July 15, 2025 • 39 mins
Dr. Posey opens his heart about his personal connection to the Gospel of Luke, sharing how a single verse—"nothing is impossible with God"—transformed his life's trajectory from aspiring physician to ministry leader. This vulnerable moment sets the stage for a fascinating exploration of Luke's unique perspective as both physician and Gentile writer, whose meticulous documentation gives us cherished stories like the Good Samaritan and Prodigal Son that wouldn't exist without him.
The conversation weaves through powerful leadership principles extracted from ancient text yet startlingly relevant to modern organizational challenges. When Joseph faced Mary's unexpected pregnancy, he chose to embrace rather than reject—modeling how exceptional leaders handle team members' mistakes with grace while maintaining accountability. This ties beautifully to the foundational concept that trust builds leadership credibility, summarized in Dr. Posey's axiom: "You have to earn the right to be heard."
Jesus' temptation narrative reveals another crucial insight—that leadership integrity faces constant testing, whether through cutting corners, prioritizing profit over quality, or presenting inauthentic versions of ourselves. The leadership application is profound: our identity as leaders must be firmly rooted in who we truly are rather than constantly trying to prove ourselves to others.
Perhaps most practically, we discover how Jesus built relationships with disciples before assigning them tasks—a sequence many leaders unfortunately reverse. This relationship-first approach creates the foundation for deeper team commitment and investment in shared goals. For today's organizations, this translates to encouraging not just financial contributions to causes but active service and volunteerism that builds team cohesion while making tangible differences in communities.
Have you examined how biblical principles might transform your leadership approach? Whether leading a corporation, small team, or family, these timeless insights offer a framework for leadership that builds trust, maintains integrity, and creates lasting impact beyond yourself.
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Speaker 1 (00:22):
all righty, yeah, uh-huh, yeah, come on, come on,
all righty welcome, welcome,welcome, oh good.
I love to hear that it'sanother exciting, exciting
episode of the BiblicalLeadership Show.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
My name is Mr Tim Lansford, and with me is the
great, the infamous, the awesome, the Jesus is in the room, I
guess there you go.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
There he is.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
He's in the studio today.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Dr Posey, how you doing, tim Wonderful.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Wow, that's fantastic .
Yeah, that is.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
And then we have our Guest host.
Guest host Hi, alisa Lansford.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
All right, okay, so let's just start this off
correctly, okay?
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Did you hear that they arrested?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
We're just going straight in it.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Did you hear?
They arrested the EnergizerBunny.
Have you seen those EnergizerBunny commercials on TV?
They arrested the EnergizerBunny.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
No why?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yes, he was charged with battery.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
He does make lots of batteries.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
We're going straight into the joke.
Well, if you're not familiarwith the show and this is your
first show well don't you know,we talk a little bit about the
bible, we talk a little bitabout leadership and we talk a
lot about dad jokes we shouldhave a dad jokes podcast.
I say one, oh, do you have onereal fast I do okay, well,
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you're not ready to say it I'mready.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I'm ready.
I told you this one before theshow.
So while we're doing our showprep, here we go Are you ready
for your Dr Posey first?
Okay.
So what did the mama cow say tothe baby cow?
I don't know.
It's past your bedtime.
Okay, we're ready.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Okay, a turd walks into a bar and asks Is the
bartender here?
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Because he's going to eat the bar isn't?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
he yeah, that's nice All right.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Well, if you've been hanging out with us for a while,
you should be, and hopefullyyou have been.
We're on a big year-long seriesright now, where we wrapped up
the Old Testament here a littlemonth or so, a month and a half
ago, and we're rolling into theNew Testament now and we're
rolling into the book of Luke.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Today.
Yeah, my favorite book of theBible right there.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Yeah, book of Luke.
And it is and tell me why.
I mean, I'm not, we're going toget into it, all that.
But I mean, why is this yourbig favorite book overall?
And then we'll go deep diveinto it.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Well, my favorite verse in the Bible is Luke 137,
where the angel said to Marynothing is impossible with God.
And that's my favorite verse inthe Bible.
And then years ago, when I wasat Baylor a pre-med student,
chemistry major I was struggling.
I didn't know whether I shouldgo to medical school or not.
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I had wanted to be a doctorsince I was like sixth grade,
and now I'm a sophomore incollege.
I just finished organicchemistry and physics and all
that kind of stuff.
I'm very involved in the church.
So I'm trying to think do Ireally want to do that or not?
And I never really thoughtabout going into ministry as a
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vocation.
Volunteering in the church, yes, but as a vocation.
I didn't think about it until Iwas a sophomore and I was very
involved in the church, and so Istarted praying about it.
And one night I just prayed andI said a sophomore, and I was
very involved in the church.
And so I started praying aboutit.
And one night I just prayed andI said God, I just need your
help.
I don't know what to do, I'mstruggling.
And this was about a six-weekperiod of time of just praying.
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And one night I just opened theBible and I tell people, do not
do this, do not do it.
But I did it, just opened theBible and I tell people, do not
do this, do not do it.
But I did it.
And I opened my Bible and justpointed to Luke 9, 62, which
says he who puts his hand to theplow and looks back is not fit
for the kingdom of God.
So I just felt that God wastelling me that he wanted me to
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plant the seed of the Word ofGod as a lifestyle, as a career,
instead of going to medicalschool.
So I changed my major fromchemistry to religion, graduated
from Baylor with a degree inreligion, minor in chemistry,
went to seminary instead ofmedical school, and so that,
right, there was such a huge,obviously, impact, just changed
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the direction of my life and myfocus and you know.
So that's such a huge part ofthat Plus, in addition, I think
the book of Luke has got someunique characteristics because
Luke was not Jewish and he metPaul, or Paul met him on one of
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the missionary journeys and weactually see beginning in Luke
chapter—well in Acts, he wrotethe book of Acts, 2 in Acts,
chapter 16, and we'll get moreinto this in a couple weeks when
we talk about the book of Acts.
But we actually see what'scalled the we passages in the
book of Acts where Luke refersto it as the first person plural
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like we did this or we did.
He's not just talking aboutPaul did this or they did that.
He's talking about his ownexperience.
So here was a person who didn'tgrow up as one of Jesus'
disciples.
He became a disciple of Jesus,do Paul's ministry, and yet he
is traveling with Paul and he'swriting from firsthand
experience.
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And he was a physician.
He was a brilliant man,incredible writer.
Without him we wouldn't havethe story of Jesus' birth in
Luke, chapter 2.
We wouldn't have stories likethe Good Samaritan or the
Prodigal Son, and so there'sjust so much rich history in
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Luke and the foundation of thatand it's just incredible.
It's just an incredible bookand influenced my life a lot.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
So that's one reason you know, and then going to
college I understand a lot moreabout your sermons now.
So when you were given sermons,you always had great chemistry
when you were on stage yeah,whoa whoa that's nice.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, whoa whoa that's nice.
Yeah, that was smooth.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
That was really smooth, that was really smooth,
and one thing about this is Lukehas different ones, right, so
he is involved in Acts.
Is there a correlation on thatand how does that work?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Well, he wrote the book of Luke and Acts.
Most scholars believe that hewrote both books and it was just
like part one and part two.
So if it hadn't been for thebook of Acts, we wouldn't know
so much about the early church,because it goes from the
ascension of Jesus, whichhappened 40 days after the
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resurrection, and then it goesinto the Pentecost story and
outpouring of the Holy Spiritand the decisions of the early
church we call it JerusalemCouncil, the expansion of
Christianity in that part of theworld, and then Paul's
missionary journey.
We wouldn't have any of that ifit hadn't been for Luke.
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And now, when we get to thebook of Acts here in a couple
weeks, we'll talk more about howthat happened and how God used
a disappointment in the life ofPaul to bring about a real
blessing to the kingdom.
And so that's what we see andhappened in Luke's life.
And so, before we even get tothat, for those of you who are
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listening and I understand thatour audience is growing, which
is fantastic.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Please like, share and all that good stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
So years ago, an incredible woman by the name of
Taylor Caldwell wrote a bookcalled Dear and Glorious
Physician Okay.
And so she did research withhundreds and hundreds of
historical documents and booksand she wrote a background story
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of like who is this Luke personthat we don't know about?
What's the backstory of Lukeand did he meet Mary and how did
he know about the birth storyand all this kind of stuff?
It is one of the mostfascinating books other than the
Bible that I've ever read.
So if you're listening and youwant an incredible read, I'd say
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it was probably historicalfiction in that category, but
she backs it up with so muchresearch.
It's incredible.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
And repeat it again.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
It's called Dear and Glorious Physician, the author
Taylor Caldwell.
You can buy it online Amazon,whatever and it is just a
phenomenal read, and so I meanjust encourage you.
It's not a short book, but Icouldn't put it down.
I mean it was really, reallygood.
So if you want a littlebackstory about Luke and some of
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the things the Bible doesn'ttell us, I would encourage you
to read that book.
You will not regret it.
It's just really, really good.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, all right.
What did you have a questionabout?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
What was Paul's disappointment?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Well, we'll talk about that in a couple of weeks
when we get to the book of Acts,because I don't want to get too
far in advance and give awaysome of that.
But, going on to what you weresaying, god can use even our
disappointments in our life,which we all have them at some
level.
God can use our disappointmentsto bring about good in our life
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and in the lives of others, andthat's exactly what we see
happening there in Acts, chapter16.
So anyway, that's enough.
A little background about Luke.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
And that's great and one of the things that you know,
these earlier chapters of theNew Testament, they all overlap.
We sort of touched on that alittle bit last week, right?
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, we talked about the Synoptic Gospels, matthew,
mark and Luke, very similar.
And now what doesn't overlap isLuke, chapter 1, okay, that's
the story of the birth of Johnthe Baptist, zechariah and
Elizabeth, the parents, and allof that story, and then the
beginning of Luke, the birth ofJesus.
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Luke, chapter 2.
We see some of that in Matthewwith the wise men, but we don't
see about the Bethlehem storyand the angels and the shepherds
and all of that kind of stuffin any other book except for
Luke.
And so then we get into thatand we get into the temptation,
and then Nazareth, and that'sanother thing that helped, I
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guess, shape my ministry wasLuke, chapter 4.
We'll get to that in just aminute.
So, yeah, do you have anything.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Okay, so the principle for God's sovereignty
and faithfulness is that hefulfilled the promise in his own
way and in his own timing.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
That is exactly right .
God always does it in his ownway and his own timing.
That is exactly right.
God always does it in his ownway and his own timing.
Now, sometimes we want to tellGod what the timing he should do
it and how he should dosomething, and that's pretty
normal for us to do that.
But God's going to do what'sbest for the most people and the
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time that he believes is thebest for most people, and so
that's part of faith.
And you have to think aboutokay, if I could have knowledge
about what God's going to do orif I'm going to have faith that
I'm just going to believe thatGod's going to do the best,
which one would I pick?
I can tell you that most of uswant the knowledge.
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We want to know what God'sgoing to do, how he's going to
do it, but God's going to choosefaith.
He's going to say you know,just trust me, Trust me, and I
think that's what's a greatmessage in the book of Luke is
that the story of the birth ofJohn the Baptist, the story of
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the birth of Jesus, it's allabout the faithfulness of God
and that God does what he needsto do at the right time and that
we just need to trust Hisfaithfulness, and so that's part
of that.
But let's tie that in.
Let's cross that bridge intoleadership, Because great
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leaders, the people trust them.
This goes back to our veryfirst podcast, podcast number
one, which was like a year and ahalf ago Number one, yeah, and
that was are you a person ofyour word?
The people that you lead?
That could be a scout troop,that could be an environmental
group, it could be whatever abackpacking group, a softball
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team, it doesn't matter.
Do people trust your word?
And are you a person of yourword, a man of your word, a
woman of your word, or are younot?
And people will know prettyquick whether or not you're
going to do what you say you'regoing to do and what we read
about in the Bible is that Godwas a God of His Word.
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He promised and then hefulfilled.
Now, sometimes the fulfillmentis a long time after the promise
, but the promise actually gotfulfilled, and that's what we
see in the first few chapters ofthe book of Luke is the promise
of John the Baptist comingpreparing the way we see the
birth of Jesus in Bethlehem, youknow, as the Messiah.
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So those were promises thatwere made hundreds of years
before.
Now they're being fulfilled,yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Yeah, and I like the way it's.
This book is you know, startsout, because I think Luke's
creating trust right he's.
He's building the trust beforehe tells the story, and I think
that's what the backstory a lotof times.
People want to know thebackstory.
They want to know yourbackstory as a leader.
They want to know where you're,where you come from, what's
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your thoughts, what's your.
Do I sync with you as a leaderbefore I, even you know, join
the company?
A lot of times, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
So that is so true.
It's like you've got to buildthat relationship.
You know, I know ministry isbuilt on relationship, but so is
business.
You know you've got to.
Your people have to trust you,they have to know you, they have
to know your heart, they haveto know your priorities, and if
they don't know that, it's goingto be a real challenge,
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especially with your team.
It's going to be hard to leadpeople that don't trust you.
And I learned a long time ago,when I was a teenager, involved
in a ministry called Young Life,that a principle that I still
remember to today, and that isyou have to earn the right to be
heard.
And so in different businesses,it takes a while to earn that
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right.
But it's like what am I doingto earn that right to be heard
for a new employee or employees?
That if I'm new to the job,what am I doing to earn that
right?
And I think what?
Let's tie that into Luke, sinceLuke was a travel companion of
Paul and Paul had such a suchreputation so that if Paul would
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endorse Luke, then Luke wouldhave earned the right to be
heard.
And so it's like that'simportant for the people that
we're around the company that wekeep.
It just says a lot about ourcharacter, and so what a great
leadership principle.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah, absolutely as far as a leader.
Elisa, how would you buildtrust with some of your
classmates, some of your peoplethat you do build trust?
Speaker 3 (16:27):
with some of your, your classmates, some of your
people that you do.
How do you build trust?
Okay, so, everybody in theclass, I'm really good friends
with everybody, but I'm also Idon't call them names.
I mean they call me names but Iignore it because somehow they
found a way time.
But I'd be nice to them and Idon't try to get back at them.
I'm a lot, I'm friends with alot of people, but see, we have
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fun at recess and what we don'tdo is how I build trust is.
I don't like ask for anythingoutrageous.
I don't ask for favors too much.
If they don't know me very well, I'll say hi, introduce myself,
talk to them over the day andthey can decide whether they
trust me or not?
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I don't force it onto them.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Right, fair, fair, that's good, yeah, and sometimes
it takes.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Sometimes trust can be built pretty quick with some
people and other times it takesa long time to build trust and
we don't know why.
It just does sometimes.
But we just have to keep tryingand doing what you said Treat
people nicely and don't talkdown about people, and that's
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just a real good leadershipprinciple.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Right, yes.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Jesus actually shows team development in the Bible
from Luke 5, 1 to 11 and 6, 12to 16.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Got her doing her show prep right.
Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
So he calls on his disciples and chooses 12.
Kind of like if you're hiringfor a job, you would have to
choose the best people and see.
The insight for this is heselects his team and he invests
in them, and then he multipliesthe intact.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
That's it, that's good, that's exactly right.
All right I like it, but let'sjust talk about that passage,
because there in the book ofMark and also in other places,
we see that it says Jesus calledthem to be with him and send
them out.
So in other words, if we readthat correctly which I think we
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should Jesus called them to havea relationship first, before he
asked them to do something.
And so many times leaders makethe mistake of not building the
relationship with their team.
They just want to assign them ajob and they don't prioritize
the relationship.
So I think good leaders followthat example of Jesus, where he
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built the relationship with hisfollowers, with his team, and
then he asked them to dosomething.
He was training them alongbecause he was kind of like the
role model and so, but he builtthe relationship, you know,
mentored them and then sent themout to do something.
And so that sequence, I think,is still valid for today.
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Right yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
And then one of the things we roll into you know the
verses that she talked about,you know two on, you know into
five and stuff, and it's youknow.
One of the things that I saw inthere that really stood out is
when Zachariah he doubted andthen he was made mute.
Yes, Right.
That really stood out, as I waslike I didn't remember that
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until I was doing the pre-showand everything.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, and he was praying, he and his wife were
praying for a child and theangel comes and says, hey, your
prayer's going to be answered.
And he goes.
What?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Yeah, I don't believe you I don't believe you, Okay
well believe this.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
And he was mute until his son was born and then even
after that.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
That was John the.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Baptist, john the Baptist, an incredible
individual, very bold individual.
And then, as they were namingthe child, the people said no,
he needs to be Zechariah.
Just after his father he saidno, he said I need a writing
tablet.
You know, he writes it down,his name is John and boom, he
starts talking again and it'slike oh, my goodness, wow, that
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would have been phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Right.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Bro, really said shh.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Yeah, he did, he really did yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
He really did.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
That's.
That's one of the things you,even the you know most faithful,
can struggle sometimes.
You know sort of where theprinciple I got out of that.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yeah, and so one of the most incredible prayers or
hymns of the Scripture is there,from Mary in Luke, chapter 1,
and also John the Baptist'sfather was saying a prayer there
in Luke.
I mean Luke, chapter 1.
So those things are just havegone down through history as
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just some of the most phenomenalprayer praises of God.
So then we have, you know,chapter one.
Then we go to chapter two andjust think about Joseph, you
know, not married to Mary,Mary's pregnant.
He doesn't divorce her.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Right.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
You know which?
Here's the thing.
It's like how do we handledifficulties in our business and
as a leader, how do we handlethem?
Do we deny them?
Do we try to just not answerthe question?
Do we not address them?
Joseph's like no, we're goingto dress this head on.
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This is someone I'm committedto.
She's going to be my bride.
This might be an embarrassment,but I'm going to embrace her
and we're moving forward.
And so the question is okay, ifone of your team members makes
a mistake, how do you handle it?
But sometimes you need to letthem go right.
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But other times it's like canwe learn from this?
Can we as a team learn fromthis so that we as a team can be
better?
And that's a really toughdecision, but it's an important
thing because it happens all thetime.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah, it does, and you know he, yeah, it does so,
and you know he was a good manyou know he was because, I mean,
most people at that point wouldhave uh not believed that adios
.
Yeah, it's like no, I don'tthink so yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
so here, here's the thing I I printed off some
things like um minds, ninemindsets of successful people,
and one of them is you fixproblems and don't complain
about them.
And so Joseph didn't see thatnecessarily as a problem.
He saw it as an opportunity,because he had a dream from God
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and he said okay, thisopportunity for me to step up
and be the earthly father of theSon of God, wow.
Wow, what a role I mean it'slike how am I going to do this
Step up?
He didn't feel he was prepared,but God felt he was prepared.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
And so the question is, as a leader, do we see
potential in our people whenthey don't see potential in
themselves, and do we give theman opportunity, or do we just
hold them back?
Are we always looking for?
Oh my gosh, as someone taughtme a language term years ago do
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the employees we have have addedvalue years ago, do the
employees we have have addedvalue?
So it's something that's not ontheir resume, but they can add
value to the company or to theteam or whatever, because of
their experience.
Maybe they speak more than onelanguage, maybe they're an
artist, maybe they play amusical instrument or they're
creative, maybe they love towork for Habitat, maybe they
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play softball and we have asoftball team.
So I mean, what is it that yourteam members have that can add
added value to the team or thecompany?
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
So we go from chapter 2, then we have chapter 3, and
then we have chapter 4.
Chapter 4, jesus goes into thewilderness and is tempted.
He's tempted by the devil for40 days and 40 nights and he
doesn't eat to do something.
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Are we tempted to cut corners?
You know, is profit, are wetempted to have profit more than
quality?
I mean, everybody owns abusiness has got to deal with
some of those temptations.
You know, I know, as acontractor, I mean, you've been
building Cups and Homes for along, like 30 years, and it
would be so tempting to say, youknow what, I'm just going to
use cheap labor, cheap lumber,cheap, this, cheap, that.
And it's like, no, I'm notgoing to do that.
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You could do it.
And the temptation would be Ican, I can, it's the, the
homeowner's not going to know it, um, and I'll just go on and
they can deal with it later.
Um, but it's like no, I I'm,I'm not going to do that, you
know Right.
So, um, so any other kind oftemptations that that your
business, I mean you deal withthis, or know other people that
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deal with this stuff all thetime.
Can you kind of share some,some um, insights?
into that I mean.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
I think that there's there's ebbs and full, you know,
you know ups and downs when itcomes to business and I think,
uh, the biggest temptation andI'm talking to a couple of
people right now that you know,cause I do a lot of coaching and
um, they're going through likemajor burnout right.
So when you go through burnout,you have this temptation to
revamp, to redo to.
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I got to do things different,which I believe has to happen if
you get to the burnout stage,but at the same time, what you
have to do and working throughthem is they have to analyze you
know, not redo your wholecompany, your whole system,
everybody that works for you andall that.
Figure out what the thorns are.
I always call them thorns.
What's the thorns?
They're causing this burnoutBecause if we can figure out the
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thorns, not everything's broken.
You built the systems, you builtthis platform.
What you got to do is figureout what's causing the burnout
and I'm walking through a coupleof people right now just
through that and we figured out,sort of what their burnout,
what their thorns are.
I said now, how do we gobackwards and remove these
thorns and revamp the wholeprocess?
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You know, as far as filling inthe thorn process.
But a lot of times I think thetemptation comes from everybody.
Just they just want to justjump ship and I was like a lot
of times that it's not theproper way to do it?
Speaker 2 (26:59):
That's not the answer .
Yeah, so evaluate and retool,refigure out, and then what you
just said, what you didn't saybut you implied, is, sometimes
you need help.
Yeah, you know, even in theBible it says the angels came
and ministered to Jesus.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
You know, during that time, and he realized I need
some help getting through this.
And, yes, I have my father, butthe angels came and ministered
to him and so sometimes we justneed that help and we got to
humble ourself and realize.
You know what.
I just need some help gettingover the hump.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
And I'm sure I mean you're the biggest giving advice
over 40, you know 70, 80 yearsthat you've been a minister
right.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yeah, 82.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
And you know, I'm sure the stories that you have
and all that stuff you know ofcounseling, helping people
through times and tribulationsand stuff that they've had, is
just amazing.
You could write a very largebook if you wanted to on just
how much you've helped people.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Well, and here's the thing when people go through
some difficult times in theirlife okay, like losing a spouse,
okay, I think some of the bestadvice I could give is don't try
to make too many decisions tooquickly.
And when you're in a deep place,a dark place, sometimes we try
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to get out too quickly and Iknow it's difficult.
I haven't lost a spouse, butI've had some difficult times in
life and you're in a dark placeand you want to try to fix it
and sometimes things can getfixed, but it's not going to be
(28:57):
like a snap of the finger and itfixes and things magically
change overnight.
And what you're saying and Ithink it's so true is sometimes
you need someone to help walkwith you through that dark time.
And so if you're struggling asa leader right now, I'd reach
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out to this brother Tim, contacthim through our website.
You know he coaches people allover the country.
Um, I'm available to talk oremail, whatever.
Uh, if you're in a dark placeand you need some help, someone
to walk with you through thatright now, uh, just reach out to
us.
We'd be more than glad to help.
You know, whatever that may be.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Yeah, absolutely, and Miss Elisa you're going to be a
good coach one day too, soyou're a good listener.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
So, on the topic of like temptation, right.
So I found this quote in theBible, and it's in Luke 4.3, and
it is If you are the Son of Godand the devil says this If you
are the Son of God, turn thestone into bread.
But the principle is, and theleadership insight is, that
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great leaders are rooted inidentity, but they're not driven
to prove themselves to people,they're driven by their identity
.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah, some deep thoughts, very deep thoughts.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
But sometimes the principle is temptation often
begins by questioning youridentity or your legitimacy.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, that's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
That's good, that's good.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Yeah, a lot of times you don't have to prove yourself
.
You know, if you know you're astrong leader, if you know that
you, you have strong beliefs, Idon't have to go around and, and
you know, pray every time andbe open and stand up on a table
and do this prayer and blessing,because I know who I am a lot
of times and we have differentstories on that but a lot of
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times people and those arealways the people, and I have no
problem with prayer butsometimes the people that are
just over the top and I'm like,are you true?
Cause, and I have no problemwith prayer, but sometimes the
people that are just over thetop and I'm like, are you true?
And I can say that because theboss that I work with, you know
and I quit the job a long timeago Posey and talked to it
because he used that as his veil.
He wasn't this big Christianthat he put on, so he had this
(31:11):
outgoing image.
But I mean everybody could seethat that was really a false,
you know.
And so I mean I don't know.
It's just there's differentthings that look at her.
You know, exactly right.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
And so let me just finish.
So, after the temptation ofJesus in the first part of
chapter 4, then the second partof chapter 4, he goes to his
hometown, which is where he grewup.
He goes into the synagogue, hereads from the scroll of Isaiah,
and so when I was in seminary Ihad a job at a church in
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Atlanta.
Because I went to EmoryUniversity, I had a job there at
a church.
I was a youth director and Ihad never been on a mission trip
.
I'd heard about missionaries,heard about supporting
missionaries, but I myself hadnever been on a mission trip.
And one of the men in ourchurch, who was also one of the
professors at the seminary, wasinvolved in what's called the
(32:05):
Appalachia Service Project,where you would go up into
Kentucky, north Carolina, andwe'd actually do home repair for
people.
And so that was my very firstmission trip and the very first
night we got there, the leader Idon't remember his name, but he
quoted from Luke, chapter 4, inverse 18 and 19, where the
Spirit of the Lord is upon me,you know should anoint me to
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preach good news to the poor andrelease of the captives and
recovery of sight to the blind.
That just hit me like a brick.
That just hit me like a brickin realizing that, you know, as
a Christian, we're not justcalled to send our money, we're
not just called to pray eventhough that's a very good thing
we're actually called to do.
(32:48):
And so that really shaped myministry, that we want to
actually volunteer where we sendour money.
And so I had never thoughtabout that before, I'd never
really that light bulb turned on.
It's like, oh, my goodness, andit literally shaped the rest of
my ministry for 45 years, thatwe want people involved in
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helping others, not just sendingmoney, so other people can do
it.
And so I would say, as aleadership principle your
company, your team, whatever itmay be, what are you doing to
help those outside of yourorganization?
It could be a business, youcould be a bakery, you could be
electrical company, whatever.
(33:34):
Are you sending money, which isgreat, but are you also
allowing company whatever Areyou sending money, which is
great, but are you also allowingyour people to go volunteer,
saying, hey, we're doing avolunteer day, we're going to
help, like in Fort Worth theyhave a Clean Up the Trinity
River project, we're going to godown for a day or we're going
to do a Habitat for Humanitybuild or we're going to help the
(33:54):
Dallas Zoo, do something.
Are you encouraging your peopleto do volunteering their time,
not just sending a check fromthe company?
And by doing that it reallydoes bond people together, the
synergy about that.
There's something they can talkabout for a long time.
It just really adds life to theorganization.
(34:17):
So I'm going to encourage you,if you're a leader and just be
thinking about what can we dooutside of work, give the people
maybe a half day off or a dayoff and say, hey, if you do this
, then you're going to get acomp day, or you're going to get
this, or you know, whatever itmay be to.
You know, but you will beamazed at how many people want
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to do that.
And so, you know, representyour company out in the
community.
I'd encourage you to do it.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
So we're rolling down to the end of the podcast here,
but there's two more things Iwant to go over on week four to
end here.
I like that Jesus' missionstatement come out of four.
The spirit of the Lord is uponme.
I thought that Jesus' missionstatement came out of the four.
The Spirit of the Lord is uponme.
I thought that was a good wayto look at it.
But I really wanted to touchbase on get your thoughts that
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Nazareth, when he was in hishometown, tried to throw him off
a cliff.
What was?
Speaker 2 (35:10):
this about.
That's a long explanation, butbasically in the synagogue there
was a chair called the Messiahchair that no one sat in, but it
says that when Jesus finishedreading he sat down.
Well, he sat down in theMessiah chair.
So, he was basically declaringhimself as the Messiah and they
were thinking, no, there's noway you can do that.
(35:34):
So he was saying things even atan early age to give the
message that I am the Son of God, I am the Messiah, I am the one
you've been praying about andhoping for all these years.
And they're thinking, no,you're just a carpenter's son,
you know, there's no way youcould be the Messiah.
And so we see several times inthe Scripture, especially in the
(35:57):
book of John, that people triedto stone Jesus and it says, no,
he slipped through their midstbecause it was not his time.
And so they just even thepeople that knew him growing up,
they just did not believe thathe was who he said he was, and
(36:19):
he struggled that his wholeministry.
But you know, we can thank Godthat he did have some people who
believed in him and followedhim.
Yeah, and just a phenomenal,you know legacy that they left
behind.
It was awesome, yeah, so we gotthrough chapter four.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Chapter four Well, you know that's what we do.
Yeah, so we got through chapterfour.
Chapter four Well, that's whatwe do.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Yes, and so we got to shift to do some dad jokes
before we're off the air today.
Yeah, okay, did you hear aboutthe guy that evaporated?
Speaker 3 (36:47):
No, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
He'll be missed.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
I have a pick one question.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
You have a question.
Yeah, okay, is this a dad jokequestion?
You have a question?
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Yeah, okay, is this a dad joke question?
Speaker 2 (36:58):
It's more of a pick one.
A pick one, okay, like what'smore important?
Chocolate or vanilla?
Yeah, chocolate, always no.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Chocolate, always Strawberry is the best.
Oh, so this one I don't knowhow y'all are going to answer it
this one just choose whateverwould look best according to
y'all are going to answer thisone Just choose whatever would
look best according to y'all.
I prefer hoops on this one, butearrings.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Oh, earrings For my wife hoops for sure, because
studs she already has a stud.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
I prefer hoops.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
You prefer hoops.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
That's great.
Oh, I turned the crickets off.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
What do you prefer, Dad?
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Me.
Yeah, I like studs a lot oftimes but I like hoops, but a
big diamond stud.
That's pretty cool.
All right, dr Percy.
What other?
Speaker 2 (37:55):
I've got one last one .
I've got one last one, I've gotone last one.
Each of you got one, you knowthe older I get, the more I
think about the people I've lostalong the way.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Right.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Maybe a career as a tour guide was a bad choice.
Okay, this will be the last one, except for the one I have or
your dad has.
Okay, fair, fair, okay.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Dad, I want a sci-fi theme for my birthday.
Okay, let's plan it.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Okay, this is good.
You know what your dad has alittle beard.
I used to hate facial hair andthen it grew on me.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
All righty, let's get out of here, okay, hey, thank
you guys for listening to us.
Check us outbiblicalleadershipshowcom and of
all this stuff that we talkedabout on the you know missions
and all the stories, justspecial prayers for the flooding
victims last weekend in Texasand all that stuff so it was
(39:06):
horrible so special prayers totheir family members and all
that.
but other than that, check usout biblicalleadershipshowcom,
and we'll let Dr Posey take usout with.
Make it a great day.
What do you say?
I said make it a great dayAlrighty, thank you guys.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Have a great day.
Bye.
all righty, yeah, uh-huh, yeah, come on, come on,
all righty welcome, welcome,welcome, oh good.
I love to hear that it'sanother exciting, exciting
episode of the BiblicalLeadership Show.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
My name is Mr Tim Lansford, and with me is the
great, the infamous, the awesome, the Jesus is in the room, I
guess there you go.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
There he is.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
He's in the studio today.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Dr Posey, how you doing, tim Wonderful.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Wow, that's fantastic .
Yeah, that is.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
And then we have our Guest host.
Guest host Hi, alisa Lansford.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
All right, okay, so let's just start this off
correctly, okay?
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Did you hear that they arrested?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
We're just going straight in it.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Did you hear?
They arrested the EnergizerBunny.
Have you seen those EnergizerBunny commercials on TV?
They arrested the EnergizerBunny.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
No why?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yes, he was charged with battery.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
He does make lots of batteries.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
We're going straight into the joke.
Well, if you're not familiarwith the show and this is your
first show well don't you know,we talk a little bit about the
bible, we talk a little bitabout leadership and we talk a
lot about dad jokes we shouldhave a dad jokes podcast.
I say one, oh, do you have onereal fast I do okay, well,
(02:01):
you're not ready to say it I'mready.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I'm ready.
I told you this one before theshow.
So while we're doing our showprep, here we go Are you ready
for your Dr Posey first?
Okay.
So what did the mama cow say tothe baby cow?
I don't know.
It's past your bedtime.
Okay, we're ready.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Okay, a turd walks into a bar and asks Is the
bartender here?
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Because he's going to eat the bar isn't?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
he yeah, that's nice All right.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Well, if you've been hanging out with us for a while,
you should be, and hopefullyyou have been.
We're on a big year-long seriesright now, where we wrapped up
the Old Testament here a littlemonth or so, a month and a half
ago, and we're rolling into theNew Testament now and we're
rolling into the book of Luke.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Today.
Yeah, my favorite book of theBible right there.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Yeah, book of Luke.
And it is and tell me why.
I mean, I'm not, we're going toget into it, all that.
But I mean, why is this yourbig favorite book overall?
And then we'll go deep diveinto it.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Well, my favorite verse in the Bible is Luke 137,
where the angel said to Marynothing is impossible with God.
And that's my favorite verse inthe Bible.
And then years ago, when I wasat Baylor a pre-med student,
chemistry major I was struggling.
I didn't know whether I shouldgo to medical school or not.
(03:33):
I had wanted to be a doctorsince I was like sixth grade,
and now I'm a sophomore incollege.
I just finished organicchemistry and physics and all
that kind of stuff.
I'm very involved in the church.
So I'm trying to think do Ireally want to do that or not?
And I never really thoughtabout going into ministry as a
(03:55):
vocation.
Volunteering in the church, yes, but as a vocation.
I didn't think about it until Iwas a sophomore and I was very
involved in the church, and so Istarted praying about it.
And one night I just prayed andI said a sophomore, and I was
very involved in the church.
And so I started praying aboutit.
And one night I just prayed andI said God, I just need your
help.
I don't know what to do, I'mstruggling.
And this was about a six-weekperiod of time of just praying.
(04:17):
And one night I just opened theBible and I tell people, do not
do this, do not do it.
But I did it, just opened theBible and I tell people, do not
do this, do not do it.
But I did it.
And I opened my Bible and justpointed to Luke 9, 62, which
says he who puts his hand to theplow and looks back is not fit
for the kingdom of God.
So I just felt that God wastelling me that he wanted me to
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plant the seed of the Word ofGod as a lifestyle, as a career,
instead of going to medicalschool.
So I changed my major fromchemistry to religion, graduated
from Baylor with a degree inreligion, minor in chemistry,
went to seminary instead ofmedical school, and so that,
right, there was such a huge,obviously, impact, just changed
(05:00):
the direction of my life and myfocus and you know.
So that's such a huge part ofthat Plus, in addition, I think
the book of Luke has got someunique characteristics because
Luke was not Jewish and he metPaul, or Paul met him on one of
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the missionary journeys and weactually see beginning in Luke
chapter—well in Acts, he wrotethe book of Acts, 2 in Acts,
chapter 16, and we'll get moreinto this in a couple weeks when
we talk about the book of Acts.
But we actually see what'scalled the we passages in the
book of Acts where Luke refersto it as the first person plural
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like we did this or we did.
He's not just talking aboutPaul did this or they did that.
He's talking about his ownexperience.
So here was a person who didn'tgrow up as one of Jesus'
disciples.
He became a disciple of Jesus,do Paul's ministry, and yet he
is traveling with Paul and he'swriting from firsthand
experience.
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And he was a physician.
He was a brilliant man,incredible writer.
Without him we wouldn't havethe story of Jesus' birth in
Luke, chapter 2.
We wouldn't have stories likethe Good Samaritan or the
Prodigal Son, and so there'sjust so much rich history in
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Luke and the foundation of thatand it's just incredible.
It's just an incredible bookand influenced my life a lot.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
So that's one reason you know, and then going to
college I understand a lot moreabout your sermons now.
So when you were given sermons,you always had great chemistry
when you were on stage yeah,whoa whoa that's nice.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, whoa whoa that's nice.
Yeah, that was smooth.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
That was really smooth, that was really smooth,
and one thing about this is Lukehas different ones, right, so
he is involved in Acts.
Is there a correlation on thatand how does that work?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Well, he wrote the book of Luke and Acts.
Most scholars believe that hewrote both books and it was just
like part one and part two.
So if it hadn't been for thebook of Acts, we wouldn't know
so much about the early church,because it goes from the
ascension of Jesus, whichhappened 40 days after the
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resurrection, and then it goesinto the Pentecost story and
outpouring of the Holy Spiritand the decisions of the early
church we call it JerusalemCouncil, the expansion of
Christianity in that part of theworld, and then Paul's
missionary journey.
We wouldn't have any of that ifit hadn't been for Luke.
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And now, when we get to thebook of Acts here in a couple
weeks, we'll talk more about howthat happened and how God used
a disappointment in the life ofPaul to bring about a real
blessing to the kingdom.
And so that's what we see andhappened in Luke's life.
And so, before we even get tothat, for those of you who are
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listening and I understand thatour audience is growing, which
is fantastic.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Please like, share and all that good stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
So years ago, an incredible woman by the name of
Taylor Caldwell wrote a bookcalled Dear and Glorious
Physician Okay.
And so she did research withhundreds and hundreds of
historical documents and booksand she wrote a background story
(08:48):
of like who is this Luke personthat we don't know about?
What's the backstory of Lukeand did he meet Mary and how did
he know about the birth storyand all this kind of stuff?
It is one of the mostfascinating books other than the
Bible that I've ever read.
So if you're listening and youwant an incredible read, I'd say
(09:11):
it was probably historicalfiction in that category, but
she backs it up with so muchresearch.
It's incredible.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
And repeat it again.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
It's called Dear and Glorious Physician, the author
Taylor Caldwell.
You can buy it online Amazon,whatever and it is just a
phenomenal read, and so I meanjust encourage you.
It's not a short book, but Icouldn't put it down.
I mean it was really, reallygood.
So if you want a littlebackstory about Luke and some of
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the things the Bible doesn'ttell us, I would encourage you
to read that book.
You will not regret it.
It's just really, really good.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, all right.
What did you have a questionabout?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
What was Paul's disappointment?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Well, we'll talk about that in a couple of weeks
when we get to the book of Acts,because I don't want to get too
far in advance and give awaysome of that.
But, going on to what you weresaying, god can use even our
disappointments in our life,which we all have them at some
level.
God can use our disappointmentsto bring about good in our life
(10:16):
and in the lives of others, andthat's exactly what we see
happening there in Acts, chapter16.
So anyway, that's enough.
A little background about Luke.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
And that's great and one of the things that you know,
these earlier chapters of theNew Testament, they all overlap.
We sort of touched on that alittle bit last week, right?
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, we talked about the Synoptic Gospels, matthew,
mark and Luke, very similar.
And now what doesn't overlap isLuke, chapter 1, okay, that's
the story of the birth of Johnthe Baptist, zechariah and
Elizabeth, the parents, and allof that story, and then the
beginning of Luke, the birth ofJesus.
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Luke, chapter 2.
We see some of that in Matthewwith the wise men, but we don't
see about the Bethlehem storyand the angels and the shepherds
and all of that kind of stuffin any other book except for
Luke.
And so then we get into thatand we get into the temptation,
and then Nazareth, and that'sanother thing that helped, I
(11:24):
guess, shape my ministry wasLuke, chapter 4.
We'll get to that in just aminute.
So, yeah, do you have anything.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Okay, so the principle for God's sovereignty
and faithfulness is that hefulfilled the promise in his own
way and in his own timing.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
That is exactly right .
God always does it in his ownway and his own timing.
That is exactly right.
God always does it in his ownway and his own timing.
Now, sometimes we want to tellGod what the timing he should do
it and how he should dosomething, and that's pretty
normal for us to do that.
But God's going to do what'sbest for the most people and the
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time that he believes is thebest for most people, and so
that's part of faith.
And you have to think aboutokay, if I could have knowledge
about what God's going to do orif I'm going to have faith that
I'm just going to believe thatGod's going to do the best,
which one would I pick?
I can tell you that most of uswant the knowledge.
(12:26):
We want to know what God'sgoing to do, how he's going to
do it, but God's going to choosefaith.
He's going to say you know,just trust me, Trust me, and I
think that's what's a greatmessage in the book of Luke is
that the story of the birth ofJohn the Baptist, the story of
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the birth of Jesus, it's allabout the faithfulness of God
and that God does what he needsto do at the right time and that
we just need to trust Hisfaithfulness, and so that's part
of that.
But let's tie that in.
Let's cross that bridge intoleadership, Because great
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leaders, the people trust them.
This goes back to our veryfirst podcast, podcast number
one, which was like a year and ahalf ago Number one, yeah, and
that was are you a person ofyour word?
The people that you lead?
That could be a scout troop,that could be an environmental
group, it could be whatever abackpacking group, a softball
(13:34):
team, it doesn't matter.
Do people trust your word?
And are you a person of yourword, a man of your word, a
woman of your word, or are younot?
And people will know prettyquick whether or not you're
going to do what you say you'regoing to do and what we read
about in the Bible is that Godwas a God of His Word.
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He promised and then hefulfilled.
Now, sometimes the fulfillmentis a long time after the promise
, but the promise actually gotfulfilled, and that's what we
see in the first few chapters ofthe book of Luke is the promise
of John the Baptist comingpreparing the way we see the
birth of Jesus in Bethlehem, youknow, as the Messiah.
(14:20):
So those were promises thatwere made hundreds of years
before.
Now they're being fulfilled,yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Yeah, and I like the way it's.
This book is you know, startsout, because I think Luke's
creating trust right he's.
He's building the trust beforehe tells the story, and I think
that's what the backstory a lotof times.
People want to know thebackstory.
They want to know yourbackstory as a leader.
They want to know where you're,where you come from, what's
(14:48):
your thoughts, what's your.
Do I sync with you as a leaderbefore I, even you know, join
the company?
A lot of times, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
So that is so true.
It's like you've got to buildthat relationship.
You know, I know ministry isbuilt on relationship, but so is
business.
You know you've got to.
Your people have to trust you,they have to know you, they have
to know your heart, they haveto know your priorities, and if
they don't know that, it's goingto be a real challenge,
(15:14):
especially with your team.
It's going to be hard to leadpeople that don't trust you.
And I learned a long time ago,when I was a teenager, involved
in a ministry called Young Life,that a principle that I still
remember to today, and that isyou have to earn the right to be
heard.
And so in different businesses,it takes a while to earn that
(15:35):
right.
But it's like what am I doingto earn that right to be heard
for a new employee or employees?
That if I'm new to the job,what am I doing to earn that
right?
And I think what?
Let's tie that into Luke, sinceLuke was a travel companion of
Paul and Paul had such a suchreputation so that if Paul would
(15:58):
endorse Luke, then Luke wouldhave earned the right to be
heard.
And so it's like that'simportant for the people that
we're around the company that wekeep.
It just says a lot about ourcharacter, and so what a great
leadership principle.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah, absolutely as far as a leader.
Elisa, how would you buildtrust with some of your
classmates, some of your peoplethat you do build trust?
Speaker 3 (16:27):
with some of your, your classmates, some of your
people that you do.
How do you build trust?
Okay, so, everybody in theclass, I'm really good friends
with everybody, but I'm also Idon't call them names.
I mean they call me names but Iignore it because somehow they
found a way time.
But I'd be nice to them and Idon't try to get back at them.
I'm a lot, I'm friends with alot of people, but see, we have
(16:50):
fun at recess and what we don'tdo is how I build trust is.
I don't like ask for anythingoutrageous.
I don't ask for favors too much.
If they don't know me very well, I'll say hi, introduce myself,
talk to them over the day andthey can decide whether they
trust me or not?
(17:10):
I don't force it onto them.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Right, fair, fair, that's good, yeah, and sometimes
it takes.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Sometimes trust can be built pretty quick with some
people and other times it takesa long time to build trust and
we don't know why.
It just does sometimes.
But we just have to keep tryingand doing what you said Treat
people nicely and don't talkdown about people, and that's
(17:38):
just a real good leadershipprinciple.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Right, yes.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Jesus actually shows team development in the Bible
from Luke 5, 1 to 11 and 6, 12to 16.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Got her doing her show prep right.
Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
So he calls on his disciples and chooses 12.
Kind of like if you're hiringfor a job, you would have to
choose the best people and see.
The insight for this is heselects his team and he invests
in them, and then he multipliesthe intact.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
That's it, that's good, that's exactly right.
All right I like it, but let'sjust talk about that passage,
because there in the book ofMark and also in other places,
we see that it says Jesus calledthem to be with him and send
them out.
So in other words, if we readthat correctly which I think we
(18:32):
should Jesus called them to havea relationship first, before he
asked them to do something.
And so many times leaders makethe mistake of not building the
relationship with their team.
They just want to assign them ajob and they don't prioritize
the relationship.
So I think good leaders followthat example of Jesus, where he
(18:54):
built the relationship with hisfollowers, with his team, and
then he asked them to dosomething.
He was training them alongbecause he was kind of like the
role model and so, but he builtthe relationship, you know,
mentored them and then sent themout to do something.
And so that sequence, I think,is still valid for today.
(19:17):
Right yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
And then one of the things we roll into you know the
verses that she talked about,you know two on, you know into
five and stuff, and it's youknow.
One of the things that I saw inthere that really stood out is
when Zachariah he doubted andthen he was made mute.
Yes, Right.
That really stood out, as I waslike I didn't remember that
(19:43):
until I was doing the pre-showand everything.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, and he was praying, he and his wife were
praying for a child and theangel comes and says, hey, your
prayer's going to be answered.
And he goes.
What?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Yeah, I don't believe you I don't believe you, Okay
well believe this.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
And he was mute until his son was born and then even
after that.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
That was John the.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Baptist, john the Baptist, an incredible
individual, very bold individual.
And then, as they were namingthe child, the people said no,
he needs to be Zechariah.
Just after his father he saidno, he said I need a writing
tablet.
You know, he writes it down,his name is John and boom, he
starts talking again and it'slike oh, my goodness, wow, that
(20:28):
would have been phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Right.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Bro, really said shh.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Yeah, he did, he really did yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
He really did.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
That's.
That's one of the things you,even the you know most faithful,
can struggle sometimes.
You know sort of where theprinciple I got out of that.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yeah, and so one of the most incredible prayers or
hymns of the Scripture is there,from Mary in Luke, chapter 1,
and also John the Baptist'sfather was saying a prayer there
in Luke.
I mean Luke, chapter 1.
So those things are just havegone down through history as
(21:04):
just some of the most phenomenalprayer praises of God.
So then we have, you know,chapter one.
Then we go to chapter two andjust think about Joseph, you
know, not married to Mary,Mary's pregnant.
He doesn't divorce her.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Right.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
You know which?
Here's the thing.
It's like how do we handledifficulties in our business and
as a leader, how do we handlethem?
Do we deny them?
Do we try to just not answerthe question?
Do we not address them?
Joseph's like no, we're goingto dress this head on.
(21:45):
This is someone I'm committedto.
She's going to be my bride.
This might be an embarrassment,but I'm going to embrace her
and we're moving forward.
And so the question is okay, ifone of your team members makes
a mistake, how do you handle it?
But sometimes you need to letthem go right.
(22:05):
But other times it's like canwe learn from this?
Can we as a team learn fromthis so that we as a team can be
better?
And that's a really toughdecision, but it's an important
thing because it happens all thetime.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah, it does, and you know he, yeah, it does so,
and you know he was a good manyou know he was because, I mean,
most people at that point wouldhave uh not believed that adios
.
Yeah, it's like no, I don'tthink so yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
so here, here's the thing I I printed off some
things like um minds, ninemindsets of successful people,
and one of them is you fixproblems and don't complain
about them.
And so Joseph didn't see thatnecessarily as a problem.
He saw it as an opportunity,because he had a dream from God
(22:58):
and he said okay, thisopportunity for me to step up
and be the earthly father of theSon of God, wow.
Wow, what a role I mean it'slike how am I going to do this
Step up?
He didn't feel he was prepared,but God felt he was prepared.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
And so the question is, as a leader, do we see
potential in our people whenthey don't see potential in
themselves, and do we give theman opportunity, or do we just
hold them back?
Are we always looking for?
Oh my gosh, as someone taughtme a language term years ago do
(23:41):
the employees we have have addedvalue years ago, do the
employees we have have addedvalue?
So it's something that's not ontheir resume, but they can add
value to the company or to theteam or whatever, because of
their experience.
Maybe they speak more than onelanguage, maybe they're an
artist, maybe they play amusical instrument or they're
creative, maybe they love towork for Habitat, maybe they
(24:05):
play softball and we have asoftball team.
So I mean, what is it that yourteam members have that can add
added value to the team or thecompany?
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
So we go from chapter 2, then we have chapter 3, and
then we have chapter 4.
Chapter 4, jesus goes into thewilderness and is tempted.
He's tempted by the devil for40 days and 40 nights and he
doesn't eat to do something.
(24:46):
Are we tempted to cut corners?
You know, is profit, are wetempted to have profit more than
quality?
I mean, everybody owns abusiness has got to deal with
some of those temptations.
You know, I know, as acontractor, I mean, you've been
building Cups and Homes for along, like 30 years, and it
would be so tempting to say, youknow what, I'm just going to
use cheap labor, cheap lumber,cheap, this, cheap, that.
And it's like, no, I'm notgoing to do that.
(25:10):
You could do it.
And the temptation would be Ican, I can, it's the, the
homeowner's not going to know it, um, and I'll just go on and
they can deal with it later.
Um, but it's like no, I I'm,I'm not going to do that, you
know Right.
So, um, so any other kind oftemptations that that your
business, I mean you deal withthis, or know other people that
(25:33):
deal with this stuff all thetime.
Can you kind of share some,some um, insights?
into that I mean.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
I think that there's there's ebbs and full, you know,
you know ups and downs when itcomes to business and I think,
uh, the biggest temptation andI'm talking to a couple of
people right now that you know,cause I do a lot of coaching and
um, they're going through likemajor burnout right.
So when you go through burnout,you have this temptation to
revamp, to redo to.
(26:01):
I got to do things different,which I believe has to happen if
you get to the burnout stage,but at the same time, what you
have to do and working throughthem is they have to analyze you
know, not redo your wholecompany, your whole system,
everybody that works for you andall that.
Figure out what the thorns are.
I always call them thorns.
What's the thorns?
They're causing this burnoutBecause if we can figure out the
(26:23):
thorns, not everything's broken.
You built the systems, you builtthis platform.
What you got to do is figureout what's causing the burnout
and I'm walking through a coupleof people right now just
through that and we figured out,sort of what their burnout,
what their thorns are.
I said now, how do we gobackwards and remove these
thorns and revamp the wholeprocess?
(26:46):
You know, as far as filling inthe thorn process.
But a lot of times I think thetemptation comes from everybody.
Just they just want to justjump ship and I was like a lot
of times that it's not theproper way to do it?
Speaker 2 (26:59):
That's not the answer .
Yeah, so evaluate and retool,refigure out, and then what you
just said, what you didn't saybut you implied, is, sometimes
you need help.
Yeah, you know, even in theBible it says the angels came
and ministered to Jesus.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
You know, during that time, and he realized I need
some help getting through this.
And, yes, I have my father, butthe angels came and ministered
to him and so sometimes we justneed that help and we got to
humble ourself and realize.
You know what.
I just need some help gettingover the hump.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
And I'm sure I mean you're the biggest giving advice
over 40, you know 70, 80 yearsthat you've been a minister
right.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yeah, 82.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
And you know, I'm sure the stories that you have
and all that stuff you know ofcounseling, helping people
through times and tribulationsand stuff that they've had, is
just amazing.
You could write a very largebook if you wanted to on just
how much you've helped people.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Well, and here's the thing when people go through
some difficult times in theirlife okay, like losing a spouse,
okay, I think some of the bestadvice I could give is don't try
to make too many decisions tooquickly.
And when you're in a deep place,a dark place, sometimes we try
(28:35):
to get out too quickly and Iknow it's difficult.
I haven't lost a spouse, butI've had some difficult times in
life and you're in a dark placeand you want to try to fix it
and sometimes things can getfixed, but it's not going to be
(28:57):
like a snap of the finger and itfixes and things magically
change overnight.
And what you're saying and Ithink it's so true is sometimes
you need someone to help walkwith you through that dark time.
And so if you're struggling asa leader right now, I'd reach
(29:18):
out to this brother Tim, contacthim through our website.
You know he coaches people allover the country.
Um, I'm available to talk oremail, whatever.
Uh, if you're in a dark placeand you need some help, someone
to walk with you through thatright now, uh, just reach out to
us.
We'd be more than glad to help.
You know, whatever that may be.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Yeah, absolutely, and Miss Elisa you're going to be a
good coach one day too, soyou're a good listener.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
So, on the topic of like temptation, right.
So I found this quote in theBible, and it's in Luke 4.3, and
it is If you are the Son of Godand the devil says this If you
are the Son of God, turn thestone into bread.
But the principle is, and theleadership insight is, that
(30:07):
great leaders are rooted inidentity, but they're not driven
to prove themselves to people,they're driven by their identity
.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah, some deep thoughts, very deep thoughts.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
But sometimes the principle is temptation often
begins by questioning youridentity or your legitimacy.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, that's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
That's good, that's good.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Yeah, a lot of times you don't have to prove yourself
.
You know, if you know you're astrong leader, if you know that
you, you have strong beliefs, Idon't have to go around and, and
you know, pray every time andbe open and stand up on a table
and do this prayer and blessing,because I know who I am a lot
of times and we have differentstories on that but a lot of
(30:50):
times people and those arealways the people, and I have no
problem with prayer butsometimes the people that are
just over the top and I'm like,are you true?
Cause, and I have no problemwith prayer, but sometimes the
people that are just over thetop and I'm like, are you true?
And I can say that because theboss that I work with, you know
and I quit the job a long timeago Posey and talked to it
because he used that as his veil.
He wasn't this big Christianthat he put on, so he had this
(31:11):
outgoing image.
But I mean everybody could seethat that was really a false,
you know.
And so I mean I don't know.
It's just there's differentthings that look at her.
You know, exactly right.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
And so let me just finish.
So, after the temptation ofJesus in the first part of
chapter 4, then the second partof chapter 4, he goes to his
hometown, which is where he grewup.
He goes into the synagogue, hereads from the scroll of Isaiah,
and so when I was in seminary Ihad a job at a church in
(31:44):
Atlanta.
Because I went to EmoryUniversity, I had a job there at
a church.
I was a youth director and Ihad never been on a mission trip
.
I'd heard about missionaries,heard about supporting
missionaries, but I myself hadnever been on a mission trip.
And one of the men in ourchurch, who was also one of the
professors at the seminary, wasinvolved in what's called the
(32:05):
Appalachia Service Project,where you would go up into
Kentucky, north Carolina, andwe'd actually do home repair for
people.
And so that was my very firstmission trip and the very first
night we got there, the leader Idon't remember his name, but he
quoted from Luke, chapter 4, inverse 18 and 19, where the
Spirit of the Lord is upon me,you know should anoint me to
(32:28):
preach good news to the poor andrelease of the captives and
recovery of sight to the blind.
That just hit me like a brick.
That just hit me like a brickin realizing that, you know, as
a Christian, we're not justcalled to send our money, we're
not just called to pray eventhough that's a very good thing
we're actually called to do.
(32:48):
And so that really shaped myministry, that we want to
actually volunteer where we sendour money.
And so I had never thoughtabout that before, I'd never
really that light bulb turned on.
It's like, oh, my goodness, andit literally shaped the rest of
my ministry for 45 years, thatwe want people involved in
(33:14):
helping others, not just sendingmoney, so other people can do
it.
And so I would say, as aleadership principle your
company, your team, whatever itmay be, what are you doing to
help those outside of yourorganization?
It could be a business, youcould be a bakery, you could be
electrical company, whatever.
(33:34):
Are you sending money, which isgreat, but are you also
allowing company whatever Areyou sending money, which is
great, but are you also allowingyour people to go volunteer,
saying, hey, we're doing avolunteer day, we're going to
help, like in Fort Worth theyhave a Clean Up the Trinity
River project, we're going to godown for a day or we're going
to do a Habitat for Humanitybuild or we're going to help the
(33:54):
Dallas Zoo, do something.
Are you encouraging your peopleto do volunteering their time,
not just sending a check fromthe company?
And by doing that it reallydoes bond people together, the
synergy about that.
There's something they can talkabout for a long time.
It just really adds life to theorganization.
(34:17):
So I'm going to encourage you,if you're a leader and just be
thinking about what can we dooutside of work, give the people
maybe a half day off or a dayoff and say, hey, if you do this
, then you're going to get acomp day, or you're going to get
this, or you know, whatever itmay be to.
You know, but you will beamazed at how many people want
(34:39):
to do that.
And so, you know, representyour company out in the
community.
I'd encourage you to do it.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
So we're rolling down to the end of the podcast here,
but there's two more things Iwant to go over on week four to
end here.
I like that Jesus' missionstatement come out of four.
The spirit of the Lord is uponme.
I thought that Jesus' missionstatement came out of the four.
The Spirit of the Lord is uponme.
I thought that was a good wayto look at it.
But I really wanted to touchbase on get your thoughts that
(35:06):
Nazareth, when he was in hishometown, tried to throw him off
a cliff.
What was?
Speaker 2 (35:10):
this about.
That's a long explanation, butbasically in the synagogue there
was a chair called the Messiahchair that no one sat in, but it
says that when Jesus finishedreading he sat down.
Well, he sat down in theMessiah chair.
So, he was basically declaringhimself as the Messiah and they
were thinking, no, there's noway you can do that.
(35:34):
So he was saying things even atan early age to give the
message that I am the Son of God, I am the Messiah, I am the one
you've been praying about andhoping for all these years.
And they're thinking, no,you're just a carpenter's son,
you know, there's no way youcould be the Messiah.
And so we see several times inthe Scripture, especially in the
(35:57):
book of John, that people triedto stone Jesus and it says, no,
he slipped through their midstbecause it was not his time.
And so they just even thepeople that knew him growing up,
they just did not believe thathe was who he said he was, and
(36:19):
he struggled that his wholeministry.
But you know, we can thank Godthat he did have some people who
believed in him and followedhim.
Yeah, and just a phenomenal,you know legacy that they left
behind.
It was awesome, yeah, so we gotthrough chapter four.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Chapter four Well, you know that's what we do.
Yeah, so we got through chapterfour.
Chapter four Well, that's whatwe do.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Yes, and so we got to shift to do some dad jokes
before we're off the air today.
Yeah, okay, did you hear aboutthe guy that evaporated?
Speaker 3 (36:47):
No, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
He'll be missed.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
I have a pick one question.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
You have a question.
Yeah, okay, is this a dad jokequestion?
You have a question?
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Yeah, okay, is this a dad joke question?
Speaker 2 (36:58):
It's more of a pick one.
A pick one, okay, like what'smore important?
Chocolate or vanilla?
Yeah, chocolate, always no.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Chocolate, always Strawberry is the best.
Oh, so this one I don't knowhow y'all are going to answer it
this one just choose whateverwould look best according to
y'all are going to answer thisone Just choose whatever would
look best according to y'all.
I prefer hoops on this one, butearrings.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Oh, earrings For my wife hoops for sure, because
studs she already has a stud.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
I prefer hoops.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
You prefer hoops.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
That's great.
Oh, I turned the crickets off.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
What do you prefer, Dad?
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Me.
Yeah, I like studs a lot oftimes but I like hoops, but a
big diamond stud.
That's pretty cool.
All right, dr Percy.
What other?
Speaker 2 (37:55):
I've got one last one .
I've got one last one, I've gotone last one.
Each of you got one, you knowthe older I get, the more I
think about the people I've lostalong the way.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Right.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Maybe a career as a tour guide was a bad choice.
Okay, this will be the last one, except for the one I have or
your dad has.
Okay, fair, fair, okay.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Dad, I want a sci-fi theme for my birthday.
Okay, let's plan it.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Okay, this is good.
You know what your dad has alittle beard.
I used to hate facial hair andthen it grew on me.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
All righty, let's get out of here, okay, hey, thank
you guys for listening to us.
Check us outbiblicalleadershipshowcom and of
all this stuff that we talkedabout on the you know missions
and all the stories, justspecial prayers for the flooding
victims last weekend in Texasand all that stuff so it was
(39:06):
horrible so special prayers totheir family members and all
that.
but other than that, check usout biblicalleadershipshowcom,
and we'll let Dr Posey take usout with.
Make it a great day.
What do you say?
I said make it a great dayAlrighty, thank you guys.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Have a great day.
Bye.
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