June 23, 2025 • 42 mins
The adventure of hunting new terrain in unfamiliar states offers a special kind of challenge and reward that many hunters find irresistible. In this episode, Aaron and Dave break down the essential components of planning a successful DIY out-of-state hunt, drawing from years of personal experience across multiple species and states.
Planning emerges as the cornerstone of a successful DIY venture, with both hosts recommending at least a year of preparation for best results. This timeline allows hunters to thoroughly research everything from seasonal patterns to license requirements, while building in flexibility for unexpected changes. The conversation explores how the time of year dramatically influences hunting strategy—whether focusing on water sources during hot early seasons or food sources and shelter during late seasons.
Beyond timing, the hosts dive into the practical logistics that many first-timers overlook: locating cold storage and processors before arrival, understanding complicated interstate transport regulations for harvested animals, and navigating the increasingly costly landscape of non-resident hunting permits. Dave shares valuable insights about how states are managing hunting pressure through higher fees and limited unit access for non-residents.
The transportation debate between driving and flying receives particular attention, with a thoughtful breakdown of the true costs associated with each approach. While driving offers unlimited gear capacity and flexibility, flying might actually prove more economical and time-efficient when accounting for all expenses and time constraints. The hosts provide insider tips on airline baggage policies that could save hunters significant money when transporting gear and meat.
Throughout the discussion runs a common thread of wisdom: define what success means to you before departing. Whether it's filling a tag or simply experiencing new country, the memories and adventures created often prove more valuable than any trophy. This perspective keeps the joy of hunting at the forefront, even amid the necessary preparation and planning.
Ready to expand your hunting horizons? Subscribe now and check out our upcoming episode in January about how to effectively communicate with hunting outfitters and guides.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to the Blacktail Coach Podcast.
I'm Aaron and I'm Dave, so thisweek we're going to talk about
a DIY out-of-state hunt.
So probably the best person toget a lot of this information is
Randy Newberg, because that'swhat he's known for, that's his
specialty.
That's his specialty of doingout-of-state DIY Instead of if
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you're not going, with a guide.
These are some of the thingsthat you've learned because
you've done a lot ofout-of-state both guided and
unguided hunts, and we're goingto do an episode, probably early
, I would say early January.
We're going to do an episode ofhow to talk to a guide or an
outfitter, like questions to ask, because if you've never done
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anything like that, you knowyou're new to hunting or you've
been hunting your whole life.
You've always wanted to go outof state to hunt you know,
whitetail or a big mule, deer orelk or whatever it might be,
but you just don't know what theright questions are to ask from
the guide.
So we'll cover that.
Probably, I'd say early january.
(01:05):
We'll be shooting for anepisode for that right before
the shows start, which is whywe're pushing that off.
But out-of-state hunts for thediy what species have you done
and what states have you hunted?
Boy, I've done elk bear deerantelope for just I know you've
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done antelope as well.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Antelope was a guided hunt, you're right.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
When I say deer whitetail, mule, deer blacktail,
elk, rocky mountain elk, bearblack bear.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
And you've done Montana Idaho.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, Oregon, I would say when I first got started,
like Western or EasternWashington, because that was
kind of the first.
You know how am I going to dothis kind of?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
thing Okay yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
And then so yeah, eastern Washington, oregon,
idaho, montana, let's see NorthDakota, ohio, kansas, just a lot
Soon to be California, soon tobe California.
Soon to be California.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Wyoming.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Wyoming yeah, just a lot of states.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Okay, so when do you start planning for those hunts
Typically, and what's theprocess for planning those out?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I like to start at least a year in advance.
Okay, you know, because it'sjust a lot of, and I'm not
saying you have to do it thatway.
I mean, I've done as early as,like you know, three months.
But when you do it a year inadvance, you cover all your
bases, because it's kind of likeyou know how you're going to
pack for a long trip and youstart packing like weeks in
advance, you know, and then astime gets closer, you're adding
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more stuff that you didn't thinkof initially and stuff.
It's kind of like that whenyou're doing a DIY out of state,
because you're trying toresource information from
different avenues, and avenuesthat you didn't think of at
first somehow pop up along theway and you start going now,
Well then you kind of redirect.
It makes you change your mind alittle bit here and there.
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Maybe it's on gear, maybe it'son location, maybe it's.
You know the type of huntingyou're going to do, whether it's
a spot and stock or sit ambushstyle or you know.
However you want to do, thatwhatever you feel gives you the
greater opportunity to fill yourtag.
And so I like to start at leasta year in advance, but you can
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do as early as three months, youknow.
But you really got to buckledown If you want to be
successful you've really got tobuckle down and do your homework
.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Now is there a big difference between going and I
don't know if you've ever done ahunt like an out-of-state hunt
by your like, absolutely byyourself first time just going
out by yourself, versus you'reusually going with a group of
guys yeah, at least one otherguy.
Yeah, one other friend now isthere and maybe they've already
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hunted that particular area andthat's why you're going, or
nobody's ever hunted that area.
So what are the differences asfar as the learning curve there?
well, that's a good question andI and I'm asking this, so I am
going to do my first out ofstate hunt, not this year but
next year.
I kind of pushed it off becausealex had invited me to go along
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for his mule deer hunt inColorado Right Mule deer is like
the one thing other thanblacktail, and because I'm
hunting blacktail here inWashington, I won't hunt mule
deer here in.
Washington, right, right.
I just you don't want to giveup that.
I don't want to give up becausewe get one deer, yeah, and I
want to do blacktail, especiallybeing new to it and everything.
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I don't want to take a year off,but so he invited me to his
Colorado mule deer hunt and soin a couple of years, well, if I
have any questions, I get toask him.
But I imagine, like, when youdon't have that and I think
that's what we're going to talkabout is you don't have that
resource of somebody who's goneseveral times?
How do you figure things outand stuff?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
So the first thing that I start thinking about is
what time of year am I going?
Okay, so I'm archery, I doeverything archery.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
And that's just because that's what I love.
Some people are opportunistsand what I mean by that is is
that they're going to.
If they feel they can draw abetter tag by going rifle, they
go rifle, you know.
And to each his own, you know.
But like for me, doing archery,it's like okay.
So what season am I going?
Am I going early season?
Am I going late season?
Because that's going todetermine my strategy right off
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the bat.
For instance, we're going to godown to California this year
and hunt Northern California andit's going to be middle of
August, through, you know, firsthalf of September, and it's
like, well, that's going to bethe really hot months.
Yeah, Water is definitely goingto play a role in how I'm going
to hunt.
As far as you know, if I wantto do an ambush style or a spot
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and stalk, I need to locatewater, because I'm not going to
be the only one thirsty outthere.
The animals are going to bethirsty too and I need to find,
and that's how I've done, likemy antelope hunt in Wyoming when
I went there, that was on waterand it's just an ambush style
and whatnot.
So if I'm going in wintertime,you know, late season water
doesn't play such a heavy role,then you know, but it's more
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about cover and getting out ofstorms and where the last food
sources that these animals couldyou know?
What are they going to berelying on?
And that would determine a lotof where I'm going to start my
scouting and whatnot.
And so, yeah, so I firstdetermine what time of year I'm
going and then after that, it'swell, what weapon am I using?
How close do I have to be?
What's my range?
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You know, yeah, and if I amusing a rifle, well then my
range is extended quite a bit,you know, and it's like, well, I
don't have to be on top of them.
I can scout from a distance andstill kill from that same
scouting location, whereas ifI'm doing archery, I can still
scout from a distance, but Ihave to get closer.
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I have to figure out a way toget in there.
I got to mine my entries and myexits.
You know what I mean.
Like we do here, and so youstart plotting out okay, so this
ridge line, the way to approachthis, given the prevailing wind
, is probably from this side,that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah.
So actually and I just thoughtabout this that if you were
going to go and do a riflebecause you primarily hunt
archery that brings up anotherthing that you then have to
think of and like what's yourrange?
Well, you know, it's fairlyeasy, I know with the rifle
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you've got probably up to 200,300 yards, but if you want to go
any further, you then have tostart practicing with a rifle,
right, yeah?
Either way even if it's in 200yards, you still need to go out
and put some rounds through yourrifle, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
But if it's say you were going to go down to Eastern
Oregon, well, you know, a 5,700, maybe even up to 1,000-yard
shot is doable because of howopen it is.
But you've got to figure outbeing.
We're in Western Washington,where do you go to practice a
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thousand yard shot in WesternWashington?
Right right, you can't really.
There's not really any placeshere where it's safe to practice
those shots, or even a 500 yard.
You know, and I've had friendswho've figured out ways to do
longer shots.
But that might mean before yougo you might have to go over to
that area or something andpractice.
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You know it might be a lot moregoing over and scouting and
stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Right, right, and you know.
Another thing is timeconstraint.
What am I looking at?
As far as the time constraint,you know, do I have, how many
days do I have to make it happen?
And, given that, you know, howmuch scouting do I need to do to
supplement the time that Idon't have over there?
As far as for the hunt Fineexample, you know I used to
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Eastern Oregon elk hunt you know, for over 20 years and stuff,
and there were times where Iwould take the whole month of
September.
My job that I had at that timegranted me that opportunity that
I would take the whole month ofSeptember off and stay over
there and I'd come back, youknow, one or two days throughout
the month and that granted me alot of opportunities to be able
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to not have to spend so muchtime scouting because I could
make the mistakes and still comeback the next day, or you know.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Versus.
You know, when I went toWyoming, say, the first time, I
had five days to make it happenand two tags to fill.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
And it being further away, you don't have the
opportunity to go out and scout,to go over and do a ton of
scouting, or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, it being further away, you don't have the
opportunity to go over and do aton of scouting or anything
like that, yeah.
So time constraint you got toknow what you're limited to and
the less time I have over thehunt means that I need to spend
more time scouting to compensatefor that small hunt.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Which again going out to Wyoming, which again going
out to Wyoming.
You might be able to squeeze acouple of long weekends Right,
because it's driving out therenonstop a very long day of
driving, or you can't reallyeven do two days.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
You've got to have multiple people and the long
drive out and the long driveback and it's long, intense days
of scouting.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I mean you're actually taking notes and you're
taking I mean you're actuallytaking notes and you're, you
know you're coming back andyou're kind of going over them
and everything, but it's, it'svery intense, purposeful days as
far as what you would, you haveplanned out and that's, I would
say, like wyoming from here.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
That's a that's a very long day of driving oh, but
it's doable in in a day, ormontana it's doable.
You can get to montana, montana, within a day, a long day of
driving yeah but there are someplaces, like if you're going to
north dakota from washington oryou know, midwest or even
further, where it's multipledays, well, that decreases the
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chance of you being able toscout, unless you're going to
fly out.
Rent a car, go do scouting.
So, then the cost.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
And then that's where the financial side of it comes
into.
What am I looking at forfinances and stuff?
Because a lot of us are on abudget.
I mean there's not a lot ofguys out there doing the super
slam, you know what I mean.
And the reason is is because ittakes money to do that.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
I just went on a on a bear hunt in Manitoba and one
of the guys at the camp is isdoing he's like seven animals
away from completing his superslam.
Oh nice, yeah, it was verygreat guy.
Love spending time with himtalking about that kind of stuff
.
But you realize that that's ayears long process.
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Yeah, that's decades for a lotof guys and it's a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
And it's a lot of money.
But it also gets into and Ijust thought about this that if
you've got to take a couple offlights out there to do scouting
, if you're trying to do the DIYand then a couple or maybe then
it's the long drive out thereor flying out there and trying
to get all your gear out thereand the extra expenses with that
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, it might then start rivaling,because I think a lot of the DIY
now it could be.
I want to do this on my own andthat's the trophy.
I did this completely on my ownversus a guide, but cost-wise
it might be.
You're trying to avoid that$5,000 price tag for the guide,
but in the long run, beingpenny-wise versus pound-foolish,
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where you just realize you'retrying to save some money but
you end up spending the sameamount of money.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Right, right and maybe even more time.
Sometimes it's more beneficialto go with the guide for that
reason right there, yeah, andagain, that's why, a year in
advance, you start planning andyou start crunching the numbers
and stuff.
And you're right, sometimes itcosts just as much to do DIY as
it would to go with a guide.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, so that's just looking at the big picture of
what you're doing, absolutely sowith gear.
How is that process that you'reremembering everything that you
need to bring?
And let's say you're driving towhere you're going?
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yeah, because we'll talk about the flying later.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
That definitely makes it easier yeah, as far as
remembering so for me, becausewe got a lot of camera gear that
we take and whatnot.
And so that takes up a lot ofspace, and that's always going
to be the issue.
Whether you're driving orflying is space.
So your gear.
I got a guy that plans for theworst In every situation.
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In every situation.
Guy that plans for the worst.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
In every situation.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
In every situation in hopes for the best.
And so we always.
He takes so much gear.
It's good and it's bad.
I mean, I just can't live in aplace of worry, you know.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
And so it just you got to plan, but don't over plan
to the point where it's takingaway from the fun of the hunt.
Be safe, Don't get me wrong.
Be safe, but enjoy it.
Enjoy the time you have andbefore you even go, I would say,
on a DIY hunt, determine whatyour idea of a successful hunt
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is going to be.
Yeah, Because the reality is isthat you may not fill your tag,
you know, but is that thedefinition of a of a successful
hunt?
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
You know what I mean.
I mean, ultimately, it's tocreate memories and have a good
time.
It's vacation.
It's still vacation.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
And the trophy of.
I did my first DIY out of statehunt yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Or out-of-area hunt yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Because I would say even an out-of-area, it falls
into this category Because, eventhough, like recently, you went
with a friend or a couple yearsago for moose Well, it's a
once-in-a-lifetime hunt inWashington for moose you went
along well, that's a DIY inWashington for moose, you went
along well, that's a DIY.
Right, granted, it was easierto go do scouting, because it's
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granted, it's still aneight-hour drive.
But a whole new species thatyou'd never hunted, Right, you
know, or he'd never hunted.
So yeah, there's a lot to it,even though it was still in
state.
You know a lot of the same typeof thoughts.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
And you've got to plan ahead.
I mean, if we're talkinggear-wise, I mean it's great to
figure out, okay, what I'm goingto need going over, but it's
just as important to figure outwhat I'm going to have coming
back.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Because you may have.
I mean especially with thatmoose.
We had an extra 400 pounds ofmeat in coolers that were empty.
Going over that we werestuffing gear in the coolers.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
That now cannot fit in the coolers.
You know coming back, and sothere's stuff that you've got to
think ahead in that sense, youknow.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Leave room for all the meat you're going to haul
back.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Right Potentially.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Right, and especially if you're going, you know if
there's two or three of you andyou're all able to hunt whatever
the species is.
So you've got three guysbringing back a mule deer, you
know.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Versus.
There's just a lot of room thatyou might need that you didn't
go out with.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Right, right, I met with my buddy.
We went up to Manitoba herejust recently on a bear hunt
Hawthorne Outfitters in Manitobaand I flew to Minneapolis
because that's where he lives tomeet him and we were going to
take a truck, his son-in-law'struck.
He was going to loan us that.
We're going to take that upthere and I get out there and
through a series of events wedidn't get the truck and here we
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are driving up there in thissedan with all of our gear and
everything, and I'm thinking tomyself are you kidding me?
Might as well be a yugo orsomething, and the old little
honda civics, you know, justloaded to the gills with gear,
going through the, the borderand customs and everything it
was.
It was kind of comical, but youknow we made it happen and but
it took planning.
You know, as far as again, whatwe were saying about coming
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back with meat because we wentup there with no bears.
We had tags.
We didn't have bears.
We came back with bears.
Yeah, you know, and so therewas.
You have to plan for that.
You have to assume that one ofyou, or possibly both of you, is
going to fill a tag.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Now some things to consider.
So you were going for bears soyou could bring the meat back.
But Washington, there's a lotof states and a lot of provinces
up in Canada where ungulates ifyou're hunting for an ungulate
so moose, elk, deer you mightnot be able to bring back
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anything with you except formaybe deboned meat or I can't
remember.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
It might even be fully processed yeah, it has to
be full, it has to be processed.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
If it's from especially cwd and it's a new
thing to to consider.
It might be where you have toleave it with the tax or the a
butcher there to have it alldone, or that's extra time, but
usually it's like a couple ofweeks to for the butcher to
finish everything but ataxidermist, a local taxidermist
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, because you can't bring itback in to the state, right, but
it's knowing your species,right, right, and is this a cwd
thing where you have to considerall of that stuff?
Speaker 2 (18:16):
right.
So if washington, like you said, it's new to all of that stuff,
right.
So if Washington, like you said, is new to all of this, so it's
new to a lot of guys as far aswhat needs to happen and stuff.
You can't bring your hides orcapes back into the state unless
they've been sealed, so theyhave to be dropped off at a
taxidermist before you get backin Washington.
So if you're hunting in an area, locate the taxidermist there.
Very first thing that I like todo when I'm going on an
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out-of-state hunt into an areathat I've never been, is I'm
going to locate the nearest coldstorage because I anticipate
getting an animal and regardless, you know, I don't know how big
or how small, but locate a coldstorage, save that process
right off the front, get thatdone and off your mind so that
you're not panicking.
When you got an animal down onthe ground trying to figure out
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where you're going to put thisanimal to get it cooled off,
yeah you know, and it's going tobe a lot easier to to bring
back if it's frozen, whetherit's in coolers or actually
you're, depending on the time ofthe year, it's in the bed of
your truck or whatnot and thendetermine whether or not you can
bring that meat on the boneback into the state.
If not, then you need to locate.
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The second thing you need to do, besides a cold storage, is
locate a butcher to get it done,and you know I typically like
to go in and inform them rightaway.
Hey, I'm out of state.
I'm looking, I may have.
If I get an animal down, howlong would it take you to
process it Is there way, if Ithrew you an extra hundred
dollars, you could process itand get it flash froze or
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whatever you put it in the frontof the line.
Yeah, yeah, get it.
Get all that done ahead of timeagain so you're not panicking
when that animal is down andyou're driving all over from
town to town to town trying tolocate somebody that can.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
They can get you taken care of now, if it's about
the rack, the mount doingtaxidermy, but not about the
meat, like you don't care.
Typically, like a food pantry,they'll take the game meat.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Your butcher will know about any, and the butcher
will know the butcher, generallyknows about any of the food
donations, the programs that thestate has Okay, and they're a
lot more than people realize.
Generally knows about any ofthe food donations that the
programs that the state has okay, and they're a lot more than
people realize.
You know, I know kansas is isvery generous about that.
You have to pay to have itprocessed, okay, but they'll.
They have a program where needyfamilies will reach out to the
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state and the state will grant.
You know them this this meat andstuff, and, and so if you're a
trophy hunter, obviously youdon't want that meat to go to
waste.
You know them, this meat andstuff, and, and so if you're a
trophy hunter, obviously youdon't want that meat to go to
waste, you know, and so thereare a lot of states that have
yeah, there's a lot of statesthat have those programs.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, if you, if you don't need to take the meat back
and it's within your budget toto take care of this, you know
that's bless some other people.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
With what you're, you know, with your hunt Cause, hey
, you're going to be happybecause you got.
You got your animals, so spreadthe wealth.
And I know, like differenttimes of year you mentioned this
it might be how much gear.
So, if you're going and doing alate season, you're bringing
all winter gear.
Well, that's really bulky,that's taking up a lot of room.
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If in your luggage, if, say, ifyou were flying versus if
you're going to do a summer hunt, you've got all small
lightweight gear that could, youcould almost probably fit it
into a carry-on versus a, youknow right, a big giant bag and
that's, I think that's morespecie related and the reason I
say that is because you knowwhen we're hunting Eastern
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Oregon early season for elk.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
There's been several seasons where we've woke up and
there's 10 inches of snow on theground and it was 95 to 98
degrees the day before.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
The day before.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
And you get up and you know, because we're up in
the Blue Mountains, you know,all of a sudden we got 10 inches
of snow and then two days laterit's back in the 90s.
So you kind of have to planagain.
Location Elevation plays a hugerole and September is a tricky
month because in the mountainsit can turn on a dime Versus.
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Well, kansas in September, wellyou're, well Kansas, you know,
in September, Well, you're notgoing to get a snowstorm in
Kansas.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
No.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Not in September.
You know what I mean, but youknow November.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
But if you're doing any, say, spring hunts, turkey
or bear, that can then factor inas well, because you just don't
know, yep, Depending on yourelevation, you could be in a
snowstorm, mm-hmm yeah, and theytypically don't last very long.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
It's a day or two.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
So if you don't have the gear, you're going to miss a
day or two hunting.
If you have the gear, you'regoing to keep going and still
you know, either way you canhave fun.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
But just know that that's a variable, that's in
those type of hunts yeah, butone of those lots of stuff that
you have to that you might nothave considered, especially
first time, and you aren't, you?
Sometimes you don't know thequestions you should ask, right,
right, and so this is that'sthe point of this is what.
What are the questions I shouldbe asking myself, or or others?
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yeah so you know we we've goneinto talking about data hunting.
You know, recently we talkedabout into talking about data
hunting.
You know, recently we talkedabout using your data and of
course you always call the gamebiologist in that area.
So we won't really get intothat because I think everybody
you know knows that.
But there's different thingsabout license tags, hunter, ed
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requirements.
You talked about archeryrequirements.
Talk about like that wholeprocess of figuring that out.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Some states.
So when you apply or if youdraw on that area, some states
require you to have your huntereducation card on you or proof
of hunter's education.
Some states because I archeryhunt require bow hunters
education cards, and so you youneed to figure that out well in
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advance before you head outthere and stuff, because that
can be a little bit of a awaiting period if you're trying
to get your stuff from the stateagain a year ahead, is it?
gives you plenty of time to dothat and stuff, and so that's
something that I always like tocheck out.
More and more states are goingto the bowhunter's education
(24:26):
card and wanting you to havethat.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
So if Washington doesn't do bowhunter's education
, how would someone fromWashington?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
There are people in If you call up the state okay
archery association.
They can put you in contactwith somebody who teaches bull
hunters education okay, so youcan still get certified yes,
yeah, that way and stuff.
So I believe every, every state, archery state association will
have some kind of contactinformation for you to do
(24:57):
something like that.
And then, uh, for likewashington, you can get a a hard
plastic credit card style, type, copy card of of your hunter's
ed, hunter's ed.
Yeah, I know when I took it whenI was a kid.
You got the little cardboard,yeah, perforated, you know,
because it got tore off sayingthat you did it.
(25:19):
But yeah, that didn't last.
I was 13, 12, 11, 12 years old,I think, is when you could yeah
and yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
That didn't last long we did it as far as in boy
scouts, we all went and got ourhunter's ed, but then, being
that was 40 years ago, yeah,yeah now like I had to go
through hunter's ed againbecause they didn't keep those
records.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yeah.
Or, you know, because it wasn'ta big computer system like it
is now, which is shocking,because you put that card in the
hands of a 12-year-old boy youwould think that they'd just put
it right in their wallet andtake good care of it, Take good
care of it.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
You know Right next to their social security card.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
No.
So something I just recentlylearned is some and a lot of
states, or a few states, arecertain to do this now is if you
go do over-the-counter so youcan put in for draws for
out-of-state hunts.
Mm-hmm draws for out-of-statehunts.
(26:23):
But if you're doingover-the-counter hunts, just
walk like you drive over there,you just, and you go to buy your
license and license and tagsand everything that you are
limited as an out-of-stateperson to certain units.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
So they've kind of forced all the out-of-state guys
and and women who are outhunting these into certain, into
pockets, and don't let themspill over into other yeah, that
, that's one way of of a statemanaging yeah, they're kind of
recognizing that that herdnumbers, whether it be deer or
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elk or whatever, are starting todiminish and so one way of of
curbing that is to either limitthe amount of non-resident tags
they give out or limit the areathat non-resident hunters can
hunt in, and even limit the area, the units that non-resident
(27:15):
hunters can put in for as far asdraws, they're doing that now
too, oh.
But I know that, like Utah Iheard this just the other day
non-resident hunters can put infor as far as draws.
They're doing that now too, oh,you know.
But I know that, like Utah Iheard this just the other day
Utah has doubled all of theirnon-resident prices just across
the board.
Everything is doubled it doesn'tmatter if it's a draw hunt, it
doesn't matter.
Elk, deer, everythingnon-resident has doubled.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah, and you said off air like an elk, now is
$2,400.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
It, yeah, and you said off air like an elk.
Now is $2,400.
It's over $2,000 just for anover-the-counter elk tag.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Yeah, which then, is getting into?
Because even if you were doinga guide, that's not included in
the guidance cost.
No, no, it's not so you knowone of those things to consider
that might push you into noteven going to Utah, unless it's
just a dream.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
I mean Colorado, has upped their non-resident fees.
I believe Nevada.
I mean a lot of them haveDidn't Oregon.
Yep Oregon has gone up.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
California is cheap.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
In comparison to a lot of the states now.
There's a lot of states for outof state and it's got a lot to
do with predation.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah.
So states now there's a lot ofstates, yeah, and it's got a lot
to do with predation, yeah, so,although, anecdotally, I have a
friend who hunts blacktail downin blacktail mule deer down in
california and he said that theywent out and a game warden
because they were like we justdidn't see any deer this year
and she had mentioned thatparticular game warden or it was
(28:39):
a ranger park ranger, somethinglike that said that the the
wolves were down in there, eventhough they're officially not
down there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, yeah, something to consider.
So let's now talk about thepros and cons of getting there.
So driving versus flying, youhave to consider, consider the
amount of time you have,depending on how far that's at
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least adding two days to yourhunt.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
So you know, if you're taking a full week off,
that might give you where youmight be able to drive for a
couple days.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Right, right, and then yeah, and again it goes
back to crunching the numbersbecause everybody wants to think
that, oh, flying is so muchmore expensive.
You know when you stop and youthink about the gas that you're
going to put in not just goingthere, but coming back as well.
You're going to stop for foodbecause you're on the road
longer, so you're going to eatmore meals, you just are.
(29:35):
You're going to eat more mealsyou just are and then possibly
one or two nights, stay in amotel.
If you don't have a seconddriver to drive through the
night, or you don't trust thesecond driver to drive through
the night, you're going to endup sleeping on the side of the
road, which isn't very safeanymore, or you're going to get
a motel and there's nothingcheap out there anymore.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
No.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
So I mean you got to start thinking about it in that
sense where it's like, okay, amI really that far ahead?
And then, on the flip side ofthe coin, it's okay, how am I
getting my meat back Flying?
I just went to Manitoba.
I told you, met my buddy inMinneapolis, we drove up, hunted
, both filled our tags, droveback to Minneapolis and then I
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had to fly my meat Some of yourmeat, yeah, not even all of it.
Yeah, as much as I could get.
50 pounds worth.
It ended up being 54 pounds andinstead of costing me a couple
hundred, it was $480.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Yeah, because then it gets not only the extra bag fee
, which is $150 to $200,depending on the airline, but
typically it's $200.
But if you go overweight it'sanother $200 on top of that $200
.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Right.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
And then you're also paying for your first two bags
that's your bow, and then a bagfull of gear and you get your
carry-on and whatnot.
And this is what happened.
Where you put into a duffel itwas 53 pounds of meat.
I took it up to the butcher foryou.
Well, when you get to theairport and you realize you're
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overweight, you're eitherleaving it all there, right,
because it's frozen.
Because it's frozen, it's notlike you're going to saw three
pounds there in the airport infront of the Gallup, you start
passing out.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Here's some raw bear meat, have at it, yeah.
So I mean there's a little bit.
I mean again pros and cons toboth, you know.
So you just weigh those thingsout.
Had I been under the 50 pounds,it would have cost me $235,
which is not bad, and gladly paythat to get that back here and
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everything, but my cape and myhead are still up there.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
They're still up in Manitoba.
They're still up in.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Manitoba.
They're at Taxidermist up thereand when I go back in two
years'll pick it up and andbring it home.
But a lot of this stuff isstuff that you just got to think
and don't don't let itoverwhelm you that that year in
advance gives you time to getthis stuff sorted out and this
is supposed to be a fun trip, sodon't let it overwhelm you.
Enjoy it.
(32:11):
Line up this stuff, save up themoney you got a year, make it
happen, do whatever you want.
If you want to drive out there,take the extra couple days off
to drive out there to and fromon the front end and on the back
end, you know.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Because then you don't necessarily have to
prioritize your gear.
You're flying, you'reprioritizing gear and you were
out there with Asha out in thegarage for a couple three hours
on a couple different nights.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Figured well, okay, I can't take that Right.
And then you've got to.
Once you get all the gear inthere, you've got to weigh your
bag.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Because even if it's one of your two-check bags, it
might be 80 bucks for thosetwo-check bags.
If you go overweight, youyou're gonna add 200 bucks going
out and then coming back right,right.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
So you have to be like under that 50 pounds when
you're flying, you're taking theessentials and you're breaking
it down to the bare boneessentials because, there was a
lot of camera gear that I wouldhave loved to have had had out
there, that I didn't takebecause it just wasn't feasible
and not like it's big cameragear.
I mean, we got small stuff andwhatnot for filming recoveries
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and two angles for the shot.
All this stuff that just didn'tgo on this trip.
Yeah, you know, and I wouldhave loved to have had it, the
drone, but it just didn't.
It wasn't feasible given thespace that I had and whatnot,
and at the same time, drivingout there wasn't an option
either because I couldn't getthat much time off work.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yeah, Because that's.
Minneapolis is definitely atwo-day drive.
It's a two-day drive yeah,especially if you're going to go
do it on your own.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
And then driving up Manitoba is another 12 hours.
Yeah, so it was like I'm 55.
At my age, that would have beennice to see the country.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
It would have been nice just to do the road trip.
I'd love to do that road trip.
Yeah, yeah, I'd just go just tobe your driver.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Right, that's the things that you've got to figure
out when you're planning thiswhole thing.
How is this trip going to bememorable for you?
Are you going to want to getthere as fast as you can and
spend as much time as you canwith your buddies, or are you
going to make it an adventurefrom beginning to end?
And it's different foreverybody.
(34:28):
So take the time to figure itout and make memories, however
you want to do it.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
And some guys have a lot of time off from their work.
So, being able to, I'm justgoing to do two full weeks, yeah
, and take two weeks off, andjust I'll drive out there and
and have a a good trip out towherever I'm going and then have
a good trip coming back andthen one thing that I see a lot
of guys they don't think about,aaron, is the time zones, if
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you're flying the time zones.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
So on this particular trip we went out and we got in,
stand about 2 o'clock and youhunted till 10.15, because it
was daylight in Manitoba, till10.15.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Well, time zones, but how far?
Because you went really farnorth.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Right, right, but what I'm saying is that okay?
So then I got on that schedulewhere we're eating dinner at
1130 midnight every night, okay,and then after the hunt's over,
then I'm driving down toMinneapolis and flying back here
and then having to get up andgo to work the next day.
Some jet lag.
Yeah, serious jet, lag thosetime zones, that that change and
(35:34):
what you get, that sleepschedule that you get on.
You got to weigh that in therebecause I ended up taking an
extra day at the end just so Icould recover yeah you know, and
it's like well, that wasn'tplanned, that's my fault, but
that's definitely something youhave to take into consideration
when you're doing these huntsyou know it's funny that you
mentioned that.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
So we're all going to disney world here in a couple
of weeks, you and asha and thekids, and I'm going with you
guys.
I've gone a bunch of times, soI like going to disney, disney
world and disneyland.
But that actually factors inthat why I said we need to have
an open day, the first day weget there, where we don't do
anything, because having goneout there a few times, I know
(36:18):
you're just dragging that firstday and to just hit the ground
running, like I'll do it anyway,just because.
So my other podcast I thinkI've mentioned other podcasts
it's a Disney-related podcast.
Well, I'll hit the groundrunning because it's my thing,
but realizing the group I'mgoing with and yeah, it's just,
(36:43):
you got to consider that Also.
So, getting back on topic, oneof the things also to consider
and this just popped into myhead and I think it was just
international flights.
But I remember Delta, so I flyDelta a lot because I have the
air miles card and everything.
Well, it used to be and I don'tknow if it is anymore that and
(37:06):
I think it was justinternational flights If you had
a first class or a businessclass ticket and, granted,
that's a few thousand dollars,but it might be a consideration
if you're going to go do thatonce in a lifetime Africa.
Or a business class ticket and,granted, that's a few thousand
dollars, but it might be aconsideration if you're going to
go do that once-in-a-lifetimeAfrica hunt, if you do a first
class ticket.
So, coach might be, you'recarrying on for free and your
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two bags might cost you 100bucks, first class, and they're
50-pound bags First class itused to be.
You got three free check bagsand that your weight limit went
up to 70 pounds.
So instead of being limitedlike 100 pounds a gear for 80
bucks, it was 210 pounds a gearfor free.
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Now granted, it's the differencebetween, maybe, a $2,000 ticket
and a $5,000 ticket, but it'ssomething to consider that if
this is a once-in-a-lifetimehunt, but it might be something
similar that it might be worthjumping up to domestically.
Look at your airline thatyou're flying and look at what
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if you jump up to a first class,especially if you're the type
of person who uses air miles.
You know you've got that wholesystem down where, like a lot of
times, I used to buy my ticketwith air miles and then I'd
upgrade to first class, flyingback and forth when I lived in
la up to here for the price of aregular ticket, I could fly
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first class.
Well, that changes your checkbag allowance so you can
potentially bring more stuff.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
but look at your airline and that might help you
with considering maybe whichairline you fly, or and I got to
be honest and it's funny youmentioned that, because I think
guys don't realize the firstthing they start thinking when
you start mentioningout-of-state hunts, whether it's
guided or diy or whatever it isis they're looking at that bill
(39:04):
for the hunt, yeah, and they'rethinking, wow, that's a lot,
you know well, maybe we candrive over and do it ourselves.
I'm telling you guys, a lot oftimes it's a wash as far as what
you spend for your fuel andyour food and all that stuff,
versus a plane ticket.
A plane ticket, you know, a lotof times it comes out to be a
(39:25):
wash and you could have flown.
And you know, especially in theStates, you can ship your stuff
back a lot easier than you can.
You know, like Canada Right now, for me to ship my bear skull
and the hide and all that, withfreight being what it is, with
everything that's going on withthe tariffs and whatnot, it's
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like $400 to $600.
Whereas in the States I couldhave just shipped that back, you
know, $50.
Yeah, and it would have beenhere and it's been no big deal,
it wouldn't have added to myairline any of that stuff and so
do your homework, I would say,on this DIY stuff, and you'll
find that if you really crunchthe numbers and stuff, you'll
find that a lot of times it allevens out.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Yeah.
So it's pretty much kind of, Iwould say, say, figure out what
your budget is and if you have ayear out, you've got time to
when do I need to spend themoney?
But figure out what yourbudget's going to be and work
backwards from that yeah andthat's a lot of times how I do
it.
Okay, I've got maybe you've gotfive thousand dollars total.
(40:29):
Okay, well, here's your setcost and here's and here's where
I get to play around with somedifferent things and stuff.
So, you know, could I do thefirst class ticket to get extra
baggage, or maybe saves a littlebit, and then you get to fly
first class.
There's also that.
Yeah, leg room and all thatstuff you know you got more leg
room, a little more comfortable,Right you know, especially if
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you're going to be on a four orfive hour flight and you've just
been hunting for the last weekand you just you're exhausted?
Speaker 2 (41:01):
yeah, and you don't want to be crammed back with the
cattle and the.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
You know the back, so we don't usually where I'm at.
We all know how that goes.
So anyway, I think we'vecovered most everything.
Getting to meet, home,taxidermy, it's just finding
those.
Finding what you need to dothere.
Finding what you need to dowhen you come back.
So thanks for joining us and wewill talk to you next week.
Welcome back to the Blacktail Coach Podcast.
I'm Aaron and I'm Dave, so thisweek we're going to talk about
a DIY out-of-state hunt.
So probably the best person toget a lot of this information is
Randy Newberg, because that'swhat he's known for, that's his
specialty.
That's his specialty of doingout-of-state DIY Instead of if
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you're not going, with a guide.
These are some of the thingsthat you've learned because
you've done a lot ofout-of-state both guided and
unguided hunts, and we're goingto do an episode, probably early
, I would say early January.
We're going to do an episode ofhow to talk to a guide or an
outfitter, like questions to ask, because if you've never done
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anything like that, you knowyou're new to hunting or you've
been hunting your whole life.
You've always wanted to go outof state to hunt you know,
whitetail or a big mule, deer orelk or whatever it might be,
but you just don't know what theright questions are to ask from
the guide.
So we'll cover that.
Probably, I'd say early january.
(01:05):
We'll be shooting for anepisode for that right before
the shows start, which is whywe're pushing that off.
But out-of-state hunts for thediy what species have you done
and what states have you hunted?
Boy, I've done elk bear deerantelope for just I know you've
(01:25):
done antelope as well.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Antelope was a guided hunt, you're right.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
When I say deer whitetail, mule, deer blacktail,
elk, rocky mountain elk, bearblack bear.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
And you've done Montana Idaho.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, Oregon, I would say when I first got started,
like Western or EasternWashington, because that was
kind of the first.
You know how am I going to dothis kind of?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
thing Okay yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
And then so yeah, eastern Washington, oregon,
idaho, montana, let's see NorthDakota, ohio, kansas, just a lot
Soon to be California, soon tobe California.
Soon to be California.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Wyoming.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Wyoming yeah, just a lot of states.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Okay, so when do you start planning for those hunts
Typically, and what's theprocess for planning those out?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I like to start at least a year in advance.
Okay, you know, because it'sjust a lot of, and I'm not
saying you have to do it thatway.
I mean, I've done as early as,like you know, three months.
But when you do it a year inadvance, you cover all your
bases, because it's kind of likeyou know how you're going to
pack for a long trip and youstart packing like weeks in
advance, you know, and then astime gets closer, you're adding
(02:45):
more stuff that you didn't thinkof initially and stuff.
It's kind of like that whenyou're doing a DIY out of state,
because you're trying toresource information from
different avenues, and avenuesthat you didn't think of at
first somehow pop up along theway and you start going now,
Well then you kind of redirect.
It makes you change your mind alittle bit here and there.
(03:06):
Maybe it's on gear, maybe it'son location, maybe it's.
You know the type of huntingyou're going to do, whether it's
a spot and stock or sit ambushstyle or you know.
However you want to do, thatwhatever you feel gives you the
greater opportunity to fill yourtag.
And so I like to start at leasta year in advance, but you can
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do as early as three months, youknow.
But you really got to buckledown If you want to be
successful you've really got tobuckle down and do your homework
.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Now is there a big difference between going and I
don't know if you've ever done ahunt like an out-of-state hunt
by your like, absolutely byyourself first time just going
out by yourself, versus you'reusually going with a group of
guys yeah, at least one otherguy.
Yeah, one other friend now isthere and maybe they've already
(04:00):
hunted that particular area andthat's why you're going, or
nobody's ever hunted that area.
So what are the differences asfar as the learning curve there?
well, that's a good question andI and I'm asking this, so I am
going to do my first out ofstate hunt, not this year but
next year.
I kind of pushed it off becausealex had invited me to go along
(04:21):
for his mule deer hunt inColorado Right Mule deer is like
the one thing other thanblacktail, and because I'm
hunting blacktail here inWashington, I won't hunt mule
deer here in.
Washington, right, right.
I just you don't want to giveup that.
I don't want to give up becausewe get one deer, yeah, and I
want to do blacktail, especiallybeing new to it and everything.
(04:51):
I don't want to take a year off,but so he invited me to his
Colorado mule deer hunt and soin a couple of years, well, if I
have any questions, I get toask him.
But I imagine, like, when youdon't have that and I think
that's what we're going to talkabout is you don't have that
resource of somebody who's goneseveral times?
How do you figure things outand stuff?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
So the first thing that I start thinking about is
what time of year am I going?
Okay, so I'm archery, I doeverything archery.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
And that's just because that's what I love.
Some people are opportunistsand what I mean by that is is
that they're going to.
If they feel they can draw abetter tag by going rifle, they
go rifle, you know.
And to each his own, you know.
But like for me, doing archery,it's like okay.
So what season am I going?
Am I going early season?
Am I going late season?
Because that's going todetermine my strategy right off
(05:31):
the bat.
For instance, we're going to godown to California this year
and hunt Northern California andit's going to be middle of
August, through, you know, firsthalf of September, and it's
like, well, that's going to bethe really hot months.
Yeah, Water is definitely goingto play a role in how I'm going
to hunt.
As far as you know, if I wantto do an ambush style or a spot
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and stalk, I need to locatewater, because I'm not going to
be the only one thirsty outthere.
The animals are going to bethirsty too and I need to find,
and that's how I've done, likemy antelope hunt in Wyoming when
I went there, that was on waterand it's just an ambush style
and whatnot.
So if I'm going in wintertime,you know, late season water
doesn't play such a heavy role,then you know, but it's more
(06:17):
about cover and getting out ofstorms and where the last food
sources that these animals couldyou know?
What are they going to berelying on?
And that would determine a lotof where I'm going to start my
scouting and whatnot.
And so, yeah, so I firstdetermine what time of year I'm
going and then after that, it'swell, what weapon am I using?
How close do I have to be?
What's my range?
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You know, yeah, and if I amusing a rifle, well then my
range is extended quite a bit,you know, and it's like, well, I
don't have to be on top of them.
I can scout from a distance andstill kill from that same
scouting location, whereas ifI'm doing archery, I can still
scout from a distance, but Ihave to get closer.
(06:58):
I have to figure out a way toget in there.
I got to mine my entries and myexits.
You know what I mean.
Like we do here, and so youstart plotting out okay, so this
ridge line, the way to approachthis, given the prevailing wind
, is probably from this side,that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah.
So actually and I just thoughtabout this that if you were
going to go and do a riflebecause you primarily hunt
archery that brings up anotherthing that you then have to
think of and like what's yourrange?
Well, you know, it's fairlyeasy, I know with the rifle
(07:33):
you've got probably up to 200,300 yards, but if you want to go
any further, you then have tostart practicing with a rifle,
right, yeah?
Either way even if it's in 200yards, you still need to go out
and put some rounds through yourrifle, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
But if it's say you were going to go down to Eastern
Oregon, well, you know, a 5,700, maybe even up to 1,000-yard
shot is doable because of howopen it is.
But you've got to figure outbeing.
We're in Western Washington,where do you go to practice a
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thousand yard shot in WesternWashington?
Right right, you can't really.
There's not really any placeshere where it's safe to practice
those shots, or even a 500 yard.
You know, and I've had friendswho've figured out ways to do
longer shots.
But that might mean before yougo you might have to go over to
that area or something andpractice.
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You know it might be a lot moregoing over and scouting and
stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Right, right, and you know.
Another thing is timeconstraint.
What am I looking at?
As far as the time constraint,you know, do I have, how many
days do I have to make it happen?
And, given that, you know, howmuch scouting do I need to do to
supplement the time that Idon't have over there?
As far as for the hunt Fineexample, you know I used to
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Eastern Oregon elk hunt you know, for over 20 years and stuff,
and there were times where Iwould take the whole month of
September.
My job that I had at that timegranted me that opportunity that
I would take the whole month ofSeptember off and stay over
there and I'd come back, youknow, one or two days throughout
the month and that granted me alot of opportunities to be able
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to not have to spend so muchtime scouting because I could
make the mistakes and still comeback the next day, or you know.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Versus.
You know, when I went toWyoming, say, the first time, I
had five days to make it happenand two tags to fill.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
And it being further away, you don't have the
opportunity to go out and scout,to go over and do a ton of
scouting, or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, it being further away, you don't have the
opportunity to go over and do aton of scouting or anything
like that, yeah.
So time constraint you got toknow what you're limited to and
the less time I have over thehunt means that I need to spend
more time scouting to compensatefor that small hunt.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Which again going out to Wyoming, which again going
out to Wyoming.
You might be able to squeeze acouple of long weekends Right,
because it's driving out therenonstop a very long day of
driving, or you can't reallyeven do two days.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
You've got to have multiple people and the long
drive out and the long driveback and it's long, intense days
of scouting.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I mean you're actually taking notes and you're
taking I mean you're actuallytaking notes and you're, you
know you're coming back andyou're kind of going over them
and everything, but it's, it'svery intense, purposeful days as
far as what you would, you haveplanned out and that's, I would
say, like wyoming from here.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
That's a that's a very long day of driving oh, but
it's doable in in a day, ormontana it's doable.
You can get to montana, montana, within a day, a long day of
driving yeah but there are someplaces, like if you're going to
north dakota from washington oryou know, midwest or even
further, where it's multipledays, well, that decreases the
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chance of you being able toscout, unless you're going to
fly out.
Rent a car, go do scouting.
So, then the cost.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
And then that's where the financial side of it comes
into.
What am I looking at forfinances and stuff?
Because a lot of us are on abudget.
I mean there's not a lot ofguys out there doing the super
slam, you know what I mean.
And the reason is is because ittakes money to do that.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
I just went on a on a bear hunt in Manitoba and one
of the guys at the camp is isdoing he's like seven animals
away from completing his superslam.
Oh nice, yeah, it was verygreat guy.
Love spending time with himtalking about that kind of stuff
.
But you realize that that's ayears long process.
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Yeah, that's decades for a lotof guys and it's a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
And it's a lot of money.
But it also gets into and Ijust thought about this that if
you've got to take a couple offlights out there to do scouting
, if you're trying to do the DIYand then a couple or maybe then
it's the long drive out thereor flying out there and trying
to get all your gear out thereand the extra expenses with that
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, it might then start rivaling,because I think a lot of the DIY
now it could be.
I want to do this on my own andthat's the trophy.
I did this completely on my ownversus a guide, but cost-wise
it might be.
You're trying to avoid that$5,000 price tag for the guide,
but in the long run, beingpenny-wise versus pound-foolish,
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where you just realize you'retrying to save some money but
you end up spending the sameamount of money.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Right, right and maybe even more time.
Sometimes it's more beneficialto go with the guide for that
reason right there, yeah, andagain, that's why, a year in
advance, you start planning andyou start crunching the numbers
and stuff.
And you're right, sometimes itcosts just as much to do DIY as
it would to go with a guide.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, so that's just looking at the big picture of
what you're doing, absolutely sowith gear.
How is that process that you'reremembering everything that you
need to bring?
And let's say you're driving towhere you're going?
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yeah, because we'll talk about the flying later.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
That definitely makes it easier yeah, as far as
remembering so for me, becausewe got a lot of camera gear that
we take and whatnot.
And so that takes up a lot ofspace, and that's always going
to be the issue.
Whether you're driving orflying is space.
So your gear.
I got a guy that plans for theworst In every situation.
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In every situation.
Guy that plans for the worst.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
In every situation.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
In every situation in hopes for the best.
And so we always.
He takes so much gear.
It's good and it's bad.
I mean, I just can't live in aplace of worry, you know.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
And so it just you got to plan, but don't over plan
to the point where it's takingaway from the fun of the hunt.
Be safe, Don't get me wrong.
Be safe, but enjoy it.
Enjoy the time you have andbefore you even go, I would say,
on a DIY hunt, determine whatyour idea of a successful hunt
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is going to be.
Yeah, Because the reality is isthat you may not fill your tag,
you know, but is that thedefinition of a of a successful
hunt?
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
You know what I mean.
I mean, ultimately, it's tocreate memories and have a good
time.
It's vacation.
It's still vacation.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
And the trophy of.
I did my first DIY out of statehunt yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Or out-of-area hunt yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Because I would say even an out-of-area, it falls
into this category Because, eventhough, like recently, you went
with a friend or a couple yearsago for moose Well, it's a
once-in-a-lifetime hunt inWashington for moose you went
along well, that's a DIY inWashington for moose, you went
along well, that's a DIY.
Right, granted, it was easierto go do scouting, because it's
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granted, it's still aneight-hour drive.
But a whole new species thatyou'd never hunted, Right, you
know, or he'd never hunted.
So yeah, there's a lot to it,even though it was still in
state.
You know a lot of the same typeof thoughts.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
And you've got to plan ahead.
I mean, if we're talkinggear-wise, I mean it's great to
figure out, okay, what I'm goingto need going over, but it's
just as important to figure outwhat I'm going to have coming
back.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Because you may have.
I mean especially with thatmoose.
We had an extra 400 pounds ofmeat in coolers that were empty.
Going over that we werestuffing gear in the coolers.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
That now cannot fit in the coolers.
You know coming back, and sothere's stuff that you've got to
think ahead in that sense, youknow.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Leave room for all the meat you're going to haul
back.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Right Potentially.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Right, and especially if you're going, you know if
there's two or three of you andyou're all able to hunt whatever
the species is.
So you've got three guysbringing back a mule deer, you
know.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Versus.
There's just a lot of room thatyou might need that you didn't
go out with.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Right, right, I met with my buddy.
We went up to Manitoba herejust recently on a bear hunt
Hawthorne Outfitters in Manitobaand I flew to Minneapolis
because that's where he lives tomeet him and we were going to
take a truck, his son-in-law'struck.
He was going to loan us that.
We're going to take that upthere and I get out there and
through a series of events wedidn't get the truck and here we
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are driving up there in thissedan with all of our gear and
everything, and I'm thinking tomyself are you kidding me?
Might as well be a yugo orsomething, and the old little
honda civics, you know, justloaded to the gills with gear,
going through the, the borderand customs and everything it
was.
It was kind of comical, but youknow we made it happen and but
it took planning.
You know, as far as again, whatwe were saying about coming
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back with meat because we wentup there with no bears.
We had tags.
We didn't have bears.
We came back with bears.
Yeah, you know, and so therewas.
You have to plan for that.
You have to assume that one ofyou, or possibly both of you, is
going to fill a tag.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Now some things to consider.
So you were going for bears soyou could bring the meat back.
But Washington, there's a lotof states and a lot of provinces
up in Canada where ungulates ifyou're hunting for an ungulate
so moose, elk, deer you mightnot be able to bring back
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anything with you except formaybe deboned meat or I can't
remember.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
It might even be fully processed yeah, it has to
be full, it has to be processed.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
If it's from especially cwd and it's a new
thing to to consider.
It might be where you have toleave it with the tax or the a
butcher there to have it alldone, or that's extra time, but
usually it's like a couple ofweeks to for the butcher to
finish everything but ataxidermist, a local taxidermist
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, because you can't bring itback in to the state, right, but
it's knowing your species,right, right, and is this a cwd
thing where you have to considerall of that stuff?
Speaker 2 (18:16):
right.
So if washington, like you said, it's new to all of that stuff,
right.
So if Washington, like you said, is new to all of this, so it's
new to a lot of guys as far aswhat needs to happen and stuff.
You can't bring your hides orcapes back into the state unless
they've been sealed, so theyhave to be dropped off at a
taxidermist before you get backin Washington.
So if you're hunting in an area, locate the taxidermist there.
Very first thing that I like todo when I'm going on an
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out-of-state hunt into an areathat I've never been, is I'm
going to locate the nearest coldstorage because I anticipate
getting an animal and regardless, you know, I don't know how big
or how small, but locate a coldstorage, save that process
right off the front, get thatdone and off your mind so that
you're not panicking.
When you got an animal down onthe ground trying to figure out
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where you're going to put thisanimal to get it cooled off,
yeah you know, and it's going tobe a lot easier to to bring
back if it's frozen, whetherit's in coolers or actually
you're, depending on the time ofthe year, it's in the bed of
your truck or whatnot and thendetermine whether or not you can
bring that meat on the boneback into the state.
If not, then you need to locate.
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The second thing you need to do, besides a cold storage, is
locate a butcher to get it done,and you know I typically like
to go in and inform them rightaway.
Hey, I'm out of state.
I'm looking, I may have.
If I get an animal down, howlong would it take you to
process it Is there way, if Ithrew you an extra hundred
dollars, you could process itand get it flash froze or
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whatever you put it in the frontof the line.
Yeah, yeah, get it.
Get all that done ahead of timeagain so you're not panicking
when that animal is down andyou're driving all over from
town to town to town trying tolocate somebody that can.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
They can get you taken care of now, if it's about
the rack, the mount doingtaxidermy, but not about the
meat, like you don't care.
Typically, like a food pantry,they'll take the game meat.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Your butcher will know about any, and the butcher
will know the butcher, generallyknows about any of the food
donations, the programs that thestate has Okay, and they're a
lot more than people realize.
Generally knows about any ofthe food donations that the
programs that the state has okay, and they're a lot more than
people realize.
You know, I know kansas is isvery generous about that.
You have to pay to have itprocessed, okay, but they'll.
They have a program where needyfamilies will reach out to the
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state and the state will grant.
You know them this this meat andstuff, and, and so if you're a
trophy hunter, obviously youdon't want that meat to go to
waste.
You know them, this meat andstuff, and, and so if you're a
trophy hunter, obviously youdon't want that meat to go to
waste, you know, and so thereare a lot of states that have
yeah, there's a lot of statesthat have those programs.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, if you, if you don't need to take the meat back
and it's within your budget toto take care of this, you know
that's bless some other people.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
With what you're, you know, with your hunt Cause, hey
, you're going to be happybecause you got.
You got your animals, so spreadthe wealth.
And I know, like differenttimes of year you mentioned this
it might be how much gear.
So, if you're going and doing alate season, you're bringing
all winter gear.
Well, that's really bulky,that's taking up a lot of room.
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If in your luggage, if, say, ifyou were flying versus if
you're going to do a summer hunt, you've got all small
lightweight gear that could, youcould almost probably fit it
into a carry-on versus a, youknow right, a big giant bag and
that's, I think that's morespecie related and the reason I
say that is because you knowwhen we're hunting Eastern
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Oregon early season for elk.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
There's been several seasons where we've woke up and
there's 10 inches of snow on theground and it was 95 to 98
degrees the day before.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
The day before.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
And you get up and you know, because we're up in
the Blue Mountains, you know,all of a sudden we got 10 inches
of snow and then two days laterit's back in the 90s.
So you kind of have to planagain.
Location Elevation plays a hugerole and September is a tricky
month because in the mountainsit can turn on a dime Versus.
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Well, kansas in September, wellyou're, well Kansas, you know,
in September, Well, you're notgoing to get a snowstorm in
Kansas.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
No.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Not in September.
You know what I mean, but youknow November.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
But if you're doing any, say, spring hunts, turkey
or bear, that can then factor inas well, because you just don't
know, yep, Depending on yourelevation, you could be in a
snowstorm, mm-hmm yeah, and theytypically don't last very long.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
It's a day or two.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
So if you don't have the gear, you're going to miss a
day or two hunting.
If you have the gear, you'regoing to keep going and still
you know, either way you canhave fun.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
But just know that that's a variable, that's in
those type of hunts yeah, butone of those lots of stuff that
you have to that you might nothave considered, especially
first time, and you aren't, you?
Sometimes you don't know thequestions you should ask, right,
right, and so this is that'sthe point of this is what.
What are the questions I shouldbe asking myself, or or others?
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yeah so you know we we've goneinto talking about data hunting.
You know, recently we talkedabout into talking about data
hunting.
You know, recently we talkedabout using your data and of
course you always call the gamebiologist in that area.
So we won't really get intothat because I think everybody
you know knows that.
But there's different thingsabout license tags, hunter, ed
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requirements.
You talked about archeryrequirements.
Talk about like that wholeprocess of figuring that out.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Some states.
So when you apply or if youdraw on that area, some states
require you to have your huntereducation card on you or proof
of hunter's education.
Some states because I archeryhunt require bow hunters
education cards, and so you youneed to figure that out well in
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advance before you head outthere and stuff, because that
can be a little bit of a awaiting period if you're trying
to get your stuff from the stateagain a year ahead, is it?
gives you plenty of time to dothat and stuff, and so that's
something that I always like tocheck out.
More and more states are goingto the bowhunter's education
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card and wanting you to havethat.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
So if Washington doesn't do bowhunter's education
, how would someone fromWashington?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
There are people in If you call up the state okay
archery association.
They can put you in contactwith somebody who teaches bull
hunters education okay, so youcan still get certified yes,
yeah, that way and stuff.
So I believe every, every state, archery state association will
have some kind of contactinformation for you to do
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something like that.
And then, uh, for likewashington, you can get a a hard
plastic credit card style, type, copy card of of your hunter's
ed, hunter's ed.
Yeah, I know when I took it whenI was a kid.
You got the little cardboard,yeah, perforated, you know,
because it got tore off sayingthat you did it.
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But yeah, that didn't last.
I was 13, 12, 11, 12 years old,I think, is when you could yeah
and yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
That didn't last long we did it as far as in boy
scouts, we all went and got ourhunter's ed, but then, being
that was 40 years ago, yeah,yeah now like I had to go
through hunter's ed againbecause they didn't keep those
records.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yeah.
Or, you know, because it wasn'ta big computer system like it
is now, which is shocking,because you put that card in the
hands of a 12-year-old boy youwould think that they'd just put
it right in their wallet andtake good care of it, Take good
care of it.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
You know Right next to their social security card.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
No.
So something I just recentlylearned is some and a lot of
states, or a few states, arecertain to do this now is if you
go do over-the-counter so youcan put in for draws for
out-of-state hunts.
Mm-hmm draws for out-of-statehunts.
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But if you're doingover-the-counter hunts, just
walk like you drive over there,you just, and you go to buy your
license and license and tagsand everything that you are
limited as an out-of-stateperson to certain units.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
So they've kind of forced all the out-of-state guys
and and women who are outhunting these into certain, into
pockets, and don't let themspill over into other yeah, that
, that's one way of of a statemanaging yeah, they're kind of
recognizing that that herdnumbers, whether it be deer or
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elk or whatever, are starting todiminish and so one way of of
curbing that is to either limitthe amount of non-resident tags
they give out or limit the areathat non-resident hunters can
hunt in, and even limit the area, the units that non-resident
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hunters can put in for as far asdraws, they're doing that now
too, oh.
But I know that, like Utah Iheard this just the other day
non-resident hunters can put infor as far as draws.
They're doing that now too, oh,you know.
But I know that, like Utah Iheard this just the other day
Utah has doubled all of theirnon-resident prices just across
the board.
Everything is doubled it doesn'tmatter if it's a draw hunt, it
doesn't matter.
Elk, deer, everythingnon-resident has doubled.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah, and you said off air like an elk, now is
$2,400.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
It, yeah, and you said off air like an elk.
Now is $2,400.
It's over $2,000 just for anover-the-counter elk tag.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Yeah, which then, is getting into?
Because even if you were doinga guide, that's not included in
the guidance cost.
No, no, it's not so you knowone of those things to consider
that might push you into noteven going to Utah, unless it's
just a dream.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
I mean Colorado, has upped their non-resident fees.
I believe Nevada.
I mean a lot of them haveDidn't Oregon.
Yep Oregon has gone up.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
California is cheap.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
In comparison to a lot of the states now.
There's a lot of states for outof state and it's got a lot to
do with predation.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah.
So states now there's a lot ofstates, yeah, and it's got a lot
to do with predation, yeah, so,although, anecdotally, I have a
friend who hunts blacktail downin blacktail mule deer down in
california and he said that theywent out and a game warden
because they were like we justdidn't see any deer this year
and she had mentioned thatparticular game warden or it was
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a ranger park ranger, somethinglike that said that the the
wolves were down in there, eventhough they're officially not
down there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, yeah, something to consider.
So let's now talk about thepros and cons of getting there.
So driving versus flying, youhave to consider, consider the
amount of time you have,depending on how far that's at
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least adding two days to yourhunt.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
So you know, if you're taking a full week off,
that might give you where youmight be able to drive for a
couple days.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Right, right, and then yeah, and again it goes
back to crunching the numbersbecause everybody wants to think
that, oh, flying is so muchmore expensive.
You know when you stop and youthink about the gas that you're
going to put in not just goingthere, but coming back as well.
You're going to stop for foodbecause you're on the road
longer, so you're going to eatmore meals, you just are.
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You're going to eat more mealsyou just are and then possibly
one or two nights, stay in amotel.
If you don't have a seconddriver to drive through the
night, or you don't trust thesecond driver to drive through
the night, you're going to endup sleeping on the side of the
road, which isn't very safeanymore, or you're going to get
a motel and there's nothingcheap out there anymore.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
No.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
So I mean you got to start thinking about it in that
sense where it's like, okay, amI really that far ahead?
And then, on the flip side ofthe coin, it's okay, how am I
getting my meat back Flying?
I just went to Manitoba.
I told you, met my buddy inMinneapolis, we drove up, hunted
, both filled our tags, droveback to Minneapolis and then I
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had to fly my meat Some of yourmeat, yeah, not even all of it.
Yeah, as much as I could get.
50 pounds worth.
It ended up being 54 pounds andinstead of costing me a couple
hundred, it was $480.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Yeah, because then it gets not only the extra bag fee
, which is $150 to $200,depending on the airline, but
typically it's $200.
But if you go overweight it'sanother $200 on top of that $200
.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Right.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
And then you're also paying for your first two bags
that's your bow, and then a bagfull of gear and you get your
carry-on and whatnot.
And this is what happened.
Where you put into a duffel itwas 53 pounds of meat.
I took it up to the butcher foryou.
Well, when you get to theairport and you realize you're
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overweight, you're eitherleaving it all there, right,
because it's frozen.
Because it's frozen, it's notlike you're going to saw three
pounds there in the airport infront of the Gallup, you start
passing out.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Here's some raw bear meat, have at it, yeah.
So I mean there's a little bit.
I mean again pros and cons toboth, you know.
So you just weigh those thingsout.
Had I been under the 50 pounds,it would have cost me $235,
which is not bad, and gladly paythat to get that back here and
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everything, but my cape and myhead are still up there.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
They're still up in Manitoba.
They're still up in.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Manitoba.
They're at Taxidermist up thereand when I go back in two
years'll pick it up and andbring it home.
But a lot of this stuff isstuff that you just got to think
and don't don't let itoverwhelm you that that year in
advance gives you time to getthis stuff sorted out and this
is supposed to be a fun trip, sodon't let it overwhelm you.
Enjoy it.
(32:11):
Line up this stuff, save up themoney you got a year, make it
happen, do whatever you want.
If you want to drive out there,take the extra couple days off
to drive out there to and fromon the front end and on the back
end, you know.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Because then you don't necessarily have to
prioritize your gear.
You're flying, you'reprioritizing gear and you were
out there with Asha out in thegarage for a couple three hours
on a couple different nights.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Figured well, okay, I can't take that Right.
And then you've got to.
Once you get all the gear inthere, you've got to weigh your
bag.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Because even if it's one of your two-check bags, it
might be 80 bucks for thosetwo-check bags.
If you go overweight, youyou're gonna add 200 bucks going
out and then coming back right,right.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
So you have to be like under that 50 pounds when
you're flying, you're taking theessentials and you're breaking
it down to the bare boneessentials because, there was a
lot of camera gear that I wouldhave loved to have had had out
there, that I didn't takebecause it just wasn't feasible
and not like it's big cameragear.
I mean, we got small stuff andwhatnot for filming recoveries
(33:25):
and two angles for the shot.
All this stuff that just didn'tgo on this trip.
Yeah, you know, and I wouldhave loved to have had it, the
drone, but it just didn't.
It wasn't feasible given thespace that I had and whatnot,
and at the same time, drivingout there wasn't an option
either because I couldn't getthat much time off work.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yeah, Because that's.
Minneapolis is definitely atwo-day drive.
It's a two-day drive yeah,especially if you're going to go
do it on your own.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
And then driving up Manitoba is another 12 hours.
Yeah, so it was like I'm 55.
At my age, that would have beennice to see the country.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
It would have been nice just to do the road trip.
I'd love to do that road trip.
Yeah, yeah, I'd just go just tobe your driver.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Right, that's the things that you've got to figure
out when you're planning thiswhole thing.
How is this trip going to bememorable for you?
Are you going to want to getthere as fast as you can and
spend as much time as you canwith your buddies, or are you
going to make it an adventurefrom beginning to end?
And it's different foreverybody.
(34:28):
So take the time to figure itout and make memories, however
you want to do it.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
And some guys have a lot of time off from their work.
So, being able to, I'm justgoing to do two full weeks, yeah
, and take two weeks off, andjust I'll drive out there and
and have a a good trip out towherever I'm going and then have
a good trip coming back andthen one thing that I see a lot
of guys they don't think about,aaron, is the time zones, if
(34:55):
you're flying the time zones.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
So on this particular trip we went out and we got in,
stand about 2 o'clock and youhunted till 10.15, because it
was daylight in Manitoba, till10.15.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Well, time zones, but how far?
Because you went really farnorth.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Right, right, but what I'm saying is that okay?
So then I got on that schedulewhere we're eating dinner at
1130 midnight every night, okay,and then after the hunt's over,
then I'm driving down toMinneapolis and flying back here
and then having to get up andgo to work the next day.
Some jet lag.
Yeah, serious jet, lag thosetime zones, that that change and
(35:34):
what you get, that sleepschedule that you get on.
You got to weigh that in therebecause I ended up taking an
extra day at the end just so Icould recover yeah you know, and
it's like well, that wasn'tplanned, that's my fault, but
that's definitely something youhave to take into consideration
when you're doing these huntsyou know it's funny that you
mentioned that.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
So we're all going to disney world here in a couple
of weeks, you and asha and thekids, and I'm going with you
guys.
I've gone a bunch of times, soI like going to disney, disney
world and disneyland.
But that actually factors inthat why I said we need to have
an open day, the first day weget there, where we don't do
anything, because having goneout there a few times, I know
(36:18):
you're just dragging that firstday and to just hit the ground
running, like I'll do it anyway,just because.
So my other podcast I thinkI've mentioned other podcasts
it's a Disney-related podcast.
Well, I'll hit the groundrunning because it's my thing,
but realizing the group I'mgoing with and yeah, it's just,
(36:43):
you got to consider that Also.
So, getting back on topic, oneof the things also to consider
and this just popped into myhead and I think it was just
international flights.
But I remember Delta, so I flyDelta a lot because I have the
air miles card and everything.
Well, it used to be and I don'tknow if it is anymore that and
(37:06):
I think it was justinternational flights If you had
a first class or a businessclass ticket and, granted,
that's a few thousand dollars,but it might be a consideration
if you're going to go do thatonce in a lifetime Africa.
Or a business class ticket and,granted, that's a few thousand
dollars, but it might be aconsideration if you're going to
go do that once-in-a-lifetimeAfrica hunt, if you do a first
class ticket.
So, coach might be, you'recarrying on for free and your
(37:29):
two bags might cost you 100bucks, first class, and they're
50-pound bags First class itused to be.
You got three free check bagsand that your weight limit went
up to 70 pounds.
So instead of being limitedlike 100 pounds a gear for 80
bucks, it was 210 pounds a gearfor free.
(37:52):
Now granted, it's the differencebetween, maybe, a $2,000 ticket
and a $5,000 ticket, but it'ssomething to consider that if
this is a once-in-a-lifetimehunt, but it might be something
similar that it might be worthjumping up to domestically.
Look at your airline thatyou're flying and look at what
(38:14):
if you jump up to a first class,especially if you're the type
of person who uses air miles.
You know you've got that wholesystem down where, like a lot of
times, I used to buy my ticketwith air miles and then I'd
upgrade to first class, flyingback and forth when I lived in
la up to here for the price of aregular ticket, I could fly
(38:34):
first class.
Well, that changes your checkbag allowance so you can
potentially bring more stuff.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
but look at your airline and that might help you
with considering maybe whichairline you fly, or and I got to
be honest and it's funny youmentioned that, because I think
guys don't realize the firstthing they start thinking when
you start mentioningout-of-state hunts, whether it's
guided or diy or whatever it isis they're looking at that bill
(39:04):
for the hunt, yeah, and they'rethinking, wow, that's a lot,
you know well, maybe we candrive over and do it ourselves.
I'm telling you guys, a lot oftimes it's a wash as far as what
you spend for your fuel andyour food and all that stuff,
versus a plane ticket.
A plane ticket, you know, a lotof times it comes out to be a
(39:25):
wash and you could have flown.
And you know, especially in theStates, you can ship your stuff
back a lot easier than you can.
You know, like Canada Right now, for me to ship my bear skull
and the hide and all that, withfreight being what it is, with
everything that's going on withthe tariffs and whatnot, it's
(39:46):
like $400 to $600.
Whereas in the States I couldhave just shipped that back, you
know, $50.
Yeah, and it would have beenhere and it's been no big deal,
it wouldn't have added to myairline any of that stuff and so
do your homework, I would say,on this DIY stuff, and you'll
find that if you really crunchthe numbers and stuff, you'll
find that a lot of times it allevens out.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Yeah.
So it's pretty much kind of, Iwould say, say, figure out what
your budget is and if you have ayear out, you've got time to
when do I need to spend themoney?
But figure out what yourbudget's going to be and work
backwards from that yeah andthat's a lot of times how I do
it.
Okay, I've got maybe you've gotfive thousand dollars total.
(40:29):
Okay, well, here's your setcost and here's and here's where
I get to play around with somedifferent things and stuff.
So, you know, could I do thefirst class ticket to get extra
baggage, or maybe saves a littlebit, and then you get to fly
first class.
There's also that.
Yeah, leg room and all thatstuff you know you got more leg
room, a little more comfortable,Right you know, especially if
(40:58):
you're going to be on a four orfive hour flight and you've just
been hunting for the last weekand you just you're exhausted?
Speaker 2 (41:01):
yeah, and you don't want to be crammed back with the
cattle and the.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
You know the back, so we don't usually where I'm at.
We all know how that goes.
So anyway, I think we'vecovered most everything.
Getting to meet, home,taxidermy, it's just finding
those.
Finding what you need to dothere.
Finding what you need to dowhen you come back.
So thanks for joining us and wewill talk to you next week.
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