Ditch Surgery! Stem Cell Experts Reveal The Healing Power of Injections & Reverse Aging | S3, Ep 25. - The Big Dawgs: with Manning Sumner

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So three years ago they told me I got six months to live because
if I don't do some DLS, I'm gonna die.
And he was literally gonna remove my disk and put 6 screws
in my back and fuse the back. And then he was like, you know,
six months of rehab, you're going to be in a wheelchair for
three, you know, all this crazy stuff.

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So. Florida for orthopedic
conditions and pain that you canmarket stem cells and use them
regardless if it's FDA approved or not.
Again, this just happened, this is fresh news and we're just
wrapping our mind around it right now, but it's really going
to allow us to bring it to a lotmore people.
They just came out with this study with pedentary 50 year

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olds where they did one day a week of four minutes of Max
intensity and they reverse people's heart age to 35.
If you'd asked me 10 years ago if we could really live till 150
years, I would have said no. But now looking at my students
experiments, we can absolutely stop your aging now.
I think we could rewind it now. And I can see his silly face.

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He's just looking at the paper and he's see, shut up.
He said something wrong. I said what?
This is not a good blood work. The one you gave me the first
time or the one you gave me thisone.
Something is not good. Changing that blood work that
much is what take me about two to three years of treating

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people. And he did that in two weeks.
It was quite a. Maze, I'm Manning Sumner.
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Gentlemen, welcome to the Big dogs.
Thanks for having us. We got two big dogs.
Very obvious. 2 Doctor Big dogs.So I'm gonna let y'all introduce
yourselves, give a little littlebit of background just for the
audience. And yeah, we'll start with
Doctor Goodard. So my name is Sean Goddard.
I'm osteopath, started training back in 2003 at Nova

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Southeastern University in Fort Lauderdale.
That's what took me out of Tennessee where I got a biochem
degree, religious studies minor,mathematics minor.
And then I had a break before medical medical school and I
taught ballroom dancing. That was interesting, but it
taught me a lot about body mechanics and how if you do
something everyday, you can change your life.
And that was very emphatic is we'll go on into what I do

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today. And then I went to Med school.
I did AI, got hurt right before medical school and we'll go into
those other details later. But did a fellowship and
manipulation, did acupuncture training, trained in intravenous
therapy and the injections, regenerative injection, stem
cell, PRP and prolotherapy. And I did family medicine

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residency, but never worked a day in my life in that field.
Went straight out of training into my own practice.
And that's basically right when I met you, and that was about 15
years ago. So, you know, it's been a great
journey. Now have 4 practices, writing a
book right now and teaching conferences.
And just so you know, I love what I do and I'm happy that we

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get people better. And it's, it's great to see
that. Awesome Doctor Ross.
My name is Duncan Ross I and theCEO of Chimera Labs.
It says 27,000 square foot laboratory out in Miramar, FL.
It's just about 20 miles from here, 50 employees.
Whenever I see a great big warehouse like this, I get very
excited. That's my kind of thing.

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I make exosomes from mesenchymalstem cells.
I did that. It got into that because my
father had leukemia in 2004. I had been accepted to medical
school before that but didn't go.
Put myself back into Graduate School.
Got to PhD in biochemistry and then another one in immunology,
and then started my own lab whenI got out doing cellular
therapies. And so here we are now.

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I have FDA approval for intravenous administration for
clinical trials, and we're trying to bring those trials
through. But now there's a new law that
we're going to talk about today saying that stem cells are legal
in Florida. And I haven't had many providers
who utilize my exosomes quite asmuch as he does.
In fact, we were even friends before I knew he was using them.

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But his methods are pretty impressive.
Yeah, I'm a testament to that. So yeah, Well, let's talk about
it because I think I've often told people and to go to Sean
and then they're going to Tijuana or Colombia and all
these other places and I tell them, no, you can get the same

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thing here. So now we officially can get the
same thing here. So talk a little bit about what
they just passed and what that means to your practice.
So Florida, it was unanimous between the House, the Senate
and then the governor signed it that for orthopedic conditions
in pain that you can market stemcells and use them regardless if

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it's FDA approved or not. But they do require, if you
advertise it, you has to say in the same lettering, the same
font that it's non FDA approved.And then I'm going to, I'm going
to let Duncan talk about the nuances because the facilities
that we get them from have to have certain criteria.
They have to have certain obligations and certifications

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in order to make sure they're safe.
Because that's really what it comes down to.
You know, the FDA is trying to be safe and make sure people
don't get injured. But the states, I'm glad Florida
took this measure because maybe other states will do it because,
you know, they have their own way of making that safety
paradigm happen. And that's what happened this
month, literally. But I'll let you explain like

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what the facilities have to go through and then talk about how
in depth your facility is because I've visited lots of
places and and there's this talk.
It's interesting. I've spent over $100 million in
the last 10 years running the laboratory, trying to get FDA
approval, the characterization of the cell line, everything
that they make you do. Every time you think you're
done, they send you another two experiments you have to do to

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take you 2 years. And I've just been through that
and all this time got that approval, like I said, and just
when I was ready to start clinical trials on things like
orthopedics that he's doing, then the law passes.
It's very interesting. But on the bright side, I have
this characterized cell line that has the safety metrics.
And so the law requires that youhave FDA registration.

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Well, I've been inspected 3 times by the FDA that you be
accredited by the AABB, AmericanAssociation of Blood Banks,
which I am, and that you can demonstrate that the product is
a life safe and and I can do that too.
So again, this just happened. This is fresh news and we're
just wrapping our mind around itright now, but it's really going

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to allow us to bring it to a lotmore people.
That's amazing. It's so exciting because you
know, you know, all of us that were on the line years ago when
we advertised it and then our lawyers at some point go, you
better take everything down now we can put that stuff back.
Up tell a little bit about that,because that was frustrating.
Also, I mean, I know for you because it was you had to kind

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of like you weren't doing anything wrong, but they made
you feel like you were. So how did that?
Yeah, well, it goes back into mybackground a little bit, you
know, cuz I was a biochemistry major and I didn't go as far as
Doctor Ross did. But you know, I worked in labs,
I worked at Oak Ridge National Lab, I worked in cell line
laboratory work at a level 1 trauma center in Tennessee.

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So when stem cells and PRP came around, it just made sense to me
because you have to understand concentrations.
You have to understand how what's that piece of equipment
that can take the cell and look at it on the screen?
The D storm. Microscope, not just a
microscope, but the the one thatit separates all the nuclei on
anyway you can see every part ofa cell on this thing and these

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machines are hundred $200,000 todo and then these companies come
out with PRP. They're like, oh, we can
separate all your cells I'm like, no, you can't it's
impossible. And so luckily, you know I'm a
critical mind. So I sat there and I wanted to
find the best PRP. And then when product started
coming out, stem cell lines likewhat Duncan does now, same

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thing. Some of the companies were pure.
You don't you want to be close to them.
And there's a company where somebody went to jail already
because of those things. Actually, there's a couple
companies. Oh, more than once.
See, I didn't even know that. I mean, if you hurt somebody,
you're going to get in trouble right now.
And 500,000 people, we haven't had an adverse event.
He doesn't have adverse events. These people get better.

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All of that matters. And, and you have to look at the
FDA is regulating you, but there's also the judicial
system. If somebody sues you and has
credible ability to shut you down, then you'll be shut down.
The judge doesn't care what the FDA says.
The judge wants to see whether you're safe or not, right?
And so he has that background and he's that's, I have that
background and I've had competitors sue me.
But when we get to the judge andwe have all the background since

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OK, they're fine and. What, what is the, the main
differentiation between all these people going to like these
clinics and Medellin and Tijuanaand things like that?
And where people say, I mean, I just saw another one in Costa
Rica and all this stuff like why?
Why are people going there? Well, I'll start advertising for

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one because I had one of them, somebody that physical therapist
that refers me, a lot of people,he's like, look, you don't have
anything on your website talkingabout this and they're looking
at Panama, Tijuana. They could actually talk about
it, right? Number 1/2, what they can do
over there that we can't do here.
They can take a placental cell and culture expand it and get

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100 million cells. We can't do that here.
Now you can do what he's doing and take the cell and get the
exosome out of it. But but for IV stuff, OK, you
know what it not not as big of adeal whether I don't know, I
don't know your take on it, but there's big arguments in the
field whether cells or exosomes purely.

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There's benefits to both and andyou have to be able to wrap your
mind around it. And he has that experience.
I have that experience. We can expand those cells now as
per this law that's. So we can't do that now.
Yes, that's right. OK, so the new I'm.
Telling you this is so fresh that he hasn't even wrapped it.
Yeah, but he's right that the advertising is what it was.

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And you know, some of the big ones, Panama, for instance, you
mentioned Neil Riordan. He's an American PhD.
He went down there because he said, I want to do this.
And the FDA kicked him out of Texas and and, you know, he's
had great success. Actually, I was gambling with
him the other day and he was thrown out.
Well, correct me if I'm wrong. A lot of the scientists that
started other places came from Panama.
Yeah, Like he he was the pioneerand they came back out of that.

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Right. So, so yeah.
So with these things, it's funny.
You've always thought about Florida and I was born here and
I'm half Latin, so I can say this.
You always thought of Florida asa third world, right?
And people were going to 3rd world to get their stem cells.
Well, now people can come. Here they can come to the third
world. Yeah.
Well, Miami's never been like, you know, part of the US So
that's what I'm exactly, exactly.

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Well, then doing musculoskeletalcompared to do an IP, so it's a
lot different too. And I'm sure we'll talk about,
you know, your back and where you went through with this
because a lot of people say I'm going to, I'm going to fix your,
your shoulder tear, your labrum tear, arthritis.
And I'm going to give you an IV.I'm going to give you
intramuscular. Well, it helps overall

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inflammation and you may feel better, but that's not fixing
the injury. There was a, a professional
player, he went overseas, he tore up his knee, went overseas,
did IV felt from that phenomenal. 2 games later,
completely destroyed his knee and had to have complete
reconstruction because it wasn'ta direct injection to try to fix
that tissue. And, and that's the nuance of

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what we do. And that's where you know, I've
been trying to get across that point and it's taken me 15 years
really. I've, I've been giving lectures
in the past few years and reallyrefining my thought process and
even trademarked a procedure term to try to differentiate us.
And it's called the prolograph procedure.
And that's the all-encompassing comprehensive way to inject a

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joint, a back, whatever it mightbe.
Now there's three ways to injectfor a musculoskeletal.
There's joint injections, there's spot injections, which
are, hey, is that hurt here? Let's inject there.
There's one tendon injury here. So let me inject that.
Or we say, well, what caused these injuries?
What was the instability? We need to get the micro tissue,
the, the capsule, the ligaments,the connective tissue, we need

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to strengthen that and injector injuries.
And that's where I've really evolved my thinking into that.
And then we we say, what do we inject?
That's where we are now. The delivery is what he's got.
For instance, my girlfriend broke her clavicle.
You know, he grew that bone backusing my product but delivering

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it where it needed to be delivered.
Yeah. I think that's the biggest
difference that I always try to tell people when it comes to
what Sean does versus other doctors is, is the the way he
injects it's talk a little bit about that because you're you're
kind of a savant when it comes to that.
Yeah, when we first started, it was your voodoo and that.

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Yeah, now at least it's turning into more mainstream.
Exactly. Exactly.
Well, so there's three parts to success when it comes to
injuries and injecting stem cells, PRP, whatever it might be
regenerative wise. And the first is the technique
of the injection. OK.
Are you putting the needle in the right place?
2 is the product, is the productgood?

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Is it great actually? And then the third, the smaller
part, but there is a portion of the person's body that their
chemistry, whether they have toxins, genetics that I've seen
some people not have the reaction that I would have
expected. But let's go back to the first
because the technique is the keyfactor in most things.

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And I came out of prolotherapy. So right before medical school,
one month before I got hit in the face, knocked my teeth
backwards, had to have them wired together, start having a
headache. Never had pain in my life.
Now I'm having headaches like this and this 24 hours a day.
And after the prescription of hydrocodone wore out, I was
like, well, let me, let me pop something else.
So I was taking 12 Motrin a day.And then I went to medical

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school and all of a sudden then I'm in the classroom.
So basically 8 till 5 or 6. And then I'm studying and then
I'm not sleeping because of the pain.
I'm popping these, I'm hurting my stomach.
And I went the complete traditional route out.
I went through physical therapy and went to maxillofacial
surgeons, went to dentist, let him shave my teeth down.
And my pain was still there, hadinjections, all kinds of stuff.

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And finally, four months in, I went to an osteopathic school.
Well, somebody said you need to try this manipulation.
They have a clinic here. I went in and there's an older
doctor that had done cranio sacral for 50 years.
And for the first time without medicine after that day, I had
no pain for 24 hours. Well, that started me to think,
well, why, you know, why don't we hear about this?

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Why didn't any of the surgeons tell me about this?
The dentist? So I came from that same
critical mindset that people arecoming from now.
And I won't go into the full story.
I have it other places. But you know, I went through
that process. I had injections into my jaw,
started with prolotherapy, and then it went into PRP and stem
cell, and then I had acupuncture.
Those were the three things thatgot me better.

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And so I made a decision in my mind, I want to learn those
three things as good as I can toget people the best, best
portion of health and, you know,to take their pain away
naturally. And so prolotherapy is the
original injection technique that I learned in order to do
things properly. It started nearly 100 years ago

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with the Society of Herniologists and they treated
hernias with a, a substance in order to grow the tissue back
without surgery. And then it got into the
injections for pain. 1937, the 1st documented case of
publishing in prolotherapy for the TMJ was done in JAMA out of

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all places. But why isn't that out there?
It never, it never took on. There were books written about
this in the 1950s and now it's been amplified.
And then as as the biologics came out, it made more sense.
PRP stem cell people can relate.PRP came out of heart surgery
and dentistry. It would heal open heart
surgeries faster and then dentistry, it could help the

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bone grow faster. But the prototherapy technique
was the theory that the whole joint is the instability of the
joints. The problem then we have to
inject your injuries as well. Then you get better long term
results. So I took that philosophy and I
went to, even in medical school,I started taking courses and
then when I got out, I found guys that I thought were the

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best and I spent months with them.
You know, they were doing these injections since the 1970s.
And I saw people getting out of wheelchairs and you know, other
kind of crazy things with chemicals only.
And we'll kind of talk about that with your back a little bit
because that's what I started with, right?
But now that we have PRP and stem cell, we can get better
results without as much of the, the headache and pain that we

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went through. So that technique.
So if if we had a shoulder injure, I'd be injecting along
the front of the capsule in labrum, the top, the back.
I'd also inject the rotator cufftendons and muscles and the
joint itself. And it creates a lot more
inflammation, a lot more pain. And the recovery feels like a
surgery. I mean, you just went through
your shoulder with it and, and it's kind of frustrating
sometimes. Yeah.

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But that if if you are patient enough, the healing effect
happens because you go through acute inflammation for two weeks
that goes down, then you go to end of tissue remodeling and
your body builds new tissue. And that can take 6 months, a
year, even 2 years. With some of the stem cell
research, they showed that the Tcells that we want in the body,

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they get activated and they're active for two years after.
And so you get lasting effects with these products, which we
never had before. But the other part of the
technique that makes my stuff very unique, which people don't
like, is when I go in, I'm not just let me look at the
ultrasound and and put it right there and take it out.

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Well, we need to do that. But I go down to the bone and a
lot of times what I feel, I feelscar tissue.
Well, that scar tissue builds up.
Why? Because pieces of tissue have
torn away and now it restricts that tendon, the joint, whatever
might be. So we need to break it up.
So part of my technique is goingin and breaking it up and people

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don't like it because it's painful.
But if you want best long term results, this is what you do.
But I've also realized some people just don't want to do
that, right? So I take a step back and I go,
hey, we can do a joint injection.
You know, the results aren't going to be as good, but we can
or we can. If you just want a spot that
wants to be injected, fine, we can do that too.
I mean, me and Doctor Morris runour office and we're both MSK

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experts. We don't both are ultrasound
experts, diagnostic and injecting and we have spine
people come in our office to do disk injections and epidurals
and other things. And we've, we've had so many
things we've been able to fix and you know, and I say fix, but
it's not us fixing it. When we put the needle
somewhere, we're not fixing anything.
We're telling the body to bring the blood flow over here and

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heal it itself. Whatever we put with that needle
injection, it amplifies the response of the of our
treatment. So, you know, not everybody can
afford stem cells. So if we do prolotherapy with
dextrose, we'll get our amplified response to some
degree, but not as much as the others.
You know, in general, the hierarchy, if we had to put it

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there, PRP is 3 times stronger than prolotherapy and stem cell
products, whether it be exosomes, amniotic tissue,
connective tissue, bone marrow, adipose cells, MSCS.
They're three times stronger than PRP.
That's how I think about it whenI'm looking at a patient and
deciding how I'm going to treat them.

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And then getting the right products is the other part.
And if people are willing to, I love IV therapy.
Anything has a needle. I'm probably doing it and, and
we'll do Ivs to get the body ready for this, right.
And you know, like vitamin C is a great examples.
It, it is necessary to make connective tissue.
So why, if you're injured, why aren't you on vitamin C?
And most people just don't, don't get into this stuff.

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But there are many more things, but that's that's a nutshell of
how I think when I I look at a patient.
Doctor, talk a little bit about like where you are today in
hearing this news and now where your brain goes of like what's
next. Well, my brain has been
scrambled because if you think for 11 years I've been making

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something with a goal and and repeatedly, right.
So every when I got my FDA approval, I had to compare the
lot I made today to the lot I made in 2016 and show that it
was the same and comparability. Now all of a sudden you're
saying that I should have 30 million extra dollars in my bank
account because it's legal. But yeah, it's not really like
that. I wouldn't have the trust of
people like this if I hadn't done all that, right.

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So, so now you know, I, I also, we were just chosen as one of
the top teams in the X prize. So that required that I rewind
your aging. Well, you know, I was going to
have to do that in the Bahamas and I, I had the clinic there
set up to do that. Well, now you ask yourself,
well, it looks like I can do it here.
And you know, so we, we'll call that I had grown up as a

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professional tennis player. I stopped playing and over 20-30
years, I kind of lost my timing by doing this X prize protocol,
which involves focused ultrasound to the hypothalamus,
exosomes IV. Suddenly I started noticing I
could do things like I could jump up and down off my boat
without slipping. Then I saw a saddle horse and I
thought, hey, I think you can jump over that, which, you know,

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I don't jump over anything. I haven't jumped a long time.
And I cleared it. And when I cleared it, I
thought, well, maybe I can play tennis.
And so I went out to a clinic and and I hit it and, you know,
they didn't even charge me for it because, you know, I was like
having another pro there, which I haven't been able to do in a
long time. So just amazing what can be
done. And that's just with Ivs.
That was just with Ivs. But we've been so restricted,

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right? I have all this anecdotal
evidence from him just because of what we've done over 10 years
right now. Look now look at what we're
going to be able to figure out, you know, and dosages and, and,
and methods of application like he's talking about.
So it's just scary what we can bring you back to.
And actually don't take it from me.
There's a, there's a guy named David Sinclair, he's a Harvard

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professor and he has a Yamanaka factor pill he thinks he's going
to come out with. But again, he's got to get that
FDA approved. And he said, if you'd asked me
10 years ago if we could really live till 150 years, I would
have said no. I just as a credible scientist,
I'm not going to say that. But now looking at my students
experiments, looking at what we're doing, I, I'm absolutely
saying that. And, and my little catch phrase

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have been 300 years. I'm, I'm turning 50 this year,
so I'm going to call it my 300thbirthday.
That's in two weeks. But you know, if he's saying
that to 150 and I'm saying that I've already seen your
epigenetic changes go down in patients we've treated and I
haven't been able to optimize ityet.
We've just done what we've done.You know, the sky is really the

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limit. Talk to us ten years from now.
So I think we can absolutely stop your aging now.
I think we can rewind it now, and I think we're gonna live a
long time and healthy, right? That's amazing.
Well, to amplify that point, if people would have known me, you
probably don't remember what I look like.
And I'm glad you don't think like that.
But my friends have known me forever.

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They go, Sean, every. We saw you change every five
years and lately it's been even more emphatic, like every year
my patients come and go. You look way younger now than
you did last year. And at the beginning it was
because I did chelation. I did, I did vitamin therapy,
then I got into ozone therapy, then I got into stem cell and

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exosomes and I, and I've done probably 1500 Ivs on myself.
And then I decided I was feelingaches and pains myself.
So two years ago I was like, I want to check my whole body.
So I had three doctors in the room.
They, I had anesthesia, put me to sleep and they did 400
injections in my body. And you know, once you believe.
In with the exosomes. Well, I mixed exosomes and

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amniotic tissue or connective connective tissue, it's pieces
of tissue. And then add the exosomes to get
all the more, we'll call them generic.
And growth factors amplify the response.
And you know, because once you believe in this, you know, like
he said, what if longevity is doing things and like people
like Davis Sinclair, you have todo something.
And you have to work out. We cannot just give you an

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injection and you're going to live.
No, you have to put give what we're giving you to to the test.
Basically nothing's going to happen.
So what are you going to? I never heard that story.
What 400? What are you going to call that?
It's got to have a name. If you want the ultimate
experience, OK, I got to come uphere.
It'll be Prograph Plus. But no, I have a we have a speed

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up version of it. Yeah, it's phenomenal.
I'll have to show it to you because everybody's like, how?
Long did it take? 4 hours, wow.
I was under for four hours and but I did my entire spine.
So I had some big things going on too.
I didn't do it just, you know, nowadays that's I'd do it just
because. But back then I had five
herniations in my neck. I was getting tightness.

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I didn't have any radiating, butI, I couldn't, I couldn't move.
I was uncomfortable, I was getting headaches.
I was tight. I was like, this is just not
fun. And then, so I had somebody do 5
disc injections and then we did 40 injections in the cervical
spine, even all the way at that C1 vertebra.
And then my entire spine all theway down.
I had something called via disc injected into my lumbar disc,

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which is a dehydrated cadaver disc material, one of the best
things we've ever seen. And it gives space back to that
vertebra. And then I had my, my hips, my
both wrists, both elbows, shoulder, knees, feet, you name
it. Even sexual Wellness.
I had that done. Even hair.
I did everything. I was like, why not?
I'm on, so go for it. So this is the ultimate

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experience. If you want to get better, you
know, we spend a month at my clinic and, and we'll probably,
we'll put you through the wringer, but you're going to
look healthier and younger than you ever have before.
Come get your penis injected at Doctor Goddess.
So what happened to you now that?

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Yeah, so I met Sean. The reason why he's sitting here
is I was in an elevator at Quantum on the Bay walking MY2
pit bulls and I was coming out and he was like, you're hurt.
And I was looked behind. I was like, what?
And he's like, is your back hurt?
And I was like, yeah, how'd you know that?
And he's like, I could tell by the way you're walking.

(26:57):
Come up and stick his thumb in your back.
Yeah, he's always, he's always touching.
Yeah. And and he's like, and I told
him, you know what was going on and he said I can fix you.
And at that time I was in 24 hour pain.
So like if I was sitting right here, I'd have shooting pain
going from my right hip all the way down to my toes like

(27:18):
constantly. And the only I tell people all
the time, the only time I wasn'tin pain was working out, having
sex or sleeping. Those are the only three type of
things. And unfortunately you can't
really do all of those all the time.
So I used to tell them all the time.
I was like, if somebody had a pill would be, you know,
whatever happens when we have sex, then we'd all not be in

(27:39):
pain. But yeah, I think it's oxytocin.
But but. We we can get the the troch.
Yeah, I know, right? So he literally came over to my
apartment that night and he injected my spine.
I think he did like 50 somethinginjections.
It was a lot. Yeah, it was a lot.
And I mean, needles are this long and it was like volcanic

(28:00):
ash or something crazy, you know?
It was old, old school prolotherapy that I learned from
these guys and it and it works, but I'll let him finish it.
Yeah, and so, you know, he tellsme he's like, look, you're going
to hate my guts in the morning. Like you're going to feel worse
than you ever have. And I'm thinking to myself, I'm
in 24 hour pain, so there's no way I can feel worse.

(28:21):
Sure enough, I wake up the next day and I felt like death, like
hell, like my, I could barely move.
I was like in so much, you know,it created so much inflammation.
Shot call him up and I'm like, what the hell did you do to me?
You weren't quite saying that. Custom out basically.
Oh. Yeah, he's like.
And remember, he's a stranger, so we don't even know each

(28:42):
other. So I was like, what the hell did
you do to me? And, and he, you know, the cool
thing about Sean is he, he was very calm, very understanding.
And he was just like, listen, I hear you.
I totally understand. He goes, give it three days.
He goes, trust me, give it 3 days.
And it was really just the, the way he reacted to my madness.
I was like, I listened and I waslike, OK, and I kid you not, on

(29:06):
exactly on day three, zero pain,like no pain.
And not only that, I was like, you know, moving.
I was like, hey, you know, I waslike, and, and I'm super
athletic and at the time I was into martial arts.
So I mean, I literally, I mean that was the stupid part is I
just, I was like, I'm free, you know, I was like, so I just

(29:26):
dumped, jumped right back into being me.
And it lasted for about a year and a half, I think, and then
probably. Well, we did 3.
Just a reminder, we did 3 procedures, OK fairly close
together in the beginning, but step back a minute and tell
everybody about what the surgeon.
Said, well, yeah, and this is how.
Many surgeons, you said. Yeah.
So what's interesting about thisis, is that I had already

(29:49):
scheduled surgery. So I believe I met Sean in July
around there and I had set, I had scheduled surgery for August
18th. I'll never forget it, 'cause it
was a month after my birthday. And, and the reason why I did is
'cause I went to all these orthopedic surgeons.
I, I just was in constant pain. I was like, I, I just kind of

(30:10):
like, was like, I have to do this now.
And he was literally going to remove my disc and put 6 screws
in my back and fuse, fuse the back.
And then he was like, you know, six months of rehab, you're
going to be in a wheelchair for three, you know, all this crazy
stuff. So I, I mean, to this day, I, I,
I tell people that, you know, Sean, he didn't save my life.

(30:34):
He saved my quality of life, youknow, like, I truly believe,
like I'm forever in debt to him for, for saving my quality of
life because I would not be where I am today.
If, if I would have done surgery, I, I probably would be
addicted to pain kill killers and, and probably losing my
mind. So.
Well, in that surgeon he wasn't some guy in the a shack.

(30:56):
He he was well known. No, I mean, it was, it was the
top surgeon at Miami, you know, spine surgeon in Miami that told
me that. And and it was really, it was
interesting because I got interviewed by the the girl
that's helping Sean with his book.
And she was like, you know, did you call the doctor after Sean
fixed you? And I said, you know, no,

(31:17):
because I was actually pissed off that he would even suggest
that for someone that was at thetime, I think I was 34 years
old, you know, and I, and I toldhim who I was.
I told him that I trained professional athletes.
I work out hard. I'm a former college football
player. I'm doing mixed martial arts.
Like I told him all that. So for him to suggest to do that

(31:40):
surgery and basically debilitatemyself for the, for the
remainder of my life was, was insane.
It was insane. So I, it was just a blessing.
And then and then, yeah, so we did a couple other treatments
and I was just feeling awesome and probably did a little too
much and hurt it again, but not not as bad.

(32:01):
And then then he would do PRP and then I would go back and be
crazy and then he would do again.
And then and then that lasted a few.
Days of business man and. Then finally, like when I turned
probably like 40 something, I was like, all right, you know,
And we did this. We did the bio disc and and that

(32:22):
one was really tough. That was a crazy procedure.
I literally, he said 90% of people go under.
And of course I decided to stay awake.
So I'm sitting there and like, it felt like a bowling ball
going through my spine. And the doctor, he kept saying
over and over again. He kept saying.
Little pressure, little pressure.

(32:44):
And literally and literally I was like, say little pressure
again, motherfucker. I was like, I was like, give me
a call. I was like, it is not little
pressure. It was the craziest pressure.
I mean, I literally thought thata bowling ball was going through
my spine because he was putting like that much liquid in a space
this big. He was sweating and I could feel
his sweat drops on my back, you know, because I didn't have a

(33:08):
shirt, like I could feel his sweat because he's jamming the
nail. Like, you know, the, the, the,
the needle in me. And it was wild.
And, and then, you know, he's like, okay, we're done.
How do you feel? And I, and I couldn't feel my
legs and I'm like, Oh my God, what has this guy done to me?
And and then he's like, oh, it'll come back.
And then like 15 minutes later Icome back.
Then I drive myself home, which is not smart again.

(33:31):
And and then they, they told me they were like, look, it's going
to take 30 days before you feel good again.
And 30 days happened and I felt like shit.
And what it was, it was my legs felt super heavy.
Like it was like I was having towalk like, like they were like
400 lbs and I was getting very frustrated.

(33:51):
And then day 38 it was the same thing, you know, like with Sean
day 38, I was like light and I woke up and I was like, oh, and
then, and then I felt great. And that actually has lasted
pretty much until today. I, I did have a little hiccup
because I have been taken off ofmy shoulder so much.

(34:13):
I started doing a little bit more legs.
Legs, yeah. And then I started getting that
like weird numbness again. So that kind of freaks me.
Out and this is a good point. I mean, you know, when you start
getting severe, anything in the body, in my shoulder, knee,
whatever. In your case of spine, you know,
if you want to be very aggressive with your workouts
and activity, then we have to bevery aggressive with what we do.

(34:36):
And, and that's why we always had to keep doing stuff every so
often because he'd take his 100 LB dumbbells and walk across or
do the sand pit. And but finally, when we end up
getting to stem cell, he's, I mean, you basically had
everything that I do. I don't think we've done, bone
marrow or no, we have. No, we did bone marrow with Rudy
Gay. Adipose.

(34:56):
It was adipose. Yeah, it was Adipose.
Yeah, Yeah, cuz. Yeah, no, it wasn't bone marrow,
right? Yeah, it was the fat thing.
Yeah. You were like, I can't get
enough fat out of here. Oh man, it's tough on thin
people. Muscular.
Look at what you said there though.
So they said 30 days and on day 38, look at how good we're
getting at this. You know how hard is to find
people that have that much experience that can tell you

(35:17):
that I have patients that just doesn't not to pertinent to
this, but she her period stoppedfour months ago.
They said, listen, I can get that back.
How do you know? Because I've made ten children
already with people that were not fertile.
I gave her injections. She says when will I get my
period back? I said 7 days. 6 1/2 days later
she called me. I just got my period back.
Whoa. OK.

(35:37):
I know treated 500,000. People just exactly, you know,
that's such a that's such a great point, you know right and
also so comforting, right, because you know, like, yeah, it
happened 8 days later, but it's still it happened within the
time frame that he told me and, and it made it make sense like
oh OK. And then also too, I think it's
great for for referrals, right? Like now I'm a testimony where I

(36:01):
can tell people like you're like, look, this is the real
deal. Like you're going to go in,
they're going to do this and no,it's not going to happen
overnight, but 30 to 45 days, you're going to actually start
to feel better. And, and he just did my shoulder
and he also said very similar things.
He's like, look, you're going tofeel like crap for two weeks.

(36:22):
And I did, I felt like shit for two weeks.
And then right at about day 17, it started to feel a little bit
better. And so I would do light, you
know, I'm doing light workouts, Promise, promise, promise.
And it still feels like crap, but we'll we'll inject it again.
Well, and his shoulder, we've never injected a shoulder.

(36:42):
So when we did it, if you've seen videos online, there's
holes in his tendons. Like it's bad.
It's not, it's not. It's really bad.
So I already told him before we started today, like we're
injecting it again. Yeah, well, So what if, what if
the 45 year year old came in to you and they just want a
longevity treatment now, what would the treatment be?
And then what would the workout be that they need?

(37:03):
How much they don't want to comein and work out every day?
How much effort do they need to put in?
Do you say? So twice a week for.
For what? For what?
Like what's that? For longevity for.
OK. So that's a great question and I
think it's awesome that you saidlike they don't want to work out
every day because that's a that's a just one longevity, you

(37:24):
know, that's a common thing. And I think a lot of people have
this misconception that you do have to work out every day or
you have to work out for two hours a day.
And they just came out with thisstudy.
And I'm obviously stinging this off of another podcast.
I think it might have been Huberman or one of those people,
you know, but they did a study with sedentary 50 year olds

(37:44):
where they did one day a week offour minutes of Max intensity.
So 90%, you know, heart rate or more with three minute moderate
intensity. So more like a 40 to 60% heart
rate. 4 sets one day a week for 12 weeks and they reverse

(38:09):
people's hearts heart age to 35.That's amazing.
Yeah. And that's all they did a little
bit of resistance training as well.
But as far as the cardiovascularprotocol, that was it.
And I thought that was fascinating.
And actually I got, I started toget my dad and myself and we
started doing it. And what's interesting for me is

(38:29):
I started doing that protocol and then if if you know, these
young kids will ask me, you know, jump in.
So I'll I'll put some of these 20 year olds through a workout
and I crush them, you know, and I don't really do that much
cardio, but it's just I can tellI'm cardiovascularly in shape
because of that one day a week of and I think what we're

(38:50):
learning about, and I wish I would have known this years ago.
What we're learning about like especially about fitness is it's
less is more. It's, it's like not, it's, it's
consistency over intensity, but in that moment that you're
committed to doing it, be as intense as possible for, for
that particular protocol. And, and it sucks.

(39:12):
It's kind of like, like, you know, the injections, they,
they're not fun, but it's like getting yourself super
uncomfortable for 4 minutes or there's different protocols.
There's also epoch training where you can go as absolutely
hard as you can for 30 seconds and then rest 2 the four minutes
and do 6 to 8 sets of that. So it's really this high

(39:34):
intensity all out mats workout, but it's not long.
But it but it has to suck is thethe thing you know, So yeah.
And then the combination, I would say the Ivs right and and
then obviously taking it a step further with the.
Exercise. I want to build that X prize out
like that. You go see him.
I do my tests before you see him.

(39:55):
Then afterwards I send them to you and you you make sure that
they do that for three. Months like we got to get a we
got to get a VO2 Max like testerhere.
I think that's we're really learning that that's a a real
indicator of longevity. So I think that would be
something smart we could implement here and and then like
basic. Strength tests, like farmers

(40:15):
walk with your body weight, you know, for a minute to two
minutes, a dead hang, like can you hold your body weight up for
one to two minutes? All those kind of little things
actually determine longevity now, like we're learning that
so. Well, you may remember hand
strength. I mean, that's been the.
Grip strength this one. The grip strength is interesting

(40:37):
because it's not only longevity,it's also like for athletes,
it's like their power like like your grip strength is directly
related to your punching power or your or your throwing power.
Is that like an electric thing or is it like what my dad used
to have? Little Spring.
Yeah, I still have had it too. I actually gave myself like
tennis elbow because I was doingit so much and.

(40:58):
We have to inject that. Yeah, and he had to inject that.
So I was literally at the desk like, just like trying to be
Popeye, like, you know, so. Yeah.
Well, that leads us into peptides too.
I mean, he was doing peptides before I saw them in our
conferences, right. And.
I've been like a funny person when it comes to like

(41:19):
supplements. If I see anybody talk about a
supplement, I I find it and thenI try it myself.
Like I've been doing that since I was like 15 years old.
Your problem with me, I can't tell the difference.
I'm taking stuff on. Yeah.
So yeah. You.
Need to do that high intensity, yeah, yeah.
But, and so peptides, I was talking to Sean about peptides

(41:41):
before he even knew what they were.
So how does NAD work? Will you take NAD?
How does it help your workouts? I think for me, the NAD for me,
it's, it's more like so I, I've always believed that there's a
direct correlation between mind,body and spirit.
Like it's all like the same likeas far as like it all, like when

(42:02):
you're the best mentally and you're the best spiritually,
then you're the body's going to be the best.
And then vice versa, when your body's the best, then that
helps. Like it all talks to each other.
So for me, the NAD it, it just does something where I'm just
clear. There's no brain fog.
There's no, there's, there's no like, you know, some days you

(42:23):
just fill up, you just feel kindof off.
So for the nad the next day, I don't feel off at all.
I feel like the, my best self and it gives me that extra like
kind of I, I don't like the wordenergy because I think that's
associated with like, you know, caffeine or something, But it's
more of like a sense of well-being that goes beyond

(42:46):
that, that caffeine feeling. It's, it's a, it's more of a, of
a, like a clarity. And then whenever to me,
whenever you're, you have this clarity of mind, you're just
able to push through and, and, and motivate yourself to, to go
for it. When it comes to working out, I
don't know. Well, and I like to categorize
it. What does NAD do?
Is this mitochondrial stimulator, right?

(43:07):
And then I think what else does that?
Well, methylene blue can do that.
And then even ozone has obviously direct pathway with
oxygen to the mitochondria, but we've seen it affect the NAD
pathway. And what I typically see is that
clarity of mine. And, and that's how I separate
when I'm thinking about Ivs. What, how, how do we categorize

(43:27):
them, right? I mean, they, they can be, I
think mitochondrial stimulators if you just want to come in and
you don't want to do any testing.
OK, we need some basic blood work to get started.
Well, we're going to do NAD. We're going to do methylene
blue. We're going to do ozone.
Why? Because I know that's going to
make you better. And you're going to either play
better as an athlete or you're going to function better as a
person at work, at home, whatever it might be.

(43:49):
What? What was it?
What was the very first stem cell IV we did together?
The name of it? No, just the type.
Was it exosomes? Or no, no, the very first one
was mezenchymal stem cells. And, and yeah, I like, I went to
sidebar here for a minute because everybody calls it a
stem cell. And I've never, I don't know if
I've really talked to you about this, but there was a researcher

(44:11):
that coined the term mezenchymalstem cell.
His name was a PhD, Arnold Kaplan case Western University
and super smart guy. But in 2017, through his
research, he goes, you know what?
It's not really a stem cell, it's a signaling cell because we
found that this cell in the body, it doesn't become a new
piece of tissue, a new tissue. It releases something called an

(44:32):
exosome, growth factor exosome and that is what signals your
tissue specific stem cells to work.
And unfortunately the word stem cell got started in the 90s so
everybody wants to call it that.I don't know if you agree.
With me, I'm going to call it a stem cell, yeah.
OK. Yeah, because.
Well, I think personally, I think it carries more weight

(44:55):
when you call it a stem. Cell, that's what you're talking
about. I call bullshit.
No, no, he's got a point. But, and the issue is that when
you're growing, that's absolutely a stem cell, it is
controlling the growth of all the cells around you.
What he's saying is when you take those cells, just inject
them into the knee, they're not going to change into cartilage,

(45:18):
but they will signal still the cells around you to make
cartilage be made. So it's, and that's how I,
that's why I transferred dexasomes.
I, I didn't know anything about exosomes. 2014 Nobody did
either. I was doing cells, but I started
seeing in my cultures that just the secretions the exosomes were
doing, doing the same, if not better than the cells.

(45:38):
I started testing that in humanswith COPD and seeing better
outcomes with just the exosomes.So it's it's definitely and
that's why he changed the name to Medicinal Signaling Scale.
But if you take a fibroblast or some other cell, it's not going
to signal any regeneration. So it's definitely working as a
stem cell, but through signaling.

(45:59):
The reason why I brought it up is the the and.
It's never happened to me since,but the very first time we did
whatever you want to call it, stem cell Ivi.
Literally. Have you ever seen the the movie
Limitless? Yeah, so many people say.
Oh, you say? The next day.
The next day. I swear to God, I felt like
that. Yeah.

(46:19):
And it only lasted for one day, right?
But, I mean, I call Shawn. I was like, what the hell did
you do to me? Like I woke up.
His pain went away. Everything.
I woke up like, like, like, likeI was Frank.
Like I came out of bed and I waslike, I was like, I was like
literally they're like, it was wild.
I felt like. Superman And who knows that I'm
going to ask you, is that all you focus?

(46:39):
This is how I figured out the dosage of stem cells.
Xanax. OK, That's all you felt.
Did you feel anything else? Wow, that already.
So, yeah, we had this doctor on and we were talking about
nocturnal erections, right? And he was like, that's a that
he, his explanation was that that is a measurement to

(47:01):
longevity. That's like the longer you have
a nocturnal erection, which by the way, sometimes when it wakes
you up, it's it's in your wife'sasleep.
It's not fun. It's not.
Fun. We need something we're.
Gonna need you to wake up. So you're where's the melatonin
when? I started doing this, I'd give
the guy only a million cells, saw what it was again 7,000,021

(47:22):
and then I started seeing and that was the outcome that they'd
say say I'm waking up erect whenI wasn't before.
So the number of exosomes that are A5ML Luxor Plus is the
number of exosomes that set that21 million cells secrete such
that a man will wake, start waking up a wreck.
That's how I came up with the dose.
OK. And it's so strong that I don't
do it every month because of what you just said.

(47:43):
I do it every three months. Yeah, I do it every month.
I'm like, what are you doing, man?
I already dealt with you, you know.
It's like a wind hits it and you're like.
So, yeah, so when he starts doing all these things,
methylene blue NAD, you know that is a marker.
Yeah. And Brian Johnson who use our
exosomes too, he wears a doughnut on his penis and he he
just said, you know, I wasn't getting AI was getting 120

(48:05):
erections a night. And after I did your exosomes
once, 250 erections a night. What do you mean he's wears a
doughnut? He wears a little Bluetooth
doughnut that that measures. He's supposed to be saying this
out loud. He's proud of it.
Are you kidding me? He talks about amber closure.
He's like I'm a beta tester. That is hilarious.
That is funny. Wow, wow.

(48:27):
All kinds of stuff out there. I mean, you know, for me, if
people come in, I love to do a very in depth blood work,
traditional blood work and 20 vials of blood.
But I like to look for toxins, heavy metals and mold toxins.
Everybody does a blood test or urine test, but if you want to
test metals properly, you got toput a chemical in your body to
pull it out of your tissue, out of your heart, out of your brain

(48:48):
and pee it out and compare your first urine to the second one.
And then we look at mold toxins.And these are the two most
common things I see now. And even if you think you're
healthy and you have this in your body, you better get rid of
it because it may cause cancer. It may cause heart disease,
brain disease, liver, kidney, you have no idea.
But not everybody wants to test.And so then I I tell people, OK,

(49:09):
we're just going to do Ivs to give your performance better or
do it do what you just said, youknow?
Yeah, you know, how how much testing can you do?
You could go down the rabbit hole.
I mean, we go to our conferencesand there's 1000 booths in there
and half of them are talking about testing.
I mean, where do you end? So I think, you know, we got to
go back to clinical judgement too.

(49:30):
We just got to talk to somebody and listen, you know, I think
that's kind of lost in medicine and that's the.
Well, that's the frustrating thing I think that we're not
talking about is like when you go to a doctor and you tell them
what's wrong with you and they don't ask you what your
lifestyle is. There's a problem with that.
You know what I mean? Like because a lot of stuff

(49:51):
could be literally corrected. If you're getting more sleep,
your nutrition's better and you're working out and you're
hydrated like these are there's like certain markers that if you
changed, then that alone could make you make you healthier.
But instead they're like, oh, this is wrong with you.
Here's a pill, you know, or you need surgery or whatever.
You know what amplified that to me more than anything?

(50:13):
I do manipulation. I even do it on babies.
And this mom was in there and goes, hey, I have a question
about my little older son, five years old.
He's constipated and we have a concierge pediatric doctor.
Well, if anybody knows anything about concierge, that means it's
not insurance. So they're not governed by the,
you know, I have to worry about insurance reimbursement or
whatever. So but this pediatrician goes,
oh, we'll prescribe A laxative. And she's like, what do you,

(50:35):
what do you mean? I don't, I don't want to give my
5 year old a laxative. What about magnesium?
She's like, no, that won't, the doctor goes, no, that won't
work. And she's like, what are you
serious? And she's like, no, it won't
work. She goes, OK, I'm going to give
it to him anyway. And a month later, he's going
regular again and called the pediatric.
What's like when during COVID when they said vitamin C was bad
for you Vitamin. Vitamin D.

(50:57):
Vitamin D, like stay off the beaches, you know?
Freaking awful but but literallyshe called the pediatrician by
goes hey it made him better and she was shocked.
She goes I can't believe that worked.
And to me, what that tells me iswhat is the schooling nowadays?
They don't learn nutrition, theydon't learn lifestyle, and
that's the sad part of medicine.Where, where do y'all both how

(51:20):
do y'all see AI fitting into themedical world and, and and
actually specifically to your toyour how has how has AI helped
you guys in your practices? Well, AI has turned me into a
Superman as far as I'm concerned, because to research
these things, the way it works in my laboratories, my mentor

(51:42):
was 3 weeks a year and say, OK, do not call me.
I don't care what's happening. I'm going to the library and I'm
not leaving until I figure out what the next grant process is
going to be. And that meant that you had to
read every one of these papers and it takes you weeks to come
to, to look at all the literature in that, right?
That's the only way that I coulddo something.
So when somebody asks me a very difficult question, I'm like, I
got to get back to you because Ihave to do that now.

(52:03):
I can do that in 15 seconds, right?
And I can go through all that literature and I can say, OK, I
believe that if that's from thatpaper, that's not from the
International Journal or whatever.
And I mean, the way can accelerate something like me
who's read 10s of thousands of papers just boggles my mind, you
know? That being said, I asked it to
make a chart comparing other exasone companies to mine.

(52:25):
And then there's this one exasone company and I've never
heard of it. And I started writing.
So I was like, where'd you get the data on that company?
Because I made it up. I was like, what?
He said. I just put what another exosome
company that started up, what its metrics would have been, and
I'm like, OK, don't ever give mefault.
That is funny. You know you got a product.
Right. Yeah.
It's terrifying though. Yeah, it is.
It is. Yeah.

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So. I sent Oscar today.
I sent him this, this, it was basically AI created this, what
do you call it was a commercial with a model and it was like a
fitness commercial and it lookedcompletely legit and it was all
AI, the whole thing. Yeah.

(53:07):
No, it's getting it's. Getting good.
Yeah, well. It's good for you for for your
marketing, yeah. You know, like people ask, is AI
gonna hurt your business? And in a lot of medicine it
will, because a lot of medicine is look at labs and treat based
off that. But you know, one thing I'm
unique is I touch people and I think it'll take a while for AI

(53:28):
to figure out how to do it the way that I do it.
Yeah, if ever. I don't even know if it could,
but I have had patients come in and they go, oh, I ran my all my
medical records through AI and Iwanted to see what it
recommended. And this is what it said.
What do you think? And I'm like, I don't know about
that. I mean, could it help?

(53:50):
It might. And The funny thing is you'll
appreciate this being a peptide.This guy's had issues for five
years or more, right? Went to all these doctors,
finally found me. And we tend to get people that
have been to all these others and then we just do things
different, right? And but he's like, I put it
through AI and it said, there's one thing that's going to fix
me. It's going to be a miracle BPC

(54:12):
one. Yeah, I think it's not going to
be somebody like him in a while and they can't inject.
I wanted I. Almost died.
I wanted to die laughing, but I'm like, no, this guy's
serious. He's I'm like, oh God, I got to
hold my mouth and I'm like, look, if it doesn't work in six
months, come on back, you know, And it's just, they don't have,
yeah, they don't have the experience.
And and then it comes up with false data.

(54:33):
I don't, you know, whoever programs that stuff programs it
with the intent, right? And that's the problem.
And and until we get really trueopen thought processes, then I
don't know. Well, I think, I think for
Someone Like You, it's a that you're not going to be replaced
like you're, you're replaceable.So you know.
Yeah, and there's there's thingslike I wanted to say, what's the

(54:55):
difference between what we coulddo here in Florida, what you
could do in Panama? Well, I can get reagents here
that you can't get there. I've had clean rooms set on
fire. You know, I mean, the things
that I need to be able to do within 24 hours you could only
do here. People have been asking me, can
you run your lab? We're going to open the lab in
the Bahamas. No, you're not.
Not like my lab, You know, So wehave a lot of benefits being in
this country and, you know, being able to to work together

(55:18):
and do that kind of thing. Well, in education and a lot of
people have been scared because there's been so much pressure.
And, you know, I'd see people advertise stuff that I'm like,
that person should never even betouching us, looking at a stem
cell and much less doing it right.
And then, you know, but then youget people like, you know, like
us that are doing it responsiblyand we get vilified.

(55:40):
But, you know, it's just training and knowledge and
understanding. Like I'm a big, you know, if you
come to our clinic, know that we're all about knowledge.
You know, you look at my resume and my doctor's resume and my
staff. I send everybody to conferences.
You know, I want knowledge in our clinics and I don't, you
know, I could open a cheap clinic down the street and have

(56:01):
somebody work it and just do whatever you wanted.
But why? That's not what I want to do.
I want to have a purpose to whatI'm doing, whether it be Ivs,
whether it be manipulation, whether it be injections, and I
want to know what the outcome isas best as possible.
We're never medicine's not 100% and I wish it was.
You know, the biggest thing I want in the medical field with

(56:22):
the injections of what I do is to be a go between between.
OK, therapy's not working. Your doctor, you know, thinking
about referring you to surgeon will be the go between.
I had one patient come to me in a wheelchair because of pain in
her calf. Like literally she's like, this
is the worst pain I've had in mylife.

(56:42):
I I can't, I can't function at all.
And I treated her and her husband for other things.
Came in and I'm like, this is pretty bad.
It could be compartment syndrome.
There's some other things. I'm like, go to the ER.
And she went there, came back two hours later, they kicked me
out. They said it's fine, it's just
my back. So I said, well, go see your
spine. It's so bad.
Wait, so they said it's her backand she had pain in her calf?

(57:03):
So, so, and it was, they were, they were right, you know, but I
had to make sure it wasn't. There's something called
compartment syndrome that you have to open up that it's called
a compartment muscle in the calf.
If you don't, you could actuallyhave dead tissue.
So they ruled that out. And then they said, OK, go see
us. And her pain was so bad.
I was like, look, I treat a lot of things, but people don't come

(57:26):
to me like this, you know? So I was like, go see a surgeon.
She did. They recommended fusions, you
know, just like you, but but shecouldn't even walk right.
She was confined to that wheelchair.
And so she goes she came to see me after that, but in that room
she goes, so I think I'm going to try stem cell 1st.

(57:46):
And he looked at her and goes, you have more money to waste
than I do Quote that was a quoteand from the from the spine
doctor, spine surgeon. She goes, OK, well I'm gonna go
try it anyway. So she came to see me and we did
too. I was doing tissue graft with
her and that's what I did. Got her better and she's better.
To this day, six years later, she doesn't have this problem.

(58:07):
Oh amazing. She went back to the doctor.
That's why the the reason that Lady, the helping me write the
book asked you that is because Itold her about this lady.
She went back there just to tellhim so literally made an
appointment, paid the fee, got in there, he walked in, she
goes. I just wanted to let you know
stem cells worked for me. He didn't say a word, turned

(58:28):
around, left, and that was it. And yeah, that's why I'm not,
you know, cuz they don't give a shit.
Like they don't care. They don't care.
But it proves a good point that OK, you know why?
And OK, granted, there's a lot of bad people doing it.
And he and who knows, he may have seen a lot of people coming
from very untrained people. You're right, that had no
results. Well, the way we do things, if

(58:50):
you come to our clinic, you knowthat I've researched and gone to
training for two decades now on almost anything you can do with
a needle into the body and how to do it the right way, right?
There's a there's a lot of fraud.
I've assessed every other exosome competitor on the market
and there's no exosomes in them.And since you can't see an
exosome, I can just sell you a vial of saline and get away with

(59:11):
it because there's no regulation.
So that happens rampantly. Like I said about the stem
cells, I can make you a Frankenstein stem cell.
It doesn't do anything. Or I can make you a pristine
stem cell. That cost me a lot of money to
make. That's how I make it.
But if you make it in South America, you have to use fetal
calf serum, fetal human serum, that's going to make you this
Franken stem cell. So you got 300 million stem

(59:33):
cells, but they were worthless. I mean, they, they, you could
make give them a lot less good stem cells and get the same
outcome. So you have to know your
provider. It can turn into zombie cells.
Zombie. Cells.
Basically they look like zombie cells.
Do they? Yeah.
They don't function at all. You can have a cell that looks
perfect under the stain, but it doesn't work.
Yeah. And that's where you have to

(59:55):
know. When I use products from a
company, I go to every single one.
I talk to the owner and the scientist.
On every product I've ever used and and his facility is the top
notch. Was what the stuff you put in my
shoulder, was that his? It was.
It was a mix. Cuz when you did my shoulder you
showed me. That that was tissue.

(01:00:16):
So, so but I but I mix, but I mix, I'll mix it together most
of the time. You you want that matrix for
Celtic, You know, honestly, that's why he does that.
But the exosomes, you can't see.And so I have to have millions
of dollars. Wait, weren't we on the phone
with him before we shot mine? No, that was Steve White.
That was that was the guy that got me into PRP.
He's up in Jupiter. And but, but the tissue, the

(01:00:39):
reason I like I like the tissue is so I got introduced to I was
at the World Stem Cell Summit. Were you there in 2014?
I think I was OK, I was there and, and I was in the the sports
section and I was listening to this doctor and he was one of
the docs for the San Antonio Spurs, OK.
And he was talking about this tissue and I was like, that's
interesting. But I, I left that and I go if
it's good enough for him to inject the Spurs players, it's

(01:01:02):
good enough for me to inject. And then I found a guy locally
injecting it and. So, So what?
So what is it again? So it's so there's amniotic SAC
around a baby in every product we get in the US is live birth C
sections just for so everybody knows, you know, we're not
aborting babies or anything likethat.
The woman has to donate it. Unfortunately, she has to donate

(01:01:22):
it and cannot sell it because ofhuman trafficking and people
used to unfortunately enslave women to sell their fetuses.
So they have to give it away andthen has to go through a 60 page
questionnaire, medical history, clean viral, all the, you know,
infections have to be clear, right?

(01:01:42):
No medicines. The pregnancy had to be perfect.
Like it goes to a big, big long process.
And so you bring that up, just know everything's clean, right?
And then they cut this tissue upand it's physical pieces of
tissue that you can see. So when it gets injected, it's
like a scaffold, like a microsurgery that when you
inject it, this tissue stays there.

(01:02:04):
The body grows new tissue on topof it.
So you put it into an injured area and it's going to grow on
that tissue. So you're taking that and mixing
it with exosomes? Yep, and.
So, so I'm the growth factors, OK and he's what the scaffold
for the growth factors to? So that's what was in it was
exosomes mixed with the tissue. Graph right and then.

(01:02:24):
And what are you calling that? Well, we just.
Call him up with a name for. You in general we just call
allografts. Allograft, you gotta come up
with some better names. For this stuff, you know.
I know like we'll, we'll call his Ivs the boner makers, you
know, so. Like.
This see this is a problem in medicine.
We're not creative. And we're not, we're totally not
creative. Whatever it is you have that's.

(01:02:44):
Fine, we'll come up with a few here it.
Makes a little plugs look cameraexercise.
You can come visit if you want, but I don't that's that's.
I could already. I'm already seeing y'all's ads
though. I'm seeing like a guy with a
Cape on and just a big directionlike and he's like.
Well, no, my thing is that my thing is called play forever,
OK, and that means play tennis would be a player.

(01:03:05):
Like, you know, like he's seeinglike Conera, you know now.
And that's actually an interesting thing.
So because I mean one of the andyou can drive by his freaking
house. One of the richest men ever was
the guy that created Viagra. And so I'm assuming that all
this stuff is is a natural way to cure.

(01:03:27):
Natural way, yeah. So I mean, I think that's
phenomenal and that could be that could actually be probably
one of your biggest. Well, EED is the thing and
acting it into the penis is not a.
Joke. Yeah, exactly so.
It works. 15 CCS right in there you push everything around.
Or one CC, it depends. 15. Sometimes somebody told me their
protocol is it because normally other guys are doing one CC on

(01:03:49):
one side, 1 CC on the other. That's what I that's the way to
do it. And so I'm sitting there and
they go, I put 50, I put, take your five CCS, put 10 CCS and
inject 15 CCS. I go 15 CCS.
I that would fit well to get that with it would fit.
It depends on what mood I'm in, you know?
What, what is this side? Are you allowed to talk about?

(01:04:10):
What's your the little experiment that you're doing
with with what with Branson or no?
With Branson, Yeah. Oh, yeah.
So that's a this, these neurologists I work with in LA
came up with this concept. These are really brilliant guys.
And the kind of testing they do,the Human Connectome Project,
they can fly through your brain with functional MRI.
It's crazy. And so they had been seeing and
treating depression and things like that, giving my exosomes IV

(01:04:33):
and then focusing ultrasound to the frontal cortex and and you
increase the blood flow. And the question was, are more
exosomes crossing the blood brain barrier?
So Chimera paid for a study at the City of Hope.
We took a rat, we it's called insinate.
We insinated 1/2 of its brain and lo and behold, 100 times
more exosomes crossed right where we focused it.
So Oh my gosh, this is like a Eureka kind of a thing.

(01:04:55):
Well, if you could focus it on ahypothalamus, convince your
hypothalamus is young, your hypothalamus starts creating the
same growth factors you did. Your pituitary gland does as you
were young. So we're going to regenerate you
that way. OK, Sign me up, You know,
because now I've seen the data, right?
And then all that happened to mewith being able to play tennis.
But it's, it's, it's, it's you're talking about limitless.
There was before I did this and after I did this and all of a

(01:05:17):
sudden I'm like, oh shit, I can live until 300 years.
I can play tennis. I I'm not falling towards death
anymore. You know, it's just crazy.
And it's and it's administration, the ministration
of it. And I'm not sure if I said that
right, but it's just Ivs. It's just Ivs.
Amazing. OK yeah cuz he trying to get me
to freaking stick a needle up mynose and.

(01:05:39):
Well, that's a quick and dirty way to do it and you're lucky
that he knows how to do it. I want to know if you guys
didn't know how to do that. It's wild.
Well, I want to get somebody's off camera.
I want to get on here a little bit.
He's going to talk about his girlfriend, that concussion 216
and new person. I had AI had a girl new person
remember that actress that that I sent you Nanette Yeah she had

(01:06:02):
a debilitating migraine this morning here during the her
physical therapy session and andI was like Sean can fix.
That we need to. I need a color.
Yeah. OK.
Eric, thanks for thanks for popping in.
Just quickly introduce yourself.I'm Eric Shearson.
I'm coming from Canada, from NewBrunswick, and our health care

(01:06:23):
in Canada is very fun because he's free.
When he's free, you get top quality of everything.
So I've been kidney failure for maybe five years.
So three years ago they told me I got six months to live because
if I don't do some DL ES, I'm going to die.
And I refuse to do DL ES becauseI like to live quarter of life,

(01:06:46):
travel. DL ES for me is not an option,
right? I work self-employed all my
life, having fun all my life andnot be able to work.
It's not part of me. So I researched so I found
shown. So we make an appointment and I
go meet him and when I arrive atthis door, I almost turn around.

(01:07:07):
Osteopath. Osteopath in Canada is lower
than a doctor. I left from Canada to come to
Miami, drive 40 hours to drive to come see an Isiopad come,
come on. I never researched Isiopad.
I researched him, right, but I never researched the name of the

(01:07:28):
clinic. But that's it.
I'm here. I'm going in, and my business
partner was with me. So we go in.
Generally very nice staff. So they bring us in the room.
So we met Sean, Doctor Morris. There was another guy I think.
Another dog. He's not with us.
Yeah. Anyway, so we would train the
room and they asked me lots of question for over 20 minutes.

(01:07:52):
None of my doctor asked me thosequestions.
They asked me none of them. And Canada is we got a good
health care, it's fantastic. So and after that he turned
around and he said we're going to get out of the room and we'll
be back maybe 5-10 maybe 20 minutes.
We're going to have a meeting when he come back.
So when he get out, me and my partner would look at it and I
said if somebody would save my life, it's going to be him.

(01:08:17):
He said I got the same guts feeling of you.
She I think it was worth the drive.
We drive 40 hours straight to get here.
Yeah. So 20 minutes after come back in
said I don't know if I can help you, but I could try.
So the week after I was there for what month?

(01:08:37):
Two months. Stay for about two months.
Two months, three months, something like that and the
roller coasters start come we dolots of Ivs, ozone therapy,
metallic blue. We did all I see lots of
personal athlete that that's what I met you the first time.
And so yeah, he continued to treat me.
So I keep to be stable. So I go home and I go see my

(01:09:02):
family doctor. Now before that, he asked me to
go see a family doctor here whenI arrived.
Internal medicine special. Actually, yes, to make sure he's
on board with us. So I did go meet him.
So the first time we arrived there, that was he was there for
him for a week. I go meet that doctor, a very
nice guys, not let my family doctor go home, go see that

(01:09:24):
family doctor. I was there for an hour, asked
him about my parents. I never seen that in my life.
Don Holmes was not that way at all.
But no, he was very nice gentleman.
We talked. You look at the blood work.
I left his office. We make an appointment for
another two weeks after I left his office, continue my
treatment five days a week, 9:00to 5:00 every day.

(01:09:46):
I would just use his office. Two weeks after I go see him and
I can see his silliest face. He's just looking at the paper
and he said shut up. He said something wrong.
I said what? This is not a good blood work.
The one you gave me the first time or the one you gave me this
one? Something is not good because

(01:10:10):
it's so much improved in two weeks.
It's not possible. Right, right.
But she said, I don't know, we can't call this his office, see
we're doing blood work and they send me a new copy come.
So we call his office, Nelson answer the phone.
So we checked with Nelson. Yes, it was the right blood work
and I was doing blood work almost every two days.

(01:10:30):
So nobody said that his blood work, but he said, so he started
to ask me what I was doing. I told him.
He said I never hear that much stuff, but changing that blood
word that much is what take me about two to three years of
treating people. And he did that in two weeks.
He was quite amazed. Yeah.
So I was continued to get stable, maybe 1% more but

(01:10:52):
better. But I couldn't get stable.
I was OK with it. So after three months, I go home
and I go see my family doctor and we start to discuss.
He said don't talk to me, don't tell me that.
I find that kind of rude of him telling me that, but I've been
with that doctor for over 20 years.
So I talked. We were like friend.
I was thinking in a way. So OK didn't talk.

(01:11:15):
So we do a major thing and I left the office.
I met him like 2 weeks after in a grocery store.
Well there she was my friend. You come see me and how are you
doing and what we were doing allabout the question what I was
doing in Miami. I said, I thought you said in
the office, you don't want to know, said no, in my office you
cannot tell me because I got to put it in your chart.

(01:11:37):
If I put it in your chart, you're not going to get
treatment after that. But he said now I'm not at the
office, tell me what you're doing.
So I told him, he said don't come to my office, stay there
and don't ever told nobody here what you're doing.
Just keep that in United States and keep it there.
You're going to be fine. You're going to bid your service
what you got there. So I continue treatment and my

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mom I see lots of people gettingtreatment and injection and I've
seen them getting better. But my mom is 7677 years old and
for 10 years I see my mom drunk on drugs.
When you're driving home, she was drinking to kill the pain or
taking the medication. All because of pain, by the way.

(01:12:21):
Just because of the pain? Yeah.
Yeah. Not pleasure.
Not pleasure and my dad always rubbing her back with cream and
this and that and she was never cooking, laid down the bed.
So I start to talk about that. So I finally convinced her but
now my dad was not convinced. My dad was says I bought off the
money. We try everything nothing is

(01:12:42):
working. We did see every specialty this
and that that is working. I'm there I'm seeing it and he
didn't want to hear nothing right?
I said I don't care. I said that I don't need your
money I'm bringing mom with me and that's it.
So we booked an appointment and I bring mom with me.
So we me and mom didn't come with me and she was there six
weeks. No, no, she was only there three

(01:13:04):
weeks. Three weeks, yeah.
Yeah, Three weeks. We did the both knees, both hip,
lower back, upper back in five discs in three weeks.
Yeah. Just for some context, she had
moderate to severe arthritis, one of the two in both knees,
both hips and her spine, spinal stenosis, disc issues and labrum
tears and meniscus tears. And she never did sport.

(01:13:27):
She worked as a cook in the kitchen, and where we come from
is a small kitchen. So by you being a chef cook,
you're doing everything. You're doing dishwasher.
You picked up potatoes. You you do everything.
Yeah. So it all do is here.
Her body was wounded, right. So we did all that in three
weeks. And as today, she's got no pain.
She's not taking medication no more.

(01:13:49):
She's not drinking, She's not taking drugs no more.
Wow. We're arriving there.
She's cooking and all that. That's miracle #2.
Well, and on top of it, I actually visited them last year
in New Brunswick and I got to, Igot to meet the whole family.
Great and dancing well. Dancing so her and his mom and
her his dad used to do dancing like ballroom dancing and all

(01:14:10):
this and I saw it everywhere andand for the first time in 10
years she's dancing oh wow and so I.
Guess I guess your dad's a believer now.
Oh yeah. Now he is a fan but that's his
second miracle. But every miracle happened in
tree. So when he was down to come
visit us, he see my woman, the way she was walking and all

(01:14:31):
that. So he talked to start to hear
about stem cell in the nose. She was not open to it.
But when I come visit back to his clinic, she'd come with me.
So he talked with her and all that on a Saturday morning.
Give a little back story of. Yeah.
Oh, she did a concussion in 2016.
OK, so she happened at work say in 2019 they pension her half

(01:14:55):
with 40% of her pension, go home, there's nothing we can do
for you. So we for three years we did
doctor, physio, eye doctor, nothing they can do.
We did go to Orlando to the concussion clinic.
That helped her a lot. We did one time that helped her
a lot. We did a second time.
That improved her a lot and after that I'll fight defenses.

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I was coming to Miami. So she did come and on a
Saturday we were with Sean and Arena and you start talking to
her, you got to do sense and no one's that would help you.
So for her to get him out on hisback, I will do it next week so
let's go do it now. So she just agreed to do it next
week and now we said let's go doit now.
So you push her to the wall to go do it now.

(01:15:39):
So she go do it now. She's not no choice now and
then. Now we're after we go walk in
the wood. The last nine years she could
not walk on uneven ground. She could not drive the car more
than 1015 minutes. She cannot go where there's too
much light. And that is?
Up and down, up and down, up anddown stairs.

(01:16:00):
She had to hold on to somebody. Yeah, she cannot do it.
And that is all gone in an hour.He was and.
I'll tell you why. I'll let him finish.
But and that was #4 so he helpedus quite a lot on my family.
Yeah, was quite a junior. And on this trip somebody worked

(01:16:22):
more hard than that. So they invent the product for
me. With and Doctor Ross.
Does he want this? Is he here?
Is he? Here no.
Is he right out there? I need to make sure he wants
this on on camera or not. But he made a specialized
product. He's not OK, so.

(01:16:45):
I think he's game for it. He's been game for everything
else. It's just it's a super
concentrated exosome. Yeah, the most concentrated ever
made. OK.
And so. Him and Sean talk about me I
don't know how many times. So Sean called me about 3 weeks
ago and I said OK so you got to come down for another week.
I said well I said I got something date up special.

(01:17:07):
She started told me about the special dose.
So this week was all about preparing my body for this
special dose. And this week we hit it hard
like I never think I will do it before hitting like we did and
this treatment we did we did come ozone and one day we did 50
pass of ozone one we did IBU meta which do so many high dose.

(01:17:32):
It was incredible. But the funny part is Wednesday
is the best feeling I never had done over 10 years.
I said I don't remember feeling like this for the last 10 years.
And when I arrived Sunday I was dead.

(01:17:55):
I want no energy. I was walking the airport,
dragging my feet, almost, almostthinking to take a wheelchair.
Come I was. I was not good.
Yeah. But now I'm fully energizing.
And we did that big heavy dose. Three hours ago we did this.
Oh yeah, yeah. Yep.

(01:18:15):
And he hardly ever feels any treatment, so he didn't feel
anything with this. Yeah.
We're looking forward. We're gonna be monitoring blood
work. We're gonna be monitoring how he
feels and. And, you know, we're hoping to,
you know, we you never know withthis field.
You never know when something could turn around.
Yeah, as long as you're willing to try.
And that's the biggest frustration that I see in the

(01:18:37):
field. Some of my friends.
Oh, I wouldn't treat that. Why not, right?
Why don't we try? I mean, somebody might be
better. Dying in six months, right?
Yeah, so. Or even injuries.
I'm just gonna. OK, sad story.
We had a patient we talked to about doing hip injections.
They're like, you know what? I'm just gonna go go do surgery
instead. And I heard last night had the
surgery an hour later, stroke and the Dang, the, the

(01:19:02):
complications of surgery are so much worse than than what we do,
right? You know, so why not try this
first? And you know, he and Eric
decided to trust me and he wouldcome down every few months just
to do treatments. He's the only patient that's
been to all four of my clinics. He he spent time in each city
for a while. I also think it says a lot about
you, Sean, because I love what you said, Eric, about like you

(01:19:26):
had that gut feeling that he wasgoing to heal you.
I had the same. So the.
Yeah, the person writing his book asked me why would you let
a complete stranger, yeah, inject your back 50 something
times. And I said I've always carried
myself with a lot of intuition and discernment.
Me too. And I felt.
That. That you were the 1 like you

(01:19:47):
know, and it was really in the, in the confidence in your voice,
the, the confidence and calmnessin your voice to say I can heal
you and I can talk. Is mine is rolling yeah the
other doctors I seen this OK gethim in get our money and get out
all. Right, exactly.
You get, you get. Kind of that feeling.

(01:20:09):
Let's push him out. And no, I never have that
feeling. And when I arrive home and I
tell that to mom, you get to try.
Mom was coming, but she wasn't just coming for a week.
And then we presented for three weeks and a half.
And after mom met him, she did have the same guts feeling if
somebody will do something for her and she'd do it.

(01:20:32):
And to see my mom today cooking and.
That's beautiful. That's no word, Yeah.
Something I didn't get across during the whole time was so she
came down for the reason she stayed three weeks is 'cause my
protocol, I've done these injections for 22 years, at
least starting them and then on my own for 16.
And I like to do 3 procedures. That's my preferred thing to do.

(01:20:56):
So you know, they, they listenedto me and they got his mom to
stay another two weeks and we did 3 procedures on her spine,
both hips and both knees. And that's what keeps the long
term results. It's amazing.
Yeah, it is quite amazing is. Yeah.
They kind of no word for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

(01:21:16):
Well, and this is so from the time period they told you you
had six months to live. How long has that been?
Since three years and three years.
Hallelujah. And right now, the last time I
see my kidney specialist in New Brunswick, they don't understand
why I'm not on the alleys right now with my blood work they got

(01:21:38):
I should not be able to function.
A year ago they said I could notwork with my blood work.
I could not work. And I'm still working.
I'm still running my business. I'm building my house at Don't
Stop. I'm up at 6:00 every morning and
go to bed 10/11, 12:00 at night.And for me, I'm still living a
normal life. Like I want to be right.

(01:22:00):
When I'm not living a normal life, I want to die.
I don't. He's building his own house
right now. No, we got to continue our
project. We cannot stop.
And I want you to live. I don't want, it's like you
said, you want to live, you don't want to live.
You don't want to be just in a wheelchair in your crock.
If you want to live, you want tohave fun, you want to be you're,
you're a fan of training and allthat.

(01:22:21):
I'm not a fan of training. I'm a fan of working.
I love to work. I love to have my companies, I
love to develop products. So we all got different goal and
that's what we like is the. Quality of life.
Quality of life. We just want to be in a chair.
We want the quality of life. And do what you love, yes,
because that's the gifts that you were given and you should be
able to. To do that, to enjoy life.

(01:22:42):
Yes, I love it. Yeah.
Well, guys, thank you all so much.
Thank you very much. Thank you.
Man appreciate it. Awesome.

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