October 26, 2025 • 57 mins
The guys at RACESETUPPRO.COM join me to talk about how their product can help us get faster by dialing in our cars! I didnt think it could be done, there are so many factors... but these guys are making it happen!
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SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
Absolutely.
So we take into accountbasically anything you could
have in your car.
And the reality is you don'thave to put it all in at first,
right?
Like if you're really justconcerned about tire pressures,
like plug in the tires thatyou're running, plug in the
size, uh, and kind of plug inlike what's your target hot
pressure, right?
Uh we can then kind of go fromthere with a lot of stuff.
SPEAKER_02 (00:28):
Welcome to the Blind Apex Podcast, where amateur club
racers tune in to get faster.
SPEAKER_03 (00:43):
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Not that long ago, I said thistopic was probably too
complicated, well, to actuallyexist.
And here we are.
We're going to talk more aboutAI.
And specifically, what I'll sayis how to get an AI race
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engineer in your pocket to helpyou with race car setup.
I've used it a little, I'vedefinitely explored it, and I've
got a couple of gentlemen fromRace Setup Pro to talk more
about it.
Welcome to the podcast.
And can you guys pleaseintroduce yourselves to the
audience?
SPEAKER_01 (01:24):
Sounds good.
So hey everyone.
Thanks for having us on.
Uh my name's Tim.
I'm the technical side of RaceSetup Pro.
My background is honestly intech, right?
Uh fintech, e-commerce, uh, havea bunch of roots in the startup
world.
Um, I've been into cars and wasintroduced to Oval Racing when I
was a kid, right?
Uh I used to run around kind ofum uh kind of racetracks in the
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northeast, hanging out in thepaddock for modified cars, just
watching them go around andaround and around again.
Um, so I was hooked on from whenI was a young kid.
And I think I've had about 15 orso cars that I've been tinkering
with throughout my lifetime,right?
I love to understand how thingswork.
And about four or five yearsago, I got an E36, which brought
me into driving on track.
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Um and for the first few years,it was a ton of carting, sim
racing, time attack kind ofstyle stuff with the local club
that I helped run up here in theNortheast called Com Sports Car
Club.
And then this year I've reallybeen digging into wheel-to-wheel
stuff with Champ Car NortheastGT.
Uh, and I'm gonna make my debutover on GLTC over at Pit Race.
Um, rest in peace.
Pour one out, everyone.
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Uh, it's going away soon,unfortunately.
Um, so what that's led me to inthe last couple of years is
really digging around with carsetup, right?
Uh driver mod gets you most ofthe way there, but fighting a
bad car is something that isreally tough, right?
Weather conditions changes.
Sometimes your setup that goesfrom one track to another track
uh kind of works to a varyingdegree.
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So I started to really dig in,study, and understand this, and
uh met Jeff a few years ago.
We got started talking about theidea.
I'll let Jeff you kind ofintroduce yourself before
getting ahead of ourselves.
But um, yeah, it's been a fun,fun past couple years.
SPEAKER_00 (03:07):
So I am Jeff Zizulis, uh Jay-Z, uh, you can
call me, uh, or my kids call meChief, whatever works for you.
So nobody in my family was incars, not a single person.
In 1994, I ended up at a Forddealership at 19 years old and
bought a bright red Mustang GT.
Um, I still wasn't into cars, Ijust liked that one.
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Uh, I started drag racing andyou know, it was fun.
I got into the 11 seconds and Irealized it was, you know, an
11-second adrenaline rush.
So as my kids grew up, I got outof drag racing and we got into
motocross, and I was horrible atit.
Um, I ended my motocross careerwith three months in a
wheelchair.
Um, and that was only one ofmany crashes.
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So um, by the way.
Yes, they do.
SPEAKER_03 (03:55):
But at the motocross track, oh yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (03:58):
I got a new hip because of it too.
Oh wow.
SPEAKER_03 (04:00):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (04:01):
Um, but at the motocross track, they say with
age comes a cage, and I didn'tknow what that meant.
Um, but I had a 2012 Boss 302Mustang.
I took it to Thompson with SCDA,and my first instructor, Butch,
was amazing.
At the end of the day, I said,if there's one piece of advice
should I take away from today,what is it?
He goes, Go buy a Miata.
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So I did.
Um, and we all know they'rereally slow, and to make them,
you know, go decent around atrack, you got to have them set
up right.
So I'm a bit OCD, so I startedmeasuring tire pressures, temps.
Um, I'm too cheap to pay foralignment, so I started figuring
it out myself.
And then I quickly realizedpeople were asking me, what
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should my pressures be?
And at that point, with all theresearch I was doing, I was
saving away these files, andthen it became, hey, my car is
under steering in turn four,what should I do?
And we talked through it andmake some adjustments and came
up with this idea.
And, you know, Tim approached meand said, Hey, if you need help
with this, let me know.
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I'm like, Tim, I don't need helpwith it.
I am lost.
I I knew what I needed it to do,but I am not a software guy.
I've been in sales for almost 30years.
So my job in sales is tooversimplify things, complain to
the IT guy about it, and get himto fix it.
Right.
So Tim and I meet, and yeah, welaunched Race Setup Pro and it's
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been live for a week.
Okay.
So officially live, beta testedfor a few months.
SPEAKER_03 (05:30):
So it's raceetuppro.com, not
raceetup.pro, correct?
SPEAKER_00 (05:37):
Correct, raceetuppro.com.
Thank you.
Yep.
Yep.
So the website's live.
Um this weekend, I'm at thetrack.
Two people signed up, they usedit, both of them came up, and
it's always the same thing.
I didn't actually think it wouldwork.
One of them, it's their hometrack.
I posted it on Instagram today.
He's got hundreds and hundredsof laps there in the same car.
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He's like, My car didn't evenfeel fast, and I beat my
personal best by just over asecond, which is huge.
We know what we pay for parts tobeat our personal best by a
second.
SPEAKER_03 (06:11):
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, we know how muchhorsepower that is, and we know
how much you know where you haveto to mess with the the weight,
power to weight ratios andthings.
I have a I have a booklet, and Ibelieve it's with my catalyst
somewhere, but it's a bookletthat says uh if you're pushing,
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do this.
And it has a page if it ifyou're oversteering, do this,
and it has a page.
Um and I don't well, and I Ihaven't looked at it in a while,
confession, right?
But it's uh it it'll tell youlike more clicks here, or no
clicks here, or go more toe outthis way, or toe in or add more
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camber, whatever.
It's an old timey flip book.
And I tried to use it for awhile, and I was like, it's not
really tailored to me.
How does it know if I havecompression and rebound for my
shocks, these types of things,right?
And I and I'll also confess somethings.
So I uh have a mountain of tirepressure data with track temps,
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ambient temps, barometricpressures, top cold pressure,
what the hot pressure was comingoff, all that jazz.
Because, like you, my the numberone question I was getting, what
are you setting your tirepressures to?
SPEAKER_02 (07:44):
Yep.
SPEAKER_03 (07:45):
Um, and I was like, we should just make an app that
says I'm here, this is theweather, link it to like weather
bug or whatever, and then tellthem what tire you're running,
and then it should recommendsomething, you know.
Yep.
So uh that never really gotgoing.
I have mountains of the data,but it never really moved.
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Because like you.
SPEAKER_00 (08:08):
Well, it didn't get going with you, because we had
the similar idea, yeah, right?
Because I I think it is the Imean with cell phones, it's can
you hear me now?
At the racetrack, it's whatshould my pressures be.
Correct.
And the the three of us could bein the same car with the same
tires and the same setups, andlike different pressures for
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driving style.
Yep.
So um yeah, so it's it's the thefamous question.
SPEAKER_03 (08:36):
Okay, so race setuppro.com.
I go and I create a sign-in.
Okay.
I sign up for the the service,there's different plans.
Maybe we get into that now.
Uh yeah.
What's the levels here?
SPEAKER_01 (08:54):
Yeah, so I can run through that.
So we have three differentlevels right now.
Um, each one comes in a monthlyor annual subscription.
Right now we're actually running50% off for our first 100 users.
So we still have some spots leftif anyone's interested in trying
this out for the annual plan.
But the three different levels.
So we have weekend pass thatgets you two track days a month.
Um, basically, you start yourtrack day, you get an initial
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analysis, uh, and basically likea baseline setting for your car
and track setup, right?
Understanding what you have inyour car and just saying, like,
hey, you know, wantkins Glenn,it's a high-speed track.
Uh, maybe you should do X, Y,and Z based off of that.
Um, for post-session interviews,uh, that's basically what
happens after you go through andstart your track day, right?
You get off the track.
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I'm having issues withundersteer in in mid-speed
corners, right?
What are the adjustments Ishould make, right?
Here are the ambienttemperatures, here's the track
temperature.
Uh, if you know your tirepressure is awesome.
We try and kind of prompt peoplein the right direction to say,
like, hey, you should bechecking this stuff.
Uh, and then we can give youfeedback on it too.
Uh, so that'll start to give youan analysis based off your
handling issues.
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Um we'll uh and then basicallywe're logging all of the tire
attempts over time.
So eventually, we don't havethis quite yet, but eventually
we'll be able to use that forboth making more kind of high
quality recommendations and thenalso kind of uh letting you know
like what worked for you andwhat didn't, right?
Um so that's the weekend pass.
I won't go into detail about allthe specific areas for this, but
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it's really gated based off anumber of track days per month.
Uh so starter, you get fourtrack days per month, 18
post-session interviews, weassume about six sessions uh a
day, and then pro 10 track daysper month, uh, and 60
post-session interviews permonth.
There's also a vehicle countassociated with that.
So if you're running multiplevehicles with the pro plan, you
get three vehicles instead ofone, uh, where you can kind of
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enter your setup information umand kind of track it that way.
SPEAKER_00 (10:47):
And Khan, I think it's important to point out like
our software doesn't know likewhat level of driver you are.
So we do start at a baseline.
Um, we've had questions about,hey, well, it's saying this and
I know that, right?
This is where we're gonna make arecommendation.
But then as you do yourpost-session interview and you
provide feedback, it startsadapting to you.
SPEAKER_04 (11:08):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (11:09):
Right.
But you know, that's it's one ofthe many rabbit holes we could
go down when we're designingthis.
How do how do we determine howyour level of experience, how
good of a driver you are?
Because if it's number of trackdays, that doesn't mean you're
fast.
If it's lap time, you might befast.
But what you know, running a 120at a track in one car is much
different than 120 if you're ina Miata, right?
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Compared to 700 horsepower.
So we haven't we haven't duginto that yet, but it just
starts at a baseline.
But as soon as you startentering your information,
that's when it gets really youknow customized to you.
SPEAKER_03 (11:41):
Right.
So I've chosen XYZ, whatever.
I don't I actually don'tremember which one, what level I
selected, but I I have highambitions for 2026, but we'll
see.
Um you select your plan and thenyou start to build out your
profile.
So what's right, what's in yourprofile that people should know?
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Because I totally jumped in headfirst and I don't know certain
things or didn't know certainthings.
Um so I'd like everybody to beeducated before they like press
that button and are ready to go.
SPEAKER_01 (12:18):
So absolutely.
So we take into accountbasically anything you could
have on your car.
And the reality is you don'thave to put it all in at first,
right?
Like if you're really justconcerned about tire pressures,
like plug in the tires thatyou're running, plug in the
size, uh, and kind of plug inlike what's your target hot
pressure, right?
Uh, we can then kind of go fromthere with a lot of stuff,
right?
Like there's simple things youcan recommend that a lot of
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people don't even reach for atthe track.
Like, hey, I'm under steering.
Okay, drop your front tirepressure a little bit, right?
Like increase that contactpatch.
Um, and so there's a lot ofstuff we can do with that.
But outside of tires, right, youknow, uh, we take into account
wheel width, right?
So we start to understand likehow that impacts kind of like
the whole entire tread sectionwidth and like um scrub radius
and all this sorts of stuff thatlike an increased wheel width
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can can introduce, right?
Um, everything about suspension,right?
Are you running single, double,triple adjustable?
Do you have stock suspension,uh, alignment settings?
Uh, this is a nitty-gritty one,but it's also really important,
right?
Like understanding youralignment.
It's a one-time thing to go inand fill up this setup
information, right?
So, like looking it up is themore data we have, the better
the recommendations we can giveyou.
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Uh, so really understanding likewhat's my caster at, right?
What's my front camber, rearcamber, uh, front toe, rear toe,
all of that stuff.
Um, and we support it in anykind of um you know unit of
measurement that you want.
So degrees, millimeters, uhinches, whatever kind of works
there.
Do you have a corner alignment,right?
Uh, do you have a cornerbalance?
Like all of this stuff isrelevant.
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Um, we take into account,obviously, like total weight of
the car and driver.
It's a common way to do it ontrack.
We don't want to assume like uh,you know, you have a 2800-pound
car, but you're a hundred-pounddriver, like that's a different
thing than if you have a300-pound person in the car,
right?
Like it's it's going to affectaffect things.
Uh, so we take that intoaccount.
Sway bars, right?
What do you have for sway bars?
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What's the adjustability on yoursway bars?
Um, aerodynamic uh stuff is inthere, though I do have some
plans for some pretty bigupgrades so we can start to
understand like drag numbers, sowe can start to understand um
kind of like downforce like at100 miles per hour.
Uh, there's a lot of stuff inthere that'll help us make some
better recommendations.
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And right now it's pretty simpleum in terms of arrow.
That's that's something we wantto dig in on, but just uh we
need to get around to it.
And then finally, brakes, right?
Uh, this is a safety thing morethan anything, right?
Uh making sure based on all theother things, if we kind of
notice that you're running OEMpads and have a very serious
setup otherwise, like we want tolet you know, like, hey, maybe
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this isn't the safest thing,right?
Like there could be aconsequence here uh for not
running like a race pad or kindof a hybrid pad, uh, especially
depending on kind of what theyselect uh in terms of their kind
of goal, right?
Are they just out there to havefun and practice, or do they
really want to go crush some laptimes or even put in a specific
lap time target?
Um, so some of these are kind ofmore safety focused while we're
asking, so we can make somerecommendations in that front,
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and then other ones are purelylike, you know, increase your
rear wing, decrease your rearwing, whatever it is, right?
Some more kind of standard carset of device things.
SPEAKER_00 (15:17):
And what's really awesome is you can also just
check the box for stocksuspension, right?
Stock alignment.
So we tried to develop this soyou can show up to the track
with your you know, brand new,you know, name your car.
And literally it's just gonnahelp you with your tire
pressures.
But you don't have you likelydon't have somebody that can go
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to that's gonna look at your carfor your weight and make a
recommendation.
They're just gonna recommendwhat they run.
But then we also wanted to makeit appealing.
So you mentioned, you know, theSCCA NASA.
You know, these are people thathave been running their cars
often for a while.
We wanted to make it valuable tothem as well.
So it's finding that balance ofyeah, you can run a stock car
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and for 10 bucks you can getsome input on your tires and cut
your lap times, or just makeyour car feel better because so
much of it.
Uh, in one of the podcasts I waslistening to, you talked about
you've gone off in turn onetwice at Summit Point.
Right?
So confidence is key.
Like it had to take a while toget your confidence back.
We know on track, confidence isking.
So if we can make your car feelbetter for your driving style,
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stock or full race car, thenwe've won.
SPEAKER_03 (16:25):
So uh I have a couple of questions.
One, uh, if I'm running a stockcar, would it also uh make
alignment recommendations?
Generally, yeah.
Okay.
Yep.
Okay.
And then uh one comment is whenyou go down the arrow rabbit
hole, uh, be ready.
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And uh maybe I think I have mydata from the wind tunnel if it
gets that serious, if you wantto see what comes out or how it
comes out, at least from the A2,because that's the most common
one people use on the eastcoast.
SPEAKER_01 (16:59):
So um at least, you know, if you could send that
over to me, that would beawesome.
I think there's probably like3,000 formats that I'm gonna
have to figure out how to dealwith, but uh having an initial
one to wrap my head around itwould be great.
SPEAKER_03 (17:12):
Yeah, you'll at least see how they do it down
there.
So it'll cover at least the eastcoast.
I don't know what the west coastguys are doing, or anyone in the
central United States who goesto one, uh more people go than
they say.
So uh yeah, and so the otherquestion is um have you guys
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thought about incorporatingkinematics into the like
advanced level, like so themeasurement of the suspension
pieces and all that stuff?
SPEAKER_01 (17:44):
Yes.
Um, but I think I think ourinitial standpoint is we really
want this to be a 90% solutionor an 80% solution.
Um so there's kind of like allof this really advanced stuff
ends up being a lot of lot ofwork for a very small select few
people that would use it.
Right.
And a lot of those people aremore folks that would like maybe
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have a race engineer buddy thatthey'd talk to anyways, uh, and
kind of like have in their intheir Rolodex, right?
Uh so I don't want to try we'renot trying to replace that at
all, right?
We're really trying to be like acheap, reliable solution that
you can have in your pocket forquick and like very useful
advice.
Um the really advanced tuning, Ithink we'll get there.
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I just think it's there's otherthings where we're trying to
tackle it first and make sureit's really useful to the broad
population.
Uh, but yeah, I've I've gonedown that rabbit hole before and
it it would be complicated, butawesome too, is the thing,
right?
SPEAKER_03 (18:45):
So so that's fair because the level of effort on
our part is large enough, right?
So me legitimately, first off,you would have to have the right
kind of instructions to tell mehow to measure correctly, and
then it's only as good as what Iput in, you know.
Absolutely.
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So there's that that bleed areawhere you have to trust the
data.
So it becomes the the moredetailed you get, uh, the harder
it is gonna be to trust thedata.
I I've mismeasured before,right?
They say measure twice, cutonce.
I I've measured once and had tocut two different boards before,
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you know, like mistakes happen.
Um, I just I I feel like it's onour user level for their I why
do I want to be at I I want tosay that there's more people
that would actually do it if itwere easy her to do, right?
So they'll probably put in theeffort to measure it, but they
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don't want to have to then gointo the tools that are out
there now to enter the stuff,right?
If there was an easier tool touse, they might do it more
often.
So that's there's a balancethere.
I see it, but I just Wanted tomake sure.
SPEAKER_01 (20:01):
Uh, but but I couldn't agree more.
Like on the tooling side, and Ithink it's one of the big things
that has drawn me towardsbuilding this out, right?
Like Garmin Catalyst, you calledthat out earlier.
I think that's a great exampleof something you just put in
your car and it just works,right?
Like it just works.
Minimal setup.
Um, there's some other dataloggers out there that like
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they're great, but you reallyhave to learn how to use them.
Garmin Catalyst, it just works.
I think FireLaps, you had themon recently.
I think they're another greatexample of a company that's
really like introducing somemodern tech in here.
So it doesn't feel ascomplicated, even if you're
doing the same thing, right?
So there's a way where we canmake race setup or like car
setup simple, like remove a tonof the complexity and really get
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people towards like, you know,action and like understanding of
how to pull this stuff offrather than you know really
consuming themselves with theoryand um trying to remember that
and memorize it at the track orhaving you know logbooks or
something, which you kind ofpointed out, like they're
they're not context aware andthey're kind of a burden to pull
out and go through and find theright page and like all of that
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kind of stuff.
Um, and when it tells you 20different things you could do to
your car, it's like, well, whichone?
You know?
Yeah.
Um and that's kind ofoverwhelming and not confidence
inspiring either.
SPEAKER_03 (21:14):
Uh in my opinion, at least with my car, uh, don't
even bother Googling it becausethe information on the internet
is useless.
SPEAKER_00 (21:25):
Well, and when you talk about, you know, your your
rear camber and toe, right?
Yeah.
And the peak and what happens,right?
It's gonna be hard for somebodyto to find that.
Um, this is where we come in.
So when when um when we weredoing the market research,
because there's nothing likethis, right?
The closest thing to this issomething you're gonna use if
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you're like an MZT.
And at that point, you're gonnahave multiple engineers taking
the measurements and doing itall, but it still doesn't give
you an actionable item.
And it doesn't tell you why.
So this is where you know, I'llgive Tim all the credit.
He did a phenomenal job of notonly getting the output of
saying, okay, here's what you'regonna do with our data sources,
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but here's why you're doing it.
Right?
And that's I mean, that's notthe secret sauce, but that is
part of the magic, isunderstanding why.
Um now, the why might bedifferent from what somebody
knows, and that's where they runinto a challenge.
So we get that feedback of like,hey, it told me to do something
differently than my friend did.
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Right.
And it's like, okay, well, wemanually looked at your car and
the software was right.
I'm sorry, but your friend gaveyou inaccurate information.
SPEAKER_03 (22:33):
Yeah, so but the IMSA teams are gonna have two
engineers, three engineers,whatever.
They're gonna have whatever toolthey developed while they were
learning to be engineers, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
They all have a laptop, they allhave a spreadsheet, it all has
some sort of calculator in it,right?
They're not hand jamming thisstuff.
At least I hope not.
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But then they see what thisinformation says, and then they
have to recall what they learnedand the experiences they've had
to then make the changes, right?
There's there's no uh like wirescrossing between what's entered
and the recall because you haveit built into the system, right?
There's a there's a level ofhuman error, right?
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His friend could have been likecompletely uh they're not doing
it on purpose, right?
Uh they uh tell you add somecamber when they really should
have said take some camber awayor whatever it is, right?
It's it's one way or the other,it's it's it's a different,
right?
SPEAKER_01 (23:35):
And it's interesting too because they might not know
that you have a double wishbonesuspension in your front, and
like maybe adding camber isn'tnecessary, right?
Like maybe they're patternmatching against their E36 that
has McPherson Struts, and like,yeah, you need all the camber in
the world because the car'sfront suspension geometry sucks,
you know.
But like there's so much of thatwhere it's like you know what
you know, but sometimes thepattern matching is incorrect
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because of that.
SPEAKER_03 (23:56):
Okay, so before we get into the stuff that comes
out, because I have my initialstuff that so I enter my
vehicle, and you guys know onthe back end what's a McPherson,
what's a double wishbone, what'sa beam axle rear, all of that
stuff is in your databasesomewhere.
SPEAKER_01 (24:17):
So we know a lot of it.
Um, I've spent some timecompiling and like filling out
our database with basically whatI could find in my time
constraint um kind of limit ofplugging it all in.
We still have more stuff to plugin, right?
Like I'm not going to sit hereand say it's perfect, but yeah,
we have a really goodunderstanding of a lot of the
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common cars that are out therethat are running, kind of like
McPherson Struts, divorced kindof rear ends, all of that kind
of stuff.
Just so we know, like, hey, whyis your rear end like why are
you running a 15k rear springand a 12k front?
You know, like that's crazy in alot of cars, but then you
realize, oh, your motion ratioin the rear is 0.65, right?
And then it's like, that makessense now, right?
So we we have a lot of that.
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Uh we're still improving.
It's one thing that I'll say toanyone that ends up joining,
especially listening to thispodcast.
If you see anything that's funnyor any funny recommendations,
um, it's probably just somemissing data on our side.
So shoot us an email, uh,support at raceetuppro.com and
like we'll get it taken care ofwithin days.
Like that that's kind of ourturnaround here.
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So uh we'll we'll make it betterwith with everyone and we'll
fill in the gaps kind of as wego.
SPEAKER_03 (25:25):
Yeah, and I think with all startups, you have to
understand that not everything'sgonna be perfect all the time,
and the input you can give themjust betters the uh the product,
right?
And if you make it better, it'smore usable for you, it's more
usable for everyone.
Just pat yourself on the backover that because there's no
need to be like, oh, they theymissed a period or whatever,
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like the the the kg spring rateis reading like a LB spring rate
instead of the other way,whatever, like something got
crossed on the back end,whatever.
SPEAKER_00 (26:01):
Well, so so yesterday at the track, I had to
go up to a guy and I just toldhim, I'm like, we do not have a
C8Z06 um in our database yet.
Like, I would love for you tocome and enter your information.
So he comes walking over withhis notebook and he goes, By the
way, I have an aftermarketsuspension.
And I'm like, Great, no problem.
What do you got?
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He's like, I got quad adjustableshocks.
And so we entered all theinformation the best we could.
It was a little bit differentthan uh um because each setting
had a different number ofclicks.
We didn't account for that, butwe made it work, and so then he
goes, What's it telling me todo?
Here's what the car's doing ontrack.
(26:43):
Sure enough, he looked at whathis chassis shop expert told
him, and the software nailed it.
And I looked at him and said,The best part, you don't have to
bother somebody on a Sunday,right?
Right, right.
So that it did get that right.
Trust me, we've we found plentyof bugs.
Um, but the more users, the moreaccurate it gets.
That's a great part of AI.
SPEAKER_03 (27:03):
So I have a uh this is another question about the
more users and and how your AIis operating, but uh on the back
end, are you gonna startrelating uh like my setup with a
2007 civic to somebody with a2008 or something similar, like
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generations per car?
Are they all gonna startgrouping data by car, by type,
and things like that?
SPEAKER_01 (27:34):
I think to a degree, right?
Uh it's not anything we'renecessarily going to expose to
the user on like a dynamicbasis, right?
But we use it as part of thetraining set for like the AI
that we have trained.
Um, and the other thing on the AAI that I'll say, it's like we
use it, but we mostly use it forformatting data and like making
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it more personal and like morerelevant to the track that
you're using, and and reallyjust like I don't know, if you
go back 10 years ago, you'd lookat something like this, and all
it would be able to do is likebullet points, like you know,
increase uh front compression tonine, you know, increase front
rebound to nine, and that wouldkind of be it.
It'd be really hard to havepersonality around some of the
suggestions and really gluingtogether some of it.
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So that's where we're using AIfor the most part.
But from a training standpoint,too, there's something
interesting to be said.
Once we start getting a ton ofdata, I think the biggest use
case for it is going to be tirerecommendations, right?
Um, because we can we can lookat all of the different
pressures that people have run.
We ask them to put in theirlaptime targets, their laptime
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actuals, all that kind of stuff.
We can start to see what reallyworks.
Um, because the hardest thingabout tire pressures is you go
on Hoosier's website and youlook up like what should I be
running a 255-4017 forpressures?
And it's like 38.
And it's like, no, no one doesthat, right?
So we can't use anythingpublished online.
We also don't want to get datafrom forms and stuff because you
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have, I don't know, like it'snot reliable by any degree.
So we want to really startsourcing that ourselves, um,
have it backed with some datatoo.
Uh, it'd be great if we couldpartner up with a telemetry
company to really get like someobjective data, right?
Uh, to your point, like gooddata in is good data out.
So, like, if we can improve thedata that's coming in and really
start to make some decisionswith it, uh, that would be
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magical, right?
And it doesn't take that thatmuch.
Um, but that that is definitelya goal of ours.
So I do data every day, and I Iyou can correct me if I'm wrong.
SPEAKER_03 (29:34):
It's your your uh your device, your AI.
But personally, I would preferlike I didn't guess at my shock
settings.
I wanted to know what my shocksettings exactly were for that
event by corner to enter inbecause I didn't want to put in
shaky data because shaky dataproduces inconsistency.
(29:59):
Shaky results.
Yep.
So if you don't know it, don'tput it in.
If you can go home and do it,add it later.
Like it absolutely from fromwhat I've seen, it's it's very
uh simple to to just operate andwork around, which I appreciate,
right?
I deal with things all day thatare way overly complex, right?
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We don't need it thiscomplicated.
I don't know who designed it tobe this complicated, but this
system is really easy to use.
SPEAKER_01 (30:28):
So absolutely.
And that that's been a big focusfor us, right?
Like we want to take thecomplexity away from you, but
that doesn't mean there isn'tcomplexity like over on my side
of things.
There's a ton of it, but wedon't have to surface that to
people, right?
Like we need simple kind ofquestions around like what is
your car doing, right?
Let's try and figure out whyit's doing that, and let's try
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and figure out somerecommendations.
And then you get to come backand tell us if we were right or
wrong, right?
Are you still under steering,right?
In mid-corner, um mid-cornerstuff that's like, you know,
high speed, like uh high speedsweepers.
And it's like, if you are likemaybe we didn't tell you to do
enough, um, or maybe we justmade a bad recommendation.
And I think for the most part,it comes down to like baseline
(31:12):
setup, and we're just not movingthe needle enough.
But again, that's data, right?
We can start to really figureout um how many clicks is
appropriate given a baselinesetup and all of that kind of
stuff.
So we'll we'll we'll start doingthat pattern matching once we
get some more data for sure.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (31:27):
I so con when you had Manny on, he talked about a
clean car at the track was onethat was prepped.
So if I could lay out theperfect world for one of our
users, is on Thursday you wouldgo into the software at your
desk and you would entereverything because you have
access to your clicker settingsand you know your cold tire
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pressures and all of that.
If you're trying to do itSaturday morning at the track
while you're getting to thedriver's meeting and out on
track, you're only gonna entersome of the information.
And some in is gonna give yousome out.
Right.
But on Thursday, if you enterthe information, on Friday you
can make those baselineadjustments, and on Saturday
morning, you can go do yourfirst session, and then it takes
two minutes to do a post-sessioninterview.
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And our software isn't gonnagive you the right answer
because there isn't a rightanswer.
What it's gonna do is put you onthe path to get your car to
handle better.
Um, you know, one of the thingsRoss Bentley said on on his
podcast was if your car is notgiving you issues, you're not
pushing hard enough.
That's fair.
So because once it's at a levelwhere it's handling properly,
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your confidence is up, and nowyou're gonna push harder, and
now you're gonna expose the nextweakness, and the software is
going to adapt with you alongthe way.
SPEAKER_03 (32:41):
That's that's why we work on the car, work on
ourselves, because it's sort oflike a one step at a time.
You know, you improve yourselfto the point where the car feels
ruined again, and then you haveto figure out how to make the
car feel better, and then you goa little bit faster, and the car
sucks again, and you just keepyou just keep pressing forward.
SPEAKER_00 (32:58):
So And you said it, you don't like to buy tires.
SPEAKER_03 (33:01):
Oh, I hate buying tires.
SPEAKER_00 (33:02):
So your flicker settings on stickers should be
different than your stickersettings on six or eight heat
cycles, right?
And it sounds like you're likeme.
I mean, I run my Hoosiers, Iflip them on the on the rim.
I'm getting 25, 30, 35 heatcycles out of them, but my
suspension has to adapt becausethe car's not handling the same
thing.
SPEAKER_03 (33:20):
Yeah, that's not happening uh over here.
Uh I have a McPherson Strutfront wheel drive um at 10 heat
cycles, they're screaming formercy and showing cord.
So uh I get like two weekendsout of the fronts, which is
good.
And then I I don't mind that.
If you want to be competitive,you gotta stay on the on the
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Crispus tire.
So if I can get two weekends outof it, I'm good.
And the rears they can stay onfor about 10 years, I'm okay
with that.
But okay, so I did my initialsetup and I did it based off of
my last event at Summit Point.
I do want to make a caveat thatI don't think I personally, so I
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still do a sheet, it's part ofmy check, my checklist for going
out, is I put in what mysuspension setup is.
If this thing tells me to changeit, then I need to update my
sheet.
The temperature changes, I needto update my my cold tire
pressure goal, right?
Or because my hot's gonna staythe same, right?
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So I I don't necessarily think Ican set everything on Thursday
and forget it, but I I dounderstand that I need to be
prepared, right?
And I think that's the biggestthing.
Fill out my normal checklistsheet, go out, come back in.
I can put everything in whileI'm doing that, I can hot wash
myself.
How was the car?
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Where was where was Istruggling?
And then I can put that in thehot wash.
But so uh one thing that I thinkis really good is that you have
at least the setup analysis thatI got done.
Um, you have key takeaways, youhave high priorities, you have
medium priorities, and lowpriorities.
(35:09):
And so I I think that's goodbecause some of them are easy to
do, some of them aren't thateasy to do, track side.
Um, so it really tells you likea high priority that you can do
pretty quickly, you know, andthere might be one that you
can't do really quickly, so itallows you to decide, you know,
how much effort some of us don'thave time, right?
(35:32):
Can I make a shock adjustmentand a tire pressure change?
Yes, because I have 45 minutes.
Am I doing a spring swap?
No, not in 45 minutes and notgetting it back on the ground
with the correct measurementsthat I feel I need, let alone
what the system would need,right?
So um, yeah, so let's talk aboutthat.
(35:53):
So I have this basic setup init, and it gives me some
pointers so uh that I need tomake adjustments for.
I'll make those adjustments andI go back out.
So walk me through the process.
So I come off the track, I login, what am I doing now?
SPEAKER_01 (36:11):
Yeah, so you come off the track.
So if you have a track weekend,uh you'll start a track day,
you'll select the track, you'llenter in kind of the initial
temperatures for the track,right?
Um, you'll select the setup thatyou're gonna be using.
Some people, I know Jeff, youhave a bunch of different
setups.
Like you have track specificsetups.
So some people do that.
I'm kind of lazier.
I just have a setup for my carand I'll kind of tune at the
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track and just kind of keep ongoing from there, right?
Um so you select that, youselect some goals and stuff to
kind of set up like, hey, areyou doing a race?
Are you doing time trial?
Uh, do you have a specific laptime target?
You're gonna tell us your goalsthat you're going into it, just
so we can kind of like set ourtolerance for some of the
suggestions about like howaggressive we want to be with
them, right?
If you're going to do a race,you really need that feedback
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quick, right?
And sometimes you're gonna wannabe like out on track and be
like, okay, I want one too manyclicks front compression, but
that's fine.
You can go back and you kind oflike might intuitively know to
change that.
Um, from there, you have theability to kind of do post-track
interviews every time you comeoff the track.
So you get to fine-tune all thehandling issues that you have.
Uh, you get to say, all right, Ihave mid-corner under steer, uh,
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you know, maybe I have cornerexit over steer, right?
Whatever kind of the combinationof issues uh you have, you get
to plug those in, right?
You get to tell us where yourtire pressures are at, where are
your um, you know, what are thetemps at, right?
Um, hopefully you're taking kindof like inner, outer uh, and
center temps, right?
So we can start to make somesome kind of recommendations
based off of that.
(37:38):
And then similar to what you gothere, we'll give you a
recommendation, right?
We have a little more data to gooff of, we have a little bit
more information about yourgoals.
Um, and then one thing that Istill need to introduce is
basically selecting uh arecommendation to apply, right?
So you'll select therecommendation, we'll update
your setup, you go ahead andapply the change, and then we
get to track that, right?
(37:58):
So we get to understand whatwe've changed over time.
Uh, you get to come back andagain tell us rinse and repeat,
right?
SPEAKER_00 (38:05):
It will instruct you to not do three changes.
Right.
Right?
It will it will guide you tosay, are you sure you want to do
two?
Right?
It's it really we want you to doone at a time.
Okay, because then you knowwhat's what's happening on your
car.
SPEAKER_03 (38:18):
Yeah, so I'm at my on my setup analysis complete,
and it's telling me to decreasemy uh front compression by three
clicks, and then increase myrear rebound by three clicks.
I think that's plenty becauseI'm working on two ends of the
car, right?
So I can select it, I can clickon it, it says selected.
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If I press, oh, it says applyone change.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (38:44):
Yep.
Awesome.
And so that that might be brokenright now.
Full full uh disclaimer here.
Yeah, but that's like half big.
SPEAKER_03 (38:51):
But that's the intention, is that it will
update my information with thethings done.
Can that's right.
Can can I be bougie and requestthat when I select it, I can
select whether I do the front orthe rear or both.
SPEAKER_01 (39:06):
Yeah, that's a great idea.
Honestly, I think you're thefirst person that provided that
feedback, but that makes a tonof sense.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (39:12):
Because I would literally do one, I would
probably do the front becauseI'm always complaining about the
front end of my car.
And then the rear seems likespot on, right?
Especially if I can get a littlemore grip than the the it takes
it away from the rear, just thatlittle bit extra that I want.
(39:32):
So I would work there first.
So just yeah.
I mean great feedback layman's.
Yeah, but yeah, I I I gotcha.
SPEAKER_00 (39:41):
I haven't got the and you can do all this on your
phone.
Yeah, that's the best part.
SPEAKER_03 (39:45):
Yeah, so I haven't laptop there.
Um I'm well by the time thisgoes out, I'll be at I will have
done a uh day at Pine View inNew York, and then uh I may Keep
the car together.
I'm waffling.
I may keep the car togetherenough where I can do the last
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event at Summit Point justbecause I want to really dial it
in, whether I make a gear changeor not.
Um, you know, who needs a couplemile an hour on the
straightaway?
I don't know.
But um yeah, so I I actually I'mreally excited about this
product to really come out andstart using it.
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Um one question I have is do youanticipate that AI will run out
of recommendations?
SPEAKER_01 (40:36):
No, and here's why.
Okay.
Um we're relying less and lesson AI for recommendations as
time goes on.
Okay.
Um, you're a data guy, right?
You know good data is good datain, good data out.
With AI, that doesn't exist,right?
There's always hallucinations,context window is getting
better, all of this kind of techstuff, right?
(40:57):
Like it's moving in the rightdirection, but it's still not
consistent.
Um so the reality is we cancodify a lot of this um and then
rely on AI for some of thisstuff that we really don't know
that's a little moreexperimental.
Um but I think the reality iswith user feedback, with stuff
that you're saying, with stuffthat our user base ends up
saying, like there's an infiniteamount of stuff that I think we
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can ultimately accomplish.
And you even called it outbefore, like doing kinematics or
doing like CFD data, right?
There's so much stuff we candive into if people get tired of
the recommendations that arebeing made.
Um but the reality is, and ourhunch is every track is
different, right?
To to Jeff's point, your tiresare different every time, right?
(41:40):
So you're never going to thetrack with the same car, the
same um kind of like externalvariables.
So everything's always changing,right?
Yeah.
Um, and you're always kind ofneeding to tweak your car so it
can help you, you know, kind ofdo the same thing you did last
time or better, right?
Um, so I think we can go a longway with almost what we have now
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and kind of like really refiningwhat we have now uh with kind of
like you know, damper settings,um, sway bar recommendations,
arrow settings, all of that kindof stuff.
Um, because the reality is likeevery time you go out on a
track, it's gonna be a usefultool, right?
Like um, it's always different.
So so it's it's hard to uh yeah,I don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (42:21):
So the pro teams who have more data than anybody
never stop making adjustments,right?
Because it's always different.
The driver's experience level,just if they're at the track for
three days, their experiencelevel is different on the third
day, right?
So the the tweaks are endless.
SPEAKER_03 (42:38):
I I I I don't disagree.
I think I'm on a I don't it'sundetermined what version Toyota
R I'm on right now, but there'sa new one coming out, right?
And and so just that changealone, yeah, especially on my
car, my car is very tire moody,okay.
It's very pressure moody.
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If you miss the pressures, youare hosed in my car, okay.
Just how it is.
Uh some cars don't care as much.
Mine cares more than average, Iwould say, right?
But between that, weather, uhanything, anything, you know,
ambient temperature, how muchdrag is going into the car, you
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know, as your your uh brakeswear, sometimes you they create
drag on the system, and thatstarts to alter the handling of
cars in certain types ofcorners.
There's all sorts of things thatneed to be overcome.
Um my thing was I really um ohman, I'm I got an old man moment
(43:47):
that I I just wanted to to makesure that people realize that
this isn't a short-term thing,you're not gonna learn it all.
Maybe you can, okay.
There's I mean, I was one ofthose kids that memorized the
back of all the baseball cards.
So over time, especially if youstay in the same two tracks like
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I have, and you experience thesame weather in the same months
because the schedule neverchanges.
Some of those things are gonnabe redundant, but there's other
things that happen, right?
I changed brake pads, it alteredhow my car was uh uh coming into
the corner because it didn'twant to release.
It was a very slow pad torelease, okay?
(44:32):
So it it changed things, right?
SPEAKER_00 (44:35):
So uh there's different, there's always gonna
be something, and I think it'simportant to realize that one of
the great things about thissport and many of us that do it
is we are chasing tents.
Like people that are satisfieddon't do this sport, right?
The the the people I've met thathave been doing it for 30 years
(44:57):
are still chasing how to getfaster.
So, and you know, once your caris kind of plateaued, what do
you do?
You change it, and then yousometimes you can be starting
over.
I've I just switched my car to a200 treadware tire for grid
life, and it is a completelydifferent setup.
Like I'm doing test and tunedays because my camber's wrong,
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my toe's pretty much the same,but the camber, the tire
pressures, the tire temps.
So I'm you know, type and I'mtyping it into the software, and
it's telling me what to do, andI don't even have to think about
it.
SPEAKER_03 (45:31):
So uh here was another thing that uh uh another
recommendation, mostly because Idon't remember because uh it's
been a week since I put my datain.
Um but when we're so this is acaution to the users, and then
maybe uh something for you guysto think about is uh like a
definition of what mid-cornerpushes or what mid-corner
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overseer means.
Um and then you as a driver,when you're making this input,
you really have to read throughthose or really understand what
the your expectations are so youcan provide the right feedback,
right?
Because it could be you'reseeing a mid-corner push.
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You think it's a mid-cornerpush, but you really need to
evaluate maybe your brake issticking, or maybe it's the
transition of gas to break orbreak to gas that's causing it,
or something, right?
So you have to you have to themore educated you are as the
user, the better information youcan provide, and then then you
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will again get betterinformation out.
So I think that's totally that'sa just a recommendation for you
guys to maybe help some people,especially the newer they are
with the system.
Um, yep, you know, those guyswith stock cars, they don't
always know what they're doing.
I definitely don't know.
(46:58):
Well, yeah, it's okay, but thenwhere is it on track, right?
And how correct, right?
SPEAKER_01 (47:03):
The whole yeah.
So it's it's a big thing, right?
Like being able to understand ifit's a car setup issue or if
it's a driver issue, or maybeit's something mechanical that's
influencing it.
Like, we can probably ask somequestions that can start to
drive us closer to understandingthat.
And uh it's really important,right?
Like, are you experiencing snapover steer because of a setup
issue, or were you like sawingat the wheel and your car just
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went wild because you wereasking it for too much?
That's important stuff becauseat some point it's actually not
a setup issue, and we probablyshould recommend some other
stuff to folks, right?
Um, so that's something that'son the roadmap.
Okay.
Uh just trying to nail down likewhat that looks like and how do
we again not overcomplicatethat, right?
(47:45):
I think the whole ethos of thisthing is like keep it simple,
right?
Like keep the user input simple,but extract a lot of information
uh based out of those inputs.
SPEAKER_03 (47:53):
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, I know the guys that Irace with, they I have the
catalyst in the car right now,and they want um a better view
of me driving.
There is no view of me driving,right?
It's right out the windshield,it's a catalyst.
Okay.
Um, because they want to makesure when I complain about my
car, it's not my fault.
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Because I mean we're the humanelement, right?
So I and it's all perception ofme, right?
It's my perception of the car.
I've had somebody else drive mycar, and he's like, I wouldn't
change a thing.
And I was like, I just want alittle bit more rotation, you
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know, mid-corner, like or youknow, corner entry, whatever.
This is what I want.
And he's like, No, no, don't dothat.
You know, uh, it's perfect theway it is.
And and I've made one minoradjustment.
My car's a moody with the rearride height.
So I changed the rear rideheight, and the last time I went
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out, I couldn't get enough cleantrack to see how fast it would
go.
So um, but the fact I still havea complaint and then I'm still
getting feedback, I got feedbackon my setup.
I'm I want to go try it, right?
Like if it'll make me go faster,let's go.
Let's go do it.
You know, so awesome.
SPEAKER_00 (49:17):
So our goal for someone like you is can we help
you find tense?
Can we can we help you gainconfidence in your car?
Um, once you get that turn-inthat you want, what's next,
right?
Because once you have theturn-in, probably something's
gonna happen mid-corner orcorner exit that you're gonna
want because now you're carryingmore speed in.
Correct.
And you know, this is the greatpart of the sport, and this is
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where you know our softwarecomes in to help.
SPEAKER_03 (49:40):
Yeah, and then then once you get that type of
corner, right?
Because you you ask about slowspeed, high speed, mid speed,
you define that stuff.
I remember that.
So you're gonna cause once youmake that tweak, maybe you
caused an issue somewhere else.
Okay, now we need to figure thatout.
SPEAKER_01 (49:59):
So uh and then what it becomes, it becomes on the
driver to figure out almost whatto prioritize, right?
Right.
Like where where do I need toget the time?
And and that's something wecould probably dig into a little
bit uh as well, right?
Understanding the tracks, thecorners, right?
Iterating that I don't know,maybe kind of like getting on
gas early is should be an easypriority and it's a safe way to
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kind of drive and it's alsoquick, but it's not the only way
to get around the track.
So some of it's gonna be up todriver preference and kind of
reckoning, reckoning withyourself, like where are the
places I'm okay with the car notfeeling great if it can feel
great in these other kind ofspots for sure.
SPEAKER_03 (50:35):
Absolutely.
And it may change by track,right?
I don't need a car that's highspeed stable as high speed
stable when there's no highspeed corners on the track,
right?
So um, yeah, so you can you mayneed to change it up, but so
okay, what by the time this goesout, it'll be a couple more
weeks from recording.
(50:56):
So it'll be three or four weeksfrom the time you guys went from
beta into uh live.
Um let's talk about just sopeople realize there's people
who are using it, and let's talkabout the success they've been
having recently.
SPEAKER_00 (51:15):
Yeah, so we've seen it on everything from race cars
to uh bone stock, just adjustingair pressures.
Uh one of our uh early wins wasa gentleman that lives at NJMP.
Um so if you're wondering howmuch track time he does, he
lives at NJMP.
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His race car was broken, he tookhis streetcar out that he's done
lots of laps in, and he couldn'tbelieve it.
He actually beat his PB by overtwo seconds.
And this is somebody that knowswhat they're doing, checks their
pressures, they know their car,they know the track.
And the, I mean, we just keephearing that over and over
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again.
Um, you know, uh time trialpeople uh setting PBs in time
trials, one one up in Canada ispart of the beta.
He was ecstatic.
Um, the best part for us iseverybody comes to us with
doubt.
They're like, I didn't think itwould work.
And it's like, well, thank youfor trying it anyway.
Because there isn't anythinglike it.
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Right.
Um, this past weekend, I wasdoing free analysis for people.
And you know, two of them signedup.
They did one session, theirfirst session with changes,
beating PPs.
Right?
And that's their first session.
Now, when you're cutting asecond off, you can't expect to
cut another second off.
Like that was the big win.
But that's why it's find thosetents because that's what's
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going to happen.
Um, but our whole goal was tobuild confidence in your car
because there's a ton of dataloggers out there.
There's fire laps now for driverdevelopment.
There's a lot of people that youcan get to sit right seat, or
you can watch videos, takeclasses, read books on the
driving.
Um, but we joke because we knowit's often said it's it's you
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know, it's not the car, it'syou.
So we joke and say it's not you,it's the car.
Right.
Um, but it's really both, right?
Because we do need driverdevelopment, and that should be
coming from data.
We also need it as real-timeinput from an experienced person
sitting next to us if you have aright seat.
But the piece that's beenmissing, and it I will I will
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tell you, it is so hard forpeople to wrap their head around
this when they take it, becausehuman nature is we want to
understand what's in front ofus.
And when we tell them we'regonna help you with your setup,
they're like, Well, do you putsensors in my car?
Nope.
It's interview-based.
Okay, do you plug into my OBDtoo?
Nope.
You're literally gonna tell uswhat your car's doing because
you already have somethingplugged into your OBD too.
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Right.
Right now, let us help you withthe car.
SPEAKER_03 (53:50):
Correct.
And everybody's different, likeyou said earlier.
Your setup, car set up differentthan mine.
Even if we had the same setup,you could have a complaint about
entry, I could have a complaintabout exit.
Like how we drive, it's it's allabout how we drive.
So we have to always work onourselves as drivers, but then
independently we need to figureout the vehicles, and we have to
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provide that input.
And I'm happy that your productis taking personal input and
then providing a personalizedsolution.
I think that's important.
It's not just uh a page of 15things to do, right?
SPEAKER_00 (54:24):
Like so and the best part is you don't have to tell
your friends you're using thesoftware, they can just think
you got better, right?
You don't have to give us anycredit if you don't want because
there's plenty of people thatjust want their friends to think
they're an amazing driver.
But I have a buddy that can hopin anything and drive it and
drive it fast.
I am a sensitive butterfly.
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If my toe is off, I have toadjust it.
SPEAKER_03 (54:48):
Yeah.
Right?
I agree.
SPEAKER_00 (54:50):
We're here for you.
Awesome.
Either way.
SPEAKER_03 (54:54):
So, guys, is there anything else you guys want to
talk about for uh race setuppro?
Did we miss anything?
SPEAKER_00 (55:02):
I my one ask is for people to log in and just try it
out.
You know, for the amount ofmoney we spend on our cars, you
can literally try our softwarefor 10 bucks.
It is the cheapest tool you willhave in your trailer, but it's
going to be foreign.
This is different.
There's nothing, there'sliterally the closest thing to
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this on the market is aridiculously expensive software
package that you need multipleengineers to measure camber arms
and angles and all stuff that Ican't do.
Right.
But for 10 bucks, you can gofaster in the weekend.
Like, how do you not try it?
SPEAKER_03 (55:40):
Yeah, absolutely.
Uh I mean, you got me as assomebody paying right now.
Just I I want to know.
I want to know how it works.
I want to know how it can helpme.
Like you said, I I need to findthose tenths.
Um my consistency according tothe stupid Garmin is like
ridiculous.
But it's yeah, that I just needthat much more speed.
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And if I had the consistency,then it then the fight's on,
right?
So awesome.
SPEAKER_00 (56:10):
Well, we look forward to hearing from you
after Pine View.
SPEAKER_03 (56:13):
Oh, yeah, we'll see.
I'm I'm getting some coaching.
You know, I need I need to fixthis idiot driver that drives my
perfectly good car.
SPEAKER_00 (56:21):
So you use the software too, and just give us
credit for all of it.
SPEAKER_03 (56:25):
Well, we'll see.
SPEAKER_00 (56:28):
Congrats on getting the coach.
That never ends.
SPEAKER_03 (56:30):
I appreciate it.
Um, yeah, where can everybodyfind you?
Instagram.
Let's reiterate all that,please.
SPEAKER_00 (56:39):
Yep.
So uh we are on Facebook, but wedo focus on Instagram.
It's raceetupro on both andraceetuppro.com.
Uh if you're anywhere in thenortheast, pretty much every
weekend you can find one of uson track.
So we're we hit it hard.
SPEAKER_03 (56:55):
Awesome, guys.
I appreciate you coming on.
SPEAKER_00 (56:58):
Thank you for having us.
SPEAKER_02 (56:59):
Yeah, thanks for having us.
That was a ton of fun.
Until next time, keep working onyourself, keep working on the
car, and let's get faster.
Absolutely.
So we take into accountbasically anything you could
have in your car.
And the reality is you don'thave to put it all in at first,
right?
Like if you're really justconcerned about tire pressures,
like plug in the tires thatyou're running, plug in the
size, uh, and kind of plug inlike what's your target hot
pressure, right?
Uh we can then kind of go fromthere with a lot of stuff.
SPEAKER_02 (00:28):
Welcome to the Blind Apex Podcast, where amateur club
racers tune in to get faster.
SPEAKER_03 (00:43):
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Not that long ago, I said thistopic was probably too
complicated, well, to actuallyexist.
And here we are.
We're going to talk more aboutAI.
And specifically, what I'll sayis how to get an AI race
(01:06):
engineer in your pocket to helpyou with race car setup.
I've used it a little, I'vedefinitely explored it, and I've
got a couple of gentlemen fromRace Setup Pro to talk more
about it.
Welcome to the podcast.
And can you guys pleaseintroduce yourselves to the
audience?
SPEAKER_01 (01:24):
Sounds good.
So hey everyone.
Thanks for having us on.
Uh my name's Tim.
I'm the technical side of RaceSetup Pro.
My background is honestly intech, right?
Uh fintech, e-commerce, uh, havea bunch of roots in the startup
world.
Um, I've been into cars and wasintroduced to Oval Racing when I
was a kid, right?
Uh I used to run around kind ofum uh kind of racetracks in the
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northeast, hanging out in thepaddock for modified cars, just
watching them go around andaround and around again.
Um, so I was hooked on from whenI was a young kid.
And I think I've had about 15 orso cars that I've been tinkering
with throughout my lifetime,right?
I love to understand how thingswork.
And about four or five yearsago, I got an E36, which brought
me into driving on track.
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Um and for the first few years,it was a ton of carting, sim
racing, time attack kind ofstyle stuff with the local club
that I helped run up here in theNortheast called Com Sports Car
Club.
And then this year I've reallybeen digging into wheel-to-wheel
stuff with Champ Car NortheastGT.
Uh, and I'm gonna make my debutover on GLTC over at Pit Race.
Um, rest in peace.
Pour one out, everyone.
(02:30):
Uh, it's going away soon,unfortunately.
Um, so what that's led me to inthe last couple of years is
really digging around with carsetup, right?
Uh driver mod gets you most ofthe way there, but fighting a
bad car is something that isreally tough, right?
Weather conditions changes.
Sometimes your setup that goesfrom one track to another track
uh kind of works to a varyingdegree.
(02:51):
So I started to really dig in,study, and understand this, and
uh met Jeff a few years ago.
We got started talking about theidea.
I'll let Jeff you kind ofintroduce yourself before
getting ahead of ourselves.
But um, yeah, it's been a fun,fun past couple years.
SPEAKER_00 (03:07):
So I am Jeff Zizulis, uh Jay-Z, uh, you can
call me, uh, or my kids call meChief, whatever works for you.
So nobody in my family was incars, not a single person.
In 1994, I ended up at a Forddealership at 19 years old and
bought a bright red Mustang GT.
Um, I still wasn't into cars, Ijust liked that one.
(03:29):
Uh, I started drag racing andyou know, it was fun.
I got into the 11 seconds and Irealized it was, you know, an
11-second adrenaline rush.
So as my kids grew up, I got outof drag racing and we got into
motocross, and I was horrible atit.
Um, I ended my motocross careerwith three months in a
wheelchair.
Um, and that was only one ofmany crashes.
(03:50):
So um, by the way.
Yes, they do.
SPEAKER_03 (03:55):
But at the motocross track, oh yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (03:58):
I got a new hip because of it too.
Oh wow.
SPEAKER_03 (04:00):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (04:01):
Um, but at the motocross track, they say with
age comes a cage, and I didn'tknow what that meant.
Um, but I had a 2012 Boss 302Mustang.
I took it to Thompson with SCDA,and my first instructor, Butch,
was amazing.
At the end of the day, I said,if there's one piece of advice
should I take away from today,what is it?
He goes, Go buy a Miata.
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So I did.
Um, and we all know they'rereally slow, and to make them,
you know, go decent around atrack, you got to have them set
up right.
So I'm a bit OCD, so I startedmeasuring tire pressures, temps.
Um, I'm too cheap to pay foralignment, so I started figuring
it out myself.
And then I quickly realizedpeople were asking me, what
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should my pressures be?
And at that point, with all theresearch I was doing, I was
saving away these files, andthen it became, hey, my car is
under steering in turn four,what should I do?
And we talked through it andmake some adjustments and came
up with this idea.
And, you know, Tim approached meand said, Hey, if you need help
with this, let me know.
(05:04):
I'm like, Tim, I don't need helpwith it.
I am lost.
I I knew what I needed it to do,but I am not a software guy.
I've been in sales for almost 30years.
So my job in sales is tooversimplify things, complain to
the IT guy about it, and get himto fix it.
Right.
So Tim and I meet, and yeah, welaunched Race Setup Pro and it's
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been live for a week.
Okay.
So officially live, beta testedfor a few months.
SPEAKER_03 (05:30):
So it's raceetuppro.com, not
raceetup.pro, correct?
SPEAKER_00 (05:37):
Correct, raceetuppro.com.
Thank you.
Yep.
Yep.
So the website's live.
Um this weekend, I'm at thetrack.
Two people signed up, they usedit, both of them came up, and
it's always the same thing.
I didn't actually think it wouldwork.
One of them, it's their hometrack.
I posted it on Instagram today.
He's got hundreds and hundredsof laps there in the same car.
(06:00):
He's like, My car didn't evenfeel fast, and I beat my
personal best by just over asecond, which is huge.
We know what we pay for parts tobeat our personal best by a
second.
SPEAKER_03 (06:11):
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, we know how muchhorsepower that is, and we know
how much you know where you haveto to mess with the the weight,
power to weight ratios andthings.
I have a I have a booklet, and Ibelieve it's with my catalyst
somewhere, but it's a bookletthat says uh if you're pushing,
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do this.
And it has a page if it ifyou're oversteering, do this,
and it has a page.
Um and I don't well, and I Ihaven't looked at it in a while,
confession, right?
But it's uh it it'll tell youlike more clicks here, or no
clicks here, or go more toe outthis way, or toe in or add more
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camber, whatever.
It's an old timey flip book.
And I tried to use it for awhile, and I was like, it's not
really tailored to me.
How does it know if I havecompression and rebound for my
shocks, these types of things,right?
And I and I'll also confess somethings.
So I uh have a mountain of tirepressure data with track temps,
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ambient temps, barometricpressures, top cold pressure,
what the hot pressure was comingoff, all that jazz.
Because, like you, my the numberone question I was getting, what
are you setting your tirepressures to?
SPEAKER_02 (07:44):
Yep.
SPEAKER_03 (07:45):
Um, and I was like, we should just make an app that
says I'm here, this is theweather, link it to like weather
bug or whatever, and then tellthem what tire you're running,
and then it should recommendsomething, you know.
Yep.
So uh that never really gotgoing.
I have mountains of the data,but it never really moved.
(08:07):
Because like you.
SPEAKER_00 (08:08):
Well, it didn't get going with you, because we had
the similar idea, yeah, right?
Because I I think it is the Imean with cell phones, it's can
you hear me now?
At the racetrack, it's whatshould my pressures be.
Correct.
And the the three of us could bein the same car with the same
tires and the same setups, andlike different pressures for
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driving style.
Yep.
So um yeah, so it's it's the thefamous question.
SPEAKER_03 (08:36):
Okay, so race setuppro.com.
I go and I create a sign-in.
Okay.
I sign up for the the service,there's different plans.
Maybe we get into that now.
Uh yeah.
What's the levels here?
SPEAKER_01 (08:54):
Yeah, so I can run through that.
So we have three differentlevels right now.
Um, each one comes in a monthlyor annual subscription.
Right now we're actually running50% off for our first 100 users.
So we still have some spots leftif anyone's interested in trying
this out for the annual plan.
But the three different levels.
So we have weekend pass thatgets you two track days a month.
Um, basically, you start yourtrack day, you get an initial
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analysis, uh, and basically likea baseline setting for your car
and track setup, right?
Understanding what you have inyour car and just saying, like,
hey, you know, wantkins Glenn,it's a high-speed track.
Uh, maybe you should do X, Y,and Z based off of that.
Um, for post-session interviews,uh, that's basically what
happens after you go through andstart your track day, right?
You get off the track.
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I'm having issues withundersteer in in mid-speed
corners, right?
What are the adjustments Ishould make, right?
Here are the ambienttemperatures, here's the track
temperature.
Uh, if you know your tirepressure is awesome.
We try and kind of prompt peoplein the right direction to say,
like, hey, you should bechecking this stuff.
Uh, and then we can give youfeedback on it too.
Uh, so that'll start to give youan analysis based off your
handling issues.
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Um we'll uh and then basicallywe're logging all of the tire
attempts over time.
So eventually, we don't havethis quite yet, but eventually
we'll be able to use that forboth making more kind of high
quality recommendations and thenalso kind of uh letting you know
like what worked for you andwhat didn't, right?
Um so that's the weekend pass.
I won't go into detail about allthe specific areas for this, but
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it's really gated based off anumber of track days per month.
Uh so starter, you get fourtrack days per month, 18
post-session interviews, weassume about six sessions uh a
day, and then pro 10 track daysper month, uh, and 60
post-session interviews permonth.
There's also a vehicle countassociated with that.
So if you're running multiplevehicles with the pro plan, you
get three vehicles instead ofone, uh, where you can kind of
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enter your setup information umand kind of track it that way.
SPEAKER_00 (10:47):
And Khan, I think it's important to point out like
our software doesn't know likewhat level of driver you are.
So we do start at a baseline.
Um, we've had questions about,hey, well, it's saying this and
I know that, right?
This is where we're gonna make arecommendation.
But then as you do yourpost-session interview and you
provide feedback, it startsadapting to you.
SPEAKER_04 (11:08):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (11:09):
Right.
But you know, that's it's one ofthe many rabbit holes we could
go down when we're designingthis.
How do how do we determine howyour level of experience, how
good of a driver you are?
Because if it's number of trackdays, that doesn't mean you're
fast.
If it's lap time, you might befast.
But what you know, running a 120at a track in one car is much
different than 120 if you're ina Miata, right?
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Compared to 700 horsepower.
So we haven't we haven't duginto that yet, but it just
starts at a baseline.
But as soon as you startentering your information,
that's when it gets really youknow customized to you.
SPEAKER_03 (11:41):
Right.
So I've chosen XYZ, whatever.
I don't I actually don'tremember which one, what level I
selected, but I I have highambitions for 2026, but we'll
see.
Um you select your plan and thenyou start to build out your
profile.
So what's right, what's in yourprofile that people should know?
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Because I totally jumped in headfirst and I don't know certain
things or didn't know certainthings.
Um so I'd like everybody to beeducated before they like press
that button and are ready to go.
SPEAKER_01 (12:18):
So absolutely.
So we take into accountbasically anything you could
have on your car.
And the reality is you don'thave to put it all in at first,
right?
Like if you're really justconcerned about tire pressures,
like plug in the tires thatyou're running, plug in the
size, uh, and kind of plug inlike what's your target hot
pressure, right?
Uh, we can then kind of go fromthere with a lot of stuff,
right?
Like there's simple things youcan recommend that a lot of
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people don't even reach for atthe track.
Like, hey, I'm under steering.
Okay, drop your front tirepressure a little bit, right?
Like increase that contactpatch.
Um, and so there's a lot ofstuff we can do with that.
But outside of tires, right, youknow, uh, we take into account
wheel width, right?
So we start to understand likehow that impacts kind of like
the whole entire tread sectionwidth and like um scrub radius
and all this sorts of stuff thatlike an increased wheel width
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can can introduce, right?
Um, everything about suspension,right?
Are you running single, double,triple adjustable?
Do you have stock suspension,uh, alignment settings?
Uh, this is a nitty-gritty one,but it's also really important,
right?
Like understanding youralignment.
It's a one-time thing to go inand fill up this setup
information, right?
So, like looking it up is themore data we have, the better
the recommendations we can giveyou.
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Uh, so really understanding likewhat's my caster at, right?
What's my front camber, rearcamber, uh, front toe, rear toe,
all of that stuff.
Um, and we support it in anykind of um you know unit of
measurement that you want.
So degrees, millimeters, uhinches, whatever kind of works
there.
Do you have a corner alignment,right?
Uh, do you have a cornerbalance?
Like all of this stuff isrelevant.
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Um, we take into account,obviously, like total weight of
the car and driver.
It's a common way to do it ontrack.
We don't want to assume like uh,you know, you have a 2800-pound
car, but you're a hundred-pounddriver, like that's a different
thing than if you have a300-pound person in the car,
right?
Like it's it's going to affectaffect things.
Uh, so we take that intoaccount.
Sway bars, right?
What do you have for sway bars?
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What's the adjustability on yoursway bars?
Um, aerodynamic uh stuff is inthere, though I do have some
plans for some pretty bigupgrades so we can start to
understand like drag numbers, sowe can start to understand um
kind of like downforce like at100 miles per hour.
Uh, there's a lot of stuff inthere that'll help us make some
better recommendations.
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And right now it's pretty simpleum in terms of arrow.
That's that's something we wantto dig in on, but just uh we
need to get around to it.
And then finally, brakes, right?
Uh, this is a safety thing morethan anything, right?
Uh making sure based on all theother things, if we kind of
notice that you're running OEMpads and have a very serious
setup otherwise, like we want tolet you know, like, hey, maybe
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this isn't the safest thing,right?
Like there could be aconsequence here uh for not
running like a race pad or kindof a hybrid pad, uh, especially
depending on kind of what theyselect uh in terms of their kind
of goal, right?
Are they just out there to havefun and practice, or do they
really want to go crush some laptimes or even put in a specific
lap time target?
Um, so some of these are kind ofmore safety focused while we're
asking, so we can make somerecommendations in that front,
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and then other ones are purelylike, you know, increase your
rear wing, decrease your rearwing, whatever it is, right?
Some more kind of standard carset of device things.
SPEAKER_00 (15:17):
And what's really awesome is you can also just
check the box for stocksuspension, right?
Stock alignment.
So we tried to develop this soyou can show up to the track
with your you know, brand new,you know, name your car.
And literally it's just gonnahelp you with your tire
pressures.
But you don't have you likelydon't have somebody that can go
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to that's gonna look at your carfor your weight and make a
recommendation.
They're just gonna recommendwhat they run.
But then we also wanted to makeit appealing.
So you mentioned, you know, theSCCA NASA.
You know, these are people thathave been running their cars
often for a while.
We wanted to make it valuable tothem as well.
So it's finding that balance ofyeah, you can run a stock car
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and for 10 bucks you can getsome input on your tires and cut
your lap times, or just makeyour car feel better because so
much of it.
Uh, in one of the podcasts I waslistening to, you talked about
you've gone off in turn onetwice at Summit Point.
Right?
So confidence is key.
Like it had to take a while toget your confidence back.
We know on track, confidence isking.
So if we can make your car feelbetter for your driving style,
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stock or full race car, thenwe've won.
SPEAKER_03 (16:25):
So uh I have a couple of questions.
One, uh, if I'm running a stockcar, would it also uh make
alignment recommendations?
Generally, yeah.
Okay.
Yep.
Okay.
And then uh one comment is whenyou go down the arrow rabbit
hole, uh, be ready.
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And uh maybe I think I have mydata from the wind tunnel if it
gets that serious, if you wantto see what comes out or how it
comes out, at least from the A2,because that's the most common
one people use on the eastcoast.
SPEAKER_01 (16:59):
So um at least, you know, if you could send that
over to me, that would beawesome.
I think there's probably like3,000 formats that I'm gonna
have to figure out how to dealwith, but uh having an initial
one to wrap my head around itwould be great.
SPEAKER_03 (17:12):
Yeah, you'll at least see how they do it down
there.
So it'll cover at least the eastcoast.
I don't know what the west coastguys are doing, or anyone in the
central United States who goesto one, uh more people go than
they say.
So uh yeah, and so the otherquestion is um have you guys
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thought about incorporatingkinematics into the like
advanced level, like so themeasurement of the suspension
pieces and all that stuff?
SPEAKER_01 (17:44):
Yes.
Um, but I think I think ourinitial standpoint is we really
want this to be a 90% solutionor an 80% solution.
Um so there's kind of like allof this really advanced stuff
ends up being a lot of lot ofwork for a very small select few
people that would use it.
Right.
And a lot of those people aremore folks that would like maybe
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have a race engineer buddy thatthey'd talk to anyways, uh, and
kind of like have in their intheir Rolodex, right?
Uh so I don't want to try we'renot trying to replace that at
all, right?
We're really trying to be like acheap, reliable solution that
you can have in your pocket forquick and like very useful
advice.
Um the really advanced tuning, Ithink we'll get there.
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I just think it's there's otherthings where we're trying to
tackle it first and make sureit's really useful to the broad
population.
Uh, but yeah, I've I've gonedown that rabbit hole before and
it it would be complicated, butawesome too, is the thing,
right?
SPEAKER_03 (18:45):
So so that's fair because the level of effort on
our part is large enough, right?
So me legitimately, first off,you would have to have the right
kind of instructions to tell mehow to measure correctly, and
then it's only as good as what Iput in, you know.
Absolutely.
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So there's that that bleed areawhere you have to trust the
data.
So it becomes the the moredetailed you get, uh, the harder
it is gonna be to trust thedata.
I I've mismeasured before,right?
They say measure twice, cutonce.
I I've measured once and had tocut two different boards before,
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you know, like mistakes happen.
Um, I just I I feel like it's onour user level for their I why
do I want to be at I I want tosay that there's more people
that would actually do it if itwere easy her to do, right?
So they'll probably put in theeffort to measure it, but they
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don't want to have to then gointo the tools that are out
there now to enter the stuff,right?
If there was an easier tool touse, they might do it more
often.
So that's there's a balancethere.
I see it, but I just Wanted tomake sure.
SPEAKER_01 (20:01):
Uh, but but I couldn't agree more.
Like on the tooling side, and Ithink it's one of the big things
that has drawn me towardsbuilding this out, right?
Like Garmin Catalyst, you calledthat out earlier.
I think that's a great exampleof something you just put in
your car and it just works,right?
Like it just works.
Minimal setup.
Um, there's some other dataloggers out there that like
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they're great, but you reallyhave to learn how to use them.
Garmin Catalyst, it just works.
I think FireLaps, you had themon recently.
I think they're another greatexample of a company that's
really like introducing somemodern tech in here.
So it doesn't feel ascomplicated, even if you're
doing the same thing, right?
So there's a way where we canmake race setup or like car
setup simple, like remove a tonof the complexity and really get
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people towards like, you know,action and like understanding of
how to pull this stuff offrather than you know really
consuming themselves with theoryand um trying to remember that
and memorize it at the track orhaving you know logbooks or
something, which you kind ofpointed out, like they're
they're not context aware andthey're kind of a burden to pull
out and go through and find theright page and like all of that
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kind of stuff.
Um, and when it tells you 20different things you could do to
your car, it's like, well, whichone?
You know?
Yeah.
Um and that's kind ofoverwhelming and not confidence
inspiring either.
SPEAKER_03 (21:14):
Uh in my opinion, at least with my car, uh, don't
even bother Googling it becausethe information on the internet
is useless.
SPEAKER_00 (21:25):
Well, and when you talk about, you know, your your
rear camber and toe, right?
Yeah.
And the peak and what happens,right?
It's gonna be hard for somebodyto to find that.
Um, this is where we come in.
So when when um when we weredoing the market research,
because there's nothing likethis, right?
The closest thing to this issomething you're gonna use if
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you're like an MZT.
And at that point, you're gonnahave multiple engineers taking
the measurements and doing itall, but it still doesn't give
you an actionable item.
And it doesn't tell you why.
So this is where you know, I'llgive Tim all the credit.
He did a phenomenal job of notonly getting the output of
saying, okay, here's what you'regonna do with our data sources,
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but here's why you're doing it.
Right?
And that's I mean, that's notthe secret sauce, but that is
part of the magic, isunderstanding why.
Um now, the why might bedifferent from what somebody
knows, and that's where they runinto a challenge.
So we get that feedback of like,hey, it told me to do something
differently than my friend did.
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Right.
And it's like, okay, well, wemanually looked at your car and
the software was right.
I'm sorry, but your friend gaveyou inaccurate information.
SPEAKER_03 (22:33):
Yeah, so but the IMSA teams are gonna have two
engineers, three engineers,whatever.
They're gonna have whatever toolthey developed while they were
learning to be engineers, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
They all have a laptop, they allhave a spreadsheet, it all has
some sort of calculator in it,right?
They're not hand jamming thisstuff.
At least I hope not.
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But then they see what thisinformation says, and then they
have to recall what they learnedand the experiences they've had
to then make the changes, right?
There's there's no uh like wirescrossing between what's entered
and the recall because you haveit built into the system, right?
There's a there's a level ofhuman error, right?
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His friend could have been likecompletely uh they're not doing
it on purpose, right?
Uh they uh tell you add somecamber when they really should
have said take some camber awayor whatever it is, right?
It's it's one way or the other,it's it's it's a different,
right?
SPEAKER_01 (23:35):
And it's interesting too because they might not know
that you have a double wishbonesuspension in your front, and
like maybe adding camber isn'tnecessary, right?
Like maybe they're patternmatching against their E36 that
has McPherson Struts, and like,yeah, you need all the camber in
the world because the car'sfront suspension geometry sucks,
you know.
But like there's so much of thatwhere it's like you know what
you know, but sometimes thepattern matching is incorrect
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because of that.
SPEAKER_03 (23:56):
Okay, so before we get into the stuff that comes
out, because I have my initialstuff that so I enter my
vehicle, and you guys know onthe back end what's a McPherson,
what's a double wishbone, what'sa beam axle rear, all of that
stuff is in your databasesomewhere.
SPEAKER_01 (24:17):
So we know a lot of it.
Um, I've spent some timecompiling and like filling out
our database with basically whatI could find in my time
constraint um kind of limit ofplugging it all in.
We still have more stuff to plugin, right?
Like I'm not going to sit hereand say it's perfect, but yeah,
we have a really goodunderstanding of a lot of the
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common cars that are out therethat are running, kind of like
McPherson Struts, divorced kindof rear ends, all of that kind
of stuff.
Just so we know, like, hey, whyis your rear end like why are
you running a 15k rear springand a 12k front?
You know, like that's crazy in alot of cars, but then you
realize, oh, your motion ratioin the rear is 0.65, right?
And then it's like, that makessense now, right?
So we we have a lot of that.
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Uh we're still improving.
It's one thing that I'll say toanyone that ends up joining,
especially listening to thispodcast.
If you see anything that's funnyor any funny recommendations,
um, it's probably just somemissing data on our side.
So shoot us an email, uh,support at raceetuppro.com and
like we'll get it taken care ofwithin days.
Like that that's kind of ourturnaround here.
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So uh we'll we'll make it betterwith with everyone and we'll
fill in the gaps kind of as wego.
SPEAKER_03 (25:25):
Yeah, and I think with all startups, you have to
understand that not everything'sgonna be perfect all the time,
and the input you can give themjust betters the uh the product,
right?
And if you make it better, it'smore usable for you, it's more
usable for everyone.
Just pat yourself on the backover that because there's no
need to be like, oh, they theymissed a period or whatever,
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like the the the kg spring rateis reading like a LB spring rate
instead of the other way,whatever, like something got
crossed on the back end,whatever.
SPEAKER_00 (26:01):
Well, so so yesterday at the track, I had to
go up to a guy and I just toldhim, I'm like, we do not have a
C8Z06 um in our database yet.
Like, I would love for you tocome and enter your information.
So he comes walking over withhis notebook and he goes, By the
way, I have an aftermarketsuspension.
And I'm like, Great, no problem.
What do you got?
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He's like, I got quad adjustableshocks.
And so we entered all theinformation the best we could.
It was a little bit differentthan uh um because each setting
had a different number ofclicks.
We didn't account for that, butwe made it work, and so then he
goes, What's it telling me todo?
Here's what the car's doing ontrack.
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Sure enough, he looked at whathis chassis shop expert told
him, and the software nailed it.
And I looked at him and said,The best part, you don't have to
bother somebody on a Sunday,right?
Right, right.
So that it did get that right.
Trust me, we've we found plentyof bugs.
Um, but the more users, the moreaccurate it gets.
That's a great part of AI.
SPEAKER_03 (27:03):
So I have a uh this is another question about the
more users and and how your AIis operating, but uh on the back
end, are you gonna startrelating uh like my setup with a
2007 civic to somebody with a2008 or something similar, like
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generations per car?
Are they all gonna startgrouping data by car, by type,
and things like that?
SPEAKER_01 (27:34):
I think to a degree, right?
Uh it's not anything we'renecessarily going to expose to
the user on like a dynamicbasis, right?
But we use it as part of thetraining set for like the AI
that we have trained.
Um, and the other thing on the AAI that I'll say, it's like we
use it, but we mostly use it forformatting data and like making
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it more personal and like morerelevant to the track that
you're using, and and reallyjust like I don't know, if you
go back 10 years ago, you'd lookat something like this, and all
it would be able to do is likebullet points, like you know,
increase uh front compression tonine, you know, increase front
rebound to nine, and that wouldkind of be it.
It'd be really hard to havepersonality around some of the
suggestions and really gluingtogether some of it.
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So that's where we're using AIfor the most part.
But from a training standpoint,too, there's something
interesting to be said.
Once we start getting a ton ofdata, I think the biggest use
case for it is going to be tirerecommendations, right?
Um, because we can we can lookat all of the different
pressures that people have run.
We ask them to put in theirlaptime targets, their laptime
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actuals, all that kind of stuff.
We can start to see what reallyworks.
Um, because the hardest thingabout tire pressures is you go
on Hoosier's website and youlook up like what should I be
running a 255-4017 forpressures?
And it's like 38.
And it's like, no, no one doesthat, right?
So we can't use anythingpublished online.
We also don't want to get datafrom forms and stuff because you
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have, I don't know, like it'snot reliable by any degree.
So we want to really startsourcing that ourselves, um,
have it backed with some datatoo.
Uh, it'd be great if we couldpartner up with a telemetry
company to really get like someobjective data, right?
Uh, to your point, like gooddata in is good data out.
So, like, if we can improve thedata that's coming in and really
start to make some decisionswith it, uh, that would be
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magical, right?
And it doesn't take that thatmuch.
Um, but that that is definitelya goal of ours.
So I do data every day, and I Iyou can correct me if I'm wrong.
SPEAKER_03 (29:34):
It's your your uh your device, your AI.
But personally, I would preferlike I didn't guess at my shock
settings.
I wanted to know what my shocksettings exactly were for that
event by corner to enter inbecause I didn't want to put in
shaky data because shaky dataproduces inconsistency.
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Shaky results.
Yep.
So if you don't know it, don'tput it in.
If you can go home and do it,add it later.
Like it absolutely from fromwhat I've seen, it's it's very
uh simple to to just operate andwork around, which I appreciate,
right?
I deal with things all day thatare way overly complex, right?
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We don't need it thiscomplicated.
I don't know who designed it tobe this complicated, but this
system is really easy to use.
SPEAKER_01 (30:28):
So absolutely.
And that that's been a big focusfor us, right?
Like we want to take thecomplexity away from you, but
that doesn't mean there isn'tcomplexity like over on my side
of things.
There's a ton of it, but wedon't have to surface that to
people, right?
Like we need simple kind ofquestions around like what is
your car doing, right?
Let's try and figure out whyit's doing that, and let's try
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and figure out somerecommendations.
And then you get to come backand tell us if we were right or
wrong, right?
Are you still under steering,right?
In mid-corner, um mid-cornerstuff that's like, you know,
high speed, like uh high speedsweepers.
And it's like, if you are likemaybe we didn't tell you to do
enough, um, or maybe we justmade a bad recommendation.
And I think for the most part,it comes down to like baseline
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setup, and we're just not movingthe needle enough.
But again, that's data, right?
We can start to really figureout um how many clicks is
appropriate given a baselinesetup and all of that kind of
stuff.
So we'll we'll we'll start doingthat pattern matching once we
get some more data for sure.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (31:27):
I so con when you had Manny on, he talked about a
clean car at the track was onethat was prepped.
So if I could lay out theperfect world for one of our
users, is on Thursday you wouldgo into the software at your
desk and you would entereverything because you have
access to your clicker settingsand you know your cold tire
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pressures and all of that.
If you're trying to do itSaturday morning at the track
while you're getting to thedriver's meeting and out on
track, you're only gonna entersome of the information.
And some in is gonna give yousome out.
Right.
But on Thursday, if you enterthe information, on Friday you
can make those baselineadjustments, and on Saturday
morning, you can go do yourfirst session, and then it takes
two minutes to do a post-sessioninterview.
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And our software isn't gonnagive you the right answer
because there isn't a rightanswer.
What it's gonna do is put you onthe path to get your car to
handle better.
Um, you know, one of the thingsRoss Bentley said on on his
podcast was if your car is notgiving you issues, you're not
pushing hard enough.
That's fair.
So because once it's at a levelwhere it's handling properly,
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your confidence is up, and nowyou're gonna push harder, and
now you're gonna expose the nextweakness, and the software is
going to adapt with you alongthe way.
SPEAKER_03 (32:41):
That's that's why we work on the car, work on
ourselves, because it's sort oflike a one step at a time.
You know, you improve yourselfto the point where the car feels
ruined again, and then you haveto figure out how to make the
car feel better, and then you goa little bit faster, and the car
sucks again, and you just keepyou just keep pressing forward.
SPEAKER_00 (32:58):
So And you said it, you don't like to buy tires.
SPEAKER_03 (33:01):
Oh, I hate buying tires.
SPEAKER_00 (33:02):
So your flicker settings on stickers should be
different than your stickersettings on six or eight heat
cycles, right?
And it sounds like you're likeme.
I mean, I run my Hoosiers, Iflip them on the on the rim.
I'm getting 25, 30, 35 heatcycles out of them, but my
suspension has to adapt becausethe car's not handling the same
thing.
SPEAKER_03 (33:20):
Yeah, that's not happening uh over here.
Uh I have a McPherson Strutfront wheel drive um at 10 heat
cycles, they're screaming formercy and showing cord.
So uh I get like two weekendsout of the fronts, which is
good.
And then I I don't mind that.
If you want to be competitive,you gotta stay on the on the
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Crispus tire.
So if I can get two weekends outof it, I'm good.
And the rears they can stay onfor about 10 years, I'm okay
with that.
But okay, so I did my initialsetup and I did it based off of
my last event at Summit Point.
I do want to make a caveat thatI don't think I personally, so I
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still do a sheet, it's part ofmy check, my checklist for going
out, is I put in what mysuspension setup is.
If this thing tells me to changeit, then I need to update my
sheet.
The temperature changes, I needto update my my cold tire
pressure goal, right?
Or because my hot's gonna staythe same, right?
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So I I don't necessarily think Ican set everything on Thursday
and forget it, but I I dounderstand that I need to be
prepared, right?
And I think that's the biggestthing.
Fill out my normal checklistsheet, go out, come back in.
I can put everything in whileI'm doing that, I can hot wash
myself.
How was the car?
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Where was where was Istruggling?
And then I can put that in thehot wash.
But so uh one thing that I thinkis really good is that you have
at least the setup analysis thatI got done.
Um, you have key takeaways, youhave high priorities, you have
medium priorities, and lowpriorities.
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And so I I think that's goodbecause some of them are easy to
do, some of them aren't thateasy to do, track side.
Um, so it really tells you likea high priority that you can do
pretty quickly, you know, andthere might be one that you
can't do really quickly, so itallows you to decide, you know,
how much effort some of us don'thave time, right?
(35:32):
Can I make a shock adjustmentand a tire pressure change?
Yes, because I have 45 minutes.
Am I doing a spring swap?
No, not in 45 minutes and notgetting it back on the ground
with the correct measurementsthat I feel I need, let alone
what the system would need,right?
So um, yeah, so let's talk aboutthat.
(35:53):
So I have this basic setup init, and it gives me some
pointers so uh that I need tomake adjustments for.
I'll make those adjustments andI go back out.
So walk me through the process.
So I come off the track, I login, what am I doing now?
SPEAKER_01 (36:11):
Yeah, so you come off the track.
So if you have a track weekend,uh you'll start a track day,
you'll select the track, you'llenter in kind of the initial
temperatures for the track,right?
Um, you'll select the setup thatyou're gonna be using.
Some people, I know Jeff, youhave a bunch of different
setups.
Like you have track specificsetups.
So some people do that.
I'm kind of lazier.
I just have a setup for my carand I'll kind of tune at the
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track and just kind of keep ongoing from there, right?
Um so you select that, youselect some goals and stuff to
kind of set up like, hey, areyou doing a race?
Are you doing time trial?
Uh, do you have a specific laptime target?
You're gonna tell us your goalsthat you're going into it, just
so we can kind of like set ourtolerance for some of the
suggestions about like howaggressive we want to be with
them, right?
If you're going to do a race,you really need that feedback
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quick, right?
And sometimes you're gonna wannabe like out on track and be
like, okay, I want one too manyclicks front compression, but
that's fine.
You can go back and you kind oflike might intuitively know to
change that.
Um, from there, you have theability to kind of do post-track
interviews every time you comeoff the track.
So you get to fine-tune all thehandling issues that you have.
Uh, you get to say, all right, Ihave mid-corner under steer, uh,
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you know, maybe I have cornerexit over steer, right?
Whatever kind of the combinationof issues uh you have, you get
to plug those in, right?
You get to tell us where yourtire pressures are at, where are
your um, you know, what are thetemps at, right?
Um, hopefully you're taking kindof like inner, outer uh, and
center temps, right?
So we can start to make somesome kind of recommendations
based off of that.
(37:38):
And then similar to what you gothere, we'll give you a
recommendation, right?
We have a little more data to gooff of, we have a little bit
more information about yourgoals.
Um, and then one thing that Istill need to introduce is
basically selecting uh arecommendation to apply, right?
So you'll select therecommendation, we'll update
your setup, you go ahead andapply the change, and then we
get to track that, right?
(37:58):
So we get to understand whatwe've changed over time.
Uh, you get to come back andagain tell us rinse and repeat,
right?
SPEAKER_00 (38:05):
It will instruct you to not do three changes.
Right.
Right?
It will it will guide you tosay, are you sure you want to do
two?
Right?
It's it really we want you to doone at a time.
Okay, because then you knowwhat's what's happening on your
car.
SPEAKER_03 (38:18):
Yeah, so I'm at my on my setup analysis complete,
and it's telling me to decreasemy uh front compression by three
clicks, and then increase myrear rebound by three clicks.
I think that's plenty becauseI'm working on two ends of the
car, right?
So I can select it, I can clickon it, it says selected.
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If I press, oh, it says applyone change.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (38:44):
Yep.
Awesome.
And so that that might be brokenright now.
Full full uh disclaimer here.
Yeah, but that's like half big.
SPEAKER_03 (38:51):
But that's the intention, is that it will
update my information with thethings done.
Can that's right.
Can can I be bougie and requestthat when I select it, I can
select whether I do the front orthe rear or both.
SPEAKER_01 (39:06):
Yeah, that's a great idea.
Honestly, I think you're thefirst person that provided that
feedback, but that makes a tonof sense.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (39:12):
Because I would literally do one, I would
probably do the front becauseI'm always complaining about the
front end of my car.
And then the rear seems likespot on, right?
Especially if I can get a littlemore grip than the the it takes
it away from the rear, just thatlittle bit extra that I want.
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So I would work there first.
So just yeah.
I mean great feedback layman's.
Yeah, but yeah, I I I gotcha.
SPEAKER_00 (39:41):
I haven't got the and you can do all this on your
phone.
Yeah, that's the best part.
SPEAKER_03 (39:45):
Yeah, so I haven't laptop there.
Um I'm well by the time thisgoes out, I'll be at I will have
done a uh day at Pine View inNew York, and then uh I may Keep
the car together.
I'm waffling.
I may keep the car togetherenough where I can do the last
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event at Summit Point justbecause I want to really dial it
in, whether I make a gear changeor not.
Um, you know, who needs a couplemile an hour on the
straightaway?
I don't know.
But um yeah, so I I actually I'mreally excited about this
product to really come out andstart using it.
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Um one question I have is do youanticipate that AI will run out
of recommendations?
SPEAKER_01 (40:36):
No, and here's why.
Okay.
Um we're relying less and lesson AI for recommendations as
time goes on.
Okay.
Um, you're a data guy, right?
You know good data is good datain, good data out.
With AI, that doesn't exist,right?
There's always hallucinations,context window is getting
better, all of this kind of techstuff, right?
(40:57):
Like it's moving in the rightdirection, but it's still not
consistent.
Um so the reality is we cancodify a lot of this um and then
rely on AI for some of thisstuff that we really don't know
that's a little moreexperimental.
Um but I think the reality iswith user feedback, with stuff
that you're saying, with stuffthat our user base ends up
saying, like there's an infiniteamount of stuff that I think we
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can ultimately accomplish.
And you even called it outbefore, like doing kinematics or
doing like CFD data, right?
There's so much stuff we candive into if people get tired of
the recommendations that arebeing made.
Um but the reality is, and ourhunch is every track is
different, right?
To to Jeff's point, your tiresare different every time, right?
(41:40):
So you're never going to thetrack with the same car, the
same um kind of like externalvariables.
So everything's always changing,right?
Yeah.
Um, and you're always kind ofneeding to tweak your car so it
can help you, you know, kind ofdo the same thing you did last
time or better, right?
Um, so I think we can go a longway with almost what we have now
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and kind of like really refiningwhat we have now uh with kind of
like you know, damper settings,um, sway bar recommendations,
arrow settings, all of that kindof stuff.
Um, because the reality is likeevery time you go out on a
track, it's gonna be a usefultool, right?
Like um, it's always different.
So so it's it's hard to uh yeah,I don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (42:21):
So the pro teams who have more data than anybody
never stop making adjustments,right?
Because it's always different.
The driver's experience level,just if they're at the track for
three days, their experiencelevel is different on the third
day, right?
So the the tweaks are endless.
SPEAKER_03 (42:38):
I I I I don't disagree.
I think I'm on a I don't it'sundetermined what version Toyota
R I'm on right now, but there'sa new one coming out, right?
And and so just that changealone, yeah, especially on my
car, my car is very tire moody,okay.
It's very pressure moody.
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If you miss the pressures, youare hosed in my car, okay.
Just how it is.
Uh some cars don't care as much.
Mine cares more than average, Iwould say, right?
But between that, weather, uhanything, anything, you know,
ambient temperature, how muchdrag is going into the car, you
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know, as your your uh brakeswear, sometimes you they create
drag on the system, and thatstarts to alter the handling of
cars in certain types ofcorners.
There's all sorts of things thatneed to be overcome.
Um my thing was I really um ohman, I'm I got an old man moment
(43:47):
that I I just wanted to to makesure that people realize that
this isn't a short-term thing,you're not gonna learn it all.
Maybe you can, okay.
There's I mean, I was one ofthose kids that memorized the
back of all the baseball cards.
So over time, especially if youstay in the same two tracks like
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I have, and you experience thesame weather in the same months
because the schedule neverchanges.
Some of those things are gonnabe redundant, but there's other
things that happen, right?
I changed brake pads, it alteredhow my car was uh uh coming into
the corner because it didn'twant to release.
It was a very slow pad torelease, okay?
(44:32):
So it it changed things, right?
SPEAKER_00 (44:35):
So uh there's different, there's always gonna
be something, and I think it'simportant to realize that one of
the great things about thissport and many of us that do it
is we are chasing tents.
Like people that are satisfieddon't do this sport, right?
The the the people I've met thathave been doing it for 30 years
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are still chasing how to getfaster.
So, and you know, once your caris kind of plateaued, what do
you do?
You change it, and then yousometimes you can be starting
over.
I've I just switched my car to a200 treadware tire for grid
life, and it is a completelydifferent setup.
Like I'm doing test and tunedays because my camber's wrong,
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my toe's pretty much the same,but the camber, the tire
pressures, the tire temps.
So I'm you know, type and I'mtyping it into the software, and
it's telling me what to do, andI don't even have to think about
it.
SPEAKER_03 (45:31):
So uh here was another thing that uh uh another
recommendation, mostly because Idon't remember because uh it's
been a week since I put my datain.
Um but when we're so this is acaution to the users, and then
maybe uh something for you guysto think about is uh like a
definition of what mid-cornerpushes or what mid-corner
(45:54):
overseer means.
Um and then you as a driver,when you're making this input,
you really have to read throughthose or really understand what
the your expectations are so youcan provide the right feedback,
right?
Because it could be you'reseeing a mid-corner push.
(46:16):
You think it's a mid-cornerpush, but you really need to
evaluate maybe your brake issticking, or maybe it's the
transition of gas to break orbreak to gas that's causing it,
or something, right?
So you have to you have to themore educated you are as the
user, the better information youcan provide, and then then you
(46:37):
will again get betterinformation out.
So I think that's totally that'sa just a recommendation for you
guys to maybe help some people,especially the newer they are
with the system.
Um, yep, you know, those guyswith stock cars, they don't
always know what they're doing.
I definitely don't know.
(46:58):
Well, yeah, it's okay, but thenwhere is it on track, right?
And how correct, right?
SPEAKER_01 (47:03):
The whole yeah.
So it's it's a big thing, right?
Like being able to understand ifit's a car setup issue or if
it's a driver issue, or maybeit's something mechanical that's
influencing it.
Like, we can probably ask somequestions that can start to
drive us closer to understandingthat.
And uh it's really important,right?
Like, are you experiencing snapover steer because of a setup
issue, or were you like sawingat the wheel and your car just
(47:24):
went wild because you wereasking it for too much?
That's important stuff becauseat some point it's actually not
a setup issue, and we probablyshould recommend some other
stuff to folks, right?
Um, so that's something that'son the roadmap.
Okay.
Uh just trying to nail down likewhat that looks like and how do
we again not overcomplicatethat, right?
(47:45):
I think the whole ethos of thisthing is like keep it simple,
right?
Like keep the user input simple,but extract a lot of information
uh based out of those inputs.
SPEAKER_03 (47:53):
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, I know the guys that Irace with, they I have the
catalyst in the car right now,and they want um a better view
of me driving.
There is no view of me driving,right?
It's right out the windshield,it's a catalyst.
Okay.
Um, because they want to makesure when I complain about my
car, it's not my fault.
(48:14):
Because I mean we're the humanelement, right?
So I and it's all perception ofme, right?
It's my perception of the car.
I've had somebody else drive mycar, and he's like, I wouldn't
change a thing.
And I was like, I just want alittle bit more rotation, you
(48:34):
know, mid-corner, like or youknow, corner entry, whatever.
This is what I want.
And he's like, No, no, don't dothat.
You know, uh, it's perfect theway it is.
And and I've made one minoradjustment.
My car's a moody with the rearride height.
So I changed the rear rideheight, and the last time I went
(48:54):
out, I couldn't get enough cleantrack to see how fast it would
go.
So um, but the fact I still havea complaint and then I'm still
getting feedback, I got feedbackon my setup.
I'm I want to go try it, right?
Like if it'll make me go faster,let's go.
Let's go do it.
You know, so awesome.
SPEAKER_00 (49:17):
So our goal for someone like you is can we help
you find tense?
Can we can we help you gainconfidence in your car?
Um, once you get that turn-inthat you want, what's next,
right?
Because once you have theturn-in, probably something's
gonna happen mid-corner orcorner exit that you're gonna
want because now you're carryingmore speed in.
Correct.
And you know, this is the greatpart of the sport, and this is
(49:38):
where you know our softwarecomes in to help.
SPEAKER_03 (49:40):
Yeah, and then then once you get that type of
corner, right?
Because you you ask about slowspeed, high speed, mid speed,
you define that stuff.
I remember that.
So you're gonna cause once youmake that tweak, maybe you
caused an issue somewhere else.
Okay, now we need to figure thatout.
SPEAKER_01 (49:59):
So uh and then what it becomes, it becomes on the
driver to figure out almost whatto prioritize, right?
Right.
Like where where do I need toget the time?
And and that's something wecould probably dig into a little
bit uh as well, right?
Understanding the tracks, thecorners, right?
Iterating that I don't know,maybe kind of like getting on
gas early is should be an easypriority and it's a safe way to
(50:20):
kind of drive and it's alsoquick, but it's not the only way
to get around the track.
So some of it's gonna be up todriver preference and kind of
reckoning, reckoning withyourself, like where are the
places I'm okay with the car notfeeling great if it can feel
great in these other kind ofspots for sure.
SPEAKER_03 (50:35):
Absolutely.
And it may change by track,right?
I don't need a car that's highspeed stable as high speed
stable when there's no highspeed corners on the track,
right?
So um, yeah, so you can you mayneed to change it up, but so
okay, what by the time this goesout, it'll be a couple more
weeks from recording.
(50:56):
So it'll be three or four weeksfrom the time you guys went from
beta into uh live.
Um let's talk about just sopeople realize there's people
who are using it, and let's talkabout the success they've been
having recently.
SPEAKER_00 (51:15):
Yeah, so we've seen it on everything from race cars
to uh bone stock, just adjustingair pressures.
Uh one of our uh early wins wasa gentleman that lives at NJMP.
Um so if you're wondering howmuch track time he does, he
lives at NJMP.
(51:36):
His race car was broken, he tookhis streetcar out that he's done
lots of laps in, and he couldn'tbelieve it.
He actually beat his PB by overtwo seconds.
And this is somebody that knowswhat they're doing, checks their
pressures, they know their car,they know the track.
And the, I mean, we just keephearing that over and over
(51:56):
again.
Um, you know, uh time trialpeople uh setting PBs in time
trials, one one up in Canada ispart of the beta.
He was ecstatic.
Um, the best part for us iseverybody comes to us with
doubt.
They're like, I didn't think itwould work.
And it's like, well, thank youfor trying it anyway.
Because there isn't anythinglike it.
(52:17):
Right.
Um, this past weekend, I wasdoing free analysis for people.
And you know, two of them signedup.
They did one session, theirfirst session with changes,
beating PPs.
Right?
And that's their first session.
Now, when you're cutting asecond off, you can't expect to
cut another second off.
Like that was the big win.
But that's why it's find thosetents because that's what's
(52:41):
going to happen.
Um, but our whole goal was tobuild confidence in your car
because there's a ton of dataloggers out there.
There's fire laps now for driverdevelopment.
There's a lot of people that youcan get to sit right seat, or
you can watch videos, takeclasses, read books on the
driving.
Um, but we joke because we knowit's often said it's it's you
(53:03):
know, it's not the car, it'syou.
So we joke and say it's not you,it's the car.
Right.
Um, but it's really both, right?
Because we do need driverdevelopment, and that should be
coming from data.
We also need it as real-timeinput from an experienced person
sitting next to us if you have aright seat.
But the piece that's beenmissing, and it I will I will
(53:25):
tell you, it is so hard forpeople to wrap their head around
this when they take it, becausehuman nature is we want to
understand what's in front ofus.
And when we tell them we'regonna help you with your setup,
they're like, Well, do you putsensors in my car?
Nope.
It's interview-based.
Okay, do you plug into my OBDtoo?
Nope.
You're literally gonna tell uswhat your car's doing because
you already have somethingplugged into your OBD too.
(53:45):
Right.
Right now, let us help you withthe car.
SPEAKER_03 (53:50):
Correct.
And everybody's different, likeyou said earlier.
Your setup, car set up differentthan mine.
Even if we had the same setup,you could have a complaint about
entry, I could have a complaintabout exit.
Like how we drive, it's it's allabout how we drive.
So we have to always work onourselves as drivers, but then
independently we need to figureout the vehicles, and we have to
(54:11):
provide that input.
And I'm happy that your productis taking personal input and
then providing a personalizedsolution.
I think that's important.
It's not just uh a page of 15things to do, right?
SPEAKER_00 (54:24):
Like so and the best part is you don't have to tell
your friends you're using thesoftware, they can just think
you got better, right?
You don't have to give us anycredit if you don't want because
there's plenty of people thatjust want their friends to think
they're an amazing driver.
But I have a buddy that can hopin anything and drive it and
drive it fast.
I am a sensitive butterfly.
(54:45):
If my toe is off, I have toadjust it.
SPEAKER_03 (54:48):
Yeah.
Right?
I agree.
SPEAKER_00 (54:50):
We're here for you.
Awesome.
Either way.
SPEAKER_03 (54:54):
So, guys, is there anything else you guys want to
talk about for uh race setuppro?
Did we miss anything?
SPEAKER_00 (55:02):
I my one ask is for people to log in and just try it
out.
You know, for the amount ofmoney we spend on our cars, you
can literally try our softwarefor 10 bucks.
It is the cheapest tool you willhave in your trailer, but it's
going to be foreign.
This is different.
There's nothing, there'sliterally the closest thing to
(55:23):
this on the market is aridiculously expensive software
package that you need multipleengineers to measure camber arms
and angles and all stuff that Ican't do.
Right.
But for 10 bucks, you can gofaster in the weekend.
Like, how do you not try it?
SPEAKER_03 (55:40):
Yeah, absolutely.
Uh I mean, you got me as assomebody paying right now.
Just I I want to know.
I want to know how it works.
I want to know how it can helpme.
Like you said, I I need to findthose tenths.
Um my consistency according tothe stupid Garmin is like
ridiculous.
But it's yeah, that I just needthat much more speed.
(56:04):
And if I had the consistency,then it then the fight's on,
right?
So awesome.
SPEAKER_00 (56:10):
Well, we look forward to hearing from you
after Pine View.
SPEAKER_03 (56:13):
Oh, yeah, we'll see.
I'm I'm getting some coaching.
You know, I need I need to fixthis idiot driver that drives my
perfectly good car.
SPEAKER_00 (56:21):
So you use the software too, and just give us
credit for all of it.
SPEAKER_03 (56:25):
Well, we'll see.
SPEAKER_00 (56:28):
Congrats on getting the coach.
That never ends.
SPEAKER_03 (56:30):
I appreciate it.
Um, yeah, where can everybodyfind you?
Instagram.
Let's reiterate all that,please.
SPEAKER_00 (56:39):
Yep.
So uh we are on Facebook, but wedo focus on Instagram.
It's raceetupro on both andraceetuppro.com.
Uh if you're anywhere in thenortheast, pretty much every
weekend you can find one of uson track.
So we're we hit it hard.
SPEAKER_03 (56:55):
Awesome, guys.
I appreciate you coming on.
SPEAKER_00 (56:58):
Thank you for having us.
SPEAKER_02 (56:59):
Yeah, thanks for having us.
That was a ton of fun.
Until next time, keep working onyourself, keep working on the
car, and let's get faster.
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