Grab the Headboard: A Journey through ACOTAR

Step into the enchanting yet dangerous world of Prythian as we explore Sarah J. Maas's beloved fantasy series, A Court of Thorns and Roses. What begins as a seemingly familiar Beauty and the Beast retelling quickly transforms into a dark, sensual journey through a realm where magic, politics, and ancient beings collide in unexpected ways.

Our special guest Laura Henthorne joins hosts Becca, Kyle, and Angi to dissect what makes this series so captivating—from the complex evolution of relationships to the monsters lurking in the shadows of each Court. We dive deep into how the author subverts familiar fantasy tropes and creates characters who grapple with trauma, power, and healing in profoundly human ways.

Whether you're a dedicated ACOTAR fan looking to relive your favorite moments or curious about what makes this series so special, this episode offers both heartfelt appreciation and thoughtful analysis of a fantasy world that continues to capture readers' imaginations long after the last page.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, I'm going to skip to this one.
Any character you low-key wishhad died.
I seriously wish somebody hadjust snapped Elaine's neck, like
somewhere, early on so we don'thave to carry her through the
rest of the fucking series.
Elaine, why don't you grow somefucking vegetables in your
flower garden?
How about that?
Why don't you help out thefamily a little bit?

Speaker 2 (00:18):
You, grandpa, joe-ass , motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Elaine is pretty like .
I mean truthfully, she'suseless.

Speaker 4 (00:38):
Before we begin today's episode, we would like
to share a quick disclaimer.
The views, opinions andstatements expressed by the
hosts and guests on this podcastare their own personal views
and are provided in their owncapacity.
All content is editorial,opinion-based and intended for
entertainment purposes only.

(00:59):
Listener discretion is advised.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Hello, darlings, and welcome back to the Black
Curtain Club podcast.
It's your favorite manic menace, Becca, and this week's episode
is going to tell you to grabthe headboard before it sweeps
you off your feet to fly youover the fantasy city of
Starlight herself.
This week, I'm joined byspecial guest Laura Henthorne
and my two favorite co-hosts,Kyle and Angie.

(01:24):
How are you guys doing today?

Speaker 4 (01:26):
Wonderful.
Can't wait to hear about thisbook.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
I'm doing great.
Super excited to be here.
Thanks for having me?

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yeah, before we get started, do you want to just
tell us a little bit aboutyourself?

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah, so hi everyone, I'm Laura.
Actually, this is my firstpodcast ever, so I'm really
excited to be here.
I am a book lover, so much sothat I started a whole Instagram
account to share my love ofbooks, so I guess you would
consider me a bookstagrammer,and I basically share all of my

(01:56):
obsessions, one of those beingthe ACOTAR series and the world
of Sarah Jameis, so I'm reallyexcited to be here and talk
about this with you guys andBecca, angie and Kyle.
So, yeah, thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
I'm so freaking lately, like I love them so much
.
Today we are talking about thebook series A Court of Thorns
and Roses by author Sarah J Maasand, like I said, we have a
predicament here.
You and I have read these books, laura, but Kyle and Angela
here are a couple of unculturedswines.
I had to hire a stranger totalk about this with me.

(02:30):
I want to make them feel alittle bit left out right off
the bat.
So let's start with the deepend.
Which court do you belong toand which one is your book
boyfriend?

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Oh, my gosh, I'm so excited to answer this question.
Okay, so I am the night courtthrough and through.
Yes, give me the mountains,give me the stars, give me the
strength, the found family, theart.
I love it all.
The Night Court feels like home.
My book boyfriend would beCassian.
No competition there.
I think as you read the books,you kind of go through this

(03:01):
journey of falling in love withdifferent characters.
Books, you kind of go throughthis journey of falling in love
with different characters.
But Cassian is a little rougharound the edges but has the
biggest heart, a ton of patience, so I know he could deal with
me.
He's strong, loyal, funny.
So I'm a slow burn girly andCassian delivers the slow burn.
So that's my court and that'smy book boyfriend.

(03:23):
What about you?

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Becca Okay, I'm definitely.
I have to go with Night Courttoo, just because I'm a little
night owl.
Valaris City of Starlight.
I mean like why would you wantto live anywhere else?
They have canned soup here.
You guys don't understand.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
Oh no, oh no, not the broccoli cheddar soup.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Oh God, we're starting off.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
We're starting off there if I'm gonna be in the
freaking night court, I'm gonnahave resand shadow daddy.
Are you kidding me?
He is the number one in theentire series.
I think resand is.
Oh god, oh, I love it.
I gave you guys just like alittle cheat sheet to give you
like faces to put with names.

(04:05):
Did you guys have a chance totake a look at that?

Speaker 3 (04:07):
I did.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yes, yes, okay.
So we have a few of the bignames here.
You guys see the names of thecourts, that kind of is what
they are Kind of like, whichregion controls what, and you
have a couple of faces.
I want to know who you guysthink off the bat your core and
who your book boyfriend would be, or girlfriend kyle, if you see

(04:29):
a lady here that you likebetter angie, you go first oh, I
put you on the spot I think mycourt would be and this is no
pun intended but dawn, because Ilike the mountains and the sun.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
Book, boyfriend, just based on what you gave me, how
do you say it?
Ray Sand Ray Sawn.
Ray Sand Ray Sand.
Yeah, it's the, it's yes.
I don't know what color hiseyes are but you know it's that
that, dark haired, light eyes,they are like purple, aren't
they?

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Oh my God, okay, violet eyes, violet eyed man.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
That's it.
That's all you had to say.
Yeah, so I guess him Perfect.
Do we just get one or do wehave to pick?

Speaker 2 (05:19):
one for me.
Oh Jesus, no, you don't knowthese books.
I would never make you pick one.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Not in Perithian, will never make you pick one Not
in Perithian.
I would make you pick one inThrone of Glass.
Just to be mean, kyle, whatabout you?
What do you see here?
What calls to you?

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Oof, I feel I have absolute zero skin in this game,
but I've always worked in thenight.
Very, very well.
Sounds like there's mountains,so why not with that?
Yeah, so we'll go with whatjust was the uh, the night court

(05:55):
.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
There you go, go with them okay, um, I'm an equal
opportunities lover, so like.
Because everyone throws me abone, why?
Not, I feel like you and asrielwould have a lot to talk about,
I think I also just kind ofpicked that one because I have a
very good friend of mine.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Shout out to vix on that one.
She's obsessed with these booksas well.
She knows that I'm a cosplayerand I put up a poll on my social
medias for everyone to vote forwho they would like me to see,
and she put out the characterCassian, and then like 90 people
just voted yes, yes, yes, yes,yes.
I was like I literally don'tknow what this is.

(06:24):
So I thought she wanted to meeta dude from Narnia and I was
just like what are you talkingabout?
And she was like she's like youhave no idea how far off you are
.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
Yes, he's attractive, but you have no clue.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
So now, probably like November, time is probably when
I will be dressed up as him forlike a 30 second ha ha on the
internet.
I'm so excited, we're going towe're going to tag this episode
whenever you do it.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
So circle back before you knew Cassian and then you
wore his skin.
I will say the quote I said atthe beginning grab the headboard
.
That is a hundred percent aCassian quote.
Just to give you a littlesomething to nibble on before we
get too deep into this.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Is that what he said?

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Excellent courts by the way.
Yeah, that's a Cassian quote.
Kyle, Grab the headboard.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Gotcha Noted.
I got to take notes on thisbecause I need to remotely know
what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
later, oh yeah, this is going to help you so much.
You're going gonna get to knowthese people I don't see this is
a good thing briefest ofsynopsis, I'm gonna do my best
to kind of describe the bones ofthis behemoth book.
One is a court of thorns androses and the story is told from
the perspective of a human girl, phara.
Yes, the fairy novel is about agirl named Feyre.

(07:42):
Get your giggles out.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Her human name is that?
Get the fuck out of here.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yeah, it's her human name Feyre.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
I guess it is better than like Brittany or Jessica,
because that's just going totake you right out, that's just
going to break the magic.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Okay, we love Feyre.
Don't shame her.
If you have read or you've seenBeauty and the beast, you know
this story already.
To an extent we have a fewdifferences, though there is a
wall.
Fey live on one side, humanslive on the other.
Um, when I say fey, I'm nottalking like tinkerbell.

(08:14):
I want you to picture the feyin this book like the elves of
middle earth, because that isgoing to be what you hold on to
the most.
They are very much apexpredators, very lethal.
The humans are terrified ofthese fuckers.
Okay, like they are dreadingthe day the Fae decide to tear
down the wall and basicallystorm the village like Vikings,
because they all have magic.
Humans don't Keep that in mind.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
So Threndio with wings got it.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
Exactly.
Not all of them have wings,though We'll touch on that.
So Fae live on one side, humanslive on the other and in a very
Katniss Everdeen move, feyrekills a giant wolf while she's
out hunting and a few days laterBeast kicks down the door of
her daddy's house and tells herthat wolf was Fae and she is big

(08:58):
time fucked.
From there we go to Perithian,the Fae realm, and the story
kicks off.
Like there is a whole lot tothis story, I don't know how
deep we want to go.
I don't know how much we wantto spoil for people balls, I
will say.
What essentially happens is thisfey monster, this beast that
breaks down the door, tells herthat she has to come and live

(09:21):
with him over the wall.
It's very much a forcedproximity.
That's how we start this novel.
So she goes basically fromliving in poverty in this little
hovel on the human side of thewall in like the most brutal
winter she can remember.
She is 19, by the way, she endsup in the spring court and the
monster who came and got herfrom her daddy's home, he turns

(09:45):
into a blonde man with a goldmask.
So she sees that all of thehuman presenting fey around her
are also wearing masks.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
It's like a thing with this area that she is in
everybody is wearing a mask yeahthat is something everybody
forgets, so you can't really seehis full face, but you know
that he's a good-looking man youjust and yeah, and farah is
pissed.
She does not want to be there.

(10:15):
She's the sole provider for herfamily, so she's the one that
goes out and hunts.
She's the one that gets theirfood uh, she sells the hide of
the animals, and that for money,so that her family can survive.
And she's now stuck with thisman who she views as a beast.
Essentially right, heshapeshifts and I think, yeah,

(10:38):
of course you know what happens.
They force proximity.
One thing leads to another.
Stockholm.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Syndrome.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Yeah, yeah, forced proximity, one thing leads to
another.
And Stockholm syndrome?
Yeah, yeah, she starts to.
She starts to figure out thatshe likes the man, but she's,
you know, she's curious and shewanders and she gets herself
into trouble and he saves her,of course.
Are you shitting me?

Speaker 2 (10:58):
yeah, she said beauty and the beast.
Yeah, yeah, gets in trouble thewolves, he saves her.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Come on, yeah, and it like gets deeper into the story
.
So like you think book one isreally good until you read book
two.
Book one starts off and it'slike beauty and the beast and
then it just shifts and you'relike holy shirt balls.
What is happening?
And everything changes, whichyou know, you know, if you know,

(11:26):
you know if you're listening tothis, and you know you know
she's going under the mountainto try to save humanity and
everybody that she knows andloves and she has to fight all
these beasts and she's just thishuman person.
It's just crazy.
It gets wild and you're like itstarted off slow and now there's
all this action.
Then you meet Rhysand and itbecomes this whole other thing

(11:47):
where you have this evil manshe's trying to save Tamlin, and
it just becomes this big weband you think you know what's
going to happen, but you don'tand you're hooked by that point.
She goes under the mountain,shit gets wild and now you're
like, well, I have to keepreading because everything just
changed.
She's a badass bitch.
I just rambled for 15 minutesabout the book.

(12:08):
You are our people.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
One of us the war of the land party.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
Not all understand, but those who do, they're
welcome here.
I want to talk about thecharacters that ruined us in
this book for a second.
I want to know, Laura, who didyou fall for first and who did
you end up loving at the end ofthis series?

Speaker 3 (12:27):
If I'm not honest, then I don't think that I'm
being truthful to the experiencethat is this book.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
So I need you to say what you're gonna say, right now
.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
So, of course, in A Court of Thorns and Roses, you
just fall in love with Tamlin.
That was the person I fell inlove with at first and then
quickly realized, like actuallyno, not at all.
And then you transition right.
Like I said, I ended up lovingCassian, male-wise, and then,
where my heart ended up with thefemale main character is I am a

(12:59):
nester ride or die.
Oh, thank you so much.
I love her.
I know we will talk aboutredemption.
I really ended up loving Reese,obviously.
Then I really loved Cassie, butNesta is my girl.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
I'm in the same boat entirely.
I think it is something in ourbrains chemically.
If you have been scorned, or ifyou know what fight or flight
feels like in your body when youread A Court of been scorned,
or if you, if you know whatfight or flight feels like in
your body when you read a courtof thorns and roses, you're
gonna meet tamlin and he's gonnasweep you off your fucking feet
, his little fiddle playing.
It's not gonna seem cringy thefirst time you read a court of

(13:36):
thorns and roses.
Okay, it's the rite of passage.
Everybody falls for tamlinbecause he makes her feel safe.
He takes her from starving inthe woods to this beautiful
mansion where there's flowersgrowing everywhere.
She doesn't have to huntanymore, she can enjoy the woods
right.
He gets her painting again.
Everybody loves Tamlin.
I loved Tamlin.
I am guilty of loving Tamlin.

(13:58):
But in the second book, whenFeyre and Rhysand are talking
and she says to him I'm worried.
I came out here and fell inlove with the first person who
was kind to me.
I felt that in my fucking bones.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
Sarah, do you have a?

Speaker 1 (14:13):
few comments.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
I just love how you started this bit with hey.
If you've ever been throughtrauma, you fall in love with
this guy.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Yeah, 100%, 100%, 100%, because he is like
ultimate himbo protector.
But he also seems deceptivelysoft in the beginning.
But you can.
If you reread the book as manytimes as I am I'm talking 11
times here you see all of theselittle threads that the author

(14:43):
left in the first book.
The second time you read itwhen blinders are off, and
you're like seeing therelationship with Tamlin.
You're like why did I?
Why?

Speaker 2 (14:53):
So John Stamos got it .

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
Unreal.
Yes, it's fiction, but Sarah JMoss has like this way of
weaving in the human experiencein a way that's like hard to
replicate.
Truthfully, the problem withtamlin is the control, and he's
not about partnership.
I think he likes because she'sweak and because he can sort of
dominate her, or so he thinksand when she starts to need

(15:22):
freedom and agency more thanprotection, he really starts to
like collapse within himself,Like he can't handle that.
So there's a lot of control andmanipulation, I think, and you
start to see that and it cantrigger you if you've ever been
in this situation Like you getthe ick real quick, which I feel
like that's a spoiler.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Listen, these books have been out since pre-Panny,
right yeah, if you have not readAkatar.
Yeah, no, she is about to putout her seventh or eighth book
next year.
Get on the bandwagon.
If you're clicking on this thatsays Akatar and you're scared
of spoilers, just pause it, muteit, whatever.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Okay, there's nowhere else totalk about these books.

(16:02):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Okay, there's nowhere else totalk about these books.
Anyways, laura, I was reading ACourt of Mist and Fury like
just to kind of prep.
I've been reading a little bitof all of the books and I am
reading the part in thebeginning of A Court of Mist and
Fury when Feyre is.
You know, she's not sleeping,she's not eating, she's getting
sick in the middle of the nightbecause of these panic attacks
she's having.
She's having like PTSD fromunder the mountain the middle of

(16:24):
the night because of thesepanic attacks she's having.
She's having like ptsd fromunder the mountain.
And it goes into how tamlinreacts whenever he has bad
dreams.
And something that I found sointeresting was the way favor
would say she could tell thattamlin woke up when she was sick
because she could hear hisbreathing change, but he would
stay still until she came backto bed.
So he would hear her in thenight like crying, throwing up

(16:45):
in the bathroom because she's sodistraught and then she's like
going back to bed, knowing thisguy was awake the whole time.
He let me go through that bymyself.
And on the other side of that,when tamlin's having his dreams,
his go-to response isn't tolike get sick or anything like
that.
He literally just gets up inpatrols and make sure that
nobody is coming to get Feyre.
That is all he's doing.

(17:05):
He's not making sure she's goodbecause, like the dreams he's
having, like obviously she's,you know, getting got under the
mountain, he's having thesedreams too.
He's not trying to really likemake sure she's safe, he's just
making sure nobody else can gether.
That is his entire goal and theentire beginning of a court of
mist and fury.
And it goal and the entirebeginning of a court of mist and

(17:26):
fury.
And it's almost like you getwhiplash going from a court of
thorns and roses into mist andfury and all of a sudden, tamlin
, prince charming, you're likewait, hold on a second buddy,
come on, please don't do this tome, not again yeah, prince
charming and disney to princecharming and shrek got it.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
Yeah, it's like what happens after the happily ever
after I mean, really, if youeven go back to Under the
Mountain, right, she went underthe mountain to try to save the
entire kingdom, but also to saveTamlin.
There's an evil queen, right Ofcourse, there's someone evil
and Tamlin gets taken under themountain.
He's quote, unquote prisoner,right, and this is the same

(18:02):
queen that cursed them all.
And so she goes under themountain.
She's a human and he doesnothing.
He literally just stands by andwatches her get essentially
tortured and have and she has togo through all of these
challenges to not die.
And he just stands by and andjust pretty much slow, blinks

(18:22):
and like, does absolutely diddlysquat.
Meanwhile, rhysand, like he'sthe bad guy, right, like that's
what Feyre's been told.
Feyre's been told that theNight Court is evil Rhysand, all
he does is torture people.
So when Feyre meets Rhysand forthe first time, she's like I
want nothing to do with you,you're bad.

(18:43):
But really, the whole timeerisa is trying to protect feyra
and keep her safe and he'smaking himself look like the bad
guy to protect her because, oh.
And then it's like oh, it getsso good, guys, it gets so good,
so good, oh god.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Because he knew her the whole time.
He knew her the whole time.
Oh, he knew her the whole time.
The guy too big, he knows he'sPsychic Mind Towers fairy boy.
He's the High Lord of NightCourt.
The High Lords are like thealphas in that region and it's

(19:21):
usually familial.
And so Rhysand is High Lord ofNight Court.
He has bat wings in that region, right, and it's usually like
familial.
And so risanda's high lord ofnight court he has bat wings and
his like illyrian form.
Nobody knows about this untilbook two, but you can just
imagine his bat wings if youwant.
It makes me very happy toimagine his bat wings.
You go under the mountain.
You see tamlin again.
You're like, oh, thank god,it's tamlin, she sees tamlin, we
can get this started.

(19:42):
The challenges are so fuckingcool.
You guys will.
You guys would be obsessed.
The first one is did they startwith the Middengard worm?
Is that what they bust out thegate with?
It's the fucking worm, laura.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
I thought that that was the first one.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yeah, yeah because then she gets hurt.
Picture the Alaskan bull wormfrom spongebob she's like down
in this, like muddy pit fightinglike a grab boy, that's even
worse like human hunty skills.
She determines that the worm isblind she can kind of see.

(20:20):
It's like a maze, like a dirtmaze, that she is down below and
all of the fey are up abovewatching her fight this fucking
monster.
She discovers it's like a maze,like a dirt maze, that she is
down below and all of the feyare up above watching her fight
this fucking monster.
She discovers it's blind andshe ends up like setting a trap
with some like bones from it'slike it's layer in the middle of
the maze, like she literally islike, oh, this is an arm bone,
this is leg, but this is perfect.
And she goes to like the cornersof the maze and she starts like

(20:41):
hammering these bones in andshe literally like sets a trap
for this giant worm, like all ofus fey are watching this human
with no magic, and all she doesis literally like, oh, this is
what I have, these are, theseare the things I need.
Let me just macgyver a littlehome alone trap for a worm and
it's so fucking dope, so dope,it is so good, it's so good.

(21:02):
Afterward, I'm pretty sure sheflips re-stand off, does she not
?
Yeah, yeah, she like slings oneof the bones at the queen and
it splashes in the mud and likegets her dress all dirty, like
it was like a hundred percent,like instead of if, instead of
katniss ever deemed doing thelittle three finger salute, if
she just like double flipped offpresident, snow, no, are you

(21:26):
kidding?

Speaker 2 (21:27):
me, I think the badass in the first, in the
first one, when they're notpaying attention, she takes the
arrow and she like, shoots thething, like off the guy's fork,
like yeah, that's badass.
Oh the apple it was the applethrough the pig's mouth.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yeah, yeah yeah very much.
That is like the energy thatfarrah is bringing into this
first book.
In the first book, cause she isvery much like human, going
into the world of magic andhaving to use, like what she
learned growing up in the woodsbeing the provider for her Okay,
being the provider for herfamily at the age of 19,.

(21:59):
When she has an older sister, afather who is okay Her father is
handicapped and then a uselesssister, elaine, oh my god this
bitch, wait, wait, wait, wait,wait wait, wait, wait her sister
has a normal name and she hasfucking what we have feyra, we
have nesta and we have elaine,and that goes into um, okay, I'm

(22:23):
gonna skip to this one.
Any character you low-key wishhad died.
I seriously wish somebody hadjust snapped elaine's neck, like
somewhere early on, so we don'thave to carry her through the
rest of the fucking series.
Elaine, why don't you grow somefucking vegetables in your
flower garden?
How about that?
Why don't you help out thefamily a little bit?

Speaker 3 (22:41):
you, grandpa joe, ass motherfucker elaine is pretty,
like I mean truthfully she'suseless, like I'm sorry, she
just is, and like out of thethree sisters, nesta gets like
the most shit and farah's likethe hero and elaine's just like
nothing, like she's just like oh, I just want to bake and garden

(23:02):
, which is like great.
But come on, you could havedone something, elaine.
You could have done literallyanything.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
She's a human living in this cabin.
Right.
She's growing flowers becauseshe thinks they're pretty.
Everybody else is taking careof where the food comes from and
where the money is coming from.
Elaine doesn't have to worryabout that, because she is
pretty.
Everyone talks about how prettyElaine is.
She becomes Faye, and that'swhen she decides to take up
cooking as a hobby.
Like bitch, you have literalmagic and now you're going to

(23:31):
start helping out around thehouse, when we literally have
two little shadow babes who areperfectly willing to do that
themselves, like thank you, no,thank you.
God damn, why did we have todrag her to parithia?

Speaker 4 (23:44):
right, tell me how you really feel about elaine I
mean she.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
She redeems herself a little in a court of wings of
ruin.
She does a little.
I mean not for me, she kills.
She kills the man, the man, theone, she helps.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
She finally gets her hands dirty.
Guys.
It's book three, yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yeah, finally, after everyone's traumatized and
everything's gone to shit, shelike steps up kind of and does
something good.
But yeah, the sisters it's sofunny because I talked about the
human experience and like thesisters all experience the same
upbringing and they all treattheir trauma like completely

(24:31):
different.
And it's again reflective oflike if you have siblings in a
house, they can go through thesame exact things and they'll be
completely different people anddeal with their shit like
totally different ways.
You just kind of see yourself ina character Hopefully you're
not elaine, who like doesnothing the whole time, but like
if you are sending you so muchlove, hopefully, don't fucking

(24:51):
talk to me, wait, I have a quickquestion.

Speaker 4 (24:56):
So so, farah nesta and el Elaine are sisters.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
In the pictures do Nesta and Elaine have pointy
ears and Feyre does not.
Does Nesta?

Speaker 1 (25:09):
turn into a-.
That is an interestingobservation.
That is very interesting thatyou would pick that out.

Speaker 4 (25:14):
And also, Cassian does not have pointy ears.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Angie, you need to read these books, babe.
You've got a detective's mind.
Okay, cassian is what we callan Illyrian.
This is a race.
He's technically fae, he's nothigh fae.
So Illyrians are like a warriorrace in the mountains of Night
Court and they are where theBatwings come from.
Technically, rhysand is like alittle mutt.

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He is half high fae, halfIllyrian, and that's why he has
bat wings too.
So resand, cassian and asrielare considered the bat boys.
And then so the thing about thearcher on sisters fey, renesta
and elaine.
They all start the series ashuman.
This is spoiler territory.

(26:00):
Somewhere along the way theyall three end up fey, all three
of them.
And of course it's like veryclassic, like they're all these
immortal men in in parithian,and finally three human women
have become fey and of course,like they find their perfect
mates and stuff like that, youknow.
So on, so forth.
It's like very, it's very deusex machina, if you want to say,

(26:23):
like it's very convenient, plotwise.
But they all at one point endup being fey.
But they are made, which makesthem different.
Everyone else who was born fey.
It's like genetics, but theyhad to be turned fey.
So they are like.
They're like pretty much godsin parithian now, if the rest of
Perithian hasn't caught up yet.

(26:44):
There are a few who know whatthe Arsharon sisters are capable
of, but it is a lot of fuckingshit.
Like we're talking aboutunwriting time and like mastery
over death, shit like that.
Like they are in directcommunication with the old gods.
Nobody even worships anymore,but they don't even know that
yet because they haven't readThrone of Glass like I have.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Eleven times.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Spoiler I've not.
I've not read it either.
I've not read throne of glasseither.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Yeah, it's so good, laura, it's so I know, I know, I
know I will, I uh, yeah I willget there.
The reading order isintimidating yeah, it's like a
whole rabbit hole of why Istarted it and like didn't
continue it.
I'm going to finish it.
I've finished Crescent City.
I'm going to oh my.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
Hold on, don't you dare, glaze, you read Crescent
City before you read Throne ofGlass.
Yes, oh my gosh, you psychopath.
What the hell.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, because how dare you commit such an atrocity
?

Speaker 3 (27:48):
I was motivated.
I was motivated by the thirdbook coming out last year.
I had the, the motivation.
I jumped right from Akatarright into Crescent City and I
was like I'm skipping the uh,the behemoth series that is
Throne of Glass.
But now everyone's like Throneof Glass will ruin you.

(28:08):
You need to read it.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
I'm like I know I know, the best series I've ever
read in my entire life.
So for context, for angie andkyle, if you want to think about
them as all on the sametimeline, throne of glass is
like 50 000 years in the past.
Parithian is as close topresent day as they get, but
it's still very much likerenaissance style.

(28:30):
There are some like signs oflike I said.
There's canned, canned soup andlike electricity and Starlight.
Like they're.
They're coming out of the darkages in Perithian.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Right and then Crescent.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
City is literally futuristic, like if you go from
reading the ACOTAR series toCrescent City, one of the first
chapters.
She's like Bryce opened up herlaptop and it like literally
gave me whiplash, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
That's, that's, that's an experience.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Out of body experience.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's, that's an experience.
Experience, yeah, it's like hercell phone.
I'm like wait what they'recalling?
They're calling each other,yeah they're not talking to
their minds futuristic increscent city.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
It's very cool all right.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
So I don't.
I don't want to mess up yourorder here on how you're telling
this story, but I have aquestion.
Yes, so on the on the bottomrow of the pictures that you
sent us, I need to know why.
Why does every single person onthis bottom row look like they
have like a stick planted firmlyup their ass?

Speaker 2 (29:31):
fun fact, they all do .

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Okay, bottom row.
Okay.
So we are looking at.

Speaker 4 (29:38):
You got Highburn, bonecarver, bonecarver is sick.
Yeah, they all look so intense.
This guy with the white hair?

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Oh, collius yeah.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
Yeah, I mean, they all look like they're just like
is the bottom right corner.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Is that really just a fucking cauldron?

Speaker 1 (30:02):
yeah, yeah, it's like yeah, the cauldron is, it is.
There's a very beautifultapestry in the spring court
that shows like the hands offate throwing in all the
ingredients and like spillingthis cauldron over the land and
from that Perithian sprouts upand spoiler alert the cauldron
is a very real thing and comesinto play in like books three on

(30:26):
ish, because that is how two ofthe sisters kind of become Faye
.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Gotcha yeah the cauldron is.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
It's a very, it's a sentient thing.
By the way, it's not just likea pot that they used, it's like
it's very special.
Oh, I thought it was just likewhere they make their canned
soup.
Yeah, you get a mate.
You get a mate.
I love it.
I'm telling you like whenOutlander came out, everybody

(30:55):
was traveling to Scotland to gotouch the rocks to see if it
would take them.
I feel like there are so manybitches on BookTok that would
leap into that culture.
Oh shit, you touched onsomething really good here.
Angie, everybody on this bottomrow here, they are kind of
intense characters.
Gwyneth and Emery are not.
They're kind of the outliers.
And these are three of myfavorites In the first row,

(31:18):
Surreal.
In the second row, the Weaverand in the bottom row, the
Bonecarver.
These are like.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Sounds fucking metal.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Intelligent monsters that we come across in this land
.
So it starts with the Surreal.
It's very much a Fey favoriteis bored at the spring court in
book one and she's like tryingto get answers and she knows
that there are fey out therethat will like answer your
questions.
So she starts like being sneakywith lucy and the courier and
she's like you know, if I wereto like look for one of these

(31:50):
fey that answer all yourquestions, what would I do?
And he's like okay, so here'swhat you do.
You get a chicken, you get, yougo into the woods, you set a
snare and you wait for it tocome along for the chicken.
And so she, she does all thesethings.
She goes out, sets her snare,she has the chicken.
And this fucking surreal, thisgoddamn horrid thing my favorite
character in the entire series,by the way, it is.

(32:10):
Oh my gosh.
It reminds me of the guy inEndgame that has the Death Stone
.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Red Skull.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
The Soul Stone Close.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
He's very much like he wears robes.
He's got a very gaunt face, heis very deadly but for some
reason he lets Feyre trap himand he answers all of her
questions.
Because, suriel, guys, youdon't know this.
Nobody in parithia knows this,except for we learn this.
When barry learns this, thesurreal is in it for the plot

(32:43):
and he is so down to help favorwith her missions.
Like anytime she calls theserial, he's like coming and
there's.
There's like a whole encounter.
After the first time she meetsthe serial where she gets chased
by these things called Naga andit's like this whole thing.
They're crashing through thetrees, the Suriel's still
trapped in the snare and he'slike Bitch, please don't leave

(33:03):
me.
They're coming.
And so she's like, okay, if Ilet this thing go and it just
rips my throat out, I'm gonna beso pissed.
But she's like Okay, okay, okay.
So she unties the little guyand he just like poofs off into
nothingness and she has to likeescape the naga.
This is one of her like firsthead-to-head fights with the
monsters in the fey and it'slike it's real scary.
Tamlin comes to save her.

(33:24):
It's very much the scene withbell and the wolves from beauty
and the beast.
Like he comes and she's like,oh my gosh, I must tend to your
wounds, like you've saved me.
And it's like very cute.
She talks to the housekeeperlater like elise.
Nobody gives elise any creditand elise is like you know, if
you had just gotten a new cloakand went out there, that thing
would have been eating out ofyour hands.

(33:44):
You didn't have to kill aperfectly good chicken.
But yeah, and there's just somany like really good monsters
in this.
The weaver in the wood isanother one.
She comes in the second bookand she's literally like this
eyeless, she looks badass hairedwoman.
Yeah, she's sick and like okay,resend, sends her, sends feyra

(34:08):
into her cabin to get somethingfor him to see if she can like
track something that belongs tohim.
She's trying to like prove whatkind of power she has.
So he's like, yeah, just go inthere.
Like try not to touch anything,that isn't what you're coming
for.
Um, don't let her see you.
And he's just like all right,get on gone so she's absolutely
gonna touch everything oh, it'sso like hansel and gretel,
creepy.

(34:29):
And it's like she approachesthis cabin in the woods and she
hears this woman singing a songabout like two sisters one
sister like drowns, the otherone in the river, like it's
fucking horrid.
She hears they're like singingthis little like lullaby.
That's fucked up.
And she's spinning something ona loom and farah just like
comes into the cabin.

(34:50):
She's being like super quiet.
She's like creeping around andshe finds what she's looking for
and that's when the fuckingweaver like turns around.
She's like, oh my God, thisbitch is eyeless.
She is like clawed and she islike crawling around like a
spider.
So she's like in this cabin,like trying to get out.
I think the doorknob on thedoor disappears so she has to

(35:12):
scramble out through the chimneyand the whole time Rhysand is
like in the woods and he canhear all this going down.
He's just like leaning upagainst the tree checking his
cuticles.
Doesn't give a fuck.
She's in here fighting for herlife, climbing through a chimney
and when she was, oh, shethrows bricks down at the weaver
because she's like crawling uplike a spider and she's like
throwing bricks trying to getout of the chimney.

(35:34):
And when she busts out of thechimney she realizes the roof is
made of hair.
That horrified me looking hair.
Yeah, she like flies throughthe trees looking for resand
like bumps into him and he'slike what did you do to her?
Like you can hear this bitchscreaming in her house.
She's been eating bricks for 10minutes.
It's so good.
I love the monsters in thesebooks.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
It's so good they all come back later, though, to
like they all have their momentwhere they're like scary and
like and you know, you, you hatethem and you're like, okay,
they're, you know, they're likereally bad.
And then they all come backlater to kind of rally and and
help.
So it's like the this like fullcircle moment where okay, yeah,

(36:16):
like you were fighting for yourlife against this creature and
then this creature is actuallygoing to come and help save the
day, because we need all of thepower right.
So they have like all of theirlittle redemptions.
Like did I cry when the serialsaid to Thera that like you were
the only one who was ever kindto me, like everyone else was a

(36:38):
source of fear to me and youwere the only one that I hadn't
feared in a long, long while,and I'm like he was just a
creature.
I needed love.
You know, like you feel bad forthese creatures who were like
used for their magic and likenot respected and they're like
they aren't kind to them.
So, anyways, it's like like youfeel bad for them honestly.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
At least I do reading this book if you don't pay
attention.
There's like this whole subplotthat the high fey essentially
brought order to parithian.
Parithian was like veryelemental and raw when the high
fey like came and like tamedeverything.
They separated everything intocourts to keep the land stable
and they put all of the bigscaries either up in the prison

(37:20):
or in this place called is itcalled?
The middle?
Yeah, in book two they'relooking for information and they
say like we have to go to theprison to see the bone carver
and it's this like huge ordealto like go to the prison.
It's basically like alcatraz atthe very tippy, tippy tip of
the night court and it's likeenchanted.
It's very hard to get into.

(37:41):
Resand brings favor there andthey go down into the depths.
It's literally like it's like abig mountain but it's like
hollowed out.
They love hollowing outmountains in this bitch, if
you're gonna read this series,they love hollowing out a
mountain and making shit out ofit.
So the prison hollow earth babyand in the depths of the prison
is the bone carver.

(38:02):
All of the cells are made outof bones, bones that this thing
carved and he like made whoa.

Speaker 4 (38:10):
How did they come up with his?

Speaker 1 (38:11):
name yeah right, he's actually from throne of glass,
but I will.
If we ever do a throne of glassepisode, I will tell you about
this.
This is an Easter egg.
I found, anyway, the bonecarver is very much a powerful
being who is in prison becausehe chooses to be, and he makes
that very clear.
He says I don't want to be outthere.
I know what is out therewaiting and I am biding my time

(38:33):
in here.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
He very much is choosing to be here.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
Yeah, 100%.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Charlie Manson.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
And he's very much like okay, we want to talk about
Silence of the Lambs.
It's like Clarice coming in totalk to Hannibal Lecter and get
advice about this crazy shithappening in Perithian.
She's like so, bone carver,tell me this.
And he's super into her becauseshe has died and come back to
life.
It's sick, dude.
It is so sick he did, he carvedall the bones.

(39:00):
It's like the way he tells hisstories.
It's so cool.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
And also he appears as something different to each
person that looks at him, solike for.
Farah he appeared as one thing,but for Rhysand he appears as
something different, so youreally never know what he looks
like.
He appears to either the thingyou fear most or the thing that
you love most, so he can prettymuch manipulate you.
Whether it be like striking anemotional cord or like making

(39:26):
you fear him, he becomes.
Whatever that thing is.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Yeah, it'd be disturbing as hell.
I had a question about Okay,yes, oh no, so this, this cat
Att.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
Oh no, so this cat Ator.
Oh the Ator, he's more of abat-faced thing.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
It's not a cat.

Speaker 4 (39:44):
He looks like something that came from He-Man
and Skeletor.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Oh, it's her 100%.
It's like a giant man bat, notBatman.
He is not like Man-B man bat,he is very much like.
Yeah, it's, it's man.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
That's a character in batman is it really?
Yeah, there is.
There really is one called manbat.
I swear to god, oh my god okay,well, man bat.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Man bat is very much like the evil queen's little,
like minion, like her flyingmonkey that like goes around and
does things, but he switchessides when the evil queen gets
caught and he starts fightingfor the evil king instead.
But there's this very cinematicmoment where Feyre is fighting
this bat creature that I amfucking obsessed with.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
She literally like rides it out of the sky, beating
the fucking shit out of it,like it's so cool he he kind of
reminds me of fidget from the uhthe great mouse detective, like
tell me, like tell me thatlittle thing isn't going.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
He would hate the comparison, he thinks he's very
intimidating oh no, he's, he'sfidget.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
I'm sorry, he's got the little beret.
He's getting all right thesetools, uniforms.
I got the uniforms like that'shim.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
That's that guy right there, no questions yeah, so
kind of sorry we totally fuckedup your, your game plan oh babe,
this was like very loose onpurpose.
I didn't know how deep wewanted to go.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
I didn't know what kind of characters.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
We wanted exactly kyle.
That is what I'm saying rightnow.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Listen.
Everything.
Every line you just said iswhat she said.
I don't know how deep we wantedto go.
I don't know which characterswe wanted to be.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Everything she said, everything you should have a
podcast.
I think you'd be really good atpodcasts.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
I should be on one.
I should be on one.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
But I left this very open on purpose.
I just kind of outlined this soI would not lose my place and I
just wanted to touch on, likehow powerful it is to find
someone who shares your exactflavor of fictional obsession.
Like, laura and I have nevermet, but we have read this

(41:45):
series.
That is the only thing we havein common.
You'd think we'd known eachother for years and I was
curious what other series youguys think has that kind of
power to like pull together acommunity Pretty much any
fantasy because it is so magical, it is so whimsical, because
there's always.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
In every fantasy you've ever read.
You can relate to what theworld is and what you wish the
world was like, whether it'slike an economical standpoint,
political standpoint, justmonsters and beasts and just
personal interactions.
So I feel fantasy is the mostrelatable and breathtaking
experience that you can have,because it is the perfect
hermaphrodite of reality andwhat you wish it was yeah, my

(42:28):
degree.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
I think the fourth wing series definitely had the
power to connect people.
Um, though newer, um, like Iwent to the book release for
Onyx Storm and just like theamount of people of different
walks of life that come togetherto like celebrate the release
of a book is just wild.
And you know, we're all sodifferent.

(42:50):
Like I was looking around atthat book release and like we're
all so different.
And yet here we are, we'reobsessed, right, and it's the,
and we're obsessed, right, andit's the same thing with, like
Akatar, same thing with Throneof Glass, crescent City.
All of these books just havethe power to like connect people
who would never otherwise,probably ever talk.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Yeah, I've also heard a lot of similarities to the
Witcher the Witcher with it.
So what really made me think ofit was like we said, with like
the beasts and how they werekind of like almost like a lot
of them were like misunderstood,like.
I think that's one of myfavorite things about the
witcher books is that there's alot of that just misunderstood
give the person a chance kind ofoverarching tone.

(43:26):
Not everything is just as blackand white as it seems.
There is that gray area, yeahand um, so like a lot of the.
That's what makes gerald sodifferently, because, yes, he's
the best monster hunter thatthere is, but he also knows that
the bigger monsters are men andnot the actual monsters like
these are just creatures tryingto live, so not all of them have
to die about 80 to 90 percentof them do, but not all of them.

(43:49):
So same thing.
So I think that's another onethat really kind of brings.
I feel like it's one of thosereally big morals that people
have or wish that they had, andI feel that that's another
series that really can peoplewho have read it.
You don't have to read.
If you've watched the show,played the games or read the
books any of them, you're goingto notice that pattern and I

(44:12):
think everyone can kind ofrelate to that we're like you're
going to notice that patternand I think everyone can kind of
relate to that.
We're like they've you knowsomething that people hate and
despise and they see repulsive.
You know somebody else findsyou know cute and cuddly and
adorable or they like, orwhatever.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
Yeah, yeah, I think the other, the only other book
series that I can think of, thatit's probably more of an
obvious um are the harry potterbooks.
But again, fantasy land youknow it's that absolutely has a
huge community, um, but againit's it's that you have your

(44:53):
favorite characters.
You see yourself in one of thehouses, you see your friends, in
certain people or your familyyou can relate to being an
outcast or being the hero orwhatever.
So, yeah, I think it's a greatthing about fantasy books in in

(45:17):
the worlds that they build.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
yeah, I mean I I loved harry potter when I was
like a kid and I think along theway of becoming an adult I kind
of lost, like I, I read, youknow, tw Twilight.
I was a huge Twilight fan.
Take me to Forks Washington anyday, but I think I lost that in

(45:42):
my 20s like the magic right.
I think as you get older, likesociety tells you to like stop,
not intentionally, like no one'sever said like, oh, you can't
do that, but you know.
But you go through school oryou get a job and then you just
become boring.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
You get distracted with reality.
And then a little bit later,and then something like this
book comes along and you're like, oh shit, wait, I like this
stuff.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
Yeah, you get the imagination back and I think
that it does allow you toconnect with other people who
have the same interests.
Like I talk about that all thetime, like on Bookstagram.
Like having a Bookstagram hasallowed me to connect with so
many people who have read thesame books and like that's all
we have in common and that's allthat we need to have in common.

(46:27):
Like Becca was just saying,like we don't really know
anything else about each other,but now we have this in common.
We can talk about it all dayand it's.
It's really cool to connectwith people simply because we
read a book.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
It's like go back and listen to some of our other
episodes.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
You learn a lot about Becca.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Once might say too much.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
Just just one soup, just one just one particular
soup and hers was like broccolicheddar.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
Yeah, that's one of my favorite things I ever
learned about her, because itpaints such an image every time
it's at least every otherepisode I bring it up, at least
every other episode.
It's at least every otherepisode I bring it up.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
At least every other episode.
It is one of the mostfascinating factoids about Becca
.
Any gravy is a breakfast gravyfor Bravenor.
Anyhow, yes.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
What kind?

Speaker 1 (47:27):
of gravy.
Do you think the Fae's wouldeat?
They would eat like kings Dude?

Speaker 4 (47:35):
Yeah, they do, they have all the gravies Like like
which kings?

Speaker 2 (47:38):
I've seen theoden eat .
I've seen denethor eat.
I've seen oh, like, uh, it'svery much like harry potter
style it seems like food justkind of comes out of nowhere.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
But when we get to the night court we see like
there are like people thatactually, like you know, they
cook and stuff like that andthey like bring all the food out
.
And the reason I keep bringingup it definitely sounds like the
night course, the shit thereason I keep bringing up canned
soup is because it's such anoutlier part in the second book
because, like, farah and reesandhave a little argument okay,

(48:11):
and I am hoping that I don't getcut out, but they have a little
argument.
Farah goes up to a cabin tospend some time by herself and
she's like looking through thecabinets and she's finding
things like cans of paint andthings like that.
And then when Rhysand shows uplater she makes him a can of
soup, not to spoil anything foryou.
But that was what took me outof it for a minute.
It broke the immersion because Ihad like a little Kyle moment

(48:33):
where I'm'm like is there ameans of production?
Like who delivers the cannedsoup?
Like is there a warehousesomewhere where there somebody
has to like make soup?
It goes down a line they'regonna put it in a can.
They're gonna make sure it endsup on this cabin at the top of
this fucking mountain infairyland.
Like where did this soup comefrom?

Speaker 3 (48:50):
everyone else is like I just want you to know I yeah,
I never once thought of that.
Like ever, I'm just like herefor the vibes I like her.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
I like her.
She just very professionally,very hr email approved, was just
like yeah, becky, you're alone.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
You're fucking psycho for that one, the scene with
the soup.
The soup is really not a bigdeal at all because it's like
such a romantic scene, likearguably one of the most
romantic scenes in history, andI'm looking at you, the notebook
, like you cannot.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
You cannot compare to rissan in the cabin um but yeah
, it's like a very intense Idon't know going out on that
little very sweet.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
She's like making him a can of soup and I'm like,
okay, hold on bitch, why is thesoup in a can?

Speaker 2 (49:37):
There you go.
It's called broccoli cheddar.
It's called broccoli cheddar.
Here it's room temp.
Here's some busted tortillachips.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
We don't have electricity, but we have canned
soup, we have stoves, but youknow it's just I dig myself into
these holes.
I really do Exactly.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Welcome to my world.
I just do it all the time.
Also, how dare you?
I had a Kyle moment and I had abrilliant thought that broke
the yeah, screw you.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Screw you.
Hey, I didn't say youroverthinking is always a bad
thing, I'm just saying as soonas I read Can can of soup, it
was like something activated inmy brain and I was just like
kyle for a moment.
And this was months before Iknew you.
It was like I took on yourpersonality without even knowing
you.
I'm like where the fuck didthis kind of come from?
Hold on hold, on hold on thepaint on the walls is very nice,
but uh, the the soup favorite Ihave questions since I'm

(50:31):
talking about the cabin, I wantwant to tell Angie and Kyle
about this, and this is like100% the community
getting involved and making ascene seem like something
different than it was when youread it originally.
So Feyre and Rhysand have thisfight and she gets dropped off
at his family cabin up in themountains and she's just going
to fuck off by herself for alittle bit.
And one thing she decides to dowhile she's there Feyre, she's

(50:55):
a painter, right, we hear abouther painting a lot in the books
and while she's in this cabinshe literally starts painting
like floor, walls and ceilingwith like all kinds of random
shit.
We're talking like clusters offlowers, like she's saying.
She's like painting pictures ofher new friends that she's made
, like pictures of their eyes onthe wall All of these things

(51:15):
she's painting all over thetable.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
That's psychosis.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
And somebody on TikTok said Of course, people
show up and they're like, oh mygosh, feyre, you're so artistic,
you're part of the family, it'slike you've been here all along
.
They're like thank you so muchfor fucking up this antique home
we have.
But somebody on tiktok and I'llnever forget this they were
like we never really hear iffair is a good painter or a bad

(51:42):
painter.
We just hear she is a painter.
So every time I read this sceneI'm picturing stick people and
like lopsided flowers, likefucked up crossed eyes on the
macaroni art that is just.
It makes me so happy to thinkabout them like coming up after
she's had this like psychoticbreak in the cabin and they're
like, oh fuck, farah's gone,fucking crazy.

(52:04):
Okay, everybody just smile yeahwe're so glad you're here,
farah.
Yeah, but you are adjustingwell.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Thank you, babe yeah, this is you did great.
So the more and more you talkabout her, the more and more she
sounds a lot like cheryl fromarcher, just unhinged just
completely unhinged.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
She is honestly like.
She kind of is cheryl, she very, she very much like, like, so
the war comes right.
All these high fae, they'vebeen fighting for generations,
hundreds of years.
We're all immortal.
We've all fought wars beforeFaerun comes to this war and
she's like oh, I can't learn howto fly in time and I can't

(52:44):
really do a whole lot of combattraining.
I can do some, but not enough.
Let me just round up all of theeldritch fucking monsters in
Parithian and make like amonster battle, like it is so
fucking dope, like she isunhinged.
A monster bash one would sayyeah, a monster mash like a
death.
It's like a death match.
It really is.
It's so cool.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
She gave them all groovy bears.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
She gave them all groovy bears before.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
Before we wrap this up, I want to know, angie and
Kyle, would you read this series?

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Absolutely not.
I'll wait for the show and orthe movie.
It's just reading, and that'snothing personal.
I'm wildly interested, I reallydo.
This definitely sounds likesomething I would a million
percent be into and enjoy.
I just reading is just.
I don't have come on goldenretrievers, we just don't read.
Yeah, we just don't do it.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
What about you, Angie ?

Speaker 2 (53:45):
I'm for it, though, like someone put out like videos
doing like deep diveexplanations of these Dude.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
I know everything and I listen to every second of it
and we're're gonna start meetingup in vc once a week and I'm
just gonna do like, okay, todaywe're gonna go over book three
of proverbs, literally just readit to me what we'll meet daily.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
You can just read chapters to me.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
I would read it to you if you wanted me to.
I would read you a chapter aday.
I love this book.
It's no skin off my back.
I get to read this book outloud.
Fuck yeah, what about you,angie?
Would you read these books?
I?

Speaker 4 (54:17):
think so.
I probably would do an audiobook for something like this.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
There are very good audio books.
I will say if you like voices,there are some very good audio
books.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Oh, I can imagine, I can imagine I mean I subscribe
to Quinn?

Speaker 4 (54:33):
Yes, I like voices.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
They did that thing like a theatrical reading where,
like they put a little extra,yeah, the dramatized versions,
yeah, the dramatized versions.
They put a little extra zhuzhinto them.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
Oh, that's the Like yes, yes, that it's an
experience I would be so intothat.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would youhave to.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Let me, let me know the second you start reading
them, cause I want to be therefor like every chapter with you,
like, what did you think aboutthis?
What do you think about thisperson?
Oh, just tell me everything,angie.
I want to know.
I would, I would be stoked ifyou guys started reading this.
Is there any ACOTAR little headcannons, anything you've got up
in your brain that you're dyingto get out?

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Well, I just want to shout out to my and I can
officially say this now myfuture sister-in-law, my
brother's fiancee, just happened, like within the last week,
that they were engaged and theybecame engaged, so I could say
that like officially now, but Ijust, yeah, congrats to brandon
and sydney.
But if it weren't for sid, Iwould never have picked up this
series.
And you know, like I got arandom text that was like, hey,

(55:39):
you usually read romance, right,would you be open to this type
of book?
And I'm like, if you read itand liked it, I'll just, I'll
trust you.
So they live in Florida.
She mailed me the first bookand, yeah, if it weren't for her
, I would have probably neverpicked up the series.
And that's what like led me tothe journey of, like you know,
starting a bookstagram, becauseI finished this series that went

(56:01):
into Crescent City and then Ijust like never, like I've
always read, but it, this series, is what really like sparked my
adult life love in a wholedifferent way.
So just shout out to her, um,and that's the power of sharing
a book.
So if you're listening to thisand you have a favorite book,
gift it to someone, because youmight just change their life.
And the last thing I want totalk about and I'm going back to

(56:26):
Nesta, and I just want to saythis in a public forum that I
think as a society, we have tostop treating female characters
differently than male maincharacters.
And I say that because we alladore morally gray men in books
and we love them.
We fantasize, we put on ourrose-colored glasses and say

(56:49):
that's why the flags are red.
The flags are red.
And then when we have morally Iwould say gray female
characters, we oftentimes hatethem without being able to see
their arcs, and I see that a lotwith female main characters.
But I think as a society we needto give more grace for women in
books and if we want, I wouldsay, emotionally driven, complex

(57:15):
female characters, we have tobe open to them.
And there's so much Nesta hateand if you're a Nesta hater, I
totally get it.
If you're listening to this andyou're like I hate her, I
totally understand.
She's a complicated character,but female main characters need
to have complex feelings andemotions as well.
And I'm going to show all ofthe the complex female
characters love because, yes,you know they need it.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Oh, no, a hundred percent.
Yes, a hundred percent.
Oh my gosh yes, nesta getsnothing but love you definitely
have more of the great women toknow that, like we almost bow
our heads and pray for nesta,like this girl can do no wrong.
In my eyes she's very much likethe messy messy side of trauma,
where it's you bring ineverybody around you, you make

(58:00):
every single person around youfeel the way you're feeling on
the inside, and she pullsherself out of that literally by
her fingernails.
And if anybody wants to at herin my presence, I'm gonna at you
and you won't like the way I doit like she's so, yeah, such
good character.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Fantastic, I'm so glad that you love her as much
as I do sounds like I'm in lovedude, you'd love nesta.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
You guys would be nesta lovers.
You would never have a momentwhere you're like nesta is
annoying.
You would understand her.
You would see where she wascoming from.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
I have no doubt about that well, no, laura definitely
told me she was like oh,there's all these morally gray
men that we all love.
How about these morally grayladies?
Wait a minute.
There's ladies like this I'mvery intrigued.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
I'm very intrigued we just call them toxic you know,
like.
That's just all it is.
Yeah, you just call them toxic.
There's one more thing.
If we can, if you guys will,let me just say one more thing
about this series I want to talkabout.
There's this one of the trialsunder the mountain.
Her buddy, lucien, gets capturedand like put in this saw trap

(59:01):
where all she has to do is reada riddle and pick an answer.
But we learned that early on inthe book.
Feyre was never taught to read,nope.
So like Lucien looks her in theeye and he sees her like
looking at the riddle and Iswear to god he knows like in
that moment this bitch cannotread.
Like the blades are loweringfrom the ceiling and she's

(59:22):
looking at it and doing it likea math problem, like it's, it's
some weird like riddle aboutlove and there's the answers are
like one, two, three.
I don't exactly remember theriddle at this point.
Maybe I'm illiterate too, butshe's doing this like word
problem in her head where she'slike well, one plus one is two,
me and tamil are two, maybe theanswer is two or maybe the
answer could be one, and she'slike literally like trying to

(59:45):
figure out.
She's playing with lucien'slife because she literally
cannot read, and this is likewhen rissan like whispers the
answer in her ear.
He's like bitch, it's two,please just pick two.
This is painful to watch.
It's so good.
I love it so much.
I love this series.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
Yeah, it was like something about.
It was something about likeit's something that people spend
their life searching for, butit like kills you slowly or
something like that.
Like when I kill, I kill.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
I just remember, like when I kill like a sloth and
the answer was love, and likeshe couldn't figure it out like
it was because she couldn'tfucking read.
She couldn't fucking read, ohmy god.
And then she in the second bookspoiler alert she writes a
break like ruse and make.
He's like you're not going tobe in the night court and not
know how to read.
It's a bad look for me.
So ruse and makes fair, learnhow to read while she's there.
And she ends up breaking up withTamlin through a letter and

(01:00:40):
this part is glazed over in thebooks.
But he obviously does not takethis well and I don't think a
lot of people realize, like fromTamlin's point of view, like
the last he knows his bride tobe kidnapped, taken away from
him.
All of a sudden she's sendinghim like a perfectly legible
letter like by the way, youdisrespectful piece of shit, I
would like to break up with you.
Like like there's no fuckingway he would believe that in

(01:01:01):
real life.
I don't, I don't believe for asecond he would have believed
that and they should haveconsidered that.
They really should have thoughtabout what it would look like
if all of a sudden hisilliterate bride is writing him
breakup letters.
No wonder he went off thefucking rail like god yeah, they
play mind games with tamlin.
They really do.
They get him all worked up andthey're like wow, look, how

(01:01:22):
crazy he is but like.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
What's even funnier is when she's learning how to
read, resam writes these like,writes for her like, right, like
and like makes her read it.
This is so respect.
He's like um, the high lord isthe most handsome high lord.
Like, the high lord is the mostcaring high lord.
Like.
He's like writing things thatshe has to read that are just
boosting him up.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
It's like very much bart simpson of the simpsons
theme song writing on thechalkboard she has to write out
the words of affirmation forresand yeah, this guy definitely
sounds like.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
He sounds like the kind of people who stands in a
mirror with like no shirt on andhe just puts a scoop of ice
cream on his chest just to watchit melt yeah, I could do that
actually I hope I'm reincarnatedas that scoop of ice cream who
has the biggest wingspan of themall is like the true question
asriel has the biggest wingspan.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
We just don't know who Asriel's going to end up
with.
And there's like this wholelove triangle thing happening,
because when you become maid,like you have a mate right.
And so there's Lucien.
He's maided to Elaine butElaine is like no, sir, not
today, not having having it, Idon't like you.

(01:02:35):
And then she's like kind ofattracted to asriel and asriel
is attracted to her, but she'smade it to this other person and
like sarah j maas has neverreally said if there's like a
solid, if there, if there can bemore than one mate, and so
we're all just kind of waitingto see who elaine is going to be
with I just I wanted to tellyou, if you read Throne of Glass
, you will learn that a matingbond can be fake.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
You see that, I know, see.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
I don't know Becca.
I don't know, becca, if you'reonto this as well, but people in
the fandom are like they'reshipping Tamlin and Elaine.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
They are fully I do too, like finally, elaine can do
literally nothing.
Okay, let's start the podcastover, let's do two of these
bitches.
I'm telling you it's so perfect.
And there's this, okay, comingfrom the historian herself, in a
court of mist and fury, nowings and wings and ruin, the

(01:03:36):
beginning of wings and ruin.
When Feyre comes back and shetalks to Elaine for the first
time since she's been turned andElaine and Lucien have their
interaction, she says to LucienI can hear your heart beating
through the stone.
Can you hear mine?
And he's like I don't know whatthe fuck you're talking about.
Through the stone, can you hearmine?
And he's like I don't know whatthe fuck you're talking about.

(01:03:57):
In akatar, in book one, welearn tamlin's heart is made of
stone.
No shit, I forgot that.
You're welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
I know his story, I'm telling you oh my god when I
tell you, like, go back and readit every chapter has highlights
and like notes and books more,like in the margins.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
I this is my manifesto.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
Okay, I know everything this is why we need
to be friends I'm like I cantell you how it made me feel I
can't tell you one freaking factabout that book.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
I'm like wait what I know the big things and I have
sources and shit like it wastelling you I I listen to wind
us down here.
I found this series postpartum,like I'm talking, I had a baby.
I was staying up all throughthe night.
I had nothing to keep mecompany except these fucking
books and it, like you said, itbrought back my love of reading

(01:04:49):
as an adult.
I got so swept away like I readthe first book I.
It was like 3 am when Ifinished reading book one I went
on to Apple Books.
I had a hard copy of A Court ofThorns and Roses.
I went on to Apple Books and Ipaid for Mist and Fury because I
didn't want to wait for Walmartto open to go and buy it.
And then I read all of Mist andFury.

(01:05:09):
I finished it by 1 am.
The next day.
I had to buy Wings and Ruin inthe middle of the night because
I'm not going to wait forWalmart to open to go and buy it
.
This is how it went, and as Ifinished them I would start over
and reread.
And then somebody was like oh,there's Throne of Glass and
Crescent City and my fate wassealed.
I mean God.
But seriously, I'm so stokedthat I got to talk about this

(01:05:33):
series with somebody who lovesit as much as I do.
I'm so glad that Angie broughtme a new friend to play with,
laura.
Thank you so so much for beinghere today.
Before we really really winddown, is there anything else
that you would like to plug foryour personal channel before we
ride this bitch out into thesunset?

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
if you love books and you get obsessed with them as
well, come find me.
My handle's at lalareadsit andI share a lot about romance.
I'm a big, I'm a romance girlyto my core, but I also love
romantasy.
So if there's a happily everafter, I'm there.
And so, yeah, come find me andcome yap about all the books

(01:06:18):
that you're reading and maybewe'll find our new obsession
together.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
Find her or I will find you.
I swear you have to go andcheck out my new friend or I'm
going to be very displeased.
Listeners listeners, listeners,listeners.
You've been listening, but Ineed you guys to step it up a
little bit.
We need more weirdos in thecomments telling us how weird we
are.
We need ratings, we need viewsand shares, and you're the only

(01:06:42):
ones I trust to get it done.
Every single Monday, we'redropping savory sounds for your
ear holes to digest.
Every week, I'm finding new andcreative ways to tantalize and
torture my friends, and we wantyou to be a part of it.
Join the collective.
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One of us One of us, one of us,one of us, one of us.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
One of them.
One of them.

Speaker 4 (01:07:09):
Oh, Laura, you're one of us now.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
I am one of you now.
Thanks for having me, guys.

Speaker 4 (01:07:19):
All right, are we ready to say bye all right,
everybody say bye, bye, bye, bye, bye.
Kyle, are you gonna say bye, Idid?

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
say bye.
I said bye kyle, screw you.
Fucking bye kyle.
Are you gonna say bye?
I did say bye.
I said bye kyle, screw youfucking bye kyle 2.0.