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Dr. Jasmine Weiss (00:00):
Hey, are you looking for a community to help
you prepare for the MCAT and themedical school application
process?
You're in for a treat, becausetoday is part two of our episode
with future Dr Khaled L Jack.
He's the founder of a discordcommunity to help support you
along your journey.
In this episode of the BlackMedConnect podcast, we jump in and
(00:24):
talk all about his entity.
We talk about his experiencesas a medical student and more,
and if you want to stick around,there's a special bonus for you
at the end.
But you've got to watch all theway to the end to get that
bonus.
Let's jump right into theepisode and so you're
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maneuvering through yourclinical years.
You've done your preclinicalclassroom work.
What got you interested inophthalmology and how did you
begin to navigate, making sureyou were going to be the best
applicant possible to match intoan ophthalmology residency
program?
For the audience who may notknow, that's an extremely
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competitive field, an extremelycompetitive field.
Khalid El Jack (01:23):
So I got through my pre-clerkship classes and
they still didn't necessarilyknow what I wanted to do.
And then I started my clerkshipyear and I was navigating
different opportunities and oneclose friend of mine at a
different school brought to myattention was a program called
the Minority OphthalmologyMentorship Program.
(01:43):
It's also called the MOMProgram and it's sponsored by
the AAO and it's specificallyfor underrepresented minority
students interested inophthalmology.
So I got admitted to thatprogram.
Thankfully, and I think thatreally tuned me into
ophthalmology I was able to goto the national meeting.
They gave me a mentor, likedirectly you get assigned a
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mentor, and I was able tocontinue with that mentor.
I actually called him literallylast week.
He was talking about my match.
So I was just like I got tunedinto the field by that
mentorship program.
And then I went to shadow anophthalmologist at my med school
and thankfully we had one weekof ophthalmology actually in our
clinical rotations.
So there was a week where Ialways kept it in my back pocket
(02:28):
, so like I would go through myrotations and then mentally I'd
compare it, I'd be like, okay, Ijust did pediatrics, do I want
to do this more than that?
And then I would think, okay,no, I still want to do this more
.
And then I continued thinkingthat as I went through, and
after every single clerkship, Iwas like, okay, this is the
thing that I still really wantto do.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (02:47):
I love that.
I love that, especially thatcomparison.
I think people don't realize.
Everybody doesn't know, evenwhen you say you're going to do
one thing, because we know.
Obviously when you're trying toget into med school, the more
clear you can paint the picturethat you have direction and that
you're excited about a specificthing.
It just helps you to be morecompetitive.
But everybody knows on everyadmissions committee that people
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are going to change their minds.
So that mechanism that you hadto like say okay, I really like
this.
You know I rate this a 10 outof 10.
Can something exceed that ornot?
That's a really cool way tothink about.
You know how you're going tochoose your specialty over time
as you're in your clinical years.
So that's really cool.
And then the other pro tip thatI want to make sure we highlight
(03:31):
, because, again, I think you'redropping some huge tips to find
mentorship opportunities andprograms that help you navigate
the career you're interested in,even in med school, and I'll
even take it a step further andsay even for you, even in
residency, because some peoplethink you know, keep your head
down, do your classes, do yourclerkships, but you really do
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need to think about whatinterest groups you're going to
join what national organizationsexist to help you reach your
goals and, to your point, theprogram you were able to join to
make sure you knew all thesteps you needed to know to be a
successful applicant.
So can you say that it was theAmerican Academy of
Ophthalmology?
Khalid El Jack (04:11):
So the American Academy of Ophthalmology like is
the sponsoring organ?
Yeah, the program itself iscalled the Minority
Ophthalmology Mentorship Program, also called like MOM or MOM
program is the abbreviation Iwill.
I actually thought of one other,one other tip to answer the
second half of your question.
I think one thing that's alsohelpful is if you have any
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interests or indication that youmight want to pursue like a
competitive specialty, likewhatever ophthalmology,
dermatology, plastics there area lot of competitive specialties
it would help to identify thatinterest earlier rather than
later because, as I mentioned, Ididn't really know until after
my preclinicals and then intoclerkship here, which isn't
super late but like relative toit's not, it's not early
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certainly.
So I felt like I was alwaysplaying catch up, Like I had to
do a lot of research and I woulddo that research like at night,
during the time that I'mstudying for my shelf exams,
where it's like I actually endedup having a lot more free time
Earlier on in medical school andhad I known I had this interest
, or even if I had known that itcould be even a potential
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interest, I could have reallysaved myself a lot of time and
effort doing that stuff earlier.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (05:21):
That makes sense.
So the earlier you know, themore, the more time you'll have
to explore your interest.
Khalid El Jack (05:29):
Exactly.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (05:31):
Gotcha, that's really good.
And do you feel like let's talka bit about the nuts and bolts
of it?
Right, Because ophthalmology iscompetitive because of the
scores you need and researchopportunities and experiences.
What things do you think arecritical to the future
ophthalmologists of the worldwho you'll be mentoring one day
when you're a resident and anattending?
Khalid El Jack (05:52):
Yeah.
So I think if you break it downinto different buckets, so I
think one is developinginterests, doing electives.
So after my clerkship here Idid electives within
ophthalmology, like at my homeprogram.
There are some schools thatdon't have home ophthalmology
departments, which makes it morechallenging but not impossible.
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So that involves like doingaway rotations and that's again
where you can like lean onmentors but I think doing the
home rotations and doing themwell so that, like, you have a
good network of supporters, agood network of advocates, like
in your own department, becauseophthalmology and, I'm assuming,
other fields that are reallysmall, everybody knows everybody
(06:34):
.
So you want to have like thatreputation of oh, like Khaled
he's that guy who was likeworking really hard in our
department we can back hisapplication, we can support it,
we can advocate for him, like ifit comes down to it.
So like just similar to how,like a pre-med student is trying
to do excellent in their likegrades, you're trying to do
excellent on your rotations anddevelop like a good reputation.
(06:59):
Other buckets I would say likeresearch is usually a core
component.
It depends on the institutionin which you're trying to match
in, but I would say having someresearch background would be
very helpful.
And then, finally, third bucketis like your network, so the
network of mentors, people whocan like write you letters of
recommendation, people who canadvocate for you when you've
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like identified.
Oh, this is like the place Ireally want to go, and they
might know somebody there orespecially in these smaller
fields.
It's actually very helpful.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (07:31):
Yes, absolutely the network.
You got to keep building itfrom start to finish, from the
time you are pre-med.
It really never ends thatyou're going to need community
support all the way through.
And you mentioned the research.
Can you share what kind of coolproject that you get to work on
during this time?
Khalid El Jack (07:46):
Yeah, I think probably my most interesting
project.
I actually looked at the socialmedia platform.
Reddit is something that I waspretty interested in and we
analyzed it.
We specifically looked at theReddit forum r slash glaucoma,
which is just a sub Reddit onthe site, looking at glaucoma
patients and basically lookingat the conversations that these
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patients are having and whatkind of trends arise in the
conversations.
And we found that the numberone type of conversations that
patients are having on the siteis conversations related to
patients, related to prognosis.
So, like these patients areworried that their visual
prognosis is poor and they'reafraid that they're, like, going
to go blind.
And this is important becauseReddit is actually like an
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anonymous website so anybody cancan write anything.
So these patients are actuallya kind of a risk for
misinformation because anybodycan go on Reddit and like
comment hey, take thismedication, or I used to take
this medication.
So it's important forphysicians to kind of understand
this data so that, like whenthey have patients in person,
they can kind of work on some ofthese top questions, so that
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patients don't necessarilyexpose themselves online to that
, to that risk.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (08:56):
I love that for for so many reasons to your
point, our patients areabsolutely getting information
on the internet.
And a lot of it isn'tnecessarily backed by evidence
or may work in a small group butnot larger groups.
Like we know, most times a lotof studies try to have as many
patients as possible enrolled inthe trials to make sure that we
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know the results generalize toa whole population.
But people don't know thosethings when they're just, you
know, googling a question or onReddit.
To your point, that's a reallycool project to figure out what
are the challenges that patientsare really worried about and
what are the common strugglesthat they're worried about.
And the other reallyinteresting thing about what you
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just said, especially for ouraudience members who may be
looking for research exposureopportunities, research
experiences.
So many people, especially incollege, only think of research
in one particular way.
Khalid El Jack (09:51):
Yeah.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (09:52):
So so for you to do a project first of all
that's patient focused, but alsosocial media focused, is really
creative, and there are a lotof different studies that look
at how social media impactshealth and how technology
impacts health.
So everything's not always youknow, a lab or a mouse or animal
model.
Some of us that, but a lot ofit can be really cool creative
(10:13):
experiences like the one you'redoing.
Khalid El Jack (10:14):
Yeah, I would say, and this was something that
like didn't necessarily like.
A lot of times people reach outto professors who do existing
research and then they justadopt a project.
But this was something that Iactually like generate, like
generated.
The question reached out tolike the computer science
department, and I suggest thatbecause If you don't have like,
it's okay to not have a deepinterest in drug development or
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well, and that's okay and there,and it's okay to love that
stuff, like.
But if you have an interestthat's not necessarily the norm,
it's okay to pursue that Interms of like residency and
things like that.
If that's your passion, peoplewill see that those are your
passions and that that's arespectable way, even if it's a
bit different.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (10:58):
Yeah, yeah, and I'd argue even respectable,
and it makes you stand out right.
Because, you're doing somethingso unique that it immediately
captures people's attention.
So very, very cool that youwere able to pursue that
interest that you had, and youknow some other interests that
we both share are medicaleducation and entrepreneurship,
(11:19):
and so I'd love to take a momentnow to talk about kind of your
passion and your business thatyou have, and if you could share
more about it with the audience, that would be fantastic.
Khalid El Jack (11:30):
Yeah, me and a classmate earlier on in medical
school, like four years ago, wedid a lot of freelance like MCAT
tutoring and things of thatnature.
But one of the things werealized about providing those
services is number one it'sincredibly time intensive to
learn every single thing aboutlike one specific applicant.
And then number two, it'sincredibly expensive and
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burdensome for the applicantthemselves.
Oftentimes if they're goinglike major corporations, they're
paying like thousands ofdollars in admissions packages
or MCAT tutoring.
So, fast forward four years now.
In our fourth year, when we'vebeen pretty free in terms of our
time, we developed an idea thatwe were able to answer
questions to a lot of studentsfor a lot for a much more
(12:14):
affordable price point.
So we use the platform discord.
It's like a conversationplatform and we partnered with a
popular social media creator inthe space.
The name is Med School bro.
He has about 1.5 millionfollowers across, like all of
his social media following, andwe created a discord community
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in which me and a classmate arethere kind of on an on demand
basis like answer studentsquestions and interact with
students across the country andacross the world.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (12:46):
That's amazing.
And so to your point of beingcreative.
That's super creative to kindof partner with an influencer
and create a community aroundanswering questions to help
people make sure they'resuccessful on their journey to
getting ready for Med School.
And so you mentioned that youdid some freelance kind of
tutoring stuff.
(13:06):
What made you want to solidifythis as a, as an entity?
Because, of course, for me, I'mexcited about this.
Right, because how amazing isit for you, as a medical student
, to to start an entity?
Right, because so many peopleagain, don't think about how you
, as a person, in your passionand your interest, can impact
people at every stage.
(13:27):
You're on and you all are doingit.
So, like, how did you go fromlike oh, this is something we
enjoy doing, to like we reallyneed to organize this and create
a platform?
Khalid El Jack (13:36):
Yeah, I think we realized that as we work with
more students, the amount ofquestions that overlap is
actually very high.
So if you work with 10 students, oftentimes like eight of them
have very, very similarquestions.
So rather than having oneperson get charged an exorbitant
amount of money to just answera few questions, when everybody
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has the same concerns, it makesmore sense to talk to them all
in a group and if they do needlike an additional question and
they want to privately ask aquestion, that's fine too.
So that was kind of like thegeneration of the idea.
And then it became kind of likethis, this entity as you're
describing, when we reached outto like a larger creator,
because they already had likeproducts and systems in place.
(14:20):
So we had to like legitimizewhat we were doing to kind of
keep it on par with the existingbrand that we were working with
.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (14:28):
Yeah, that's awesome.
And a few times throughout thisconversation you've mentioned
systems, whether that be whenyou mentioned like having your
study tips, or having yourmethods for studying, or having
your method to figure outmentorship, or having your
method to figure out yourspecialty.
So to your point.
Building this is hasn't you gotto have a system in place for
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this too?
And so how can students getinvolved with what you have
going on with med school, bro,right now?
What can they do to getinvolved with that?
Khalid El Jack (14:59):
Yeah, specifically, we offer, as I
mentioned, a discord community.
Some of the highlights we doweekly webinars every weekend
specifically, like recent oneswe've done have been on the MCAT
.
We partnered with universities,so actually last week we spoke
with the University of Iowa.
A couple weeks before that wespoke with Dartmouth University.
But in terms of our serviceitself, it's subscription
(15:20):
service through our website,which I can link actually after
this talk and students candefinitely check out more
information on it from there.
Fantastic.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (15:29):
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(15:51):
So be sure to go tobemedconnectcom to join the
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school bros and what they'redoing.
So I love what you're doing andI would love to know, from your
perspective, where do you seethis going in the next couple of
years and how are you thinkingabout what you have going now
with balancing the transition tobecoming an intern and starting
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in your ophthalmology residency?
Khalid El Jack (16:14):
Yeah, I think.
To answer the second happyquestion first, that's
definitely something we've beenthinking about because, of
course, similar to how I wasdescribing, like taking things
one step at a time and thinkingabout the thing that's
immediately in front of you, tobe completely honest, like the
priority is to be a good intern,to be a good ophthalmology
resident, to be succeed in that.
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That's my main priority.
That's like what I'm trained todo.
But, in terms of how this willcontinue, we have students that
have been in the community, aswell as other classmates at our
medical school that are able tokind of handle a lot of the
responsibilities that I've beenhandling, so that my
participation won't be as muchas time intensive moving forward
(16:57):
.
And then, where do I see thisin a few years?
So I think we're growing in agreat direction by partnering
with universities.
Speaking with clubs, I hopethat in the future we have
representation on a lot of thecampuses here in the United
States and medical schools.
We have students in there frommany universities UCLA, uva,
(17:19):
george Washington, there's justa name of few but all across the
country.
So I see it being a prominentthing on campuses when students
are looking for, as I mentionedthose peer mentors that they
need on like an on-demand basis.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (17:36):
I love that.
I love that.
So if you haven't, and if youare trying to figure out your
way to medical school, you'vegot to go to this resource to
check out the Med School Brosand what they're doing to make
sure you can be successful alongyour journey.
So I appreciate you sharingmore about your entrepreneurial
endeavor and I commend you fornot only being awesome and
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getting to the stage where youare now.
It's not easy.
So many people don't realizethat again, ophthalmology is
extremely competitive, so you'vehad to do amazing things, and
to still want to give back andstill help the next generation
is something that's extremelyimportant, and so I appreciate
all the efforts that you'reputting in to do that.
Khalid El Jack (18:16):
Thank you so much For sure.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (18:19):
All right, so we are going to jump into the
next part, which is the verycool bolus round that we like to
do.
And for those who don't know, abolus is when we give a patient
fluids pretty quickly becausethere may have been a reason why
either they're losing blood orthey may be very sick and so
they need to get fluids quickly.
And that's what we do when wegive a bolus in the emergency
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room or elsewhere in thehospital.
And so this is our rapid-fireQ&A round.
And so, callan, I'm going toask you some questions and you
can answer however you'd like,and, if you're ready, we're
going to jump right in.
Khalid El Jack (18:56):
Sure, let's do it.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (18:58):
All right, All right.
So if you had to eat threefoods for one month, only three.
What would those foods be?
Khalid El Jack (19:06):
Okay, I need a type of fruit, so I'm going to
go with clementines.
I like clementines.
I have them as a snack all thetime.
For us Sudanese people, we eata lot of rice and chicken-based
foods, so I'm going to go with aprotein rice chicken type dish,
and then we have thisbean-based dish that is called
(19:27):
Ful.
That's our national dish, soI'm going to go with those three
things.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (19:32):
Oh, that's amazing.
Tell me what's in that dish?
Khalid El Jack (19:35):
It's literally, I think, they're fava beans and
then there's some oil and thenyou eat it with bread and
they're usually served withbreakfast.
They're usually servedbreakfast, lunch and dinner in
Sudan.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (19:47):
Very cool.
I love that, all right.
So we got you three foods.
Now my next question is if youhad to choose between a vacation
that's warm or you had tochoose a vacation that's cold,
which would you choose, andwhere would your destination be?
Khalid El Jack (20:05):
I would say absolutely a warm destination.
So even though my family isfrom Sudan, I grew up in
Wisconsin.
It's incredibly cold, likenegative 20 sometimes in the
winter.
Even it's like there's, it'spretty but like I still prefer,
I prefer the warm.
If I could go anywhere warmgrowing up it would be Sudan,
but recently I've actually beento Egypt.
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I've been to Cairo.
Egypt it's like a really reallyI enjoyed a lot and the thing
about Egypt there's actually alot of other cities that are
really pretty in Egypt too thatpeople may not necessarily go to
.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (20:41):
That's amazing.
That's amazing.
What other cities should peoplecheck out?
Khalid El Jack (20:44):
Yeah, there's one in particular.
It's called Ergada.
It's in the southeast, it's abeautiful city, it's like on the
water, and then it's also aboutthree hours from Luxor, which
is where, like the Valley of theKings, a lot of the famous like
archaeological structures aretoo.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (21:04):
Very neat.
I would.
I definitely have Egypt on mylist.
Khalid El Jack (21:07):
Yeah, it's a beautiful country, places to go,
places to go.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (21:10):
That's fantastic, all right, so we know
that you would go to Egypt andCairo and Ergada, and what was
the other place?
Khalid El Jack (21:17):
Luxor.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (21:18):
Luxor.
Okay, we've got those.
We know your destinations.
Now, if I had to ask you if youwanted to buy, if you had a
million dollars and you weregonna buy a new mode of
transportation, what would youbuy and why?
Khalid El Jack (21:32):
A new mode of transportation, I would say yeah
, yeah, no, I would.
I would default to a car, Ithink.
I think a million dollars is alot for a car.
I don't know like it'd be apretty, pretty fancy car, but I
would.
I think I think the reason Isay car is because I'm the type
of person like when I get a gift, I want something that I could
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use on a daily basis, like a newlaptop or like something that
I'm using all the time.
So I would say like, eventhough there are other things I
could get, a car I know I woulduse on a daily basis.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (22:05):
I love that.
Fair enough, you can share therest of the wealth with others.
What type of car would you get?
Khalid El Jack (22:12):
Oh man, I'm not even into fancy cars like that.
I would get something, probablyreally basic, like a, like a
Tesla or something, but I knowthat's only like I'd have like
$950,000 left.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (22:25):
Fair enough.
Fair enough, you could use thatmoney a lot of different ways.
Then my last question is gonnabe if you could well, it's not
really a question, I take thatIf you could rep your
organization, any organizationyou want I have a feeling I know
what you're gonna say Share alittle bit more and tell us what
you would rep him and and howpeople can check you out.
(22:46):
One more time.
Khalid El Jack (22:46):
Yeah, lastly, so we mentioned a bit earlier, but
thankful to to have beenworking with the med school bro
brand to create our our discordcommunity.
That's, that's exactly what I'mrepresenting today.
If you'd like to check us out,as Dr Weiss mentioned, it'll be
on the newsletter, butspecifically it'll send you to
our website, where we have a lotmore information outlined onto
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some of the features of ourdiscord.
And, yeah, just the one lastplug for it.
The whole point of creating itwas that it's a much more
affordable service versus goingto like a major corporation and
paying thousands of dollars.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (23:25):
Excellent, excellent.
So if you're looking for thataffordable way to make sure you
can ace the exam and get readyfor med school, then that is the
platform for you guys to checkout, and so, with that being
said, I just want to say thankyou again, callit, for joining
us on this episode of theBlackMed Connect podcast.
We've we've really, reallyenjoyed what you've had to say.
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You shared such valuableinformation, and so we look
forward to seeing what you do inthe future and I know you'll be
an awesome resident and we'relooking forward to seeing how
you progress along your journey.
Khalid El Jack (24:00):
Thank you so much.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (24:00):
So you are welcome.
You are welcome.
So thank you everybody againfor tuning in to the BlackMed
Connect podcast.
We had a great guest today,callit L Jack, or, as I should
say, future Dr L Jack very, verysoon, and if you want to check
us out, I got a few things Ineed you to do.
If you haven't done so already,please subscribe to BlackMed
(24:23):
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(24:44):
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So until next time, alwaysremember I'm Dr Weiss, remember
to dream without limits and wewill see you on the next episode
.
Bye.
We hope you enjoyed this week'sepisode with future Dr Khaled L
Jack, part two of his interview, where we explored all about
(25:07):
his entity with med school pro,the discord community that he
has, and we talked about whatit's like to Build something
like this while you're a medstudent.
So if you enjoyed this episode,then make sure you check out
the bonus that I'm gonna sharewith you now.
So if you watch the entireepisode, then we have a special
(25:28):
bonus for you.
So, khaled, I'll let you sharewhat that bonus is with our
audience.
Khalid El Jack (25:32):
Thank you, dr Weiss.
We're giving away our pre-medguide that we've created.
So this is a 24 page guidecreated by me, my classmate and
the med school bro team specifichighlights in it.
We have a MCAT study schedulein there.
We have my own personalstatement that I applied to
medical school with.
We also have an example of amedical school secondary that I
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used to apply to medical schooland screenshots of my activity
section used to apply to medicalschool and finally, there is a
Template letter for sending outresearch opportunities
professors.
So if you ever confuse on howto reach out, we've got you
covered on that.
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Bye.
Hey, are you looking for a community to help
you prepare for the MCAT and themedical school application
process?
You're in for a treat, becausetoday is part two of our episode
with future Dr Khaled L Jack.
He's the founder of a discordcommunity to help support you
along your journey.
In this episode of the BlackMedConnect podcast, we jump in and
(00:24):
talk all about his entity.
We talk about his experiencesas a medical student and more,
and if you want to stick around,there's a special bonus for you
at the end.
But you've got to watch all theway to the end to get that
bonus.
Let's jump right into theepisode and so you're
(00:57):
maneuvering through yourclinical years.
You've done your preclinicalclassroom work.
What got you interested inophthalmology and how did you
begin to navigate, making sureyou were going to be the best
applicant possible to match intoan ophthalmology residency
program?
For the audience who may notknow, that's an extremely
(01:20):
competitive field, an extremelycompetitive field.
Khalid El Jack (01:23):
So I got through my pre-clerkship classes and
they still didn't necessarilyknow what I wanted to do.
And then I started my clerkshipyear and I was navigating
different opportunities and oneclose friend of mine at a
different school brought to myattention was a program called
the Minority OphthalmologyMentorship Program.
(01:43):
It's also called the MOMProgram and it's sponsored by
the AAO and it's specificallyfor underrepresented minority
students interested inophthalmology.
So I got admitted to thatprogram.
Thankfully, and I think thatreally tuned me into
ophthalmology I was able to goto the national meeting.
They gave me a mentor, likedirectly you get assigned a
(02:05):
mentor, and I was able tocontinue with that mentor.
I actually called him literallylast week.
He was talking about my match.
So I was just like I got tunedinto the field by that
mentorship program.
And then I went to shadow anophthalmologist at my med school
and thankfully we had one weekof ophthalmology actually in our
clinical rotations.
So there was a week where Ialways kept it in my back pocket
(02:28):
, so like I would go through myrotations and then mentally I'd
compare it, I'd be like, okay, Ijust did pediatrics, do I want
to do this more than that?
And then I would think, okay,no, I still want to do this more
.
And then I continued thinkingthat as I went through, and
after every single clerkship, Iwas like, okay, this is the
thing that I still really wantto do.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (02:47):
I love that.
I love that, especially thatcomparison.
I think people don't realize.
Everybody doesn't know, evenwhen you say you're going to do
one thing, because we know.
Obviously when you're trying toget into med school, the more
clear you can paint the picturethat you have direction and that
you're excited about a specificthing.
It just helps you to be morecompetitive.
But everybody knows on everyadmissions committee that people
(03:11):
are going to change their minds.
So that mechanism that you hadto like say okay, I really like
this.
You know I rate this a 10 outof 10.
Can something exceed that ornot?
That's a really cool way tothink about.
You know how you're going tochoose your specialty over time
as you're in your clinical years.
So that's really cool.
And then the other pro tip thatI want to make sure we highlight
(03:31):
, because, again, I think you'redropping some huge tips to find
mentorship opportunities andprograms that help you navigate
the career you're interested in,even in med school, and I'll
even take it a step further andsay even for you, even in
residency, because some peoplethink you know, keep your head
down, do your classes, do yourclerkships, but you really do
(03:54):
need to think about whatinterest groups you're going to
join what national organizationsexist to help you reach your
goals and, to your point, theprogram you were able to join to
make sure you knew all thesteps you needed to know to be a
successful applicant.
So can you say that it was theAmerican Academy of
Ophthalmology?
Khalid El Jack (04:11):
So the American Academy of Ophthalmology like is
the sponsoring organ?
Yeah, the program itself iscalled the Minority
Ophthalmology Mentorship Program, also called like MOM or MOM
program is the abbreviation Iwill.
I actually thought of one other,one other tip to answer the
second half of your question.
I think one thing that's alsohelpful is if you have any
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interests or indication that youmight want to pursue like a
competitive specialty, likewhatever ophthalmology,
dermatology, plastics there area lot of competitive specialties
it would help to identify thatinterest earlier rather than
later because, as I mentioned, Ididn't really know until after
my preclinicals and then intoclerkship here, which isn't
super late but like relative toit's not, it's not early
(04:54):
certainly.
So I felt like I was alwaysplaying catch up, Like I had to
do a lot of research and I woulddo that research like at night,
during the time that I'mstudying for my shelf exams,
where it's like I actually endedup having a lot more free time
Earlier on in medical school andhad I known I had this interest
, or even if I had known that itcould be even a potential
(05:15):
interest, I could have reallysaved myself a lot of time and
effort doing that stuff earlier.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (05:21):
That makes sense.
So the earlier you know, themore, the more time you'll have
to explore your interest.
Khalid El Jack (05:29):
Exactly.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (05:31):
Gotcha, that's really good.
And do you feel like let's talka bit about the nuts and bolts
of it?
Right, Because ophthalmology iscompetitive because of the
scores you need and researchopportunities and experiences.
What things do you think arecritical to the future
ophthalmologists of the worldwho you'll be mentoring one day
when you're a resident and anattending?
Khalid El Jack (05:52):
Yeah.
So I think if you break it downinto different buckets, so I
think one is developinginterests, doing electives.
So after my clerkship here Idid electives within
ophthalmology, like at my homeprogram.
There are some schools thatdon't have home ophthalmology
departments, which makes it morechallenging but not impossible.
(06:13):
So that involves like doingaway rotations and that's again
where you can like lean onmentors but I think doing the
home rotations and doing themwell so that, like, you have a
good network of supporters, agood network of advocates, like
in your own department, becauseophthalmology and, I'm assuming,
other fields that are reallysmall, everybody knows everybody
(06:34):
.
So you want to have like thatreputation of oh, like Khaled
he's that guy who was likeworking really hard in our
department we can back hisapplication, we can support it,
we can advocate for him, like ifit comes down to it.
So like just similar to how,like a pre-med student is trying
to do excellent in their likegrades, you're trying to do
excellent on your rotations anddevelop like a good reputation.
(06:59):
Other buckets I would say likeresearch is usually a core
component.
It depends on the institutionin which you're trying to match
in, but I would say having someresearch background would be
very helpful.
And then, finally, third bucketis like your network, so the
network of mentors, people whocan like write you letters of
recommendation, people who canadvocate for you when you've
(07:21):
like identified.
Oh, this is like the place Ireally want to go, and they
might know somebody there orespecially in these smaller
fields.
It's actually very helpful.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (07:31):
Yes, absolutely the network.
You got to keep building itfrom start to finish, from the
time you are pre-med.
It really never ends thatyou're going to need community
support all the way through.
And you mentioned the research.
Can you share what kind of coolproject that you get to work on
during this time?
Khalid El Jack (07:46):
Yeah, I think probably my most interesting
project.
I actually looked at the socialmedia platform.
Reddit is something that I waspretty interested in and we
analyzed it.
We specifically looked at theReddit forum r slash glaucoma,
which is just a sub Reddit onthe site, looking at glaucoma
patients and basically lookingat the conversations that these
(08:07):
patients are having and whatkind of trends arise in the
conversations.
And we found that the numberone type of conversations that
patients are having on the siteis conversations related to
patients, related to prognosis.
So, like these patients areworried that their visual
prognosis is poor and they'reafraid that they're, like, going
to go blind.
And this is important becauseReddit is actually like an
(08:29):
anonymous website so anybody cancan write anything.
So these patients are actuallya kind of a risk for
misinformation because anybodycan go on Reddit and like
comment hey, take thismedication, or I used to take
this medication.
So it's important forphysicians to kind of understand
this data so that, like whenthey have patients in person,
they can kind of work on some ofthese top questions, so that
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patients don't necessarilyexpose themselves online to that
, to that risk.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (08:56):
I love that for for so many reasons to your
point, our patients areabsolutely getting information
on the internet.
And a lot of it isn'tnecessarily backed by evidence
or may work in a small group butnot larger groups.
Like we know, most times a lotof studies try to have as many
patients as possible enrolled inthe trials to make sure that we
(09:18):
know the results generalize toa whole population.
But people don't know thosethings when they're just, you
know, googling a question or onReddit.
To your point, that's a reallycool project to figure out what
are the challenges that patientsare really worried about and
what are the common strugglesthat they're worried about.
And the other reallyinteresting thing about what you
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just said, especially for ouraudience members who may be
looking for research exposureopportunities, research
experiences.
So many people, especially incollege, only think of research
in one particular way.
Khalid El Jack (09:51):
Yeah.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (09:52):
So so for you to do a project first of all
that's patient focused, but alsosocial media focused, is really
creative, and there are a lotof different studies that look
at how social media impactshealth and how technology
impacts health.
So everything's not always youknow, a lab or a mouse or animal
model.
Some of us that, but a lot ofit can be really cool creative
(10:13):
experiences like the one you'redoing.
Khalid El Jack (10:14):
Yeah, I would say, and this was something that
like didn't necessarily like.
A lot of times people reach outto professors who do existing
research and then they justadopt a project.
But this was something that Iactually like generate, like
generated.
The question reached out tolike the computer science
department, and I suggest thatbecause If you don't have like,
it's okay to not have a deepinterest in drug development or
(10:38):
well, and that's okay and there,and it's okay to love that
stuff, like.
But if you have an interestthat's not necessarily the norm,
it's okay to pursue that Interms of like residency and
things like that.
If that's your passion, peoplewill see that those are your
passions and that that's arespectable way, even if it's a
bit different.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (10:58):
Yeah, yeah, and I'd argue even respectable,
and it makes you stand out right.
Because, you're doing somethingso unique that it immediately
captures people's attention.
So very, very cool that youwere able to pursue that
interest that you had, and youknow some other interests that
we both share are medicaleducation and entrepreneurship,
(11:19):
and so I'd love to take a momentnow to talk about kind of your
passion and your business thatyou have, and if you could share
more about it with the audience, that would be fantastic.
Khalid El Jack (11:30):
Yeah, me and a classmate earlier on in medical
school, like four years ago, wedid a lot of freelance like MCAT
tutoring and things of thatnature.
But one of the things werealized about providing those
services is number one it'sincredibly time intensive to
learn every single thing aboutlike one specific applicant.
And then number two, it'sincredibly expensive and
(11:52):
burdensome for the applicantthemselves.
Oftentimes if they're goinglike major corporations, they're
paying like thousands ofdollars in admissions packages
or MCAT tutoring.
So, fast forward four years now.
In our fourth year, when we'vebeen pretty free in terms of our
time, we developed an idea thatwe were able to answer
questions to a lot of studentsfor a lot for a much more
(12:14):
affordable price point.
So we use the platform discord.
It's like a conversationplatform and we partnered with a
popular social media creator inthe space.
The name is Med School bro.
He has about 1.5 millionfollowers across, like all of
his social media following, andwe created a discord community
(12:36):
in which me and a classmate arethere kind of on an on demand
basis like answer studentsquestions and interact with
students across the country andacross the world.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (12:46):
That's amazing.
And so to your point of beingcreative.
That's super creative to kindof partner with an influencer
and create a community aroundanswering questions to help
people make sure they'resuccessful on their journey to
getting ready for Med School.
And so you mentioned that youdid some freelance kind of
tutoring stuff.
(13:06):
What made you want to solidifythis as a, as an entity?
Because, of course, for me, I'mexcited about this.
Right, because how amazing isit for you, as a medical student
, to to start an entity?
Right, because so many peopleagain, don't think about how you
, as a person, in your passionand your interest, can impact
people at every stage.
(13:27):
You're on and you all are doingit.
So, like, how did you go fromlike oh, this is something we
enjoy doing, to like we reallyneed to organize this and create
a platform?
Khalid El Jack (13:36):
Yeah, I think we realized that as we work with
more students, the amount ofquestions that overlap is
actually very high.
So if you work with 10 students, oftentimes like eight of them
have very, very similarquestions.
So rather than having oneperson get charged an exorbitant
amount of money to just answera few questions, when everybody
(13:58):
has the same concerns, it makesmore sense to talk to them all
in a group and if they do needlike an additional question and
they want to privately ask aquestion, that's fine too.
So that was kind of like thegeneration of the idea.
And then it became kind of likethis, this entity as you're
describing, when we reached outto like a larger creator,
because they already had likeproducts and systems in place.
(14:20):
So we had to like legitimizewhat we were doing to kind of
keep it on par with the existingbrand that we were working with
.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (14:28):
Yeah, that's awesome.
And a few times throughout thisconversation you've mentioned
systems, whether that be whenyou mentioned like having your
study tips, or having yourmethods for studying, or having
your method to figure outmentorship, or having your
method to figure out yourspecialty.
So to your point.
Building this is hasn't you gotto have a system in place for
(14:49):
this too?
And so how can students getinvolved with what you have
going on with med school, bro,right now?
What can they do to getinvolved with that?
Khalid El Jack (14:59):
Yeah, specifically, we offer, as I
mentioned, a discord community.
Some of the highlights we doweekly webinars every weekend
specifically, like recent oneswe've done have been on the MCAT
.
We partnered with universities,so actually last week we spoke
with the University of Iowa.
A couple weeks before that wespoke with Dartmouth University.
But in terms of our serviceitself, it's subscription
(15:20):
service through our website,which I can link actually after
this talk and students candefinitely check out more
information on it from there.
Fantastic.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (15:29):
We'll be sure to share that information.
In order to get thatinformation, you got to go ahead
, and if you haven't alreadysubscribed to BlackMedConnect,
right, you got to go toBlackMedConnect to subscribe and
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So we make sure you get itdirectly.
And if you haven't joined ouremail newsletter that we send
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(15:51):
So be sure to go tobemedconnectcom to join the
newsletter and we'll be sure toget you in touch with the med
school bros and what they'redoing.
So I love what you're doing andI would love to know, from your
perspective, where do you seethis going in the next couple of
years and how are you thinkingabout what you have going now
with balancing the transition tobecoming an intern and starting
(16:12):
in your ophthalmology residency?
Khalid El Jack (16:14):
Yeah, I think.
To answer the second happyquestion first, that's
definitely something we've beenthinking about because, of
course, similar to how I wasdescribing, like taking things
one step at a time and thinkingabout the thing that's
immediately in front of you, tobe completely honest, like the
priority is to be a good intern,to be a good ophthalmology
resident, to be succeed in that.
(16:35):
That's my main priority.
That's like what I'm trained todo.
But, in terms of how this willcontinue, we have students that
have been in the community, aswell as other classmates at our
medical school that are able tokind of handle a lot of the
responsibilities that I've beenhandling, so that my
participation won't be as muchas time intensive moving forward
(16:57):
.
And then, where do I see thisin a few years?
So I think we're growing in agreat direction by partnering
with universities.
Speaking with clubs, I hopethat in the future we have
representation on a lot of thecampuses here in the United
States and medical schools.
We have students in there frommany universities UCLA, uva,
(17:19):
george Washington, there's justa name of few but all across the
country.
So I see it being a prominentthing on campuses when students
are looking for, as I mentionedthose peer mentors that they
need on like an on-demand basis.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (17:36):
I love that.
I love that.
So if you haven't, and if youare trying to figure out your
way to medical school, you'vegot to go to this resource to
check out the Med School Brosand what they're doing to make
sure you can be successful alongyour journey.
So I appreciate you sharingmore about your entrepreneurial
endeavor and I commend you fornot only being awesome and
(17:58):
getting to the stage where youare now.
It's not easy.
So many people don't realizethat again, ophthalmology is
extremely competitive, so you'vehad to do amazing things, and
to still want to give back andstill help the next generation
is something that's extremelyimportant, and so I appreciate
all the efforts that you'reputting in to do that.
Khalid El Jack (18:16):
Thank you so much For sure.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (18:19):
All right, so we are going to jump into the
next part, which is the verycool bolus round that we like to
do.
And for those who don't know, abolus is when we give a patient
fluids pretty quickly becausethere may have been a reason why
either they're losing blood orthey may be very sick and so
they need to get fluids quickly.
And that's what we do when wegive a bolus in the emergency
(18:41):
room or elsewhere in thehospital.
And so this is our rapid-fireQ&A round.
And so, callan, I'm going toask you some questions and you
can answer however you'd like,and, if you're ready, we're
going to jump right in.
Khalid El Jack (18:56):
Sure, let's do it.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (18:58):
All right, All right.
So if you had to eat threefoods for one month, only three.
What would those foods be?
Khalid El Jack (19:06):
Okay, I need a type of fruit, so I'm going to
go with clementines.
I like clementines.
I have them as a snack all thetime.
For us Sudanese people, we eata lot of rice and chicken-based
foods, so I'm going to go with aprotein rice chicken type dish,
and then we have thisbean-based dish that is called
(19:27):
Ful.
That's our national dish, soI'm going to go with those three
things.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (19:32):
Oh, that's amazing.
Tell me what's in that dish?
Khalid El Jack (19:35):
It's literally, I think, they're fava beans and
then there's some oil and thenyou eat it with bread and
they're usually served withbreakfast.
They're usually servedbreakfast, lunch and dinner in
Sudan.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (19:47):
Very cool.
I love that, all right.
So we got you three foods.
Now my next question is if youhad to choose between a vacation
that's warm or you had tochoose a vacation that's cold,
which would you choose, andwhere would your destination be?
Khalid El Jack (20:05):
I would say absolutely a warm destination.
So even though my family isfrom Sudan, I grew up in
Wisconsin.
It's incredibly cold, likenegative 20 sometimes in the
winter.
Even it's like there's, it'spretty but like I still prefer,
I prefer the warm.
If I could go anywhere warmgrowing up it would be Sudan,
but recently I've actually beento Egypt.
(20:28):
I've been to Cairo.
Egypt it's like a really reallyI enjoyed a lot and the thing
about Egypt there's actually alot of other cities that are
really pretty in Egypt too thatpeople may not necessarily go to
.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (20:41):
That's amazing.
That's amazing.
What other cities should peoplecheck out?
Khalid El Jack (20:44):
Yeah, there's one in particular.
It's called Ergada.
It's in the southeast, it's abeautiful city, it's like on the
water, and then it's also aboutthree hours from Luxor, which
is where, like the Valley of theKings, a lot of the famous like
archaeological structures aretoo.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (21:04):
Very neat.
I would.
I definitely have Egypt on mylist.
Khalid El Jack (21:07):
Yeah, it's a beautiful country, places to go,
places to go.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (21:10):
That's fantastic, all right, so we know
that you would go to Egypt andCairo and Ergada, and what was
the other place?
Khalid El Jack (21:17):
Luxor.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (21:18):
Luxor.
Okay, we've got those.
We know your destinations.
Now, if I had to ask you if youwanted to buy, if you had a
million dollars and you weregonna buy a new mode of
transportation, what would youbuy and why?
Khalid El Jack (21:32):
A new mode of transportation, I would say yeah
, yeah, no, I would.
I would default to a car, Ithink.
I think a million dollars is alot for a car.
I don't know like it'd be apretty, pretty fancy car, but I
would.
I think I think the reason Isay car is because I'm the type
of person like when I get a gift, I want something that I could
(21:53):
use on a daily basis, like a newlaptop or like something that
I'm using all the time.
So I would say like, eventhough there are other things I
could get, a car I know I woulduse on a daily basis.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (22:05):
I love that.
Fair enough, you can share therest of the wealth with others.
What type of car would you get?
Khalid El Jack (22:12):
Oh man, I'm not even into fancy cars like that.
I would get something, probablyreally basic, like a, like a
Tesla or something, but I knowthat's only like I'd have like
$950,000 left.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (22:25):
Fair enough.
Fair enough, you could use thatmoney a lot of different ways.
Then my last question is gonnabe if you could well, it's not
really a question, I take thatIf you could rep your
organization, any organizationyou want I have a feeling I know
what you're gonna say Share alittle bit more and tell us what
you would rep him and and howpeople can check you out.
(22:46):
One more time.
Khalid El Jack (22:46):
Yeah, lastly, so we mentioned a bit earlier, but
thankful to to have beenworking with the med school bro
brand to create our our discordcommunity.
That's, that's exactly what I'mrepresenting today.
If you'd like to check us out,as Dr Weiss mentioned, it'll be
on the newsletter, butspecifically it'll send you to
our website, where we have a lotmore information outlined onto
(23:08):
some of the features of ourdiscord.
And, yeah, just the one lastplug for it.
The whole point of creating itwas that it's a much more
affordable service versus goingto like a major corporation and
paying thousands of dollars.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (23:25):
Excellent, excellent.
So if you're looking for thataffordable way to make sure you
can ace the exam and get readyfor med school, then that is the
platform for you guys to checkout, and so, with that being
said, I just want to say thankyou again, callit, for joining
us on this episode of theBlackMed Connect podcast.
We've we've really, reallyenjoyed what you've had to say.
(23:47):
You shared such valuableinformation, and so we look
forward to seeing what you do inthe future and I know you'll be
an awesome resident and we'relooking forward to seeing how
you progress along your journey.
Khalid El Jack (24:00):
Thank you so much.
Dr. Jasmine Weiss (24:00):
So you are welcome.
You are welcome.
So thank you everybody againfor tuning in to the BlackMed
Connect podcast.
We had a great guest today,callit L Jack, or, as I should
say, future Dr L Jack very, verysoon, and if you want to check
us out, I got a few things Ineed you to do.
If you haven't done so already,please subscribe to BlackMed
(24:23):
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(24:44):
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So until next time, alwaysremember I'm Dr Weiss, remember
to dream without limits and wewill see you on the next episode
.
Bye.
We hope you enjoyed this week'sepisode with future Dr Khaled L
Jack, part two of his interview, where we explored all about
(25:07):
his entity with med school pro,the discord community that he
has, and we talked about whatit's like to Build something
like this while you're a medstudent.
So if you enjoyed this episode,then make sure you check out
the bonus that I'm gonna sharewith you now.
So if you watch the entireepisode, then we have a special
(25:28):
bonus for you.
So, khaled, I'll let you sharewhat that bonus is with our
audience.
Khalid El Jack (25:32):
Thank you, dr Weiss.
We're giving away our pre-medguide that we've created.
So this is a 24 page guidecreated by me, my classmate and
the med school bro team specifichighlights in it.
We have a MCAT study schedulein there.
We have my own personalstatement that I applied to
medical school with.
We also have an example of amedical school secondary that I
(25:55):
used to apply to medical schooland screenshots of my activity
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