April 10, 2023 • 47 mins
Can emotional pain and rejection open doors to demonic torment?
In this raw and honest episode of The Blind Exorcist, I speak with Zeno Reed — a man whose childhood was marked by deep emotional wounds, rejection, and identity struggles. In search of strength and worth, Zeno turned to wrestling, boxing, and steroids to build a false identity. But it was through exorcism and surrender to Christ that he finally found healing.
Zeno shares how trauma led to demonic torment, and how scripture, resistance, and a renewed mind helped him fight back. His story offers encouragement for anyone battling inner torment or struggling to find purpose.
📌 What you’ll discover in this episode:
✅ How emotional trauma and rejection can invite demonic oppression
✅ Zeno’s personal deliverance journey through exorcism
✅ How identity, performance, and pain shaped his path
✅ The power of scripture and resistance in spiritual warfare
✅ Why churches must equip believers to fight spiritual battles
✅ What true healing and surrender to God really look like
If you’ve ever battled with your past, this conversation will show you how freedom is possible through Jesus Christ.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back everyone .
We are at episode 9.
10 is right around the corner.
This is the Blind Exorcist.
I am Justin D, your host.
Do me a favor, join the podcast, subscribe to the podcast and
share this out to family andfriends.
(00:21):
They need to hear it.
The guest that I have on today,zeno Reed.
I'm going to introduce him injust a minute, and I've been
working with Zeno now for acouple months and we're going to
pull back the curtain because Iwant you guys to understand
what's involved when it comes toactually being freed through
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exorcism in order to truly befree.
That's what we're going toexpose today.
Zeno's going to share his lifeand we're going to show you what
it takes to be free, what typeof grit you need to make it out.
This isn't simple, it's notimpossible, but it takes effort,
and so, again, we're going topull back the curtain today and
(01:06):
allow you guys to see Zeno'slife, and this is going to be
raw and real.
Zeno, thanks so much for comingon to the podcast and sharing
your life with everyone.
Welcome to the Blind Exorcist.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Thank you, great to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
You've been on quite the journey, bro.
Yeah, it's been long anddifficult it has been, and
people don't understand that.
In episode eight, you know, Iinterviewed a guest and we
talked all about trauma anddemons come into trauma and when
we first met, I dove into yourchildhood and in your childhood
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it was not good.
It was not good.
Your father and mother nevervalidated you emotionally.
You never felt love from them.
There was a massive disconnectthere in the childhood.
Also, in high school there wasa mass amount of rejection.
So there were a lot of entrypoints for demons in your
(02:10):
childhood.
Can you take a minute, zeno,and explain the emotional pain
that you experienced from yourfather, mother and high school?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, you know a lot of people go through it, I know.
But it's when you're growing upand you are being bullied at
school and you know you think,well, I have a safe haven at
home and to find comfort.
But then when you get home it'sreally worse than it is at
school because you're lookingfor that comfort but you're
(02:43):
getting told you're worthless,you're dumb, you're nothing,
you're never amount to anything,you're never going to make it,
you're useless.
As a child growing up, youfinally start believing it when
you hear it enough, and I thinkthat also carries over into your
adult life and you have a hardtime trusting people, which
affects your relationships thatyou get into, whether it be a
(03:07):
friend or somebody you're dating, and I mean it's just a whole
lot of.
You know a lot of pain.
You're trying to always find away out.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
You're trying to always find comfort or
acceptance when truly you don'teven accept yourself, when truly
you don't even accept yourselfBecause of the rejection,
because of being rejected as whoyou were in high school, being
rejected as to who you were byyour parents.
(03:37):
One way of coping with that isyou eventually got into lifting
weights.
You got into pursuing wrestlingprofessionally and also boxing.
So as a way of coping with thepain of the rejection and again
I get into this in episode eight, trauma Demons listen to it if
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you haven't, but Zeno in yourcase as a way of dealing with
the pain of rejection, you weregoing to become something.
You were going to be big.
You got big.
You lifted, you bulked up, youbecame very big.
You pursued wrestlingprofessionally and boxing.
Tell us a little bit about that, how you use these alternative
(04:19):
identities to be something inyour mind.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
You know, because of the fighting and everything at
school, I quit school at 16, gotinto a gym, started working out
, lost weight I think I weighedlike 260 at the time and I
dropped down to 175.
Went to move to Florida at 17and started training at a
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wrestling school there calledSkullcrushers Wrestling School.
The trainer was an old legendprofessional wrestler named
Adrian Street.
He was originally from England.
He had wrestled.
He was real popular in the 70sand the 80s.
You know, got there, but at 17,.
Everybody else was way olderthan you.
(05:08):
So you have no choice but togrow up.
So your childhood, your teenyears are actually taken away
because that's done, because youhave to start being a man and
not being a child.
You got out of wrestling school, came back home the following
week I actually went back toFlorida for my first wrestling
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match, realized that I wasn'tbig enough to do this.
So I actually lost 10 morepounds while I was in Florida
training and I weighed 165 whenI came back home.
So I had buddies that workedout at the gym that were big and
did bodybuilding and theyturned me on to steroids and I
kept working out, started takingsteroids at 18 years old and
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put on about 30 pounds of musclein three months, kept working
out, kept doing steroids and Irealized and found confidence in
the bottle that I was injecting.
You know, people can say whatthey want to say, but steroids
does alter your mind.
I went from being shy andwithdrawn to very outgoing,
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outspoken and aggressive.
I did that for I guess aboutfive years.
I was on straight.
I never really came off.
I stayed on and you're supposedto kind of cycle on, cycle off,
but I didn't.
And the bigger I got, thebetter I looked, the more I
wanted to, the more I took.
So my life became involved intraining.
Every day, all you know, two,three hours go into the gym,
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work out, do and then I'd comeback to cardio.
You know, eating seven times aday, all my meals prepped,
eating healthy, drinking nothingbut water, and then I would
wrestle on weekends.
So I was always on the road,always traveling.
That started that journey.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Well, at a certain point in time, you were arrested
for selling steroids and had todo some prison time.
Tell us about that Now.
The reason I bring this out isthis is raw and real.
This is not even scratching thesurface of some of the things
that Zeno's been in before.
He was sitting across from meon a Zoom meeting and we started
(07:18):
working together.
Tell us about tell thelisteners about your prison time
.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
When you wrestle and people think that it's all that.
All they see is glitz andglamour and they think all these
wrestlers are rich and they'renot.
A lot of people don't see whatthey go through to get to the
WWE or TNA or AEW.
You know, back then for me itwas WWF, which is now WWE, it
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was WCW and ECW, and you don'tmake a lot of money.
When you're on the road youmake like $20 a match if you're
lucky, and that barely coversgas to get to the next show.
But you continue to do it.
You're hoping that a scout fromsome big company will actually
be at the show, take a look atyou and sign you to a contract,
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and that very rarely happens.
But you continue to put yourbody through the abuse to just
to make it.
And a lot of people don't seethat side of wrestling.
They just think that somebodyjust came up into the WWE and
they're a millionaire.
And that's not how it works.
And even if you're in the WWE,a lot of those guys still don't
make a lot of money.
I mean, sure, they make morethan $20, but there's only a
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handful that are actuallymillionaires.
So in order to compensate formoney, I started running
steroids from Mexico into theUnited States and being
wrestlers.
We would have pictures.
So we would autograph ourpictures because wrestling was
huge in Mexico and we would bestanding there taking pictures
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with feather alleys with theirmachine gun and we would sign
autographs for them while theywere searching our vehicle to
see if there was anythingillegal in there.
But fortunately, dogs can'tsmell steroids, so there was no
chance that the dog that theywere using could search and
figure out that we had steroidsin the van that we were in.
Then we would get back to theUnited States.
We would sell it to wrestlers,bodybuilders, cops, firemen,
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anybody that wanted to buy it.
There was a lot of people thatdo it, so we had no problem
moving product and making moneythat kept us going so we could
continue to wrestle and not haveto worry about the finance part
of it.
Plus, we were getting our stufffor free, basically because we
were paying for it so cheapthere.
I did that for about five years,decided to get out of it, so I
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was out of it for about twoyears.
The guy that I was doing itwith decided to continue to do
it and a guy that we knew gotbusted.
So he set my friend up and thenin return my friend turned
around and set people up and Iwas one of them.
So I got arrested fortrafficking $60,000 worth of
steroids that was the streetvalue for then.
(10:00):
They wanted to know everythingthat I knew and who I sold to
and everything else.
And I wasn't telling themanything because if I was going
to go to prison that I knew andwho I sold to and everything
else and I wasn't telling themanything because if I was going
to go to prison I wasn't goingto go to prison being a snitch.
I ended up getting arrested in98.
I didn't get sentenced until 99.
Almost did prison time.
I ended up getting a five-yearsuspended sentence, three-year
supervised probation.
(10:21):
I was on probation, had tocheck in with a probation
officer.
I had to pay a fine.
I think the fine was probablyaround like $3,000 or $4,000.
I was actually on probation fora year and a half and I got off
.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
This is amazing.
All of this stems from thetrauma in your childhood, the
rejection.
This is what's amazing to me,client after client after client
, that I meet with their successin life where they're at all.
I can't say all, but a lot goesback to the traumas.
I'm going to be somebody, I'mgoing to matter.
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So the rejection in your casinobrought you into this lifestyle
of steroids.
Massively huge body you havebeen with in your lifetime was
to try to find love andvalidation, and that all goes
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back to the rejection as a child.
And so demons are entering you.
Well, I mean, you were bornwith demons.
We discovered this during oursessions but you had demons put
in you through your parents.
You had demons enter you throughthe steroids the rage and anger
, and also all of the women thatyou slept with.
(11:56):
You know people laugh when Isay this and it is funny, but we
call them STDs sexuallytransmitted demons.
Anyone you sleep with outsideof marriage you will get demons
period.
So, zeno, as I'm sharing thisreflection on your life, in the
core of these life decisions,you know the survival skills
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that you had to pick up mostpeople through trauma, trying to
prove that there's somebody,they pick up very dysfunctional
coping mechanisms, which demonslove to enter through.
So, for example, alcoholism,drugs, sleeping around like
crazy, whatever it is gambling,anger, rage.
Whatever the coping mechanismis, it's a survival skill, but
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it's not healthy and demonsenter through it.
As I'm sharing and reflectingback on this, though, what are
your thoughts when you hear this?
That all of this really doesroot back to your childhood and
the rejection.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
I mean it's hard to believe and when I tell my story
to people it even gets to bekind of it even gets to be hard
to believe for me that that I,that I did everything I've done
in life.
And you know, being 46 yearsold, you know I've done more
than a lot of people.
You know just where I've been.
You know being rejected in highschool.
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You know being overweight, notbeing able to get a date to
going from that to I had gottento 192 pounds, all muscle.
You know 32 inch waist, 57 inchchest.
You know I went from wearingbig, oversized, baggy clothes to
wearing really tight jeans,tight shirts to show off the
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muscles.
And you know the attention thatyou end up getting from women,
the attention that you end upgetting from women.
But then you know you have alot of trust issues.
That comes up with that too,because then you end up dating
and then they end up cheating onyou.
So then you end up believingthat every woman is going to
cheat or every woman is bad.
You have that perception andthen you just say the heck with
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it.
You know why date.
Just go out here, find somebody, get what you want from them
and move on and I would go outhere.
I'd find girls I'd go out with,I would have sex and, you know,
move on.
Whether they wanted to or not,I was done.
You've learned to use women tocope with rejection.
And you know, then it was likeif I got rejected I didn't care
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because I already slept with you.
So who cares if you're rejected, you're in the spotlight.
People think you're famous.
Women's going to throwthemselves at you anyway.
So you have no issue getting,you know, going to bed with
somebody.
You don't have a hard timegetting sex.
When Satan gets involved, youreally don't have a hard time
getting sex because he's alwaysthrowing gorgeous women in front
of you.
(14:40):
And you know, I always telleverybody anyway I'm not like to
me, I'm not like the greatestlooking guy in the world, but I
had no problem getting womenonce I got in shape and got out
of high school and, you know,started wrestling.
But then you kind of realizethat there's something missing
in your life.
You know of God but you don'tknow him and you're always
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looking for something in thewrong places.
And you know you find out thatif you don't love the woman
you're with, you're really onlysatisfying for however long
you're having sex and then,after the sex is over with,
you're still empty and you'restill searching is over with.
You're still empty and you'restill searching.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yes, what you're saying is so true, not just for
women, but for any copingmechanism.
You're never happy becauseyou're not healed.
You're emotionally broken.
You're a broken person.
You know the trauma that you'veexperienced has never been
healed.
So in Zeno's case, you'repicking up women to cope with
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wrestling and steroids, andthere's a price to pay for these
coping mechanisms that areunhealthy.
The price is your soul, meaningyour mind, your emotions, your
thoughts and your body.
You get demons.
You know the devil.
The kingdom of darknessoperates on its own law.
You know the devil, the kingdomof darkness operates on its own
law legislation, and it'ssimple Pleasure to death.
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That's it.
He'll give you as much pleasureas you want until you die and
he takes you to hell.
And in Zeno's case it was givehim as many women as he wants.
He's even admitted it.
He's not the best looking guy.
It doesn't make logical sensewhy he's getting all these women
, because he's been targeted.
He's been targeted by the devil.
Well, why would the deviltarget him?
(16:24):
Because Zeno has a destiny forGod, for the kingdom, and so do
you.
God created your spirit, putyou in your body and you're here
with a kingdom purpose.
So you know a lot of peoplethey'd never complete their
destiny for God because they'recaught trying to heal themselves
through dysfunctional patterns.
To handle their trauma and Imentioned this in episode eight
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trauma demons.
Some people do it through work,money and success.
Look at me I matter.
That's all that's at the rootof it.
It's so sad and the whole timethey're striving and thrashing
for money, success, whatever itis you're striving and thrashing
for, they're never going to getit.
They will never feel the lovethey're searching for because
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they're broken so they've neverbeen healed.
So you got a broken foundationand you're trying to build on
that foundation throughdysfunctional thought processes.
If I get enough women, I matter.
If I get enough money, I matter.
If I sell enough books, Imatter.
If I get enough clients, Imatter.
Whatever it is, it'sdysfunctional and it causes
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people to be infested withdemons.
And then they have all thissuccess, in whatever area they
have, but yet they're alwaysfighting depression and suicide.
Don't even understand why.
Because they're broken.
You know they have what theythought they wanted, but it's
not enough.
They got to get more.
So in Zeno's case, instead of100 women he wanted 200, then
300, then 400, whatever thenumber is.
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It doesn't matter what it is.
It's never enough becauseyou're broken.
The only way to have enough isto be healed emotionally through
the Holy Spirit, inner healingand expulsion of your demons.
Which brings me to my nextpoint.
Let's dive into your exorcism.
So, zeno, when you came to me,you filled out an intake
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question.
I always have every client dothat because I use analysis to
look for demonic entry points ina person.
So when those intake questionsare completed, I'm reading over
like a forensic, spiritualforensic scientist, dusting for
demonic fingerprints and looking, researching.
We're trained under Dr Larsonto understand what demons enter
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through miscellaneous traumasand occultic practices.
His approach is very clinical.
This is why I appreciate it.
It's not you know, hey, youknow pray and jump around and
smack tambourines and say comeout in the name of Jesus and
you're free.
We are clinical in our approach.
Plus we are fully led by theHoly Spirit in our approach,
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plus we are fully led by theHoly Spirit.
So when I looked over yourintake questions, first thing I
noticed relationship with yourfather bad.
Relationship with your motherbad.
There we go.
There's going to be some traumathere and plus all of the
sexual activity there was a lotthere.
So when we first started workingtogether, zeno, and we started
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working through your traumas andyour issues, you know you had
been to an exorcism beforecoming to me, which Dr Larson's
coined deliverance light, whichis that you know, hey, the
Lord's telling me you got fear,or renounce some things and then
come out in the name of Jesus,or renounce some things and then
come out in the name of Jesus,and it's kind of like quick,
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like people literally believethat you know they can just come
for a deliverance and theirlife's bing magically fixed, the
demons are all gone, they don'thave to deal with any of their
traumas.
That's where the demons are.
So you're coming to me andwe're starting to get in your
traumas and I remember you saidto me, zeno, especially after
our first session where demonsmanifested in you, we got to a
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root curse, they were expelled.
And I remember you said to mewow, like this was nothing like
what I went through previously.
This is going deep, very deepand this feels like an actual
exorcism.
You were kind of taken back bythat because initially I think
in your mind you thought thiswould kind of be a quick fix and
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you'd be able to get out thereand get into evangelism and get
into exorcism and helping people.
But you know, even outside ofyou know our sessions, there's
been a tremendous amount of toiland grind on your part, first
of all, to figure out who youare.
You know, for years you werethe wrestler.
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Then you got into boxing, soyou were the boxer, and once we
started casting these demons outthrough the authority of Christ
, those identities dropped offand now you were faced with the
fact of who am.
I Tell us a little bit aboutthat.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
You really don't know who you are.
You know you're rejected somuch in life you kind of you
want to escape reality.
You want to escape who you are,and you know, pro wrestling was
a way of doing that.
Whether I would be in the ringfor 10 minutes or I'd be in the
ring for 30 minutes, howeverlong the match was, I wasn't me,
I wasn't Zeno, I was thecharacter that I portrayed in
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wrestling.
And you think about okay, well,it's not Zeno that people are
coming up and asking forautographs, it's the wrestling
character.
Is whose autograph that theywant?
You have to portray a characterin wrestling, whether it's a
bad guy, a good guy or whatever.
But when you're wrestling andyou're in that spotlight, you
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feel like you're superhuman.
You feel like you're acelebrity, a star, and you like
what you're becoming.
So then you start and I knowthat there's so many wrestlers
that this has happened to butyou start being that character
outside of the ring too, becauseyou like that guy more than you
like yourself.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
That's amazing and you know it's what so many
people do.
Even if it's an executive for acompany, they hide behind that.
Even if it's a fitnessinstructor with the perfect body
, they're hiding behind thatbecause you know the traumas
have not been dealt with, thedemons have not been expelled,
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and you know this is a trap andpeople get addicted to that, to
the illusion that they finallymatter, to the illusion that I'm
worth something and the wholetime you are in the eyes of God.
But you have demons, you havetrauma, you're a broken person,
you're not emotionally well andit's so easy for people to hide
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behind in your case, wrestling.
It doesn't matter what it isLike.
There are Christian ministersthat are completely broken out
there with wildly successfulministries, but inside they're
broken, they've never beenhealed from trauma and they have
demons.
You know this is what happens.
This is a lot of my ministrywith people when they sit across
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from me is okay, let's workthrough these traumas and let's
figure out get you healed up inthese areas, get rid of the
demons, and then comes thelifestyle change.
People don't understand thegrind to change lifestyle and
thought patterns.
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What I mean by lifestyle changethrow the vape pen away, quit
smoking pot, cut off toxicrelationships, kick the
boyfriend out.
We're not living in sin anymore.
You know this type of stuff Notsupporting family members
financially all the time, notbeing the rescuer in that
dysfunctional codependent bondwhere you're going to run in and
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rescue so that you feel thatyou matter and get validated.
You know all this kind ofreprogramming of your thinking.
You've got to think Christ-likeand retrain your thinking
through the Word of God.
And it's intense because foryears you've reinforced patterns
of dysfunction and demons andwhen the demons are removed, the
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dysfunctional thought patternsare still there.
And, zeno, even right now youare wrestling pun intended with
this situation of you have a lotof patterns in your mind still
that have been reinforced foryears.
The demons are gone but thepatterns are still there and
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you're having to fight throughthose patterns through quoting
the Word, resisting, rebukingthe devil and fighting.
Can you share with thelisteners your experience of
this?
You know, retraining yourselfto think correctly about
yourself through the Word of Godand fighting the enemy in the
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areas that you've been freedfrom.
I mean, you've been freed froma lot of things and the devil
keeps coming around, knocking onthe door there, trying to get
back in and you have to fightand resist.
So can you explain to thelisteners what has this grind
been like for you?
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Well, you know one.
It feels like you're in a tugof war.
You know it feels like you'vegot God pulling you on one side
and Satan pulling you from theother.
A lot of times I feel like I'mjust being torn apart and you
know what's right and you knowwhat to do.
But what people need tounderstand is if you fall, it
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doesn't mean that you failed andit's over and God's not there
and Satan's won.
That's not what that means.
It means you turn around, yourealize what happened, you ask
for forgiveness and you move on.
You have to fight.
I mean, people say well, theythink that if you do nothing,
satan's going to go away.
No, satan's not going to leaveyou alone, especially if you
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know what to do and if you'recalled, he's really not going to
leave you alone.
You know there's a verse in theBible that says many are called
but few are chosen, and I neverreally quite understood what
that meant up until recently.
And for me it means thatthere's a lot of people that are
called by God, but there arevery few that actually accept
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that call and they don't want togo through the war that it
takes to become what they needto be and you have to fight.
And it's daily.
You know.
Again, jesus said pick up yourcross and follow me.
You've got to pick up yourcross daily.
He said daily.
For a reason he doesn't saypick up your cross once and it's
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done and over with.
And you know, I've had peopletell me that demons are not
active today, and I don't knowwhat Bible they're reading.
But there's nowhere in theBible where Jesus said I have
permanently defeated Satan anddemons and it's over with.
It was only for my time and I'mdone.
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You know, I believe that hetook back the authority,
conquered death and took thekeys to the kingdom of hell, but
he didn't throw Satan away.
So he's very much active todayand there are demons that are
very much active today andpeople need to realize that.
You can look at the world andsee that Satan is more active
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now than he's ever been.
People's eyes are open and theystart realizing what's going on.
They're always going to bewalking around defeated and as
Christians we have to get out ofthat defeated mindset.
We're not supposed to walkaround defeated, you know.
But you have people that saywell, if God was such a loving
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God, why does he condemn peopleto hell?
Well, he doesn't.
You condemn yourself to hell.
In the Bible he says clearly Igive you a choice blessings or
curses, life or death.
Choose life.
He tells you what to do, but wechoose to follow the path of
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destruction or we choose tofollow Christ.
But it's not God that condemnsyou to hell, it's us that
condemns us to hell.
You know, people don't want torealize that Satan has them so
fogged up that they don'trealize that Satan is the God of
this world.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
You know, in the Bible, when Jesus was tempted
now we all know Jesus is God hecould have done anything he
wanted.
But when Jesus was tempted bySatan in the Bible, he did not
come out and tell Satan.
When Satan said I will give youall the kingdoms of the world.
Well, if Jesus had defeatedSatan, why would Jesus not argue
with Satan and say no, satan,I'm God, you can't do that?
(28:40):
Because Jesus knew that Satancould give him all the kingdoms
of the world.
What did Jesus do?
He defeated Satan by quotingscripture.
You know he didn't say no,satan, you can't give me these
kingdoms because I'm God.
He fought.
He fought, he fought.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
You've been fighting a lot.
You had the hypochondria.
Every itch you had was going tokill you.
Every tingle you had, everypain in the chest you had was
going to kill you.
Those demons were expelled, butthe thought patterns are still
there and other demons that arestill in you that we'll get rid
of eventually.
They're trying to press intothat area because it's war.
(29:24):
You drew a line in the sandwhen you came for an exorcism.
You said devil, I see you, Iknow you, you know me, it's on,
this is war.
And so, for quite a while, oneof the areas of your life that's
been targeted is thishypochondria.
And you have had to fight otherpeople.
It's pornography.
(29:45):
They have to fight, it's not.
You know, the Bible says toresist the devil.
Resisting means just exactlywhat it means.
Man.
You're putting forth emotionaleffort, You're fighting.
This isn't hey.
I got the demons out and now Inever have to fight.
Praise God, I'm free and I canlive happily ever after.
(30:07):
You will live happily everafter, but you're always going
to have to fight.
Christianity is a lifestyle offighting.
If you want to be serious aboutit and get freed from your
demons, you're going to have tofight to be serious about it and
get freed from your demons.
You're going to have to fight.
Explain to the people some ofthe torment that the devil's
been putting on you with thehypochondria, and also explain
(30:29):
to the people how you have beenfighting back and kicking the
devil's butt through theauthority of Christ.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
It gets hard sometimes and never been
diagnosed with heart disease,never been diagnosed with
anything major or anything bad.
You put your body through somuch and I put my body through
so much through wrestling,through being slammed on my back
, being slammed and dropped onmy neck the problem you know, on
the back of my shoulders, myneck, having all this happen to
(30:59):
me, and you know, of course,satan is going to come in and
make you feel like, well, nowyou're going to have a heart
attack.
You know the trauma from my dadpassing away at 54 of a massive
heart attack and I was 26 whenhe died.
You know, threw me into alwaysworrying about my heart, always
worrying about having a heartattack.
(31:20):
You know, again, had the EKGs,had the stress test done, doctor
telling me there's nothingwrong with me, but even
physically, on paper, whenyou're fine and medically
healthy, everybody says you'regood, satan is still going to
attack that area becauseeverything that he does is
focused on keeping you fromfocusing on Christ and focusing
(31:42):
on your destiny.
And he knows that if he cancause a problem with you,
between you and your wife,between you and your girlfriend,
your health, whatever it is, hecan make you focus on something
You're not focused on Christ.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
You're going to the doctors because of the fear.
You're working through thisright.
This is an area that we'reworking on currently.
Through exorcism, we're gettingrid of the demons.
There's still some more we'regoing to need to work on, but
you're at a level of freedomwhere now you're fighting.
You're fighting these things.
(32:16):
You're understanding that thisis an area, this fear of death
from your father having theheart attack.
The devil knows that.
This is an area that he canattack you in, and I always tell
people the devil backs off whenhe realizes he's not going to
get anywhere with you.
So your attacks are daily, thenit's weekly, every two weeks, a
(32:36):
month and every six months orwhatever you know, because if
he's not getting anywhere, butin your case you're in the heat
of battle, you're grindingthrough this.
You are fully engaged inspiritual warfare.
You are fighting demons.
Can you tell the listenerspractically what are the tools
and techniques?
(32:56):
Just like in wrestling you hadtools and techniques you use,
but spiritually, how are youfighting these demons?
Give them practical advice.
How can someone fight demons?
They honestly don't know.
Listen all churches in Americaand around the world.
They don't even give people thenuts and bolts on how to fight
their enemy.
They don't understand theirenemy and in fact, in some ways,
(33:18):
you're learning how to fighttheir enemy.
They don't understand theirenemy and in fact, in some ways,
you're learning how to fight,and that's very common with a
lot of the clients that I workwith.
They don't know how to fightthe devil.
They've never been trained.
This is war, zeno.
Can you tell them practicallyhow are you doing this?
You mentioned quoting the Biblescriptures, but what else?
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I always thought that boxing, I was going to become a
famous boxer and make a lot ofmoney and everything else.
And it's like God said to me.
He said I didn't want you tolearn how to box because I want
you to be a boxer.
I want you to learn how to boxso you can learn how to fight,
and he was talking aboutfighting spiritually.
How to box so you can learn howto fight, and he was talking
about fighting spiritually.
You can look at a lot ofaspects in boxing and you can
put a spiritual punch to it.
Per se.
How do we fight?
We can't physically fightsomething we can't see, but we
(34:08):
know it's there.
You know the demons are there.
You've never seen the wind, butyou know the wind is there
because you feel it.
So how do you fight somethingthat you can't see standing in
front of you?
You have to fight by Scripture.
So you have to quote Scripture.
You know, one of the biggest isI shall not die but live and
(34:28):
tell of all the good works ofJesus Christ.
You know he forgave all myiniquities.
He healed all my diseases.
I cried unto God for help andhe healed me by his stripes.
I am healed.
Greater is he who is in me thanhe who is in the world.
You have to fight like Jesusfought.
You have to quote scripture.
So I look at it and it'ssomething that I don't do all
(34:49):
the time, and when I don't do it, all the time I get beat up.
But you have to get to thatplace where you do what Jesus
did.
How did Jesus combat Satan?
It wasn't an uppercut and aleft hook, it was.
It is written and he quoted andSatan left him.
So if my Jesus and your Jesuscan combat Satan that way, then
(35:15):
it was good enough for him, thenit should be good enough for us
.
And you have to get that mindset.
Okay, well, I have a painDoesn't mean I'm dying.
You have to not let Satan getin with his thought Well,
there's a pain in your chest,you must be having a heart
attack.
You know you have to get out ofthat.
You have to get in the word.
And you know and Jessa wasright you know churches don't
(35:38):
preach that man.
Pastors nowadays are weak andtheir congregation is weak
because of them, because they'renot leading the sheep like they
should be leading.
You don't hardly hear pastorspreach on demons.
They're scared of them.
I always ask myself thequestion how can a man of God be
afraid of a demon?
You're a man of God and theyare afraid of them.
I always ask myself thequestion how can a man of God be
afraid of a demon?
(35:58):
Amen, you're a man of God.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
And they are afraid of them.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
They are afraid of them, they're scared.
Then you don't hear pastorstalk about the blood of Christ
Ever you know.
Jesus said come as you are.
But the problem is, because ofthe church and the leadership,
people come as they are and theyleave the same way.
(36:24):
There's no possible way thatyou can truly meet the true
Christ and not be transformed.
So if you're not going to achurch and you're not being
different and you're nottransformed, you're not meeting
the real Jesus and who's notshowing you the real Jesus?
Pastors of these churches.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Yeah, but let me jump in here.
A lot of times people, jesus,like you're saying, says come as
you are.
They go, they get saved, butthey leave the same because they
need an exorcism.
And as we all know most of usthis might be new to some of you
listeners.
You know most Christianchurches in America.
I mean, they don't even believeChristians can have demons.
(37:15):
Back to your point.
Zeno Christ had to resist,emotionally resist Satan, and so
do we.
So maybe it's you're addictedto X.
Whatever X is, you know, itdoesn't matter what it is.
In order to get out of that,you must fight, and fighting
means speaking out your mouth.
(37:36):
I resist you, satan, throughthe blood of Jesus Christ.
I rebuke you, satan, in thename of Jesus Christ.
This is conflict, this is war,this is grit we're stabbing in
the spirit realm.
I rebuke you in the name ofJesus Christ.
I resist you through the bloodof Jesus Christ.
No weapon formed against meshall prosper, no evil shall
(38:01):
befall me, no plague come nighmy dwelling.
Greater is he that's in me thanhe that's in the world.
You're a liar Satan.
I resist you through the bloodof Christ.
I rebuke you.
Go from me now to the pit.
This is what we're talking about, folks, and this is for every
dysfunctional thought patternyou have.
It takes time to crawl out ofthis.
(38:22):
For Zeno, it's the fear ofdeath.
For others, who knows?
Whatever it is, I don't matter.
Woe is me.
You know, I could have tookthat on as a blind man.
I'm not normal anymore.
No one will ever love me, youknow, just depressed sitting
around, I don't, I don't matter.
All demons, all lies, alldysfunction, shake it off, get
(38:44):
exercise, get rid of them,demons, man, and start fighting.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Start fighting yeah, I mean you have to fight.
You know, I remember watching aum.
I remember watching a boxingmatch one time where two guys
got in the ring.
They they got to the corner inthe middle of the ring for their
face-off while the referee gaveinstructions.
They both went back to theircorners for the bell to ring for
them to start the fight and oneof the guys, right when the
(39:10):
bell rang, he turns around andgets out of the ring and goes
back to the locker room becausehe was so scared of the guy that
he was fixing the fight that hewanted nothing to do with it.
And I feel like, no matter whattraining you have, you have the
creator of the universe in yourcorner as your coach, as your
trainer, and you get into thering with this big demon, you
(39:30):
get ready to fight, you know,you know what to do, you know
you have the weapons to defeathim and you turn around and get
out of the ring and go back tothe locker room and then your
opponent wins by default becauseyou just leave.
And I think so many Christiansgo up against these demons, get
scared and turn around and walkaway, and I have been involved
in doing that my whole life,when you have the one that
(39:54):
created the world right there inyour corner.
And that's why I said thatthere's no reason for a man of
God to be afraid of a demon,because if they're true men of
God, they've got God in theircorner.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Amen.
Well, so you know I think I'mgoing to call it a wrap.
We've covered a lot ofterritory here.
Thank you so much for being rawand real man, for kind of
pulling the curtain back andletting listeners know what's
involved to get free and stayfree.
Grit, fight can't be weak.
(40:27):
Oh, I don't want to fight today, I'm tired.
Don't matter, you got to fight.
That's what this is, especiallynow that we're in the last days
.
So there is effort in exorcismand inner healing.
You have to change thoughtprocesses.
You have to work through them,interrupt them through scripture
, counseling, therapy, innerhealing and so forth, to really
(40:51):
truly be restored.
So, zeno, thanks again forcoming on and being real.
Thanks again for coming on andbeing real.
At the end of every episode, Ialways ask my guest to share
words of encouragement to theaudience.
So I'm going to ask that youwould share some words of
encouragement to people that aretired of the fight, or perhaps
(41:12):
they know they have demons andthey're afraid to go for an
exorcism, or for people whodon't even think they have
demons because of their successin life.
I want to ask you to share somethoughts, some encouragement,
so that when the listener's done, they're going to feel inspired
from what you're sharing withthem.
Go ahead, zeno.
Share some love.
(41:33):
Give them some encouragement,man.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
I think, even being successful, you can have demons.
Satan can make you successfultoo.
So don't think he can't.
Don't always think thatsomething that's happening to
you is from God, because Satancan make things happen too, but
he's doing it for the wrongreasons and he's doing it for
bad.
So don't ever let your successgo to your head and think that
(41:59):
you don't need God or thateverything is coming from God
and if you don't know him, it'snot.
You know.
I think everybody needs to getto take a reality check on their
self and think do they reallyhave a relationship with God?
You know, the power in Jesus'sname is power.
(42:19):
You can use that power and notknow God just because of the
name, and the blood is soprecious.
You know, otherwise Jesus wouldhave never said when they come
to him and said but Lord, lord,we cast out demons in your name,
we heal the sick in your name,we raise the dead in your name.
And he turns around and saysget away from me, I do not know
(42:39):
you.
But yet they did it in Jesus'name, but he didn't know them.
The most important thing in lifeis to have a relationship with
Christ.
It's not what we do, it's noteven about who we are.
You know, my confidence came inthe bottle.
Our confidence needs to come inChrist.
So you have to continue to pray.
You know you have to pray, youhave to spend time with God, you
(43:02):
have to listen to the Biblewhether it be on an app, in your
car, on your phone reading theBible but you have to stay in
His Word and you have to realize, you know, what's more
important in life, and right now, in today's world that we live
in, the most important thing isChrist.
If we realize that it's allabout him.
It's not about us, it's notabout how much money I have or
(43:26):
if I'm married, or if I have agirlfriend or if I'm successful.
It's all about him.
God loves us unconditionally,but if we truly love Christ and
we go to him on our own and welove him, that's real love and
that's why God gives us choice.
He doesn't want a bunch ofrobots.
If Jesus was going to be temptedand if Jesus was going to be
(43:46):
hated, then why shouldn't we?
You know we have to get to aplace where and I'm still
working on this, so what I sayto you I'm still struggling with
too, and I'm still working onit myself.
I'm not sitting here sayingI've got it all perfect.
Do I have it all figured out?
Yes, am I living like I have itall figured out?
(44:06):
No, because having it allfigured out and actually doing
is two different things.
So I don't want people sittinghere thinking, well, this guy
has it all together.
No, I don't.
It's a daily struggle, it's adaily fight.
It's one thing to the next,glory, from glory to glory to
glory.
And if people think they're notworthy or they're not good
enough, look at the Bible.
The Bible's filled with greatmen that were not good enough,
(44:29):
that were not worthy, but theyalways followed Christ, they
always came back to God.
But we have to fight.
We can't let Satan destroy ourdestiny, and I don't want to get
to God, but we have to fight.
We can't let Satan destroy ourdestiny.
And I don't want to get toheaven.
And I realized that I could havehad all these blessings and I
could have had this differentlife, but I chose different.
So I didn't get all that Godhad in store for me and all that
(44:50):
God had planned for me.
And we got to remember he's notgoing to force himself on us.
We have to come to him.
Bible does say I'm not, but youhave to answer the door.
Jesus isn't going to kick itdown.
He's not going to impose hiswill.
We have to be man enough andwoman enough to follow his will.
Everything I say seems easy,but it's not.
It's easier said than done.
(45:10):
And as I speak to you, godspeaks to me and reminds me of
what I'm saying, because I'llfall short myself.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
Very good points, and the thing that stuck out to me
that you said, Zeno, was youhave all the understanding, but
you're working on implementingit.
That is where the time, effortand toil come is working on it,
applying what you know to yourlife and working through it.
So exorcism and inner healingare wonderfully beneficial, and
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myself and Zeno, we don't meanto paint the picture that it's
impossible.
It's not but we live in aculture of Christianity that has
made everybody weak spirituallyin the sense that they don't
know how to fight the devil.
They're told you don't have tofight the devil, he doesn't have
anything on you, he can't touchyou.
You're a Christian.
(46:02):
I wish it was that easy, butit's not.
It's not that easy.
You have to fight.
Welcome back everyone .
We are at episode 9.
10 is right around the corner.
This is the Blind Exorcist.
I am Justin D, your host.
Do me a favor, join the podcast, subscribe to the podcast and
share this out to family andfriends.
(00:21):
They need to hear it.
The guest that I have on today,zeno Reed.
I'm going to introduce him injust a minute, and I've been
working with Zeno now for acouple months and we're going to
pull back the curtain because Iwant you guys to understand
what's involved when it comes toactually being freed through
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exorcism in order to truly befree.
That's what we're going toexpose today.
Zeno's going to share his lifeand we're going to show you what
it takes to be free, what typeof grit you need to make it out.
This isn't simple, it's notimpossible, but it takes effort,
and so, again, we're going topull back the curtain today and
(01:06):
allow you guys to see Zeno'slife, and this is going to be
raw and real.
Zeno, thanks so much for comingon to the podcast and sharing
your life with everyone.
Welcome to the Blind Exorcist.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Thank you, great to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
You've been on quite the journey, bro.
Yeah, it's been long anddifficult it has been, and
people don't understand that.
In episode eight, you know, Iinterviewed a guest and we
talked all about trauma anddemons come into trauma and when
we first met, I dove into yourchildhood and in your childhood
(01:49):
it was not good.
It was not good.
Your father and mother nevervalidated you emotionally.
You never felt love from them.
There was a massive disconnectthere in the childhood.
Also, in high school there wasa mass amount of rejection.
So there were a lot of entrypoints for demons in your
(02:10):
childhood.
Can you take a minute, zeno,and explain the emotional pain
that you experienced from yourfather, mother and high school?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, you know a lot of people go through it, I know.
But it's when you're growing upand you are being bullied at
school and you know you think,well, I have a safe haven at
home and to find comfort.
But then when you get home it'sreally worse than it is at
school because you're lookingfor that comfort but you're
(02:43):
getting told you're worthless,you're dumb, you're nothing,
you're never amount to anything,you're never going to make it,
you're useless.
As a child growing up, youfinally start believing it when
you hear it enough, and I thinkthat also carries over into your
adult life and you have a hardtime trusting people, which
affects your relationships thatyou get into, whether it be a
(03:07):
friend or somebody you're dating, and I mean it's just a whole
lot of.
You know a lot of pain.
You're trying to always find away out.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
You're trying to always find comfort or
acceptance when truly you don'teven accept yourself, when truly
you don't even accept yourselfBecause of the rejection,
because of being rejected as whoyou were in high school, being
rejected as to who you were byyour parents.
(03:37):
One way of coping with that isyou eventually got into lifting
weights.
You got into pursuing wrestlingprofessionally and also boxing.
So as a way of coping with thepain of the rejection and again
I get into this in episode eight, trauma Demons listen to it if
(03:57):
you haven't, but Zeno in yourcase as a way of dealing with
the pain of rejection, you weregoing to become something.
You were going to be big.
You got big.
You lifted, you bulked up, youbecame very big.
You pursued wrestlingprofessionally and boxing.
Tell us a little bit about that, how you use these alternative
(04:19):
identities to be something inyour mind.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
You know, because of the fighting and everything at
school, I quit school at 16, gotinto a gym, started working out
, lost weight I think I weighedlike 260 at the time and I
dropped down to 175.
Went to move to Florida at 17and started training at a
(04:46):
wrestling school there calledSkullcrushers Wrestling School.
The trainer was an old legendprofessional wrestler named
Adrian Street.
He was originally from England.
He had wrestled.
He was real popular in the 70sand the 80s.
You know, got there, but at 17,.
Everybody else was way olderthan you.
(05:08):
So you have no choice but togrow up.
So your childhood, your teenyears are actually taken away
because that's done, because youhave to start being a man and
not being a child.
You got out of wrestling school, came back home the following
week I actually went back toFlorida for my first wrestling
(05:29):
match, realized that I wasn'tbig enough to do this.
So I actually lost 10 morepounds while I was in Florida
training and I weighed 165 whenI came back home.
So I had buddies that workedout at the gym that were big and
did bodybuilding and theyturned me on to steroids and I
kept working out, started takingsteroids at 18 years old and
(05:53):
put on about 30 pounds of musclein three months, kept working
out, kept doing steroids and Irealized and found confidence in
the bottle that I was injecting.
You know, people can say whatthey want to say, but steroids
does alter your mind.
I went from being shy andwithdrawn to very outgoing,
(06:13):
outspoken and aggressive.
I did that for I guess aboutfive years.
I was on straight.
I never really came off.
I stayed on and you're supposedto kind of cycle on, cycle off,
but I didn't.
And the bigger I got, thebetter I looked, the more I
wanted to, the more I took.
So my life became involved intraining.
Every day, all you know, two,three hours go into the gym,
(06:37):
work out, do and then I'd comeback to cardio.
You know, eating seven times aday, all my meals prepped,
eating healthy, drinking nothingbut water, and then I would
wrestle on weekends.
So I was always on the road,always traveling.
That started that journey.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Well, at a certain point in time, you were arrested
for selling steroids and had todo some prison time.
Tell us about that Now.
The reason I bring this out isthis is raw and real.
This is not even scratching thesurface of some of the things
that Zeno's been in before.
He was sitting across from meon a Zoom meeting and we started
(07:18):
working together.
Tell us about tell thelisteners about your prison time
.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
When you wrestle and people think that it's all that.
All they see is glitz andglamour and they think all these
wrestlers are rich and they'renot.
A lot of people don't see whatthey go through to get to the
WWE or TNA or AEW.
You know, back then for me itwas WWF, which is now WWE, it
(07:43):
was WCW and ECW, and you don'tmake a lot of money.
When you're on the road youmake like $20 a match if you're
lucky, and that barely coversgas to get to the next show.
But you continue to do it.
You're hoping that a scout fromsome big company will actually
be at the show, take a look atyou and sign you to a contract,
(08:05):
and that very rarely happens.
But you continue to put yourbody through the abuse to just
to make it.
And a lot of people don't seethat side of wrestling.
They just think that somebodyjust came up into the WWE and
they're a millionaire.
And that's not how it works.
And even if you're in the WWE,a lot of those guys still don't
make a lot of money.
I mean, sure, they make morethan $20, but there's only a
(08:27):
handful that are actuallymillionaires.
So in order to compensate formoney, I started running
steroids from Mexico into theUnited States and being
wrestlers.
We would have pictures.
So we would autograph ourpictures because wrestling was
huge in Mexico and we would bestanding there taking pictures
(08:51):
with feather alleys with theirmachine gun and we would sign
autographs for them while theywere searching our vehicle to
see if there was anythingillegal in there.
But fortunately, dogs can'tsmell steroids, so there was no
chance that the dog that theywere using could search and
figure out that we had steroidsin the van that we were in.
Then we would get back to theUnited States.
We would sell it to wrestlers,bodybuilders, cops, firemen,
(09:15):
anybody that wanted to buy it.
There was a lot of people thatdo it, so we had no problem
moving product and making moneythat kept us going so we could
continue to wrestle and not haveto worry about the finance part
of it.
Plus, we were getting our stufffor free, basically because we
were paying for it so cheapthere.
I did that for about five years,decided to get out of it, so I
(09:37):
was out of it for about twoyears.
The guy that I was doing itwith decided to continue to do
it and a guy that we knew gotbusted.
So he set my friend up and thenin return my friend turned
around and set people up and Iwas one of them.
So I got arrested fortrafficking $60,000 worth of
steroids that was the streetvalue for then.
(10:00):
They wanted to know everythingthat I knew and who I sold to
and everything else.
And I wasn't telling themanything because if I was going
to go to prison that I knew andwho I sold to and everything
else and I wasn't telling themanything because if I was going
to go to prison I wasn't goingto go to prison being a snitch.
I ended up getting arrested in98.
I didn't get sentenced until 99.
Almost did prison time.
I ended up getting a five-yearsuspended sentence, three-year
supervised probation.
(10:21):
I was on probation, had tocheck in with a probation
officer.
I had to pay a fine.
I think the fine was probablyaround like $3,000 or $4,000.
I was actually on probation fora year and a half and I got off
.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
This is amazing.
All of this stems from thetrauma in your childhood, the
rejection.
This is what's amazing to me,client after client after client
, that I meet with their successin life where they're at all.
I can't say all, but a lot goesback to the traumas.
I'm going to be somebody, I'mgoing to matter.
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So the rejection in your casinobrought you into this lifestyle
of steroids.
Massively huge body you havebeen with in your lifetime was
to try to find love andvalidation, and that all goes
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back to the rejection as a child.
And so demons are entering you.
Well, I mean, you were bornwith demons.
We discovered this during oursessions but you had demons put
in you through your parents.
You had demons enter you throughthe steroids the rage and anger
, and also all of the women thatyou slept with.
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You know people laugh when Isay this and it is funny, but we
call them STDs sexuallytransmitted demons.
Anyone you sleep with outsideof marriage you will get demons
period.
So, zeno, as I'm sharing thisreflection on your life, in the
core of these life decisions,you know the survival skills
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that you had to pick up mostpeople through trauma, trying to
prove that there's somebody,they pick up very dysfunctional
coping mechanisms, which demonslove to enter through.
So, for example, alcoholism,drugs, sleeping around like
crazy, whatever it is gambling,anger, rage.
Whatever the coping mechanismis, it's a survival skill, but
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it's not healthy and demonsenter through it.
As I'm sharing and reflectingback on this, though, what are
your thoughts when you hear this?
That all of this really doesroot back to your childhood and
the rejection.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
I mean it's hard to believe and when I tell my story
to people it even gets to bekind of it even gets to be hard
to believe for me that that I,that I did everything I've done
in life.
And you know, being 46 yearsold, you know I've done more
than a lot of people.
You know just where I've been.
You know being rejected in highschool.
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You know being overweight, notbeing able to get a date to
going from that to I had gottento 192 pounds, all muscle.
You know 32 inch waist, 57 inchchest.
You know I went from wearingbig, oversized, baggy clothes to
wearing really tight jeans,tight shirts to show off the
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muscles.
And you know the attention thatyou end up getting from women,
the attention that you end upgetting from women.
But then you know you have alot of trust issues.
That comes up with that too,because then you end up dating
and then they end up cheating onyou.
So then you end up believingthat every woman is going to
cheat or every woman is bad.
You have that perception andthen you just say the heck with
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it.
You know why date.
Just go out here, find somebody, get what you want from them
and move on and I would go outhere.
I'd find girls I'd go out with,I would have sex and, you know,
move on.
Whether they wanted to or not,I was done.
You've learned to use women tocope with rejection.
And you know, then it was likeif I got rejected I didn't care
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because I already slept with you.
So who cares if you're rejected, you're in the spotlight.
People think you're famous.
Women's going to throwthemselves at you anyway.
So you have no issue getting,you know, going to bed with
somebody.
You don't have a hard timegetting sex.
When Satan gets involved, youreally don't have a hard time
getting sex because he's alwaysthrowing gorgeous women in front
of you.
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And you know, I always telleverybody anyway I'm not like to
me, I'm not like the greatestlooking guy in the world, but I
had no problem getting womenonce I got in shape and got out
of high school and, you know,started wrestling.
But then you kind of realizethat there's something missing
in your life.
You know of God but you don'tknow him and you're always
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looking for something in thewrong places.
And you know you find out thatif you don't love the woman
you're with, you're really onlysatisfying for however long
you're having sex and then,after the sex is over with,
you're still empty and you'restill searching is over with.
You're still empty and you'restill searching.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yes, what you're saying is so true, not just for
women, but for any copingmechanism.
You're never happy becauseyou're not healed.
You're emotionally broken.
You're a broken person.
You know the trauma that you'veexperienced has never been
healed.
So in Zeno's case, you'repicking up women to cope with
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wrestling and steroids, andthere's a price to pay for these
coping mechanisms that areunhealthy.
The price is your soul, meaningyour mind, your emotions, your
thoughts and your body.
You get demons.
You know the devil.
The kingdom of darknessoperates on its own law.
You know the devil, the kingdomof darkness operates on its own
law legislation, and it'ssimple Pleasure to death.
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That's it.
He'll give you as much pleasureas you want until you die and
he takes you to hell.
And in Zeno's case it was givehim as many women as he wants.
He's even admitted it.
He's not the best looking guy.
It doesn't make logical sensewhy he's getting all these women
, because he's been targeted.
He's been targeted by the devil.
Well, why would the deviltarget him?
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Because Zeno has a destiny forGod, for the kingdom, and so do
you.
God created your spirit, putyou in your body and you're here
with a kingdom purpose.
So you know a lot of peoplethey'd never complete their
destiny for God because they'recaught trying to heal themselves
through dysfunctional patterns.
To handle their trauma and Imentioned this in episode eight
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trauma demons.
Some people do it through work,money and success.
Look at me I matter.
That's all that's at the rootof it.
It's so sad and the whole timethey're striving and thrashing
for money, success, whatever itis you're striving and thrashing
for, they're never going to getit.
They will never feel the lovethey're searching for because
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they're broken so they've neverbeen healed.
So you got a broken foundationand you're trying to build on
that foundation throughdysfunctional thought processes.
If I get enough women, I matter.
If I get enough money, I matter.
If I sell enough books, Imatter.
If I get enough clients, Imatter.
Whatever it is, it'sdysfunctional and it causes
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people to be infested withdemons.
And then they have all thissuccess, in whatever area they
have, but yet they're alwaysfighting depression and suicide.
Don't even understand why.
Because they're broken.
You know they have what theythought they wanted, but it's
not enough.
They got to get more.
So in Zeno's case, instead of100 women he wanted 200, then
300, then 400, whatever thenumber is.
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It doesn't matter what it is.
It's never enough becauseyou're broken.
The only way to have enough isto be healed emotionally through
the Holy Spirit, inner healingand expulsion of your demons.
Which brings me to my nextpoint.
Let's dive into your exorcism.
So, zeno, when you came to me,you filled out an intake
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question.
I always have every client dothat because I use analysis to
look for demonic entry points ina person.
So when those intake questionsare completed, I'm reading over
like a forensic, spiritualforensic scientist, dusting for
demonic fingerprints and looking, researching.
We're trained under Dr Larsonto understand what demons enter
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through miscellaneous traumasand occultic practices.
His approach is very clinical.
This is why I appreciate it.
It's not you know, hey, youknow pray and jump around and
smack tambourines and say comeout in the name of Jesus and
you're free.
We are clinical in our approach.
Plus we are fully led by theHoly Spirit in our approach,
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plus we are fully led by theHoly Spirit.
So when I looked over yourintake questions, first thing I
noticed relationship with yourfather bad.
Relationship with your motherbad.
There we go.
There's going to be some traumathere and plus all of the
sexual activity there was a lotthere.
So when we first started workingtogether, zeno, and we started
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working through your traumas andyour issues, you know you had
been to an exorcism beforecoming to me, which Dr Larson's
coined deliverance light, whichis that you know, hey, the
Lord's telling me you got fear,or renounce some things and then
come out in the name of Jesus,or renounce some things and then
come out in the name of Jesus,and it's kind of like quick,
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like people literally believethat you know they can just come
for a deliverance and theirlife's bing magically fixed, the
demons are all gone, they don'thave to deal with any of their
traumas.
That's where the demons are.
So you're coming to me andwe're starting to get in your
traumas and I remember you saidto me, zeno, especially after
our first session where demonsmanifested in you, we got to a
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root curse, they were expelled.
And I remember you said to mewow, like this was nothing like
what I went through previously.
This is going deep, very deepand this feels like an actual
exorcism.
You were kind of taken back bythat because initially I think
in your mind you thought thiswould kind of be a quick fix and
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you'd be able to get out thereand get into evangelism and get
into exorcism and helping people.
But you know, even outside ofyou know our sessions, there's
been a tremendous amount of toiland grind on your part, first
of all, to figure out who youare.
You know, for years you werethe wrestler.
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Then you got into boxing, soyou were the boxer, and once we
started casting these demons outthrough the authority of Christ
, those identities dropped offand now you were faced with the
fact of who am.
I Tell us a little bit aboutthat.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
You really don't know who you are.
You know you're rejected somuch in life you kind of you
want to escape reality.
You want to escape who you are,and you know, pro wrestling was
a way of doing that.
Whether I would be in the ringfor 10 minutes or I'd be in the
ring for 30 minutes, howeverlong the match was, I wasn't me,
I wasn't Zeno, I was thecharacter that I portrayed in
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wrestling.
And you think about okay, well,it's not Zeno that people are
coming up and asking forautographs, it's the wrestling
character.
Is whose autograph that theywant?
You have to portray a characterin wrestling, whether it's a
bad guy, a good guy or whatever.
But when you're wrestling andyou're in that spotlight, you
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feel like you're superhuman.
You feel like you're acelebrity, a star, and you like
what you're becoming.
So then you start and I knowthat there's so many wrestlers
that this has happened to butyou start being that character
outside of the ring too, becauseyou like that guy more than you
like yourself.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
That's amazing and you know it's what so many
people do.
Even if it's an executive for acompany, they hide behind that.
Even if it's a fitnessinstructor with the perfect body
, they're hiding behind thatbecause you know the traumas
have not been dealt with, thedemons have not been expelled,
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and you know this is a trap andpeople get addicted to that, to
the illusion that they finallymatter, to the illusion that I'm
worth something and the wholetime you are in the eyes of God.
But you have demons, you havetrauma, you're a broken person,
you're not emotionally well andit's so easy for people to hide
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behind in your case, wrestling.
It doesn't matter what it isLike.
There are Christian ministersthat are completely broken out
there with wildly successfulministries, but inside they're
broken, they've never beenhealed from trauma and they have
demons.
You know this is what happens.
This is a lot of my ministrywith people when they sit across
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from me is okay, let's workthrough these traumas and let's
figure out get you healed up inthese areas, get rid of the
demons, and then comes thelifestyle change.
People don't understand thegrind to change lifestyle and
thought patterns.
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What I mean by lifestyle changethrow the vape pen away, quit
smoking pot, cut off toxicrelationships, kick the
boyfriend out.
We're not living in sin anymore.
You know this type of stuff Notsupporting family members
financially all the time, notbeing the rescuer in that
dysfunctional codependent bondwhere you're going to run in and
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rescue so that you feel thatyou matter and get validated.
You know all this kind ofreprogramming of your thinking.
You've got to think Christ-likeand retrain your thinking
through the Word of God.
And it's intense because foryears you've reinforced patterns
of dysfunction and demons andwhen the demons are removed, the
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dysfunctional thought patternsare still there.
And, zeno, even right now youare wrestling pun intended with
this situation of you have a lotof patterns in your mind still
that have been reinforced foryears.
The demons are gone but thepatterns are still there and
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you're having to fight throughthose patterns through quoting
the Word, resisting, rebukingthe devil and fighting.
Can you share with thelisteners your experience of
this?
You know, retraining yourselfto think correctly about
yourself through the Word of Godand fighting the enemy in the
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areas that you've been freedfrom.
I mean, you've been freed froma lot of things and the devil
keeps coming around, knocking onthe door there, trying to get
back in and you have to fightand resist.
So can you explain to thelisteners what has this grind
been like for you?
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Well, you know one.
It feels like you're in a tugof war.
You know it feels like you'vegot God pulling you on one side
and Satan pulling you from theother.
A lot of times I feel like I'mjust being torn apart and you
know what's right and you knowwhat to do.
But what people need tounderstand is if you fall, it
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doesn't mean that you failed andit's over and God's not there
and Satan's won.
That's not what that means.
It means you turn around, yourealize what happened, you ask
for forgiveness and you move on.
You have to fight.
I mean, people say well, theythink that if you do nothing,
satan's going to go away.
No, satan's not going to leaveyou alone, especially if you
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know what to do and if you'recalled, he's really not going to
leave you alone.
You know there's a verse in theBible that says many are called
but few are chosen, and I neverreally quite understood what
that meant up until recently.
And for me it means thatthere's a lot of people that are
called by God, but there arevery few that actually accept
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that call and they don't want togo through the war that it
takes to become what they needto be and you have to fight.
And it's daily.
You know.
Again, jesus said pick up yourcross and follow me.
You've got to pick up yourcross daily.
He said daily.
For a reason he doesn't saypick up your cross once and it's
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done and over with.
And you know, I've had peopletell me that demons are not
active today, and I don't knowwhat Bible they're reading.
But there's nowhere in theBible where Jesus said I have
permanently defeated Satan anddemons and it's over with.
It was only for my time and I'mdone.
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You know, I believe that hetook back the authority,
conquered death and took thekeys to the kingdom of hell, but
he didn't throw Satan away.
So he's very much active todayand there are demons that are
very much active today andpeople need to realize that.
You can look at the world andsee that Satan is more active
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now than he's ever been.
People's eyes are open and theystart realizing what's going on.
They're always going to bewalking around defeated and as
Christians we have to get out ofthat defeated mindset.
We're not supposed to walkaround defeated, you know.
But you have people that saywell, if God was such a loving
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God, why does he condemn peopleto hell?
Well, he doesn't.
You condemn yourself to hell.
In the Bible he says clearly Igive you a choice blessings or
curses, life or death.
Choose life.
He tells you what to do, but wechoose to follow the path of
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destruction or we choose tofollow Christ.
But it's not God that condemnsyou to hell, it's us that
condemns us to hell.
You know, people don't want torealize that Satan has them so
fogged up that they don'trealize that Satan is the God of
this world.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
You know, in the Bible, when Jesus was tempted
now we all know Jesus is God hecould have done anything he
wanted.
But when Jesus was tempted bySatan in the Bible, he did not
come out and tell Satan.
When Satan said I will give youall the kingdoms of the world.
Well, if Jesus had defeatedSatan, why would Jesus not argue
with Satan and say no, satan,I'm God, you can't do that?
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Because Jesus knew that Satancould give him all the kingdoms
of the world.
What did Jesus do?
He defeated Satan by quotingscripture.
You know he didn't say no,satan, you can't give me these
kingdoms because I'm God.
He fought.
He fought, he fought.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
You've been fighting a lot.
You had the hypochondria.
Every itch you had was going tokill you.
Every tingle you had, everypain in the chest you had was
going to kill you.
Those demons were expelled, butthe thought patterns are still
there and other demons that arestill in you that we'll get rid
of eventually.
They're trying to press intothat area because it's war.
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You drew a line in the sandwhen you came for an exorcism.
You said devil, I see you, Iknow you, you know me, it's on,
this is war.
And so, for quite a while, oneof the areas of your life that's
been targeted is thishypochondria.
And you have had to fight otherpeople.
It's pornography.
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They have to fight, it's not.
You know, the Bible says toresist the devil.
Resisting means just exactlywhat it means.
Man.
You're putting forth emotionaleffort, You're fighting.
This isn't hey.
I got the demons out and now Inever have to fight.
Praise God, I'm free and I canlive happily ever after.
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You will live happily everafter, but you're always going
to have to fight.
Christianity is a lifestyle offighting.
If you want to be serious aboutit and get freed from your
demons, you're going to have tofight to be serious about it and
get freed from your demons.
You're going to have to fight.
Explain to the people some ofthe torment that the devil's
been putting on you with thehypochondria, and also explain
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to the people how you have beenfighting back and kicking the
devil's butt through theauthority of Christ.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
It gets hard sometimes and never been
diagnosed with heart disease,never been diagnosed with
anything major or anything bad.
You put your body through somuch and I put my body through
so much through wrestling,through being slammed on my back
, being slammed and dropped onmy neck the problem you know, on
the back of my shoulders, myneck, having all this happen to
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me, and you know, of course,satan is going to come in and
make you feel like, well, nowyou're going to have a heart
attack.
You know the trauma from my dadpassing away at 54 of a massive
heart attack and I was 26 whenhe died.
You know, threw me into alwaysworrying about my heart, always
worrying about having a heartattack.
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You know, again, had the EKGs,had the stress test done, doctor
telling me there's nothingwrong with me, but even
physically, on paper, whenyou're fine and medically
healthy, everybody says you'regood, satan is still going to
attack that area becauseeverything that he does is
focused on keeping you fromfocusing on Christ and focusing
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on your destiny.
And he knows that if he cancause a problem with you,
between you and your wife,between you and your girlfriend,
your health, whatever it is, hecan make you focus on something
You're not focused on Christ.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
You're going to the doctors because of the fear.
You're working through thisright.
This is an area that we'reworking on currently.
Through exorcism, we're gettingrid of the demons.
There's still some more we'regoing to need to work on, but
you're at a level of freedomwhere now you're fighting.
You're fighting these things.
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You're understanding that thisis an area, this fear of death
from your father having theheart attack.
The devil knows that.
This is an area that he canattack you in, and I always tell
people the devil backs off whenhe realizes he's not going to
get anywhere with you.
So your attacks are daily, thenit's weekly, every two weeks, a
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month and every six months orwhatever you know, because if
he's not getting anywhere, butin your case you're in the heat
of battle, you're grindingthrough this.
You are fully engaged inspiritual warfare.
You are fighting demons.
Can you tell the listenerspractically what are the tools
and techniques?
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Just like in wrestling you hadtools and techniques you use,
but spiritually, how are youfighting these demons?
Give them practical advice.
How can someone fight demons?
They honestly don't know.
Listen all churches in Americaand around the world.
They don't even give people thenuts and bolts on how to fight
their enemy.
They don't understand theirenemy and in fact, in some ways,
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you're learning how to fighttheir enemy.
They don't understand theirenemy and in fact, in some ways,
you're learning how to fight,and that's very common with a
lot of the clients that I workwith.
They don't know how to fightthe devil.
They've never been trained.
This is war, zeno.
Can you tell them practicallyhow are you doing this?
You mentioned quoting the Biblescriptures, but what else?
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I always thought that boxing, I was going to become a
famous boxer and make a lot ofmoney and everything else.
And it's like God said to me.
He said I didn't want you tolearn how to box because I want
you to be a boxer.
I want you to learn how to boxso you can learn how to fight,
and he was talking aboutfighting spiritually.
How to box so you can learn howto fight, and he was talking
about fighting spiritually.
You can look at a lot ofaspects in boxing and you can
put a spiritual punch to it.
Per se.
How do we fight?
We can't physically fightsomething we can't see, but we
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know it's there.
You know the demons are there.
You've never seen the wind, butyou know the wind is there
because you feel it.
So how do you fight somethingthat you can't see standing in
front of you?
You have to fight by Scripture.
So you have to quote Scripture.
You know, one of the biggest isI shall not die but live and
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tell of all the good works ofJesus Christ.
You know he forgave all myiniquities.
He healed all my diseases.
I cried unto God for help andhe healed me by his stripes.
I am healed.
Greater is he who is in me thanhe who is in the world.
You have to fight like Jesusfought.
You have to quote scripture.
So I look at it and it'ssomething that I don't do all
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the time, and when I don't do it, all the time I get beat up.
But you have to get to thatplace where you do what Jesus
did.
How did Jesus combat Satan?
It wasn't an uppercut and aleft hook, it was.
It is written and he quoted andSatan left him.
So if my Jesus and your Jesuscan combat Satan that way, then
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it was good enough for him, thenit should be good enough for us
.
And you have to get that mindset.
Okay, well, I have a painDoesn't mean I'm dying.
You have to not let Satan getin with his thought Well,
there's a pain in your chest,you must be having a heart
attack.
You know you have to get out ofthat.
You have to get in the word.
And you know and Jessa wasright you know churches don't
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preach that man.
Pastors nowadays are weak andtheir congregation is weak
because of them, because they'renot leading the sheep like they
should be leading.
You don't hardly hear pastorspreach on demons.
They're scared of them.
I always ask myself thequestion how can a man of God be
afraid of a demon?
You're a man of God and theyare afraid of them.
I always ask myself thequestion how can a man of God be
afraid of a demon?
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Amen, you're a man of God.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
And they are afraid of them.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
They are afraid of them, they're scared.
Then you don't hear pastorstalk about the blood of Christ
Ever you know.
Jesus said come as you are.
But the problem is, because ofthe church and the leadership,
people come as they are and theyleave the same way.
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There's no possible way thatyou can truly meet the true
Christ and not be transformed.
So if you're not going to achurch and you're not being
different and you're nottransformed, you're not meeting
the real Jesus and who's notshowing you the real Jesus?
Pastors of these churches.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Yeah, but let me jump in here.
A lot of times people, jesus,like you're saying, says come as
you are.
They go, they get saved, butthey leave the same because they
need an exorcism.
And as we all know most of usthis might be new to some of you
listeners.
You know most Christianchurches in America.
I mean, they don't even believeChristians can have demons.
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Back to your point.
Zeno Christ had to resist,emotionally resist Satan, and so
do we.
So maybe it's you're addictedto X.
Whatever X is, you know, itdoesn't matter what it is.
In order to get out of that,you must fight, and fighting
means speaking out your mouth.
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I resist you, satan, throughthe blood of Jesus Christ.
I rebuke you, satan, in thename of Jesus Christ.
This is conflict, this is war,this is grit we're stabbing in
the spirit realm.
I rebuke you in the name ofJesus Christ.
I resist you through the bloodof Jesus Christ.
No weapon formed against meshall prosper, no evil shall
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befall me, no plague come nighmy dwelling.
Greater is he that's in me thanhe that's in the world.
You're a liar Satan.
I resist you through the bloodof Christ.
I rebuke you.
Go from me now to the pit.
This is what we're talking about, folks, and this is for every
dysfunctional thought patternyou have.
It takes time to crawl out ofthis.
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For Zeno, it's the fear ofdeath.
For others, who knows?
Whatever it is, I don't matter.
Woe is me.
You know, I could have tookthat on as a blind man.
I'm not normal anymore.
No one will ever love me, youknow, just depressed sitting
around, I don't, I don't matter.
All demons, all lies, alldysfunction, shake it off, get
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exercise, get rid of them,demons, man, and start fighting.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Start fighting yeah, I mean you have to fight.
You know, I remember watching aum.
I remember watching a boxingmatch one time where two guys
got in the ring.
They they got to the corner inthe middle of the ring for their
face-off while the referee gaveinstructions.
They both went back to theircorners for the bell to ring for
them to start the fight and oneof the guys, right when the
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bell rang, he turns around andgets out of the ring and goes
back to the locker room becausehe was so scared of the guy that
he was fixing the fight that hewanted nothing to do with it.
And I feel like, no matter whattraining you have, you have the
creator of the universe in yourcorner as your coach, as your
trainer, and you get into thering with this big demon, you
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get ready to fight, you know,you know what to do, you know
you have the weapons to defeathim and you turn around and get
out of the ring and go back tothe locker room and then your
opponent wins by default becauseyou just leave.
And I think so many Christiansgo up against these demons, get
scared and turn around and walkaway, and I have been involved
in doing that my whole life,when you have the one that
(39:54):
created the world right there inyour corner.
And that's why I said thatthere's no reason for a man of
God to be afraid of a demon,because if they're true men of
God, they've got God in theircorner.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Amen.
Well, so you know I think I'mgoing to call it a wrap.
We've covered a lot ofterritory here.
Thank you so much for being rawand real man, for kind of
pulling the curtain back andletting listeners know what's
involved to get free and stayfree.
Grit, fight can't be weak.
(40:27):
Oh, I don't want to fight today, I'm tired.
Don't matter, you got to fight.
That's what this is, especiallynow that we're in the last days
.
So there is effort in exorcismand inner healing.
You have to change thoughtprocesses.
You have to work through them,interrupt them through scripture
, counseling, therapy, innerhealing and so forth, to really
(40:51):
truly be restored.
So, zeno, thanks again forcoming on and being real.
Thanks again for coming on andbeing real.
At the end of every episode, Ialways ask my guest to share
words of encouragement to theaudience.
So I'm going to ask that youwould share some words of
encouragement to people that aretired of the fight, or perhaps
(41:12):
they know they have demons andthey're afraid to go for an
exorcism, or for people whodon't even think they have
demons because of their successin life.
I want to ask you to share somethoughts, some encouragement,
so that when the listener's done, they're going to feel inspired
from what you're sharing withthem.
Go ahead, zeno.
Share some love.
(41:33):
Give them some encouragement,man.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
I think, even being successful, you can have demons.
Satan can make you successfultoo.
So don't think he can't.
Don't always think thatsomething that's happening to
you is from God, because Satancan make things happen too, but
he's doing it for the wrongreasons and he's doing it for
bad.
So don't ever let your successgo to your head and think that
(41:59):
you don't need God or thateverything is coming from God
and if you don't know him, it'snot.
You know.
I think everybody needs to getto take a reality check on their
self and think do they reallyhave a relationship with God?
You know, the power in Jesus'sname is power.
(42:19):
You can use that power and notknow God just because of the
name, and the blood is soprecious.
You know, otherwise Jesus wouldhave never said when they come
to him and said but Lord, lord,we cast out demons in your name,
we heal the sick in your name,we raise the dead in your name.
And he turns around and saysget away from me, I do not know
(42:39):
you.
But yet they did it in Jesus'name, but he didn't know them.
The most important thing in lifeis to have a relationship with
Christ.
It's not what we do, it's noteven about who we are.
You know, my confidence came inthe bottle.
Our confidence needs to come inChrist.
So you have to continue to pray.
You know you have to pray, youhave to spend time with God, you
(43:02):
have to listen to the Biblewhether it be on an app, in your
car, on your phone reading theBible but you have to stay in
His Word and you have to realize, you know, what's more
important in life, and right now, in today's world that we live
in, the most important thing isChrist.
If we realize that it's allabout him.
It's not about us, it's notabout how much money I have or
(43:26):
if I'm married, or if I have agirlfriend or if I'm successful.
It's all about him.
God loves us unconditionally,but if we truly love Christ and
we go to him on our own and welove him, that's real love and
that's why God gives us choice.
He doesn't want a bunch ofrobots.
If Jesus was going to be temptedand if Jesus was going to be
(43:46):
hated, then why shouldn't we?
You know we have to get to aplace where and I'm still
working on this, so what I sayto you I'm still struggling with
too, and I'm still working onit myself.
I'm not sitting here sayingI've got it all perfect.
Do I have it all figured out?
Yes, am I living like I have itall figured out?
(44:06):
No, because having it allfigured out and actually doing
is two different things.
So I don't want people sittinghere thinking, well, this guy
has it all together.
No, I don't.
It's a daily struggle, it's adaily fight.
It's one thing to the next,glory, from glory to glory to
glory.
And if people think they're notworthy or they're not good
enough, look at the Bible.
The Bible's filled with greatmen that were not good enough,
(44:29):
that were not worthy, but theyalways followed Christ, they
always came back to God.
But we have to fight.
We can't let Satan destroy ourdestiny, and I don't want to get
to God, but we have to fight.
We can't let Satan destroy ourdestiny.
And I don't want to get toheaven.
And I realized that I could havehad all these blessings and I
could have had this differentlife, but I chose different.
So I didn't get all that Godhad in store for me and all that
(44:50):
God had planned for me.
And we got to remember he's notgoing to force himself on us.
We have to come to him.
Bible does say I'm not, but youhave to answer the door.
Jesus isn't going to kick itdown.
He's not going to impose hiswill.
We have to be man enough andwoman enough to follow his will.
Everything I say seems easy,but it's not.
It's easier said than done.
(45:10):
And as I speak to you, godspeaks to me and reminds me of
what I'm saying, because I'llfall short myself.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
Very good points, and the thing that stuck out to me
that you said, Zeno, was youhave all the understanding, but
you're working on implementingit.
That is where the time, effortand toil come is working on it,
applying what you know to yourlife and working through it.
So exorcism and inner healingare wonderfully beneficial, and
(45:41):
myself and Zeno, we don't meanto paint the picture that it's
impossible.
It's not but we live in aculture of Christianity that has
made everybody weak spirituallyin the sense that they don't
know how to fight the devil.
They're told you don't have tofight the devil, he doesn't have
anything on you, he can't touchyou.
You're a Christian.
(46:02):
I wish it was that easy, butit's not.
It's not that easy.
You have to fight.
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