Microdosing Menor: Most People Are Wearing A Mask, Here’s How To Break Free | S3, Ep 9.

Do you feel like you’re meant for more?

On this podcast episode of The Big Dawgs, host Manning Sumner sits down with microdosing mentor and podcaster, Jeremy Awakens.

They dive into how most people in society are wearing a mask, hiding their true selves due to fear, lack of authenticity, and negative programming caused by trauma, external expectations, and poor parenting.

Jeremy explains how microdosing with Psilocybin Mushrooms can help individuals shed these masks, reconnect with their true selves, open new neural pathways, and unlearn harmful patterns—leading to a more fulfilling, authentic life. But it’s only possible if you're willing to put in the necessary internal work.

Episode Transcript

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July 2014, I get fired and then 48 hours after that I found out
my girl at the time was cheatingon me.
Up until that moment, I didn't really have any crazy trauma or
adversity. It was that experience that
really forced me to just reflectand be like, hey, I know I have
massive potential inside of me, but I feel like my environment
right now is not supportive or conducive for my growth.

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Change your environment because in that experience, you're going
to meet new people, you're goingto expand your belief system,
and that's going to open up new possibilities in your life.
Ayahuasca is a plant medicine indigenous to the Amazon.
It's been used for thousands of years, not just for healing, but
for expanding our consciousness.You can't see what you can't

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see, and sometimes it takes something external to shake us
up a little bit. 99% of people are walking through life wearing
a mask. You're wearing a mask at work,
you're wearing a mask with your husband or wife, you're wearing
a mask with that group of friends.
Like the biggest fear that humans have is actually just
being. Themselves.
We'll always do what we get validated for externally, and

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it's not until you actually takea pause and you're like, yo,
wait, is this in alignment with me?
What am I doing trying to pleaseall of these people externally
in neglecting my soul? I'm Manning Sumner, I've lived
my life by 1 motto, No days off.No days off has never taken a
day off on you. It's a commitment to becoming

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your best self. Get ready to be inspired to do
the same. This is the big dogs with
Manning Sumner. Hi, Jeremy.
Let's do this, man. Let's fucking go.
So I'm going to just tell a little bit about you to the
audience. So Jeremy, Seth Abramson and I
said butchering that or saying that, right?

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As the son of a neurologist, you've always been fascinated by
the brain and how to optimize itfor peak performance in sports
and in school. While your dad saved lives, you
also saw the darker side of Western medicine, often masking
symptoms rather than healing theroot cause.
Boy, we thank God for RFK. At 13 years old, your older
brother Jonathan turned to drugsand alcohol, creating a 15 year

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disconnect between you. Though painful, this experience
ultimately shaped your path and transformed your life's
trajectory. After graduating from the
University of Oregon, you spent a few years working in
collegiate and professional sports before moving to Miami at
24. There, you discovered your true
passion, helping others optimizetheir health and positive and
positively impact their lives, and became a personal trainer.

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That's interesting. We were personal training at the
same time. What year was that?
That was 20 15/20/16. Yeah, so I was, I came here in
2001, but I was still training at that time at a high level, so
that's awesome. Where were you training at?
I was training at the JCC which is why Bommarita.
There you go. OK, cool.

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Yeah, Yeah. So more this.
Is crazy actually, because like,it's actually nostalgic and it's
taken me back to those places. That's cool.
We'll talk about it. Yeah.
Your journey LED you to study thought leaders like Tony
Robbins, Joe Dispenza and Wim Hof, as well as indigenous
shamans and Peru. A life change Ayahuasca
experience sparked your deep interest in plant medicine,

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specifically psilocybin mushrooms.
Before micro dosing, you struggled with anxiety, a need
for external validation, and difficulty fully expressing your
emotions. Through micro dosing, you found
healing and now help high performers break their own
limits. As the founder of Micro Dosing
Mastermind, you've got it over 500 students in the past three
years, empowering them to becometheir own healers.

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Beyond that, you're a speaker and host of the Jeremy Awakens
podcast where you have a powerful conversations with top
leaders in health, business and spirituality.
One of your quotes. Social media and the Internet
usually just show you the highlight reels of people's
lives. That sounds familiar.
I believe authenticity and vulnerability are the
superpowers necessary for building deeper trust and
connection. We both could have said like

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this. This quote I think I've said
like literally out loud. Maybe I got the quote from you.
No, no, no. It's just, it's awesome.
It's so I love this. I love the synergy.
I talk about authenticity and vulnerability all the time.
So that that's really special. I love that.
Every relationship in life is a reflection of the relationship
with yourself. Love that.
Yeah. So thanks for coming.
Thanks for being here. So let's immediately, since

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we're both in Miami, let's take it back to when you decided to
come to Miami. What What made you?
Why Miami? Yeah, bro, it's, it's crazy just
reading that. I appreciate you bringing back
some of these memories that I suppressed that I forgot about.
Yeah, it was 2014. I was 2324 at the time.

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And I was working. I studied business and sports
marketing at University of Oregon.
I always want to work in pro sports, you know, as like a
Jewish guy. They say pretty much when you
get Barb mitzvahed, when you turn 13, you realize like, oh
shit, OK, if I don't have a future playing professionally,
but maybe I can get involved other ways, right.
So I was like, maybe I can be the GM of the Oakland A's.

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I was really passionate about all things sports.
So after after college, got a job with the Oakland A's.
Stanford Athletics spur the moment situation July 2014.
I get fired from the is like crazy story, maybe for another
podcast. And then 48 hours after that I

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found out my girl at the time was cheating on me.
And I literally like witnessed it.
And then like just uncovered a lot of dark shit.
And I was like, you know what? It caused me to reflect on my
life. And I was like up until that
moment, I didn't really have anycrazy trauma or adversity.
And it was that experience that really forced me to just reflect

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and be like, hey, what directionam I going right now?
I know I have massive potential inside of me, but I feel like my
environment right now is not supportive or conducive for my
growth. Like all my homies from high
school, we're doing the same shit, like stand up late
watching SportsCenter reruns, smoking blunts, playing video
games, talking about girls that they're never actually gonna
meet in real life. And I'm like, I need to change.

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So I packed up my Honda CRV and I drove across country.
And the reason why I picked South Florida is because my
close friend at the time lived in Boca.
So I knew I had like a safe space to stay for a couple weeks
until I got fully grounded. And then, yeah, man, the journey
just like unfolded in very unexpected, unpredictable ways.

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And somehow, some way like you and I are here in this moment,
I'm. I'm really grateful to be here.
So you were at Bommarito, That'swhere you started at personal
training at Bommarito. So I, I was like, again, I came
here a lot of times and, and This is why I always tell
people, bro, I'm like, book a fucking flight, book a plane
ticket somewhere, even if it's for a weekend.

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Change your energy, change your environment.
Cause in that experience, you'regoing to meet new people, you're
going to be exposed to new ideas, you're going to expand
your belief system and that's gonna open up new possibilities
in your life. And that's what I did.
Like, you know, I came here, I didn't really have any job lined
up and I was like, what am I passionate about?

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I'm passionate about kids, coaching sports.
So I went to the JCC. I was staying close by.
There was coaching youth basketball, youth football.
And then in that process I builtrelationships with the parents
and parents would ask me like, yo, can you also coach and train
me? You're very fit, like, and I was
like, that's funny, 'cause I'm not even certified, but I should
probably get certified. So I went through that process

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and then they shared the same building as Bommarito, so I was
constantly exposed to it at the.He's at the JCCI, don't know if
he still is. And yeah, I started doing stuff
for Pete and just exposing myself to like the advanced kind
of training modalities. And it really just fed my
passion. I was like, wow, maybe fitness

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isn't just a passion. It can actually be something
that I use as a launching pad toimpact lives.
Maybe it's a career, right? I didn't know that shit existed,
you know? So that was kind of the
foundation. And after I got into the fitness
stuff, I just became obsessed with learning more because my
clients were asking about nutrition, about different ways

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to elevate their energy and focus.
So I was like, Wim Hof breathwork, cold exposure right
early. I was like, on that shit, you
know, 10 years ago, and now everyone has a nice bath, right?
But just discovering other ways to help people.
And in that process, I was learning about myself.
I was evolving myself and then, you know, the journey found me

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in Peru. Yeah, let's let's take take us
down that because that was literally my next question is
this ayahuasca experience. Because you know, you hear a lot
of people tell their experience,but now I've got you literally
sitting across from me. So I would love to hear as much
detail as possible. I've never done it.
Have you ever done any sort of hallucinogen or plant medicine?
Never. Really.
Never. This is so interesting because

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like when I witness you and whatyou've created, I'm like, this
dude just has insane vision. You're a visionary.
And I've felt that way my whole life.
And that's why I like, for me, I've been exposed in terms of
talking to people that do ayahuasca and mushrooms and
ketamine and these kind of things.
And they, they explain it and I just have never had a real like

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my, my soul doesn't say I need that.
My soul is like saying that that's who I am already.
Like, that's just my take on it.Like I don't know if that's true
or not or whatever, but that's just kind of how I feel.
But I will say micro dosing has actually been very kind of like
starting to speak to me a littlebit more, particularly because

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I'm big into like Cordyceps and Lion's mane and cava and kratom
and stuff like that, which is kind of similar to, you know,
not really probably you'll tell me not really, but but so
anyways, I'm interested. So definitely let's let's hear
about Peru. Well, yeah.
And, and, and before we even mention that, though, like
what's again going back to your vision.
Yeah, right. This, this requires massive

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vision. And one of the beautiful things
again, and I'm curious about this, we'll talk about this
later, but like one, one thing that happened, what led me to
pursue ayahuasca at the time, I was like a very well respected
trainer. I was mostly doing like
one-on-one sessions with people at their properties in Golden

(10:33):
Beach. I went.
Down that road to. Aventura and there reached a
point bro there. Wasn't as much traffic back
then, so you could actually do that, you know.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was living in Sunny Isles,
but there, there, there was thatpoint where that light bulb
moment where it's like, OK, well, I like this, but there's
only some certain level of scalability.

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There's only one of me. Exactly right.
I have that revelation too, so. And there's that and then
there's also the the realizationas I got more mature and I kept
doing this in her work, I realized, wow, I'm getting paid
to train these people in the gym, but the shit that I'm
helping with them, helping them the most actually isn't even

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really related to fitness. It was the other stuff I was
sharing with them. So I felt like this whole time I
had built this persona and this identity that was so attached to
a trainer, like my physical body, and that was myself worth
and identity. And I knew I was meant for more.
So that was like a precursor of why I felt this call to
ayahuasca. So first night in Peru, bro,

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First night in Peru, I literallygot all of the answers I needed.
It was wild. And basically, Yeah.
And basically what happened. And just for for your knowledge,
for your for your audience, too.Ayahuasca is a plant medicine
indigenous to the Amazon, right?It's been used for thousands of
years, not just for healing, butfor expanding our consciousness,

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right? In expanding possibilities.
Because The thing is, sometimes you can't see what you can't
see. And sometimes our brains get so
rigid and we get so attached to these different identities and
stories and narratives. And sometimes it takes something
external to shake us up a littlebit and remind us how powerful

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we we are, how much potential wehave.
So dude, the first, the first ceremony of Peru, probably 3 or
4 hours in, I get a tap on my shoulder in my experience, and
it's Nicki Minaj. And she's like, she's like, yo,
Jeremy, I've been watching you and I'm like Nicki, like what

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the fuck? How do you know who I am?
She's like, yo, I've been watching you and I actually want
to do an Instagram Live with youright now where you can just
share whatever's on your mind for 30 minutes.
What? Year is this.
This is 2018 and The funny thingabout it bro is like I was not a
fan of Nikki's music. Like she had collabs with Drake
and I would always skip through her part like I was just not a

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fan until this moment. Now I like I'm just holding love
for her. So basically basically in that
experience, Nikki was like giving me permission to just do
an Instagram Live with her. So I just start channeling
during my ayahuasca ceremony, which you're not really supposed
to do 'cause everyone, there's fifteen other people at mine
and. When you say, when you say
channeling, what do you mean? Channeling, I just mean speaking

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out loud. Oh, OK, as if I'm on this
Instagram live. Oh wow.
But everyone's going through their own experience, so it's
not recommended to really, like,be speaking because that could
affect someone else's, right? But I start speaking and the
shaman and the medicine team like, came over to make sure I
was OK. They saw I was OK, and they just
let me keep speaking. So I'm just sharing, bro.

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Stream of consciousness right inthis deep state with ayahuasca.
And what happened was a couple hours later, after the ceremony
ended, six or seven of the people from my group came up to
me separately. And they're like, bro, you have
no idea how much your words helped me.
They literally shifted my whole perspective.

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They got me out of like a lot ofdarkness.
Whatever you said was a revelation, and you have a gift.
Do you remember what you said? No.
No, no, but I I have an idea. Like it was just channeling.
I wish that shit was recorded, but but that was a permission
slip, like just giving me that validation of what I already

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knew that I had inside of me. So shortly thereafter, I was
like, I'm gonna start creating content from an authentic space.
I want to start recording a podcast.
I want to just start expressing more of my authentic expression
with the intention of empoweringothers to do the same.
Because 99% of people are walking through life wearing a

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fucking mask. You're wearing a mask at work.
You're wearing a mask with your husband or wife.
You're wearing a mask with that group of friends.
You're marrying a mask when you go out at night.
And it's like we're fearing justbeing ourselves.
It's like. Say that again.
Like the biggest fear that humans have is actually just
being. Themselves, that is, That is the

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most profound thing that needs to be said so many times because
I 1000% I've had this conversation with some of my
really close friends of like what?
What would a world look like if we took the mask off?
What would the world look like if we truly said what's really

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going on in here? These conversations that we have
in our, you know. Like, well, when did that happen
for you? Because again, you were
training, you build your first gym out in O8, right?
You're obviously like a big fucking Jack, dude.
So people are obviously going tohave their own stories like this
is how many I. Think that's what it is, is for
me was and that even started young.

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So I was, I was always the the star athlete, right?
Like that was who I was, you know, he's the star athlete.
So whether it was basketball, baseball, football, you know, I
was always the guy. Tennis, like everything.
Oh, you played tennis? Yeah, everything.
So we got a hit sometime. Well, I haven't played in a long
time, so don't don't Get Me Out there.
But back in the day, you know, when my younger self, so I also

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loved art, I loved music, I loved singing.
I loved all these other things that weren't considered, you
know, the jock stuff. And so I was the lead in the
plays. And like I'll never forget I was
the lead in lullaby of Broadway,you know, on in high school.
So wow. And that side of me as far as

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the the deep, like inside of me was probably more I had more
passion for that than I even didworking out in the sports and
all that. I was just so good at it that I
did it. And then also too, I mean, I did
enjoy it obviously, but I can say that like I always felt like
you said, more than that, more than a body, more than a guy

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that you know, can work out or play football.
I always felt like I had way more to offer way more from a
creative standpoint, from a visionary standpoint, from a
sharing standpoint, like I knew that I was meant for more from
from an early age. Yeah.
And this is just like, this is just kind of like your
paintbrush and this is like yourfoundation where you're using

(17:34):
this as a launching pad to just impact all types of people in
all sorts of ways. Yeah, it was, it was very early
on where also I would say and and I'll have to ask you about
this. So they say like ayahuasca does,
it's like the death of the ego. Is that true or how do you feel
about? It yeah, I dude it it's
interesting, right? A lot of spiritual gurus will

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talk about, you know, dissolvingyour ego, killing your ego.
I actually have a different perspective.
I don't think you. Thought you did.
So I don't think you should try to kill your ego.
I think you should actually try to understand your ego and
become friends with your ego andnot allow your ego to have
control over you. But don't try to kill your ego

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because actually your ego is helpful in many different ways.
Your ego has helped you become the person that you are today.
So let's not just vilify the ego, right?
It's actually becoming friends with the ego.
Same thing with anxiety. People are like, yo, I wanna
fucking eliminate my anxiety. I'm like, but I guarantee your

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anxiety actually serves you. In some ways it's like, how can
we just better understand it? Yeah, I call it like just being
more self aware. So self-awareness is something
that I just think people like completely miss a lot of times.
And I think as you get older, you that self-awareness really
like comes to like you start to realize who you are.

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And when you fuck up, when you act like an idiot, when you say
stupid shit, like you immediately recognize it and
you're like, oh shit, I shouldn't have done, you know,
and then you correct it. But like some people it takes
them years and years just to become.
I'm self aware so. And let's actually piggyback off
that for ayahuasca mushroom psychedelics.

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Let's just be very clear. I know people who have done
hundreds of ayahuasca ceremoniesand they're still a shit show,
OK? Because they haven't actually
applied the lessons that they learned into their day-to-day
life. And that's really what the work
is. That's what the integration is
all about. It's like, OK, I received these
powerful downloads, what am I going to do with them?

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Yep, right knowledge. Without application is a waste
of time. Exactly, And like you said, you
had a vision for this place backin O8, right?
Yep. And you put it up what, 16 years
later, right. But it started as a as a vision
and you didn't let the vision die, right.
You know, and going back to whatyou were saying too, it's
interesting, like we will alwaysdo.

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What we get validated for externally.
So if you're really hot and attractive and you get a bunch
of validation and compliments, you're gonna keep posting those
pictures of you in the bikini. Not that there's anything wrong
with that. And so many dudes also just get
attached like you're jacked, you're a trainer, whatever.
You have a nice body and you allow that to become your

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identity and you're allowing your starve your, your soul to
be starved in that process. Cause your soul has such a
bigger purpose beyond your body,beyond the physical realm.
So we're going to continue chasing the validation
externally from what we're getting complimented on.
So you're an amazing athlete, you're an amazing trainer, you

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have an amazing physique. It's like, OK, let me keep doing
more of that. So I keep getting the love
right, right. Because we all crave love at the
end of the day. And it's not until you actually
take a pause and you're like, yo, wait, is this in alignment
with me? Like, what am I?
What am I doing? Trying to please all of these
people externally and neglectingmy soul in the process.

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And that's, that's what's allowed you to create the impact
you are doing right now is because, you know, your soul is
here for a much bigger mission beyond the fucking fitness
stuff, right? You know?
Yep. It's beautiful.
And so how many, how many times have you done ayahuasca?
I've done it 8 ceremonies total.OK, So what happened the second

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ceremony, So the Nicki Minaj, usually you go on a retreat for
like 7 days and you'll do 3 ceremonies.
OK, Like maybe you'll do it one night, take a break the next
night, do it the next night after that.
Because what happens is every single ayahuasca ceremony is its
own movie, its own revelation. And what's interesting is like

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Someone Like You, you're like, Idon't really think I need this.
My life's pretty good. I'm mentally stable, I'm
financially stable, I'm thriving.
I have good relationships. What's beautiful about ayahuasca
bro is it gives you exactly whatyou need, not necessarily what
you want. What you want?
Right, right. And that's why it's so powerful.

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They call it grandmother. They call ayahuasca the
grandmother medicine because it's like that wise grandmother
that gives you so much love, butshe's also not afraid to give
you that tough love, right? She's going to show you where
you've been out of alignment. She's going to be showing you
where you're out of integrity, and she's also going to
acknowledge you for where you'redoing amazing.

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People think ayahuasca is alwaysthis really dark experience.
Ayahuasca bro, you get, you see how much light and love and
gratitude and oneness and connection there is.
And that's why so many people have experiences and they have
this new found appreciation for God.
And I think we would as a society all benefit more if we

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felt that connection to God, right, to this universal power,
Right, Right. And yeah, man.
So like the second ceremony, it's the last, last, last
ceremony I'll share with you. But like, the second ceremony
again is when the ship with my brother came up.
So I was literally purging in a bucket.
But I knew intuitively I wasn't purging for me and I literally

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felt my brother's guilt, shame, insecurity being purged out of
me and I hadn't thought about mybrother in months.
I was like, that dude has been out of my life for so long.
I just accepted it. Younger.
Older. Older brother, five years older,
I'm 34, he's 39. OK.
And I was like, what does this mean?

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And I was like, oh shit, I didn't realize how much his
absence actually affected me in my life because I had this fear
of abandonment. Because shit, if the person I'm
closest to just leaves, right, what's going to keep you from
doing the same shit? So in all my friendships,
intimate relationships, I was never allowing myself to get too

(24:14):
close to someone because I had this fear that they would just
fucking leave, right? And I didn't have that
realization until the ayahuasca experience.
And it also led me to like, justcall my brother.
And I was like, yo, bro, I don'tgive a fuck about the shit from
the past 15 years, dude. We can start fresh.
You don't have to hold on to allof the guilt, right?

(24:35):
Like, I'm moving past it. Let's fucking start a new life
together, you know? And that would have never
happened without ayahuasca. So it just brings awareness to
things that we're not even thinking about, right?
You know. How are y'all today?
It's it's still like a roller coaster I would say, you know,
definitely in a completely different space.

(24:58):
Positively, yeah, yeah. But still challenges for sure.
My, my brother struggles with some mental things like bipolar
and stuff. So it can be really tough when
you have a loved one with bipolar, man.
It's so unpredictable and one day you think everything is good

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and then literally the next moment shit's hitting the fan.
So it's really taught me just like surrender and acceptance, I
can only show up and support youas much as you're willing to be
supported. And that's just a powerful
lesson for life is like, how often are we trying to help
someone who doesn't actually want to be helped or they're not

(25:44):
open to receiving the support? It happens all the time with our
parents and shit. It's like we're healthy.
We have all this knowledge we want to share with our parents
and we almost like force it uponthem, but they're not ready to
receive it in that way, right? So we almost have to pause, come
from a place of love and also remember that it's not our

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obligation to transform their happiness.
Obviously, we can show up in themost powerful way possible, but
it's like that. It's been a valuable lesson.
It's been like a, a, a, we call it like a tea Coon.
This word tea Coon from Kabbalahmeans soul's repair.
So our soul has come here with things to repair, whether it's

(26:29):
jealousy issues, anger, insecurities, fear of
abandonment. And our job is to heal that and
then help others do the same. So I'm curious for you, bro, I
shared like the fear of abandonment thing was showing up
and very prevalent for me, for you, like, you know, you
crushing it through childhood, crushing it, building these

(26:51):
gyms, you built this name for yourself, this reputation.
Like, what do you feel like is areally big obstacle you've had
to overcome? Pain So in my junior year in
high school, I broke my back andit was, you know, again, like
when you're the, the athlete andthen all of a sudden that's kind

(27:12):
of like you're starting to second guess it because every
single time you're trying to do something that your, your back
and the shooting nerve pain is and it's unbearable.
And you, you just, you feel likeyou're dying in a certain way,
you know, and and you're lettingeveryone down that's around you,
including your dad. You know, he's like, you're not

(27:33):
hustling, you're not doing this.And and you're trying to explain
no, it I'm in pain. Like it's, it's horrible pain,
but because you're a bad ass andyou're still like, I played nine
games with a broken back and I was.
Junior year of high school. High school, like literally
Briarwood Christian High School in Birmingham, AL.
So I, you know, and I'm talking like I was, let's see, junior

(27:56):
61220 middle linebacker running back, and I'm playing these
games with a broken back becauseI was misdiagnosed with, they
said I had a pulled muscle, but I really had a hairline fracture
in my L5S1 vertebrae. What a terrible misstep.
Yeah, that was. And then just like I think going

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through that process of not giving up on myself though,
regardless of the pain, regardless of how I felt, and
just just keep going, just keep going.
At an early age, I learned how to do that.
And because what you can't, likeit's either quit or you keep
going like there's no other, youknow, there's two options.
And so I just refused to quit. And then finally I got diagnosed

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properly, ended up healing myself and then going to Auburn,
playing at Auburn, and then I broke my back.
So then it was a hairline fracture.
And then when I went to Auburn, I did it again and it was a full
fracture. So then I did it again.
And here I didn't know you played in the SEC.
Yeah, 96 through 2000. So War Eagle.

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My dad played at Auburn too, so those are our jerseys out there.
But that's so sick, man Pretty cool.
You can tell my dad's jerseys from the 70s.
It's that fishnet you. Guys, nice.
I'm trying to think, wait, because because I I I'm a big
avid fan of college football. OK, That was because I remember
it was probably at the end of that run.
I was also a big Georgia Tech fan.

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My dad's from Atlanta. OK, so trying to think Auburn 96
to 2000. Our probably our best year was
97 when we played Tennessee in the SEC Championship.
Game when they had Peyton Manning.
Yeah, we went ten and three thatyear and almost beat Peyton
Manning. I think that he beat US 2927 in
the SEC Championship game. OK, So yeah, that was like

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probably my like, you know, funnest in the world, but you
know, great year. Fuck yeah it is funnest.
Yeah, we make it a. Word.
Funnest year. I don't even know if that's
work, but no, we make it. We'll make it a word today.
So that was fun. I was the backup for Tequila
Spikes, who will end up in the Hall of Fame.
Shout out to Tequila had the biggest neck we've ever seen in
our life. But I had a 22 inch neck too.

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So those are the days. But yeah, so I I broke my back
again and then, you know, here you go again.
You're you're like, you know, what the heck am I going to do
with my life? I was supposed to be in the NFL.
I'm supposed to do this. So I had about a three month
like super depressed time went from 2:40 to 195, but not like a

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bad 195, man, it was a sexy 195.But but yeah, but it was trying
to figure out like what's next. And so it was a lot of those
three months were big time depression, but I came out of it
and just realized, OK, how can Iuse this to help others?
So I dove into exercise science,kinesiology, health promotions,

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really started to figure out thebody and why did this happen to
me and how can I not let this happen to other athletes.
And so I started training guys on the football team and just
like just gaining as much knowledge as possible.
Then I had the opportunity to finish my degree at Stanford
University as the assistant strength coach.
So that's how I got my SO instead of like doing like a a

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written exam to your last year to finish, you know, to get your
diploma. I actually did AI think it's an
internship. So to get my, you know,
bachelors of science at, at Auburn.
And then yeah, so that I would say to go back to your question.
And then I'd suffered with this back pain from 2000 to 2001,

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2002 ish, on and off till about 3 years ago, you know, like on
and off, of course not, not every day of my life, but for 3
1/2 years there was everyday pain for 3 1/2 years.
But just dealing with that, you know, and just, and it messes
with you, like it messes with your mood, it messes with your
relationships, it messes with everything.

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And so just, I feel like that has been something that because
I didn't give up, give up on myself in those moments and I
came out on the other side of ithealthy and thriving that I can
always kind of channel that thatman, if I can make it through
that, I can make it through anything.
So I'm not sure if that answeredyour question.
But no, dude, it's literally it's, it's, it's the perfect, I

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had no expectation for your answer, but it's literally the
perfect answer 'cause I was, I was telling you about like T
Coon this whole idea. You're, you know, we always have
things to work on and improve, but there's overriding lessons
that show up in our life, right?There's people that, you know,
go from one toxic relationship to another toxic relationship to
another toxic relationship. In that whole process, they're

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actually dating the same person in a different avatar, right?
And the reason it keeps showing up is because they're not
learning the lesson the first time, and God is giving them
another identical lesson. Are you going to pass this test?
OK, you're not. You're going to get it again.
Some people have a lifetime of that shit.

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And I would say that's, that's one of my, I don't know if you
call it a gift or whatever is I've always been really good at
not making the same mistake twice, if of reading a book and
applying it, being in a relationship and learning from
that relationship, not doing it again.
And exactly what you said. So I've, we've all had psycho
girlfriends and bad relationships and bad friends

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and bad business partners. And, but are you going to repeat
that? Are you going to fall into that
same trap? And I feel, I feel like I've
done a real good job of identifying that, of what's not
good for me and then going to find something better, you know?
Going back to the whole T Coon idea, right?
You literally had this massive obstacle and challenge in your

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life. You fucking broke your back.
You had your life at the time pretty much taken away from you.
You got misdiagnosed which just set you back years right?
Compromised your actual life. Like that's a deadly potential.
Like a life ending procedure, like my dad was a neurologist,

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like the spinal cord and the spine.
Like that's some real shit, right?
I felt paralyzed from the neck down.
I've I've felt that twice in my life, like where I did not feel
anything from the neck down. 1. On a football field and one on a
boating accident. The both lasted probably around
30 seconds to a minute and my chiropractor in my osteopath

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said that I was probably like this close to being paralyzed
so. That's crazy.
Yeah. And the reason why I think it's
just a powerful reflection is because you used every single
obstacle, every single challengethat you personally went through
in your life, and you weren't making excuses.

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You weren't playing the victim. You actually used it as an
opportunity to help others overcome physical pain, right?
Right. Challenges with their health.
And that probably would have never happened if you didn't go
through that experience. Oh, definitely, Definitely,
definitely. Which is, which is.
And I love what you just said because I'm so annoyed with this

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planned victim, you know, and I feel like so many people do
that. They're a victim of their
circumstances and you're not, you know, your circumstances do
not define you. Your choices do.
And so that's just such, that's such a powerful statement
because that's exactly how I felt is that I could have been
like, I'm supposed to be in the NFL.

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I'm supposed to be a bad ass football player, you know, and
well, I guess my life's over. Or I could have channeled like I
did and said, no, let me go helpcollege and professional
athletes perform better. And it's interesting because I
kind of came, I kind of became known as the guy that helped
guys that were coming off bad injuries.
So like 2, two or three of my biggest clients I ever worked

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with came off of career ending injuries that I helped rehab
back. Yeah.
Shawn Living Shawn Livingston isprobably my most like greatest
accomplishment as far as just working with an individual and
just seeing him overcome one of the nastiest injuries of our
lifetime, you know, and just being a part of his journey.

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And now four time world championand his he's thriving in life
for the family, beautiful family, beautiful house.
It's just that those are the moments where you look back and
you're like, again, not taking credit for it at all.
I had this much to do with it, but I still had this much to do
with it. And it's like I had a little bit

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of an impact on that guy, you know, which is, and I think it's
his letter. He wrote me a letter, a
handwritten letter, and it's hanging in my office just for
that that reason. Is he living in Miami?
He's in Las Vegas. OK, got it.
I'm a big war. I grew up like in the Bay.
Area. Oh, no way.
So I was a fan of the Warriors when we were 17 and 65 and it
was like Monte Ellis was the only good player.

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So I'm a huge fan kind of Sean bro.
Like he's he was such a valuableaddition for the Warriors.
Like he would come off the benchand like he didn't even have to
score. But like his energy, his
defense, his versatility. His knowledge of the game like
spacing and passing and complimenting is.

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I mean, he was a true point guard, like a real legit, you
know, knew the game like you know, he's he's he's a he's a
great guy. Great.
And by the way, to talk about ayahuasca mushrooms, right?
Literally, you can think about it in the way that we're talking
right now and connecting and podcasting.
We're having one conversation and then it like sparks this new

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conversation and it's like this never ending, like beautiful
fucking tree of life branching off in these different
directions. That's kind of what plant
medicine opens up. So take that into the transition
to mushrooms and microdoses because perfect, that's your
expertise. So I would love for you to kind

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of transition into that. A little, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And one of the things, and I'm going to right now, one of the
things just to circle back, because we were talking earlier
about the importance of actuallylike recognizing your strengths.
I think we were sharing that whether it's with an athlete,
like there's athletes that have 1520 year careers and they might

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be the 7th, 8th man, right? But they know their role, they
know their strength. That's one of the greatest
superpowers you can have in thislife is actually having the
self-awareness to understand what you're fucking great at.
What is my unique gift? What can I bring to the world?
Maybe it's your smile, your energy, your presence.

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Maybe it's your ability to ask questions and listen.
Maybe it's your creative solutions to big problems.
Like we all have different superpowers and gifts within us.
And once you actually have the courage to identify that and go
all in on them, that's when you fucking create a reality that is
very special and that's what you've done.

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And that's, that's something youjust said, go all in.
That's why I feel like people just they, they hold back just
going all in on it. I would say this all the time.
Pick one thing that you're one thing that you're great at and
give me one year of complete commitment to that one thing.

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And if you do that, your life will change.
It's impossible not to. Even if you fail, something
great will come out of it because if you because you never
going to know what your true purpose is unless you commit to
it. And I feel like we're living in
a world where everybody's tryingto be everything to everyone and
they're being pulled in all these different directions

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because we're being just overloaded with, I mean,
algorithms and, and content, allthat.
And everyone is giving you advice.
Everybody's giving you advice. I don't care if it's an 18 year
old sitting in his mom's basement or some 75 year old guy
living on a farm in Iowa, they're giving you advice.
So all these young people are getting advice about everything

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and they don't know what the hell to do.
But you got to find that one thing that you're good at or
great at or at least passionate about and then give it a try.
Like actually try like, you know?
Take action, like action. And that's so true too.
I feel like we're living in a culture that we're constantly
being exposed to this person giving us advice, this person

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giving us advice, that person giving us advice that we've
drowned out our own intuition, we've drowned out our own voice.
It's like, you know what would be a massive benefit to every
single person listening right now is delete social media for
48 hours. Literally 2 fucking days.
Delete every single app and actually spend that time that

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you would be mindlessly scrolling.
Spend it journaling. Spend.
Spend it reflecting. Spend it with yourself.
Spend it in silence. How about that?
Like, sit with yourself. That's a novel idea.
When have you ever sat with yourself?
Nothing, No music, no nothing. Go find a quiet place.
It could be the beach, it could be whatever and just sit with
yourself and let your mind talk and and speak to you.

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And then maybe something comes up and, you know, it's like
we're just bombarded by technology TV's and this and
that and that. It's like we're, there's no
silence. And, and that's something I
think I love that because it's did you know that the Instagram
was designed like the like the Vegas casinos, like the, the,
the slot. You know how it's it's it's.

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The dopamine. Yeah, the dopamine hit is the
same. They did Instagram on purpose.
The swiping is a dopamine play so.
And and we're, we're, The thing is we as a society are extremely
technologically advanced. We're all the way up here,
right? But spiritually, we're down

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here. We've gone backwards.
So what happens when you give a primate who hasn't fully evolved
their self-awareness or their spirituality?
You give them access to a fucking supercomputer at all
times in their pocket, right? With all the dopamine hits you
could ever ask for, they have 0 control over it and that is the

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biggest thing. I feel like preventing people
from actually taking action and pursuing their purpose is a
constant addiction to a distraction, and that's one of
the things that actually mushrooms can help with.
So tell me a little bit about, SO you had the ayahuasca
experience. Yeah.
When was your first like, hey, Iwant to try mushrooms?

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Like was it something you just wanted to try?
Did you do research? Like how did you get into micro
dosing? Yeah.
Personally, yeah, pretty much after that first experience with
ayahuasca, I was just like, holyshit, this is so powerful.
What else is out there? What other plant medicines,
indigenous things are out there from nature that we can tap into

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to expand our health, expand ourhealing, expand our
consciousness? When I landed on mushrooms, bro,
I was like so shocked that thesethings were fucking a schedule 1
drug in America. I was like, there's literally
not one person in the world thathas been documented to have
overdosed on mushrooms and died.Literally not one in the history
of the world. Wow, you you compare that shit

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to any pharmaceutical SSRI's, especially when you talk about
benzos and you talk about all ofthis shit that healthcare and
big pharma's pushing out. These things are not only highly
addictive, but literally people are dying from them.
Wow, you take too many and you're fucking done, right?
Right, right. You can't overdose on nature,
you can't overdose on mushrooms,right?

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So when I discovered the brain benefits, specifically
neuroplasticity. So mushrooms have a chemical
compound called psilocybin, and psilocybin increases something
in the brain called BDNF, Brain derived neutrophic factor.
BDNF is a precursor for neuroplasticity, this idea of

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creating new neural connections in the brain, new ideas, new
creativity, letting go of old patterns and habits that don't
serve us anymore. Right.
And I was like, Oh my gosh, thisis literally why they're called
magic mushrooms and so few people actually are aware of it.
And then some other cool things that mushrooms do is they

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decrease activity to the amygdala part of the brain.
Now the amygdala is responsible for fear.
So most people who have really bad anxiety, ADHD, they have
overactive amygdalas. Psilocybin actually reduces
blood flow to that area of the brain.
It's essentially starving fear from the brain, which allows you

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to be more present, more at peace.
The list goes described like that.
That's really interesting. And the list goes on and on.
And I would say another thing like that you can't really
measure in a study, right, is mushrooms allow you to actually
feel your fucking feelings, especially as men, like we're
programmed that if we cry, we'rea pussy, that if we get angry,

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we're fucking toxic masculinity,right?
So where do we do? Where, where do we go as men?
We fucking just stay right in the middle.
We don't express any emotion, right?
What mushrooms allow you to do is actually feel your feelings
Like, oh shit, I'm actually feeling a little upset right
now. I'm not going to do anything
destructive. But now I have the awareness and
now it's about how am I going tochannel these emotions in a

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healthy way? I'm not going to run away from
them. I'm not going to numb them, but
I'm going to be aware of them and find the tools to actually
address what's going on internally, right?
And and yeah, man, like authenticity, we were talking
about that. Mushrooms really fucking helped
me just not give a fuck about the opinions of other people,

(45:55):
quite frankly, right? You know what I'm saying?
So my dad's background in brain health and neurology always kind
of lingered in this interest forme.
How can we take things that are going to benefit us cognitively,
with our focus, with our energy,with our presence and not have
any long term effects, right? And that are safe, that aren't

(46:18):
going to be addictive? Like I love kratom.
Kratom's amazing, right? I think it's going to be one of
the next things that is going toreally be a big industry, OK?
And it's also operating on your opioid receptors.
So that's why you see people at kratom bars.
They'll be in there for fucking 12 hours, bro, with four kratoms

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and they're like, Oh yeah, I'm good, I'm not drinking alcohol.
Yeah, bro, but you just spent $70.00 fucking activating the
shit out of your opioid receptors and that's why you're
addicted. And you're going to be here
tomorrow doing the same exact shit.
So kratom has a great intention of if you're addicted to
opioids, it can help you wean off potentially.

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But what it's also done is a lot.
Create another addiction. Exactly like vaping, right?
The whole idea of vaping like, oh, we're going to help you stop
smoking cigarettes. Really.
And then I heard it's worse. Oh it is.
It's worse. But yeah, we could go in on
vaping and then everyone is justin high school and college
ripping a fucking jewel. Crazy, yeah.
So yeah, man, I'm all about reminding people and literally

(47:27):
like, dude, these are the micro dosing capsules.
It's just any fucking supplement, dude.
It's 250 milligrams of psilocybin, 200 milligrams of
lion's mane, 200 milligrams of Cordyceps, a little bit of
beetroot powder for the extra blood flow, that extra pump in
the gym, you feel me? And.
So tell me about because I'm I obviously take Cordyceps and
lion's mane and is there chonga chonga like stuff like that.

(47:51):
So cuz those are in there too. So like how does those, does it
enhance those or is it just that's also just part of the?
So it's really important when itcomes to mushrooms, and I'm
talking about functional mushrooms, like the legal type,
to understand the sourcing. 99% of the shit you buy is coming

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from brown rice substrate. It's not actually coming from
the fruiting body. You always want to look for
fruiting body. Fruiting body is just the.
Fruiting body. That's just the.
Cap in the stem of the mushroom.OK, now 99% of mushroom
supplements are using mycelium, which is actually all the shit
underground that you can't see. And there's very, very little

(48:34):
benefits to taking any of that. Oh wow.
So you want to make sure you're using the fruiting bodies,
fruiting bodies, organic fruiting body extracts.
Write that. Down and like any mushroom
supplement that's using that will fucking say it because
yeah, yeah, it's like wild caught salmon or grass fed beef
it's like you're going to leverage the fact that you're
using high quality shit right right.

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So yeah, the reason we put, the reason we take these Monday,
Wednesday, Friday mornings, I work with a lot of Monday.
Wednesday, Friday mornings. Yeah, work with a lot of high
performers, entrepreneurs, parents, right?
This is beautiful. Because it's not going to alter
their state where they can't do something at a high level.

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They can still be with their kids.
Crush it out, work, crush it in the gym, crush it in all aspects
of life, and you're actually just gonna be more present and
more focused and less distracted.
That's the whole intention. So talk about dosing, so you
mentioned, I think you said 250 milligrams of psilocybin in
there. Yeah.
And that's where and that describes the feeling you just

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said where you can still function and be with your kids
and all that exactly. So talk about the dosing.
Yeah. So the reason we we put lion's
mane Cordyceps and beetroot powder in there, yeah, is
because if you just microdose with psilocybin by itself, you
might just want to chill in nature, which is amazing.
You might just like want to disconnect from work, right,

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Which is amazing also, but we have to get shit done right.
We're living in a fucking 3D World where, you know, we have
priorities, we have responsibilities.
So those combination of things just increase brain function,
focus, blood flow. That's why we, we put them in

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there again, once you start getting to like and, and for the
record, for the record, what's really cool about this man,
What's really cool is like, you can take a micro dose and you
might not feel much of a difference and that's OK.
There might be other days you micro dose and you're like,
whoa, like I really feel locked in.

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I feel so fucking present, so focused, tapped into flow state.
Distractions don't exist, right?And we recommend taking it in
pretty much a fasted state in the morning, maybe with some
orange juice, fresh squeezed or like a smoothie or a banana,
something light so you can actually receive it.

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But once you start taking like anything above a gram, 2G, three
grams, like one of the chocolates, that's when you
start to like, you don't want tobe working.
Working with your kids. Yeah, Yeah.
Maybe you want to be with your kids because do you have kids?
Yes. OK.
How many kids? 2 So I have a five year old son

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and a eight-month old daughter. Oh amazing bro Congrats.
Thanks. So one of the one of the biggest
pieces of feedback that we get because 90% of the people I work
with are parents. And they say that microdosing
has allowed them to be so much more present and patient with
their children. Because I'm sure you can relate
to this. Like kids can really test your

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patience. They can trigger you.
Yeah. Yeah.
For. Sure, but the problem isn't
them. The problem is not the
three-year old who wants attention and wants love.
Right? Like they're actually a perfect
mirror for us. Wait, how can I actually just be
more like you? How can I be more carefree?
So I say that all the time, likeespecially having a five year

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old son and just watching him live life.
I, I often just say I'm like, like, how, how have we gotten so
fucked up? You know, like how have we ended
up where we are? And we started out with this
beautiful, joyful, no care in the world, you know, like No

(52:30):
Fear. No, like it's just he, he's like
his own little superhero. You know, he can do anything And
and he's so joyful. That's the joy is what gives me
joy. But but seeing pure joy in a
child from the time he wakes up,from the time he goes to bed,
obviously there's moments of, you know, tantrums and stuff,

(52:51):
but like not not many. And seeing that, it's just such
a reminder that like, we should be more childlike, we should be
more present, we should be more grateful, we should be more
joyful in this world. And don't let life just beat you
up and turn you into some emotional grumpy person you know

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so. And most, you know, one of the
biggest pains that so many parents experience later on in
life is that they have a shitty relationship with their
children. And most of that honestly starts
in your first seven years of life.
That's when a child's brain is getting programmed.
So how you speak to them, how you show up to them, how you

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discipline them, how you interact with them is going to
impact your relationship with them for the next decade, 20
years, 30 years, right? And most of us don't have the
tools because we just parent ourchildren how we were parented
and we just repeat the same fucking patterns.

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That's why we need to actually become the leaders of our
lineage and break these generational curses.
To me, you should like it's our job, our purpose to leave the
next generation better than we found it.
Like that's to me, it's like my dad did the absolute best that
he could do with what he had. So I need to learn from that and

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then add to it and be better than my dad.
And that's not a shot at my dad.That's saying that my dad should
be proud of that that now I wantmy son to know even more than
what my dad shared me. Like now I have more year and
this world like we've, we have, we have more knowledge, we have
more, more things that we've experienced.

(54:36):
So. And you know what?
You know what is actually arguably the biggest pandemic
happening right now in America is fucking daddy issues, bro.
And I'm not just talking about women, like dudes with daddy
issues. Like the family dynamic in
America has been absolutely attacked and destroyed.

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Like how many present powerful, inspiring, loving fathers do you
actually know? Right.
Like it's crazy bro, like it's sad.
Actually, it's really. Sad, I believe that my greatest
privilege, you know, was being born to two parents that loved
each other and loved me and likemy dad just led by example.

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Did he do everything perfect? Absolutely not.
Did he make mistakes? Absolutely.
But like, did he do the best he can and raise a really good son?
Yes. And would I be the person I man
without my dad? Absolutely not, bro.
I don't even want to think whereI would be if it was just my mom
that raised me. My no, no, no shade to my mom.
She's incredible. But I think every child needs a

(55:43):
strong masculine energy to help teach them, mold them, protect
them. And men need men.
Like, yeah, that's just a fact. You know, and you see and you
see a lot of the shit that's happening today, whether it's,
you know, the abundance of 1819.You ask a 17 year old girl, hey,
what do you want to be when you grow up?
They're like, I can't wait till I turn 18 so I can start an only

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fans account. Bro.
There's a lot of girls living life like that.
Yeah. What's the father situation
there? Like imagine that person with
actually a really loving dad in her life.
I guarantee she probably wouldn't be dreaming of being an
only fans model as her career choice, right, Right.
So the fact that you're showing up for your kids bro is such a

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gift and a blessing. And I feel like that's honestly
one of the things probably that's going to help create the
biggest impact in your life like.
Oh, without a doubt, like children and your own kids and
people tell you my brother has three kids and, and he got, he
was had a head start, you know, and he and he's my younger
brother and he used to just, youknow, tell me.

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And then obviously I witnessed it too.
But even though I loved them to death and, and it's not the same
like once you have your own children and you experience it,
it is literally I can't, I can'ttalk about enough.
I spent like six hours with my daughter this morning, just
literally just just me and her. And she's nine months actually

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now. And it's just, it's, I can't
even explain it. Like it's like you're just
sitting like you're like, it's dumb.
Like, you know, you're goofy, like you're just like, what do
we do? Like it's, it's just a great
beautiful feeling again to see the innocence, the joy of their
lives because they haven't been,they haven't been exposed to

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anything negative really, you know, yet.
So. Well, our big, our biggest job
as adults, when you actually getolder, your biggest
responsibility is to unlearn allthe shit, all the programs that
no longer serve you, all the shit that school taught you, all
the shit that the parent, your parents taught you, all the shit
that society taught you. That was just fucking trash.

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And it was a projection of theirown insecurities in life.
So that's what mushrooms help you do.
They help you unlearn like yo, wait, this habit, this thought
pattern, this belief system, no,that shit doesn't serve me.
I'm going to toss that to the side and I'm going to, I'm going
to actually create habits that are aligned with the life I want

(58:17):
to create. So it's all about awareness.
Like it's the same shit. And maybe you, maybe I feel like
the combination of your mindset,like your life, the fact that
you have two young kids, like you're probably going through a
psychedelic journey every day, right, without actually taking.
Oh, you're and you're, I mean, I, I agree with you on that.
Like, and then also too, I'm a very spiritual person.

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So I believe, you know, I'm morespirit than I am body.
And so having that connection with Jesus and God and, and just
like talking to God constantly. You know, I think like a lot of
times people think that you praylike certain time.
No, you can literally like thankGod constantly throughout the
day. You can have conversations with
God constantly, like all day long, like anytime there.

(59:02):
You don't have to be, you know, in church.
You don't have to be at a Bible study.
Like you could just be like, what's up, God?
Yeah. And then I love what you said
earlier about when you're on thebeach and experiencing the sky
and the sun. Like I tell people all the time,
and it's sad because we live in Miami, but how many times do you
just go to the beach and put your freaking toes in the sand
and watch the sunrise, watch thesunset and hear the waves get in

(59:25):
the water come out. And I'm not talking about
partying and having your friendsthere and playing beach
volleyball. I'm talking about you yourself
and just enjoying nature. Like when's the last time you've
done that and try it? So we got to wrap up, but.
No. Do we have 5 minutes?
Yes, yeah. So I'm going to give you the
mic, of course. But I do want you to think about

(59:47):
one thing, because I asked all my guests this is if there was
one thing that you wanted the world to know about you, but
they don't and it's something that you haven't like, like let
the world know, what would that be?
You'll have to answer that now, but because you sound like.
I'm gay. Manning.
God, No. Just kidding, just kidding.

(01:00:09):
Can you invite you to? That would be awesome if you
would like I'm it's live on the big dogs.
I'm actually only gonna go buy my pronouns moving forward.
Oh Lord, stop. Yeah, you can call me King
Legend, boss. Those are my pronouns.
Yeah. I mean, we'll, we'll get to

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that. I think one of the things and I
just to just to about the whole parenting thing, obviously
that's going to be one of your greatest teachers, but I think
that's actually going to be one of the things that people
witnessing you being a dad is going to be so impactful, bro.
Like I know a big part of my purpose is being a committed

(01:00:52):
husband, the best dad ever. Like that chapter of my life
hasn't started yet, but I can't fucking wait for when it happens
because I've seen it so clearly that it's going to be the most
impactful part of my life. Like, people are going to
witness the way I show up for mywoman and for my children, and
they're going to be like, Yo, that guy is just an amazing man,

(01:01:14):
not only with business, with hishealth, with his spirituality,
but like, he fucking cares. He's present.
He's loving. Like, that's what I want to be
remembered for, you know? So yeah, I love it.
That's kind of something that, you know, because I haven't
stepped into that next chapter yet, I feel like.
We'll have some years on you, soit's all good you have time.

(01:01:36):
How old are you? I'm 47.
OK so yeah damn bro, I hope I look like you have 47 shit.
What I was going to also say toois, you know, we were talking
about authenticity and this is like a really, this is one of
the things that I feel like so many people struggle with, bro,
especially in a place like Miamithat is so aesthetically

(01:01:57):
focused, that's so material, right?
It's like, how hot can you be? How much money do you got?
How much material shit do you have?
What Car you drive in? It's like at the end of the day,
none of those things are you. None of those things are you.
Those are just masks for your avatar.
There's absolutely nothing wrongwith having nice shit.
Treat yourself, especially if itbrings you joy and like you're

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going to use it and you're goingto appreciate it.
But by no means are those thingsyou.
Those are all external things that we're chasing to actually
feel whole and complete. All you need is to really
connect to your soul, like really deeply and feel into
that. Like what does your soul want to
express that you're not currently expressing?

(01:02:42):
I have so many hot girlfriends that are.
They all yours or just? No, no friends that are girls
and they're so they're so intelligent and they have a lot
of depth. But if you looked at their
social media feed you would never fucking think it bro I.
Mean that's it it. It just is mind boggling
sometimes when you go and see all these girls out there in

(01:03:04):
their entire page is bikinis andneck.
You know, it's like, really? That's it?
Yeah, like that's it. Well, the funniest thing is
like, like, and again, this is many girls that I know, many
girls that I'm friends with. You look at their Instagram
feed. It's literally just.
Body body Body Body. Body selfie, selfie.

(01:03:26):
And how many? Car selfies are you going to
take? Seriously.
No. But think about it.
Think about where they're at mentally.
They are just in a place where they're chasing validation
externally, mostly from men. And you're going to attract a
dude that really only gives a fuck about how you look
physically. Guess what?

(01:03:47):
Five years down the road, 10 years down the road, you ain't
going to look as good. That's just a fact.
I'm sorry to break it to you. And you actually are just going
to attract someone who's seeing the material things, who's
seeing your avatar. He's not actually seeing your
soul because you're not sharing your soul.
So understand you are going to attract whatever you are putting
out in the world. If you're just flexing your

(01:04:10):
fucking whip, your fucking Gucci, your fucking Louis,
whatever the fuck it is, that's what you're gonna call in.
And it really starts getting funwhen you connect to that
authentic expression, like we were talking about Donald Trump,
Elon Musk, RFK, arguably the three most hated men in the

(01:04:32):
world, bro. But guess what?
And loved. Exactly.
That's exactly where I was going.
Guess what? You might not fucking like
Trump, but you know exactly whatTrump thinks.
Because Trump just fucking callsit how it is.
He is himself, right? Same shit with Elon.
This dude is the wealthiest man in the world and he just doesn't

(01:04:52):
give a fuck. He's just laughing, having fun
like has 13 kids. Like you can talk shit about
Elon, but the facts are the facts.
The dude is by far the most successful man of our
generation. We're going to look back 100
years at Elon Musk and be like holy shit.
Like why did I not allow myself to appreciate this man's genius?

(01:05:15):
What the fuck, dude? This guy is bringing Internet to
people in poverty. He fucking started Tesla, which
is like revolutionizing the whole auto industry.
He he completely transformed free speech in America, in the
world, like, and then he's taking people to Mars.
Like what if people aren't throwing shade at him?
So it's like, yo, man, just speaking your truth and being

(01:05:39):
authentic is fucking dope because you're going to piss a
lot of people off. You're going to trigger a lot of
people, and you're also going toattract your tribe.
And people are going to see like, yo, I fuck with that guy.
You know, his energy is different.
He speaks his truth. I know what I'm getting.
I know he's honest. I might not agree with
everything, but I still fuck with him.

(01:06:01):
Yeah, Like, that's it. I love it.
And like, that's what I see withyou too, bro.
You're just a fucking authentic dude.
And you're. And we're not for everyone,
that's the thing. Yeah, you're if you're truly
being authentic, then you're notgoing to be for everybody, and
that's OK. You know what I mean?
Like you said, you'll find your tribe, you'll find the people
that that are meant to be in your life or that you influence

(01:06:26):
and it's OK. The rest can hate from the
sidelines, you know? Appreciate you man.
Yo, much love. Everybody be your fucking self.
Nobody can compete with you on being you.
Let's go. Yeah.
Peace.