August 18, 2025 • 39 mins
The whitetail hunting industry has conditioned us to believe that spraying a little doe estrus will magically bring in monster bucks within 30 minutes. Nothing could be further from the truth, especially when hunting the elusive blacktail deer. Aaron and Dave tackle the complex world of deer scents, pheromones, and attractants - explaining what actually works and the science behind why.
The podcast dives deep into calming pheromones like HODAG scent rope and EverCalm, explaining how they create communication hubs and safe spaces that alter deer behavior over time rather than producing immediate results. The hosts share their field-tested insights on which commercial urines work for specific phases of the rut, emphasizing that timing and purpose matter more than brand names.
Perhaps most enlightening is their breakdown of cover scents and scent elimination strategies. From the science behind Nose Jammer's "vapor lock" effect to comprehensive approaches involving specialized laundry detergents, field sprays, and antimicrobial merino wool base layers, Aaron and Dave methodically explain their complete scent control system. They challenge common misconceptions while offering practical advice for hunters struggling with scent-wary deer.
What separates this episode from typical hunting advice is the emphasis on patience, consistent application, and realistic expectations. These strategies aren't quick fixes but rather systematic approaches that manipulate deer behavior over weeks and months. Whether you're new to hunting or a seasoned veteran looking to up your scent game, this episode provides the knowledge foundation needed for consistent success on trophy blacktails.
Ready to implement these game-changing scent strategies in your hunting areas? Visit blacktailcoach.com to learn more about our comprehensive courses that teach the specific how-to methods behind these proven techniques.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to the Blacktail Coach.
I'm Aaron and I'm Dave.
So this week we're going totalk about why the nose knows.
We're going to cover a lot ofdifferent scents and pheromones
and cover scents, all of thatand explain kind of what we use
and why we use it and some ofthe things that we don't
(00:20):
necessarily use.
We'll try to cover it all.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
So any initial thoughts I don't know how to
quite say this, but I think whatwe're going to do is dispel a
lot of misnomers about when itcomes to sense.
In my seminars I talk about hownot all sense are created equal
, and I think this is a goodopportunity for us to explain
(00:43):
why we say that, and as we getinto this we'll delve into that
and kind of enlighten what theaverage hunter needs to know.
When it comes to scents, Ithink they're underutilized.
I think the expectations arecompletely wrong and I believe
the average hunter doesn't knowwhat to expect, except what he
(01:04):
sees on a 30-minute show on TV.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yeah, spray a little here and there and you've got
the monster buck, and within 30minutes you should be seeing
buck activity and you know.
Big buck down.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Not quite realistic.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
That's putting it nicely.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Might take more than 30 minutes, maybe, Right?
So let's start off with.
And I labeled them as calmingpheromones.
Would you say that's accurate?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I would say absolutely 100%.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
When you're dealing with an animal that is
completely high strung.
I mean they jump, string onbows and the average guy is
shooting anywhere from 240 to290 feet per second.
That's the average guy.
Mm-hmm.
You know, somewhere in thatrange most guys fall into and I
can't duck an arrow going 240feet per second.
(01:59):
But a deer can.
But a deer can and does it allthe time.
Yeah, so they're pretty highstrung, and so getting them to
calm down, yeah, that's at leasthow I feel.
That's pretty important.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Or just switch over to rifle and 2,800 feet per
second.
Yeah.
They're jumping, but they'renot jumping straight, just
dropping Yep.
Okay.
So the first one that we use aHODAC scent rope.
Yes so actually, why don't youexplain the what so HODAC scent
(02:33):
rope?
What is that?
What is its purpose?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
The purpose of a HODAC scent rope is to create a
communication hub, basically.
So if I'm going out out and Iusually do this, uh, I like to
start this when the weatherstarts drying out.
So somewhere around the 4th ofJuly, I'm going to start putting
out my Hoda accent robes Okay,and they're real easy.
It explains on the packageexactly how to do it.
(02:59):
But what you're doing is isyou're creating a communication
hub.
In other words, when I'mputting out minerals and protein
, I'm words when I'm putting outminerals and protein, I'm
putting that out with a purpose,and the purpose behind that is
to help my bucks reach theirabsolute maximum potential.
Okay, the second purpose is tohelp my does be as completely
(03:20):
healthy as I can get them,because the doe plays more of a
role in the caliber of buck thanthe buck does.
Okay.
So it's herd genetics that arepassed on to that buck and that
gets into culling and all that.
But we won't talk about cullingthe herd here.
We're going to talk about thisother stuff.
So I put it out with a purpose.
(03:41):
The Hodag scent rope is put outwith the purpose of helping me
catalog what's in the area.
I may not see my target buck,but what I'm doing is I'm
creating a hub where these deerare going to come and they're
going to rub their orbitalglands on this rope and it's
their way of communicating tothe other deer in the area hey,
(04:01):
I'm here, this is who I am, yada, yada, yada, you know.
Kind of giving them the scriptof hey, you know, I'm a part of
this area, this is where I walk,this is where I travel and
familiarizing themselves withthe other deer in the area.
And this plays a role later onwhen we get into the rut where
we introduce a buck that theydon't know.
(04:25):
Yeah.
This helps in that response.
That Hodag scent rope helps inthat response.
So what I'm doing is I'mcreating a place where these
deer can communicate one toanother, and it's granting me
the opportunity to catalog whatI have and to watch them grow
throughout the summer.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Okay, so, so the next one for calming that we use is
EverCalm.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
EverCalm.
So that is a pheromone thatdoes put out in bedding areas.
Okay.
Okay, and it's a calmingpheromone.
It helps them relax, so doeswant to relax in in, obviously
in bedding areas, becausebedding areas is where they
sleep and anybody who has goneto bed nervous or excited or you
know, it's hard to fall asleep.
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So they put out this pheromonethat helps other deer in the
area.
It doesn't just calm the doethat's there, it calms the other
deer.
If you've ever been trying totake a nap in a house full of
kids that are running around andplaying, you see what I'm
saying.
So that's kind of the analogythat I can give for that.
It calms everybody down andhelps them relax.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
So I got an image of like Ritalin just being passed
out to kids NyQuil.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
NyQuil, if you're serious and you need immediate
relief.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
There you go, there you go.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Don't give NyQuil to your children.
I think it's against the law.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
But this calming pheromone, evercalm by Conquest
Sense man, it's a game changerin how much it'll help get that
buck to daylight.
It really it brings them in andthey start hanging out at your
set.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
And it tells it this is a safe spot to be in Exactly.
Exactly Now?
Are there any other calmingpheromones that are?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Those are the two that we use.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Those are the two that we use.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah, and basically those, and I really haven't had
to go with anything else.
I mean, aaron, I'm chasing abig record book buck every year
yeah.
And I've really, you know, I'vegot a room full of mounts and
so I'm pretty happy with theoutcome of there.
I haven't had to look anywhereelse.
I guess, what I'm trying to saythe hoedag throughout the
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summer, when it starts gettingback into the rainy season, it's
hard to keep that scent on itbecause it just drips right out
of it.
Yeah.
It's a hemp rope and then as weget into season and we start
going into the first rut and thesecond rut and everything like
that, I put out that EverCalm,which is waterproof, and I
(06:57):
usually only have to do it once,I think at the most twice a
season.
Yeah.
And it's covered, we're good.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yeah, and you can store it from season to season,
as long as it's in a ziploc bagand it stinks.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Oh, my goodness gracious yeah, it looks like a
deodorant stick, but it justit's terrible it's horrible, it
is I don't know if it calms themor it kills them just wipes out
some brain cells it oh, it'sterrible.
It's terrible, but the packageitself is a Ziploc seal on it so
that you can and you just keepit in a cool spot.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Now let's talk about urines.
Don't estrus and buck urine.
Okay, I would say just whywould you use those?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
uh, just why would you use those?
Uh, I would say.
I would counter that with whywouldn't you uh?
for the simple, reason that I'mtrying to create an illusion,
and in order to do that, I I'vegot to to have this buck.
Think that there are multipledoes here, that there are, uh,
other challenger bucks.
Um, that, yeah, I have tocreate an illusion and and the
only way to do that is by usingscent pheromones and attractants
(08:12):
, and to me, the urine is anattractant for the time of year
that I want to hunt that buck.
But this gets into what I wastalking about initially when I
said that not all cents arecreated equal, so I'm a pro
staffer for Buck Ventures.
Yeah.
Our sponsor is Tinks.
We have our pro staff meetingevery April.
(08:35):
So we fly down to Oklahoma andTinks is there.
So the representatives forTinks, they're there and they've
got all of their new productsthat they're going to bring out
on the market before they'veeven been introduced as far as
commercially to the public.
And they take us in a room.
You know they break us up intogroups and everything, and so
(08:55):
they'll take this group in theroom and they basically sit us
down and they say this is ournew product.
This product is created for thisphase of the rut.
This product over here, this isour old product.
This product is created forthis phase of the rut.
This product over here, this isour old product.
This product is created forthis phase of the rut.
This product is made for thepre-rut and the post-rut.
(09:15):
This product is made for theentirety of the rut.
So just because it says doe andestrus or dominant buck,
doesn't mean that it's made forthe entirety of the rut.
Every scent is made for aspecific part of the rut.
There are a few that are madefor the entirety, but there are
those that are made for thepre-rut, the mid-rut, the
post-rut, the chasing phase, theseeking phase, all of that.
(09:39):
So you really need to have theright expectation placed on the
scent that you're using, mm-hmm.
So, and I think that it's a,it's a, it's a oh boy.
It's a tragedy when guys sitthere and watch TV and we all do
it for entertainment.
(09:59):
We watch the hunting shows forentertainment, but we also watch
it to glean something off of it, right?
So it's a tragedy when theywatch it and they walk away
thinking, man, that guy usedthis scent and if I just put
this out I'll get a buck to comein.
And the reality is, is it?
All you got to do is take anddo a little bit of research and
you'll figure out what phase ofthe rut or what time of year is
(10:24):
that scent made for.
You know, hodag does great inthe summertime, okay, because
we're trying to get these deerto come in, and, you know,
socialize.
Yeah.
You know, give us a head countand everything like that.
You know, when we get to therut, the bucks don't want to be
around other bucks.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
No.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
You know.
So it's like well, why is hegoing to come into that whole
day?
Well, I'm spinning my wheels byputting that out, Right?
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah, plus he already knows by then what's out there.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Who his competition is.
What's out there?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
who.
His competition is Right.
And if I'm hunting post-rut andI'm using a scent that's
designed for the pre-rut, it'scounterintuitive.
And so, yeah, everybody needsto do a little bit of research,
or come to the class and I'lltell you.
Yep.
Sign up for one of my coursesand I'll tell you what that
scent is made for.
And when you realize that, thenputting the puzzle together,
(11:19):
pieces of the puzzle together,to get this buck to daylight
becomes that much easier.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
So we want to give you information to help with
your hunts and stuff.
But, yeah, you need to come tothe class if you want the how.
We'll give you the why and thewhat, but not the how that we
want you to be part of ourcommunity.
I know there's different brands.
We've actually used severaldifferent brands.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
We use, obviously, moccasin Joe.
They're big in the Northwest,they do a lot of blacktail stuff
, but you know, in all honesty,it doesn't have to be blacktail.
We also use Tinks.
Tinks is my sponsor and I use alot of Tinks 69 and the Peak 30
and that kind of stuff.
So again, it's just knowingwhen and where to use it.
(12:02):
And then the James Valley James.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Valley, we started using it.
Read about that, I believe,scott Haugen Haugen yep, he was
the one who really likes usingthat, and so I went ahead and
bought some the Doan, estrus and, I believe, wallhanger, which
they recommend for the PacificNorthwest.
This is concentrated, it stinksand you only use a little bit
(12:27):
of it.
And what's great is theyactually send you a whole full
page of instructions on how touse this.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Right right.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Which is really great , but it's very potent stuff and
very effective.
That's all I used last year onmy sets and it was bringing in
bucks and-.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Right, yeah, right.
But you know again, all scentsare not, they're not created
equal.
But at the same time, you know,getting back to expectations,
you can't just simply put thisout and expect something to
happen right away.
Back to expectations.
You can't just simply put thisout and expect something to
happen right away.
This is something sense aremade so that you it's a
progression of things as you putthem out, you start to
(13:08):
manipulate behavior, but youknow it's not something that
happens.
You know first, second time outyeah you know you, you've got to
be regular with that stuff.
And I you know again, in thecourses we go over how to do
that, when to do it, where to doit and all of that.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
All the specifics.
Now there is also a differenceand in a few weeks we're going
to actually have someone come on, a special guest, who's going
to talk about CWD, someone whoreally knows what they're
talking about and unlike us, whowould just read the same
articles you could and try topiece together.
We have someone who knows whatthey're talking about, but in
(13:49):
several areas they've bannedDoan, estrus and buck urine 100%
urine 100% urine, so you haveto go with synthetic Right Now.
what is the difference betweensynthetic and the 100% urine?
100% urine, so you have to gowith synthetic Right Now.
What is the difference betweensynthetic and the 100%?
Speaker 2 (14:02):
As far as the difference, as far as results or
effectiveness, I haven'tnoticed any.
They've both been reallyeffective.
I wouldn't say one is anybetter than the other or one is
worse than the other.
They both work.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Yeah, we have a pro staff who were down in Oregon.
We're up in Washington and theyhave to use the synthetic.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yeah, they can't use any pure urine.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
But as far as when they say synthetic in my mind
I'm thinking chemicals mixed upin the lab that it's not actual
urine.
Is that the case as far as youknow?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
You know what?
I'd just be guessing if I saidyou know, I really haven't and
maybe I should, maybe I shouldtake the time and read up on
that um, but I have not, uh,done any kind of study on it to
figure out what exactly it is orhow it's made or anything like
that.
Um, I guess I'm kind of likethe average guy.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
I just buy the bottle and squeeze but depending where
you're at, that is somethingthat you'll want to make sure
that you understand what yourlocal laws are and you do want
to observe whatever your locallaws are, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
And you know, even in Washington you can use 100%
pure urine.
But I've gone trying to getmore Doan, estrus or Buck urine
or whatever and they've been outand all they had was synthetic
and I they had was synthetic andI've used the synthetic and,
like I said, I don't notice anydifference.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
So one thing, actually, we forgot about this.
One thing about the JamesValley that I like is because
it's a concentrate and it's morelike a gel, it actually holds
up with our rain.
It holds up better.
So, you don't quite lose if it'sgoing to be raining a lot.
You don't lose that scent asquickly.
(15:45):
Eventually it is going to washaway, and it's not one that you
would be using on a regularbasis.
It's kind of you do it once andyou might come in and refresh
it down the road, but it lingersa little bit longer than than
the like a moccasin gel rightright now tinks.
I know we had it's kind of aspray of their don't estrus, but
(16:09):
it was a gel, is that?
How do you know if there's anydifference with that and how it
holds up to the?
Speaker 2 (16:15):
now, anything that, anything that's a gel, is going
to hold up better to the rainthan the spray.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
But Tinks also, and you can still find this in some
places.
Not very many places have itleft.
They stopped making it, butTinks did make a black-tailed
Doan estrus at one time.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
And you know they had it in the bottles that spray
like 12, 15 feet.
Yeah.
You know, they had it in thebottles that spray like 12, 15
feet.
Yeah, you know, and I know oneof our pro staffers bought a
whole bunch of it and I thinkhe's out now.
But if you search hard enoughyou can find it.
But if you got whitetail,whitetail works just as good.
Mm-hmm, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Yeah, and all of James Valley is all whitetail.
Yeah.
Yeah, Again, it seemed to workjust fine once it was put out.
So moving along attractants.
So what is an attractant?
Speaker 2 (17:05):
So an attractant is different than a urine or a
doanesterous.
An attractant is something thatis, I want to describe it as an
accessory.
Okay, so this is something ontop of my urines that I'm
putting out Now.
Whether that is a big and Jproduct or a buck bomb of sorts,
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it's not my main thing, it's aone-time shot kind of thing.
So if, when I go out and I domy sets, you know, and we go
through the class and I showthese guys exactly what I do,
where I do it, how I do it, whenI do it, the portion I do it in
and everything, okay, theseattractants may be something
that I do, the one-time shotwhen I'm hunting.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Like.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I'm going to hunt today, so I'm going to put this
out.
Use this buck bomb and seecause I've already I've
manipulated behavior.
I've already got this as a partof routine for these deer.
You know, now I need a littleextra, you know, maybe to pull
that buck in, like 15 minutesbefore dark or 20 minutes before
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dark, something like that, youknow, to get him over there.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
So when we're saying attractants, so the urine, which
does work as an attractant toan extent.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yes, to an extent, yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
But it's creating the idea that there's another buck
or another doe out there Nowattractants.
Is that creating the idea thatthere's food out there, a food
source, or is it that and more?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
So you got to be careful.
When you start talking aboutbaiting, it's a touchy subject
for a lot of people.
(18:54):
Okay, there are those that arevery dead against it, and I get
it, I understand.
And there are those that sayyou know, I don't have a problem
doing I think.
Well, that's a way ofmaintaining a healthy deer herd.
Yeah.
It helps you to have selectharvest and at the same time, I
also know and anybody that'sbaited bear knows that just
because you put food out theredoesn't mean they're going to
come in.
Yeah.
That food's out there at night.
You know what's making themcome in the daytime.
(19:14):
They don't have to.
Yeah.
They don't have to because thatfood's at night and they know
they're safe at night, and notto mention that, man, they can
eat probably 50% of everythingthat's out there.
So food doesn't make bucksdaylight.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yeah, here you know it might be more of a necessity
in maybe Southern Oregon drier,less vegetation, but here it
seems like up further norththere's a lot of vegetation out
there, a lot of stuff for themto eat.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Right, and we don't get the hard winters typically
where they're.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
It's killed everything off.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yeah, and they're digging like two feet down in
the snow to get to something toeat.
It isn't like that over here.
Yeah.
And so yeah, so food as far asan attractant, it's probably
more for the does and thesmaller bucks, but for the
bigger bucks they're just toosmart.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
But thinking when I was asking about food.
So Big and Jay or the BuckBombs different attractants so
we use to die for is one of theones that we use quite a bit.
Is that giving the deer a sensethat there's a food source?
Is that how it's attracting, sothey smell that and they think,
oh, there's some food overthere that I need to go
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investigate.
Or is it triggering somethingelse?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
So when I use like to die for and wet cob or dry cob
or stuff like that, it's usuallyin the summertime, and wet cob
or dry cob or stuff like that,it's usually in the summertime.
And again, where I'm trying tomaintain good herd health, all
those things have protein inthem.
Okay.
Okay, so when I put out mineral, I never put out mineral
without protein.
Yeah.
(20:52):
Because you'll make your deersick, They'll come in, they'll
hit the mineral.
If there's no protein there,they get bloated, they get sick
to their stomach.
They don't want to come back tothat mineral again.
They may come back one moretime, but they typically don't
hit it again.
So when I do minerals I want todo protein.
So Big N' J has a lot ofproducts on the market that are
long range attractants that haveprotein in them.
(21:12):
So when I'm trying to catalogdeer that's what I'm trying to
do.
But when that buck comes in inthe summertime and he's sitting
there and he's hitting theminerals and he's hitting the
protein or the attractant, healso recognizes, because he
lives his life through his nose,that he's smelling other does
coming in there.
Okay.
So that's what I want him topick up on, okay, and then we
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have the hoedag, you know, andwe piece all these things
together and we create thisillusion.
And that is what we're tryingto do to manipulate the behavior
okay so it isn't.
It isn't so much a lot of thethe products like, like big and
jay, whether it's a block orsomething like that, if you
can't keep it dry yeah, in thewintertime.
(21:58):
They don't want it.
Yeah.
Because it'll mildew, becauseeverything out there has sugar
in it.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
The block holds up I've seen fairly well Unless
there's a bear in the area.
So we do our scouting.
We're like January intoFebruary we're doing scouting
and we'll throw those out thento get them some protein, but
it's before the bears.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Because as soon as the bears get up, they will just
sit there and eat those blocksdown to nothing.
Yeah, in a couple of days.
Typically they have some kindof molasses or syrup in them and
and uh yeah, they don't takeany time.
Glue them all together yeah but.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
But the deer really do like those and they do, they
do come in for those, but yeahand it's it's different with
Bear candy.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
When I say that all scents aren't created equal, all
attractants are not createdequal either.
You have to find what your deer, in your area, especially
blacktail.
They are finicky, they can bepicky they are browsers.
They're not grazers.
You got to find what they want,what they're craving, and every
area is going to be a little.
You go to one area.
(23:02):
You put out, you know, trophyrock.
We got a guy that is in class.
He's using trophy rock andthey're all over it.
They're hammering it.
I've never had any good luckwith trophy rock.
Yeah, areas where I know and Imean I'll sit there and get a
picture, I could put that trophyrock next to another attractant
mineral sorts and and they'llhammer that other mineral and
(23:23):
they won't even give the trophyrock.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Two thoughts and I can't remember what we used.
It was one of the big and jproducts that to die for have
had pretty good success.
But there was another one andthe deer wouldn't touch it and
it just mildewed instead of themold legit legit yeah but other
guys very close by 20 miles awayswear by it.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yeah, they think it's the greatest I've had, that
same I've put legit out on oneset.
It does fantastic.
I put it on another set andit'll stay there through
december yeah I'll put it out infebruary and it'll stay there
through December.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
That's kind of what's happened with a couple of my
sets.
They could care less about it.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah, you just got to find what they like.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
It's a trial and error.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
It absolutely is, and it takes a little bit of money.
That's why we have the thinghere at the house.
We try stuff out.
Yeah.
And even then it may do goodhere and not, you know, on a set
it may just be a flop.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
So join our community because we actually we have
guys who try different stuff andyou know they'll throw it out
on the Facebook page andeverything of what they've tried
.
So it kind of short circuitswhat you having to try
everything.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Right right.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
You can just try a few things or just go with what
they said first and then, well,that didn't work.
I'll move on to the next Yep.
So the last thing we're goingto talk about is cover scents A
lot of different categories anddifferent products here.
But well, let's start with NoseJammer.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
So Nose Jammer is a great product that I feel is
underutilized, but I feel alsois probably more misunderstood
than anything else.
Okay, so Nose Jammer operateson the premise that a deer can
only smell six to eight thingsat one time.
Okay.
Once it gets past that, oncethat deer starts smelling more
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than that, like you and I, wecan only smell like two or three
different things at a time yeah.
The human nose is just not madeto smell more than that.
So you come into your houseafter work or whatnot your wife
is cooking spaghetti and you,you open the door and you can
smell the spaghetti, and maybeshe's cooking french bread, or
you know, maybe there'ssomething else that you pick up
on and you you can smell thosetwo things, but you can't smell
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the flowers on the table RightNecessarily.
Right, and then the deer.
However, can smell six to eightdifferent things at one time.
Once it gets past that, they gointo vapor lock.
So that is what nose jammer is.
It's nine plus different thingsinto that can, right, and when
you initially spray it, you andI smell vanilla.
Yeah.
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Right, right.
And when you initially spray it, you and I smell vanilla.
Yeah Right, and we'll smellthat vanilla for a few minutes
until our nose goes into vaporlock.
Yeah.
So when you're using nose jammer, again, you have to know what
its purpose is.
You have to know how itoperates.
So when I use nose jammer Idon't bring it out for the first
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time when I go into hunt.
It is something that I have tointroduce progressively over
weeks building up to that hunt.
I have to get that deer or thatbuck used to that nose because
he's going to smell that vanillaand some of the other things
that are in that for a fewminutes and then he's going to
go into vapor lock.
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Yeah, in that for a few minutesand then he's going to go into
vapor lock.
Yeah, so if I introduce thatthe day that I go out and he's
been coming into my set for thelast week and a half, whatever,
and I finally get a daylight picof him and I know he's going to
daylight that day, I go outthere and I'm like, well, I
can't afford an ozonics or Ididn't get to wash my clothes,
or you know, maybe you don'tthink, or somebody told you that
, that there's nothing to allthis cover, scent and whatnot.
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I don't.
However, you want to do it andyou introduce that nose jammer
and he smells that vanilla forthe first time.
Well, you've just changed it up.
Yeah, you've introducedsomething that he's not used to.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
This might be a good way to explain this.
So, when we smell something,there's the phenomena, I guess,
where you smell something andthen 30 minutes later you can't
smell it anymore.
Okay, so our brain lets ussmell something so that we can
decide whether or not what we'resmelling.
Is that a threat to our safetyor not?
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And if it's not, then our brainshuts that off so we don't
smell that anymore.
Right, right, so that's thewhole idea.
Is that?
Okay, I'm safe, I don't need tokeep working and doing that and
you and I aren't.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
we don't face life as 100% of the time.
You know survival, we do stufffor recreation.
You know we take naps.
We do all this other dailyroutine stuff that deer and
other ungulates don't get thatpleasure.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
But think of the initial panic.
I smell smoke.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
There you go.
That's a great example.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
I smell smoke from an electrical fire.
Where is?
That coming from and you'retrying to figure out where is
that coming from and you're alittle bit panicked until you
figure out what, what, thesource is yeah, so that's what's
going on is it's?
It's an alert system, rightjust?
Speaker 2 (28:25):
so when, when you're using the nose jammer and you
introduce it weeks in advanceand he starts coming in.
So if I go out to my set everyother day, every other day I'm
going to spray a little bit ofnose jammer, because initially
he's going to smell that yeahand then, once he gets to, okay,
this is.
And then the nose goes, thescent factory goes into vapor
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lock.
He no longer can smell, itdoesn't bother him yeah you see
what I'm saying.
So it's a great product, but youhave to know how to use it how
to use it, okay, so.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
So I'm going to lump the next three in Laundry bombs,
body wash, and laundry bombs isalso the dryer sheets and
deodorant, okay, so, actually,let's laundry bombs and the
dryer sheets.
So the point of those and thisis all dead downwind stuff that
we end up using what's the ideabehind that?
Speaker 2 (29:19):
To be scent free.
That's the idea.
Yeah.
Okay, you're never going to be100% scent, you just can't.
Yeah.
So long as you're breathing,you're moving around your body's
, shedding skin follicles andall that stuff, so you're never
going to be 100% scent free.
But you want to try and I'veheard people say, well, it's a
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gimmick and all that.
And if you hunt the wind whichwe all should be anyway.
Yeah, then you know I can getin and I can kill and all that,
and that's fine.
I'm gonna always err on the sideof caution and even if it gives
me five percent more confidencethat may be that five percent
that puts me over the top to besuccessful and we talked about
this like, like the 2% ideas.
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Exactly.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
That's kind of what we call them.
It says they give you a littlebump of making you feel 2% more
at ease or 2% more confident.
Right, right.
And so they take out the odor.
But we use that in conjunctionwith the scent-free bags.
Scent-free bags that inconjunction with the scent-free
bags Scent-free bags which arebasically a rubber-coated bag
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and all of our hunting clothesgo in there and we drive out to
our set and then we put ourclothes on Because in your car
that random french fry that fellas you were driving home from
work or something.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yeah, you've been sweating all summer in it, you
know.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
And so that odor will get into your hunting clothes,
wetting all summer in it, youknow.
And so that odor will get intoyour hunting clothes?
Well, you don't smell that, butthe deer who has 320 million
scent receptors, they're goingto smell that.
So that's why we protect ourclothes until we get out in the
field, and then, before we getin the car, it's get undressed
put it all in the bag and then,because it won't pick up the
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odors from your car- right,right and rubber is impervious
to scent yeah so, and mostpeople I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
They know that, but that's why that dead downwind
bag is such a great thing yeahit's impervious to scent.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
So long as I put in scent free, I'm pulling out
scent free and it's the sameidea with going in with the
rubber boots exactly becauseit's not going to spread and
with our pants tucked in so thatwe're not, we're minimizing
minimizing yeah yeah, the amountof odor we're leaving and the
body wash and deodorant is thesame thing, but on our person as
opposed to absolutely theclothes and it's doing your
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partner a big favor.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Wash up and you know the deodorant.
That stuff has a lot of reallystrong odor.
Yeah, so you know you want to.
I remember a youth group I wasworking with.
A kid goes, wow, that's greatcologne you're wearing and I'm
like that's just my deodorant.
But if we can smell someone'sdeodorant as we're walking by,
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yeah, think of what the deer aresmelling.
So, you want to negate the bodyodors.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
No, taco Bell runs.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Yeah, don't put on the Chanel no 5 before going out
in the field.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Tell me about, because this was a new one to me
actually last year the fieldspray.
And I think the first couple oftimes I went out I didn't know
anything about it and I didn'tuse it.
And then you came and sat withme on a hunt and you brought
along the field spray and youdoused me with it after we got
fully dressed and then you hadme douse you completely with it.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Right, so the field spray.
Ideally, what you want to do is, when you get your stuff out of
the dryer, you want to spraythe field spray on your clothes
and let them dry and then putthem in the bag.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Okay, Um.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
That's how it's designed to work.
Now, when I go out and I getout of the rig and I get changed
and everything, I will spraymore spiel spray on me just
because, especially early seasonhunts and stuff If I'm on a
buck early season, if I found ashooter and I'm in a spot where
I think I can get him todaylight, then yeah, I use it
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early season.
I can get them to daylight,then yeah, I use it early season
.
Late season, as I get intoNovember and December, it's not
because it's going to rainanyway, but if it's not going to
rain, I do want to put thatstuff on.
I want to make it so that it'sharder for the molecules to come
off of me.
Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Yeah, so is it like a ?
Well, for lack of betterphrasing, is it like a no scent
Febreze as far as, or is it just?
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yes, okay, yeah, that's that's a good way of
describing it.
Yeah, and you know, yeah, it'sjust like and I feel like this
is just me personally I feellike stuff that could have blown
off of me is now stuck to mebecause I've got a little bit of
moisture on me.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yeah, that's how I kind of view that.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
And so, as far as clothing, one thing that just
kind of popped into my mind andI learned this last year, this
last year, so, coming home everynight, because I hunted all
four or five days in a row ofthe Extended Modern and I had
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one set of thermals underwearand it's merino wool and I took
it off and I put it back on thenext day, took it off four days
in a row and at no point did itpick up any noticeable scent.
I'm sure it did, becausethere's oils, but it blocks
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bacteria growth from your body,sweat and everything.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Merino wool is antimicrobial.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Antimicrobial.
So thinking about whetheryou're getting natural fibers or
synthetic.
And yeah, that was prettyimpressive to me and I actually
I liked it so much that I wentout and picked up another set so
I wouldn't have to keep wearingthe same set over and over and
over again.
But it was really effective forcontrolling odor because I know
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, because I'll wear the hex andthat will, because it's a
synthetic material, it'll startto smell after a few hours
because the bacteria will startgrowing between the sweat and
the oils from your body, andthat's what's great about merino
wool, I mean, it's justnaturally antimicrobial and it
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has a lot of other great factorstoo.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Yeah, the wicking the wicking away of the moisture,
the warmth.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
The warmth even when wet, Yep yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Marina Wool is a great, great material.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
And if you don't do any shopping on CamelFirecom, it
actually is a really goodsource.
That's where I found mine andit was pretty reasonable finding
it on there.
I got a full—well.
Both my sets came fromCamelFire, but there's an app
and they change its differentdeals every day all kinds of
hunting gear so they'll get somediscontinued items or they'll
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get close out stuff close outstuff, yeah, and so you can get
some pretty good bargains on onthings.
So really good source.
And so the last one on here andwe've actually we did a half an
episode on it was, uh, ozonegenerators and ozone, especially
ozonics yeah, so we all useozonics.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yeah so we all use ozonics.
Yes, and the episode we did onozonics was Game Changers and it
is a product.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Actually Going Invisible, Part 1.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Was it Going?
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Invisible.
Yeah, if you go back and listento that episode.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
This is absolutely a game changer.
I don't want to hunt without it.
I don't have to worry about thewind.
Once I'm in stand, I set thatup and I'm hunting, but it works
.
And I don't know how many times, how many different stories
we've got it just.
It continues to impress me.
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But the science is there and itworks.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
They make a car version.
But you can scent, kill yourcar.
Don't do it while you're in it.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
It isn't the same as exhaust, but it's not good for
you.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
It'll not only off your exhaust or your scent,
it'll off you as well.
The garment bags.
So you could put your clothesinto a garment bag every night
and after 30 minutes it's killedall the odors.
Yeah.
And so, yeah, but a really greatproduct and I would encourage
anybody.
If you want to know more aboutthat and I've mentioned Hex, we
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have a whole episode where wejust talk about Hex and our
experiences with that andOzonics and just how much we
believe in those two productsand stuff.
So Going Invisible.
Part 1 is that one, thatepisode, but that kind of wraps
it up.
We wanted to cover some of theyeah, the nose-nose and when
we're going out hunting,especially for blacktail, it's a
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battle with their nose.
Absolutely and one we want towin.
So thanks for joining us andwe'll see you next week.
Welcome back to the Blacktail Coach.
I'm Aaron and I'm Dave.
So this week we're going totalk about why the nose knows.
We're going to cover a lot ofdifferent scents and pheromones
and cover scents, all of thatand explain kind of what we use
and why we use it and some ofthe things that we don't
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necessarily use.
We'll try to cover it all.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
So any initial thoughts I don't know how to
quite say this, but I think whatwe're going to do is dispel a
lot of misnomers about when itcomes to sense.
In my seminars I talk about hownot all sense are created equal
, and I think this is a goodopportunity for us to explain
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why we say that, and as we getinto this we'll delve into that
and kind of enlighten what theaverage hunter needs to know.
When it comes to scents, Ithink they're underutilized.
I think the expectations arecompletely wrong and I believe
the average hunter doesn't knowwhat to expect, except what he
(01:04):
sees on a 30-minute show on TV.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yeah, spray a little here and there and you've got
the monster buck, and within 30minutes you should be seeing
buck activity and you know.
Big buck down.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Not quite realistic.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
That's putting it nicely.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Might take more than 30 minutes, maybe, Right?
So let's start off with.
And I labeled them as calmingpheromones.
Would you say that's accurate?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I would say absolutely 100%.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
When you're dealing with an animal that is
completely high strung.
I mean they jump, string onbows and the average guy is
shooting anywhere from 240 to290 feet per second.
That's the average guy.
Mm-hmm.
You know, somewhere in thatrange most guys fall into and I
can't duck an arrow going 240feet per second.
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But a deer can.
But a deer can and does it allthe time.
Yeah, so they're pretty highstrung, and so getting them to
calm down, yeah, that's at leasthow I feel.
That's pretty important.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Or just switch over to rifle and 2,800 feet per
second.
Yeah.
They're jumping, but they'renot jumping straight, just
dropping Yep.
Okay.
So the first one that we use aHODAC scent rope.
Yes so actually, why don't youexplain the what so HODAC scent
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rope?
What is that?
What is its purpose?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
The purpose of a HODAC scent rope is to create a
communication hub, basically.
So if I'm going out out and Iusually do this, uh, I like to
start this when the weatherstarts drying out.
So somewhere around the 4th ofJuly, I'm going to start putting
out my Hoda accent robes Okay,and they're real easy.
It explains on the packageexactly how to do it.
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But what you're doing is isyou're creating a communication
hub.
In other words, when I'mputting out minerals and protein
, I'm words when I'm putting outminerals and protein, I'm
putting that out with a purpose,and the purpose behind that is
to help my bucks reach theirabsolute maximum potential.
Okay, the second purpose is tohelp my does be as completely
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healthy as I can get them,because the doe plays more of a
role in the caliber of buck thanthe buck does.
Okay.
So it's herd genetics that arepassed on to that buck and that
gets into culling and all that.
But we won't talk about cullingthe herd here.
We're going to talk about thisother stuff.
So I put it out with a purpose.
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The Hodag scent rope is put outwith the purpose of helping me
catalog what's in the area.
I may not see my target buck,but what I'm doing is I'm
creating a hub where these deerare going to come and they're
going to rub their orbitalglands on this rope and it's
their way of communicating tothe other deer in the area hey,
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I'm here, this is who I am, yada, yada, yada, you know.
Kind of giving them the scriptof hey, you know, I'm a part of
this area, this is where I walk,this is where I travel and
familiarizing themselves withthe other deer in the area.
And this plays a role later onwhen we get into the rut where
we introduce a buck that theydon't know.
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Yeah.
This helps in that response.
That Hodag scent rope helps inthat response.
So what I'm doing is I'mcreating a place where these
deer can communicate one toanother, and it's granting me
the opportunity to catalog whatI have and to watch them grow
throughout the summer.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Okay, so, so the next one for calming that we use is
EverCalm.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
EverCalm.
So that is a pheromone thatdoes put out in bedding areas.
Okay.
Okay, and it's a calmingpheromone.
It helps them relax, so doeswant to relax in in, obviously
in bedding areas, becausebedding areas is where they
sleep and anybody who has goneto bed nervous or excited or you
know, it's hard to fall asleep.
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So they put out this pheromonethat helps other deer in the
area.
It doesn't just calm the doethat's there, it calms the other
deer.
If you've ever been trying totake a nap in a house full of
kids that are running around andplaying, you see what I'm
saying.
So that's kind of the analogythat I can give for that.
It calms everybody down andhelps them relax.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
So I got an image of like Ritalin just being passed
out to kids NyQuil.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
NyQuil, if you're serious and you need immediate
relief.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
There you go, there you go.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Don't give NyQuil to your children.
I think it's against the law.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
But this calming pheromone, evercalm by Conquest
Sense man, it's a game changerin how much it'll help get that
buck to daylight.
It really it brings them in andthey start hanging out at your
set.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
And it tells it this is a safe spot to be in Exactly.
Exactly Now?
Are there any other calmingpheromones that are?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Those are the two that we use.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Those are the two that we use.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah, and basically those, and I really haven't had
to go with anything else.
I mean, aaron, I'm chasing abig record book buck every year
yeah.
And I've really, you know, I'vegot a room full of mounts and
so I'm pretty happy with theoutcome of there.
I haven't had to look anywhereelse.
I guess, what I'm trying to saythe hoedag throughout the
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summer, when it starts gettingback into the rainy season, it's
hard to keep that scent on itbecause it just drips right out
of it.
Yeah.
It's a hemp rope and then as weget into season and we start
going into the first rut and thesecond rut and everything like
that, I put out that EverCalm,which is waterproof, and I
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usually only have to do it once,I think at the most twice a
season.
Yeah.
And it's covered, we're good.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yeah, and you can store it from season to season,
as long as it's in a ziploc bagand it stinks.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Oh, my goodness gracious yeah, it looks like a
deodorant stick, but it justit's terrible it's horrible, it
is I don't know if it calms themor it kills them just wipes out
some brain cells it oh, it'sterrible.
It's terrible, but the packageitself is a Ziploc seal on it so
that you can and you just keepit in a cool spot.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Now let's talk about urines.
Don't estrus and buck urine.
Okay, I would say just whywould you use those?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
uh, just why would you use those?
Uh, I would say.
I would counter that with whywouldn't you uh?
for the simple, reason that I'mtrying to create an illusion,
and in order to do that, I I'vegot to to have this buck.
Think that there are multipledoes here, that there are, uh,
other challenger bucks.
Um, that, yeah, I have tocreate an illusion and and the
only way to do that is by usingscent pheromones and attractants
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, and to me, the urine is anattractant for the time of year
that I want to hunt that buck.
But this gets into what I wastalking about initially when I
said that not all cents arecreated equal, so I'm a pro
staffer for Buck Ventures.
Yeah.
Our sponsor is Tinks.
We have our pro staff meetingevery April.
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So we fly down to Oklahoma andTinks is there.
So the representatives forTinks, they're there and they've
got all of their new productsthat they're going to bring out
on the market before they'veeven been introduced as far as
commercially to the public.
And they take us in a room.
You know they break us up intogroups and everything, and so
(08:55):
they'll take this group in theroom and they basically sit us
down and they say this is ournew product.
This product is created for thisphase of the rut.
This product over here, this isour old product.
This product is created forthis phase of the rut.
This product over here, this isour old product.
This product is created forthis phase of the rut.
This product is made for thepre-rut and the post-rut.
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This product is made for theentirety of the rut.
So just because it says doe andestrus or dominant buck,
doesn't mean that it's made forthe entirety of the rut.
Every scent is made for aspecific part of the rut.
There are a few that are madefor the entirety, but there are
those that are made for thepre-rut, the mid-rut, the
post-rut, the chasing phase, theseeking phase, all of that.
(09:39):
So you really need to have theright expectation placed on the
scent that you're using, mm-hmm.
So, and I think that it's a,it's a, it's a oh boy.
It's a tragedy when guys sitthere and watch TV and we all do
it for entertainment.
(09:59):
We watch the hunting shows forentertainment, but we also watch
it to glean something off of it, right?
So it's a tragedy when theywatch it and they walk away
thinking, man, that guy usedthis scent and if I just put
this out I'll get a buck to comein.
And the reality is, is it?
All you got to do is take anddo a little bit of research and
you'll figure out what phase ofthe rut or what time of year is
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that scent made for.
You know, hodag does great inthe summertime, okay, because
we're trying to get these deerto come in, and, you know,
socialize.
Yeah.
You know, give us a head countand everything like that.
You know, when we get to therut, the bucks don't want to be
around other bucks.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
No.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
You know.
So it's like well, why is hegoing to come into that whole
day?
Well, I'm spinning my wheels byputting that out, Right?
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah, plus he already knows by then what's out there.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Who his competition is.
What's out there?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
who.
His competition is Right.
And if I'm hunting post-rut andI'm using a scent that's
designed for the pre-rut, it'scounterintuitive.
And so, yeah, everybody needsto do a little bit of research,
or come to the class and I'lltell you.
Yep.
Sign up for one of my coursesand I'll tell you what that
scent is made for.
And when you realize that, thenputting the puzzle together,
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pieces of the puzzle together,to get this buck to daylight
becomes that much easier.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
So we want to give you information to help with
your hunts and stuff.
But, yeah, you need to come tothe class if you want the how.
We'll give you the why and thewhat, but not the how that we
want you to be part of ourcommunity.
I know there's different brands.
We've actually used severaldifferent brands.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
We use, obviously, moccasin Joe.
They're big in the Northwest,they do a lot of blacktail stuff
, but you know, in all honesty,it doesn't have to be blacktail.
We also use Tinks.
Tinks is my sponsor and I use alot of Tinks 69 and the Peak 30
and that kind of stuff.
So again, it's just knowingwhen and where to use it.
(12:02):
And then the James Valley James.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Valley, we started using it.
Read about that, I believe,scott Haugen Haugen yep, he was
the one who really likes usingthat, and so I went ahead and
bought some the Doan, estrus and, I believe, wallhanger, which
they recommend for the PacificNorthwest.
This is concentrated, it stinksand you only use a little bit
(12:27):
of it.
And what's great is theyactually send you a whole full
page of instructions on how touse this.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Right right.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Which is really great , but it's very potent stuff and
very effective.
That's all I used last year onmy sets and it was bringing in
bucks and-.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Right, yeah, right.
But you know again, all scentsare not, they're not created
equal.
But at the same time, you know,getting back to expectations,
you can't just simply put thisout and expect something to
happen right away.
Back to expectations.
You can't just simply put thisout and expect something to
happen right away.
This is something sense aremade so that you it's a
progression of things as you putthem out, you start to
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manipulate behavior, but youknow it's not something that
happens.
You know first, second time outyeah you know you, you've got to
be regular with that stuff.
And I you know again, in thecourses we go over how to do
that, when to do it, where to doit and all of that.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
All the specifics.
Now there is also a differenceand in a few weeks we're going
to actually have someone come on, a special guest, who's going
to talk about CWD, someone whoreally knows what they're
talking about and unlike us, whowould just read the same
articles you could and try topiece together.
We have someone who knows whatthey're talking about, but in
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several areas they've bannedDoan, estrus and buck urine 100%
urine 100% urine, so you haveto go with synthetic Right Now.
what is the difference betweensynthetic and the 100% urine?
100% urine, so you have to gowith synthetic Right Now.
What is the difference betweensynthetic and the 100%?
Speaker 2 (14:02):
As far as the difference, as far as results or
effectiveness, I haven'tnoticed any.
They've both been reallyeffective.
I wouldn't say one is anybetter than the other or one is
worse than the other.
They both work.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Yeah, we have a pro staff who were down in Oregon.
We're up in Washington and theyhave to use the synthetic.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yeah, they can't use any pure urine.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
But as far as when they say synthetic in my mind
I'm thinking chemicals mixed upin the lab that it's not actual
urine.
Is that the case as far as youknow?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
You know what?
I'd just be guessing if I saidyou know, I really haven't and
maybe I should, maybe I shouldtake the time and read up on
that um, but I have not, uh,done any kind of study on it to
figure out what exactly it is orhow it's made or anything like
that.
Um, I guess I'm kind of likethe average guy.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
I just buy the bottle and squeeze but depending where
you're at, that is somethingthat you'll want to make sure
that you understand what yourlocal laws are and you do want
to observe whatever your locallaws are, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
And you know, even in Washington you can use 100%
pure urine.
But I've gone trying to getmore Doan, estrus or Buck urine
or whatever and they've been outand all they had was synthetic
and I they had was synthetic andI've used the synthetic and,
like I said, I don't notice anydifference.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
So one thing, actually, we forgot about this.
One thing about the JamesValley that I like is because
it's a concentrate and it's morelike a gel, it actually holds
up with our rain.
It holds up better.
So, you don't quite lose if it'sgoing to be raining a lot.
You don't lose that scent asquickly.
(15:45):
Eventually it is going to washaway, and it's not one that you
would be using on a regularbasis.
It's kind of you do it once andyou might come in and refresh
it down the road, but it lingersa little bit longer than than
the like a moccasin gel rightright now tinks.
I know we had it's kind of aspray of their don't estrus, but
(16:09):
it was a gel, is that?
How do you know if there's anydifference with that and how it
holds up to the?
Speaker 2 (16:15):
now, anything that, anything that's a gel, is going
to hold up better to the rainthan the spray.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
But Tinks also, and you can still find this in some
places.
Not very many places have itleft.
They stopped making it, butTinks did make a black-tailed
Doan estrus at one time.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
And you know they had it in the bottles that spray
like 12, 15 feet.
Yeah.
You know, they had it in thebottles that spray like 12, 15
feet.
Yeah, you know, and I know oneof our pro staffers bought a
whole bunch of it and I thinkhe's out now.
But if you search hard enoughyou can find it.
But if you got whitetail,whitetail works just as good.
Mm-hmm, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Yeah, and all of James Valley is all whitetail.
Yeah.
Yeah, Again, it seemed to workjust fine once it was put out.
So moving along attractants.
So what is an attractant?
Speaker 2 (17:05):
So an attractant is different than a urine or a
doanesterous.
An attractant is something thatis, I want to describe it as an
accessory.
Okay, so this is something ontop of my urines that I'm
putting out Now.
Whether that is a big and Jproduct or a buck bomb of sorts,
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it's not my main thing, it's aone-time shot kind of thing.
So if, when I go out and I domy sets, you know, and we go
through the class and I showthese guys exactly what I do,
where I do it, how I do it, whenI do it, the portion I do it in
and everything, okay, theseattractants may be something
that I do, the one-time shotwhen I'm hunting.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Like.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I'm going to hunt today, so I'm going to put this
out.
Use this buck bomb and seecause I've already I've
manipulated behavior.
I've already got this as a partof routine for these deer.
You know, now I need a littleextra, you know, maybe to pull
that buck in, like 15 minutesbefore dark or 20 minutes before
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dark, something like that, youknow, to get him over there.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
So when we're saying attractants, so the urine, which
does work as an attractant toan extent.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yes, to an extent, yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
But it's creating the idea that there's another buck
or another doe out there Nowattractants.
Is that creating the idea thatthere's food out there, a food
source, or is it that and more?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
So you got to be careful.
When you start talking aboutbaiting, it's a touchy subject
for a lot of people.
(18:54):
Okay, there are those that arevery dead against it, and I get
it, I understand.
And there are those that sayyou know, I don't have a problem
doing I think.
Well, that's a way ofmaintaining a healthy deer herd.
Yeah.
It helps you to have selectharvest and at the same time, I
also know and anybody that'sbaited bear knows that just
because you put food out theredoesn't mean they're going to
come in.
Yeah.
That food's out there at night.
You know what's making themcome in the daytime.
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They don't have to.
Yeah.
They don't have to because thatfood's at night and they know
they're safe at night, and notto mention that, man, they can
eat probably 50% of everythingthat's out there.
So food doesn't make bucksdaylight.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yeah, here you know it might be more of a necessity
in maybe Southern Oregon drier,less vegetation, but here it
seems like up further norththere's a lot of vegetation out
there, a lot of stuff for themto eat.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Right, and we don't get the hard winters typically
where they're.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
It's killed everything off.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yeah, and they're digging like two feet down in
the snow to get to something toeat.
It isn't like that over here.
Yeah.
And so yeah, so food as far asan attractant, it's probably
more for the does and thesmaller bucks, but for the
bigger bucks they're just toosmart.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
But thinking when I was asking about food.
So Big and Jay or the BuckBombs different attractants so
we use to die for is one of theones that we use quite a bit.
Is that giving the deer a sensethat there's a food source?
Is that how it's attracting, sothey smell that and they think,
oh, there's some food overthere that I need to go
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investigate.
Or is it triggering somethingelse?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
So when I use like to die for and wet cob or dry cob
or stuff like that, it's usuallyin the summertime, and wet cob
or dry cob or stuff like that,it's usually in the summertime.
And again, where I'm trying tomaintain good herd health, all
those things have protein inthem.
Okay.
Okay, so when I put out mineral, I never put out mineral
without protein.
Yeah.
(20:52):
Because you'll make your deersick, They'll come in, they'll
hit the mineral.
If there's no protein there,they get bloated, they get sick
to their stomach.
They don't want to come back tothat mineral again.
They may come back one moretime, but they typically don't
hit it again.
So when I do minerals I want todo protein.
So Big N' J has a lot ofproducts on the market that are
long range attractants that haveprotein in them.
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So when I'm trying to catalogdeer that's what I'm trying to
do.
But when that buck comes in inthe summertime and he's sitting
there and he's hitting theminerals and he's hitting the
protein or the attractant, healso recognizes, because he
lives his life through his nose,that he's smelling other does
coming in there.
Okay.
So that's what I want him topick up on, okay, and then we
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have the hoedag, you know, andwe piece all these things
together and we create thisillusion.
And that is what we're tryingto do to manipulate the behavior
okay so it isn't.
It isn't so much a lot of thethe products like, like big and
jay, whether it's a block orsomething like that, if you
can't keep it dry yeah, in thewintertime.
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They don't want it.
Yeah.
Because it'll mildew, becauseeverything out there has sugar
in it.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
The block holds up I've seen fairly well Unless
there's a bear in the area.
So we do our scouting.
We're like January intoFebruary we're doing scouting
and we'll throw those out thento get them some protein, but
it's before the bears.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Because as soon as the bears get up, they will just
sit there and eat those blocksdown to nothing.
Yeah, in a couple of days.
Typically they have some kindof molasses or syrup in them and
and uh yeah, they don't takeany time.
Glue them all together yeah but.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
But the deer really do like those and they do, they
do come in for those, but yeahand it's it's different with
Bear candy.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
When I say that all scents aren't created equal, all
attractants are not createdequal either.
You have to find what your deer, in your area, especially
blacktail.
They are finicky, they can bepicky they are browsers.
They're not grazers.
You got to find what they want,what they're craving, and every
area is going to be a little.
You go to one area.
(23:02):
You put out, you know, trophyrock.
We got a guy that is in class.
He's using trophy rock andthey're all over it.
They're hammering it.
I've never had any good luckwith trophy rock.
Yeah, areas where I know and Imean I'll sit there and get a
picture, I could put that trophyrock next to another attractant
mineral sorts and and they'llhammer that other mineral and
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they won't even give the trophyrock.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Two thoughts and I can't remember what we used.
It was one of the big and jproducts that to die for have
had pretty good success.
But there was another one andthe deer wouldn't touch it and
it just mildewed instead of themold legit legit yeah but other
guys very close by 20 miles awayswear by it.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yeah, they think it's the greatest I've had, that
same I've put legit out on oneset.
It does fantastic.
I put it on another set andit'll stay there through
december yeah I'll put it out infebruary and it'll stay there
through December.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
That's kind of what's happened with a couple of my
sets.
They could care less about it.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah, you just got to find what they like.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
It's a trial and error.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
It absolutely is, and it takes a little bit of money.
That's why we have the thinghere at the house.
We try stuff out.
Yeah.
And even then it may do goodhere and not, you know, on a set
it may just be a flop.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
So join our community because we actually we have
guys who try different stuff andyou know they'll throw it out
on the Facebook page andeverything of what they've tried
.
So it kind of short circuitswhat you having to try
everything.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Right right.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
You can just try a few things or just go with what
they said first and then, well,that didn't work.
I'll move on to the next Yep.
So the last thing we're goingto talk about is cover scents A
lot of different categories anddifferent products here.
But well, let's start with NoseJammer.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
So Nose Jammer is a great product that I feel is
underutilized, but I feel alsois probably more misunderstood
than anything else.
Okay, so Nose Jammer operateson the premise that a deer can
only smell six to eight thingsat one time.
Okay.
Once it gets past that, oncethat deer starts smelling more
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than that, like you and I, wecan only smell like two or three
different things at a time yeah.
The human nose is just not madeto smell more than that.
So you come into your houseafter work or whatnot your wife
is cooking spaghetti and you,you open the door and you can
smell the spaghetti, and maybeshe's cooking french bread, or
you know, maybe there'ssomething else that you pick up
on and you you can smell thosetwo things, but you can't smell
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the flowers on the table RightNecessarily.
Right, and then the deer.
However, can smell six to eightdifferent things at one time.
Once it gets past that, they gointo vapor lock.
So that is what nose jammer is.
It's nine plus different thingsinto that can, right, and when
you initially spray it, you andI smell vanilla.
Yeah.
(25:58):
Right, right.
And when you initially spray it, you and I smell vanilla.
Yeah Right, and we'll smellthat vanilla for a few minutes
until our nose goes into vaporlock.
Yeah.
So when you're using nose jammer, again, you have to know what
its purpose is.
You have to know how itoperates.
So when I use nose jammer Idon't bring it out for the first
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time when I go into hunt.
It is something that I have tointroduce progressively over
weeks building up to that hunt.
I have to get that deer or thatbuck used to that nose because
he's going to smell that vanillaand some of the other things
that are in that for a fewminutes and then he's going to
go into vapor lock.
(26:38):
Yeah, in that for a few minutesand then he's going to go into
vapor lock.
Yeah, so if I introduce thatthe day that I go out and he's
been coming into my set for thelast week and a half, whatever,
and I finally get a daylight picof him and I know he's going to
daylight that day, I go outthere and I'm like, well, I
can't afford an ozonics or Ididn't get to wash my clothes,
or you know, maybe you don'tthink, or somebody told you that
, that there's nothing to allthis cover, scent and whatnot.
(26:59):
I don't.
However, you want to do it andyou introduce that nose jammer
and he smells that vanilla forthe first time.
Well, you've just changed it up.
Yeah, you've introducedsomething that he's not used to.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
This might be a good way to explain this.
So, when we smell something,there's the phenomena, I guess,
where you smell something andthen 30 minutes later you can't
smell it anymore.
Okay, so our brain lets ussmell something so that we can
decide whether or not what we'resmelling.
Is that a threat to our safetyor not?
(27:32):
And if it's not, then our brainshuts that off so we don't
smell that anymore.
Right, right, so that's thewhole idea.
Is that?
Okay, I'm safe, I don't need tokeep working and doing that and
you and I aren't.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
we don't face life as 100% of the time.
You know survival, we do stufffor recreation.
You know we take naps.
We do all this other dailyroutine stuff that deer and
other ungulates don't get thatpleasure.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
But think of the initial panic.
I smell smoke.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
There you go.
That's a great example.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
I smell smoke from an electrical fire.
Where is?
That coming from and you'retrying to figure out where is
that coming from and you're alittle bit panicked until you
figure out what, what, thesource is yeah, so that's what's
going on is it's?
It's an alert system, rightjust?
Speaker 2 (28:25):
so when, when you're using the nose jammer and you
introduce it weeks in advanceand he starts coming in.
So if I go out to my set everyother day, every other day I'm
going to spray a little bit ofnose jammer, because initially
he's going to smell that yeahand then, once he gets to, okay,
this is.
And then the nose goes, thescent factory goes into vapor
(28:45):
lock.
He no longer can smell, itdoesn't bother him yeah you see
what I'm saying.
So it's a great product, but youhave to know how to use it how
to use it, okay, so.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
So I'm going to lump the next three in Laundry bombs,
body wash, and laundry bombs isalso the dryer sheets and
deodorant, okay, so, actually,let's laundry bombs and the
dryer sheets.
So the point of those and thisis all dead downwind stuff that
we end up using what's the ideabehind that?
Speaker 2 (29:19):
To be scent free.
That's the idea.
Yeah.
Okay, you're never going to be100% scent, you just can't.
Yeah.
So long as you're breathing,you're moving around your body's
, shedding skin follicles andall that stuff, so you're never
going to be 100% scent free.
But you want to try and I'veheard people say, well, it's a
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gimmick and all that.
And if you hunt the wind whichwe all should be anyway.
Yeah, then you know I can getin and I can kill and all that,
and that's fine.
I'm gonna always err on the sideof caution and even if it gives
me five percent more confidencethat may be that five percent
that puts me over the top to besuccessful and we talked about
this like, like the 2% ideas.
(30:01):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
That's kind of what we call them.
It says they give you a littlebump of making you feel 2% more
at ease or 2% more confident.
Right, right.
And so they take out the odor.
But we use that in conjunctionwith the scent-free bags.
Scent-free bags that inconjunction with the scent-free
bags Scent-free bags which arebasically a rubber-coated bag
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and all of our hunting clothesgo in there and we drive out to
our set and then we put ourclothes on Because in your car
that random french fry that fellas you were driving home from
work or something.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yeah, you've been sweating all summer in it, you
know.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
And so that odor will get into your hunting clothes,
wetting all summer in it, youknow.
And so that odor will get intoyour hunting clothes?
Well, you don't smell that, butthe deer who has 320 million
scent receptors, they're goingto smell that.
So that's why we protect ourclothes until we get out in the
field, and then, before we getin the car, it's get undressed
put it all in the bag and then,because it won't pick up the
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odors from your car- right,right and rubber is impervious
to scent yeah so, and mostpeople I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
They know that, but that's why that dead downwind
bag is such a great thing yeahit's impervious to scent.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
So long as I put in scent free, I'm pulling out
scent free and it's the sameidea with going in with the
rubber boots exactly becauseit's not going to spread and
with our pants tucked in so thatwe're not, we're minimizing
minimizing yeah yeah, the amountof odor we're leaving and the
body wash and deodorant is thesame thing, but on our person as
opposed to absolutely theclothes and it's doing your
(31:36):
partner a big favor.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Wash up and you know the deodorant.
That stuff has a lot of reallystrong odor.
Yeah, so you know you want to.
I remember a youth group I wasworking with.
A kid goes, wow, that's greatcologne you're wearing and I'm
like that's just my deodorant.
But if we can smell someone'sdeodorant as we're walking by,
(32:00):
yeah, think of what the deer aresmelling.
So, you want to negate the bodyodors.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
No, taco Bell runs.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Yeah, don't put on the Chanel no 5 before going out
in the field.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Tell me about, because this was a new one to me
actually last year the fieldspray.
And I think the first couple oftimes I went out I didn't know
anything about it and I didn'tuse it.
And then you came and sat withme on a hunt and you brought
along the field spray and youdoused me with it after we got
fully dressed and then you hadme douse you completely with it.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Right, so the field spray.
Ideally, what you want to do is, when you get your stuff out of
the dryer, you want to spraythe field spray on your clothes
and let them dry and then putthem in the bag.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Okay, Um.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
That's how it's designed to work.
Now, when I go out and I getout of the rig and I get changed
and everything, I will spraymore spiel spray on me just
because, especially early seasonhunts and stuff If I'm on a
buck early season, if I found ashooter and I'm in a spot where
I think I can get him todaylight, then yeah, I use it
(33:13):
early season.
I can get them to daylight,then yeah, I use it early season
.
Late season, as I get intoNovember and December, it's not
because it's going to rainanyway, but if it's not going to
rain, I do want to put thatstuff on.
I want to make it so that it'sharder for the molecules to come
off of me.
Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Yeah, so is it like a ?
Well, for lack of betterphrasing, is it like a no scent
Febreze as far as, or is it just?
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yes, okay, yeah, that's that's a good way of
describing it.
Yeah, and you know, yeah, it'sjust like and I feel like this
is just me personally I feellike stuff that could have blown
off of me is now stuck to mebecause I've got a little bit of
moisture on me.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yeah, that's how I kind of view that.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
And so, as far as clothing, one thing that just
kind of popped into my mind andI learned this last year, this
last year, so, coming home everynight, because I hunted all
four or five days in a row ofthe Extended Modern and I had
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one set of thermals underwearand it's merino wool and I took
it off and I put it back on thenext day, took it off four days
in a row and at no point did itpick up any noticeable scent.
I'm sure it did, becausethere's oils, but it blocks
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bacteria growth from your body,sweat and everything.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Merino wool is antimicrobial.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Antimicrobial.
So thinking about whetheryou're getting natural fibers or
synthetic.
And yeah, that was prettyimpressive to me and I actually
I liked it so much that I wentout and picked up another set so
I wouldn't have to keep wearingthe same set over and over and
over again.
But it was really effective forcontrolling odor because I know
(35:14):
, because I'll wear the hex andthat will, because it's a
synthetic material, it'll startto smell after a few hours
because the bacteria will startgrowing between the sweat and
the oils from your body, andthat's what's great about merino
wool, I mean, it's justnaturally antimicrobial and it
(35:38):
has a lot of other great factorstoo.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Yeah, the wicking the wicking away of the moisture,
the warmth.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
The warmth even when wet, Yep yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Marina Wool is a great, great material.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
And if you don't do any shopping on CamelFirecom, it
actually is a really goodsource.
That's where I found mine andit was pretty reasonable finding
it on there.
I got a full—well.
Both my sets came fromCamelFire, but there's an app
and they change its differentdeals every day all kinds of
hunting gear so they'll get somediscontinued items or they'll
(36:16):
get close out stuff close outstuff, yeah, and so you can get
some pretty good bargains on onthings.
So really good source.
And so the last one on here andwe've actually we did a half an
episode on it was, uh, ozonegenerators and ozone, especially
ozonics yeah, so we all useozonics.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yeah so we all use ozonics.
Yes, and the episode we did onozonics was Game Changers and it
is a product.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Actually Going Invisible, Part 1.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Was it Going?
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Invisible.
Yeah, if you go back and listento that episode.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
This is absolutely a game changer.
I don't want to hunt without it.
I don't have to worry about thewind.
Once I'm in stand, I set thatup and I'm hunting, but it works
.
And I don't know how many times, how many different stories
we've got it just.
It continues to impress me.
(37:08):
But the science is there and itworks.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
They make a car version.
But you can scent, kill yourcar.
Don't do it while you're in it.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
It isn't the same as exhaust, but it's not good for
you.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
It'll not only off your exhaust or your scent,
it'll off you as well.
The garment bags.
So you could put your clothesinto a garment bag every night
and after 30 minutes it's killedall the odors.
Yeah.
And so, yeah, but a really greatproduct and I would encourage
anybody.
If you want to know more aboutthat and I've mentioned Hex, we
(37:45):
have a whole episode where wejust talk about Hex and our
experiences with that andOzonics and just how much we
believe in those two productsand stuff.
So Going Invisible.
Part 1 is that one, thatepisode, but that kind of wraps
it up.
We wanted to cover some of theyeah, the nose-nose and when
we're going out hunting,especially for blacktail, it's a
(38:05):
battle with their nose.
Absolutely and one we want towin.
So thanks for joining us andwe'll see you next week.
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