June 25, 2025 • 58 mins
Garden wisdom, friendship, and life's little surprises bloom in this delightful conversation between Dom L'Amour and his dear friend Mattie Jo "MJ" Graham. What begins with a quirky gardening tip about lime pellets for award-winning eggplants quickly blossoms into a wide-ranging exploration of how we connect to our food, our heritage, and each other.
MJ, once known as "Big Booty Judy" during her Buffalo Wild Wings days, has transformed into "Gardening Judy" with an elaborate front yard garden that's become the talk of Cape Girardeau, Missouri. Her raised beds, archways, and chicken coop represent more than just a hobby—they're a reclamation of heritage and a statement about sustainable living. Meanwhile, Dom shares how continuing his grandmother's garden after her passing became both a tribute and a personal revolution in how he thinks about food.
The pair trade gardening hacks and mishaps with equal enthusiasm—from MJ's ingenious in-garden vermicomposting system to hilariously failed attempts at deterring wildlife with various types of urine (yes, really). Their conversation reveals how gardening creates unexpected connections: between chickens and Japanese beetles, between seasonal growing and superior flavor, between past generations and present moments. When MJ confesses to crocheting a special gift inspired by Dom's wedding song, we witness how the seeds of friendship continue to flourish even as their lives take different paths.
Beyond the soil and seeds, this episode digs into deeper questions about modern convenience versus meaningful effort. Why does a sun-warmed tomato taste so much better than store-bought? What happens when we slow down to mill our own flour or make pasta by hand? Why are we so quick to accept convenience over quality? As Dom and MJ riff on everything from whale vomit in cologne to yoga benefits, their genuine affection and comfortable banter remind us that the best relationships, like the best gardens, thrive with a mixture of care, laughter, and occasional surprises.
Ready to plant some new ideas in your life? Hit subscribe and join the conversation about how reconnecting with our food might just help us reconnect with ourselves and each other.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm guessing it's really important.
If probably you're doing yourgarden in ground, maybe, I don't
know Changes the pH of the soilto something a little more
friendly.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Yeah, that's what it sounds like.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
It's only for his eggplants, his award-winning
eggplants.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Well, that's the only thing he said.
He entered in the fair.
He didn't talk about his othervegetables.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
I hope you know that, no matter where this
conversation goes, I'm going tokeep the entrance just like this
.
This is how it's going to start, just so people can hear a
little bit of how you and Iconversate these days.
We used to be cool, we used tobe so cool.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
When I worked at Buffalo they called me Big Booty
Judy, and now I'm GardeningJudy.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Ladies and gentlemen, and anyone else who is here, my
name is Dom LaMoure and you arelistening to the Black man
Talking Emotions podcast.
On today's episode, I speakwith my ride or die.
Maddie Jo, aka MJ Graham, aboutlife in a small town of Cape
Girardeau, Missouri.
Gardening, baking and so muchmore.
Have the interest of a gardenis the constant exercise of the
(01:45):
imagination.
You are always living three, orindeed six months hence.
To be content with the presentand not striving about the
future is fatal.
Just all I ask is not to eatwhile we talk does somebody do
(02:09):
that?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
my grandfather ate a whole plate of chicken wings
during our podcast grandfatherate a whole plate of chicken
wings I like that about himactually, if I'm gonna be honest
with you, absolute truestatement before we do anything
too serious.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
I kind of wanted to play a game, since pretty much
everything you said was aboutgardening and about home stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
And being old.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yeah, and being old, I found the jeopardy.
That is just about gardening.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Not probably.
I don't do it right probablywe're going to see how bad we
are at this.
How bad we do.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
And if we do bad after five questions, we'll just
stop.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Did I tell you what the old man told me?
I feel like I have to sharethis gardening tip.
It was an old man.
He said his eggplant wins firstplace at the Altenburg Fair
every year.
Altenburg, so you know.
He said lime it.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Hold up like put lime juice on it.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
No, Google garden lime pellets.
That's his secret.
He learned it from the Germans.
They brought it over fromGermany when they settled in
Altenburg.
He puts that in his gardenevery year.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Fast acting lime.
What is this?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
It's actually, it's a garden compound, it's lime, I
don't know, man, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I'm asking Gemini, all right, it's created with
limestone rock.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
That makes sense.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
It's crushed into a powder Okay, so it's powdered
limestone.
Yeah, he told me get pelletizedlime, yeah, yeah, yeah, so it's
pellets of limestone, I wonder.
All right, so it adds pH ofacid, okay, okay.
And then it's alkaline, andokay.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Easier to apply.
I'm guessing it's reallyimportant.
If, probably, you're doing yourgarden in ground, maybe, I
don't know Changes the pH of thesoil to something a little more
friendly yeah, that's what itsounds like and it's for that
it's only for his eggplants, hisaward-winning eggplants, that's
what well, that's the onlything he said.
He entered in the fair.
(04:17):
Uh, he didn't talked about hisother vegetables.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
So I hope you know that, no matter where this
conversation goes, I'm going tokeep the entrance just like this
.
This is how it's going to start, just so people can hear a
little bit of how you and Iconversate these days.
We used to be cool, we used tobe so cool.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
When I worked at Buffalo.
They called me big booty Judywhen.
I worked at.
Buffalo.
They called me Big Booty Judy,and now I'm Gardening.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Judy, I did not know.
They used to call you Big BootyJudy.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
It was on my jersey.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
It was on your jersey too.
It wasn't just like a nickname,it was like you were certified.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Certified Big Booty Judy.
Like to the point where when Istarted at Best Buy, some of the
warehouse guys used to come toBuffalo, you know, on Friday
nights after inventory.
When I started there, severalof them thought my name was
actually Judy and they're likelooking at the schedule and
(05:26):
they're like who the hell isMaddie Jo?
And I said I am what, judy?
And I'm like, well, do you seea Judy on that schedule?
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Alright, alright, alright, alright.
This is how we're gonna do this, that's certifiable.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
You can ask Jessica Blankenship.
Just ask her what did they callMJ at Buffalo buffalo?
Speaker 3 (05:46):
and she will say oh, big booty, judy that just cracks
me up because you know we grewup calling girls big booty judy,
usually like because that wassomething from a movie that I
grew up watching.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
It just so well down, here's what I need you to think
about.
I worked with a lot ofbeautiful black men.
Yeah, at buffalo.
I'm pretty sure none of thewhite folk came up with that.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Oh my God, that's incredible.
All right, so today'sconversation is going to be very
lax, Nothing too crazy.
Something I only think I reallytalk about too much on the pod
is my grandmother died.
She had a garden at the houseand I grew up my little brother,
John, literally grew up helpingmy grandma pick weeds in the
(06:30):
garden.
She would always say, if yousee this little green, pick it.
And that was his little thinghe did when he was a toddler.
That kept him outside andrunning around and all of us
somewhat helped.
And when she died no one elsegardened in the family.
Everyone else was lazy, didn'tcare.
I was like I'm going to do it,and then I did it and everyone
was trying to eat my tomatoesand eat my greens.
(06:50):
I was just like this isinfuriating.
No love, no one wants to help,but everybody wants to enjoy the
work that I put in.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I picked a big old basket of greens you want to
hear the saddest thing and Iwent outside and I threw it on
the ground for the chickens.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
All the greens.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
A bunch of them.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Why.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
That's why I planted them.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Oh, that's the thing, though.
You're supposed to do certainthings for the land too.
You're not just supposed totake it all.
You're supposed to save somefor the animals.
You're supposed to put this Iget that.
I'm not upset about it.
That's what it's all about.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
But also come on, dude.
Was it mustard greens, turnipgreens or collard greens?
Well, I've got collard greens.
I got kale out there that Itake.
I don't like kale, I onlyplanted it for the chickens,
really.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Yeah, I had the seeds .
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I have a two-year limit with seeds myself.
At the, the two year mark.
I'm planting it, whether I eatit or not.
Yeah that makes sense.
Somebody's going to eat it, butall right.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
So do you find putting different types of seeds
in the ground helps you kind ofget better with planting other
stuff?
You're like, oh, I had a goodtrick that I did with this that
might work with this.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, absolutely this , yeah, absolutely.
There's so many things that Idon't think about trying until
you do it, or you don't thinkthat you could grow until you do
it.
Some stuff seems really hardand it just it's not.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
I get that.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Now your brassicas.
Yeah, those are hard, andyou're going to fight the
cabbage moths every year.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Or the beetles that get on the green beans.
Japanese beetles it's likewe're murdering so many bugs
every year because of that.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
You want to hear another crazy thing?
I do.
I love Japanese beetles, andhere's why.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Why.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
There's these trap bags that you can set up and
they fly right in.
And you know what I get to dowith those trap bags.
Then I dump them out over a tubof water and the chickens eat
them.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Oh, that's nice and they like them.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah, not only do they like them, but that's some
of the best stuff.
They don't get that kind offoraging in a run like mine, so
I just take the bugs back tothem.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
I'm about to say we don't have any chickens to throw
bugs at.
That'd be pretty solid.
Yeah, that's solid.
Oh, and those eggs you gave uswas so good when we got back
from Italy.
I've been making homemade pastaand stuff and having fresh eggs
for pasta is ideal.
It makes me consider I don'tthink I could ever do the
lifestyle of having chickens atthe house, but it makes me
(09:24):
consider it every time.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Well, honestly, having roosters would be a
problem maybe.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
But chickens, the chickens are easy.
I mean, they'll eat a lot ofyour scraps.
They'll eat your garden pests.
Like I said, I'm going to puttraps up front near my garden,
catch the bugs, take them backto the back and feed them to my
chickens.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
It's just like this beautiful little like
relationship in the garden and Ithink the more you see that and
like take advantage of thosethings, the better off your
garden is.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I love this.
I love that this is where we'vebecome.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Did I tell you about the weird thing that I did?
Speaker 3 (10:00):
What.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Weird garden thing.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Why are you doing the eyebrows dude?
Speaker 1 (10:05):
It's because it's good.
It's really good, and I thinkyou're going to say, yes, that's
weird, but yes, that's a reallygreat idea.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Yeah so.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I went and got terracotta pots, pretty good
size ones, with the like plateright that comes with it.
Drilled holes in it aftersoaking it for over 24 hours.
Drilled holes all over it witha bit like a masonry bit, yeah,
and then I buried it, okay, andthen I basically everything that
you would do to like compoststick it in there like your
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browns your your paper, yourleaves your a little bit of your
dirt and then your food scrapsand it becomes like an in garden
bed worm.
Verma posting is what it'scalled so you okay.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
So instead of just composting like in the normal
compost, because we got like alittle one that you spin around
you just put it in the actualplot well, yeah, because I have
raised beds yeah I don't have alot of space to do a spinning
one.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
I thought about it and I got this idea to do them
in each of the beds.
The other reason I wanted toactually do it this way and do
Verma posting because it's alsolike worm farming essentially is
what you're doing Because BJhas been fishing a lot.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
So he can literally just go to the place where they
actually are being housed andlike, take them, and then they
also make the beautiful wormcastings.
And that's already right in mygarden beds, but you know I have
raised beds so it's not inground.
That's why I chose to do thelike an in bed firma posting
thing to make sure I got wormsinto the upper part.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
I'll be interested because, like I said, we do the
community garden.
It wouldn't be convenient to dolike kind of like that.
That would be something at thehouse.
That'd be more convenientbecause the compost is really
easy.
I just take everything outevery other day or whenever we
need it and roll it, and then,when it's time to use, we just,
you know, throw it in awheelbarrow and use it around
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the gardens in the house insteadof taking it to the community
garden.
So most of the stuff at home.
We don't really do too manyvegetables at home.
We got a couple of pots oftomatoes this year, but usually
we don't do that.
We usually have all thevegetables at the community
garden and then we put the stuffin the ground and I cross my
fingers every year that we'llget some volunteer plants.
(12:25):
But we never get volunteerplants.
I don't feel like unless Adrianhas seen something I haven't
but I don't feel like we getanything from our compost that
just is good for the soil.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I had some stuff reseed itself.
I guess it's not really avolunteer plant but surprisingly
enough my cilantro reseeded,which is just a terrible pain in
the ass to get cilantro tostart.
At least in my experience I'venever been able to actually
start cilantro, but I bought oneone year and I guess when it
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seeded it receded itself and thenext spring it came up.
I hope it does it again thisyear.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Yeah, hopefully, because the first time we did it
it went crazy.
We had a great cilantro yearand then the next year I feel
like it didn't do anything.
It's kind of on and off.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
You know what Cilantro is one of those things
that you said something earlierabout trying stuff you hadn't
before.
Cilantro is one of those thingsthat it is so hard to grow.
Yeah, at least to start it,especially for new ones.
Another one celery.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Celery, yeah, I would .
I'll be interested in how thatprocess is.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I never, we never tried that I have celery outside
, you have to start it early in,like in your actual garden bed.
It has to be started early.
That's what I've noticed.
Last year I didn't get up tostore size.
The sun got really hard on it,but it's been so rainy.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
I mean I'm sure that it's just going to be another
year, because our potatoes andour onions, oh my God, this year
our onions came out and theylook like store-bought onions
this year.
But it just took a year of theground getting used to it, I
guess, and us covering it upwith the proper amount of leaves
over the winter.
And of course, the big thingthat's different between you and
(14:11):
I is that I get the Georgiaweather and you get the Missouri
weather, so it's crazier upthere.
I don't know how you do it Downhere.
We could do so much planting inthe winter.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Well, when you came in April, you said it's so bare.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Yeah, it's crazy in Missouri.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I had to get a little defensive.
Like I, still have a frostpossible.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
I understand Like now .
I mean, we pretty much do stuffthroughout the year.
You know we get.
We were getting collard, greensand broccoli in January.
You know what I'm saying.
It's crazy how year round wereally can do it.
And Adrienne is so organized,has her plot mapped out through
each year and we can go back andlook on certain day Like when
do we plant this, when do we dothis?
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Okay, well, let's try to do ita little earlier or a little
later this year.
It's really really the greatestthing ever to be able to get
different stuff throughout theyear.
We get the sweet potatoes atone point, then we get the
garlic and then we get the restof the greens.
Now we're starting to gettomatoes and we just put okra in
the ground.
So okra's coming soon.
And you know I enjoy that,because when I was doing it back
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in Missouri, like I said, itwas really spring, summer and
I'm getting that stuff up infall all the time I barely got
anything after that.
It's way different.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
You really have to take advantage of the cold
spring and the cold fall to getsome of the stuff that I think
is a lot easier for you to grow,like brassicas, collards those
are so much easier for you togrow through a much longer
period, even, yeah, but like canyou grow tomatoes all the way
(15:49):
through november.
I don't know if my plant wasjust like I want to.
I want to do it like I really Igot in november last year yeah,
yeah, but then again I had I'vezero tomatoes.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
It's kind of up and down, Some days yes, Some days
no.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, my basil looks beautiful, but that always
happens.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Yeah, we got some basil about to start.
We got a whole bunch of stuffcoming.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Has your basil bolted yet?
Speaker 3 (16:13):
I'm not sure.
I have to double check.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
That's when your flavor changes.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
It gets really, really spicy.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
I have to double check because I haven't been to
the community.
But the thing is, we would makea vinegar with our basil too,
so the spicier will be nice forthe vinegar actually.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
It might give it a little bit of a bite.
Yeah, a little bit, but it's notso good for like a pesto, which
is what I love.
My favorite thing to do is makeas much pesto as possible,
because you know how basilplants are they get crazy.
If it rains enough, you'll haveto take so much plant and and
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do something with it.
I hate to throw things away, soI like to make the pesto cubes
and freeze them, and that thathas been the easiest, nicest
dinner to have, cause it's soeasy.
You just unfreeze a cube, butthen it's still like hey, that's
our garden stuff.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
It makes everything so easy to you know, even like
we went on vacation and I had abunch of lemons.
So we, we freeze the lemonjuice and I just, I just love
having that kind of stuff in thefreezer year round that you
could just throw into the dishand it's real easy.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
And I love it when it's stuff that you grew.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Yeah, adrian does that with the gazpacho.
Every year we make a gazpachoout of the tomatoes and
cucumbers and we have thatthroughout the year and it's
just frozen here in the basement.
When we did pumpkins, we tookthe pumpkin stuff out, put it in
the freezer and I was able touse anything.
You can make a pumpkin pielater on in a year, because you
got all the ingredients frozenand ready to go and that's kind
of.
I'm about to start doing thatwith pasta too, I think
personally.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
You can freeze pasta instead of having to let it dry.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Yes, and making it fresh is just so different than
buying it.
I didn't realize I was going tofall in love with fresh pasta
as fast as I did.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Next thing you know, you're going to be buying Durham
berries and milling your ownflour.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
I would love that.
I feel like every time you talkabout how you milled your flour
and this, and that it justsounds healthier, it sounds
cleaner, you know exactly whereit's coming from.
You don't know, you didn't addanything extra into it, you just
did it the way you want to, andI feel like that's kind of
where I'm leaning towards moreand more with the garden, not
only did you not add anythingextra, but it somehow magically
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has way more nutrients than thestuff in the store with
preservatives.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Also another little cool hack about milling your own
flour and stuff is wheatberries can last forever Not
ever, that's not true, but areally, really, really long time
.
Whereas flour is bad.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
I only mill when I need it.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Yeah, what you need.
That's nice.
Maddie, joan and I have knowneach other for a while.
I used to work a lot of placesand one summer I just so
happened to get three jobs oneat New York and company I was
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working at the box office at theriver campus in Cape Girardeau.
And then also I got a seasonaljob at American Eagle at the
mall, and also MJ had a seasonaljob at American Eagle and we
were working there and westarted talking one day and
we're like hold up, who do youknow?
And out of nowhere she's namingall of my best friends, I'm
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naming people that she is reallyclose with, and we're like, oh
wait, how do we not know eachother?
It made no sense.
And then from that moment on wejust became the best of friends
and I actually after I I wasthe intern box office manager of
the Show Me Center in CapeGirardeau and she was like my
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number one hire.
I hired MJ.
She just lost the job at thepoint.
She needed something and I waslike I got something that's
steady and you don't have toworry about anything.
I got you and we got reallyclose in those months working at
the Show Me Center and it'sjust us hanging out at the box
office selling tickets to, youknow, monster truck rallies and
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WWE and gun and knife shows Allof the madness that they had at
Southeast and I just really lovetime with MJ.
I'm comfortable.
I feel like we always look outfor each other.
We believe in each other.
It's always fun to have someonelike her in my corner and I'm
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very fortunate you listen to theshow.
I have a lot of people that I'mvery close with that I like to
share this space with, and I'vewanted to get her on for a while
.
So it was fun to have her hereand it went exactly the way I
thought it would.
Us talking very crazy aboutgardens and all of the stuff
that we do around our houses,and we gossip to each other like
(20:59):
two old women watching thePrice is Right every day.
So I enjoy this conversation alot.
I hope you enjoy or at leastget something out of it.
That's fun.
I know it's pretty chaotic attimes, but we just love to hang
out and catch up and talk andbounce ideas off of each other.
But much love to MJ and let'sget back to the show.
We're going to do a question inbetween, Okay good, because
(21:24):
otherwise I can.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
we'll just be chatty, chatty I know we will.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I know we will, all right, so Jeopardy, of course.
You know the game.
We're going to start withgarden foods for 100.
And we're just both going toanswer this, and whoever gets
whatever gets negative orwhatever.
So it's a root vegetable eatingthroughout the world that are
(21:47):
round, in range from white tored potato.
They also.
They are also.
They are often cut up and putinto salads oh shit, that's not
it, that's a radish I wasthinking radish or carrot.
Which one you take, you choosewhich one.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
I'll go with the other well, it's definitely not
potato, I don't put potato in asalad, unless you'll be talking
about a potato salad, actually,no, I do put a potato in a salad
.
I am German.
Yeah, I think probably it'sradish.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
All right, now I'm going to go with carrot.
Here we go.
Let's see what it is Radish.
I knew it was a radish.
I should have gone with you,but you get the points.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yeah, that makes sense to me.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
You get the points.
When did you actually start?
Did you do any gardening whenyou were younger, or were you
like this is just something yousaw?
You were like, okay, let me seeif I could do it now, Because
that was the same with me.
I grew up with it, but I didn'tdo it until I was an adult.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I think my parents had a garden when I was very,
very, very little, but neitherof them were like gardeners, and
I didn't really enjoy it withthem.
My aunt had a rose garden,though, and she was very
particular about it.
It was like her pride and joy,but like something that I still
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do today, and you've probablyseen me do it.
Actually, when I've given yougarden tours that I get from my
aunt is when she would go out toher garden.
The first thing she would do isshe had a mint patch right next
to her rose garden.
She'd go over, she'd grab somemint, chew it up and walk around
her garden, and, I kid you not,I do the same.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
That's nice.
I got it from her.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
And I do it likely because of her.
Other than that, no, I didn'treally have a whole lot of
especially vegetable gardeningin my life, though I grew up in
a farm community.
Now it kind of stemmed fromplants.
I got really into house plantswhen I was working at the plant
shop and stuff.
I don't know why I startedgrowing my own food, though.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Did we tell you about the organic winery we went to
in Italy?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
No, but I like everything you've just said.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
So we went around and they had everything.
They had hazelnut trees, theyhad chestnuts, they had olive
grove, they had anything you canimagine they had.
But one of the tricks that theydid that, I think, was really,
really something I was like thisis pretty dope, I'm going to
make sure I tell everyone is ontheir grape trees.
It was either their grape treesor their olive trees.
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At the very front they alwayshad roses and specifically they
did that because they knew thatwhatever was going to get to the
plant would go through theroses first.
So when they would see theroses are being attacked, they
would act and eliminate whateverit is before it got to the rest
of them.
It's like an attractive beam,it's like sugar and water for a
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fly, it's like oh, let me go tothat.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Canary in a coal mine right.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it was.
They really was like.
We've been doing this since westarted years ago and we never
changed it.
That's the traditional way wedo it and it's always been the
most convenient way to spot whensomething about to cook crazy.
I was blown away that this bigwinery actually followed
something so simple still.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Most of those traditional ways.
They came about because theyhad to protect their craft and
they don't have the pest controlwith all the chemicals that we
have today.
The kind of easy way out is theway I see it.
I mean it's a lot harder tofight things naturally.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
But the payoff is-.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Is amazing.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Oh my God, it is Once you start doing all the
multiple things that it reallytakes to prevent pests or
whatever in your garden.
What you've just done is builta stronger garden because you've
had to plant an X crop to be atrap crop or Y crop to gives off
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a smell that prevents anotherbug from coming by.
I don't know.
It's as simple as putting a cupof beer in your garden to get
rid of slugs.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Yeah, or putting hay down so that your watermelon
won't mold on the bottom, littleshit like that.
Yeah, I feel like and the crazything is now it's like I met
the perfect woman, adrienne's,the love of my life, but she
kind of handles most of thegarden, so I don't garden like I
used to.
I've gotten a little lazy.
I should get back out there anddo more stuff.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
She sciences, it doesn't she?
She's like me about it.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
She's so good, but it's like I do enjoy.
I used to go out my grandma'sbig thing.
The thing she would do everytime she would go out to the
garden is she would sing to theplants.
She would always tell me,dominique, sing to the plants,
they'll grow better because theycan hear you.
And she was very particularabout their living, just like us
kind of thing.
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And Adrienne introduced me tothe book Braiding Sweetgrass and
that was kind of the same thingwith them.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
They're like it's a living thing.
That's funny that there's amovie I think it's the Widow
Clicquot which is she's a famouschampagne mistress, madam,
whatever, anyway, but that's howher husband started and he was
teaching her.
He said you have to sing to thevines.
I don't sing to my plants, butI talk to them If you talk to
them, that's the same thing.
That's the same thing, Girlyou're looking good.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Oh my God, I feel like people who are listening
have no idea what's going onright now.
But oh my God, I feel likepeople who are listening have no
idea what's going on right now.
But with MJ's garden, it's herentire front yard.
It's not like some big plot.
It's like her whole front yardhas been converted into this
incredible landscape of a gardenRaised beds it's the talk of
the town Raised beds andarchways and big pots everywhere
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.
It's incredible.
I think it's fantastic.
And then the chickens are inthe backyard.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I put up a bamboo tee .
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
And actually there's another trellis that I put up
since you've last seen it, butit's not completely done.
My neighbors hate me.
Neither love me or they hate me.
There's the old lady next doorwho's like you know.
She's upset that it's not likea perfectly manicured yard.
And then there's the ladiesfrom the hospital who walk by
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every day and stop and ask mequestions and check and see if
the deer had gotten my tomatoplants again this year.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
They did.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
You're right next to the hospital so I can only
imagine, especially like somenurses.
We used to have nurses comedown to Buckner's when I bartend
in Cape.
They were always trying to getout of that place.
They were so stressed out.
So I can imagine them beingright there and like walk in the
corner, just going a block awayto get away from the hospital
and your garden, being theirhappy thing, regular walking
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route, yeah, and I'm on it likeI have a.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
I have a really good walking neighborhood and that's.
That was really a fun part ofbeing out in my garden.
At first it wasn't so funbecause I didn't know people,
but, um, after a while peoplewould just be walking by and
like, oh, it looks good.
Or you know, they'd ask me if Igot got got by the deers I did.
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Or when I had gourds growing.
That's always people alwayshave to stop and ask about those
.
I don't think I'm gonna haveany this year.
It never germinated and I don'twant to talk about it.
I'll cry, okay.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Let's get back to the game Garden food for 300.
This leafy green can also bepurple.
You might enjoy it baked as achip.
That is kale.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
That is kale.
I don't enjoy it baked as achip.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Yeah, that's kale.
That was an easy one For 300.
It baked as a chip.
Yeah, that's kale.
That was an easy one For $300,.
How's that weight Radish?
I'm mad I didn't just sayradish with you.
I am interested more in themeal.
Where did you get the idea ofdoing the flour meal?
Because the more you talk to meabout it, the more you try to
convince me to get flour and doit at home.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I was baking all of our bread.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I started in January I guess.
For Christmas I was given adehydrated sourdough starter
Basically all the tools to makesourdough, and so I kind of went
down that path for quite awhile but it kind of got really
expensive.
Yeah, flour, like not for avery big bag, it was getting
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pretty expensive.
And I was just doing somereading and kind of got worried
about the tariff situation, yeah, and I was like, well, I can
store wheat for a really longtime and also a little bit what
you were talking about earlier.
I really wanted to make my ownpasta and freeze it.
Somebody I follow on TikTok.
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She makes her own pasta andthen, instead of having it out
on drying racks, like you would,because she doesn't have the
space, she freezes it.
And I was like, well, heck, Icould do that.
I don't have kitchen spaceeither.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
My husband liked the sourdough so much I thought
whole wheat sourdough, that'seven better to be able to do it
whenever and not even worryabout it Just randomly like, hey
, you want some pasta tonight?
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Great Cacio e pepe.
But they talk about howdifficult it is to make and I'm
like how can it be difficult?
It is literally pasta, cheese,water and pepper.
There's no way it's hard tomake and I made it for the first
time.
Well, actually, going back whenyou're in Rome and you eat it,
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you realize, oh, the pasta theyuse is always freshly made.
They never use store-bought.
It's always freshly made andit's specific cheese and there's
a way that they get the aromaout of the pepper and stuff like
that.
So I'm like I got to learn theways of the Romans, I got to
learn.
I got to learn, I got to get itright.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
So I have a hot take on pasta.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Okay.
So in general, if I say I'mgoing to feed you butter noodles
tonight, you're going to saywhat kind of five-year-old
palate do you have?
But then if said, wait, I'mgonna make the pasta, you're
saying you have my attentionyeah, I didn't change the
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ingredients no but I took outall of the crap and I really
think that, like there arereally simple and wonderful
pasta dishes Super simple, threeingredients.
Pesto is like no ingredients.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
It's good ingredients , though it's not pesto in a
plastic jar from Schnucks that'sgot preservatives in it.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
That's not what it is .
It's fresh basil from thegarden with good virgin olive
oil, actually with pine nuts,yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
And.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Parmesan Reggiano, not green craft Parmesan.
That's not what we're talkingabout here, and just those
number of changes.
You can still use dried pastaand have a better experience
than if you were to.
You know it's simple changes,but like we think that our time
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is so much more valuable that weforgot what tastes good.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
And I think we just settle for stuff that we don't
really need to settle for.
Like there's certain places youcan go and they're like, oh, we
don't have this stuff, we don'thave these vegetables or fruit
because it's out of season, andpeople just are okay with it.
They're like, oh, we don't havethis stuff, we don't have these
vegetables or fruit becauseit's out of season, and people
just are okay with it.
They're like, great, it's outof season, I'm eating what's in
season.
But there are certain places,like Atlanta or big cities,
where it's like you can getstuff that's coming year round
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and it's like, oh, why does thisorange not taste that well?
And it's like, well, it's notreally in season right now.
That's why it doesn't tastegood.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
That's a bigger problem in America as a whole
actually.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Yes, it is, it is I agree.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
If we can order it, we should have it.
Exactly In season or not, we donot understand the concept of
waiting for things like a seasonfor something to grow and I
think gardening gives you thatlike, think about it, like
there's patients every time,like when you give away a squash
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that you grew, that person justthinks you're giving them a
squash.
They don't realize that youplanted the seed and you watered
it every day.
If you don't have an irrigationsystem, I don't.
You fertilized it.
You fought the squash borerswith your two hands and one.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Beat them.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
All to just grow one fruit that you gave away.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Or vegetable that you gave away, and they think I
could buy it for 50 cents.
You sure freaking could.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Yeah, but also no.
You couldn't.
Tomatoes taste 20 timesdifferent grown fresh or from
farmer's markets than they dowhen you get them from the
grocery store.
I never thought was real.
I was like there's no way.
And then you start eating freshtomatoes and you're like, wait,
it does taste better.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
They taste even more different if you go outside.
This is most especially if you.
I like to do this test oncherry tomatoes because they're
the nicest to pop in your mouths.
Yeah, a hot cherry tomato inthe sun hot, the flavor is
different yeah versus one.
Even if your own garden, youpick it and bring it outside and
it comes down to temperature,it's different a warm in the sun
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, one that that sun, it's extra,extra vitamins, I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
So good that sounds.
It sounds scientificallycorrect.
That's how good it sounds.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I know I thought about that.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Sounds like we really know what we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
But like it does taste better.
I don't know why, but I amcertainly their science.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
And it was like I said.
I grew up with it and when Iwas younger, of course my
grandma would have all thisstuff and I didn't even eat the
vegetables then because I waslike this is gross.
You know, I followed in thesteps of my other family members
.
A lot of my family members justdidn't like vegetables and
stuff and they still don't eattheir vegetables.
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They just want some chicken andthey just want some French
fries and they're done.
But my grandmother was diabeticand she was real specific about
her diet.
So by the time before shepassed away, the one thing that
she always splurged on she was abig fan of French dressing.
So she'll do a really cleansalad, but it's going to be
french dressing on it, you know.
But other than that, it wasalways fresh ingredients.
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It was always stuff in thehouse that we could have and we
just avoided it and she passedaway.
Years went by, no one was doingthe garden and I dated my
ex-girlfriend in college.
Nicole and her family did allfresh gardening.
I was like damn this is this isway better than I used to do
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this, because grandma isn'tmaking it anymore, so it's like,
okay, I think I should put someeffort into this and make it
happen, and it really has beensomething.
That is, you can't really goback to the way it was before or
after you start doing it, Ifeel like you can get lazier and
just not want to garden anymore, but you're still going to
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search out hey, farmer's market,let's go get the tomatoes from
here instead of the grocerystore.
It's always going to besomething that you go for.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
I feel the same way about bread too.
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Especially since I startedmaking sourdough, I mean you saw
some of my early loaves in someof those pictures.
No-transcript.
Yeah, I'm really a bigsourdough fan now I always used
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to think I didn't like sourdoughand I think I don't like
store-bought sourdough.
It's dry.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Store-bought.
Would you get something fromthe bakery at the store, or no?
No, no.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Not usually.
No, we were sandwich bag kids.
What else were?
We going to wrap our socks into go out in the snow Indeed.
We put socks sandwich bag, snowboots, everybody knows it, dom.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
That old Appleton lifestyle was real.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
My feet didn't get wet, did yours.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
Mine got wet.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Mine got wet because I was a city kid who didn't
think.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Poor kids, poor kids from the trailer park right here
, we know how to stay dry allright garden terms for 100.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
A flexible tube used to carry water sprinklers or
nozzles are typically fitted tothe end.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
I would say a hose right yeah that was flexible too
, that's let's, let's see.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Yeah, why, why would they?
I guess it was a hundred.
Does that make sense?
That's stupid.
This was you know.
All right, let's, let's seewhat the hard questions are.
All right.
Types of gardens five of ahundred.
This type of garden hasvegetables for the home, but
it's planted to increase foodproduction during a war.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Victory garden.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Wow, you got it right .
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Yes, yeah, that was like during World War II that
was a big thing.
If every house planted theirown garden they could feed
themselves and the food andproduce one that was being not
produced because young men areoff at war, but that was being
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produced could be sent to feedtroops.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Where did you learn that?
Where did you get thatinformation?
Speaker 1 (39:46):
I actually learned that in school.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Okay, I was like I don't think I remember that in
school If I was taught it, Ijust don't remember it.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Also there's a kind of a trend toward victory garden
type things.
I've noticed on TikTok in thelast year or two Not necessarily
the same type of situation, buteven in COVID that was another
thing.
You saw a lot more peoplegardening and things.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
One of the things that we got into because
Adrienne's mother is also anincredible gardener and that
she's the one that kind of helpsus move along.
She has her big one.
We have three plots andAdrienne and her kind of work
together on the three plots, butthen she has one at the house
and he has a whole backyard ofstuff you would love.
You're going to come here toGeorgia at some point.
We're going to take you aroundall the wonderful gardens and
you're going to love it.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
That's what it'll be Like.
The main event will be a gardentour.
That's what I want.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
Literally that, and we'll go to the botanical
gardens because you know,adrienne and her mother are
members there, so you can go andit'll love it.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Of course, they are my friend.
Hannah is also a member andtook me to the botanical garden
because I wanted to see, Iwanted to smell Lucy.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Oh, really Well.
The one in Georgia isincredible Adrienne's mother.
She won yard of the month, soher garden is really really
impressive.
It's impressive stuff.
Adrienne and I are trying towork hard.
They don't really give out yardof the week.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
My neighbor two doors down one garden of the month.
I don't know who makes thatchoice.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
I don't think that they like my garden.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
She's a native kind of wildlife habitat gardener
though she and.
I are like real close.
I like her a lot.
She is my old lady bestie.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
I was bringing up Karen just because she has so
much going on over there and wealways have different things
coming in and out of the houseand they're like, oh, we got
this from this person and thisfrom this person and it just
makes things so easy to you know.
No, we don't have to buy onionsfor a couple of months.
We don't have to buy tomatoesfor a couple of months.
When we get okra, I usuallysmoke the okra and then freeze
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it.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Smoke it and then freeze it.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Yes, the okra, and then freeze it and smoke it, and
freeze it.
Yes, I smoke it and I chop itup.
Smoke, well, I smoke it whole,chop it up, then freeze it, and
that way, when I put it in thegumbo later in the year, it's
like smoky gumbo.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yeah, yeah so I realized that this week that
I've been sleeping on flowerslike regular flowers and you
know how I realized that yousent me that picture of or that
video of that bouquet, or Adriandid Hot dog.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Yes, jeez, louise.
Literally we was looking todaybecause she said every surface
in our house has fresh flowerson it today.
And the whole point is like shewas like this is like $50 worth
of flowers and I just plantedit and we're going to have
plenty throughout the year.
And I was like, yeah, that isvery true, that is very true.
We got six huge hydrangeas inthe yard.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
You never have to buy her flowers.
You just go outside and you cuther some.
If you buy her flowers, she cantell you it's a waste of money.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
And she told me it was a waste of money when I
would do it.
She's like don't buy me flowers.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Don't buy me no flowers, grow me some.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Yeah, but it really is a cool little thing and you
would be able to kill it with it, because you could kind of put
the flowers around the garden Igrew zinnias last year and we
had zinnias all summer long.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
I like fresh flowers too.
We are flower people also, butby the time that the vegetable
garden gets in, I'm usuallypretty spent.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
And that's really, I really need to-.
Well, you got to put them inthe ground and just let them go.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Yeah, bulbs, put them all in the ground and get
everything in there, just onlybulbs, no seeds.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
You won't have to worry about it, because then
when you start seeing them popup in this and that you'll be
like oh, I didn't think this wasgoing to come up this year, I
didn't think this, I didn'tthink that I had that kind of
luck with hostas.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
My hostas out front look beautiful.
Got some clearance sad onesfrom Aldi at the end of the
season two years ago.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
And now those suckers are out front blooming, looking
like they were planted there 10years ago and they belong.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Our hostas are literally eaten every year.
We went to Italy.
They were beautiful before weleft.
We got back, gone, completelygone.
The deer are like yo, they'regone.
They're not walking around theyard, the dog isn't out there.
Let's get to it.
And they did, and it washorrible, horrible to see.
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It was like a murder.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
They don't need to attack my hostas.
I've got all the vegetables outfront.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
That's the thing we don't have all the vegetables
for them.
I remember one year we tried togrow some snow peas up the
fence but I don't think thoseever came back and they don't
come onto our back porch becausewe had a fence.
So yeah, the hostas are theirmain thing to go for and I was
thinking maybe I'll startputting like clover out in the
yard and that'll distract themfrom the hostas.
They'll like eat the cloverinstead.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
No.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
And the flower that comes from the clover maybe Like
if I just grow a bunch of it,you don't think so.
No.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
No, because that's what you want to happen, dom,
and that's not what's going tohappen.
I could lie to you and tell youwhat you think is going to
happen is going to happen, butwe both know what the battles
with deer and squirrel reallyare like, and that is everything
that you have found on theInternet to try.
Speaker 3 (44:59):
It's not going to work.
Yeah, you're right.
You're absolutely right.
They talked about that likewolf's pee or whatever.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Coyote pee boy, do I have some?
Speaker 3 (45:08):
Yeah, coyote.
They said.
Yeah, use the pee and the peewill work.
And it doesn't work at allBecause there ain't no wolves
around here.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
My bigger fear is like is it going to attract
other predators?
Speaker 3 (45:21):
Yeah, that makes sense too.
It's like, oh okay, let me markthis territory, kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Put cayenne all over your garden and the squirrels
won't come back.
That's a lie.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
That's totally a lie.
I put oil like spicy oil,peppermint oil, camphor oil, no,
no, I put the real hot oil.
I bought it.
It has like a sizzled squirrelon the cover of it.
I'm thinking, okay, this isgonna be great.
And I used it and put it in theseeds.
And another big thing mygrandma was big on was birds.
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So I have a birdhouse in thebackyard with a birdbath and I
put the seeds in there andthat's kind of like my thing.
I do the birdhouse thing,no-transcript, eating it and
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taking it in and enjoying it.
It was like he got accustomedto that spicy food and it was
just another day.
I was like what was the point ofspending money on it?
This did nothing but just giveit a thing to get ready for.
It was ready for that hot stuff.
It's the worst.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
You want to know the weirdest thing I tried.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
What.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
I made my husband pee in a jar.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
Yeah, you tell me that.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
And I sprinkled that all around my yard.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
Didn't work.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
No, instead, I just have the memory of having a jar
of my husband's pee in my hand,which I don't really appreciate.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
This is why you can't listen to stuff you find on
Pinterest.
That's the problem.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
I was at my wit's end .
Speaker 3 (47:06):
No, but that's what happens.
I went to Japan and I waslooking at all these things on
Pinterest and I got to remindmyself I'm an African-American
gentleman going to Japan.
I'm not the basic white bitchthat made this damn post.
So when I get there and they'retalking about don't wear shorts
, it's disrespectful, don't dothis, don respectful, don't do
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this, don't be that.
And I had on pants, jeans, andit's middle of summertime and
it's hot as balls and everyone'slooking at me like, yeah, black
dude, why are you wearing allthese clothes?
And it's like, yeah, I'm theonly black dude here.
Ain't like they're going tothink, oh, he's Japanese.
Of course I'm American, Ishould wear what the hell makes
me comfortable.
Then I went to Ireland.
Same thing, looking at thesestupid Pinterest people telling
me certain things to do when Iget there and avoid this and
(47:51):
avoid that and don't do this anddon't do that.
And it's like, how about?
I'm just going to do it and seewhat happens.
And if I pee on the tree aroundmy garden and they keep coming,
okay, the pee don't work.
I tried it, but I'm not goingto listen to y'all tell me that
this works.
It's like those stupid peoplethat be putting the whales cum
(48:11):
on their face.
Like what are you doing?
What are you doing?
We live in a weird world.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
Man, you put whale vomit all over yourself on the
regular.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
Who me.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Yeah, what are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (48:26):
Are you telling me you don't wear cologne?
I?
Speaker 1 (48:28):
wear cologne Yep.
You want to know Abergrace,what kind?
Speaker 3 (48:33):
of cologne.
Does that?
Speaker 1 (48:34):
Almost every perfume, and cologne has a history of
using whale vomit.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
Google it which cologne Colognes, which cologne
Cologne, which brands?
Which brands.
While whale vomit is a term forthis, it's not actually vomit,
but rather it's whale vomit.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
Hold up.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
From whale sperm.
Sperm.
Sperm sperm no, from spermwhales.
Okay, it's rare, expensiveingredient.
Some perfumes they use itinclude.
I don't use any of those okay,most don't use it anymore.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
I just but the ones that don't use it anymore.
But the ones that don't use itanymore, they use a synthetic
alternative.
So basically they're like hey,I don't want to use the whale
vomit anymore.
Can we just make fake whalevomit?
Speaker 3 (49:36):
Okay, so Gucci does it still.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
That's what I'm talking about Luxury brands.
Speaker 3 (49:40):
Oh my God, what is this world that we live in?
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Have I ruined your life.
Speaker 3 (49:45):
No, no, no, no, no no .
Speaker 1 (49:46):
That's a big part of the.
You know, like when whalersused to go whaling in Nantucket.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
They wanted the blubber because that's a whole
heck of a lot of oil and grease,you know, for lamps and whatnot
.
They wanted the bones becauseyou know what they used those
for Corsets, the boning, andcorsets and dresses.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
that's what it is, it's whale bones how do you, how
do you even discover that whalesperm and well burnt bones is
stuff that we need on theregular?
Speaker 1 (50:17):
at the time you think of, when they probably found a
dead whale or caught a deadwhale, and at the time time
period they think, okay, whatcan we use all of this for?
Because they were moreinterested in using every little
bit.
What's making you make thatface, dom?
Speaker 3 (50:34):
One of my colognes has whale sperm in it.
Speaker 1 (50:38):
No whale vomit from sperm whales.
Speaker 3 (50:40):
Oh, okay, whale vomit from sperm whales.
Okay, notes, and why?
Why?
Speaker 1 (50:47):
Why.
Are you mad that I said youwear whale vomit and you said
which cologne, which cologne?
And you thought you were goingto prove me wrong.
And one of your colognes haswhale vomit in it.
Speaker 3 (50:59):
This sucks.
This is not cool.
Why do they do this to me?
Why do I get to play?
This is why vegans exist righthere.
Wow, my Calvin Klein has it init too, madness.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
You say this guy, this guy's in love with you.
Yes, I'm in love.
Who looks at you the way I do?
When you smile, I can tell tellknow each other very well.
How can I show you?
I'm glad I got to know you guys.
I've heard some talks.
(51:36):
They say you think I'm fine.
Really, yes, I'm in love.
Who makes you smile the way Ido?
Baby, please keep it cheap, youand me every day.
How can I show you?
I'm so glad that I got to tellyou that I need your love.
I want your love.
(51:58):
Tell me you're in love, in lovewith this guy, and not I'll
just die, hey.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
Alright, this is me performing this Guy's In Love
With you, one of my favoritetunes.
I'm doing this at Lemon InChicago on Valentine's Day.
I just love this show and lovesharing it with y'all.
Hope y'all enjoy it.
If you want to listen to any ofmy other music, you can check
me out on all streamingplatforms.
You can get all the informationyou want about me At
domlamorecom, where you can getanything and everything
(52:29):
domlamore you'll be so sweet.
Speaker 4 (52:32):
It's you and me.
Every day we go and creep tosee what we can be.
Every day I need you and youneed me.
This love, this love, this love, this love.
This guy is in so much love.
Yes, you and me, baby let's go,let's see.
Speaker 3 (52:56):
Well, folks, we made it to a part of the um podcast
where, um, we all talk aboutthings that we love, and I'm
going to start.
This is very hard to likechange and pivot.
I'm really trying to move awayfrom the whale vomit, but you
(53:17):
know what I love?
I love yoga.
I've been doing my yoga every,every day, pretty much like at
least five times a week.
I try to get it in.
I try to get it in more thanthat, but when I do the weddings
on the weekends, it takes a lotout of me.
The day after and maybe the dayof, we might be running around
too much for me to even get todo a little stretching in a full
(53:40):
thing, and I try to do at least20 minutes to 40 minutes every
day and it's been reallyrelaxing.
It's been helping me withreally relaxing.
It's been helping me with mybreathing.
It's been helping me with mysinging.
It's been helping me withgetting stronger and just
feeling better all together.
My aches are gone.
My body feels like it's beingtaken care of.
So that's what I'm loving rightnow.
(54:01):
What's something that you'reloving right now, mj?
Speaker 1 (54:03):
I am loving crochet.
Yes, so I started in march.
My sister taught me, justreclaiming a little bit of
something from the women of my,of my family, of my ancestry.
I come from a long line offiber artists yeah it's out,
women who crochet and stuff anddo all sorts of little things
(54:24):
like that oh, look at that, Ihaven't crocheted for just a
handful of months now, and rightnow I'm currently holding up
Dom's future gift.
He knows about it.
Colors.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
It looks great.
It looks great.
Speaker 1 (54:35):
Yeah, so it's.
I do it just about every night.
I like to listen to a book orsomething when I'm doing it, but
something that I've alreadyheard before or watched before
is usually best.
Speaker 2 (54:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
And I just kind of a noodle on some stuff.
So I really haven't told youthis, but I guess I'll share it
with you.
As I have found myself in thisparticular pattern for your
living room, which the colors Ipicked, of course, are like a
plum and there's a maroon andthere's an orange.
And then there's a reallybeautiful, variegated that has
(55:07):
all of those colors in it.
I kind of kept getting thesense of you know, sunshine.
And then I thought of the linefrom the song that you and
Adrian were dancing to at yourwedding you know, goodbye, Mr
Sun.
And that's just kind of thevibe I've been putting into it
as I go, so yeah, that song'sthe best.
Something I really love doing.
Speaker 3 (55:29):
You know?
Have I ever told you why wechose that song for our first
dance?
Speaker 1 (55:32):
No, but I absolutely loved it.
Speaker 3 (55:34):
It's called Sun Goes Down by Fat Knight, one of my
favorite bands.
We went to Zion National Park.
We went to all of thesenational parks, but specifically
(55:54):
when we were in Zion we pulledout the bikes and we biked
through Zion for a little bitand for some reason this song
was stuck in my head.
I couldn't get it out of myhead.
So when the sun was going downI just kept on singing goodbye
Mr Sun, see you in the morning.
It just kept happening, kepthappening, and when we were
thinking about what we weregoing to dance to, I was like,
oh, what about that song?
That's like a song that willalways be in a memory because it
was either the day before ormaybe two days before I proposed
(56:14):
.
So really really cool song.
Go check out Fat Night, greattune.
Speaker 1 (56:18):
Yeah, and if you are listening to it, think of
Crochet and Sunset Colors andDom and Adrienne dancing.
Speaker 3 (56:34):
And that's the vibe, y'all.
The way we end every episode isvery same way.
We've spoken about everythingwe want to speak about, and more
.
All I ask now is how do youfeel?
Speaker 1 (56:42):
I feel great.
I had a great chat with myfriend Dom.
I laughed a lot.
Ruined your afternoon now thatyou know I feel great.
I had a great chat with myfriend Dom.
I laughed a lot.
Ruined your afternoon now thatyou know about the whale vomit.
Speaker 3 (56:50):
Dude, I'm so upset this is going to be so annoying
because I'm going to know everytime, now, every time.
Speaker 1 (56:57):
Every time.
Yeah, I feel great.
How do you feel?
Speaker 3 (57:00):
I feel amazing.
It's been a really good chillday.
I slept in a little bit because, like I said, the wedding I did
this weekend was it wasn't thatcrazy, but I put a lot of
energy out.
I do a lot of jumping runningaround and I had a little cold
last week, so I got, you know,about an hour and a half extra
(57:24):
sleep today and did every errandI had and knocked off
everything on my to-do list andthis was one of the last things
I get to do today before I go upand eat.
So I can't complain.
It's good times talking to you.
Speaker 1 (57:37):
I think I'm going to get so pesto.
Speaker 3 (57:39):
Yeah, that sounds about right.
Sounds about right.
Well, love you, I'll talk toyou soon.
Speaker 1 (57:43):
Much love Dom talk to you soon.
Much love Dom talk to you soon.
Speaker 3 (57:53):
I want to thank you for listening to the Black man
Talking Emotions podcast.
The opening quote credit goesto Allison Morris Earl.
And shout out to Maddie Cho forbeing on the pod.
Mj does not have Instagram, soleave her alone.
Please subscribe to the podcast, share the podcast and give us
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Five stars, please, and thankyou.
You can support the show byclicking the link at the bottom
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Also, tell me your plans forthe coming year.
We should collab.
If you like this episode, youshould check out finding peace,
a previous episode.
I speak, speak with JosephEvans about theater, family,
mental health and so much more,so go check that out.
Follow me at D-O-M underscoreL-A-M-O-U-R on Instagram or at
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DomLamorecom.
I'm Dom Lamore, much love.
I'm guessing it's really important.
If probably you're doing yourgarden in ground, maybe, I don't
know Changes the pH of the soilto something a little more
friendly.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Yeah, that's what it sounds like.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
It's only for his eggplants, his award-winning
eggplants.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Well, that's the only thing he said.
He entered in the fair.
He didn't talk about his othervegetables.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
I hope you know that, no matter where this
conversation goes, I'm going tokeep the entrance just like this
.
This is how it's going to start, just so people can hear a
little bit of how you and Iconversate these days.
We used to be cool, we used tobe so cool.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
When I worked at Buffalo they called me Big Booty
Judy, and now I'm GardeningJudy.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Ladies and gentlemen, and anyone else who is here, my
name is Dom LaMoure and you arelistening to the Black man
Talking Emotions podcast.
On today's episode, I speakwith my ride or die.
Maddie Jo, aka MJ Graham, aboutlife in a small town of Cape
Girardeau, Missouri.
Gardening, baking and so muchmore.
Have the interest of a gardenis the constant exercise of the
(01:45):
imagination.
You are always living three, orindeed six months hence.
To be content with the presentand not striving about the
future is fatal.
Just all I ask is not to eatwhile we talk does somebody do
(02:09):
that?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
my grandfather ate a whole plate of chicken wings
during our podcast grandfatherate a whole plate of chicken
wings I like that about himactually, if I'm gonna be honest
with you, absolute truestatement before we do anything
too serious.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
I kind of wanted to play a game, since pretty much
everything you said was aboutgardening and about home stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
And being old.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yeah, and being old, I found the jeopardy.
That is just about gardening.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Not probably.
I don't do it right probablywe're going to see how bad we
are at this.
How bad we do.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
And if we do bad after five questions, we'll just
stop.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Did I tell you what the old man told me?
I feel like I have to sharethis gardening tip.
It was an old man.
He said his eggplant wins firstplace at the Altenburg Fair
every year.
Altenburg, so you know.
He said lime it.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Hold up like put lime juice on it.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
No, Google garden lime pellets.
That's his secret.
He learned it from the Germans.
They brought it over fromGermany when they settled in
Altenburg.
He puts that in his gardenevery year.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Fast acting lime.
What is this?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
It's actually, it's a garden compound, it's lime, I
don't know, man, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I'm asking Gemini, all right, it's created with
limestone rock.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
That makes sense.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
It's crushed into a powder Okay, so it's powdered
limestone.
Yeah, he told me get pelletizedlime, yeah, yeah, yeah, so it's
pellets of limestone, I wonder.
All right, so it adds pH ofacid, okay, okay.
And then it's alkaline, andokay.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Easier to apply.
I'm guessing it's reallyimportant.
If, probably, you're doing yourgarden in ground, maybe, I
don't know Changes the pH of thesoil to something a little more
friendly yeah, that's what itsounds like and it's for that
it's only for his eggplants, hisaward-winning eggplants, that's
what well, that's the onlything he said.
He entered in the fair.
(04:17):
Uh, he didn't talked about hisother vegetables.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
So I hope you know that, no matter where this
conversation goes, I'm going tokeep the entrance just like this
.
This is how it's going to start, just so people can hear a
little bit of how you and Iconversate these days.
We used to be cool, we used tobe so cool.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
When I worked at Buffalo.
They called me big booty Judywhen.
I worked at.
Buffalo.
They called me Big Booty Judy,and now I'm Gardening.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Judy, I did not know.
They used to call you Big BootyJudy.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
It was on my jersey.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
It was on your jersey too.
It wasn't just like a nickname,it was like you were certified.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Certified Big Booty Judy.
Like to the point where when Istarted at Best Buy, some of the
warehouse guys used to come toBuffalo, you know, on Friday
nights after inventory.
When I started there, severalof them thought my name was
actually Judy and they're likelooking at the schedule and
(05:26):
they're like who the hell isMaddie Jo?
And I said I am what, judy?
And I'm like, well, do you seea Judy on that schedule?
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Alright, alright, alright, alright.
This is how we're gonna do this, that's certifiable.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
You can ask Jessica Blankenship.
Just ask her what did they callMJ at Buffalo buffalo?
Speaker 3 (05:46):
and she will say oh, big booty, judy that just cracks
me up because you know we grewup calling girls big booty judy,
usually like because that wassomething from a movie that I
grew up watching.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
It just so well down, here's what I need you to think
about.
I worked with a lot ofbeautiful black men.
Yeah, at buffalo.
I'm pretty sure none of thewhite folk came up with that.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Oh my God, that's incredible.
All right, so today'sconversation is going to be very
lax, Nothing too crazy.
Something I only think I reallytalk about too much on the pod
is my grandmother died.
She had a garden at the houseand I grew up my little brother,
John, literally grew up helpingmy grandma pick weeds in the
(06:30):
garden.
She would always say, if yousee this little green, pick it.
And that was his little thinghe did when he was a toddler.
That kept him outside andrunning around and all of us
somewhat helped.
And when she died no one elsegardened in the family.
Everyone else was lazy, didn'tcare.
I was like I'm going to do it,and then I did it and everyone
was trying to eat my tomatoesand eat my greens.
(06:50):
I was just like this isinfuriating.
No love, no one wants to help,but everybody wants to enjoy the
work that I put in.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I picked a big old basket of greens you want to
hear the saddest thing and Iwent outside and I threw it on
the ground for the chickens.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
All the greens.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
A bunch of them.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Why.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
That's why I planted them.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Oh, that's the thing, though.
You're supposed to do certainthings for the land too.
You're not just supposed totake it all.
You're supposed to save somefor the animals.
You're supposed to put this Iget that.
I'm not upset about it.
That's what it's all about.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
But also come on, dude.
Was it mustard greens, turnipgreens or collard greens?
Well, I've got collard greens.
I got kale out there that Itake.
I don't like kale, I onlyplanted it for the chickens,
really.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Yeah, I had the seeds .
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I have a two-year limit with seeds myself.
At the, the two year mark.
I'm planting it, whether I eatit or not.
Yeah that makes sense.
Somebody's going to eat it, butall right.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
So do you find putting different types of seeds
in the ground helps you kind ofget better with planting other
stuff?
You're like, oh, I had a goodtrick that I did with this that
might work with this.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, absolutely this , yeah, absolutely.
There's so many things that Idon't think about trying until
you do it, or you don't thinkthat you could grow until you do
it.
Some stuff seems really hardand it just it's not.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
I get that.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Now your brassicas.
Yeah, those are hard, andyou're going to fight the
cabbage moths every year.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Or the beetles that get on the green beans.
Japanese beetles it's likewe're murdering so many bugs
every year because of that.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
You want to hear another crazy thing?
I do.
I love Japanese beetles, andhere's why.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Why.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
There's these trap bags that you can set up and
they fly right in.
And you know what I get to dowith those trap bags.
Then I dump them out over a tubof water and the chickens eat
them.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Oh, that's nice and they like them.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah, not only do they like them, but that's some
of the best stuff.
They don't get that kind offoraging in a run like mine, so
I just take the bugs back tothem.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
I'm about to say we don't have any chickens to throw
bugs at.
That'd be pretty solid.
Yeah, that's solid.
Oh, and those eggs you gave uswas so good when we got back
from Italy.
I've been making homemade pastaand stuff and having fresh eggs
for pasta is ideal.
It makes me consider I don'tthink I could ever do the
lifestyle of having chickens atthe house, but it makes me
(09:24):
consider it every time.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Well, honestly, having roosters would be a
problem maybe.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
But chickens, the chickens are easy.
I mean, they'll eat a lot ofyour scraps.
They'll eat your garden pests.
Like I said, I'm going to puttraps up front near my garden,
catch the bugs, take them backto the back and feed them to my
chickens.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
It's just like this beautiful little like
relationship in the garden and Ithink the more you see that and
like take advantage of thosethings, the better off your
garden is.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I love this.
I love that this is where we'vebecome.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Did I tell you about the weird thing that I did?
Speaker 3 (10:00):
What.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Weird garden thing.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Why are you doing the eyebrows dude?
Speaker 1 (10:05):
It's because it's good.
It's really good, and I thinkyou're going to say, yes, that's
weird, but yes, that's a reallygreat idea.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Yeah so.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I went and got terracotta pots, pretty good
size ones, with the like plateright that comes with it.
Drilled holes in it aftersoaking it for over 24 hours.
Drilled holes all over it witha bit like a masonry bit, yeah,
and then I buried it, okay, andthen I basically everything that
you would do to like compoststick it in there like your
(10:36):
browns your your paper, yourleaves your a little bit of your
dirt and then your food scrapsand it becomes like an in garden
bed worm.
Verma posting is what it'scalled so you okay.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
So instead of just composting like in the normal
compost, because we got like alittle one that you spin around
you just put it in the actualplot well, yeah, because I have
raised beds yeah I don't have alot of space to do a spinning
one.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
I thought about it and I got this idea to do them
in each of the beds.
The other reason I wanted toactually do it this way and do
Verma posting because it's alsolike worm farming essentially is
what you're doing Because BJhas been fishing a lot.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
So he can literally just go to the place where they
actually are being housed andlike, take them, and then they
also make the beautiful wormcastings.
And that's already right in mygarden beds, but you know I have
raised beds so it's not inground.
That's why I chose to do thelike an in bed firma posting
thing to make sure I got wormsinto the upper part.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
I'll be interested because, like I said, we do the
community garden.
It wouldn't be convenient to dolike kind of like that.
That would be something at thehouse.
That'd be more convenientbecause the compost is really
easy.
I just take everything outevery other day or whenever we
need it and roll it, and then,when it's time to use, we just,
you know, throw it in awheelbarrow and use it around
(12:04):
the gardens in the house insteadof taking it to the community
garden.
So most of the stuff at home.
We don't really do too manyvegetables at home.
We got a couple of pots oftomatoes this year, but usually
we don't do that.
We usually have all thevegetables at the community
garden and then we put the stuffin the ground and I cross my
fingers every year that we'llget some volunteer plants.
(12:25):
But we never get volunteerplants.
I don't feel like unless Adrianhas seen something I haven't
but I don't feel like we getanything from our compost that
just is good for the soil.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I had some stuff reseed itself.
I guess it's not really avolunteer plant but surprisingly
enough my cilantro reseeded,which is just a terrible pain in
the ass to get cilantro tostart.
At least in my experience I'venever been able to actually
start cilantro, but I bought oneone year and I guess when it
(12:58):
seeded it receded itself and thenext spring it came up.
I hope it does it again thisyear.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Yeah, hopefully, because the first time we did it
it went crazy.
We had a great cilantro yearand then the next year I feel
like it didn't do anything.
It's kind of on and off.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
You know what Cilantro is one of those things
that you said something earlierabout trying stuff you hadn't
before.
Cilantro is one of those thingsthat it is so hard to grow.
Yeah, at least to start it,especially for new ones.
Another one celery.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Celery, yeah, I would .
I'll be interested in how thatprocess is.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I never, we never tried that I have celery outside
, you have to start it early in,like in your actual garden bed.
It has to be started early.
That's what I've noticed.
Last year I didn't get up tostore size.
The sun got really hard on it,but it's been so rainy.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
I mean I'm sure that it's just going to be another
year, because our potatoes andour onions, oh my God, this year
our onions came out and theylook like store-bought onions
this year.
But it just took a year of theground getting used to it, I
guess, and us covering it upwith the proper amount of leaves
over the winter.
And of course, the big thingthat's different between you and
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I is that I get the Georgiaweather and you get the Missouri
weather, so it's crazier upthere.
I don't know how you do it Downhere.
We could do so much planting inthe winter.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Well, when you came in April, you said it's so bare.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Yeah, it's crazy in Missouri.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I had to get a little defensive.
Like I, still have a frostpossible.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
I understand Like now .
I mean, we pretty much do stuffthroughout the year.
You know we get.
We were getting collard, greensand broccoli in January.
You know what I'm saying.
It's crazy how year round wereally can do it.
And Adrienne is so organized,has her plot mapped out through
each year and we can go back andlook on certain day Like when
do we plant this, when do we dothis?
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Okay, well, let's try to do ita little earlier or a little
later this year.
It's really really the greatestthing ever to be able to get
different stuff throughout theyear.
We get the sweet potatoes atone point, then we get the
garlic and then we get the restof the greens.
Now we're starting to gettomatoes and we just put okra in
the ground.
So okra's coming soon.
And you know I enjoy that,because when I was doing it back
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in Missouri, like I said, itwas really spring, summer and
I'm getting that stuff up infall all the time I barely got
anything after that.
It's way different.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
You really have to take advantage of the cold
spring and the cold fall to getsome of the stuff that I think
is a lot easier for you to grow,like brassicas, collards those
are so much easier for you togrow through a much longer
period, even, yeah, but like canyou grow tomatoes all the way
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through november.
I don't know if my plant wasjust like I want to.
I want to do it like I really Igot in november last year yeah,
yeah, but then again I had I'vezero tomatoes.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
It's kind of up and down, Some days yes, Some days
no.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, my basil looks beautiful, but that always
happens.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Yeah, we got some basil about to start.
We got a whole bunch of stuffcoming.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Has your basil bolted yet?
Speaker 3 (16:13):
I'm not sure.
I have to double check.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
That's when your flavor changes.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
It gets really, really spicy.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
I have to double check because I haven't been to
the community.
But the thing is, we would makea vinegar with our basil too,
so the spicier will be nice forthe vinegar actually.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
It might give it a little bit of a bite.
Yeah, a little bit, but it's notso good for like a pesto, which
is what I love.
My favorite thing to do is makeas much pesto as possible,
because you know how basilplants are they get crazy.
If it rains enough, you'll haveto take so much plant and and
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do something with it.
I hate to throw things away, soI like to make the pesto cubes
and freeze them, and that thathas been the easiest, nicest
dinner to have, cause it's soeasy.
You just unfreeze a cube, butthen it's still like hey, that's
our garden stuff.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
It makes everything so easy to you know, even like
we went on vacation and I had abunch of lemons.
So we, we freeze the lemonjuice and I just, I just love
having that kind of stuff in thefreezer year round that you
could just throw into the dishand it's real easy.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
And I love it when it's stuff that you grew.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Yeah, adrian does that with the gazpacho.
Every year we make a gazpachoout of the tomatoes and
cucumbers and we have thatthroughout the year and it's
just frozen here in the basement.
When we did pumpkins, we tookthe pumpkin stuff out, put it in
the freezer and I was able touse anything.
You can make a pumpkin pielater on in a year, because you
got all the ingredients frozenand ready to go and that's kind
of.
I'm about to start doing thatwith pasta too, I think
personally.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
You can freeze pasta instead of having to let it dry.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Yes, and making it fresh is just so different than
buying it.
I didn't realize I was going tofall in love with fresh pasta
as fast as I did.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Next thing you know, you're going to be buying Durham
berries and milling your ownflour.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
I would love that.
I feel like every time you talkabout how you milled your flour
and this, and that it justsounds healthier, it sounds
cleaner, you know exactly whereit's coming from.
You don't know, you didn't addanything extra into it, you just
did it the way you want to, andI feel like that's kind of
where I'm leaning towards moreand more with the garden, not
only did you not add anythingextra, but it somehow magically
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has way more nutrients than thestuff in the store with
preservatives.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Also another little cool hack about milling your own
flour and stuff is wheatberries can last forever Not
ever, that's not true, but areally, really, really long time
.
Whereas flour is bad.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
I only mill when I need it.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Yeah, what you need.
That's nice.
Maddie, joan and I have knowneach other for a while.
I used to work a lot of placesand one summer I just so
happened to get three jobs oneat New York and company I was
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working at the box office at theriver campus in Cape Girardeau.
And then also I got a seasonaljob at American Eagle at the
mall, and also MJ had a seasonaljob at American Eagle and we
were working there and westarted talking one day and
we're like hold up, who do youknow?
And out of nowhere she's namingall of my best friends, I'm
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naming people that she is reallyclose with, and we're like, oh
wait, how do we not know eachother?
It made no sense.
And then from that moment on wejust became the best of friends
and I actually after I I wasthe intern box office manager of
the Show Me Center in CapeGirardeau and she was like my
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number one hire.
I hired MJ.
She just lost the job at thepoint.
She needed something and I waslike I got something that's
steady and you don't have toworry about anything.
I got you and we got reallyclose in those months working at
the Show Me Center and it'sjust us hanging out at the box
office selling tickets to, youknow, monster truck rallies and
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WWE and gun and knife shows Allof the madness that they had at
Southeast and I just really lovetime with MJ.
I'm comfortable.
I feel like we always look outfor each other.
We believe in each other.
It's always fun to have someonelike her in my corner and I'm
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very fortunate you listen to theshow.
I have a lot of people that I'mvery close with that I like to
share this space with, and I'vewanted to get her on for a while
.
So it was fun to have her hereand it went exactly the way I
thought it would.
Us talking very crazy aboutgardens and all of the stuff
that we do around our houses,and we gossip to each other like
(20:59):
two old women watching thePrice is Right every day.
So I enjoy this conversation alot.
I hope you enjoy or at leastget something out of it.
That's fun.
I know it's pretty chaotic attimes, but we just love to hang
out and catch up and talk andbounce ideas off of each other.
But much love to MJ and let'sget back to the show.
We're going to do a question inbetween, Okay good, because
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otherwise I can.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
we'll just be chatty, chatty I know we will.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I know we will, all right, so Jeopardy, of course.
You know the game.
We're going to start withgarden foods for 100.
And we're just both going toanswer this, and whoever gets
whatever gets negative orwhatever.
So it's a root vegetable eatingthroughout the world that are
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round, in range from white tored potato.
They also.
They are also.
They are often cut up and putinto salads oh shit, that's not
it, that's a radish I wasthinking radish or carrot.
Which one you take, you choosewhich one.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
I'll go with the other well, it's definitely not
potato, I don't put potato in asalad, unless you'll be talking
about a potato salad, actually,no, I do put a potato in a salad
.
I am German.
Yeah, I think probably it'sradish.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
All right, now I'm going to go with carrot.
Here we go.
Let's see what it is Radish.
I knew it was a radish.
I should have gone with you,but you get the points.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yeah, that makes sense to me.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
You get the points.
When did you actually start?
Did you do any gardening whenyou were younger, or were you
like this is just something yousaw?
You were like, okay, let me seeif I could do it now, Because
that was the same with me.
I grew up with it, but I didn'tdo it until I was an adult.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I think my parents had a garden when I was very,
very, very little, but neitherof them were like gardeners, and
I didn't really enjoy it withthem.
My aunt had a rose garden,though, and she was very
particular about it.
It was like her pride and joy,but like something that I still
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do today, and you've probablyseen me do it.
Actually, when I've given yougarden tours that I get from my
aunt is when she would go out toher garden.
The first thing she would do isshe had a mint patch right next
to her rose garden.
She'd go over, she'd grab somemint, chew it up and walk around
her garden, and, I kid you not,I do the same.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
That's nice.
I got it from her.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
And I do it likely because of her.
Other than that, no, I didn'treally have a whole lot of
especially vegetable gardeningin my life, though I grew up in
a farm community.
Now it kind of stemmed fromplants.
I got really into house plantswhen I was working at the plant
shop and stuff.
I don't know why I startedgrowing my own food, though.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Did we tell you about the organic winery we went to
in Italy?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
No, but I like everything you've just said.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
So we went around and they had everything.
They had hazelnut trees, theyhad chestnuts, they had olive
grove, they had anything you canimagine they had.
But one of the tricks that theydid that, I think, was really,
really something I was like thisis pretty dope, I'm going to
make sure I tell everyone is ontheir grape trees.
It was either their grape treesor their olive trees.
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At the very front they alwayshad roses and specifically they
did that because they knew thatwhatever was going to get to the
plant would go through theroses first.
So when they would see theroses are being attacked, they
would act and eliminate whateverit is before it got to the rest
of them.
It's like an attractive beam,it's like sugar and water for a
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fly, it's like oh, let me go tothat.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Canary in a coal mine right.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it was.
They really was like.
We've been doing this since westarted years ago and we never
changed it.
That's the traditional way wedo it and it's always been the
most convenient way to spot whensomething about to cook crazy.
I was blown away that this bigwinery actually followed
something so simple still.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Most of those traditional ways.
They came about because theyhad to protect their craft and
they don't have the pest controlwith all the chemicals that we
have today.
The kind of easy way out is theway I see it.
I mean it's a lot harder tofight things naturally.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
But the payoff is-.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Is amazing.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Oh my God, it is Once you start doing all the
multiple things that it reallytakes to prevent pests or
whatever in your garden.
What you've just done is builta stronger garden because you've
had to plant an X crop to be atrap crop or Y crop to gives off
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a smell that prevents anotherbug from coming by.
I don't know.
It's as simple as putting a cupof beer in your garden to get
rid of slugs.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Yeah, or putting hay down so that your watermelon
won't mold on the bottom, littleshit like that.
Yeah, I feel like and the crazything is now it's like I met
the perfect woman, adrienne's,the love of my life, but she
kind of handles most of thegarden, so I don't garden like I
used to.
I've gotten a little lazy.
I should get back out there anddo more stuff.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
She sciences, it doesn't she?
She's like me about it.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
She's so good, but it's like I do enjoy.
I used to go out my grandma'sbig thing.
The thing she would do everytime she would go out to the
garden is she would sing to theplants.
She would always tell me,dominique, sing to the plants,
they'll grow better because theycan hear you.
And she was very particularabout their living, just like us
kind of thing.
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And Adrienne introduced me tothe book Braiding Sweetgrass and
that was kind of the same thingwith them.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
They're like it's a living thing.
That's funny that there's amovie I think it's the Widow
Clicquot which is she's a famouschampagne mistress, madam,
whatever, anyway, but that's howher husband started and he was
teaching her.
He said you have to sing to thevines.
I don't sing to my plants, butI talk to them If you talk to
them, that's the same thing.
That's the same thing, Girlyou're looking good.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Oh my God, I feel like people who are listening
have no idea what's going onright now.
But oh my God, I feel likepeople who are listening have no
idea what's going on right now.
But with MJ's garden, it's herentire front yard.
It's not like some big plot.
It's like her whole front yardhas been converted into this
incredible landscape of a gardenRaised beds it's the talk of
the town Raised beds andarchways and big pots everywhere
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.
It's incredible.
I think it's fantastic.
And then the chickens are inthe backyard.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I put up a bamboo tee .
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
And actually there's another trellis that I put up
since you've last seen it, butit's not completely done.
My neighbors hate me.
Neither love me or they hate me.
There's the old lady next doorwho's like you know.
She's upset that it's not likea perfectly manicured yard.
And then there's the ladiesfrom the hospital who walk by
(27:55):
every day and stop and ask mequestions and check and see if
the deer had gotten my tomatoplants again this year.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
They did.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
You're right next to the hospital so I can only
imagine, especially like somenurses.
We used to have nurses comedown to Buckner's when I bartend
in Cape.
They were always trying to getout of that place.
They were so stressed out.
So I can imagine them beingright there and like walk in the
corner, just going a block awayto get away from the hospital
and your garden, being theirhappy thing, regular walking
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route, yeah, and I'm on it likeI have a.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
I have a really good walking neighborhood and that's.
That was really a fun part ofbeing out in my garden.
At first it wasn't so funbecause I didn't know people,
but, um, after a while peoplewould just be walking by and
like, oh, it looks good.
Or you know, they'd ask me if Igot got got by the deers I did.
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Or when I had gourds growing.
That's always people alwayshave to stop and ask about those
.
I don't think I'm gonna haveany this year.
It never germinated and I don'twant to talk about it.
I'll cry, okay.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Let's get back to the game Garden food for 300.
This leafy green can also bepurple.
You might enjoy it baked as achip.
That is kale.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
That is kale.
I don't enjoy it baked as achip.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Yeah, that's kale.
That was an easy one For 300.
It baked as a chip.
Yeah, that's kale.
That was an easy one For $300,.
How's that weight Radish?
I'm mad I didn't just sayradish with you.
I am interested more in themeal.
Where did you get the idea ofdoing the flour meal?
Because the more you talk to meabout it, the more you try to
convince me to get flour and doit at home.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I was baking all of our bread.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I started in January I guess.
For Christmas I was given adehydrated sourdough starter
Basically all the tools to makesourdough, and so I kind of went
down that path for quite awhile but it kind of got really
expensive.
Yeah, flour, like not for avery big bag, it was getting
(30:14):
pretty expensive.
And I was just doing somereading and kind of got worried
about the tariff situation, yeah, and I was like, well, I can
store wheat for a really longtime and also a little bit what
you were talking about earlier.
I really wanted to make my ownpasta and freeze it.
Somebody I follow on TikTok.
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She makes her own pasta andthen, instead of having it out
on drying racks, like you would,because she doesn't have the
space, she freezes it.
And I was like, well, heck, Icould do that.
I don't have kitchen spaceeither.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
My husband liked the sourdough so much I thought
whole wheat sourdough, that'seven better to be able to do it
whenever and not even worryabout it Just randomly like, hey
, you want some pasta tonight?
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Great Cacio e pepe.
But they talk about howdifficult it is to make and I'm
like how can it be difficult?
It is literally pasta, cheese,water and pepper.
There's no way it's hard tomake and I made it for the first
time.
Well, actually, going back whenyou're in Rome and you eat it,
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you realize, oh, the pasta theyuse is always freshly made.
They never use store-bought.
It's always freshly made andit's specific cheese and there's
a way that they get the aromaout of the pepper and stuff like
that.
So I'm like I got to learn theways of the Romans, I got to
learn.
I got to learn, I got to get itright.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
So I have a hot take on pasta.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Okay.
So in general, if I say I'mgoing to feed you butter noodles
tonight, you're going to saywhat kind of five-year-old
palate do you have?
But then if said, wait, I'mgonna make the pasta, you're
saying you have my attentionyeah, I didn't change the
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ingredients no but I took outall of the crap and I really
think that, like there arereally simple and wonderful
pasta dishes Super simple, threeingredients.
Pesto is like no ingredients.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
It's good ingredients , though it's not pesto in a
plastic jar from Schnucks that'sgot preservatives in it.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
That's not what it is .
It's fresh basil from thegarden with good virgin olive
oil, actually with pine nuts,yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
And.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Parmesan Reggiano, not green craft Parmesan.
That's not what we're talkingabout here, and just those
number of changes.
You can still use dried pastaand have a better experience
than if you were to.
You know it's simple changes,but like we think that our time
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is so much more valuable that weforgot what tastes good.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
And I think we just settle for stuff that we don't
really need to settle for.
Like there's certain places youcan go and they're like, oh, we
don't have this stuff, we don'thave these vegetables or fruit
because it's out of season, andpeople just are okay with it.
They're like, oh, we don't havethis stuff, we don't have these
vegetables or fruit becauseit's out of season, and people
just are okay with it.
They're like, great, it's outof season, I'm eating what's in
season.
But there are certain places,like Atlanta or big cities,
where it's like you can getstuff that's coming year round
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and it's like, oh, why does thisorange not taste that well?
And it's like, well, it's notreally in season right now.
That's why it doesn't tastegood.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
That's a bigger problem in America as a whole
actually.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Yes, it is, it is I agree.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
If we can order it, we should have it.
Exactly In season or not, we donot understand the concept of
waiting for things like a seasonfor something to grow and I
think gardening gives you thatlike, think about it, like
there's patients every time,like when you give away a squash
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that you grew, that person justthinks you're giving them a
squash.
They don't realize that youplanted the seed and you watered
it every day.
If you don't have an irrigationsystem, I don't.
You fertilized it.
You fought the squash borerswith your two hands and one.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Beat them.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
All to just grow one fruit that you gave away.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Or vegetable that you gave away, and they think I
could buy it for 50 cents.
You sure freaking could.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Yeah, but also no.
You couldn't.
Tomatoes taste 20 timesdifferent grown fresh or from
farmer's markets than they dowhen you get them from the
grocery store.
I never thought was real.
I was like there's no way.
And then you start eating freshtomatoes and you're like, wait,
it does taste better.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
They taste even more different if you go outside.
This is most especially if you.
I like to do this test oncherry tomatoes because they're
the nicest to pop in your mouths.
Yeah, a hot cherry tomato inthe sun hot, the flavor is
different yeah versus one.
Even if your own garden, youpick it and bring it outside and
it comes down to temperature,it's different a warm in the sun
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, one that that sun, it's extra,extra vitamins, I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
So good that sounds.
It sounds scientificallycorrect.
That's how good it sounds.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I know I thought about that.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Sounds like we really know what we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
But like it does taste better.
I don't know why, but I amcertainly their science.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
And it was like I said.
I grew up with it and when Iwas younger, of course my
grandma would have all thisstuff and I didn't even eat the
vegetables then because I waslike this is gross.
You know, I followed in thesteps of my other family members
.
A lot of my family members justdidn't like vegetables and
stuff and they still don't eattheir vegetables.
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They just want some chicken andthey just want some French
fries and they're done.
But my grandmother was diabeticand she was real specific about
her diet.
So by the time before shepassed away, the one thing that
she always splurged on she was abig fan of French dressing.
So she'll do a really cleansalad, but it's going to be
french dressing on it, you know.
But other than that, it wasalways fresh ingredients.
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It was always stuff in thehouse that we could have and we
just avoided it and she passedaway.
Years went by, no one was doingthe garden and I dated my
ex-girlfriend in college.
Nicole and her family did allfresh gardening.
I was like damn this is this isway better than I used to do
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this, because grandma isn'tmaking it anymore, so it's like,
okay, I think I should put someeffort into this and make it
happen, and it really has beensomething.
That is, you can't really goback to the way it was before or
after you start doing it, Ifeel like you can get lazier and
just not want to garden anymore, but you're still going to
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search out hey, farmer's market,let's go get the tomatoes from
here instead of the grocerystore.
It's always going to besomething that you go for.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
I feel the same way about bread too.
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Especially since I startedmaking sourdough, I mean you saw
some of my early loaves in someof those pictures.
No-transcript.
Yeah, I'm really a bigsourdough fan now I always used
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to think I didn't like sourdoughand I think I don't like
store-bought sourdough.
It's dry.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Store-bought.
Would you get something fromthe bakery at the store, or no?
No, no.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Not usually.
No, we were sandwich bag kids.
What else were?
We going to wrap our socks into go out in the snow Indeed.
We put socks sandwich bag, snowboots, everybody knows it, dom.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
That old Appleton lifestyle was real.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
My feet didn't get wet, did yours.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
Mine got wet.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Mine got wet because I was a city kid who didn't
think.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Poor kids, poor kids from the trailer park right here
, we know how to stay dry allright garden terms for 100.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
A flexible tube used to carry water sprinklers or
nozzles are typically fitted tothe end.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
I would say a hose right yeah that was flexible too
, that's let's, let's see.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Yeah, why, why would they?
I guess it was a hundred.
Does that make sense?
That's stupid.
This was you know.
All right, let's, let's seewhat the hard questions are.
All right.
Types of gardens five of ahundred.
This type of garden hasvegetables for the home, but
it's planted to increase foodproduction during a war.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Victory garden.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Wow, you got it right .
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Yes, yeah, that was like during World War II that
was a big thing.
If every house planted theirown garden they could feed
themselves and the food andproduce one that was being not
produced because young men areoff at war, but that was being
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produced could be sent to feedtroops.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Where did you learn that?
Where did you get thatinformation?
Speaker 1 (39:46):
I actually learned that in school.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Okay, I was like I don't think I remember that in
school If I was taught it, Ijust don't remember it.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Also there's a kind of a trend toward victory garden
type things.
I've noticed on TikTok in thelast year or two Not necessarily
the same type of situation, buteven in COVID that was another
thing.
You saw a lot more peoplegardening and things.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
One of the things that we got into because
Adrienne's mother is also anincredible gardener and that
she's the one that kind of helpsus move along.
She has her big one.
We have three plots andAdrienne and her kind of work
together on the three plots, butthen she has one at the house
and he has a whole backyard ofstuff you would love.
You're going to come here toGeorgia at some point.
We're going to take you aroundall the wonderful gardens and
you're going to love it.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
That's what it'll be Like.
The main event will be a gardentour.
That's what I want.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
Literally that, and we'll go to the botanical
gardens because you know,adrienne and her mother are
members there, so you can go andit'll love it.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Of course, they are my friend.
Hannah is also a member andtook me to the botanical garden
because I wanted to see, Iwanted to smell Lucy.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Oh, really Well.
The one in Georgia isincredible Adrienne's mother.
She won yard of the month, soher garden is really really
impressive.
It's impressive stuff.
Adrienne and I are trying towork hard.
They don't really give out yardof the week.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
My neighbor two doors down one garden of the month.
I don't know who makes thatchoice.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
I don't think that they like my garden.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
She's a native kind of wildlife habitat gardener
though she and.
I are like real close.
I like her a lot.
She is my old lady bestie.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
I was bringing up Karen just because she has so
much going on over there and wealways have different things
coming in and out of the houseand they're like, oh, we got
this from this person and thisfrom this person and it just
makes things so easy to you know.
No, we don't have to buy onionsfor a couple of months.
We don't have to buy tomatoesfor a couple of months.
When we get okra, I usuallysmoke the okra and then freeze
(41:43):
it.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Smoke it and then freeze it.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Yes, the okra, and then freeze it and smoke it, and
freeze it.
Yes, I smoke it and I chop itup.
Smoke, well, I smoke it whole,chop it up, then freeze it, and
that way, when I put it in thegumbo later in the year, it's
like smoky gumbo.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yeah, yeah so I realized that this week that
I've been sleeping on flowerslike regular flowers and you
know how I realized that yousent me that picture of or that
video of that bouquet, or Adriandid Hot dog.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Yes, jeez, louise.
Literally we was looking todaybecause she said every surface
in our house has fresh flowerson it today.
And the whole point is like shewas like this is like $50 worth
of flowers and I just plantedit and we're going to have
plenty throughout the year.
And I was like, yeah, that isvery true, that is very true.
We got six huge hydrangeas inthe yard.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
You never have to buy her flowers.
You just go outside and you cuther some.
If you buy her flowers, she cantell you it's a waste of money.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
And she told me it was a waste of money when I
would do it.
She's like don't buy me flowers.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Don't buy me no flowers, grow me some.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Yeah, but it really is a cool little thing and you
would be able to kill it with it, because you could kind of put
the flowers around the garden Igrew zinnias last year and we
had zinnias all summer long.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
I like fresh flowers too.
We are flower people also, butby the time that the vegetable
garden gets in, I'm usuallypretty spent.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
And that's really, I really need to-.
Well, you got to put them inthe ground and just let them go.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Yeah, bulbs, put them all in the ground and get
everything in there, just onlybulbs, no seeds.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
You won't have to worry about it, because then
when you start seeing them popup in this and that you'll be
like oh, I didn't think this wasgoing to come up this year, I
didn't think this, I didn'tthink that I had that kind of
luck with hostas.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
My hostas out front look beautiful.
Got some clearance sad onesfrom Aldi at the end of the
season two years ago.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
And now those suckers are out front blooming, looking
like they were planted there 10years ago and they belong.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Our hostas are literally eaten every year.
We went to Italy.
They were beautiful before weleft.
We got back, gone, completelygone.
The deer are like yo, they'regone.
They're not walking around theyard, the dog isn't out there.
Let's get to it.
And they did, and it washorrible, horrible to see.
(44:01):
It was like a murder.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
They don't need to attack my hostas.
I've got all the vegetables outfront.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
That's the thing we don't have all the vegetables
for them.
I remember one year we tried togrow some snow peas up the
fence but I don't think thoseever came back and they don't
come onto our back porch becausewe had a fence.
So yeah, the hostas are theirmain thing to go for and I was
thinking maybe I'll startputting like clover out in the
yard and that'll distract themfrom the hostas.
They'll like eat the cloverinstead.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
No.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
And the flower that comes from the clover maybe Like
if I just grow a bunch of it,you don't think so.
No.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
No, because that's what you want to happen, dom,
and that's not what's going tohappen.
I could lie to you and tell youwhat you think is going to
happen is going to happen, butwe both know what the battles
with deer and squirrel reallyare like, and that is everything
that you have found on theInternet to try.
Speaker 3 (44:59):
It's not going to work.
Yeah, you're right.
You're absolutely right.
They talked about that likewolf's pee or whatever.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Coyote pee boy, do I have some?
Speaker 3 (45:08):
Yeah, coyote.
They said.
Yeah, use the pee and the peewill work.
And it doesn't work at allBecause there ain't no wolves
around here.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
My bigger fear is like is it going to attract
other predators?
Speaker 3 (45:21):
Yeah, that makes sense too.
It's like, oh okay, let me markthis territory, kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Put cayenne all over your garden and the squirrels
won't come back.
That's a lie.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
That's totally a lie.
I put oil like spicy oil,peppermint oil, camphor oil, no,
no, I put the real hot oil.
I bought it.
It has like a sizzled squirrelon the cover of it.
I'm thinking, okay, this isgonna be great.
And I used it and put it in theseeds.
And another big thing mygrandma was big on was birds.
(45:55):
So I have a birdhouse in thebackyard with a birdbath and I
put the seeds in there andthat's kind of like my thing.
I do the birdhouse thing,no-transcript, eating it and
(46:31):
taking it in and enjoying it.
It was like he got accustomedto that spicy food and it was
just another day.
I was like what was the point ofspending money on it?
This did nothing but just giveit a thing to get ready for.
It was ready for that hot stuff.
It's the worst.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
You want to know the weirdest thing I tried.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
What.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
I made my husband pee in a jar.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
Yeah, you tell me that.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
And I sprinkled that all around my yard.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
Didn't work.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
No, instead, I just have the memory of having a jar
of my husband's pee in my hand,which I don't really appreciate.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
This is why you can't listen to stuff you find on
Pinterest.
That's the problem.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
I was at my wit's end .
Speaker 3 (47:06):
No, but that's what happens.
I went to Japan and I waslooking at all these things on
Pinterest and I got to remindmyself I'm an African-American
gentleman going to Japan.
I'm not the basic white bitchthat made this damn post.
So when I get there and they'retalking about don't wear shorts
, it's disrespectful, don't dothis, don respectful, don't do
(47:28):
this, don't be that.
And I had on pants, jeans, andit's middle of summertime and
it's hot as balls and everyone'slooking at me like, yeah, black
dude, why are you wearing allthese clothes?
And it's like, yeah, I'm theonly black dude here.
Ain't like they're going tothink, oh, he's Japanese.
Of course I'm American, Ishould wear what the hell makes
me comfortable.
Then I went to Ireland.
Same thing, looking at thesestupid Pinterest people telling
me certain things to do when Iget there and avoid this and
(47:51):
avoid that and don't do this anddon't do that.
And it's like, how about?
I'm just going to do it and seewhat happens.
And if I pee on the tree aroundmy garden and they keep coming,
okay, the pee don't work.
I tried it, but I'm not goingto listen to y'all tell me that
this works.
It's like those stupid peoplethat be putting the whales cum
(48:11):
on their face.
Like what are you doing?
What are you doing?
We live in a weird world.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
Man, you put whale vomit all over yourself on the
regular.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
Who me.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Yeah, what are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (48:26):
Are you telling me you don't wear cologne?
I?
Speaker 1 (48:28):
wear cologne Yep.
You want to know Abergrace,what kind?
Speaker 3 (48:33):
of cologne.
Does that?
Speaker 1 (48:34):
Almost every perfume, and cologne has a history of
using whale vomit.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
Google it which cologne Colognes, which cologne
Cologne, which brands?
Which brands.
While whale vomit is a term forthis, it's not actually vomit,
but rather it's whale vomit.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
Hold up.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
From whale sperm.
Sperm.
Sperm sperm no, from spermwhales.
Okay, it's rare, expensiveingredient.
Some perfumes they use itinclude.
I don't use any of those okay,most don't use it anymore.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
I just but the ones that don't use it anymore.
But the ones that don't use itanymore, they use a synthetic
alternative.
So basically they're like hey,I don't want to use the whale
vomit anymore.
Can we just make fake whalevomit?
Speaker 3 (49:36):
Okay, so Gucci does it still.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
That's what I'm talking about Luxury brands.
Speaker 3 (49:40):
Oh my God, what is this world that we live in?
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Have I ruined your life.
Speaker 3 (49:45):
No, no, no, no, no no .
Speaker 1 (49:46):
That's a big part of the.
You know, like when whalersused to go whaling in Nantucket.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
They wanted the blubber because that's a whole
heck of a lot of oil and grease,you know, for lamps and whatnot
.
They wanted the bones becauseyou know what they used those
for Corsets, the boning, andcorsets and dresses.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
that's what it is, it's whale bones how do you, how
do you even discover that whalesperm and well burnt bones is
stuff that we need on theregular?
Speaker 1 (50:17):
at the time you think of, when they probably found a
dead whale or caught a deadwhale, and at the time time
period they think, okay, whatcan we use all of this for?
Because they were moreinterested in using every little
bit.
What's making you make thatface, dom?
Speaker 3 (50:34):
One of my colognes has whale sperm in it.
Speaker 1 (50:38):
No whale vomit from sperm whales.
Speaker 3 (50:40):
Oh, okay, whale vomit from sperm whales.
Okay, notes, and why?
Why?
Speaker 1 (50:47):
Why.
Are you mad that I said youwear whale vomit and you said
which cologne, which cologne?
And you thought you were goingto prove me wrong.
And one of your colognes haswhale vomit in it.
Speaker 3 (50:59):
This sucks.
This is not cool.
Why do they do this to me?
Why do I get to play?
This is why vegans exist righthere.
Wow, my Calvin Klein has it init too, madness.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
You say this guy, this guy's in love with you.
Yes, I'm in love.
Who looks at you the way I do?
When you smile, I can tell tellknow each other very well.
How can I show you?
I'm glad I got to know you guys.
I've heard some talks.
(51:36):
They say you think I'm fine.
Really, yes, I'm in love.
Who makes you smile the way Ido?
Baby, please keep it cheap, youand me every day.
How can I show you?
I'm so glad that I got to tellyou that I need your love.
I want your love.
(51:58):
Tell me you're in love, in lovewith this guy, and not I'll
just die, hey.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
Alright, this is me performing this Guy's In Love
With you, one of my favoritetunes.
I'm doing this at Lemon InChicago on Valentine's Day.
I just love this show and lovesharing it with y'all.
Hope y'all enjoy it.
If you want to listen to any ofmy other music, you can check
me out on all streamingplatforms.
You can get all the informationyou want about me At
domlamorecom, where you can getanything and everything
(52:29):
domlamore you'll be so sweet.
Speaker 4 (52:32):
It's you and me.
Every day we go and creep tosee what we can be.
Every day I need you and youneed me.
This love, this love, this love, this love.
This guy is in so much love.
Yes, you and me, baby let's go,let's see.
Speaker 3 (52:56):
Well, folks, we made it to a part of the um podcast
where, um, we all talk aboutthings that we love, and I'm
going to start.
This is very hard to likechange and pivot.
I'm really trying to move awayfrom the whale vomit, but you
(53:17):
know what I love?
I love yoga.
I've been doing my yoga every,every day, pretty much like at
least five times a week.
I try to get it in.
I try to get it in more thanthat, but when I do the weddings
on the weekends, it takes a lotout of me.
The day after and maybe the dayof, we might be running around
too much for me to even get todo a little stretching in a full
(53:40):
thing, and I try to do at least20 minutes to 40 minutes every
day and it's been reallyrelaxing.
It's been helping me withreally relaxing.
It's been helping me with mybreathing.
It's been helping me with mysinging.
It's been helping me withgetting stronger and just
feeling better all together.
My aches are gone.
My body feels like it's beingtaken care of.
So that's what I'm loving rightnow.
(54:01):
What's something that you'reloving right now, mj?
Speaker 1 (54:03):
I am loving crochet.
Yes, so I started in march.
My sister taught me, justreclaiming a little bit of
something from the women of my,of my family, of my ancestry.
I come from a long line offiber artists yeah it's out,
women who crochet and stuff anddo all sorts of little things
(54:24):
like that oh, look at that, Ihaven't crocheted for just a
handful of months now, and rightnow I'm currently holding up
Dom's future gift.
He knows about it.
Colors.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
It looks great.
It looks great.
Speaker 1 (54:35):
Yeah, so it's.
I do it just about every night.
I like to listen to a book orsomething when I'm doing it, but
something that I've alreadyheard before or watched before
is usually best.
Speaker 2 (54:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
And I just kind of a noodle on some stuff.
So I really haven't told youthis, but I guess I'll share it
with you.
As I have found myself in thisparticular pattern for your
living room, which the colors Ipicked, of course, are like a
plum and there's a maroon andthere's an orange.
And then there's a reallybeautiful, variegated that has
(55:07):
all of those colors in it.
I kind of kept getting thesense of you know, sunshine.
And then I thought of the linefrom the song that you and
Adrian were dancing to at yourwedding you know, goodbye, Mr
Sun.
And that's just kind of thevibe I've been putting into it
as I go, so yeah, that song'sthe best.
Something I really love doing.
Speaker 3 (55:29):
You know?
Have I ever told you why wechose that song for our first
dance?
Speaker 1 (55:32):
No, but I absolutely loved it.
Speaker 3 (55:34):
It's called Sun Goes Down by Fat Knight, one of my
favorite bands.
We went to Zion National Park.
We went to all of thesenational parks, but specifically
(55:54):
when we were in Zion we pulledout the bikes and we biked
through Zion for a little bitand for some reason this song
was stuck in my head.
I couldn't get it out of myhead.
So when the sun was going downI just kept on singing goodbye
Mr Sun, see you in the morning.
It just kept happening, kepthappening, and when we were
thinking about what we weregoing to dance to, I was like,
oh, what about that song?
That's like a song that willalways be in a memory because it
was either the day before ormaybe two days before I proposed
(56:14):
.
So really really cool song.
Go check out Fat Night, greattune.
Speaker 1 (56:18):
Yeah, and if you are listening to it, think of
Crochet and Sunset Colors andDom and Adrienne dancing.
Speaker 3 (56:34):
And that's the vibe, y'all.
The way we end every episode isvery same way.
We've spoken about everythingwe want to speak about, and more
.
All I ask now is how do youfeel?
Speaker 1 (56:42):
I feel great.
I had a great chat with myfriend Dom.
I laughed a lot.
Ruined your afternoon now thatyou know I feel great.
I had a great chat with myfriend Dom.
I laughed a lot.
Ruined your afternoon now thatyou know about the whale vomit.
Speaker 3 (56:50):
Dude, I'm so upset this is going to be so annoying
because I'm going to know everytime, now, every time.
Speaker 1 (56:57):
Every time.
Yeah, I feel great.
How do you feel?
Speaker 3 (57:00):
I feel amazing.
It's been a really good chillday.
I slept in a little bit because, like I said, the wedding I did
this weekend was it wasn't thatcrazy, but I put a lot of
energy out.
I do a lot of jumping runningaround and I had a little cold
last week, so I got, you know,about an hour and a half extra
(57:24):
sleep today and did every errandI had and knocked off
everything on my to-do list andthis was one of the last things
I get to do today before I go upand eat.
So I can't complain.
It's good times talking to you.
Speaker 1 (57:37):
I think I'm going to get so pesto.
Speaker 3 (57:39):
Yeah, that sounds about right.
Sounds about right.
Well, love you, I'll talk toyou soon.
Speaker 1 (57:43):
Much love Dom talk to you soon.
Much love Dom talk to you soon.
Speaker 3 (57:53):
I want to thank you for listening to the Black man
Talking Emotions podcast.
The opening quote credit goesto Allison Morris Earl.
And shout out to Maddie Cho forbeing on the pod.
Mj does not have Instagram, soleave her alone.
Please subscribe to the podcast, share the podcast and give us
a good rating.
Five stars, please, and thankyou.
You can support the show byclicking the link at the bottom
(58:14):
of the episode description.
Also, tell me your plans forthe coming year.
We should collab.
If you like this episode, youshould check out finding peace,
a previous episode.
I speak, speak with JosephEvans about theater, family,
mental health and so much more,so go check that out.
Follow me at D-O-M underscoreL-A-M-O-U-R on Instagram or at
(58:37):
DomLamorecom.
I'm Dom Lamore, much love.
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