August 12, 2025 • 36 mins
The resurrection narrative in Luke's Gospel offers profound leadership wisdom that transcends time and culture. In this captivating episode, we unpack the final chapter of Luke, drawing out transformative leadership principles from Jesus' post-resurrection appearances.
When Jesus walked alongside two disciples on the road to Emmaus, he demonstrated the power of presence before revelation. Rather than immediately asserting his identity, he engaged them in conversation, taught from Scripture, and only revealed himself at the breaking of bread. This approach mirrors exceptional leadership today—walking alongside team members, imparting wisdom, and building relationship before exercising authority.
Perhaps the most striking leadership principle emerges when Jesus "acted as if he was going further." Great leaders consistently push beyond comfort zones, challenging the status quo while bringing others along. Many organizations stagnate because people cling to familiar processes and technologies, resisting innovation. Transformational leaders must constantly envision what lies beyond current limitations and inspire their teams toward growth.
We examine how Jesus calmed his disciples' fears with a simple "Peace to you" before giving them their mission. Today's workforce, particularly younger generations, needs to understand the "why" behind assignments. By addressing anxiety first and providing context for tasks, leaders create an environment where team members can focus and perform optimally. Concrete strategies for reducing workplace anxiety include establishing clear priorities and fostering collaborative team atmospheres.
A personal story about a lost wallet returned by a thoughtful restaurant manager illustrates how exceptional leadership manifests in simple acts of service and initiative. This manager's willingness to go beyond job requirements reveals character qualities that likely make him an outstanding leader within his organization.
As we conclude our five-week journey through Luke, we leave you with a powerful framework for leadership development. From "I do, you watch" to "you do, others watch," Jesus modeled a progressive approach to developing leaders who could carry forward the mission long after his departure. This sustainable leadership model ensures organizational growth beyond any single leader's tenure.
Ready to transform your leadership approach with these timeless principles? Let us know how these insights impact your leadership journey!
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Speaker 1 (00:23):
all righty, yeah, uh-huh, yeah, come on, come on,
alrighty welcome, welcome,welcome, hey Tim Welcome.
Another exciting episode of thePodcast of Luke.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
All rightiblical leadership show, but it's like
Groundhog Day, right?
Yeah, exactly, it is.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I'm doing all right.
You know it's continuing onwith this August month.
Wow, and your kids start schooltomorrow.
Start school tomorrow.
They're not excited about thatat all.
I mean, I remember that it wasalways exciting to go back and
see your friends, but prettymuch other than that, that was
it it took me about a month toget back into it, so I assume my
(01:14):
kids will be about the sameright, I get that from you, not
your bride.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Right, I'm guessing.
Yeah, she'd be okay with that.
But yeah, so welcome.
How was your week?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Anything fun and exciting?
No, it was good.
No, same old, same old.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Same old, same old.
I understand it's the way it is.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Sometimes that's just good though.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
It is good.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
You don't have to live on the edge every single
day.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
No, Just six days a week.
I've been back in town for likea week.
Yes, this is incredible.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I've been traveling a lot this summer and, yeah, I
actually got some work done,caught up on some things and
it's been a good week, so can'tcomplain.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
That's really really good.
But yeah, while we're talkingabout this Luke thing, but
before we get into that, do youhave any dad jokes?
That's like asking if today isTuesday.
This man is dad joking.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
We need to do a full podcast on just dad jokes.
I know you go viral on halfyour dad jokes, right, because
these other people are doing it.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
You know, our second anniversary is coming up, the
end of next month.
I think on the 26th orsomewhere around there, right,
and so maybe we just need todedicate the second anniversary
show to dad jokes.
It's sort of our.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
New Year's Eve dad jokes.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah, so what?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
We now officially have two full shows on dad jokes
.
I don't know.
We might be able to do that.
We'll talk about it.
We'll see what we can do somefun and exciting stuff, and see
what we can do.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
So you know just here what three months ago came out
with my second book, theCandlemaker, and it was making
me think you went over the titlepretty quick there.
The Candlemaker One word,candlemaker, yeah.
Went over the title prettyquick there.
The Candle Maker One word,candle Maker, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
And this is a good book.
The first one was about Noahright, which fit into this.
And this one was the CandleMaker.
Based on a series of dreamsactually Sort of just channeled
all that information and got itdown on paper and came to
fruition pretty fast.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
So yeah, so yeah, I'm excited about it.
And historical romantic fictionthat's the genre I love it you
know it's exciting that peopleactually are reading it and
staying awake.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yeah, as far as we know, well, at least one person
stayed awake, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
At least through 20 pages yes, okay, and least
through 20 pages yes, okay.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
And she's married to him.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Everyone else I say, hey, if you have insomnia, pick
up the book.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I downloaded it on my iPad, so I actually have it on
my iPad.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Well, good, I just haven't started reading it.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
I've got to admit that.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
But I've been traveling, so I'm in all
fairness, don't start from theback.
Don't start from the back.
No, don't start from the back.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
I'm waiting for the Cliff Notes version to come out.
No, not really, I'm going toread that thing.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Okay.
So anyway, over the last coupleof weeks we've been talking to
people about the book and itmade me think about my first
book on Noah and I never reallythought about this, okay.
And someone asked me well, youknow, on the Ark there were two
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of everything, right, two ofeverything.
And I said yes, and so theysaid, well, where did Noah keep
his bees?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
His bees huh.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
And I thought about it and finally he told me the
answer in his archive.
And finally he told me theanswer in his archive.
I was really thinking hard onthat one, because I hadn't heard
that one.
I was like what is that one?
I hadn't heard it either.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
That was pretty good, especially on the Noah one
there, so I like it.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, so you know I was trying to come up with a dad
joke on measuring distance.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
You know, yes, but this is as close as I could get
a dad joke on measuring distance.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
You know, yes, but this is as close as I could get.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I almost got that one on you, but you know I went
with the other one.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
So it's good yeah.
So you know if you've beenfollowing the last month.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
That's true, this is the fifth week on Luke.
On Luke.
Now, we did say at the verybeginning of this this was Dr
P's favorite book of the Bible.
So you know, you knew we weregoing to spend some time on it,
but five weeks.
I have a prediction today.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
We're going to finish .
We're going to finish.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Because we've got chapter 24 left.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
That's it, chapter 24 .
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I think we're going to get done today.
Yeah, and chapter 24, I thinkverse 28,.
I think is one of the greatestleadership principles in the
entire Bible.
So we'll get to that I like it,maybe next week, no, so let's
just get right into it.
We're in chapter.
(06:10):
Well, we need to, so we canmake sure we finish right,
exactly right, it's cutting intoour dad joke time talking about
Luke the whole time, right?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yes, it's all right, I like Luke.
Good name.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah, it's a good name.
And so the end of chapter 23,.
We see that, well, in chapter23, jesus is crucified, and then
at the end of chapter 23, he isburied in the tomb Right.
And so that was on a Friday.
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The next day was the Sabbath orSaturday Right.
And so that was on a Friday.
The next day was the Sabbath orSaturday, right, and nothing
could be done from sundown onFriday to sundown on Saturday, I
mean.
So people stayed home.
They were Jewish, they observedthe Sabbath just like they
would normally historically doSabbath just like they would
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normally historically do.
But it says at the very end ofchapter 23 that as Jesus was
being buried by Joseph ofArimathea, the women followed,
and we see this in several otherplaces in the Bible.
The women were curious and theywanted to know where Jesus was
being buried, because theywanted—it was a cemetery there,
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and so there were several gravesand the grave wasn't like a
hole in the ground like we havenow.
It was a cave and it wascovered up with a large round
stone.
But there were many of those inthat area, so they wanted to
know which one actually wasJesus, so they could go, as we
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do now.
We go to the grave of peoplethat we love and we just sit
there and think about them, andwe'd just sit there and think
about them.
So these women wanted to knowwhich grave was Jesus being
buried in, so they could go onthe day after the Sabbath, which
would have been Sunday andgrieve for him as their friend
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and as their Messiah.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Let me ask you a question on that Just sort of
came to my head Was this aspecial one?
They put on a special tomb, orwas there multiple people in
this tomb, just him?
I was just sort of curious.
I never really thought aboutthat.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
It was a new tomb never been used.
And so, but Joseph of Arimathea, and he asked Pilate for Jesus'
body, and so it was the customto take linen and wrap, put the
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linen and spices and wrap thebody, and so that's what Jesus
did.
It was late in the day onFriday, they couldn't do it on
Saturday, so they were doingthat because they had to do it
in a hurry, so they wrapped himup in the linen cloth.
If you're familiar with thestory of the Shroud of Turin, if
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you're not, I encourage you tojust Google Shroud of Turin or
look it up online.
Fascinating story about that.
Many people believe that thatwas actually the barrier cloth
of Jesus.
If it's not, there's a lot ofexplaining that needs to be done
because there's so manysimilarities.
Anyway, so you would wrap thebody in this linen cloth and
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then you would place them in thetomb, and so that's what
happened on that Friday and theyput him in the tomb, they
rolled the stone away, and thenthat was the end of Friday.
The women were wanting to go tosee and mourn over their friend
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and their Messiah, and so thewomen went there, and when they
got there, the stone had beenrolled away.
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They saw two angels this isaccording to the Gospel of Luke
and the angels talked to them,and so they go back to the what
happened.
And then so we see that Peterran to the tomb and Initially
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they thought it was all nonsense, right?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah, they saw A lot of the people.
It's like what happened?
Someone stole the body, yeah,whatever they thought what are
you talking about?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Even though Jesus had told them this was going to
happen, it didn't really compute.
Because they're still in sorrow,they're still grieving, they
are still in grief, and so let'sjust talk about that for just a
minute.
Grief takes different forms indifferent people, and it takes
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different amounts of time indifferent people, and so just
think about a good leadershipprinciple If someone in your
organization lost a spouse or achild or a parent and you know
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about it which you probablywould one of the really amazing
personal things to do is to putthat on your calendar.
So six months later, a yearlater, you can actually either
write that person a noteSometimes the one-year
anniversary is people are justthat's a really hard grieving
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day and you might come up to oneof your employees and say you
know, I know, next Thursday isthe one-year anniversary of your
husband's passing.
Would you like to be off thatday?
I mean, wow, what acompassionate thing that is.
And it tells that employee, thatperson really does care about
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me, and so that would be one ofthe things that you can do as a
leader to let people know thatyou really care.
And if you did that with aperson, you're not going to do
it, so it gets around, but it'sgoing to get around, okay.
And so maybe or maybe, ifthat's not possible, maybe as a
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staff you can do something forthat person on that day.
You know, take them to lunch orgive them flowers, something,
okay, just to show that you careand that you are acknowledging
the grieving process, becausegrief for some people they get
over that very quickly.
It's not an uncommon thing totake a year or two to really go
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through the grieving process oflosing a loved one like that,
and so that would be very normal, and so, by a leader, being
compassionate during that seasonof someone's life is just
really an exceptional thing todo.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, that's awesome.
So, yeah, and I, you know wetalked about this last week is
that leaders, you know peoplewant to work for people.
They buy into, you know, andthere's they don't want to just
have like a robot working there,you know, and somebody that
just harbors space, right, youknow, barks, orders, and one of
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the big things, you know, youhave to have the positives and
the negatives as well.
So anything you can do to geton the positive side, you know,
because a lot of times, you know, you have to be the hard boss,
you have to discipline people,you have to tell them that we
have things that have to beaccomplished before we leave
that night, you know I run intothis with some of my employees,
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right, you know, I'm like we'redoing this for the end of the
day.
You know I got plans.
I'm like, well, you should havethought about that prior to
getting done, because I saidwe're going to be done today and
apparently you didn't do whatyou needed to do at the
beginning of the morning, sowe're going to stay late and
sorry, but we'll make that uptomorrow, but this will be done
before we leave tonight orthere'll be consequences.
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It's simple as that you know,and but at the same time you
know the next day, you know, youknow you had a family stuff
want to do.
Why don't you take off a littlebit early tonight, you know,
cause we're caught up now, andbut I mean that's, that's part
of that, that give and take asleaders.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Correct, and so that just gets around.
It's important, though.
If you do that for one person,you've got to be sensitive.
What can I do to be fair toother people?
Yes, you don't want to showfavoritism.
You're thinking about growingup in elementary school the
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teachers always had a favoritestudent.
You don't want to be known as aboss that has a favorite
employee.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Did they?
I didn't know about this.
I never was on that list.
I never knew about this.
I was never on the list.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
So anyway, then we get after that in the
resurrection story.
We're at the same day, it'sthat Sunday.
And one of the most amazingstories in the Bible is here in
Luke, chapter 24, beginning withverse 13.
And that is it's only found inthe Gospel of Luke.
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And that is two men werewalking from Jerusalem to a
little town called Emmaus, aboutseven miles away from Jerusalem
, and it was in the afternoon.
They were walking and all of asudden Jesus appears with them
and he walks along and they'rejust having this conversation
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and Jesus then begins.
It says he explains to theScripture everything about
himself, which is like wow, thatwould have been an amazing
lesson.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Right, wouldn't it have Right there?
Speaker 2 (16:24):
yes, and so Jesus shared about himself, he shared
about the Scripture.
And then they get to thislittle town.
Okay, and that's where thesetwo men were going.
Little town, okay, and that'swhere these two men were going.
But there is a very powerfullesson here, in verse 28, and
I'll just read it.
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It says so they drew near tothe village to which they were
going.
That's these two men.
Jesus acted as if he was goingfarther, but they urged him
strongly, saying Stay with us,for it is toward evening and the
day is now far spent.
So he went in to stay with them.
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Now let's just talk about theleadership principle of that.
Jesus was going further wasgoing further, I think it's the
leader's job to always try totake the organization to the
next step, and it's not anuncommon thing for some people
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to stay where they are.
I just want to stay here.
I'm comfortable, this isfamiliar.
Don't interrupt the apple cart.
And no, I don't want to upgradeto Windows 11 because I'm
familiar with Windows 10, eventhough it's not going to be
supported anymore.
I don't want to do any.
I don't want to learn anythingnew.
I don't want to.
And so I think part of theleader's job is to always be
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thinking about where can I takemy organization, where can I
take my people to the next level?
Right, and that could be withindividual people.
It could be do I need to sendthem to a class to learn a
computer skill?
Do I need to take them to aclass to learn anger management?
Do I need to take them tohospitality something?
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What can I do to improve theindividuals, to take them to
hospitality something?
What can I do to improve theindividuals, to take them to the
next level?
And then, what can I do formyself, to take myself and the
company to the next level?
And so I think a good leadersees that constantly, they're
constantly thinking about thenext chapter, and how do we get
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to that point?
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Yeah, and there's a lot of good principles in here,
and one of the things I saw inthis is, you know, when he was
walking there, he didn't correctthem.
He didn't, you know, he justhad a conversation.
He explained and I thought thatwas really good.
And then they didn't reallyrecognize him until he started
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breaking bread, because it was anormal an act, that they'd seen
him before and they sort ofrecognized him and it led me to
believe one of the things isteach before you reveal.
And it always takes me back tothat undercover boss show, right
.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Where he would go in and some of these big companies.
They don't really know who thatis.
And he just works, he's workingin there and incognito and
everything, and that's sort ofwhat I sort of saw.
This, as you know, sort ofundercover boss.
Jesus was sort of undercoverjust walking with them, talking
to them, and all this, and then,at the very thing, there's a
big reveal in the breaking bread.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Hey, I'm your boss, you know I'm your savior and all
that.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
So I sort of thought that when I was doing my show
prep that's sort of how I sawsome of this stuff going down.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
So let's just take what you just said and look at
it from a different perspective.
Yeah, because I think what yousaid is such a valuable thing.
Jesus, he is the creator.
You know.
He's the Creator, he's theSavior, he's the Messiah, and
he's resurrected in bodily form,and yet he spent time with
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common people and he loved it.
And so the question is how muchtime do we, as leaders, spend
with our people?
Are we always busy becausewe're in office taking care of
paperwork?
Do we are, if we're, you know,in charge of a manufacturing
thing?
Are we on the floor with ourpeople?
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Do we know their names?
Do they know us If we walk inthe floor?
Do they know you know if we'rea manager of a restaurant?
Right, do they know who we are?
So let me just fill in whatI've shared.
Two weeks ago, I lost my wallet.
Oh, that's right, the wallet Ona bike ride yes, On a bike ride.
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And so I got a and it was don'tever lose your wallet.
It's not a pleasant experience.
You have to go get a newdriver's license, insurance
cards, you have to cancel yourcredit cards, get new ones.
It's not a good thing, okay.
So I went through all of that.
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I drove, I got my new driver'slicense, all that kind of stuff.
I got my new driver's license,all that kind of stuff.
So just the other day I got aFacebook message from someone
who I've never met, named Andrew, and he said hey, we have your
wallet here at a restaurant downin Fort Worth and someone
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turned it in to us and it's beensitting here on my desk and the
amazing thing about it is thisguy.
Obviously, my driver's licenseis there when you first open it
up.
He took the time to look me upon Facebook and then he messaged
me.
And then he messaged me and soit was like how nice.
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I mean, he went out.
He didn't have to do it, hecould have just tossed it in the
trash.
You know it's like forget it,but he took the time and I'm
hoping to meet him.
I was there on Sunday pickingup my wallet.
And so I walk in and I knew hewasn't going to be there okay,
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because I had messaged him backand forth and I said, hey, I'm
going to be there Sundayafternoon.
Are you going to be there?
He said no, I'm going to beworking the morning shift.
And so I walk in and the twowomen who were there at the
hostesses, I said, is Andrew in?
And both of them said no, he'snot in right now.
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And I said, well, he gave me amessage that he has my wallet in
his office and they asked myname.
But here's the thing they knewthe manager's name.
They knew that he wasn't there.
I mean, they knew.
And so it's like so obviouslythis Andrew guy, um, took the
time to know his people.
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And then, not just that he tookthe time to do something, that
I just am very thankful that hetook the time I don't know how
long it took to look me up,message me and make sure that I
got my wallet back.
And I was just very, verythankful.
I was just very, very thankfulthat that happened and I'm just
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thankful to him and the peopledown in Fort Worth and it was
just a great experience.
And so, if you're in Fort Worth, the Woodshed Smokehouse is
where that happened and it'sover on Riverfront Drive.
The Woodshed Smokehouse iswhere that happened and it's
over on Riverfront Drive, justoff University and Riverfront
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Drive.
And so, anyway, I just say abig shout out to Andrew and the
Woodshed Smokehouse for makingthat happen and I'm just very
thankful.
I'm excited you got your walletback.
That's great.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yeah, I'm very excited, but I'm thinking you
got your wallet back, that'sgreat.
Yeah, I'm very excited.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
But I'm thinking what a great manager, leader he is
to go out of his way to dosomething for somebody, and it's
like what a great leadershipprinciple.
Are we willing to just go outof our way for our customers,
for our employees, or are wejust, no, we're just going to be
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here 9 to 5, 8 to 5, whatever,7 to 3, whatever and just do
what's got to be done and ifthere's something, just forget
it.
I'm not going out of my way todo anything, and they just told
me a lot about him, hischaracter, his integrity and his
organization, and I bet he's areally good person to work for.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah, and the first thing you're going to do is go
get a copy of that picture ofyou and your bride and you're
going to put that somewhere safein case you.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
It's on my dresser, so I won't lose it again.
There you go.
I don't want to ever lose mywallet again.
It's down to one or two thingswhen you travel now on the bike,
right, that's it.
That's it.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
As little as possible , it's a good story that you
ended up hitting the end of thatand finding that wall.
Yeah, that was very, very sad,because we were apprehensive on
that.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
I know it, I know it and so okay, so let's pick it up
back with Luke.
So this happened in Emmaus.
The guys go back, they run backto Jerusalem, they tell the
disciples what happened and then, all of a sudden, jesus just
appears in the room.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
And he says peace to you.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
So in the midst of their fear, in the midst of
their concern and they wereafraid for their life, I mean,
here the Romans had justcrucified their leader, right,
and so it's like we're probablynext.
So there was some fear, therewas a lot of anxiety, a
scaredness, and Jesus comes inand just says, hey, peace.
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And so it's just like, wow,what a great leader.
He's just saying, hey, let'sjust calm down here, let's focus
.
And we see in the book ofMatthew he gives them the
mission about making disciples,but in this particular chapter,
jesus is just being present andcalming their fears.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Yeah, because ultimately, I mean, what it says
, you know, is he shows him hiswounds and he eats with them and
talks about the scripture andeverything, but then he
ultimately was there to givethem their mission, right?
You know what are you trying todo and that's where I sort of
brought you know, when you'retalking about the piece that he
brought in, there is, you know,a lot of times in a business
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setting.
You know you got to settle thatanxiety, you know, before
giving that assignment, you knowwhy are we doing this?
Especially today's generation,they want to know the why behind
things, not just go do it.
You know generations have passed.
You know, go do it, all right,sir, I'll get it done.
But now it's a little bit ofwhy do you want to get it done?
What's the purpose behind this?
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Where are we trying toaccomplish it?
And if you can give a littlebit more details, that's just
going to settle that anxiety andthat's, you know, it's going to
make the assignment a littlebit more focus-driven, you know,
and they'll have a little bitmore desire to do it.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah.
So let's talk about, as aleader, what can we do to lower
the level of anxiety in ourpeople?
Okay, and there's a list.
I won't share all of them, buthere's one of them A lack of
priorities.
If we don't have priorities, ifeach person doesn't know what
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they're supposed to do today,tomorrow I mean they don't have
an A list, a B list, a C listthey're supposed to do today,
tomorrow, I mean they don't havean A list, a B list, a C list,
If they can just do whatever andthen they realize, oh, maybe
I'm not doing the right thing.
So I think one of the leader'sjob is to make sure everybody
knows that they have priorities,they have deadlines, they have
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a timeline.
There's expectations, andsometimes we think that
expectations on people willcreate anxiety.
No, it doesn't.
It actually lowers anxiety.
So that's one of the things asa lack of priorities.
And then the other thing isthat there's creates anxiety is
if we feel we have to doeverything ourselves, and so
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part of a leader's job, I think,is to create a team atmosphere.
So if you need help, you havepeople that you can go to to
actually help you with yourdeadline, your job.
Now I'm not saying hey, it's4.30 on Friday afternoon and
this was due before the end ofthe day and then you go to
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somebody no, If you know youhave a deadline by 5 o'clock on
Friday, you might need to go tothem on Monday and say, hey, I
might need your help, Let mework on this.
Let's get together tomorrow ifyou have some time, or Wednesday
at the latest, so we can workon this.
Let's get together tomorrow ifyou have some time, or Wednesday
at the latest, so we can workon this together.
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So if you're just kind ofwaiting for inspiration or
you're trying to do everythingyourself, that can just create a
lot of anxiety.
So those are just two thingsthat I think a good leader can
do to help lower anxiety intheir people.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Right.
I think that's great.
You know, and one of the thingsI pulled out of that in my
notes here is you know, when hewas doing, he said you are the
witness.
You are witnesses, go to allnations.
You know, and I pulled out ofthat as a leadership lesson of
leaders must define the why, thewhat and the who of the mission
, and I think that's one of thethings that Jesus did in this
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time.
He sort of said here's whatwe're here to do and this is why
we're doing it.
And that's, you know, here'syour direction.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
And after the resurrection and right before
the ascension, in those 40 days,days, jesus was very good about
not condemning them for theirshock.
I mean, you know their shock.
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Oh, what he said was actuallytrue.
You know he was saying hey, youknow, I told you this, this is
what's happened.
Now we go to the mission, let'sget after the mission, and I am
going to send you a helper,which we see in the book of Acts
, that's going to help you withthat mission.
And so you're right, they had amission, they had a what, they
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had a why, and that's justreally, really good leadership.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
So the ascension right.
Did you pull any goodleadership out of that one?
And I know that we're runningdown here at the end of the show
and we got dad jokes to do Iunderstand right.
So one of the things that Ipulled out of the Ascension and
I just wanted to get it beforewe end the show is trust others
to carry the torch.
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You know, he didn't, he didn'tover explain, he didn't hover,
he just he sort of left apromise and then he turned over
authority.
And then it's what I sort oftie into a lot of times.
I teach him my leadershipthings is, if somebody set the
point where we do this bigexercise, where we go through
all your people, depending on ifthey're in the stage where they
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just need to be coached ortrained or they need supervision
, but if you hit the top thing,somebody that's being empowered,
and you've hit that point wherethey're empowered, you don't
want to micromanage, you want togive them the big picture, you
want to send them on the missionand then let them go and do
their own thing, let them learntheir lessons, give them full
power to sign on the dotted linefor your name.
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And give them full power tosign on the dotted line for your
name.
And that's one of the thingsthat we try to do is trust
others to carry on, to be ableto do things right.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah, and so the steps of training others to be
leaders.
We've said this before, but I'mgoing to repeat it because this
is a really good topic.
So this is what happened inJesus he did it, they watched,
then they talked about it.
Okay, and then the next stepwas Jesus did it, then they
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helped because he sent them out,you know, he sent them the 70,
he sent the disciples up two bytwo, and then they came back and
talked about it.
And then the next step is okay,you go do it and I help, and
then we talk.
And then you do and I watch andwe talk.
And now here is the point of theascension, where you're going
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to go do it and someone else isgoing to watch, because it's not
just about you.
You need to be sure that you'retraining the next generation,
and that's what good leaders do.
They don't just train fortraining a person, they train
for generations.
So you want to train the nextperson so they can train the
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next person, and that's whatJesus was doing, and that's just
great leadership, Greatleadership.
Yeah great, so we finished Luke.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
We finished Luke.
Wow, wow yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
That's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
That is great, that's really fantastic yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
So you had some dad jokes you wanted to share.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
No, mine were horrible.
I hadn't found any good ones.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
So what is a cow?
Speaker 1 (33:33):
You've got the master list.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, I do?
Speaker 1 (33:36):
He's got one, two, three, four, five six things in
front of him.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
He's ready to go.
So what is a cow's favorite TVshow?
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Oh, I think I've heard this one before, but I do
not remember it.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Grey's Anatomy.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
I've never heard that one.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Grey's Anatomy.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
I had not yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
And so you know I'm not really a fish.
I like to go fishing but I'mnot really a good fisherman.
I catch sticks and stumps okay.
But, when you catch a fish?
Why is it so easy to weigh fish?
Speaker 1 (34:20):
How?
Why is it so easy?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
to weigh fish.
To weigh fish?
Yes, yeah, I do not know,because they come with their own
scales.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
All right, I'll give you some of that A half a clap.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
We need to have like a half a clap.
I know.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
We need the like golf clap right.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yeah, that's what we need.
Yeah, exactly right.
And so we've said this before,but it's been many, many months
ago.
So what do you call a reluctantpotato?
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
A hesitator?
Yeah, okay, yeah Okay speakingyeah.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Okay, speaking of animals, I just got to get some
better stuff over here.
I'm going to do some show front.
Next time I'm ordering a wholebunch of bad dope books.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Why are pigs such bad drivers?
Speaker 1 (35:23):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Because they always hog the road.
I'll give you that one.
That was good.
I like that, okay.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Well, I think we're done.
See, you're just retired, youhave all this time to spend on
dad jokes.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
I have all this time, 25 hours a day.
I do show prep.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
I get everything that's done.
I got a lot of stuff on my side.
That's my excuse and I'msticking to it.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Next week I'll have some dad jokes, I will do some
stuff.
And John, we're talking aboutthe gospel of John.
John, what?
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Oh my goodness, you sure don't want to go back and
start Luke you know, do anotherfive weeks about Luke.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
We could do it.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yeah, I mean there's a lot of stuff that we could
have even went down a rabbithole here and kept going on it.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
But John 1, oh my goodness, john 1 is one, one of
the most brilliant let's justsay things ever written in human
history.
Awesome, just the very firstpart, the first 18 verses Just
incredible.
So anyway, yeah, so we lookforward to seeing you next week.
Tell some friends about theBiblical Leadership Show podcast
.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Yeah, yeah, hit us up there,
biblicalleadershipshowcom, checkus out, send us some dad jokes.
I need some dad jokes.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Send me some dad jokes, so I can have some
arsenal over here next week.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
I'm going to come prepared, I'm going to go and do
some show prep.
I'm going to have a few dadjokes.
I'll have a few hundreds.
Yeah, you got hundreds.
I do literally, yeah, literally.
Alright, dr Pete, take us out.
Hey, make it a great day, thankyou.
all righty, yeah, uh-huh, yeah, come on, come on,
alrighty welcome, welcome,welcome, hey Tim Welcome.
Another exciting episode of thePodcast of Luke.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
All rightiblical leadership show, but it's like
Groundhog Day, right?
Yeah, exactly, it is.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I'm doing all right.
You know it's continuing onwith this August month.
Wow, and your kids start schooltomorrow.
Start school tomorrow.
They're not excited about thatat all.
I mean, I remember that it wasalways exciting to go back and
see your friends, but prettymuch other than that, that was
it it took me about a month toget back into it, so I assume my
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kids will be about the sameright, I get that from you, not
your bride.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Right, I'm guessing.
Yeah, she'd be okay with that.
But yeah, so welcome.
How was your week?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Anything fun and exciting?
No, it was good.
No, same old, same old.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Same old, same old.
I understand it's the way it is.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Sometimes that's just good though.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
It is good.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
You don't have to live on the edge every single
day.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
No, Just six days a week.
I've been back in town for likea week.
Yes, this is incredible.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I've been traveling a lot this summer and, yeah, I
actually got some work done,caught up on some things and
it's been a good week, so can'tcomplain.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
That's really really good.
But yeah, while we're talkingabout this Luke thing, but
before we get into that, do youhave any dad jokes?
That's like asking if today isTuesday.
This man is dad joking.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
We need to do a full podcast on just dad jokes.
I know you go viral on halfyour dad jokes, right, because
these other people are doing it.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
You know, our second anniversary is coming up, the
end of next month.
I think on the 26th orsomewhere around there, right,
and so maybe we just need todedicate the second anniversary
show to dad jokes.
It's sort of our.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
New Year's Eve dad jokes.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah, so what?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
We now officially have two full shows on dad jokes
.
I don't know.
We might be able to do that.
We'll talk about it.
We'll see what we can do somefun and exciting stuff, and see
what we can do.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
So you know just here what three months ago came out
with my second book, theCandlemaker, and it was making
me think you went over the titlepretty quick there.
The Candlemaker One word,candlemaker, yeah.
Went over the title prettyquick there.
The Candle Maker One word,candle Maker, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
And this is a good book.
The first one was about Noahright, which fit into this.
And this one was the CandleMaker.
Based on a series of dreamsactually Sort of just channeled
all that information and got itdown on paper and came to
fruition pretty fast.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
So yeah, so yeah, I'm excited about it.
And historical romantic fictionthat's the genre I love it you
know it's exciting that peopleactually are reading it and
staying awake.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yeah, as far as we know, well, at least one person
stayed awake, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
At least through 20 pages yes, okay, and least
through 20 pages yes, okay.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
And she's married to him.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Everyone else I say, hey, if you have insomnia, pick
up the book.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I downloaded it on my iPad, so I actually have it on
my iPad.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Well, good, I just haven't started reading it.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
I've got to admit that.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
But I've been traveling, so I'm in all
fairness, don't start from theback.
Don't start from the back.
No, don't start from the back.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
I'm waiting for the Cliff Notes version to come out.
No, not really, I'm going toread that thing.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Okay.
So anyway, over the last coupleof weeks we've been talking to
people about the book and itmade me think about my first
book on Noah and I never reallythought about this, okay.
And someone asked me well, youknow, on the Ark there were two
(04:29):
of everything, right, two ofeverything.
And I said yes, and so theysaid, well, where did Noah keep
his bees?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
His bees huh.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
And I thought about it and finally he told me the
answer in his archive.
And finally he told me theanswer in his archive.
I was really thinking hard onthat one, because I hadn't heard
that one.
I was like what is that one?
I hadn't heard it either.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
That was pretty good, especially on the Noah one
there, so I like it.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, so you know I was trying to come up with a dad
joke on measuring distance.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
You know, yes, but this is as close as I could get
a dad joke on measuring distance.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
You know, yes, but this is as close as I could get.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I almost got that one on you, but you know I went
with the other one.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
So it's good yeah.
So you know if you've beenfollowing the last month.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
That's true, this is the fifth week on Luke.
On Luke.
Now, we did say at the verybeginning of this this was Dr
P's favorite book of the Bible.
So you know, you knew we weregoing to spend some time on it,
but five weeks.
I have a prediction today.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
We're going to finish .
We're going to finish.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Because we've got chapter 24 left.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
That's it, chapter 24 .
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I think we're going to get done today.
Yeah, and chapter 24, I thinkverse 28,.
I think is one of the greatestleadership principles in the
entire Bible.
So we'll get to that I like it,maybe next week, no, so let's
just get right into it.
We're in chapter.
(06:10):
Well, we need to, so we canmake sure we finish right,
exactly right, it's cutting intoour dad joke time talking about
Luke the whole time, right?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yes, it's all right, I like Luke.
Good name.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah, it's a good name.
And so the end of chapter 23,.
We see that, well, in chapter23, jesus is crucified, and then
at the end of chapter 23, he isburied in the tomb Right.
And so that was on a Friday.
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The next day was the Sabbath orSaturday Right.
And so that was on a Friday.
The next day was the Sabbath orSaturday, right, and nothing
could be done from sundown onFriday to sundown on Saturday, I
mean.
So people stayed home.
They were Jewish, they observedthe Sabbath just like they
would normally historically doSabbath just like they would
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normally historically do.
But it says at the very end ofchapter 23 that as Jesus was
being buried by Joseph ofArimathea, the women followed,
and we see this in several otherplaces in the Bible.
The women were curious and theywanted to know where Jesus was
being buried, because theywanted—it was a cemetery there,
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and so there were several gravesand the grave wasn't like a
hole in the ground like we havenow.
It was a cave and it wascovered up with a large round
stone.
But there were many of those inthat area, so they wanted to
know which one actually wasJesus, so they could go, as we
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do now.
We go to the grave of peoplethat we love and we just sit
there and think about them, andwe'd just sit there and think
about them.
So these women wanted to knowwhich grave was Jesus being
buried in, so they could go onthe day after the Sabbath, which
would have been Sunday andgrieve for him as their friend
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and as their Messiah.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Let me ask you a question on that Just sort of
came to my head Was this aspecial one?
They put on a special tomb, orwas there multiple people in
this tomb, just him?
I was just sort of curious.
I never really thought aboutthat.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
It was a new tomb never been used.
And so, but Joseph of Arimathea, and he asked Pilate for Jesus'
body, and so it was the customto take linen and wrap, put the
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linen and spices and wrap thebody, and so that's what Jesus
did.
It was late in the day onFriday, they couldn't do it on
Saturday, so they were doingthat because they had to do it
in a hurry, so they wrapped himup in the linen cloth.
If you're familiar with thestory of the Shroud of Turin, if
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you're not, I encourage you tojust Google Shroud of Turin or
look it up online.
Fascinating story about that.
Many people believe that thatwas actually the barrier cloth
of Jesus.
If it's not, there's a lot ofexplaining that needs to be done
because there's so manysimilarities.
Anyway, so you would wrap thebody in this linen cloth and
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then you would place them in thetomb, and so that's what
happened on that Friday and theyput him in the tomb, they
rolled the stone away, and thenthat was the end of Friday.
The women were wanting to go tosee and mourn over their friend
(09:59):
and their Messiah, and so thewomen went there, and when they
got there, the stone had beenrolled away.
(10:20):
They saw two angels this isaccording to the Gospel of Luke
and the angels talked to them,and so they go back to the what
happened.
And then so we see that Peterran to the tomb and Initially
(10:55):
they thought it was all nonsense, right?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah, they saw A lot of the people.
It's like what happened?
Someone stole the body, yeah,whatever they thought what are
you talking about?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Even though Jesus had told them this was going to
happen, it didn't really compute.
Because they're still in sorrow,they're still grieving, they
are still in grief, and so let'sjust talk about that for just a
minute.
Grief takes different forms indifferent people, and it takes
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different amounts of time indifferent people, and so just
think about a good leadershipprinciple If someone in your
organization lost a spouse or achild or a parent and you know
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about it which you probablywould one of the really amazing
personal things to do is to putthat on your calendar.
So six months later, a yearlater, you can actually either
write that person a noteSometimes the one-year
anniversary is people are justthat's a really hard grieving
(12:10):
day and you might come up to oneof your employees and say you
know, I know, next Thursday isthe one-year anniversary of your
husband's passing.
Would you like to be off thatday?
I mean, wow, what acompassionate thing that is.
And it tells that employee, thatperson really does care about
(12:30):
me, and so that would be one ofthe things that you can do as a
leader to let people know thatyou really care.
And if you did that with aperson, you're not going to do
it, so it gets around, but it'sgoing to get around, okay.
And so maybe or maybe, ifthat's not possible, maybe as a
(12:53):
staff you can do something forthat person on that day.
You know, take them to lunch orgive them flowers, something,
okay, just to show that you careand that you are acknowledging
the grieving process, becausegrief for some people they get
over that very quickly.
It's not an uncommon thing totake a year or two to really go
(13:15):
through the grieving process oflosing a loved one like that,
and so that would be very normal, and so, by a leader, being
compassionate during that seasonof someone's life is just
really an exceptional thing todo.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, that's awesome.
So, yeah, and I, you know wetalked about this last week is
that leaders, you know peoplewant to work for people.
They buy into, you know, andthere's they don't want to just
have like a robot working there,you know, and somebody that
just harbors space, right, youknow, barks, orders, and one of
(13:56):
the big things, you know, youhave to have the positives and
the negatives as well.
So anything you can do to geton the positive side, you know,
because a lot of times, you know, you have to be the hard boss,
you have to discipline people,you have to tell them that we
have things that have to beaccomplished before we leave
that night, you know I run intothis with some of my employees,
(14:18):
right, you know, I'm like we'redoing this for the end of the
day.
You know I got plans.
I'm like, well, you should havethought about that prior to
getting done, because I saidwe're going to be done today and
apparently you didn't do whatyou needed to do at the
beginning of the morning, sowe're going to stay late and
sorry, but we'll make that uptomorrow, but this will be done
before we leave tonight orthere'll be consequences.
(14:39):
It's simple as that you know,and but at the same time you
know the next day, you know, youknow you had a family stuff
want to do.
Why don't you take off a littlebit early tonight, you know,
cause we're caught up now, andbut I mean that's, that's part
of that, that give and take asleaders.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Correct, and so that just gets around.
It's important, though.
If you do that for one person,you've got to be sensitive.
What can I do to be fair toother people?
Yes, you don't want to showfavoritism.
You're thinking about growingup in elementary school the
(15:13):
teachers always had a favoritestudent.
You don't want to be known as aboss that has a favorite
employee.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Did they?
I didn't know about this.
I never was on that list.
I never knew about this.
I was never on the list.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
So anyway, then we get after that in the
resurrection story.
We're at the same day, it'sthat Sunday.
And one of the most amazingstories in the Bible is here in
Luke, chapter 24, beginning withverse 13.
And that is it's only found inthe Gospel of Luke.
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And that is two men werewalking from Jerusalem to a
little town called Emmaus, aboutseven miles away from Jerusalem
, and it was in the afternoon.
They were walking and all of asudden Jesus appears with them
and he walks along and they'rejust having this conversation
(16:13):
and Jesus then begins.
It says he explains to theScripture everything about
himself, which is like wow, thatwould have been an amazing
lesson.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Right, wouldn't it have Right there?
Speaker 2 (16:24):
yes, and so Jesus shared about himself, he shared
about the Scripture.
And then they get to thislittle town.
Okay, and that's where thesetwo men were going.
Little town, okay, and that'swhere these two men were going.
But there is a very powerfullesson here, in verse 28, and
I'll just read it.
(16:44):
It says so they drew near tothe village to which they were
going.
That's these two men.
Jesus acted as if he was goingfarther, but they urged him
strongly, saying Stay with us,for it is toward evening and the
day is now far spent.
So he went in to stay with them.
(17:07):
Now let's just talk about theleadership principle of that.
Jesus was going further wasgoing further, I think it's the
leader's job to always try totake the organization to the
next step, and it's not anuncommon thing for some people
(17:28):
to stay where they are.
I just want to stay here.
I'm comfortable, this isfamiliar.
Don't interrupt the apple cart.
And no, I don't want to upgradeto Windows 11 because I'm
familiar with Windows 10, eventhough it's not going to be
supported anymore.
I don't want to do any.
I don't want to learn anythingnew.
I don't want to.
And so I think part of theleader's job is to always be
(17:52):
thinking about where can I takemy organization, where can I
take my people to the next level?
Right, and that could be withindividual people.
It could be do I need to sendthem to a class to learn a
computer skill?
Do I need to take them to aclass to learn anger management?
Do I need to take them tohospitality something?
(18:14):
What can I do to improve theindividuals, to take them to
hospitality something?
What can I do to improve theindividuals, to take them to the
next level?
And then, what can I do formyself, to take myself and the
company to the next level?
And so I think a good leadersees that constantly, they're
constantly thinking about thenext chapter, and how do we get
(18:39):
to that point?
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Yeah, and there's a lot of good principles in here,
and one of the things I saw inthis is, you know, when he was
walking there, he didn't correctthem.
He didn't, you know, he justhad a conversation.
He explained and I thought thatwas really good.
And then they didn't reallyrecognize him until he started
(19:01):
breaking bread, because it was anormal an act, that they'd seen
him before and they sort ofrecognized him and it led me to
believe one of the things isteach before you reveal.
And it always takes me back tothat undercover boss show, right
.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Where he would go in and some of these big companies.
They don't really know who thatis.
And he just works, he's workingin there and incognito and
everything, and that's sort ofwhat I sort of saw.
This, as you know, sort ofundercover boss.
Jesus was sort of undercoverjust walking with them, talking
to them, and all this, and then,at the very thing, there's a
big reveal in the breaking bread.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Hey, I'm your boss, you know I'm your savior and all
that.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
So I sort of thought that when I was doing my show
prep that's sort of how I sawsome of this stuff going down.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
So let's just take what you just said and look at
it from a different perspective.
Yeah, because I think what yousaid is such a valuable thing.
Jesus, he is the creator.
You know.
He's the Creator, he's theSavior, he's the Messiah, and
he's resurrected in bodily form,and yet he spent time with
(20:04):
common people and he loved it.
And so the question is how muchtime do we, as leaders, spend
with our people?
Are we always busy becausewe're in office taking care of
paperwork?
Do we are, if we're, you know,in charge of a manufacturing
thing?
Are we on the floor with ourpeople?
(20:26):
Do we know their names?
Do they know us If we walk inthe floor?
Do they know you know if we'rea manager of a restaurant?
Right, do they know who we are?
So let me just fill in whatI've shared.
Two weeks ago, I lost my wallet.
Oh, that's right, the wallet Ona bike ride yes, On a bike ride.
(20:49):
And so I got a and it was don'tever lose your wallet.
It's not a pleasant experience.
You have to go get a newdriver's license, insurance
cards, you have to cancel yourcredit cards, get new ones.
It's not a good thing, okay.
So I went through all of that.
(21:11):
I drove, I got my new driver'slicense, all that kind of stuff.
I got my new driver's license,all that kind of stuff.
So just the other day I got aFacebook message from someone
who I've never met, named Andrew, and he said hey, we have your
wallet here at a restaurant downin Fort Worth and someone
(21:36):
turned it in to us and it's beensitting here on my desk and the
amazing thing about it is thisguy.
Obviously, my driver's licenseis there when you first open it
up.
He took the time to look me upon Facebook and then he messaged
me.
And then he messaged me and soit was like how nice.
(21:59):
I mean, he went out.
He didn't have to do it, hecould have just tossed it in the
trash.
You know it's like forget it,but he took the time and I'm
hoping to meet him.
I was there on Sunday pickingup my wallet.
And so I walk in and I knew hewasn't going to be there okay,
(22:22):
because I had messaged him backand forth and I said, hey, I'm
going to be there Sundayafternoon.
Are you going to be there?
He said no, I'm going to beworking the morning shift.
And so I walk in and the twowomen who were there at the
hostesses, I said, is Andrew in?
And both of them said no, he'snot in right now.
(22:43):
And I said, well, he gave me amessage that he has my wallet in
his office and they asked myname.
But here's the thing they knewthe manager's name.
They knew that he wasn't there.
I mean, they knew.
And so it's like so obviouslythis Andrew guy, um, took the
time to know his people.
(23:05):
And then, not just that he tookthe time to do something, that
I just am very thankful that hetook the time I don't know how
long it took to look me up,message me and make sure that I
got my wallet back.
And I was just very, verythankful.
I was just very, very thankfulthat that happened and I'm just
(23:30):
thankful to him and the peopledown in Fort Worth and it was
just a great experience.
And so, if you're in Fort Worth, the Woodshed Smokehouse is
where that happened and it'sover on Riverfront Drive.
The Woodshed Smokehouse iswhere that happened and it's
over on Riverfront Drive, justoff University and Riverfront
(23:55):
Drive.
And so, anyway, I just say abig shout out to Andrew and the
Woodshed Smokehouse for makingthat happen and I'm just very
thankful.
I'm excited you got your walletback.
That's great.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yeah, I'm very excited, but I'm thinking you
got your wallet back, that'sgreat.
Yeah, I'm very excited.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
But I'm thinking what a great manager, leader he is
to go out of his way to dosomething for somebody, and it's
like what a great leadershipprinciple.
Are we willing to just go outof our way for our customers,
for our employees, or are wejust, no, we're just going to be
(24:30):
here 9 to 5, 8 to 5, whatever,7 to 3, whatever and just do
what's got to be done and ifthere's something, just forget
it.
I'm not going out of my way todo anything, and they just told
me a lot about him, hischaracter, his integrity and his
organization, and I bet he's areally good person to work for.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah, and the first thing you're going to do is go
get a copy of that picture ofyou and your bride and you're
going to put that somewhere safein case you.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
It's on my dresser, so I won't lose it again.
There you go.
I don't want to ever lose mywallet again.
It's down to one or two thingswhen you travel now on the bike,
right, that's it.
That's it.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
As little as possible , it's a good story that you
ended up hitting the end of thatand finding that wall.
Yeah, that was very, very sad,because we were apprehensive on
that.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
I know it, I know it and so okay, so let's pick it up
back with Luke.
So this happened in Emmaus.
The guys go back, they run backto Jerusalem, they tell the
disciples what happened and then, all of a sudden, jesus just
appears in the room.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
And he says peace to you.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
So in the midst of their fear, in the midst of
their concern and they wereafraid for their life, I mean,
here the Romans had justcrucified their leader, right,
and so it's like we're probablynext.
So there was some fear, therewas a lot of anxiety, a
scaredness, and Jesus comes inand just says, hey, peace.
(26:00):
And so it's just like, wow,what a great leader.
He's just saying, hey, let'sjust calm down here, let's focus
.
And we see in the book ofMatthew he gives them the
mission about making disciples,but in this particular chapter,
jesus is just being present andcalming their fears.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Yeah, because ultimately, I mean, what it says
, you know, is he shows him hiswounds and he eats with them and
talks about the scripture andeverything, but then he
ultimately was there to givethem their mission, right?
You know what are you trying todo and that's where I sort of
brought you know, when you'retalking about the piece that he
brought in, there is, you know,a lot of times in a business
(26:44):
setting.
You know you got to settle thatanxiety, you know, before
giving that assignment, you knowwhy are we doing this?
Especially today's generation,they want to know the why behind
things, not just go do it.
You know generations have passed.
You know, go do it, all right,sir, I'll get it done.
But now it's a little bit ofwhy do you want to get it done?
What's the purpose behind this?
(27:05):
Where are we trying toaccomplish it?
And if you can give a littlebit more details, that's just
going to settle that anxiety andthat's, you know, it's going to
make the assignment a littlebit more focus-driven, you know,
and they'll have a little bitmore desire to do it.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah.
So let's talk about, as aleader, what can we do to lower
the level of anxiety in ourpeople?
Okay, and there's a list.
I won't share all of them, buthere's one of them A lack of
priorities.
If we don't have priorities, ifeach person doesn't know what
(27:42):
they're supposed to do today,tomorrow I mean they don't have
an A list, a B list, a C listthey're supposed to do today,
tomorrow, I mean they don't havean A list, a B list, a C list,
If they can just do whatever andthen they realize, oh, maybe
I'm not doing the right thing.
So I think one of the leader'sjob is to make sure everybody
knows that they have priorities,they have deadlines, they have
(28:04):
a timeline.
There's expectations, andsometimes we think that
expectations on people willcreate anxiety.
No, it doesn't.
It actually lowers anxiety.
So that's one of the things asa lack of priorities.
And then the other thing isthat there's creates anxiety is
if we feel we have to doeverything ourselves, and so
(28:28):
part of a leader's job, I think,is to create a team atmosphere.
So if you need help, you havepeople that you can go to to
actually help you with yourdeadline, your job.
Now I'm not saying hey, it's4.30 on Friday afternoon and
this was due before the end ofthe day and then you go to
(28:51):
somebody no, If you know youhave a deadline by 5 o'clock on
Friday, you might need to go tothem on Monday and say, hey, I
might need your help, Let mework on this.
Let's get together tomorrow ifyou have some time, or Wednesday
at the latest, so we can workon this.
Let's get together tomorrow ifyou have some time, or Wednesday
at the latest, so we can workon this together.
(29:12):
So if you're just kind ofwaiting for inspiration or
you're trying to do everythingyourself, that can just create a
lot of anxiety.
So those are just two thingsthat I think a good leader can
do to help lower anxiety intheir people.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Right.
I think that's great.
You know, and one of the thingsI pulled out of that in my
notes here is you know, when hewas doing, he said you are the
witness.
You are witnesses, go to allnations.
You know, and I pulled out ofthat as a leadership lesson of
leaders must define the why, thewhat and the who of the mission
, and I think that's one of thethings that Jesus did in this
(29:48):
time.
He sort of said here's whatwe're here to do and this is why
we're doing it.
And that's, you know, here'syour direction.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
And after the resurrection and right before
the ascension, in those 40 days,days, jesus was very good about
not condemning them for theirshock.
I mean, you know their shock.
(30:18):
Oh, what he said was actuallytrue.
You know he was saying hey, youknow, I told you this, this is
what's happened.
Now we go to the mission, let'sget after the mission, and I am
going to send you a helper,which we see in the book of Acts
, that's going to help you withthat mission.
And so you're right, they had amission, they had a what, they
(30:39):
had a why, and that's justreally, really good leadership.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
So the ascension right.
Did you pull any goodleadership out of that one?
And I know that we're runningdown here at the end of the show
and we got dad jokes to do Iunderstand right.
So one of the things that Ipulled out of the Ascension and
I just wanted to get it beforewe end the show is trust others
to carry the torch.
(31:05):
You know, he didn't, he didn'tover explain, he didn't hover,
he just he sort of left apromise and then he turned over
authority.
And then it's what I sort oftie into a lot of times.
I teach him my leadershipthings is, if somebody set the
point where we do this bigexercise, where we go through
all your people, depending on ifthey're in the stage where they
(31:26):
just need to be coached ortrained or they need supervision
, but if you hit the top thing,somebody that's being empowered,
and you've hit that point wherethey're empowered, you don't
want to micromanage, you want togive them the big picture, you
want to send them on the missionand then let them go and do
their own thing, let them learntheir lessons, give them full
power to sign on the dotted linefor your name.
(31:47):
And give them full power tosign on the dotted line for your
name.
And that's one of the thingsthat we try to do is trust
others to carry on, to be ableto do things right.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah, and so the steps of training others to be
leaders.
We've said this before, but I'mgoing to repeat it because this
is a really good topic.
So this is what happened inJesus he did it, they watched,
then they talked about it.
Okay, and then the next stepwas Jesus did it, then they
(32:17):
helped because he sent them out,you know, he sent them the 70,
he sent the disciples up two bytwo, and then they came back and
talked about it.
And then the next step is okay,you go do it and I help, and
then we talk.
And then you do and I watch andwe talk.
And now here is the point of theascension, where you're going
(32:40):
to go do it and someone else isgoing to watch, because it's not
just about you.
You need to be sure that you'retraining the next generation,
and that's what good leaders do.
They don't just train fortraining a person, they train
for generations.
So you want to train the nextperson so they can train the
(33:03):
next person, and that's whatJesus was doing, and that's just
great leadership, Greatleadership.
Yeah great, so we finished Luke.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
We finished Luke.
Wow, wow yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
That's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
That is great, that's really fantastic yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
So you had some dad jokes you wanted to share.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
No, mine were horrible.
I hadn't found any good ones.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
So what is a cow?
Speaker 1 (33:33):
You've got the master list.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, I do?
Speaker 1 (33:36):
He's got one, two, three, four, five six things in
front of him.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
He's ready to go.
So what is a cow's favorite TVshow?
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Oh, I think I've heard this one before, but I do
not remember it.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Grey's Anatomy.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
I've never heard that one.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Grey's Anatomy.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
I had not yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
And so you know I'm not really a fish.
I like to go fishing but I'mnot really a good fisherman.
I catch sticks and stumps okay.
But, when you catch a fish?
Why is it so easy to weigh fish?
Speaker 1 (34:20):
How?
Why is it so easy?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
to weigh fish.
To weigh fish?
Yes, yeah, I do not know,because they come with their own
scales.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
All right, I'll give you some of that A half a clap.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
We need to have like a half a clap.
I know.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
We need the like golf clap right.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yeah, that's what we need.
Yeah, exactly right.
And so we've said this before,but it's been many, many months
ago.
So what do you call a reluctantpotato?
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
A hesitator?
Yeah, okay, yeah Okay speakingyeah.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Okay, speaking of animals, I just got to get some
better stuff over here.
I'm going to do some show front.
Next time I'm ordering a wholebunch of bad dope books.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Why are pigs such bad drivers?
Speaker 1 (35:23):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Because they always hog the road.
I'll give you that one.
That was good.
I like that, okay.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Well, I think we're done.
See, you're just retired, youhave all this time to spend on
dad jokes.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
I have all this time, 25 hours a day.
I do show prep.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
I get everything that's done.
I got a lot of stuff on my side.
That's my excuse and I'msticking to it.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Next week I'll have some dad jokes, I will do some
stuff.
And John, we're talking aboutthe gospel of John.
John, what?
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Oh my goodness, you sure don't want to go back and
start Luke you know, do anotherfive weeks about Luke.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
We could do it.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yeah, I mean there's a lot of stuff that we could
have even went down a rabbithole here and kept going on it.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
But John 1, oh my goodness, john 1 is one, one of
the most brilliant let's justsay things ever written in human
history.
Awesome, just the very firstpart, the first 18 verses Just
incredible.
So anyway, yeah, so we lookforward to seeing you next week.
Tell some friends about theBiblical Leadership Show podcast
.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Yeah, yeah, hit us up there,
biblicalleadershipshowcom, checkus out, send us some dad jokes.
I need some dad jokes.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Send me some dad jokes, so I can have some
arsenal over here next week.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
I'm going to come prepared, I'm going to go and do
some show prep.
I'm going to have a few dadjokes.
I'll have a few hundreds.
Yeah, you got hundreds.
I do literally, yeah, literally.
Alright, dr Pete, take us out.
Hey, make it a great day, thankyou.
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