Health Experts Reveal Why You Are Lost & Lacking Purpose (You Are Meant For Greatness) | S3, Ep 23. - The Big Dawgs: with Manning Sumner

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When I was 23 years old, back in2007, I was on the Internet
looking for ways to end my life.I was tiptoeing my way through
life, helping to land safely on Death's story.
Guy was the fat kid, became the anorexic kid, became the
depressed kid, became the addicted kid that continued to
find himself in victim spaces until I was willing to take
ownership. You don't go from suicidal

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thoughts to just now I'm going to be a reader and read about
like, what do you think did it to get you to really, really
want to want to make a change? The formula that I've it is is
suck suck success and the setbacks never turned into stop
suck. And ultimately, you create a
flywheel of changing that identity.
And when that identity shifts, watch the behaviors follow.

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I have this vision where I get to heaven and God comes up to me
and he goes, Justin, great job, like, amazing work.
And out from behind him comes the version of me that he
actually created. The version of me that I could
have been. I'm Manning Sumner.
I've lived my life by 1 motto, no days off.
No days off has never taken a day off on you.

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It's a commitment to becoming your best self.
Get ready to be inspired to do the same.
This is the big dogs with Manning Sumner.
Justin Ben, thank you so much for being here.
So let's just start out real fast.
I want you both just kind of, instead of me reading about your
whole lives, just give me a little snippet.

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Let the audience know who you are, what you're all about,
maybe what you're up to, just a little spiel on yourself.
Yeah, born and raised in Canada,came down to the States on a
hockey scholarship at 19 and over the course of, I guess 23
years was on a journey chasing my health holistically, not

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feeling well while by all of theworld's standards I was healthy.
And I just knew at 8 years old that God had a calling of my on
my life to help redeem the health of the world.
And that's been a continual pursuit through education,
through business and now obviously with our company own

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It, really helping people take ownership of their health in a
hyper personalized way and really seeing the bodies that
integrated holistic ecosystem togive people the power back.
Ben. Yes, Manny.
Yeah. So I am somebody who struggled
with obesity, physical obesity, mental obesity, grew up here in
Miami, born and raised like Amber.

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We were just talking about that were pretty rare.
But I followed a standard American diet.
My mom actually worked at Kentucky Fried Chicken.
So, you know, I was a happy kid eating fried chicken, but not
too healthy for you. So I had really bad behaviors as
a kid to addictions to drugs, did drugs, sold drugs,
addictions to food, video game addictions.
And when I was 23 years old, back in 2007, I was on the

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Internet looking for ways to endmy life.
It was, it was that bad. And I kept thinking about my
mother and the devastation that would have caused her.
So it forced me to figure thingsout and not take my life.
And at this point I was £250, thirty 4% body fat, erectile
dysfunction, high blood pressure, high blood sugar
levels like I was, I was tiptoeing my way through life
when helping to land safely on death's door.

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I was like a going through the motion sort of thing and I was
lost. And then I started reading books
on self development, Doctor Wayne Dyer, Bob Proctor, Tony
Robbins. And it just helped me take
ownership and own it and take responsibility.
And it started with a mindset shift and and taking that
responsibility. And then it transferred into
health and fitness and eating real food.

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And I went through this incredible transformation.
I lost 80 lbs in nine months. I went from 34% body fat at my
highest to 6% at my lowest. And it's what got me into the
health space 17 years ago. I actually had a gym here in
Miami, a CrossFit gym for five years from 2013.
Two 1018, live free CrossFit. I'm Biscay.
Yeah, that was me and John Kelly's.

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Gym, John. You know John, Yeah.
So John and I used to do MMA training together.
That's awesome. Like he was a savage and for
sure like we used to just go at it.
I didn't know that the tire flips and the I love it
sledgehammer and the weight vestphoto of us.
Yeah, no, he was just here this morning.
Was he really? I just sent him a photo.
I love that. Too.
That's so awesome. And you know Matt?

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Is it Matt? Matt, Pat.
Matt Pat yeah. Primal So that was the like
that's How I Met John God we were in Matt's like backyard
doing crazy workouts like pulling this truck and so.
Cool. Yeah, yeah.
So, yeah, so we have a lot of. Friends in the world, man.
So I had the gym for five years and then in 2018 is when I got
into more of the metabolic health space.
I, we ran into keto camp and then we dominated the keto

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space, the fasting space in terms of like awareness.
And now I have this brand new book that just became a New York
Times bestseller, Metabolic Freedom.
And we are on a mission to reverse obesity, reverse
diabetes, and help people understand that their body is
not broken, it's being interfered with.
Here's the interference. Let's remove it and your God
healing body will heal itself. That's unbelievable.

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That's crazy. When you were sitting there
telling your story and you said you're obese, I'm looking at you
and I'm like. I know, yeah.
What like it's it's I always love those just like 180
transformations, you know, when people like the David Goggins,
the those kind of stories that it's like literally obese to
look at you now like you're a freaking stud.

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So thank you. It's awesome, man.
Let me ask you this because obviously you don't just like
start, you don't go from suicidal thoughts to just now
I'm going to be a reader and read about like with Tony Rob,
like I don't think it it happened or did it happen like
that? Like when?
What do you think did it to get you to really really want to
want to make a change? What I've learned is that we

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need to change our paradigm. Our paradigm is in our
subconscious mind, meaning 95, maybe even close to 100% of all
of our habits. Our habitual nature is in our
subconscious mind. So when we are getting poor
results, we need to change that paradigm.
Then it'll change the results. But there are only two ways to
change it. An emotional impact is one way.
So I'll give you an example of what I mean by that.

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Like a cancer diagnosis, a near death experience, the loss of a
loved one. Usually that's enough pain that
you've just experienced and it'slike something that was
unexpected that it forces you and it's a quick shift like you
mentioned to start figuring things out.
Now, ideally, that's not the best route to go through because
it's unpredictable and there's alot of pain you experience.
The second route that this is the route that I took was the

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constant space repetition of thenew idea.
What I mean by now that is it didn't happen overnight.
We were just talking about this,right?
It was mastering a habit of whatI call a tweak a week.
So I was in so much pain. I knew it was not going to take
my life. I knew I wanted to change and I
didn't see any way out. But I saw that if I could make
some small changes in my routineand get some momentum, I could

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feel like things are moving in a, in a proper direction.
So for me, it was just doing that.
It was reading for 15 minutes a day and then 30 minutes a day.
Then it was getting steps and then it was working out.
Then it was eating real food. It didn't happen overnight, but
I started to stack one habit after another habit.
You have a great law in your book that you just shared about
going, not going more than two days with.
What was the law of habits that you shared earlier?

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Yeah. So it's the the law of habit and
behavior change. And there's three of them, but
the first one is never miss two days in a row.
That's it is, hey, like I'm trying to institute it could be
whatever habit you're talking about.
And there's a circumstance that just completely throws you off
one day. Well, great, you hit it Monday,
you hit it Tuesday, you miss it Wednesday.
Well, Thursday is your most important day.

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You do not miss that day to keepyou going again and getting back
on that train. So.
It's kind of what I did. I made sure I didn't go more
than a day or two without something that was positive in
the right direction. So I just gained momentum and I
was sick and tired of being sickand tired like so many people
and what you do and what you do.Justin, in our space, it's so
important because people have gone down the medical route, the

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conventional medicine, they're treating symptoms.
I visited my doctor, dude, I was23 years old, low testosterone,
erectile dysfunction, high bloodpressure, high blood sugar, and
my doctor never asked me the question, what are you eating,
Ben? But.
He wanted to give you a prescription though.
I bet you wanted to give him any.
Oh yeah, he suggested many prescription drugs.
Without asking me what your exercise routine is.
None of that. What are you putting?

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Yeah, So what? What, you know, conversations
like this, what you're doing, what you're doing is so
important. Yeah.
Momentum. And then I just snowballed into
some some great traction. Was there anybody in your life
at that time that that stands out to you now looking back on
it, that was that was like an accountability support system.
I didn't have anybody in person,but it was the books that I kept
reading that these were like mentors from afar.

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And it just, they kept inspiringme.
And I kept thinking about my mom.
And there's a lot of things I wanted to do for my mom that I
was not able to do at that time.So she wasn't necessarily there
as an accountability person, like coaching me and guiding me.
But just thinking about her and having her in my life inspired
me to keep going. Yeah.
And not to like harp on this, but you're here.
Was there anything that that derailed it in the beginning?

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Well, of course that there's always going to be those
setbacks. Right, Yeah.
So 'cause it's 'cause I, what I'm trying to do is I want to
frame it because I, I, I truly believe that sometimes people
watch these things and see you and they're like, they're like,
it wasn't that hard, you know what I mean?
Because you're such a specimen again.
Now again, it's often like when people walk into this place and

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they see what this is and they don't know what it took to do
this. They don't know that this was a
17 year journey to be able to sit in this office.
I'll even admin It's not even what it took to get here.
It's what it takes to sustain it.
It's what it takes to continue to do it.
It can to continue to grow because the business that you

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have today here, the business that you have today, the
business I have today is the smallest it will ever be.
And it's a continual growing anditeration of the vision of what
it is that we're going for. So just because we're here today
doesn't mean the gas, the foot comes off the gas.
It's simply going to look differently because we're at a
different place. And also, it's not like it's not

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a ramp. No, you know, it's a freaking
roller coaster ride. So that's why I was trying to
take them back to the roller coaster ride of it, the the
highs and the lows and mediums like.
So is there anyone that kind of stands out to you back then?
Yeah. You know, cuz your environment
will pull you back when you start to make these changes.
I'm sure you've experienced it, Manny.
I'm sure I know you've experienced it, Justin.

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And what I've found is that whenyou change, you become a threat
to people in your life who don'tchange.
And it's not because they want they want you to be unhealthy.
You know when you like write it down in your mind, it's like,
oh, that's OK. Yeah, that's a good one to to
remember. Right, it's really good.
It's the truth, and here's how it manifests the Tremaine.
Here's how it's going to manifest for people if they're
used to you going out with them and drinking like I did.

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Eat pizza, drink alcohol, play video games at night.
And that's not serving you anymore and your future self.
And you tell them, I can't do itanymore.
They're going to say things to make fun of you.
Like I remember John Kelly. OK, perfect.
This is different than in my transformation, but John Kelly
is a perfect example because there became a point, a point in

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my career where I was in a fantasy Football League with
John Kelly and other people and it was requiring so much of my
time. And I and I wanted to build my
business. And I told John and everybody
else I'm not joining this season, and they would all make
fun of me. Like, who are you?
Who do you think that's what's gonna happen?
That's what happened to me during my weight loss
transformation. They wanted me to drink the
beer, eat the pizza. And I said no, they would make

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fun of me. And what I understand now is
that the journey, it might suck sometimes.
And like you said, it's not a straight line, it's always up
and down, up and down. But at the end of the month, end
of the year, you want it to be alot higher than it was before.
And the setbacks are not important as the get back.
So when you have the hiccup, thecomments, the, the set back or
whatever it is, it's all about an opportunity to learn,

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refocus, and then keep going. So the philosophy that I created
back then that I still follow tothis day, and I teach it to my
students, is that when you change, it tends to suck.
When you start going to the gym and working out it, it might
suck, you're going to get sore. You have to develop discipline.
But the formula that I've adopted is, is suck, suck
success, right? You embrace the success, you

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keep moving forward. So I just kept that in front of
me and the setbacks, the the speed bumps never turned into
stop signs, if you will. Yeah, yeah.
How did you 2 meet? Oh.
Man, so we were you tell the story.
It was, I mean, we were introduced for a mutual friend,
gosh, about a year and a half ago and we had a bunch of

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conversations kind of going backand forth with the intention of
meeting never actually happened.You know how it is when you're
we're busy, even though we live in the same city.
It's wild and. That's because if you live a
mile away, it takes 40 minutes. That's right.
That's right, it's Miami free. That's right, you might as well
walk. But I was speaking at an event,

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the same one that Ben was here in Miami, and we saw each other
and we were like, hey, what's up?
Like, so good to see you. I was able to give him a copy of
the book. And he watched me speak.
I watched him speak. And we all of a sudden we're
just like, my gosh, we're literally speaking the same
language. We're literally after the same
thing. And we have, I think often times

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we forget, even though you can be after the same thing, you
don't align in heart, you don't operate the same way, you don't
align in values. And I think we have a lot of
that in especially in our industry.
And for the first time, like when we saw each other, I think
there was just that that heart connection as well as mission
connection that just struck up arelationship that I think was
really unique and special. Yeah, he, he crushed it on

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stage. And I was like, this guy's
professional speaker. And what I admire about Justin
the most, I'm sure you've seen this with him, is his strong
faith. And he's not afraid to express
it or pray for you, or he does it whenever he feels called.
And that that inspires me. So yeah, that was just eight
months ago, right? And.
Yeah, Before we came here, we were at my house in my podcast

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studio and I interviewed him. He interviewed me.
He was sharing a little bit about you.
I was like, what should I expectabout Manning?
And I've heard you at your gym before and I've actually been to
this facility when it was a different gym, many.
Years ago basketball court. Yeah, that's right.
I remember that right. So, dude, I'm very impressed
with what you've built here. Like, this is beautiful.
Like, coming from a guy who usedto own a gym.
Yeah, this is a dream. Like if I had a gym like this

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back in the day. Man This is.
Just you should have heard John.So John calls me up and he goes,
he's like, why did you have to do that?
Because he knew I was coming, like, into his.
Yeah. Well, he's out of that business.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He told me he was, but he was
just messing. He was just messing a little
bit. It was funny.
It was funny, yeah. Great job, I love it.
So tell us a little bit about your book because it's it's AI

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mean it's changing lives and it and it just it did it hit like
best seller, like pretty fast, right?
Yeah, So it was USAUSA Today top10 best seller for the entire
year, which was amazing and ended up being on the USA TODAY
top 50 list for on their annual reviews, which was pretty cool.

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Very cool. Awesome.
And so I think when you think about it, the power of
ownership, it's really, it's that word.
I love that word. I know you love that word
ownership. We've talked about it a lot
where and even in terms of your conversation that we had is, is
you are not a victim of your experience.
You're not a victim of your environment, but rather you have

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all the power God's given you all the tools.
God's given you all the ability he will provide for you as long
as you're willing to say, hey, I'm going to pick up what I've
got. I'm going to take that first
step, even though I don't know what's beyond that.
And we have that ability. And I think even going back in
my story is like, I was the fat kid, became the anorexic kid,
became the depressed kid, becamethe addicted kid that continued

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to find himself in victim spacesthat until I was willing to take
ownership and understand, man, no, there there is.
There is healing waiting for me.There is growth for me.
There is opportunities for me. That that was the thing that
changed the trajectory. And no matter whether it was my
undergraduate degrees, my master's degrees, my doctoral

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research, no matter what it was that I was going on, there was
something you could learn in a book that but it didn't actually
change the heart. It didn't change change the mind
as to how to actually put this into place.
And until you're able to marry the two in the sense of
ownership, it really moving forward.
And so in the power of ownership, we really integrate
mental, physical, spiritual, emotional health, help you
understand how you can learn thelanguage of the body, which is

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heart rate variability. And when you understand the
language of the body, you can really start to see how your
habits, your behaviors, your lifestyle is shaping the reality
that you have. And I talked about this concept
of inevitability. Ability is that whatever you
desire most, whatever you are devoted to most, whether it is
this gym and this business that you are growing, whether it is

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becoming a New York Times best selling author, whatever that
devotion is, that is that burn that's inside of you.
It is inevitable as long as you have consistency paired with
intentionality over the course of time.
And I think we often forget thatif we believe in the positive,
something you also have to believe in the negative.
So it's inevitable that you'll have the great outcome if you're

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intentional and consistent over time, but it's inevitable you'll
have the negative outcome if you're unintentional and do that
consistently over time. Yeah, I mean, you framed it very
well. I constantly tell people it's
it. It's mind blowing to me how
people don't understand the power of words and the things

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that we tell ourselves. Like it's so frustrating when
you hear people talk negative about themselves and especially
in their health journey because it's serving them not at all
like it's, it's literally defeating them daily.
And I, I truly believe people wake up and they start to focus

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or, or feed the negative voice in their head.
And I always say as soon as it happens, you have to start, I
call it talking shit to myself. You know, I think, you know, it
starts when the alarm goes off. Soon as your alarm goes off, of
course you're comfortable. You're in your freezing cold
bedroom, you're cuddled up with your hot wife.

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And you know, like, of course you don't want to get up.
OK, I get that. But you can't start saying
snooze on, you know, like you can't start doing that.
Like you have to just own it. There's a point in which
commitment becomes a habit or compromise becomes a habit, and
we've become so OK with making compromise a habit.

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Because compromise is comfortable.
And compromise compounds. I would say even faster than the
uncomfortable things you choose to do.
Like it's so much harder. Yes, we get that and we
understand that. And then see, here's another
thing too. People look at us, especially
where we are today and think that it's easy for us that we
just wake up and like, we like, we float out of bed and we land

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soft and we and we have like, I really think people sometimes
think that like we walk around naked with our coffee cups.
You know what I mean? It's like it's, it's like we're
struggling just like everybody else, but it's these these daily
choices of doing it anyway, regardless of the circumstances,
regardless of how we feel that is keeping us going.

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That's compounding over time, that's keeping us consistent.
So that's what I I really, and that's I'm, I have a desire to
write a book too. And it's really, I really want
to lean into that. I want to lean into we're not
all the same, but we all go through these mental battles,
these conversations with ourselves.

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Otherwise, I would question yourbrain, like if you're not
talking to yourself, there mightbe a problem.
What's happening. Yeah.
Like there might be some, you know, other issues that you need
to go get checked out. But I truly would.
I believe that no matter. What if you're an elite athlete?
No matter if you're, you know your background, your
circumstances, I believe that you are constantly having
conversations within yourself and you have to ask yourself,

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are they positive? Are they negative?
What voice are you feeding? Like, what are you feeding?
And you know, this whole notion of I'm tired, I'm exhausted, I'm
hungry, I'm you know this, I'm this.
And when you say I am this, I just believe there's power in
that. Like I believe that that that's
not what God intended us to do is just constantly speak death

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into ourselves. We have to speak life in
ourselves. And when I find myself, and
again, here's what I'm saying isthat we all do it though.
Like there are moments that we're weak.
There are moments where we fail ourselves.
And but I would say the reason why we're sitting here and the
reason why we're in the positionthat we're in that we win more

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than we lose, like when it comesto choosing the right thing,
because you are, your destiny isdetermined by your decisions and
that compounds over time. So.
It's so great. And I think when you there's
power in the written word, but there's authority in the spoken
word and that we've been given that authority and we don't take

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authority of our thoughts and wedon't take authority of our
words enough because we don't recognize what they're actually
creating. And you said something with all
of us sitting in this room and Iwant to ask you a question and
you a question because it's going to create a framework that
I think will be really helpful with everything you've built.
You've got an amazing gym business legacy set up down here

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in Miami. You've got an amazing brand with
no days off. You've got a water company.
You're starting to expand into Nashville.
What is next for you? What do you envision?
What do you see? Maybe something that you've
spoken on a podcast before, maybe something that only
Manning has visioned up and drumup that's deep inside of him.
What is next for you? Well.
We did. I mean, I would say the
immediate next is actually, I'vebeen talking to my team a lot

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about this is that, and I heard it framed on how we get these
reels that yeah, obviously we'regetting them because they're
listening to us and all this stuff is that and I heard it
framed just like this. I'm actually copying what had
happened. But, but it really spoke to me
is that you can only operate a certain way up to about

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$5,000,000 like in, you know, total.
Once you start to get into the seven, ten, $20 million, you
know, organization, you have to start operating differently.
You have to start thinking differently.
You have to start your people have to change or you get new
people. You, you, your systems, your

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procedures, everything that you're doing cannot remain the
same because you won't be able to handle the growth that you're
about to take on. So I am in a position right now
where we're about to have enormous growth in all aspects
of the business. And if I don't button down the
things that matter most from, you know, paying attention, I

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mean, I would say the number onething, pay attention to the
money, you know, every cent, youknow, really know where it's
going, who you're spending on what, what's the ROI on an
individual? What's an ROI on a product?
What like everything? And so that, that's something
that I'm doing. I'm, I'm really doing a
inventory check of people, services, systems, procedure.

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And I'll give you some examples.We're redoing the website.
Obviously I've done that like 20something times, but it's time
again, right? And you don't want to do it.
And that's another thing too. You don't want to do it.
It's a nightmare. It's not fun, but we're doing
it. We're changing our CRCRM, don't
want to do it again. These are not easy things.
The easy thing to do is just keep going.

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You know you've made it this far.
Everything is working, and I often say that really when
you're seeing a lot of success is when you need to go deep in
and make sure that you're on theright path, not for where you
are, but I love what you said, where you're going because you
can't get to where you want to go if you do the same.

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Like it's like the definition ofthe saying you can't do this.
Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different
results. OK, well, we're here now.
This is not where I see us in two years, you know, not even in
a year. So if you're talking five years,
then you really got to do that. So we're changing our serum.
We are developing an app. I am late on a book and people

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constantly tell me. So I have to carve out some time
to actually do it and stop talking about it.
It's like me speaking Spanish. It's like I've been saying I'm
gonna learn Spanish for 20 years.
Like it's, it needs to happen, you know, So that with all.
That being said, yeah, what's the burn?
What's the burn inside of you? Because.
And I'm going to come to ask youthe same question, Ben, because

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what you're doing is not easy. It would be easy to do the other
thing and just continue on status quo.
You're choosing to go into some hard roads.
You're choosing to step into ways where you know there's
obstacles that are going to be there.
That and we've already faced them like, you know, like when
you go, I mean, when you fire people that have been in your
organization for over a decade that you love, you love them
like you've been with somebody for 10 years, you don't, there's

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not like ill will, you know, there's not like animosity.
There's true like love there. You're damn near family at that
point. So when you have to make those
hard decisions, that is absolutely not easy.
So what's the burn that sits in you?
The burn is that I've haven't arrived like it's it's when you
see the vision that you have foryourself and your company and

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you have not gotten there yet, you keep burning.
Which is to make impact for people?
In what way? Well, at the end of the day, I
mean, no days off has never taken a day off on you.
It's a commitment to becoming your best self.
And that is what I want to have an impact on the world with.
I want every single person to know that you can change your
life if you just commit to nevertaking a day off on yourself.

(26:09):
I love it. What is your burn and what is it
that's next for you in this journey for where you're trying
to go? Well, I saw my dad died from the
complications of diabetes back in 2014 and all the bad
information that was given to him and us from his doctors
never talking about reversing his diabetes, which was type 2

(26:30):
reversible. And after he died, it took the
health hobby that I was treatingas a hobby to a person, a
passion and a purpose. So my, my desire, my burning
desire is to make sure people don't have to go through the
same suffering. My dad did and I did and our
whole family did. Because these metabolic
diseases, which type of diabetesis 100% preventable and 100%

(26:53):
reversible. Conventional medicine does not
tell us that they they want to manage it with medication and
that does nothing for the diabetes.
It makes the diabetes worse. So my mission is to get this
information out to so many, as many people as possible with
creating the the biggest case study ever done on naturally
reversing type 2 diabetes. And we're tracking a million

(27:15):
people in the next 10 year, 1010years.
And it's a case study that's never been done before.
We're going to show big Pharma that your medication, you don't
have one case study showing you reverse type 2 diabetes.
We did it in a million people in10 years.
Here's the proof. And I want the I want the world
to have a different paradigm when they view diabetes as
something that is a lifestyle disease that is preventable and

(27:37):
reversible. I love it.
So I'm going to take this back because again, when you sit here
like what's my burn? It's to truly empower people to
take ownership of their health, realize that the decisions they
make, the habits they make, theyhave more power to be able to
live a life of full impact, fullinfluence and leave a legacy
that is different, solely dependent on what God called

(27:58):
them to do. And that their body was designed
to heal. It was designed to thrive, but
you have to live differently. And we can live life abundantly.
Like that is my burn. I wake up every day to be that
person at the beginning, man. And you asked and people would
see us sitting here going, oh, they've got it.
It's been so easy, it's been simple.
And what people are told all thetime is, oh, you just need more

(28:18):
discipline. You don't need more discipline.
What all of us have in common iswe have truly, truly, we have a
devotion to something. We have a devotion so deep.
And I love words, I love language.
The definition of devotion is something you are so loyal to
that you would die for it. And devotion is your burn.

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When you are devoted, you now make a commitment.
You make a commitment to do certain things every day, even
when it's not easy. Make a commitment to do things
even when it's an obstacle. You make a commitment to do
things even when it doesn't makesense.
And out of that is birthed discipline.
Out of that is birthed dedication.
And that's what I just love about this.

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And that's what I think the listeners to this podcast can
see in Ben, can see in Manny, and can see in myself is that
I'm not perfect. I'm actually one step from
stupid. But the fact of the matter is
but, but the fact of the matter is that you've just been so
devoted to something that you are on fire to see it come to

(29:22):
fruition. But I will have to say, I mean,
I would argue though, that discipline is even more
important than devotion because for me, devotion still is tied a
little bit to emotion for me. Like because there are days that
even the devotion, even the burn, even the, the absolute

(29:45):
commitment that I've made to this cause, cause find the cause
greater yourself and just absolutely go all in on it.
And I know I have. I mean, I'm 17 years into it.
I know I have, but I would say it's the the discipline to keep
going. The discipline to keep devoting
to that cause is what has kept me going.

(30:08):
It's it's not AI don't wake up necessarily saying to myself,
I'm devoted to this. So I'm going to go.
I do it because of the discipline keeps me doing it.
It is the discipline for me likeit.
It's that I always say discipline over motivation.
It's it's it is something that Iknow for a fact I could not do

(30:30):
if my like my dad instilled thisin me at a very, very young age.
I mean, I've been waking up early in the morning since I was
like, and 5th grade, you know, So I mean, most people don't
live their lives like that. And I mean, my dad used to put
me in front of the car and running.
And I think those kind of thingsare not normal.
And so when you and I haven't stopped, you know, it's like I

(30:53):
haven't stopped. That's what keeps me going
personally, personally. And everybody has their
different things. But I think that and a lot of
people too, you know, Justin, they don't, they might not have
something they're devoted to. I mean, if we really are honest
with ourselves, like there's some people out there,
especially young people, There'ssome young people, they don't
know what the heck they want to do, but they need to get out of

(31:15):
the bad habits and they need discipline in their life.
Like they have to choose discipline instead of another,
you know, motivational speak andanother song that wakes them up
in another movie that inspires them and all this stuff.
They have to get to a point where the, I think you said it
earlier, it's like you have to finally say I'm sick and tired

(31:38):
of being sick and tired. Like, which means what?
You have to make better decisions in your life like you
have to so, and I almost think we're saying the same thing,
just in a different way. Same thing, different.
Way it's because you you said itand it still resonated and it
still is saying it, but I just Iwant to be careful for for how I
say it because I've been out there saying in a same way over

(32:00):
and over again and that I just feel like you got to strip out
emotions when it comes to this thing called commitment because
we are a great emotion like we are also like almost like when
people talk about their passion and like it's my passion, it's
my passion like I'm like, you know, like easy because it that

(32:22):
comes in waves, you know, but what is your purpose?
What is your devotion? You know, like so it's, you
know, again saying in different ways, but that's why I'm out
with it so. Yeah, I I think 95% of people
don't have a purpose. That's it, that's it.
Which is why they can't be disciplined.
I I agree with that and I and I and I related to the to like

(32:43):
obesity, which is my industry weight, weight loss, obesity.
Most people think obesity is because of what people are
eating. I think it's because of what's
eating people. I think it's 'cause they lack
hope, they have no goals in their life.
This is my life. I filled my void with food and I
was obese. When you are inspired versus

(33:04):
motivated, inspire inspirations from within.
Motivation is external, and we were talking about that.
Motivation doesn't last, but inspiration does.
But you're inspired because you have something you're, you have
fallen in love with, right? Earl Nightingale used to say his
his definition of success was the progressive realization of a
worthy ideal, right? So let's unpack that.

(33:25):
A worthy ideal is a goal that you fall in love with.
You have that, you have that, I have that.
And we're successful as long as we are progressively realizing
that goal, meaning this is wherewe want to be, this is where we
are. And as long as every day or
every month we're getting closerto that, we're a successful
person because we're clear on where we want to go, we're clear
on the steps. That's where the discipline is
and we're closing the gap and we're successful, but we're in

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the small percentage of people that understand that and do that
100%. And it's, it's the lack of goals
and lack of purpose that createsthat.
The bad behaviors, the lack of discipline.
I think, I don't know if it's the chicken or the egg we're
talking about here, right? You're saying it's devotion,
you're saying it's discipline. They go hand in hand.
And we could argue what comes first.
But I think for most people, it's finding something you love

(34:08):
to do, not a passion, but something that lights you up,
and then working your way to align your your purpose with
that purpose, meaning your calendar.
It now aligns with what you wantto achieve.
So that's how I live my life. But I think that's how we all
live our lives, and that's how. I would, I mean how like I would
love to dive into like how do weget to 95% to to jump on board

(34:31):
because that's really why we hear turn off the.
Television. Yeah, our, all of our devotion,
all of our, we've all, we've allcommitted to this cause, which
is 1000% and and epidemic in this world.
Like I wouldn't meant that this is random, but it just popped in
my head. Are you talking to RFK at all?
Yeah, OK, yeah, so in the new, it just popped in my head.

(34:51):
I'm in the new Maha documentary.OK, great.
So yeah, he's in that. Yeah.
He's terrific. I'd love to see what's
happening. Right.
So, you know, you're on pace with it too.
You know what's interesting about the Maha thing?
I just posted a video on on YouTube, 36 Foods RFK Junior
just been that's the title of the video and it went viral has
like 3.3 million views. But the, the reason why it's

(35:12):
interesting is because when I was getting ready to post it,
there was a part of me that didn't want to post it because
I, you know, once you talk aboutMaha, it's like you just turn
off everybody that is against Trump against it gets political,
right, right. And I want to help everybody.
I don't care if you're Democrat or Republican.
So there was a part of me that was like, should I even post
this? Probably going to create people
that aren't. It's sad, though, that you

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actually. It is sad that it's ridiculous.
It's ridiculous. And in the video I said, look,
this is not political, like yourcells don't see Republican or
Democrat. It just wants to be healthy,
right? But what was interesting is when
I, when I posted it and I started reading the comments,
just like 30,000 comments on that video.
And I read hundreds of them, if not thousands.
Some people were like, I love Trump, I love RFK, let's go ma

(35:54):
ha. But a lot of comments were
saying, I hate Trump, I hate RFK, and I'm in for this band.
Like they're doing something right.
What? So that's promising, showing
that even if you hate Trump or not, if you're not a Republican,
they're still on board that we want to get these toxins out of
the food supply. We want to reverse these
diseases. So it's really inspiring to see.
How it is and I, and I, I would venture to say, I mean, I, I

(36:16):
don't think Trump would have wonif he didn't bring RFK and, and
Tulsi Gabbard. I mean, some of the things that
he did Elon Musk, I mean, I don't think he he had a chance
to win. Like it was truly The Avengers
as they called themselves. Because to your point of saying
that the comments like I hate Trump, I hate them, but I like

(36:37):
this at some point in time, it'sI've always said this, it's like
like when people just are so like, I hate Trump.
Always ask him like, have you always met the chef of your
favorite restaurant? You know, like, because maybe
he's a Dick, Like maybe he's just like a you know what I
mean? But you love the food.
You love the results. You got the results and

(36:57):
ultimately, like we have to all come to a decision that this is
not a, it's not a popularity contest.
You're not having dinner with the guy.
Like this is the world really. It's not even I mean, y'all are
seeing it play out right now. Like, if we had weak leadership
for what was going on in the world today, we would probably
be in World War 3. Yeah.
And I mean, I'm still there's still, we're not out of the

(37:17):
woods yet. But it's just what I see with
the whole Trump thing. And again, whether you like him
or not like him, is that I trulybelieve it is a team effort.
Like you're seeing him let RFK, you know, do his thing.
Let Elon to a certain point, do his thing, you know, all the
people that he brought on and and like, I mean, for us, we're

(37:41):
constantly trying to, I mean, I'm doing it right now
constantly. Even though you said you're not
smart, you are smart, you're very smart.
Is that you want to surround yourself by people that are
smarter, smarter than you and especially in the areas that
you're not as smart. And that's the definition of a
good leader to me. And that's exactly how we get
people to start having goals andsetting goals.

(38:03):
Their environment share a littlebit more 'cause it's their
environment that's causing the lack of purpose, that's causing
the lack of discipline and essentially just an awful life.
So yeah, share more about that. When you think about who you
surround yourself with, I alwayssay you can't change the people
around you, but you can change the people around you.
So I can't change what you think.
I can't change what I want you to do, but my gosh, I could

(38:27):
change the people around me thatwill now help me think bigger,
help me be more devoted, help mefind my purpose and what
ultimately I was put on this earth for.
I always say we're born twice, once when we're actually born
and the second when we figure out why.
And that I think is just so exciting when we are able to

(38:49):
truly there's there's a there's truly a flip, a switch that
flips. I know it probably happened for
you and you. And it's not just once in your
lifetime, it iterates. It's an iterative pattern.
There's certain experiences thatyou've been through Manning.
There's certain experiences thatyou've been through Ben.
There's certain experiences thatI've been through Justin, that
because I went through them, because I experienced them,

(39:11):
because I had people around me speaking life into me telling me
that I could do something, telling me that I had AII was I
was intelligent, I had a call, Iwas worth something that all of
a sudden was like, man, maybe I can do that.
Maybe I can dream. Maybe I can create vision.
Maybe I can take a step in faith.
Maybe I can do something that isuncommon and help me think

(39:32):
bigger than I did before. Man, I go back, I had the worst
scarcity mindset ever. I grew up in a family where we
were, there was always budgets around they, I came from, my dad
came from a family that was war-torn from Germany, that it
was like penny counting and foodstamps.
And this is just what I grew up in.

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And so the scarcity mindset justcrippled me in a lot of ways for
a lot of my life that I never thought there was going to be
enough. There was if I didn't take, if I
didn't say yes to this opportunity, no opportunity
would ever find me again. And it was this, this, that's
all I ever saw. But as I was able to get around
people who saw things differently.

(40:14):
Thought bigger, dreamed bigger, saw 0 bars on anything, saw no
ceilings. And I saw what was possible.
And then I allowed myself to be mentored by them, taught by
them, coached by them, spoken life over me.
My gosh, the doors, the walls, the ceilings blew off that

(40:36):
house. And it's the people you have
around you, the people you choose to mentor you, the people
you choose to have in your environment that will truly
either create your walls, createyour house, or ultimately
renovate that thing so there arenone.
So good. Can you resonate with that?
Do you like that? That's part of your journey as.

(40:57):
Well, yeah, I mean, was it, is it Tony Robbins that said the
five people? Who It was Jim Rohn.
Jim Rohn. Right.
I knew it was one of those guys,yeah.
He mentored Tony Robbins. Yeah, yeah.
Well, you probably said the samething from that, but I mean,
it's, it's not like that's a mystery, right?
I mean, to me, if you're around toxic people, you become toxic.

(41:18):
If you're around people that inspire you and that help you
grow and speak life into you, then you're going to, you know,
elevate. I, I, for me, what I've tried to
do and, and it kind of goes backto like what you said, is that I
think sometimes for me, and again, this is just me, is that
I sometimes isolate and try to do it everything, you know, try

(41:41):
to do everything on my own, evenfrom a, a personal growth
standpoint. Like I'm going to get alone with
God and, and, and I'm just goingto, you know, it's just going to
be me and him and I'm going to figure this out.
And I think recently I've done alittle bit better of getting
around like men, like minded menand having the deeper
conversations and, and even justallowing them to speak life into

(42:03):
me, you know, instead of like kind of isolating.
So that would be kind of where Iam today as I as I get get older
is like, you know, like Vukon just happened.
And I mean, what a what you, youthink it won't like, you know,
you've I've been in the church for, since I was, you know, came
out of the womb and and like, sometimes you're like, it's my,

(42:24):
you know, I've been to these things.
It's not going to be that, but wow, like, you know, like
getting around that many people and just the love and the, the,
the true, like I felt, I mean, obviously I, I believe it was
the Holy Spirit, but like the love in that room was, was
unmatched, unmatched. And, and it was in it.

(42:46):
And actually the section that I was in, it was mostly men.
Like it was, it was a large group of men you know and very
successful men you know. So there's something really
cool, but what you just said andI've and I've noticed it in you
even like we've known each otherfor what, 3 1/2 years?
Honestly, I don't know, but thatsounds about right.
It's something, it's something like that.
It was something around when I opened up Wynwood, cuz that's

(43:08):
when I think and cuz you, you went to Coral Gables for a long
time and I never met you or ran into you there.
It was your brother. Right.
Is that? And then we we met.
My brother used to talk about you all the time, so we got to
tell this story cuz people need to hear this cuz, cuz it's like
it's a good attribute about you like, but it.

(43:29):
But I'll be honest, at first I was like, this is the most
annoying human being. I really thought you were so
annoying. I was like, I will never hang
out with this guy. He is so annoying.
But you weren't annoying. You were, you were actually, you
know, especially now that I knowyou were, you were persistent,
you know, and, and it was funny,'cause I, I, I, I find myself

(43:50):
sometimes where you, when, when people do the things that you
actually want them to do, it sometimes rubs you the wrong
way. I don't know, that sounds crazy,
but, but it, it, it, it happens to me a lot where I'm like, I
want somebody to do something. And then I'll Amber.
So Amber is a good example. So like, I'll tell Amber, I'll

(44:11):
tell her like, look, her dad andI'll be like, I need you to do
it exactly like this. And one of the things is like
over communicating. And then she does it.
And then like, I'll find myself getting annoyed that she's over
communicating and I laugh at myself.
I'm like, be careful what you ask for, you know, so you were
that persistent person. And my brother used to call me
like, bro, this Justin guy really wants to meet you.

(44:31):
Really. And then you would DM me, DM me,
DM me, DM me, you know, whatever.
And I was like, who is this guy?And and Peyton used to brag
about how hard you go and pit that you were like a freaking
beast. And like, he's like, bro, he
sweats like like something I've never seen and whatever.
And then I finally, I can't remember what I did.
I finally gave in, responded andmet you.

(44:53):
And then it was, you know, the rest of the history.
I mean, it was awesome. Like first day we met, I was
like, all right, he's he's the real deal.
I'll give him that. So.
Thank you. But it's, but even what I was
going to say was you, you were talking about how you've been in
this position where you've now started to seek men instead of
going inside on your own. And there's, there's a piece
about you. There's a piece about you that
is different. There's a piece about you that

(45:14):
is growing. And I think that comes back to
it because I truly believe that the enemy's main goal for us is
to #1 distract us, distract us from what God called us to.
So that, number two, he can disconnect us, disconnect us
from the people He's put in our life, disconnect us from Him,
but also disconnect us from our own bodies and disconnect us
from ourselves. Because at that point, He can

(45:34):
divide you, divide you against what you're trying to go for
versus what's coming after you. Then it's going to discourage
you because man, why is this happening?
I'm failing all the time. I'm falling apart.
I'm not doing the things that are necessary, which then you
disqualify yourself. And then at that point he can
destroy the column which you were moving, moving forward for.
And by doing that, it all gets washed away simply by limiting

(45:58):
the distraction and connecting with those that are around you
that were meant to be in your life.
And I think we go further with like, especially the more I do
these podcasts and I just sit with with great people, you
know, just good people that are doing stuff in their life.
And and and it's it's that that alone has has just been such an

(46:20):
impact on my life. It's just you know, you, you
hear it like I've had some Navy Seals on on that, that, you
know, when you have a Navy SEAL on that.
And actually this last guy, he was he was freaking French
brigade. What was it?
French brigade? What what's the French Foreign
Legion like you talk about? Like, bro, his story is Trevor

(46:42):
Kavanaugh, But when his Taylor Kavanaugh, right?
Yeah, Taylor Kavanaugh. He you literally how it works is
you go and knock on it on the door and then they open the
door, you hand them your passport and you don't get it
back until and they give you a new name.
So you become a nobody. They give you a new name and

(47:02):
then you go through this, you know, hell of training camp and
two years later you get your passport back and get to use
your name again. Like it's a total transformation
of, of everything. And he wasn't a runner and they
have to run 5 miles every singleday and all their gear, you
know, and stuff. But anyways, I say that to say,

(47:23):
like when you sit with people and you hear their stories and
his, his story had a past and, you know, drug addiction and in
prison and all this stuff, and you just sit with it and there's
just so much gratitude and then learnings and then and, and like
mindedness and then, and then italso kind of fuels you, you

(47:44):
know, you're like, OK, I'm on the right path because they're
complimentary. You know, I used to hate
compliments. Like I still don't exactly love
them, but now it's like, it's more, I feel I, I tend to hear
them as affirmations instead of compliments, instead of like,
you know, you're, you're so great.
I, I hear it as no, you're doinggreat.

(48:06):
You're you're supposed to be doing this.
So compliments has turned into affirmations for me, which in
the past it it it kind of like, I don't know.
I just didn't respond very well to it.
When you think about past versions, and this just came up
for me because we all have past,we all have stories.
Is there people in your lives that see you still as who you

(48:30):
used to be and can't see you as the new you?
I mean, too many actually. And, and the frustrating part
about that is, is it's really sad because, you know, I call it
the fixed mindset. And that's why I love the
mindset book. So Carol Dweck's mindset book is
because there's true, there's somuch truth to it and a growth

(48:50):
mindset versus a fixed mindset. And I just believe that people
that see you the same way is because they have a fixed
mindset, they're stuck, they haven't grown, they don't
understand it. They don't understand that
you're different. They don't understand that
you've changed. And then the whole notion of
that people don't change. People don't change.
Like I am 1000% against that. I do not believe that for one

(49:15):
second because you wouldn't be sitting here.
Talk about change, right? You wouldn't be sitting here.
And quite frankly, I wouldn't besitting here if if I wasn't
becoming a new version of myselfevery single day.
I mean, I don't want to know theman I was yesterday.
I mean, that's how how I take it.
Like, I don't, I don't want to be the version of who I was
yesterday. I want to continue to, you know,

(49:38):
today, I know for a fact after this podcast, I might have so
much like, like just growth because of sitting with you
guys. And like, and that's going to
create something inside of me that I'll apply to my life
tomorrow. And then that's going to put
these building blocks on my lifeto become a new version of
myself, whatever that looks like.

(49:58):
And, and then I think too like, because life happens, like if
you're not constantly trying to better yourself and trying to
figure it out in a positive way,then then you're, you might
actually go even backwards, like, you know, like you might
reach a point where you're your best self.
But then if you're not continuing on that, you might
actually revert, you know, and go back to something that that,

(50:22):
you know, used to be. So I and, and to go back to your
thing. I mean, yes, it, it's, I, I
unfortunately have to let peoplego when it comes to that.
I, I have people that, that havetried to reintroduce into my
life, whether it was high schoolfriends or college friends or,
or old colleagues or things likethat.

(50:44):
But as soon as they start speaking to me of the man I used
to be and not who I am and who I'm becoming, I actually don't
even want you speaking to who I am.
Like I speak to people's potential and that's gotten me
in trouble sometimes because like I'll hire the wrong people
because I see their potential, but I truly don't feel like I

(51:04):
speak to people who they are. I speak to what I think they can
become. And that's how I kind of want to
be seen too. And I frame it too is like,
let's give each other a little grace too.
It's like, I feel like we don't do that enough.
It's like, you know, like we're all going through so much shit.
Like everybody, you know, if you've, if you're a dad, if you

(51:25):
have family, you have a wife, you have a business, if you have
health problems, if you have this, you have that.
Like, could we, when we start a comment like if I meet you for
the very first time, which I like, you shouldn't be, we
shouldn't be judging each other off of this one moment.
You know, we should give each other a little bit of grace of,

(51:45):
well, maybe he said that becauseof the mood he's in.
Maybe he did that because something happened or whatever.
And I think we're so easily liketriggered to be like, oh, that
guy's an asshole or that that person sucks or you know, and
stuff like that when, you know, you might have met him at a
wrong time. And I think that's why people
talk about each other. But again, I'm rambling.

(52:05):
But yeah, man, I, I have to get rid of people in my life that
don't speak to who I am and who I'm becoming, unfortunately.
I wish it wasn't like that, but I just, I can't, I can't deal
with people like that. I can't like, you know.
Yeah, I could relate to that. You know, the change piece that
you mentioned, I, I remember BobProctor said change is

(52:27):
inevitable. What personal growth is a
choice. We're always changing.
It's are we actually progressingor are we regressing nothing and
this world stays the same. Either you're creating or
disintegrating. And the, the change thing is
also interesting because a lot of people, I hear them say
people resist change. People resist change.
And I don't believe that to be true.
I think they resist being changed.

(52:47):
But when they're inspired, they're open to changing.
But when we're forcing it on them, then they resist it.
Yep, the piece that you asked about, like are there people in
your life that still see the oldversion of you?
For sure. And I think one of the best
things you can do if you're juststarting out on this journey and
recreating yourself and creatingthis new vision of yourself is
to like move to a different city, Like get out of that

(53:08):
environment completely. Because you could go into a new
city and be a brand new person without anybody pulling you back
to your old ways. Now, that's not an option for
some people or it's not the bestoption.
So they they stay in their town.But you have to surround
yourself with people that see that greatness in you.
Like you mentioned, Justin, thatis the key.
Like your story is very similar to mine.
I had people in my life that sawgreatness in me when I didn't

(53:31):
see it in myself. And the cool thing about having
people like that in your life isthat you don't even have to
believe that it's true. You borrow it you.
Borrow their beliefs until you develop it yourself.
So for years. I actually never heard it said
like that. That's really cool.
It's the truth. It's so good.
You borrow their belief until you have that belief.
I need my my employees to hear that all right.

(53:53):
Yeah. No, no.
'Cause I believe so much in my 22 year old trainer that I just
hired because you know, you know, like you know if you have
a star or not. But it's like if y'all could
only know how much I believe in you.
But I'm going to start telling them they gotta borrow your
belief. Until they have it for
themselves. It is the truth, you know?
And I say that because somebody's watching and

(54:13):
listening right now and they're like, yeah, I just, they don't
see that greatness in themselves.
Like there's no way because for 25 years, 30 years, maybe
they're 50 years old. They they just haven't made
these changes. They've tried, they've given up.
But I'm telling you, when you find that that person who
believes in you, and it could be, it could be a book to start
out with. But when you find that person
who believes in you and sees greatness in you, you start to

(54:36):
borrow their belief. And then you start to get
momentum, you start to get results, and then you start to
believe for yourself. And then there's a new level,
right? And every new level brings a new
devil, right? And, and, and The thing is with
the devil conversation, the devil wants us to drift.
The devil wants us to be going through the motions.
They want us to be distracted onsocial media, to be numb by food

(54:57):
and drugs and addictions. And when we are aware of what's
happening in our environment, westart to make a conscious
decision to change because people believe in us.
Everything changes in our in ourdirection, in the favor we want
to go. So, man, I think it's a big a
big part of our growth is to surround yourself with people
who believe in you. And if you have people in your
life who are bringing you back to the old version, they got to

(55:19):
do what you did Manning and cut them out.
And I know you said it as well. Yeah, you got to cut them out
because they're the crabs in thebucket.
And crabs try to leave a bucket.The other crabs drag them, drag
them back down. We have people like that in our
lives and we have to identify them and we have to remove them
from our lives. And it reminded me of the thing
I used to tell my staff. And I haven't said it in a
while, but you might not believein God, but God believes in you.

(55:43):
So it's like talk about the, theone that definitely has the most
belief in us is our God. So it's like, if you don't have
anybody, then at least you, you can lean on that.
Yeah. And then dive into that and know
that, I mean, the person that actually created you believes in
you. And it's given.
And I love what you say is, has given you all the tools,

(56:04):
everything like, and then what you say is, has given you the,
the nutrition in the body to heal it.
Like it's, that's like such a cool thing now that I just kind
of put all that together. But like, that's such a cool way
to frame it is that we really don't need anyone to believe in
us. Like if you really think about
it, it's this. I have this recurring, I have

(56:25):
this recurring vision and it's really what fuels me to continue
to grow, to continue to keep looking forward at this because
I have this vision where I get to heaven and God comes up to
me. He goes, Justin, great job, like
amazing work, but I want you to meet somebody.
And out from behind them, it makes me emotional.

(56:47):
And out from behind them comes the version of me that he
actually created. The version of me that I could
have been if I had stewarded my body well, If I had stewarded my
gifting well. If I had decided to humble
myself and walk in the footstepsin which he'd created that I
didn't believe, or I was so stubborn, or I wanted to do it

(57:10):
my way and I was disconnected. And that everyday leaves me in
that place of growth and humility and knowing that, man,
I'm not going to be perfect. I'm not going to get it all
right. But I've got the grace, as you
mentioned, to be able to step inand say as long as I'm on the
purpose for growth, as long as I'm on the purpose to get

(57:30):
better, I'm going to step into the footsteps and I'm going to
step into the person that he's created me to be because his
path is always better than mine.What's up man?
Brother, I love that. I think I heard Jocko talking
about a version of that too. What, what would y'all say?
Like, 'cause I mean, we're, you know, the again, it goes back to

(57:53):
like, there's so many people that need this, right?
That need, whether it be inspiration or guidance or
discipline, whatever the heck wewant to call it.
Like what are y'all's kind of first steps for someone in need,
you know? Like let's say you know, again,
someone DMS you, you know, hey, I'm, I'm £300.

(58:14):
I'm lost on that. Like what, what?
What's the first thing you tell them?
I, I, I always tell him to go study Bob Proctor.
You know, I sent him to Bob Proctor's work.
I tell him to download his audibles YouTube videos.
Now, if I gave him the actual specific step outside of that, I
would tell him to sit down, eliminate distractions, turn off
her TV to get everybody out of the room.

(58:35):
Sit down in a quiet place and dream of the life you want to
live. And and allow your mind to just
dream like there's going to be things that come in that say who
are you're not smart enough, youdon't have the money.
Just don't worry about how to doit.
Just worry about think about what you want in your life, the
dream life and whatever comes toyou, start writing it down.
Start writing it down. So it could be like being, you

(58:57):
know, the greatest gym owner in the world with franchises,
50,000 franchises. I mean, whatever it is, right?
It could be the greatest soccer mom, whatever it is, but you
write down that dream life. And then once you have that
written down, then you grab an index card and on the index card
you write down the present tense.
I'm so happy and grateful now that and you write that dream,
the present tense and every single morning and every single

(59:19):
night before bed, you read that.And you do that enough times
until it replaces the old self-image in your subconscious
mind with this new vision. And God starts to work in
mysterious ways. And all these opportunities
start to arise. And it sounds so simple to some
people, right? And so like woo, woo and trite,
but I always tell people like, if your way is not working, why

(59:39):
don't you try mine? Give it 30 days.
Simply just write down that vision.
That's How I Met. That's how I created the New
York Times bestseller book. I wrote.
I wrote it down and I read it every day.
Yes, I worked my ass off. There's a lot of attraction and
a lot of action, but it starts with writing down the vision.
Writing down something that you just desire and want in your
life in present tense and reading it every single day.
That's what I would tell the person.

(01:00:00):
That's awesome. The, the big thing that I, that
I do when that happens 'cause that probably happens to us all.
And the first thing that I do isI speak life over them and I
tell them that you were, you were designed to heal, you were
designed to thrive. But we're going to have to do
something different. And a lot of people think that

(01:00:23):
it's often times a behaviour change issue.
It's not a behaviour change issue, it's an identity issue.
It's who do they see themselves at?
They only see themselves as a sick person.
They only see themselves as the overweight person.
They only see themselves as the failure.
They only see themselves as that.
And so speaking life over them is the first thing I always
start with with no, you were designed to heal, you were

(01:00:44):
designed to thrive. You were designed for abundance,
you were designed for greatness.You were designed to be exactly
what you want to be. And then there's there's three
things. Number one, we have to change
their belief. What belief do you have about
yourself so that once we change the belief that you have about
yourself, we can ultimately change the intentions that you
have every single day? You don't base your confidence

(01:01:05):
on your outcomes. You base your confidence on the
intentions because you're never going to have perfect outcomes.
But I can tell you, you can always have great intentions.
And then #3 is you change your association.
We talked about it already. The people you associate
yourself with, do they continue to speak life into your new
belief and who you're going to become?
Or they continue to pull you back down and ultimately you
create a flywheel of changing that identity, changing that

(01:01:27):
identity so fast, so quick, so often.
And when that identity shifts, watch the behaviors follow
because who you see yourself as,you will never out behave the
version of you that you see. 100% bro so good.
Really good. And double down onto the the
association thing. Like I've had some really tough
conversations with people about,bro, you're going to have to cut

(01:01:50):
your mom off, Sir, I'm sorry, but you got to break up with
your girlfriend. Like, you know, just like
sometimes it's going to be cutting people in your life that
you, like, think that that's impossible.
And I'll never forget this one guy that was helping.
He hit me up and I told him he had to change his number.

(01:02:12):
I said you're never gonna get where you are unless you because
he was you know, again, there's context here.
He was telling me that, you know, his sister in law's
brother like everybody's you know, like and he was one of
those that he was the savior of the family, you know, like
helped everyone else except for himself.
And I'll never forget he text mefrom a new number and said I did

(01:02:34):
it, you know, and then about a month later, literally 30 days
later, his life was totally different, like totally
different. And that was literally just from
changing his association, changing his number.
So I think it's important that people hear you.
What you what you mean by that is that it, it doesn't mean like
the ones that you feel like doing, like it means what it

(01:02:57):
exactly means. Like absolutely do inventory and
see who's who's talking, you know, like you said, who's
talking life and who's not for me, which I, I now I'm gonna
steal y'all's y'all stuff. I love yours too, by the way,
because I used to tell people towrite it on the mirror so they
would, you know, that's the first thing we look at, you

(01:03:18):
know, So I used to tell them, you know, get a sharpie and
write it on the mirror. But then for me, it's walking
and I and I just really. But I used to say water and
walking, but I'm not gonna shamelessly plug the plug the
water right now. But if you do.
But if you do drink, no nature, it's no water, you know, like,

(01:03:41):
'cause I don't want people to belike, oh, he's just plugged in
his water. But but I, I really believe in
the power of walking and, and especially outside.
Yeah, I just think there's something about walking with
intention, like paying attentionto.
And this is no music. Yes.
Being still in your own thoughts.

(01:04:04):
And I think that's where they would get the things that you're
asking them to write down or theOR the awareness of the people
that they associate with. Like this is when, if you can go
on these walks and and then alsoto the gratitude.
Like there's something about walking and looking at the trees
and the birds and hearing, you know, a kid laugh at the part

(01:04:27):
that like you're alive. Like you get to do this thing
called life. Like you're, you're not
miserable. You're not, you know, something
that that doesn't exist. Like you exist.
And like you're, if you can do that in that way and frame it
again, not like, you know, talking negative on the walk and

(01:04:48):
all that, but like just kind of go blank for a second, see
what's around you. Pay attention to what this
creation that God has done. But then also then start
listening to what the mind is going to start 'cause it's
inevitable. Like when you go for long walks
all of a sudden like, and you're, and you're sitting in

(01:05:09):
your own thoughts. It's incredible what happens.
Like almost some of my best ideas have come from long walks.
Like, and actually I recently hurt my shoulder.
So I've been doing a lot of longwalks and, and I always laugh at
myself because I'm like, I'm going on the nature walk today.
And, and I love what you said too, because it's like we do
kind of make fun of the things that work and that we like.

(01:05:32):
It's easy, you know, it's like, oh, you're going to ride on an
index card. Cute, you know, but it's like,
no, no, no, yes, I am. And it and it but it works and
it's. I don't understand why we do
that. And the people that are going to
continue to make fun of that arethe people who have never done
it. Yeah, exactly.
Right, that's why I said, if your way is not working, why
don't you try mine? Saying, why don't you try your

(01:05:54):
just give it 30 days like it's it's because it's easy to do
right on an index car. Go for a walk easy not to do as
well. It's it sounds like it's not a
supplement. It's not sexy.
It's like you're writing you're walking outside or writing on an
index car. It's.
Just none of that is sexy. Yeah, it's not sexy, but it
works. And you know the thing you said
about walking out nature. I I love it.

(01:06:15):
And I know you have a dog. You have a dog as well.
Unfortunately not right now. I mean you obviously y'all know
I'm a huge dog. Yeah, I see in the logo there.
Yeah, but. Legacy was my most recent dog
that passed away and he was 14 and I have two young kids.
So it's been a season of let me get through the young, well, not

(01:06:36):
get through the young kids, but let them get a little bit older
before I introduce a dog to the family again.
And then to be honest, like legacy was was like everything
to me. Like, like I won't even be able
to talk about like he was my shadow.
He was my like everybody. I mean, you could tell it.
I mean, he he did not leave my side.
Like, I mean, that dog was, and he was just an amazing and

(01:07:00):
everybody says that, but I mean,I'm talking and I've had Dozier,
Rascal, Killian, Artemis, Monita, and then Legacy and and
and Legacy just, you know, like when you get in, well, I don't
know if you'll know this, but like when you get a new dog,
you're always saying you're, well, nothing's going to replace
that dog. And they so I would always say

(01:07:20):
that. And then when I got legacy, I
was like, Oh yeah, he did it, you know, so and I loved all my
dogs, but Legacy was special, was very special.
Yeah, Sorry, Brian. No, it's all good.
It's been years since he's passed.
But dogs are, you know, the reason why I brought up the
dog's dogs are like the perfect example of unconditional love.
And it's interesting because God's backwards is dog, right?

(01:07:43):
And that's they show you what itmeans to like be present.
Like when you're walking your dog.
When I'm walking my dog, I mightbe thinking about, I don't know,
a problem in my business or something I want to create and
whatever. I'm not present sometimes.
And my dog is just looking at the trees, looking at the
squirrel. Just he's completely present,
right, Right. And if we could learn from that
and just love without any conditions.

(01:08:04):
It's just, it's so special to see that, you know, dogs, you
walk into the house after you come home.
They don't care how much money you're in today or how great
your workout was or how shitty your day was or how you smell or
how you look. They wag your tail.
They're happy to see you. They're in the present moment.
They could teach us a lot about life.
And you always talk about being safe and how it's so important

(01:08:26):
for the nervous system to feel safe.
Walking is the best way to do that.
When you walk in nature and whenyou hear the birds chirp, that
signals to your nervous system the environment is safe.
Birds would not be out there chirping if there's danger
coming. So at a subconscious level, it's
actually signaling to your nervous system you're safe.
So it's one of the best things you can do for the HRV.

(01:08:47):
It's the best thing you can do for creative ideas.
I'm a fan of it as well. I walk my dog twice a day or I
just go for a walk with my fiance.
No phone, no audible, no podcast.
It's just me and nature. Yeah.
So I love that you. Brought the reason why I was
laughing because this morning I was training Josh wet and we
were talking about dogs and we literally said we said exactly
what did you read into about theunconditional love?

(01:09:08):
Yeah. We were like, there's there's
nothing like it. And it doesn't matter if you're
gone for 15 minutes or three days.
They act exactly the same. You come back in the house like,
you know, like you've been gone forever.
I mean, I used to like when I would leave with Legacy, I, if I
forgot something, you know, and I'd come right back in, it was
like I was gone for three days. I would just laugh.

(01:09:30):
I'm like, like, bro, I just saw you, you know, relax.
Yeah, so good. You have dogs, right?
Yeah, I've got I've always been a dog lover and I just, I mean,
it's it's amazing. It's like even going back to
what you said is one of my favorite things is going on a
walk at night. And my wife and I would do it
after we eat and we go for mile walk.

(01:09:52):
And it's just, again, it brings you back to that state of
presence. And I think what's so cool is I
always bring it back to some type of scriptural stuff.
But I also don't think it's by accident that Jesus's ministry
was all done on foot, that he had to walk miles, 10 miles a
day on average. And I also don't think it's by
accident that when you look in the Gospels that the way in

(01:10:14):
which God told Noah that it was safe was he sent a bird.
And so you start to think about the safety that we have, the
ability to be able to truly go inwards and have the nervous
system recognize the language ofnature.
You feel different when your feet are in the sand.
You feel different when you're in the woods.
You feel different when you're in the mountains.
You feel different in these areas.
Why? Because your nervous system
feels safe. And it's that point that you can

(01:10:34):
start to heal, that point you can start to create change, that
point that you can start to reconnect so they can get back
to the status of which God created.
You. That's so true and like I love
when I go to the beach and do the same thing, you know, with
no no ex, you know, no phone no and just like truly be present
at the beach. You talk about like it's the

(01:10:56):
best daggum antidepressant in the world.
The the sun, the salt, the sand,and they.
Shut it all down during COVID. The most important place you
need to be, We'll be here. For another hour.
Especially in California, like oh.
Yeah, I know. Yeah, thankfully we're in
Florida. Resting surfers.
That's really because what? Yeah, like the jellyfish are

(01:11:18):
gonna have COVID. Like it's just yeah, don't go
down the COVID train. So let let's since we got about
5 minutes, let's just talk aboutnext.
You know, I know you mentioned it earlier, but like, what's
next for you, my man? So I've got a I've got a new
book coming out in 2026, OK, called Holy Health, The Waking
Truth for a Sleeping World. Really.

(01:11:39):
Again coming back Title. And the.
Great sometimes too. So really coming back to again,
what is the body needing? What is the body requiring to to
heal from the inside out? We've been designed a certain
way. And so understanding how the
body works, how the body functions from a nervous system
standpoint, the overarching governing body that controls

(01:12:03):
whether we heal or whether we decay, solely dependent on
whether a body feels safe or whether it feels unsafe.
And so how do we actually get ourselves into that, looking at
the cellular health, looking at the things, the three components
that ultimately control that. And the cool part about that is
we've then turned that into a three month program that is
going to be put into 100,000 churches by the year 2030.

(01:12:29):
Wow. Let's go.
That is on the mission to redeemthe body of Christ, which is
ultimately us. The fat church.
Yes. And so, yeah.
And that's it's, it's true. And so it's it's so it's a big
part of the mission is, is to create that.
And then obviously. What needs to be done and needs
to be done? And so that's, and so that's,
that's been, that's what's next.That's what we're looking at

(01:12:50):
while our business continues to to grow and thrive.
And we've, we're up to a team of50 now that has just been so
blessed. And we're super excited to just
see people getting along for, for that journey and that ride.
But going right back to that, that 8 year old boy that said,
hey, I just want to be a part ofthe redemption story, the health

(01:13:11):
of America. And this is what obedience and,
and trusting has ultimately created.
So that's what's next. And that's kind of what we're
looking forward to and just stewarding it the best way we
can. Holy Health Brotherhood's go.
It's exciting. I love it.
Oh, am I going next? Yeah.
And Ben, what are you doing? Yeah.
I well, I shared about the diabetes.
We just launched the diabetes program.

(01:13:32):
So we're creating that case study.
But the goal is to get this bookMetabolic freedom into as many
hands as possible. Just came out last month.
Thank God we hit the New York Times list.
I mean, glory to God for that. Let's go.
So cool that that list, you know, 33 million books out
there. Only 10 books in my category
make that list. We were one of those 10 books.
It's insane. That's unbelievable.

(01:13:53):
I wrote it down on a card and I read it every day and I worked
my ass off. Wow, no days off.
I love it. So chapter 10 in that book is
all about how your thoughts influence health or disease.
And I'm already starting the next book, which is going to be
called Mental Freedom, and it's going to be an expansion of
chapter 10. So I'm excited to write that,
get it out in a couple years. But for now, it's promoting this

(01:14:15):
book, doing the case study with the diabetes program, doing
more, having more conversation with rock stars like you, more
collaborations with you, and just being around people that
are doing great things for humanity.
So I'm excited about that. What about you bro?
There's a lot in the pipeline, but you know, next is Nashville.
So we're going to be opening a legacy in Nashville in

(01:14:36):
September, maybe October, hopefully September.
And and then we are, we are booming with the water company
adding new distributors daily. So I, I'd really see a lot of
growth in, in both the gyms and the beverages and, and just for
me, it's just, it always, I, I was telling my brother, it's

(01:14:56):
like we're in a business. Yes, we have to operate like a
business, but the difference with us is that we're a
faith-based business. So what sometimes you read or
sometimes the experts tell you to do might not actually be
what's best for you and your company if you're operating from

(01:15:21):
a higher power, you know, so it's like, I've read a lot of,
you know, entrepreneurial books and expert books and all this
stuff. And then sometimes I'm like,
well, are you know, what, what, what, what perspective are they,
are they saying it from? And so I just want to make sure
that I, I understand that that people are the most important

(01:15:44):
thing. So just making sure that I don't
make decisions based only on business, that I remind myself
of why I'm doing this and that'sto have a true impact on people.
And and that includes my staff, that includes the members, that
includes every single person that I I mean, I was on a call

(01:16:04):
with Bucky's today. Are y'all familiar with Bucky's?
And and I said it, you know, I said that, you know, this isn't
just about water. You know, this is about someone
be able to buy a product that goes beyond the product that has
a message behind it that we wantpeople to lean into and actually

(01:16:25):
take serious. So for me, that's really what
I'm trying to accomplish is, youknow, find A cause greater than
myself. And I feel like that's what I've
done since I started this and just go all in on it and don't
stop until we're bigger than Nike.
So let's. Go.
That's it. Yeah.
Well, that's why you're successful, and that's why
you'll continue to be successful.
It's awesome. Well, this has been awesome

(01:16:45):
guys. Thank you all.
And we'll have to do it again because we could talk for.
Three. We can bro.
We can do the long. The Joe Rogan style.
I know, right?

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