Tinfoil Theories: Moon Landings, Hollow Earth, and Simulated Reality

Step into the shadows with us as we explore the conspiracy theories that keep true believers awake at night and skeptics endlessly fascinated. From the chilling possibility that Stanley Kubrick orchestrated the greatest cinematic deception in history by faking the Apollo moon landing to the unsettling evidence suggesting our lunar companion might be hollow or artificially constructed.

Ever wondered why our moon behaves unlike any other celestial body? We examine ancient myths claiming there was once a time before the moon, scientific anomalies in lunar composition, and the perfect positioning that makes life on Earth possible. Could it be an observation station placed by extraterrestrials millions of years ago?

Venture beneath the surface as we descend into hollow Earth theory, where some believe an entire civilization called Agartha exists in vast underground networks, accessible through hidden entrances at the poles and specific mountain ranges. While seismic data contradicts these claims, the persistent stories of Admiral Richard Byrd's supposed journey into an inner world continue to captivate imaginations.

The strangest conspiracies often hide in plain sight – like Denver International Airport's collection of disturbing features. From the demonic blue horse statue with glowing red eyes that killed its creator to apocalyptic murals and rumors of underground bunkers for the global elite, this airport seems deliberately designed to provoke questions.

Perhaps most unsettling is simulation theory, the philosophical notion that our reality is nothing more than an elaborate computer program. When unexplained phenomena like déjà vu, the Mandela Effect, and the feeling of being watched are reframed as program glitches, even the most rational minds might pause to wonder if we're living in a cosmic version of GTA orchestrated by entities beyond our comprehension.

Whether you're a dedicated conspiracy theorist or a curious skeptic, this episode reminds us that asking questions – even outlandish ones – keeps us engaged with the mysteries of our existence. After all, as host Becca suggests, sometimes giving the moon a knowing wink is the closest we'll get to uncovering the truth.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Before we begin today's episode of the Black
Curtain Club podcast, we wouldlike to share a quick disclaimer
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The views, opinions andstatements expressed by the
hosts and guests on this podcastare their own personal views
and are provided in their ownpersonal capacity.
All content is editorial,opinion-based and intended for

(00:41):
entertainment purposes only.
Listener discretion is advised.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Hi everyone, welcome to the Black Curtain Club
podcast.
Before you get too comfortable,I'm going to need you to go
into the kitchen, open up thedrawer and get your tinfoil.
Go ahead, start making yourlittle hat.

(01:07):
I'm going to tell the crew whatI'm going to put them through
today.
First of all, I'm your host,becca, and joining me are my
buddies, angie and Kyle.
How are you guys doing today?
I'm doing fine.
Somebody's making a tinfoil hat.
He's making it real.
What's it?
Look, kyle?
Okay, I'm good, let's do thisperfect you know what I'm?

Speaker 4 (01:35):
I'm just gonna do it.
I bet you anything.
He is sitting in there with afucking piece of tin foil on his
head he's dedicated.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
That's why so today's episode, now that kyle is
prepared, see, he's smart.
His brain's gonna be protected.
Angie, you are fucked.
Today's episode is an exercisein eccentricity and a deep dive
into my personal favoriteconspiracy theories.
By the end I'm hoping one ofthese brainy buttheads can guess

(02:05):
which one of these theorieskeeps me up at night.
So today we have a few prettywild conspiracy theories.
The first one why do only 50%of the Black Curtain Club
podcast members actually listento the Black Curtain Club
podcast?
The second one one, twotheories about our planet's moon

(02:27):
that people want to know is themoon hollow and is there a
possibility that the apollo moonlanding was faked?
Another one is hollow earth.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
Yes, wait a minute, I just we need to go back to that
first one, okay?
Yeah, I know what I yeah, Iknow where I sit in that 50%
Kyle where do you sit in?
That 50%.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
No, I realized that I was on mute because
constructing the Just check yourInstagram Does it only count.
Do I have to listen to all ofthe episodes?
Because I know I haven'tlistened to all of them.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
You know, at least you've listened to some yeah,
all the ones that I'm one oneyeah no, I'm kidding, all right
so we're talking about?
We're talking about conspiracytheories, talking about moon
madness.
We're talking about is theapollo mission fake?
Is the moon hollow?

(03:22):
It's fucking idiot.
Okay, you know what?
Let me go look at this picture.
Why not?
That better be the one we useoh my god, the little kiss at
the top is so perfect oh, that'sthe one on the episode cover.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
I swear to god it has to, that's the thumbnail it's
fucking better.
All right, that is thethumbnail.
There's enough room.
Yeah, let's go ahead, all right.
Okay, I'm muting two moon ones.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Is the earth hollow, dirty dia and simulated sims,
wrapping up the wildly populartheory that life itself is a
simulated reality that we areall trapped in.
What do you think, guys?
Are we ready to dive in?
yeah, okay we're good, so we'regonna start with fake moon
landing.
This is just gonna start offwith the theory that the apollo

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11 moon landing mission in the60s was simply a hoax.
The experts on this guys okay,the experts on this supposed
bluff has cited several sourcesof compelling evidence to back
this claim up.
If we think about the timingrussia being hot on the heels in
the space race, it makes senseto me that we would fudge the

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numbers a little bit.
That being said, if it is true,it's kind of messed up that the
entire crew and launch teamdedicated so much of themselves
to this giant leap for mankind,just to be told by some armchair
detectives that they're lying.
The thing that makes me stop inmy tracks and take off my
tinfoil hat is the undeniablefact that if the moon landing

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were faked by NASA, then 400,000people would have had to work
together to cover it up, and ifyou know people like I do, this
is harder to swallow than aweather balloon.
So why do they think it's fake?
It's mostly the pictures, andthat's what most of the theories
boil down to.
One of the things we're going totouch on are the shadows in the
images that the NASA publishedof the landing itself.

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In these photographs, it'sevident that the shadows of the
astronaut, the flags and thescenery are not parallel,
suggesting there might be morethan one light source.
This is problematic because thesun should be the only light
source.
If I'm looking, I can see whatthey're talking about and it
makes me wonder, but I'mhonestly not a fucking scientist
.
I don't know how light works onEarth, right?

(05:52):
I'm not going to pretend thisproves anything about the moon.
What the experts say is that,because of perspective, parallel
lines appear to be non-parallel.
If you're trying to reduce on atwo-dimensional plane a
three-dimensional situation, youcan make lines do all sorts of
weird things.
Basically, in terms I canunderstand, this is just a trick

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of perspective.
The angle of the video and thephotographs and the shadows are
just a naturally occurringeffect on the way light wraps
around the object, throwing theshadow.
So you guys have seen, like thepictures of the moon landing,
right, I guess I should ask that, like you've just seen, like
the guy, the flag, you know therocks like oh, this is what it
looks like, okay, good.

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Another thing that people liketo point out is that there
aren't any stars in the pictures, and people think like, if this
is really space, why are thereno stars in the background?
Again, they are right, therearen't any stars.
But if I try to take a picturewith my iphone in 2025, even I
have trouble capturing the starsand the moon and what they

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actually look like.
And this was the dawn of time.
Okay, we're talking like I lovelucy andy griffith show era.
The video quality alone, Ithink, can excuse this.
Um one second.
Can you stop?
Sorry, hp decided to take overmy shit.
They're trying to silence mealready already like listen
bitch the next two are visual,just bear with me.

(07:19):
This one is about the backgroundof the photos.
Um, it claims that there areidentical backgrounds in some of
the pictures, that it claimsthat there are identical
backgrounds in some of thepictures that were allegedly
taken miles apart.
This suggested that either apainted background was used or a
family picture at JCPenney.
Only it's Neil Armstrong andhis buddies having a laugh.
They've just got backdrop down.
So the experts say they looksimilar, but they're not

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identical.
What appears as hills in somephotos are actually mountains
many miles away on earth.
Objects that are farther awaywill appear fainter and less
detailed.
On the moon, there's noatmosphere or haze to obscure
faraway objects.
And the next one is the onethat always gets me is the flag
oh god, the fucking flag.

(08:03):
The flag yeah, I find myselfleaning towards the dark side
with this one when I see thevideos and the pictures of the
flag.
The theorists think that it waswaving as if there was a breeze
, and the awkwardness of the waythat it just stiffly flops
there is what makes weirdos likeme so feral.
Like, look me in the eye andtell me that was the way to go

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about planting a flag.
They just made it needlesslyperformative and give us room to
scoff.
So they say we put this flag onan l-shaped rod.
Okay, they thought it wouldlook unimpressive if it just
kind of hung, limply, flaccid,just it wouldn't look very
america.
So they're like, yeah, we usean l-shaped rod to make it look
better, sue us.
So it did seem to flutter.
But they're saying, yeah, weuse an L-shaped rod to make it

(08:44):
look better, sue us, so it didseem to flutter.
But they're saying that it wasthe astronauts moving it into
position and there was no airdrag.
So these movements caused thefree corner of the flag to swing
like a pendulum.
There were some creases in itfrom where it was like stored
between Earth and actuallygetting on the moon to be
planted.
The videos show that when theylet go of the flagpole.
It vibrates, but then it stillsagain.

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So they're saying like yeah, itlooks like it's waving in the
breeze.
It looks stupid, yeah, but it'sjust an l-shaped rod.
And then putting it down, Idon't know.
What do you guys think aboutthe moon landing?
Do you believe?

Speaker 3 (09:17):
oh christ, how much time do we have on this episode?

Speaker 4 (09:24):
I'm really excited to talk about this because there's
there's the.
The whole theory about how itwas was filmed by none other
than stanley kubrick, which wetouched on this in another
episode.
So I actually did a deep diveon the theory that there are

(09:49):
very specific things in theshining that was like kubrick's
little easter egg trail that heactually was the orchestrator of
the whole moon landing um video.
So you guys ready to hear someof this?

Speaker 2 (10:07):
yes, I don't have my tinfoil hat on, but I do have my
vape and I feel very secureI'll probably have questions
after.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
Yes, okay, so one of the first things is danny's
apollo 11 sweater.
So Danny, the you know, thechild in the shining was wearing
a handmade knit sweater thatfeatured the Apollo 11 rocket
and it is absolutely like.

(10:36):
This isn't random, it's frontand center like multiple shots,
you know, and here's, here's thething.
Like Stanley Kubrick in thatwhole film paid attention so
much to detail, this wasn't justlike a um, like a flash in the

(10:57):
pan or just some kind of um, youknow, wardrobe decision, like
there was even not reallyrelated to this, but I, like I
saw recently, like even the tiethat Jack wore was a mirror
image of the maze, likeeverything.

(11:17):
Everything in this film wasspecifically placed there by
Kubrick.
So the fact that this Apollo 11rocket on this sweater that was
so prominent a lot of peoplesay that Danny kind of
represented Kubrick, that he wasbasically being manipulated

(11:39):
into launching Apollo 11 intothe public consciousness.
The other thing was that withthe room 237.
So in Stephen King's book thehaunted room was actually room
217, but Kubrick changed it to237 for the film.
Why did he do that?

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So the average distance fromthe Earth to the moon is
approximately 237 miles.
Well, that's what was known inthe 1970s.
We now know that modern scienceit's like 238,855 miles, but
back then it was kind of known237,000 miles.

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There was the carpet pattern.
There was a hexagonal carpetshape in the Overlook Hotel
where Danny is playing in thehallway.
People say that that is theexact layout of the Apollo 11
launch pads at Kennedy SpaceCenter.
So this was the scene whereDanny is playing with the toy

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cars on the carpet.
And the way that Danny isplaying with the toy cars on the
carpet and the way that he'splaying with the cars, it looks
exactly like a rocket launching.
So Jack has writer's block.
So Jack Torrance, he's the dad.
Jack Nicholson is said torepresent Kubrick himself in
this theory that he's a manthat's trapped in a project that

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he hates.
He's being manipulated, driveninsane by the Overlook Hotel,
which is kind of a metaphor forthe US government or shadow
institutions.
And then Jack has thisbreakdown, which is Kubrick's
internal torment aftercompleting the moon footage and
being forced into silence.
The phrase all work and no playmakes Jack a dull boy.

(13:31):
So there was like thousands ofpages being typed robotically
and people say that this isKubrick who was like working
endlessly, tirelessly, on fakingthe moon landing and this was
just kind of like an expressionof himself kind of undertaking

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this robotic, soul, dreaded,trapped thing that he found
himself into there was the ghostparty.
The 1920s ballroom party.
19.
The 1920s ballroom party.
Jack sees a mirror, um and um,it says, out of time, which is

(14:13):
kind of a fake memory implantedinto reality.
And some say this is kubrick'scommentary on how fabricated
memories aka the moon landingare accepted into public
consciousness.
Without question, there'sallman in the briefcase.
So there's the manager of theOverlook, stuart Ullman, who is
the person who hires.
Jack was kind of the metaphorfor a government handler.

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So Stuart Ullman was slick,smiling, harmless and yet
clearly holding back secrets.
In one scene he carries abright, red, perfectly square
briefcase.
So this kind of symbolizes thecontract or the binding
agreement that Kubrick had withthe government.
The Overlook Hotel was built onNative American burial ground

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and some see this as a symbolfor how the US government built
its modern myths, includingApollo 11, atop old blood and
old lies.
Oh, so this goes deep?
Yeah, so it really does.
Yeah, but you know, like I said, kubrick was obsessed with this

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layered symbolism.
He painstakingly composed everysingle frame.
He was one of the few directorsthat was technically capable of
creating hyper-realisticeffects needed for the for this
moon broadcast.
This was coming off of his 2001a space odyssey film, where he
forgot about that demonstratedthe, the photorealistic outer

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space imagery, and this was waybefore Apollo 11 even happened.
Um, so, you know, is this just acoded confession from Kruber
that he faked the moon landing?
You know, was he trying toconfess in this film and this
was the only way that he couldkind of tell people without

(16:03):
telling people like, hey, I didthis, so I'll shut up about that
I love that movie if I were tosay one thing, it's that I could
absolutely okay.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
First of all, like, yeah, he did space odyssey.
We know he's capable.
We also know that he's veryinclined to sell out, and I
could also see him being kind offrustrated that he didn't get
any credit for it, because hemight have thought I did such a
good fucking job.
So I could totally see himbeing petty and being like I'm
just gonna like layer theselittle easter eggs in here.

(16:35):
The government could sweat itout.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
But technically I didn't say anything, I just made
a ghost movie, right spookyyeah, I mean, was one of our
greatest achievements actuallybuilt on one of our greatest
lies?
That's definitely the question,right?

Speaker 3 (16:50):
oh that's a question.
For sure it's formatted, itwould be accepted on jeopardy
yeah, I like that.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
It's a question.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
My thing with this one is when were accusations
against Kubrick first made?
Like?
When were the first people tosay Stanley Kubrick did?

Speaker 2 (17:18):
it.
So you're asking if peoplebelieve it because of the
Shining or if they believed itbefore.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
If they believed it before and if they believed it
before.
If people believed it beforeand kubrick put all that apollo
stuff in there just to be acheeky bastard like this is
going to drive these people nutsbecause they think I did this
when I didn't do it you knowwhat I mean, because I'm a firm
believer in if you're hell-benton something and you're looking

(17:44):
for patterns, you, you're goingto fucking find them.
Simple as that.
I'm neither here nor there.
On the whole Kubrick thing,kind of like, we said I'm not a
fucking scientist, I don't knowhow light works on Earth, and so
on and so forth.
I wasn't there, I don't knowall that kind of fun stuff, but
I'm completely in the middle.
I need facts supporting bothsides.

(18:06):
So if it was people, is it justpeople looking for patterns and
they just happened to find someyears and years later because
they were fucking looking forthem, or you know what I mean?
I'm trying.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
I will say buzz aldrin did punch a moon landing
denier in the face.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
That is my favorite, favorite clip I've ever seen,
while watching an episode aboutconspiracy theories.
But I'm gonna be completelyhonest.
I'm assuming you've seen it.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
I would have punched the man in the fucking face if I
was if I, if I was the guy nextto buzz aldrin, I'd have
punched the guy in the fuckingface and, honestly, like I've,
seen interviews with buzz aldrin, things like, have punched the
guy in the fucking face and,honestly, like I've seen
interviews with buzz aldrin,things like that, such a sweet
fucking man, like if I wanted tobelieve anybody in the world, I
want to believe in buzz aldrin.
So that's the moon landing.
Hard for me to like say one wayor the other.

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I do believe the governmentwould lie to us, I think that
nasa would lie to us.
I think that we have been tothe moon.
Did we go?
Then?
I can't say I'm not a fuckingscientist, I wasn't alive then,
I didn't see it on tv you knowit's not part of my culture,
it's part of my history oh,that's a good.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
Oh, can I get that on a t-shirt please?

Speaker 2 (19:15):
but it could be chills kyle, that was pretty.
I don't know about chills, butthat was good did it move.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
That was solid.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
That was a good one um, it's just like that was a
good turn of the place but likethat's, that's just.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
I guess that's my question.
He goes like did it come out,you know, were his accusations
before or after the movie?
Because if they were before themovie, I think he definitely
did them to be cheeky, like theythink I did this.
I was like, all right, I'mgonna, I'm gonna fuck with you
guys, like I'm gonna put thesweater in here, guess what?
I'm gonna put the motherboardin the carpet.
Because, andy's right, he was.

(19:47):
He's a goddamn artist.
His attention to detail, likethe, the tie, the maze, just all
of it, it nothing got past him.
Anything that was put in themovie was done deliberately, not
.
There were no coincidences,coincidences, coincidence, I,
whatever.
When it came to what I Whatever, when it came to what he did,
coincidence I?

(20:08):
When it came to what he wasdoing.
If he changed it, there's agoddamn reason.
Was it because he felt guilt?
Was it because he's a cheekybastard?
We don't know.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
Now you mean accusations about the moon
landing, because he had a lot ofaccusations leveled at him
about a lot of different things.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, no okayabout the moon landing
specifically.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
What were his accusations about the moon
landing?
Not?
That thing he did with thatdonkey back in budapest and all
that shit, none of that stuff no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Nothing about him being the reincarnation uh,
resputing none of that.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
No, no, no, that's a fun read, that one.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Um, all right so to stay kind of in the same vein
here, we're just gonna go alittle deeper than surface level
with the moon.
This is the hollow moon theory.
This one gets my little animalbrain all excited.
First of all, let me give you asummary to hold on to before we
dive all the way into the deepend.
Essentially, there's a theoryout there that the moon is not a

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naturally occurring celestialbody, that it could be hollow,
an artificial construct, or evena giant spaceship full-on death
star.
That's no fucking moon.
Where did this fucking ideacome from?

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Nazi Germany.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
This idea gained traction in the 1970s with a
book called who Built the Moon?
Not the Nazis, Kyle, Although.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
let me, we'll get there.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
We'll get there the authors were Christopher Knight,
alan Butler.
It just so happens, around thistime there were also soviet
scientists like michael bossenand alexander shcherbakov, who
are proposing the spaceship moontheory.
They theorize that alienscreated the moon and placed it
in earth's orbit intentionally.
You're bursting at the seamskyle, tell me what are you

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you're just like it just sohappened, of course.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
It just so happened that there's fucking russians
doing something against it.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yeah, it's just the way you said it just so happens
at this time of course, who'dhave thought?

Speaker 3 (22:14):
because?
Because the russians never didanything ever in history to try
to rain on our fucking paradeever right like you didn't go to
.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
The fucking moon is hollow anyway.
The 70s were a wild decade andeveryone was all about the
fucking moon.
Let me tell you, between theapollo mission and everything
else, it's like the whole worldjust decided to look up one day
and start asking questions likewhat the fuck is this thing that
seems to have always been thereand literally makes our whole

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planet livable?
So how hollow are we talking?
Hold on my computer's trying tolock on me.
Let me just uh.
Can you quit?
Thank you, I told you man justlisten.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
It's weird.
We're having technicaldifficulties.

Speaker 4 (22:58):
We're talking about this episode kind of freaking
telling yeah, my internet's allfucky right now.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Well, you sound amazing, so don't worry.
So when it comes to the hollowmoon, you really have to
separate the facts from theoutlandish claims made by those
who believe in this theory.
They're building an interestingcase.
I'll give them that.
Like it goes all the way toNASA, like it's a big, big, big
big theory and there's a lot ofmoving parts.
So during the apollo mission,when they dropped off part of

(23:30):
the lunar module, they said thatwhen it fell to the moon's
surface it rang like a bell,which, honestly, it felt like it
gonged through me the firsttime.
I read that, like what the fuckdoes that mean?
I know that's a good indicationof something being empty, but
I'll tell you what the smartpeople have to say about this
after.
Also, the moon's density islower than the Earth's and this

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leads some to believe that it'shollow or at least filled with
some massive underground caverns.
Also, the fact that the moonperfectly covers the sun during
total eclipses Some claim thisis just too perfect to be
natural.
The thing that always gets mewith this theory is that the
moon controls the tide, themagnetic, the magnetic field,
even our periods.
Like sorry, it's true, the factthat it's like the perfect plot

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device and it showed up out ofnowhere.
It did us a huge favor, but itseems like it didn't ask for
anything in return, and thatmakes my trust issues flare up,
like what does the moon want?
Why is it here to help us?
We didn't give anything to themoon, so I mean that alone.
So a lot of the craters areshallow, even the largest ones,

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and this is leading tospeculation that there's a hard
inner shell limiting the depthof the craters.
There's also myths fromdifferent cultures and tribes
claiming that there was a timebefore the moon, suggesting that
it may have arrived in Earth'sorbit after human memory began.
Basically, this is the meat andpotatoes of the theory.

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Scientists have done theirresearch and to explain all of
this, they've offered us somekey points to remember.
Essentially, the bell sound wasmore of a moon quake or seismic
shock from the impact.
Things like seismic data,gravity mapping and core samples
taken from the big beautifulball herself have told us that
she is very much a layeredfloating rock with the core just

(25:20):
as real as the earth's.
But you have to admit there'sjust enough here to make you
wonder Between the three of us.
I'm looking at myths andlegends, I'm looking at science.
I'm looking at all the thingsthat can't be explained about
the universe.
What if the moon was some kindof observation station for some
alien race that has been waitingfor the perfect segue to make
themselves known?

Speaker 4 (25:39):
In your research did you come across the Mars theory?

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Oh, I need a tinfoil another layer.

Speaker 4 (25:51):
You gotta double wrap it with these like a fucking
hobo burger meal right now sorry, we can't stop like pete and
repeat here uh, the mars theory,the civilization that was on

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mars millions and millions andmillions of years ago.
They very advanced civilization.
They knew that their planet wasdying and they constructed the
moon to basically terraform theearth has no one else.
Am I the only one that's heardof this?

Speaker 2 (26:31):
no, I know what you're talking about, because it
leans into the, the alien spacestation theory.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
That was part of it yeah, so, like the moon, is
perfectly positioned to cause,uh, you know, solar eclipsipses.
It absolutely is tied to ourseasons, our climate, the tides,
everything is tied to the moon.
Also, the moon rocks are olderthan Earth itself, so some are

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over 5.3 billion years old, andthe moon dust is also very
chemically different than someof the things that should be
found on the moon If it was, youknow, had been in orbit with
Earth all this time.

(27:22):
They should have some chemicalproperties that share one
another.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
We're talking forensic files, stuff like
they're analyzing it under themicroscope, finding some
oddities.
Okay.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
Yeah, it has very high levels of titanium and
other rare metals, so the typeof metals that are found on it
are kind of essential toaerospace technology.
Let's see you covered thecraters.
How the craters should be.

(27:56):
Yeah, so they're very wide butthey're not deep, and typical
impact craters have a veryspecific type of depth as
opposed to width, and this iskind of the exact opposite.
It doesn't follow kind of thenatural order of what we see on

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other planets and other moons.
This moon does not behave likeany other structure that we know
about.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
It also seems like impact craters would be at more
of an angle, but a lot of thecraters on the moon are like
straight up, like somebody justpoked their finger in, like
something just fell directlyfrom the sky affected by gravity
, like there is no gravity onthe moon.
If something is gonna like hit,it's gonna hit and it's gonna
kind of you know there's anincredibly low amount of gravity

(28:47):
yeah incredibly low.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
There there is still gravity gravity is just a theory
, baby, okay, okay so if we goback to ancient sumerians, so
they have a lot of myths thatdescribe how the gods or
celestial bodies moved the mooninto place, that it was

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specifically placed to againhelp bring about life and
stabilize the planet.
Also, the ancient Greeksrecorded that there were people
who predated the moon's presence.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
That's the kind of thing that makes me believe,
more than the armchair detectivestuff, the fact that ancient
civilizations were like doingtheir best to keep records with
what language and art they had.
And they would say that, youknow, one day the moon came and
suddenly the tide was pretty litand now everything's okay, like
life was shitty before the moon, but now we love it here I mean

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all the evidence that we haveof mars it kind of points to
there probably was like anancient civilization.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
I mean there are structures on Mars that we can't
really explain.
They don't seem to be natural.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
There's sphinxes and pyramids.
So we talk about Mars, we talkabout the moon.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Also, we're like so weirdly obsessed with Mars.
Like it's just weird that it'sone of the planets we've had a
fixation with.
Out of all of the planets outthere, I know it's like one of
the nearest that could possiblybe explored.
I think it's fascinating thatwe are tying the moon to the
mars and it begs to questionmaybe humans started on mars and

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then had to come to earthbecause we fucked up mars that's
the fun one.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
That's the one I really like that yeah
technically, life started onmars.
Um and uh, there's this, really.
There's this one that's reallyfun because it's one of the very
that technically, life startedon Mars.
Yes, and there's this onethat's really fun because it's
one of the very few theoryhermaphrodites that exists in
humanity where you have religionand science kind of coexisting
in one thought which I think isreally fun.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
We love when that happens.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
There's one theory out there where people think
that the exploration ship, orwhatever Adam and Eve, their
ship was the asteroid thatkilled the dinosaurs.
Essentially, the Ice Age isjust some type of a bullshit
recollection of their cryosleep,of their journey over, because
then, when the Ice Age is overwas when life happened, was when
they woke up from theircryosleep on their ship that

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crushed into the dinosaurs.
I love that one so much becauseit's like the person who came up
with that theory is theabsolute embodiment of the
phrase shitter, get off the potlike fucking pick a side like
they want to.
They want you to believe inscience and religion at the same
time and, I'm sorry, you havetwo massively conflicting ideals
.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
The idea of the baguettes at the beginning of
the bible just being the list sothey can keep straight who eve
has fucked.
So they don't like accidentallyinbreed to the humans that are
already here.
Okay, you got this guy, you gotthis guy, you got this guy, you
got this guy.
And these guys all had thesebabies.
We need to make sure we don'tmuddy the waters either way
either way, either way.
well, now that you've alreadybrought it back to earth, either

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way, either way, either way.
Well, now that you've alreadybrought it back to Earth, I want
to go into the hollow Earththeory with you guys.
So fucking bad.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Listen, I just went through, for like the 11th time
this month, the Kong andGodzilla movies.
Yes, I fucking love them.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Yes, you are ready.
I fucking love them.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
Yes, you are ready.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
I fucking love them so goddamn much so, if you ask
me, we haven't gotten weirdenough yet.
Space is too big, we could getlost out there.
So instead of asking why themagic rocks out there behave the
way they do for this nextsection, we're gonna bring it
back to earth.
No, we're gonna go deeper thanthat.
We're staying underground forthis next one.

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Literally, do you ever look ata mountain range or a volcano or
a sinkhole and think, hey, whatif this whole place was just a
shell and there's a secret worldinside of it.
Well, some people don't justthink it, they know it, and
today we're digging into thehollow earth theory
unfortunately.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
Yes, I do know this.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
This is one I do not buy into, so hollow earth you
buy into hawae you buy thehollow moon and stanley kubrick
making the fucking shining aboutlike red rum, red rum.
I fake the fucking moon landingbut you don't believe in hollow
earth.
No, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
If you believe in one, yougotta believe in the rest.

(33:28):
You can't pick and choose whichlunacy you decide to wear for
the day.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
She wants her lunacy spoon-fed to her in the correct
shape and colors that she likes.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Oh Jesus.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Christ.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
Yes, statism, smidgen of the system.
Oh, jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
Yes, statism, statism .

Speaker 2 (33:47):
To sum up this theory everything we know is a lie and
the people in charge are hidingthings from us.
No, the planet itself is hidingthings from us.
Let me explain.
The theory is that the Earthisn't solid at all.
Instead, there's either acentral sun surrounded by an
internal world, or a massivenetwork of caves and tunnels

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stretching across continentsthrough specific entry points.
And I want to know which ofthese sounds cooler to you guys
right off the bat Do you likeinner utopia or do you like
giant mole tunnels?

Speaker 4 (34:21):
Both the mole tunnels .

Speaker 3 (34:24):
Giant mole utopias.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
I could buy into the tunnel theory.
I could probably see that Aninternal sun Nuh-uh.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah, like that's just a core.
You're like the Earth doesn'thave a core.
Instead it has a core that is asun.
Like shut the fuck up.
Anyway, personally I also.
I like the idea of the cavesOnly because it seems like the
inside of the planet is a lot ofwasted space.
And I don't like the inside ofthe planet is a lot of wasted
space and I don't like the ideaof flying.
If I could pop into a cavernand go to Italy over the weekend

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, that would be sick as fuck.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
I mean with the right amount of drugs you can.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yeah.
So I bet you guys are wonderinghow do we get to the real
Middle Earth?
Any cool mystery door needs atouch of razzle dazzle instead
of moving a bookcase or a trapdoor.
The entrances to the insidesare said to be naturally
occurring, easily monitoredlocations the north and south

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pole, the amazon rainforest, thehimalayas, mount shasta in
california, and I personallythink that apalachia and the
ozark mountains should be addedto this list as well, if we're
going off of vibes alone.
The theory is that theseopenings are either naturally
hidden or deliberately guardedor disguised by governments to

(35:44):
keep the people out.
One of the big favorites isantarctica.
It's a frozen wasteland with ano fly zone, restricted access,
and conspiracy theorists pointto the satellite images that
have been blurred or blacked out, strange heat signatures under
the ice and internationalmilitary treaties keeping it
locked down as evidence thatsomething is being protected.

(36:05):
What do we think so far?

Speaker 4 (36:07):
I have to know what Kyle's little giggle?

Speaker 2 (36:13):
He had a knowing giggle he brewing something here
it's bubbling.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Anything that involves antarctica I absolutely
love, because you ever see thememe where it's like the boy
who's standing there and helooks one direction, the other
direction and there's one,supposed to be like the pretty
castle in the evil castle, butevery now and then it's the two
evil castles, you.
You come to any conspiracy, anymainstream conspiracy theory,
it goes one of two ways Nazis orAntarctica.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Sometimes, it's both.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Every fucking time.
Every fucking time, it's justlike the aliens are in
Antarctica.
The fucking hollow earthentrance is in Antarctica.
The Nazis went to AntarcticaLike the only thing not in
Antarctica is in antarctica.
The nazis went to antarcticalike the only thing not in
antarctica is fucking penguins,apparently like yeah, that's it
now, don't do not get me wrong.

(36:59):
It is incredibly.
It is incredibly um sketchythat, like, how have random
nations just kind of agreed that, okay, antarctica is like a
no-go, like it's super duper,top secret and blah, blah, blah,
so on and so forth?
That's super sus, but it's likeevery fucking conspiracy.

(37:23):
It's like antarctica, that'swhat's an antarctica man?
And I'm like bruh happy feet.
No, there's penguins there.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Angie, what do you?

Speaker 4 (37:33):
think, Don't?
They also say that Antarcticais also the gateway to like.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Forget what they call it, but there's like another
land like the Earth is actuallylarger than what we know it and
that there's like another, totaldifferent world outside of that
, I have some evidence thatpoints to what you're suggesting
, and I think, in order for usto crack this case, we're gonna
need to go a little deeper bird.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
so this is the moment I saw that episode of sesame
street every hollow earththeorist pulls admiral bird out
like an ace.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
They're like this guy knows.
This is our messiah AdmiralByrd.
He's been there.
He asked the questions he knows.
So in 1947, a US Navy officernamed Admiral Richard E Byrd led
Operation High Jump toAntarctica.
Now, officially it was aboutresearch and testing military
equipment in cold conditions,but according to the fringe,

(38:34):
admiral bird claimed in asuppressed diary, mind you that
he flew into a massive hole atthe pole and entered a hidden
world.
He met advanced beings whowarned him about humanity's
obsession with war, and then hereturned, only for everyone to
tell him that he was fuckingcrazy for saying this.

(38:55):
Just gonna go to antarcticareal quick.
Don't mind me, you guys, whoa,hold on.
I came back, guys.
There's a hole up there.
I can't show you where it is,but I'm gonna write a secret
diary about it and fuck you formaking fun of me, I guess.
So the next thing I want to talkabout is Agartha and inner
civilizations.
So these are the citiessupposedly inside of earth.
One name you're going to hearif you go down this rabbit hole

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is Agartha.
Supposedly it's a sprawling,advanced underground
civilization, sometimes linkedto the lost city of Atlantis.
It's also linked to otherascended beings said to be
living peacefully under there,unaffected by the chaos on the
surface of the earth.
And get this?
According to some accounts, thebeings in hollow earth are
either ancient humans who wentunderground long ago, aliens,

(39:41):
spiritual masters, lizards, or,like these, tall, glowing, wise
and hot, like ascended peoplethey're like oh, we are like the
perfect beings, like we'vemastered it the asgardians the
asgardians.
What do the smarties say?
Obviously, geologically, earthis made of layers crust, mantle
outer core, solid inner core.

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Seismic waves from earthquakesare how scientists know this.
They behave differently whenmoving through different
materials and we have tons ofdata supporting that.
But hey, if I've learnedanything doing this show, it's
that science doesn't stop peoplefrom believing.
Maybe science just hasn't dugdeep enough.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
Some say nazis escaped into the hollow earth
through antarctica like I saidyou know, you, you pull on the
thread of any conspiracy.
You get one or both.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
This one, we got both one of these hollow earth
people have this famous quotethat I love is that the core is
just lava propaganda typical biglava burning us all up from the
insides.

Speaker 4 (40:48):
Love it.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
propaganda they also love to talk about this book
from 1908 called the Smoky God,where a sailor claims he sailed
into the earth through the NorthPole and found a land of giants
and endless daylight.
So this is.
This is their like facts andevidence right?
So either earth is a solid rockor it's the most exclusive

(41:11):
speakeasy in the galaxy andwe're all just pounding on the
surface hoping they let us in.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
I personally like the idea of caves.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
I can buy caves.
I can buy caves.
I can swallow caves.
That is easy to go down.
I do fucking miss me with theinner utopia.
I don't believe that shit yeah,the cave system.

Speaker 4 (41:32):
I mean it's allegedly crawling with aliens and that
goes with the, you know, and themissing 411 and the cave system
and people going missing, andso, yeah, I could, I can, I can
swallow this and I meanarchaeologists dig up cities all

(41:53):
the time that they didn'tremember, they didn't realize
existed.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
It wouldn't surprise me so much that there's more
going on underground in the pastthan there is now oh, I mean, I
can believe it insane amounts.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
My question is is what makes like?
What makes k Kubrick's prettymuch a documentary and not Adam
Wingard, the director of KongGodzilla?
What makes?

Speaker 1 (42:18):
him a liar.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
I literally just watched the movies.
They went there, they wentthere, I saw it.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
They went there, it was on location.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Exactly, it was practical effects.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
It was practical effects.
I it's actually found footage.
It's practical effects.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
I saw it all guys.
It was a found footage film.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
You can't tell this man what he didn't see wasn't
real.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Exactly, or what he saw wasn't real, duh.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
I know what I saw, and that's a brand new movie,
brand new.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
That's recent.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
This is recent history.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
So like very believable.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Wake up sheeple.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
All right.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
So my next theory guys, I want to get fucky with
this one.
What is Denver hiding in theairport?
Literally everything oh God,yeah, this one hits close is
Denver hiding in the airport?
Literally everything oh God,yeah, this one hits close to
home, literally.
The airport I'm going to betalking about is the Denver
International Airport, which islike an hour away from my home.
I feel comfortable revealingthat only because I've carefully

(43:23):
sculpted my reputation on thisshow as an individual that does
not play well with others.
Try to find me and see whathappens.
Anywho, there's a lot that goesinto this, and the first thing
I'm going to talk about isblucifer and the blood on his
hooves so the first thing thatyou see coming into the airport
is this giant blue horse statue.
It's disturbingly anatomicallycorrect.

(43:45):
This art piece is veined withpulsating doom.
The statue is called themustang, but the internet and
everyone with the working set ofeyes have nicknamed this
monstrosity blucifer.
Some say it represents the fourhorsemen of the apocalypse,
others claim it's some kind ofilluminati watchtower.
This thing is 32 feet tall, theeyes glow red, and not only is

(44:08):
it well hung, but also Homie hasa kill count.
Like many ungodly creatures,lucifer killed his creator
before it was even finished whatI just pulled up.

Speaker 4 (44:24):
A picture of this thing, holy shit.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Do you see its endowment?
I'm telling you, veined withpulsating doom.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
I say that very deliberately.
So, like I said, blue superkilled.
Blue super killed its creatorbefore it was even finished and
they still presented it to uslike a gift we probably deserve
but didn't ask for.
During its conception, part ofthe horse fell onto the artist,
louis jimenez and severed theartery in his leg, killing him,
which is the most metal originstory for the first public art

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piece I've ever heard of have.
Now that you've seen thepictures of it, like would you
want to see it in person?
No, and I'm sitting herethinking I'm gonna be flying
into this airport in october.
You're gonna come give it a kisson your way to see me it is a
sight to be held so as if theexterior isn't brutal enough,
between the 32 foot harbinger ofdoom and the inconvenience of

(45:26):
the denver airport, beingliterally 40 minutes away from
denver, it has even more twistedart on the inside.
The murals, guys yes, it's sounsettling.
It's not even funny.
If you haven't seen them, pausethe episode, google it and then
come back here and stare at mefor a little bit, because I see
you and you aren't alone.
Okay, it's created by this guynamed le Tanguma, and the most

(45:51):
infamous ones that are there area scene of children in coffins,
gas-masked soldier with giantShmitar and cities in ruins and
terrified families.
That's just one.
The second is a peacefulfollow-up, with children from
all nations gathered around aglowing plant All above the

(46:13):
corpse Of the same soldier.
So they're intended To depictthe horrors of war and the
dreams of peace, but theexecution feels more like a
prophecy or a warning, and it'snot something you want to look
at Before you get on an airplane.
They're traumatizing you guys.

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They're just fucking weird.
And if the art doesn't get you,the secret tunnels really
should.
So it gets deeper.
There are reportedly six levelsbelow the airport.
The official story is thatthey're part of a failed
automated baggage system.
But we love a good, that's whatthey want you to think moment.
So the theories include thereare underground bunkers for the

(47:01):
global elite to wait out theapocalypse.
There's connections to NORAD,which is just like 100 miles
away Colorado Springs, PikesPeak, around that side of the
mountains.
That's where NORAD is, the bigsecret military base.
It's not a secret.
Everybody knows about.
So they think that you know thetunnels connect to NORAD.
They think that a new WorldOrder HQ was built in plain

(47:23):
sight.
They think that it's a hiddendetention center for cloning
facilities and they think alientech storage right.
Some say that there are symbolsand the layout of these tunnels
mimic swastikas from above.
Others talk about weird masonicplaques, gargoyle statues
warning travelers and workerswho claim parts of the tunnels.

(47:46):
Just go on forever.
I've actually spoken to peoplewho work here and it's very hush
, hush.
They don't want employeespoking around in there and they
don't want you bringing yourfriends to see them Like,
believe me, they don't.
If you work there and you tryto get your friend in to see the
tunnels, you're going to get introuble.
It's like the rule is don't ask, don't tell.

(48:07):
If you know me, you know thisis a challenge I refuse to
ignore.
So another thing I want to talkabout is the airport went
billions over budget and it took16 months longer than it should
have to make it.
They also built it way out inthe middle of nowhere, even
though Stapleton, the oldairport, was still very much

(48:28):
functional.
So the real question is why?
Why here?
Why the weird vibes?
Why is this airport theconspiracy theorist Disneyland?
And it just feels like this iseither the greatest prank ever
funded by taxpayer money or weare one automated announcement
away from a portal opening undergate C-13 and swallowing the
world whole.

(48:48):
What do you guys think aboutthis airport and swallowing the
world?

Speaker 3 (48:52):
whole.
What do you guys think aboutthis airport?
I can neither confirm nor deny.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Insightful, angie you I love that you're.
You weren't supposed to be onthis episode, but now that I
know that.
Angie is going to be flyingthrough DIA in the upcoming
future.
It makes me so excited to knowthat she knows all the twisted,
fucked up shit that goes downinside of it.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
How does it make you feel?

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Well, I'm thinking about finding another airport to
fly into hey Stapleton.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
You'll be fine.
You'll be fine.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Honestly, it's so popular.
That's the thing that gets mewith it is how popular dia is,
like we talked about on oneepisode.
I could look up at the sky atany point and there are like 20
fucking planes.
It is insanely popular.
There's a lot of foot trafficfor them to actually be hiding
something there.
I think that it would take amiracle, honestly a miracle but,

(49:50):
but often, what do you do?

Speaker 4 (49:51):
you hide things in plain sight.
Yeah, what also might explainwhy denver is one of the most
expensive airports to fuckingfly into and it's not a
convenience fee you're paying.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Let me tell you it is not convenient to fly to dia,
especially if it's like a longhaul, if you're flying in and
you have like hours to drive toget to a hotel like it's.
It's a nightmare, guys.
It's.
It's like a long haul if you'reflying in and you have like
hours to drive to get to a hotellike it's.
It's a nightmare, guys.
It's.
It's out in the middle ofnowhere.
I'm telling you, it's almostlike deserted.
So, moving away from airplanes,as regretful as that is, I want

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to go into the theory that weare all Sims.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Hello, hello, hello hello.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
In the most uncomfortable cling film you can
imagine, I'm going to gentlypry apart everything you've ever
known about yourself andreality and what is possible.
Have either of you heard thetheory that we're living in a
simulation?

Speaker 3 (50:46):
I've seen the Matrix.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 4 (50:49):
Yes, yes.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Very, very much, so I love this theory.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
I am locked into this .
Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Hell yeah.
So essentially, if you everlook around and you feel like
something's off or like you'restuck in a glitchy video game
designed by cosmic interns andmonitored by an emotionally
unavailable alien species, akaUbisoft, you're already started.
You're already a part of thesimulation theory.
Let's dive in.

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No parachute, no physics, noquestions.
We're just gonna, we're justgonna rip this out.
So some people believe thatwe're all sharing one big
simulation, like some kind ofmassive mmorpg run on whatever
passes for god's gpu.
Others say it's individualizedjust you, your reality, your
npcs and the ai behind thescreen keeping you entertained

(51:36):
or suffering, based on yourupgrade plan.
Either way, the same questionapplies is any of this real,
with gta logic?
This is where I know I touchedon this in the creep in the
creepypasta.
But I want to dive even deeperinto this particular version of
the simulation, because this isthe one that makes it tangible
for me.

(51:58):
If you look at the game GrandTheft Auto 5, it's the perfect
simulation of a simulation.
It does what most games do tosave processing power, and it
only renders the world a chunkat a time.
There is an algorithm thatdetermines which vehicles which
NPCs spawn and what kind ofweather you're going to have
while you break society's ruleslike a little delinquent.
So what we have here is NPCs ona loop saying the same five

(52:21):
lines of dialogue.
You have people disappearingthe moment you look away,
bizarre side quests involvingsentient pigeons and real estate
fraud, invisible walls, physicsbreaking moments and cars that
spawn in front of you.
If you ever feel like theweather changes just to suit the
mood of your life story, that'snot the universe.
Being poetic, that's theweather mod script flipping on.

(52:43):
Obviously there's nuance to it,but this is essentially the idea
that it's like preloaded, basedon you and what you're looking
at, and there are people thatyou come into contact with that
will become like main charactersthat you will interact with on
a daily basis or sometimes likerarely, but it's essentially
like a tailored experience toyou and you're the main
character.
They're just testing shit outon you.

(53:04):
Another one is it's like thematrix theory that the real
world is just a dream your bodyis having while you're plugged
into a machine somewhere in acompletely different dimension.
Maybe you chose to be here,maybe you didn't.
The Mandela effect is just aglitch in the code.
Deja vu is Runderlag, thefeeling of being watched when

(53:25):
you're alone.
That's the simulations camerapulling back for a wide shot.
You can't convince me that thematrix wasn't a documentary with
a bigger VFX budget than theTruth ever gets, so let's stir
in some alien spice.

Speaker 4 (53:39):
Why not?

Speaker 2 (53:39):
We were created as an experiment, a little lab-grown
planet for extraterrestrial gradstudents studying emotional
chaos and capitalism.
Or worse, they're not studyingus.
What if we're just thescreensaver running while
they're out?
Crop circles, abductions, sleep, paralysis these are just patch
notes being installed, thefeeling that you're the main

(54:00):
character.
That's because you are, and thealiens are watching your life's
arc like it's peak prestige TV.
And here's where it getssinister.
What if the simulation is notrun by random code, but the new
world order, not as programmers,but as editors, curating
reality, controlling collectiveconsciousness by deciding what

(54:20):
upgrades get pushed through thenews cycle?
That's just a change log.
Social media is a distraction.
Code engineering to keep youbusy, keep you scrolling, to
notice simulation has brownedyou dreams.
They're the upload files newtrauma, new storylines, new
rules.
If you ever wake up and swearsomething is different or the
air changed, maybe it did, maybeyou got patched.

(54:42):
What do you guys think?
Could you believe in thesimulation theory?

Speaker 3 (54:47):
I think I'm gonna cry is what I'm gonna do, that's
for sure it's too real right it,it is, it is, it's nuts,
because like it's, it doesexplain like the weird things
like deja vu and oh that thing'sjust weird, the mandela effect,
a lot of kind of fun shit andso on.
So it it does bring quoteunquote, if you can, if you

(55:07):
shall Sense and reasoning to allthose.
It's just it's not pretty, it'snot pretty.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
It's not pretty.
Sense and reasoning it makeseverything feel pointless, and
that's something I struggle withon a daily basis.
It's just a fucking game Likethis is just a fucking game,
yeah.
Because, if you think about likeit seems like the rule should
be you do good, you get good.
You work hard, you make money,maybe you get rich, maybe you're

(55:36):
able to save some money.
But it seems like people whofollow all of the rules of life
the way they're supposed to,they don't always get what they
deserve for that.
And there are people that don't.
They get what other peopledeserve.
They don't necessarily deservethe good that they've had.
They get what other peopledeserve.
They don't necessarily deservethe good that they've had.
And I think little moments likethat are what make theories
like this so easy to cling to,because it brings sense to

(55:57):
something in reality thatdoesn't make a lot of sense.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
Yeah, it brings sense to the horrendous inequality
and unfair.

Speaker 4 (56:10):
Angie, I want to know , what, what?

Speaker 2 (56:14):
I want to know what you feel I want to know what.
How?

Speaker 1 (56:17):
do you feel about the ?

Speaker 2 (56:17):
simulation.

Speaker 4 (56:18):
Hmm, I mean, maybe we're not inside the code, maybe
we are the code, that'sdreaming and self-awake.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Hmm.

Speaker 4 (56:32):
There's a couple different.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
It's very complicated .

Speaker 4 (56:35):
Yeah, because you know, are we Sorry, my brain is
just going in so many differentdirections they're interfering.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
You should have worn the tinfoil if I'm good.

Speaker 4 (56:48):
Are we?
Are we the?
Are we the makers of thissimulation?
Like an advanced, you know.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
So if we're going with the grand theft auto 5
logic what if it's not the worldrandomly happening around us?

Speaker 4 (57:07):
it is stuff that we are pulling to us with our
subconscious because we are theones writing the simulation as
we are living it, we just don'trealize it is that why so many
people really truly believe inyou know, manifesting that you
are just bending code.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Right, and why?
Like?
Maybe the reason why somepeople don't believe in the moon
landing is because that's notpart of their simulation.
They're like no, they told methat was a lie.
I just don't know why they toldme that.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
So you're saying it's poor people who couldn't buy
the DLC?
Is what you're saying?

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Yeah, they couldn't afford the patch.
That was like moon landing youget access to moon knowledge.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
They don't get the V-Bucks.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
It's one that I find myself circling back to a lot.
I really do.
I find that there are a lot ofthings in reality that don't
make sense according to therules of the universe, and you
can take that how you will.
I have seen some shit.
I I think that it might be true.
You guys, I think that we couldbe living in a simulation.

(58:09):
I think that aliens could beinvolved.
I think the new world ordercould be involved.
Fuck it.
Everybody that was ever badcould be involved, and we are
just people that are livinginside of the machine and we can
either work together or wedon't.
But I think that's my two centsabout it.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
anywho I think, when it comes down to the simulation,
one like, like you said, the,the two big ones that I know of,
or at least I feel have themost probability uh, it's the
truman show, and we're all, jimcarrey and the aliens, are
controlling whether it's justfor sick entertainment.
Whether it's the truman show,and we're all jim carrey and the
aliens are controlling whetherit's just for sick entertainment
, whether it's this and theother thing, whether it is
screenshift, doesn't matter.
Um, we are something they'vecreated.

(58:47):
We are just that.
Maybe we are their gta.
That's what it is yeah we areliterally just their video game.
Um, and that steven king bookunder the dome.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
The reason the dome gets dropped on that town is
it's like an alien video game.
It's literally like they justdrop the dome down to see how a
civilization would react whenall of their supplies are cut
off.
They're all locked together inthis small town and suspicions
arise Like they end up killingeach other off, like it's just
they were bored, they just shakeit.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
They're testing shit out.
Yeah, they're just like seewhat the fuck's going around.
Man, it's exactly that.
What do you do?
It's like oh, here's this thing, give it to the mouse, see what
it does, record it down, put iton the internet.
Who the fuck cares?
That's what we are.
We're the lab rats.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
I I feel that one has more that's why we're so weird
about human experimentation,because they're worried that
through human experimentationwe're going to realize that
humans are an experimentationthanks.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
Oh, where's chris nolan's movie explaining all of
this, that he's behind all ofthis?
Because this sounds very chrisnolan in his ballpark.
Eat your heart out, kubrick.
Um the one about the new worldorder and the deep state,
running running it I know it'sjust I feel it's movie knowledge
than I do oh, it's not so muchthe movie knowledge, it's just

(59:57):
the like, the the other.
The other theory that I'mthinking about is that them
running, it is like I thinkthere is, I think there's more
gravity.
Not so much that they'recontrolling a simulation,
they're just controlling theworld because you can't.
You can't rule the world, youcan't dominate, you can't just
like take over the world thatthe one person's in charge,
because that's just bad forbusiness.

(01:00:18):
People have tried it's notrealistic, too big.
It's exactly, it's way too big.
So, but if you get enoughpeople in to kind of spread it
out throughout there and getthis person involved in that
person involved, that personinvolved, you seem like you're
against each other, but reallyyou're working with each other
and you keep laughing on yourway to the bank.
Um, I think that's the moreprobable because, okay, the
social media is exactly.
I feel all these people withthese sick and twisted minds

(01:00:40):
could have potentially come upwith these things and these
bogus conflicts and these bogusdistractions.
It's just like I don't want tobe that guy, but we have some
really heavy situations going onin the world right now and the
only thing you can find.
If you open up any form ofsocial media or anything that's
connected to the internet, allyou're seeing is a hundred guys
versus a gorilla.

(01:01:00):
I think they're masters of the,the misdirection and the oh look
, shiny thing over here, whilethey're robbing you and screwing
you over on the other sideright I don't necessarily think
they're controlling like anactual, like no one pulls up
like a laptop and like startsfucking with everyone
individually it's the control ofthe collective consciousness,
like I was saying, like they'rejust kind of directing the flow

(01:01:21):
of thought and trying to getthat herd mentality stirred up
and going towards a little moremessaging, all that fun shit
exactly, exactly, um, those areall of my conspiracy theories.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
I was wondering if there were any honorable
mentions that you guys wouldlike to just throw out there
before we go into the outro toomany of them one that I wish I
had done was the theory thatshakespeare is more than one
person I really like that one.
That's a good one I also likethe idea that the titanic that

(01:01:53):
sank was actually its sistership, because something happened
to the titanic before it wassupposed to go off and like shit
went down.
Obviously they could never comeclean about it, like it was
just gonna be a littleswitcheroo.
People are just gonna ride faketitanic and be like woo, we
rode titanic and then the realtitanic would go into business
like walls jokes yeah, it's afun one I mean shout outs to the

(01:02:16):
two biggest ones that are onthe face of the earth Roswell,
New Mexico, JFK.
Yeah, jfk is a good one.
I like that one a lot.
Grassy Knoll, all that Honestly, I've heard a lot of
interesting ones about AbrahamLincoln too.
Oh yeah.
Basically like any theory where, like the government's lying to
us and society is a construct.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
It's like a hell on earth.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
Love those.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
those are really great the one that blew my mind
was the eerie similaritiesbetween lincoln and kennedy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Those are the weird, that's the, that's gotta be the
weirdest one ever yeah, because,like, the list just doesn't end
well, one that got thrown myway was how similar jack black
looks to the actual ben benjaminfranklin and somebody came to
me with a theory that maybe jackblack is a time traveler.
He's just benjamin franklinfucking around in our timeline

(01:03:04):
that's a great one that is agreat idea.
All right, angie, do you haveanything else to say before we
go into outro?
I'm kind of catech, can youhear me?
Hello, can you hear me?
Okay, am I still here?
oh no, they got her no, angie,the men in black god, they
really got her oh no, oh oh shit.

(01:03:27):
Do we wait?
Oh oh no, this isn't good.
She's the one with, like, therecording button.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
Oh, oh we definitely have to wait then for a second.
See if she can rejoin.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
There she is, oh thank god, angie, are you okay?
Did they take your memories?
Well, we definitely have towait then.
Wait a second See if she canrejoin there she is.
Oh, thank God, angie, are youokay?

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
Did they take your?

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
memories.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
Blink once for yes, twice for no.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
Do you ever wonder if the Men in Black will come for
us for our podcast?

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
You don't think so.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
Absolutely not.
Not a chance at all.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
We don't have enough people listening to it, huh.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
Not even that we can get more popular than Joe Rogan.
They're not going to come forus.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Because we're too fucky.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Oh, oh, oh.
All right, I'm going to textAngie.
What do I do?
Angela, angela, I always callher Angie, but every now and
then I'll toss an Angela inthere.
She loves it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
I got to work on my Tony Danza impression.
I just hit her with it one time.
Angela, angela, angela, it'slike my Stallone, but more sad.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
She said she's trying to get back in, no worries,
they locked her out.
I'm telling you.
That's another thing too.
I find the more you starttalking about things like this,
the more tech issues and weirdthings start happening.
You know what I mean there'ssome weird stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
That it's there's.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
There's some weird stuff I'm gonna tell you
something, but only because thisis getting cut from the
recording and it's only you andI here.
But I have remembered a lot ofwhat I'm supposed to forget and
I know shit Shit's fucky outhere.
Shit is fucky, shit's fucky man, angie, is it really?

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
you, Baby jump.
You got your temp for that,didn't you?

Speaker 4 (01:05:14):
I jumped so hard I still don't know what to do
because I can't stop therecording Like my.
My computer just completelyfucked off Like thing.
I have no internet and I won'teven, it won't even pick up my
hotspot.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Maybe when we go to leave it will be okay, but if
not, I have all of this writtendown.
We can either scrap this or wecan just record it again some
other time.
But it's not the end of theworld.

Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
I really just don't understand why it's not even
picking up my it's the fuckingMen in Black.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Angie, listen, the more you know, the more you know
, and I said before, I'm noscientist.
I can't even lie to you and saythat I'm a rational person
driven by facts and logics.
Do I subscribe to all of thesetheories that I presented today?

(01:06:10):
No, I think there's a lot tothis world that can't be
explained and, in my personalopinion, if we don't ask these
questions, then we're not goingto figure out what the truth
really is.
If you learn anything from me,learn this Don't believe
everything you see, Don't listento everything you hear.
And when the world gets quiet,and still, why don't you go
ahead and give the moon a littlewink for me?

(01:06:30):
Tell her I sent you.
If you encounter a 32 foothorse with glowing red eyes,
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(01:06:51):
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(01:07:55):
Every single episode is hoursof work and we love them so much
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It keeps us going and, althoughwe would still make this
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Whether you watch this one ornot, it doesn't matter, it's

(01:08:15):
happening.
Lean in um, that's all I have,guys.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
Bye is this a number one fan?
No, this is patrick no, this ispatrick patar.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Oh, I'm so excited to see if this is actually
recorded.

Speaker 4 (01:08:40):
Oh, God, I don't know .
I think I'm going to just readthe article.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Oh no, they put her in a.
Well, can I hear you?
She's getting abducted rightnow.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
Remember when they pull out the probe, you're going
to jump a little at first, butjust take a deep breath and hold
it for three seconds.
Always exhale on re-entry.
Your rectum will thank me.

Speaker 4 (01:09:01):
Oh no, that's the only way I can get in here.
I have to go to the gate.
I'm like that.
I.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
I'm sorry.
I'm going to be honest.
I didn't understand a fuckingword.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
You just said.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
You sound like like you know what you sound like.
You were the captain from aplane trying to tell us what the
weather was like in Denverright before we land, but your
face was in a fucking pillow bye, bye, say bye Kyle oh bye Kyle.
Oh bye Kyle.