
you know you might cut grass,whatever you do.
But if you're not a good recordkeeper, then you're going to
get in trouble.
And so the question is how areyou handling your records Right?
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And then here's the other thingthe women in chapter 1, they
were not thought of very highly.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
And yet there's four of them in the genealogy of
Jesus that are listed.
Now, obviously, there had to bea woman involved in every
generation, but there's fourlisted and so think about this
they were seen as such animportant part of the genealogy
of Jesus.
They're listed in the genealogyin Matthew, chapter one, which
tells me, as far as leadershipprinciple, that every person is
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important.
Every person is important.
And so the question I'd have asfar as leadership do you treat
everybody in your organizationas important, as an important
piece of the puzzle, or do youtreat other people less
important than others?
And that is such a valuableleadership tool.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, and that's sort of what I got out of my show
prep is I had the similar thingGod uses imperfect people to you
know.
So, as you as a leader, yourleaders don't have to be perfect
.
Your people working for youdon't have to be perfect.
We all bring something to thetable.
And then the second thing thatI got out of Jesus' genealogy
that tied into leadership wasthat legacy matters.
(27:27):
You're only building for thenext generation, whether it be
whatever your company does,whether it be you as a father,
it's a constant build on everyyear.
So that legacy's there, thatgenealogy.
You've got to think in the past, not what you're going to
accomplish here, but what'sgoing to accomplish four
generations from now and keepingthat leadership going in some
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of your genealogies and some ofyour downlines right.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Correct, and so here's just a personal story.
When I was growing up, my dadwas a phenomenal baseball coach.
My older brother really goodfirst baseman.
My younger brother incrediblecatcher.
Me not so good at baseball atall.
I wanted to be but, I playedbaseball until I got hit in the
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face with the ball and broke mynose.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
I've been there, done that.
Yeah, then I quit.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
But here's the thing I played on the team but I
didn't have a coach who taughtme how to play ball.
Okay, they would send me outthere and I made so many
mistakes, okay, but I never hada person that really said this
is how you field a ground ball.
This is how you throw theground ball.
This is how you throw it moreaccurately.
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This is how you do this, thisis how you bat.
You were just supposed to getup there and do it and I had no
training on how to do it and Iwas horrible at doing it and so,
because I wasn't that good, Ididn't.
I wanted to be good, but I justdidn't have any training.
So my question is for you whoare leaders how much time are
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you spending training yourpeople to do what you ask them
to do?
Do you just give them a taskand then just assume they know
how to do it?
Not that you have tomicromanage.
Jesus was not a micromanager.
Okay, he trained his people andthen he sent them out, but he
sure he was encouraging, but hetrained his people and so he
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trained them by them watchinghow he did it, and so he would
go and pray for somebody.
He'd heal somebody, then hewould send them out to heal, but
they had watched him do it.
And so the question for leadersis how much time do we spend
training our people?
How much time do we say youknow what?
That's not exactly how I wantthat done.
(29:46):
Let me show you how I want thatdone.
Now, let's be blunt.
Sometimes people just don'twant to learn, they just can't
do it or they don't want to doit.
You teach them certain ways andthey still do it because they
just feel like it's notimportant.
Well, you know, sometimes I'vehad to let people go because,
(30:06):
you know, you say no, I wantthis done this way, I want it
this way, this is why I want itdone this way.
And they just refuse to do itover time.
And it's like you know what Ineed somebody who will actually
do it, which is good for theorganization, not just because
that's the way you want to do it, but that's to me a perfect
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leadership principle from here,from the very beginning of
Matthew chapter.
You know one and two.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Right, I got it, that's good.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
And then we go on to the wise men.
Okay, so we have the genealogyof Jesus, then we have the birth
of Jesus and then we have thevisitation of the wise men.
Now you might not know I meanyou might have seen a manger
scene at Christmas time orsomething like that and you see
the three wise men and they camefrom the east and they brought,
you know, they saw a star, andthey came to Jesus there in
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Bethlehem.
They presented Him the gifts ofgold, frankincense and myrrh.
But they first went toJerusalem and then they talked
to the king, said hey, you know,we've been looking for this
baby.
He was born king of the Jews.
And Herod says well, go find himand then come back and tell me.
Well, then we read that in adream.
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They said no, don't go back theway you came, go back a
different way.
And so the I have a plaque onthe wall in my home office,
right above my desk, that I lookat at least once or twice a day
(31:38):
.
It says never confuse the willof the majority with the will of
God.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Right.
And so here is the wise men,and the king wanted them to come
back, and they thought, no,that's not good.
And so the question is as aleader, we have to make tough
decisions sometimes really toughdecisions, and it could be a
(32:05):
matter of quality over quantity,it could be a matter of bottom
line, it could be this, could bethat.
But the question is who are welistening to in order to make
those decisions?
Are we trying to make them byourselves?
Are we praying about it?
Order to make those decisions,are we trying to make them by
ourselves?
Are we praying about it?
Are we getting our top leaderstogether and helping them think
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through?
The answer before a decision isreached and that's just good
leadership is to get some inputbefore a major decision is
reached.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Yeah, my show, matthew too.
I sort of looked at the wiseleaders and sort of my principle
I got out of that is, you knowthey were listening to divine
direction, right.
But I mean, when you have a gutfeeling, when you have whatever
you want to call it, a lot oftimes that is divine direction,
right, it's internal, it's thatgut feeling, it's leading you
(33:01):
down a path.
You have some kind of callingdown there and sometimes it's
risky.
I mean, this was pretty toughfor some wise leaders to step up
and avoid.
They did a whole bunch of stufflike protecting Christ and the
legacy and all that.
And I think there's a lot oftimes that leaders and all that.
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And I think there's a lot oftimes that leaders they go down
a path even though it's risky,they challenge.
I know people mortgage theirhouse to start a business.
They're called Think of Noah.
You wrote a book a long timeago.
It started out this podcastwhere he had to build this ark,
right.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
And that was the whole thing.
Well, just think about this wedon't know exactly where these
wise men came from.
Okay, many people think it wasBabylon.
Okay, it's somewhere in theeast.
Okay, they see a star They'vebeen thinking about.
They had to be reading theprophecies of the Old Testament,
which we had talked about.
They knew there was going to bea star.
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They see the star and then theyhead out on a journey.
They didn't know if that wasgoing to be true or not.
They risk everything for thatdream.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
And you know, I just applaud those entrepreneurs that
are willing to risk so much tofulfill a dream.
Yeah, sometimes they fall flaton their face you know, but at
least they try to do somethingthat their whole heart, their
whole life.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
And a lot of times they regroup and do it again yes
, exactly right.
And they rebuild.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
They rebuild, and so you know.
So the question is, as a leader, how much risk are we willing
to take?
You know, whether that's a newproduct line, whether that's
changing buildings, locations,reformatting our image on social
media, whatever it is, are wecomfortable with what is, or are
we willing to step out and takea little risk?
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And that's a really goodquestion.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Yeah, just so you know, we're not going to make it
to chapter 14, right, we're onchapter two Because it's our
show.
We do whatever we want, but wecan catch it.
Next week We'll do a couplemore because I know we're
running on time.
I don't want to make this like12 hours long on a podcast.
So we'll go through maybechapter four, have that sound a
little bit better and see whatwe can do, and then is that a
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good stopping point.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yeah, because in chapter five we start with a
sermon on the mount right, solet's just go through chapter
four, and then we'll just keepgoing.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Because I mean I want to cut you short, where you
don't have any dad jokes goingon at the end of this and we
have to cut you off immediatelybecause that would make Dr Posey
, I've got so many dad jokes.
And if you're a first timelistener of our show and stuff,
you got to understand Dr Poseyhas like 300 dad jokes.
He's got dad jokes emergencydad jokes in a box.
He's got some calendar dadjokes.
(35:45):
He's got printout dad jokes.
He's got book dad jokes.
He's got all kinds of dad jokes.
So when we say we're set up fordad jokes we are good that we
are good.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
That's part of show prep that is part of show prep
and that's great, so let's gointo Matthew 3 while we're
talking okay, and here we have,coming on the scene a man by the
name of John the Baptist.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
So John the Baptist's role, if we read the book of
Luke, which we will get to here,in a couple of weeks, maybe
months.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
I don't know where we're going.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Right, it's a year and a half of leadership, and so
we see that John the Baptistand Jesus were related and John
the Baptist's mother becamepregnant in her old age.
Jesus' mother, mary, waspregnant in her young age and
John the Baptist was born likesix months before Jesus.
(36:38):
But then John the Baptist grewup, he had incredible parents
and then he felt called by Godand his job was to prepare the
way for Jesus.
Okay, so he baptized, calledpeople to repent, but here's the
thing boldness was just in hisDNA.
(36:58):
Okay, he was so bold aboutsharing his message.
And so you know, as far asleadership, I don't know if we
would put John the Baptist asone of the great leaders of the
Bible, but I think he was one ofthe most bold people in that
time, just because he was doingsomething that no one else had
(37:21):
done.
His job from God was to preparethe way for Jesus and he was
bold about it.
He was not obnoxious unless youwere a religious leader and
they were trying to cut him downand eventually he got beheaded,
you know, gave his life for hiscause.
But his boldness, his message,was very focused and he did his
(37:45):
job.
And so the question of is, asfar as leaders, we can be bold
without being obnoxious, okay,but is our message concise and
to the point?
So people understood John theBaptist's message repent.
I mean, it was basically oneword, and the people came to him
(38:06):
by the hundreds, if not by thethousands, because they were
longing.
Some people thought he was theMessiah.
He said no, I'm not the person.
You know, I don't even have theability to untie the sandals of
the person that's coming afterme.
So he was humble, he was bold,but his message was so on point,
and so let's just talk aboutthat.
As a leader, how precise is yourmessage, whatever that message
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is, if you're advertising onsocial media, is it confusing?
Is it right on point?
And do people understand withinliterally five seconds what
you're about?
And do people understand withinliterally five seconds what
you're about?
Or is it confusing, you know?
Is it something like oh well,you know, your mission statement
is like two paragraphs long.
(38:49):
Your employees don't even knowhow to recite it.
Or is it?
You know your mission statement?
Eight words and everybodyunderstands it.
Everybody knows what it is, andthat is such an important
leadership principle.
I mean, you deal with that inyour leadership conferences?
Speaker 1 (39:03):
all the time we talk about it.
Everybody knows what it is andthat is such an important
leadership principle.
I mean, you deal with that inyour leadership conferences all
the time we talk about it andwe've mentioned many times here
is we'll go into a class or aconference and I'll have 50, 100
people in a room.
I ask them if they even knowtheir mission statement?
No-transcript, what's that?
Speaker 2 (39:29):
you know.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
So how do you know, when you wake up and you go to
work, that you're working forthe same direction, that the ceo
, that the management, that thiscompany needs to go?
I don't know.
I don't know, I go well yeah,I'm there for a paycheck, yeah
because, yeah, it's exactlyright, and that's one of the
things that leaders need tofigure out is how to express
where the ship's going, how toget everybody and to define that
(39:51):
message where everybody's onthe same page.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yeah, yeah.
So that's chapter three, andthen we get into chapter four.
So at the end of chapter 3,jesus is baptized by John the
Baptist, immediately goes outinto the wilderness where he's
tempted for 40 days, right, buthe never loses focus on his
mission.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Let me ask you a question, because I mean we had
Moses was 40 years and then wegot Jesus is 40 days.
Do we have symbolism in the 40?
Oh yeah, there's 40.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
It means almost like complete.
There's a lot If you go andactually look at.
I mean it rained 40 days and 40nights like a symbolic thing.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
No, everything's 40.
It's 40,.
You know, I just didn't know ifthey looked at that like the
word complete or if that waslike there was some special
meaning into that.
You know, I just that had mythought process and I was like
I'm going to ask Posey.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Well, we don't have time in this podcast to go into
that, because there is a specialmeaning, but, like when you
know people before, like Jesuswas crucified and they slashed
him and beat him with a whip,there would be normally 40
lashes less one.
Okay, so it was 39 lashes.
(41:15):
Symbolism of 40 goes throughoutthe entire Bible, meaning
complete or sometime.
I mean it's very specific 40days, 40 years, this 40, this 40
, very important number, and sois number seven.
It's a divine number, completenumber, and so, anyway, so Jesus
(41:40):
lives in the world, thewilderness, 40 days.
And here's the thing he wastempted to turn over his
authority to Satan and he stayedfast on his focus.
He countered the temptationswith the Word of God.
And here's the thing Allleaders face temptation, whether
(42:01):
that is to cheat on your taxes,whether that is to make your
product less quality so you canmake more profit, whether it is
to get personally involved withsomeone in your office, you're
going to be tempted.
And the question is not are yougoing to be tempted?
Everybody's going to be tempted.
The question is how do youhandle that?
Do you rely upon your own powerto do that?
(42:23):
Do you rely upon your wisdom?
Jesus relied upon the Word ofGod, and so the question is when
those temptations come, how areyou going to respond to them?
What is your armor, what isyour arsenal to counter those
temptations?
And I'm saying if, you're not aprayer person.
That would be a great way to usethat Other people support group
(42:47):
, those kind of things would be.
But it's going to happen andyou've got to know before it
happens how are you going tocounter them when it happens.
And I'm sure as a contractoryou've dealt with, you know not
just your subs but yourself waslike, well, I could cut this
short, but no, I'm not tempted.
A contractor you've dealt withyou know not just your subs but
yourself.
It's like, well, I could cutthis short, but no, I'm not
tempted to do that becausethey're counting on a good
product you know when building ahouse Right, Exactly right.
(43:11):
Yeah, all right.
So temptation is part of it andyou know that's all the time we
have today.
But here we go.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Where did we get through Three.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
I think we got through four chapters.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Did we technically get through the fourth one?
Yeah, we did.
We touched on it.
Yeah, we touched a little biton the temptation of Jesus.
We'll overlap it the next way,fair enough.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
So the son was talking to his dad.
His son was hungry, you know,as most sons are, and he says,
dad, can I eat the cake in thefridge?
And?
And his dad said, sure, but thedining room would probably be a
better place to eat it that badhuh, wow.
(43:51):
I was reaching for the buttonthe entire time.
Yeah, yeah, you should havestopped me.
You should have stopped me.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
You should have stopped me.
I was like all right, there wego All right, one more, and
we'll get these people out ofhere.
You got one more on you, right?
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Okay, I've got, I don't have, just one more.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
I've got like 400 more.
We'll let these people go afterone more.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
So we normally have our podcasts come out on
Tuesdays.
Yes, so Saturday and Sunday arethe strongest days, because the
other ones are weekdays.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
All right.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Did I win the lottery or what I'm?
Speaker 1 (44:43):
just doing it because .
Speaker 2 (44:44):
It's the end of the show and everybody's excited
Like, oh my gosh, I didn't thinkthis would ever end.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
All good.
Hopefully we didn't blow yourdrums out with the air horn.
Alright, guys, thank you forlistening to us today.
Thank you for being on thisjourney with us, especially as
we tackle into the new Testamentnext week.
We got yeah four or five tofour or five coming up to you
(45:12):
know maybe five through eight.
We'll see where we make it by.
Guys Depends on how talking totalking we are next week.
So other than that guys checkus out biblical leadership
showcom, and other than that DrP take us out and make it a
great day, thank you.
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