September 22, 2025 • 36 mins
What makes a headless ghost rider one of America's most beloved folk tales? Is it the mystery, the history, or something deeper that connects us to our cultural roots?
Join Kyle as he takes us on a journey through the fog-shrouded western woods of Sleepy Hollow, sharing his passionate connection to Washington Irving's classic American ghost story. Growing up just an hour from the actual town of Sleepy Hollow, Kyle reveals why this particular tale has haunted his imagination since childhood and why its ambiguous ending continues to captivate audiences centuries later.
From Washington Irving's original text to Tim Burton's gothic film adaptation starring Johnny Depp, we examine how different versions of the tale have evolved while maintaining the core elements that make the Headless Horseman such an enduring figure in American folklore. Kyle shares personal anecdotes about visiting the real Sleepy Hollow and why these local legends create such a powerful sense of home and belonging.
Whether you're a longtime fan of the tale or discovering it for the first time, this episode offers a perfect blend of historical context, cultural analysis, and pure appreciation for one of America's most iconic ghost stories. Listen now and you might find yourself planning an autumn trip to Sleepy Hollow – just be sure to cross the bridge before nightfall!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
He's like Cremonius Bob he just likes killing people
and that's just his thing.
Hear me out.
Have you tried decapitatingsomebody so?
You like headless ghost riders.
You like people with no head,people with a giant pyramid for
a head.
You like fish that are voicedby Willem Dafoe.
This guy, he just lovesdecapitating.
He just loves decapitation.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Sometimes it's just warranted, it's needed.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Exactly loves decapitation.
Sometimes it's just warranted,it's needed it exactly.
You know, we've knowna lot ofsteam that way, yeah, oh yeah,
we've known a couple people,yeah can you imagine that, just
like, I'm just picturing himlike fucking galloping on a
horse, I'm just and then likefucking bam, there goes a head
and that shit just goes going,going and gone.
(00:44):
And then you just see, like thebody, just the body, just like,
and you just see steam come outof like the area where his head
should be.
It just smoke comes from theshoulders, just oh.
And then he just like, liketrots, just trots on home, just
the coconuts.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
He's just like God.
I needed that.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Exactly, god damn it.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Before we begin today's episode, we would like
to share a quick disclaimer.
The views, opinions andstatements expressed by the
hosts and guests on this podcastare their own personal views
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All content is editorial,opinion-based and intended for
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Speaker 1 (01:58):
Listener, discretion is advised.
For some reason can't tell thedifference between white and
brown gravy, at least angie, notthe gravy always, always don't
bring.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Don't bring that up.
We'll be here for an hourdebating gravy hi how you doing,
you doing good, that's yeah,I'm doing good.
Yeah, I'm well.
You know the next two weeks aregoing to be fantastic for me
(02:30):
and you know why.
Countdown to sleep token no see, I think the next two weeks
would be a living fucking hellfor you, honestly well, I mean,
the anxiety is there and I'malready like wanting to start to
pack because I'm like apreparer, like I want an
itinerary yeah, like I'm so yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, itinerary, go there, fuck shit up, go home,
that's it.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
That's it, and that's pretty much.
It's exactly.
It's a it's a quick in and outkind of trip.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Story of my life.
Anywho, I'm not necessarilysure when this episode is going
to air.
I just know that, at least forme and I know for you, maybe to
some of our listeners too spookyseason is in like full swing
that we haven't decorated yet.
Still life has been way toocrazy and I am way the f behind
(03:28):
on it.
Um, yes, week season full is infull swing.
So I figured it was about timeto say my favorite scary story
or spooky story, urban legend,wherever it classifies under tim
burton movie.
Um, being a new england boy,I'm talking about the legend of
sleepy hollow.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Um, yes, right, it's just, I love this story.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah, this is great I'm gonna be so honest though,
like sometimes when people havea story like I can only assume
if you listen to our episodebefore you know.
If you listen to one of ourmore previous episodes, we know
one of the reasons why you lovemothman so much.
But I feel like why mothmankind of resonates with you.
It's not just that honky tonkbut don't go down, but like west
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virginia, right, like it's kindof like a west virginian right,
so it's very homey.
Yeah, yeah, so I don't reallyknow 100 what it is for me,
because Sleepy Hollow's in NewYork.
I was born and raised inConnecticut, so home field
advantage ain't there.
I don't know, it's just I justI love the story just so much
and the movie is one of myfavorite movies.
(04:37):
Fuck it, I just love it.
So screw you.
I don't need a reason, I justlike it.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Hey, like it.
Yeah hey, sometimes you justlike what you like.
That's right.
Don't yuck my yum anyhow.
So for those of you who don'tknow the legend of sleepy hollow
, I'm gonna do an incrediblyshort, bastardized version of it
and we'll kind of see how thenight goes.
Anyway, picture this upstatenew york, the 1920s.
No, that's the wrong episode.
Upstate New York, the late1700s.
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Ichabod Crane.
He's a math teacher, he's ascholar of sorts, I want to say
he's a math teacher.
He's ending up to a cozy littleDutch settlement in upstate New
York, sleepy Hollow, to win theheart of the very rich farmer's
daughter.
Oh gosh, katrina.
(05:30):
Katrina Van Tassel.
See the Van Tassel of.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Angara.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
The Dutch chick, so he moseys on his way up there.
He's there for something.
It's like a week Dude's upthere and the whole time he's up
there, the local town frat boy.
Abraham Bones is the dude'sname, but he goes by.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Brom.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Brom Bones.
That's the only other name thatwould be acceptable for the guy
from Police Academy.
It's Brom Bones, right?
Like that's the only other namethat would be acceptable for
the guy from police academy.
It's brahm bones, right?
Um, he's.
He's just kind of like the.
He's, he's the.
He's the local rat, scally, andeveryone like kind of looks up
to him, think of him like a lot.
He's not as toxic and horribleas gaston, but he's got a lot of
(06:22):
similar traits.
He's very handsome everyone youknow.
He's just the big strong,similar traits.
He's very handsome everyone youknow he's just the big strong
guy and he's kind of a doucheeither way, and he's kind of
picking on ichabod crane becausehe's this, you know, as
described, scrawny, nerd, nerd.
So he's just kind of giving himcrap throughout the week.
Well, it's like the last, it'slike it's like friday night.
They have like the harvestparty, because it's all october
(06:44):
and spooky times around there.
They're having the harvestparty and that's when ichabod's
gonna make his his big move on,uh katrina, and he gets shot
down.
She and he was like all right,defeated and a serious case of
blue balls.
He, he's going to head on home.
Well, on his ride home heencounters the legendary, the
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very spooky, greatest littleurban legend, mythical monster
creature, peoples, my humbleopinion, the Headless Horseman.
Just so frick, just characterdesign alone.
Right there, you gotta love it.
I mean, it's a giant blackhorse, glowing red eyes, and
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he's just he's.
He's a man without a head,scary as all hell, so scary,
hence the name headless horseman, either way.
So Ichabod takes off like a batout of hell and now he's being
chased down through the westernwoods by the Headless Horseman
and he's just trying to run andrun and run and get away.
Yada, yada, blah, blah, blah.
Well, in this story which isactually which I probably should
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have said earlier that this isall according to the first
written telling of the story.
This story is about as old asthe 1700s.
It's not older than that.
But the very first writings Idon't remember when don't quote
me on that one, I forgot when itwas written.
Washington Irving is the firstwritten tellings of the story.
So in that one the Headlesshorseman has a sword and a
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jack-o'-lantern and thejack-o'-lantern is supposed to
represent his horde.
That he takes and he throws itand that is what knocks the
people's heads off.
And he takes heads in revengebecause his was taken off by a
cannonball in the revolutionarywar, because he was like a
mercenary of some sort, rightthat's the whole.
Thing but he can't actuallyenter the city of Sleepy Hollow.
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He stopped at the bridge Iforget the name of the bridge,
but he can make it all the way,just right there to the bridge.
He can't cross the river andactually into the town, to the
village.
He only stays in the westernwoods.
If you're in the woods you'refucked.
Get out of the woods, getacross the bridge.
All the all the oxen free.
He made it the base, so heknows this.
(09:11):
He's turned around.
He's fucking zooming back,zooming back, zooming back,
zooming back, zooming back.
He thinks he's safe on thebridge.
He just gets to the bridge.
Well, the horseman can't crossthe bridge, but the
jack-o'-lantern can.
As the goes, the only thingthat's seen the next day is a
smashed pumpkin.
Oh, you know, man missedopportunity.
(09:33):
It was like the only thing thatwe can see is a grunge alt-ban
from the 90s.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
I was just about to make that reference.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
It was right there.
So there's a smashed pumpkinIchabod Crane's horse, but no
one saw Ichabod Crane, so hejust disappeared.
So obviously people were likethe horseman got him.
The non-believers of thehorseman Said he just hauled ass
back to Connecticut.
Ichabod Crane from Connecticut,ct.
He just hauled ass back toconnecticut, right?
(10:08):
Ichabod crane from connecticut,um, he just hauled us back
there, no one knows.
At the same time, though, it isstill a story.
What do you believe happened?
Insert.
Creepy laugh there right.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Are you asking me what do I think happened to you?
Know, well, yeah go ahead.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
What do you think happened to a fictional
character in an urban legend?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I mean, I think you know, back then that was, you
know the Grimm's fairy taleswere probably around, maybe
beforehand or around that time,but you know.
So I think, probably that Inthe in the tale in my mind, yeah
(10:47):
, ichabod Met his demise, ohyeah.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Like yeah, ichabod met his demise.
Oh yeah, like dude's dead asshit yeah.
He's dead, as his chances werewith Katrina Like dead.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
But, like I said, I think that's one of the things
that I like about it so much.
I remember it being one of thefirst stories that I heard as a
kid that had like thatopen-ended you don't know, like
that cliffhanger, like there'snothing else like.
Even like scary stories, theyhad an ending like oh, and then
the ghost got the person andthen they were fucking dead or
(11:22):
the you know the hero saved theday.
There was always an ending tothe story.
This was the first one that wasjust like and no one knows.
So I was like, but why?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
anyhow, right, yeah, um yeah, it's just.
It's just something about thatat all exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
It's like there's no way he did it.
It almost made likesix-year-old me what?
And then, dude, when I foundout the sleepy hollow was an
actual place and it was onlylike, it was like just over an
hour away.
Yeah, I grew up just over anhour away from sleepy hollow oh,
wow it's closer than new yorkcity, so it's like little
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six-year-old me was just like Igotta go see what happened
because like 1700s, not thatlong ago, it's only the night,
it's only the late 1900s.
What's 200 years?
I had no concept of time.
I'm in my 30s I still have noconcept of time, but still I was
like I gotta go do my owninvestigation, but I digress, so
like that's, that's the, the, avery shortened, bastardized
(12:23):
version of the first writtentelling of this story.
Like i's old and old and old,the one thing that is constant
throughout them all is theHeadless Horsemen.
It's like Ichabod Crane and theVan Tassels and the Van Garrets
and Brom Bones and all that.
They all showed up in thistelling, much older accounts and
(12:48):
tellings of everyone who heardthe tale, heard the tale, heard
the tale, so on kind of stuff,all word of mouth.
Um, the headless horseman is 99,always the same.
He was a mercenary during therevolutionary war and was
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decapitated somehow, somehowhomie and got a dome piece and
he has, he has, he has.
The jack-o'-lantern is histhing, he's got the sword and
the big evil.
So he's always the same, um,which is kind of fun, because
the other thing that I find kindof fun with that too is that it
also just kind of goes to showhow this is proclaimed, as you
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know, along with the legend ofsleepy hollow, falls relatively
the same category as, like PaulBunyan, john Henry, johnny
Appleseed, american folklore.
These are very American stories,but you can't help but notice
the similarities in um from uh.
(13:56):
You know these, these were all.
These were stories that wereall told by immigrants because
of the 1700s, you know, whateverit's still, there's still a lot
of immigrants coming over ofall these different.
So the headless horseman iseerily similar to um, one of the
more famous uh urban legendsmonsters, cryptids, whatever,
whatever category falls under.
(14:17):
From ireland, um, I believeit's the uh, the doula hand, the
doula han, um, but depending onwhether it was celtic or gaelic
, it looks like doula han.
But you know, it probably ispronounced chevelle, niston or
whatever the fuck you ever seenlike gaelic words like it's the
worst you've ever seen the namesirsha, like spelled out, or the
(14:38):
name teague spelled out,there's like a j and a backwards
q for like no fucking reason.
Anyhow, it's my heritage, I cansay that anyhow, uh, but, but no
, but.
But the doula hand is, you know, like I said, that's, that's
the one I'm most familiar with,like I said, from the irish
backgrounds, where it was aheadless horseman where instead
of a jack-o'-lantern or sword hehad a fucking whip that was a
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spine and he would use that.
He would use that to like wraparound the throat, to like rip
heads off and shit like that one.
And he said to be like like badthings, of like the end of you
know the end of time.
He's, he's like a grim reaperor so on, so forth.
So he's symbolized with deathand just a bad omen kind of
thing, but he's fucking metal asall hell.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
He's so metal yeah, I was just thinking he might be
my new.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Hear me out, but go ahead oh yeah, no, just yeah, go
ahead, do yeah, yeah, no, justyeah, go ahead, do some doodle
searching right now.
Yeah, like, exactly like.
Think of the Headless Horseman.
Which is the Headless Horsemanhe's on I think it's some
depictions he's on a skeletalhorse, but either way, yeah,
it's like a fucking, it's like asix foot or like a seven foot
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whip.
That's just a human spine,awesome, anyhow.
So retellings of the story ofhis, his, um, you type it away
googling him, right, I am, I did, yeah, no sorry, I absolutely,
(16:09):
and it's funny because the thevery first image that comes up
is exactly what you describedthat is, absolutely metal, as so
fucking metal.
right, it's so cool.
Anywho, where was I?
(16:32):
Oh yeah, a new Hear Me.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Out has been birthed this day.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Go ahead.
Xbox Achievement unlocked New.
Hear Me Out.
Oh my gosh.
Hey, if you need a therapist, Igot a good one, I'll send you a
card?
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah, I probably should look into that, but jesus
, it might, it might make thetime.
Pals happy, but go ahead.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
What if you haven't?
Never mind, anyhow.
So his motives are always andokay, his action is always the
same.
Motives are different, but hisactions are the same.
Actions are he's just choppingyour fucking head off.
Um, motives are.
Reasonings of why he's takingheads is always different.
One is to replace his.
(17:19):
He's looking for his uh.
One is to he's like harmoniousbob, he just likes killing
people and that's, that's justhis thing.
That's the hear me out.
Have you tried decapitatingsomebody?
So you like headlessghostwriters, you like people
with no head, people with agiant pyramid for a head.
You like fish that are voicedby willem dafoe.
(17:39):
This guy, he just lovesdecapitating, he just loves
decapitation.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
You know there's just warranted, it's needed it
exactly.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
You know, we've known a lot of steam that needed.
Exactly.
We've known a couple of people.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I bet he blows off a lot of steam that way.
Oh yeah, we've known a couplepeople, yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Can you imagine that I'm just picturing him fucking
galloping on a horse, I'm just,and then fucking bam, there goes
a head, and that shit just goesgoing, going and gone.
And then you just see, like thebody, just the body, just like,
and you just see steam come outof like the area where his head
should be.
(18:16):
It just smoke comes from theirshoulders, just oh.
And then he just like, liketrots, just trots on home, just
the coconuts he's just like god.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
God, I needed that.
Exactly, god damn it butimagine I mean seriously, though
imagine the sound a whip madeout of a spine would sound like
you got the whip sound, but yougot the bones clinking against
each other.
I mean what is terrifying.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Listen, I've seen the videos.
Yes, yeah, I'm sure the wordyou want to use is terrifying.
I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
No, okay, aside from that.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah, yeah, I think you're getting the word
terrifying and tantalizing mixedup there.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
It always happens.
I need to get those wordsfigured out.
But just okay, imagine okay.
You're that six-year-old childin Ireland in the 1500s, in the
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1500s, and you're hearing thisstory about a bone whip and a
guy without a head.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
That had to be absolutely terrifying for
children I mean so was thepotato famine, but they turned
out okay oh no, not the potatofamine.
Like I said, it's my heritage,I can make these jokes, it's
okay.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yeah, same, but okay all seriousness.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah, no, that has got to be absolutely yeah, no
pun intended, that's got to befucking bone chilling.
Like that's fucking creepy LikeI've seen the videos of Jacques
Zewieiwipia with, like hismetal whip and I'm sure everyone
else is like, oh my pants, feelfunny?
He goes yeah, mine do, becauseI just shit myself like that's
(20:17):
scary enough, is a metal whipyeah, a bone, a bone whip?
Yeah, no thanks.
No thanks, just I'll.
Just, I'll see myself out, andby out I mean yeah off a bridge.
Thank you very much yeah, yeah,100.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Oh, imagine, imagine like being in battle.
You know like I forget whatwhat was the, what was the like
the?
Oh, I want to say like the clanwars that they had in ireland.
But just, you know, like thatprimitive battle, you know that
(20:55):
they, you know, and then, yeah,then all of a sudden, you know,
you just see something like that, charging, that proof yeah, no
I think I'd fall on a sword Ithink, I think, I would just
sword, then get bone whippedyeah, yeah, as tantalizing as
(21:17):
like that part of that part ofmy brain is like oh, you know,
that truly is terrifying yeah,that's.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
That's what we call nightmare fuel in the real world
.
So anyhow, I digress, uh.
But then my personal favoritetelling of the stories, it's
just because it's timber andit's just because it's johnny
depp and I love them both.
Um, but is is the tim burtonmovie of sleepy hollow, which
(21:47):
first off when was the?
Last time you watched thatmovie oh, man, it's probably.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Oh I, I want to say it's been this year probably,
like maybe january, hell, maybeeven december, I don't know it's
it's the perfect christmasmovie.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
For sure there's some snow, so it it counts as a
Christmas movie in my eyes.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Hey, you know, Die Hard's a Christmas movie.
This can be a Christmas movietoo.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Listen, you're getting ahead of us.
That's another episode we aregoing to do in December.
Die Hard is a fucking Christmasmovie, but yeah.
But First off the fucking castin that movie, stacked like oh,
yeah, the one person I alwaysforget that's in that movie is
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fucking emperor palpatine.
Always forget he's in thatmovie.
I watch it at least two orthree times a year.
I forget every fucking time.
Now, maybe it's because I'm soshocked by that and it doesn't
look like Emperor Palpatine.
Maybe it's the traumatic braininjuries I've had.
Maybe it's the 14 concussionsI've had.
Either way, I never rememberhe's in that fucking movie and
every time I see him I'm likeson of a bitch and like half the
(23:09):
other people.
The the funny thing.
Spoiler alert I haven't seeingthe movie.
My favorite part in that movieis after he has his first
encounter with the headlesshorseman and he's like terrified
in his bed.
It was a headless horseman.
And the guy who played thesecond, albus dumbledore, is
approaching him and is tellinghim yes, we know that it was a
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horseman, it was a dead onewithout a head.
Yes, we know that, that's whatwe've been telling you, but it
was a headless horseman.
Like he's just repeating it, hegoes like yes, we, we, we
fucking told you you didn'tlisten.
It is.
I piss myself laughing everyfucking time.
It's so funny it was a headlesshorseman.
Yes, I know that.
No, it was a horseman a I didone Headless.
(23:53):
Yes, that's what we said.
He's like so like and Eitherway, and Christopher Walken is
the headless horseman.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
He has three lines.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
in the whole movie he makes the same noise that
Warrior does.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
That's the only thing he says.
The whole movie he has likelike razor teeth, his teeth, his
teeth, were he shaved his teeth.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
So that's, that's another one of.
So that's what's great aboutthat movie is that it takes like
five or six different umtellings of the legend of sleepy
hollow, and he, he makes it, hemakes it his own and he kind of
makes it pretty cohesive.
Um, so he wrote that he was agerman mercenary um from the uh
(24:44):
uh in the the revolution, andexactly that he was just
obsessed with killing.
Like after a while he juststopped taking.
He stopped taking money.
He was like, just let me kill.
And they stopped paying him.
They wouldn't let me kill him,the war was over.
So then he just stopped takingmoney.
He was like, just let me kill.
And they stopped paying him.
They wouldn't let him kill him,the war was over.
So then he just started justkilling everyone.
So he was killing the British,killing the red people, he was
killing the blue people.
He didn't give a shit.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
And yeah, they were like you know what?
We need to fucking kill him.
So then Wallop goes to the headwith his own sword, bury him in
the woods that haunted, supercool Tim Burton tree that's in
every movie.
Then he comes back.
He comes back every night justto take his, because his was
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taken, but he can be likecommanded and all of that kind
of fun shit.
So that's three differentstories right there.
It and all of that kind of funshit.
So that's three differentstories right there.
Um, it's just really like Isaid, it's just it's cool
because you get like actualvisual representation of it.
Like as much of an imaginationI have, it can only get me so
far, so I need actual visuals,so like if you actually make
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like a movie or a tv show I'mgonna see and I'm going to enjoy
it more than any of the books.
Sorry, book peoples out there,aka readers, but um, it's just.
I mean, like I said, and plus,you know not to sound too biased
, but Johnny Depp's the greatestactor to ever walk the face of
the earth, Don't fucking at me.
So the fact that he's in it, italso just wins.
(26:13):
He's so good in that, prettymuch everything that he does
well, yeah, yeah, yeah, the mandoesn't miss yeah, not when he
is a um ichabod crane.
He's not a teacher, he's a, he'sa detective and he's kind of
like the one that like no oh,yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, he's like
(26:34):
, oh, like one of the first likeforensics and also the kind of
fun stuff, and he like gets sentup there because, like everyone
in the, everywhere he's in newyork city, everyone in new york
city is like fed up with hisshit and they're just like all
right, just just get him out ofour hair, just send him up there
, and maybe he'll die or he'llwhatever.
Just he'll be out of our, he'llstop bothering us.
You can go bother them for alittle bit am I misremembering
(26:56):
or was it like there were?
Speaker 2 (26:59):
there were people going missing in the village or
something, and so he was thereto to like, investigate, like
what's happening with thedisappearances oh, he was there.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
He was there to investigate the murders.
He was there to investigate themurders.
He was there to investigate themurders because people are just
turning up headless.
And you know, like I said,they're just a Dutch settlement
up the fucking Hudson and sothey don't have police, let
alone detectives.
So they just send one from NewYork City with his fancy pants
(27:35):
salsa.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
New York City with his fancy pants salsa New York
City.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I'm sorry, go ahead.
And because they're likemotherfuckers are dying up there
, then they're all losing theirheads.
We don't know why.
Go find out and leave us alone.
That's what he did.
But yeah, we won't give it away, in case somehow someone hasn't
seen this fucking movie butlike the movie's almost 30 years
old.
Love that goddamn movie.
(28:00):
Anyhow, yeah, sleepy Hollow,it's cool stuff, man.
Boo eh, boo, boo eh.
I would try to go.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
At least I'd try to go like once a year, to go like
once a year, at least, just likea little bit yeah, I was gonna
add like you probably went a lot, because I know I mean you
being that close, I would thinkin like the passion that you
have for that story you,probably with my friends,
because my parents, my parents,couldn't be bothered.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Worth a shit to go.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
They were like we're not fucking driving an hour for
you to go.
So is the town.
Is it one of these towns thatthey've played into the story?
Speaker 1 (28:51):
It's not like Salem.
It's not like Salem, not likesalem.
It's not.
It's not like salem.
It's not like roswell, wherethere's like a famous story or
famous bits there, so it becomesthe entire personality of the
town.
Yeah, don't get me wrong it'sthere and there's themed stuff
around there and there is.
You know, there is still the.
(29:12):
You know the graveyard fromthere is still from the 1700s,
is still there.
The church is still there.
Like I said, sleepy Hollow is areal place.
There was real people who livedthere.
That bridge is still there.
The western woods there'snothing in the western woods.
(29:34):
It is a creepy fucking upstate.
New york, new england woodsit's.
It's just wasn't touched.
You know the story was rightthere is.
There is the actual tellingstories that, like the, the
belief of the headless horseman,is still a thing, like the
belief that the you know thespooky ghost story that you tell
the kids to scare them it'sstill a real thing.
(29:54):
So there are people who believethat the woods are haunted in,
that they don't go in there.
That's why it wasn't touched,because people for the longest
time were genuinely afraid todevelop that that they're going
to piss off other spirits, sothey never did anything.
And then now it's like I thinkit's protected.
(30:14):
The western woods is actuallyprotected as it's like it's.
I think it's protected like.
The western woods is actuallylike, protected as like uh, it's
like a wildlife reserve nowokay, so.
So it can't be touched, it can'tbe demolished, so there is that
bit to it, but it's not likesalem, where, like salem's whole
thing is being salem right um,it's, it's not like that, but I
(30:35):
mean, around halloween youdefinitely get a little more
there's.
There's a little extra to it,for sure, but um, yeah, that's
it's.
It's, it's fairly niche.
So that's why my family waslike no, I was like like it
would have been more.
It would have been easier toconvince them to go to salem
than to go to sleepy hollow,because at least in salem there
is like there is like the actual, you know there's the tour you
(30:58):
can do.
There's like you know there'sthe witch house and you can see
the hocus, pocus, fucking schooland house and shit.
Like there's actual stuff youcan go and see and do in Salem,
massachusetts that you canactually spend a day Sleepy
Hollow is you have to like findfriends who were just as excited
(31:19):
and happy and obsessed with itas I was?
That's awesome, I'd like to go.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
I'd like to.
I'd like to go and see thatplace.
Yeah, definitely go in thedefinitely go in the fall.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Now, maybe bias because I'm from there, but um,
you know I've been in themidwest a couple years now.
Nothing beats new england inthe fall.
You know this.
But yeah, this, uh, yeah, youknow this.
Like I said, the story, themovie, something about somehow,
something about it just remindsme of home yeah I, I do.
(31:58):
I do kind of get this kind ofhome feeling with it, like you
know, because urban legends areurban legends are always fun,
you know.
I you like them more than youknow I.
You tend to.
People tend to like them morethan myths, unless the monsters
are really fucking cool Becausethere's a supernatural element
(32:22):
to them.
They're more human, if you will.
They're more just actualstories rather than these great
epics like plenty of mythologyis.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
So same thing, so you can believe it more, you can
buy into it more, you canunderstand it more, because you
can relate to it more, becauseyou know Nebuchadnezzar was just
some schmuck and then he, youknow, in the movie he goes up
against against you know thissupernatural entity and whatnot.
So yeah, like I said, you knowthe fact that takes place in new
(33:00):
england.
Yeah, it's just, it's very,it's very homey for me yeah, I
can see that, I get it.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I get it, you know, because, like, I think you know
to be serious about like mothman.
You know, like that's part ofthe reason why I love the story
and why I felt so passionateabout wanting to do like the
Mothman episode is because thestory and the legend was so much
(33:27):
more than just Mothman, becausethere were just so many layers.
It's like ingrained now intolike it's part of West Virginia,
lore, you know it's.
It's like ingrained now intolike it's it's part of west
virginia, lore, you know it's.
It's such a, it's such anidentification with west
virginia, my home state, andyeah, so I, yeah there is a
(33:49):
sense of like ownership andbelonging and and comfort in
some of these tales from fromlike your, your home area.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Yeah, I get it yeah, home team baby I speak your
language I spreckin well.
So yeah, that's that.
Whether you're a lowlymathematician from Connecticut
or you're the really annoyingkind of know-it-all poindexter
(34:23):
and investigator from New YorkCity, or your name is awesome
like Brom frickin' Bones, thisstory has a little for everybody
.
Is that why it's my favorite?
Maybe Is it because Johnny's myfavorite?
Maybe Is it because Johnny Deppis in the movie?
That's also a maybe.
All I know is I can't help butjust feel at home Something
(34:45):
about a very angry horsemanwithout a head taking revenge on
the unsuspecting Dutchinhabitants of upstate New York
in the 1700s.
It just feels right in a in ayear.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Oh, oh, oh I this is where I speak.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Uh, so, so yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Uh, thank you for listening.
Oh God, what?
What is my bit?
I don't even know what my bitis right now.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Thank you for listening, Kyle.
Thank you so much for sharingthe story.
I absolutely love it.
I can't wait to visit itsomeday.
Make sure to crush that likebutton, hit subscribe, review us
on all platforms.
Thanks for coming out.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
I think that's it.
End session I think that's itand session.
Yeah, and you've got to tell meto say goodbye, kyle.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Okay, take care everybody bye say, goodbye Angie
, bye Angie.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Bye, Angie.
He's like Cremonius Bob he just likes killing people
and that's just his thing.
Hear me out.
Have you tried decapitatingsomebody so?
You like headless ghost riders.
You like people with no head,people with a giant pyramid for
a head.
You like fish that are voicedby Willem Dafoe.
This guy, he just lovesdecapitating.
He just loves decapitation.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Sometimes it's just warranted, it's needed.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Exactly loves decapitation.
Sometimes it's just warranted,it's needed it exactly.
You know, we've knowna lot ofsteam that way, yeah, oh yeah,
we've known a couple people,yeah can you imagine that, just
like, I'm just picturing himlike fucking galloping on a
horse, I'm just and then likefucking bam, there goes a head
and that shit just goes going,going and gone.
(00:44):
And then you just see, like thebody, just the body, just like,
and you just see steam come outof like the area where his head
should be.
It just smoke comes from theshoulders, just oh.
And then he just like, liketrots, just trots on home, just
the coconuts.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
He's just like God.
I needed that.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Exactly, god damn it.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Before we begin today's episode, we would like
to share a quick disclaimer.
The views, opinions andstatements expressed by the
hosts and guests on this podcastare their own personal views
and are provided in their owncapacity.
All content is editorial,opinion-based and intended for
entertainment purposes only.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Listener, discretion is advised.
For some reason can't tell thedifference between white and
brown gravy, at least angie, notthe gravy always, always don't
bring.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Don't bring that up.
We'll be here for an hourdebating gravy hi how you doing,
you doing good, that's yeah,I'm doing good.
Yeah, I'm well.
You know the next two weeks aregoing to be fantastic for me
(02:30):
and you know why.
Countdown to sleep token no see, I think the next two weeks
would be a living fucking hellfor you, honestly well, I mean,
the anxiety is there and I'malready like wanting to start to
pack because I'm like apreparer, like I want an
itinerary yeah, like I'm so yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, itinerary, go there, fuck shit up, go home,
that's it.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
That's it, and that's pretty much.
It's exactly.
It's a it's a quick in and outkind of trip.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Story of my life.
Anywho, I'm not necessarilysure when this episode is going
to air.
I just know that, at least forme and I know for you, maybe to
some of our listeners too spookyseason is in like full swing
that we haven't decorated yet.
Still life has been way toocrazy and I am way the f behind
(03:28):
on it.
Um, yes, week season full is infull swing.
So I figured it was about timeto say my favorite scary story
or spooky story, urban legend,wherever it classifies under tim
burton movie.
Um, being a new england boy,I'm talking about the legend of
sleepy hollow.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Um, yes, right, it's just, I love this story.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah, this is great I'm gonna be so honest though,
like sometimes when people havea story like I can only assume
if you listen to our episodebefore you know.
If you listen to one of ourmore previous episodes, we know
one of the reasons why you lovemothman so much.
But I feel like why mothmankind of resonates with you.
It's not just that honky tonkbut don't go down, but like west
(04:15):
virginia, right, like it's kindof like a west virginian right,
so it's very homey.
Yeah, yeah, so I don't reallyknow 100 what it is for me,
because Sleepy Hollow's in NewYork.
I was born and raised inConnecticut, so home field
advantage ain't there.
I don't know, it's just I justI love the story just so much
and the movie is one of myfavorite movies.
(04:37):
Fuck it, I just love it.
So screw you.
I don't need a reason, I justlike it.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Hey, like it.
Yeah hey, sometimes you justlike what you like.
That's right.
Don't yuck my yum anyhow.
So for those of you who don'tknow the legend of sleepy hollow
, I'm gonna do an incrediblyshort, bastardized version of it
and we'll kind of see how thenight goes.
Anyway, picture this upstatenew york, the 1920s.
No, that's the wrong episode.
Upstate New York, the late1700s.
(05:09):
Ichabod Crane.
He's a math teacher, he's ascholar of sorts, I want to say
he's a math teacher.
He's ending up to a cozy littleDutch settlement in upstate New
York, sleepy Hollow, to win theheart of the very rich farmer's
daughter.
Oh gosh, katrina.
(05:30):
Katrina Van Tassel.
See the Van Tassel of.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Angara.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
The Dutch chick, so he moseys on his way up there.
He's there for something.
It's like a week Dude's upthere and the whole time he's up
there, the local town frat boy.
Abraham Bones is the dude'sname, but he goes by.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Brom.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Brom Bones.
That's the only other name thatwould be acceptable for the guy
from Police Academy.
It's Brom Bones, right?
Like that's the only other namethat would be acceptable for
the guy from police academy.
It's brahm bones, right?
Um, he's.
He's just kind of like the.
He's, he's the.
He's the local rat, scally, andeveryone like kind of looks up
to him, think of him like a lot.
He's not as toxic and horribleas gaston, but he's got a lot of
(06:22):
similar traits.
He's very handsome everyone youknow.
He's just the big strong,similar traits.
He's very handsome everyone youknow he's just the big strong
guy and he's kind of a doucheeither way, and he's kind of
picking on ichabod crane becausehe's this, you know, as
described, scrawny, nerd, nerd.
So he's just kind of giving himcrap throughout the week.
Well, it's like the last, it'slike it's like friday night.
They have like the harvestparty, because it's all october
(06:44):
and spooky times around there.
They're having the harvestparty and that's when ichabod's
gonna make his his big move on,uh katrina, and he gets shot
down.
She and he was like all right,defeated and a serious case of
blue balls.
He, he's going to head on home.
Well, on his ride home heencounters the legendary, the
(07:13):
very spooky, greatest littleurban legend, mythical monster
creature, peoples, my humbleopinion, the Headless Horseman.
Just so frick, just characterdesign alone.
Right there, you gotta love it.
I mean, it's a giant blackhorse, glowing red eyes, and
(07:37):
he's just he's.
He's a man without a head,scary as all hell, so scary,
hence the name headless horseman, either way.
So Ichabod takes off like a batout of hell and now he's being
chased down through the westernwoods by the Headless Horseman
and he's just trying to run andrun and run and get away.
Yada, yada, blah, blah, blah.
Well, in this story which isactually which I probably should
(08:00):
have said earlier that this isall according to the first
written telling of the story.
This story is about as old asthe 1700s.
It's not older than that.
But the very first writings Idon't remember when don't quote
me on that one, I forgot when itwas written.
Washington Irving is the firstwritten tellings of the story.
So in that one the Headlesshorseman has a sword and a
(08:27):
jack-o'-lantern and thejack-o'-lantern is supposed to
represent his horde.
That he takes and he throws itand that is what knocks the
people's heads off.
And he takes heads in revengebecause his was taken off by a
cannonball in the revolutionarywar, because he was like a
mercenary of some sort, rightthat's the whole.
Thing but he can't actuallyenter the city of Sleepy Hollow.
(08:50):
He stopped at the bridge Iforget the name of the bridge,
but he can make it all the way,just right there to the bridge.
He can't cross the river andactually into the town, to the
village.
He only stays in the westernwoods.
If you're in the woods you'refucked.
Get out of the woods, getacross the bridge.
All the all the oxen free.
He made it the base, so heknows this.
(09:11):
He's turned around.
He's fucking zooming back,zooming back, zooming back,
zooming back, zooming back.
He thinks he's safe on thebridge.
He just gets to the bridge.
Well, the horseman can't crossthe bridge, but the
jack-o'-lantern can.
As the goes, the only thingthat's seen the next day is a
smashed pumpkin.
Oh, you know, man missedopportunity.
(09:33):
It was like the only thing thatwe can see is a grunge alt-ban
from the 90s.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
I was just about to make that reference.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
It was right there.
So there's a smashed pumpkinIchabod Crane's horse, but no
one saw Ichabod Crane, so hejust disappeared.
So obviously people were likethe horseman got him.
The non-believers of thehorseman Said he just hauled ass
back to Connecticut.
Ichabod Crane from Connecticut,ct.
He just hauled ass back toconnecticut, right?
(10:08):
Ichabod crane from connecticut,um, he just hauled us back
there, no one knows.
At the same time, though, it isstill a story.
What do you believe happened?
Insert.
Creepy laugh there right.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Are you asking me what do I think happened to you?
Know, well, yeah go ahead.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
What do you think happened to a fictional
character in an urban legend?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I mean, I think you know, back then that was, you
know the Grimm's fairy taleswere probably around, maybe
beforehand or around that time,but you know.
So I think, probably that Inthe in the tale in my mind, yeah
(10:47):
, ichabod Met his demise, ohyeah.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Like yeah, ichabod met his demise.
Oh yeah, like dude's dead asshit yeah.
He's dead, as his chances werewith Katrina Like dead.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
But, like I said, I think that's one of the things
that I like about it so much.
I remember it being one of thefirst stories that I heard as a
kid that had like thatopen-ended you don't know, like
that cliffhanger, like there'snothing else like.
Even like scary stories, theyhad an ending like oh, and then
the ghost got the person andthen they were fucking dead or
(11:22):
the you know the hero saved theday.
There was always an ending tothe story.
This was the first one that wasjust like and no one knows.
So I was like, but why?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
anyhow, right, yeah, um yeah, it's just.
It's just something about thatat all exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
It's like there's no way he did it.
It almost made likesix-year-old me what?
And then, dude, when I foundout the sleepy hollow was an
actual place and it was onlylike, it was like just over an
hour away.
Yeah, I grew up just over anhour away from sleepy hollow oh,
wow it's closer than new yorkcity, so it's like little
(11:59):
six-year-old me was just like Igotta go see what happened
because like 1700s, not thatlong ago, it's only the night,
it's only the late 1900s.
What's 200 years?
I had no concept of time.
I'm in my 30s I still have noconcept of time, but still I was
like I gotta go do my owninvestigation, but I digress, so
like that's, that's the, the, avery shortened, bastardized
(12:23):
version of the first writtentelling of this story.
Like i's old and old and old,the one thing that is constant
throughout them all is theHeadless Horsemen.
It's like Ichabod Crane and theVan Tassels and the Van Garrets
and Brom Bones and all that.
They all showed up in thistelling, much older accounts and
(12:48):
tellings of everyone who heardthe tale, heard the tale, heard
the tale, so on kind of stuff,all word of mouth.
Um, the headless horseman is 99,always the same.
He was a mercenary during therevolutionary war and was
(13:09):
decapitated somehow, somehowhomie and got a dome piece and
he has, he has, he has.
The jack-o'-lantern is histhing, he's got the sword and
the big evil.
So he's always the same, um,which is kind of fun, because
the other thing that I find kindof fun with that too is that it
also just kind of goes to showhow this is proclaimed, as you
(13:33):
know, along with the legend ofsleepy hollow, falls relatively
the same category as, like PaulBunyan, john Henry, johnny
Appleseed, american folklore.
These are very American stories,but you can't help but notice
the similarities in um from uh.
(13:56):
You know these, these were all.
These were stories that wereall told by immigrants because
of the 1700s, you know, whateverit's still, there's still a lot
of immigrants coming over ofall these different.
So the headless horseman iseerily similar to um, one of the
more famous uh urban legendsmonsters, cryptids, whatever,
whatever category falls under.
(14:17):
From ireland, um, I believeit's the uh, the doula hand, the
doula han, um, but depending onwhether it was celtic or gaelic
, it looks like doula han.
But you know, it probably ispronounced chevelle, niston or
whatever the fuck you ever seenlike gaelic words like it's the
worst you've ever seen the namesirsha, like spelled out, or the
(14:38):
name teague spelled out,there's like a j and a backwards
q for like no fucking reason.
Anyhow, it's my heritage, I cansay that anyhow, uh, but, but no
, but.
But the doula hand is, you know, like I said, that's, that's
the one I'm most familiar with,like I said, from the irish
backgrounds, where it was aheadless horseman where instead
of a jack-o'-lantern or sword hehad a fucking whip that was a
(15:01):
spine and he would use that.
He would use that to like wraparound the throat, to like rip
heads off and shit like that one.
And he said to be like like badthings, of like the end of you
know the end of time.
He's, he's like a grim reaperor so on, so forth.
So he's symbolized with deathand just a bad omen kind of
thing, but he's fucking metal asall hell.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
He's so metal yeah, I was just thinking he might be
my new.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Hear me out, but go ahead oh yeah, no, just yeah, go
ahead, do yeah, yeah, no, justyeah, go ahead, do some doodle
searching right now.
Yeah, like, exactly like.
Think of the Headless Horseman.
Which is the Headless Horsemanhe's on I think it's some
depictions he's on a skeletalhorse, but either way, yeah,
it's like a fucking, it's like asix foot or like a seven foot
(15:48):
whip.
That's just a human spine,awesome, anyhow.
So retellings of the story ofhis, his, um, you type it away
googling him, right, I am, I did, yeah, no sorry, I absolutely,
(16:09):
and it's funny because the thevery first image that comes up
is exactly what you describedthat is, absolutely metal, as so
fucking metal.
right, it's so cool.
Anywho, where was I?
(16:32):
Oh yeah, a new Hear Me.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Out has been birthed this day.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Go ahead.
Xbox Achievement unlocked New.
Hear Me Out.
Oh my gosh.
Hey, if you need a therapist, Igot a good one, I'll send you a
card?
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah, I probably should look into that, but jesus
, it might, it might make thetime.
Pals happy, but go ahead.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
What if you haven't?
Never mind, anyhow.
So his motives are always andokay, his action is always the
same.
Motives are different, but hisactions are the same.
Actions are he's just choppingyour fucking head off.
Um, motives are.
Reasonings of why he's takingheads is always different.
One is to replace his.
(17:19):
He's looking for his uh.
One is to he's like harmoniousbob, he just likes killing
people and that's, that's justhis thing.
That's the hear me out.
Have you tried decapitatingsomebody?
So you like headlessghostwriters, you like people
with no head, people with agiant pyramid for a head.
You like fish that are voicedby willem dafoe.
(17:39):
This guy, he just lovesdecapitating, he just loves
decapitation.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
You know there's just warranted, it's needed it
exactly.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
You know, we've known a lot of steam that needed.
Exactly.
We've known a couple of people.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I bet he blows off a lot of steam that way.
Oh yeah, we've known a couplepeople, yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Can you imagine that I'm just picturing him fucking
galloping on a horse, I'm just,and then fucking bam, there goes
a head, and that shit just goesgoing, going and gone.
And then you just see, like thebody, just the body, just like,
and you just see steam come outof like the area where his head
should be.
(18:16):
It just smoke comes from theirshoulders, just oh.
And then he just like, liketrots, just trots on home, just
the coconuts he's just like god.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
God, I needed that.
Exactly, god damn it butimagine I mean seriously, though
imagine the sound a whip madeout of a spine would sound like
you got the whip sound, but yougot the bones clinking against
each other.
I mean what is terrifying.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Listen, I've seen the videos.
Yes, yeah, I'm sure the wordyou want to use is terrifying.
I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
No, okay, aside from that.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah, yeah, I think you're getting the word
terrifying and tantalizing mixedup there.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
It always happens.
I need to get those wordsfigured out.
But just okay, imagine okay.
You're that six-year-old childin Ireland in the 1500s, in the
(19:35):
1500s, and you're hearing thisstory about a bone whip and a
guy without a head.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
That had to be absolutely terrifying for
children I mean so was thepotato famine, but they turned
out okay oh no, not the potatofamine.
Like I said, it's my heritage,I can make these jokes, it's
okay.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yeah, same, but okay all seriousness.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah, no, that has got to be absolutely yeah, no
pun intended, that's got to befucking bone chilling.
Like that's fucking creepy LikeI've seen the videos of Jacques
Zewieiwipia with, like hismetal whip and I'm sure everyone
else is like, oh my pants, feelfunny?
He goes yeah, mine do, becauseI just shit myself like that's
(20:17):
scary enough, is a metal whipyeah, a bone, a bone whip?
Yeah, no thanks.
No thanks, just I'll.
Just, I'll see myself out, andby out I mean yeah off a bridge.
Thank you very much yeah, yeah,100.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Oh, imagine, imagine like being in battle.
You know like I forget whatwhat was the, what was the like
the?
Oh, I want to say like the clanwars that they had in ireland.
But just, you know, like thatprimitive battle, you know that
(20:55):
they, you know, and then, yeah,then all of a sudden, you know,
you just see something like that, charging, that proof yeah, no
I think I'd fall on a sword Ithink, I think, I would just
sword, then get bone whippedyeah, yeah, as tantalizing as
(21:17):
like that part of that part ofmy brain is like oh, you know,
that truly is terrifying yeah,that's.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
That's what we call nightmare fuel in the real world
.
So anyhow, I digress, uh.
But then my personal favoritetelling of the stories, it's
just because it's timber andit's just because it's johnny
depp and I love them both.
Um, but is is the tim burtonmovie of sleepy hollow, which
(21:47):
first off when was the?
Last time you watched thatmovie oh, man, it's probably.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Oh I, I want to say it's been this year probably,
like maybe january, hell, maybeeven december, I don't know it's
it's the perfect christmasmovie.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
For sure there's some snow, so it it counts as a
Christmas movie in my eyes.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Hey, you know, Die Hard's a Christmas movie.
This can be a Christmas movietoo.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Listen, you're getting ahead of us.
That's another episode we aregoing to do in December.
Die Hard is a fucking Christmasmovie, but yeah.
But First off the fucking castin that movie, stacked like oh,
yeah, the one person I alwaysforget that's in that movie is
(22:45):
fucking emperor palpatine.
Always forget he's in thatmovie.
I watch it at least two orthree times a year.
I forget every fucking time.
Now, maybe it's because I'm soshocked by that and it doesn't
look like Emperor Palpatine.
Maybe it's the traumatic braininjuries I've had.
Maybe it's the 14 concussionsI've had.
Either way, I never rememberhe's in that fucking movie and
every time I see him I'm likeson of a bitch and like half the
(23:09):
other people.
The the funny thing.
Spoiler alert I haven't seeingthe movie.
My favorite part in that movieis after he has his first
encounter with the headlesshorseman and he's like terrified
in his bed.
It was a headless horseman.
And the guy who played thesecond, albus dumbledore, is
approaching him and is tellinghim yes, we know that it was a
(23:31):
horseman, it was a dead onewithout a head.
Yes, we know that, that's whatwe've been telling you, but it
was a headless horseman.
Like he's just repeating it, hegoes like yes, we, we, we
fucking told you you didn'tlisten.
It is.
I piss myself laughing everyfucking time.
It's so funny it was a headlesshorseman.
Yes, I know that.
No, it was a horseman a I didone Headless.
(23:53):
Yes, that's what we said.
He's like so like and Eitherway, and Christopher Walken is
the headless horseman.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
He has three lines.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
in the whole movie he makes the same noise that
Warrior does.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
That's the only thing he says.
The whole movie he has likelike razor teeth, his teeth, his
teeth, were he shaved his teeth.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
So that's, that's another one of.
So that's what's great aboutthat movie is that it takes like
five or six different umtellings of the legend of sleepy
hollow, and he, he makes it, hemakes it his own and he kind of
makes it pretty cohesive.
Um, so he wrote that he was agerman mercenary um from the uh
(24:44):
uh in the the revolution, andexactly that he was just
obsessed with killing.
Like after a while he juststopped taking.
He stopped taking money.
He was like, just let me kill.
And they stopped paying him.
They wouldn't let me kill him,the war was over.
So then he just stopped takingmoney.
He was like, just let me kill.
And they stopped paying him.
They wouldn't let him kill him,the war was over.
So then he just started justkilling everyone.
So he was killing the British,killing the red people, he was
killing the blue people.
He didn't give a shit.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
And yeah, they were like you know what?
We need to fucking kill him.
So then Wallop goes to the headwith his own sword, bury him in
the woods that haunted, supercool Tim Burton tree that's in
every movie.
Then he comes back.
He comes back every night justto take his, because his was
(25:28):
taken, but he can be likecommanded and all of that kind
of fun shit.
So that's three differentstories right there.
It and all of that kind of funshit.
So that's three differentstories right there.
Um, it's just really like Isaid, it's just it's cool
because you get like actualvisual representation of it.
Like as much of an imaginationI have, it can only get me so
far, so I need actual visuals,so like if you actually make
(25:49):
like a movie or a tv show I'mgonna see and I'm going to enjoy
it more than any of the books.
Sorry, book peoples out there,aka readers, but um, it's just.
I mean, like I said, and plus,you know not to sound too biased
, but Johnny Depp's the greatestactor to ever walk the face of
the earth, Don't fucking at me.
So the fact that he's in it, italso just wins.
(26:13):
He's so good in that, prettymuch everything that he does
well, yeah, yeah, yeah, the mandoesn't miss yeah, not when he
is a um ichabod crane.
He's not a teacher, he's a, he'sa detective and he's kind of
like the one that like no oh,yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, he's like
(26:34):
, oh, like one of the first likeforensics and also the kind of
fun stuff, and he like gets sentup there because, like everyone
in the, everywhere he's in newyork city, everyone in new york
city is like fed up with hisshit and they're just like all
right, just just get him out ofour hair, just send him up there
, and maybe he'll die or he'llwhatever.
Just he'll be out of our, he'llstop bothering us.
You can go bother them for alittle bit am I misremembering
(26:56):
or was it like there were?
Speaker 2 (26:59):
there were people going missing in the village or
something, and so he was thereto to like, investigate, like
what's happening with thedisappearances oh, he was there.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
He was there to investigate the murders.
He was there to investigate themurders.
He was there to investigate themurders because people are just
turning up headless.
And you know, like I said,they're just a Dutch settlement
up the fucking Hudson and sothey don't have police, let
alone detectives.
So they just send one from NewYork City with his fancy pants
(27:35):
salsa.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
New York City with his fancy pants salsa New York
City.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I'm sorry, go ahead.
And because they're likemotherfuckers are dying up there
, then they're all losing theirheads.
We don't know why.
Go find out and leave us alone.
That's what he did.
But yeah, we won't give it away, in case somehow someone hasn't
seen this fucking movie butlike the movie's almost 30 years
old.
Love that goddamn movie.
(28:00):
Anyhow, yeah, sleepy Hollow,it's cool stuff, man.
Boo eh, boo, boo eh.
I would try to go.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
At least I'd try to go like once a year, to go like
once a year, at least, just likea little bit yeah, I was gonna
add like you probably went a lot, because I know I mean you
being that close, I would thinkin like the passion that you
have for that story you,probably with my friends,
because my parents, my parents,couldn't be bothered.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Worth a shit to go.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
They were like we're not fucking driving an hour for
you to go.
So is the town.
Is it one of these towns thatthey've played into the story?
Speaker 1 (28:51):
It's not like Salem.
It's not like Salem, not likesalem.
It's not.
It's not like salem.
It's not like roswell, wherethere's like a famous story or
famous bits there, so it becomesthe entire personality of the
town.
Yeah, don't get me wrong it'sthere and there's themed stuff
around there and there is.
You know, there is still the.
(29:12):
You know the graveyard fromthere is still from the 1700s,
is still there.
The church is still there.
Like I said, sleepy Hollow is areal place.
There was real people who livedthere.
That bridge is still there.
The western woods there'snothing in the western woods.
(29:34):
It is a creepy fucking upstate.
New york, new england woodsit's.
It's just wasn't touched.
You know the story was rightthere is.
There is the actual tellingstories that, like the, the
belief of the headless horseman,is still a thing, like the
belief that the you know thespooky ghost story that you tell
the kids to scare them it'sstill a real thing.
(29:54):
So there are people who believethat the woods are haunted in,
that they don't go in there.
That's why it wasn't touched,because people for the longest
time were genuinely afraid todevelop that that they're going
to piss off other spirits, sothey never did anything.
And then now it's like I thinkit's protected.
(30:14):
The western woods is actuallyprotected as it's like it's.
I think it's protected like.
The western woods is actuallylike, protected as like uh, it's
like a wildlife reserve nowokay, so.
So it can't be touched, it can'tbe demolished, so there is that
bit to it, but it's not likesalem, where, like salem's whole
thing is being salem right um,it's, it's not like that, but I
(30:35):
mean, around halloween youdefinitely get a little more
there's.
There's a little extra to it,for sure, but um, yeah, that's
it's.
It's, it's fairly niche.
So that's why my family waslike no, I was like like it
would have been more.
It would have been easier toconvince them to go to salem
than to go to sleepy hollow,because at least in salem there
is like there is like the actual, you know there's the tour you
(30:58):
can do.
There's like you know there'sthe witch house and you can see
the hocus, pocus, fucking schooland house and shit.
Like there's actual stuff youcan go and see and do in Salem,
massachusetts that you canactually spend a day Sleepy
Hollow is you have to like findfriends who were just as excited
(31:19):
and happy and obsessed with itas I was?
That's awesome, I'd like to go.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
I'd like to.
I'd like to go and see thatplace.
Yeah, definitely go in thedefinitely go in the fall.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Now, maybe bias because I'm from there, but um,
you know I've been in themidwest a couple years now.
Nothing beats new england inthe fall.
You know this.
But yeah, this, uh, yeah, youknow this.
Like I said, the story, themovie, something about somehow,
something about it just remindsme of home yeah I, I do.
(31:58):
I do kind of get this kind ofhome feeling with it, like you
know, because urban legends areurban legends are always fun,
you know.
I you like them more than youknow I.
You tend to.
People tend to like them morethan myths, unless the monsters
are really fucking cool Becausethere's a supernatural element
(32:22):
to them.
They're more human, if you will.
They're more just actualstories rather than these great
epics like plenty of mythologyis.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
So same thing, so you can believe it more, you can
buy into it more, you canunderstand it more, because you
can relate to it more, becauseyou know Nebuchadnezzar was just
some schmuck and then he, youknow, in the movie he goes up
against against you know thissupernatural entity and whatnot.
So yeah, like I said, you knowthe fact that takes place in new
(33:00):
england.
Yeah, it's just, it's very,it's very homey for me yeah, I
can see that, I get it.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I get it, you know, because, like, I think you know
to be serious about like mothman.
You know, like that's part ofthe reason why I love the story
and why I felt so passionateabout wanting to do like the
Mothman episode is because thestory and the legend was so much
(33:27):
more than just Mothman, becausethere were just so many layers.
It's like ingrained now intolike it's part of West Virginia,
lore, you know it's.
It's like ingrained now intolike it's it's part of west
virginia, lore, you know it's.
It's such a, it's such anidentification with west
virginia, my home state, andyeah, so I, yeah there is a
(33:49):
sense of like ownership andbelonging and and comfort in
some of these tales from fromlike your, your home area.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Yeah, I get it yeah, home team baby I speak your
language I spreckin well.
So yeah, that's that.
Whether you're a lowlymathematician from Connecticut
or you're the really annoyingkind of know-it-all poindexter
(34:23):
and investigator from New YorkCity, or your name is awesome
like Brom frickin' Bones, thisstory has a little for everybody
.
Is that why it's my favorite?
Maybe Is it because Johnny's myfavorite?
Maybe Is it because Johnny Deppis in the movie?
That's also a maybe.
All I know is I can't help butjust feel at home Something
(34:45):
about a very angry horsemanwithout a head taking revenge on
the unsuspecting Dutchinhabitants of upstate New York
in the 1700s.
It just feels right in a in ayear.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Oh, oh, oh I this is where I speak.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Uh, so, so yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Uh, thank you for listening.
Oh God, what?
What is my bit?
I don't even know what my bitis right now.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Thank you for listening, Kyle.
Thank you so much for sharingthe story.
I absolutely love it.
I can't wait to visit itsomeday.
Make sure to crush that likebutton, hit subscribe, review us
on all platforms.
Thanks for coming out.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
I think that's it.
End session I think that's itand session.
Yeah, and you've got to tell meto say goodbye, kyle.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Okay, take care everybody bye say, goodbye Angie
, bye Angie.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Bye, Angie.
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