Mosh Pits & Lullabies

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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Welcome back to the BlackCurtain Club, where we talk
about pop culture, cryptids,murder, chaos and everything in
between.
So today, kyle and I aredelving into a subject we both
are incredibly passionate about,something that really gets into

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your bones, and that is music.
So we're going to do a deepdive in the music that shaped us
, saved us, made us dance, madeus cry, scream in the car or do
that thing where you staredramatically out the window
during rainstorms.
Basically, this is going to beour unofficial live soundtracks

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what we grew up on, the artistswe'd fight somebody over, uh,
the ones that haunt us, andmaybe a few hot takes that we're
going to regret.
So, kyle, you ready for this?

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Yeah, hello, or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yes, I am.
I don't think I've ever been asready, if I'm being completely
honest.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Well, I would say, cue the music, but we're poor,
we're a baby podcast and we'retoo poor to have licensing
rights.
So I did, just to kind of keepus on track a little bit, have
just some questions that I kindof drew up and we'll just see
where the conversation takes us.
So I think, first, let's startat the very beginning, right,

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where else are we going to start?

Speaker 3 (02:16):
So let's see.
So, if we're going to do thisin nine sections, let's start at
number four.
Let's do the George Lucas route.
We'll do it in nine sections,start at four, wait 15, 20 years
, you know in the beginning yeahso what kind of music were you
raised on as a child?

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let's see, probably when I say amix of god, everyone says you
listen to everything except likeone genre.
But that really was like what Iwas raised on, but I guess I
think from my father mainly like70s and we'll say like 60s, 70s

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and some 80s bands and groupsand musics his big ones I can
probably take it to the entirediscography of Rush, bob Seger,
fleetwood Mac and the Eagles.
Thanks to him, I love all ofthose and my mother, if there
was one.
If there's one thing that I gotfrom my mother music wise, it

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is my deep love and appreciationin the entire discography of
Shania Twain.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Oh, I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
What do you mean?
Oh, oh, we're gonna haveconversations.
Then, oh shit, we just started.
We're what?
Four minutes in that even Rightconversations?
Then, oh shit, we just started,we were what?
Four minutes in, not even right.
That woman is a goddamn saintand I don't care what your
personal problems with her, Ilove her, I love her music, but
also I got like some I want tosay my mom was my first
introduction to like the quoteunquote, like the rebellious air

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quote unquote 80s music.
So like my mom, thanks my mom.
I got like def leppard, ozzy,acdc oh, wow yeah, a lot of that
.
All the hair bands too, guns androses.
My mom listened to a lot ofthat when she wasn't like
allowed to and like mygrandmother yelled her turn the
devil's music off.

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Oh yeah, you've never met her,but that is a spot-on impression
on my grandmother.
Love you, ma.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
But yes, I got a lot of that music from my mother
that's awesome it's pretty greatyeah, because I mean we I guess
sometimes we associate thatkind of rebellious music with
the men folk, but that's awesomeyeah, your mom sounds like a
pretty rad woman.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
My mother is a fucking trip and I say that with
all the love in the world.
My mom's both my parents are.
I can't even say that they are.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
They are trips yeah, I mean I similar.
You know, I I had a little bitof exposure but I I feel like I
mostly had to kind of forge myown way.
So like I come from like a verymusical family, especially like
well on both sides, I will saylike my mom's dad was a very

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musical family, especially likewell on both sides.
I will say, like my mom's dadwas a very talented bluegrass
musician On my dad's sideeveryone you know gets around
and plays bluegrass music.
So I was exposed to that earlyon and my parents are kind of
country music freaks I'm sosorry so I, unfortunately, was

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exposed to a lot of countrymusic um and a lot of like, yeah
, yeah, yeah, a lot of theirmusic, some of the 70s.
So I kind of like really had todig in and figure shit out on

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my own.
I can remember being very youngand like discovering, like
David Bowie and Prince and theRolling Stones and Michael
Jackson and all of these greats.
like you know, on my own and youknow kind of, I kind of
probably identify like maybewith your mom a little bit,

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because being raised not to,like you know, bring a lot of
religion into this.
But you know, I was raised um aj-dub and so like there was a
lot of music we were not allowedto listen to or supposed to
listen to.
Yeah, you know, like MichaelJackson was a, it was

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interesting because like it wenton a rail against Michael
Jackson's music and then heconverted to be a J-Dub.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
He did, he did yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Was it like right after bad too, like kind of?
Like yeah oh yeah, holy shitthat's right and they're like oh
shit, I guess we have to takethat back now yeah, so it's not
like you know.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
I have an older brother, um, and so probably you
know, just picking up musicthat he was into, discovered
stuff of my own.
It wasn't like, um, I had thisgreat crowd of people growing up
with um that I could, you know,share the latest Prince song

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with.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Yeah, yeah, I get it.
No, that's, that's how Idiscovered a lot of my I guess
the music I listen to now.
Jeez man Shout out to my homieCJ Love you, dog, even though
you're my cat.
He was the first work brotherin arms in the trenches friend

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that you made.
Everyone's got at least oneperson that you worked like the
crappiest job with that, likeyou would have.
Literally like the shady.
Just my motherfucking man.
Pots and pans, right I can'ttell you how many bands that I
listen to now and I absolutelylove and adore that he's
introduced me to, and likewhether they're overrated,

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underrated.
I only like that one song bythem um, it was like that, but
also like the whole warp tour uhscene, which we'll get into
that later in my little notes.
Same thing that was just so buta lot of it was just that was,
um, you know you, just you hitthat one age.

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You just kind of whatever's onthe radio, whenever, like you
know, whatever your parentslisten to is what you listen to,
and you kind of find your ownthings and you just kind of work
off of that and then you justhave that one.
Then, exactly, then it's thenyou start to realize which genre
you like, that you do your ownresearch and you just kind of
dig into that.
Um, but luckily enough I hadenough friends who were very

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passionate about differentgenres of music.
We all had this one thing thatwe all hated country music.
Um, yes, thank god yeah, so,like my buddy, so, so, so, like
cj was like the hard rock, theheavy metal, the stuff that
anyone would label air, quote,unquote, that screaming shit
yeah, he was like he was my.

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You know, he was the ferryman onthat journey.
He was my karan for that one umanother, my good friends, nick,
he kind of.
He showed me a lot more of like80s bands because of his
brother, his brother's a littlebit older than him, and so
because of him I learned of Imean like starting to have just

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Ozzy himself, but I learned ofshit Sabbath, metallica, judas
Priest, pretty much any of theother rest of the 80s bands I
learned you know that's where Iwas first interested Motley Crue
, how Much Poison Sucks, genesisand so on.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
How Much Poison Sucks ?

Speaker 3 (10:17):
yeah, just from that one, I had one friend who was
like my guiding light, which Ifeel very fortunate, and yeah, I
don't want to say who was likemy guiding light, which I feel
very fortunate, and yeah, Idon't want to say blessed,
because that just sounds likebitch.
But you know, I'm very, verythankful that I have plenty of
people in my life who are justas passionate about music and we

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all just kind of learn fromeach other.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Yeah, I will say you have.
You have definitely given mesome music to try and listen to
for the first time.
Oh, we're just getting started.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
We're just getting started.
There's a bunch of bands Istill don't understand because
they're in different languagesthat I love.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
But I know that you would very much appreciate them.
I can't even pronounce theirnames.
Oh, that's nice.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah, so what do you think kind of defines you?
Now, I mean, I think I know theanswer to this question, but
I'm curious to see what you say.
Is the music that, I guess, themusic genre that defines you?

Speaker 3 (11:22):
The genre that defines me, the one that I
listen to the most resonate most, or all of it?
Um, I guess depends on whichgeneration you ask.
Because, like I said, becausepeople would say rock, hard rock
, heavy metal, that screamingshit, anything that kind of
falls under that umbrella.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
So I think that I think the big umbrella, like if
you were to cut into what islike the, the five main, four or
five main music groups, has tobe rock is what?
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, same.
I think I mostly listened torock, alt rock Well, they call
it alt rock now.
In the 90s it was alternative.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
It was alternative.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Heavy metal.
But I will say I seem to gothrough sometimes these weird
phases where all I want to do isjust soak up some film scores
or classical oh yes, was likejust soak up like some film
scores or classical, and then,like I go through these phases

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where I just want to do nothingbut 80s or 90s, or you know,
I'll pop, yeah, yeah, I just.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
But rock is what I always, always go back to yeah,
it's, it's definitely the, it'sthe, it's the safety, safe, it's
that home.
And what's funny is thatthere's so many.
He's like what are youlistening to?
I listen to rock music.
I listen to metal music.
One of my friends was trying toexplain to them that it's not
really easy to just define hegoes what, and all I thought of

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was the scene from Forrest Gumpwith Bubba, and I did it in his
voice.
What is black metal metal, slammetal, thrash metal?

Speaker 1 (13:10):
like and.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
I just went and I think I named off like 30
different types of genres ofmetal.
There's new metal, old metal,new school, old school.
You can pan fry, stir fry, deepfry.
I just went and they were like,okay, we get it.
Glam metal, hair metal, blackmetal, power metal metal, metal,

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metal metal.
There's uh viking metal, there'sgoblin metal, yeah the fuck is
goblin metal to my knowledge,there's one and only one band in
Goblin Metal, and that is theband Necro Goblikon, and a lot
of the music is just it's justmetal, kind of what you would

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expect.
It's exactly what you'd expect,and they are awesome.
They're fantastic.
I love them, bastards.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
I think I saw there.
It's like metal jazz or jazzmetal.
Have you ever heard that?

Speaker 3 (14:14):
That I have.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
That is some wild shit.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
It's fun, isn't it?
Because it's like I thinkwhat's really interesting is
when you get like a metal band,not so much like jazz metal,
because it's funny, because youget like that fun like finger
snapping, foot tap tapping, likejazz sporties, swing club kind
of music, but then there's likea filthy breakdown in the middle

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, which is great.
Yeah which is great, yeah, butwhat's really fun is when you
get like people who are.
You get some musicians that aretrained in certain ways, like
different type of styles andtechniques, and then they bring
it to a different genre.
So at least one of the onesthat probably hopefully a lot of
our listeners and anyone with afunctioning brain um hater to

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love it here's one of thosebands.
I guess that gets a lot of hatenow, um avenge sevenfold oh
yeah their lead guitarist is a.
His main um style, his pickingstyle is playing style, so he's
a jazz guitarist.
He's a jazz musician, um, buthe plays for avenge sevenfold.
So a lot of his like arpeggiosand a sweet picking and the

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tremolo picking and the dive,his, the infamous dive bombs
that he does, that's all jazztechniques, it's all jazz work
and he throws it into a hardrock heavy metal band and it's
gorgeous huh, I'll have to goback and listen for that.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
It's probably just one of those things.
It's layered and you don'tthink to listen for it oh yeah,
oh yeah, oh for sure.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Oh, it is, it's not.
It's incredibly well hidden,and that's one of those things
Once you see it or once you hearit, you can't unhear it, and
then you're just mad at yourself.
How the fuck did I not hearthat?
How did I not pick up on that?

Speaker 2 (15:59):
You get so mad at yourself for it.
So what do you feel like?
I know like I have certainartists that I go to all the
time and these are kind of likeI don't know.
They just feel like home um andI know you know what I'm gonna

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say, for my first one is uh,sleep token.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
I was about to say it's like can I guess?

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
No.
I can't see that, which, which,which uh before you uh start
going.
I will bestow my many thanksupon you for introducing me to
that band.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Or at least finally, you know uh, figuratively
holding a gun to my head and sayfucking, listen to them.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
I was like all right, fine, yeah, but I think I got
you with the lore.
When I told you about the lore,I think that was like you were
like fuck yeah, I gotta checkthis out now, Because any band
with a lore.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
Anything with lore.
I'm telling you anything withlore.
You give me the story, that'soh.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Anywho, go ahead, tell me about sleep token, tell
us yeah, oh my gosh, I thinkthey're just like this once in a
generation band, right?
I think you know, in 30 yearsfrom now, people will talk about
them the same way that peopletalk about, like, the beatles
and the Rolling Stones and PinkFloyd and some of these people

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and bands that were so iconicand redefined genres.
And that's the thing was Godyou're gonna.
This is this is why we're gonnago on for like two hours.
It's all because of sleep token, um.
But no, what I love so muchabout them is how they just bend

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.
They bring so many differentstyles of music, um, and it's
hard to define what they arelike.
I have seen them listedprobably 20 different ways.
I I just love, like how theyit'll start slow and you think

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it's like this nice littleballad and then all of a sudden
you're hearing.
You know jazz being brought intoit and and then all of a sudden
you're just.
Your face is like just fuckingmelted by some kind of magical
hardcore breakdown, and I knowyou had that moment recently

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with.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
There's video proof.
There's video evidence thatexists.
I was genuinely.
That was my honest to Godreaction to the, and that wasn't
me playing it just because Iknew people were like looking,
but that is exactly how my face,how my body reacted to that and

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it was just.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yeah, infinite baths.
Yeah it's, you know, it's agreat fucking name too, like
that's.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
that's another thing too, like just to kind of
piggyback now that I have tosupport you this one, but I'm
fucking going to, is that youalmost don't know what you're
going to get from this band,because if you look them up, if
you look, if you were to googlethem right, if you've never
heard of them before, you Googlethem right now you're going to
see them and you're like what inGod's name am I going to listen

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to?
It sounds like you're going totake like a bunch of kittens,
throw them in a blender withlike a bunch of washers, nuts
and bolts and just hit, frat pay.
That's what you think you'regoing to get this band, but you
don't.
And then, even though it's not,it's nowhere near like as heavy

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or like brain numbing, intenseor whatever, but like even just
um emergence.
It starts off so like sweet andmelodic and there's that
beautiful piano in the back andthen the singing and then how it
just goes, and then there'skind of like that it almost
feels like it's gonna take likean edm turn, which is that

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repeating arms around me.
So okay, and you're kind offeeling, your you feel the they
literally change the timing ofthe song.
The song starts in quarters andthen it goes to no.
It starts in like.
It starts in like halves andthen it goes to like quarter
something.
So you feel the the beat change,the timing changes with that
part and then exactly, and itjust, it takes it, it just.

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I wouldn't even say it's like ait's, he's.
I don't say he's rapping thelyrics, but there is a flow to
it.
There is a sort of swagger tothe way he delivers the second
half of the song and with likeit's same thing.
It's it, it wants to be.

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It has edm physical sounds toit, but the timing and the pace
of like of like a new metal song.
You know what I mean yeah, thenit yeah, and then it's same
thing and then it kind of hasthat.
You get the melodic singing andit's so nuts, how, like I said,
in just one song you put likefour or five genres, three
different timing changes andthey look the way they do.

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It's nuts, it's just yeah,exactly like you said.
They, without a doubt, will bea band that they will talk about
.
Now I know we're gonna get hatefor me saying this one.
I apologize if it, I'm not.
You know people always get madsaying I'm comparing them.
This one are saying they'rebetter than them, so on and so
forth.
But yes, I definitely seepeople in 20, 30, 40, 50 years

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time reminiscing about them, howwe reminisce about queen and
bowie and the beatles and thebands that that took a genre and
completely turned it inside out, flipped it on its head.
I really think they have.
I not just the genre, becauseyou can put them in plenty of

(22:03):
different ones.
I think they have brought theirown strain, mutation, whatever
fancy word you want to use tojust music in general.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
I almost feel like they've created their own genre
in a way.
They've done so much.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah, and there's so much yeah, and and there's so
much emotion, and I mean in, in,if you kind of like even want
to get technical, just in, likehow they fucking layer songs.
I mean every song is justlayered to perfection they're

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like onions layers, layers.
I am absolutely fascinatedright now with um the drummer
who was vessel two or two um,but I do this thing with music.

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After I listened to it like overand over and over, I will pick,
like my ear will pick up on oneinstrument and like I'll try to
follow that one instrumentthrough the whole song.
Do you do that, or am I theweird one for doing?

Speaker 3 (23:21):
that no, no, no.
So I'll million, a millionpercent do that.
So you know there's people whoare.
Are you a music person or alyric person?
I get asked that all the timewhen people find out how much
ever they care about music, andI was like it depends, some
songs one will stick out to memore.
But if I have to put it, if Ihave to, if you want me just

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completely generalize it, I'llsay I'll listen to the music
first, because then I will goback.
I will like, obviously I'lllisten to the whole song and
most of the time I'll pick up onsome of the lyrics here and
there.
But as I'm going back and ifI'm reading the lyrics, I'm
really listening specifically tothem.
It'll go.
But, um, I will always, even ifI'm paying attention to the

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lyrics, if there's one part that, uh, if there's, if there's a
specific um note or riff orbridge, like I said, or just
instrument in general, if it'stickling my ear hole just the
right way, I won't.
I will not, not let, no matterhow hard I try.

(24:26):
Um.
A more recent song that Iabsolutely love, recently
released, shout outs to ghost umpeace field, the little riff in
the beginning oh yeah it's.
It's like the.
It's like the main riff of thesong, that very first part.
When they do the chorus, youknow they have that first verse

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slash intro due to the chorus,where it's just the guitar
playing in the background andthey have the singer having his
line or whatever.
It's just the two of them.
That fucking riff plays in myhead nonstop 24, 24, 7, 3, 6, 5,
nights and weekends.
Bitch, it does not.
It does not stop because it'sso well crafted.

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It's not necessarily like a Idon't say it's not like
difficult one, but it's justlike it tickles the ear hole
just right that my braininstantly just mellows yeah oh,
it's and that's the.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
that's the great thing about sleep token, though,
is like I would say I'm I'mfirst a music person.
I will always like the musichas to touch me, and then I'll
go back and read the lyrics.
But the lyrics that this manwrites, I mean, I mean he, his

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lyrics are right up there withHozier, and there's so much,
there's so much emotion to it.
Um, and there's so much,there's so much emotion to it.
It's just oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
I remember the one from the other night that I was
trying to think of.
That's just stuck in my headall the time.
I remembered it.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yeah, what is it what ?

Speaker 1 (26:18):
was it.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
You know the behavior .
Canines of the Savior.
Um, oh, something to theLegionion, something to the
legion.
Chaos to the chaos.
Uh, trauma for my neighbors.
Glory to the legion.
Trauma for my neighbors.
I don't know what it is it,just it flows, oh, it flows so
well.

(26:39):
I'm just like, oh, it'sgorgeous I'm excited to see them
.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
I know I've been telling everyone this, but I'm
so excited to see them inconcert.
I cannot believe that I amgoing to be able to hear some of
these songs live and just seethe performance and just soak it
all in and I'm kind of like,yeah, I mean I'll have my phone

(27:07):
and I want to record it, but Ialso just kind of want to live
in the moment.
So it's, it's really kind of umdo me a favor.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
Do me a favor, please , for the love of God.
Do me a favor.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Don't record anything , don't, don't, don't.
As soon as is doing it, as soonas they start playing, as soon
as they take it.
You can take all your picturesand your videos before and also
the fun stuff.
Oh, my god, we're here, can'tbelieve.
I'm here with this bestie, thisgem, my rock.
I do all you want the second,the light cut and you know that
band is coming on.

(27:38):
You take that phone and youturn it off.
You put it.
No, exactly that it experienceit, be with it, like take, take
all of it in.
All my friends and family theyget pissed at me when I go to
concerts that like they wantedto go what?
You didn't take any pictures.
I was like no bitch because Iwas living.
I'm sorry I want to sound likea fucking boomer here, but like

(28:00):
I am so fucking there, I, I amengaging with it, I am
experiencing all of it.
If you really wanted to go thatbad, you should have got a
ticket.
Like all love and respect.
Like you can go YouTube amillion other videos.
You don't need my video, yeahtrue, I'm here for it.
So I don't want you to record ortake one goddamn picture.

(28:23):
I need you to be present withevery fucking second of that
concert, please, and thank youyeah I'm so fucking serious.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
I know that there are a few songs that, if they do, I
will probably like, if they do,the offering.
It's my hands down, my all timefavorite song.
I think that was the song thatI told you to listen to first.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
That was the very, very first song by them I ever
heard.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
I love that song so much.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
I probably will lose it at that, at that um, if they
open with even in arcadia, whichI I think that they will,
because they've teased um thatintro and then they've released
the sheet music to it yeah, so I.
I can't imagine them notopening with that song.

(29:22):
But if they do open with that Ialready told Beckett I just
will break down and start crying.
There's no way that I'm notgoing to cry at this.
I can't say concert it's aritual.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
A ritual?
Yeah, no, I just yeah.
No, you're preaching to thefucking choir.
You're preaching to the goddamnchoir on that one.
That's what man, music is.
Just you know.
I think that's one thing.
That's whatever we talk to you.
I don't know if we had in ournotes whatever, but like
memories it's, I think some ofmy favorite, some of my favorite

(29:56):
moments I've had at concerts.
It's not even like the actualconcerts at some, obviously it
is, but but when I'm with people, that I mean if I am with like
loved ones, you know, experiencethis.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
If.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
I'm with someone that I even remotely give a shit
about.
It could be the person I metstanding in line.
If I'm talking with them andthey've told me and I can see
their insane excitement for thisband, I hope they play this
song and so on and so forth, andI'm just like, all right, cool,
and they start playing thatsong, I immediately look for
that fucking person.
I need to see that.

(30:33):
When I'm with someone and I'mseeing it I love seeing people's
favorite bands with them andhearing their favorite song or
what they want, because I knowwhat it does to me.
I need to see it for somebodyelse.
I really really do.
It's like I enjoy seeing thatjust as much as actually seeing

(30:54):
the band and experiencing theband and music and being there
with all of it.
It's just, it's one of thepurest joys you can see.
It literally is the most, yeah,the most concentrated joy you
see is a child on christmasmorning.
Chocolate chip cookies likegood chocolate chip cookies, you

(31:17):
know what I mean.
Like that first bite not, it'snot like yeah, no, I mean, even
the chips are.
Why, if's always your favoritecookie, man, it was like a
perfect truck.
We're not talking about food,talk about music, and they're
all tied, like I said, and andwhatever it is.
Whether it's it's a song, justseeing the band doesn't matter,
but someone at a concert, theirfavorite band, their favorite,

(31:39):
whatever it is, and themexperiencing it because there's
such an emotional andpsychological release that
happens, whether it's good, it'sbad, it's different.
It's whatever, it is, whateverthey need um something such a
bonding experience it is.
It is because, uh, it's because,it's because it's another one

(32:02):
of the I'll fight to any, I'llfight anyone to the end of the
times that it's another one ofthe most primal and basic um,
pre-wired program.
Whatever you say, it's like wedon't know anything, but we know
how to like breathe and lookand like all that shit is humans
and we know.

(32:22):
I had a middle.
My middle school music teachersaid this and this shit stuck
with me forever.
Shout out mr ben, for when youlisten to this, um, it was like
the first day of music class.
He's talking about you, justhow it's a lot of the same thing
, you know, just how passionatehe's about music for him, and so
on and so forth.
He was like oh, music's, youknow how old it is, you know,

(32:43):
they see, and so on and so forth.
He was like oh, music's, youknow how old it is, you know,
they see, you know, you knowthere's things of like ancient
Egypt and they had music thenand they had an ancient this and
they had an ancient that, andthen that's what he said.
He goes like when you, when youare first born, what is the
first thing you do?
He goes the exact second thatyou are in the world.
What do you do?

(33:03):
You cry.
So what is crying?
Crying is this one, it's vocalcords, it's straining, it's this
and so on and so forth.
He goes like I forgot whichfancy pants scientists went and
they broke it down.
He goes like when you make thatnoise, when you're crying, your
body is making music.
He goes before you wereanything in the world, you were
music.
He said that and I damn near mybrain shat its pants and I was

(33:27):
just like that's it.
Music is the most importantthing in the world, absolutely
the most important thing in theentire world, and that shit has
stuck with me to this day.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
And I will die believing that.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Oh, you got me with that one oklahoma, oklahoma,
where the sun comes sweepingdown the plains and the weather
winds.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
No, he, I like, I said he's.
He's a middle school musicteacher and he said before you
were anything in this world, youwere music.
And I was like you know what?
Do me a favor, go fuck yourselfit.
Just it broke me in the bestway, yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
Cause I already really gave.
I I already fucking loved music, and then he said that and it
became my soul.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
God, I mean, and you know you and I, you know we're,
we're both parents and you knowyou remember that first cry and
holy shit, that's.
That's an emotional stringright there, like and it's the
second.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
The doctors put my girls and they put my girls in
my arms.
I just my immediately that thefirst thing, the second I felt
their warmth touch my arms.
I I start singing.
I started, I started humming asong, some whatever my body was
feeling, I started humming somesong.
So yeah, so my very, very firstchild.

(34:51):
When the doctor put lumen in myarms, I started humming um,
somewhere over the rainbow.
I keep forgetting thegentleman's name, but the, but
the big hawaiian guy, his coveryeah I started humming that and
singing that song and that'sthat's.
You know, when she's when she'shaving difficulties, when she's
having difficulties like tryingto go to sleep, whatever it's

(35:11):
like, when she was crying likecrazy, trying to calm her down,
nothing was working.
I would just pick her up tokind of bounce her and I would
just kind of hum the song boom,it would shut her right down
yeah she would.
She would calm down, she'd becool if she's having a rough
night.
She's really scared, so, likewe had a storm the other night,
she's.
I was laying with her and shesaid papa sing the rainbow song.
So shirt and shit startedsinging that one for her.
Um, as soon as the doctors putum a second daughter, my arms

(35:35):
put juniper in my arms.
I was singing, um.
I always forget if he actuallywrote the song or if he sang it,
whatever.
Um, I started singing elvis'swelcome to my world instantly.
Oh, I don't, my body just reactswith music yeah just always,
I'm not, I'm nowhere near asinger, but some type of a hum,
some type of I can carry a noteyeah children, just instantly,

(35:58):
something just hits me so for,for maddie, it was always you
Are my Sunshine.
There you go.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah, when I was pregnant with her I kept
headphones on my belly and Iwould play all kinds of music,
but I played a lot of classicalmusic.
Geez, I wonder if that makesclassical music there you go,
Geez.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
I wonder so much makes sense about her now so
much makes sense?

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Well, I'll tell you a funny story about you.
Know you're just talking aboutyou.
Know you come out, you come outand your first cry is music.
And so she I don't know wasmaybe like a week old.
My brother had come up to seeher and meet her for the first

(36:55):
time, and so we were allgathered around, you know, for
dinner and you know she was inher like little bassinet, and
she started.
She started getting like alittle fussy, I mean, you know,
and so I went over and I put theCD that I played.

(37:16):
It was, it was like babyclassical music, um, baby
classical music, and um, as soonas I turned that music on, she
turned her head toward the musicand immediately settled down.
And my brother I'll neverforget, like he just looked at

(37:38):
that and he was like I'll bedamn, he was like I, I that was
just the coolest thing that weall got to witness like she
recognized that music you know,and yeah.
So I mean, music just is sopowerful and I I'd like, I'd
like to think that the reasonshe's so into music, um of I

(38:05):
mean she was literally developedthrough music.
You know, um like the firsttime I ever felt her kick, I was
at um a symphony and they wereplaying the?
Um music from West side story,and it was like the rumble scene
.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
I was gonna make the joke where it was.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Just like I'm sitting there rumble too well, rumble,
and they were playing that musicand I felt her flutter for the
first time, and so we've justalways like even you know we say
it was it's always been like meand her against the world Right

(38:52):
.
And uh but it's just that music, Oklahoma, Oklahoma, Oklahoma.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
Yeah, it's just it's nuts.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
Like I said, it's just.
I mean all right, yeah, cool, Imean we can go to the fuck, we
can flip the script.
All right, we're talking aboutthis really nice music.
You know we can go super sadwith music now if we'd like no
god no let's just, let's justthrow it into the flag.
Nah, but it's.
But.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
But yeah, exactly so yeah, concerts are special and
you know I I've missed so manyopportunities to see like I have
always wanted to see the foofighters um in concert and I
swear, every single time I'vebeen in a position to like

(39:38):
something happens um.
You know the last time I had umVIP tickets to see them up in
Pittsburgh and you know thegreat tragedy happened um with
their drummer.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
And so of course didn't get to see them.
But like, like the neighborhoodreally loved, the neighborhood
Always wanted to see them.
Of course they break up, yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
So I'm like you have actually one of our beloved
listeners and friends, teresa.
She either she took she tooksomeone before she took, like a

(40:29):
nephew or something like that,before they broke up, or she's
taking her son now that they'reback together.
Either way, she's going to seenine inch nails and I'm like
jealous as fuck, oh wow, because, like because they're back
together now, because he waslike I'll go see them they break
up, god damn it.
That's like I'm going to seethem.
Fuck, that's awesome god, I canremember being little and seeing
the closer video for the firsttime I feel like, I feel like

(40:54):
for our generation, it was likeokay, how did you, how did you
first hear that song?
Yeah, I feel like everyone hasa closer song you first hear
that song.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Yeah, I feel like everyone has a closer song, but
like that video I I know we'rekind of getting off the topic
here, but that video really wasand still is like it is wild,
but it's so fascinating.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
It's disturbing and fascinating and dark and I mean,
you're just describing the band, you know that right yeah oh,
they're, great anyhow yeah, nothere's all those I, I, I.
I'd like to think I've I'vebeen very, very lucky to see

(41:39):
some musicians that I have.
Um, it's just by the grace ofGod that I got to see Linkin
Park with Chester.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
It was the one time.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
I saw them.
I got to see in the same nightmy Chemical Romance open for
Linkin Park.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
I mean like okay.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
So actually on the card was All American Rejects
Plain White Teas.
Uh, afi, um, yeah, yeah, afi.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
And then went my chemical romance and then linkin
park.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
It was like an all-day thing.
Wow, it was yeah, and this waslike right after.
This was this was right afterblack parade came out.
This, this was the tour theydid before.
They did like their blackparade tour.
Yeah, so this was like height.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
And I know that you recently got to see your
favorite band in the whole wideworld.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
I was trying to talk about that because I'm trying
not to cry, but I did.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Hey, I got all of my fields.
It's your turn.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Okay, all right, you got your feelings.
Okay, you went on your rant onsleep token your emotions.
So let me dump my purse aboutbullet for my valentine judge,
if you will.
I don't fucking care, I lovethis band.
Shout outs to my amazing wifefor getting me the greatest gift
anyone could have ever given me.
Uh, it was tickets to the.
Uh, to that, to that concert.
We went earlier this.
We went middle of last month.

(43:06):
We went and they have been myabsolute favorite band for 20
years Technically, a little over20 years because they released
like an EP.
Remember when bands wouldrelease EPs?
They released like four or fivesongs like as like a mini album,
as like a teaser, instead ofjust like drop them as like
singles.
You would just drop a teaserinstead of just like drop them
like singles it's.
You would drop a whole buncheither way and then they would

(43:28):
finish those songs, but whatever.
They first dropped the hand ofblood ep, which had the songs oh
shit, hand of blood hit thefloor, suffocating in a word to
sorrow.
I think tears was on that andthe poison was on that.
I think those were like theirfirst five songs that they did,
but whatever.
And then they've released thealbum the Poison 2005.

(43:51):
Yeah, the very, very first songI ever heard by that band was
Her Voice Resides.
It's the first actual song.
You know, this was also whenbands put like, okay, the first
song is like the intro and it'sjust like a 45 seconds, like a

(44:13):
minute and a half, likeinstrumental, which they did
with apocalyptica which they didwith apocalyptica, by the way,
which is badass.
Um, so then the song her versusher voice was the very, very
first song I ever heard by thatband and I was instantly fucking
sold and I just had to hearit's that one.
And I was, I was sold on themcompletely.

(44:34):
I didn't care whatever theywere selling, I was buying.
I have seen them every singletime they've played in the U?
S.
They're based out of Wales.
For those of you who don't knowa bunch of Welsh lads, um,
they've played in the us.
They're based out of wales.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
For those who don't know, a bunch of welsh lads um.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
I've seen them every single time they've come to the
us for the past 20 years I havenot missed a tour, I have not
missed a show.
Oh, wow, yeah, a massive likeoh god, that that album is.
So it's it's like a specialtour it was, yeah, it was, it
was the 20th it was the 20thanniversary of this album.
So it was their very first album.
It's 20 year anniversary ofsaid album.
It's like the 20th anniversaryof the band, really, when they

(45:15):
just have that a band and, um,they played it cover.
So it's just, I can tell you Ican probably write out every
word, every note for each.
I can play every song off ofthat album on every instrument

(45:36):
that that band plays.
I've learned every square inchof those songs, inch of those
songs I can tell.
I can take you song by song andI can tell you times that I've
listened to that to make mehappy, sad, indifferent, pump me
up, mellow me out.
I have an insanely deepconnection with that band, but
with that album specifically.

(45:57):
And anyone who doesn't knowthat band, they're the band who
gave us the song tears don'tfall.
Just just so much, just so muchof my life is from that, just
from that band.
Not just that album.
But but it was.
It was the very first.
One of their songs was the veryfirst song I ever played like

(46:18):
with, like a garage band, like.
It's like the first gig we playlike outwards, the very first
song ever played in a band on astage was a bullet for my
valentine song.
One of the very first modernsongs I learned to play on
guitar was a bullet for myvalentine song.
The very first song I everlearned to play on guitar was
paranoid.
We'll get to that in a minute.
Um, two people who are massivelyuh to blame uh for music, for

(46:45):
for my love and passion formusic is first and foremost my
father.
Because of how he's beenplaying drums for 50 years, over
50 years now, in and out ofbands, this and out of bands,
that music is all because of myfather.
I would not enjoy music as muchif not for him, but then so he
just kind of like music is athing.

(47:05):
And then one of my incrediblyclose friends, jake, rest in
peace, big homie.
He was the one who, like helike, honed the edge of like the
genre that I love and like mylove for the.
He's the one who introduced meto both my Valentine and all of

(47:27):
that, and the very, very lastsong that him and I ever learned
to play together, um, on stage,uh, was the song the last fight
by both my Valentine off theiralbum fever.
Oh that is one of my.
Even before um, even before hepassed um, that song was already

(47:52):
very, very near and dear and II love that song.
It resonates with me very, verymuch and it's just a badass
song, um, but now I hear that Ialways think of him.
I hear that song.
If I'm home and I hear that song, I listen to it twice One to
listen to it and then two I haveto go grab my guitar and I have

(48:13):
to play along with it.
If I have a guitar by me, Ihave to physically play it.
And I can't even begin todescribe the emotional release.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
I have when they play that song live.
I can't, I cannot, oh it's gotto be intense.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
My younger brother's.
The very first concert myyounger brother went to my wife
and I took him to.
This was when I was back livingin Connecticut.
We took him to Boston.
It's called the BritishInvasion Tour.
They had Asking Alexandriaopening for Bullet For my
Valentine.
They played that song abouthalfway through.
It's about halfway through.
They're playing that one andthey did this badass thing.

(48:56):
They don't do that much anymore.
They did a little talking heycan you?
guys help me play this next one.
Yeah, alright, he took thedistortion off the guitar so it
just sounds like it's playingclean, sound like it sounds like
an acoustic.
And they'll play like anacoustic version the first, like
verse and like chorus of thesong, and then you'll just hear
the hi-hat count in and thenthey'll pull and then they'll

(49:16):
just fucking kick you and justplay the song and oh wow it's
just it.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Uh god, it's it's an entire.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
It's just it got it's .
It's an entire.
It's almost like an out of bodyexperience for me.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
It really is.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
That song means so much, that band means so much,
that moment all means so much.
And when that song was over,they played the last note and
then they cut it and, like thelights go, my legs literally
gave out from underneath,literally gave out from

(49:48):
underneath, and I just, I waslike I was man, meet me.
And I got my armor, my youngerbrother, we're jumping, we're
singing every word of the song,we're just like having time of
our fucking lives, on and soforth.
The song cuts and when I tellyou, like a light switch, my
legs gave out from underneath meand I start bawling like a
fucking two-year-old oh god,oklahoma, oklahoma, oklahoma.
It gets me every, every singletime, every single time, but I

(50:11):
just I can't.
That song is, it's yeah, thatsong, that band, just all of it
just means so.
So goddamn much to me.
And so the fact that-.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
How many times did you cry at the concert?

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Oh, God, I think just twice, like actual cry, cry
once, but I teared up twice.
So I teared up as they're doinglike their little as like the
intro is playing.
Because the very first time Isaw this band um it.

(50:50):
Like I said it was band, like Isaid it was almost 20, like I
said it was over 20, it wasabout 20 years ago when I saw
this band and I could justremember just being that, and
the person I saw this band withthe most was my friend Jake Same
thing because it was hisfavorite band too.
So it just it was.
It meant so much to me Likeseeing this band.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
And this album with with my wife, because music, I
feel music.
She may not be as vocal aboutit as I am, but music has just
as much of a role in her life asit does mine.
Like, like that was our thing,we went.
I do so many concerts.
We were the, we were theconcert.
Like that was our thing, wewent.
I do so many concerts we werethat, we were the concert
buddies every single one we wentto, we went to every warped

(51:35):
tour together.
We, we, man, we would lie to you.
We still found a way to go toconcerts.
When we were working three jobstrying to save for and pay for
our insanely expensive wedding,we still found time, for you
know, to go to shows, to go toconcerts, so on and so forth.
That mean that that was us, itwas the best thing for us and
that was the first we've been tofuck, I think, since we've had

(51:58):
kids.
Just us, just the two of us.
It's been a long time since thetwo of us go to a show so it
meant so much to be there withher to experience that it was
just yeah, it was veryoverwhelming.
So it's there, I'm just likeyou know, it's the band's
getting ready to come, she's,it's a whole, it's.
It was a lot um yeah so I tearedup then and, um no, it's great,

(52:21):
I will fun fact you saw thatconcert on my birthday I did saw
that concert on your birthday.
Yeah, that was something.
Fuck me, man.
The song I cried to was thevery first song I learned to
play by them.
The very first song I played onstage was my friend Jake's

(52:45):
favorite song by them, gun tothe head, favorite song in the
whole entire world with thelovely title suffococating Under
Words of Sorrow.
Oh God, I love that song,though, and it's insanely easy
to play.
It's just the same thing.
The riff just goes the time,the pacing, the song.
It shows up, it fucks you everywhich way to Saturday, and then

(53:05):
it's out the door in like threeminutes.
It just shows up, fucks andleaves.
I love it so much.
Yep, there's no yep, it is allabout it Fucking love that one
man.
See, I cried.
I cried with that song, criedwith that one, with my whole

(53:25):
chest.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
Not like sobbing and weeping on the floor, but tears
came out of both eyes Right,right, yeah, yeah, I think chest
not not like sobbing andweeping on the floor, but tears
came out of both eyes, right,yeah, yeah, I think that's good.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
I think you know that's.
That's the power of music ithas the ability to bring out so
many different emotions, um, andwhatever, whatever you're
feeling in the moment, likethere's a song to match that oh
you know, and it's just, I hadmusic.

(53:54):
It's just, it's.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
It's such a sacred thing as one artist, I if I'm
going to tell you this quote andif you don't know it, you might
be shocked with who said it,because I know when I first
heard what um music is, the it'slike music is the strongest
form of magic, or music is themost powerful form of magic,

(54:18):
something like that I would saystevie nicks said that nope,
gonna be something like mrrogers or some shit no, no, it's
a musician.
It's a musician late 90s, early2000s.
I wants early 2000s.
I want to say Late 90s early2000s.
I want to say they started late90s.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Man, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
That was Manson.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
Really.
Marilyn Manson said that yeah,you know, I could see him saying
that, though Honestly, I can'ttoo.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
I can't too.
He gets a bad rep for like hismusic and his personality, but
um he's wildly um intelligentand yeah, in tune with.
He doesn't get enough creditjust like because of his persona
, because of his music, becauseof it.
But honestly, some of hislyrics and whatever his music is

(55:09):
very, very well crafted andwell written.
He is.
He's a very, very intelligentum artist, for sure.
Uh, that I just like said so,he'll, he just yeah.
So when he said that, I waslike really I wasn't shocked,
but I was surprised.
I would definitely say I wassurprised when I heard that
Either way.
So I'm going to ask you a funone now.

(55:30):
Okay, what song or songs wouldyou say are your soul mirrors?
Which ones, which one or onesresonates with you?
Or is this an Oklahoma topic?

Speaker 2 (55:46):
No, no, I have a few that.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
Good, because so do I .
So I don't feel bad having morethan just okay, yeah, yeah, you
want to.
You want to go you want to goshot for shot.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
You want to yours, I'll do mine uh, I'll throw out
a few, and then you can throwout a few okay so I one that um,
oh man, this is going to be anOklahoma moment, but it's um
better together by Jack Johnson.
So that is mine and Maddie'ssong there you go.

(56:23):
And so it just uh, she evenbought me, um, like when she
moved out and went to college,she got me this big poster of
the lyrics and I have it,oklahoma, where the sun comes
she's just crazy, but I have itup over my work desk and anytime

(56:46):
I just feel like I need to, orI'm thinking about her, I can
just look up and see that, butshe so like Jack Johnson, just
in general.
So she, she was, I don't know,maybe three when the Curious

(57:07):
George movie came out, and soshe would always get in the car
and she would always say, likeum, george monkey, music mom and
so it was yeah, george monkeymusic and so it was better
together upside down.
Um, yeah, I think another one isin the mystic by van morrison.

(57:32):
Um, I can put that on and Ijust immediately feel like it
does something for my soul likeit just, I don't know.
It's just.
That's such a beautiful song.
You, I would hope you wouldknow that song right.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Okay, Um, I really like, um Billy Joel, Um so just
in general, just Billy Joel.
I like a lot of hit, a lot ofhis music, but like um, this
song moving out and Allentown,there's something about those

(58:14):
songs that I can put on and itmakes me happy.
And then I will quit for thisround with Slow Dancing in a
Burning Room by John Mayer.
Do you know that song?

Speaker 3 (58:35):
I do, I do.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Yeah, that song I mean, yeah, man, it's the guitar
part that I just that littleriff that he does in the
beginning One of the greatestguitarists to ever pick up the
instrument.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
I'll say it.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
Unbelievable what that man can do.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
Honestly, he does.
Just stop singing, just playyour instrument.
Oh my God, yeah, insanelytalented guitarist.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Yeah, yeah, he really is.
And have you, have you everseen like he's a?
He's a genius lyricist.
I saw an interview once withhim and the guy challenged him
in like I want to say like 20seconds.

(59:35):
He had like a verse mapped outin his head just from his
conversation with this guy.
It he really is just kind of amusical genius, I think I know a
lot of people don't like JohnMayer, but I love him oh yeah,
for sure so I'll shut up now andlet you go.
Oh no you're fine.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
You're fine because I'm not sure which of my
personalities wants to go first.
I'm so happy when you said youhad different ones.
I feel like we kind of had thesame thing and it was really
hard to even narrow down tofucking four songs, but just
songs I feel really resonatewith different, I guess, parts

(01:00:17):
that make me me if that doesn'tsound too hippie and open to it,
so we'll just out the gate,just have fun with this one.
Um.
Battle of the heroes, johnwilliams oh yeah people will say
duel of the fates.
People will say, um, I keepreading the actual name of it, I
just call it the harry pottertheme.

(01:00:37):
People will say all sorts ofothers.
I will say that his miss crownjewel is probably star wars wars
, but his masterpiece is battleof the heroes.
Because just, I mean, just fromfrom a movie standpoint, just

(01:00:58):
the emotion that was going intothat scene alone oh, for sure
built up to that scene.
Yeah, alone was intense andeveryone says music makes and
breaks scenes.
Well, you want to talk about aperfectly, a perfect scene and
the perfect score to it.
Quick little squirrel note onthis one and I'll bring myself

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back in.
It was.
It was something.
It was celebrating, like his.
What like his 90th birthday islike, because he's super old
it's like his 90th, like his95th birthday or something like
that one.
Uh, I saw this little likedocumentary or clip of an
interview he did or somethinglike that one.
It was like, oh, somethingabout his writing process.

(01:01:40):
No, it was before the last starwars movie.
It was, it was right before thelast star wars movie.
It fell in line with thatanniversary or something like
that one.
And, uh, someone was asking himabout how he does it and does
the, the music and so on and soforth, and this blew my fucking
mind.
One, this man hand writes allof the music with a pencil and

(01:02:03):
sheet paper, blank sheet paper.
He writes, he writes oh, wow,one, two.
This is a superpower I wish Ihad.
The music is the last thingdone.
For any movie that he's a partof, specifically Star Wars,
every Star Wars, the music isthe last thing done.

(01:02:24):
The movie is filmed, it'sedited, it's heard, he sits, he
watches the movie with no musicand what he feels is right for
that scene he does.
I'm like, oh, wow the fuck outof here, sir john williams what

(01:02:45):
what this man watches aessentially a silent movie or a
silent scene in a movie, andthen what he feels is what he
puts, that I I'm gettinggoosebumps right now just saying
that like yeah oh my god.
But yeah, battle of the heroes,bringing it back it, because I

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know a lot of it's, if anyonehas picked it up, on the
episodes I've been on here I'vegot some problems in the attic,
you know, and so it's.
I kind of hum that song tomyself if I'm having like a
rough day, kind of likestruggling with I don't know, I
guess, anxieties, if you willLike there's that.

(01:03:29):
I don't want to say the good andthe evil, but I call it the
rational and irrational parts ofmy brain.
It's that struggle that's goingback and forth, the light and
the dark, the good and the evil.
You know, whatever it is thatsong just it just honed it out,
though it doesn't necessarilyend it the best way.
As long as I always have thehigh ground, I always make sure

(01:03:53):
not to underestimate my powers,though how many more times, but
it just it's exactly what it is.
I feel that that song reallyincorporates, encompasses that,
because there is the beautifulorchestra, but then the just the
deeper.
You get what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
It's light and dark and it's fantastic and it's
beautiful.
Yeah, so that one just kind ofhelps out with that one.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Yeah, I mean man, john Williams, I mean, he's a
master.
He's a master.

(01:04:49):
You know, I often think thatthe composers that are doing
film scores, you know theclassical greats.
They were writing music foroperas, in plays.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Well, movies are just operas in plays.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
There are modern day operas in plays.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, so John Williams certainlywill be one of the greats
greats, I mean, he already isone of the greats he is, he is
the great and and I would saythat I um, thank you for saying
that because I've always kind offelt that I was like this man
needs to be put on the samelevel as beethoven, bach and the

(01:05:27):
rest of them that I don't know,but truly, because it is an
orchestra, he is a composer, heis leading, he is the same thing
.
It's just oh, because it's fora movie and it's not Now get
bent.
He has just as much fuckingtalent as the rest of them and
he can fucking hear.
So suck it.

(01:05:47):
Beethoven, yeah, he has all ofhis senses that we know, that we
know of like I said the man isin his 90s it's true.
True, I'm just kidding, don'tdon't, don't hate me, don't
don't be mad at me.
I love you anyway.
Um, this next one.
I'm not going to go too deepbecause you know there's a story

(01:06:08):
behind it.
There is an insanely talentedmusician by uh the uh.
He goes by the name of miracleof sound and it's he, just he.
He has his own music that hejust kind of does, that he just
thinks of, but a lot that hedoes is that he he's a big nerd,

(01:06:28):
like I am.
He loves video games and moviesand so on and what have you,
and he writes his own originalsongs that he feel would fit in
that one.
Well, he wrote a song for thelike norse reboot of god of war.
I called it ode to fury.
I listened to that song onetime and it will stick with me

(01:06:52):
for the rest of my life, andthat's all I'm going to say
about that yeah, yeah um, but itis an incredibly.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
Yeah, I stopped myself before I have an oklahoma
but yeah, I was gonna say, I'mgonna oklahoma you before you
even get started.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
No, no, no, I'm good, I'm good, the song's not
playing.
I'm good, all right, but umyeah yeah, any, if anyone
listens to that song you've, ifyou go through it, if you're
going through it, if you've gonethrough it.
Yeah, I, I recommend it.
But no, you're not actuallyfunny enough that one more on
here is actually you'll get to.

(01:07:27):
I don't know if I want you tolisten to the song before you
get to this part in the game orif if I want you to, like me,
not know the song's existenceuntil you get to this part in
the fucking game.
But it was originally written,written, written.
Jesus, it was written.
It was an original piece for myfavorite game in the whole wide

(01:07:50):
world, red dead, redemption 2,and the song is called unshaken
and the song is that's just.
Yeah, like you, I leave itcompletely up to you, but I also
don't want to like, oversell it, like, oh, I want to do this
and be surprised.
Like him, no, do what you want.
Well, listen to the song.
Listen to the song.
But yeah, the song is about, youknow, determination,

(01:08:13):
perseverance.
You know everything sucks aroundyou, just placing your feet,
throwing your shoulder down,standing strong and soldiering,
the fuck on the main.
You know, it's in the uh, yes,it's, it's the chorus and some
of the first um words in it um,may I stand unshaken, um,

(01:08:33):
against the crashing world,against the crash of worlds.
You know the old, the new, whoI was, who I am, who I want to
be, um kind of thing.
It's just, you know.
You know, at least, what itfeels to me of a thing is that
like to remain who I am, whetherit's deep down, or if I have to
change to become someone new me, you know, don't let it falter

(01:08:58):
me and stay true, to like who Iam and who we are or who I want
to be no matter how mucheverything else changes around
me, I will not change which itfeels like a new kind of outlook
on life I like to have becauseI feel like I had, I feel I did
a lot of that throughout my lifeyeah and then finally, just you
know, standing up.

(01:09:18):
Is that enough is enough?
Kind of like this, is it?
If you like it, hey, I'mheading this way if you don't
fuck off, kind of a thing.
So it was really right rightyeah, so that one's really like
I said there's.
It's one of my favorite partsof the game because you the song
just plays and you can justlike hold the travel button and

(01:09:40):
it's like it's its own musicvideo, it's.
It's awesome, so you get tolisten to the song.
It's, it's.
Oh, I love it so much.
It's about halfway through thegame, either way okay yeah, and
then one more, and I'll shut thefuck up at this part.
Um, is this desire by pj harvey?
I think it's the artist.

(01:10:00):
I don't know if you're familiarwith that artist or song or
whatever it is it is in the showkiki blinders, which I
absolutely love and adore.
Um, that's for a specific partof my brain, a specific part of
yeah I feel, um, you know what?
I don't think I give a whole lotof details about that one.

(01:10:22):
Go ahead and listen to thatsong and make your own judgments
of why I chose that one.
How about that?

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Yeah, I will definitely listen to it and give
you my notes on that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
It's a specific feel good.
I love it yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
Do you have some more ?

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
Oh no, that was the four songs of my soul mirrors.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
Hmm soul mirrors.
Well, I did want to mention,speaking of like soul mirror
songs, that I've recently had anew one that I can add to the
list, and I don't know why Ididn't add to my list.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
Can I guess can.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
I guess can, I guess go ahead and guess what am I
going to talk about?
I?

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
I don't know if I I always feel like I don't
pronounce it right, so I'm justgoing to say it's from the band
Ghost.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Yes, yes, yeah, lacrima.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
Lacrima, it is Lacrima.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Yeah.
And yeah, that song.
When I first heard it, I willsay that was.
It was a very, very likespecial moment.
I will always remember the daythat I heard that song, and you
know why um how much details arewe allowed to give?

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
I want to be, I want to be respectful you know, oh
yeah, no, no, not that type ofdetails, but we can at least
tell the people when you heardthe song that's public knowledge
.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
Well, I heard it when it, when it dropped on its
release.
You were part of the firstpeople.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
It's release moment.
You listened, you were amongstthe first to listen to it yes
yes, and it was on your birthdaytoo.
It was on my birthday.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
Yeah, we'll shout that out.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
See, we had massive musical moments on each other's
birthdays this year High five tous.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
High five.
I'm like high fiving you rightnow.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
Just go on about the song.
It's okay, just go on.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
Yeah, yeah on about the song.
It's okay, just go on.
Yeah, um, yeah.
So.
So this song, I like I said Iloved it from the from the very
beginning, but the more I likelistened to it and I kind of
went through like a little bitof a rough I say a little bit of
a rough batch um yeah yeah, itwas.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
It was like it was just a lot where the sun um, but
I I'd listen, I'd listen to thesong.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
I went for a drive and was listening to the song
and I was like started pickingup on some of the lyrics and I
was like I think, and I thinkthis song is about trauma and um
, so I you know, when I came Iwas actually staying with my

(01:13:23):
daughter, I was down inMorgantown and I came back and I
got the lyrics out and I readthem and I just like just
completely fell to piecesbecause I thought this is, this
is my theme song.
Now, you know, and and now whenI'm kind of in a dark place, I

(01:13:46):
can listen to that song and itgives me, it just gives me so
much power.
I guess I want to say and thatsong has been such a gift to me

(01:14:15):
felt compelled to like want towant to write or tell you know
an artist, what that's, what asong means to me.
But holy cow, like this song,it, it.
I feel like and I know this issounds so cheesy and cliche, but
in a lot of ways this song songsaved my life.
It just helped me, helped meput a, put a spin on some things

(01:14:36):
that that I needed, I needed tothink about in a different
light and it just really helpedme kind of get over that hump
that I needed to get over.
And I cannot listen to thatsong ever in the same way Like I
like there was a.

(01:14:57):
There was a way that I listenedto it before the epiphany and
then after epiphany.
But yeah, that that song, shooand it, it just means so much to
me.
God, I mean honestly, what atime to be alive when we've got

(01:15:18):
songs like Lacrima from a bandlike Ghost, and then we have
Alkaline and just a litany ofsongs like from a band like
Sleep Token.
I mean, what a time to be alive.

Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
Yeah, nah, it just yeah.
Now my little two cents on thatsong.
But I can't tell you how likeemotional and happy I was and
like insanely teared up fightingtears, when you told me how you

(01:15:58):
felt about that song and likewhat it did.
And that now you had something.
You now have your.
You know that you now have your.
Your two clips, your there'sGood in this World by Samwise
Gamgee, your.

(01:16:20):
I.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
Wish this.

Speaker 3 (01:16:21):
Never Happened to Me with Frodo and Gandalf Like I
literally fought back tears.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
I was so happy, I was so elated.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
So let's talk about, let's kind of do like a quick
back and forth on soundtrackmoments, yes, but like what's a
what's what's a song thatdefines a heartbreak for you
tuesday's gone, leonard skinneroh, that's a good song.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
Mine is my Immortal by Evanescence.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
Christ.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
Fucking Amy Lee.
God, what a voice.
So go from heartbreak totriumph.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
What's a song that defines triumph to you?
Crap.
I have a fun one.
Go for it, because I I didn'thave one for that one because
that's really hard for me tonarrow down oh, I chose.
Don't stop believing by journeyoh, fucking, kill me now, I
fucking love that song.
If I was stuck on an elevatorwith Hitler, that song and the

(01:17:41):
person who invented coleslaw andhad a gun with two bullets in
it, I'd shoot Don't StopBelieving twice.
I swear to God.
I'd shoot that song fuckingtwice.
I fucking hate that song.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Wait, I want to know what you have against coleslaw I
honestly don't.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
I don't.
It's just social media has beenagainst coleslaw.
I'm 50-50 on coleslaw.
It belongs in it.
Better be on my goddamn pulledpork, on my pulled pork sandwich
.
But we'll do a food episode onetime.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:20):
But yeah, no, it's just.
You know everyone's like fuckyou, fuck me, fuck Ernesto de la
Cruz and fuck coleslaw.
You know what I mean.
Like you'd see on the internet.
But yeah, I'm shooting, don'tstop.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
Twice, twice oh, I think it's just such a.

Speaker 3 (01:18:37):
It's a fun song for me I think it's a fun song for
everybody else around me now,because I fucking hate it so
much so I had in here like aquiet, quiet, sacred moments and
and I think I feel like we kindof touched on it a little bit
with, like the soul um albumsbut a little bit.

(01:18:59):
But when quiet sacred moments Ihad like same thing, it was
difficult.
We, we kind of touched on itLike it's a quiet sacred moment,
so I saw it as two.
I kind of went two directionswith that one.
So when I was thinking, quietsacred moments is that like very
intimate father daughter time,or you know, parent and child

(01:19:21):
time, so that was somewhere overthe rainbow and welcome to my
world, for sure.
But then I was thinking justlike, like something I would see
as like quiet and sacred.
It's like just that, byyourself, there's no lights.
Like, okay, the most preciousand pure, sacred moment.
If you will Picture this, closeyour eyes, if you have to, and

(01:19:43):
picture this for a second.
It's like it's the middle ofwinter If you live somewhere
that has winter and snow, sorryfor everyone.
Close to the equator.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
Columbia don't listen to this, just kidding.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
Either way.
But it's like two or threeo'clock in the morning, middle
of winter.
You have to, for whateverreason.
You get up in the middle of thenight.
You heard a noise in thebathroom.
You're just up because you'repast Either way and you just
like you get up to see.

(01:20:21):
You knew it was going to snow.
So you kind of pull the shadesback and you look outside.
And there's that faint reddishmaroon hue to the sky because of
all the lights.
If you live in like a city area.
There's that maroonish, reddishkind of hue to everything and
you see that it's snowing, notlike a blizzard, there's no like

(01:20:41):
hard winds, not an insane storm, but there's that nice,
constant snow that you knowthere was not going to be school
the next morning.
So you go to your window andyou either open the window, I
would go right to my, I wouldopen my whole ass door, I don't
fucking care, and I would walkoutside and the sound that you
have.
Then you, literally you hearthe crystals of snow hitting the

(01:21:06):
ground falling so gracefully onone another.
You hear the faint wind out inthe distance like that, that
such that subtle, not gust, justthat whisper of wind and then
just like the scraping of theice crystals across one another.
It's just tell me somethingthat is more quiet and peaceful

(01:21:27):
and perfect than that.
So I was trying to think of asong that makes me either think
of that, feel like that or forme, for whatever reason, is last

(01:21:49):
time that I was able toexperience that, like I had
those moments holding my chills.
What song, instantly, did mybody just start doing?
And I feel like I'm paintingthis picture of this perfect,
amazing song.
But it's kind of a downer, butit's anyone who's not part of

(01:22:11):
like I.
I don't know the specificculture, if you will, would
probably see it as a downer, butwhatever it is, I believe you
pronounce the band's name asWardruna or Wardruna, whatever
the fuck it is.
They're Norwegian, I want tosay.

(01:22:31):
I want to say they'rescandinavian.
Um, and it's their song.
Uh, same thing I, I.
I apologize if I butcher thepronunciation of it.
It's like hell given hell,gavin.
It's like death's journey orsomething like that one, and
it's oh wow.
It's essentially a song of asoul transferring into the

(01:22:55):
afterlife.
The lyrics I want to say theylike translate into um who will
hold me in the dark?
Who will hold me when it's allgone, when it's so cold, so cold
.
I want to say that's likeroughly translated to.
It's like the first lines ofthe song.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
Oh wow.

Speaker 3 (01:23:11):
But but it is like I said, it sounds like it'd be a
very doom and gloom kind of songand you kind of get the vibes
of it.
It ends up being like theacceptance, if you will, of like
the acceptance of death.
It's a part of life, like theend, the end song kind of builds

(01:23:33):
up and then the music stops andthen he a chant, he speaks
words and I want to say it's thesame thing.
It like translates to life ispure but not eternal.
All things die, warriors die,cattle die, the gods die, but
reborn anew, or something likethat.
So so it is so kind of we talkedabout back on, like our myths,

(01:23:54):
one in norse mythology inscandinavian.
There's a lot of that birth andrebirth and that, yes, death is
unfortunate, but there also isthat creation's totally fine,
there's acceptance to it.
So that is that quiet, sacredsong, sacred moment that I think

(01:24:21):
I have, I feel I think about um, because it's one, it is a
quiet and morbid thing thinkabout.
Is that?
Because it, because I feel thetwo of them go hand in hand that
moment that I think of thatpeace and quiet and the serenity
of the cold night in the middleof the winter they literally

(01:24:41):
call it the cold march in thesong and so on and so forth.
So it just they kind ofresonate with one another, go
hand in hand, I don't know,maybe I'm just more than fucked
up.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
But if you haven't, I mean we're all fucked up, right
.

Speaker 3 (01:24:55):
Yeah, but come on, it's you and me we're talking
about here, it's me we'retalking about here.
If you haven't heard that song,I cannot recommend it enough.
Just that band in general,really.

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
Yeah, I think Oklahoma.

Speaker 1 (01:25:31):
Yeah yeah, I think yeah definitely some.

Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
I think, when I think of like these quiet, quiet
moments I tend to lean into moreof like very specific film
scores, that that I just leaninto and love so much.
One of my all time favorites isfrom that Batman begins.

(01:25:57):
It's and I'm probably going tobutcher, the name of this is a
testicus and I, I can't, andthere's been so many times I've
just put my headphones on andjust cranked that song up and
that song is just so emotionalfor me.

Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
I just love it so much.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
One of my other favorite composers is Raymond
Jawady, so he did all the musicfor Game of Thrones.

Speaker 3 (01:26:32):
Beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
But Light of the Seven.
That's one of my favorites inProtector of the Realm.
So that's from House of DragonI.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Lean Into Across the Stars by John Williams.
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
God, no, why did you yeah across the stars, god?

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
well, I'm going to, and then my all-time favorite,
and this is going to be anoklahoma moment um is time from
hon zimmer, which is from themovie inception.

Speaker 3 (01:27:16):
Yes, yes, yes, yes that song.

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
oh, I could probably listen to that song a million
times and never get sick of it.
Um, um, it's, it's just so good, and you know, I typically
don't talk about personal stuff,but so my daughter is very
talented musician, um, so sheplays violin and viola, and um

(01:27:46):
last summer in Augustust she hadan opportunity.
Well, she earned an opportunity.
So she was one of eight violas.
Yeah, she did right.
I want to give her all therespect she deserves.
But, um, so she was one ofeight violas picked worldwide to

(01:28:08):
go to LA and do a studiointensive at Warner Brothers,
and so they're putting togetheran album of, like different film
scores and I think the album iscalled Hollywood and it's from

(01:28:29):
the LA.
Oh, I'm going to butcher whatit's called if you want to look
for the album, but I want to say, like the LA FCIO or something
like that.

Speaker 3 (01:28:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah .

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
But one of the songs that they ended up recording and
made it on the album is time,and so they had a thing where
you could buy the, the record,um, before it hit um streaming
services, and so of course youknow I bought the album and I
can remember, because this songmeans so much to me, um, I can

(01:29:13):
remember getting that album andyou know, of course, opening it
up and and there's her littlename, write it right on the
album and, uh, you know hearingthat song uh, oh.

(01:29:34):
Oklahoma where the sun comes,sleeping on that place, knowing
that she's part of that ensembleplaying that song she is.

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
She is now sorry to cut you off, but she is now
officially a part of that song'shistory.

Speaker 1 (01:29:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:52):
Like she recorded it Like, not just like with some
friends that threw it ontoYouTube.
I mean she did that.
Technically she's a part of it,but like it's there, it's
recorded.
There's an album that was soldto Warner Brothers.
It's there, it was licensed, itwas everything Like legally she
is a part of that song'shistory just as much as she is a
part of that song's history,just as much as she is a part of
your history.
Yeah, oh my God.

(01:30:13):
Oh, Oklahoma with that song.

Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
Yeah, I was going to say twist the knife a little bit
more.
But, I just I mean I probablycried for two hours Because you
know, as a parent, you havethose moments where you think
this moment, my heart could notbe any more full, you know.

(01:30:37):
And then you have like anothermoment and another moment and
you think there's no way that myheart could keep getting full.
I'm sorry wrong movie, but yeahthat.
That was one of those momentswhere I just felt so much pride
in her and her talent and heraccomplishments and, like she,

(01:31:02):
she had to audition.
She accomplished this.

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
This was, this was huge I remember you telling me
about this.
However, I either don't recallwhich, which is a very high
possibility, or I don't know.
If you told me I didn't knowthat she was out of the world, I
knew she had to audition.
I don't know If I was a bettingman 10 minutes ago, I would

(01:31:27):
have said that it was out of.
You know, either just theapplicants or out of like, just
like the states.
I didn't know.
She was one of eight from thefucking world yeah, I mean they
had I mean it was from theapplicants.

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
It was from the applicants, but they had
applicants, but they acceptedthem from all over the, but they
accepted them from all over theworld so yeah

Speaker 3 (01:31:49):
I don't want to rain on anyone's parade.
Please by all means correct meif I'm wrong in a very
constructive way.
How many violists are there inthe US?
You know what I mean?
I have a feeling that that typeof music and those type of
instruments are I don't know.
I feel like I don't know.

(01:32:09):
It doesn't feel like a veryunited statesy kind of thing, so
like other countries that havedifferent roots and ties to that
style of music, typing justthat instrument in general.
Um, you know, like you know,it's like, oh, it's just like,
out of all the applicants, yeah,but, like I said, how many
people are okay?
Yeah, okay, she's, so she's oneof.
You know.

(01:32:30):
Oh, they needed eight of them.
Well, there's seven of them inthe US.
So what, they've literallytrained the last one.
You know what I mean, but like,out of the whole world.
that's insane, that's fucking.

Speaker 1 (01:32:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:40):
That's unbelievable, holy.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
She's so talented.

Speaker 3 (01:32:53):
And she has great taste in leather goods and belts
.
Just got wow, man.

Speaker 2 (01:32:55):
You know she does fucking great, even from other
orders.
One of these days, I will sayone of these days, I, I would
love to have you and her have aconversation, because even
though she plays classical music, um, she's quite the metal head
.
Music, um, she's quite themetal head, and you have no idea

(01:33:16):
how.
Here for it, I fucking am.
And she could.
She could wax on for days abouthow classical music and metal
music are so closely tiedtogether um and you know, like
she's a music, she could go intomusic theory and all of this
stuff.
But she could go into musictheory and all of this stuff,
but yeah, you two would just belike I'm here for it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
You have no idea how?
Here for it I am.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, it always cracks me up because
she's so like she knows allthese great composers, but she
is like this, like metalhead.

Speaker 3 (01:33:53):
She just I see I'm literally envisioning it right
now.
She's just like driving on thestreet Right, just like
listening and I don't know.
Like I said, I only know liketwo, I only like two classical
composers.
So she's got like Bach playingor something like literally just
like on her fucking you know,you know, like on her spotify
play this, or the hell if shelistens to it, or things like

(01:34:15):
now it's just like bach.
And then right after that it'slike everybody's fucking in the
ufo by fucking rob zombie comeson next year.

Speaker 1 (01:34:20):
I mean it just like goes back and forth like I
thought mine was fucked up.

Speaker 3 (01:34:24):
Going from like 90s and 2000s like hip-hop to like
disney songs, to, like you know,cradle of filth, but like I
think going from like beethovento rob zombie would be an actual
mind fuck one thing I did wantto talk about and I know you're
kind of a sci-fi nerd I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
Did you ever watch battle star galactica watched?

Speaker 3 (01:34:48):
Battlestar Galactica.
Bears Beats BattlestarGalactica.
Yes, I have seen that, so.

Speaker 2 (01:34:53):
Bear McCreary, who has done a lot of scores for
gaming.

Speaker 3 (01:34:58):
Yes, he has, absolutely has.

Speaker 2 (01:35:01):
But he did all of the music for Battlestar Galactica
and this was, I remember,reading, that this show was
groundbreaking in the fact thathe was able to turn music into
one of the characters and they,they just kind of ran with that

(01:35:22):
Um, and so there was, like thisclassic theme of um, the shape
of things to come withPassacaglia, um, but those
became like exactly the Shape ofThings to Come with.
Passacaglia, bless you.
But those became like exactly.
But you know, it's just so coolthat you know you have this
show that literally made musicinto a character.

Speaker 3 (01:35:45):
So I just wanted to do a little shout out to that
Made it a person, if you will.

Speaker 2 (01:35:49):
Yeah.
So what do you listen to whenyou're going out?
You're needing to get pumped up.
You're going out with your bros.
What do you listen to?
To get all pumped up for it fora night out.

Speaker 3 (01:36:03):
I have one.
I'll see if I can find it inthe video and I'll send it to
you.
I would love to use it as likeone of the promos for it, but
there's oh yes, it's a night out, which we okay.
So it's like a night out orlike we're partying.
It's a night out, doesn'tmatter.

(01:36:24):
The answer is pretty much thesame yeah it is let's go trick
daddy, featuring little john,these side boys, and they have
that lovely little score.
They have that lovely little.
Uh god, whatever, they usecrazy train to it there's a

(01:36:52):
video that exists.

Speaker 1 (01:36:54):
It's like it's me.

Speaker 3 (01:36:58):
Oh shit, it is.
It's like me and my younger.
It's me and my younger brotherdriving he's.
We're making I think we'remaking a packy, for those of you
uncultured swines will fuckingknow what that means.
It's going to the alcohol storeto go get alcohol.
We're making a beer run orsomething like that one.

(01:37:19):
I forgot what it was, but itwas after I had moved.
I want to say it was after Ihad moved.
It was one of the first times Iwas back home and being with
him.
We're already're so we'realready just like on cloud nine,
because you know we're just,you know we're back together,
we're hanging out, we have agood time and this song is
jamming and it's just too.

(01:37:41):
I don't know what people maythink I look like if they don't
know what I look like fromsocial medias and so so forth.
They're from the promos andalso the kind of fun shit.
Me and my brother.
If you look at us, we arestereotyped white boys, damn
white boys, gringos, if youshall.
And to the two of us I meanjust like bumping and blasting

(01:38:06):
Trick, Daddy slash, lil Jon andEast Side Boys, just like let's
go, let go let's go, man, we arejamming the fuck out.
Um, it's funny as hell.
I love, I love that video, butthat song turns.
I just I'm turned all the way.
The fuck up doesn't matter.
What do you mean?
To be turned up for?
You need me to go from zero to100 homie, real quick, real,

(01:38:28):
real quick, real quick.
Yeah, put that song on.
You need me to go from zero to100 homie, real quick, real,
real quick, real quick.
Yeah, put that song on.
You need me to go fightsomebody.
Put that song on.
You need we're gonna party anddrink all night.
Put that song on.
You need me to have energy, putthat fucking song on that.
Or if we're just gonna partyall night long, I'm gonna put on
party all night long by wizKhalifa.
I love that.

(01:38:48):
That song is very.
That song is kind of I go backto.
I go back to specific I don'tknow if I can say actually which
year it was, but it's a veryhumbling and nostalgic.
Whatever that song, just it'sjust, man, we're just gonna have

(01:39:11):
a good time man, we just have agood time man, we just we're
with the boys, we're with thegirls, we're with the goons,
we're just gonna have a goodtime.
We're not gonna like we're notgonna go out and like you know,
we're not gonna like cause riotsand like party too hard where
we're like breaking everythingand like destroying shit, but
we're just gonna have a goodtime and laugh and just fucking
get hammered.
You, you know, we're just goingto have a great time.
That's what that song is to meand so I'm not getting like out

(01:39:34):
of control, like pumped up, likelittle John Eastside boys would
do to me, but like I'm ready toparty, I'm ready to have a real
good time with that one.
That is essential.
About to go out and have a goodtime, song or not.

Speaker 2 (01:39:53):
No, about to go out and have a good time, song or
not.
I wanted to have theuncomfortable silence there for
a moment.

Speaker 3 (01:39:56):
No, you're good.

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
I mean God, I can see it, but I can't see it too.

Speaker 3 (01:40:06):
You can see the song or you just can't see me picking
hip hop songs.
Is that what it is?

Speaker 2 (01:40:20):
Yeah, the hip-hop songs.
I.
I know you had a moment, uh nottoo long ago, where you were
doing some rapping um, which Ifound hilarious, but okay so
yeah, secret time.

Speaker 3 (01:40:25):
That was not a part of this one and I don't care if
I'm pulling the audible anddoing it.
I don't know what it is when Iam completely by myself and I
gotta do hardcore cleaning of mylovely abode.
I will put on the songs that Ilisten to at my middle school
dances.
So it's like 2000, it's like90s and 2000s hip hop, rap, r&b.

(01:40:49):
I'm listening to shit like I'mlistening to ti young jeezy
outcast little john east sideboys, pd fucking pablo that's
right.
Middle school dancing pd pablofuck was wrong with us back then
, oh my god.
But like that's the songs I'mdmx.
Um, oh yeah, I'm listening tothat shit all night.

Speaker 2 (01:41:10):
That was oh, fucking dmx.
Rip love dmx rip.

Speaker 3 (01:41:14):
That was the very, very first album with swear
words that I ever owned so whatis this?
Song huh what are your pump upsongs?

Speaker 2 (01:41:26):
oh, my pump up songs.

Speaker 3 (01:41:30):
I really like the weekend ooh, the lights, the
lights, lights.
Is that what it is?
Whatever that song, I fuck withthat song yeah, I really like
his early stuff, though Icouldn't tell you, I think
that's like the only song thatone and I can't feel my legs,
legs is that it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:49):
I can't feel my face, that's right is that it Can't
feel my face.

Speaker 3 (01:41:51):
Face, that's right.
We made the version aboutworking out at the gym and
that's about like I can't feelmy legs when I'm in you to the
squat rack.

Speaker 2 (01:42:02):
Yeah, probably, you know.
Yeah, the weekend always is ago-to.
I don't know.
I have a tendency to go more inthe pop realm if I want to
really get pumped up aboutsomething.
Oh fuck with it.
Love Dua Lipa.
Anything that's just highenergy.

Speaker 3 (01:42:25):
Lil Jon and the East Side Boys.

Speaker 1 (01:42:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:42:31):
And I have my Beast bc boys, oh my god let's go, the
motherfucking bc boys.
Yeah hell yeah, which fantastic, fantastic documentary on them.

Speaker 3 (01:42:45):
On um apple gorgeous, if you ever get a chance to
watch that.
Dude, I fucking love.
Sabotage Fuck yeah, Okay, coolOkay.
What were you going to ask?

Speaker 2 (01:43:01):
No, I was going to ask what is a song that is
completely, just fuckingoverrated, but you can't help
but love it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:10):
Thriller.
I fucking said what I said.
I don't care, this is the hillthat's a good song it's
overrated as holy fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:43:21):
Overrated as ungodly fuck yeah, but it gets you, it
gets you, it gets you moving no,it doesn't you it.
You don't want to do the littleshimmy.

Speaker 3 (01:43:32):
I don't, I don't, but I cannot help but sing along
with it and recite the VincentPrice Darkness falls upon the
land.
The midnight hour is close.
I'm not going to do the wholething right now, but that is my
fucking go-to and a fun littlestory that I always have,

(01:43:53):
because I could never shut thefuck up.
Um, way back one of the day,when I was poor as shit when I
was I still am, either way Icouldn't afford an ipod, had an
mp3 player and I would.
I would put my, you know, I putmy little earbuds in, I would
listen to music as I'd go tosleep.

(01:44:14):
I'd take it, turn it on, popthem in and just go to sleep.
All my music.
It doesn't matter what it is.
And I had Thriller.
I had Thriller on it, but I canremember.
So I was at that point offalling asleep.
I would take it off shuffle andI'd let it play.
Start from whichever song andlet it play, and I knew the

(01:44:35):
order of my songs, and so I waslike one or two songs away from
Thriller, it doesn't matter andI was playing through and I was
at that drifting kind of bit.
I'm not in deep REM sleep yet.
I was in that drifting sleep.
I was listening to the music.
So I was kind of like half-assfalling asleep and I remember

(01:44:57):
like kind of waking up and Ijust hear that part of the song
going.
So I just so like, and my roomis pitch black and clear as day
in my ears I hear Vincent Brycefucking like talking in my ears
and I am absolutely scared whenI tell you it wasn't like a

(01:45:23):
sleep paralysis demon that likemade me go stiff.
It was just the fact thatthere's a pitch black room and I
hear this voice fucking talkingto me so creepily.
I was frozen with fear and I'mliterally like scanning the room
back and forth, back and forth,back and forth, and I can't see
anything.
And I was just like, and like Iwent to like kind of move back a
little bit and like I felt mymp3 player.

(01:45:44):
I was like, oh my god, that'sso funny.
You fucking idiot just likeclose your eyes and go back to
sleep.
I was like, oh my god, I'mlistening to music.
Oh, jesus christ, it's the partfrom thriller.
So I close my eyes and I goback to sleep instantly and then
how does the song end?

Speaker 2 (01:46:00):
doesn't it end with like a creepy laugh?

Speaker 3 (01:46:02):
spoiler alert vincent price laughing his ass off all
fucking demonically.
Guess what startled me out ofmy fucking sleep?
Oh my god, yeah, fond memoriesof that song, but it's in the
middle of a like a freddykrueger nightmare no, it's just
my own fucking nightmares, likeI actually.

(01:46:24):
You know, they didn't think itwas possible for a 16 year old
boy to have heart attacks, butsure the fuck enough.
I did.
Holy shit, man.
It was.
Oh, jesus christ.
I'll never forget that.
As funny as no matter how hardI hit my head, I'll never
fucking forget that oh no toosoon.
Too soon, but um yeah thatsong's overrated as fuck, but I

(01:46:47):
still love it and I respect it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
So mine is wannabe from Spice Girls.

Speaker 3 (01:46:52):
You shut, your Never mind.

Speaker 2 (01:46:55):
Yeah, no, no I mean I love it, but it's oh God.
The song is so fuckingoverrated.

Speaker 3 (01:47:01):
If there's songs that I'm, if there's songs that I'm
completely over, like if I neverhear them again, I can die
happy, but like I never hearthem again, I can die happy, but
like I still love them, I stillsing my fucking face off any of
those pop songs from the 90s,any boy band, any you know yeah

(01:47:22):
blonde that was on tv once,britney spears, christina
aguilera, jessica simpsonactually just all of them, just
every single.
yeah.
Whatever bullshit song, I loveevery single one of them.
Just every single pop.
Whatever bullshit song, I loveevery single one of them.
I will sing my face off.
I was hardcore Backstreet Boysfan.
Eat your heart out in sync,suck a dick.
But if I never heard anothersong by any of them ever again,

(01:47:49):
I'd be fine.
Yeah, but my day's not ruinedif they do come on.

Speaker 2 (01:47:56):
Yeah, it's a little bit of nostalgia a little bit, a
little bit so this is this iswhat I really want to get into.
Um, and it's.
This band is garbage and I'lldie on that hill.
So I really, I really want toget this out of my system.

Speaker 3 (01:48:14):
Do it, do it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:16):
Fucking Pearl Jam.

Speaker 1 (01:48:20):
Fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:48:20):
Pearl Jam.
I have never understood theappeal.
I can't stand it.
I don't like Eddie Vedder.
I don't like how he sings.
I don't like how he looks.
I don't like how he sings.
I don't like how he looks.
I don't like the band.
I hate this band so much andI'm going to die on that goddamn

(01:48:40):
hill there.
I said it.

Speaker 1 (01:48:44):
I got it out of my system.

Speaker 3 (01:48:45):
You got it.
Oh gosh, you feel better now.

Speaker 2 (01:48:51):
I do.
Good, good, I do.
I'm releasing it into the world.
First piece of mail willprobably be some kind of fucking
hate mail.
I can't believe you said thatabout eddie better no, it's
gonna be eddie better who writeshere.

Speaker 3 (01:49:04):
he goes, look, he's gonna go like, hey, what are you
talking about?
My band like that.
For what are you talking about?
We just have all the time, wewrite all the music and we have
a good time, right.

Speaker 2 (01:49:20):
So who's your?
This band is garbage.
You can't say garbage.

Speaker 3 (01:49:25):
I feel like the rest of the world copied me Not to
sound like that.
I can't say garbage.
Oh, the big garbage is thecow's garbage.
Ah, all right, fuck it.
Oh god, I feel like such afucking hipster, but like I've
always hated Nickelback um Idon't even know if it's so much

(01:49:46):
Nickelback.
Honestly, I just think they'refucking singers of a piece of
shit and it's like I really do.
I just think he's a fuckingpiece of shit and there's plenty
of stuff of him being a pieceof shit Like I just never liked.
I just never.
I'm sure if I really sit and Ithink about it, I probably could

(01:50:07):
think of a band that I there'sbands that I just like, that
there's bands that I just I justdon't like and I just don't
listen to.
But no matter how much I don'tlike a band, I can always find
at least one song by them that Ilike.

Speaker 1 (01:50:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:50:24):
I always, always, always, always, so like, so
Nickelback.
So I would have said I don'tknow if this counts, but they
have their song, how you RemindMe, but Avril Lavigne's cover of
it blows the original out ofthe water, so they no longer get
credit for that song.
She gets credit for that song,yeah, but they had this one song

(01:50:45):
.
They had this one song, lullabyyeah, that one grabs a very
specific heart string with meand I think it's a pretty solid
song.
I like that song a lot.
And the rest of their shit isjust like I don't give a flying
fuck.
I don't like Five Finger DeathPunch, I don't like Five Finger

(01:51:07):
Death Punch at all.
But same thing, I can alwaysfind one song by them that I
like, and I can always find atleast one.

Speaker 2 (01:51:16):
At least one well, you're a special little soul,
then yeah I, I fucking hatecountry music though I fuck I
fucking hate country musicshania twain doesn't count.

Speaker 3 (01:51:27):
Shania twain doesn't count.
You want to know why?
Because my mom said she doesn'tcount and I'm a terrified mama
right, I'm terrified of my mamayeah, she'll fuck me up no, I
remember.

Speaker 2 (01:51:40):
Yeah, shania twain she was.
She was all the rage there fora while but like oh god country
music oh no, I fucking hate it.
It can all go to hell.
There is more passion in rockand heavy metal music than I

(01:52:00):
will ever find in country music.

Speaker 1 (01:52:08):
I've had more passion moving my bowels than country
music oh no, no statement but,but, even, but, even, but, even.

Speaker 3 (01:52:19):
Even.
With that, I can still givecredit where credit is due.
If someone forces me to listento a song, for whatever it is,
um, I, I couldn't tell you whoyou guess the song, whatever it
is I will always listen to asong, anyone.
I don't care it's a country song, I don't care.
If, if I genuinely like andrespect you, you tell me listen
to the song, I will listen to it.

(01:52:40):
Um, my wife has family incanada.
We went to visit them last uh,last year.
She has this amazing cousin out.
She actually was born andraised in Ireland, not too far
from my hometown where my familyresides, so I love her to death
.
She thinks the greatest songthat was ever written in the

(01:53:01):
history of the world ever is thesong Tennessee Whiskey.
So I listened to that song andI was like you know what I fuck
with this song?
I don't know who this is.
I don't like the rest of thegenre, but this song, this is a
nice just yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:53:16):
I can get behind this .
Oh wait a minute.
Tennessee Whiskey.
Just relax and listen to thesong.

Speaker 2 (01:53:19):
Yeah, no, no, no.
That's a good song, smooth, Isit?
Chris Stapleton?
Sure, whatever you say, I think, I think, but that's like.

Speaker 3 (01:53:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:53:32):
To me that's like a bluesy.

Speaker 3 (01:53:36):
Yes, it's very bluesy .
I think that's why it's moreblues than.

Speaker 2 (01:53:39):
Yeah, I don't really consider that country.

Speaker 3 (01:53:42):
I will rip anyone's arm off and beat them to a, beat
their family to a pulp in frontof them and then them to a pulp
afterwards.

Speaker 2 (01:53:52):
If you say that johnny cash is country, because
he's not, well, yeah, I wasgonna say, like you know there's
, there's some like I guess youcould say old, old country that
you know.
It's just probably because Ikind of grew up listening to
that and you know Johnny Cashand all that.

(01:54:14):
But Johnny Cash is the country,so that doesn't count.

Speaker 1 (01:54:18):
Yeah, yeah no this new country.

Speaker 3 (01:54:23):
Ugh god it does piss people it pisses people off, and
it pisses me off a little bit,the amount of people who told me
that I'm a dead ringer forThomas Rhett.

Speaker 2 (01:54:39):
I don't even know who that is.

Speaker 3 (01:54:42):
He's a country person that I was shown a picture of
and I was like, holy shit, isthat me?
So I can respect it.
See it, it's.
It's pretty funny, um I have tolook that I couldn't tell you
one fucking song that man did.
He's a good looking man, but um, but, uh, I couldn't tell you a

(01:55:04):
fucking thing.
But it's just, it's funnybecause it's like I fucking hate
country music.
Well, you look like a prettycountry music singer, cool, I
don't give a shit.

Speaker 1 (01:55:14):
It's not going to make me love.

Speaker 3 (01:55:15):
It's not going to make me love country music, but
yeah, no, shania Twain doesn'tcount, cause I'm afraid of my
mom, but also Fuck, even ifpeople are getting my shit, it's
just the same thing.
It's that home for me.
It's because I know my motherloves it so much that it just I
can't help but think of anyShania Twain song.
It doesn't even matter, it justinstantly makes me think of my

(01:55:42):
mother.
Aww it really really does.

Speaker 1 (01:55:42):
That's sweet.

Speaker 3 (01:55:43):
I'm going to get really.
She's probably going to get somad at me for some specifics on
this one, but when I tell you ifthis was, this was a hilarious,
I found this to be like a funnymoment to me.
Honestly, I had a job not toofar down the road from me and so

(01:56:08):
, as you don't know, I don'tdrive because I got a busted ass
brain and I have to get ridesevery now and then.
Like you know, my wife's atwork I, you know, when I first
moved out here, you know it's Ididn't have.
You know, back back inconnecticut I had my family and
I had plenty of friends andfamily and everyone all over the
place I could, I could call 100people to give me a ride to

(01:56:29):
work and have that out here.
So found this taxi service and,um, shout outs to golden rule
taxi in kalamazoo, michigan.
You guys, unbelievable.
I think I've, I think I musthave used them well over two or
three dozen times over the, uh,the couple years that we've

(01:56:50):
lived out here.
Every single time, if I everhad, every single driver I've
had, they were the nicest, mostwelcoming, humble people,
absolutely phenomenal.
That's, they're not paying usfor this advertisement or
anything like that.
I just that's just my personaltwo cents.
They are a gold standard, goldstar.
I cannot speak highly enough ofthem either way.

(01:57:11):
There was just one specific dayI had to go to work.
Um, I was so homesick we hadlived that we had lived out here
for we were coming up on a year.
I want to say we're coming upon a year.
We'd been back a couple oftimes too, but I don't know it.
Just it was hitting me reallyhard this day.

(01:57:32):
I felt like I had missedsomething.
It was just a day.
I just woke up and I was justlike damn, I kind of miss home
and had to go to work.
So, you know, I called for thetax service.
They and this Jesus ChristOklahoma, the lady who comes and

(01:58:02):
picks me up, she had given me acouple of rides before.
Very, very nice lady, roughlyaround my mother's age, like I
said, said I was.
So I was just really just downand just missed home no I climb,
I climb into this way, likethey all.
They all drive vans, they all.
You know this is one of thethings.
I have vans, so I get in thiswoman's van.
My mom had a van.
You know she was the minivanmom.
You know she load everyone upfor this, that the other thing,

(01:58:22):
and so on and so forth, right.
So she's just getting thiswoman's minivan andivan and
she's cut back a lot.
My mom's a smoker and shesmoked.
This is a kid.
She smoked Marb Reds, hundredsbig motherfuckers, big baller.
Right, marb Reds, right, wow,gangster, I told you man.

(01:58:44):
My mom's a fucking gangster.
Marb hundreds non-mental reds,right, and I think there was at
a time of her life in your chest.
If you, if, if, oh, this one ofthese are the fucking gangster.
Um, there was a time I feltsame thing, just just for my

(01:59:05):
childhood.
If there's a time I was like ifmy mom like fell and she had
like scrape on her arm orsomething, like mama had a cut,
she would bleed diet coke.
Um, I just, I just it's sofunny because it's it's small.
Things like these aren't themost flattering things.
Like I said, my mom isdefinitely gonna beat my ass if
she listens to the episode.
I get in this woman's van.
I smell cigarettes.

(01:59:26):
I see she's got the pack in thecup holder.
It's a pack of Marb RedHundreds.
She's got a Diet Coke in theother.
She's got a bottle of Diet Cokein the other cup holder and a
little space between the frontseats are like the captain's
chairs in there.
My mom's a big reader.
My mom's a big reader.
Her favorite author is DanielSteele.

Speaker 1 (01:59:50):
There's a Daniel danielle steel book down there,
oh my god.
And then shania twain's umwhat's it called?

Speaker 3 (01:59:52):
oh, shania twain's still the one comes on playing.
When I tell you I get in thiscar, I hear the song playing.
I look around and I startfucking crying in this woman's
van as she's giving a ride towork, oh, man it was man it was,
and she just like she's roughlymy mother's age and just
talking, just like a couple oftimes, just talking with her,
just like she reminded me somuch of my mother, she really

(02:00:14):
really does.
Um, jesus christ, she was.
Just the song just kind ofstarts playing and she's
happened to like look backbecause you know it's like a 10
or so minute drive down the road, it's not like right next door,
it's a bit ways it's like a 10minute drive.
She happens to look up quick andshe sees me like wiping my eyes
, just like shaking my head orsomething.
She's like you, you know, makea small talk.
It's like you know.

(02:00:34):
It's like you know, hey, youknow, you, you okay trying to
make small talk.
I was just explaining that toher and I was just like listen.
I was like I was like I'mreaching this one, but I was
just like I, jesus, like it's sofunny, like how at home I feel
right now, and it just like Isaid I was fine, I saw
everything.
Like I said I saw I smelled.

(02:00:56):
I smelled the cigarettes.

Speaker 2 (02:00:58):
Yeah, it took you back.
It took you back.

Speaker 3 (02:01:01):
I didn't even have to see them, I could have told you
.
I knew what those cigaretteswere.
I saw the cigarettes.

Speaker 1 (02:01:06):

Speaker 3 (02:01:07):
I saw the Diet Coke.
I I knew what those cigaretteswere.
I saw the cigarettes.
I saw the Diet Coke.
I saw the book.
All that it was just.
But what sent me over thefucking edge was the music.
It was Shania Twain.
It was that song.
Like I said, it's not justShania Twain.
Still, the one by Shania Twainis on my Mount Rushmore of songs
.
It is yeah, gone to the head Onmy Mount Rushmore of songs.
It is yeah.

(02:01:27):
Gone to the head, that song,that is a good song, it really
really is it, just it.
Like I said earlier about theconcert I went to, I heard that
one song, literally just thatsong started playing and I broke
.

Speaker 2 (02:01:42):
You broke?

Speaker 3 (02:01:42):
Yeah, I'm fucking crying in this woman's van.
She's trying to take me to workat like quarter after six in
the fucking morning on like aWednesday and it's all snowy and
shit outside.
It sent me home so hard I waseight years old on the way to
like on the way home from schoolor like soccer practice or

(02:02:04):
something like that.
I wasn't the fucking 30 year oldschmuck that I am with my
problems in life and shit likethat.
I was eight years old.
You know, with my soccer stuff,like just whatever it was, it
was nuts, it happened in aninstant, it's just yeah, you
turned back into.

Speaker 2 (02:02:24):
You were just that little boy again yeah, did you
call your mom.
Did you call your mom rightafter that a?

Speaker 3 (02:02:31):
million percent did a million percent I called my mom
, crying my fucking eyes out ohI called my mother before even I
punched in and I still had sometime.
Whatever I have to call mymother, I call her and I was
crying my eyes and she was likewhat the fuck is wrong?
And as soon as I got my shittogether, I told her to have my
side just missed her and allthat stuff and like what?

(02:02:54):
And I explained it to her.
We were having a good laugh andshe's crying now too.
At this point she's like oh, Imissed you.
So it was just, and I wastelling her if we were laughing
about it.
I was like mom, I get in thiswoman's van, it's this one, it's
that one, blah, blah and so onand so forth.
And I was like and I was fine,I was just like.
I told her I was smiling, I wasgood, I had that stupid, shitty
fucking grin that I have.

(02:03:15):
I had the little smirk on myface those first fucking notes I
told those first notes hit andI just it all went to hell.
It all just yeah, no.
So, yeah, no it's.
I call my mother almostinstantly when I got to work

(02:03:35):
yeah so it's just like I said.
It's yeah, that's the, that'sthe, uh, that's a good story.

Speaker 2 (02:03:42):
That's a good story.
I'm sitting, I'm just.
Yeah, I know you can't like Ijust have the biggest smile on
my face right now, that's such acute story.

Speaker 3 (02:03:49):
Yeah, no, I have one with each of my parents.
Same thing, just music, andwith both my parents.
Like I said, we ah shit, wejust keep digging the grave.
Fuck it.
You know it wasn't perfect.
You know my parents did theirbest yeah, um you know there's a

(02:04:12):
lot of, there's a lot ofparents do it.
Definitely, definitely wasn'tperfect.
You know it was some stuff waspretty rough.
We go through our very rough,some insanely rough patches yeah
, but I know there's also peoplewho had it much worse but,
still um, but there was alwaysgod.
I mean, if you couldn't guess,that was one of the constants,
there was always music in amatter like how pissed off I was

(02:04:38):
at the world and my father forwhatever he did.
Like I said, I owe shit, I, I,I owe so much of my love and
knowledge of music to him.
Because if you were, oh, whatdoes so-and-so do?
What does your mother do?
What does your father do?
Oh, not their job, what arethey like?

(02:05:00):
He goes.
I say my father's a musician.

Speaker 1 (02:05:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:05:05):
And very second is like an avid fisherman or an
outdoorsman.
So I would say but, but, but amusician is the first thing I
said, because he's played drumsfor half a century, over half a
century, um, and just it's alegacy it's a legacy that
they've passed down and that's.
It's really a beautiful thing itis, and so it's like he.

(02:05:27):
So, like, no matter how pissedoff I was with my father, at my
father, whatever the hellhappened, moody teenage shit,
whatever music is always whatcalmed me down and it would just
.
You know it's following thebreadcrumbs back to it.
It was just like I wouldn'tlove or appreciate music without
my father yeah so it alwayshelps, whatever.

(02:05:49):
It's like yeah, it did.
It doesn't fix everything.
It's not like oh man, we hadthis massive, horrible blowout
and I just heard a song, oh,instantly.
No, it wasn't.
It took some time, but it wasalways music that got the ball
rolling yeah towards whatever itis.
It's just it was one of those.
But yeah, I'll try to keep mystory with my father shorter.

(02:06:11):
But, um, some of the uh, the,the very first, the very first
show that I played on a stage,my father came to.
Um, it was, it was nuts we hadjust had, we had just had.
It was on the.

(02:06:33):
It was on the back side of oneof our infamous quote unquote
aggressive negotiations, if youwill uh, huh um, it seems just
whatever the hell, it was, justwhatever the fuck like this,
this, uh, this venue was inliterally the basement of a

(02:06:54):
house, like they converted itinto a venue.
It was literally the basementof a house and, um, I think
we're playing.
You know, we're playing a crowdof like 10 people, including
the bandmates, family membersand significant others, right so
?
We're so we're just about.
So we're.
Yeah, like I said, we're, we're.
I'm what, maybe 20 years old orsomething like that one

(02:07:17):
probably like 19 20 years old.
You know there's.
You know there's, there's,there's my girlfriend, there's
the other guys.
I guess you know the otherdudes in the band.
It's their girlfriends or theirparents, or you know there's a
little bit of a crowd for thebands that are going on later
after us.
But yeah maybe 20 people total.
Um and uh, shirt and shit, manit was.

(02:07:41):
It was just, but, like you know, my mind was ready for it.
Like you put me on the stage,you put my, you put my guitar in
my hand, I, I, everythingsuspends.
I literally hang everything upand I'm completely different,
just in the music, playing musicright and it did it, nothing
mattered about what it was doingmy thing, you know, really in

(02:08:04):
my element, just having a greattime with it.
Right before we were about theword, we're literally there and
like the singers that you knowthe singers there was talking
you know, we're making sure allit's set.
We're about to give thecountdown.
It's, it's, it's almost stupid.
Like, it's a cliche, shitty,like movie that was written
literally right as we're aboutto start playing like our first
song, my father comes walking inand, uh, this is, this was the.

(02:08:26):
This was the very first time heever saw me play like on, like
on stage oh wow, you know we,you know, play in the garage.
Like he was a drummer he wouldplay, so I'd learn some of the
songs he you know the bands he'dlisten to.
He up there playing his drums.
I would just go.
My amps were up, all myinstruments were up there.
I would just go up there, youknow, plug in and turn on and
we'd play along yeah, great timedoing that, but that was the

(02:08:50):
first time he saw me, as hewould put it in my element, if
you would yeah um, like I said,god, it was like it was either
earlier that day or it was theday before.
I hadn't spoken to him, I thinkit was the night before and I
hadn't spoken to him all daylong and we literally, like you
know, it's like I was stillliving at the house, like we had
breakfast, like we sat next toeach other, didn't say a fucking
word, like all that kind ofstuff right, yeah, yeah he

(02:09:14):
showed up to the show, um, and Ijust played.
I could just remember justseeing this, this.
I just, I, just god, I couldjust remember seeing his face
the whole time, his face thewhole time I'm playing.
And he's just, he's like a kidon Christmas.
He fucking hated every band andevery song, not our versions of

(02:09:35):
it, but just you know, hedidn't really get into my music.

Speaker 1 (02:09:38):
Right.

Speaker 3 (02:09:40):
But just he was like a kid on Christmas and finished
playing ahead of you know, so onand so so forth, whatever the
fuck it was.
And we were done and um, Iremember, yes, we were done.
You got stage.
I was like on a fun stuff, youknow, girlfriend comes running
over big hug and kiss and oh mygod, blah, blah, blah, so that

(02:10:02):
kind of fun stuff, you know.
Then dad comes over and um'mlike okay, someone's going to
say something.

Speaker 2 (02:10:11):
Right.

Speaker 3 (02:10:13):
And he just gives me this, he just gives me this
massive hug.
He's giving me this huge hugand it's one of those very, you
know, it's just one of those big, it's an embrace.
It's not a hug, it's a fullembrace.

Speaker 2 (02:10:27):
Right right and.

Speaker 3 (02:10:28):
God, I hope I can think hard enough.
Big it's, it's an embrace.
It's not a hug, it's an, it's afull embrace, right, right and
um, god, I hope I can think hardenough.
And like he said it before this, but I think that was the first
time my father said that he waslike proud of me oh and, like
he knew, common ground it reallywas, it always was and it
always will be, no matter howmuch we disagree on everything.
Um, yeah, music is, is it?
And I?

(02:10:48):
Just, I remember the otherthing too, you know.
No, they said that he was proudof me, but it was just like I.
That was a very interestingtime in my life where I had very
different um career choices.

Speaker 1 (02:11:02):
Right.

Speaker 3 (02:11:03):
And slightly in between, um, he said listen,
what you're going to do, you'regoing to do what you want to do.
You want to do it's.
You know it's what I'm yourfather.
Whatever you choose to do, ifyou're shoveling the smell of
last week's shit into the wind,if you're happy, I'm happy,
something like that.
You know some hardcore fatherlyadvice yeah if you're happy, I'm

(02:11:25):
happy kind of yeah, yeah buthe's like, but I'll say this um,
he just like turned and he likepointed it's fine, I'm doing
I'm literally doing the motionright now and you've never seen
him do it but, like, he has thisvery specific motion of the way
he points at something, to likemake a point where he like
shakes his finger at something,he's looking at the stage and
he's doing that.
He's just like that.
He looks back at me, he looksback at the stage.

(02:11:47):
He's still shaking his fuckingfinger.
He goes like that's what youshould be doing yeah he's yeah,
he was like.
I'm not saying you have to be arock star.
He goes like you can never stopplaying music to any degree.
He's not saying you have tosell out stadiums he, he goes.
You just can't stop playing.

(02:12:08):
You just can't stop playingmusic.
You have to always do that.

Speaker 2 (02:12:13):
Well, I mean, probably, like the musician and
the artist in him, recognize themusician and the artist in you
and you know that's, that's,that's, that's just, that's a
really beautiful moment,Oklahoma the sun comes, sweeping
down the rain and nowhere theywent.

Speaker 1 (02:12:31):
That's just a really beautiful moment.
Oklahoma Come sweeping down therain and away they went.

Speaker 2 (02:12:40):
I did want to mention one of the times I've kind of
deviated and I still don'tnecessarily consider this
country music.
It's more of like a bluegrassband, but it was band nickel
creek and um, they were kind oflike founded by allison krauss I
don't know if you know who sheis um.

(02:13:00):
Do you know allison krauss?

Speaker 3 (02:13:02):
I do not so she's a.

Speaker 2 (02:13:07):
She's a bluegrass, I would say kind of like more
bluegrass folk.
I don't know that I necessarilywould put her in the country
genre, but anyway this band theyhave.
They have a song called in thehouse of tom bombadil and I just
thought you would get a kickout of that done you meet as
soon as we turn this off.

Speaker 3 (02:13:28):
Guess what?

Speaker 2 (02:13:29):
the fuck I'm doing guess what I'm doing it's uh,
it's early, but like um, yeah,guilty pleasures, like oh man,
90s rap like swing by savageswing by savage yeah hell yeah

(02:13:55):
and love, yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:13:56):
Where the hood at dmx , go back and listen to that
song.
That's an offensive as fucksong, but I can't tell you how
many times this, this shitty asswhite boy.
Literally yesterday, literallyearly, literally today, today,
as I'm cleaning my fucking bitchass apartment, I'm around here
like dude.

Speaker 1 (02:14:16):
Oh yeah, fuck yeah yeah, yeah, um so much but I was
wondering to forever, yeah,okay, all right last little
little squirrel and then you canI'll shut the fuck up.
Wu-tang, wu-tang forever,wu-tang forever.

Speaker 3 (02:14:29):
Alright, last little squirrel and then you can.
I'll shut the fuck up, I'llstop squirreling my daughter, my
pride and joy, my first prideand joy, I got two.
There's this amazing show onNickelodeon, now on Paramount+,
whatever called Tiny Chef.
It's a super cute show.

(02:14:51):
It's like a little, it's almost, it's almost like claymation,
but it's a little like feltpuppets in a way.
It's like this guy, yeah.
So it's just a little tiny chef.
He's a little dude, right.
I love little things like thisone.
So like um, the borrowers.
You know the story, the storyof like arietti and all this
kind of fun shit.
You ever see that movie, theborrowers yeah, yeah okay cool.

(02:15:13):
So, like, I love movies likethat, when there's like really
tiny versions of stuff likelittle, like mouse people and
shit like that.
You know it's like oh, wouldthey make their house stuff?
Oh, their, their, their, theirtable is a is a button on top of
a thimble.
You know what I mean.
And like yeah their.
Their mirror is a really shinynickel.
I love shit like that.
That's what the show is like.

(02:15:34):
It's just he lives in thislittle tree stump and his, his
stove is like a.
It's like a tea light over likeI don't know, like a, like a
washer or whatever.
I love that kind of shit eitherway.
Um, he has this horrendousvoice where it's like cartman
but with like a lisp.
So, my god, oh, my god, he goes.

(02:15:56):
I'll try to do my best of likehis impression.
He goes like.
Welcome to the tiny chef show intoday's episode where we're
gonna be plowing the expensivedelicacies of france, right,
like it's fucking.
It's adorable, though, right,and she loves it.
And about it's great though,because, like the big the, the
intro to it, there's not a song,it's like a.

(02:16:19):
And now the show is starting.
Fucking rupaul is doing it.
I love it.
This is rupaul here to tell youwe're going to watch the Tiny
Chef show.
I love it.
Right Halfway through FuckingRuPaul, about halfway through
the episode, he has, like youknow, it's like, remember, like
Blue's Clues, mail time and theygo do mail.

(02:16:40):
Yeah yeah, it's kind of likethat.
There's some noise kind ofhappens and he goes, oh time to
dish with chef and there's somespecial guests that they have
where he like runs to like hislibrary.
He puts like little glasses on,he gets like little index cards
.
You know, sometimes it'll belike a little kid like oh, it's
our friend vanessa from wallawalla, washington, and then

(02:17:03):
there's some little girl who,whatever, every now and then
they do have like a quoteunquote celebrity.
If you would, they had, theyhad the new guy from blue's
clues on it.
Whatever, it doesn't matter.
I'm luna like just startedwatching the show.
It's like a day or so into herknowing what this show is and,
um, I'm getting ready for work.
I just get out of the shower.
So yeah, so people don't thinkI'm a terrible parent out there.

(02:17:24):
I only put the fucking tv onfor her, like when I have to
like shower and like get my shitready.
So she only gets like an hourscreen time a day.
Don't fucking get at me anyhow.
So, yeah, so I put that show onfor her and I'm like making my
lunch and getting everythingready and I hear she goes
today's episode of this withchefs.
We have tiny chef's greatfriend, the wizard.

(02:17:46):
I was like the fuck, he say.
I look over.
There's motherfucking RZA overon the TV on my kid show.

Speaker 2 (02:17:54):
I was like oh my God, is that RZA?
Like what the fuck?

Speaker 3 (02:17:58):
And he was like it's the wizard and he was just like
what's so funny?
He's like.
You know he's on a kid show, sohe's not like.

Speaker 1 (02:18:06):
RZA.

Speaker 3 (02:18:07):
RZA Tiny Chef was know he's on a kid show, so he's
not like rizzo.
Rizzo tiny chef was like mixedup like apple pie contest or
some shit like that one.
And he was like getting readyto whatever he like dropped the
apple pie and like as soon as hedropped the apple pie,
everything was fucked, like hehad to go do the dish with chef
thing.
So he goes, like, so, askingfor a friend, if you made the
most delicious apple pie in theworld and maybe you dropped it,

(02:18:27):
what would you do?
And he goes.
If I made the most deliciousapple pie in the world and maybe
you dropped it, what would youdo?
And he goes, if I made the mostdelicious apple pie in the
world and I dropped it, man, Idon't know.
But you tiny chef, man, you'regoing to keep it 100.
I believe in you For real.
He was like it was the shit.
I was like what oh?

Speaker 2 (02:18:42):
man, I was like that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (02:18:46):
I was like what the fuck am I?
I was like that is 10% of theWu-Tang Clan, right there on a
fucking kid's show.

Speaker 2 (02:18:53):
What the fuck Did it low-key make you feel really old
?

Speaker 3 (02:18:56):
Nah.

Speaker 2 (02:18:57):
No.

Speaker 3 (02:18:58):
No, what made me feel ?

Speaker 2 (02:18:59):
old was when I see stuff like that, I feel really
old.

Speaker 3 (02:19:02):
Nah, shit that makes me feel old is when I see Robert
Irwin doing his goddamnunderwear promos.
He just did one two not onlyfinding out that hayley you know
which hayley I'm talking about,not only her getting married
but then, like three monthslater, announcing that she was
pregnant yes, yes yeah, yeah,for those of you who don't know,

(02:19:27):
you uncultured swiner, youyoung shits, it was eminem
becoming a grandfather that mademe feel right, that made me
feel fucking old.
Yeah, it really did that, thateminem became a grandfather.

Speaker 2 (02:19:42):
I aged a thousand years he looks good to be a
grandpa he looks amazing.
I want to he gets betterlooking with age, I think so did
tom brady, but I digress ohfuck tom brady, go ahead I would
, I would um god, I would crybaby no, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (02:20:08):
This isn't a sports episode, but we are going to go
same thing One more littlesquirrel and then we're going to
reel it back in and hopefullyyou can keep your stuff together
and you won't faint when I saythis one.
You say you got nice with age.
I'm just going to go ahead andsay it.
Jeffrey Dean Morgan.

Speaker 1 (02:20:23):
Ugh.

Speaker 3 (02:20:26):
That was an involuntary noise.
I've said it once, once, twice,a hundred thousand times.
Can we please share and tag himin this, just for this one bit
of this seven hour episode we'regonna have?
If I look even half of apercent as good as he does at
his age, I can die a happy man,jesus christ god, yeah, oh

(02:20:51):
handsome.
He has nothing to do with music, he's just handsome yeah, oh
okay, yeah you, you triggeredsomething in my brain now.
Thank you very much oh shit, weforgot to set a safe word for
that.
We set a safe word for we'regonna get the boohoo we need to
set a safe word for the yeehaws,oh shit right.

Speaker 1 (02:21:14):
Margaret thatcher naked margaret thatcher naked on
a cold night.
Margaret thatcher naked on acold night baseball cold showers
.

Speaker 2 (02:21:22):
Baseball cold showers oh well, what I wanted to ask
you was um yeah, jeffrey dmorgan, he's my one well oh, not
that.

Speaker 3 (02:21:33):
That's how much.
Oh, never mind, not that.

Speaker 2 (02:21:35):
No, no, no, no, no proceed um, what is have you
because you know I doom scroll alot on tiktok?
Um, have you discovered anyartists or music from tick tock?
Because I have and I want totalk about them just very
briefly and in I've songs.

Speaker 3 (02:21:55):
Yes, I can't say I have discovered artists.
I, I don't know the arts.
I can like, I can tell you thesongs.
Or I say I could like, quoteunquote, sing you the songs.
I'm not gonna sing you fuckingsongs right now, um, but I but
like there's songs that can like, oh, I know the one for tiktok,
I know them from tiktok.
And the one that, oh, let's seewhat is it.

(02:22:17):
There's the song after dark.
I learned from tiktok.
I really like that one, thatone's fantastic, um, I think the
one that it has absolutelydominated.
And for any of those who, whoknow my tiktok, um, I'm saying
I'm saving this one song, um,I'm working.

(02:22:41):
Yeah, that makes not too muchof a shithead, but the song
southbound oh, I'm saving thatone.
I'm safe.
I'm saving that one.
I'm working on one for thatsong.
But that song I heard I waslike I heard that song I was
like that's like, it's likemufasa.

Speaker 2 (02:23:07):
Well, I came across this band called Creature Canyon
, okay, and they have a songcalled Hot Streak.
I just fucking love this songand they're just kind of just a
cool band.
They're just really neat.

(02:23:28):
Yeah, just a kind of a just acool band.
Um, they're just really really.
Yeah, I mean they're just it's.
It's just a really reallycatchy, good song.
You know, they're so cute withtheir fans and they have like
this thing where they're likeyou know, you know fans that
engage with us.

(02:23:48):
You know, on that, engage withus on social media.
When we come and play in yourcity, just get in touch with us
and you know we want to have youcome backstage with us and get
to meet all of our early fans.
And so I just wanted to mentionthem because I've interacted
with them.
They're really cool.
Great band Hot streak.

(02:24:11):
Wanted to mention them becauseI've interacted with them.
They're really cool great bandhot streak.
I would encourage anyone to toum to listen to them, and I
actually um had a little backand forth with them about um
maybe being a guest on ourpodcast, so hopefully they will
do that and we'll have a specialanother music episode with them
.
But that'd be sick, that'd besick, yeah, yeah well, I wanted

(02:24:34):
to close this out with just kindof a a little nod here.
Do you have, um, if you couldmaybe shout out one song that
you would recommend to ourlisteners to to listen to?
What would it be?

Speaker 3 (02:24:51):
if I could listen, oh god don't overthink it oh, too
late not to sound, so all right,I have to name a song.
Can you name yours first andgive me like two more minutes?
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, you goahead.

Speaker 2 (02:25:11):
So of course I would absolutely recommend any and all
Sleep Token songs.
If you don't know the band, youneed to just literally pull up
their albums, pick a song andlisten to it.
Literally pull up their albums,pick a song and listen to it.
But I actually have a couplesongs that I've been listening

(02:25:35):
to.
One is called Winter Pine byHoly Water.
Really really love that song.
It's the way that it kind oflike starts out kind of a little
acoustic and it just kind ofbuilds up.
The lyrics are beautiful,really good song I would
recommend to people.

(02:25:56):
And another one is pain by.
I don't know how you say this,but it's built Bill Murray.
I remember I recommended thissong to Becca and she's like
Bill fucking Murray and I'm likeI don't know how you say the
name, but it's Bill Murray.

(02:26:21):
It's B-I-L-M-U-R-I, so I don'tknow how to say that.
And then I would also recommendJutes to anyone.

Speaker 3 (02:26:36):
If I have to pick one song, and one song only God
splitting hairs.
You know what it doesn't haveto be.

Speaker 2 (02:26:51):
I listen to.
You can do too.

Speaker 3 (02:26:54):
No, that's the thing I can't.
I honestly can't, but I think,just for the sake of it we've
talked about it before it meansa lot to you.
It means an insane a lot to me.
Lacrima by Ghost.
If anybody has to listen to asong, if you're.

(02:27:14):
Everybody goes through darktimes.
Everyone has those dark days.
Um, if you're going through it,if you know you're going to go
through it and you want to beprepared for it, listen, listen
to that song.
And if you're going throughdark times, listen to that song.
I promise you it'll help.
If and if you're going throughdark times, listen to that song,
I promise you it'll help if youknow you're going to go through
dark times or you want to beprepared for dark times, listen

(02:27:36):
to that song and always thinkback on that song.
Really, yeah, honestly, I'm notjust saying it because we've
talked about it before and ourown personal ties to it.
It is a very well craftedlyrically.
It seems very simple if youthink about it, but it's just
something about it, like I said,it tickles the ear holes, just
right um and it hits the partsof the brain specifically um,

(02:28:03):
yeah, that one for sure.
And if you are a romantic type,like, believe it or not, I am
Forever and Always Bullet For myValentine, specifically the
acoustic version of that song.
It's a very, very near and dearsong to me.

(02:28:27):
Spoiler alert it was our firstdance song at the wedding, but
it does just mean that you knowsame thing.
It's just one of those lyrics,the song.

Speaker 1 (02:28:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:28:41):
How it just encompasses what love is it
should be.
The actual chorus of the songgoes, and I quote forget about
the shit we've been through.
I want to stay here forever andalways, and that's the thing
that's important.
Like I said, if you really dolove that person, it doesn't

(02:29:02):
matter what shit you go through.
You're there forever and always.
And um yeah, those songs arevery, very deep and etched into
me or just you?
Know any song, just music.
Never stop listening to musicyeah, yeah if I could recommend
any song to anyone, or anyartist to any of our listeners,

(02:29:25):
viewers, any of them.
Don't stop listening to musicand just if you don't like that
one, try something else.
Try something else.
Keeps up.
I guarantee you, I, I, I, Ifucking promise and guarantee
you you're gonna find somethingthat's gonna make everything
better yeah well said, fuckinglove music man, especially

(02:29:47):
oklahoma, where the sun comessweeping on the plains.

Speaker 2 (02:29:51):
I'm so glad we had a safe word jesus christ don't lie
.

Speaker 3 (02:29:56):
Oh, and fun fact, I don't know any more words to
that song than that.

Speaker 2 (02:30:01):
That's all I know all right, you want to, you want to
take us out already cool catsand kittens.

Speaker 3 (02:30:08):
That's a wrap on our musical chaos.
If you made it this far,congratulations.
You now know far more about ourplaylist and you probably
needed to, and you have morequestions than answers.
If, if any of our hot takescause you trauma, uh, get a
therapist and fucking deal withit.
I'm only slightly sorry, but ifI've introduced you to
something new, you're verywelcome.
We'd love to know yoursoundtrack, your choices, the

(02:30:30):
songs you that have saved youbroke, you, rebuilt, you,
tickled, you, assaulted you, butmaybe not that bad.
Tag us and drop them in thecomments.
I also just remembered like sixmore albums that we should have
talked about.
So when that happens, we'redefinitely going to talk about a
.
We'll definitely have our parttwo.
One more bit before Angie kicksme out of here.

(02:30:54):
We talked about ups, downs,less rights, dark times, light
times.
Music is anything andeverything.
Before you were anything, youwere music.
If we can be cliche andannoying a little bit more here
towards the end, if there's acouple of things, random bands,
random loops, just try toremember life is ours.

(02:31:18):
We live it our way.
Each time you fall flat on yourface, just pick yourself up and
get back in the race.
Baby, you were born this way.
That's all I got.
It's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (02:31:30):
Oklahoma Oklahoma.

Speaker 2 (02:31:33):
Well, remember to like, subscribe, share and
comment.
Thanks for listening to theBlack Curtain Club and until
next time.
Stay weird, stay loud and keepyour playlist very unstable,
just like us.
Bye Say, bye, kyle.

Speaker 3 (02:31:58):
I'm done crying over someone like you.

Speaker 1 (02:32:14):
Bye, kyle you.

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