December 21, 2022 • 67 mins
What happens when a woman raised in Islam boldly turns to Jesus — and all of hell comes after her?
In this episode of The Blind Exorcist, I speak with Cynthia, a brilliant ex-Muslim woman from Africa, who shares her powerful testimony of escaping demonic torment and finding lasting freedom in Jesus Christ. Her story is raw, intense, and a powerful witness to the authority of Christ over darkness.
As Cynthia left Islam and embraced Christianity, she faced overwhelming spiritual attacks. But through multiple deliverance sessions, we witnessed demons cast out in Jesus’ name, generational curses broken, and healing take root in her life. Now, she helps others walk in freedom through her testimony.
📌 What you’ll discover in this episode:
✅ How leaving Islam led to intense spiritual warfare and demonic oppression
✅ The reality of demons attacking converts to Christianity
✅ Why proper training in deliverance ministry matters
✅ Cynthia’s deliverance journey and the role of generational curses
✅ The authority of Jesus Christ over all demonic powers
✅ How one woman’s healing is now helping others seek freedom in Christ
This episode is a bold reminder that spiritual warfare is real — but the power of Jesus is greater. If you’re battling fear, confusion, or torment, Cynthia’s story will show you what true deliverance looks like.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Episode 5 of the Blind Exorcist podcast.
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My guest today we're going tohide her identity.
(02:31):
She is an ex-Muslim.
She's had death threats fromfamily members, her name is
Cynthia and she is from Africa.
She is a very intelligent woman, highly educated.
I won't get into her degrees,but she was raised Muslim and
(02:51):
outside of America, and so shehas a powerful testimony.
And today she's coming on toshare how, after she became a
Christian, immediately demonsbegan to attack, manifest.
And I want to point out she's aborn-again Christian with
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demons, and I also want to pointout she's a highly educated,
sophisticated woman.
Okay, so the thought that youmay not have demons because of
whatever you do in life, or thatyou know you're above this.
You're not.
Most people that I know havedemons, they're just afraid to
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admit it.
So, if that's, you, listen inand listen closely to what
Cynthia shares with us about howshe left the Muslim religion,
how she's serving Christ, andher and I have been working
together for quite a fewsessions now and it's been an
honor to serve her for the gloryof Jesus Christ and to see
(03:58):
these demons have to bow theirknee to the authority of Jesus
Christ and release this daughterof God.
If you're not casting outdemons, there's nothing more
exciting and amazing to witnessthe authority of Christ cast out
demons.
It is awesome.
I encourage you to considergetting into this.
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But get educated.
Just don't be some YouTubeuniversity faller.
Watch a video here, a videothere, a book here, and just
have this big concoction.
Get educated, go to Dr Larson,the Bob Larson University.
Get educated through curriculum.
Get educated through a wellthought out educational process
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that trains you.
Cynthia is going through theInternational School of Exorcism
right now, and when she's donewith that, she plans on helping
as many people as she can.
Cynthia has asked me to maskher voice so that she is not
recognizable.
So that she is not recognizable, she's had death threats from
(05:07):
family members and a lot ofproblems from her original
country.
So I've done that.
So she is going to sound maskedin her voice.
So if you've ever watched anewscaster interviewing someone
that wanted their identity hid,their voice is kind of pitch,
shift down a little bit.
It's going to sound similar tothat, but it's totally
(05:28):
intelligible and I wouldencourage you to not be put off
by it, because the content thatshe's going to share with you is
extremely valuable.
There are so many nuggets oflearning that she's going to
share with you that you're notgoing to get anywhere else.
So stick with it.
(05:49):
Cynthia, thank you so much forcoming on and taking the time to
share your story with us.
Welcome to the Blind Exorcist.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Thank you so much, justin.
Thank you so much, justin.
I'm so happy that, coming onyour show and sharing Jesus'
love and my testimony, it's suchan honor.
Thank you so much for invitingme.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
You're very welcome.
It's a powerful testimony andthat's why I wanted to have you
come on.
And, Cynthia, you were raisedin a country that is Muslim, so
I mean this is something thatyou were born and raised in and
this wasn't some North Americanborn child into a Muslim family.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
I mean, this is the real deal, correct, Born in a
family, where you know, we were100% sure that Islam is the way
and other people, otherreligions, have to turn to Islam
because that is the way to God.
So this is how convinced I wasthat Islam was the way and there
(07:04):
is no way of looking forsomething else.
So I was raised up by that ideathat Islam and Allah and the
others you know they have toturn Muslims.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
So was your family and yourself very strict
practicing Muslims.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
When I was a child, they were just Muslims by name.
They would fast Ramadan becausefor Muslims, you know, ramadan,
fasting Ramadan, is somethingvery big, and for praying five
times a day you can, wheneveryour God will direct you and
(07:44):
give you the desire.
So only my grandparentspracticed Islam 100%, but for my
mom and dad and siblings, yeah,we were just Muslims by name.
It's later my mom startedhaving dreams about the Day of
Judgment and I was, I think atthat time, 10 years, and she
(08:08):
would say, you know, oh guys, Ihad a dream, it's the day of
judgment and there wasearthquakes and a voice is
telling us you have to pray.
And she was so scared way, andshe was so scared and she made
(08:30):
us scared.
So I grew up being scared ofthat day where you're not going
to meet the expectation of God.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I think that's common in the Muslim religion the idea
that you have to work forsalvation.
You have to work, and it'sfrightening to Muslims in a
sense that if I don't work hardenough, if I'm not good enough,
I'm not going to make it.
Is that true?
Because I've heard that fromother Muslim people.
(08:55):
They explain to me that I havea friend in Indonesia and one in
Singapore.
They're both Muslim and they'revery fearful that they're not
going to make it.
They have to do better, theymust do better and so forth.
Is this kind of the feel of thereligion and God?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Absolutely.
This is true.
I mean, we were afraid.
It's like you have to pray fivetimes a day and you cannot miss
.
If you miss a day of prayer,you have to try to catch up and
if you miss a day during Ramadanyou have to catch up after.
(09:36):
Probably, if you eat on purpose, you have to probably fast two
months for one day that you ateon purpose during Ramadan.
It was a very, very it is a veryrigid religion and you have no
guarantee of salvation.
It is when you stand in frontof God.
At that time you know whetheryou're going to hell or to
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heaven.
No guarantee, just do give yourbest shot.
And then you, you don't know.
You just live in fear andtrying to do this and that.
And you know, if you don't havejesus, you cannot do good
things.
So doing good things was astruggle.
Yes, we do good things becausewe have the holy spirit.
(10:21):
Imagine you're trying to dogood things and you don't have
the Holy Spirit.
You will miss, you will forget,you will, and you know the
criteria of what is good andwhat is bad is as well different
.
You can.
You know, lying a small lie,that is a white lie, it's good,
it's not that bad and you knoweverything was.
(10:41):
It's real confusion and it'shardship and it's fear.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yeah, that's what I've heard.
An interesting thing that Ilearned from you was that
there's not a whole lot of asupernatural aspect to the
Muslim religion.
In other words, you wereexplaining to me that, like when
you wanted to know the future,like as a Christian, I would say
, lord, show me what to do,guide me, direct me and lead me,
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and so we rely on Christ forguidance, you know, and decision
making in the future and thingsalong these lines, and you were
explaining that and correct meif I'm wrong.
In the Muslim religion, this iskind of vacant, and in order to
find out the future, a verycommon practice is going to
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psychics.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, in my country that is the case.
Muslims they don't talk aboutyou know, god says this or he
directed me.
There isn't that relationshipand communication between the
person and god.
It's like it's one man show.
It's god who is in control andyou are like some kind of slave,
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doesn't talk to you, just he'stelling you he's, he is angry,
he is an God.
And when somebody has some kindof spiritual problem, like when
I, I think when I was like 25,my life at that point was okay
and then I got caught by somekind of misfortune, like things
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were going wrong.
They are not as smooth as theyused to be, things getting very
difficult.
At that time people advised meyou know there is something
wrong, cynthia, you have to goand probably see a psychic to
see probably somebody is puttingcurses on you.
So that is how I started mylife of bondage, because I felt
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there was somebody puttingcurses on me.
So I went to psychics to seewhat is my spiritual problem.
So, as Muslim, I wasn't able toresort to God to solve those
problems.
I needed a third person.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
You know that's a fascinating concept and you know
, as you're sharing this, I'mthinking to myself this really
isn't much different than inAmerica.
You know, many people go topsychics for guidance and
direction and they rely onthings like crystals or burning
sage, or putting salt in thefour corners of their house and
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all of these practices to try tofigure out their lives, when in
reality they could just simplybecome a Christian, go to Christ
, ask for direction.
So it's an interesting parallel.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Absolutely, and you know I had to after I became a
Christian.
I had to get delivered, becauseevery time I go to a psychic I
go home with a demon.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Before we get into the possession and what we've
been working through, which isawesome, to see the hand of
Jesus Christ free you, and whatan amazing experience for you as
an ex-Muslim, to be taught yourwhole life that Jesus is not
God, jesus is not God, and thento see these demons forced to
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their knees through that nameand to release you and come out.
Wow, what is this like for?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
you.
Oh, it was a wonderfulexperience because I was looking
for a solution to get rid ofthose curses.
I felt people were puttingcurses on me enemies, neighbors,
family members and I couldn'tfind an answer.
Inside Things will go a littlebit better, but then it becomes
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probably five times worse.
I as well tried the Quran.
They will ask me you know, whydon't you read this chapter
three times, or read that verse20 times?
Probably you will have yourprayer answered.
And while I was looking for ananswer, I was putting myself
(15:09):
into bondages more and more andgetting more oppression.
It's only when I accepted Jesusthat those oppressions left.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Let's talk about that .
How did you become a Christian?
Because it was bad enough afteryou became one and we'll get
into this, but I mean you weregetting death threats from your
family.
People turned their back on you.
I mean this has not been aneasy path for you.
But let's start with.
How did you become a Christian?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah, so I was as I told you, justin, I was looking
for.
I was going from one psychic toanother trying to get rid of
those curses, trying to get ridof those demons.
And at that time I came to theStates to finish my university
and I stayed.
(16:04):
I had a roommate and she wasChristian and I was telling her
about all my problems, thatthings are not easy.
Even simple things becamereally a challenge for me, and
that roommate actually was aChristian and she was into
witchcraft before Christ, andshe showed me in the Bible how
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witchcraft is a real sin.
And she said you know, I canpray with you.
And at that time already, Iheard about Jesus setting people
free, but because of what Iknew, that I'm not allowed to
become a Christian.
I'm a Muslim and this is out ofquestion.
I always thought, you know,christians have Jesus.
(16:53):
They are lucky, but for Muslims, I think we have to probably
make more efforts to to reachGod.
This is the idea I had.
So when I started reading theBible with her and she invited
me to her church and for thefirst time I heard that Jesus
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died for my sins.
That was the point.
It was like the epiphany, wherethat is the information I
didn't have before.
I used to, you know, to listento programs on the radio about
Christ and we had, you know, Ifollowed Christian channels and
(17:38):
but that was the informationthat I didn't have.
While I was following all thoseprograms and I got interested in
Jesus like a good actor, a verywell-known.
But when I knew that he diedfor my sins, that was like, yeah
(17:58):
, that is what I did.
And once I accepted him, Ididn't have that fear of going
to hell anymore Because with allthose oppression I had that
fear from childhood, from my mom, that probably we wouldn't make
it when the day of judgmentcomes.
So that fear lifted and it wasa real joy.
(18:20):
So I was looking for somebodyto set me free from witchcraft
and somebody to tell me you knowwhat?
You're going to heaven, and Ifound that person.
So it was an amazing, anamazing experience.
I feel like crying now.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Well, it's tears of because, wow, being under that
type of tyrant religion andburden and fear, you know that
you're not going to make it.
You know, and it is a veryworks-based religion, and not
that the people are bad, notthat the people are evil, people
(19:08):
are evil, they have.
You know, it's like.
Diane Barry is a woman Iinterviewed who's also an
ex-Muslim and she said whatbetter way to attack the very
point of salvation but the cross?
You know so in the Muslimreligion, it's Christ was not
God and then also Jesus Christwas not crucified.
God would never do that to oneof his own.
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It was Judas.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
And so the devil attacks the very point of
salvation.
I think some people thinkMuslims are bad people because
of the terrorist attacks andthings like that, and those are
the extremists.
But a person like yourself,you're very kind, tender
(19:53):
spirited woman.
I, the Muslim friends that Iknow are, are the same, you know
so you.
So these aren't bad people.
It's just that they're lost andblinded from truth and praise
God Jesus.
A lot of harm to her, and whenshe accepted Jesus.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
She had that joy and that freedom from all the
misfortune.
She had a hard life too.
She was abused by her father.
She got married and her husbandwas an alcoholic and you know,
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she ended up really her life wasnot very easy as well.
I mean, we had differentchallenges.
But you know, she experiencedthe pain, bad things before
Christ and the good things afterChrist.
And it's like I didn't hesitate.
I didn't even know at thatpoint that Islam was a man-made
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religion.
It's after that I startedreading books about, you know,
islam that is.
It's not, it's not from God,it's not.
It is something that wasmanufactured.
And, like you said, justin,muslims are not bad.
They are good people.
Actually, they are very nice.
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They try their best and I wastrying my best.
I was helping, I was givingmoney to the poor.
It because I wanted to go toheaven, because I wanted this
oppression to cease, I wanted tohave a normal life.
Why things are difficult.
At one point I mean later Jesusshowed me the people who put
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curses on me.
They were jealous because I wassuccessful, and some of them
were friends that backstabbed me.
They were jealous, some of themwere enemies.
But I am thankful that thishappened, because if I had an
easy life, probably I wouldn'thave met Jesus.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
So let's talk about your childhood.
Let's talk about your childhoodand we're going to get into how
I began to work with you and DrLarson and you had booked a
session with Dr Larson and itwas a month out and you then
booked a session with me becauseyou said to me in your email I
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don't want to wait that long, Iwant to start now.
And I think this is missioncritical for anybody going
through exorcism and deliveranceand inner healing that you have
to be desperate and you have tohave a certain level of
desperation to get through it tothe end.
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Because some people comethinking that this is a quick
fix, that this is going to fixall their problems in life, that
they're not going to have todeal with any of their trauma,
that their whole life is justgoing to instantly, like I would
take out a magic wand and touchthem and every problem they
have goes away and theirfinances are cured and all of
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this.
And this has not been an easyprocess for you, has it.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
No, it was not an easy process for one reason, and
probably you can relate to that, justin when I accepted Jesus
here in the States, I gotthrough the first deliverance
and the people who prayed for methey said you know, now you're
good to go, you're okay, alleverything left.
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If you feel oppressed orsomething, it is Satan coming
and telling you a lie.
But unfortunately, what theytold me was a lie that they
believed and I believed, becausethe first deliverance was great
, probably few demons left andthey had that period of peace.
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But after oppression came backand I had even Christians
telling me probably you're notsaved.
I mean they even questioned mysalvation because of the
oppressions.
Like how come I'm not saved?
I accepted Jesus, I gave my lifeto him, so what should I do
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more?
I mean I know that I am saved.
Oh no, no, if you were savedyou wouldn't be so much tired.
I mean my face it would be likesomebody who was going to die
at one point.
I mean it was difficult.
So I stayed with that firstdeliverance and then years later
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I met somebody.
Let me interrupt.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
You Hold that thought .
I have to step in here andpoint this out.
This is the problem withoutgoing through formal training,
you know where people will tellyou you're not saved, not
understanding that people canhave multiple kingdoms built up,
demonic kingdoms in their mind,for example, a kingdom of
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sexual abuse, a kingdom ofwitchcraft, a kingdom of
religion, and within thosekingdoms there can be a lot of
spirits and ancestral curses.
So the people telling you thatyou're not saved because you
still have demons, they wereuneducated and I don't say that
in a judgmental way.
(25:36):
It's fact.
And this is the problem withpeople.
When they go out on YouTube andthey learn from this and learn
from that and learn from thisand read this book and that book
, it's like there's no focus,and so I would encourage anyone
listening that, if you'reconsidering getting into this
again, go through Bob LarsonUniversity.
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This is very academic, it'sextremely educational, it's well
thought out and it's somethingthat you can walk away with.
After you finish saying I gotthis, I understand.
You know, you're taught how todeal with people, how to
compassionately work with people, how to.
There's so much involved.
(26:18):
I mean, it's like 40 courses ifyou take the International
School of Exorcism and theAdvanced Academy of Deliverance.
Now he's got another course outon demonology and apologetics.
So this is the problem with alot of people is that they are
uneducated.
They mean well, but they hurtpeople, and so you've
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experienced hurt and you'veshared this from working with
different deliverance teams, andmy encouragement to you was
it's because they were noteducated.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Yeah, I went to a few after I met a few and you know
they were successful, but it wasnot the whole work.
There were still things insideof me.
For example, my health was notthat great for me, even though I
was very educated.
I couldn't find a job or I willlose jobs and I will save money
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, and then something happens andthe money is gone.
The relationship, a lot ofbackstabbing, and you know my
relationship don't last.
Yeah, there was a few problemshere and there and at once I
went through inner healing.
They were good, few exorcismsand probably they were
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successful, but not not 100.
And every single time they willtell you you know you're good
to go.
I mean, if something else, it'ssatan telling you a lie that
you're not, but you know whenyou're free, justin, and you
experience that you know it.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Amen, amen, and and, and, and, and.
Just to let the listeners know,to let them know your
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possession, whatever people wantto call it demonization, I,
this goes back, you know it all.
I tell people.
It all goes back to childhood.
A lot of it, and also ancestralcurses and then things that we
do in life.
Let's talk about your childhoodfor a little bit.
Your father, as you explained,was a thief.
(28:35):
Right, yeah, share with us,because that was a huge
spiritual open door and I'llexplain to the user I'm sorry
that's my software engineercoming out the users, the end
users, but I will explain to thelisteners.
You know, this is just onething that we dealt with.
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But why don't you share thepractical things of your father
and the thief and the dynamicsof that through your family?
And when you're done, I'llshare spiritually how we address
that.
And this is just one issue outof many.
So go ahead, share with usabout your father and the
stealing.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
The problem with my father is that we were not or we
didn't need to steal, but he, Ithink he had some kind of.
Later I realized that probablyhe has some kind of mental
condition where he has to grabthings from other people, like
very small things, like a cup orwhatever.
He has that habit of takingwhat is not his.
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And as a child he would give methings and I knew they were
stolen and they would say, no, Idon't want that, and he would
get mad at me.
He's like, oh, you don't wantfree things.
And even my family, they knewabout that, but they were always
in denial.
So he was not a professionalthief, but he would take things.
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If he finds something that helikes or he thinks, yeah, we can
use that, he will just grab it.
He was a businessman, so I'msure that probably he did some
not very good deals and probablythere was some things that were
not very legal.
So I had to encounter thatlater when I was in a session
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with you and I was telling youabout the failure in career and
finances, and even though Idealt with this before with mom,
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you know I confessed it Irenounced it, but.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
I'm sure the Holy Spirit pointed this to you and a
curse in her finances.
And so you know, for many yearsshe has struggled.
Cynthia has struggled in herfinances and as I began to
question, as I had her begin toreally renounce this in the
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father and then through theancestry, as soon as I began to
work back through the ancestry,instantly we had demons
manifesting.
This is where a lot of peoplemiss it.
They don't go back through theancestry to the root of the
curse, and demons are to beinterrogated.
Jesus Christ spoke with demons.
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He didn't just walk up and saygo sometimes, but oftentimes he
did speak with them.
We interrogate demons.
They know when the curse startsand they're compelled by the
Holy Spirit to speak truth.
This is where people miss it.
They think, well, the devil'snever going to tell you truth.
When you hold them up to thejudgment of Christ and tell them
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that they will speak the truth,they do.
And what we found out in yourancestry is I don't remember the
exact generation, but let's say50, 60 generations ago there
was a family member who murdereda man, poisoned him to get a
ring, and the ring was to bringfinancial prosperity and health
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and health.
And this is what's interesting,the man was dying on his
deathbed.
Now, this is underinterrogation of the demons that
they're under the judgment ofChrist and are being forced
through the authority of Christto speak the truth.
So this there was an old mandying, had the ring.
Now, that ring was to bringfinancial blessing and health to
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a person and your family memberasked to buy that ring.
The man wouldn't sell it, soyour family member gave him
poison and murdered him and tookthe ring.
Now, when he did that, what hedid is he opened your bloodline
up, first of all to a spirit ofdeath, secondly to financial
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bondage and thirdly to infirmity, sickness and disease.
This is what was in the ring.
Finances and health were notthere.
What was there was mammon torestrict finances, infirmity and
, obviously, jezebel, because ofthe witchcraft behind this ring
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.
So this opened a lot of demoniccurses in the bloodline and
current day today, in 2022, youwere suffering the consequences
of your ancestors curse and oncewe once we renounced this curse
, we broke this curse andexpelled the associated demons.
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With the curse, you had freedom.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Yes, and actually at that time, a door of a new job
opened.
It's like, yeah, something thatcame up after Pastor Bob
Larson's session and after yoursession.
It was like two doors thatopened and it is for me that is
a proof when I get deliverancereal one, I can see the results.
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You know right away.
Yes, jesus will show you.
You know, this is the cause andthis is the result.
There is a breakthrough.
There is breakthrough.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Another common breakthrough that you've
experienced is sleeping better.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
That's like the first thing that I when I work with
clients they tell me is they'resleeping much better.
Yeah, I would wake up at 3amevery night 3am 4am that time,
but after them on 3 am 4 am thattime, but after the two
sessions with you and withPastor Bob, I go through the
whole night no problem, praiseGod, and I experienced that
myself personally.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
I would be up all night long racing thoughts,
thinking they're my thoughts,full of anxiety and just
tormented.
And after a certain point in myexorcism that all stopped.
And today, when I lay my headdown on the pillow, I'm out.
I just sleep peacefully thewhole night.
And that's what a lot ofclients tell me and it's a
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wonderful benefit of exorcism.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Yeah, and it is priceless to have your sleep at
night exorcism.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Yeah, and it is priceless to have your sleep at
night.
Yes, because the devil attacksus in the mind and so if he can
keep us up all night, gettingthree, four hours of sleep, it
just allows him to stay tormentand so forth.
One interesting thing indeliverance or exorcism ministry
is that a lot of people takepeople through renouncement
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prayers, which is a good thing,and a lot of times people assume
that the demons leave becauseof that act.
But they haven't.
They need to be expelled.
Your thoughts?
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yeah, I went through, you know, renouncing probably I
would say 20 times, renouncingthis and renouncing that and
renouncing the things I did andrenouncing what my parents and
my generation.
There is a little bit of reliefin renouncing, but the demons
are still there.
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They are not expelled, they arestill there and probably hiding
somewhere.
So the time I got realdeliverance is with exorcism.
I mean people ordering thedemons to leave, like with you
and Pastor Bob, andinterrogating them.
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Like when the police catches athief, they interrogate the
thief.
It's not like you're going tojail and that's it.
You know there is interrogation.
So many exorcists, many peoplewho did deliverance.
They didn't let the demonsmanifest and they didn't let
them talk.
And they, you know, I felt likeyou need to interrogate the
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demons manifest and they didn'tlet them talk.
And they, you know it's.
I felt like you need tointerrogate the demons.
You need to make sure that theyare gone.
They are not going into hidingand giving three or four years
of misery to the person becausethey can hide.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Yes, and they will also act like they've left and
they haven't.
You know, if you've not gottento the root curse, if you've not
broken that curse and you know,I've experienced this myself
personally through the years ofChristianity.
Until I worked with an exorcist, the deliverance ministries
really didn't do much for me.
You'd have people come up andsay, the Lord's showing me that
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you have a spirit of fear, andthen they'd all start screaming
and yelling come out, come out,come out.
You know, absolutely had noproof whatsoever that I had fear
.
They had no manifestation, theyhad no interrogation, so
nothing left.
And so I was tormented foryears.
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And so I just I think it's agreat concept to point out,
because what happens is peoplego for deliverance, they're told
you're free, and then you know,a month later, they're still
there, they're still tormented,they're still bothered by the
same things.
And then they think, well,they're confused.
And they think, well, why, whyeven?
Why even try?
You know?
Because if they're confused andthey think, well, why even try?
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Because if they're still hereand I went for deliverance and
that was supposed to free me andI'm not free, then I guess I'm
always going to have thesethings, or maybe this is a big
hoax, this whole deliverancething.
You need exorcism, they needinterrogated.
Like you said, when you catch athief you interrogate it.
How did you get here, when didyou get here, why are you here,
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what's your assignment and soforth, and then get rid of them
that you've experienced.
You know people in your countrywere casting witchcraft, curses
on you, death curses, and at acertain point in time we had to
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deal with that and I believethat was in our last session.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
You want to talk to that a little bit.
After I became a Christian, ofcourse my family was not very
happy and they tried to bring meback to Islam.
But I had to come back to theStates because the persecution
was really very, very.
I mean I feared they wouldn'tkill me, but you know they they
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might.
I mean I was.
The threat was very, very close.
I didn't want to think twice soI came back to the States.
But I was very happy that Iwent back home because I told
them all my family members, Itold them about Christ, how
Jesus is the only way to God,and I shared with them my
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testimony.
Some of them believed me.
Some of them they said you know, you're a traitor, you are a
cather now You're not good andyou know the name calling and
the spitting.
And they went through all thatgarbage that you know.
And it was.
It was demonic.
It was not my family.
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I can.
I can hear the demons talkingthrough them.
So when I came back to thestates of course they were they
thought you know, she didn'tescape because we have to reach
her somehow.
So they were actually sendingme curses of death and it was
not fun because at that point Iwas still not free and I didn't
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know how to protect myself.
So it was very, very difficult.
I had a lot of health issues.
I had an accident in the car, Ihad actually a few accidents
and I knew somebody wanted tokill me.
I mean somebody astral projecthimself in my room Very, very
satanic things and very badcircumstances is whether to kill
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me, I'm not sure, or whether tobring me back to Africa and
bring me back to Islam.
So they were so angry at methat I became a Christian and
they didn't manage to bring meto Islam.
So they were trying to get evenwith me by curses and
witchcraft.
And again, justin, I didn'tknow how to protect myself.
I was afraid.
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I think they moved to a very,very high level of witchcraft.
It's something that I didn'texperience before.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yes, and the reason they were able to get this
against you is because, like yousaid, you still had open doors.
The level of demonization, thelevel of demon possession that
you had is severe.
We're still working throughthat and you are getting closer
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to complete freedom.
But that's what people have tounderstand when you have all
these open doors.
This is why you work with anexorcist, because they're
trained to understand what thesedoors are so that they can help
you shut them.
Spiritual doors expel the demonsso that those doors cannot be
leveraged through witchcraft.
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So it is possible forwitchcraft to land on you if you
don't know how to pray or whatto do, which you do now, and
praise God for that.
So we did deal with thesewitches.
You know there were soul partsof people in your mind that were
practicing witchcraft and theyhad to go.
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You know I addressed them, Ispoke to them.
I said that they had no moreright to be in your mind.
We shut those doors, they leftand we expelled the associated
demons so that this can getinvolved.
Where witches can?
They're so familiar with this?
I mean, it's nothing forwitches to say, yeah, I'm going
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to astral project and get intosomeone's mind they have an open
door here, they have an opendoor there, but Christians who
aren't in this ministry and hearthings like this, they become
terrified.
But it is a reality and it wasyour reality, correct?
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Yes, absolutely yeah.
You're right, justin, becauseagain people around me they will
tell me oh, when I say you knowthere are, I feel like some
curses coming from Africa.
Oh no, you are protected by theblood of Jesus and you don't
know your identity in Christ andyou think the cross is not
enough.
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I'm not saying the blood ofJesus is not enough.
I'm saying there is anotherproblem.
There is witchcraft and theycan't feed it and probably if I
wasn't a Christian I would havedied by those.
I mean, somebody else who wasnot Christian would have died by
this kind of witchcraft, but Ihave Jesus, so he protected my
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life.
But still, there is still thatyou said that open door that
makes you feel those attacks.
And again, I really am prayingfor Christians not to make other
Christians feel bad.
I mean, if you tell somebodyyou don't know the value of the
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blood of Jesus, that is very, Imean, it hurts.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
It's accusatory.
It's accusatory and it'sjudgmental.
And again, this goes back topeople who aren't trained.
When you're not trained, theyhave a very simplistic mindset
about the devil.
They have a simplistic mindsetabout spiritual warfare and this
is war.
And when you really get intothis, and I mean, and your
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blinders are removed from youreyes and you see how the devil
operates, this is war and thereare techniques and strategies
that we have to use asChristians, and you know.
So the problem is, the majorityof people are never trained on
spiritual warfare.
They have no concept of it, andit's a shame because they're
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underprepared.
And you know, I guess my pointis is that when you're in war,
you have to understand the enemy, and you understand the enemy
from Christian men and women whohave went before you, like Dr
Larson.
This is why the Lord led me tohim, because the Lord knew that
my demon possession was severe.
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But I value Dr Larson becausehe's done over 50,000 exorcisms
in over 100 countries.
That amount of experiencenobody has.
And so when you have that typeof experience, you have earned
the right to be credible andyou've earned the right to
instruct what you've learned.
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It may not be the only way, butit works.
Get educated so you can learnhow to fight.
Absolutely yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
And my first session with Pastor Bob is like the
demon was speaking through me.
I mean I went throughdeliverance and they spoke, but
you know, it was not as strongas when it was with Pastor Bob
and with you.
I mean it's like I am in a carwith Jesus in the back and the
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demon is speaking.
I mean, if somebody else wouldhave told me the story, I would
say no, I am the person whowatched.
It's like watching a movie andthose demons especially when you
talk to two members of myfamily who put curses on me they
were crying and saying theyhave lots of problems I mean, if
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I watched that I would say youknow, the person is
manufacturing all that, butactually they were sole part of
people and demons speaking andthey have to go Amen.
After that session I felt somuch peace.
I felt so much peace.
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It's like the curse is brokenand two sole parts of somebody
left me.
Praise God.
Thank you Jesus.
Exactly Thank you Jesus.
And you know, I had always thatimpression that in my soul there
are things.
It's not.
It's not me when I get angry,it's not me when I get really
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very tired and I cannot finishcleaning my job, my house.
It's not me, it's somethingelse making me tired.
I always felt Jesus has morefor me.
It's not it.
And, like you said, at onepoint I got tired.
I said you know what, I'm notgoing to go through the
denunciation again.
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I'm not going to say Jesus,forgive me this and forgive me
that again, because I'm justgoing to live.
Probably this is the way thingswill be until the Holy Spirit
reveals to me that I have to goto Pastor Bob Larson.
And then I saw your interviewwith him and they said you know
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what?
I want those demons to leave assoon as possible.
I'm going for the best exorcistso that I don't have to suffer
anymore.
I mean, I have been a Christianfor 20 years now and the joy
was very short, the prosperitywas very short.
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I mean it was like a period oftime and then the oppression
comes back.
It's not.
Jesus died for us not to haveanother miserable life.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
It's so sad because so many Christians live
demonized, with demons in theirmind and just think that this is
normal, like this is the wayit's always going to be.
They don't understand that.
You know, like the number onecharacteristic of demons is they
compel.
They love to compel, tocompulsively, have people do
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something, and so I work with alot of clients that, and even
myself, where pornography was anissue and it was a compulsion,
and for years, people in thechurch, both men and women, just
have been taught that that'syour flesh and get your flesh
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under control, and never, everbeing told that it's a demon
under control and never, everbeing told that it's a demon.
And so you know, there's allkinds of compulsions that you
know and Christians believe that, for example, waking up in the
middle of the night with panicattacks to where they can't
breathe and they got to go tothe ER room that that's just
something they have to live with.
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That's part of life.
My job's stressful, my financesare stressful.
Your finances could be cursedfrom demons, your health could
be cursed, and so you know toyour point, cynthia, christians
have been taught to live withdemons and that's a shame
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because you don't have to.
I lived with them for 40 years.
I know what it's like to nothave them now.
And one thing you said, cynthia, that was so well put, you said
to me I just want my mind to bemy own.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
That's very well put.
People's minds are not theirown.
Constant thoughts, constanttorment, constant depression,
constant anxiety, mood swingscan't sleep at night.
I mean, on and on the tormentgoes.
And in the Christian churchesthey've been taught that this is
just read your Bible more, praymore fast, and honestly, for
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myself personally, that wouldonly work for maybe a day or two
, you know.
Get a little bit of relief andthen boom right back at it.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
Yes, just one more thing, justin, and just to
people who are listening, and Ijust wanted to add one thing is
that after I accepted Jesus, Istarted serving the Lord right
away.
So I was serving Jesus, I waspraying for people, I was
telling people about the gospel.
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I was very active back home andin the States, very active in
the church, doing Sunday schoolfor children, even praying
deliverance for other people.
So while I was having demons, Iwas praying for other people
who have demons on the street.
We were exchanging demons.
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So you gave them Jezebel and youpicked up Leviathan you know
and you know, I was to be honestwith you.
In my church I was consideredone of the best.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Well, I will say this , that Dr Larson does say that
you don't have to be 100% cleanto pray exorcism with people,
Otherwise no one would ever getanything done.
But you do have to be to astate where you know I'm good
and that's where I got, and whatyou're explaining is you
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weren't at that state yet whereyou're like I'm good, I, that's
where I got and you're.
What you're explaining is youweren't at that state yet where
you're like I'm good, I have alittle bit more stuff to deal
with, but I can help people.
I just know it in my knower andyou weren't there.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
So yeah, it's like when you're, when you are poor
and you have a little bit ofmoney and you give that little
money to somebody who doesn'thave any.
So I saw people who are moreoppressed than me and I felt
compassion.
It's like you know, at least Ican pray for them and I'm sure
that Jesus honored that and heled me to the right people and
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he saw the desire of my heart tobe free like 100%.
I want to reach my potentialwith Jesus and other people,
those who am believers, and I'mgoing to tell about my family.
They will tell me okay, whereis your Jesus?
You were more successful beforeChrist than after, so Satan can
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use that against us as well.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
Amen.
I know that in the interviewwith Christy Myers, who was an
ex-astral projector, the demonwould attack her and say where's
your Jesus?
If he's so powerful, why is heallowing me to do this to you?
And it's because she wasn'ttrained, she didn't understand
war, she didn't know how tofight.
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She does now, absolutely, butthat's you're right.
This is a technique that thedevil will use on certain people
.
Hey, you had it better before.
So where's your Jesus?
Why are you suffering so much?
And it's because they need anexorcism and sometimes it can
take time.
Speaker 2 (54:26):
Yeah, it is.
It takes time, but you knowit's better to wait while you
are in the right direction thanwaiting and you are nowhere and
you're not, you're going nowhere.
So it's there is a good waitingand a bad waiting.
So, for example, with me, whileI am waiting for the next
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session with you, it's a goodwaiting because I know I'm going
to get freer, I know thatthings will get better, I know
that my ministry will be moreefficient, my life, I will have
more peace, I will have betterhealth to serve Jesus.
You know, when your health isnot good, it's very difficult to
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serve Jesus.
You have pain here, you havepain there, you cannot, you
don't, you have low energy.
And in my case, I got reallyvery deep into witchcraft.
To witchcraft, I mean from whenI was 25 till 35, probably for
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10 years.
I would consult psychics,probably every week and they
will tell me burn this candle,like you said, put salt in the
corner of your house and do thisand all those rituals.
You know everything we do inthe spiritual realm has an
impact.
Speaker 1 (55:47):
Amen, and it actually draws demons.
I was talking with a lady theother day.
She said you know, I don't know, I know there's, I got demons,
like this woman's not even aChristian.
And she's talking to me and shesays I know I got demons.
So I got a hold of a psychicand they said to burn, sage, to
put salt in all four corners ofthe home, set crystals on your
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counters.
I said whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
I said you're drawing thedemons into your home.
She says I am.
I said yes, don't do that.
I said listen, here's mywebsite, read it over and then
we'll regroup and talk.
But like people don't know andthat's what's sad that these
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types of practices, even theyoga, the mindfulness meditation
, all of these things that arekind of hip and cool right now
in our culture, draw demons toyou in torment.
Culture draw demons to you intorment.
You know you're being freed upin a powerful way God is.
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You're an inspiration to me, tobe honest with you, because
your level of determination ishard to find in people.
You know, because a lot ofpeople, like I said, they want
to work with me and pull out amagic wand and cha-ching and
they're just fixed.
And you know this is a process,it's a journey, and you know
getting rid of the demons afterthat, then it's a matter of you
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know working through strongholdslike thought processes that are
left behind, and workingthrough changing those thought
processes.
So someone may have a spirit ofdeath, suicide and so their
whole life they keep tellingthemselves I'm nothing, I'm
worthless, and they've said thisto where it's in their mind.
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So then you expel death andsuicide and they still have
these thoughts coming I'mworthless.
That's because these are theleft-behind patterns that you
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have to work through to get outof by you know getting into the
Word and replacing that with youknow Scriptures that speak of
life and joy and peace and quotethem and eventually the
thoughts will go away andinstead your mind will become
restored and healed through theHoly Spirit.
And you know coding scripturesand also counseling.
Sometimes people needcounseling.
You know to.
You know to work through thetrauma.
Speaker 2 (58:16):
Absolutely.
Yeah, I went to.
I went for inner healing forall the hurt caused by my family
After I accepted Jesus.
I had as well to go Few thingsin my childhood, kind of an
absent father, my mom was alittle bit too critical.
So, yeah, and the Holy Spiritwill tell us what is a demon,
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what should be counseled, whatis your part?
What is Jesus should becounseled?
What is your part?
What is jesus part?
So it's, it's a direction.
It's like you're driving andjesus is telling you okay, turn
right, turn left, a little bithere, a little bit there, and it
is much easier than having thedemons inside of you, because
having the demons inside of you,it's not you, it is horrible.
Speaker 1 (59:08):
It is horrible and it's torment.
And the last thing I wanted tomention on this and then we can
wrap up is the exhaustion.
Exhaustion is a form of demonictorment and most people don't
realize that there's adifference between physical and
mental exhaustion and demonicexhaustion.
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And it's a fine line and mostpeople can't tell it.
But, like you're saying, whenyou're cleaning your house and
all of a sudden you becomeexhausted, you can't go on.
I can remember working and inthe middle of the day I would
have to go lay down on the couchand I could barely move because
of the exhaustion.
It was demons.
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It wasn't now, you know,psychologists would say you have
anxiety or whatever, but it wasdemons Because when I was
exercised, all of that stopped.
The exhaustion is gone, thatphysical fatigue that demons can
induce, and it's nasty, man,that physical exhaustion can be
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awful.
So you mentioned that and Ijust wanted to bring that up to
people so that they couldunderstand that demonic
exhaustion can be a real thingand also interference with your
sleep.
You know a lot of people can'tgo to sleep at night.
That's a form of torment.
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I mean, that's what they dowith prisoners of war.
They don't let them go to sleep.
You know, and this is whatdemons do with people they keep
them up and keep them up.
Why do they do it?
It's a big game.
They enjoy torment.
If you're exhausted, you'regoing to use poor judgment,
you're going to open more doorsfor more demons to come in, and
so forth.
So it's just as you put it verywell, cynthia.
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It's horrible.
I'd like to thank you forcoming on the podcast, cynthia,
for sharing your life with allof us.
It's such a powerful testimonyto the mercy and grace of Jesus
Christ.
Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Thank you, Jesus.
Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
And at the end of each episode, I always ask my
guests to speak a word ofencouragement to people who are
listening.
And I'm going to ask you tospeak encouragement on two
things.
First, I'd like you to speakencouragement to anyone that's
Muslim, that's listening, toencourage them about Jesus
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Christ.
And secondly, I'd like you toencourage people who may have
demons and know they have demonsand they're afraid to go for an
exorcism, or maybe they're onthe fence about it.
I don't know if I have them,maybe I do.
I'd like you to speakencouragement to people who are
fearful of exorcism or hesitantto go for an exorcism.
(01:01:57):
So, if you would, could youshare encouragement to people,
first of all, who are Muslim andthen, secondly, people who have
demons and need help?
Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Yeah, the few words I want to tell Muslims is Christ
is not a political messiah.
I mean, satan portrayed Jesusas post-colonialism and the
United States and Canada, as youknow, wants to get rid of Islam
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, and they want, you know.
They portray him as somebodywho has political agenda.
Jesus doesn't have a politicalagenda.
Jesus came for everyone, forAfrica, for America, for Asia.
He came for human, for Africa,for America, for Asia.
He came for human beings and hedied on the cross so that our
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sins get forgiven.
It's just a lie from Satan thatJesus belongs to, the is an
American and he wants just todestroy Islam and other
religions.
This is not the truth.
Jesus came to die for everybodyand he is the only way to God.
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We cannot go to heaven withoutJesus, without the blood of
Jesus.
And if there was any other way,I was telling my family, if I
had only 5% chance of going toheaven through Islam, I would
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have stayed in Islam.
But the problem there is zerochance of going to heaven
through religion, whether Islamor any other kind of religion.
It's only Jesus.
And when this roommate told meabout Jesus and how he saved her
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, it wasn't very easy for me tochange my mind and all what I
learned, that Islam is the bestway and the best religion and
the last religion.
I prayed.
God show me the truth and heshowed me.
So my advice since you'repraying and since you believe in
God, why don't you ask him?
Ask him God, I want to go toheaven, show me the way and he
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will show you, because God isfaithful and he loves everybody.
This is for Muslims, forChristians who accepted Jesus.
It doesn't matter whether theycome from Islam or they have
Christian.
I know many Christian friends.
Their parents are Christiansand they went through
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deliverance, but they stillneeded deliverance.
I think 90%, 95% of people havedemons, because sin brings
demons.
Any kind of sin can bringsomething demonic.
So it's good to check with anexorcist just to see if your
health is not going well.
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If you don't have peace, thereare symptoms for a spiritual
root.
You will know that.
I think I can do better.
I think Jesus has something.
Probably I have a stronghold.
Probably I have a demon.
Probably I need counseling forsomething that happened in my
childhood.
And unfortunately, I thinkChristians are not very
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effective in the world becausehalf of us are suffering of
demonic oppression.
So we want to live full lifebecause Jesus came to give us
the best life.
That's true, we will haveproblems and he never said you
know you won't have problems,but we want to be 100% free to
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face those problems that Satanthrows at us.
So if Satan throws problems atus and we are half demons, we
want many, many Christians.
Actually, they die youngbecause they didn't go through
deliverance and they didn't knowthat they had demons and they
had just, and it's a waste.
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My guest today we're going tohide her identity.
(02:31):
She is an ex-Muslim.
She's had death threats fromfamily members, her name is
Cynthia and she is from Africa.
She is a very intelligent woman, highly educated.
I won't get into her degrees,but she was raised Muslim and
(02:51):
outside of America, and so shehas a powerful testimony.
And today she's coming on toshare how, after she became a
Christian, immediately demonsbegan to attack, manifest.
And I want to point out she's aborn-again Christian with
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demons, and I also want to pointout she's a highly educated,
sophisticated woman.
Okay, so the thought that youmay not have demons because of
whatever you do in life, or thatyou know you're above this.
You're not.
Most people that I know havedemons, they're just afraid to
(03:35):
admit it.
So, if that's, you, listen inand listen closely to what
Cynthia shares with us about howshe left the Muslim religion,
how she's serving Christ, andher and I have been working
together for quite a fewsessions now and it's been an
honor to serve her for the gloryof Jesus Christ and to see
(03:58):
these demons have to bow theirknee to the authority of Jesus
Christ and release this daughterof God.
If you're not casting outdemons, there's nothing more
exciting and amazing to witnessthe authority of Christ cast out
demons.
It is awesome.
I encourage you to considergetting into this.
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But get educated.
Just don't be some YouTubeuniversity faller.
Watch a video here, a videothere, a book here, and just
have this big concoction.
Get educated, go to Dr Larson,the Bob Larson University.
Get educated through curriculum.
Get educated through a wellthought out educational process
(04:44):
that trains you.
Cynthia is going through theInternational School of Exorcism
right now, and when she's donewith that, she plans on helping
as many people as she can.
Cynthia has asked me to maskher voice so that she is not
recognizable.
So that she is not recognizable, she's had death threats from
(05:07):
family members and a lot ofproblems from her original
country.
So I've done that.
So she is going to sound maskedin her voice.
So if you've ever watched anewscaster interviewing someone
that wanted their identity hid,their voice is kind of pitch,
shift down a little bit.
It's going to sound similar tothat, but it's totally
(05:28):
intelligible and I wouldencourage you to not be put off
by it, because the content thatshe's going to share with you is
extremely valuable.
There are so many nuggets oflearning that she's going to
share with you that you're notgoing to get anywhere else.
So stick with it.
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Cynthia, thank you so much forcoming on and taking the time to
share your story with us.
Welcome to the Blind Exorcist.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Thank you so much, justin.
Thank you so much, justin.
I'm so happy that, coming onyour show and sharing Jesus'
love and my testimony, it's suchan honor.
Thank you so much for invitingme.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
You're very welcome.
It's a powerful testimony andthat's why I wanted to have you
come on.
And, Cynthia, you were raisedin a country that is Muslim, so
I mean this is something thatyou were born and raised in and
this wasn't some North Americanborn child into a Muslim family.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
I mean, this is the real deal, correct, Born in a
family, where you know, we were100% sure that Islam is the way
and other people, otherreligions, have to turn to Islam
because that is the way to God.
So this is how convinced I wasthat Islam was the way and there
(07:04):
is no way of looking forsomething else.
So I was raised up by that ideathat Islam and Allah and the
others you know they have toturn Muslims.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
So was your family and yourself very strict
practicing Muslims.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
When I was a child, they were just Muslims by name.
They would fast Ramadan becausefor Muslims, you know, ramadan,
fasting Ramadan, is somethingvery big, and for praying five
times a day you can, wheneveryour God will direct you and
(07:44):
give you the desire.
So only my grandparentspracticed Islam 100%, but for my
mom and dad and siblings, yeah,we were just Muslims by name.
It's later my mom startedhaving dreams about the Day of
Judgment and I was, I think atthat time, 10 years, and she
(08:08):
would say, you know, oh guys, Ihad a dream, it's the day of
judgment and there wasearthquakes and a voice is
telling us you have to pray.
And she was so scared way, andshe was so scared and she made
(08:30):
us scared.
So I grew up being scared ofthat day where you're not going
to meet the expectation of God.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I think that's common in the Muslim religion the idea
that you have to work forsalvation.
You have to work, and it'sfrightening to Muslims in a
sense that if I don't work hardenough, if I'm not good enough,
I'm not going to make it.
Is that true?
Because I've heard that fromother Muslim people.
(08:55):
They explain to me that I havea friend in Indonesia and one in
Singapore.
They're both Muslim and they'revery fearful that they're not
going to make it.
They have to do better, theymust do better and so forth.
Is this kind of the feel of thereligion and God?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Absolutely.
This is true.
I mean, we were afraid.
It's like you have to pray fivetimes a day and you cannot miss
.
If you miss a day of prayer,you have to try to catch up and
if you miss a day during Ramadanyou have to catch up after.
(09:36):
Probably, if you eat on purpose, you have to probably fast two
months for one day that you ateon purpose during Ramadan.
It was a very, very it is a veryrigid religion and you have no
guarantee of salvation.
It is when you stand in frontof God.
At that time you know whetheryou're going to hell or to
(09:59):
heaven.
No guarantee, just do give yourbest shot.
And then you, you don't know.
You just live in fear andtrying to do this and that.
And you know, if you don't havejesus, you cannot do good
things.
So doing good things was astruggle.
Yes, we do good things becausewe have the holy spirit.
(10:21):
Imagine you're trying to dogood things and you don't have
the Holy Spirit.
You will miss, you will forget,you will, and you know the
criteria of what is good andwhat is bad is as well different
.
You can.
You know, lying a small lie,that is a white lie, it's good,
it's not that bad and you knoweverything was.
(10:41):
It's real confusion and it'shardship and it's fear.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yeah, that's what I've heard.
An interesting thing that Ilearned from you was that
there's not a whole lot of asupernatural aspect to the
Muslim religion.
In other words, you wereexplaining to me that, like when
you wanted to know the future,like as a Christian, I would say
, lord, show me what to do,guide me, direct me and lead me,
(11:09):
and so we rely on Christ forguidance, you know, and decision
making in the future and thingsalong these lines, and you were
explaining that and correct meif I'm wrong.
In the Muslim religion, this iskind of vacant, and in order to
find out the future, a verycommon practice is going to
(11:31):
psychics.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, in my country that is the case.
Muslims they don't talk aboutyou know, god says this or he
directed me.
There isn't that relationshipand communication between the
person and god.
It's like it's one man show.
It's god who is in control andyou are like some kind of slave,
(11:55):
doesn't talk to you, just he'stelling you he's, he is angry,
he is an God.
And when somebody has some kindof spiritual problem, like when
I, I think when I was like 25,my life at that point was okay
and then I got caught by somekind of misfortune, like things
(12:17):
were going wrong.
They are not as smooth as theyused to be, things getting very
difficult.
At that time people advised meyou know there is something
wrong, cynthia, you have to goand probably see a psychic to
see probably somebody is puttingcurses on you.
So that is how I started mylife of bondage, because I felt
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there was somebody puttingcurses on me.
So I went to psychics to seewhat is my spiritual problem.
So, as Muslim, I wasn't able toresort to God to solve those
problems.
I needed a third person.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
You know that's a fascinating concept and you know
, as you're sharing this, I'mthinking to myself this really
isn't much different than inAmerica.
You know, many people go topsychics for guidance and
direction and they rely onthings like crystals or burning
sage, or putting salt in thefour corners of their house and
(13:23):
all of these practices to try tofigure out their lives, when in
reality they could just simplybecome a Christian, go to Christ
, ask for direction.
So it's an interesting parallel.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Absolutely, and you know I had to after I became a
Christian.
I had to get delivered, becauseevery time I go to a psychic I
go home with a demon.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Before we get into the possession and what we've
been working through, which isawesome, to see the hand of
Jesus Christ free you, and whatan amazing experience for you as
an ex-Muslim, to be taught yourwhole life that Jesus is not
God, jesus is not God, and thento see these demons forced to
(14:17):
their knees through that nameand to release you and come out.
Wow, what is this like for?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
you.
Oh, it was a wonderfulexperience because I was looking
for a solution to get rid ofthose curses.
I felt people were puttingcurses on me enemies, neighbors,
family members and I couldn'tfind an answer.
Inside Things will go a littlebit better, but then it becomes
(14:49):
probably five times worse.
I as well tried the Quran.
They will ask me you know, whydon't you read this chapter
three times, or read that verse20 times?
Probably you will have yourprayer answered.
And while I was looking for ananswer, I was putting myself
(15:09):
into bondages more and more andgetting more oppression.
It's only when I accepted Jesusthat those oppressions left.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Let's talk about that .
How did you become a Christian?
Because it was bad enough afteryou became one and we'll get
into this, but I mean you weregetting death threats from your
family.
People turned their back on you.
I mean this has not been aneasy path for you.
But let's start with.
How did you become a Christian?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah, so I was as I told you, justin, I was looking
for.
I was going from one psychic toanother trying to get rid of
those curses, trying to get ridof those demons.
And at that time I came to theStates to finish my university
and I stayed.
(16:04):
I had a roommate and she wasChristian and I was telling her
about all my problems, thatthings are not easy.
Even simple things becamereally a challenge for me, and
that roommate actually was aChristian and she was into
witchcraft before Christ, andshe showed me in the Bible how
(16:30):
witchcraft is a real sin.
And she said you know, I canpray with you.
And at that time already, Iheard about Jesus setting people
free, but because of what Iknew, that I'm not allowed to
become a Christian.
I'm a Muslim and this is out ofquestion.
I always thought, you know,christians have Jesus.
(16:53):
They are lucky, but for Muslims, I think we have to probably
make more efforts to to reachGod.
This is the idea I had.
So when I started reading theBible with her and she invited
me to her church and for thefirst time I heard that Jesus
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died for my sins.
That was the point.
It was like the epiphany, wherethat is the information I
didn't have before.
I used to, you know, to listento programs on the radio about
Christ and we had, you know, Ifollowed Christian channels and
(17:38):
but that was the informationthat I didn't have.
While I was following all thoseprograms and I got interested in
Jesus like a good actor, a verywell-known.
But when I knew that he diedfor my sins, that was like, yeah
(17:58):
, that is what I did.
And once I accepted him, Ididn't have that fear of going
to hell anymore Because with allthose oppression I had that
fear from childhood, from my mom, that probably we wouldn't make
it when the day of judgmentcomes.
So that fear lifted and it wasa real joy.
(18:20):
So I was looking for somebodyto set me free from witchcraft
and somebody to tell me you knowwhat?
You're going to heaven, and Ifound that person.
So it was an amazing, anamazing experience.
I feel like crying now.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Well, it's tears of because, wow, being under that
type of tyrant religion andburden and fear, you know that
you're not going to make it.
You know, and it is a veryworks-based religion, and not
that the people are bad, notthat the people are evil, people
(19:08):
are evil, they have.
You know, it's like.
Diane Barry is a woman Iinterviewed who's also an
ex-Muslim and she said whatbetter way to attack the very
point of salvation but the cross?
You know so in the Muslimreligion, it's Christ was not
God and then also Jesus Christwas not crucified.
God would never do that to oneof his own.
(19:29):
It was Judas.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
And so the devil attacks the very point of
salvation.
I think some people thinkMuslims are bad people because
of the terrorist attacks andthings like that, and those are
the extremists.
But a person like yourself,you're very kind, tender
(19:53):
spirited woman.
I, the Muslim friends that Iknow are, are the same, you know
so you.
So these aren't bad people.
It's just that they're lost andblinded from truth and praise
God Jesus.
A lot of harm to her, and whenshe accepted Jesus.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
She had that joy and that freedom from all the
misfortune.
She had a hard life too.
She was abused by her father.
She got married and her husbandwas an alcoholic and you know,
(20:41):
she ended up really her life wasnot very easy as well.
I mean, we had differentchallenges.
But you know, she experiencedthe pain, bad things before
Christ and the good things afterChrist.
And it's like I didn't hesitate.
I didn't even know at thatpoint that Islam was a man-made
(21:04):
religion.
It's after that I startedreading books about, you know,
islam that is.
It's not, it's not from God,it's not.
It is something that wasmanufactured.
And, like you said, justin,muslims are not bad.
They are good people.
Actually, they are very nice.
(21:24):
They try their best and I wastrying my best.
I was helping, I was givingmoney to the poor.
It because I wanted to go toheaven, because I wanted this
oppression to cease, I wanted tohave a normal life.
Why things are difficult.
At one point I mean later Jesusshowed me the people who put
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curses on me.
They were jealous because I wassuccessful, and some of them
were friends that backstabbed me.
They were jealous, some of themwere enemies.
But I am thankful that thishappened, because if I had an
easy life, probably I wouldn'thave met Jesus.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
So let's talk about your childhood.
Let's talk about your childhoodand we're going to get into how
I began to work with you and DrLarson and you had booked a
session with Dr Larson and itwas a month out and you then
booked a session with me becauseyou said to me in your email I
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don't want to wait that long, Iwant to start now.
And I think this is missioncritical for anybody going
through exorcism and deliveranceand inner healing that you have
to be desperate and you have tohave a certain level of
desperation to get through it tothe end.
(22:53):
Because some people comethinking that this is a quick
fix, that this is going to fixall their problems in life, that
they're not going to have todeal with any of their trauma,
that their whole life is justgoing to instantly, like I would
take out a magic wand and touchthem and every problem they
have goes away and theirfinances are cured and all of
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this.
And this has not been an easyprocess for you, has it.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
No, it was not an easy process for one reason, and
probably you can relate to that, justin when I accepted Jesus
here in the States, I gotthrough the first deliverance
and the people who prayed for methey said you know, now you're
good to go, you're okay, alleverything left.
(23:43):
If you feel oppressed orsomething, it is Satan coming
and telling you a lie.
But unfortunately, what theytold me was a lie that they
believed and I believed, becausethe first deliverance was great
, probably few demons left andthey had that period of peace.
(24:08):
But after oppression came backand I had even Christians
telling me probably you're notsaved.
I mean they even questioned mysalvation because of the
oppressions.
Like how come I'm not saved?
I accepted Jesus, I gave my lifeto him, so what should I do
(24:29):
more?
I mean I know that I am saved.
Oh no, no, if you were savedyou wouldn't be so much tired.
I mean my face it would be likesomebody who was going to die
at one point.
I mean it was difficult.
So I stayed with that firstdeliverance and then years later
(24:52):
I met somebody.
Let me interrupt.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
You Hold that thought .
I have to step in here andpoint this out.
This is the problem withoutgoing through formal training,
you know where people will tellyou you're not saved, not
understanding that people canhave multiple kingdoms built up,
demonic kingdoms in their mind,for example, a kingdom of
(25:16):
sexual abuse, a kingdom ofwitchcraft, a kingdom of
religion, and within thosekingdoms there can be a lot of
spirits and ancestral curses.
So the people telling you thatyou're not saved because you
still have demons, they wereuneducated and I don't say that
in a judgmental way.
(25:36):
It's fact.
And this is the problem withpeople.
When they go out on YouTube andthey learn from this and learn
from that and learn from thisand read this book and that book
, it's like there's no focus,and so I would encourage anyone
listening that, if you'reconsidering getting into this
again, go through Bob LarsonUniversity.
(25:58):
This is very academic, it'sextremely educational, it's well
thought out and it's somethingthat you can walk away with.
After you finish saying I gotthis, I understand.
You know, you're taught how todeal with people, how to
compassionately work with people, how to.
There's so much involved.
(26:18):
I mean, it's like 40 courses ifyou take the International
School of Exorcism and theAdvanced Academy of Deliverance.
Now he's got another course outon demonology and apologetics.
So this is the problem with alot of people is that they are
uneducated.
They mean well, but they hurtpeople, and so you've
(26:40):
experienced hurt and you'veshared this from working with
different deliverance teams, andmy encouragement to you was
it's because they were noteducated.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Yeah, I went to a few after I met a few and you know
they were successful, but it wasnot the whole work.
There were still things insideof me.
For example, my health was notthat great for me, even though I
was very educated.
I couldn't find a job or I willlose jobs and I will save money
(27:13):
, and then something happens andthe money is gone.
The relationship, a lot ofbackstabbing, and you know my
relationship don't last.
Yeah, there was a few problemshere and there and at once I
went through inner healing.
They were good, few exorcismsand probably they were
(27:34):
successful, but not not 100.
And every single time they willtell you you know you're good
to go.
I mean, if something else, it'ssatan telling you a lie that
you're not, but you know whenyou're free, justin, and you
experience that you know it.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Amen, amen, and and, and, and, and.
Just to let the listeners know,to let them know your
(28:13):
possession, whatever people wantto call it demonization, I,
this goes back, you know it all.
I tell people.
It all goes back to childhood.
A lot of it, and also ancestralcurses and then things that we
do in life.
Let's talk about your childhoodfor a little bit.
Your father, as you explained,was a thief.
(28:35):
Right, yeah, share with us,because that was a huge
spiritual open door and I'llexplain to the user I'm sorry
that's my software engineercoming out the users, the end
users, but I will explain to thelisteners.
You know, this is just onething that we dealt with.
(28:57):
But why don't you share thepractical things of your father
and the thief and the dynamicsof that through your family?
And when you're done, I'llshare spiritually how we address
that.
And this is just one issue outof many.
So go ahead, share with usabout your father and the
stealing.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
The problem with my father is that we were not or we
didn't need to steal, but he, Ithink he had some kind of.
Later I realized that probablyhe has some kind of mental
condition where he has to grabthings from other people, like
very small things, like a cup orwhatever.
He has that habit of takingwhat is not his.
(29:39):
And as a child he would give methings and I knew they were
stolen and they would say, no, Idon't want that, and he would
get mad at me.
He's like, oh, you don't wantfree things.
And even my family, they knewabout that, but they were always
in denial.
So he was not a professionalthief, but he would take things.
(30:03):
If he finds something that helikes or he thinks, yeah, we can
use that, he will just grab it.
He was a businessman, so I'msure that probably he did some
not very good deals and probablythere was some things that were
not very legal.
So I had to encounter thatlater when I was in a session
(30:26):
with you and I was telling youabout the failure in career and
finances, and even though Idealt with this before with mom,
(30:49):
you know I confessed it Irenounced it, but.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
I'm sure the Holy Spirit pointed this to you and a
curse in her finances.
And so you know, for many yearsshe has struggled.
Cynthia has struggled in herfinances and as I began to
question, as I had her begin toreally renounce this in the
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father and then through theancestry, as soon as I began to
work back through the ancestry,instantly we had demons
manifesting.
This is where a lot of peoplemiss it.
They don't go back through theancestry to the root of the
curse, and demons are to beinterrogated.
Jesus Christ spoke with demons.
(31:39):
He didn't just walk up and saygo sometimes, but oftentimes he
did speak with them.
We interrogate demons.
They know when the curse startsand they're compelled by the
Holy Spirit to speak truth.
This is where people miss it.
They think, well, the devil'snever going to tell you truth.
When you hold them up to thejudgment of Christ and tell them
(32:01):
that they will speak the truth,they do.
And what we found out in yourancestry is I don't remember the
exact generation, but let's say50, 60 generations ago there
was a family member who murdereda man, poisoned him to get a
ring, and the ring was to bringfinancial prosperity and health
(32:26):
and health.
And this is what's interesting,the man was dying on his
deathbed.
Now, this is underinterrogation of the demons that
they're under the judgment ofChrist and are being forced
through the authority of Christto speak the truth.
So this there was an old mandying, had the ring.
Now, that ring was to bringfinancial blessing and health to
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a person and your family memberasked to buy that ring.
The man wouldn't sell it, soyour family member gave him
poison and murdered him and tookthe ring.
Now, when he did that, what hedid is he opened your bloodline
up, first of all to a spirit ofdeath, secondly to financial
(33:13):
bondage and thirdly to infirmity, sickness and disease.
This is what was in the ring.
Finances and health were notthere.
What was there was mammon torestrict finances, infirmity and
, obviously, jezebel, because ofthe witchcraft behind this ring
(33:35):
.
So this opened a lot of demoniccurses in the bloodline and
current day today, in 2022, youwere suffering the consequences
of your ancestors curse and oncewe once we renounced this curse
, we broke this curse andexpelled the associated demons.
(33:56):
With the curse, you had freedom.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Yes, and actually at that time, a door of a new job
opened.
It's like, yeah, something thatcame up after Pastor Bob
Larson's session and after yoursession.
It was like two doors thatopened and it is for me that is
a proof when I get deliverancereal one, I can see the results.
(34:24):
You know right away.
Yes, jesus will show you.
You know, this is the cause andthis is the result.
There is a breakthrough.
There is breakthrough.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Another common breakthrough that you've
experienced is sleeping better.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
That's like the first thing that I when I work with
clients they tell me is they'resleeping much better.
Yeah, I would wake up at 3amevery night 3am 4am that time,
but after them on 3 am 4 am thattime, but after the two
sessions with you and withPastor Bob, I go through the
whole night no problem, praiseGod, and I experienced that
myself personally.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
I would be up all night long racing thoughts,
thinking they're my thoughts,full of anxiety and just
tormented.
And after a certain point in myexorcism that all stopped.
And today, when I lay my headdown on the pillow, I'm out.
I just sleep peacefully thewhole night.
And that's what a lot ofclients tell me and it's a
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wonderful benefit of exorcism.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Yeah, and it is priceless to have your sleep at
night exorcism.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Yeah, and it is priceless to have your sleep at
night.
Yes, because the devil attacksus in the mind and so if he can
keep us up all night, gettingthree, four hours of sleep, it
just allows him to stay tormentand so forth.
One interesting thing indeliverance or exorcism ministry
is that a lot of people takepeople through renouncement
(36:00):
prayers, which is a good thing,and a lot of times people assume
that the demons leave becauseof that act.
But they haven't.
They need to be expelled.
Your thoughts?
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yeah, I went through, you know, renouncing probably I
would say 20 times, renouncingthis and renouncing that and
renouncing the things I did andrenouncing what my parents and
my generation.
There is a little bit of reliefin renouncing, but the demons
are still there.
(36:33):
They are not expelled, they arestill there and probably hiding
somewhere.
So the time I got realdeliverance is with exorcism.
I mean people ordering thedemons to leave, like with you
and Pastor Bob, andinterrogating them.
(36:55):
Like when the police catches athief, they interrogate the
thief.
It's not like you're going tojail and that's it.
You know there is interrogation.
So many exorcists, many peoplewho did deliverance.
They didn't let the demonsmanifest and they didn't let
them talk.
And they, you know, I felt likeyou need to interrogate the
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demons manifest and they didn'tlet them talk.
And they, you know it's.
I felt like you need tointerrogate the demons.
You need to make sure that theyare gone.
They are not going into hidingand giving three or four years
of misery to the person becausethey can hide.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Yes, and they will also act like they've left and
they haven't.
You know, if you've not gottento the root curse, if you've not
broken that curse and you know,I've experienced this myself
personally through the years ofChristianity.
Until I worked with an exorcist, the deliverance ministries
really didn't do much for me.
You'd have people come up andsay, the Lord's showing me that
(37:55):
you have a spirit of fear, andthen they'd all start screaming
and yelling come out, come out,come out.
You know, absolutely had noproof whatsoever that I had fear
.
They had no manifestation, theyhad no interrogation, so
nothing left.
And so I was tormented foryears.
(38:16):
And so I just I think it's agreat concept to point out,
because what happens is peoplego for deliverance, they're told
you're free, and then you know,a month later, they're still
there, they're still tormented,they're still bothered by the
same things.
And then they think, well,they're confused.
And they think, well, why, whyeven?
Why even try?
You know?
Because if they're confused andthey think, well, why even try?
(38:37):
Because if they're still hereand I went for deliverance and
that was supposed to free me andI'm not free, then I guess I'm
always going to have thesethings, or maybe this is a big
hoax, this whole deliverancething.
You need exorcism, they needinterrogated.
Like you said, when you catch athief you interrogate it.
How did you get here, when didyou get here, why are you here,
(39:00):
what's your assignment and soforth, and then get rid of them
that you've experienced.
You know people in your countrywere casting witchcraft, curses
on you, death curses, and at acertain point in time we had to
(39:27):
deal with that and I believethat was in our last session.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
You want to talk to that a little bit.
After I became a Christian, ofcourse my family was not very
happy and they tried to bring meback to Islam.
But I had to come back to theStates because the persecution
was really very, very.
I mean I feared they wouldn'tkill me, but you know they they
(39:49):
might.
I mean I was.
The threat was very, very close.
I didn't want to think twice soI came back to the States.
But I was very happy that Iwent back home because I told
them all my family members, Itold them about Christ, how
Jesus is the only way to God,and I shared with them my
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testimony.
Some of them believed me.
Some of them they said you know, you're a traitor, you are a
cather now You're not good andyou know the name calling and
the spitting.
And they went through all thatgarbage that you know.
And it was.
It was demonic.
It was not my family.
(40:32):
I can.
I can hear the demons talkingthrough them.
So when I came back to thestates of course they were they
thought you know, she didn'tescape because we have to reach
her somehow.
So they were actually sendingme curses of death and it was
not fun because at that point Iwas still not free and I didn't
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know how to protect myself.
So it was very, very difficult.
I had a lot of health issues.
I had an accident in the car, Ihad actually a few accidents
and I knew somebody wanted tokill me.
I mean somebody astral projecthimself in my room Very, very
satanic things and very badcircumstances is whether to kill
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me, I'm not sure, or whether tobring me back to Africa and
bring me back to Islam.
So they were so angry at methat I became a Christian and
they didn't manage to bring meto Islam.
So they were trying to get evenwith me by curses and
witchcraft.
And again, justin, I didn'tknow how to protect myself.
I was afraid.
(41:49):
I think they moved to a very,very high level of witchcraft.
It's something that I didn'texperience before.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yes, and the reason they were able to get this
against you is because, like yousaid, you still had open doors.
The level of demonization, thelevel of demon possession that
you had is severe.
We're still working throughthat and you are getting closer
(42:19):
to complete freedom.
But that's what people have tounderstand when you have all
these open doors.
This is why you work with anexorcist, because they're
trained to understand what thesedoors are so that they can help
you shut them.
Spiritual doors expel the demonsso that those doors cannot be
leveraged through witchcraft.
(42:40):
So it is possible forwitchcraft to land on you if you
don't know how to pray or whatto do, which you do now, and
praise God for that.
So we did deal with thesewitches.
You know there were soul partsof people in your mind that were
practicing witchcraft and theyhad to go.
(43:04):
You know I addressed them, Ispoke to them.
I said that they had no moreright to be in your mind.
We shut those doors, they leftand we expelled the associated
demons so that this can getinvolved.
Where witches can?
They're so familiar with this?
I mean, it's nothing forwitches to say, yeah, I'm going
(43:24):
to astral project and get intosomeone's mind they have an open
door here, they have an opendoor there, but Christians who
aren't in this ministry and hearthings like this, they become
terrified.
But it is a reality and it wasyour reality, correct?
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Yes, absolutely yeah.
You're right, justin, becauseagain people around me they will
tell me oh, when I say you knowthere are, I feel like some
curses coming from Africa.
Oh no, you are protected by theblood of Jesus and you don't
know your identity in Christ andyou think the cross is not
enough.
(44:00):
I'm not saying the blood ofJesus is not enough.
I'm saying there is anotherproblem.
There is witchcraft and theycan't feed it and probably if I
wasn't a Christian I would havedied by those.
I mean, somebody else who wasnot Christian would have died by
this kind of witchcraft, but Ihave Jesus, so he protected my
(44:24):
life.
But still, there is still thatyou said that open door that
makes you feel those attacks.
And again, I really am prayingfor Christians not to make other
Christians feel bad.
I mean, if you tell somebodyyou don't know the value of the
(44:44):
blood of Jesus, that is very, Imean, it hurts.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
It's accusatory.
It's accusatory and it'sjudgmental.
And again, this goes back topeople who aren't trained.
When you're not trained, theyhave a very simplistic mindset
about the devil.
They have a simplistic mindsetabout spiritual warfare and this
is war.
And when you really get intothis, and I mean, and your
(45:13):
blinders are removed from youreyes and you see how the devil
operates, this is war and thereare techniques and strategies
that we have to use asChristians, and you know.
So the problem is, the majorityof people are never trained on
spiritual warfare.
They have no concept of it, andit's a shame because they're
(45:37):
underprepared.
And you know, I guess my pointis is that when you're in war,
you have to understand the enemy, and you understand the enemy
from Christian men and women whohave went before you, like Dr
Larson.
This is why the Lord led me tohim, because the Lord knew that
my demon possession was severe.
(45:57):
But I value Dr Larson becausehe's done over 50,000 exorcisms
in over 100 countries.
That amount of experiencenobody has.
And so when you have that typeof experience, you have earned
the right to be credible andyou've earned the right to
instruct what you've learned.
(46:18):
It may not be the only way, butit works.
Get educated so you can learnhow to fight.
Absolutely yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
And my first session with Pastor Bob is like the
demon was speaking through me.
I mean I went throughdeliverance and they spoke, but
you know, it was not as strongas when it was with Pastor Bob
and with you.
I mean it's like I am in a carwith Jesus in the back and the
(46:54):
demon is speaking.
I mean, if somebody else wouldhave told me the story, I would
say no, I am the person whowatched.
It's like watching a movie andthose demons especially when you
talk to two members of myfamily who put curses on me they
were crying and saying theyhave lots of problems I mean, if
(47:17):
I watched that I would say youknow, the person is
manufacturing all that, butactually they were sole part of
people and demons speaking andthey have to go Amen.
After that session I felt somuch peace.
I felt so much peace.
(47:38):
It's like the curse is brokenand two sole parts of somebody
left me.
Praise God.
Thank you Jesus.
Exactly Thank you Jesus.
And you know, I had always thatimpression that in my soul there
are things.
It's not.
It's not me when I get angry,it's not me when I get really
(47:59):
very tired and I cannot finishcleaning my job, my house.
It's not me, it's somethingelse making me tired.
I always felt Jesus has morefor me.
It's not it.
And, like you said, at onepoint I got tired.
I said you know what, I'm notgoing to go through the
denunciation again.
(48:19):
I'm not going to say Jesus,forgive me this and forgive me
that again, because I'm justgoing to live.
Probably this is the way thingswill be until the Holy Spirit
reveals to me that I have to goto Pastor Bob Larson.
And then I saw your interviewwith him and they said you know
(48:40):
what?
I want those demons to leave assoon as possible.
I'm going for the best exorcistso that I don't have to suffer
anymore.
I mean, I have been a Christianfor 20 years now and the joy
was very short, the prosperitywas very short.
(49:02):
I mean it was like a period oftime and then the oppression
comes back.
It's not.
Jesus died for us not to haveanother miserable life.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
It's so sad because so many Christians live
demonized, with demons in theirmind and just think that this is
normal, like this is the wayit's always going to be.
They don't understand that.
You know, like the number onecharacteristic of demons is they
compel.
They love to compel, tocompulsively, have people do
(49:39):
something, and so I work with alot of clients that, and even
myself, where pornography was anissue and it was a compulsion,
and for years, people in thechurch, both men and women, just
have been taught that that'syour flesh and get your flesh
(50:00):
under control, and never, everbeing told that it's a demon
under control and never, everbeing told that it's a demon.
And so you know, there's allkinds of compulsions that you
know and Christians believe that, for example, waking up in the
middle of the night with panicattacks to where they can't
breathe and they got to go tothe ER room that that's just
something they have to live with.
(50:21):
That's part of life.
My job's stressful, my financesare stressful.
Your finances could be cursedfrom demons, your health could
be cursed, and so you know toyour point, cynthia, christians
have been taught to live withdemons and that's a shame
(50:41):
because you don't have to.
I lived with them for 40 years.
I know what it's like to nothave them now.
And one thing you said, cynthia, that was so well put, you said
to me I just want my mind to bemy own.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
That's very well put.
People's minds are not theirown.
Constant thoughts, constanttorment, constant depression,
constant anxiety, mood swingscan't sleep at night.
I mean, on and on the tormentgoes.
And in the Christian churchesthey've been taught that this is
just read your Bible more, praymore fast, and honestly, for
(51:20):
myself personally, that wouldonly work for maybe a day or two
, you know.
Get a little bit of relief andthen boom right back at it.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
Yes, just one more thing, justin, and just to
people who are listening, and Ijust wanted to add one thing is
that after I accepted Jesus, Istarted serving the Lord right
away.
So I was serving Jesus, I waspraying for people, I was
telling people about the gospel.
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I was very active back home andin the States, very active in
the church, doing Sunday schoolfor children, even praying
deliverance for other people.
So while I was having demons, Iwas praying for other people
who have demons on the street.
We were exchanging demons.
(52:14):
So you gave them Jezebel and youpicked up Leviathan you know
and you know, I was to be honestwith you.
In my church I was consideredone of the best.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Well, I will say this , that Dr Larson does say that
you don't have to be 100% cleanto pray exorcism with people,
Otherwise no one would ever getanything done.
But you do have to be to astate where you know I'm good
and that's where I got, and whatyou're explaining is you
(52:45):
weren't at that state yet whereyou're like I'm good, I, that's
where I got and you're.
What you're explaining is youweren't at that state yet where
you're like I'm good, I have alittle bit more stuff to deal
with, but I can help people.
I just know it in my knower andyou weren't there.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
So yeah, it's like when you're, when you are poor
and you have a little bit ofmoney and you give that little
money to somebody who doesn'thave any.
So I saw people who are moreoppressed than me and I felt
compassion.
It's like you know, at least Ican pray for them and I'm sure
that Jesus honored that and heled me to the right people and
(53:20):
he saw the desire of my heart tobe free like 100%.
I want to reach my potentialwith Jesus and other people,
those who am believers, and I'mgoing to tell about my family.
They will tell me okay, whereis your Jesus?
You were more successful beforeChrist than after, so Satan can
(53:44):
use that against us as well.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
Amen.
I know that in the interviewwith Christy Myers, who was an
ex-astral projector, the demonwould attack her and say where's
your Jesus?
If he's so powerful, why is heallowing me to do this to you?
And it's because she wasn'ttrained, she didn't understand
war, she didn't know how tofight.
(54:06):
She does now, absolutely, butthat's you're right.
This is a technique that thedevil will use on certain people
.
Hey, you had it better before.
So where's your Jesus?
Why are you suffering so much?
And it's because they need anexorcism and sometimes it can
take time.
Speaker 2 (54:26):
Yeah, it is.
It takes time, but you knowit's better to wait while you
are in the right direction thanwaiting and you are nowhere and
you're not, you're going nowhere.
So it's there is a good waitingand a bad waiting.
So, for example, with me, whileI am waiting for the next
(54:46):
session with you, it's a goodwaiting because I know I'm going
to get freer, I know thatthings will get better, I know
that my ministry will be moreefficient, my life, I will have
more peace, I will have betterhealth to serve Jesus.
You know, when your health isnot good, it's very difficult to
(55:09):
serve Jesus.
You have pain here, you havepain there, you cannot, you
don't, you have low energy.
And in my case, I got reallyvery deep into witchcraft.
To witchcraft, I mean from whenI was 25 till 35, probably for
(55:30):
10 years.
I would consult psychics,probably every week and they
will tell me burn this candle,like you said, put salt in the
corner of your house and do thisand all those rituals.
You know everything we do inthe spiritual realm has an
impact.
Speaker 1 (55:47):
Amen, and it actually draws demons.
I was talking with a lady theother day.
She said you know, I don't know, I know there's, I got demons,
like this woman's not even aChristian.
And she's talking to me and shesays I know I got demons.
So I got a hold of a psychicand they said to burn, sage, to
put salt in all four corners ofthe home, set crystals on your
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counters.
I said whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
I said you're drawing thedemons into your home.
She says I am.
I said yes, don't do that.
I said listen, here's mywebsite, read it over and then
we'll regroup and talk.
But like people don't know andthat's what's sad that these
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types of practices, even theyoga, the mindfulness meditation
, all of these things that arekind of hip and cool right now
in our culture, draw demons toyou in torment.
Culture draw demons to you intorment.
You know you're being freed upin a powerful way God is.
(56:56):
You're an inspiration to me, tobe honest with you, because
your level of determination ishard to find in people.
You know, because a lot ofpeople, like I said, they want
to work with me and pull out amagic wand and cha-ching and
they're just fixed.
And you know this is a process,it's a journey, and you know
getting rid of the demons afterthat, then it's a matter of you
(57:19):
know working through strongholdslike thought processes that are
left behind, and workingthrough changing those thought
processes.
So someone may have a spirit ofdeath, suicide and so their
whole life they keep tellingthemselves I'm nothing, I'm
worthless, and they've said thisto where it's in their mind.
(57:40):
So then you expel death andsuicide and they still have
these thoughts coming I'mworthless.
That's because these are theleft-behind patterns that you
(58:01):
have to work through to get outof by you know getting into the
Word and replacing that with youknow Scriptures that speak of
life and joy and peace and quotethem and eventually the
thoughts will go away andinstead your mind will become
restored and healed through theHoly Spirit.
And you know coding scripturesand also counseling.
Sometimes people needcounseling.
You know to.
You know to work through thetrauma.
Speaker 2 (58:16):
Absolutely.
Yeah, I went to.
I went for inner healing forall the hurt caused by my family
After I accepted Jesus.
I had as well to go Few thingsin my childhood, kind of an
absent father, my mom was alittle bit too critical.
So, yeah, and the Holy Spiritwill tell us what is a demon,
(58:42):
what should be counseled, whatis your part?
What is Jesus should becounseled?
What is your part?
What is jesus part?
So it's, it's a direction.
It's like you're driving andjesus is telling you okay, turn
right, turn left, a little bithere, a little bit there, and it
is much easier than having thedemons inside of you, because
having the demons inside of you,it's not you, it is horrible.
Speaker 1 (59:08):
It is horrible and it's torment.
And the last thing I wanted tomention on this and then we can
wrap up is the exhaustion.
Exhaustion is a form of demonictorment and most people don't
realize that there's adifference between physical and
mental exhaustion and demonicexhaustion.
(59:30):
And it's a fine line and mostpeople can't tell it.
But, like you're saying, whenyou're cleaning your house and
all of a sudden you becomeexhausted, you can't go on.
I can remember working and inthe middle of the day I would
have to go lay down on the couchand I could barely move because
of the exhaustion.
It was demons.
(59:51):
It wasn't now, you know,psychologists would say you have
anxiety or whatever, but it wasdemons Because when I was
exercised, all of that stopped.
The exhaustion is gone, thatphysical fatigue that demons can
induce, and it's nasty, man,that physical exhaustion can be
(01:00:11):
awful.
So you mentioned that and Ijust wanted to bring that up to
people so that they couldunderstand that demonic
exhaustion can be a real thingand also interference with your
sleep.
You know a lot of people can'tgo to sleep at night.
That's a form of torment.
(01:00:31):
I mean, that's what they dowith prisoners of war.
They don't let them go to sleep.
You know, and this is whatdemons do with people they keep
them up and keep them up.
Why do they do it?
It's a big game.
They enjoy torment.
If you're exhausted, you'regoing to use poor judgment,
you're going to open more doorsfor more demons to come in, and
so forth.
So it's just as you put it verywell, cynthia.
(01:00:53):
It's horrible.
I'd like to thank you forcoming on the podcast, cynthia,
for sharing your life with allof us.
It's such a powerful testimonyto the mercy and grace of Jesus
Christ.
Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Thank you, Jesus.
Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
And at the end of each episode, I always ask my
guests to speak a word ofencouragement to people who are
listening.
And I'm going to ask you tospeak encouragement on two
things.
First, I'd like you to speakencouragement to anyone that's
Muslim, that's listening, toencourage them about Jesus
(01:01:34):
Christ.
And secondly, I'd like you toencourage people who may have
demons and know they have demonsand they're afraid to go for an
exorcism, or maybe they're onthe fence about it.
I don't know if I have them,maybe I do.
I'd like you to speakencouragement to people who are
fearful of exorcism or hesitantto go for an exorcism.
(01:01:57):
So, if you would, could youshare encouragement to people,
first of all, who are Muslim andthen, secondly, people who have
demons and need help?
Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Yeah, the few words I want to tell Muslims is Christ
is not a political messiah.
I mean, satan portrayed Jesusas post-colonialism and the
United States and Canada, as youknow, wants to get rid of Islam
(01:02:30):
, and they want, you know.
They portray him as somebodywho has political agenda.
Jesus doesn't have a politicalagenda.
Jesus came for everyone, forAfrica, for America, for Asia.
He came for human, for Africa,for America, for Asia.
He came for human beings and hedied on the cross so that our
(01:02:52):
sins get forgiven.
It's just a lie from Satan thatJesus belongs to, the is an
American and he wants just todestroy Islam and other
religions.
This is not the truth.
Jesus came to die for everybodyand he is the only way to God.
(01:03:13):
We cannot go to heaven withoutJesus, without the blood of
Jesus.
And if there was any other way,I was telling my family, if I
had only 5% chance of going toheaven through Islam, I would
(01:03:34):
have stayed in Islam.
But the problem there is zerochance of going to heaven
through religion, whether Islamor any other kind of religion.
It's only Jesus.
And when this roommate told meabout Jesus and how he saved her
(01:04:00):
, it wasn't very easy for me tochange my mind and all what I
learned, that Islam is the bestway and the best religion and
the last religion.
I prayed.
God show me the truth and heshowed me.
So my advice since you'repraying and since you believe in
God, why don't you ask him?
Ask him God, I want to go toheaven, show me the way and he
(01:04:20):
will show you, because God isfaithful and he loves everybody.
This is for Muslims, forChristians who accepted Jesus.
It doesn't matter whether theycome from Islam or they have
Christian.
I know many Christian friends.
Their parents are Christiansand they went through
(01:04:42):
deliverance, but they stillneeded deliverance.
I think 90%, 95% of people havedemons, because sin brings
demons.
Any kind of sin can bringsomething demonic.
So it's good to check with anexorcist just to see if your
health is not going well.
(01:05:05):
If you don't have peace, thereare symptoms for a spiritual
root.
You will know that.
I think I can do better.
I think Jesus has something.
Probably I have a stronghold.
Probably I have a demon.
Probably I need counseling forsomething that happened in my
childhood.
And unfortunately, I thinkChristians are not very
(01:05:29):
effective in the world becausehalf of us are suffering of
demonic oppression.
So we want to live full lifebecause Jesus came to give us
the best life.
That's true, we will haveproblems and he never said you
know you won't have problems,but we want to be 100% free to
(01:05:50):
face those problems that Satanthrows at us.
So if Satan throws problems atus and we are half demons, we
want many, many Christians.
Actually, they die youngbecause they didn't go through
deliverance and they didn't knowthat they had demons and they
had just, and it's a waste.
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!