September 8, 2025 • 34 mins
"Listen or skip. Make your choice." That iconic line perfectly captures the spirit of our deep dive into the Saw franchise with special guest Loren, who shares our unexpected love for these twisted tales of morality and survival.
What makes a low-budget horror film transcend its limitations to become a cultural phenomenon? The original Saw, shot in just 10 days for a mere $1 million, revolutionized horror by focusing on psychological terror and twisted moral dilemmas rather than simple slasher thrills. Together, we unpack how this scrappy independent film grew into a franchise that forever changed the landscape of horror cinema.
The conversation takes us through the most memorable (and stomach-turning) traps from across the franchise. From the iconic bathroom scene in the original to the needle pit, the pig carcass trap, and the mechanical rack, we dissect what makes these scenarios so haunting.
Whether you're a longtime fan of the franchise or curious about its cultural impact, this episode offers both nostalgic reminiscence and critical analysis of films that dared to ask: how far would you go to stay alive? Subscribe now and join our conversation about the movies that made us simultaneously cringe, think, and come back for more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello listeners.
We may not know you personally,but you know us kinda.
I want to play a game.
You spend countless hours dayafter day with the mundanes of
life no joy, no laughter, nopodcasts.
Before you is roughly 30 to 40minutes of three dumbasses
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talking about a beloved filmfranchise that had all the cards
stacked against it and yet wenton to become an absolute icon.
Listen or skip make your choice.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Before we begin today's episode, we would like
to share a quick disclaimer.
The views, opinions andstatements expressed by the
hosts and guests on this podcastare their own personal views
and are provided in their owncapacity.
All content is editorial,opinion-based and intended for
entertainment purposes only.
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Listener discretion is advised.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Welcome to another episode of the Black Carton Club
podcast.
That's what this is.
Anyhow, today I have the otherhostess with some of the mostess
but not like a cream-filledcupcake, angie and joining us
tonight is actually a near anddear, very special guest.
My dog, stela, is sitting nextto me, but that's not who we're
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talking about.
My beloved Lauren.
Ladies, how are you tonight?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Pretty good Lauren, I definitely want to welcome you
to the Black Curtain Club.
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I love how we pitched all sorts of other or at least
I pitched like other topics.
Maybe you'd want to talk aboutthis.
Maybe you want to talk aboutthat.
What does she wait for?
No, the saw movies.
You know nothing says bondinglike a loving couple, like I
can't even think of a funny jokehow to describe them.
Everyone knows the saw moviesand if you don't this, this
you're going to learn today.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Hell yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I'm assuming, because we've talked a little bit about
them in past episodes and youknow about these movies.
You've seen the movies, you'reready for them.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Oh yeah, love the movies.
Absolutely obsessed with them,yep.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Aren't you?
Just so I'll give a little bitof a tidbit of why I find it
kind of fitting that Lauren isjoining us tonight.
I don't know about all y'alls,but spooky season for me starts
September 1st Always starts thatso we'll decorate for Halloween
and it goes into full-blownoverdrive Spooky is the year
round, but it extra starts onSeptember 1st into full-blown
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overdrive spookies the yearround, but it extra starts on
september 1st.
We have a lovely traditionwhere we put on the saw movies
and we decorate.
So I guess that's just kind of.
It's just, it's perfect.
We know they're not the bestmovies, they're not the best
horror movies, but they hold avery special place in both of
our hearts.
Whether we have to cut them outor not, to, you know, get away
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in a minute or less, that'scompletely out of interpretation
.
But still, I've always alwaysloved these movies.
I remember when we were firstdating I kind of said something
about them or made like anobscure reference and she was
like, oh yeah, because of that Iwas just like wait a minute,
what?
So it was like the weird thingthat like she was like one of
the first weird things I reallyliked.
I knew she liked and I was likenice.
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So then it just kind of wentfrom there and it was kind of
great so before we get reallycheesy.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
I'm going to say something really cheesy.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Please.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
The couple, the couple who slays together stays
together.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
And with that, thanks for listening today.
Everyone, Make sure you checkus on all platforms.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
That was pretty good yeah before we get too into this
one.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Lauren, you care to tell angie and our listeners a
little bit about you, because Ithink I know a thing am a I
don't know mom of two and a dog,um, chef, chef by heart.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
And degree, college degree, um, and you know, just
trying to survive like we allare, like we all are, and the
Saw movies are, like my guiltypleasure movies.
So this is definitely a goodspot to be tonight.
But I feel like a lot of peopledon't really care about these
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movies because, at least thefirst few, because of, like you
know, like you said, they're notlike good, but they're good
like good.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
But they're good.
Hey, hey, you throw somerespect on that first one,
though.
You throw some respect on thefirst one, and with that that's
a perfect tie-in to starting thefirst one just off and running.
The first time I saw it, Iwatched it.
My older brother and I.
We went and we saw this in themovie theaters.
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He was just, I want to say hewas just old enough to sneak me
into R-rated movies.
It was the very first rated Rmovie I saw in the movie theater
and I was definitely way tooyoung to have seen it.
And we were hanging out at themall or something like that one,
and that's where the movie was.
And so he just like got theticket and just like snuck me
into the movie or whatever.
I remember just like watchingit because we saw the promos for
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it and we're just like what,the dudes are going to cut their
feet off.
Fuck, yeah, hey, that guy fromother than the movie who cares
Um?
And then we just, I just and tothe people who don't know, kind
of the synopsis of this movie,you got the guy from Princess
Bride and some other schmuck.
They wake up in this dirty-assbathroom, they find out that
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they're changed to the walls andthere's a dead guy in the
middle of the floor and thenjust throughout as the movie
develops, you learn so much morethat there's more connection
between the two of them and thelittle tape recorder.
And there's some psycho doingall this other kind of crazy
crap out there, making peopletorture and dismember themselves
just to teach them a lessonthat, hey, you know what life
could be so much worse.
Stop being such a piece of shit,which like you know we, we all
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have our moments where, you know, maybe we get a little big for
our britches, we think our lifeis the absolute worst because we
spilled our coffee or we'restuck in traffic.
Meanwhile, the main baddiethroughout these movies his wife
, had a miscarriage.
They had such difficulty tryingto conceive a child.
He's then later diagnosed withcancer.
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He tries to kill himself and hejust can't do it.
So in the meanwhile, people areout there thinking their lives
are so terrible because theirmom yelled at them.
So he goes a little crazy andhe starts teaching these people
a lesson.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
He's very against first world problems.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Good message.
Maybe the wrong way to go aboutit, but good message.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Great idea.
It just needs to work.
My man, he's got the right idea, he's got.
He's a little confused, youknow what I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Like needs better execution.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Oh pun intended a wholesome message wrapped in uh,
you know, blood and guts.
That's basically what thesemovies are rusty barbed wire
yeah, and rusty barbed wire,yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
But the first one, you just.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Also.
Wait, wait, go back just asecond.
I wouldn't just call it amiscarriage, though, to have him
go off the rails.
For the record, that's a prettytraumatic happening.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Fair enough, okay, yeah, all right, it wasn't just
a miscarriage.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
It was more like an attack.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah, it was a bit of a borderline attack.
All right, fine, that's in alater movie, kind of an accident
, I guess, but still.
Yeah, in one of the latermovies you find out that she
Actually his wife was opening up, I think it was a methadone
clinic right or like a.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah, a methadone clinic, right or?
Speaker 1 (08:02):
like a yeah, I'm sorry and I'm so, yeah, so she's
trying to better, because she'sa fucking sweetheart.
She's trying to do better theworld and help these people who
have these problems on and soforth.
And um, one night, as she'sclosing up, one of their
patients comes back in becauselike he left something and he
like kind of forces his way in,whether to rob them or whatever,
and like the the door handlejams into her.
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Yeah, either way, he goes alittle off the rail.
He goes a little off the rails,understandably so.
But I digress.
Snap back to the first one, theuh, just, you know as a as but a
wee lad watching the movie,you're just, you're just kind of
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taken back by the movie andexperience it because it's oh
yeah, there's, there's, there'sblood and there's.
It's a scary movie and there'speople you know and there's
danny glover running around likea psychopath also.
It's fantastic and you just youlike it for what it is at the
surface.
You don't really see too muchdeep into it.
I will say this one spoileralert the movie's been out
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forever but you haven't seen ityet.
Your own fucking problem.
I'll never forget.
If there's one specific thingabout this it's a core memory
for me and my brother, is thatat the whole movie you're trying
to figure out who the killer is, who Jigsaw is, who's doing
this, who's doing that, what's'sgoing on, and everything is
pointing towards this other guywho was the janitor at the
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hospital that he works at.
So you think it's that guy.
Like holy shit, it's the fuck.
Oh, my god, and it.
They played it out so well andthen that guy ends up dead.
You search, you go search inhis pockets.
He's got a tape recorder on him.
If you got a tape recorder onyou.
It means that you're anotherit's that you're another cog in
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the machine, you're anotherpiece in the jigsaw puzzle.
And when the big plot twist,the big crescendo of the movie
coming together, the ending whenthe dead guy in the middle of
the room stands up and revealsthat he's the fucking killer,
yeah, that no pun intended blewboth of our fucking minds.
I just remember me, my olderbrother.
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Our jaws were literally on thefloor like, oh, fucking, what,
like it was.
We loved the movie, like fromthe get-go, absolutely loved the
movie.
And then, you know, as years goon and I become more and more
like obsessed with movies andlike little fun, little tidbits,
something that made me love themovie even more was it was made
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with only like the first onewas made with only like a
million dollars yep which yeahyeah, that's insane only a
million dollars.
That's funny, but think abouteverything you have to pay for
for a fucking movie and that'swhat's all a part of the budget.
One million dollars and theymade a whole feature-length
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movie that was released intheaters.
That is considered insanely.
I think the average movie ismade with like $20 million.
Now, like an average low budget.
Just shit it.
You know, throw the shitagainst the wall, see what
sticks.
It's like $20 million.
Now An average low budget.
Just throw the shit against thewall, see what sticks.
It's like $20 million.
They made it with $1 millionand they filmed it in 10 days.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Yeah, I was going to say Danny Glover.
I read this.
He recorded all of his parts intwo days and he didn't have
time to rehearse.
He was that much of aprofessional.
Hats off to danny glover.
Amazing actor, two days, nevermissed, never messed up on a
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take.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I mean, that's, that's true talent, right there
yeah, just, oh, my god, like andjust, it's so much, I think
it's.
I'm pretty sure it still holdsthe record to this day that it
is not just horror movie but itis the most successful um, uh,
what's the like?
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Like the percentage of profitof what it took.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I think it still holds the record yeah, I think
it took a million to make.
It made like a hundred millionyeah, like it's.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
It just didn't run in the theaters alone, just the
theaters alone.
It made a hundred milliondollars.
That's not you know yeah youknow buying and this, that and
the other thing, all the othershit that comes along with it
all and this was supposed to belike a side project.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
it was supposed to be just like a little like a short
or something.
It wasn't even supposed to belike a side project.
It was supposed to be just likea little like a short or
something.
It wasn't even supposed to bewhat it was.
And then it just kind of tookoff, and I think we touched on
this before it totally changedthe horror genre for sure.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah, it gave something.
It brought some type of a newlife to it, if you will Like.
Yeah, there was your slasherflicks and your paranormal
flicks and all that kind of funstuff.
Just to kind of piggyback offof what Lauren said he's got the
right idea to teach people thelessons, just not necessarily
the best way you can and shouldteach the lessons you know.
So you want to talk aboutsomeone who is like on the line
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of he a good.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
No, he's not a good guy, like we know he's not a
good guy, he he has misplacedmorals.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
There you go, there you go I would say at the
beginning I wouldn't call him abad guy, but after the
continuation for so long maybeit kind of goes into yeah,
what's.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yeah, what's the thing?
Yeah, what's the thing.
The uh.
Only once shame on you.
Fool me twice.
We're not best friends anymore,or whatever it is yeah, I think
his downfall was, though, he letamanda run amok longer than he
should have exactly he becamevery I think that's when it was
when he started like creatingthe you know, the cult, if you
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would like, his cult and hisfollowers and the brainwashing.
That's where everything gotreally.
That's where he loses anycredibility in any type of a
defense that he's doing it forthe greater good, because now
he's just like he can't keepthese people in check.
Anyhow, I think I'm gonnaswitch gears a little bit
because, like I mean, like Isaid, there's fucking 10 movies.
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I'm not giving the synopsis ofevery movie, it's just.
The budget got bigger each timeand the traps got more and more
intense and they got more andmore interweaved.
So I guess I'll just we'll justhave the fun little
conversations now.
So, out of the ones you canrecall, what do you think are
like?
Like the, just the gnarliesttrap, whether it's the most
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memorable, or just like youcan't think of anything worse of
like it actually happening toyou.
So we'll go first.
So, uh, lauren, you're ourguest, you go first.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Oh boy um, the two I always think of that come like.
First come to mind when I thinkof these movies is the I think
it was the second one the house,that whole yeah them trying to
get out of the house and the onewhere it's like the five people
and they find out at the endthey're supposed to work
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together um, yeah, yeah with theuh blood at the last one, or
they had like just the yeahwhat's called table saws yeah I
don't know if those are notreally like the gnarliest, but
for some those are the only onesI always think so just just the
whole house.
Literally everything about thehouse is just I mean I, yeah, I
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think it's because it's like thethe point of it, like it wasn't
just like for one person to getout or whatever, like how most
of them are, it's like a wholefair enough.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yeah, that's true, that's just like yeah, because
they were pumping.
Yeah, they were pumping gasinto the house anyway.
So like you're slowly dyingfrom the poison.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Also, like right, that's pretty rough got like the
maze aspect of it.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
It's crazy yeah, and that had the needle pit in it
too oh god, there it is.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Yeah, I was gonna keep my mouth shut, but yeah,
the needle pit.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Yeah, I think, for me the one that makes me gag I get
like physically ill was, Ithink, the third one, with the
attorney who's or no, he was ajudge tied up in the bottom of
the pit, the pigs.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
That makes me want to vomit.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
I could I can stand like the things going in the
eyes, or you know, like all ofthe you know people being sawed
into but that, oh, like therotting pigs in there like oh,
that's, that's what made it somuch worse, like it sounds
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fucked up, but it's one thing ifit was like a regular butcher
shop and those were, quoteunquote fresh pigs to be
slaughtered you know what I meanyeah, they were rotting, there
was maggots.
That is one thing about thesemovies.
I, I, I envy their movies andnot being a part because, like,
the building just looks dirty,like the bathroom, just like
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they go back to that samebathroom from the first one and
like three different movies andthe bodies are still fucking.
In the second one, adam's bodyis still in there and then, and
then what is it?
Then it's, uh, I think,something they need.
Then they go back to that samebathroom in like the fifth one
and same thing, I think.
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I think the corpses are stillthere.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I fucking see like the foot skeleton or something.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Still the foot is still there by like the fourth
movie and so so we're talkingyears of decomposition just to
walk in there, you know, yeahyou need a tetanus shot just to
go to listen.
You're wiping your feet toleave that building.
You're supposed to wipe yourfeet and then come into a house.
You're wiping your feet to goback to outside after leaving
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that fucking room.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
It's just listen it's with the pit, with the pig pit,
like, oh yeah, it looks it likethey did so good with that
special effects, like because,whatever, whatever that was, it
looks like it.
It looks like rotten watercoming in, but it's also slimy
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oh yeah, it has, I don't oh guywe're just talking about, like
he's close my eyes and I see it.
I see it right now and I'm gonnamake myself good and he's like
laying there and you see, thisstuff splash and you know, like
I just know like that is goinginto his mouth, like he's
tasting it, smelling it in hiseyes.
It's in every and his eyes,it's in every orifices in his
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body.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
It's just all over him.
Like honestly, even if he livedthrough that one, I would have
just offed myself upon leavingthat because, like you're not
the same, there's no amount ofdrugs or therapy that can fix
that.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Holy hell.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
It's just so, yeah, holy hell.
It's just so, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
And I'm sure we'll get to this.
But I had the biggest problemswith the third one, with what I
felt were I don't know if it wasnecessarily plot holes, but I
thought there were things thatthat guy could have done to save
all those people and he justdidn't do them.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
And it was kind of silly.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
That's a bit that they talk a little bit about
that.
That's what's funny about thesemovies is that every single
time they didn't.
So it's not like Marvel.
We're like oh, oh, you made onegood movie, okay, we'll just
green light, 17 movies over 11years for you like?
No, it wasn't like that.
They got the check to make themovie every single year, so they
waited until the second onecame out and how the second one
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was received, and then they said, okay, make a third one.
Okay, make a fourth one.
Okay, make a fifth one.
Then they kept doing it andit's not like, okay, make a
sixth and a seventh.
No, it was every single yearthey got the green light to do
it.
So they had to.
Kind of they ended the movie ona clip on just enough of a
cliffhanger to like when theyinevitably did get the okay to
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make another movie, they did it.
But they also like that's whenthey started tying everything in
the third one was when theyreally started to get a bit big
for their britches on that one.
Because then you find out that Ithink it's like when everything
starts hitting and you find outthat like that movie was
happening at like two separatetimes or all been happening at
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the same time.
Then you also find out that thesecond one was happening the
same time, the third one and thefifth one are happening, and
then the fifth one took placebefore the first one but at the
same time as the seventh one,and I'm like that's a lot, it it
all makes sense as you'rewatching the movie, because
they'd like, oh my god, there'sthe fuck, there's the fucking
person and the thing, and oh mygod, it makes sense when you're
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watching the movie.
But if you really sit back,like I just did, I'm sitting if
you just sit back and try toexplain it, it's like dude, what
are you even talking about?
That's the most.
No, that, no, you don't.
That's way too complicated toeven try.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah, I definitely feel like it works in the movies
yeah, I would say I definitelyfeel like you watch it and
you're like, yep, makes sense.
You literally turn it off andgo.
Nope, don't get when you try tothink back to it all of it.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
You tried it and it was just nope, don't got it the
thing that irritated me aboutthe third one was okay.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
So he's in the room with the girl that's being
sprayed with water, right, yeah?
And he has to reach throughthese pipes that are I don't
know if they're like insanelycold or insanely hot, but anyway
it's going to burn him.
He's going to have to press hisface up against them in order
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to reach the thing to save her.
Yeah, dude, okay, take yoursweater off and put it as a
barrier against your skin.
I was watching that and I wasthinking you have clothing
layers.
Take them off and just put yourface up against it.
It's going to burn through theclothing, yeah.
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And then I felt I got likeinsanely upset at the, at the at
the end, when you know he walksin and his, his wife, it has
the, has the shotgun thingaround her neck, yeah, yeah and
so like, okay, that thing istied to john's heart monitor
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like all he had.
No, unless there was some I youknow, unless there was some
medical thing that you know,like where that monitor was,
like inserted into his body,like just take the pads off and
put it on your own, on your ownheart, like you could have saved
your.
You could, you could have savedyour life.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
He didn't know, and it's crazy he didn't know about.
No, he didn't know about untilafterwards, until he already
killed him because it's, it'sall on her not fucking
explaining.
Hey, I know you're mad, butdon't kill that fucking guy
because you see this, yeah, thisisn't lovely pearl to run by.
These are fucking 12 gaugebuckshot.
Like don't do it.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
But like there was a moment right before, like his,
his heart rate, and she's like,no, you know, like, and she's
telling him like he just kind ofstood there with this dumb ass.
Look on his face like, oh myGod, like everything was moving
in slow motion and I'm like like, just get the things off his
chest and put it on you.
They're sticky pads, just putit on, you know.
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So I was like in my mind,unhinged at that movie watching
it again.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
I can only.
I can also only assume that.
You know, like I said, nothingis explained and like, so we're
kind of going on our own things.
But like, yeah, it's attachedto the heart rate.
So like, as soon as it readsthat there's not a heart rate,
even if they become detached,it's gonna set it off.
I can only assume that yeah,like uh.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Once it starts, it doesn't stop exactly scenario.
Yeah, I mean probably likespeed lower budget I also think
the, the woman who was in theice, that was like the first one
he came across right first orsecond.
Yeah, yep.
So I give him a little bit of abenefit of the doubt there,
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because you probably you're inshock, you don't realize what's
happening, you probably didn'trealize she's actually gonna die
, I guess I don't know.
So like, maybe, sure, butthat's like the only one I would
be like uh, all right yeah youknow like your adrenaline hasn't
hit yet, I guess the one.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
I can't think of one that's.
I arguably think it's the fuck.
Is the rack the guy who hit hisyeah let me paint the picture
for you, peeps.
This guy is strung out, each ofhis arms.
He's completely set up in thismonstrous rack where his arms
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and his legs and his head areset in this.
They're all sandwiched in thesecontraptions and, as the timer
starts, one thing at a time isstarting to twist and twist and
twist.
So it's going to go with.
One of his arms is starting totwist and twist and twist, so
it's going to go with one of hisarms.
It's going to start turning andit's this giant rusted metal
thing.
So you know exactly what'sgoing to happen.
So it's going to completelytwist his arm.
His arms are popping out of itssock and the bones are breaking
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and this and then go the legsand then goes.
So it's just going and going.
So literally it goes arm, arm,leg, leg.
He's just being completely,he's like being flipped inside
out.
And then the head as this guyis now screaming in horror pain.
Then the head starts going andyou're like oh fuck, you just
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know.
Honestly, though, even if theydid that and they didn't turn
his head completely around, Ireally think that guy would have
ended up dying anyway, like thebody loss not even the blood
loss.
I think he, I think his bodywould have actually just shut
down like the shock would havebeen too much for his brain
actually like compute his brainhe would have.
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His body would have literallyjust been so overstimulated and
just all right, we're done, fuckthis.
And then just shut off beforethe blood loss would have killed
him because, like, both hisfemurs are completely out.
Just, he's a mess.
He's a goddamn mess.
I guess my last question wouldbe is there any of the traps you
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think you think you could havemade it through if you were?
Uh, if you, if you were put inany of them?
Speaker 2 (26:47):
because, like I said, there was a couple of them, if
you just sat and you thoughtrationally I feel like I said
this before to you the one withthe skinny girl and the fat guy,
and she chops her arm off yeahyeah, I feel like, because they
have to do the weight orwhatever, I feel like I could
definitely do that because, likeright, from the beginning
you're like oh, I can livewithout an arm.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
I'm just going to go ahead and say this one you can
cut this out in editing, it'stotally fine.
I just I have to make the joke.
You guys would be very simpleunless you guys were in that
trap together because like, ohmy god, I'm going to die.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
You can live with one boob that's true, you can live
without both, but it would be alot harder to cut off and just
taking a cleaver, like she did,and chopping an arm off you just
once, one fell swoop we saw.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
I remember when we first saw that one but we
watched that one and she's, youwere like finally someone's
fucking thinking Just takeCleaver, just bite down, don't
be such a bitch Wham, just takeit out.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
You were so just someone was finally smart.
She was a little at thebeginning because she tried to
cut her stomach fat like the bigguy and I'm like what?
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Like her finger or something like that one.
Yeah, but yeah, I just listened, but yeah, I just listen, or
whatever.
The joke was, there it was, Ihad to say it.
I was like listen, if either ofyou guys were in that trap, you
guys would be fine, unless youwere against each other, I don't
know.
But if you, you guys, were upagainst that fact, guys listen,
just take your favorite, takethe other one and send it.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
You're fine, you're good oh, but we could take turns
.
We could lop him on there andtake turns hacking him off.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Yeah, we we could have teamed up.
We could lop him on there andtake turns hacking him off.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
We could have teamed up and beat that guy.
Yeah, for sure, 100% oh well,yeah, because fuck that guy man.
I will also say the ponytailone.
You know, I think he could haveshot through her hair to break
her out of that.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Oh, a million percent .
He was in the whole fuckinghouse Like you mean, it's not,
it was like none of that.
He could have cut the fuckinghair.
It was a knife.
Yeah, it's gonna hurt like amother, but it's like.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Yeah, um side note, everyone that I was thinking of
in my head y'all have talkedabout the ice one, the pony tail
, like the first question, kindof like after, like I said mine,
things kept popping in, andthen I think it was just Angie,
it was like oh, yeah, and thenthe ice chick, oh, and then the
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pony tail.
Yep, yep, same wavelength, Iguess.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Yeah, yep, yep, same same wavelength, I guess it just
couldn't make me laugh though,because with with you know, I
see the the ponytail one.
Now I see as a in a whole newlight with um learning, that
there's a very specific kind ofpeople out on social media,
specifically tiktok.
I'm looking at y'all um, someof you kind of people out on
social media, specificallyTikTok.
I'm looking at y'all Some ofyou kind of like I can see there
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being a line to be that womanfrom some.
I think I know a couple peoplewho would be like wait, why does
it seem so bad?
She's the lucky one in this.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Until your scalp rips off.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Until she's getting scalped.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Potato panetherapy.
You know same thing.
I will say this In that one.
I don't know why.
I can't help but laugh at thisone, but at the end of the day,
that's the one where you findout what happened to Donnie
Wahlberg after his movie.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
He's got the boot on because his leg's all fucked up.
What he's being.
He's got the boot on becausehis legs all fucked up he's
being.
He's suspended by.
He's being, you know, hung andsuffocated by a chain of but
it's, it's the biggest block ofice you've ever seen in your
(30:45):
fucking life.
That's the best you could havecome up with.
Like just fuck it.
Put him on a giant block of icewith these giant air dryers
Melting the ice and it's fillingup the pool.
And if it fills up the poolit's gonna shock the other guy
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man you want to talk about.
No pun intended, they fuckinglimp to the finish with that one
like yeah, because wheneverthey cut back to what's going on
there, there's just donniewalberg just fucking dancing
like new kids on the block,still like on this fucking giant
block of ice.
It was the dumbest fuckingthing.
It was the three biggest blocks.
It was literally all ofGreenland and Article and like a
(31:30):
third of the world from thefirst Ice Age.
They just came and they justthere's so much ice in this one
fucking scene.
It's the funniest, it's thedumbest, most clunky trap they
had in, just in the franchise.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Shit like that, you know.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
It's the little things.
It's the little things.
Congratulations.
You're alive.
Most people are so ungratefulto be alive, but not you, not
anymore.
Thanks for listening, and nowyou do your bit.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Oh, okay, this is where I come in, okay, yes,
where you come in social medias,remember to tell your friends
about us, share this episode,give us comments, give us
ratings.
We need all of that.
We need you, and thank you somuch for sticking with us.
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A special thanks to Lauren forjoining the Insanity for an
evening.
You're welcome back anytime youwant to talk about something
crazy with us.
Oh, thanks.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Always fun.
How would you know?
You just got here, hey.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
With that bye.
Everyone Say bye Kyle.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Oh, bye, Kyle.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Say goodbye Lauren, Bye a fun fact that I learned um
about these movies is that umrob zombie was brought in as a
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consultant consultant, yeah.
And the third one because theykept getting an nc-17 rating and
they needed him to figure outhow they could get the r rating,
and it was.
It was the scene with the girlthat it was the nudity of the
girl that was being frozen, thatwould have been a hilarious
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conversation to have with robfucking zombie.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Um right, it was more or less like yeah, you can't
show the downstairs bits for acertain amount of time and you,
you have to.
Um what I learned?
That?
That when I learned thatthere's like, um, there's a wig,
I thought that was kind offunny yeah, yeah, it's a merkin
yeah, I didn't, I didn.
Yeah, I didn't know that, I didnot know that, and so I was
(34:04):
like I just kind of thought itgoes wow, there's a lot of women
who are into that.
It goes nope, that's Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
That's yep.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
I didn't know that.
I forgot when I learned that,but it's kind of funny.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
It's so funny.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Kind of funny.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Has to be hair.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
It's funny that women know these things and men.
They have to learn them muchlater in life.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Well, because it applies to you, you know what I
mean.
Like the guys aren't wearingthose.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Well, I've never worn a merkin either, but somehow I
just know about them.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
I'm going to be honest.
I was not expecting to behaving a conversation about
merkins on this episode, buthere we are.
Well, no, it's probably goingto be honest.
I was not expecting to behaving a conversation about
Americans on this episode buthere we are.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Well, no, it's probably going to be cut because
we're way over time.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
I'll do my little outro here, and then we can just
keep shooting the shit andtalking about Americans, I guess
.
Hello listeners.
We may not know you personally,but you know us kinda.
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Before you is roughly 30 to 40minutes of three dumbasses
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Listen or skip make your choice.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Before we begin today's episode, we would like
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Speaker 1 (01:09):
Welcome to another episode of the Black Carton Club
podcast.
That's what this is.
Anyhow, today I have the otherhostess with some of the mostess
but not like a cream-filledcupcake, angie and joining us
tonight is actually a near anddear, very special guest.
My dog, stela, is sitting nextto me, but that's not who we're
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talking about.
My beloved Lauren.
Ladies, how are you tonight?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Pretty good Lauren, I definitely want to welcome you
to the Black Curtain Club.
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I love how we pitched all sorts of other or at least
I pitched like other topics.
Maybe you'd want to talk aboutthis.
Maybe you want to talk aboutthat.
What does she wait for?
No, the saw movies.
You know nothing says bondinglike a loving couple, like I
can't even think of a funny jokehow to describe them.
Everyone knows the saw moviesand if you don't this, this
you're going to learn today.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Hell yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I'm assuming, because we've talked a little bit about
them in past episodes and youknow about these movies.
You've seen the movies, you'reready for them.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Oh yeah, love the movies.
Absolutely obsessed with them,yep.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Aren't you?
Just so I'll give a little bitof a tidbit of why I find it
kind of fitting that Lauren isjoining us tonight.
I don't know about all y'alls,but spooky season for me starts
September 1st Always starts thatso we'll decorate for Halloween
and it goes into full-blownoverdrive Spooky is the year
round, but it extra starts onSeptember 1st into full-blown
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overdrive spookies the yearround, but it extra starts on
september 1st.
We have a lovely traditionwhere we put on the saw movies
and we decorate.
So I guess that's just kind of.
It's just, it's perfect.
We know they're not the bestmovies, they're not the best
horror movies, but they hold avery special place in both of
our hearts.
Whether we have to cut them outor not, to, you know, get away
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in a minute or less, that'scompletely out of interpretation
.
But still, I've always alwaysloved these movies.
I remember when we were firstdating I kind of said something
about them or made like anobscure reference and she was
like, oh yeah, because of that Iwas just like wait a minute,
what?
So it was like the weird thingthat like she was like one of
the first weird things I reallyliked.
I knew she liked and I was likenice.
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So then it just kind of wentfrom there and it was kind of
great so before we get reallycheesy.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
I'm going to say something really cheesy.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Please.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
The couple, the couple who slays together stays
together.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
And with that, thanks for listening today.
Everyone, Make sure you checkus on all platforms.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
That was pretty good yeah before we get too into this
one.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Lauren, you care to tell angie and our listeners a
little bit about you, because Ithink I know a thing am a I
don't know mom of two and a dog,um, chef, chef by heart.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
And degree, college degree, um, and you know, just
trying to survive like we allare, like we all are, and the
Saw movies are, like my guiltypleasure movies.
So this is definitely a goodspot to be tonight.
But I feel like a lot of peopledon't really care about these
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movies because, at least thefirst few, because of, like you
know, like you said, they're notlike good, but they're good
like good.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
But they're good.
Hey, hey, you throw somerespect on that first one,
though.
You throw some respect on thefirst one, and with that that's
a perfect tie-in to starting thefirst one just off and running.
The first time I saw it, Iwatched it.
My older brother and I.
We went and we saw this in themovie theaters.
(05:06):
He was just, I want to say hewas just old enough to sneak me
into R-rated movies.
It was the very first rated Rmovie I saw in the movie theater
and I was definitely way tooyoung to have seen it.
And we were hanging out at themall or something like that one,
and that's where the movie was.
And so he just like got theticket and just like snuck me
into the movie or whatever.
I remember just like watchingit because we saw the promos for
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it and we're just like what,the dudes are going to cut their
feet off.
Fuck, yeah, hey, that guy fromother than the movie who cares
Um?
And then we just, I just and tothe people who don't know, kind
of the synopsis of this movie,you got the guy from Princess
Bride and some other schmuck.
They wake up in this dirty-assbathroom, they find out that
(05:56):
they're changed to the walls andthere's a dead guy in the
middle of the floor and thenjust throughout as the movie
develops, you learn so much morethat there's more connection
between the two of them and thelittle tape recorder.
And there's some psycho doingall this other kind of crazy
crap out there, making peopletorture and dismember themselves
just to teach them a lessonthat, hey, you know what life
could be so much worse.
Stop being such a piece of shit,which like you know we, we all
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have our moments where, you know, maybe we get a little big for
our britches, we think our lifeis the absolute worst because we
spilled our coffee or we'restuck in traffic.
Meanwhile, the main baddiethroughout these movies his wife
, had a miscarriage.
They had such difficulty tryingto conceive a child.
He's then later diagnosed withcancer.
(06:38):
He tries to kill himself and hejust can't do it.
So in the meanwhile, people areout there thinking their lives
are so terrible because theirmom yelled at them.
So he goes a little crazy andhe starts teaching these people
a lesson.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
He's very against first world problems.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Good message.
Maybe the wrong way to go aboutit, but good message.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Great idea.
It just needs to work.
My man, he's got the right idea, he's got.
He's a little confused, youknow what I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Like needs better execution.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Oh pun intended a wholesome message wrapped in uh,
you know, blood and guts.
That's basically what thesemovies are rusty barbed wire
yeah, and rusty barbed wire,yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
But the first one, you just.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Also.
Wait, wait, go back just asecond.
I wouldn't just call it amiscarriage, though, to have him
go off the rails.
For the record, that's a prettytraumatic happening.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Fair enough, okay, yeah, all right, it wasn't just
a miscarriage.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
It was more like an attack.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah, it was a bit of a borderline attack.
All right, fine, that's in alater movie, kind of an accident
, I guess, but still.
Yeah, in one of the latermovies you find out that she
Actually his wife was opening up, I think it was a methadone
clinic right or like a.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah, a methadone clinic, right or?
Speaker 1 (08:02):
like a yeah, I'm sorry and I'm so, yeah, so she's
trying to better, because she'sa fucking sweetheart.
She's trying to do better theworld and help these people who
have these problems on and soforth.
And um, one night, as she'sclosing up, one of their
patients comes back in becauselike he left something and he
like kind of forces his way in,whether to rob them or whatever,
and like the the door handlejams into her.
(08:25):
Yeah, either way, he goes alittle off the rail.
He goes a little off the rails,understandably so.
But I digress.
Snap back to the first one, theuh, just, you know as a as but a
wee lad watching the movie,you're just, you're just kind of
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taken back by the movie andexperience it because it's oh
yeah, there's, there's, there'sblood and there's.
It's a scary movie and there'speople you know and there's
danny glover running around likea psychopath also.
It's fantastic and you just youlike it for what it is at the
surface.
You don't really see too muchdeep into it.
I will say this one spoileralert the movie's been out
(09:05):
forever but you haven't seen ityet.
Your own fucking problem.
I'll never forget.
If there's one specific thingabout this it's a core memory
for me and my brother, is thatat the whole movie you're trying
to figure out who the killer is, who Jigsaw is, who's doing
this, who's doing that, what's'sgoing on, and everything is
pointing towards this other guywho was the janitor at the
(09:29):
hospital that he works at.
So you think it's that guy.
Like holy shit, it's the fuck.
Oh, my god, and it.
They played it out so well andthen that guy ends up dead.
You search, you go search inhis pockets.
He's got a tape recorder on him.
If you got a tape recorder onyou.
It means that you're anotherit's that you're another cog in
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the machine, you're anotherpiece in the jigsaw puzzle.
And when the big plot twist,the big crescendo of the movie
coming together, the ending whenthe dead guy in the middle of
the room stands up and revealsthat he's the fucking killer,
yeah, that no pun intended blewboth of our fucking minds.
I just remember me, my olderbrother.
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Our jaws were literally on thefloor like, oh, fucking, what,
like it was.
We loved the movie, like fromthe get-go, absolutely loved the
movie.
And then, you know, as years goon and I become more and more
like obsessed with movies andlike little fun, little tidbits,
something that made me love themovie even more was it was made
(10:33):
with only like the first onewas made with only like a
million dollars yep which yeahyeah, that's insane only a
million dollars.
That's funny, but think abouteverything you have to pay for
for a fucking movie and that'swhat's all a part of the budget.
One million dollars and theymade a whole feature-length
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movie that was released intheaters.
That is considered insanely.
I think the average movie ismade with like $20 million.
Now, like an average low budget.
Just shit it.
You know, throw the shitagainst the wall, see what
sticks.
It's like $20 million.
Now An average low budget.
Just throw the shit against thewall, see what sticks.
It's like $20 million.
They made it with $1 millionand they filmed it in 10 days.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Yeah, I was going to say Danny Glover.
I read this.
He recorded all of his parts intwo days and he didn't have
time to rehearse.
He was that much of aprofessional.
Hats off to danny glover.
Amazing actor, two days, nevermissed, never messed up on a
(11:38):
take.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I mean, that's, that's true talent, right there
yeah, just, oh, my god, like andjust, it's so much, I think
it's.
I'm pretty sure it still holdsthe record to this day that it
is not just horror movie but itis the most successful um, uh,
what's the like?
(11:59):
Like the percentage of profitof what it took.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I think it still holds the record yeah, I think
it took a million to make.
It made like a hundred millionyeah, like it's.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
It just didn't run in the theaters alone, just the
theaters alone.
It made a hundred milliondollars.
That's not you know yeah youknow buying and this, that and
the other thing, all the othershit that comes along with it
all and this was supposed to belike a side project.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
it was supposed to be just like a little like a short
or something.
It wasn't even supposed to belike a side project.
It was supposed to be just likea little like a short or
something.
It wasn't even supposed to bewhat it was.
And then it just kind of tookoff, and I think we touched on
this before it totally changedthe horror genre for sure.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah, it gave something.
It brought some type of a newlife to it, if you will Like.
Yeah, there was your slasherflicks and your paranormal
flicks and all that kind of funstuff.
Just to kind of piggyback offof what Lauren said he's got the
right idea to teach people thelessons, just not necessarily
the best way you can and shouldteach the lessons you know.
So you want to talk aboutsomeone who is like on the line
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of he a good.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
No, he's not a good guy, like we know he's not a
good guy, he he has misplacedmorals.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
There you go, there you go I would say at the
beginning I wouldn't call him abad guy, but after the
continuation for so long maybeit kind of goes into yeah,
what's.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yeah, what's the thing?
Yeah, what's the thing.
The uh.
Only once shame on you.
Fool me twice.
We're not best friends anymore,or whatever it is yeah, I think
his downfall was, though, he letamanda run amok longer than he
should have exactly he becamevery I think that's when it was
when he started like creatingthe you know, the cult, if you
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would like, his cult and hisfollowers and the brainwashing.
That's where everything gotreally.
That's where he loses anycredibility in any type of a
defense that he's doing it forthe greater good, because now
he's just like he can't keepthese people in check.
Anyhow, I think I'm gonnaswitch gears a little bit
because, like I mean, like Isaid, there's fucking 10 movies.
(14:13):
I'm not giving the synopsis ofevery movie, it's just.
The budget got bigger each timeand the traps got more and more
intense and they got more andmore interweaved.
So I guess I'll just we'll justhave the fun little
conversations now.
So, out of the ones you canrecall, what do you think are
like?
Like the, just the gnarliesttrap, whether it's the most
(14:36):
memorable, or just like youcan't think of anything worse of
like it actually happening toyou.
So we'll go first.
So, uh, lauren, you're ourguest, you go first.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Oh boy um, the two I always think of that come like.
First come to mind when I thinkof these movies is the I think
it was the second one the house,that whole yeah them trying to
get out of the house and the onewhere it's like the five people
and they find out at the endthey're supposed to work
(15:06):
together um, yeah, yeah with theuh blood at the last one, or
they had like just the yeahwhat's called table saws yeah I
don't know if those are notreally like the gnarliest, but
for some those are the only onesI always think so just just the
whole house.
Literally everything about thehouse is just I mean I, yeah, I
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think it's because it's like thethe point of it, like it wasn't
just like for one person to getout or whatever, like how most
of them are, it's like a wholefair enough.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yeah, that's true, that's just like yeah, because
they were pumping.
Yeah, they were pumping gasinto the house anyway.
So like you're slowly dyingfrom the poison.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Also, like right, that's pretty rough got like the
maze aspect of it.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
It's crazy yeah, and that had the needle pit in it
too oh god, there it is.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Yeah, I was gonna keep my mouth shut, but yeah,
the needle pit.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Yeah, I think, for me the one that makes me gag I get
like physically ill was, Ithink, the third one, with the
attorney who's or no, he was ajudge tied up in the bottom of
the pit, the pigs.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
That makes me want to vomit.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
I could I can stand like the things going in the
eyes, or you know, like all ofthe you know people being sawed
into but that, oh, like therotting pigs in there like oh,
that's, that's what made it somuch worse, like it sounds
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fucked up, but it's one thing ifit was like a regular butcher
shop and those were, quoteunquote fresh pigs to be
slaughtered you know what I meanyeah, they were rotting, there
was maggots.
That is one thing about thesemovies.
I, I, I envy their movies andnot being a part because, like,
the building just looks dirty,like the bathroom, just like
(17:14):
they go back to that samebathroom from the first one and
like three different movies andthe bodies are still fucking.
In the second one, adam's bodyis still in there and then, and
then what is it?
Then it's, uh, I think,something they need.
Then they go back to that samebathroom in like the fifth one
and same thing, I think.
(17:34):
I think the corpses are stillthere.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I fucking see like the foot skeleton or something.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Still the foot is still there by like the fourth
movie and so so we're talkingyears of decomposition just to
walk in there, you know, yeahyou need a tetanus shot just to
go to listen.
You're wiping your feet toleave that building.
You're supposed to wipe yourfeet and then come into a house.
You're wiping your feet to goback to outside after leaving
(18:00):
that fucking room.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
It's just listen it's with the pit, with the pig pit,
like, oh yeah, it looks it likethey did so good with that
special effects, like because,whatever, whatever that was, it
looks like it.
It looks like rotten watercoming in, but it's also slimy
(18:25):
oh yeah, it has, I don't oh guywe're just talking about, like
he's close my eyes and I see it.
I see it right now and I'm gonnamake myself good and he's like
laying there and you see, thisstuff splash and you know, like
I just know like that is goinginto his mouth, like he's
tasting it, smelling it in hiseyes.
It's in every and his eyes,it's in every orifices in his
(18:50):
body.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
It's just all over him.
Like honestly, even if he livedthrough that one, I would have
just offed myself upon leavingthat because, like you're not
the same, there's no amount ofdrugs or therapy that can fix
that.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Holy hell.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
It's just so, yeah, holy hell.
It's just so, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
And I'm sure we'll get to this.
But I had the biggest problemswith the third one, with what I
felt were I don't know if it wasnecessarily plot holes, but I
thought there were things thatthat guy could have done to save
all those people and he justdidn't do them.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
And it was kind of silly.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
That's a bit that they talk a little bit about
that.
That's what's funny about thesemovies is that every single
time they didn't.
So it's not like Marvel.
We're like oh, oh, you made onegood movie, okay, we'll just
green light, 17 movies over 11years for you like?
No, it wasn't like that.
They got the check to make themovie every single year, so they
waited until the second onecame out and how the second one
(19:58):
was received, and then they said, okay, make a third one.
Okay, make a fourth one.
Okay, make a fifth one.
Then they kept doing it andit's not like, okay, make a
sixth and a seventh.
No, it was every single yearthey got the green light to do
it.
So they had to.
Kind of they ended the movie ona clip on just enough of a
cliffhanger to like when theyinevitably did get the okay to
(20:19):
make another movie, they did it.
But they also like that's whenthey started tying everything in
the third one was when theyreally started to get a bit big
for their britches on that one.
Because then you find out that Ithink it's like when everything
starts hitting and you find outthat like that movie was
happening at like two separatetimes or all been happening at
(20:40):
the same time.
Then you also find out that thesecond one was happening the
same time, the third one and thefifth one are happening, and
then the fifth one took placebefore the first one but at the
same time as the seventh one,and I'm like that's a lot, it it
all makes sense as you'rewatching the movie, because
they'd like, oh my god, there'sthe fuck, there's the fucking
person and the thing, and oh mygod, it makes sense when you're
(21:03):
watching the movie.
But if you really sit back,like I just did, I'm sitting if
you just sit back and try toexplain it, it's like dude, what
are you even talking about?
That's the most.
No, that, no, you don't.
That's way too complicated toeven try.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah, I definitely feel like it works in the movies
yeah, I would say I definitelyfeel like you watch it and
you're like, yep, makes sense.
You literally turn it off andgo.
Nope, don't get when you try tothink back to it all of it.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
You tried it and it was just nope, don't got it the
thing that irritated me aboutthe third one was okay.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
So he's in the room with the girl that's being
sprayed with water, right, yeah?
And he has to reach throughthese pipes that are I don't
know if they're like insanelycold or insanely hot, but anyway
it's going to burn him.
He's going to have to press hisface up against them in order
(22:00):
to reach the thing to save her.
Yeah, dude, okay, take yoursweater off and put it as a
barrier against your skin.
I was watching that and I wasthinking you have clothing
layers.
Take them off and just put yourface up against it.
It's going to burn through theclothing, yeah.
(22:22):
And then I felt I got likeinsanely upset at the, at the at
the end, when you know he walksin and his, his wife, it has
the, has the shotgun thingaround her neck, yeah, yeah and
so like, okay, that thing istied to john's heart monitor
(22:49):
like all he had.
No, unless there was some I youknow, unless there was some
medical thing that you know,like where that monitor was,
like inserted into his body,like just take the pads off and
put it on your own, on your ownheart, like you could have saved
your.
You could, you could have savedyour life.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
He didn't know, and it's crazy he didn't know about.
No, he didn't know about untilafterwards, until he already
killed him because it's, it'sall on her not fucking
explaining.
Hey, I know you're mad, butdon't kill that fucking guy
because you see this, yeah, thisisn't lovely pearl to run by.
These are fucking 12 gaugebuckshot.
Like don't do it.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
But like there was a moment right before, like his,
his heart rate, and she's like,no, you know, like, and she's
telling him like he just kind ofstood there with this dumb ass.
Look on his face like, oh myGod, like everything was moving
in slow motion and I'm like like, just get the things off his
chest and put it on you.
They're sticky pads, just putit on, you know.
(23:48):
So I was like in my mind,unhinged at that movie watching
it again.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
I can only.
I can also only assume that.
You know, like I said, nothingis explained and like, so we're
kind of going on our own things.
But like, yeah, it's attachedto the heart rate.
So like, as soon as it readsthat there's not a heart rate,
even if they become detached,it's gonna set it off.
I can only assume that yeah,like uh.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Once it starts, it doesn't stop exactly scenario.
Yeah, I mean probably likespeed lower budget I also think
the, the woman who was in theice, that was like the first one
he came across right first orsecond.
Yeah, yep.
So I give him a little bit of abenefit of the doubt there,
(24:33):
because you probably you're inshock, you don't realize what's
happening, you probably didn'trealize she's actually gonna die
, I guess I don't know.
So like, maybe, sure, butthat's like the only one I would
be like uh, all right yeah youknow like your adrenaline hasn't
hit yet, I guess the one.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
I can't think of one that's.
I arguably think it's the fuck.
Is the rack the guy who hit hisyeah let me paint the picture
for you, peeps.
This guy is strung out, each ofhis arms.
He's completely set up in thismonstrous rack where his arms
(25:14):
and his legs and his head areset in this.
They're all sandwiched in thesecontraptions and, as the timer
starts, one thing at a time isstarting to twist and twist and
twist.
So it's going to go with.
One of his arms is starting totwist and twist and twist, so
it's going to go with one of hisarms.
It's going to start turning andit's this giant rusted metal
thing.
So you know exactly what'sgoing to happen.
So it's going to completelytwist his arm.
His arms are popping out of itssock and the bones are breaking
(25:36):
and this and then go the legsand then goes.
So it's just going and going.
So literally it goes arm, arm,leg, leg.
He's just being completely,he's like being flipped inside
out.
And then the head as this guyis now screaming in horror pain.
Then the head starts going andyou're like oh fuck, you just
(25:57):
know.
Honestly, though, even if theydid that and they didn't turn
his head completely around, Ireally think that guy would have
ended up dying anyway, like thebody loss not even the blood
loss.
I think he, I think his bodywould have actually just shut
down like the shock would havebeen too much for his brain
actually like compute his brainhe would have.
(26:18):
His body would have literallyjust been so overstimulated and
just all right, we're done, fuckthis.
And then just shut off beforethe blood loss would have killed
him because, like, both hisfemurs are completely out.
Just, he's a mess.
He's a goddamn mess.
I guess my last question wouldbe is there any of the traps you
(26:41):
think you think you could havemade it through if you were?
Uh, if you, if you were put inany of them?
Speaker 2 (26:47):
because, like I said, there was a couple of them, if
you just sat and you thoughtrationally I feel like I said
this before to you the one withthe skinny girl and the fat guy,
and she chops her arm off yeahyeah, I feel like, because they
have to do the weight orwhatever, I feel like I could
definitely do that because, likeright, from the beginning
you're like oh, I can livewithout an arm.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
I'm just going to go ahead and say this one you can
cut this out in editing, it'stotally fine.
I just I have to make the joke.
You guys would be very simpleunless you guys were in that
trap together because like, ohmy god, I'm going to die.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
You can live with one boob that's true, you can live
without both, but it would be alot harder to cut off and just
taking a cleaver, like she did,and chopping an arm off you just
once, one fell swoop we saw.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
I remember when we first saw that one but we
watched that one and she's, youwere like finally someone's
fucking thinking Just takeCleaver, just bite down, don't
be such a bitch Wham, just takeit out.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
You were so just someone was finally smart.
She was a little at thebeginning because she tried to
cut her stomach fat like the bigguy and I'm like what?
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Like her finger or something like that one.
Yeah, but yeah, I just listened, but yeah, I just listen, or
whatever.
The joke was, there it was, Ihad to say it.
I was like listen, if either ofyou guys were in that trap, you
guys would be fine, unless youwere against each other, I don't
know.
But if you, you guys, were upagainst that fact, guys listen,
just take your favorite, takethe other one and send it.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
You're fine, you're good oh, but we could take turns
.
We could lop him on there andtake turns hacking him off.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Yeah, we we could have teamed up.
We could lop him on there andtake turns hacking him off.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
We could have teamed up and beat that guy.
Yeah, for sure, 100% oh well,yeah, because fuck that guy man.
I will also say the ponytailone.
You know, I think he could haveshot through her hair to break
her out of that.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Oh, a million percent .
He was in the whole fuckinghouse Like you mean, it's not,
it was like none of that.
He could have cut the fuckinghair.
It was a knife.
Yeah, it's gonna hurt like amother, but it's like.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Yeah, um side note, everyone that I was thinking of
in my head y'all have talkedabout the ice one, the pony tail
, like the first question, kindof like after, like I said mine,
things kept popping in, andthen I think it was just Angie,
it was like oh, yeah, and thenthe ice chick, oh, and then the
(29:15):
pony tail.
Yep, yep, same wavelength, Iguess.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Yeah, yep, yep, same same wavelength, I guess it just
couldn't make me laugh though,because with with you know, I
see the the ponytail one.
Now I see as a in a whole newlight with um learning, that
there's a very specific kind ofpeople out on social media,
specifically tiktok.
I'm looking at y'all um, someof you kind of people out on
social media, specificallyTikTok.
I'm looking at y'all Some ofyou kind of like I can see there
(29:45):
being a line to be that womanfrom some.
I think I know a couple peoplewho would be like wait, why does
it seem so bad?
She's the lucky one in this.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Until your scalp rips off.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Until she's getting scalped.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Potato panetherapy.
You know same thing.
I will say this In that one.
I don't know why.
I can't help but laugh at thisone, but at the end of the day,
that's the one where you findout what happened to Donnie
Wahlberg after his movie.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
He's got the boot on because his leg's all fucked up.
What he's being.
He's got the boot on becausehis legs all fucked up he's
being.
He's suspended by.
He's being, you know, hung andsuffocated by a chain of but
it's, it's the biggest block ofice you've ever seen in your
(30:45):
fucking life.
That's the best you could havecome up with.
Like just fuck it.
Put him on a giant block of icewith these giant air dryers
Melting the ice and it's fillingup the pool.
And if it fills up the poolit's gonna shock the other guy
(31:05):
man you want to talk about.
No pun intended, they fuckinglimp to the finish with that one
like yeah, because wheneverthey cut back to what's going on
there, there's just donniewalberg just fucking dancing
like new kids on the block,still like on this fucking giant
block of ice.
It was the dumbest fuckingthing.
It was the three biggest blocks.
It was literally all ofGreenland and Article and like a
(31:30):
third of the world from thefirst Ice Age.
They just came and they justthere's so much ice in this one
fucking scene.
It's the funniest, it's thedumbest, most clunky trap they
had in, just in the franchise.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Shit like that, you know.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
It's the little things.
It's the little things.
Congratulations.
You're alive.
Most people are so ungratefulto be alive, but not you, not
anymore.
Thanks for listening, and nowyou do your bit.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Oh, okay, this is where I come in, okay, yes,
where you come in social medias,remember to tell your friends
about us, share this episode,give us comments, give us
ratings.
We need all of that.
We need you, and thank you somuch for sticking with us.
(32:30):
A special thanks to Lauren forjoining the Insanity for an
evening.
You're welcome back anytime youwant to talk about something
crazy with us.
Oh, thanks.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Always fun.
How would you know?
You just got here, hey.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
With that bye.
Everyone Say bye Kyle.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Oh, bye, Kyle.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Say goodbye Lauren, Bye a fun fact that I learned um
about these movies is that umrob zombie was brought in as a
(33:17):
consultant consultant, yeah.
And the third one because theykept getting an nc-17 rating and
they needed him to figure outhow they could get the r rating,
and it was.
It was the scene with the girlthat it was the nudity of the
girl that was being frozen, thatwould have been a hilarious
(33:39):
conversation to have with robfucking zombie.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Um right, it was more or less like yeah, you can't
show the downstairs bits for acertain amount of time and you,
you have to.
Um what I learned?
That?
That when I learned thatthere's like, um, there's a wig,
I thought that was kind offunny yeah, yeah, it's a merkin
yeah, I didn't, I didn.
Yeah, I didn't know that, I didnot know that, and so I was
(34:04):
like I just kind of thought itgoes wow, there's a lot of women
who are into that.
It goes nope, that's Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
That's yep.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
I didn't know that.
I forgot when I learned that,but it's kind of funny.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
It's so funny.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Kind of funny.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Has to be hair.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
It's funny that women know these things and men.
They have to learn them muchlater in life.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Well, because it applies to you, you know what I
mean.
Like the guys aren't wearingthose.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Well, I've never worn a merkin either, but somehow I
just know about them.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
I'm going to be honest.
I was not expecting to behaving a conversation about
merkins on this episode, buthere we are.
Well, no, it's probably goingto be honest.
I was not expecting to behaving a conversation about
Americans on this episode buthere we are.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Well, no, it's probably going to be cut because
we're way over time.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
I'll do my little outro here, and then we can just
keep shooting the shit andtalking about Americans, I guess
.
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