May 5, 2025 • 65 mins
Forget everything Disney taught you—mythology's original stories hit different. In this episode, we peel back the sanitized versions to reveal the raw, often disturbing truths behind the myths we thought we knew.
The gods of ancient pantheons weren't the benevolent figures often portrayed in modern media. They were deeply flawed, vengeful beings whose personal vendettas and petty squabbles had cosmic consequences. From the Titanomachy—where Zeus overthrew his father Kronos after Kronos had overthrown his own father—to the devastating Ragnarok of Norse mythology, these divine conflicts reflected the cyclical nature of trauma, violence, and power.
Perhaps most heartbreaking is Medusa's true story. Far from being born a monster, she was a devoted priestess violated by Poseidon in Athena's temple. Rather than receiving justice, she was transformed into a creature with serpent hair—not as punishment but as protection against further harm. When Perseus came to slay her, he wasn't hunting a monster but a survivor in isolation. Even after her death, her body was weaponized, denying her dignity even in death.
We also explore Hercules beyond the singing muses—a tragic figure whose incredible strength couldn't protect him from Hera's wrath. His famous twelve labors weren't heroic quests but punishment for killing his family during a madness sent by the goddess. Rather than confronting his trauma, he externalized it through increasingly spectacular feats that never addressed his internal wounds.
These myths aren't just ancient stories—they're reflections of human nature that continue to resonate today. They show us how power corrupts, how victims become villains in narratives controlled by the powerful, and how trauma repeats across generations when left unaddressed. By understanding these darker aspects of mythology, we gain insight into our own modern struggles with justice, power, and healing.
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Speaker 1 (00:21):
Before we begin today's episode of the Black
Curtain Club podcast, we wouldlike to share a quick disclaimer
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hosts and guests on this podcastare their own personal views
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Listener discretion is advised.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Hello, you mythical monsters.
It's us, your friendlyneighborhood Black Curtain Club
podcast.
And this week you have me,becca, and you have Kyle, and we
are talking about motherfuckingmythology.
Kyle, how the hell are you?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Uh, yes, did I get you fired up?
You're just overwhelmed.
Yes, so overwhelmed.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
My whelms are over so basically, big sister becca has
to pull kid brother kylethrough the ringer to make sure
he gets his baby podcaster wingsbut doesn't fly too close to
the sun.
So me and Kyle found commonground, basically through a mild
obsession with mythology, andso for our first one-on-one
recording, we're going to talkabout some twisted tales from
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times of old.
How do you feel?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I feel like a missed opportunity of making an Icarus
reference about 13 seconds ago,but I love myths.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Do you feel like Icarus I?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
really do?
Do I feel like icarus?
Do I feel?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
like icarus, yeah absolutely not no, if you were
to compare yourself to one mythbefore we jump into all of these
, do you have one that speaks toyou the most?
Oh god, character or mythspecifically yeah oh I'll say,
for me, atlas, atlas is the onethat, like the story of it and
like you know, the symbology,the symbology Symbolism.
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I believe the symbolism.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Okay, Boondock Saints , you caught me there, oh man,
what was the one where the guypushes the rock up the hill?
Forever and ever and ever andever?
Speaker 2 (02:26):
um, what's the name of that?
Is it sisyphus?
Speaker 3 (02:29):
sisyphus.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yes, yes I knew that name until you asked me that
question, and then I just so Ifeel like um jason and the
agronauts oh, jason and theargonauts.
I was gonna say sisyphus andAtlas, Like we make quite a pair
, you and I don't we?
Oh, that's something you pushbig rock, I hold big rock.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Well, yeah, we just we rock and roll all day, yeah
we rock all day long.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
So the first one that I wanted to go into today is, I
would say, like the genesis ofGreek mythology.
So it's the Titanomachy I don'tknow if I'm saying that word
right.
It's the big fancy book smartword for the civil war between
the gods of the Greek pantheon.
It's not just civil war.
This is like Avengers InfinityWar.
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All the good characters cometogether and they show us that
even from the dawn of creation,daddy issues have had this
planet in a chokehold.
So it's Titans versusOlymplympians, father versus son
, brother versus brother kyle,I'm gonna make sure you're
paying attention.
Do you know what the titanomakiis?
Have you heard of it before?
Yes, am I saying it right?
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I?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
girl, come on do not ask me like pronunciation.
Don't't ask me spellings.
I apologize to anyone we'regoing to offend with how we're
going to butcher names andreferences and just general
vocabulary.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
We have a drunk historian's enthusiasm for
mythology.
We are not scholars, by anymeans.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Can we do drunk history episode at some point?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I would love to do a Drunk History episode with you.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Oh my God, we will literally meet up at a bar and
we'll live stream or something.
We'll just get shithoused.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Oh my God.
Peanuts on the floor,everything I want it so bad.
Yes.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Yes, like a dive bar, like a shitty dive bar.
We meet up somewhere and thenjust get annihilated.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I'm going to hold bar .
We meet up somewhere and thenjust get annihilated.
I'm gonna hold you to that,kyle.
So to get back on track hereyes, I'm getting way too excited
, so this isn't like one ofthose stories, for one pantheon
replaces another.
This is god overthrowing god ina straight-up cage.
Match the thunderdome but um,it's for cosmic balance
essentially, essentially sowhere?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
the.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Titans represented the chaotic, elemental forces of
the world.
The Olympians were fighting forstructure, hierarchy, and you
know what I'll say?
It ego the battle of what wasversus the battle of what will
be.
So it's where things getdownright human.
Basically, grandpappy Uranushas a bad millennium and trapped
the children he fathered withGaia.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Okay, are you talking about the Greek or the Roman?
Because Uranus was Okay, soUranus was the Roman name,
kronos was the Greek name.
Kronos.
Okay so listen.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I'm talking about Kronos' father.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yeah, I still don't think that was Uranus because
the I'm talking about Kronos'father.
I still don't think that wasUranus because the I'm pretty
sure it's Uranus, kyle.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I did the research.
Okay, you know what?
Becca's probably wrong, kyle'sprobably wrong.
One of us is wrong.
Either way, uranus getsoverthrown by Kronos in my
research okay, yes, yesbasically, kronos didn't think
it was very cool of his dad todo something like that, and so
he castrated him.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
I mean fair.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Look, we aren't gods.
We aren't supposed to questiontheir logic, but I'm feeling a
bit judgmental.
This is followed by a prophecythat Cronus' children will one
day overthrow him.
Being a level-headed individual, cronus swallows each of his
children.
His wife, rhea, is not stoked.
She decides to pull a fast oneand trick Cronus into swallowing
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a rock instead of the kid shehad just had, and hides him on
Crete.
Spoiler alert this is our boyZeus Rock.
She's like I'm tired of pushingout these kids just into the
chronos feeding machine.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
it's just like straight straight into a meat
grinder, just bam I don't knowhow big that rock must have been
at least the size of a babyyeah, at least a child size no,
no, yeah, no, you're right, itwas was Uranus was the father of
Kronos.
Now that I'm thinking about it,oh see, thank you, I needed
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that.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
You shook my self-confidence in the beginning
.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Yeah, Saturn was the name of Kronos.
That was my bad.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
So, basically, this is a classic coming-of-age tale
where we explore overthrowingdaddy and making the same
mistakes over and over again.
Like I said, it's pretty mortalof them.
What's different this time is,instead of one god trying to be
main god zeus frees his siblingsand they try to take over
together, and this war lasts 10years.
Um, that alone says something10 years as a cosmic generation.
It's the changing of the guardthat left scars over every layer
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of the universe.
Zeus leveled the playing fieldby freeing a few baddies with
the common enemy and fuckingpeople over, which is pretty
much the tips.
It tips the behavior scale backtowards godhood.
If I'm honest, like it's, youknow, they're more aligning with
something a god would do than ahuman would do.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Well, you know.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Zeus and fucking that kind of goes hand in hand.
So you know.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
So here's where this is going to get me with names.
He lets loose Cyclops and inthe process he's given his
Thunderbolts.
This is his Thorn Mjolnirmoment.
His big He-Man energy comes out.
He-man energy comes out.
There's also Hecaton Kiaris.
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He's a hundred-handed giant,hurls mountains like snowballs.
I don't want to say Hulk smashor clobber in time, but I mean
I'm telling you it's InfinityWar.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
It's fairly close.
Or is Infinity War this?
Or is Infinity War this Myths,this, telling each other all the
time.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
And then we have atlas and epimetheus.
This is um.
This is where it gets mefeeling blue.
Their brothers divided by theconflict.
Atlas sides with the titans andwhen they lose, zeus gives him
the most brutal sentence ever,holding up the sky for eternity.
Not just punishment, butisolation, immobilization and
weight.
Epimetheus, meanwhile, sideswith the olympians.
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He avoids punishment, but he isthe one who has to accept
pandora, the vessel of humansuffering yes, so he just opens
the door to another cycle ofpain, and it's just on a mortal
level.
Um, one side crushed by theheavens, the other is tricked
into ushering in all of theworld's ills.
There are no clean hands indivine war, so it's the
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aftermath that leads into.
Like mythology as most peopleknow it, it's not just the birth
of the gods as we know them,it's the introductory course for
generational trauma.
Every generation of powerthinks that it's the last.
And for generation ofgenerational trauma, every
generation of power thinks thatit's the last.
And everyone rises to believethat it can do better.
Cronus was a tyrant because hefeared becoming his father.
Zeus became a tyrant trying notto become cronus.
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And it's cyclical tyrannymasked as justice between
grandpa uranus, cronus and zeus.
It's like the wheel of traumabegins with our celestial bodies
not getting hugged enough.
And this war isn't just a clashof power.
It's the world being carvedinto thrones zeus gets the sky,
poseidon gets the sea, hadesgets the underworld.
Gaia never gets justice for allthose kids she had that got.
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Eight, like the titans, arelocked away in tartarus and
everyone is seething with quietresentment after this.
This is when it gets so bopperyright.
This is when they stop beingcosmic metaphors and become
dysfunctional power families.
They mirror us more than theylead us.
What do you think about thetitanomaki title?
Speaker 3 (10:18):
that it sounds eerily like every thanksgiving at my
parents house I I know, I knowit's too close to home, aside
from the baby eating, you know,aside from the baby eating.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Aside from the baby eating, Although if you had eggs
that morning, you probably atechildren right, I do not eat
eggs, so there's that.
I learned something new aboutyou every day.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
It's almost always food related, but I feel like
you are much more well prepared.
Like that was a legit likereport and I just have like a
storyteller.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I'm a storyteller.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
I was gonna do this with my whole ass, like there's
no half-assing this for me, butI mean never half-ass, two
things, whole ass, one just thefact that you're sitting here
listening to me validates thefuck out of me, so it's a
greater reward yeah, no, I mean,I'm just going to like bro
spark, note all my shit and youhave like an entire report and
like a powerpoint and like sitesand references and like and I'm
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just like yo like ragnarok am Iright?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
please don't make me admit on the recording that I do
not cite my sources.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
I mean, you can just cut that out, right.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
You do all the editing, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Okay, not science, but you know what I mean.
Like yours sounds like a superlike official report and I'm
just like yo.
There was people, they didthings.
Shit was crazy.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
No, totally, I'm going to do my best not to sound
like I stated.
In that case, let me do mine,then you do yours, then mine,
then you do yours, then I'll doone of mine, then you do yours,
and we'll just like overlap themlike that.
It'll just be like big one,small one, big one, small one
yeah, we'll definitely go withthat one.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Because, yeah, because, like, what's funny is
that the ace here in the vanarwar is literally the same thing
that you just said, just it's.
It's this.
It is literally the same thing,just norse which I think is
perfect yes, I'm so excited I'mfired up about war right now.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yes, I'm so excited I'm fired up about war right now
.
All right, lay it on me.
Oh, it's my go, it's your turn.
I just read kyle, you did justread kyle, I did okay.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Yeah, I think this is .
This is the fun part, where wefind out, um, at least anyone
who gives a remote crap aboutmythology, and not just like one
specific one.
If you go and you learndifferent cultures, mythologies
and their stories, you start tosee an eerie amount of
similarities, which we'll do ourbest not to go down that rabbit
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hole of why.
I think that is, but I digressanywho.
So, actually, kind of funny.
She would start with the titan.
I'm just gonna say titan, godwar, uh, from greek mythology,
because then it brings you toone of my favorite stories,
oddly enough, the acer vanar warfrom norse mythology.
The norse world is broken upinto nine realms and I forget a
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lot of the middle ones there.
But there is Asgard is thehighest.
Helheim is hell, the lowest,and at the dead center is
Midgard, and I don't rememberoff the top of my head all the
different levels of how they go,but there's like the Realm of
the Elves.
So that's Alfenheim, there'sJotunheim, a lot of Heims.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yeah Heim, a lot of Heims, a lot of Heims.
Yeah Heim, a lot of Heims.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
A lot of Heimi.
Heim.
I'm realm, but either way, I'mHeim.
Each of them represent adifferent layer of the Tree of
Life, so there was two sets ofinsanely strong beings, aka gods
, the Aesir and the Vanar.
The Aesir are, depending onwhich book you read and how it
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goes, those are the ascendantgods.
If you will, we're talking Odin, heimdall, loki, thor, pretty
much anyone that could berepresented as a god of war or
has a really short temper as towhere the van are, are more of
the creative side, more of theearth kind of bounded side.
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Let's think of it likesorcerers and druids, if you
would for we've got our mageclass, we've got no, all
seriousness, completeseriousness.
So like the ace years were moreof a magical power, so like, uh,
knowledge and lightning anddeep sight and foresight and
frost and stuff, so things thatare kind of mystical, as to
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where the Vanar were, the godsof fertility, the earth, the sky
, the water, the elementselemental.
Elementals yes elemental, yes,celestials and elementals, okay,
is kind of the easiest way tobreak them down.
Lo and behold one of them notsaying which kind of thought
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they were just better than theothers because they have those
physical war-like powers andtendencies, that conqueror
spirit if you will.
So they felt that they shouldbe the ones in the Almighty's
house.
It goes little did they know?
They bit off a lot more thanthey can chew, going up against
the Vanar, and that there's muchmore love and respect that
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needed to be held for theelements and not just physical
strength.
So it's more or less likeknowledge versus power, the pen
and the sword.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Ooh, I love this.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
The tale is old this time that's kind of.
What sparked it is that theAesirs felt that they should be
the sole rulers and, like a lotof stories and myths, there's
tellings and retellings andrenames of this and renames of
that, but the one that kind ofgoes through is that they're in
a horrendously bloody stalemate.
I don't even remember, I forgetexactly how long it is, but
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there's a lot of f and zerosafter the one of how many years
this war went on for oh, no,yeah, I mean shattered the
shattered the realms, shatteredthe cosmos, for however long
broke the glass ceilingliterally all of it broke the
seal, broke the ceiling, all ofit everything's just
Speaker 2 (16:00):
pissing out into the into the universe, like cosmos,
like they're equivalent toPandora's box opening.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Yeah, literally that, Literally that.
Actually it was the first endof everything.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
That was badass.
The first end of everything,exactly.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Because there's an insane amount of that in Norse
mythology.
It's incredibly doom and gloom.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Very much.
Death and destruction is likerebirth for them.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
But there is that recreation, there is that, so I
mean just death itself, liketheir warriors would go to
Valhalla, so like, yes, theydied, but they're automatically
then brought into Valhalla.
So there is, in a sense, arebirth or a continuation.
There's always that, there'salways that cycle.
As far as the Tree of Life,everything's represented as
circles and the knots, and neverending.
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There's an insane amount ofcontinuation.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I love the way they treat an honorable death.
I love any culture thathighlights the respectability of
an honorable death and howsacred that is like.
A lot of people can go out likecowards.
They can go out in all kinds ofways, right, but if you like,
10 toes on the ground.
You died with honor.
Son, we're gonna protect you inthe afterlife.
You got bitches on bitches.
They're waiting for you forever.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
And guess what?
they're just gonna be pouringyour drinks and filling your
plate forever, literally all ofeternity, until a couple of
things happen and then a homiecalls you up on the horn and
then we got to like go kick assagain.
We'll get to that in a minute,but either way, what broke the
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massive stalemate and actuallywas the end of the war was
Odin's, just like this is what'sgoing to go.
I'm going to marry your queenand we'll call it square.
That was freya.
Oh, my girl, that is so zeus isa zeus.
Wow, yeah, odin's original wifewas frigga.
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Frigga was an ace here and itwas only.
It was then and only then towhere freya did realize that
they were kind of losing it.
She was like, if they kill usall, no one's gonna be there to
control the elements and they'refucked either way.
So like, whatever, kill us all.
Um, odin learned that and hewas like okay, how about this?
Um, we get married and the waris over, and then they actually
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do so.
They do get married and there'snone of this like bad blood
between them, all they, the waris just over at the wedding and
all the gods just kind of getbrought into the fold and
there's literal peace throughoutthe cosmos and it's never
broken, except for one dickhead,but Loki doesn't count.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
It's his job.
He has to test the boundaries.
Okay, he's got to make sureit's fair and tight.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Exactly Second child syndrome.
What can we say?
Speaker 2 (18:50):
You can already see a big difference and I'll just
say it in the respect for thebalance of things, in spite of
the fact that they are in a warlike they.
Yes, they were willing to letit go on for a very long time,
but they were willing to resolvethings instead of just locking
some very crucial controllers of, like, the elements and the
balance, just locking them awaysomewhere where they couldn't
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come back out like, no, theworld can just burn without you.
We don't care.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
So that's one thing Respect Norse mythology.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Things balance as everything should be.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
All right, so let's keep pulling threads.
I want to go into Medusa'sCurse, and this is one that's
like.
This one hits close to home fora lot of reasons.
I like this one because itshows how flawed the gods were.
It's a victim, furthervictimized and made into a
monster in the process.
In some ways, she never has toworry about it happening again,
but she isn't who she was before, and I think it's an example of
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the impact of violation and howtrauma not only changes you,
but it can be felt in the peopleyou come into contact with.
Right, I want to tell her story, but I want to tell both sides
today and I hope I do herjustice.
So before I take us into thedark, kyle buddy, are you ready
to hear the real story of medusa?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
okay.
So this will probably be onlylike the third time I've ever
heard the story and I will neverforget the very first time I
heard the actual story and I waslike bro, fuck these gods.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Hashtag free my homie Medusa.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Heck, yeah, hashtag justice for Medusa mama.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Fuck, yeah, you're the right man to have on this
podcast.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
So I want to talk to you about Medusa the priestess.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Okay, before she turned men to stone, she turned
heads for different reasons.
She walked barefoot through themarble temple, silent as
seafoam.
She was devoted, not for thepromise of reward but for the
quiet she found in Athena'sservice, a stillness that made
the world feel clear.
Her beauty was whisperedreverence, not a temptation.
In the evening she sang not foranyone else, just for the
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acoustics in the sacred hallsand the way her voice echoed off
the limestone, as if the godsthemselves would harmonize with.
Here comes Medusa the monsterIn the service of the goddess.
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She's violated by the godposeidon inside of the temple,
she honored her silence.
Poseidon echoed through thestone chambers.
The warning carried on saltslike air.
The temple was gone, the marblecracked, the oil lamps
extinguished.
She no longer sang, she hissed,and that sound made mountains
shudder.
Her hair, once adorned withribbon and gold, now writhe with
serpentspents, not aspunishment but as protection.
They struck at those who cameclose, not just men, but the
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memories.
Her eyes were not cursed, theywere defenses hardened after too
many soft glances turnedagainst her.
She didn't turn people to stoneout of malice.
It was simply the only languagethe world respected.
From her.
Now, silence had failed, so shepetrified.
She became the myth they feared, because it was the only way
they would leave her alone.
She wasn't cruel, she wascruelty's consequence.
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And in her lair she sculptedsilence.
A gallery of greed and pridefrozen in time, a graveyard of
those who believed their desirewas more powerful than her
autonomy.
She, she's not a villain, she'sa boundary set in flesh and
fang.
So if we unpack this, there's alot to be drawn from it so far,
but it's not over.
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This is just the beginning.
Right, I want to talk about herend, but before I do, I want to
see where your head's at thisstory hits different for women.
It just does, and I genuinelywant your thoughts as a man.
What does it feel like for youto hear the story of Medusa?
I know it's not easy to ask,but like what does this strike
in you?
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I, I promise I'm going to do my absolute best for
, like, our respects and, like Isaid, I I don't have any type
of a say in this matter but,like, I'm completely honest,
have any type of uh say in thismatter.
But, like, I'm completelyhonest, the first time I, first
time I heard the story, I waslike it broke my heart.
It really did, yeah, really did, because, like, if you ask
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anyone, the story of medusa,they're going to tell you is she
was this snake-headed monsterwho turned these men to stone
and so on and so forth.
So they only get that one andit's just like it just shows
that, like, even ancient historywill just be buried.
The truth just gets buried andburied, and buried.
And then there's plenty ofsources and tellings and
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retellings of the story that waslike no, the actual story is,
you know, is this is right,exactly what you've said.
It's not her, it's not anoffense, it's it's, it's a
defense, it's exactly that shewas.
She was turned into the monster.
If um if you will it.
It really honestly broke myheart the first time I heard it.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Still does, it still does and like it doesn't and
that's what sucks, so it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
And that's what sucks , so it doesn't end there, and
that's what really pisses me off.
So bear with me for a minutewhile I rant about the heroes of
history.
For a second, perseus did notslay a monster, he hunted a
survivor.
Okay, she wasn't threateningkingdoms, she wasn't waging war,
she was in exile, alone, hiddenfrom the world minding her
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fucking business.
Minding her goddamn business herisolation was read as defiance.
Her existence was a threat.
The gods themselves couldn'ttouch her anymore, so they sent
a super soldier with paper thinskin in the game.
They stacked the deck againsther so it wouldn't even be a
fair fight, right.
They gave him a mirrored shield.
They gave him all the tools togo into it.
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He didn't face her tounderstand her.
He wanted to outsmart her.
He tried to avoid her.
He tried to corner her and thenhe took her head and he didn't
cry.
He used it as a weapon, andthat's what that's.
What really gets me about.
It is they used her body evenafter she was dead, like turning
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her into a monster wasn'tenough.
They still thought they had theright to her and they called
him a hero.
It's irony in the worst fuckingway possible.
So like it just fucking gets me.
She became their weapon aftershe could no longer speak, and
maybe that's like what reallyhurts.
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It's not the death, it's therepurposing, it's the rebranding
of a warning into a war cry.
The gods who cursed her allowedher desecration.
The same hands that couldn'ttouch her alive gripped her
lifeless power with pride, likefucked up, so fucked up.
She deserved a funeral.
They gave her a battlefield.
Fuck, perseus.
I'll say it.
Go ahead, kyle, you can talknow.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
This is me off man I'm, I'm, I just, oh, jesus, I'm
so happy I'm not Perseus,fucking Christ.
But I couldn't agree more and Ihave never thought of that
until you've just said thisright now.
Is that like it really is?
Like she was just a priestessjust minding her own business.
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And then Poseidon, he was like,hey, my brother's doing it, why
don't I just do it?
So then, cause that.
And then he was like, oh, andnow she's a monster.
She's like that thing is likereally dangerous evil.
She's like listen, everyone,just leave me the fuck alone.
Right, just stay over here, donot enter, do not pass, go, do
not collect 200 drachmi orwhatever the fuck they called it
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.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
then just no boys allowed exactly no, just no.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Nothing allowed.
I don't give a shite.
And then they were just like yo.
Here's the thing.
We fucked up with this otherproblem over here.
Here's what you got to do.
Here's this awesome shield.
Here's this weird ass owl thing.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I don't know how you got that right now.
Whoever the fuck its name is.
Thanks, Artemis.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Exactly, you get all this awesome shit.
Go ahead and kill this really,really bad, evil monster.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
They gave him a loot drop before he went into the
boss fight.
They literally did.
It's so bullshit.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Exactly, they gave him all the cheat codes.
Here's the HDR with the fullset scopes and all those other
things, the hip fire lasers, allthat kind of shit.
You got this.
Go get that noob who just gotout of the gulag and it's
totally fine.
And then not like you said.
And then not only that, eventhen, even in death, she
couldn't be at peace.
They weaponized her.
They weaponized her actual body.
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What was left?
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Literally the carcass .
Like we can't even leave her.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
We're not even going to bury her.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
We're just going to leave her in the hall with all
the men, she had to fight off.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Exactly Just right there, just her body's left
there.
Her head is then taken to justbe.
You know, they didn't just likeokay, yes, thank you, medusa,
and now you have done this thingand so on, and we would return
your head and give you a piece.
No, they just like all right,sick.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yay, this bitch empty they were like oh, we fucking
killed the kraken today andlet's put medusa's head up here
where everyone can see it allthe time we can, can all look at
.
Medusa now.
Exactly, I hate them, I hatethem.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Yeah, they're pretty goddamn terrible.
They're pretty goddamn terrible.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
All right, take me away from Medusa's lair, please,
before I start fighting thegods.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Oh, man, what a bummer I know, it's oh God.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Tale as old as time.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Tale as old as time.
No stop stop stop, stop, stop.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Beauty and the Beast.
I was going to go.
Violation and no peace.
Oh no, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
That's staying in, that's what she said.
Yeah, that is what she said.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Tell my story.
I thought I would be said today.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
The world will know what you said here today.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Well, now we'll just lighten the mood and we'll go to
a lovely land.
Back to the Norse of Ragnarok.
Oh yeah, I'll rip through thisone as fast as I can, so not
marvel's totally awesome andvery funny ragnarok, actual
ragnarok, um very depressing warand death of everything.
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It's the literal end of theworld in norse mythology.
So, uh, I mean they touch onsome of the points in the movie,
but serter is exactly that.
Serter, serter, falter, god ofdestruction, fire, death,
anguish.
He's a.
He's a big monster, he'sloosely norse mythologies, satan
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, devil, whatever um the big guy.
Oh yeah, the big guy.
It's grown, that guy, the bigone, anyhow.
Um, it's his raging of waragainst the gods, but actually
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I'm getting slightly ahead ofmyself.
Technically that is ragnarok,but Ragnarok was brought upon
because Loki's a dick.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
And we love him for it.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
We do.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
He does it for the plot.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Okay, exactly, do it for the vibe.
No, I do it for the plot Balder.
Balder was one of the othergods, he was the pretty boy.
So think of like the prettiestboy that you can To our
listeners.
I don't know whomever it may be, you know Cavill, brad Pitt,
george Clooney for some of ourolder crowds, he was stunning,
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he was gorgeous, he was perfect.
He was the son of Freya.
I think he was the first son.
He was the oldest or theyoungest of Freya and Odin,
their actual biological children.
And so it was prophesied toFreya that he will die and she
was like that's horseshit, I'mgoing to cheat death and I'm
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going to cheat fate.
And so she had every livingcreature being so on and so
forth.
Swear to her that they wouldnot harm Boulder, every beast,
every rock, every stone, everytree, every person, all of them,
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except for the mistletoe,because the mistletoe is I don't
know if anyone knows what amistletoe is besides the one at
Christmas time.
It's a very small, weak plant.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
It's a very tiny, it's like a fungus, right yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Well, I think it is an actual flower, or like an
actual, but it's just, it's very, very small.
It's very tiny, like the onesyou see hanging above your doors
are literally that big.
See, hanging above your doorsare literally that big.
Um, you know, they're seen asvery, you know, she, she's just
like oh, there's no way thatthat can harm my, there's no way
that can harm my son, so I'mnot gonna make that thing yeah,
that it not, not my specialperfect no, not my boy actually
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so the mistletoe wouldn't.
So in one of these awesomemoments which it's very unclear,
which god thought of it, butthere's no way this wasn't a
Thor thought.
Hey, you know it would beHashtag Thor thoughts Exactly.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Ooh, that's a good one.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
You know it would be such a fun game to play right
now.
Let's try to kill Baldur,because he can't die.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
So like time and time again in battle he would just
regenerate he could.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
So they had literally seen him be struck in battle
and like enemies would throw andhurl rocks at him.
And he never dies, he never.
He was just like let's try andkill boulder, because he can't.
I mean, they're they'rethrowing axes at him, they're
he's smashing him with mule inthere and he's just.
Thank you, sir, can I haveanother?
Thank you, sir, can I haveanother?
Speaker 2 (32:30):
they are he's their version of kick the can.
Exactly that's.
That's it.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
They're beating the piss out of him.
Right, it's beat on Boulder Day.
No, he's there, he's loving it,he thinks it's the funniest
shit in the world.
I swear to God, all the godsare there and they're just like
drinking and trying to killBoulder, knowing that they can't
.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Oh, this guy sounds awesome.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
I'm sorry to kill them, but loki p and loki.
He found out that the mistletoewas the only thing that freya
didn't have swear that couldcouldn't harm him.
So loki's like oh you know,it's gonna be so funny if I turn
this into like a dart or anarrow and I give it to my
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brother, the fucking god of war,and he throws it out of.
This is gonna be great.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Oh, my god, that's exactly what he does he turns it
into an arrow and he's like,hey, it's here.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
I bet you 10 stats of mead that you can't kill
boulder with it.
He goes ha, watch this.
Yeet pierces his heart.
Boulder starts bleeding.
The death of boulder.
So it was foretold that his andthe reason why?
Not only because it was special, perfect boy, but it was then
foretold that, upon the death ofboulder, thimble winter would
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set in a two-year thimble winterthimble winter, you're killing
me I.
I swear to God.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Are you trying to curse my bloodline?
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Upon the death of Boulder, Fimblewinter was set.
Upon the two years left,Ragnarok ensues.
So Whoa.
Boulder now lies dead.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Thanks Loki and Mistletoe you dick Loki, thanks
Loki.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
A two year long winter of the entire world.
So, and so just like a mini iceage right well, so, okay, so
for them it's a mini ice age.
But I was, like scientistswould kind of say, it was like
yeah, so like the ice age wasthimble winter.
Um, yes, so winter, exactly.
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Because, like, oh, because,like god, lifespans are
different, so and so forth,because, like, however fucking
long it doesn't matter immortallike the spouse voice spouse
voice another callback.
Um yeah, then there's skull andheady and also the kind of fun
stuff and there's a.
There's about a billion otherstories within that timeframe,
but the important ones is thedeath of Baldur, because that
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immediately triggers Ragnarok tohappen, and then now, after
that, surtur is able to get hiscrown and raise his armies from
the underworld in Helheim and golay siege to Asgard and for the
never-ending war of the gods.
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So in this one the notabledeaths are everybody, literally
everybody.
Kill, count all, kill, counteverything.
It is the end of the actualworld.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Control A delete.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Yes, exactly, Loki and his children side with
Surtur.
Loki's children are Frenyr,Jormungandr and Hela.
They all side with, and I wantto say the giant horse with like
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nine legs and four tails.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
I'm pretty sure that's one of Loki's kids, a
sluttnir, whatever his name isyeah, yeah, sluthair, or
whatever, whatever that's.
What about the marvel moviethat, like broke the immersion
was, hello is supposed to bethor's sister, but I'm like no,
that's loki's child that'sliterally loki's child.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Literally, yoki, yoki yeah anyhow, yeah, whatever.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
When nerds are nerds about nerd shit, yeah it, just
it, just.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
It's nerdception baby .
So then you have thor andjormungandr facing off, and so
jormungandr is the world serpent, bites thor, um, thor does thor
things, and he bashes his facein with mjolnir himbo style
eventually killing, eventuallykilling him, but he succumbs to
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the poison.
Uh, heimdall and loki, kind oftrade, like they kind of stab
each other, like at the sametime, and they both fall,
intimate, yes, exactly.
And then, as sorter takes hissword and plunges it into I
think it's to like the main,like source of the, the tree of
life and all that kind of fun tobe plunges.
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He plunges a sword into it,odin tries to jump in the way
like, yes, my mere body willstop this gigantic sword, and
then everyone dies and likeeverything explodes.
It's it literally, it wipeshumanity, it wipes the slate
clean.
But, like, as we talked aboutearlier, the amazing thing about
Norse mythology is that all sothat new life can begin and take
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over and start anew, and thenit's just the new.
There's going to be God's 2.0.
Right To kind of take over, Ibelieve some of the people who
lived, thor's sons, magni andModi, I think, tyr, I want to
say he did, lady Sif.
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So, very few of the big ones.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Is this when Loki goes to jail?
Speaker 3 (37:55):
It depends on which there's.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Because I know there's like a point in Norse
mythology when Loki is just likeout of the picture off in jail
somewhere and everyone's like no, we don't talk about Loki,
we're all mad at him.
He has to like have his childbring him food yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
So so there's two tellings of that one.
So of, like, his big sense, hedid a couple of dimes, um, his
first one was at the death ofbalder, because they were like
loki, you dick, uh, actuallyeverything ended yeah, actually
not even because of that one.
So they, so they imprisoned lokiand all that other jazz.
Then and there, uh, tearstricken with grief and sentence
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, he self-exiles himself.
So that's why he lived theragnarok, because he, just like
he, literally ran away becausehe couldn't believe that he
killed his brother.
He feels fully responsible.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
So Loki goes to Dagobah into exile.
I must go Exactly.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Exactly no, no.
Loki went to the Citadelhardcore prison and then Tyr
goes into Dagobah Gotcha, okay.
So they added that one.
And then there was anothertelling a little bit what they
show in the Marvel movies.
In the second one Though hedidn't actually like kill her,
he was kind of the catalyst whoset everything in motion that
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brought upon the death of hismother.
It was found that he was themastermind behind the plan that
had the elves invade Asgard.
He was then imprisoned for that.
So they loosely based on thatin the Marvel movies.
So there was like kind of two.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Think of it like Old Testament.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
New Testament, if you will.
So that was so.
Ragnarok is Old Testament Loki,and the invasion of Alfheim is
New Testament Loki.
He still sucks in both of them.
He's still a trickster.
He's still a dick in both ofthem it's just.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
But he's like no guys I changed.
Remember that was old Loki,exactly New Loki, new Loki, woo.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
New Loki rules Exactly Loki 2.0.
Woo-woo, woo-woo Doesn't matterthe testament.
Loki's a dick, but we love him.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
He's one of my favorites dude.
For the plot, Always for theplot.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Exactly Just to stir the fucking pot.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
All right, I want to go into the 12 labors of
emotional avoidance, aka thestory of Hercules.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Before or after he goes.
Before or after Hera makes himinsane and makes him eat his
kids.
A lot of baby eating going on Alot of baby eating.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Everyone eats their young, so I saved this one.
Everyone eats their young, so Isaved this one.
Um, as with all things thattake off in a big way, hercules
got famous for all the wrongreasons, and I want you to think
about it for a minute, becauseI'm gonna circle back to zeus
and hera.
We have zeus out here makingtitans and setting them loose on
the world for the hell of it,and hera over here with resting
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bitch face because her man won'tstay at home.
The two of them make life a lotharder than it needs to be for
humans, like we are sick oftheir shit just go to fucking
couples therapy, would you?
Speaker 3 (40:53):
jesus christ?
Speaker 2 (40:54):
no I'm gonna keep banging titans and demigods like
as a baby hercules.
He's literally choking snakesin his cribs, like the opposite
of SIDS.
It's not really surprising.
Things take a darker turn whenhe gets older, right, kyle, you
and I are parents.
Imagine the terrible twos witha demigod or teenage angst,
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right?
I'm pretty sure that's where Iam right now and the idea of
frat party like teenage, youngadult Hercules it makes me want
to invest in drywall and coverall of my drinks Like God.
Get Hercules away from me.
He's mega Chad if you thinkabout it.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
The giga mega ultra Chad.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
What I think about Hercules Kyle.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
I want to know what you think about Hercules.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
You haven't told us what you think about Hercules,
yet we're talking about DisneyHercules.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
We're talking about Hercules, hercules.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
You think Hercules comes to you in your mind.
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (41:53):
That it's one of the best Disney movies ever, but
like horribly false, exactlythat.
Like I mean yeah, I think wehit it on the head the ultra
Giga Chad Like he's the boss'sson.
He can do no wrong.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
My daddy knows the lawyers.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Exactly, it's not his car, that's daddy's leases on
that Viper and all that kind ofshit.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
He's like the second Perseus for Zeus.
This is is my spitting image.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
I'm so proud of this boy which is the thing, though I
feel.
I feel the difference betweenperseus and hercules is because
perseus was just kind of like aschmuck and then zeus just like
gassed him up as to where.
Like, hercules thought he wasthe shit, and then zeus was like
you know what?
You are the shit.
So it was just doubled up.
So you're talking, we'retalking double inflate, we're
talking compound inflationinterest on this.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Dick zeus strokes the hell out of an ego man, both
hands spitting on it yeah,that's exactly it.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
So we're like like I said perseus didn't know.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
But then zeus just like gassed him up hercule's new
you called perseus a schmuckand my heart sang, I swear to
god.
So I snagged a quote from thesmart people at the perseus
digital library to outline whyhe was sent on the wild goose
chase to begin with.
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But I want to start by sayinglike, like you said, it's
different from the disney movies.
Hercules was a grown-ass man.
When all of this growth goesdown like, he wasn't some like
bright-eyed young man, it waslike a full-ass adult.
Okay, anyway, the goddess hera,determined to make trouble for
hercules, made him lose his mindin a confused and angry state.
He kills his own wife andchildren when he awakened from
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his and they put this in quotestemporary insanity so so he was,
he was the original.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
He was the original chris benoit yeah, yeah, chris
benoit uh, I'm not proud of thatone.
I'm not proud of that one I'mproud of it.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
I'm so fucking proud of you speaking with your whole
chest man.
So hercules, shocked and upsetby what he'd done, he prayed to
the god apollo for guidance andthe god's oracle, the Oracle of
Delphi.
By the way, people need to stopgoing to this crackhead for
advice first of all.
Seriously, oh my God.
Oracle says that you need toserve Eurystheus, the king of
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Tyrans, and Mycenae for 12 yearsas punishment for the murders.
Part of his sentence, herculeshas to perform 12 labors, feats
so difficult they seemimpossible.
Fortunately, hercules had thehelp of Hermes and Athena,
sympathetic deities who showedup when he really needed help.
By the end of these labors,hercules was, without a doubt,
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greece's greatest hero and theperfect peckin'.
A pack, a pair, pretty packs,bam.
There you go.
His struggles made hercules theperfect example and the
embodiment of the greek ideacalled a pathos, which is the
experience of virtuous struggleand suffering which would lead
to fame and, in hercules's casehercules's case immort.
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So this is like his quest forimmortality.
Essentially, he's like oh no,I'm trying to make up for what I
did.
No, like he wanted to beimmortal, wanted to be a god,
whatever, giga.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Chad.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Giga Chad.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Before we get off the rails, I want to tell you what
this really means.
Hercules is the ultimate tragichimbo, half god.
Unwanted, he is adored for hisstrength and loathed for his
origin.
Zeus never raised him, herahated him, mortals feared him.
And so what happens?
He becomes a weapon.
When the gods need somethingkilled, they call Hercules.
When kings need something donethat no man can do, they send
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Hercules.
He is the tool they use to fixtheir messes.
And when he finally snaps, whenharris sends him into this fit
of madness, he slaughters hisown wife and children, and the
gods are like do chores about itdo chores about scrub the
floors with your toothbrushbasically during the 12 labors,
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hercules is like in recovery,like he's supposed to be, like
staying on the clear andtrue.
Like, yeah, he's in.
Hercules is in rehab, it's godto your saw movie.
Like he's got to solve hislittle puzzles.
And do you want to play a game?
Yeah, I guess.
So I'm gonna break all thefucking rules, though, so I
don't learn anything.
Each labor is not just apunishment.
It's psychological warfare.
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He has to confront monstersthat reflect something deep and
twisted in himself.
Here are a few of them thenimian lion.
It's a beast with impenetrableskin.
What does hercules do?
He strangles it with his barehands and chooses to wear its
skin a metaphor for arming up,armoring up with your own
violence, he becomes what hekills, right?
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what did I learn here?
I got a cool fucking coat.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
Check this shit, I'm just seeing macklemore right now
thrift shop video but, it wasshit, it was 99 cents.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
So the lorne and hydra cut off one head, two
grows back.
You know, very marvel.
Still it feels a lot liketrauma, right.
The more he fights, the worseit gets.
He can't win clean.
This labor is about futilitythe more you repress, the more
it grows.
He has to burn the next clothesto stop the head.
So now we're just introducingself-sabotage as a coping
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mechanism.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
I guess no, effective , no I mean depends potatoes for
trauma?
Speaker 2 (47:28):
a fun one is the ogy and stables literal shit like
years and years and years ofshoveling shit shoveling shit
they're like.
He's like what do I do next,boss?
I don't know if I can go cleanup.
You got time to leave.
You got time to clean herJaleese.
I fucking hate you for that one.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
I mean it was the guy who was supposed to punish him.
He was like out that day or hewas like stuck in, like God
traffic, or whatever he goes, Idon't know.
Fucking clean until he getshere, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
So what he does is he reroutes an entire river with
like burn it all down energy.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
He's like what if I just wash all this shit away?
Hear me out, hear me out thepower washer.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
Power washer like man chores.
It's like I can get all thisdone in seconds.
Let me just destroy theecosystem real quick.
I got a two by four around heresomewhere.
Anything's a hammer if you'rebrave enough, I guess anything's
a never mind dildo.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
Yep, anything's a dildo if you're brave enough.
But you said hammer, so yousaid it first.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
The mares, the mares of diomedes, flesh eating horses
.
Kyle is one of my favorites,like the idea of horses eating
people.
I don't know why.
It just fucking gets me allexcited because it's.
It's a horse like so he, hefeeds their owner to them,
essentially like.
That's pretty much it.
The horses eat human flesh,diomedes feeds them enemies,
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hercules feeds them diomedes.
This is like the cycle ofviolence when you realize oh, I
fucked up this thing, that I'veraised it out to fuck me up like
like shit what are we doing I?
Speaker 3 (49:06):
don't know, feed it someone.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
Yeah, okay, this is the one that gets me like pissed
at Hercules, because he bringsmy boy, atlas, into it.
So we just the apples ofHesperides.
Hercules was tasked withretrieving three golden apples
from the garden of Hesperides, aplace at the far western edge
of the known world.
What's so good?
These apples are very much alot like the Garden of Eden
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apples, apples of knowledge,apples of whatever Infertility
close to gods.
You get the apples, you get thetruth.
Whatever the fuck he's goingafter these apples?
Right, they're guarded byHesperides, the nymph daughters
of Atlas and a hundred-headeddragon which is sick as fuck.
That's fucking cool.
Okay, hercules gets Atlas to goget the apples for him and some
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of the tellings of the myths,and then tricks him into picking
up the world again.
He's like no, I'll hold thisfor a second, like a classic Tom
Sawyer, right?
He's like no, you go do mychore for me.
I'll do your chore for you.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
He doesn't do his chore.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
For him, though, he leaves a fucking hanging atlas
doesn't have it bad enough, getsfucked over by himbo hercules
on this mission for godhood, bro, don't worry I totally got this
man.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
You got this man.
Look, you've been holding theshit up.
I got you, bro, like check thisout.
Look at this, boom, I'm holdingthis whole ass thing up.
Go get it.
You've been holding this bigass earth.
Go pick me up tiny, three,teeny tiny ones.
I got you, chief.
He comes back and he's justlike snacking on like one of the
legs he took from like thehorse.
Oh yo, here's your earth.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
Thanks for the apples boy peace, yeah, yeah, no,
fucking kidding pisses me off.
So, hercules, not emotionallyavailable, right?
He's reckless.
He solves emotional problems bylike, let's just say he murders
emotional problems.
He's loyal, but only if you'reon his side, and he's really not
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built for nuance.
He shows what happens whenstrength is valued over healing,
when a man is built to endureinstead of feel.
I didn't go over every singlelittle chore he had to endure to
get straight, karma-wise, butyou get the point.
Instead of owning what he did,he made a whole Olympic sport
out of his redemption arc.
We gobbled it up like piggieswhen they put it to music and
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made a cartoon out of it.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
Hold on a second.
Hold on a second.
Don't you dare, don't yougoddamn dare.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
He's literally like the embodiment of burnout, If
you think about it he does allthe labors, yeah.
He does them all More, get addedCause they're like no, like you
didn't, you didn't learnanything, like you just cheated.
Here's more.
So, even after like he doesn'tstop getting punished, even in
death.
He's turned into a god andmarried off to heave the goddess
of youth, like he's allowed tofinally rest.
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But I just want to be like he.
Just he had this air about himlike I'm being cosmically
punished.
None of the bad things that Ido are my fault, and that shtick
is the reason why he never feltlike he was done.
It's why it felt endless,because he was just
externalizing all of theinternal shit and making it
everybody else's problem.
Hercules, try therapy.
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He didn't learn anything here,but maybe we can kyle.
You still like hercules, orhave I done a good job of
sucking the fun out of him?
Speaker 3 (52:16):
no, I still love that fucking movie.
But hercules I've knownhercules has sucked, especially
the kevin sorbo one that can goall the way to fucking hell, all
the way to Tartarus, to thelowest levels of hell Either way
, you know, hercules has alwayssucked.
It's one of those things whereit's like you almost.
Yeah, I've made this argument acouple of times before.
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Oddly enough, I give him like49% 49 blame.
51 definitely goes to zeus andharrah.
Yeah, just like I feel likesmiegel gets like 49 the blame
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and like the ring gets the 51because it's just like he was
just out fishing with his buddyand the ring was just like yo
kill that motherfucker.
And he was like precious, solike it's kind of like that.
Like hercules was just kind ofyeah, he was probably a dick,
but like his dad sucked, so like, so it's just like.
Speaker 2 (53:23):
God, help us all when Zeus starts feeling paternal
all of a sudden.
We all pay for it, exactly.
Speaker 3 (53:28):
Exactly Like.
Also like he's not exactlyfather of the year or father of
ever, and the hair is like.
You know what?
I'm sick and tired of it.
It was like I've had enough.
Like Samuel Jackson said, I'vehad enough of these
motherfucking dummy gods in thismotherfucking area.
Speaker 2 (53:45):
Because he just can't keep it in his goddamn toga, um
just start eating each other.
I think there's exactly thesefuckers to deal with, exactly so
I'm gonna make this one exactlyI'm gonna make this one eat his
and go insane.
Speaker 3 (53:53):
I'm just gonna punish him.
But, like I said, he was gassedup, so his parents fucked him
up so he didn't learn how tocope with all that other kind of
shit.
But right is that never-endingstory when he just kind of kept
he just kept that toxic behavior.
He didn't learn anything, hejust kind of kept feeding into
it.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
He didn't look to be the victim.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
He just kept doing it .
It's rewarded for it.
That's what's so shitty.
Medusa's a monster, butHercules is a hero, yeah.
Speaker 3 (54:22):
Yeah, there's not a whole lot of happy in Greek
mythology Actual Greek mythology, Not a whole lot of happy.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
I didn't realize I was all Greek until I was done.
And I'm like man, these are allGreek motherfuckers.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
It's like I mean, I was bat a thousand on Norse, so
why not?
Hell yeah Do you have any more?
I did have a Greek one, but Ithink it's just I don't know if
I can.
I don't know if I can handle it.
I don't know if I can take anymore of it.
Speaker 2 (54:47):
Well, if you don't, I can always give you the new
myth that you've never heardbefore.
Nobody's ever heard it before.
It's a new myth.
Speaker 3 (54:54):
I will super duper readers digest Um Echo and
Narcissus.
Narcissus sucks.
He was forced to fall in lovewith himself because he was a
douchebag to echo classic.
Speaker 1 (55:05):
Yeah, yes, exactly so .
Speaker 3 (55:06):
Like it's just like that's just the never-ending
story of greek mythology is afucking giga chad who treats
someone absolutely horrible.
Speaker 2 (55:15):
The only thing that I say echo hold on your amazon,
echo, is telling you about greenmythology now it is, it
absolutely is on the podcast sobad she can't stand it she does,
because I forget whatever, itdoesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (55:34):
Um, at least um narcissus is actually punished
and even though he doesn't likerealize it, he does kind of get
it in the end.
Spoiler alert he dies um, butyeah, it's a very good story
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it's where narcissism comes fromright, like that whole story is
um, I'm gonna be, I'm gonna domy absolute best to be so nice,
but um, fucking duh, like youknow, like yeah really the guy
narcissist who was in love withthe guy narcissist, narcissist.
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When he fell in love withhimself, I thought he was the
greatest thing ever.
Speaker 2 (56:20):
That's where we get narcissism from because you'd
think like his parents wouldn'thave named him that if that were
the case before.
Speaker 3 (56:27):
Exactly so.
That's why it was invented, andthat's why the E word that I'm
not going to say right now wasinvented because she was
punished, because apparently shewas a freaking smoke show.
And like the other nymphs didn'tlike that.
So mama nymph I forget whichone it was she cursed her
because she had this beautifulvoice and she was just the total
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embodiment of perfection.
She was the only other,apparently the only other entity
that was more fair than her wasAphrodite, so like damn Anyhow.
So her mom was uber pissedabout that and said that she
can't speak anymore.
She can only repeat the lastlike up to like the last three
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words, that like she heard umfrom and then from that.
She's just kind of out throughthe woods one day as narcissus
is just kind of gallivantingthrough the woods.
He's just a dick at this point.
He's not like a complete andtotal dick, he's just like kind
of he's a chode at this point.
Right, loves himself.
Exactly, he's interested inhimself.
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I want to say he's, you know,he's just kind of talking.
They've gone on a couple ofdates.
He's like first base withhimself.
Maybe second pants right like Isaid, he's not a, he's not a
huge dick, he's like a chode,he's like average right now,
either way, um.
And so she sees him and she'slike holy fuck, that dude's hot,
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but not really.
She just kind of says likewhatever, so like she stepped on
a twig, crack, crack, crack,crack.
That's all she says becauseit's all she could do either way
, um, and she kind of revealsherself to him like comes out
from, like hiding.
She was like falling into thewoods and shit like that.
And um, he's like dude, whatthe fuck.
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And she's like the fuck.
He's like why are you copyingme, copying you?
Like?
Speaker 2 (58:22):
that's kind of what the conversation is and he like
Me talking to my husband.
Who the fuck?
Speaker 1 (58:27):
What the?
Speaker 3 (58:30):
fuck, but like she actually startles him and all
she can do is just repeat whathe says.
So he's completely turned offby this and he was like bitch,
you ugly, I don't want nothingto do with you.
So breaks her heart and shegoes, she, she.
I always kind of see ithappening almost like an ancient
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greek way of like prom night,when, like the boyfriend is just
like I just did you as a dare,and she just like goes running
into the bathroom crying it'skind of like that she goes
running into this cave.
So she's just crying, cries andweeping, and weeping and weeping
into this cave and at least theoriginal story that I was told
was that as she's in there, andthen, lo and behold our good
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buddy narcissist, narcissism,narcissist, whatever the
dickhead what are you stillcrying?
no, it's.
She's like all in this cave andlike it's super dark in there
and he doesn't know what thehell's going on.
And so he was talking withsomeone, or just kind of talking
, and she's just repeating backto him.
So he's like what the fuck isthis?
And like it spooks him,literally spooks him Like oh, my
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God, something's in here, whatthe hell is it?
And like they're going like thehunter.
So she literally just like diesof sadness in the cave, in the
cave, oh, and so, um god, it'skilling me right now.
But another I think it's gaia,I think I heard of this and was
like yo, you're the fuckingworst.
So she curses him to make somefallen love with himself and
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it's like he's walking by a lakeand he literally falls in love
with himself at a lake and he,he's just like, staring and
talking, literally totallygassing himself up how beautiful
he is and oh, my goodness, andthe other thing.
And he was like, oh, I have togo, but no, don't leave me.
Literally to himself at hisreflection, and he does it so
much, he just he dies.
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He's literally there forever,like he doesn't drink, he
doesn't eat, he doesn't drink,he doesn't eat, he doesn't do
anything, he does not leave, hedies at that spot.
So it's kind of great like it'skind of sad, but it's kind of
great like that's a very loosetelling of like there's a
billion other stories of how itgoes.
That's probably much moreromanticized or not romanticized
all of these.
Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
there's like a million ways to tell them, but
the the core thing is narcissistwas a narcissist and Echo was a
poor girl and you know what hedies in the end.
Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
Exactly, that's what it does.
Exactly, so new myth Go.
Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
New myth.
Okay, I don't even want to tellyou the name of it, like it's a
whole new myth.
I just want you to hear it andI want you to know that I'm
excited about this, that I'mexcited about this a whole new
myth.
I had a helper they're gonnaremain unnamed.
That'll give you all of thehints you need.
Once upon a time, in a worldspun from music and mayhem, a
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few wandering souls crossedpaths on a live stream.
There were no voices at first,only words, only energy, only
the undeniable hum of somethingwaking up.
Angie and Brooke were theguardians of the space, the
steady hands keeping the currentflowing.
And then, through the chaoticglow of the chat Becca, arrived
a voice not yet heard but deeplyfelt.
There was no ceremony, no grandannouncement, just a moment
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that clicked, as if the starsabove, exhausted from being
subtle, threw them all togetherand said here, find each other,
it's time.
They bonded over the music,over the musician whose voice
wove them together, and didn'ttake long before laughter
erupted.
Inside jokes were born andmemes were forged in the fires
of unhinged creativity.
They became leaders, theybecame sisters and when the old
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world fell away, they carry eachother into a new one without
looking back.
And then, from another corner ofthe cosmos, came Kyle, angie's
brother, in arms, shaped bybattles no one would ever see at
first glance, in his armor ofkindness, his blade of loyalty,
and his royal companion, aservice dog with a crown
invisible to all but those whoknow.
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Companion, a service dog withthe crown, invisible to all but
those who know.
Kyle didn't arrive withtrumpets or fanfare, he just fit
like he had always been therewaiting.
They became four witches andwarriors, chaos makers bound not
by blood but by choice, acrossmiles, across every invisible
line the world thought it couldput.
Between them, they built atemple of laughter, mystery and
love, a podcast born not toplease anyone but to keep the
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fire alive inside themselves.
Every Monday, without fail,they meet, not in a palace or
studio, but in a digitalclubhouse that feels more real
than half the cities on thisearth.
They tell stories of monsters,mysteries and madness, and
sometimes, when the laughterdies down and the echoes settle,
you can hear it the heartbeatof something sacred.
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The myth of the Black CurtainClub isn't just a story about a
podcast.
It's about how the universestill remembers, how to shove
the right people together.
It's about family, the kind youbuild yourself.
It's about never forgetting themoment.
You found each other.
You found home.
That's it.
How do you like it?
Do you like it Sweet huh?
Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
Man shut the fuck up.
Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Don't cry, man.
Shut the fuck up, dude.
What are you doing?
Do you like it?
Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
I do, I do very, very much oh man, you're part of the
myth now.
Uh-oh.
Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Yeah, Aw.
Well, see now that I was sweetto you, I could be really mean
to you at the outro if I wantedto be able to balance it back
out.
Would that make you feel better?
Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
Oh my God.
Yeah, because that's absolutelybeen our topic of the entire
night.
Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Hell yeah, all right.
Well, kyle, you didn't fuckeverything up.
We are wrapping at a decenttime and there's still a little
mead left at the bottom of mytankard, so why don't we give
this episode a proper Vikingfuneral and let it all go down
in flames?
This has been the MythicallyMorbid episode of the Black
Curtain Club podcast.
If you enjoyed this one, giveus a like, a comment, and
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subscribe to the Black CurtainClub wherever you get your
podcast fix.
If there's an episode you wantto see us tackle, drop a comment
down below and I will send Kyleto go see what the hell you're
talking about.
Every Monday from now untilRagnarok, we'll be releasing a
new episode After Ragnarok.
Mondays will now be calledKyle's Day because he sucks like
Mondays.
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Nothing else will change.
That is all.
Bye, bye.
Say bye Kyle, bye Kyle.
Say bye kyle, bye kyle hellyeah, I'll see you next time.
Before we begin today's episode of the Black
Curtain Club podcast, we wouldlike to share a quick disclaimer
.
The views, opinions andstatements expressed by the
hosts and guests on this podcastare their own personal views
and are provided in their ownpersonal capacity.
All content is editorial,opinion-based and intended for
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entertainment purposes only.
Listener discretion is advised.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Hello, you mythical monsters.
It's us, your friendlyneighborhood Black Curtain Club
podcast.
And this week you have me,becca, and you have Kyle, and we
are talking about motherfuckingmythology.
Kyle, how the hell are you?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Uh, yes, did I get you fired up?
You're just overwhelmed.
Yes, so overwhelmed.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
My whelms are over so basically, big sister becca has
to pull kid brother kylethrough the ringer to make sure
he gets his baby podcaster wingsbut doesn't fly too close to
the sun.
So me and Kyle found commonground, basically through a mild
obsession with mythology, andso for our first one-on-one
recording, we're going to talkabout some twisted tales from
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times of old.
How do you feel?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I feel like a missed opportunity of making an Icarus
reference about 13 seconds ago,but I love myths.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Do you feel like Icarus I?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
really do?
Do I feel like icarus?
Do I feel?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
like icarus, yeah absolutely not no, if you were
to compare yourself to one mythbefore we jump into all of these
, do you have one that speaks toyou the most?
Oh god, character or mythspecifically yeah oh I'll say,
for me, atlas, atlas is the onethat, like the story of it and
like you know, the symbology,the symbology Symbolism.
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I believe the symbolism.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Okay, Boondock Saints , you caught me there, oh man,
what was the one where the guypushes the rock up the hill?
Forever and ever and ever andever?
Speaker 2 (02:26):
um, what's the name of that?
Is it sisyphus?
Speaker 3 (02:29):
sisyphus.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yes, yes I knew that name until you asked me that
question, and then I just so Ifeel like um jason and the
agronauts oh, jason and theargonauts.
I was gonna say sisyphus andAtlas, Like we make quite a pair
, you and I don't we?
Oh, that's something you pushbig rock, I hold big rock.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Well, yeah, we just we rock and roll all day, yeah
we rock all day long.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
So the first one that I wanted to go into today is, I
would say, like the genesis ofGreek mythology.
So it's the Titanomachy I don'tknow if I'm saying that word
right.
It's the big fancy book smartword for the civil war between
the gods of the Greek pantheon.
It's not just civil war.
This is like Avengers InfinityWar.
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All the good characters cometogether and they show us that
even from the dawn of creation,daddy issues have had this
planet in a chokehold.
So it's Titans versusOlymplympians, father versus son
, brother versus brother kyle,I'm gonna make sure you're
paying attention.
Do you know what the titanomakiis?
Have you heard of it before?
Yes, am I saying it right?
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I?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
girl, come on do not ask me like pronunciation.
Don't't ask me spellings.
I apologize to anyone we'regoing to offend with how we're
going to butcher names andreferences and just general
vocabulary.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
We have a drunk historian's enthusiasm for
mythology.
We are not scholars, by anymeans.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Can we do drunk history episode at some point?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I would love to do a Drunk History episode with you.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Oh my God, we will literally meet up at a bar and
we'll live stream or something.
We'll just get shithoused.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Oh my God.
Peanuts on the floor,everything I want it so bad.
Yes.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Yes, like a dive bar, like a shitty dive bar.
We meet up somewhere and thenjust get annihilated.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I'm going to hold bar .
We meet up somewhere and thenjust get annihilated.
I'm gonna hold you to that,kyle.
So to get back on track hereyes, I'm getting way too excited
, so this isn't like one ofthose stories, for one pantheon
replaces another.
This is god overthrowing god ina straight-up cage.
Match the thunderdome but um,it's for cosmic balance
essentially, essentially sowhere?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
the.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Titans represented the chaotic, elemental forces of
the world.
The Olympians were fighting forstructure, hierarchy, and you
know what I'll say?
It ego the battle of what wasversus the battle of what will
be.
So it's where things getdownright human.
Basically, grandpappy Uranushas a bad millennium and trapped
the children he fathered withGaia.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Okay, are you talking about the Greek or the Roman?
Because Uranus was Okay, soUranus was the Roman name,
kronos was the Greek name.
Kronos.
Okay so listen.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I'm talking about Kronos' father.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yeah, I still don't think that was Uranus because
the I'm talking about Kronos'father.
I still don't think that wasUranus because the I'm pretty
sure it's Uranus, kyle.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I did the research.
Okay, you know what?
Becca's probably wrong, kyle'sprobably wrong.
One of us is wrong.
Either way, uranus getsoverthrown by Kronos in my
research okay, yes, yesbasically, kronos didn't think
it was very cool of his dad todo something like that, and so
he castrated him.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
I mean fair.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Look, we aren't gods.
We aren't supposed to questiontheir logic, but I'm feeling a
bit judgmental.
This is followed by a prophecythat Cronus' children will one
day overthrow him.
Being a level-headed individual, cronus swallows each of his
children.
His wife, rhea, is not stoked.
She decides to pull a fast oneand trick Cronus into swallowing
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a rock instead of the kid shehad just had, and hides him on
Crete.
Spoiler alert this is our boyZeus Rock.
She's like I'm tired of pushingout these kids just into the
chronos feeding machine.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
it's just like straight straight into a meat
grinder, just bam I don't knowhow big that rock must have been
at least the size of a babyyeah, at least a child size no,
no, yeah, no, you're right, itwas was Uranus was the father of
Kronos.
Now that I'm thinking about it,oh see, thank you, I needed
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that.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
You shook my self-confidence in the beginning
.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Yeah, Saturn was the name of Kronos.
That was my bad.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
So, basically, this is a classic coming-of-age tale
where we explore overthrowingdaddy and making the same
mistakes over and over again.
Like I said, it's pretty mortalof them.
What's different this time is,instead of one god trying to be
main god zeus frees his siblingsand they try to take over
together, and this war lasts 10years.
Um, that alone says something10 years as a cosmic generation.
It's the changing of the guardthat left scars over every layer
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of the universe.
Zeus leveled the playing fieldby freeing a few baddies with
the common enemy and fuckingpeople over, which is pretty
much the tips.
It tips the behavior scale backtowards godhood.
If I'm honest, like it's, youknow, they're more aligning with
something a god would do than ahuman would do.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Well, you know.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Zeus and fucking that kind of goes hand in hand.
So you know.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
So here's where this is going to get me with names.
He lets loose Cyclops and inthe process he's given his
Thunderbolts.
This is his Thorn Mjolnirmoment.
His big He-Man energy comes out.
He-man energy comes out.
There's also Hecaton Kiaris.
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He's a hundred-handed giant,hurls mountains like snowballs.
I don't want to say Hulk smashor clobber in time, but I mean
I'm telling you it's InfinityWar.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
It's fairly close.
Or is Infinity War this?
Or is Infinity War this Myths,this, telling each other all the
time.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
And then we have atlas and epimetheus.
This is um.
This is where it gets mefeeling blue.
Their brothers divided by theconflict.
Atlas sides with the titans andwhen they lose, zeus gives him
the most brutal sentence ever,holding up the sky for eternity.
Not just punishment, butisolation, immobilization and
weight.
Epimetheus, meanwhile, sideswith the olympians.
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He avoids punishment, but he isthe one who has to accept
pandora, the vessel of humansuffering yes, so he just opens
the door to another cycle ofpain, and it's just on a mortal
level.
Um, one side crushed by theheavens, the other is tricked
into ushering in all of theworld's ills.
There are no clean hands indivine war, so it's the
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aftermath that leads into.
Like mythology as most peopleknow it, it's not just the birth
of the gods as we know them,it's the introductory course for
generational trauma.
Every generation of powerthinks that it's the last.
And for generation ofgenerational trauma, every
generation of power thinks thatit's the last.
And everyone rises to believethat it can do better.
Cronus was a tyrant because hefeared becoming his father.
Zeus became a tyrant trying notto become cronus.
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And it's cyclical tyrannymasked as justice between
grandpa uranus, cronus and zeus.
It's like the wheel of traumabegins with our celestial bodies
not getting hugged enough.
And this war isn't just a clashof power.
It's the world being carvedinto thrones zeus gets the sky,
poseidon gets the sea, hadesgets the underworld.
Gaia never gets justice for allthose kids she had that got.
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Eight, like the titans, arelocked away in tartarus and
everyone is seething with quietresentment after this.
This is when it gets so bopperyright.
This is when they stop beingcosmic metaphors and become
dysfunctional power families.
They mirror us more than theylead us.
What do you think about thetitanomaki title?
Speaker 3 (10:18):
that it sounds eerily like every thanksgiving at my
parents house I I know, I knowit's too close to home, aside
from the baby eating, you know,aside from the baby eating.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Aside from the baby eating, Although if you had eggs
that morning, you probably atechildren right, I do not eat
eggs, so there's that.
I learned something new aboutyou every day.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
It's almost always food related, but I feel like
you are much more well prepared.
Like that was a legit likereport and I just have like a
storyteller.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I'm a storyteller.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
I was gonna do this with my whole ass, like there's
no half-assing this for me, butI mean never half-ass, two
things, whole ass, one just thefact that you're sitting here
listening to me validates thefuck out of me, so it's a
greater reward yeah, no, I mean,I'm just going to like bro
spark, note all my shit and youhave like an entire report and
like a powerpoint and like sitesand references and like and I'm
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just like yo like ragnarok am Iright?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
please don't make me admit on the recording that I do
not cite my sources.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
I mean, you can just cut that out, right.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
You do all the editing, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Okay, not science, but you know what I mean.
Like yours sounds like a superlike official report and I'm
just like yo.
There was people, they didthings.
Shit was crazy.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
No, totally, I'm going to do my best not to sound
like I stated.
In that case, let me do mine,then you do yours, then mine,
then you do yours, then I'll doone of mine, then you do yours,
and we'll just like overlap themlike that.
It'll just be like big one,small one, big one, small one
yeah, we'll definitely go withthat one.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Because, yeah, because, like, what's funny is
that the ace here in the vanarwar is literally the same thing
that you just said, just it's.
It's this.
It is literally the same thing,just norse which I think is
perfect yes, I'm so excited I'mfired up about war right now.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yes, I'm so excited I'm fired up about war right now
.
All right, lay it on me.
Oh, it's my go, it's your turn.
I just read kyle, you did justread kyle, I did okay.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Yeah, I think this is .
This is the fun part, where wefind out, um, at least anyone
who gives a remote crap aboutmythology, and not just like one
specific one.
If you go and you learndifferent cultures, mythologies
and their stories, you start tosee an eerie amount of
similarities, which we'll do ourbest not to go down that rabbit
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hole of why.
I think that is, but I digressanywho.
So, actually, kind of funny.
She would start with the titan.
I'm just gonna say titan, godwar, uh, from greek mythology,
because then it brings you toone of my favorite stories,
oddly enough, the acer vanar warfrom norse mythology.
The norse world is broken upinto nine realms and I forget a
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lot of the middle ones there.
But there is Asgard is thehighest.
Helheim is hell, the lowest,and at the dead center is
Midgard, and I don't rememberoff the top of my head all the
different levels of how they go,but there's like the Realm of
the Elves.
So that's Alfenheim, there'sJotunheim, a lot of Heims.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yeah Heim, a lot of Heims, a lot of Heims.
Yeah Heim, a lot of Heims.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
A lot of Heimi.
Heim.
I'm realm, but either way, I'mHeim.
Each of them represent adifferent layer of the Tree of
Life, so there was two sets ofinsanely strong beings, aka gods
, the Aesir and the Vanar.
The Aesir are, depending onwhich book you read and how it
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goes, those are the ascendantgods.
If you will, we're talking Odin, heimdall, loki, thor, pretty
much anyone that could berepresented as a god of war or
has a really short temper as towhere the van are, are more of
the creative side, more of theearth kind of bounded side.
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Let's think of it likesorcerers and druids, if you
would for we've got our mageclass, we've got no, all
seriousness, completeseriousness.
So like the ace years were moreof a magical power, so like, uh,
knowledge and lightning anddeep sight and foresight and
frost and stuff, so things thatare kind of mystical, as to
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where the Vanar were, the godsof fertility, the earth, the sky
, the water, the elementselemental.
Elementals yes elemental, yes,celestials and elementals, okay,
is kind of the easiest way tobreak them down.
Lo and behold one of them notsaying which kind of thought
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they were just better than theothers because they have those
physical war-like powers andtendencies, that conqueror
spirit if you will.
So they felt that they shouldbe the ones in the Almighty's
house.
It goes little did they know?
They bit off a lot more thanthey can chew, going up against
the Vanar, and that there's muchmore love and respect that
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needed to be held for theelements and not just physical
strength.
So it's more or less likeknowledge versus power, the pen
and the sword.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Ooh, I love this.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
The tale is old this time that's kind of.
What sparked it is that theAesirs felt that they should be
the sole rulers and, like a lotof stories and myths, there's
tellings and retellings andrenames of this and renames of
that, but the one that kind ofgoes through is that they're in
a horrendously bloody stalemate.
I don't even remember, I forgetexactly how long it is, but
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there's a lot of f and zerosafter the one of how many years
this war went on for oh, no,yeah, I mean shattered the
shattered the realms, shatteredthe cosmos, for however long
broke the glass ceilingliterally all of it broke the
seal, broke the ceiling, all ofit everything's just
Speaker 2 (16:00):
pissing out into the into the universe, like cosmos,
like they're equivalent toPandora's box opening.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Yeah, literally that, Literally that.
Actually it was the first endof everything.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
That was badass.
The first end of everything,exactly.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Because there's an insane amount of that in Norse
mythology.
It's incredibly doom and gloom.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Very much.
Death and destruction is likerebirth for them.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
But there is that recreation, there is that, so I
mean just death itself, liketheir warriors would go to
Valhalla, so like, yes, theydied, but they're automatically
then brought into Valhalla.
So there is, in a sense, arebirth or a continuation.
There's always that, there'salways that cycle.
As far as the Tree of Life,everything's represented as
circles and the knots, and neverending.
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There's an insane amount ofcontinuation.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I love the way they treat an honorable death.
I love any culture thathighlights the respectability of
an honorable death and howsacred that is like.
A lot of people can go out likecowards.
They can go out in all kinds ofways, right, but if you like,
10 toes on the ground.
You died with honor.
Son, we're gonna protect you inthe afterlife.
You got bitches on bitches.
They're waiting for you forever.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
And guess what?
they're just gonna be pouringyour drinks and filling your
plate forever, literally all ofeternity, until a couple of
things happen and then a homiecalls you up on the horn and
then we got to like go kick assagain.
We'll get to that in a minute,but either way, what broke the
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massive stalemate and actuallywas the end of the war was
Odin's, just like this is what'sgoing to go.
I'm going to marry your queenand we'll call it square.
That was freya.
Oh, my girl, that is so zeus isa zeus.
Wow, yeah, odin's original wifewas frigga.
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Frigga was an ace here and itwas only.
It was then and only then towhere freya did realize that
they were kind of losing it.
She was like, if they kill usall, no one's gonna be there to
control the elements and they'refucked either way.
So like, whatever, kill us all.
Um, odin learned that and hewas like okay, how about this?
Um, we get married and the waris over, and then they actually
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do so.
They do get married and there'snone of this like bad blood
between them, all they, the waris just over at the wedding and
all the gods just kind of getbrought into the fold and
there's literal peace throughoutthe cosmos and it's never
broken, except for one dickhead,but Loki doesn't count.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
It's his job.
He has to test the boundaries.
Okay, he's got to make sureit's fair and tight.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Exactly Second child syndrome.
What can we say?
Speaker 2 (18:50):
You can already see a big difference and I'll just
say it in the respect for thebalance of things, in spite of
the fact that they are in a warlike they.
Yes, they were willing to letit go on for a very long time,
but they were willing to resolvethings instead of just locking
some very crucial controllers of, like, the elements and the
balance, just locking them awaysomewhere where they couldn't
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come back out like, no, theworld can just burn without you.
We don't care.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
So that's one thing Respect Norse mythology.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Things balance as everything should be.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
All right, so let's keep pulling threads.
I want to go into Medusa'sCurse, and this is one that's
like.
This one hits close to home fora lot of reasons.
I like this one because itshows how flawed the gods were.
It's a victim, furthervictimized and made into a
monster in the process.
In some ways, she never has toworry about it happening again,
but she isn't who she was before, and I think it's an example of
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the impact of violation and howtrauma not only changes you,
but it can be felt in the peopleyou come into contact with.
Right, I want to tell her story, but I want to tell both sides
today and I hope I do herjustice.
So before I take us into thedark, kyle buddy, are you ready
to hear the real story of medusa?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
okay.
So this will probably be onlylike the third time I've ever
heard the story and I will neverforget the very first time I
heard the actual story and I waslike bro, fuck these gods.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Hashtag free my homie Medusa.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Heck, yeah, hashtag justice for Medusa mama.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Fuck, yeah, you're the right man to have on this
podcast.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
So I want to talk to you about Medusa the priestess.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Okay, before she turned men to stone, she turned
heads for different reasons.
She walked barefoot through themarble temple, silent as
seafoam.
She was devoted, not for thepromise of reward but for the
quiet she found in Athena'sservice, a stillness that made
the world feel clear.
Her beauty was whisperedreverence, not a temptation.
In the evening she sang not foranyone else, just for the
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acoustics in the sacred hallsand the way her voice echoed off
the limestone, as if the godsthemselves would harmonize with.
Here comes Medusa the monsterIn the service of the goddess.
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She's violated by the godposeidon inside of the temple,
she honored her silence.
Poseidon echoed through thestone chambers.
The warning carried on saltslike air.
The temple was gone, the marblecracked, the oil lamps
extinguished.
She no longer sang, she hissed,and that sound made mountains
shudder.
Her hair, once adorned withribbon and gold, now writhe with
serpentspents, not aspunishment but as protection.
They struck at those who cameclose, not just men, but the
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memories.
Her eyes were not cursed, theywere defenses hardened after too
many soft glances turnedagainst her.
She didn't turn people to stoneout of malice.
It was simply the only languagethe world respected.
From her.
Now, silence had failed, so shepetrified.
She became the myth they feared, because it was the only way
they would leave her alone.
She wasn't cruel, she wascruelty's consequence.
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And in her lair she sculptedsilence.
A gallery of greed and pridefrozen in time, a graveyard of
those who believed their desirewas more powerful than her
autonomy.
She, she's not a villain, she'sa boundary set in flesh and
fang.
So if we unpack this, there's alot to be drawn from it so far,
but it's not over.
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This is just the beginning.
Right, I want to talk about herend, but before I do, I want to
see where your head's at thisstory hits different for women.
It just does, and I genuinelywant your thoughts as a man.
What does it feel like for youto hear the story of Medusa?
I know it's not easy to ask,but like what does this strike
in you?
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I, I promise I'm going to do my absolute best for
, like, our respects and, like Isaid, I I don't have any type
of a say in this matter but,like, I'm completely honest,
have any type of uh say in thismatter.
But, like, I'm completelyhonest, the first time I, first
time I heard the story, I waslike it broke my heart.
It really did, yeah, really did, because, like, if you ask
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anyone, the story of medusa,they're going to tell you is she
was this snake-headed monsterwho turned these men to stone
and so on and so forth.
So they only get that one andit's just like it just shows
that, like, even ancient historywill just be buried.
The truth just gets buried andburied, and buried.
And then there's plenty ofsources and tellings and
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retellings of the story that waslike no, the actual story is,
you know, is this is right,exactly what you've said.
It's not her, it's not anoffense, it's it's, it's a
defense, it's exactly that shewas.
She was turned into the monster.
If um if you will it.
It really honestly broke myheart the first time I heard it.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Still does, it still does and like it doesn't and
that's what sucks, so it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
And that's what sucks , so it doesn't end there, and
that's what really pisses me off.
So bear with me for a minutewhile I rant about the heroes of
history.
For a second, perseus did notslay a monster, he hunted a
survivor.
Okay, she wasn't threateningkingdoms, she wasn't waging war,
she was in exile, alone, hiddenfrom the world minding her
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fucking business.
Minding her goddamn business herisolation was read as defiance.
Her existence was a threat.
The gods themselves couldn'ttouch her anymore, so they sent
a super soldier with paper thinskin in the game.
They stacked the deck againsther so it wouldn't even be a
fair fight, right.
They gave him a mirrored shield.
They gave him all the tools togo into it.
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He didn't face her tounderstand her.
He wanted to outsmart her.
He tried to avoid her.
He tried to corner her and thenhe took her head and he didn't
cry.
He used it as a weapon, andthat's what that's.
What really gets me about.
It is they used her body evenafter she was dead, like turning
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her into a monster wasn'tenough.
They still thought they had theright to her and they called
him a hero.
It's irony in the worst fuckingway possible.
So like it just fucking gets me.
She became their weapon aftershe could no longer speak, and
maybe that's like what reallyhurts.
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It's not the death, it's therepurposing, it's the rebranding
of a warning into a war cry.
The gods who cursed her allowedher desecration.
The same hands that couldn'ttouch her alive gripped her
lifeless power with pride, likefucked up, so fucked up.
She deserved a funeral.
They gave her a battlefield.
Fuck, perseus.
I'll say it.
Go ahead, kyle, you can talknow.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
This is me off man I'm, I'm, I just, oh, jesus, I'm
so happy I'm not Perseus,fucking Christ.
But I couldn't agree more and Ihave never thought of that
until you've just said thisright now.
Is that like it really is?
Like she was just a priestessjust minding her own business.
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And then Poseidon, he was like,hey, my brother's doing it, why
don't I just do it?
So then, cause that.
And then he was like, oh, andnow she's a monster.
She's like that thing is likereally dangerous evil.
She's like listen, everyone,just leave me the fuck alone.
Right, just stay over here, donot enter, do not pass, go, do
not collect 200 drachmi orwhatever the fuck they called it
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.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
then just no boys allowed exactly no, just no.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Nothing allowed.
I don't give a shite.
And then they were just like yo.
Here's the thing.
We fucked up with this otherproblem over here.
Here's what you got to do.
Here's this awesome shield.
Here's this weird ass owl thing.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I don't know how you got that right now.
Whoever the fuck its name is.
Thanks, Artemis.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Exactly, you get all this awesome shit.
Go ahead and kill this really,really bad, evil monster.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
They gave him a loot drop before he went into the
boss fight.
They literally did.
It's so bullshit.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Exactly, they gave him all the cheat codes.
Here's the HDR with the fullset scopes and all those other
things, the hip fire lasers, allthat kind of shit.
You got this.
Go get that noob who just gotout of the gulag and it's
totally fine.
And then not like you said.
And then not only that, eventhen, even in death, she
couldn't be at peace.
They weaponized her.
They weaponized her actual body.
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What was left?
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Literally the carcass .
Like we can't even leave her.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
We're not even going to bury her.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
We're just going to leave her in the hall with all
the men, she had to fight off.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Exactly Just right there, just her body's left
there.
Her head is then taken to justbe.
You know, they didn't just likeokay, yes, thank you, medusa,
and now you have done this thingand so on, and we would return
your head and give you a piece.
No, they just like all right,sick.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yay, this bitch empty they were like oh, we fucking
killed the kraken today andlet's put medusa's head up here
where everyone can see it allthe time we can, can all look at
.
Medusa now.
Exactly, I hate them, I hatethem.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Yeah, they're pretty goddamn terrible.
They're pretty goddamn terrible.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
All right, take me away from Medusa's lair, please,
before I start fighting thegods.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Oh, man, what a bummer I know, it's oh God.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Tale as old as time.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Tale as old as time.
No stop stop stop, stop, stop.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Beauty and the Beast.
I was going to go.
Violation and no peace.
Oh no, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
That's staying in, that's what she said.
Yeah, that is what she said.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Tell my story.
I thought I would be said today.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
The world will know what you said here today.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Well, now we'll just lighten the mood and we'll go to
a lovely land.
Back to the Norse of Ragnarok.
Oh yeah, I'll rip through thisone as fast as I can, so not
marvel's totally awesome andvery funny ragnarok, actual
ragnarok, um very depressing warand death of everything.
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It's the literal end of theworld in norse mythology.
So, uh, I mean they touch onsome of the points in the movie,
but serter is exactly that.
Serter, serter, falter, god ofdestruction, fire, death,
anguish.
He's a.
He's a big monster, he'sloosely norse mythologies, satan
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, devil, whatever um the big guy.
Oh yeah, the big guy.
It's grown, that guy, the bigone, anyhow.
Um, it's his raging of waragainst the gods, but actually
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I'm getting slightly ahead ofmyself.
Technically that is ragnarok,but Ragnarok was brought upon
because Loki's a dick.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
And we love him for it.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
We do.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
He does it for the plot.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Okay, exactly, do it for the vibe.
No, I do it for the plot Balder.
Balder was one of the othergods, he was the pretty boy.
So think of like the prettiestboy that you can To our
listeners.
I don't know whomever it may be, you know Cavill, brad Pitt,
george Clooney for some of ourolder crowds, he was stunning,
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he was gorgeous, he was perfect.
He was the son of Freya.
I think he was the first son.
He was the oldest or theyoungest of Freya and Odin,
their actual biological children.
And so it was prophesied toFreya that he will die and she
was like that's horseshit, I'mgoing to cheat death and I'm
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going to cheat fate.
And so she had every livingcreature being so on and so
forth.
Swear to her that they wouldnot harm Boulder, every beast,
every rock, every stone, everytree, every person, all of them,
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except for the mistletoe,because the mistletoe is I don't
know if anyone knows what amistletoe is besides the one at
Christmas time.
It's a very small, weak plant.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
It's a very tiny, it's like a fungus, right yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Well, I think it is an actual flower, or like an
actual, but it's just, it's very, very small.
It's very tiny, like the onesyou see hanging above your doors
are literally that big.
See, hanging above your doorsare literally that big.
Um, you know, they're seen asvery, you know, she, she's just
like oh, there's no way thatthat can harm my, there's no way
that can harm my son, so I'mnot gonna make that thing yeah,
that it not, not my specialperfect no, not my boy actually
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so the mistletoe wouldn't.
So in one of these awesomemoments which it's very unclear,
which god thought of it, butthere's no way this wasn't a
Thor thought.
Hey, you know it would beHashtag Thor thoughts Exactly.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Ooh, that's a good one.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
You know it would be such a fun game to play right
now.
Let's try to kill Baldur,because he can't die.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
So like time and time again in battle he would just
regenerate he could.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
So they had literally seen him be struck in battle
and like enemies would throw andhurl rocks at him.
And he never dies, he never.
He was just like let's try andkill boulder, because he can't.
I mean, they're they'rethrowing axes at him, they're
he's smashing him with mule inthere and he's just.
Thank you, sir, can I haveanother?
Thank you, sir, can I haveanother?
Speaker 2 (32:30):
they are he's their version of kick the can.
Exactly that's.
That's it.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
They're beating the piss out of him.
Right, it's beat on Boulder Day.
No, he's there, he's loving it,he thinks it's the funniest
shit in the world.
I swear to God, all the godsare there and they're just like
drinking and trying to killBoulder, knowing that they can't
.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Oh, this guy sounds awesome.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
I'm sorry to kill them, but loki p and loki.
He found out that the mistletoewas the only thing that freya
didn't have swear that couldcouldn't harm him.
So loki's like oh you know,it's gonna be so funny if I turn
this into like a dart or anarrow and I give it to my
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brother, the fucking god of war,and he throws it out of.
This is gonna be great.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Oh, my god, that's exactly what he does he turns it
into an arrow and he's like,hey, it's here.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
I bet you 10 stats of mead that you can't kill
boulder with it.
He goes ha, watch this.
Yeet pierces his heart.
Boulder starts bleeding.
The death of boulder.
So it was foretold that his andthe reason why?
Not only because it was special, perfect boy, but it was then
foretold that, upon the death ofboulder, thimble winter would
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set in a two-year thimble winterthimble winter, you're killing
me I.
I swear to God.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Are you trying to curse my bloodline?
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Upon the death of Boulder, Fimblewinter was set.
Upon the two years left,Ragnarok ensues.
So Whoa.
Boulder now lies dead.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Thanks Loki and Mistletoe you dick Loki, thanks
Loki.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
A two year long winter of the entire world.
So, and so just like a mini iceage right well, so, okay, so
for them it's a mini ice age.
But I was, like scientistswould kind of say, it was like
yeah, so like the ice age wasthimble winter.
Um, yes, so winter, exactly.
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Because, like, oh, because,like god, lifespans are
different, so and so forth,because, like, however fucking
long it doesn't matter immortallike the spouse voice spouse
voice another callback.
Um yeah, then there's skull andheady and also the kind of fun
stuff and there's a.
There's about a billion otherstories within that timeframe,
but the important ones is thedeath of Baldur, because that
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immediately triggers Ragnarok tohappen, and then now, after
that, surtur is able to get hiscrown and raise his armies from
the underworld in Helheim and golay siege to Asgard and for the
never-ending war of the gods.
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So in this one the notabledeaths are everybody, literally
everybody.
Kill, count all, kill, counteverything.
It is the end of the actualworld.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Control A delete.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Yes, exactly, Loki and his children side with
Surtur.
Loki's children are Frenyr,Jormungandr and Hela.
They all side with, and I wantto say the giant horse with like
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nine legs and four tails.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
I'm pretty sure that's one of Loki's kids, a
sluttnir, whatever his name isyeah, yeah, sluthair, or
whatever, whatever that's.
What about the marvel moviethat, like broke the immersion
was, hello is supposed to bethor's sister, but I'm like no,
that's loki's child that'sliterally loki's child.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Literally, yoki, yoki yeah anyhow, yeah, whatever.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
When nerds are nerds about nerd shit, yeah it, just
it, just.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
It's nerdception baby .
So then you have thor andjormungandr facing off, and so
jormungandr is the world serpent, bites thor, um, thor does thor
things, and he bashes his facein with mjolnir himbo style
eventually killing, eventuallykilling him, but he succumbs to
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the poison.
Uh, heimdall and loki, kind oftrade, like they kind of stab
each other, like at the sametime, and they both fall,
intimate, yes, exactly.
And then, as sorter takes hissword and plunges it into I
think it's to like the main,like source of the, the tree of
life and all that kind of fun tobe plunges.
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He plunges a sword into it,odin tries to jump in the way
like, yes, my mere body willstop this gigantic sword, and
then everyone dies and likeeverything explodes.
It's it literally, it wipeshumanity, it wipes the slate
clean.
But, like, as we talked aboutearlier, the amazing thing about
Norse mythology is that all sothat new life can begin and take
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over and start anew, and thenit's just the new.
There's going to be God's 2.0.
Right To kind of take over, Ibelieve some of the people who
lived, thor's sons, magni andModi, I think, tyr, I want to
say he did, lady Sif.
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So, very few of the big ones.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Is this when Loki goes to jail?
Speaker 3 (37:55):
It depends on which there's.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Because I know there's like a point in Norse
mythology when Loki is just likeout of the picture off in jail
somewhere and everyone's like no, we don't talk about Loki,
we're all mad at him.
He has to like have his childbring him food yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
So so there's two tellings of that one.
So of, like, his big sense, hedid a couple of dimes, um, his
first one was at the death ofbalder, because they were like
loki, you dick, uh, actuallyeverything ended yeah, actually
not even because of that one.
So they, so they imprisoned lokiand all that other jazz.
Then and there, uh, tearstricken with grief and sentence
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, he self-exiles himself.
So that's why he lived theragnarok, because he, just like
he, literally ran away becausehe couldn't believe that he
killed his brother.
He feels fully responsible.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
So Loki goes to Dagobah into exile.
I must go Exactly.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Exactly no, no.
Loki went to the Citadelhardcore prison and then Tyr
goes into Dagobah Gotcha, okay.
So they added that one.
And then there was anothertelling a little bit what they
show in the Marvel movies.
In the second one Though hedidn't actually like kill her,
he was kind of the catalyst whoset everything in motion that
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brought upon the death of hismother.
It was found that he was themastermind behind the plan that
had the elves invade Asgard.
He was then imprisoned for that.
So they loosely based on thatin the Marvel movies.
So there was like kind of two.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Think of it like Old Testament.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
New Testament, if you will.
So that was so.
Ragnarok is Old Testament Loki,and the invasion of Alfheim is
New Testament Loki.
He still sucks in both of them.
He's still a trickster.
He's still a dick in both ofthem it's just.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
But he's like no guys I changed.
Remember that was old Loki,exactly New Loki, new Loki, woo.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
New Loki rules Exactly Loki 2.0.
Woo-woo, woo-woo Doesn't matterthe testament.
Loki's a dick, but we love him.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
He's one of my favorites dude.
For the plot, Always for theplot.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Exactly Just to stir the fucking pot.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
All right, I want to go into the 12 labors of
emotional avoidance, aka thestory of Hercules.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Before or after he goes.
Before or after Hera makes himinsane and makes him eat his
kids.
A lot of baby eating going on Alot of baby eating.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Everyone eats their young, so I saved this one.
Everyone eats their young, so Isaved this one.
Um, as with all things thattake off in a big way, hercules
got famous for all the wrongreasons, and I want you to think
about it for a minute, becauseI'm gonna circle back to zeus
and hera.
We have zeus out here makingtitans and setting them loose on
the world for the hell of it,and hera over here with resting
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bitch face because her man won'tstay at home.
The two of them make life a lotharder than it needs to be for
humans, like we are sick oftheir shit just go to fucking
couples therapy, would you?
Speaker 3 (40:53):
jesus christ?
Speaker 2 (40:54):
no I'm gonna keep banging titans and demigods like
as a baby hercules.
He's literally choking snakesin his cribs, like the opposite
of SIDS.
It's not really surprising.
Things take a darker turn whenhe gets older, right, kyle, you
and I are parents.
Imagine the terrible twos witha demigod or teenage angst,
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right?
I'm pretty sure that's where Iam right now and the idea of
frat party like teenage, youngadult Hercules it makes me want
to invest in drywall and coverall of my drinks Like God.
Get Hercules away from me.
He's mega Chad if you thinkabout it.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
The giga mega ultra Chad.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
What I think about Hercules Kyle.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
I want to know what you think about Hercules.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
You haven't told us what you think about Hercules,
yet we're talking about DisneyHercules.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
We're talking about Hercules, hercules.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
You think Hercules comes to you in your mind.
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (41:53):
That it's one of the best Disney movies ever, but
like horribly false, exactlythat.
Like I mean yeah, I think wehit it on the head the ultra
Giga Chad Like he's the boss'sson.
He can do no wrong.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
My daddy knows the lawyers.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Exactly, it's not his car, that's daddy's leases on
that Viper and all that kind ofshit.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
He's like the second Perseus for Zeus.
This is is my spitting image.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
I'm so proud of this boy which is the thing, though I
feel.
I feel the difference betweenperseus and hercules is because
perseus was just kind of like aschmuck and then zeus just like
gassed him up as to where.
Like, hercules thought he wasthe shit, and then zeus was like
you know what?
You are the shit.
So it was just doubled up.
So you're talking, we'retalking double inflate, we're
talking compound inflationinterest on this.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Dick zeus strokes the hell out of an ego man, both
hands spitting on it yeah,that's exactly it.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
So we're like like I said perseus didn't know.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
But then zeus just like gassed him up hercule's new
you called perseus a schmuckand my heart sang, I swear to
god.
So I snagged a quote from thesmart people at the perseus
digital library to outline whyhe was sent on the wild goose
chase to begin with.
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But I want to start by sayinglike, like you said, it's
different from the disney movies.
Hercules was a grown-ass man.
When all of this growth goesdown like, he wasn't some like
bright-eyed young man, it waslike a full-ass adult.
Okay, anyway, the goddess hera,determined to make trouble for
hercules, made him lose his mindin a confused and angry state.
He kills his own wife andchildren when he awakened from
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his and they put this in quotestemporary insanity so so he was,
he was the original.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
He was the original chris benoit yeah, yeah, chris
benoit uh, I'm not proud of thatone.
I'm not proud of that one I'mproud of it.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
I'm so fucking proud of you speaking with your whole
chest man.
So hercules, shocked and upsetby what he'd done, he prayed to
the god apollo for guidance andthe god's oracle, the Oracle of
Delphi.
By the way, people need to stopgoing to this crackhead for
advice first of all.
Seriously, oh my God.
Oracle says that you need toserve Eurystheus, the king of
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Tyrans, and Mycenae for 12 yearsas punishment for the murders.
Part of his sentence, herculeshas to perform 12 labors, feats
so difficult they seemimpossible.
Fortunately, hercules had thehelp of Hermes and Athena,
sympathetic deities who showedup when he really needed help.
By the end of these labors,hercules was, without a doubt,
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greece's greatest hero and theperfect peckin'.
A pack, a pair, pretty packs,bam.
There you go.
His struggles made hercules theperfect example and the
embodiment of the greek ideacalled a pathos, which is the
experience of virtuous struggleand suffering which would lead
to fame and, in hercules's casehercules's case immort.
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So this is like his quest forimmortality.
Essentially, he's like oh no,I'm trying to make up for what I
did.
No, like he wanted to beimmortal, wanted to be a god,
whatever, giga.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Chad.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Giga Chad.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Before we get off the rails, I want to tell you what
this really means.
Hercules is the ultimate tragichimbo, half god.
Unwanted, he is adored for hisstrength and loathed for his
origin.
Zeus never raised him, herahated him, mortals feared him.
And so what happens?
He becomes a weapon.
When the gods need somethingkilled, they call Hercules.
When kings need something donethat no man can do, they send
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Hercules.
He is the tool they use to fixtheir messes.
And when he finally snaps, whenharris sends him into this fit
of madness, he slaughters hisown wife and children, and the
gods are like do chores about itdo chores about scrub the
floors with your toothbrushbasically during the 12 labors,
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hercules is like in recovery,like he's supposed to be, like
staying on the clear andtrue.
Like, yeah, he's in.
Hercules is in rehab, it's godto your saw movie.
Like he's got to solve hislittle puzzles.
And do you want to play a game?
Yeah, I guess.
So I'm gonna break all thefucking rules, though, so I
don't learn anything.
Each labor is not just apunishment.
It's psychological warfare.
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He has to confront monstersthat reflect something deep and
twisted in himself.
Here are a few of them thenimian lion.
It's a beast with impenetrableskin.
What does hercules do?
He strangles it with his barehands and chooses to wear its
skin a metaphor for arming up,armoring up with your own
violence, he becomes what hekills, right?
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what did I learn here?
I got a cool fucking coat.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
Check this shit, I'm just seeing macklemore right now
thrift shop video but, it wasshit, it was 99 cents.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
So the lorne and hydra cut off one head, two
grows back.
You know, very marvel.
Still it feels a lot liketrauma, right.
The more he fights, the worseit gets.
He can't win clean.
This labor is about futilitythe more you repress, the more
it grows.
He has to burn the next clothesto stop the head.
So now we're just introducingself-sabotage as a coping
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mechanism.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
I guess no, effective , no I mean depends potatoes for
trauma?
Speaker 2 (47:28):
a fun one is the ogy and stables literal shit like
years and years and years ofshoveling shit shoveling shit
they're like.
He's like what do I do next,boss?
I don't know if I can go cleanup.
You got time to leave.
You got time to clean herJaleese.
I fucking hate you for that one.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
I mean it was the guy who was supposed to punish him.
He was like out that day or hewas like stuck in, like God
traffic, or whatever he goes, Idon't know.
Fucking clean until he getshere, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
So what he does is he reroutes an entire river with
like burn it all down energy.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
He's like what if I just wash all this shit away?
Hear me out, hear me out thepower washer.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
Power washer like man chores.
It's like I can get all thisdone in seconds.
Let me just destroy theecosystem real quick.
I got a two by four around heresomewhere.
Anything's a hammer if you'rebrave enough, I guess anything's
a never mind dildo.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
Yep, anything's a dildo if you're brave enough.
But you said hammer, so yousaid it first.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
The mares, the mares of diomedes, flesh eating horses
.
Kyle is one of my favorites,like the idea of horses eating
people.
I don't know why.
It just fucking gets me allexcited because it's.
It's a horse like so he, hefeeds their owner to them,
essentially like.
That's pretty much it.
The horses eat human flesh,diomedes feeds them enemies,
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hercules feeds them diomedes.
This is like the cycle ofviolence when you realize oh, I
fucked up this thing, that I'veraised it out to fuck me up like
like shit what are we doing I?
Speaker 3 (49:06):
don't know, feed it someone.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
Yeah, okay, this is the one that gets me like pissed
at Hercules, because he bringsmy boy, atlas, into it.
So we just the apples ofHesperides.
Hercules was tasked withretrieving three golden apples
from the garden of Hesperides, aplace at the far western edge
of the known world.
What's so good?
These apples are very much alot like the Garden of Eden
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apples, apples of knowledge,apples of whatever Infertility
close to gods.
You get the apples, you get thetruth.
Whatever the fuck he's goingafter these apples?
Right, they're guarded byHesperides, the nymph daughters
of Atlas and a hundred-headeddragon which is sick as fuck.
That's fucking cool.
Okay, hercules gets Atlas to goget the apples for him and some
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of the tellings of the myths,and then tricks him into picking
up the world again.
He's like no, I'll hold thisfor a second, like a classic Tom
Sawyer, right?
He's like no, you go do mychore for me.
I'll do your chore for you.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
He doesn't do his chore.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
For him, though, he leaves a fucking hanging atlas
doesn't have it bad enough, getsfucked over by himbo hercules
on this mission for godhood, bro, don't worry I totally got this
man.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
You got this man.
Look, you've been holding theshit up.
I got you, bro, like check thisout.
Look at this, boom, I'm holdingthis whole ass thing up.
Go get it.
You've been holding this bigass earth.
Go pick me up tiny, three,teeny tiny ones.
I got you, chief.
He comes back and he's justlike snacking on like one of the
legs he took from like thehorse.
Oh yo, here's your earth.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
Thanks for the apples boy peace, yeah, yeah, no,
fucking kidding pisses me off.
So, hercules, not emotionallyavailable, right?
He's reckless.
He solves emotional problems bylike, let's just say he murders
emotional problems.
He's loyal, but only if you'reon his side, and he's really not
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built for nuance.
He shows what happens whenstrength is valued over healing,
when a man is built to endureinstead of feel.
I didn't go over every singlelittle chore he had to endure to
get straight, karma-wise, butyou get the point.
Instead of owning what he did,he made a whole Olympic sport
out of his redemption arc.
We gobbled it up like piggieswhen they put it to music and
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made a cartoon out of it.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
Hold on a second.
Hold on a second.
Don't you dare, don't yougoddamn dare.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
He's literally like the embodiment of burnout, If
you think about it he does allthe labors, yeah.
He does them all More, get addedCause they're like no, like you
didn't, you didn't learnanything, like you just cheated.
Here's more.
So, even after like he doesn'tstop getting punished, even in
death.
He's turned into a god andmarried off to heave the goddess
of youth, like he's allowed tofinally rest.
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But I just want to be like he.
Just he had this air about himlike I'm being cosmically
punished.
None of the bad things that Ido are my fault, and that shtick
is the reason why he never feltlike he was done.
It's why it felt endless,because he was just
externalizing all of theinternal shit and making it
everybody else's problem.
Hercules, try therapy.
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He didn't learn anything here,but maybe we can kyle.
You still like hercules, orhave I done a good job of
sucking the fun out of him?
Speaker 3 (52:16):
no, I still love that fucking movie.
But hercules I've knownhercules has sucked, especially
the kevin sorbo one that can goall the way to fucking hell, all
the way to Tartarus, to thelowest levels of hell Either way
, you know, hercules has alwayssucked.
It's one of those things whereit's like you almost.
Yeah, I've made this argument acouple of times before.
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Oddly enough, I give him like49% 49 blame.
51 definitely goes to zeus andharrah.
Yeah, just like I feel likesmiegel gets like 49 the blame
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and like the ring gets the 51because it's just like he was
just out fishing with his buddyand the ring was just like yo
kill that motherfucker.
And he was like precious, solike it's kind of like that.
Like hercules was just kind ofyeah, he was probably a dick,
but like his dad sucked, so like, so it's just like.
Speaker 2 (53:23):
God, help us all when Zeus starts feeling paternal
all of a sudden.
We all pay for it, exactly.
Speaker 3 (53:28):
Exactly Like.
Also like he's not exactlyfather of the year or father of
ever, and the hair is like.
You know what?
I'm sick and tired of it.
It was like I've had enough.
Like Samuel Jackson said, I'vehad enough of these
motherfucking dummy gods in thismotherfucking area.
Speaker 2 (53:45):
Because he just can't keep it in his goddamn toga, um
just start eating each other.
I think there's exactly thesefuckers to deal with, exactly so
I'm gonna make this one exactlyI'm gonna make this one eat his
and go insane.
Speaker 3 (53:53):
I'm just gonna punish him.
But, like I said, he was gassedup, so his parents fucked him
up so he didn't learn how tocope with all that other kind of
shit.
But right is that never-endingstory when he just kind of kept
he just kept that toxic behavior.
He didn't learn anything, hejust kind of kept feeding into
it.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
He didn't look to be the victim.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
He just kept doing it .
It's rewarded for it.
That's what's so shitty.
Medusa's a monster, butHercules is a hero, yeah.
Speaker 3 (54:22):
Yeah, there's not a whole lot of happy in Greek
mythology Actual Greek mythology, Not a whole lot of happy.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
I didn't realize I was all Greek until I was done.
And I'm like man, these are allGreek motherfuckers.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
It's like I mean, I was bat a thousand on Norse, so
why not?
Hell yeah Do you have any more?
I did have a Greek one, but Ithink it's just I don't know if
I can.
I don't know if I can handle it.
I don't know if I can take anymore of it.
Speaker 2 (54:47):
Well, if you don't, I can always give you the new
myth that you've never heardbefore.
Nobody's ever heard it before.
It's a new myth.
Speaker 3 (54:54):
I will super duper readers digest Um Echo and
Narcissus.
Narcissus sucks.
He was forced to fall in lovewith himself because he was a
douchebag to echo classic.
Speaker 1 (55:05):
Yeah, yes, exactly so .
Speaker 3 (55:06):
Like it's just like that's just the never-ending
story of greek mythology is afucking giga chad who treats
someone absolutely horrible.
Speaker 2 (55:15):
The only thing that I say echo hold on your amazon,
echo, is telling you about greenmythology now it is, it
absolutely is on the podcast sobad she can't stand it she does,
because I forget whatever, itdoesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (55:34):
Um, at least um narcissus is actually punished
and even though he doesn't likerealize it, he does kind of get
it in the end.
Spoiler alert he dies um, butyeah, it's a very good story
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it's where narcissism comes fromright, like that whole story is
um, I'm gonna be, I'm gonna domy absolute best to be so nice,
but um, fucking duh, like youknow, like yeah really the guy
narcissist who was in love withthe guy narcissist, narcissist.
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When he fell in love withhimself, I thought he was the
greatest thing ever.
Speaker 2 (56:20):
That's where we get narcissism from because you'd
think like his parents wouldn'thave named him that if that were
the case before.
Speaker 3 (56:27):
Exactly so.
That's why it was invented, andthat's why the E word that I'm
not going to say right now wasinvented because she was
punished, because apparently shewas a freaking smoke show.
And like the other nymphs didn'tlike that.
So mama nymph I forget whichone it was she cursed her
because she had this beautifulvoice and she was just the total
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embodiment of perfection.
She was the only other,apparently the only other entity
that was more fair than her wasAphrodite, so like damn Anyhow.
So her mom was uber pissedabout that and said that she
can't speak anymore.
She can only repeat the lastlike up to like the last three
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words, that like she heard umfrom and then from that.
She's just kind of out throughthe woods one day as narcissus
is just kind of gallivantingthrough the woods.
He's just a dick at this point.
He's not like a complete andtotal dick, he's just like kind
of he's a chode at this point.
Right, loves himself.
Exactly, he's interested inhimself.
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I want to say he's, you know,he's just kind of talking.
They've gone on a couple ofdates.
He's like first base withhimself.
Maybe second pants right like Isaid, he's not a, he's not a
huge dick, he's like a chode,he's like average right now,
either way, um.
And so she sees him and she'slike holy fuck, that dude's hot,
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but not really.
She just kind of says likewhatever, so like she stepped on
a twig, crack, crack, crack,crack.
That's all she says becauseit's all she could do either way
, um, and she kind of revealsherself to him like comes out
from, like hiding.
She was like falling into thewoods and shit like that.
And um, he's like dude, whatthe fuck.
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And she's like the fuck.
He's like why are you copyingme, copying you?
Like?
Speaker 2 (58:22):
that's kind of what the conversation is and he like
Me talking to my husband.
Who the fuck?
Speaker 1 (58:27):
What the?
Speaker 3 (58:30):
fuck, but like she actually startles him and all
she can do is just repeat whathe says.
So he's completely turned offby this and he was like bitch,
you ugly, I don't want nothingto do with you.
So breaks her heart and shegoes, she, she.
I always kind of see ithappening almost like an ancient
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greek way of like prom night,when, like the boyfriend is just
like I just did you as a dare,and she just like goes running
into the bathroom crying it'skind of like that she goes
running into this cave.
So she's just crying, cries andweeping, and weeping and weeping
into this cave and at least theoriginal story that I was told
was that as she's in there, andthen, lo and behold our good
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buddy narcissist, narcissism,narcissist, whatever the
dickhead what are you stillcrying?
no, it's.
She's like all in this cave andlike it's super dark in there
and he doesn't know what thehell's going on.
And so he was talking withsomeone, or just kind of talking
, and she's just repeating backto him.
So he's like what the fuck isthis?
And like it spooks him,literally spooks him Like oh, my
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God, something's in here, whatthe hell is it?
And like they're going like thehunter.
So she literally just like diesof sadness in the cave, in the
cave, oh, and so, um god, it'skilling me right now.
But another I think it's gaia,I think I heard of this and was
like yo, you're the fuckingworst.
So she curses him to make somefallen love with himself and
(59:58):
it's like he's walking by a lakeand he literally falls in love
with himself at a lake and he,he's just like, staring and
talking, literally totallygassing himself up how beautiful
he is and oh, my goodness, andthe other thing.
And he was like, oh, I have togo, but no, don't leave me.
Literally to himself at hisreflection, and he does it so
much, he just he dies.
(01:00:18):
He's literally there forever,like he doesn't drink, he
doesn't eat, he doesn't drink,he doesn't eat, he doesn't do
anything, he does not leave, hedies at that spot.
So it's kind of great like it'skind of sad, but it's kind of
great like that's a very loosetelling of like there's a
billion other stories of how itgoes.
That's probably much moreromanticized or not romanticized
all of these.
Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
there's like a million ways to tell them, but
the the core thing is narcissistwas a narcissist and Echo was a
poor girl and you know what hedies in the end.
Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
Exactly, that's what it does.
Exactly, so new myth Go.
Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
New myth.
Okay, I don't even want to tellyou the name of it, like it's a
whole new myth.
I just want you to hear it andI want you to know that I'm
excited about this, that I'mexcited about this a whole new
myth.
I had a helper they're gonnaremain unnamed.
That'll give you all of thehints you need.
Once upon a time, in a worldspun from music and mayhem, a
(01:01:15):
few wandering souls crossedpaths on a live stream.
There were no voices at first,only words, only energy, only
the undeniable hum of somethingwaking up.
Angie and Brooke were theguardians of the space, the
steady hands keeping the currentflowing.
And then, through the chaoticglow of the chat Becca, arrived
a voice not yet heard but deeplyfelt.
There was no ceremony, no grandannouncement, just a moment
(01:01:39):
that clicked, as if the starsabove, exhausted from being
subtle, threw them all togetherand said here, find each other,
it's time.
They bonded over the music,over the musician whose voice
wove them together, and didn'ttake long before laughter
erupted.
Inside jokes were born andmemes were forged in the fires
of unhinged creativity.
They became leaders, theybecame sisters and when the old
(01:02:03):
world fell away, they carry eachother into a new one without
looking back.
And then, from another corner ofthe cosmos, came Kyle, angie's
brother, in arms, shaped bybattles no one would ever see at
first glance, in his armor ofkindness, his blade of loyalty,
and his royal companion, aservice dog with a crown
invisible to all but those whoknow.
(01:02:24):
Companion, a service dog withthe crown, invisible to all but
those who know.
Kyle didn't arrive withtrumpets or fanfare, he just fit
like he had always been therewaiting.
They became four witches andwarriors, chaos makers bound not
by blood but by choice, acrossmiles, across every invisible
line the world thought it couldput.
Between them, they built atemple of laughter, mystery and
love, a podcast born not toplease anyone but to keep the
(01:02:45):
fire alive inside themselves.
Every Monday, without fail,they meet, not in a palace or
studio, but in a digitalclubhouse that feels more real
than half the cities on thisearth.
They tell stories of monsters,mysteries and madness, and
sometimes, when the laughterdies down and the echoes settle,
you can hear it the heartbeatof something sacred.
(01:03:06):
The myth of the Black CurtainClub isn't just a story about a
podcast.
It's about how the universestill remembers, how to shove
the right people together.
It's about family, the kind youbuild yourself.
It's about never forgetting themoment.
You found each other.
You found home.
That's it.
How do you like it?
Do you like it Sweet huh?
Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
Man shut the fuck up.
Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Don't cry, man.
Shut the fuck up, dude.
What are you doing?
Do you like it?
Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
I do, I do very, very much oh man, you're part of the
myth now.
Uh-oh.
Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Yeah, Aw.
Well, see now that I was sweetto you, I could be really mean
to you at the outro if I wantedto be able to balance it back
out.
Would that make you feel better?
Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
Oh my God.
Yeah, because that's absolutelybeen our topic of the entire
night.
Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Hell yeah, all right.
Well, kyle, you didn't fuckeverything up.
We are wrapping at a decenttime and there's still a little
mead left at the bottom of mytankard, so why don't we give
this episode a proper Vikingfuneral and let it all go down
in flames?
This has been the MythicallyMorbid episode of the Black
Curtain Club podcast.
If you enjoyed this one, giveus a like, a comment, and
(01:04:16):
subscribe to the Black CurtainClub wherever you get your
podcast fix.
If there's an episode you wantto see us tackle, drop a comment
down below and I will send Kyleto go see what the hell you're
talking about.
Every Monday from now untilRagnarok, we'll be releasing a
new episode After Ragnarok.
Mondays will now be calledKyle's Day because he sucks like
Mondays.
(01:04:36):
Nothing else will change.
That is all.
Bye, bye.
Say bye Kyle, bye Kyle.
Say bye kyle, bye kyle hellyeah, I'll see you next time.
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