November 24, 2025 • 37 mins
Big blacktail aren’t a mystery when you respect their routine. We sit down with Mark Boon to unpack how a hunter who once struggled close to home stacked two strong seasons back-to-back and sealed a Pope & Young buck in September. The shift wasn’t magic; it was method. Mark traded rut-only hopes for a locating-first strategy, used trail cameras as tools instead of toys, and learned exactly where his buck entered and exited a tight bedding core. One sixty-yard stand move transformed sparse encounters into near-certainty.
We dig into the five factors and how to time sits without overthinking the moon. A storm front, a twenty-degree temperature drop, and rising pressure created the daylight window Mark needed—no scents, no bait, just a clear plan built on summer patterns. You’ll hear how data trims empty sits, how naming a target buck fuels grit, and why blacktail fidelity lets you build one season on the last. If logging or predators don’t blow it up, that buck you saw in October is likely there next October, and that changes everything about how you scout, wait, and move.
We also share the small tweaks that add up: running five to six cameras for data rather than dopamine, treating failure sets as guidance instead of dead ends, and even adding a simple access drag that sparked rubs, scrapes, and a mid-road brawl. Mark’s looking ahead to an Oregon elk tag while keeping blacktail options open, proof the system fits September velvet, October rifle, or December archery without starting from scratch. If you’re ready to swap luck for a plan and turn “maybe tonight” into “this is the window,” press play, subscribe, and leave a review with your biggest takeaway so we can dive deeper next week.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:10):
Welcome back to the Blacktail Coach Podcast.
I'm Aaron.
And I'm Dave.
This week we have I was almostgoing to call it part two with
Mark Boone success story, butit's not part two.
It's just year two.
So you were successful last yearwith implementing the system,
and then you were even moresuccessful.
(00:31):
Bigger Buck this year.
Yeah.
So why don't you and so thisyear actually is the another
difference is you are now prostaff with the Blacktail Coach.
So why don't you introduceyourself to the listeners?
Why don't you just give abackstory of like your hunting?
Like how did you get intohunting and what species you've
(00:55):
hunted?
SPEAKER_04 (00:56):
Just what makes Mark Boone tick?
SPEAKER_02 (00:59):
Yeah.
A big buck, a pop and young buckwhen you're on the tree stand.
I tell you, that's one thing.
I just like this year.
Thanks, Aaron.
Mark Boone.
I started hunting when I wasabout 20, I think it was 20 or
21.
I was that old guy, kind of oldkid, whatever, in the hunter's
ed class when we had to take itin person there at Bob's there
in Longview.
(01:19):
But yeah, I always kind ofwanted to.
Nobody in my family does.
And so I had a couple buddies,and after high school and
everything else, finally justgot interested in it enough and
decided to start hunting.
I did that for about five or sixyears here local.
And then my buddy at workstarted taking me out of state.
And so then I started gettingmore hunting experience.
(01:41):
And first in Oregon and thenWyoming, Montana, and kind of
gone out everywhere in the Westnow.
SPEAKER_01 (01:46):
So what did you start out hunting when you were
21, 2021?
SPEAKER_02 (01:50):
The typical western Washington, the blacktail, and
rosy, rosy elk.
SPEAKER_01 (01:54):
Okay.
And then traveling out of state,different like mule deer,
whitetail, yeah, Roggy Mountain,just or anything.
SPEAKER_02 (02:02):
Yeah.
Got a mountain goat, been onsome moose hunts, some sheep
hunts, so that's always fun.
But yeah, the mule deer all overwhat Wyoming and Montana, Idaho,
everything, and nice andRockies.
SPEAKER_04 (02:14):
How successful were you as a hunter overall?
SPEAKER_02 (02:17):
I'd say here, not very much, right?
And I think we covered that alittle bit last year on my story
too, my intro, but I didn't theblack tail and I had more
Roosevelt elk kind of a success.
And that was just grinding itout.
I had time off of work, and so Iwas able to do that late season
kind of muzzle loader hunts.
Blacktail, it wasn't verysuccessful.
(02:37):
When I started going out ofstate and seeing all those deer
and all the game population justgreater in the open country,
that's what attracted me more togo out of state.
Therefore, I feel like I waspretty successful, at least on
seeing game and harvesting whatI wanted out of state, but still
never came back to WesternWashington and had good success
(02:58):
on black tail.
SPEAKER_04 (02:59):
Right on.
Right on.
Was it easier out of state?
SPEAKER_02 (03:02):
I think so.
Do you think so?
Yeah, and it's just a differentstyle of hunting, right?
The spot and stock, theglassing.
I one of my first out of statehunts was a spot in stock on a
good 160-inch mule deer.
And me and my buddy Ed went inand seen it from three quarters
of a mile, put a plan together,put the stock on, and we're
successful with that.
So that's awesome.
That kind of hunting, it justkind of filled me, I guess, for
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a little bit.
And it still does.
But of course.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (03:25):
It's definitely nice going out of state where you can
see uh to get in a target richenvironment, I guess is what I'm
trying to say.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
I mean, you go to Wyoming, andthat's one of the places that
you went, correct?
And man, they got more pronghorn than they do people.
SPEAKER_01 (03:40):
Yeah, herds of hundreds of them.
SPEAKER_04 (03:42):
Yeah.
And you're just like, oh mygosh, I got a tag for that.
And it's never like this backhome, you know.
And it's like we went out, wesaw 60 to 200 antelope today.
And oh darn, I didn't get ashot.
But so what?
You're happy seeing the game.
It makes it funner, you knowwhat I mean?
SPEAKER_02 (03:58):
Yeah, and that's really turned into a family
thing now, going out of state.
And we're seeing some beautifulplaces where we'd never
vacation.
But that antelope hunt, webrought my two-year-old
daughter, my wife, who doesn'tlove driving around in the truck
just seeing antelope or game,and then finally putting a stock
on whatever one you want.
SPEAKER_04 (04:13):
Yeah, that's awesome.
That's a good time.
SPEAKER_01 (04:17):
So why don't you tell us?
And I know people may have heardthe story, but a lot of new
listeners, so this will be theirfirst introduction, but your
introduction to us, you took theonline course and you've taken
the field days, and we've gottento know you over the last year.
But how did you find us?
(04:37):
How did we end up on your radar?
SPEAKER_04 (04:39):
Because we really tried to hide.
SPEAKER_02 (04:40):
It was social media, it was Facebook.
I think it was in oh 2022 or2021.
It was a free seminar that Davewas doing, putting on.
I seen it on Facebook.
I couldn't make it to thatseminar.
I was on a hunt actually inWyoming with my nephew.
But at least that got methinking it's like, okay, here's
someone local or WesternWashington, and he has all these
(05:05):
photos and these success storieson these big black tail bucks,
and it's right in my backyard.
How is he doing this?
That's what kind of excited meto just start following and
paying attention.
And I did that, I think, foractually two years before
finally you got lucky the deer,and I'm just as I'm following
it, I'm getting more confidenceof you know what you're doing,
(05:27):
right?
You're right, you this isproven.
It's starting to, and it'sreally just giving me that
confidence.
And once you got that deer, I'mlike, I just gotta, I just gotta
take this course and learn.
So that's how I found you guys.
SPEAKER_04 (05:38):
We weren't a flash in the pan.
Here one day, gone the next.
We've been how many years are weinto this, Aaron?
SPEAKER_01 (05:45):
This is 2026 will be going into our fifth year of
officially being a company doingthis fifth year of classes and
boot camp and and I did someseminars prior to all this.
Fourth year of boot camp, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (05:59):
Uh but yeah, since we've since the the conception
of the black deck, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (06:04):
Was filled out.
The name was trademarked, allthat.
What was the name of and you'vedone this naming your sets and
naming your deer?
What was the name of your deerthis year?
SPEAKER_02 (06:18):
I have done it, but I'm terrible at it.
Okay.
SPEAKER_04 (06:22):
We don't punish anyone with the names.
We've got guys, and I justlaugh.
We got one guy that named allhis bucks after cereals.
SPEAKER_01 (06:28):
Yes.
SPEAKER_04 (06:29):
So he's got Cocoa Bucks and Bucky O's.
Bucky O's and yeah, just BuckyPebbles or something.
SPEAKER_01 (06:37):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (06:37):
Bucky Charms.
SPEAKER_02 (06:38):
Bucky Charms, that's what it was.
Yes.
But you that podcast you havemaking it personal.
I think that's one of myfavorite podcasts.
Oh, really?
If you haven't listened to it,go and go in the past and find
that one.
But you know, it you come upwith names, you talk about it,
and I totally get it.
But when you run the system andyou have that relationship with
that buck, and you're seeing himon camera, it doesn't matter if
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he's got a name or not, or anythat name is just for me and
Dave to talk about it, right?
Oh, hey, I found Bucky Pebblesor whatever, right?
But you build that relationshipwith that buck or history with
it, and it makes it personalwithout any of the game on.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (07:15):
It's game on.
It's a lot easier to getmotivated to go out in the bad
weather because whatever yourbuck's name, Hank the Tank or
Hightower, whatever, they don'tcare that it's raining.
They don't care that you didn'tget enough sleep.
SPEAKER_02 (07:25):
I sat 16 times last year, remember, for narrow four.
And it was the chess match, youcall it, but it gets personal.
When he came out, it was gameon.
It was not nervous or anything.
It was like, hey, sucker, you'regonna die because this has been
going on way too long, 16 timessitting here.
And that's the kind of mindsetthere, but that's a yeah, that's
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a personality.
SPEAKER_04 (07:48):
I just want to say not everybody has that
aggressive, mean mindset.
SPEAKER_01 (07:53):
But actually, naming them, I mean, it is a little
more fun to say this year mygoal is to kill sneaky Pete.
SPEAKER_04 (08:00):
Right, right.
SPEAKER_01 (08:00):
And I I'm gonna go kill Anakin.
SPEAKER_04 (08:02):
Right.
Yeah, and so I've mentioned thisstat before.
They've done studies and theyfound out that the average
hunter, okay, the average hunterwill invest three years into one
mature buck.
Okay.
And if it I've always found thatif and it's I think we're
dipping into psychology here, ifyou put a name to that and you
start thinking, okay, so narrowfour beat me last year.
(08:24):
Doggone it.
Well, that was my first year,I'm still getting to know him.
Year two, you don't get him.
Boy, narrow four has got mynumber.
Yeah.
When you really start, okay, allyou do throughout the year or
the years that you hunt thatbuck, is you build up more
determination.
You build up more get it donekind of factor in your mindset
(08:46):
when you go out and hunt, whereit's like you start saying, No,
I gotta get him this year, andyou start analyzing and you
start going over your hunt planand all this, and what was it
that he figured out last yearthat I didn't think of, and that
kind of thing, and you reallystart to take and break down
your season, and you begin tolook at your season from all
(09:09):
these different angles, and allof a sudden it comes together
with okay, now I got him.
SPEAKER_02 (09:13):
And that's what happened this year on my success
story.
Yeah, wide four was kicking mybutt, you know, and doing that,
and I fine-tuned it and finallygot him.
It was that personal.
SPEAKER_01 (09:24):
So last year you got narrow four, and what was the
date you got him?
SPEAKER_02 (09:27):
It was November 15 last year.
SPEAKER_01 (09:30):
Okay, and so wide four this year, much earlier.
It was September September 20.
Yeah.
So an interesting thought aboutthis.
So you really focused onpatterning him over the summer,
right?
What's Dave say?
SPEAKER_02 (09:46):
You can't find there.
You go.
Yep.
And that was all that this yearwas locating.
Locating.
SPEAKER_01 (09:52):
Yep, really focusing on locating.
SPEAKER_02 (09:54):
And patterning him, figuring him out to that fine
tune.
SPEAKER_01 (09:58):
And you had him during the day, so early season
comes along, and it's why waittill late season, just go get
him early.
SPEAKER_02 (10:06):
Oh, there's no waiting.
There's no waiting on a Pope andYoung buck.
I mean, that was my goal, right?
You talk in the class on thestrategy, the planning, the
coming up with your goals.
And and it got personal withthis buck.
Yeah, there was no passing,they're waiting.
SPEAKER_01 (10:20):
It's interesting because you got it done with
just using the locating aspectof the class.
You didn't even have to go intosense or any uh last year we
were able to do baiting andstuff, but this year it all it
was locating.
SPEAKER_02 (10:37):
Yeah, and it's actually that the same area,
same unit, same set in theory ofnarrow for what I got last year.
I had to fine-tune it and I hadto move my tree stand a little
bit to really figure out wherehe's coming out of that bedding
area.
But yeah.
How many trail cams did you haveset up?
I think I get I got five or six,you know, all at once.
(10:59):
And yeah, so right now I'mfiguring out a whole different
area for next year.
Yeah.
And it's five or six.
I'm really trying.
We talked about it at one thatone podcast about uh the classes
and the pot and using trailcameras to collect that data,
not just entertainment, right?
And that is that is what I hadto do this year to find this
wide fork.
SPEAKER_01 (11:20):
And this wasn't something that you did as far as
the locating last year.
So year over year, what did youdo?
What was your focus more, or didyou do something different with
this year as far as or likeconfidence level, or there was a
you had a different approach inyear two, and uh maybe that's
(11:41):
what I'm trying to ask is whatwas year one versus year two or
year two versus year one?
What was your the changes inyour approach as you became more
confident, more familiar withthe system?
SPEAKER_02 (11:56):
I think the different approach was last year
getting into that rut andcounting on those scents, maybe
the does in the area, usingthose cents every day and having
all these bucks come out of thewoodwork and go to that area.
This time I had to go to hisarea.
It was on locating andunderstanding his summer pattern
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and then hoping that it wasgoing to stay the same in that
September early season enoughthat I could set up and get him.
So I think that was thedifferent mindset was really
changing the area to where hewas instead of attracting him in
a way, you know, like beingclose to where he was and
attract using those scents tokind of attract him and within
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his range.
SPEAKER_04 (12:42):
So just like getting right outside that bedroom door
and using those scents to makehim feel secure enough to
daylight in front of you?
Is that what kind of like lastyear?
SPEAKER_01 (12:52):
You're not even using the scents this year.
I haven't used the scent one.
SPEAKER_04 (12:56):
Not even the pheromone, the bedroom.
Not even the pheromone.
SPEAKER_02 (12:58):
Oh, nice.
No, and I last year I had themon my set until October 18, and
then I didn't see them.
This summer, when I wascataloging or getting this data
from these, I had them on theset, my set that I got narrow
for on, but it was only 25% ofthe time.
It wasn't 100% of the time.
I had another camera 300 yardsaway that he was coming on every
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other day.
I knew that he was hitting thatone.
But even when he was hittingthat one, my 2024 set, he was
only hitting every 10 or 14days.
Uh-huh.
So I knew he was getting to thispoint, but without going through
my set from last year.
And so that's what I had tofine-tune right on his travel
pattern.
SPEAKER_01 (13:41):
So one of the things you'd mentioned to me off air
was last year, I think it wasoff air, he came in when was it
that Wide Four came in lastyear?
SPEAKER_02 (13:51):
Until October 18th.
SPEAKER_01 (13:53):
Until October 18.
And then you didn't see him tillDecember 31st, right?
SPEAKER_02 (13:57):
Yeah.
So that's another part of thepersonal thing.
SPEAKER_01 (14:00):
Yeah.
So it's that it's interestingbecause the had he gone on more
years or whatever, that and Ibring this up because this is
what I'm learning with myparticular spots.
I have bucks who show up atcertain times of the year, and
then I don't see them at all anyother time.
(14:20):
They only show up for one of mysets, he'll one of the bucks
will show up for a week, tendays.
And that's it.
I will never see him any othertime.
But that same week or ten days.
And then my current set, it'sNovember.
I will not see them everotherwise.
So it's but it's interesting.
So this year you got him in thatwhere you saw him last year,
(14:45):
kind of that same time frame.
You just had moved.
Now, was it 60 yards closer towhere you were seeing him
daylight?
Yes.
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (14:53):
Yep.
And it really what it came downto is there's a trail going east
and west, and that bedding areathat you teach us how to find
was all to the north.
And what he would do is come outof this bedding area and he
would go to the east.
And so that's where my set was.
But I didn't realize he wasentering and exiting that that
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bedding area, that core area, inthree different spots.
There was three different trailsinto that stuff.
And so I was in one of thetrails, but not the main one.
So when he would come out, hewould come out from that core
area and then he would go east.
Well, that's when I decided,hey, on this other random trail
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camera that I put on thereduring spring and summer, he was
always on this.
It was like 300 yards away, butI was not getting him come out
of that core area.
I knew where he lived, I justdidn't find that enter and exit
into it.
Well, after I went down anotherabout 60 yards away, I found
another trail that goes into hisbedding area and he was hitting
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that all the time.
He was either coming out of thatcore area at that trail, or he
was coming out from these otherspots and crossing where he, you
know, this new set was.
So that's my adjustment I madeis really I'm getting them 100%
of the time instead of only 25.
SPEAKER_04 (16:14):
Nice, nice.
Yeah.
And something that sticks out tome in my mind that both of you
said is a point that these deerare in the same area every year.
Every year they're in the samearea.
You know, these guys that thinkI see that buck in the
summertime, what are the oddshe's gonna be there during
hunting season?
If you see him, you're in hisrange.
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51 acres.
You just have to find thatbedroom.
You find the bedroom and you'regonna have opportunities.
You just are.
And we teach how to locate thatbedroom and everything.
I think just it it stands to saythat it's important to realize
that these bear that these deerdon't travel like whitetail do
seven to ten miles to find adonor.
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They're in their range theentirety of their lives.
They're gonna be there yearafter year after year until they
die.
And and when you can sit thereand end a season and say, Well,
I didn't get the buck I wanted,and know in the back of your
mind, but I can go after himnext year because he's gonna be
here.
It ain't over until it's over,you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_02 (17:16):
That's the exciting part.
SPEAKER_04 (17:17):
That is the exciting part because now you can sit
there and watch bucks grow.
Aaron with Anakin.
That's a fine example rightthere.
Found that buck, got palmation,real unique, young buck.
He's able to watch him yearafter year after year until he
hits that hit list, until hereaches that age where it's
like, okay, now let's put him onthe show.
Lucky that buck I killed thatyou had mentioned, I watched him
(17:39):
for four years before I finallyput him on the hit list.
SPEAKER_01 (17:42):
You know, he was not worthy.
SPEAKER_04 (17:44):
But just seeing and not everybody, not saying that
everybody has to do this.
I'm just saying that it's aluxury that you have as far as
watching them grow.
But more importantly, it is aluxury to know that they're
gonna be in that same area.
You know, don't think he's gonnatravel unless predation or some
kind of human development,punching homes in, roads in,
(18:06):
that kind of stuff, logging ahillside.
They may move to a differenthillside, but they're gonna be
in that 51 acres.
So year after year, you're gonnabe able to put hunts on that
very same buck.
SPEAKER_02 (18:18):
And that's just ain't Dave saying this.
This is Washington Fish and Gamedoing studies and saying this.
SPEAKER_04 (18:22):
Well, and it's experience.
Aaron's experience, yourexperience, my experience.
We've all experienced the samething.
You saw this buck last year.
unknown (18:30):
Yep.
SPEAKER_04 (18:31):
You figured him out this year, and now you got them
on the ground.
SPEAKER_02 (18:34):
It's fun.
You could take last year'sinformation and really apply it
year to year to year, yeah,instead of that white tail or
mule deer hunt where it's almostjust a random thing, right?
SPEAKER_04 (18:44):
Right, right.
But what do we say in incoaching there, Aaron?
SPEAKER_01 (18:47):
Build one season off, next season off the last
season.
SPEAKER_04 (18:50):
Yeah, that's how you do it.
SPEAKER_01 (18:52):
Yeah.
So thinking about that, wasthere anything so 2020 your 2024
season that you look back andrealize, oh, you know what?
I kind of messed that up thatyou were able to fix this year,
or was it yes, what was that?
SPEAKER_02 (19:09):
September early season.
I messed that up.
Last in in 2024, I had thenarrow four and I had the wide
four coming in.
Uh-huh.
And of course, it's different.
You could bait and stuff within,but you can but I had those
bucks that September, that firstweek of September in the pattern
still.
Like that summer pattern.
(19:31):
I didn't realize that.
I should have taken and andyeah, I got the narrow four, and
that's awesome.
And I got them in November 15thor whatever it was, right?
SPEAKER_04 (19:40):
But and a great buck.
Yeah, a great buck.
Not just a great first buck, agreat buck.
A lot of guys would love to killthat buck.
Yeah.
And then you just went and outdid yourself this year.
SPEAKER_02 (19:52):
The thing is, though, I got them in November
when the sense and the systemworks the best, but I sat
another 16 or whatever, 14, 10times when really you can't if
by locating, by the locatingjust aspect of the system, you
can pattern them for that firstweek or two in September and
maybe harvest them.
(20:13):
Absolutely.
Yeah, absolutely.
And that's what I did this year,and so that's what I learned.
And going over the story on WideFour here, I had that first week
of September off because I knewthat they lose their velvet,
they're going to stay in thatsummer routine just for a little
bit longer.
And that was my chance to getthem that early season.
SPEAKER_04 (20:30):
That's your window.
SPEAKER_02 (20:31):
And Dave, you Dave, you like the hair, the longer
hair, the late season.
I do.
You like, I just wanted to killthis buck.
Yeah.
That was my goal.
SPEAKER_04 (20:39):
As you look around the room here, we can look at my
pedestal book there.
There's a summer coat on that.
I killed that one September 3rd.
And a nice five by five.
And it's like, well, no, there'sno bad time to kill a big buck.
SPEAKER_00 (20:49):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (20:50):
I take that back.
When it's out of season, that'sa bad time.
But in season, there's no badtime to kill a big buck.
And regardless of what thesummer coat or winter coat is,
but I do love the look of thewinter coat.
But it's fun, it's all fun.
SPEAKER_01 (21:04):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And you still beat him.
You still found him.
SPEAKER_04 (21:09):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (21:09):
Yeah.
You still got it done.
So two years in a row.
Two years in a row.
SPEAKER_02 (21:15):
And my first uh Pope and Young.
So that was the la the narrowfour was just out of that.
Yeah, just shy.
Just shy.
SPEAKER_00 (21:23):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (21:24):
And it didn't matter.
I mean, score doesn't matter oranything.
I had that four-point.
I had it, yeah.
He's a four-point.
And this year, actually, widefour.
We talk about it, but he's onlya three-point.
He's just that wide three point.
He lost a fourth point last yearthat he had last year.
But he's a poping young buck,and that's what my goal was, and
got him down.
SPEAKER_04 (21:43):
Now, was he this heavy?
SPEAKER_02 (21:45):
He was not.
He gained some inches on thelength, and then he was not near
as heavy.
SPEAKER_04 (21:49):
So and I gotta tell you guys, I'm looking at this
buck right now in front of me,and he has got great mass.
Yeah, he carries it all the wayup.
SPEAKER_01 (21:58):
Very wide, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (21:59):
Yep, yep.
So I don't know they lost apoint as much as it went more
back into mass on him.
And that's a heavy buck.
SPEAKER_02 (22:07):
And you could see the genetics.
I'm watching some forkies andstuff like that that are really
swooping wide.
He's almost 20 inches wide, butI'm seeing some littler bucks
that you could see thisoffspring.
I mean, it's just that samegenetics in that area.
SPEAKER_01 (22:20):
So I didn't actually write this in the notes when I
was planning this out, but itjust occurred to me.
But you might actually know thisoff the top of your head because
you're a data guy.
The five factors.
Do you know how many you had onthat particular day, September
20th, when you were hunting?
Yep.
The storm was coming.
SPEAKER_02 (22:41):
Nice.
Yep, the storm was coming.
SPEAKER_04 (22:43):
So again, weather weather front?
SPEAKER_02 (22:45):
The temperature was dropping.
SPEAKER_04 (22:46):
20 degree swing.
SPEAKER_02 (22:48):
And it wasn't quite a red moon, but it was close.
Shoulder of it.
Okay.
And of course, we don't have therut factor.
And then the barometric pressurewas going up.
It wasn't at that 30.2, but itwas going up and it was over 30.
Nice.
SPEAKER_04 (23:01):
You had that.
Nice.
SPEAKER_02 (23:02):
You really had that storm, the temperature, and the
barometric pressure.
Not quite the red moon.
So you had three of them.
SPEAKER_04 (23:08):
Yeah.
Almost four.
SPEAKER_02 (23:09):
But just like Chris with Bambino last year, early
season, right?
That storm coming and takingadvantage of it because he came
out just early enough.
SPEAKER_03 (23:19):
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_02 (23:20):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (23:20):
And that's all it takes.
Yep.
SPEAKER_01 (23:23):
But and I brought that up.
I'm glad I actually thoughtabout that because that's
something when we're looking atgoing out hunting, that even
though thinking of this lastweek, I don't see deer on my set
in October.
They show up in November.
But I had four out of five ofthe five factors almost all
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week.
And I'm like, I have to go sitand see.
SPEAKER_04 (23:47):
But if it's something that you are
forgetting, Aaron, is that youdid see rud activity on your
walk in where you normally whereyou saw it last year, you hadn't
seen any this year, but on yourwalk in this last week.
SPEAKER_01 (23:57):
There was a little bit, yeah.
A couple of rubs that were new.
Yeah, a few rubs that were new,but and I could hear them moving
in a couple spots.
So I knew that they were close.
It's just over to getting overto my area.
It's that waiting for December31st type of thing last year,
where when you start seeingthem.
But that's when I will.
(24:18):
But yeah, it's one of those,it's really important.
And I know that has been ourmost popular episode.
And even the original and thenthe replay that we did in
August, that it's knowing whatthose days are afternoon,
morning hunts, where you shouldbe hunting setup.
(24:38):
You know, is it I'm in atransition zone, that's going to
be perfect, or I'm at the edgeof a bedding area, that's
perfect.
Yeah.
It's all those different factorsand knowing all that, that data
collection.
SPEAKER_02 (24:50):
Even if you don't take the class or any of these
courses, you should followthose.
Just it's bettering your odds.
It's not saying just like you,it's not saying it's a give me,
right?
But more deer movement ishappening and it's just going to
better your odds.
Absolutely.
And it took me a while last yearto figure that out, really, you
know.
But then after you figure itout, you're like, oh, something,
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there's a really good chance ofsomething coming out.
Yeah.
And you can kind of call it,right?
Like something happened.
Not saying again, I've sat thereplenty of times when there was
barometric pressure going up orsomething, and I didn't see my
target buck or a good buck toshoot, right?
But it betters your odds.
SPEAKER_04 (25:26):
And it's something to be said, because the first
couple, the first season youstart thinking about the five
factors.
There is a sense of is thisreally going to work?
Am I wasting my time?
Do I understand this the way Ineed?
There's some hesitancy that youhave to work through.
But once you get a little bit ofsuccess, and that success
(25:48):
doesn't have to be putting abuck on the ground, it may be
seeing more deer movement, andthey may all be does.
But all of a sudden, I've gotthree out of the five, and man,
that deer activity just it wentthrough the roof tonight.
If I can get four, can youimagine that?
And then a lot of guys, thefirst season they use it, they
can't remember all five.
SPEAKER_00 (26:06):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (26:06):
And it seems like a hassle.
Oh, I gotta check this and checkthis and check this.
But after you do it for aseason, the next season, it's
like, no, I don't even thinkabout going out without checking
that first.
And I know all five of themright off the top of my head,
and it's not an inconvenience.
I can look a week ahead.
Oh crap, I need to be out onthat day.
Yeah because there's a highprobability.
SPEAKER_01 (26:27):
And Aaron, you're a fine example of this because
Wednesday, I was not gonna goout, but I'm like, I have four
out of five.
I have to go out and stand,yeah.
Uh you know, or go out into myblind because it's but you saw
that last year, though.
SPEAKER_04 (26:40):
You had some success with that last year as far as
the five factors, yeah.
And so this year, and it's notsaying that you're wasting your
time if you don't have any ofthose factors.
It's hunting.
You just have so much moreconfidence, and that's a huge
role in being successful isbeing confident in what you're
doing.
A little success goes a longway, and a little bit of
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confidence can take you from aguy that that and I don't want
to that that shoot somethingthat they're not happy with, let
me just say that every year, andversus somebody who's like, Man,
I've reached my goal the lasttwo out of three years, or three
out of four years, or I've gonethree out of five years and
killed my target bucks everythose three years.
(27:22):
Man, when you do that, thoseseasons where you don't feel a
tag, you're okay with it.
It's like because I can go intonext year, it's like, oh now
it's getting fun.
SPEAKER_01 (27:30):
But you have that confidence in the system.
You have that confidence becauseyou're able to troubleshoot by
what you know.
Oh, I'm not in the right spot.
I need to move 60 yards.
You're able to troubleshoot.
You did that this year.
So you have that confidence.
That's the great part ofediting, but you have that
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confidence of being able totweak the system, the tweak it
to what you need to do.
SPEAKER_02 (28:01):
That's one thing I learned in the class, though,
and not and maybe expectationsare a little bit different.
When you take the class, Dave,you teach us so well.
It's like you do one, you dotwo, one plus two equals three,
right?
It's just like that.
And you lay that out, and it's areally, really good example.
But I feel like there's alwaysgoing to be tweaks to whether
it's your location or whetherthe buck just going in a
(28:24):
different area or whatever.
It there's always gonna be thattweaks.
That's how important it is toget feet on the ground, boots on
the ground, and get learningthat area, right?
You could take this class andyou could think, oh, I got it
dialed.
But until you go and get thoseboots on the ground and learn
that area, learn those travelpast, learn that core area,
(28:44):
learn like this one, where hewas really entering into that
core area or exiting that corearea, you just don't have it.
You have to do it, you have todo it yourself, go on the
ground.
SPEAKER_04 (28:54):
And that's funny you say it like that because we've
got a group from NorthernCalifornia that's listening in,
and to everybody down there,thank you so much.
We appreciate all the kind wordsand everybody reaching out to
us.
SPEAKER_01 (29:06):
But thoughts for shows, thank you, Anna.
SPEAKER_04 (29:08):
Yep.
Sometimes we hear, well, ourhabitat's different because
we're in southwest Washington,it's a rainforest.
Yeah, you go down to southernOregon, they got a lot more
scrub oak, they don't have asnear as much as the firs that we
do up here, and you get downinto Northern California, and
there's I mean, even less as faras some parts down there, and
guys are like, Well, we don'tknow what you're talking about.
(29:30):
This is black tailed deer orblack tailed deer.
There's characteristics thatthis deer has that is going to
it's transferable wherever yougo.
These deer are habitual in whatthey do, they have a sense of
what they want to accomplish,they're purpose-driven, and a
lot of it it's all based onsurvival.
(29:50):
And so if you learned it uphere, you can apply it down
there, it'll work.
unknown (29:55):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (29:55):
You know, I was thinking another thing about the
tweaks.
Like when I walked in, I wasdoing a drag every day when I
walked in the last 300 yards orso.
Right, right.
You had never even considereddoing something like that.
SPEAKER_04 (30:08):
I would only do my drags like.
Like two times at the most aseason.
SPEAKER_01 (30:12):
And but because of the reaction of me just doing a
little tweak like that,something that you had hadn't
done, you saw the results ofthat.
Right.
I had the battle scene in in themiddle of that skitter road
where tufts of fur because twodeer went at it, and 300 yards
(30:33):
of rubs.
So it yeah, it ends up changingwhat you ended up doing or
thinking about doing this shit.
Yeah, dang, if that's gonna, youknow, you can manipulate their
behavior that much.
SPEAKER_04 (30:45):
Right.
Honestly, I've learned a lotfrom just the pro staff.
That's the great thing about ourcommunity is that we got guys
that everybody is blacktailcrazy.
Everybody likes killing goodblacktail bucks, and we enjoy
that hunt and everything.
So you got all these guys withpeople, I should say, with like
mindsets.
(31:05):
And so guys come up with stuffall the time and learning off of
each other.
Yeah, I mean, bud and hislocating, he's just taking it to
another level.
And if I'm asking him, yeah,hey, what are you looking for?
What are you doing?
Chris, who killed Bambino?
There's some things that he'staught me over the last year,
and I'm just like, that's agreat idea.
I and we talked about this offair.
I've just got a way of doing it,and I'm just teaching guys my
(31:28):
way of doing it.
That's all it is.
It's just how I do it.
And some guys are better at itthan I am, and I'm okay with
that.
SPEAKER_01 (31:35):
Yeah.
So let's talk about next year.
Do you have a target buck fornext year?
SPEAKER_02 (31:41):
That's what's different about this year.
I do not have one right now.
Okay.
But I'm running the sense, andI'm I'm got cameras out.
Okay.
I have an up and comer.
He's a real wide two-point.
Old do you think he is fromlooking at the pictures?
I think he's hitting that fourand a half.
I really feel like this year ornext year.
I don't know.
It's hard to tell.
I'm not as good as you on that.
(32:03):
Probably should send you somepictures.
He's getting up there anyway,where it could really make a
difference.
He's almost as wide as his ears,and he's just real heavy, eye
guards.
This is my first year at thislocation.
So this is my first data setthat I'm getting in this area.
So I don't know what thegenetics are, what really
happens here.
Right.
So it's hard to tell, but uh,maybe next year he could he has
(32:25):
potential just to be just likethis wide four right here.
It's really similar.
SPEAKER_04 (32:29):
Guys, this is a dandy buck I'm looking at right
here.
It is absolutely a toad.
SPEAKER_02 (32:33):
Now, do you have multiple sets?
I have two sets right now.
Okay.
Last year I had four.
Okay.
Learning this, and I found outsomewhere a bust just because
they were too open, or I didn'tfind that that core area.
Now I have two, and I'm reallyjust focusing on this.
But mainly I had so much, and Ionly had that second set for a
backup, right?
(32:54):
You know, just like the cougarstory coming in and busting
everything out and ruining yourfirst set or whatever might
happen.
But my main goal and my all allmy attention was on wide four
here.
Nice.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (33:05):
Awesome.
And sometimes you need to failto succeed.
You know what I mean?
You find those sets that are abust, like you were saying,
that's great.
Yeah.
I don't count that as a failure.
A lot of guys will go, well, Ican't figure no.
You have figured something out.
You figured out that's not whereyou need to be.
That there's something aboutthat habitat that that deer does
not want to be there.
(33:26):
So that's a success becauseyou've just eliminated that spot
off your checklist.
SPEAKER_02 (33:30):
And it's not even eliminating it.
I guess I should say it's notreal overall bust.
There was so much deer sign inthere, and there was rub's
galore, but I just was not inthat bedroom window that you
teach us to find.
I was not in that area of thatlocating.
I needed to fine-tune that, andI just went a different
direction once I had these othersets.
SPEAKER_04 (33:50):
Taking all the activity was at night.
SPEAKER_02 (33:51):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (33:52):
Gotcha.
SPEAKER_01 (33:53):
Okay.
So next year, are you going tobe branching out and finding
even more sets, or are you justgoing to dial in on the ones
that you've got to see whathappens with those?
Oh, it's always more.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (34:04):
It's always more.
It's addicting, especially whenyou really use those cameras and
find these areas.
SPEAKER_04 (34:09):
Yeah.
I remember Bud when he first gotthe locating down.
SPEAKER_02 (34:13):
Nine sets.
SPEAKER_04 (34:14):
Oh my gosh.
And I mean, that's duringseason.
He's running nine to twelvedifferent sets.
But I promise you, every time hecalled me that season, he had
another shooter, another recordbook book that he'd found.
I think he had like seven.
And I was like, seven that wouldmake the books.
And I was just like, Wow, man,you're set for the longest time.
(34:36):
But yeah, but then he startedgiving them away.
Of course, I got no room totalk.
I've done the same thing.
And that is fun.
Because you just like, it's thattreasure.
Can I find that next treasure?
Yeah.
You know.
SPEAKER_01 (34:47):
Well, that was mine.
I've got my three sets that I'mmonitoring.
And it's almost like, gosh, Igot bucks for years that I could
go after.
And that's just what the threeI've got.
But boy, do I really want to gointo this spot or do I want to
go into this spot?
I've talked about Kenobi andAnakin that are about
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three-quarters of a milestraight line away from each
other, but they both show somepalmation to their antlers.
And I think, like in betweenthere, I need to go scout in
that spot in between there andlook what's but I'm like, I
don't need to go in there.
I've got enough other spots thatI just need to keep focusing on
(35:28):
those because there's enoughgreat bucks there, but it is.
It's always tempting to ohdriving down the road.
Oh, that's some great habitatright there.
Do you do that now where you'redriving down the road and you're
just eyeballing the habitateverywhere?
SPEAKER_02 (35:41):
And then you hit those speed bumps or those
turtles on the freeway.
SPEAKER_03 (35:45):
Oh, oh, no, I never do that.
SPEAKER_02 (35:47):
Nope.
One thing that will be differentfor next year is I have a lot of
elk points in Oregon.
And I got a couple kills with myarchery equipment that I'm going
to burn my elk points in Oregonand go on an archery hunt.
So that September is going tobe, this is going into the
planning and strategy andeverything.
That September is probably goingto be booked up, right?
(36:09):
I don't feel like I'm going tobe able to do what I did this
year for next year.
It's going to have to take abig, big buck because my focus
will be there.
But that's the cool thing aboutthis system.
You got the September early justbecause you're the locating, or
even in the rifle hunters inOctober, right?
You do the locating, you got ithalf dialed or three quarters
dialed, right?
But I'll probably plan on thatOctober or November kind of time
(36:32):
frame and set for the blacktailbecause I'll be doing the Elk
Hunt next year.
SPEAKER_01 (36:36):
Yeah.
And you on Archery, you havelate Archery.
So you have December as well.
Yes.
That is an option for you.
You could wait even more.
But like you said, it's they'rethere now.
Might as well go after them now.
Totally.
Yeah.
Totally.
Why wait?
So, anyway, thank you for comingon again and sharing your story.
(36:58):
Always, it's always great tohear about someone being
successful.
And even realizing how theirstruggles turning that into
success.
So thank you for coming on.
Appreciated hearing that.
And we will talk to you all nextweek.
SPEAKER_02 (37:13):
Thanks.
Welcome back to the Blacktail Coach Podcast.
I'm Aaron.
And I'm Dave.
This week we have I was almostgoing to call it part two with
Mark Boone success story, butit's not part two.
It's just year two.
So you were successful last yearwith implementing the system,
and then you were even moresuccessful.
(00:31):
Bigger Buck this year.
Yeah.
So why don't you and so thisyear actually is the another
difference is you are now prostaff with the Blacktail Coach.
So why don't you introduceyourself to the listeners?
Why don't you just give abackstory of like your hunting?
Like how did you get intohunting and what species you've
(00:55):
hunted?
SPEAKER_04 (00:56):
Just what makes Mark Boone tick?
SPEAKER_02 (00:59):
Yeah.
A big buck, a pop and young buckwhen you're on the tree stand.
I tell you, that's one thing.
I just like this year.
Thanks, Aaron.
Mark Boone.
I started hunting when I wasabout 20, I think it was 20 or
21.
I was that old guy, kind of oldkid, whatever, in the hunter's
ed class when we had to take itin person there at Bob's there
in Longview.
(01:19):
But yeah, I always kind ofwanted to.
Nobody in my family does.
And so I had a couple buddies,and after high school and
everything else, finally justgot interested in it enough and
decided to start hunting.
I did that for about five or sixyears here local.
And then my buddy at workstarted taking me out of state.
And so then I started gettingmore hunting experience.
(01:41):
And first in Oregon and thenWyoming, Montana, and kind of
gone out everywhere in the Westnow.
SPEAKER_01 (01:46):
So what did you start out hunting when you were
21, 2021?
SPEAKER_02 (01:50):
The typical western Washington, the blacktail, and
rosy, rosy elk.
SPEAKER_01 (01:54):
Okay.
And then traveling out of state,different like mule deer,
whitetail, yeah, Roggy Mountain,just or anything.
SPEAKER_02 (02:02):
Yeah.
Got a mountain goat, been onsome moose hunts, some sheep
hunts, so that's always fun.
But yeah, the mule deer all overwhat Wyoming and Montana, Idaho,
everything, and nice andRockies.
SPEAKER_04 (02:14):
How successful were you as a hunter overall?
SPEAKER_02 (02:17):
I'd say here, not very much, right?
And I think we covered that alittle bit last year on my story
too, my intro, but I didn't theblack tail and I had more
Roosevelt elk kind of a success.
And that was just grinding itout.
I had time off of work, and so Iwas able to do that late season
kind of muzzle loader hunts.
Blacktail, it wasn't verysuccessful.
(02:37):
When I started going out ofstate and seeing all those deer
and all the game population justgreater in the open country,
that's what attracted me more togo out of state.
Therefore, I feel like I waspretty successful, at least on
seeing game and harvesting whatI wanted out of state, but still
never came back to WesternWashington and had good success
(02:58):
on black tail.
SPEAKER_04 (02:59):
Right on.
Right on.
Was it easier out of state?
SPEAKER_02 (03:02):
I think so.
Do you think so?
Yeah, and it's just a differentstyle of hunting, right?
The spot and stock, theglassing.
I one of my first out of statehunts was a spot in stock on a
good 160-inch mule deer.
And me and my buddy Ed went inand seen it from three quarters
of a mile, put a plan together,put the stock on, and we're
successful with that.
So that's awesome.
That kind of hunting, it justkind of filled me, I guess, for
(03:22):
a little bit.
And it still does.
But of course.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (03:25):
It's definitely nice going out of state where you can
see uh to get in a target richenvironment, I guess is what I'm
trying to say.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
I mean, you go to Wyoming, andthat's one of the places that
you went, correct?
And man, they got more pronghorn than they do people.
SPEAKER_01 (03:40):
Yeah, herds of hundreds of them.
SPEAKER_04 (03:42):
Yeah.
And you're just like, oh mygosh, I got a tag for that.
And it's never like this backhome, you know.
And it's like we went out, wesaw 60 to 200 antelope today.
And oh darn, I didn't get ashot.
But so what?
You're happy seeing the game.
It makes it funner, you knowwhat I mean?
SPEAKER_02 (03:58):
Yeah, and that's really turned into a family
thing now, going out of state.
And we're seeing some beautifulplaces where we'd never
vacation.
But that antelope hunt, webrought my two-year-old
daughter, my wife, who doesn'tlove driving around in the truck
just seeing antelope or game,and then finally putting a stock
on whatever one you want.
SPEAKER_04 (04:13):
Yeah, that's awesome.
That's a good time.
SPEAKER_01 (04:17):
So why don't you tell us?
And I know people may have heardthe story, but a lot of new
listeners, so this will be theirfirst introduction, but your
introduction to us, you took theonline course and you've taken
the field days, and we've gottento know you over the last year.
But how did you find us?
(04:37):
How did we end up on your radar?
SPEAKER_04 (04:39):
Because we really tried to hide.
SPEAKER_02 (04:40):
It was social media, it was Facebook.
I think it was in oh 2022 or2021.
It was a free seminar that Davewas doing, putting on.
I seen it on Facebook.
I couldn't make it to thatseminar.
I was on a hunt actually inWyoming with my nephew.
But at least that got methinking it's like, okay, here's
someone local or WesternWashington, and he has all these
(05:05):
photos and these success storieson these big black tail bucks,
and it's right in my backyard.
How is he doing this?
That's what kind of excited meto just start following and
paying attention.
And I did that, I think, foractually two years before
finally you got lucky the deer,and I'm just as I'm following
it, I'm getting more confidenceof you know what you're doing,
(05:27):
right?
You're right, you this isproven.
It's starting to, and it'sreally just giving me that
confidence.
And once you got that deer, I'mlike, I just gotta, I just gotta
take this course and learn.
So that's how I found you guys.
SPEAKER_04 (05:38):
We weren't a flash in the pan.
Here one day, gone the next.
We've been how many years are weinto this, Aaron?
SPEAKER_01 (05:45):
This is 2026 will be going into our fifth year of
officially being a company doingthis fifth year of classes and
boot camp and and I did someseminars prior to all this.
Fourth year of boot camp, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (05:59):
Uh but yeah, since we've since the the conception
of the black deck, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (06:04):
Was filled out.
The name was trademarked, allthat.
What was the name of and you'vedone this naming your sets and
naming your deer?
What was the name of your deerthis year?
SPEAKER_02 (06:18):
I have done it, but I'm terrible at it.
Okay.
SPEAKER_04 (06:22):
We don't punish anyone with the names.
We've got guys, and I justlaugh.
We got one guy that named allhis bucks after cereals.
SPEAKER_01 (06:28):
Yes.
SPEAKER_04 (06:29):
So he's got Cocoa Bucks and Bucky O's.
Bucky O's and yeah, just BuckyPebbles or something.
SPEAKER_01 (06:37):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (06:37):
Bucky Charms.
SPEAKER_02 (06:38):
Bucky Charms, that's what it was.
Yes.
But you that podcast you havemaking it personal.
I think that's one of myfavorite podcasts.
Oh, really?
If you haven't listened to it,go and go in the past and find
that one.
But you know, it you come upwith names, you talk about it,
and I totally get it.
But when you run the system andyou have that relationship with
that buck, and you're seeing himon camera, it doesn't matter if
(07:01):
he's got a name or not, or anythat name is just for me and
Dave to talk about it, right?
Oh, hey, I found Bucky Pebblesor whatever, right?
But you build that relationshipwith that buck or history with
it, and it makes it personalwithout any of the game on.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (07:15):
It's game on.
It's a lot easier to getmotivated to go out in the bad
weather because whatever yourbuck's name, Hank the Tank or
Hightower, whatever, they don'tcare that it's raining.
They don't care that you didn'tget enough sleep.
SPEAKER_02 (07:25):
I sat 16 times last year, remember, for narrow four.
And it was the chess match, youcall it, but it gets personal.
When he came out, it was gameon.
It was not nervous or anything.
It was like, hey, sucker, you'regonna die because this has been
going on way too long, 16 timessitting here.
And that's the kind of mindsetthere, but that's a yeah, that's
(07:47):
a personality.
SPEAKER_04 (07:48):
I just want to say not everybody has that
aggressive, mean mindset.
SPEAKER_01 (07:53):
But actually, naming them, I mean, it is a little
more fun to say this year mygoal is to kill sneaky Pete.
SPEAKER_04 (08:00):
Right, right.
SPEAKER_01 (08:00):
And I I'm gonna go kill Anakin.
SPEAKER_04 (08:02):
Right.
Yeah, and so I've mentioned thisstat before.
They've done studies and theyfound out that the average
hunter, okay, the average hunterwill invest three years into one
mature buck.
Okay.
And if it I've always found thatif and it's I think we're
dipping into psychology here, ifyou put a name to that and you
start thinking, okay, so narrowfour beat me last year.
(08:24):
Doggone it.
Well, that was my first year,I'm still getting to know him.
Year two, you don't get him.
Boy, narrow four has got mynumber.
Yeah.
When you really start, okay, allyou do throughout the year or
the years that you hunt thatbuck, is you build up more
determination.
You build up more get it donekind of factor in your mindset
(08:46):
when you go out and hunt, whereit's like you start saying, No,
I gotta get him this year, andyou start analyzing and you
start going over your hunt planand all this, and what was it
that he figured out last yearthat I didn't think of, and that
kind of thing, and you reallystart to take and break down
your season, and you begin tolook at your season from all
(09:09):
these different angles, and allof a sudden it comes together
with okay, now I got him.
SPEAKER_02 (09:13):
And that's what happened this year on my success
story.
Yeah, wide four was kicking mybutt, you know, and doing that,
and I fine-tuned it and finallygot him.
It was that personal.
SPEAKER_01 (09:24):
So last year you got narrow four, and what was the
date you got him?
SPEAKER_02 (09:27):
It was November 15 last year.
SPEAKER_01 (09:30):
Okay, and so wide four this year, much earlier.
It was September September 20.
Yeah.
So an interesting thought aboutthis.
So you really focused onpatterning him over the summer,
right?
What's Dave say?
SPEAKER_02 (09:46):
You can't find there.
You go.
Yep.
And that was all that this yearwas locating.
Locating.
SPEAKER_01 (09:52):
Yep, really focusing on locating.
SPEAKER_02 (09:54):
And patterning him, figuring him out to that fine
tune.
SPEAKER_01 (09:58):
And you had him during the day, so early season
comes along, and it's why waittill late season, just go get
him early.
SPEAKER_02 (10:06):
Oh, there's no waiting.
There's no waiting on a Pope andYoung buck.
I mean, that was my goal, right?
You talk in the class on thestrategy, the planning, the
coming up with your goals.
And and it got personal withthis buck.
Yeah, there was no passing,they're waiting.
SPEAKER_01 (10:20):
It's interesting because you got it done with
just using the locating aspectof the class.
You didn't even have to go intosense or any uh last year we
were able to do baiting andstuff, but this year it all it
was locating.
SPEAKER_02 (10:37):
Yeah, and it's actually that the same area,
same unit, same set in theory ofnarrow for what I got last year.
I had to fine-tune it and I hadto move my tree stand a little
bit to really figure out wherehe's coming out of that bedding
area.
But yeah.
How many trail cams did you haveset up?
I think I get I got five or six,you know, all at once.
(10:59):
And yeah, so right now I'mfiguring out a whole different
area for next year.
Yeah.
And it's five or six.
I'm really trying.
We talked about it at one thatone podcast about uh the classes
and the pot and using trailcameras to collect that data,
not just entertainment, right?
And that is that is what I hadto do this year to find this
wide fork.
SPEAKER_01 (11:20):
And this wasn't something that you did as far as
the locating last year.
So year over year, what did youdo?
What was your focus more, or didyou do something different with
this year as far as or likeconfidence level, or there was a
you had a different approach inyear two, and uh maybe that's
(11:41):
what I'm trying to ask is whatwas year one versus year two or
year two versus year one?
What was your the changes inyour approach as you became more
confident, more familiar withthe system?
SPEAKER_02 (11:56):
I think the different approach was last year
getting into that rut andcounting on those scents, maybe
the does in the area, usingthose cents every day and having
all these bucks come out of thewoodwork and go to that area.
This time I had to go to hisarea.
It was on locating andunderstanding his summer pattern
(12:19):
and then hoping that it wasgoing to stay the same in that
September early season enoughthat I could set up and get him.
So I think that was thedifferent mindset was really
changing the area to where hewas instead of attracting him in
a way, you know, like beingclose to where he was and
attract using those scents tokind of attract him and within
(12:41):
his range.
SPEAKER_04 (12:42):
So just like getting right outside that bedroom door
and using those scents to makehim feel secure enough to
daylight in front of you?
Is that what kind of like lastyear?
SPEAKER_01 (12:52):
You're not even using the scents this year.
I haven't used the scent one.
SPEAKER_04 (12:56):
Not even the pheromone, the bedroom.
Not even the pheromone.
SPEAKER_02 (12:58):
Oh, nice.
No, and I last year I had themon my set until October 18, and
then I didn't see them.
This summer, when I wascataloging or getting this data
from these, I had them on theset, my set that I got narrow
for on, but it was only 25% ofthe time.
It wasn't 100% of the time.
I had another camera 300 yardsaway that he was coming on every
(13:22):
other day.
I knew that he was hitting thatone.
But even when he was hittingthat one, my 2024 set, he was
only hitting every 10 or 14days.
Uh-huh.
So I knew he was getting to thispoint, but without going through
my set from last year.
And so that's what I had tofine-tune right on his travel
pattern.
SPEAKER_01 (13:41):
So one of the things you'd mentioned to me off air
was last year, I think it wasoff air, he came in when was it
that Wide Four came in lastyear?
SPEAKER_02 (13:51):
Until October 18th.
SPEAKER_01 (13:53):
Until October 18.
And then you didn't see him tillDecember 31st, right?
SPEAKER_02 (13:57):
Yeah.
So that's another part of thepersonal thing.
SPEAKER_01 (14:00):
Yeah.
So it's that it's interestingbecause the had he gone on more
years or whatever, that and Ibring this up because this is
what I'm learning with myparticular spots.
I have bucks who show up atcertain times of the year, and
then I don't see them at all anyother time.
(14:20):
They only show up for one of mysets, he'll one of the bucks
will show up for a week, tendays.
And that's it.
I will never see him any othertime.
But that same week or ten days.
And then my current set, it'sNovember.
I will not see them everotherwise.
So it's but it's interesting.
So this year you got him in thatwhere you saw him last year,
(14:45):
kind of that same time frame.
You just had moved.
Now, was it 60 yards closer towhere you were seeing him
daylight?
Yes.
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (14:53):
Yep.
And it really what it came downto is there's a trail going east
and west, and that bedding areathat you teach us how to find
was all to the north.
And what he would do is come outof this bedding area and he
would go to the east.
And so that's where my set was.
But I didn't realize he wasentering and exiting that that
(15:14):
bedding area, that core area, inthree different spots.
There was three different trailsinto that stuff.
And so I was in one of thetrails, but not the main one.
So when he would come out, hewould come out from that core
area and then he would go east.
Well, that's when I decided,hey, on this other random trail
(15:34):
camera that I put on thereduring spring and summer, he was
always on this.
It was like 300 yards away, butI was not getting him come out
of that core area.
I knew where he lived, I justdidn't find that enter and exit
into it.
Well, after I went down anotherabout 60 yards away, I found
another trail that goes into hisbedding area and he was hitting
(15:55):
that all the time.
He was either coming out of thatcore area at that trail, or he
was coming out from these otherspots and crossing where he, you
know, this new set was.
So that's my adjustment I madeis really I'm getting them 100%
of the time instead of only 25.
SPEAKER_04 (16:14):
Nice, nice.
Yeah.
And something that sticks out tome in my mind that both of you
said is a point that these deerare in the same area every year.
Every year they're in the samearea.
You know, these guys that thinkI see that buck in the
summertime, what are the oddshe's gonna be there during
hunting season?
If you see him, you're in hisrange.
(16:35):
51 acres.
You just have to find thatbedroom.
You find the bedroom and you'regonna have opportunities.
You just are.
And we teach how to locate thatbedroom and everything.
I think just it it stands to saythat it's important to realize
that these bear that these deerdon't travel like whitetail do
seven to ten miles to find adonor.
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They're in their range theentirety of their lives.
They're gonna be there yearafter year after year until they
die.
And and when you can sit thereand end a season and say, Well,
I didn't get the buck I wanted,and know in the back of your
mind, but I can go after himnext year because he's gonna be
here.
It ain't over until it's over,you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_02 (17:16):
That's the exciting part.
SPEAKER_04 (17:17):
That is the exciting part because now you can sit
there and watch bucks grow.
Aaron with Anakin.
That's a fine example rightthere.
Found that buck, got palmation,real unique, young buck.
He's able to watch him yearafter year after year until he
hits that hit list, until hereaches that age where it's
like, okay, now let's put him onthe show.
Lucky that buck I killed thatyou had mentioned, I watched him
(17:39):
for four years before I finallyput him on the hit list.
SPEAKER_01 (17:42):
You know, he was not worthy.
SPEAKER_04 (17:44):
But just seeing and not everybody, not saying that
everybody has to do this.
I'm just saying that it's aluxury that you have as far as
watching them grow.
But more importantly, it is aluxury to know that they're
gonna be in that same area.
You know, don't think he's gonnatravel unless predation or some
kind of human development,punching homes in, roads in,
(18:06):
that kind of stuff, logging ahillside.
They may move to a differenthillside, but they're gonna be
in that 51 acres.
So year after year, you're gonnabe able to put hunts on that
very same buck.
SPEAKER_02 (18:18):
And that's just ain't Dave saying this.
This is Washington Fish and Gamedoing studies and saying this.
SPEAKER_04 (18:22):
Well, and it's experience.
Aaron's experience, yourexperience, my experience.
We've all experienced the samething.
You saw this buck last year.
unknown (18:30):
Yep.
SPEAKER_04 (18:31):
You figured him out this year, and now you got them
on the ground.
SPEAKER_02 (18:34):
It's fun.
You could take last year'sinformation and really apply it
year to year to year, yeah,instead of that white tail or
mule deer hunt where it's almostjust a random thing, right?
SPEAKER_04 (18:44):
Right, right.
But what do we say in incoaching there, Aaron?
SPEAKER_01 (18:47):
Build one season off, next season off the last
season.
SPEAKER_04 (18:50):
Yeah, that's how you do it.
SPEAKER_01 (18:52):
Yeah.
So thinking about that, wasthere anything so 2020 your 2024
season that you look back andrealize, oh, you know what?
I kind of messed that up thatyou were able to fix this year,
or was it yes, what was that?
SPEAKER_02 (19:09):
September early season.
I messed that up.
Last in in 2024, I had thenarrow four and I had the wide
four coming in.
Uh-huh.
And of course, it's different.
You could bait and stuff within,but you can but I had those
bucks that September, that firstweek of September in the pattern
still.
Like that summer pattern.
(19:31):
I didn't realize that.
I should have taken and andyeah, I got the narrow four, and
that's awesome.
And I got them in November 15thor whatever it was, right?
SPEAKER_04 (19:40):
But and a great buck.
Yeah, a great buck.
Not just a great first buck, agreat buck.
A lot of guys would love to killthat buck.
Yeah.
And then you just went and outdid yourself this year.
SPEAKER_02 (19:52):
The thing is, though, I got them in November
when the sense and the systemworks the best, but I sat
another 16 or whatever, 14, 10times when really you can't if
by locating, by the locatingjust aspect of the system, you
can pattern them for that firstweek or two in September and
maybe harvest them.
(20:13):
Absolutely.
Yeah, absolutely.
And that's what I did this year,and so that's what I learned.
And going over the story on WideFour here, I had that first week
of September off because I knewthat they lose their velvet,
they're going to stay in thatsummer routine just for a little
bit longer.
And that was my chance to getthem that early season.
SPEAKER_04 (20:30):
That's your window.
SPEAKER_02 (20:31):
And Dave, you Dave, you like the hair, the longer
hair, the late season.
I do.
You like, I just wanted to killthis buck.
Yeah.
That was my goal.
SPEAKER_04 (20:39):
As you look around the room here, we can look at my
pedestal book there.
There's a summer coat on that.
I killed that one September 3rd.
And a nice five by five.
And it's like, well, no, there'sno bad time to kill a big buck.
SPEAKER_00 (20:49):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (20:50):
I take that back.
When it's out of season, that'sa bad time.
But in season, there's no badtime to kill a big buck.
And regardless of what thesummer coat or winter coat is,
but I do love the look of thewinter coat.
But it's fun, it's all fun.
SPEAKER_01 (21:04):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And you still beat him.
You still found him.
SPEAKER_04 (21:09):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (21:09):
Yeah.
You still got it done.
So two years in a row.
Two years in a row.
SPEAKER_02 (21:15):
And my first uh Pope and Young.
So that was the la the narrowfour was just out of that.
Yeah, just shy.
Just shy.
SPEAKER_00 (21:23):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (21:24):
And it didn't matter.
I mean, score doesn't matter oranything.
I had that four-point.
I had it, yeah.
He's a four-point.
And this year, actually, widefour.
We talk about it, but he's onlya three-point.
He's just that wide three point.
He lost a fourth point last yearthat he had last year.
But he's a poping young buck,and that's what my goal was, and
got him down.
SPEAKER_04 (21:43):
Now, was he this heavy?
SPEAKER_02 (21:45):
He was not.
He gained some inches on thelength, and then he was not near
as heavy.
SPEAKER_04 (21:49):
So and I gotta tell you guys, I'm looking at this
buck right now in front of me,and he has got great mass.
Yeah, he carries it all the wayup.
SPEAKER_01 (21:58):
Very wide, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (21:59):
Yep, yep.
So I don't know they lost apoint as much as it went more
back into mass on him.
And that's a heavy buck.
SPEAKER_02 (22:07):
And you could see the genetics.
I'm watching some forkies andstuff like that that are really
swooping wide.
He's almost 20 inches wide, butI'm seeing some littler bucks
that you could see thisoffspring.
I mean, it's just that samegenetics in that area.
SPEAKER_01 (22:20):
So I didn't actually write this in the notes when I
was planning this out, but itjust occurred to me.
But you might actually know thisoff the top of your head because
you're a data guy.
The five factors.
Do you know how many you had onthat particular day, September
20th, when you were hunting?
Yep.
The storm was coming.
SPEAKER_02 (22:41):
Nice.
Yep, the storm was coming.
SPEAKER_04 (22:43):
So again, weather weather front?
SPEAKER_02 (22:45):
The temperature was dropping.
SPEAKER_04 (22:46):
20 degree swing.
SPEAKER_02 (22:48):
And it wasn't quite a red moon, but it was close.
Shoulder of it.
Okay.
And of course, we don't have therut factor.
And then the barometric pressurewas going up.
It wasn't at that 30.2, but itwas going up and it was over 30.
Nice.
SPEAKER_04 (23:01):
You had that.
Nice.
SPEAKER_02 (23:02):
You really had that storm, the temperature, and the
barometric pressure.
Not quite the red moon.
So you had three of them.
SPEAKER_04 (23:08):
Yeah.
Almost four.
SPEAKER_02 (23:09):
But just like Chris with Bambino last year, early
season, right?
That storm coming and takingadvantage of it because he came
out just early enough.
SPEAKER_03 (23:19):
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_02 (23:20):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (23:20):
And that's all it takes.
Yep.
SPEAKER_01 (23:23):
But and I brought that up.
I'm glad I actually thoughtabout that because that's
something when we're looking atgoing out hunting, that even
though thinking of this lastweek, I don't see deer on my set
in October.
They show up in November.
But I had four out of five ofthe five factors almost all
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week.
And I'm like, I have to go sitand see.
SPEAKER_04 (23:47):
But if it's something that you are
forgetting, Aaron, is that youdid see rud activity on your
walk in where you normally whereyou saw it last year, you hadn't
seen any this year, but on yourwalk in this last week.
SPEAKER_01 (23:57):
There was a little bit, yeah.
A couple of rubs that were new.
Yeah, a few rubs that were new,but and I could hear them moving
in a couple spots.
So I knew that they were close.
It's just over to getting overto my area.
It's that waiting for December31st type of thing last year,
where when you start seeingthem.
But that's when I will.
(24:18):
But yeah, it's one of those,it's really important.
And I know that has been ourmost popular episode.
And even the original and thenthe replay that we did in
August, that it's knowing whatthose days are afternoon,
morning hunts, where you shouldbe hunting setup.
(24:38):
You know, is it I'm in atransition zone, that's going to
be perfect, or I'm at the edgeof a bedding area, that's
perfect.
Yeah.
It's all those different factorsand knowing all that, that data
collection.
SPEAKER_02 (24:50):
Even if you don't take the class or any of these
courses, you should followthose.
Just it's bettering your odds.
It's not saying just like you,it's not saying it's a give me,
right?
But more deer movement ishappening and it's just going to
better your odds.
Absolutely.
And it took me a while last yearto figure that out, really, you
know.
But then after you figure itout, you're like, oh, something,
(25:11):
there's a really good chance ofsomething coming out.
Yeah.
And you can kind of call it,right?
Like something happened.
Not saying again, I've sat thereplenty of times when there was
barometric pressure going up orsomething, and I didn't see my
target buck or a good buck toshoot, right?
But it betters your odds.
SPEAKER_04 (25:26):
And it's something to be said, because the first
couple, the first season youstart thinking about the five
factors.
There is a sense of is thisreally going to work?
Am I wasting my time?
Do I understand this the way Ineed?
There's some hesitancy that youhave to work through.
But once you get a little bit ofsuccess, and that success
(25:48):
doesn't have to be putting abuck on the ground, it may be
seeing more deer movement, andthey may all be does.
But all of a sudden, I've gotthree out of the five, and man,
that deer activity just it wentthrough the roof tonight.
If I can get four, can youimagine that?
And then a lot of guys, thefirst season they use it, they
can't remember all five.
SPEAKER_00 (26:06):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (26:06):
And it seems like a hassle.
Oh, I gotta check this and checkthis and check this.
But after you do it for aseason, the next season, it's
like, no, I don't even thinkabout going out without checking
that first.
And I know all five of themright off the top of my head,
and it's not an inconvenience.
I can look a week ahead.
Oh crap, I need to be out onthat day.
Yeah because there's a highprobability.
SPEAKER_01 (26:27):
And Aaron, you're a fine example of this because
Wednesday, I was not gonna goout, but I'm like, I have four
out of five.
I have to go out and stand,yeah.
Uh you know, or go out into myblind because it's but you saw
that last year, though.
SPEAKER_04 (26:40):
You had some success with that last year as far as
the five factors, yeah.
And so this year, and it's notsaying that you're wasting your
time if you don't have any ofthose factors.
It's hunting.
You just have so much moreconfidence, and that's a huge
role in being successful isbeing confident in what you're
doing.
A little success goes a longway, and a little bit of
(27:01):
confidence can take you from aguy that that and I don't want
to that that shoot somethingthat they're not happy with, let
me just say that every year, andversus somebody who's like, Man,
I've reached my goal the lasttwo out of three years, or three
out of four years, or I've gonethree out of five years and
killed my target bucks everythose three years.
(27:22):
Man, when you do that, thoseseasons where you don't feel a
tag, you're okay with it.
It's like because I can go intonext year, it's like, oh now
it's getting fun.
SPEAKER_01 (27:30):
But you have that confidence in the system.
You have that confidence becauseyou're able to troubleshoot by
what you know.
Oh, I'm not in the right spot.
I need to move 60 yards.
You're able to troubleshoot.
You did that this year.
So you have that confidence.
That's the great part ofediting, but you have that
(27:52):
confidence of being able totweak the system, the tweak it
to what you need to do.
SPEAKER_02 (28:01):
That's one thing I learned in the class, though,
and not and maybe expectationsare a little bit different.
When you take the class, Dave,you teach us so well.
It's like you do one, you dotwo, one plus two equals three,
right?
It's just like that.
And you lay that out, and it's areally, really good example.
But I feel like there's alwaysgoing to be tweaks to whether
it's your location or whetherthe buck just going in a
(28:24):
different area or whatever.
It there's always gonna be thattweaks.
That's how important it is toget feet on the ground, boots on
the ground, and get learningthat area, right?
You could take this class andyou could think, oh, I got it
dialed.
But until you go and get thoseboots on the ground and learn
that area, learn those travelpast, learn that core area,
(28:44):
learn like this one, where hewas really entering into that
core area or exiting that corearea, you just don't have it.
You have to do it, you have todo it yourself, go on the
ground.
SPEAKER_04 (28:54):
And that's funny you say it like that because we've
got a group from NorthernCalifornia that's listening in,
and to everybody down there,thank you so much.
We appreciate all the kind wordsand everybody reaching out to
us.
SPEAKER_01 (29:06):
But thoughts for shows, thank you, Anna.
SPEAKER_04 (29:08):
Yep.
Sometimes we hear, well, ourhabitat's different because
we're in southwest Washington,it's a rainforest.
Yeah, you go down to southernOregon, they got a lot more
scrub oak, they don't have asnear as much as the firs that we
do up here, and you get downinto Northern California, and
there's I mean, even less as faras some parts down there, and
guys are like, Well, we don'tknow what you're talking about.
(29:30):
This is black tailed deer orblack tailed deer.
There's characteristics thatthis deer has that is going to
it's transferable wherever yougo.
These deer are habitual in whatthey do, they have a sense of
what they want to accomplish,they're purpose-driven, and a
lot of it it's all based onsurvival.
(29:50):
And so if you learned it uphere, you can apply it down
there, it'll work.
unknown (29:55):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (29:55):
You know, I was thinking another thing about the
tweaks.
Like when I walked in, I wasdoing a drag every day when I
walked in the last 300 yards orso.
Right, right.
You had never even considereddoing something like that.
SPEAKER_04 (30:08):
I would only do my drags like.
Like two times at the most aseason.
SPEAKER_01 (30:12):
And but because of the reaction of me just doing a
little tweak like that,something that you had hadn't
done, you saw the results ofthat.
Right.
I had the battle scene in in themiddle of that skitter road
where tufts of fur because twodeer went at it, and 300 yards
(30:33):
of rubs.
So it yeah, it ends up changingwhat you ended up doing or
thinking about doing this shit.
Yeah, dang, if that's gonna, youknow, you can manipulate their
behavior that much.
SPEAKER_04 (30:45):
Right.
Honestly, I've learned a lotfrom just the pro staff.
That's the great thing about ourcommunity is that we got guys
that everybody is blacktailcrazy.
Everybody likes killing goodblacktail bucks, and we enjoy
that hunt and everything.
So you got all these guys withpeople, I should say, with like
mindsets.
(31:05):
And so guys come up with stuffall the time and learning off of
each other.
Yeah, I mean, bud and hislocating, he's just taking it to
another level.
And if I'm asking him, yeah,hey, what are you looking for?
What are you doing?
Chris, who killed Bambino?
There's some things that he'staught me over the last year,
and I'm just like, that's agreat idea.
I and we talked about this offair.
I've just got a way of doing it,and I'm just teaching guys my
(31:28):
way of doing it.
That's all it is.
It's just how I do it.
And some guys are better at itthan I am, and I'm okay with
that.
SPEAKER_01 (31:35):
Yeah.
So let's talk about next year.
Do you have a target buck fornext year?
SPEAKER_02 (31:41):
That's what's different about this year.
I do not have one right now.
Okay.
But I'm running the sense, andI'm I'm got cameras out.
Okay.
I have an up and comer.
He's a real wide two-point.
Old do you think he is fromlooking at the pictures?
I think he's hitting that fourand a half.
I really feel like this year ornext year.
I don't know.
It's hard to tell.
I'm not as good as you on that.
(32:03):
Probably should send you somepictures.
He's getting up there anyway,where it could really make a
difference.
He's almost as wide as his ears,and he's just real heavy, eye
guards.
This is my first year at thislocation.
So this is my first data setthat I'm getting in this area.
So I don't know what thegenetics are, what really
happens here.
Right.
So it's hard to tell, but uh,maybe next year he could he has
(32:25):
potential just to be just likethis wide four right here.
It's really similar.
SPEAKER_04 (32:29):
Guys, this is a dandy buck I'm looking at right
here.
It is absolutely a toad.
SPEAKER_02 (32:33):
Now, do you have multiple sets?
I have two sets right now.
Okay.
Last year I had four.
Okay.
Learning this, and I found outsomewhere a bust just because
they were too open, or I didn'tfind that that core area.
Now I have two, and I'm reallyjust focusing on this.
But mainly I had so much, and Ionly had that second set for a
backup, right?
(32:54):
You know, just like the cougarstory coming in and busting
everything out and ruining yourfirst set or whatever might
happen.
But my main goal and my all allmy attention was on wide four
here.
Nice.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (33:05):
Awesome.
And sometimes you need to failto succeed.
You know what I mean?
You find those sets that are abust, like you were saying,
that's great.
Yeah.
I don't count that as a failure.
A lot of guys will go, well, Ican't figure no.
You have figured something out.
You figured out that's not whereyou need to be.
That there's something aboutthat habitat that that deer does
not want to be there.
(33:26):
So that's a success becauseyou've just eliminated that spot
off your checklist.
SPEAKER_02 (33:30):
And it's not even eliminating it.
I guess I should say it's notreal overall bust.
There was so much deer sign inthere, and there was rub's
galore, but I just was not inthat bedroom window that you
teach us to find.
I was not in that area of thatlocating.
I needed to fine-tune that, andI just went a different
direction once I had these othersets.
SPEAKER_04 (33:50):
Taking all the activity was at night.
SPEAKER_02 (33:51):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (33:52):
Gotcha.
SPEAKER_01 (33:53):
Okay.
So next year, are you going tobe branching out and finding
even more sets, or are you justgoing to dial in on the ones
that you've got to see whathappens with those?
Oh, it's always more.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (34:04):
It's always more.
It's addicting, especially whenyou really use those cameras and
find these areas.
SPEAKER_04 (34:09):
Yeah.
I remember Bud when he first gotthe locating down.
SPEAKER_02 (34:13):
Nine sets.
SPEAKER_04 (34:14):
Oh my gosh.
And I mean, that's duringseason.
He's running nine to twelvedifferent sets.
But I promise you, every time hecalled me that season, he had
another shooter, another recordbook book that he'd found.
I think he had like seven.
And I was like, seven that wouldmake the books.
And I was just like, Wow, man,you're set for the longest time.
(34:36):
But yeah, but then he startedgiving them away.
Of course, I got no room totalk.
I've done the same thing.
And that is fun.
Because you just like, it's thattreasure.
Can I find that next treasure?
Yeah.
You know.
SPEAKER_01 (34:47):
Well, that was mine.
I've got my three sets that I'mmonitoring.
And it's almost like, gosh, Igot bucks for years that I could
go after.
And that's just what the threeI've got.
But boy, do I really want to gointo this spot or do I want to
go into this spot?
I've talked about Kenobi andAnakin that are about
(35:07):
three-quarters of a milestraight line away from each
other, but they both show somepalmation to their antlers.
And I think, like in betweenthere, I need to go scout in
that spot in between there andlook what's but I'm like, I
don't need to go in there.
I've got enough other spots thatI just need to keep focusing on
(35:28):
those because there's enoughgreat bucks there, but it is.
It's always tempting to ohdriving down the road.
Oh, that's some great habitatright there.
Do you do that now where you'redriving down the road and you're
just eyeballing the habitateverywhere?
SPEAKER_02 (35:41):
And then you hit those speed bumps or those
turtles on the freeway.
SPEAKER_03 (35:45):
Oh, oh, no, I never do that.
SPEAKER_02 (35:47):
Nope.
One thing that will be differentfor next year is I have a lot of
elk points in Oregon.
And I got a couple kills with myarchery equipment that I'm going
to burn my elk points in Oregonand go on an archery hunt.
So that September is going tobe, this is going into the
planning and strategy andeverything.
That September is probably goingto be booked up, right?
(36:09):
I don't feel like I'm going tobe able to do what I did this
year for next year.
It's going to have to take abig, big buck because my focus
will be there.
But that's the cool thing aboutthis system.
You got the September early justbecause you're the locating, or
even in the rifle hunters inOctober, right?
You do the locating, you got ithalf dialed or three quarters
dialed, right?
But I'll probably plan on thatOctober or November kind of time
(36:32):
frame and set for the blacktailbecause I'll be doing the Elk
Hunt next year.
SPEAKER_01 (36:36):
Yeah.
And you on Archery, you havelate Archery.
So you have December as well.
Yes.
That is an option for you.
You could wait even more.
But like you said, it's they'rethere now.
Might as well go after them now.
Totally.
Yeah.
Totally.
Why wait?
So, anyway, thank you for comingon again and sharing your story.
(36:58):
Always, it's always great tohear about someone being
successful.
And even realizing how theirstruggles turning that into
success.
So thank you for coming on.
Appreciated hearing that.
And we will talk to you all nextweek.
SPEAKER_02 (37:13):
Thanks.
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