April 21, 2025 • 64 mins
A dying chief's curse. A winged creature with glowing red eyes. The tragic collapse of a bridge. All these elements converge in Point Pleasant, West Virginia, creating one of America's most enduring supernatural mysteries - the legend of Mothman.
We journey back to 1777, when betrayal and bloodshed sowed the seeds for generations of misfortune as Shawnee Chief Cornstalk uttered his final, chilling words. Nearly two centuries later, something strange emerged from the shadows. Witnesses described a seven-foot-tall humanoid with massive wings that could keep pace with cars traveling over 100 mph, leaving terror in its wake. As sightings increased throughout 1966, mysterious Men in Black arrived, warning people to remain silent about what they'd seen.
Then came December 15, 1967 - the day the Silver Bridge collapsed during rush hour, claiming 46 lives. Was this the culmination of Cornstalk's curse? Had Mothman appeared as a harbinger, trying to warn the townspeople? The timing seemed too perfect to be coincidental. Yet the story doesn't end there. Similar creatures have reportedly been spotted before disasters worldwide - Chernobyl, Chicago, even before 9/11 according to some accounts.
Whether you believe Mothman is an interdimensional being, a misidentified natural creature, or a manifestation of collective anxiety, the impact on our culture is undeniable. From John Keel's seminal book to Hollywood adaptations, from internet memes to Build-A-Bear plushies with suspiciously well-endowed backsides, Mothman reminds us that some mysteries persist at the edges of our understanding, challenging what we think we know about reality.
Is he trying to warn us? Is he simply observing? Or is something else entirely at play in the shadows of Point Pleasant? Whatever you believe, the legend continues to unfold as new sightings are reported even today.
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Speaker 1 (00:21):
Before we begin today's episode of the Black
Curtain Club podcast, we wouldlike to share a quick disclaimer
.
The views, opinions andstatements expressed by the
hosts and guests on this podcastare their own personal views
and are provided in their ownpersonal capacity.
All content is editorial,opinion-based and intended for
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entertainment purposes only.
Listener discretion is advised.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Hello, my fellow interdimensional beings, Welcome
back to the Black Curtain Clubpodcast.
I'm Becca and today I'm joinedby my friends Brooke and Angie
for a very special, very highlyanticipated Mothman episode.
We're taking you back to thevibes of episode one, as Brooke
and I are being held hereagainst our will and Angie won't
give us the key until we'veheard her disturbingly detailed
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account of the Mothman lore.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Brooke, I'm kind of scared, I'm excited.
I want to be forced to be toldabout the Mothman.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Well, I'm going to do that your wish is granted, my
lady well, I want to say Ireally appreciate you all just
letting me walk you through this, because this is my birthday
week and I just wanted to dosomething special.
I'm from West Virginia and thisstory is just so ingrained in
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our state culture.
There's so much that gets leftout and I just wanted to take a
moment to really tell the wholestory.
So I appreciate you guys beingheld hostage.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
It's literally the least we could do.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
It's time to learn something new.
Also, happy birthday.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Happy early birthday.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Thank you All.
Right, you guys ready.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, I'm ready.
Mothman festivities, let's go.
Time for a roller coaster.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Okay, so there are places in this world where the
past never truly fades, wherehistory lingers, pressing
against the present, waiting tobe remembered, and some say
Point Pleasant, west Virginia,is one of those places.
Most people know this town forMothman, so it's this winged
creature with glowing red eyesthat terrorized locals in the
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1960s.
But long before the firstsighting, before the Silver
Bridge collapsed, before thetown became famous for a cryptid
, point Pleasant already had ashadow over it, and this is a
legend that's older than Americaitself.
It's a story of betrayal, bloodand a dying man's final words
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that some say doomed this landforever.
So I have your attention withthat, my god angie, I am on the
edge of my seat.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I'm ready for doom.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Lay it on us, okay, okay wait a minute, I got the
giggles now, god damn it.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
maybe we should just launch an episode where it's
just us laughing the entire timeand there's no other sound.
It's just us cracking up, right.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
The pressure of not being able to laugh makes it
worse.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yeah, it does.
It's like you're in church orsomething and you're not
supposed to laugh.
Okay, so our story begins inthe late 1700s, where the land
that is now West Virginia wasstill a very dangerous frontier.
It was a battleground whereNative American tribes were
fighting to protect their homesfrom the relentless westward
expansion of settlers.
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So among them was a greatShawnee leader, hokulesqua,
better known as Chief Cornstalk.
So by 1774, tensions betweenthe settlers and the Shawnee had
reached a breaking point, andit culminated in the Battle of
Point Pleasant, a brutal, bloodyconflict between Chief
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Cornstalk's warriors and theVirginia militia that was led by
Colonel Andrew Lewis.
And this battle raged along thebanks of the Ohio river and the
Shawnee far fart.
The Shawnee fart.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Shawnee, you're just fiddle farting around right.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Okay, and the Shawnee fought fiercely and they were
ultimately forced to retreat.
Cornstalk understood thatfurther bloodshed would only
bring more suffering to hispeople.
So he chose diplomacy overvengeance and he agreed to a
peace treaty.
But just three years later, in1777, his goodwill would be
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repaid with betrayal.
So Chief Cornstalk and his sonEllen Nipsico who was otherwise
known as just Nipsico traveledto Fort Randolph, a military
garrison in Point Pleasant.
And he had come as not an enemybut a diplomat.
And he was there to warn thesettlers that there were hostile
tribes planning to attack.
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But instead of gratitude, hewas met with treachery.
So the soldiers at the forttook Cornstalk and his son
hostage.
They imprisoned them anddefinitely did not treat them as
peacekeepers.
They wanted to keep them asbargaining chips.
So days passed and Cornstalk andhis son remained in captivity.
But then their fate would takean even darker turn.
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So, after an unrelated skirmishbetween settlers and another
group of Native Americans, amilitia man was killed, and the
soldiers, driven by rage andvengeance, decided that somebody
had to pay the price.
And so, despite the fact thatCornstalk had come in peace,
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despite the fact that he hadwarned them of the impending
attack, the soldiers turnedtheir rifles on him and his son
and they were executed in coldblood.
And this is where legend andhistory kind of blur, because as
Cornstalk lay dying, as hisblood was seeping into the dirt
of Point Pleasant, it is saidthat he spoke his final words
not of fear, not of pleading,but of a curse upon the land,
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pleading, but of a curse uponthe land.
That the exact wordings of thecurse has been kind of lost to
time.
The accounts that survive tellus that Cornstalk condemned
Point Pleasant to centuries ofsuffering, that no great
prosperity would come to thosewho settled and the land itself
would be cursed with misfortuneand death.
So whether it was a curse of adying man or just a story
twisted over time, the strangetruth is Point Pleasant has been
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a place of tragedy andunexplained horrors ever since.
For nearly two centuries afterhis death, point Pleasant
suffered fires, floods, disease,and some say, yes, these were
natural disasters, but otherssay that they were echoes of
this man's dying words.
But then something changed.
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The curse wasn't just whisperedin stories anymore.
It took a form and it grewwings.
And in the fall of 1966, peoplestarted seeing something
lurking in the darkness and ithad red eyes.
It moved faster than any humanand it left fear in its wake.
And soon people at PointPleasant realized the horrors of
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the past were far from over andsomething else had arrived.
So I just kind of want to checkin with you as we kind of close
that portion of the story.
What do you think Sad?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
That is very sad.
Like it's, I could see it beingtrue, and that's what makes it
so sad.
It was rough times here inAmerica for a while and we
weren't very kind to the peoplethat hosted us, so I could
definitely see this being trueand, honestly, if he did it good
, probably deserved it.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Right.
So I'm going to take you now tothe arrival of mothman.
So for nearly 200 years thecurse of chief cornstalk kind of
lingered over point pleasant.
But in the autumn of 1966something arrived in the
darkness, something that no onecould explain, and it didn't
strike like a flood, a fire or awar, I said.
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It came with glowing red eyesand the people who saw it would
never be the same.
So the first sighting actuallyhappened in November 12th of
1966.
And this is known as thegraveyard encounter.
So it kind of started with awhisper, an omen, just out of
sight.
And on November 12th five menwere digging a grave in
Clendenin, west Virginia, whichis about an hour's drive from
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Point Pleasant.
As they were worked, under thedimming dusk of light, their
shovels scraping against thecold earth, something caught
their eye.
It was a shadow that movedoverhead and at first they
thought it was just a large bird, maybe an owl, but then it
spread its wings.
The men froze.
They would later describe it asa dark humanoid shape,
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something that flew withoutflapping its wings, something
that seemed too large, toounnatural to even belong in the
sky.
And then it was just gone.
They stood there breathless,the freshly dug grave at their
feet and they were unsure ofwhat they had just seen.
So the story might have fadedinto an old ghost tale.
Another strange night in thehills of West Virginia, in
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Appalachia.
Except it didn't stop there.
The following night somethingeven more terrifying would
happen.
So this is going to take us tothe most infamous sighting in
the sighting that really kind ofstarted the whole legend.
So this is the TNT chase, andthis happened on November 15th
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of 1966.
Roger and Linda Scarberry,along with Steve and Mary
Millett, were driving justoutside the town near an
abandoned World War II munitionsplant.
This place the locals calledthe TNT area, so it was on a
dark, desolated stretch of road.
It's the kind of place thatalways feels a little haunted.
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And then from the shadows itstepped into their headlights
seven feet tall, massive wingsfolded against its back and its
eyes glowing red, burning likecoals.
They sat frozen in their car,hearts pounding.
And then it moved.
It didn't run, it didn't walk,it lifted into the air and then
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it was chasing them.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Oh my gosh, no Shit.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
So the couples then floor it.
Their car is hitting speeds ofover 100 miles an hour, and yet
it was keeping up.
The creature didn't flap itswings, it glided, following them
effortlessly like it was toyingwith them, and as they reached
the town limits, just before thecity lights met the darkness of
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the TNT area, it vanished.
So the group that was stillkind of you know, very rattled
and shaking over this encounter.
They drove straight to thepolice, and these were not the
kind of people to make upstories.
So you know, this is a ruraltown in West Virginia.
These are kind of like youwould call salt of the earth
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kind of people.
Right their reputation, theirword, was like their currency.
They were young, married,level-headed people, and yet
they saw something that changedthem forever.
And it didn't stop with justthem.
Over the next few days, more andmore people came forward.
There was a man who saw two redlights staring at him from the
woods, and when he approachedthey rose up and flew away.
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There was a woman driving homealone felt something watching
her, and when she looked intoher rear view mirror she saw a
dark figure following her fromabove.
And then there were a group ofteens that claimed that it
landed on their roof, scratchingup the shingles, and vanished
into the night.
Oh, my gosh, and thesedescriptions were always the
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same massive wings, glowing redeyes, a terrifying presence.
That made the air itself kindof feel heavier, and soon the
people of point pleasant werejust not afraid they were being
hunted.
So I just first want to do alittle check-in again with you
all to see where your head's at.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Oh, my god angie I feel like picturing, like go
ahead.
The mothman is like the, he'slike the embodiment of the curse
.
He is cursed, but he is also.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
He is also the curse picturing like the cop from
terminator 2, just chasing themdown like that weird predatory
stillness, but moving so fastand the way it's just gliding
like it's not even flapping itswings to catch up.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
It's not even flapping like, it's just like.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
It's like an airplane , it's just going, yeah but
honestly, seven foot tall, big,big wings, oh my God.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yeah.
So I want to try to paint likea very comprehensive picture as
much as possible.
So just wanted to take a momentto relay some eyewitness
statements.
So, when you know, while thetale of Mothman is, you know,
kind of a legend that's beenbirthed, I really feel like it's
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the voices of who were there,their raw, unfiltered accounts,
that truly bring this story tolife Again.
Let's journey back to 1966 andtalk about some of these
eyewitness accounts and actually, in a roundaboutabout way, hear
directly from them.
So let's talk about theScarberry and Millette encounter
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which again was on November15th.
They were, they had set out fora drive at the old West
Virginia ordinance works andagain, this is commonly known as
the TNT area.
As they approached the defunctpower plant, their headlights
caught something that defiedexplanation.
Linda Scarberry would say, andI quote it was standing there
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tall, maybe seven feet, wingsfolded against his back, but
those eyes, red, glowing, theyseemed to pierce right through
you.
Panic set in, roger slammed onthe accelerator and the car
fishtailed on the gravel road.
And then Roger Scarberry, whowould give his testimony and say
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I pushed it over a hundred, butit was right above us, gliding,
didn't flap its wings, justkept up with us.
I've never been so scared in mylife, and their ordeal didn't
end until it reached the citylimits, while the creature
veered off into the darkness,they were extremely shaken and
as they reported the incident tothe local sheriff, their
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account marked the beginning ofeverything that would haunt
Point Pleasant.
There was also a gentleman bythe name of Newell Partridge and
he also had a terrifyingencounter.
So this was not long after theScarberry and Millette encounter
and he's a resident of Salem,west Virginia, which is
approximately 90 miles fromPoint Pleasant.
He added it was a quiet evening.
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I was watching TV when thescreen suddenly went dark,
filled with this strange pattern.
Then a loud whining noisestarted, like a generator
winding up His dog.
Bandit, a German Shepherd,would begin to howl outside.
Newell would go on to say Igrabbed my flashlight and went
out to see what had growled himup.
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That's when I saw those eyes,two red circles like bicycle
reflectors staring at me fromthe barn.
Bandit took off towards itgrowling.
I called for him, but hewouldn't come back.
The next morning Bandit wasgone, leaving only paw prints
that led to the barn but didn'treturn.
His account, though occurringmiles away, shared a common
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thread of the eerie and red eyes, and it just deepened the
enigma surrounding Mothman.
Also, on November 16th there wasthe Thomas family sighting, so
this was a day after Scarberryand Millette.
So Marcella Bennett, along withher brother, raymond Walmsley
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and his wife, visited the homeof Ralph and Virginia Thomas,
and this was located near theTNT area.
Marcella would say, and I quotewe pulled up to the Thomas
house and as I got out of thecar with my baby, I saw it lying
on the ground, like it had justbeen startled.
It slowly rose up, its eyesfixed on us, end quote just been
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startled.
It slowly rose up, its eyesfixed on us, end.
Quote Paralyzed by fear, shedropped her daughter and fell on
top of her, shielding her fromthe creature.
Marcello would also say it waslike time stopped.
I couldn't move, couldn't thinkthose eyes.
I'll never forget them.
So the family rushed inside,locked the doors and the
creature reportedly approachedthe porch, peering through the
windows, before disappearing inthe night.
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So all of these accounts, eachunique, had a very eerie
similarity and it just kind ofweaved into the tapestry of the
mystery that has enshroudedPoint Pleasant for decades.
Whether this is a manifestationof clear fear, or a
misidentified creature, or justsomething beyond comprehension.
This mothman remains, like this, enigma.
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So before we get into how themedia gets involved in all of
this, I just wanted to doanother check-in.
Um, I know this, this is kindof a very creepy story, so I
just want to keep checking inwith you guys the things that I
am I'm picking up on aremultiple people seeing this.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
The first instance, it was four people that saw it,
and then somebody else backingthem up days later and I can't
help but notice that mothmanstole somebody's dog.
Excuse me, are we just gonnaglaze over that?
Speaker 1 (17:59):
yeah, he stole the dog, he stole it and like, like,
what I'm kind of wondering is,like, is he going after families
that are like somehow connectedto the Cornfield slaughter, or
like, is he just like, oh, likeyou have a farm, like let me
take your animals, yum yum,thank you for the dog.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Right, Like what are his motivations at this point?
Because right now he just seemsto be scaring people and acting
like a dementor from harrypotter you're right.
Dementor from harry potter oh,he's like on the ground, like
she caught him slipping.
He was like taking a littlesnooze.
Oh shit, I was supposed to bescary, she's like.
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I laughed so hard I dropped mykid.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
I should not so this is where the media gets involved
and the town becomes famous orinfamous.
So on november 16th and 19thpoint, pleasant register ran a
headline that would cement thisinto history forever, and it
just read couple c man-sizedbird creature, something now the
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town's fear was publicknowledge.
Reporters flooded in, paranormalinvestigators arrived and every
night more and more peoplewould patrol the roads of Point
Pleasant hoping to catch aglimpse of something in the dark
.
And then, as suddenly as itappeared, the sighting stopped.
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It wasn't over, because justone year later, on December 15th
1967, point Pleasant would facea disaster that no one saw
coming.
So we're going to lead into theSilver Bridge collapse in the
Men in Black.
Are you guys ready for this?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Hold on.
Do we want to acknowledge thatsomebody has entered?
Look who decided to show up.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
He heard we were talking about mothman, couldn't
resist I know as if, as if thewinged creature himself has
popped in.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
We are now joined with kyle hi kyle the man in
black more like it yeah, hemight not be as mysterious as
the Mothman, he might be alittle more kooky, cookie.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Cookie.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
I thought you said cookie.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
It's that Canadian accent yeah bud.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Not the accent oh.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
So she's not a goose, she's a cobra chicken.
Anyway, proceed, goose, she's acobra chicken anyway proceed.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
So, as if the sightings weren't strange enough
, what happened next was evenstranger, if you can imagine
that that's when the men inblack arrived and they basically
wanted everyone to stop talking.
So, in the wake of the mothmansightings, residents in Point
Pleasant reported encounterswith these mysterious
individuals known as the Men inBlack, and these figures were
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often described as wearingimpeccable black suits and
exhibiting particular weirdbehavior.
Basically, they seemed intenton suppressing information about
all of the explained phenomenon.
One eyewitness would say, and Iquote they came to my door, two
men in dark suits.
Their speech was odd, like theyweren't from around here.
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They warned me not to speak ofwhat I'd seen.
End quote.
Okay, right, and you know,people think that jehovah's
witnesses are bad.
Um, I know, they have nothingon the men in black?
Speaker 2 (21:28):
How did you know where I lived?
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Men in black have their little territory cards.
Sorry, just a little JW humorthere.
They have their mission, we haveours so as the sightings
increased, so did the reports ofthese mysterious individuals
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that were urging people toremain silent.
These men in black, as theycame to be known, just added
this layer of conspiracy andfear that was already pretty
tense in Point Pleasant.
So Mary Heyer, who was a localjournalist, received numerous
visits from these figures and itjust further entrenched the
Mothman saga into, like, thisrealm of the unexplained.
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So Mary Heyer would say, quote.
They came to my office askingstrange questions about the
sightings, about the peoplereporting them.
Their behavior was off, almostmechanical, end quote.
So the men in black phenomenonwasn't isolated, just to point,
pleasant though Similar accountshave surfaced globally, even
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linked to UFO sightings, it justseems to remain ambiguous.
Are they government agents?
No-transcript.
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They came to our home dressedin black suits and told us not
to speak about what we saw.
It was terrifying.
And these visits were notisolated.
Other residents reported similarencounters.
Carpenter Carpenter was anotherwitness who reported a close
encounter with Mothman whiledriving home.
Shortly after she wasapproached by strange men who
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warned her to remain silent.
Connie would go on record andsay they followed me, insisting
I forget what I saw.
Their presence was unnerving.
So these accounts suggest thatthere was an absolute concerted
effort to suppress informationabout the Mothman sightings.
So this also leads us into adiscussion about Indrid Cold,
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1966, woodrow Derenberger, whowas a sewing machine salesman,
was driving home from Interstate77 near Parkersburg, west
Virginia, and guys, this is thisis about to take a very wild
turn.
Are you ready?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Yeah, I am strapped on and ready to go OK.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Did she say strap in or strap on?
Oh my God.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Give me that injured, cold angie injured, not to be
confused with injuring joe fromtom sawyer.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah, I don't even think about getting the two
confused, yeah right, all right.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
So let's let's pull it back to Woodrow.
So his journey took anunexpected turn when he
encountered a strange vehiclethat forced him to stop and when
I say a strange vehicle, I'mnot talking.
Looked like a kerosene lampchimney, flaring at both ends,
narrowing down to a small neckand then enlarging in a great
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bulge in the center.
It hovered about 12 inches offthe road.
That was the end of that quote.
So from this craft he would saythat a tall figure with an
unsettling broad grin wouldapproach Derenberger and was
able to communicate with himtelepathically.
He would go on to say he toldme his name was Endred Cold and
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that he meant me no harm.
He was curious about humans andour way of life, and so this
event would mark the beginningof a whole series of
interactions that Derenbergerwould have with Endrid cold and
cold purportedly, according towoodrow, shared insights about
his origin from a planet calledlanilus.
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Are you ready to hear aboutlanilus?
I'm so ready, can we?
Speaker 4 (25:49):
find out how he got his name.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
First indrid cold.
I don't know.
Are you talking about indridcold or woodrow?
Speaker 4 (25:56):
I don't know, the Lancelot sounded one.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Oh, the Lanelist, the Lancelot.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
The.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Lancelot Right.
So Woodrow's interactions withIndrid Cold extended.
That initial meeting hailedfrom the planet Lanilus in the
galaxy of Ganymedes, a placewhere inhabitants lived in peace
and had lifespans exceeding 100years.
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He would go under record andsay he told me about Lanilus, a
place without war, where peoplelived long, happy lives.
It sounded like a utopia.
So these accounts surroundingIndra Cold traverse a whole
spectrum of experiences, fromunsettling encounters to
profound revelations.
So you know again, is he aharbinger, an observer or
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participant in some kind oftapestry of unexplained
phenomena?
But Indrid Cold will forever beintertwined with the events in
the story of Point Pleasant,even to this day.
So one of the things that isalso a connection to Indrid Cold
is something called theGrinning man phenomenon.
So Indrid Cold's descriptionaligns with the reports of the
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Grinning man and he was amysterious figure observed in
various locations during the1960s, figure observed in
various locations during the1960s.
He was described as a tallhumanoid with a fixed eerie grin
and it often was in conjunctionwith UFO sightings.
So these sightings contributeto like this broader narrative
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of unsettling encounters duringthis period and it kind of blurs
the line betweenextraterrestrial and encrypted.
Prior to Derenberger'sexperience on October 6th in
1966, two boys in Elizabeth, newJersey, martin Mouse Munov and
James Jimmy Yanketus, reported achilling encounter.
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So as they were walking along4th Street they noticed a tall
figure standing near a fence.
Martin would say he was juststanding there staring right at
us with this big grin.
It didn't feel right.
They described him as a tall,bald man wearing a reflective
green suit.
A figure's unsettling grin lefta huge mark on these boys.
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The incident is among some ofthe earliest reports linking
injured cold to the grinning manphenomenon.
During around this same period,the Lilly family of Point
Pleasant also reported a seriesof unexplained events in their
home, including poltergeistactivity and sightings of
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diamond shaped lights.
Linda Lilly would say I woke upone night and saw a man
standing over me.
He was tall with a big grin.
I was terrified.
So this account adds just thisother layer to the Indra Kold
narrative.
It suggests that his presencewas not maybe just confined to
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isolated incidents but also partof, like this, broader pattern
of unexplained phenomena in theregion.
Some researchers propose thatthere is a connection between
Indrid Cold and the Men in Black.
Witnesses have describedencounters with grinning
individuals in dark suits whoexhibit unusual behavior.
So, you know, are the men inblack part of the grinning man,
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indrid Cold?
Is Indrid Cold a man in black?
But regardless, you know theirpresence was very much about
suppressing and manipulating theinformation regarding the
Mothman and extraterrestrialencounters.
You know their job seems to besuppressing whatever is going on
.
How are you guys doing?
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Just want to check in.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
The green suit and the smile the grinning man is
giving me Jim Carrey in the mask.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Well, I don't think he has green skin, though like
these are like very pale figures.
He had a green suit on, buttheir, their, their skin is very
pale.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
It's very uncanny valley so interesting that the
men in black always find theirway into stories like this, and
it always.
It's always the same thing,right, Trying to suppress the
spread of information, trying toget people to isolate
themselves and not talk aboutwhat they saw.
And I always wonder what is thepoint in that?
You know, why do they?
Why are they trying to suppressthis so bad?
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And it makes me wonder if thereis something to like.
A bunch of people startbelieving in this thing and
suddenly it gets more powerful,like do they know something we
don't, is it?
Speaker 1 (30:44):
the power of collective thought that they're
trying to suppress.
Right are the.
Are the men in black?
Are they aliens?
Are they government?
Yes nobody knows both maybe amixture.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
I mean there's speculation that you know they
could be both.
They could be extraterrestrialand working for the government
or with the government.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Lizard people.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Look up their descriptions.
It's very terrifying.
They don't look human when yousee them face to face.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
They're almost robotic.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Apparently they have a wrongness about them where
they don't seem like they're oneof us, but it's just the
stories that people tell.
So it's interesting that wehave men in black, injured, cold
mothman, all in the same area.
They are causing hell in westvirginia.
I love this.
This is so exciting.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
I'm here for the chaos, it's a hot spot I still
don't even know if like, like,if they're the ones causing the
hell or they're like, screw it,we'll blend in, because, like,
screw it, we'll blend in, causelike it's West Virginia, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Like, no one will pick up on it.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
It's like a conference, exactly Like that's
where you know it's like it'sjust Tuesday.
It's just Tuesday.
You know what I mean.
I'm still a firm believerthough that I have.
I have friends.
I'm absolutely off my rockerwith this one.
I'm a firm believer that themovies Men in Black were
designed and put out by the Menin Black or by some type of like
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the government or whatever itis, but more or less to kind of
throw them off, to throw thepublic off their trail Do you
think Will.
Smith knows?
I think absolutely not, but Ithink that that movie was
designed and released, like Isaid, to just kind of like oh,
they're not real, it's just ashaha, it's just a Hollywood
movie.
So yeah, kind of like everyonestops paying attention because,
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like Men in Black oh, you meanthe movie.
I love it.
It's great, Like I feel.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
I don't know something about watching that
movie right, like if somebody'sgoogling information about men
in black, they're gonna find outabout tommy lee jones, exactly,
exactly.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
That's, that's all they're, just that's all they're
gonna see.
I'm, I'm so serious.
So if anyone starts snooping,yeah, just go to google search
and that's all you're gonna seeis just those movies and this,
that and the other thing, andmaybe you'll see a couple of
things about, like you know,mothman and ufos and so on and
so forth, but for the most partyou're just gonna see the movies
.
And then now I mean, yeah, thenthey made the fourth one, which
wasn't necessarily the best,but whatever, it's just like it
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just keeps burying the truth, ifyou will, about them and I
think there is just like.
I also think that they did it.
They just like blatantlyadmitted about them like, yes,
they're a real thing.
No, they're not the government,they're their own privately
working entity.
Aliens are.
We hold the patents on certaintechnologies.
That's how we pay for all ofthis.
So like go back and watch thosemovies.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
And just tell me that , like it doesn't make so much
more sense.
Like, oh my God, that's exactlywhat these are.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
They're like intergalactic Kingsmen this
reminds me of that theory thatwhen they made the movie, Frozen
that Disney movie.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
The reason they did that was so that, for search
engine optimization, if peoplewere wondering if Walt Disney
was frozen, they would typeDisney Frozen.
A movie would come up, you know, like a sensationalized movie.
So I can totally see whereyou're coming from and I don't
think you're crazy for thinkingit.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
It's kind of interesting that you say that,
because I feel like we have somany conspiracy theories about
or who knows if they're actuallyconspiracy theories known
truths basically at this point,and I think that the ones that
are they want to cover up harderare the ones they're making
movies about.
Like we can talk about wendigos, we can talk about the
illuminati all day, but they'renot sitting over here like
making disney movies and stuffabout those things.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
I can't buy three days to get the tickets to the
first release of a disney movieabout the illuminati, which is
really funny because I feel thatthat'd be a pixar the main song
of it is still like the firstsong from moana, like the first
song in the illuminati moviewould be like the one we're safe
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here, there's no need to leave.
You're fine right where you are.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Don't go out there like that's one of us, one of us
exactly the illuminati isfriendly, like, don't worry
about it any.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Illuminati forever anywho mothman um, I I do want
to spend a little bit of timetalking about the bridge
collapse, um, and kind of wantto have a little bit of
reverence here because a lot ofpeople lost their lives.
So as 1967 drew to a close, thetown of Point Pleasant was all
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about the holiday spirit.
There were shoppers thatfilling the streets, you know
children's laughter everywhere.
The Silver Bridge stood as thisvital artery connecting
communities across the OhioRiver.
And again I want to paint apicture, just a little bit, of
Point Pleasant.
Point Pleasant is a very, verysmall, quaint, really Americana
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kind of town.
You can literally stand almostlike on one end of the town and
see the other end.
It's a very small, justeveryday USA kind of town.
So in December 15th it wasunseasonably a mild day and this
bridge was a critical linkbetween Point Pleasant, west
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Virginia, and Gallipolis, ohio,and it bore the weight of rush
hour traffic and as people wereventuring out to do holiday
shopping.
So at 5.04 pm, amidst thecongestion, a sudden
catastrophic failure occurredand eyewitnesses would describe
the sound like gunfire, a seriesof sharp cracks, and the
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bridge's structure justcompletely gave way.
An eyewitness would go onrecord to saying I was driving
across when I felt a shudder.
Next thing I knew the roadbeneath me disappeared and I was
plunged into the icy water.
In those moments, vehicles andpassengers were hurled into the
frigid Ohio River.
The collapse claimed 46 livesand 31 vehicles were lost, and
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this tragedy has left apermanent scar on the community.
So in the aftermath, federaland state agencies launched an
exhaustive investigation touncover the cause of this
disaster, and the preliminaryfindings indicate that there was
a failure in the bridge'ssuspension system.
There was a critical eye bar inthe chain that fractured due to
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a minute defect.
And when I say minute, theanalysis revealed that a flaw a
mere one-tenth inches deep hadcompromised the integrity of the
suspension chain's I-bar, andthis defect, combined with the
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bridge bearing loads that wasreally far beyond its original
design capacity, culminated inthe tragic collapse.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
So in the wake of this.
Yeah, yeah, it was a horrificand terrible tragedy for such a
small town, less than acentimeter, less than a
centimeter.
Crazy yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Crazy, yeah, yep, it's like almost feels like it
couldn't even have beenprevented, because like it's
going to go and like it'sobviously going to go unnoticed
because it's so small.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Yeah Right, yep.
So in the wake of this disaster, residents began to draw a
conclusion that betweeneverything that had happened,
with all the eerie things inthis bridge collapse, there was
a connection.
A local resident would go onrecord to say we saw those red
eyes near the bridge weeksbefore it fell.
Some say it was a warning,others think it was an omen.
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So the Mothman, with itsglowing red eyes and ominous
presence was now intertwinedwith this narrative of the
Silver Bridge collapse.
Was the creature a harbinger ofdoom?
Was it foretelling thisimpending disaster?
Or was this merely just afigment of collective anxiety,
or like some kind ofmanifestation of the town's
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underlying fears?
So the Silver Bridge collapseprompted significant changes in
infrastructure safety protocolsacross the United States.
Regular inspections andstringent maintenance routines
became mandatory to prevent thistype of tragedy from occurring
in the future.
But for Point Pleasant, theevents between 1966 and 1967
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became more than just historicalfootnotes.
They evolved into, like thistapestry of folklore, cautionary
tales and this testament to thecommunity's resilience.
Today, you know, the Mothmanlegend endures and it really has
become like this symbol aboutthe thin veil between the known
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and the unknown, and it remindsus that there are mysteries that
lurk at the edges of ourunderstanding, beyond the, you
could say, beyond the shadow ofMothman's wings.
You know, there are othermysteries that took root in
Point Pleasant.
There are whispers of, you know, again, these dark suited
figures, a grinning man,paranormal activity it's all
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just like, woven into somethingthat's, you know, fantastical,
ensuring that extraordinaryencounters remain unreported.
Their origins and affiliationsremain subjects of intense
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speculation.
So these men in black kind ofunderscore the profound impact
of Mothman sightings, not justin Point Pleasant but everywhere
.
Here's where I think we have toask is Mothman a real cryptid?
Is it an omen of disaster orsomething even stranger?
Why do sightings of mothmancreatures continue worldwide?
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Are we dealing with singleentity or is it just a
reoccurring phenomenon acrosstime and space?
What do you all think?
Speaker 1 (40:35):
I think mothman is one creature.
Maybe he's like a god.
He can be everywhere at once.
That's why he can keep going toother places too, Okay because
I have like a whole list oftheories.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
So I want to hear your theory and then we're going
to talk about some theories.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
I think that it's definitely an interdimensional
being and I think that it'sattracted to places where things
are going to go down right andmaybe the reason people like
started noticing him it kind offed into that and made it a
little more powerful, like atulpa almost, if you believe in
that kind of thing.
But I definitely think thatthere is something to this.
There is something to all ofthe weird things going on in
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point pleasant, and I am sofucking excited to hear what
people have to say, right.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Right, right.
So some of the theories isthere's what is called the
cryptid hypothesis, so someresearch believes that it's a
flesh and blood, cryptid assomething kind of yet
undiscovered species ofsomething more related to a
large nocturnal bird or somekind of big flying mammal.
There is a sandhill cranetheory.
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So ornithologists propose thatsome kind of lost sandhill crane
, which has about a seven footwingspan and red markings around
its eyes, could have beenmisidentified as a supernatural
entity.
There's the owl theory.
You know they suggest that abarred owl's eyes reflecting
headlights, could have been, youknow, giving this illusion of
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red eyes in the dark.
The problem is, every witnessthat has ever seen Mothman and
we're talking worldwide hasdescribed him as a humanoid
figure with massive wings andthe ability to glide without
flapping.
So much like you, becca, theresaid there is an
interdimensional beinghypothesis.
So again, they think that he'snot a physical creature but
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something that exists outside ofnormal time and space, and this
could explain why there'ssudden appearances, bizarre
movements and the ability tovanish without a trace.
There is the Harbinger of Doomhypothesis, or the Omen theory
theory.
So there are people who believemothman appeared as a warning,
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foretelling disasters such asthe silver bridge collapse.
Similar winged creatures havereportedly been seen before
other catastrophes, so beforethe chernobyl disaster.
Mothman was sighted, and thiswas in 1986.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Whoa wait.
Yes, are you serious?
Oh my gosh, serious.
Yeah, what was he doing there?
Traveling what?
Speaker 4 (43:07):
do you think he was doing there?
Fucking Mothman shit man.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
He was foretelling disasters.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Guys, shit's about to go down.
You need to get out ofChernobyl, right, right.
He's like no one ever listensto me.
I'm trying to scare them awaybefore they die the most
misunderstood interdimensionalbeing ever.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
He's just trying to guys get out of here.
The bridge is gonna.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Oh, they just hear like an otherworldly screeching
when he opens his mouth and theyrun in terror and he's just
very calmly saying something isgoing to happen.
You need to get to safety.
The reactor's melting downthat's hysterical that is
hysterical.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
He sees the disaster and he kind of like his
shoulders and kind of like hangshis head down low, like well, I
tried once again I tried.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
You know he kicks a rock.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
Honestly, I kind of feel him on that, oh my god.
So in 2007 there was the I-35bridge collapse in Minnesota and
Mothman was allegedly spottedlike mere moments before it fell
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.
So those are two things thatyou know we can kind of point to
that he's been a part of.
I know that there are somepeople in it and I've heard it,
but I've not ever been able tofind any like real eyewitness
testimony.
But some people say thatmothman was seen before 9-11 too
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.
So just putting that out therehe knew never forget.
Oh right, it's crazy inside job,yeah it was an inside job.
There was, uh, the governmentexperiment hypothesis.
So you know we've talked a lotabout the tnt area.
So some people think thatmothman was the result of a
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secret government experimentthat was in the abandoned World
War II munitions plant, that itmay have been some kind of
bioengineered creature.
It was some kind of likemilitary project gone wrong.
The TNT did have a lot of toxicchemical waste.
At one point there areunderground tunnels and I just
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want to say on that front.
So I've visited Point Pleasantmultiple times and I've actually
, I've actually spent the nightin one of the concrete igloos,
shaped just like what you wouldthink, you know, a dome, large
dome with a little like squaredoff entrance and like these hard
metal doors, like thick metaldoors, and you know you go in
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there and it is just such a kindof a weird overwhelming feeling
again, because it is a thickstructure, like a Pixar mom.
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I meanyou have to walk down this path.
There's this like a pond overhere that you know.
I'm sure that that pondprobably still has some kind of
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chemical, toxic stuff in it, butthere's like a puddle of toxic
ooze.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
A moth falls into it gains the powers of Mothman, and
I can't help but wonder ifAngie didn't go and get the
powers of Mothman when she wentto go stay in the igloo and if
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she's been lying this whole time.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
I know I'm Mothman.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
The power of Mothman.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Do you think that if the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
met Mothman.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
Would they be friends or foes?
Probably foes, I think they'dbe.
You wouldn't, really, I thinkthey'd be friends.
Speaker 4 (46:52):
I think it'd be kind of like a you went out of the
patience.
I feel like it'd be like adaredevil and punisher kind of
thing.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
Yeah, yeah, they respect each other, but don't
really operate on the same.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
Want the same thing, just different ways of going
about it.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
Yeah, methods are questionable.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
Questionable, yeah, so then there's the
psychological mass hysteriahypothesis.
So this is where the skepticscome in and say that none of
this actually ever happened.
But it's just a case of masshysteria, and the panic
surrounding the silver bridgecollapse may have just
retroactively fueled falsememories.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
um of exaggerated accounts oh my god, those are
the men in black.
Yeah, because that makes themen in black.
That's the men in black comingout here for yeah, we see you,
you can't trick us.
That's the undercover men inblack pretending to be nothing
to see.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
Scientists and stuff I actually heard, everyone was
just stupid but hear me out hearme out now what this is?
Speaker 4 (47:54):
me pretending to be them, like it's, posing as like
a journalist.
I'm just seeing someone, andlike literally someone, dressed
like the men in black, like theblack suit, the tie, the black
shades, black shoes, but thenalso at the same time just like
a trench coat, over that with alittle notepad, and he goes yes,
but what if everyone's justfucking crazy, am I right?
Speaker 2 (48:13):
am I right?
Speaker 4 (48:14):
everybody like turns and looks at him and he just
like shrugs and was like youknow people who invited this
asshole.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
You know people.
I love it when they try to tellpeople who have lived in the
same area their whole life no,you didn't see what you thought
you saw.
You saw an animal that you'veprobably encountered before.
You just made a mistake.
It was a weather balloon.
Speaker 4 (48:33):
It was a weather balloon yeah don't you know what
an owl.
Speaker 3 (48:36):
Looks like idiot yeah so I I did want to, just kind
of as a footnote, just mentionsome other sightings, um because
they've been fairly recent.
So in 2009 there was um a 6.5magnitude earthquake in mexico
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and mothman was seen rightbefore that, and again,
witnesses described the largered-eyed winged figure hovering
over buildings he was at thechupacabra's quinceanera.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
That's what it was he just happened to be in the same
place at the same time.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
That was perfect.
I was just thinking.
Speaker 4 (49:24):
It's like he's just on vacation he's on an
interdimensional little vacation, griswold style, and he keeps
trying to have these nice timesand all these tragedies keep
happening around him, like sonof a I'm picturing him in like
Cancun, in like board shorts,with like a coconut drink, and
all of a sudden everythingstarts shaking and he just goes.
He just looks over.
There's a family looking at him, all terrified.
He goes like you're gonna blameme, aren't you?
Speaker 2 (49:46):
yeah, I already know what it looks like.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
Go ahead and take your picture so, uh, also in
2002 in afghanistan, soldiersstationed near bag Air Base a
claim to see a dark humanoidcreature gliding through the sky
at unnatural speeds.
Now some people say that wasjust kind of some kind of giant
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bat or bird, but you ton ofMothman sightings, same same
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description.
He was seen near O'HareInternational Airport.
All over the city there weretons of police, security
officers, truck drivers,bystanders, all reporting the
same event on the same day thathe was just flying all over
Chicago and, interestingly,after Chicago there were lots of
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men in black activityafterwards, just like in Point
Pleasant.
The thing about Point Pleasantis they have a museum and I
cannot think of his name off thetop of my head, but he's an
absolute, wonderful, wonderfulperson.
He has, you know, sourced allof the information about all of
this stuff, like he has all theoriginal police reports and he's
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just like this local expert onall things Mothman.
And I remember once, you know,having a conversation with him
and he was saying, like the menin black still to this day,
visit the families of those thatwere most affected.
And this was, I want to say, ohgosh, maybe 9-10 years ago, oh
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gosh, maybe nine, 10 years ago,when I was down there and at
that time when we had thatconversation they had visited
like two weeks prior.
So it's, you know, there'sstill a lot of things going on
in Point, pleasant with the menin black and the families that
that were affected, and twoevery few years.
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Locals still report.
They see Mothman.
There are reports from hunters,hikers, local residents.
They still see it Also as kindof just another side note.
So as I was scrolling throughTikTok as one does, I came
across a content creator namedTrue Storyteller and this was a
post that he made on 321.
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And he had two people comeforward to him with reports that
like a week prior to postingthat that, mothman was cited in
Bloomington, illinois, near USCNew Williams Hall.
He was seen again, describedtall figure, bright, glowing red
eyes.
The people who saw it thoughtit was like a prank.
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So it just started.
They started to approach it andthen it took off and flew, like
it just hovered and flew off.
Then, around the same time thatthis was going on, in Lancaster
, pa, on the Safe Harbor Trail,he reported that there was an
older man walking a dog late atnight.
The dog alerts, starts barking.
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He sees this tall figure.
It had red glowing eyes, largewings and it made a large
screeching howl and then tookoff into the sky.
Speaker 2 (53:16):
Love that.
Speaker 3 (53:18):
Yeah, so this was you know in March of 2025.
People are still seeing Mothmanno.
No, yeah, so this was you knowin March of 2025.
People are still seeing Mothmanno no, no.
That was like two weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
Point Pleasant just kind of seems like it's his main
hangout, like that's just wherehis home is, that's where his
little bungalow is, whatever helives in, he's just like, yeah,
this is my place, but likeBungalow, yeah, he just kind of
like goes wherever there's gonnabe a disaster and he's like,
hey, guys like you better watchout.
And then he just gets kind ofstumbled across wherever.
He's just trying to like vibeand chill by himself.
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The poor guy, he can't get hisprivacy it's like the opposite
of pleasant.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
Why the fuck did they call it point pleasant?
It sucks here.
That's the point.
It's like the opposite ofpleasant.
Speaker 4 (54:02):
Why the fuck did they call it point pleasant?
That sucks here.
That's the point.
Speaker 3 (54:04):
It's not pleasant but I will say, you know, for this
town to like have this infamyand just, you know, here we are.
You know, um, still talkingabout it in 2025.
They have really just decidedto embrace their history, um, so
every year they have a Mothmanfestival.
You can go and get Mothmanpizza.
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I highly recommend it.
It is amazing.
You know there are museums anda lot of you know just shops and
stuff that are all Mothmancentered.
The other thing is, you knowlet's talk a little bit, just
briefly, about the pop culturehow Mothman has really
influenced pop culture andbecame like this modern day
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urban legend.
So we all know the MothmanProphecies film, right?
Yes, so this was John Keel'sbook that was written at, in
Point Pleasant, the lowes hotel.
I've actually stayed at thelowes hotel, stayed in the room
that john keel wrote the book in.
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That hotel is very haunted.
So if anyone is looking for ascary good time, um, definitely
go to the low's Hotel in PointPleasant, and you know the
museum has a lot of thememorabilia and actual things
from that film.
So, again, if you're ever inPoint Pleasant and want to check
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out all things Mothman, go andtouch the statue and check out.
You know how caked up he isfrom the backside, you know,
definitely Double-cheeked up.
Speaker 4 (55:43):
Dummy.
Speaker 3 (55:43):
There's no reason that that statue needed to come
with that ass.
It's interesting like peoplenow are literally leaving money
in the crack of his ass.
Wow.
Speaker 2 (55:54):
Dude, I've been thinking it this whole time.
Mothman sounds handsome as hell.
All dark and handsome, check,check, check.
Speaker 4 (56:03):
Alright, marry, fuck.
Kill the bear, a man or mothman.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
The bear, a man, moth bear.
Speaker 3 (56:20):
I would marry the bear.
Fuck the man.
No wait, fuck mothman and killthe man.
Hey, mothman, I don't know whatyou guys are talking about I
feed that dummy thick, hell yeahso mothman has also, like it's
just kind of very recently,seems to be more and more taking
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over internet culture.
I mean, build-a-bear even has aMothman they do.
So it's they they do.
And I actually have it, I haveone, I have a, I have a Mothman
Build-A-Bear.
I love it so much.
But yeah.
So I mean, guys, this is, thisis the Mothman story.
You know, at the end of end ofeverything, I don't really have
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anything else.
So you know, final thoughts,did I, did I keep you, uh,
hostage too long?
Speaker 2 (57:08):
no, no, it was perfect, it's a perfect story
it's perfectly done such goodresearch and I can tell you care
so much about it because youhave the merch girl, like you've
been on the tour, like you gotall the mothman lore.
I love it so much I do a lot.
Speaker 3 (57:23):
I mean I just love it and I just I really wanted to
do this for my birthday week andso thank you guys for humoring
me.
I just it's.
It's just, I love my state somuch.
Um, I think there's so muchbeauty but there's also so much
lore in the Appalachianmountains and I just, I just
wanted to pay like homage to my,my roots, and you know the, the
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tales and the, the lore thatcomes out of West Virginia so,
as our West Virginia expert likeI want to know what do you
think Mothman is?
Speaker 2 (58:00):
tell us Appalachia girl, what is this thing?
Speaker 3 (58:03):
I think, I think it's an interdimensional being.
I think it's definitely an omen, I think that it's curious and
I I think it's benevolent.
I do not think, except maybefor the dog.
I'm a little upset that the dogdidn't return.
Speaker 4 (58:17):
I know, I know, I know a companion yeah, he
adopted it he goes, this is minenow.
Speaker 3 (58:27):
I hope so, I hope so, but yeah, I, I don't think it's
.
I don't think it's a malevolentspirit.
I think it seems to, you know,maybe it's some kind of time
traveling interdimensional thing.
You know, that it seems to becentered around things that are
like disasters and it's eitherobserving the disaster or trying
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to like tell people something'shappening.
But I think it's more aboutobservation.
Honestly, I definitely thinkthere's so much lore and like
Indrid Cold could be his ownlike episode, but you know,
indrid Cold could be his ownepisode, but Indrid Cold is tied
to a lot of different stories,not just Mothman.
But they seem to be theseobservers.
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I think it's real.
I think these people absolutelyexperienced something.
I will never discount theireyewitness.
Testimonies because it'ssubstantiated and corroborated
worldwide, right, absolutely.
Testimonies because it's it'ssubstantiated and corroborated
worldwide.
You know, right, if you haveenough, it's.
It's why I believe so much inbigfoot too, because there are
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people that absolutely seesomething.
And you know, if we kind of goback you know particularly becca
to the one episode where wetalked about, you know the back
rooms in, you know kind of themodern day folklore, how do you,
how do you prove or disprovethat somebody had an experience?
Speaker 2 (59:49):
exactly right, because it's all hearsay.
It literally is all hearsay.
It just depends on whose mouthyou want to hear it coming from,
and that's literally it at theend of the day.
Oh, absolutely 100%, Brookewhat do you think of Mothman?
Give me your scorecard now thatyou've heard his whole story.
What do you think Mothman is?
What do you think he wants?
Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
I think Mothman, like you guys think, I do think he's
interdimensional, I think he'shighly misunderstood.
I think he's kind of a sad soul.
I feel really bad for himbecause all he's trying to do is
like warn people and heaccidentally scares them and
then they're probably like, ohyeah, like this disaster is
Mothman's fault, like fuck him.
And he's like guys like Iliterally was just trying to
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tell you to leave the stupid assbridge or like wherever.
And then like also, he hasthese crazy people following him
around, being like, yeah, likestraight up, like you didn't see
Mothman.
You People following him aroundbeing like, yeah, like straight
up, like you didn't see Mothman, you guys are crazy.
Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
And then he's like guys, like now everyone's saying
I'm not even real, Like I'm areal guy and everyone doesn't,
even I'm a real boy.
Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Tuck tinkerbell, nobody believes.
Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
I'm kind of happy for him at the same time, because
at least in Point Pleasant theykind of are like treating him
like he's their god they built astatue of him and they're like
yeah, big ass, mothman, he's assexy as the Greek gods, you know
.
Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
Zeus who.
Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
All right, Kyle, you came in at literally the halfway
point.
You got the back half of thisstory.
Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
I'm curious what you think about mothman now I'm kind
of piggybacking off of uhbrooks feelings, like we were
saying it like jokingly, likehaving fun.
But I think I definitely agreewith ang that it it sounds like.
It sounds like he.
Exactly like he.
He means well, and he's justtrying to warn people of the bad
thing, like somehow he's gotwhatever powers and shit that it
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is.
He knows something bad's gonnahappen, but he and he's just
trying to warn people of the badthing, like somehow he's got
whatever powers and shit that itis.
He knows something bad is goingto happen, but he and he's
trying to communicate it.
And people can understand himbecause he's a giant freaking
moth and we are but bags of meat, you know, and so we.
So we can't understand him.
And so there's, like you know,it's like when the dogs bark,
it's like Lassie Bark bark, bark, bark, bark.
Timmy's in the well, bark bark.
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We can't understand him.
So it's kind of like that I mean, and let's face it, he's
freaking menacing looking.
He's not a cute little Spaniel.
You have your type.
Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
I have a human.
He said, hey, don't yuck my yum.
Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
Hey, hey, hey.
Everyone fucks funny to someone.
Who am I to judge?
Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Yep, Yep, but still, but still we hope they can ride
on an odd bicycle.
Speaker 4 (01:02:29):
But like you know, like kind of damn, kind of damn
scary.
Very much so.
So, yeah, I definitely thinkthere's.
I definitely believe that Godtrain come back, come back,
Something to it.
Yeah, there, definitely thinkthere's, I definitely believe
that God train come back.
Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Come back Something to it.
Speaker 4 (01:02:43):
Yeah, there definitely is something to it,
and I think the only thing atleast for me, the thing that
makes the most sense is that heis just trying to warn us and
everyone is so quick to labelsomething bad just because they
don't understand it and they seebad things happening.
He's the real life, bruno.
Only we're talking about himand we can't talk about Bruno.
So, yeah, bad things happening.
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He's the real life, bruno, onlywe're talking about him and we
can't talk about bruno.
Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
So, yeah, he's just warning us and so he's like you
to stop talking about him.
Speaker 4 (01:03:09):
Screw you will smith the fucking men in black get
mothman's name out of yourfucking mouth yeah, but becca
wants mothman in oh my, I'm likecatching snowflakes on my
tongue out here in Point,pleasant.
Spoiler alert I need snow.
Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Well, angie, this was so incredible and it's so
perfectly timed, because it'slike a little early birthday
present for you.
And I'm going to close out theepisode here.
I'm going to say this was ourMothman deep dive and, let's be
honest, audience, you gobbled upevery crumb, didn't you?
There is something sotantalizing about a tall drink
of eldritch water.
Hopefully Moth Daddy acceptsour offering as a tribute and
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blesses our endeavors withominous abundance, instead of
whipping us for our impudence.
Rate, comment and subscribewherever you get podcasts,
because we are still breathingand you can't keep us from these
microphones.
Now that we know what therecord button does, we're
putting out a new episode everysingle Monday.
I don't care if there's a fire,I don't care if there's a flood
, I don't care if there is amoth who is a man.
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We will be back next week.
Hell yeah, goodbye my love.
Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
Bye, that is what a hell of a sundial.
Bye, bye, that is one hell of asundial.
Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Bye Say bye Kyle, Bye Kyle, I'll see you next time.
Before we begin today's episode of the Black
Curtain Club podcast, we wouldlike to share a quick disclaimer
.
The views, opinions andstatements expressed by the
hosts and guests on this podcastare their own personal views
and are provided in their ownpersonal capacity.
All content is editorial,opinion-based and intended for
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entertainment purposes only.
Listener discretion is advised.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Hello, my fellow interdimensional beings, Welcome
back to the Black Curtain Clubpodcast.
I'm Becca and today I'm joinedby my friends Brooke and Angie
for a very special, very highlyanticipated Mothman episode.
We're taking you back to thevibes of episode one, as Brooke
and I are being held hereagainst our will and Angie won't
give us the key until we'veheard her disturbingly detailed
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account of the Mothman lore.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Brooke, I'm kind of scared, I'm excited.
I want to be forced to be toldabout the Mothman.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Well, I'm going to do that your wish is granted, my
lady well, I want to say Ireally appreciate you all just
letting me walk you through this, because this is my birthday
week and I just wanted to dosomething special.
I'm from West Virginia and thisstory is just so ingrained in
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our state culture.
There's so much that gets leftout and I just wanted to take a
moment to really tell the wholestory.
So I appreciate you guys beingheld hostage.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
It's literally the least we could do.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
It's time to learn something new.
Also, happy birthday.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Happy early birthday.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Thank you All.
Right, you guys ready.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, I'm ready.
Mothman festivities, let's go.
Time for a roller coaster.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Okay, so there are places in this world where the
past never truly fades, wherehistory lingers, pressing
against the present, waiting tobe remembered, and some say
Point Pleasant, west Virginia,is one of those places.
Most people know this town forMothman, so it's this winged
creature with glowing red eyesthat terrorized locals in the
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1960s.
But long before the firstsighting, before the Silver
Bridge collapsed, before thetown became famous for a cryptid
, point Pleasant already had ashadow over it, and this is a
legend that's older than Americaitself.
It's a story of betrayal, bloodand a dying man's final words
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that some say doomed this landforever.
So I have your attention withthat, my god angie, I am on the
edge of my seat.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I'm ready for doom.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Lay it on us, okay, okay wait a minute, I got the
giggles now, god damn it.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
maybe we should just launch an episode where it's
just us laughing the entire timeand there's no other sound.
It's just us cracking up, right.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
The pressure of not being able to laugh makes it
worse.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yeah, it does.
It's like you're in church orsomething and you're not
supposed to laugh.
Okay, so our story begins inthe late 1700s, where the land
that is now West Virginia wasstill a very dangerous frontier.
It was a battleground whereNative American tribes were
fighting to protect their homesfrom the relentless westward
expansion of settlers.
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So among them was a greatShawnee leader, hokulesqua,
better known as Chief Cornstalk.
So by 1774, tensions betweenthe settlers and the Shawnee had
reached a breaking point, andit culminated in the Battle of
Point Pleasant, a brutal, bloodyconflict between Chief
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Cornstalk's warriors and theVirginia militia that was led by
Colonel Andrew Lewis.
And this battle raged along thebanks of the Ohio river and the
Shawnee far fart.
The Shawnee fart.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Shawnee, you're just fiddle farting around right.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Okay, and the Shawnee fought fiercely and they were
ultimately forced to retreat.
Cornstalk understood thatfurther bloodshed would only
bring more suffering to hispeople.
So he chose diplomacy overvengeance and he agreed to a
peace treaty.
But just three years later, in1777, his goodwill would be
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repaid with betrayal.
So Chief Cornstalk and his sonEllen Nipsico who was otherwise
known as just Nipsico traveledto Fort Randolph, a military
garrison in Point Pleasant.
And he had come as not an enemybut a diplomat.
And he was there to warn thesettlers that there were hostile
tribes planning to attack.
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But instead of gratitude, hewas met with treachery.
So the soldiers at the forttook Cornstalk and his son
hostage.
They imprisoned them anddefinitely did not treat them as
peacekeepers.
They wanted to keep them asbargaining chips.
So days passed and Cornstalk andhis son remained in captivity.
But then their fate would takean even darker turn.
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So, after an unrelated skirmishbetween settlers and another
group of Native Americans, amilitia man was killed, and the
soldiers, driven by rage andvengeance, decided that somebody
had to pay the price.
And so, despite the fact thatCornstalk had come in peace,
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despite the fact that he hadwarned them of the impending
attack, the soldiers turnedtheir rifles on him and his son
and they were executed in coldblood.
And this is where legend andhistory kind of blur, because as
Cornstalk lay dying, as hisblood was seeping into the dirt
of Point Pleasant, it is saidthat he spoke his final words
not of fear, not of pleading,but of a curse upon the land,
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pleading, but of a curse uponthe land.
That the exact wordings of thecurse has been kind of lost to
time.
The accounts that survive tellus that Cornstalk condemned
Point Pleasant to centuries ofsuffering, that no great
prosperity would come to thosewho settled and the land itself
would be cursed with misfortuneand death.
So whether it was a curse of adying man or just a story
twisted over time, the strangetruth is Point Pleasant has been
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a place of tragedy andunexplained horrors ever since.
For nearly two centuries afterhis death, point Pleasant
suffered fires, floods, disease,and some say, yes, these were
natural disasters, but otherssay that they were echoes of
this man's dying words.
But then something changed.
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The curse wasn't just whisperedin stories anymore.
It took a form and it grewwings.
And in the fall of 1966, peoplestarted seeing something
lurking in the darkness and ithad red eyes.
It moved faster than any humanand it left fear in its wake.
And soon people at PointPleasant realized the horrors of
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the past were far from over andsomething else had arrived.
So I just kind of want to checkin with you as we kind of close
that portion of the story.
What do you think Sad?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
That is very sad.
Like it's, I could see it beingtrue, and that's what makes it
so sad.
It was rough times here inAmerica for a while and we
weren't very kind to the peoplethat hosted us, so I could
definitely see this being trueand, honestly, if he did it good
, probably deserved it.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Right.
So I'm going to take you now tothe arrival of mothman.
So for nearly 200 years thecurse of chief cornstalk kind of
lingered over point pleasant.
But in the autumn of 1966something arrived in the
darkness, something that no onecould explain, and it didn't
strike like a flood, a fire or awar, I said.
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It came with glowing red eyesand the people who saw it would
never be the same.
So the first sighting actuallyhappened in November 12th of
1966.
And this is known as thegraveyard encounter.
So it kind of started with awhisper, an omen, just out of
sight.
And on November 12th five menwere digging a grave in
Clendenin, west Virginia, whichis about an hour's drive from
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Point Pleasant.
As they were worked, under thedimming dusk of light, their
shovels scraping against thecold earth, something caught
their eye.
It was a shadow that movedoverhead and at first they
thought it was just a large bird, maybe an owl, but then it
spread its wings.
The men froze.
They would later describe it asa dark humanoid shape,
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something that flew withoutflapping its wings, something
that seemed too large, toounnatural to even belong in the
sky.
And then it was just gone.
They stood there breathless,the freshly dug grave at their
feet and they were unsure ofwhat they had just seen.
So the story might have fadedinto an old ghost tale.
Another strange night in thehills of West Virginia, in
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Appalachia.
Except it didn't stop there.
The following night somethingeven more terrifying would
happen.
So this is going to take us tothe most infamous sighting in
the sighting that really kind ofstarted the whole legend.
So this is the TNT chase, andthis happened on November 15th
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of 1966.
Roger and Linda Scarberry,along with Steve and Mary
Millett, were driving justoutside the town near an
abandoned World War II munitionsplant.
This place the locals calledthe TNT area, so it was on a
dark, desolated stretch of road.
It's the kind of place thatalways feels a little haunted.
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And then from the shadows itstepped into their headlights
seven feet tall, massive wingsfolded against its back and its
eyes glowing red, burning likecoals.
They sat frozen in their car,hearts pounding.
And then it moved.
It didn't run, it didn't walk,it lifted into the air and then
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it was chasing them.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Oh my gosh, no Shit.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
So the couples then floor it.
Their car is hitting speeds ofover 100 miles an hour, and yet
it was keeping up.
The creature didn't flap itswings, it glided, following them
effortlessly like it was toyingwith them, and as they reached
the town limits, just before thecity lights met the darkness of
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the TNT area, it vanished.
So the group that was stillkind of you know, very rattled
and shaking over this encounter.
They drove straight to thepolice, and these were not the
kind of people to make upstories.
So you know, this is a ruraltown in West Virginia.
These are kind of like youwould call salt of the earth
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kind of people.
Right their reputation, theirword, was like their currency.
They were young, married,level-headed people, and yet
they saw something that changedthem forever.
And it didn't stop with justthem.
Over the next few days, more andmore people came forward.
There was a man who saw two redlights staring at him from the
woods, and when he approachedthey rose up and flew away.
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There was a woman driving homealone felt something watching
her, and when she looked intoher rear view mirror she saw a
dark figure following her fromabove.
And then there were a group ofteens that claimed that it
landed on their roof, scratchingup the shingles, and vanished
into the night.
Oh, my gosh, and thesedescriptions were always the
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same massive wings, glowing redeyes, a terrifying presence.
That made the air itself kindof feel heavier, and soon the
people of point pleasant werejust not afraid they were being
hunted.
So I just first want to do alittle check-in again with you
all to see where your head's at.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Oh, my god angie I feel like picturing, like go
ahead.
The mothman is like the, he'slike the embodiment of the curse
.
He is cursed, but he is also.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
He is also the curse picturing like the cop from
terminator 2, just chasing themdown like that weird predatory
stillness, but moving so fastand the way it's just gliding
like it's not even flapping itswings to catch up.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
It's not even flapping like, it's just like.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
It's like an airplane , it's just going, yeah but
honestly, seven foot tall, big,big wings, oh my God.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yeah.
So I want to try to paint likea very comprehensive picture as
much as possible.
So just wanted to take a momentto relay some eyewitness
statements.
So, when you know, while thetale of Mothman is, you know,
kind of a legend that's beenbirthed, I really feel like it's
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the voices of who were there,their raw, unfiltered accounts,
that truly bring this story tolife Again.
Let's journey back to 1966 andtalk about some of these
eyewitness accounts and actually, in a roundaboutabout way, hear
directly from them.
So let's talk about theScarberry and Millette encounter
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which again was on November15th.
They were, they had set out fora drive at the old West
Virginia ordinance works andagain, this is commonly known as
the TNT area.
As they approached the defunctpower plant, their headlights
caught something that defiedexplanation.
Linda Scarberry would say, andI quote it was standing there
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tall, maybe seven feet, wingsfolded against his back, but
those eyes, red, glowing, theyseemed to pierce right through
you.
Panic set in, roger slammed onthe accelerator and the car
fishtailed on the gravel road.
And then Roger Scarberry, whowould give his testimony and say
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I pushed it over a hundred, butit was right above us, gliding,
didn't flap its wings, justkept up with us.
I've never been so scared in mylife, and their ordeal didn't
end until it reached the citylimits, while the creature
veered off into the darkness,they were extremely shaken and
as they reported the incident tothe local sheriff, their
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account marked the beginning ofeverything that would haunt
Point Pleasant.
There was also a gentleman bythe name of Newell Partridge and
he also had a terrifyingencounter.
So this was not long after theScarberry and Millette encounter
and he's a resident of Salem,west Virginia, which is
approximately 90 miles fromPoint Pleasant.
He added it was a quiet evening.
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I was watching TV when thescreen suddenly went dark,
filled with this strange pattern.
Then a loud whining noisestarted, like a generator
winding up His dog.
Bandit, a German Shepherd,would begin to howl outside.
Newell would go on to say Igrabbed my flashlight and went
out to see what had growled himup.
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That's when I saw those eyes,two red circles like bicycle
reflectors staring at me fromthe barn.
Bandit took off towards itgrowling.
I called for him, but hewouldn't come back.
The next morning Bandit wasgone, leaving only paw prints
that led to the barn but didn'treturn.
His account, though occurringmiles away, shared a common
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thread of the eerie and red eyes, and it just deepened the
enigma surrounding Mothman.
Also, on November 16th there wasthe Thomas family sighting, so
this was a day after Scarberryand Millette.
So Marcella Bennett, along withher brother, raymond Walmsley
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and his wife, visited the homeof Ralph and Virginia Thomas,
and this was located near theTNT area.
Marcella would say, and I quotewe pulled up to the Thomas
house and as I got out of thecar with my baby, I saw it lying
on the ground, like it had justbeen startled.
It slowly rose up, its eyesfixed on us, end quote just been
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startled.
It slowly rose up, its eyesfixed on us, end.
Quote Paralyzed by fear, shedropped her daughter and fell on
top of her, shielding her fromthe creature.
Marcello would also say it waslike time stopped.
I couldn't move, couldn't thinkthose eyes.
I'll never forget them.
So the family rushed inside,locked the doors and the
creature reportedly approachedthe porch, peering through the
windows, before disappearing inthe night.
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So all of these accounts, eachunique, had a very eerie
similarity and it just kind ofweaved into the tapestry of the
mystery that has enshroudedPoint Pleasant for decades.
Whether this is a manifestationof clear fear, or a
misidentified creature, or justsomething beyond comprehension.
This mothman remains, like this, enigma.
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So before we get into how themedia gets involved in all of
this, I just wanted to doanother check-in.
Um, I know this, this is kindof a very creepy story, so I
just want to keep checking inwith you guys the things that I
am I'm picking up on aremultiple people seeing this.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
The first instance, it was four people that saw it,
and then somebody else backingthem up days later and I can't
help but notice that mothmanstole somebody's dog.
Excuse me, are we just gonnaglaze over that?
Speaker 1 (17:59):
yeah, he stole the dog, he stole it and like, like,
what I'm kind of wondering is,like, is he going after families
that are like somehow connectedto the Cornfield slaughter, or
like, is he just like, oh, likeyou have a farm, like let me
take your animals, yum yum,thank you for the dog.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Right, Like what are his motivations at this point?
Because right now he just seemsto be scaring people and acting
like a dementor from harrypotter you're right.
Dementor from harry potter oh,he's like on the ground, like
she caught him slipping.
He was like taking a littlesnooze.
Oh shit, I was supposed to bescary, she's like.
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I laughed so hard I dropped mykid.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
I should not so this is where the media gets involved
and the town becomes famous orinfamous.
So on november 16th and 19thpoint, pleasant register ran a
headline that would cement thisinto history forever, and it
just read couple c man-sizedbird creature, something now the
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town's fear was publicknowledge.
Reporters flooded in, paranormalinvestigators arrived and every
night more and more peoplewould patrol the roads of Point
Pleasant hoping to catch aglimpse of something in the dark
.
And then, as suddenly as itappeared, the sighting stopped.
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It wasn't over, because justone year later, on December 15th
1967, point Pleasant would facea disaster that no one saw
coming.
So we're going to lead into theSilver Bridge collapse in the
Men in Black.
Are you guys ready for this?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Hold on.
Do we want to acknowledge thatsomebody has entered?
Look who decided to show up.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
He heard we were talking about mothman, couldn't
resist I know as if, as if thewinged creature himself has
popped in.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
We are now joined with kyle hi kyle the man in
black more like it yeah, hemight not be as mysterious as
the Mothman, he might be alittle more kooky, cookie.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Cookie.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
I thought you said cookie.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
It's that Canadian accent yeah bud.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Not the accent oh.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
So she's not a goose, she's a cobra chicken.
Anyway, proceed, goose, she's acobra chicken anyway proceed.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
So, as if the sightings weren't strange enough
, what happened next was evenstranger, if you can imagine
that that's when the men inblack arrived and they basically
wanted everyone to stop talking.
So, in the wake of the mothmansightings, residents in Point
Pleasant reported encounterswith these mysterious
individuals known as the Men inBlack, and these figures were
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often described as wearingimpeccable black suits and
exhibiting particular weirdbehavior.
Basically, they seemed intenton suppressing information about
all of the explained phenomenon.
One eyewitness would say, and Iquote they came to my door, two
men in dark suits.
Their speech was odd, like theyweren't from around here.
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They warned me not to speak ofwhat I'd seen.
End quote.
Okay, right, and you know,people think that jehovah's
witnesses are bad.
Um, I know, they have nothingon the men in black?
Speaker 2 (21:28):
How did you know where I lived?
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Men in black have their little territory cards.
Sorry, just a little JW humorthere.
They have their mission, we haveours so as the sightings
increased, so did the reports ofthese mysterious individuals
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that were urging people toremain silent.
These men in black, as theycame to be known, just added
this layer of conspiracy andfear that was already pretty
tense in Point Pleasant.
So Mary Heyer, who was a localjournalist, received numerous
visits from these figures and itjust further entrenched the
Mothman saga into, like, thisrealm of the unexplained.
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So Mary Heyer would say, quote.
They came to my office askingstrange questions about the
sightings, about the peoplereporting them.
Their behavior was off, almostmechanical, end quote.
So the men in black phenomenonwasn't isolated, just to point,
pleasant though Similar accountshave surfaced globally, even
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linked to UFO sightings, it justseems to remain ambiguous.
Are they government agents?
No-transcript.
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They came to our home dressedin black suits and told us not
to speak about what we saw.
It was terrifying.
And these visits were notisolated.
Other residents reported similarencounters.
Carpenter Carpenter was anotherwitness who reported a close
encounter with Mothman whiledriving home.
Shortly after she wasapproached by strange men who
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warned her to remain silent.
Connie would go on record andsay they followed me, insisting
I forget what I saw.
Their presence was unnerving.
So these accounts suggest thatthere was an absolute concerted
effort to suppress informationabout the Mothman sightings.
So this also leads us into adiscussion about Indrid Cold,
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1966, woodrow Derenberger, whowas a sewing machine salesman,
was driving home from Interstate77 near Parkersburg, west
Virginia, and guys, this is thisis about to take a very wild
turn.
Are you ready?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Yeah, I am strapped on and ready to go OK.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Did she say strap in or strap on?
Oh my God.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Give me that injured, cold angie injured, not to be
confused with injuring joe fromtom sawyer.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah, I don't even think about getting the two
confused, yeah right, all right.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
So let's let's pull it back to Woodrow.
So his journey took anunexpected turn when he
encountered a strange vehiclethat forced him to stop and when
I say a strange vehicle, I'mnot talking.
Looked like a kerosene lampchimney, flaring at both ends,
narrowing down to a small neckand then enlarging in a great
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bulge in the center.
It hovered about 12 inches offthe road.
That was the end of that quote.
So from this craft he would saythat a tall figure with an
unsettling broad grin wouldapproach Derenberger and was
able to communicate with himtelepathically.
He would go on to say he toldme his name was Endred Cold and
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that he meant me no harm.
He was curious about humans andour way of life, and so this
event would mark the beginningof a whole series of
interactions that Derenbergerwould have with Endrid cold and
cold purportedly, according towoodrow, shared insights about
his origin from a planet calledlanilus.
(25:45):
Are you ready to hear aboutlanilus?
I'm so ready, can we?
Speaker 4 (25:49):
find out how he got his name.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
First indrid cold.
I don't know.
Are you talking about indridcold or woodrow?
Speaker 4 (25:56):
I don't know, the Lancelot sounded one.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Oh, the Lanelist, the Lancelot.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
The.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Lancelot Right.
So Woodrow's interactions withIndrid Cold extended.
That initial meeting hailedfrom the planet Lanilus in the
galaxy of Ganymedes, a placewhere inhabitants lived in peace
and had lifespans exceeding 100years.
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He would go under record andsay he told me about Lanilus, a
place without war, where peoplelived long, happy lives.
It sounded like a utopia.
So these accounts surroundingIndra Cold traverse a whole
spectrum of experiences, fromunsettling encounters to
profound revelations.
So you know again, is he aharbinger, an observer or
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participant in some kind oftapestry of unexplained
phenomena?
But Indrid Cold will forever beintertwined with the events in
the story of Point Pleasant,even to this day.
So one of the things that isalso a connection to Indrid Cold
is something called theGrinning man phenomenon.
So Indrid Cold's descriptionaligns with the reports of the
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Grinning man and he was amysterious figure observed in
various locations during the1960s, figure observed in
various locations during the1960s.
He was described as a tallhumanoid with a fixed eerie grin
and it often was in conjunctionwith UFO sightings.
So these sightings contributeto like this broader narrative
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of unsettling encounters duringthis period and it kind of blurs
the line betweenextraterrestrial and encrypted.
Prior to Derenberger'sexperience on October 6th in
1966, two boys in Elizabeth, newJersey, martin Mouse Munov and
James Jimmy Yanketus, reported achilling encounter.
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So as they were walking along4th Street they noticed a tall
figure standing near a fence.
Martin would say he was juststanding there staring right at
us with this big grin.
It didn't feel right.
They described him as a tall,bald man wearing a reflective
green suit.
A figure's unsettling grin lefta huge mark on these boys.
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The incident is among some ofthe earliest reports linking
injured cold to the grinning manphenomenon.
During around this same period,the Lilly family of Point
Pleasant also reported a seriesof unexplained events in their
home, including poltergeistactivity and sightings of
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diamond shaped lights.
Linda Lilly would say I woke upone night and saw a man
standing over me.
He was tall with a big grin.
I was terrified.
So this account adds just thisother layer to the Indra Kold
narrative.
It suggests that his presencewas not maybe just confined to
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isolated incidents but also partof, like this, broader pattern
of unexplained phenomena in theregion.
Some researchers propose thatthere is a connection between
Indrid Cold and the Men in Black.
Witnesses have describedencounters with grinning
individuals in dark suits whoexhibit unusual behavior.
So, you know, are the men inblack part of the grinning man,
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indrid Cold?
Is Indrid Cold a man in black?
But regardless, you know theirpresence was very much about
suppressing and manipulating theinformation regarding the
Mothman and extraterrestrialencounters.
You know their job seems to besuppressing whatever is going on
.
How are you guys doing?
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Just want to check in.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
The green suit and the smile the grinning man is
giving me Jim Carrey in the mask.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Well, I don't think he has green skin, though like
these are like very pale figures.
He had a green suit on, buttheir, their, their skin is very
pale.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
It's very uncanny valley so interesting that the
men in black always find theirway into stories like this, and
it always.
It's always the same thing,right, Trying to suppress the
spread of information, trying toget people to isolate
themselves and not talk aboutwhat they saw.
And I always wonder what is thepoint in that?
You know, why do they?
Why are they trying to suppressthis so bad?
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And it makes me wonder if thereis something to like.
A bunch of people startbelieving in this thing and
suddenly it gets more powerful,like do they know something we
don't, is it?
Speaker 1 (30:44):
the power of collective thought that they're
trying to suppress.
Right are the.
Are the men in black?
Are they aliens?
Are they government?
Yes nobody knows both maybe amixture.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
I mean there's speculation that you know they
could be both.
They could be extraterrestrialand working for the government
or with the government.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Lizard people.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Look up their descriptions.
It's very terrifying.
They don't look human when yousee them face to face.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
They're almost robotic.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Apparently they have a wrongness about them where
they don't seem like they're oneof us, but it's just the
stories that people tell.
So it's interesting that wehave men in black, injured, cold
mothman, all in the same area.
They are causing hell in westvirginia.
I love this.
This is so exciting.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
I'm here for the chaos, it's a hot spot I still
don't even know if like, like,if they're the ones causing the
hell or they're like, screw it,we'll blend in, because, like,
screw it, we'll blend in, causelike it's West Virginia, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Like, no one will pick up on it.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
It's like a conference, exactly Like that's
where you know it's like it'sjust Tuesday.
It's just Tuesday.
You know what I mean.
I'm still a firm believerthough that I have.
I have friends.
I'm absolutely off my rockerwith this one.
I'm a firm believer that themovies Men in Black were
designed and put out by the Menin Black or by some type of like
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the government or whatever itis, but more or less to kind of
throw them off, to throw thepublic off their trail Do you
think Will.
Smith knows?
I think absolutely not, but Ithink that that movie was
designed and released, like Isaid, to just kind of like oh,
they're not real, it's just ashaha, it's just a Hollywood
movie.
So yeah, kind of like everyonestops paying attention because,
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like Men in Black oh, you meanthe movie.
I love it.
It's great, Like I feel.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
I don't know something about watching that
movie right, like if somebody'sgoogling information about men
in black, they're gonna find outabout tommy lee jones, exactly,
exactly.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
That's, that's all they're, just that's all they're
gonna see.
I'm, I'm so serious.
So if anyone starts snooping,yeah, just go to google search
and that's all you're gonna seeis just those movies and this,
that and the other thing, andmaybe you'll see a couple of
things about, like you know,mothman and ufos and so on and
so forth, but for the most partyou're just gonna see the movies
.
And then now I mean, yeah, thenthey made the fourth one, which
wasn't necessarily the best,but whatever, it's just like it
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just keeps burying the truth, ifyou will, about them and I
think there is just like.
I also think that they did it.
They just like blatantlyadmitted about them like, yes,
they're a real thing.
No, they're not the government,they're their own privately
working entity.
Aliens are.
We hold the patents on certaintechnologies.
That's how we pay for all ofthis.
So like go back and watch thosemovies.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
And just tell me that , like it doesn't make so much
more sense.
Like, oh my God, that's exactlywhat these are.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
They're like intergalactic Kingsmen this
reminds me of that theory thatwhen they made the movie, Frozen
that Disney movie.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
The reason they did that was so that, for search
engine optimization, if peoplewere wondering if Walt Disney
was frozen, they would typeDisney Frozen.
A movie would come up, you know, like a sensationalized movie.
So I can totally see whereyou're coming from and I don't
think you're crazy for thinkingit.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
It's kind of interesting that you say that,
because I feel like we have somany conspiracy theories about
or who knows if they're actuallyconspiracy theories known
truths basically at this point,and I think that the ones that
are they want to cover up harderare the ones they're making
movies about.
Like we can talk about wendigos, we can talk about the
illuminati all day, but they'renot sitting over here like
making disney movies and stuffabout those things.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
I can't buy three days to get the tickets to the
first release of a disney movieabout the illuminati, which is
really funny because I feel thatthat'd be a pixar the main song
of it is still like the firstsong from moana, like the first
song in the illuminati moviewould be like the one we're safe
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here, there's no need to leave.
You're fine right where you are.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Don't go out there like that's one of us, one of us
exactly the illuminati isfriendly, like, don't worry
about it any.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Illuminati forever anywho mothman um, I I do want
to spend a little bit of timetalking about the bridge
collapse, um, and kind of wantto have a little bit of
reverence here because a lot ofpeople lost their lives.
So as 1967 drew to a close, thetown of Point Pleasant was all
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about the holiday spirit.
There were shoppers thatfilling the streets, you know
children's laughter everywhere.
The Silver Bridge stood as thisvital artery connecting
communities across the OhioRiver.
And again I want to paint apicture, just a little bit, of
Point Pleasant.
Point Pleasant is a very, verysmall, quaint, really Americana
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kind of town.
You can literally stand almostlike on one end of the town and
see the other end.
It's a very small, justeveryday USA kind of town.
So in December 15th it wasunseasonably a mild day and this
bridge was a critical linkbetween Point Pleasant, west
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Virginia, and Gallipolis, ohio,and it bore the weight of rush
hour traffic and as people wereventuring out to do holiday
shopping.
So at 5.04 pm, amidst thecongestion, a sudden
catastrophic failure occurredand eyewitnesses would describe
the sound like gunfire, a seriesof sharp cracks, and the
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bridge's structure justcompletely gave way.
An eyewitness would go onrecord to saying I was driving
across when I felt a shudder.
Next thing I knew the roadbeneath me disappeared and I was
plunged into the icy water.
In those moments, vehicles andpassengers were hurled into the
frigid Ohio River.
The collapse claimed 46 livesand 31 vehicles were lost, and
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this tragedy has left apermanent scar on the community.
So in the aftermath, federaland state agencies launched an
exhaustive investigation touncover the cause of this
disaster, and the preliminaryfindings indicate that there was
a failure in the bridge'ssuspension system.
There was a critical eye bar inthe chain that fractured due to
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a minute defect.
And when I say minute, theanalysis revealed that a flaw a
mere one-tenth inches deep hadcompromised the integrity of the
suspension chain's I-bar, andthis defect, combined with the
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bridge bearing loads that wasreally far beyond its original
design capacity, culminated inthe tragic collapse.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
So in the wake of this.
Yeah, yeah, it was a horrificand terrible tragedy for such a
small town, less than acentimeter, less than a
centimeter.
Crazy yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Crazy, yeah, yep, it's like almost feels like it
couldn't even have beenprevented, because like it's
going to go and like it'sobviously going to go unnoticed
because it's so small.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Yeah Right, yep.
So in the wake of this disaster, residents began to draw a
conclusion that betweeneverything that had happened,
with all the eerie things inthis bridge collapse, there was
a connection.
A local resident would go onrecord to say we saw those red
eyes near the bridge weeksbefore it fell.
Some say it was a warning,others think it was an omen.
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So the Mothman, with itsglowing red eyes and ominous
presence was now intertwinedwith this narrative of the
Silver Bridge collapse.
Was the creature a harbinger ofdoom?
Was it foretelling thisimpending disaster?
Or was this merely just afigment of collective anxiety,
or like some kind ofmanifestation of the town's
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underlying fears?
So the Silver Bridge collapseprompted significant changes in
infrastructure safety protocolsacross the United States.
Regular inspections andstringent maintenance routines
became mandatory to prevent thistype of tragedy from occurring
in the future.
But for Point Pleasant, theevents between 1966 and 1967
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became more than just historicalfootnotes.
They evolved into, like thistapestry of folklore, cautionary
tales and this testament to thecommunity's resilience.
Today, you know, the Mothmanlegend endures and it really has
become like this symbol aboutthe thin veil between the known
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and the unknown, and it remindsus that there are mysteries that
lurk at the edges of ourunderstanding, beyond the, you
could say, beyond the shadow ofMothman's wings.
You know, there are othermysteries that took root in
Point Pleasant.
There are whispers of, you know, again, these dark suited
figures, a grinning man,paranormal activity it's all
(39:40):
just like, woven into somethingthat's, you know, fantastical,
ensuring that extraordinaryencounters remain unreported.
Their origins and affiliationsremain subjects of intense
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speculation.
So these men in black kind ofunderscore the profound impact
of Mothman sightings, not justin Point Pleasant but everywhere
.
Here's where I think we have toask is Mothman a real cryptid?
Is it an omen of disaster orsomething even stranger?
Why do sightings of mothmancreatures continue worldwide?
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Are we dealing with singleentity or is it just a
reoccurring phenomenon acrosstime and space?
What do you all think?
Speaker 1 (40:35):
I think mothman is one creature.
Maybe he's like a god.
He can be everywhere at once.
That's why he can keep going toother places too, Okay because
I have like a whole list oftheories.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
So I want to hear your theory and then we're going
to talk about some theories.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
I think that it's definitely an interdimensional
being and I think that it'sattracted to places where things
are going to go down right andmaybe the reason people like
started noticing him it kind offed into that and made it a
little more powerful, like atulpa almost, if you believe in
that kind of thing.
But I definitely think thatthere is something to this.
There is something to all ofthe weird things going on in
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point pleasant, and I am sofucking excited to hear what
people have to say, right.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Right, right.
So some of the theories isthere's what is called the
cryptid hypothesis, so someresearch believes that it's a
flesh and blood, cryptid assomething kind of yet
undiscovered species ofsomething more related to a
large nocturnal bird or somekind of big flying mammal.
There is a sandhill cranetheory.
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So ornithologists propose thatsome kind of lost sandhill crane
, which has about a seven footwingspan and red markings around
its eyes, could have beenmisidentified as a supernatural
entity.
There's the owl theory.
You know they suggest that abarred owl's eyes reflecting
headlights, could have been, youknow, giving this illusion of
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red eyes in the dark.
The problem is, every witnessthat has ever seen Mothman and
we're talking worldwide hasdescribed him as a humanoid
figure with massive wings andthe ability to glide without
flapping.
So much like you, becca, theresaid there is an
interdimensional beinghypothesis.
So again, they think that he'snot a physical creature but
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something that exists outside ofnormal time and space, and this
could explain why there'ssudden appearances, bizarre
movements and the ability tovanish without a trace.
There is the Harbinger of Doomhypothesis, or the Omen theory
theory.
So there are people who believemothman appeared as a warning,
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foretelling disasters such asthe silver bridge collapse.
Similar winged creatures havereportedly been seen before
other catastrophes, so beforethe chernobyl disaster.
Mothman was sighted, and thiswas in 1986.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Whoa wait.
Yes, are you serious?
Oh my gosh, serious.
Yeah, what was he doing there?
Traveling what?
Speaker 4 (43:07):
do you think he was doing there?
Fucking Mothman shit man.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
He was foretelling disasters.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Guys, shit's about to go down.
You need to get out ofChernobyl, right, right.
He's like no one ever listensto me.
I'm trying to scare them awaybefore they die the most
misunderstood interdimensionalbeing ever.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
He's just trying to guys get out of here.
The bridge is gonna.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Oh, they just hear like an otherworldly screeching
when he opens his mouth and theyrun in terror and he's just
very calmly saying something isgoing to happen.
You need to get to safety.
The reactor's melting downthat's hysterical that is
hysterical.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
He sees the disaster and he kind of like his
shoulders and kind of like hangshis head down low, like well, I
tried once again I tried.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
You know he kicks a rock.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
Honestly, I kind of feel him on that, oh my god.
So in 2007 there was the I-35bridge collapse in Minnesota and
Mothman was allegedly spottedlike mere moments before it fell
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.
So those are two things thatyou know we can kind of point to
that he's been a part of.
I know that there are somepeople in it and I've heard it,
but I've not ever been able tofind any like real eyewitness
testimony.
But some people say thatmothman was seen before 9-11 too
(44:40):
.
So just putting that out therehe knew never forget.
Oh right, it's crazy inside job,yeah it was an inside job.
There was, uh, the governmentexperiment hypothesis.
So you know we've talked a lotabout the tnt area.
So some people think thatmothman was the result of a
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secret government experimentthat was in the abandoned World
War II munitions plant, that itmay have been some kind of
bioengineered creature.
It was some kind of likemilitary project gone wrong.
The TNT did have a lot of toxicchemical waste.
At one point there areunderground tunnels and I just
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want to say on that front.
So I've visited Point Pleasantmultiple times and I've actually
, I've actually spent the nightin one of the concrete igloos,
shaped just like what you wouldthink, you know, a dome, large
dome with a little like squaredoff entrance and like these hard
metal doors, like thick metaldoors, and you know you go in
(45:45):
there and it is just such a kindof a weird overwhelming feeling
again, because it is a thickstructure, like a Pixar mom.
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I meanyou have to walk down this path.
There's this like a pond overhere that you know.
I'm sure that that pondprobably still has some kind of
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chemical, toxic stuff in it, butthere's like a puddle of toxic
ooze.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
A moth falls into it gains the powers of Mothman, and
I can't help but wonder ifAngie didn't go and get the
powers of Mothman when she wentto go stay in the igloo and if
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she's been lying this whole time.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
I know I'm Mothman.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
The power of Mothman.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Do you think that if the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
met Mothman.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
Would they be friends or foes?
Probably foes, I think they'dbe.
You wouldn't, really, I thinkthey'd be friends.
Speaker 4 (46:52):
I think it'd be kind of like a you went out of the
patience.
I feel like it'd be like adaredevil and punisher kind of
thing.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
Yeah, yeah, they respect each other, but don't
really operate on the same.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
Want the same thing, just different ways of going
about it.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
Yeah, methods are questionable.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
Questionable, yeah, so then there's the
psychological mass hysteriahypothesis.
So this is where the skepticscome in and say that none of
this actually ever happened.
But it's just a case of masshysteria, and the panic
surrounding the silver bridgecollapse may have just
retroactively fueled falsememories.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
um of exaggerated accounts oh my god, those are
the men in black.
Yeah, because that makes themen in black.
That's the men in black comingout here for yeah, we see you,
you can't trick us.
That's the undercover men inblack pretending to be nothing
to see.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
Scientists and stuff I actually heard, everyone was
just stupid but hear me out hearme out now what this is?
Speaker 4 (47:54):
me pretending to be them, like it's, posing as like
a journalist.
I'm just seeing someone, andlike literally someone, dressed
like the men in black, like theblack suit, the tie, the black
shades, black shoes, but thenalso at the same time just like
a trench coat, over that with alittle notepad, and he goes yes,
but what if everyone's justfucking crazy, am I right?
Speaker 2 (48:13):
am I right?
Speaker 4 (48:14):
everybody like turns and looks at him and he just
like shrugs and was like youknow people who invited this
asshole.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
You know people.
I love it when they try to tellpeople who have lived in the
same area their whole life no,you didn't see what you thought
you saw.
You saw an animal that you'veprobably encountered before.
You just made a mistake.
It was a weather balloon.
Speaker 4 (48:33):
It was a weather balloon yeah don't you know what
an owl.
Speaker 3 (48:36):
Looks like idiot yeah so I I did want to, just kind
of as a footnote, just mentionsome other sightings, um because
they've been fairly recent.
So in 2009 there was um a 6.5magnitude earthquake in mexico
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and mothman was seen rightbefore that, and again,
witnesses described the largered-eyed winged figure hovering
over buildings he was at thechupacabra's quinceanera.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
That's what it was he just happened to be in the same
place at the same time.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
That was perfect.
I was just thinking.
Speaker 4 (49:24):
It's like he's just on vacation he's on an
interdimensional little vacation, griswold style, and he keeps
trying to have these nice timesand all these tragedies keep
happening around him, like sonof a I'm picturing him in like
Cancun, in like board shorts,with like a coconut drink, and
all of a sudden everythingstarts shaking and he just goes.
He just looks over.
There's a family looking at him, all terrified.
He goes like you're gonna blameme, aren't you?
Speaker 2 (49:46):
yeah, I already know what it looks like.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
Go ahead and take your picture so, uh, also in
2002 in afghanistan, soldiersstationed near bag Air Base a
claim to see a dark humanoidcreature gliding through the sky
at unnatural speeds.
Now some people say that wasjust kind of some kind of giant
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bat or bird, but you ton ofMothman sightings, same same
(50:32):
description.
He was seen near O'HareInternational Airport.
All over the city there weretons of police, security
officers, truck drivers,bystanders, all reporting the
same event on the same day thathe was just flying all over
Chicago and, interestingly,after Chicago there were lots of
(50:55):
men in black activityafterwards, just like in Point
Pleasant.
The thing about Point Pleasantis they have a museum and I
cannot think of his name off thetop of my head, but he's an
absolute, wonderful, wonderfulperson.
He has, you know, sourced allof the information about all of
this stuff, like he has all theoriginal police reports and he's
(51:17):
just like this local expert onall things Mothman.
And I remember once, you know,having a conversation with him
and he was saying, like the menin black still to this day,
visit the families of those thatwere most affected.
And this was, I want to say, ohgosh, maybe 9-10 years ago, oh
(51:42):
gosh, maybe nine, 10 years ago,when I was down there and at
that time when we had thatconversation they had visited
like two weeks prior.
So it's, you know, there'sstill a lot of things going on
in Point, pleasant with the menin black and the families that
that were affected, and twoevery few years.
(52:02):
Locals still report.
They see Mothman.
There are reports from hunters,hikers, local residents.
They still see it Also as kindof just another side note.
So as I was scrolling throughTikTok as one does, I came
across a content creator namedTrue Storyteller and this was a
post that he made on 321.
(52:24):
And he had two people comeforward to him with reports that
like a week prior to postingthat that, mothman was cited in
Bloomington, illinois, near USCNew Williams Hall.
He was seen again, describedtall figure, bright, glowing red
eyes.
The people who saw it thoughtit was like a prank.
(52:46):
So it just started.
They started to approach it andthen it took off and flew, like
it just hovered and flew off.
Then, around the same time thatthis was going on, in Lancaster
, pa, on the Safe Harbor Trail,he reported that there was an
older man walking a dog late atnight.
The dog alerts, starts barking.
(53:07):
He sees this tall figure.
It had red glowing eyes, largewings and it made a large
screeching howl and then tookoff into the sky.
Speaker 2 (53:16):
Love that.
Speaker 3 (53:18):
Yeah, so this was you know in March of 2025.
People are still seeing Mothmanno.
No, yeah, so this was you knowin March of 2025.
People are still seeing Mothmanno no, no.
That was like two weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
Point Pleasant just kind of seems like it's his main
hangout, like that's just wherehis home is, that's where his
little bungalow is, whatever helives in, he's just like, yeah,
this is my place, but likeBungalow, yeah, he just kind of
like goes wherever there's gonnabe a disaster and he's like,
hey, guys like you better watchout.
And then he just gets kind ofstumbled across wherever.
He's just trying to like vibeand chill by himself.
(53:54):
The poor guy, he can't get hisprivacy it's like the opposite
of pleasant.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
Why the fuck did they call it point pleasant?
It sucks here.
That's the point.
It's like the opposite ofpleasant.
Speaker 4 (54:02):
Why the fuck did they call it point pleasant?
That sucks here.
That's the point.
Speaker 3 (54:04):
It's not pleasant but I will say, you know, for this
town to like have this infamyand just, you know, here we are.
You know, um, still talkingabout it in 2025.
They have really just decidedto embrace their history, um, so
every year they have a Mothmanfestival.
You can go and get Mothmanpizza.
(54:25):
I highly recommend it.
It is amazing.
You know there are museums anda lot of you know just shops and
stuff that are all Mothmancentered.
The other thing is, you knowlet's talk a little bit, just
briefly, about the pop culturehow Mothman has really
influenced pop culture andbecame like this modern day
(54:49):
urban legend.
So we all know the MothmanProphecies film, right?
Yes, so this was John Keel'sbook that was written at, in
Point Pleasant, the lowes hotel.
I've actually stayed at thelowes hotel, stayed in the room
that john keel wrote the book in.
(55:10):
That hotel is very haunted.
So if anyone is looking for ascary good time, um, definitely
go to the low's Hotel in PointPleasant, and you know the
museum has a lot of thememorabilia and actual things
from that film.
So, again, if you're ever inPoint Pleasant and want to check
(55:31):
out all things Mothman, go andtouch the statue and check out.
You know how caked up he isfrom the backside, you know,
definitely Double-cheeked up.
Speaker 4 (55:43):
Dummy.
Speaker 3 (55:43):
There's no reason that that statue needed to come
with that ass.
It's interesting like peoplenow are literally leaving money
in the crack of his ass.
Wow.
Speaker 2 (55:54):
Dude, I've been thinking it this whole time.
Mothman sounds handsome as hell.
All dark and handsome, check,check, check.
Speaker 4 (56:03):
Alright, marry, fuck.
Kill the bear, a man or mothman.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
The bear, a man, moth bear.
Speaker 3 (56:20):
I would marry the bear.
Fuck the man.
No wait, fuck mothman and killthe man.
Hey, mothman, I don't know whatyou guys are talking about I
feed that dummy thick, hell yeahso mothman has also, like it's
just kind of very recently,seems to be more and more taking
(56:40):
over internet culture.
I mean, build-a-bear even has aMothman they do.
So it's they they do.
And I actually have it, I haveone, I have a, I have a Mothman
Build-A-Bear.
I love it so much.
But yeah.
So I mean, guys, this is, thisis the Mothman story.
You know, at the end of end ofeverything, I don't really have
(57:02):
anything else.
So you know, final thoughts,did I, did I keep you, uh,
hostage too long?
Speaker 2 (57:08):
no, no, it was perfect, it's a perfect story
it's perfectly done such goodresearch and I can tell you care
so much about it because youhave the merch girl, like you've
been on the tour, like you gotall the mothman lore.
I love it so much I do a lot.
Speaker 3 (57:23):
I mean I just love it and I just I really wanted to
do this for my birthday week andso thank you guys for humoring
me.
I just it's.
It's just, I love my state somuch.
Um, I think there's so muchbeauty but there's also so much
lore in the Appalachianmountains and I just, I just
wanted to pay like homage to my,my roots, and you know the, the
(57:50):
tales and the, the lore thatcomes out of West Virginia so,
as our West Virginia expert likeI want to know what do you
think Mothman is?
Speaker 2 (58:00):
tell us Appalachia girl, what is this thing?
Speaker 3 (58:03):
I think, I think it's an interdimensional being.
I think it's definitely an omen, I think that it's curious and
I I think it's benevolent.
I do not think, except maybefor the dog.
I'm a little upset that the dogdidn't return.
Speaker 4 (58:17):
I know, I know, I know a companion yeah, he
adopted it he goes, this is minenow.
Speaker 3 (58:27):
I hope so, I hope so, but yeah, I, I don't think it's
.
I don't think it's a malevolentspirit.
I think it seems to, you know,maybe it's some kind of time
traveling interdimensional thing.
You know, that it seems to becentered around things that are
like disasters and it's eitherobserving the disaster or trying
(58:47):
to like tell people something'shappening.
But I think it's more aboutobservation.
Honestly, I definitely thinkthere's so much lore and like
Indrid Cold could be his ownlike episode, but you know,
indrid Cold could be his ownepisode, but Indrid Cold is tied
to a lot of different stories,not just Mothman.
But they seem to be theseobservers.
(59:09):
I think it's real.
I think these people absolutelyexperienced something.
I will never discount theireyewitness.
Testimonies because it'ssubstantiated and corroborated
worldwide, right, absolutely.
Testimonies because it's it'ssubstantiated and corroborated
worldwide.
You know, right, if you haveenough, it's.
It's why I believe so much inbigfoot too, because there are
(59:29):
people that absolutely seesomething.
And you know, if we kind of goback you know particularly becca
to the one episode where wetalked about, you know the back
rooms in, you know kind of themodern day folklore, how do you,
how do you prove or disprovethat somebody had an experience?
Speaker 2 (59:49):
exactly right, because it's all hearsay.
It literally is all hearsay.
It just depends on whose mouthyou want to hear it coming from,
and that's literally it at theend of the day.
Oh, absolutely 100%, Brookewhat do you think of Mothman?
Give me your scorecard now thatyou've heard his whole story.
What do you think Mothman is?
What do you think he wants?
Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
I think Mothman, like you guys think, I do think he's
interdimensional, I think he'shighly misunderstood.
I think he's kind of a sad soul.
I feel really bad for himbecause all he's trying to do is
like warn people and heaccidentally scares them and
then they're probably like, ohyeah, like this disaster is
Mothman's fault, like fuck him.
And he's like guys like Iliterally was just trying to
(01:00:31):
tell you to leave the stupid assbridge or like wherever.
And then like also, he hasthese crazy people following him
around, being like, yeah, likestraight up, like you didn't see
Mothman.
You People following him aroundbeing like, yeah, like straight
up, like you didn't see Mothman, you guys are crazy.
Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
And then he's like guys, like now everyone's saying
I'm not even real, Like I'm areal guy and everyone doesn't,
even I'm a real boy.
Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Tuck tinkerbell, nobody believes.
Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
I'm kind of happy for him at the same time, because
at least in Point Pleasant theykind of are like treating him
like he's their god they built astatue of him and they're like
yeah, big ass, mothman, he's assexy as the Greek gods, you know
.
Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
Zeus who.
Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
All right, Kyle, you came in at literally the halfway
point.
You got the back half of thisstory.
Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
I'm curious what you think about mothman now I'm kind
of piggybacking off of uhbrooks feelings, like we were
saying it like jokingly, likehaving fun.
But I think I definitely agreewith ang that it it sounds like.
It sounds like he.
Exactly like he.
He means well, and he's justtrying to warn people of the bad
thing, like somehow he's gotwhatever powers and shit that it
(01:01:41):
is.
He knows something bad's gonnahappen, but he and he's just
trying to warn people of the badthing, like somehow he's got
whatever powers and shit that itis.
He knows something bad is goingto happen, but he and he's
trying to communicate it.
And people can understand himbecause he's a giant freaking
moth and we are but bags of meat, you know, and so we.
So we can't understand him.
And so there's, like you know,it's like when the dogs bark,
it's like Lassie Bark bark, bark, bark, bark.
Timmy's in the well, bark bark.
(01:02:01):
We can't understand him.
So it's kind of like that I mean, and let's face it, he's
freaking menacing looking.
He's not a cute little Spaniel.
You have your type.
Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
I have a human.
He said, hey, don't yuck my yum.
Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
Hey, hey, hey.
Everyone fucks funny to someone.
Who am I to judge?
Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Yep, Yep, but still, but still we hope they can ride
on an odd bicycle.
Speaker 4 (01:02:29):
But like you know, like kind of damn, kind of damn
scary.
Very much so.
So, yeah, I definitely thinkthere's.
I definitely believe that Godtrain come back, come back,
Something to it.
Yeah, there, definitely thinkthere's, I definitely believe
that God train come back.
Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Come back Something to it.
Speaker 4 (01:02:43):
Yeah, there definitely is something to it,
and I think the only thing atleast for me, the thing that
makes the most sense is that heis just trying to warn us and
everyone is so quick to labelsomething bad just because they
don't understand it and they seebad things happening.
He's the real life, bruno.
Only we're talking about himand we can't talk about Bruno.
So, yeah, bad things happening.
(01:03:08):
He's the real life, bruno, onlywe're talking about him and we
can't talk about bruno.
Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
So, yeah, he's just warning us and so he's like you
to stop talking about him.
Speaker 4 (01:03:09):
Screw you will smith the fucking men in black get
mothman's name out of yourfucking mouth yeah, but becca
wants mothman in oh my, I'm likecatching snowflakes on my
tongue out here in Point,pleasant.
Spoiler alert I need snow.
Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Well, angie, this was so incredible and it's so
perfectly timed, because it'slike a little early birthday
present for you.
And I'm going to close out theepisode here.
I'm going to say this was ourMothman deep dive and, let's be
honest, audience, you gobbled upevery crumb, didn't you?
There is something sotantalizing about a tall drink
of eldritch water.
Hopefully Moth Daddy acceptsour offering as a tribute and
(01:03:51):
blesses our endeavors withominous abundance, instead of
whipping us for our impudence.
Rate, comment and subscribewherever you get podcasts,
because we are still breathingand you can't keep us from these
microphones.
Now that we know what therecord button does, we're
putting out a new episode everysingle Monday.
I don't care if there's a fire,I don't care if there's a flood
, I don't care if there is amoth who is a man.
(01:04:11):
We will be back next week.
Hell yeah, goodbye my love.
Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
Bye, that is what a hell of a sundial.
Bye, bye, that is one hell of asundial.
Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Bye Say bye Kyle, Bye Kyle, I'll see you next time.
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