The Wendigo

Our exploration of the Wendigo legend opens a window into a chilling world of folklore, psychological horror, and the ultimate survival instinct. We dissect its origins, physical descriptions, and cultural significance throughout history alongside its manifestation in modern media.

• Discussion of the origins and cultural history of the Wendigo 
• Examination of physical characteristics and legendary descriptions 
• Insights into Wendigo psychosis and its psychological implications 
• Personal stories and listener experiences shared for deeper impact 
• Analysis of the Wendigo's portrayal in pop culture, including films and games 
• Connection of Wendigo lore to real-life events and missing persons cases 

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Episode Transcript

Brook (00:21):
Before we begin today's episode of the Black Curtain
Club podcast, we would like toshare a quick disclaimer.
The views, opinions andstatements expressed by the
hosts and guests on this podcastare their own personal views
and are provided in their ownpersonal capacity.
All content is editorial,opinion-based and intended for

(00:41):
entertainment purposes only.
Listener discretion is advised.

Becca (00:47):
Hey there, friends.
Welcome back to the BlackCurtain Club podcast.
My name is Becca and today I'mjoined by Brooke for a wild
Wendigo adventure.
Tell me you're not excited,Brooke, I am so excited to talk
about the Wendigos today.

Brook (01:02):
I love Wendigos so much and I know that we've talked
about this episode so many times.
It was so fun to write this andalso like this is our first
episode with just me and you, soit's like ah.

Becca (01:16):
I know, oh my gosh, this is the weird Becca.
When Brooks around the weirdBecca comes out and I love it so
much and I really think thatwe're going to be talking about
this episode for a long timeafter it's uploaded just because
, like we were so excited for itto come, and before we get into
it, I want to make sureeveryone here that's listening
is subscribed to the BlackCurtain Club on all social media

(01:36):
and go ahead and give us arating and review, if you like
today's episode.
All right, are you ready to getwild?
I'm ready to get Wendigo'd.
Yeah.
So we're going to start by goinginto the history of the Wendigo
.
This goes back all the way to,like the dawn of man.
There are indigenous Americanlegends of the Wendigo dating
back to the forming of the manytribes.

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So what is a Wendigo?
Essentially, it's said to be anevil spirit with human
characteristics that has theability to possess human beings
and I'm picturing like aspiritual parasite.
It's said to give its host acrazy amount of adverse side
effects, like insatiable hungerand the inclination to commit
murder, like what the heck Ifeel.
Like spiritual parasite is sucha perfect way to put that Right

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, cause it just latches onto youand just essentially takes over
after an extended period oftime.
So the Wendigo is a major partof Algonquin culture and it's
even included in the folklore ofother North American tribes.
It's associated with colderclimates, famine and isolation.
I'm going to read a quote fromBasil H Johnston, who is an

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Ojibwe teacher from Ontario, andhe says the Wendigo was said to
be gaunt to the point ofemaciation.
Its desiccated skin pulledtightly over its bones, with its
bones pushing out against itsskin.
Its complexion, the ash gray ofdeath.
Its eyes pushed back deep intotheir sockets.
The Wendigo looked like a gauntskeleton recently disinterred

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from the grave.
What lips it had were tatteredand bloody, unclean and
suffering from separation of theflesh.
The wendigo gave off a strangeand eerie odor of decay and
decomposition, of death andcorruption.
Whoa, first of all.
That is horrifying.
I feel like this teacher shouldbe teaching a full class on

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Wendigos.
He described them so well andlike just the words he used.
There's a lot of pushing andpulling and it's just.
It's almost like you can seethere's an inner battle and he
really goes into the eyes and,oh, it makes like it upsets my
stomach a little bit.
Really goes into the eyes and,oh, it makes like it upsets my
stomach a little bit.
So there are other culturesthat describe it as more of a
giant.
Some say the size of thewendigo is another part of the
curse.
Each time it eats its fill, thewendigo itself would grow in

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proportion to the meal, so theywould always remain ravenously
hungry, like full-on big backcreepy, that's so creepy I know
and imagine, like you see alittle one and you know like, oh
, this one's just starting out,it hasn't had its first meal yet
.
That's a fresh, that's a freshwindigo.
You see a huge one.

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It's like oh no, oh no, you'relike this one's yeah, this one's
got skills.
He's a legend in his own kind.
Some descriptions of theWendigo include a deer-like head
with giant antlers, and this isthe description that really
scares me for some reason, justlike the wrongness of it.
It's said to be able to walkaround bipedally but will go on

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all fours in a sprint Like justkill me, my God.
Can you imagine getting chasedby the deer Wendigo?

Brook (04:49):
Honestly more scared of the one without the antlers.
Like when you told me that theone with the antlers scares you
more, I was like I'm opposite.
They're both spooky, but thedeer one, to me, is not as
horrifying.

Becca (05:07):
Still horrifying, though.
It almost reminds me of like theimagery of the horned god, like
in pagan deities.
That's what my brain goes to,but it's just.
I don't like the deer head.
The deer head gets me.
It's also been described as awinged creature that acts
similarly to a bird of prey.
Some legends claim you may hearthe voices of people you know, a
mockery of animal sounds oreven an eerie howling wind

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accompanied by the rotting foulstench.
And it said that if the windigothat flies gets you, it flies
so fast that it essentiallyburns your feet when it takes
you away through the air.
And a lot of the legends I'mreading.
It's talking about the extremecold, the extreme cold and then
it gets you and you're like myfeet are on fire.
Literally, my feet are on fire.
It's going so fast.

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That really does something tome.
Like I said, it always has thatrotting foul stench.
If you think about the locationsthis thing is said to inhabit,
it's a lot of remote, desolateareas that get brutally cold in
the wintertime and there arementions of it in indigenous
culture in areas like the RockyMountains, the Appalachian
Mountains, pretty much areaswhere starvation is as seasonal

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as the weather forecast, so likewhen you can't have crops in
the ground for a long time andit's just like we've run out of
meat.
I don't know.
I think it's something thatwould be in the back of a lot of
the early settlers' minds.
Once food ran out and you'rejust looking around and all the
people around you like which oneof us is gonna get eaten.

Brook (06:29):
I'm almost like wondering how that could relate to
current day, since ourtechnology is so different that
I feel like there's less peoplethat are gonna accidentally like
have to eat other peoplebecause they ran out of crops
and meat.
Also, shout out to the rockymountains.
That's where I'm from, that'swhere becca's from, um wendigo

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country wendigo country.

Becca (06:52):
You're from the tippy tip of the northern wendigo country
and I'm like mid wendigocountry.
But yeah, this was definitelysomething that you see it
mentioned a lot more back in theday than you do now because
people were traveling a lot moredangerous journeys and like
settling new places that youknow hadn't been lived anywhere
except for these indigenoustribes for so long.

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And yeah, like you hear aboutthe donner party, like the
oregon trail, all of that, thepeople that go up in the
mountains and they get stucklike I can see why the wendigo
was a lot more common knowledgeback in the day than it is now.
That makes sense to me.
So, like all folklore, thelegend of the Wendigo goes hand
in hand with life lessons andmorals.
They've long been a symbol ofgreed and gluttony.

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It's almost like a fear tactic,it seems, in some cultures to
keep from straying from whatsociety deems as acceptable.
To me it's like they have thisperfect example of what could
happen to you if you break theultimate rule of people eating.
And that's just my two centsfrom the research I've been
doing.
Like a lot of our nurseryrhymes back in the day were like
life lessons, like ring aroundthe rosies is really about the

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plague.
Maybe the Wendigo is justsomething to scare people into
not being cannibals, you know.

Brook (08:06):
Like to me it's like what would make you want to eat
another human.
Honestly, like even if I wasstarving, I don't think I could
do it.
But you know, some peopleprobably just have a better
survival mechanism than I do.

Becca (08:19):
I so I have not been tested in this regard, but I
genuinely feel that if I were ina survival situation, I would
my brain would go to eatingpeople much quicker than the
normal humans.
Sorry, I would immediately thisplane crashed.
I'm looking for, like who's thesmall one, who's who's not

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gonna be able to get away.

Brook (08:42):
I was just going to say, like that movie where that plane
crashes and then like they eatthe bodies of the people who
died, that are their friends, doyou think they?
Got the spirit of the windigoin them?

Becca (08:54):
I would think so.
And that, like it brings me tothis other point, where maybe
windigo is what happens to ahuman when they've had to cross
that boundary.
Like it got so desperate Iliterally had to eat somebody I
knew and it kind of changed themand people are like man, old
gary over here hasn't been thesame since he got back from that
trip.
I wonder what happened.

Brook (09:14):
I heard he's a windigo now actually a true story that
happened to like.
Those people are probably stillalive today.

Becca (09:21):
Yeah, I mean, imagine like people still go up to
everest and shit like, yeahpeople are putting themselves in
these situations all the time.
Every time I watch survivorlike I think of if this was a
real survival situation, whichone of these people would be
eaten first would they be eatenby each other, or would they be
eaten by an animal?
that's another, a whole othersituation that's why I could

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never be on Survivor.
They'd have me on Rice forthree days and I would already
be like violent towards theothers.
They'd be like she's Wendigon,she's Wendigon.
That kind of like perfectlysets me up for the next part.
It's Wendigo psychosis, andthis is something we were
talking about before we startedthis episode.

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Was you told me there was athing called Wendigo psychosis?
I'm like I need to know more,so I dug a little deeper and so
this is kind of what I have foryou.
It's a rare and controversialmental disorder.
It's like officially recognizedeverything like that, where a
person believes they arepossessed by a Wendigo.
The symptoms of Wendigopsychosis are an intense craving

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for human flesh, cannibalisticurges, paranoia, hallucinations
and the belief that you havebeen possessed or you aren't
really yourself.
It's not really that surprisingto me that there's an actual
mental disorder attached to thedark entity that is the windigo.
I can see where this creaturehas been such a prevalent icon

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in folklore and even modern popculture.
I feel like it's just like areflection of how isolation and
hard times can change a person.
Like I was saying like once youcross that line and you've had
to eat somebody, I have noproblem believing that changes a
person.

Brook (11:04):
Actually horrifying.
I'm like do we have Wendigopsychosis, especially you right
now?
You're like, yeah, I would eatsomeone faster than anyone else.
I'm like she's got an intensecraving for human flesh and I
think that leads into it.

Becca (11:19):
I'm a person that has been traumatized in my life.
Maybe I do have Wendigopsychosis.
I think that we've been talkingabout this episode for so long
that we've given it to ourselveshonestly, like we just, I think
, breathe and sleep.
Wendigo, it's all we're talkingabout.

Brook (11:34):
Like even when we call each other, we're just sharing
scary stories about the Wendigoand terrifying ourselves every
single new person I meet, I'mlike you have to hear about the
Wendigo today, like no, youdon't get a choice.
I'm telling you about Wendigo.
You don't like scary stuff,that's too bad.
I'm gonna tell you about thislike cannibalistic being um.
I also thought that Wendigopsychosis was just like a myth

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or like something that was madeup for movies.
So I'm like so shocked thatit's actually a real mental
disorder.
Like what yeah?

Becca (12:07):
And it makes me wonder if , like, okay, here's my thing
we're willing to label somethingWendigo psychosis, implying
that there isn't actually aWendigo, but we'll name the
psychosis after it.
And the thing about thepsychosis is, you think you've
been possessed by a Wendigo, butwe're not going to acknowledge

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that Wendigos are real.
Right, this is just a thingthat's happening in your head,
like, how is that not justWendigo?
Like, how are they not justbeen Wendigo?
Yeah, like, is there I don'tknow, maybe there's, maybe

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there's a difference when theWendigo actually has you and
Wendigo psychosis.
If you have more information onthis, please let us know down
below.
I think I think if you haveWendigo psychosis, it's a pretty
, it's like a pretty goodindication you got Wendigo.
Maybe that's step one.
So in the next segment, we'vedone some digging on the good
old internet to find some scary,spooky Wendigo stories to kind
of torture ourselves.
At this point I think we'veboth got a pretty healthy fear
of the Wendigo, so let's just goahead and put another nail in

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the coffin, all right.
So my little submission for aWendigo story comes from a
website called darkstoriesorg,and this is a submission from an
anonymous user.
I had to find a good oldAppalachian story for our girl,
angie, just to represent ourlittle West Virginia girl.

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All right, let's get into it.
It was an early Monday morning,cold and crisp.
I had just begun to pack up fora week-long hunting trip.
I had the tent and the beartraps packed into the back of
the truck and tied up for aweek-long hunting trip.
I had the tent and the beartraps packed into the back of
the truck and tied down with acouple of bungee cords.
I began the long drive around 7am.
In order to get to our usualspot, my friend Clyde decided to

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tag along this time.
It wasn't unusual for him to beinterested in hunting, but this
time he said something that Iwill always remember.
Can I go with you this time?
It'd be a shame if you wentalone and never came back.
He did sound confident in hiswords, but he was my best friend
so I couldn't say no.
We stopped for a little snack atthe base of the mountains at a

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small gas station.
There was an old man sittingoutside in a rocking chair and
he must have overheard metalking about the trip, as he
also saw me in my camo andhunter's orange.
He said something that shook meto my core.
You'd better be careful upthere in those mountains.
It's about time for a windigoto come out.
Being me a non-believer in themountain folklore and horror

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stories, I brushed off thewarning.
Little did I know the tripwould indeed be cut short due to
an encounter I'll never forget.
Like it's already scary.
I'm already scared because ofthe creepy old man at the gas
station I'm scared of clive.

Brook (14:58):
Clive is weird.

Becca (14:59):
I'm scared of clive yeah, I'm scared of clive, clive's
scary.
It was almost 6 pm and Clydehad turned on the radio.
There was a rapid decline ingrizzly bear population about
this time of year every year.
I had asked Clyde if we shouldbe worried and he said not to

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worry about the grizzlies as wewere about to go set up traps.
I nodded my head in agreementand sighed a shaky sigh.
It was 8 pm now and the sun wasgoing down.
I grabbed a flashlight andheaded down the trail with my
friend Clyde God fucking Clyde.
We had walkie-talkies to stayin touch over long distances in

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case we got separated.
They were for emergencies only,but we would occasionally use
them to joke around.
That is so us, brooke.

Brook (15:51):
I was actually going to say that I was like we would do
the same thing.
We would be playing, we'd betricking each other, like
whispering into it, like this isthe Wendigo, it's me, it's me
the Wendigo.

Becca (16:03):
It's me, it's me, the Wendigo.
Okay, I had come to a smallopening in between two bushes
and decided to set up a trapthere.
I covered it up with branchesand leaves and marked it with a
stick, standing up out of theground for extra precaution.
On my trek to meet up withClyde, I heard something almost
like a scratching noise comingfrom my left side.
I shined my light over to theside to see what it was.

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The noise stopped when thelight flashed over the area.
I walked closer to investigateand found four long scratches
into a tree.
Each of them were about an inchdeep and a foot and a half long
.
I brushed off any ideas.
I just went with the old bearstory.
About 30 minutes into the walkI heard a distant screech.

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Not much of a screech, as itwas a roar.
It sounded like the squealingof brakes on a freight train,
mixed with the growl of adinosaur.
The fuck, I'm getting scared.
Growl of a dinosaur.
My radio came alive withClyde's voice.

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Did you hear that?
He asked me.
His voice sounded shaky.
He sounded scared.
Me too, clyde.
I decided to tell him to meetback up at camp Later that night
.
I told him.
I was going to go check thetraps, as a routine hunter would
do.
It was about midnight now.
Invisibility was low due to thesnowfall and darkness.
I had come up to the trap thatI had set earlier.

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Nothing seemed wrong, but thetrap wasn't there.
It was everywhere.
It was ripped in half.
The bolts and springs werelying everywhere.
The leaves and branches werescattered.
To the right of the trap was agame trail, about 30 feet from
the field.
I shone my light over there asI heard rustling leaves, and
what I saw will forever give menightmares.
Okay, let me just preparemyself.

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What'd you see, man?
It was a tall, eight foothumanoid creature with the long
claws the size of my forearm.
Oh no, each breath it took washeard from my position.
About 30 feet away, it growledat me and began to slowly get

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down on all fours.
Its limbs began to pop andcrack into place as it leaned
its body against a tree.
Oh no, this is giving until dawnit slowly made its way back
into the brush line, leaving mealone, or so I thought.

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My lights began to flicker andas it did, the creature must
have become agitated.
It began to speed walk towardsme, each stride covering five
feet in length.
It outstretched its armstowards me, the high-pitched
screech I heard before I heardagain as the creature stopped

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six feet in front of me.
It opened its wide jaws as itfound no interest in the screech
.
Hold on.
It opened its wide jaws as itfound no interest in the screech
slowly getting closer.
Then I heard Clyde's voice fromabout 40 feet behind me,

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calling my name.
I never felt such relief in mylife.
His approaching flashlight hadcaused the creature to return to
the woods, with an evil hissetching itself into my mind
forever.
When we got back to camp I triedto convince Clyde about how I
saw the Wendigo, but all he didwas laugh.
He didn't believe in anysupernatural entities or

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creatures.
He said he wouldn't start now.
I finally convinced him to packup our things and leave, and
when I got back home I stood onmy porch and waved bye to Clyde
and suddenly felt like I wasbeing watched.
Oh no, I stared into the woodsacross the road and saw it once
more standing there staring atme.
It shortly went back into thewoods and I never saw it after

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that, though I do hear thescreech from time to time To
this day, I don't tell anyoneelse about it, afraid they won't
believe me, and I never went upto the mountains again after
that night.
That was Okay.

Brook (20:23):
I have chest pain.
So why did they set Clyde upfor us not to trust him?
It was fine this whole time.
Clyde was not even the Wendigoand like the whole time I'm like
, oh, clyde is gonna get thisguy, you know like he's gonna
transform and like it's gonna bea whole thing, and Clyde was
just a normal guy.

Becca (20:36):
Clyde's voice wasn't Clyde and that's.
I was convinced that wasn'tClyde.
I was convinced he was gonnalike look over his shoulder and
it was gonna like lunge, butthen we wouldn't have the story,
yeah unless some miraclehappened.

Brook (20:51):
That is um sorry, clyde for doubting you um.
No, honestly like failure there, clyde, for doubting you Um you
really got set up for failurethere.

Becca (20:59):
Fuck Clyde for not believing him first of all.

Brook (21:03):
That was sad.
But the question is at the endhe said he feels like he's being
watched, so does that mean henow has Wendigo psychosis?

Becca (21:11):
Does he now have Wendigo psychosis?
I would say yeah.
I mean, I think Wendigo'spsychosis and being Wendigot are
the same.
At this point, how do we knowthat he's not a Wendigo?
Now?
I guess he would have to eatsomebody, wouldn't he?

Brook (21:26):
But he might just not be telling us that he ate someone.
Maybe he actually ate Clyde.
Maybe this is a cover story.

Becca (21:36):
Okay, if you and I went out on our little hunting trip,
I just want to know, if I toldyou I saw a wendigo and I wanted
to go home, would you believeme and like, let me go home?

Brook (21:47):
Um yeah, I'd be like I'm not fucking around with that,
let's leave.

Becca (21:51):
That's because you're a real friend.
Fuck Clyde.

Brook (21:54):
Yeah, fuck, clyde.
Okay, so I have two stories.
One is one that I chose fromthe internet, just snatched it
up right off the internet, andthen the other one is actually a
story from someone I from whereI grew up, which is in the
Rocky Mountains in Canada,called Woodsy and Remote, which
is perfect, wendigo territory.
So my first story I'm going tostart with the one I pulled from

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the internet which is writtenby Robert Campbell and is found
on short-storyme, and I am gonnajust go into it.
We were done making our roundsand heading home Walking.
We'd cut through the woods.
Then there was an opening andwe'd come to it.
There was blood everywhere,splattered on the trees, the
grass, the creek, everywhere.

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At first we figured it was justa pack of wolves.
We'd seen it.
Sometimes they can scavenge andstart hunting deer.
The worst was when they breedwith feral dogs, but it wasn't
like that.
They're going straight into it.
Holy smokes, something had torun up a den of deer.
Wolves don't attack a den.
Coyotes won't either, becausethey'd get into too much of a

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fight.
There was three bodies justtorn apart.
You'd see a head there, a legthere, a torso there.
Predators don't do that.
They don't really leave behindscraps.
What had done this hadn't doneit for food, they did it for fun
.
But we didn't know that we sawa bunch of carcasses and we
think it's something we got totake care of.
I remember telling my brother togo home because we thought it

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was a pack of feral dogs.
But I wasn't leaving him and Idamn sure wasn't walking through
two miles alone without a knifeand my flintlock Jeb had the
musket and it was cocked.
And it was cocked and full upready and I wasn't going without
it.
It took me a while to convincehim but finally we began
tracking whatever did that.

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It wasn't going without it.
It took me a while to convincehim, but finally we began
tracking whatever did that.
It wasn't hard, we justfollowed the blood.
Then I heard animals screaming,I heard deer, I heard fox,
rabbits, raccoons, birds, all ofthem scared.
This is maybe 12 or one o'clockat night, except some foxes and
some birds.
Nothing was supposed to even beawake.
But they weren't just awake,they were moving.
I saw a flock of birds thatnight fly straight into the

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trees just trying to get out ofthere.
We came up on a pack of coyotes, nearly shot a couple, thinking
that they were looking for us,but then we saw that they were
not running towards us.
They ran right past us and theydidn't even notice us.
Some deer did the same samewith some rabbits, squirrels,
foxes and even a couple wildhogs.
These things were supposed tobe eating each other and the

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only thing they cared about wasgetting the hell out of there.
What we were tracking wasn'tsomething we were supposed to
see.
It was something old andsomething we could not kill.
I don't know why we didn't justgo home.
I think it was his nature to gotowards trouble.
We finally get into an openvalley.
It was normally a cornfield,but it wasn't in season, so it

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was just plain dirt.
We saw the tracks then.
A lot of animals fleeing theforest had paved over the land,
but where the deer blood was,nothing had taken a single step,
like they were leaving it forus to find.

Becca (24:53):
The tracks were shallow.

Brook (24:57):
The tracks were shallow, shallow, whatever.
It couldn't have weighed morethan 100 pounds, but that didn't
mean much.
A bobcat weighing 40 poundsnearly tore out my throat once.
All that means is it's quickand hard to hit.
So we follow the tracks.
It doesn't take us long for usto find where it is.
There's an old church that sitson top of a hill.
Oh, oh, no, no, okay.

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We get within 50 yards and wehear this noise, a screeching
kind of sound.
Oh, it was sort of made up oftwo different sounds.
One was a high-pitched screechand another was a low-pitched
growl, but it was making both atthe same time.
That's like the other story.
That's disgusting.

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I can like.
I have the heebie jeebies I dotoo.
We get within 20 yards and wehear the sound.
I can remember thinking that itsounded like paper being torn
apart while someone was swinginga water bucket back and forth.
Jeb looks at me, kneels down,and whispers.
I gotta stay behind him becausewe're about to corner him.

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Any animal will fight when it'scornered, especially when it's
a predator.
But we can tell by the tracks.
It's just one.
He tells me it's probably asingle rabid dog.
The plan is to sneak up on itwhile it's eating and shoot it
and then keep shooting it untilit doesn't move anymore and then
slit its throat.
That's really violent.
If it gets to my brother, it'smy job to shoot it or stab it to

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get it off of him.
So he walks up.
I'm right behind him, just atad to his side, so I can see
what it is.
I wished that I hadn't.
It was leaning over a carcass,tears off its flesh and throws
what it didn't nibble at aside.
There's blood all over thebricks, glistening in the moon
white.
The creature is pale, white,human looking, but not quite

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human.
It had arms and legs like ahuman, but it was sitting like a
monkey and kind of hunched over.
Its hands were not normal.
It had long fingers with clawsat the end.

Becca (26:57):
This is awful, this is horrifying.
The ripping paper and thebucket sloshing visual.
Oh my god, I did not need that.

Brook (27:06):
The church scared me.
I was like, oh no, no, no, no,Do not go in there.
Why is there a church in themiddle of the forest, in the
middle of nowhere?

Becca (27:13):
Like what Well they were in the, the forest, then they
were in a cornfield and nowthey're in a church okay, I left
us on a cliffhanger.

Brook (27:25):
So we see that and my brother hesitates.
He doesn't fire because wedon't know if it's a person.
So he clears his throat to tryto get it to turn around.
That was a bad mistake, brother.
I swear to God.
All the noise just ceased.
I never heard true silence likethat before and not after, but
for two seconds nothing made anynoise, which made it louder.

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When it turned around, it madethis shrill cry and jumped.
Jeb, if he hit the thing itdidn't mind, but it was on him.
Tears parts him, oh no.
I started shooting it with theflintlock point blank, point
blank.
But it barely bled.
I got three bullets and then Istarted hitting it with the gun
butt, but it wasn't budging.

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It didn't even register that Iwas there.
It was clawing at jeb, takingoff bits of his flesh.
It starts on on his torso,ripping off his skin, his chest,
then it moves up.
It tore off.
Rest in peace, jeb.
It tore out his throat.
It tore off his nose.
It tore out his eyes.
It scalped him.
It started digging in him,ripped off the bottom half of

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his jaw and the little bones,that tube into the neck and then
his ribs.
I don't exactly remember whathappened, but somehow my
brother's knife ended up in thisthing's shoulder and Jeb ends
up on my back.
I'm running and by God I'mrunning faster than I'd ever run
before.
It follows me and I end up backin the woods opposite from the

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ones we'd been in.
I'm headed towards mylandlord's house because it's a
half mile away.
I can hear this thingscreeching and moaning.
I hear these trees, branchescracking and getting thrown
around.
It sounds like someone's takingan axe to every single tree I
pass and it's cracking so loudand often, but I'm not looking
back.
Finally, I tripped into choppedwood.

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I look up and there's mylandlord and a bunch of his
buddies drinking brandy around afire.
I'm screaming and crying andthey come over.
I tell them to call for helpand they look at me and I'll
never forget what they said.
What is that on your back, theyasked.
Just as he said it, he saw oneof those god-awful wool shirts
my brother wore everywhere.
It was what was left of mybrother most of his head, his

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torso, but nothing after hiswaist.
Suddenly we hear it screeching.
He grabs me.
Jeb gets thrown onto the ground.
I'm biting him, crying becauseI think I can still save him
somehow, but my brother had beengone before I even picked him
up.
They had to pick me up andthrow me inside before I came
with them.

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Others and all were all insideand they're bolting the doors,
getting their new muskets readyto go.
The landlord asks me whathappened.
What happened?
But I don't know what to tellhim.
He pieced it together tounderstand that there was
something dangerous out there.
The fire was still lit and justoutside, through the dovetailed

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notches of the cabin wall, youcould look and someone ran to
call the.
What is this word?
Ran to call the sutre, thesurete, the surete.

Becca (30:34):
Surete, I don't know, surete.

Brook (30:43):
And someone ran to call the sirete outside.
We could see it in front of thefire.
We don't know what it is.
One of them says it looks likean ape.
Suddenly something goes throughthe window.
We shoot at it.
But it ain't the thing.
It's my landlord's dog.
Oh my god.
Just the body, though, not thehead or the legs just casually
dropping this hat on us.
Whoa wow, we start pushing.

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We start pushing things infront of the doors and windows
when we hear something aroundthe back I remember it's one of
his friends saying that the doorwas open.
We hear wood getting rippedapart.
It banged around some more butthen it got quiet, not silent,
like before.
We could hear it move aroundand the guys were talking making
sure the muskets were ready.
Someone handed me one.

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No sooner did I cock hammerback, did we hear something
shatter upstairs?
Then we heard it screech again,except now it was louder and it
didn't echo and fade outbecause it was inside.
We all rushed to one doorleading to the kitchen and push
salting meats and drying applepieces onto the ropes and they
all fall on us and and we got toit just as that thing did.

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It opened the door just a bitand four or five men just
slammed into it.
It it got its hand through.
Oh my god.
Someone took out a rifle andtook care of that, put the
barrel right up to its wrist andpulled the trigger, cut its
hand clean off.
That only pissed it off, thoughit started pushing the door and

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clawing at it.
We were on the side, pushing asbest we could, and it was on
the others to do the same.
The wood just wasn't going tohold.
So someone tells us to keep ourheads down.
Suddenly, the top half of thedoor is gone.
My ears are ringing.
There's splinters everywhere.
Two or three of them just startunloading on top of the door.
I don't really know where itwent.
After that the surete got there.

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I was still glued to that door.
What was left of it?
The sun was up before they gotit off me.
They put me in with the nunsfor a while.
A lot of people talked to mebut I didn't talk back, not for
a long time.
When I got back home I got a jobfor the landlord working on the
farm.
We didn't talk much, not aboutthat thing.
But I signed up for the armywhen I was 18 and he sat me down

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to drink some brandy as asend-off.
I asked him right away what theSarete had told him.
The story they went with was awild animal, probably a wolf or
bear, that had been hungry orprotecting young.
I asked how they could say thatwhen they had the hand.
He looks at me stunned.
He tells me that hand nevermade it back to town.
The sereta who had it died.

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The hand was never found,probably taken away by an animal
.
They said it was the paw of abear that looked like a human
hand.
That is crazy.
That was violent.
I honestly did not read thatfull story going into it, rip
jeb had no idea that was gonnato happen.
I'm actually pretty bummed, jebdeserved better.

Becca (33:41):
Well, I mean like we don't really get told how old
these boys are.
But, my God, like coming uponthe den, you see all the ripped
up deer right and you're likeI've got to find this thing.
Oh my gosh Cannot relate, yeah.

Brook (33:57):
And not only that, but then he says he goes into the
army after when he's 18.
So they had to be like prettyyoung right a couple babies
taken on the way.
Yeah, and like when I firststarted reading this, I'm like,
yeah, he's probably like in his30s when this happened.
And then I read the end, I'mlike, oh, no, like that's a
bummer, I think kind of oldtimey.

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It's hard to read like that,though.
I'm like why is it written likea bummer?
I like that.
It's kind of old-timey.
It's hard to read.
Like that, though.
I'm like why is it written likethat?

Becca (34:26):
I feel like it's weird to read in my voice too, because
my voice is so like dainty andgirly, you're Canadian.
This is very much like writtenin a southern accent.
I feel Like the person was likewriting how they talk and like,
yeah, but oh, it's a good storythough.
Oh I was.
I literally started shaking alittle bit while you're reading
that.

Brook (34:43):
I know, scared, that was actually really scary, that was
wow.

Becca (34:48):
I was told you it's a scary episode.
It's a scary episode.

Brook (34:53):
I actually had put the internet story before like the
personal story, because I waslike the personal one's probably
going to be more scary thananything I can find on the
internet.
And now I'm like, oh, I don'tknow.

Becca (35:03):
Yeah but the personal story is scarier because you
know the person.
That's like actually real sothe personal story.

Brook (35:11):
I'm not going to say the person's name who told me this,
I'm just gonna give them theprivacy.
But yeah, we'll call him Frank.
So when Frank was 14, frank wascamping with his family and a
bunch of family friends sopretty young and they wake up in
the middle of the night andsomeone who's supposed to be
sleeping in the tent with themis not in the tent.

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Um, she's missing.
And they're like what the hecklike did she go to the bathroom?
And I think they kind of likehad a's missing and they're like
what the heck Like did she goto the bathroom?
And I think they kind of likehad a weird feeling.
So they're like let's golooking for her.
So they get out of the tent andthey're walking around.
They go to the bathroom to seeif she's there.
She's not there, she's not inthe campsite.
They check all the normal areaswhere someone who is camping
could be Not anywhere.

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So they go, wake everyone up.
They're like she's gone, likewe don't know where she is, and
they bring out everyone into thewoods and they start looking
around for her in the woods.
Basically, they pair up andthey're out there with whoever
they paired up with.
So Frank and his pair, I thinkit's actually like his best
friend.
They obviously have flashlightsand they just like are scared,

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like they like, oh my god, likeit feels like something's
watching us, as many of thesewindigo stories say, like it
just feels like there'ssomething watching us, and I
think that's a pretty commonfeeling in the woods.
But honestly, it's like adifferent kind of something's
watching us and their flashlightstarts flickering, what like?

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When I'm thinking windigo, I'mnot thinking that it's like a
ghost or something.
So when I when he told me likethe flashlight started
flickering, I'm like oh my god,like that's horrifying.
And it went out for a second andit came back on and suddenly he
said a human-like long creatureran in front of them on all

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fours and it just like ran up atree.
Like it just went up a tree andthey were like nope, we're
leaving.
I don't know if it didn't seethem or why it left them alone,
but they ran away.
They were like heck, no, raninto the tent and stayed in the
tent and I was like, okay, sowhatever ended up happening to
the girl, like where was she?
And they were like, yeah, whenwe got back to the tent.

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She was there and I was like,well, did she say where she went
?
Yes, I was like well, did shesay where they went?
And he was, like she just saidthat she went to the bathroom,
but we were looking, like we hadbeen looking for her, like in
the bathroom, like obviouslythere was someone still in the
tent.
Like there's no way that that'sthe only place she could have

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been when there was so many ofus looking for her in like the
time span that that happened.
And they're like, well, whatelse?
And she's like she's like no,that's the only thing that
happened.
So like either she doesn'tremember or like she's maybe not
telling the truth oh, maybelike.

Becca (38:02):
Oh, that's scary or maybe she's possessed by the wendigo
well, the thing about it is like, like I said, in the history
they say it's it's more of adark spirit and an entity than
it is like a physical thing Ithink when he had told me this,
it was before that I before Iknew it was a spirit, like.

Brook (38:21):
I thought it was like multiple beings.

Becca (38:23):
Yeah, oh my gosh, like I grew up.
I grew up in the woods andyou're very right about like
when you're in the woods in thedark, I don't know.
Like it's like the forest isalive, it really is, and you
feel eyes on you.
It's, it's unreal.
So I don't.
I don't blame people.
I don't blame people for beingscared.
I think he was very smart torun away.
I think yeah I think so too.

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I'm glad he didn't try to climbthe tree or whatever.

Brook (38:49):
Whatever I told him he's probably very lucky to be alive.
I was like that thing obviouslyleft you alone for a reason, or
maybe it just didn't notice.
Maybe it was a stupid one andit didn't notice them.

Becca (39:03):
Yeah, I wonder how big it was.
That would give us an idea oflike its resume, like how good
it is at being a wing to go.

Brook (39:10):
Yeah, he said it was really long.
Like he said, it was probablylike seven or eight feet oh, I
hate that like it was, like theidea of a long human yeah, he
said it was like too tall to bea human really, but it was like
you know how they describe itlike lanky, uh kind of human
like features, but it's alsorunning around like an animal
well, they really describe it aslike a golem, almost yes, it's

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kind of like a giant gong.
Yeah, all right, I am going tomove us into the Wendigo in pop
culture, which I am so excitedto talk about.
I have not been able to shut upabout this lately, actually
probably for years, so Wendigoshave become increasingly popular
in film and games over theyears.

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The first time I ever heard ofa Wendigo was when I was around
14 and discovered the TV showSupernatural.
In the second episode, sam andDean encounter a Wendigo.
The form of this Wendigo seemsto be the long, lanky, bald one
that we talked about first, andit possibly could have been the
flying one as well, just likethe way it was filmed back then.

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I think we don't really knowfor sure because, like, the
graphics are a little funky, uh,but it could have been a flying
one.
It's actually still one of myfavorite episodes until this day
, um, and it was released in2005 and it's 2025 now, so it's
actually 20 years old yeah, 20years old.

Becca (40:35):
And you're right.
Like the graphics, you can'treally tell what it looks like.
It looks like a brown smearjust kind of comes into frame
and scoops somebody away, but itis definitely one of the best
episodes.

Brook (40:44):
I only find three movies that starred the Wendigos as
their spooky antagonist that Icould come across on the
internet.
Then, in 2015, the video gameUntil Dawn came out.

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While I was working at GameStop, I saw the trailer and I was
like I actually cannot wait toplay this game.
I was waiting forever and itblows my mind that this was
already 10 years ago during myplate first plate holy smokes,
can we talk today?
During my first playthrough, Iwas extremely shocked, horrified

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, happy, um excited, to knowthat the creature that was
hunting us was a wendigo.
Sorry for the spoilers if youhaven't played it, but honestly,
your tenure is overdue.
The Wendigo in this game tookits long disproportionate form
again, and the Until Dawn videogame actually exceeded its

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expectations on how well theyhad expected the game to do when
it was released.
Do you think that Until Dawncaused Wendigo mania and do you
think that other companies wantto profit off the wendigo lore
because of the wendigo mania?

Becca (42:06):
I think definitely like the way things trend nowadays on
social media and like any othergeneral media.
It's like once something is hotand it's getting a lot of
traction, everybody's gonna tryto copy it.

Brook (42:18):
I definitely think it brought back Wendigo fever for
sure and then, after Until Dawn,there was a couple Wendigo
movies that came out.
Then, in 2020, a movie calledthe Retreat came out.
I actually just watched this acouple weeks ago, which was
where I first heard of Wendigopsychosis, and this actually
features the a couple differenttypes of Wendigo, so it has your

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lanky one.
That's kind of like theoriginal one to me, but then
it's got like your smart,spiritual one, which is the one
with the antlers, and then thelanky ones in this movie are
kind of not smart, like theyseem new.
They're still wearing humanclothes and then when I watched
this movie, I felt it didn't dothe Wendigos justice, but I did

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think that it did an amazing jobtwisting Wendigo psychosis into
the story and it's like anamazing psychological thriller.
You cannot tell what's going onin this person's head in this
movie what's real, what's notreal.
So this is where I first heardabout Wendigo psychosis and I
was like Becca, have you everheard about wendigo psychosis

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before I?

Becca (43:24):
had not.

Brook (43:24):
You blew my mind and I thought this was just made up
for this movie.
Like I didn't know, this was areal thing.
So after this movie, in 2021,there was kind of a wendigo
movie explosion where a bunch ofwendigo movies were made,
including including the AAAtitle called Antlers, which is
when the Wendigo spirit takes onits form, when it's that
horrific deer one, the Antlerscreature, is attacking a family

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in the woods.
Do you think that the Wendigomania is actually caused by some
type of shared collectiveWendigo psychosis and, if so, do
you think that the reason it'scausing this is because we, like
want to find answers about theWendigo and be able to
understand this, being thatwe're so horrified and
mysterious to us?

Becca (44:03):
I'm going to say I think I've said this to you before
Wendigo is like the game Onceyou think of it, you've lost the
game.
Once you think Wendigo, you'vegot Wendigo, psychosis Like it's
just that's how it gets you,and it's's almost like almost
like the ring movie where three,seven days nobody new has to
watch the movie or you die.
Like you have to get somebodyelse to get when to go psychosis

(44:24):
.
It's like your obligation.
They're just mass infecting usI'm okay.

Brook (44:30):
I'm honestly infecting a lot of people right now.
Then, because this is likesomething I'm like not shutting
up about, join us.
Um, since the antlers movie, afew more Wendigo movies have
been made.
There was one in 2022 calledJust the Wendigo I have not
watched that one, but I'm goingto watch it pretty soon.
And in 2024, it was actuallyannounced that Until Dawn would

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make a movie adaption to itsgame.
This has been rumored to happenyears before.
I remember hearing the rumorsand being like yes, please make
sure it's real, please be real,I really want it to be real,
like I need this.
And then so when I, when itofficially got announced, I was
so excited.
I've been waiting for so longand I'm so happy that in april

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2025, until dawn will bereleased into theaters.
I plan on seeing the movie formy birthday and from the
trailers, it looks like it'sactually like a Groundhog's Day
or a Happy Death Day type ofsituation, but obviously, with
Wendigos, I do have a fewfeelings about the trailers, but
we're going to talk about thatlater.

Becca (45:35):
Before we move on from movies, I want to bring up a
wendigo movie.
I know you haven't seen, it'sokay.
It's called frostbiter wrath ofthe wendigo.
This movie came out in 1995.
I've seen it like a handful oftimes.
I think this might have beenlike the first place I ever
heard of a wendigo.
The graphics are horrible butit really goes into like the

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mystical magic side of the wwindigo where he like affects
the environment around him andkind of like he's hunting this
cabin full of people and puttingthem through like psychological
horrors.
But it's claymation also, likewhen the windigo is on screen.
They didn't have like computergenerating graphics, so it's a
claymation, wendigo, it's justso bad.

Brook (46:20):
From the perspective of the Wendigo, though.

Becca (46:23):
No.
So a woman starts havingvisions of the Wendigo and she's
like I got to go to this placeand solve this mystery.
And she like stumbles uponpeople that have been stuck in a
cabin because the Wendigo islike torturing them.
At one point a bowl of chilicomes to life and sings a song
about being chili.
It's supposed to be a veryserious movie, so I was confused

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by the chili scene.

Brook (46:45):
But when you've got claymation wendigos, I guess
there's no rules man, I'm suchlike a cgi person I know like a
lot of people hate on cgi butlike that movie I'm gonna watch
it.
But it's gonna be really hardfor me to watch.
Like I'm gonna be like, oh mygod, but hopefully the
storyline's good enough, hold onone second.

Becca (47:02):
My dog is freaking out.
I'm gonna let her into the room.
Do you hear her, okay?

Brook (47:07):
yeah it's okay, is Ruby getting scared of the wendigo?

Becca (47:11):
oh my gosh.
She like howled and it scaredme.
Okay, I'm sorry'm sorry, keepgoing.

Brook (47:20):
Okay.
So in pop culture, after wethought about it we realized
that there's definitelycharacters that fit the Wendigo
mold, that aren't necessarilytraditional Wendigo movies or
traditional Wendigo TV shows.
So first of all, jeepersCreepers.
Jeepers Creepers is ahorrifying old movie where this
very scary and gross looking mancreature hunts and kills people

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to eat their body, pieces oftheir body parts, to kind of
generate his own body parts.
In episode two of season one ofSupernatural it is stated that
the Wendigo has returned to eatafter 23 years.
We learn from Dean that theWendigos have superhuman speed
and superhuman strength.
We learn from Dean that theWendigos have superhuman speed
and superhuman strength.

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And it's also stated that theystore bodies that they've
captured during their time.
In the 23 days they have, theycapture them and keep them with
them in hibernation so that theycan eat throughout the period.
So in Jeepers Creepers thecreature I guess the Jeepers he
also returns every 23 years for23 days to capture people.
He eats their body parts, hestores them and he eats parts of

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them as he needs to during thetime he's hibernating.
Some of them are even stillalive when he takes the body
parts out and he sells them backup.
Jeepers creepers is alsoextremely strong and extremely
fast.
He's taller than everyone elseand he has wings.
Do you think Jeepers Creepersis a Wendigo?

Becca (48:45):
When you first brought this to me it blew my mind and I
keep saying that this episodebut Brooke is always blowing my
mind, but I definitely like onceyou said is Jeepers, Creepers,
a Wendigo, and I startedthinking about it.

Brook (48:57):
He has to be right, like at least loosely based on the
wendigo yeah, I feel like themore I think about it, the more
evidence I can find that he is awendigo, because at first for
me it was like well, it's justevery 23 days for 23 years, so
he must be a wendigo.
And like he eats people.
But then I'm like finding aboutthe hibernation and how they

(49:18):
store the bodies and like thehuman speed and strength and
stuff like that.

Becca (49:21):
I'm like, oh my god, like he's totally a wendigo and like
thinking of jeepers, creeperstoo, when they're all trapped on
the bus and how some of them,like, start to go crazy.
And there's even one that, like, leaves the bus knowing that
it's out there and, like, comesand scoops away.
That could have been like hispsychosis that he causes oh my

(49:41):
god.

Brook (49:41):
Okay the second one.
They both scared me so bad.
Like both, those movies are sohorrifying.
Okay to the point.

Becca (49:47):
Every time I see like a big rusty truck, every time I
see like a school bus and everytime I see a scarecrow, I think
of Jeepers Creepers.
I watched that movie way too,young yeah, same.

Brook (50:00):
It's like it's like a trauma experience.
If you watch it when you'reyoung, it's like a trauma, but
then you learn to love it yeah,because it holds up.

Becca (50:07):
It holds up really well, for how old?

Brook (50:09):
it is I love.
Jeepers, creepers it's reallygood I might watch Jeepers
Creepers tonight.
I'm not gonna lie to you.

Becca (50:15):
You have a lot of movies to watch tonight.
I know I'm like I'm going on awendigo marathon tonight we
thought this would get it out ofour system, but now it's just
like increased our wendigopsychosis it's like, yeah, it's
like giving more of an obsession.

Brook (50:27):
It's like this is my current obsession.
Okay, and then we have the rake.
The rake was invented by somecollaborators.
On reddit, under creepypasta,there are photos of the rake.
When I first saw the photos Ijust thought it was like a crazy
, scary creature.
And I was told that it wascaught on someone's deer cam and
I was like, oh, that's creepy,it's probably a wendigo.

(50:49):
I became so obsessed with theimage that I actually used this
for my profile photo for a whileon facebook because I was like
forced selfie.
And then I actually recentlyfound out that this photo is the
rake, which I thought was awendigo for all this time, and
the similarities of the look ofthe wendigo and and the rake,

(51:10):
which is what led me to wonderif is the rake a wendigo also?
And then so I started to reviewthe rake's original story In
2003,.
The rake sightings were reportedall over the northeastern
states in the summer.
They stopped after the summerand the rake was described as
human-like but also animalisticdistorted, hairless, lanky, long

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and even, in some cases, slimy.
It was stated before thecreepypasta began that there was
over 2,000 reported sightingsof the rake dating back to the
12th century.
Some found the creatureabsolutely horrific, but some
were finding it playful, whichis interesting.

Becca (51:49):
Oh, my god playful yes.

Brook (51:53):
If the rake was there in 2003, that means he's returning
next year, so we might see somerake stories next year or some
one ago stories next year therake, jeepers, creepers
crossover.
We didn't know we needed so inthe rake story it is stated that
the person who was speakingabout the rake was writing a
suicide note because theycouldn't get the rake out of
their mind for years and years,and they stated that they knew

(52:17):
with their whole hearts that therake was watching them every
single night while they slept.
The story stated that the rakehad shown up covered in blood
years previously and attackedthe daughter, didn't kill her,
but unfortunately the daughterand the father did pass away
because during their drive tothe hospital the car crashed
into the lake.
Some similarities I'm seeingbetween the rake and the Wendigo
is obviously the appearances,their hunger for blood, blood.

(52:38):
But the thing that is giving mewendigo is the psychosis that
this person who is writing theirnote over the rake being like,
I know for a fact that the rakeis watching me.
I know the rake is here, buthas never once woken up in all
these years to actually see therake there.
Um, so I'm wondering like doyou think that this person's
experiencing wendigo psychosis?

Becca (53:00):
I knew about the rake for a very long time and I never
knew if I'd get a chance to talkabout him.
This thing is definitely awendigo.
I think it's a hundred percenta wendigo and I thought that
when I first kind of heard thestories about him, only because
of, like I said, like thatmental effect that he has on
people not that there'snecessarily like cannibalism
involved, but it seems like thefear mongering and like making

(53:23):
its victim feel like prey for solong and dragging it out like
that that feels very windigo tome.

Brook (53:29):
I think that was definitely a case for windigo
psychosis do you think the rakeis one being or is it multiple
beings?
And if it's one being, like,it's got a cool nickname for
itself.

Becca (53:38):
He's like yes, I'm the rake I think with these things
we have to assume they're oneuntil we see a group of them
together, because we don't knowwhat kind of mystical powers
they have.
Like they could appear like oneplace and then appear somewhere
else the next.
But until I see two windigos ortwo rakes at the same time, I'm
gonna assume they're like theirown little entity I better not

(54:00):
ever be seeing one wendigo, notto mention a bunch of them at
the same time yeah okay, yeah,uh, last on our list for wendigo
in pop culture and things thatare constantly talked about, we
have the missing 411 cases.

Brook (54:18):
Missing 411 is a collection of cases in a book
that was written by DavidPaulides, who is a former police
officer.
On many of these cases, thecases cover people who have
disappeared seemingly out ofthin air and have no explanation
.
Some were found miles away fromwhere they disappeared.

(54:39):
Some had passed.
Some were alive In the timeframe that had passed since the
moment they went missing.
There wouldn't really be a wayfor them to get that far away.
It's just like an impossibleamount of time.
There haven't been any sightingsof any creatures when this
happened, but some of the wayspeople disappeared make me think

(55:01):
that something that wasdefinitely not a normal animal
took them, and I think that'skind of like.
The whole point of the missing411 is like it's not normal.
Um, there was one guy who theystated was at the back of a
group, like they were allwalking and he was at the back
of them.
Suddenly they turned around andhe wasn't there anymore, but
they never heard any kind ofscream.
They never heard him walk away,nothing.

(55:23):
But the weird part was thatthere was a bunch of like change
and items from his pocket thathad fallen on the ground, as if
he had been like turned upsidedown wow, he got mugged by the
wind.
Go, he took his lunch moneythere was a baby who
unfortunately went missing, andI think the baby was missing for

(55:45):
maybe an hour or two hours andthey found the baby five miles
away from where the baby hadgone missing.
The baby was alive and it wasunharmed.
But there's no way a baby couldhave gone five miles in that
amount of time and like not onlythat, but like still be alive
Crawling around for that longand like had gone five miles,

(56:08):
yes, I know.
And then there was an instancewhere they unfortunately found
someone who did pass, that hadgone missing, in kind of like
this weird circumstance wherethey didn't hear anything, they
didn't see anything, no,crunching footsteps, nothing, no
, extra footsteps, nothing, um,and like a few months later they
found them.

(56:29):
Actually, no, I don't thinkthey found their body, but they
did find their clothes and itwas weird because they had
whatever put their clothes here,had like arranged it for the
pants to be as if the personwould have been sitting on the
rock and the shoes were likeunderneath the pants, as if it
was just like had its feet onthe ground, like it was like as

(56:49):
if the person was there justwithout their clothes, or the
body wasn't there, but like theclothes were like in the
position where it would havejust been like sitting there,
yeah, but they like never founda body.
They never found the person,but like why?
And like months later, like why?
And then this one's sohorrifying to me.
This one is the one that givesme a big no, no, no, like it's

(57:13):
just a full no for me, like Idon't ever want to be around
these things.
I what, even if it's not awendigo, I'm not going to be
around and, whatever, it isbetter not be coming at me.
There was a child that wentmissing and they were looking
for it.
The police came and then theyweren't able to find the child.

(57:34):
But there was a group of hikersa couple miles from where the
child had gone missing that werehiking near a cave and this had
been like during the same hourthat the child had gone missing.
So like the fact that it waslike during the same hour is
like that kid is already liketoo far away for it to have been
possible to get there on itsown alive, safe well, I mean

(57:56):
this part it's not even safeanyway.

Becca (57:57):
But to be alive essentially, yes, alive.

Brook (58:03):
And they see the cave and it's like far enough away that
they're kind of like, okay, likethere's a cave, we can see the
entrance a little bit, and theysee a child and they said that
the child looked upset andsuddenly the child gets grabbed.
They said they cannot see bywhat grabs it and yanks the
child back into the cave.

(58:23):
Oh, and they pulled on.
I know they pulled a full nopeand got out of there, which I
don't blame them, but how are wefeeling?
Do we think that these missing411 stories?
Are some of them wendigos?
Are some of them just weirdspiritual things that happen, um
, are some of them demonic, likeit's like a whole crazy thing?

Becca (58:46):
it definitely is crazy.
It's just one of thosemysteries where I think that you
could put almost any of theselike mystical things and that
would give you an answer forwhat's happening with this 411
situation.
I remember when this came outthe missing 411 and they
published that map of all of thepeople that had gone missing in

(59:08):
and around national parks inthat area and I swear it looks
like that t-mobile coverage mapwith like all of the dots, like
so many people for so long havebeen going missing in and around
these national parks.
That's what gives me such likea strong belief in like bigfoot
and the jersey devil and thewendigo and all of these things,

(59:30):
like I think they're a littlepocket communities where these
things that we don't understandstill live in the woods and
people get got, sometimes fully.

Brook (59:41):
That's what I think they get when they go.
They got when they got whenthey got.

Becca (59:44):
Yeah, when they got your ass.

Brook (59:51):
What if it's just like, honestly, all of the other
worldly creatures are just like,all like working together, like
they're all just like hangingout together and they're like,
yeah, like let's go capture somehumans.
Today I could see that being apossibility I don't want to
think that.

Becca (01:00:06):
I don't want to think that, though, because I want to
believe that some of them aregood it's weird how much
technology we have and still howlittle understanding we have of
the world we live in I know, uh, that's like a scary thing that
we can get into.

Brook (01:00:20):
It's almost like I can't get proof.
It's like we don't have thetechnology to get the proof we
need I feel like it's because,like spiritual and otherworldly,
technology are kind ofridiculed, so it's like not
people don't really focus on it,like technology is, so it's
used for finding out physicalevidence in the physical world

(01:00:40):
that we live in right, and itdoesn't really know what to do
with interdimensional nonsensethat we seem to be stumbling
into yeah us humans.

Becca (01:00:49):
We're good at stumbling onto this shit apparently, um,
according to missing 411.

Brook (01:00:59):
Yes, these interesting, horrified but also almost
beloved characters.
We're close to the end of ourepisode, so we'd love to hear
from everyone who listened totoday on the following question
what were your favorite parts ofthe episode?
What do we think about theUntil Dawn movie?
I did express that I had somefeelings about this.
I'm feeling a little bit likethe point of Until Dawn is that

(01:01:22):
you don't regenerate in the game.
If you want to restart, youhave to completely restart your
whole entire game.
So the fact that they've givenit this Groundhog's Day twist to
it, I'm like, oh, like.
I don't know how I'm going tofeel about that, but I am still
really excited.

(01:01:42):
I'm definitely still going towatch it.
Hopefully it's good.
Hopefully it doesn't disappointme.
Hopefully it does the gamejustice.

Becca (01:01:48):
I'm in the same boat with you in Until Dawn.
Like I've seen so many videogames be made into movies and
they're guilty of the same sinevery time and it's always like,
well, this was a good movie ifit wasn't related to the video
game.
It's like you took the basicidea behind the video game but
you made something completelydifferent with it and you just
put the name of the game on itto get us idiots to watch it.

(01:02:09):
I mean, I'm sure it's going tobe a great movie, but I'm not
looking forward to the whole.
Groundhog Day aspect.

Brook (01:02:13):
I agree with you.
All right.
Do you guys think that beccaand I are going to be able to
sleep tonight?
And what would we do if weencountered a windigo in a wild?
Or what would you do?

Becca (01:02:23):
I said this to angie we were planning up this episode
that of all the people in theblack curtain club, you and I,
are the most likely to try toseduce the windigo if it was
coming after us it's so true I'dbe like, oh when, hi Long and
lanky, just my type.

Brook (01:02:42):
Oh, what big hands you have.
Big hands, big feet.
You know what that means.
All right, so there you have it.
Becca and Brooke have taken onthe Wendigo and survived.
To tell the tale.

Becca (01:03:01):
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
How do I know this is Brookespeaking and not some Wendigo
trick?

Brook (01:03:05):
I guess everyone will have to tune in next week to
find out.
Remember, the Black CurtainClub releases new podcasts every
Monday at midnight, so be sureto rate and subscribe and
comment down below what youthought of this episode and what
kind of episodes you'd like tosee in the future.
We'll see you next time.

Becca (01:03:20):
Thanks for listening, and if you have any tips on how to
figure out if your friend hasbeen possessed by a Wendigo, dm
me.
I have some questions.
Bye, we got it All right.
I'm stopping this bitch.
Oh my God.