September 16, 2025 • 46 mins
A highly trained trauma therapist sits across from a Christian client—when suddenly, a demonic manifestation erupts in her counseling office.
In this episode of The Blind Exorcist, I sit down with Rachel, a licensed trauma therapist and fellow exorcist, to explore the powerful connection between mental health, deliverance ministry, and spiritual warfare. Her incredible journey began in communist Romania, where her father was murdered for his Christian faith. After escaping to America, Rachel pursued multiple degrees and eventually combined professional counseling with biblical deliverance to help Christians experience true freedom from demonic oppression.
📌 What you’ll discover in this episode:
✅ The real story of a Christian client who manifested a demon during a therapy session
✅ Why the Western church dangerously teaches that Christians cannot have demons—and how this false belief keeps people in bondage
✅ How demons magnify trauma and genetic weaknesses, fueling cycles of anxiety, addiction, and depression
✅ Why true healing often requires a multifaceted approach: therapy, biblical deliverance, and sometimes medication
Rachel shares powerful testimonies of two Christian clients: a suicidal man completely healed after just three sessions, and a young woman freed from occult entanglements who now passionately follows Jesus.
This conversation will challenge everything you’ve been taught about spiritual warfare and show what it truly takes to break free through Jesus Christ.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Blind Exorcist.
This is episode 35, and I wantto say thank you so much, my
friend, for tuning back in and,if you're new to the podcast,
welcome.
Today I have something that I'mvery, very excited about.
(00:22):
I am going to be interviewingRachel Now.
She's coming on to the podcastanonymously and here's why she
is a therapist highly educatedWe'll get into her education
later on but she's also acertified exorcist, so this is a
magnificent combination of boththerapy and deliverance
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ministry.
What a combination.
So our conversation is basicallya coffee conversation, right?
We're sitting around discussingcertain things around this, and
I invite you, grab your coffee,pull up a chair, sit down and
listen in.
You're going to get a lot outof this.
So, for example, we're going totalk about why Christians can
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have demons.
We're going to talk about theimportance of therapy in
addition to deliverance.
We're going to give severalcase examples, client examples
of people we've worked with,case examples, client examples
of people we've worked with.
But, even more importantly,we're going to talk about how or
why the Western church getsthis so dangerously wrong that
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Christians cannot have demons.
Why is that?
Why do they believe this?
We're going to flush this outin this episode as well.
We're going to talk about herhistory.
She's actually from Romania andcame to America when she was 13
years old, so there's a lot ofawesome, exciting information.
This episode is veryencouraging.
(01:59):
So if you're kind of feelingdown, beaten up in life, you, my
friend, have tuned in to theperfect episode Tons of
inspiration and encouragementthroughout this episode.
So I would encourage you, whenyou're finished listening to
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this, to text this to a familymember, a friend, and tell them
to check it out.
They're also going to get a lotof their questions answered and
also find inspiration as well.
The last thing I'd like to askbefore we jump in here is could
you please consider and I knowyou guys get this all the time,
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so thank you for those of youwho actually do this next
request Could you considerrating the podcast on the Apple
podcast platform?
This helps people find it andthey need to hear this.
There's so much here for peopleto learn.
It's very educational, as youguys know, and it's also
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encouraging.
So to do that it's notdifficult.
You open up the podcast app onyour iPhone, tap on search type
in the Blind Exorcist and you'llsee TBE logo.
It's this blue and white logo.
Just tap on that and on thenext screen, scroll down clear
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to the bottom and you'll seereview and you can tap on leave
a review where you can rate itfrom one to five and type a
little description of what youget out of the podcast to help
people understand it.
And, you know, join in thefamily here.
So thank you so much forconsidering doing that.
I really appreciate it.
So, without any further ado,let's go ahead and jump into
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this conversation with Racheland buckle up, get ready.
You, my friend, are going to beinspired, encouraged and get a
lot of questions answered.
Let's go, rachel.
Welcome to the Blind Exorcist.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Thank you so much for inviting me, and I'm really
looking forward to thisopportunity to give testimony
about what God did in my life.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Amen, I'm very excited as well, and so this is
going to be a really good coffeeconversation.
We're going to kick around somereally good ideas to challenge
your thinking as you listen.
So, Rachel, let me come over toyou.
You originally lived in Romaniaand at 13 years old, you came
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over to America.
Let's talk a little bit.
What was your life like inRomania before you came to
America?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yes, so I lived in the 1970s and 1980s in Romania
under the communist regime ofCeaușescu, and growing up was a
very different world from the UScurrently.
I lived with my grandma and Iwas not able to see my parents
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very often because the communistgovernment placed them so far
away in their work that theycouldn't actually take care of
me, so I had to live with mygrandma and then they would come
and visit me.
Also, I was a minority livingin Romania and as a minority we
got a lot of persecution for whowe were and our culture.
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And then also we gotpersecution because we were
Christian and my grandma and Iused to go to church, but my
parents couldn't go to churchbecause they would have lost
their jobs.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
That sounds extremely challenging.
What brought you and I'massuming your parents, I'm not
sure about your grandmother whatled to you guys coming to
America outside of thatcommunism in control?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Justin, my father was targeted by the secret police
and eventually he was killed forhis beliefs.
And so usually what wouldhappen in a communist country
like that?
That if one of your parentsgets killed because he's too
outspoken, then they would tryto kill off the rest of the
family as well in order to setan example to the community and
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set fear in the hearts of thepeople so they would not rebel
against the government.
And so my mom and I ended uphaving to flee and go undercover
, and she had to, with help.
She had to sell off all of hersavings, her life savings, all
of the things that she owned,and she was able to pay off
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certain officials to getdifferent stamps so that we
could leave the country we canleave the country.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Wow, I am so sorry to hear about your father.
Wow, in the West, it'sdifficult for us to wrap our
head around living in that typeof regime where your father is
murdered for his beliefs, yourmom has to sell absolutely
everything, all the money foryou guys to escape and come to
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America.
I do have several acquaintancesthat I see several times a year
, from Romania, and they alsogrew up under the communist
regime and it was bad enoughthat they refused to talk about
it.
They absolutely won't evenbring it up because it was that
bad to talk about it.
They absolutely won't evenbring it up because it was that
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bad.
And they also were able toescape.
And, praise God, you were inyour mother as well.
So you guys make it to America.
What was that like, coming here, settling in America?
Did you understand English?
Were you able to speak it?
Were you fluent?
What was it like culturally tocome here?
Speaker 2 (08:05):
We came to America with $200 to our name and the
clothes on our backs and notmuch more.
We actually ended up livingwith my aunt, who lived in Texas
at the time, and so she helpedus and we were able to get our
eventually, our green card andthen, later on, our citizenship
by in Texas.
While we were able to get,eventually, our green card and
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then, later on, our citizenshipin Texas while we were there.
But it was a challenging partof my life, of course, because
we were uprooted, left behindour culture, the people who we
knew, every single thing that wehad, and we started from
scratch.
And I just want to say that Godhas been there with us through
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all of it and he's reallyprovided for us, and we both of
us, my mom and I were prayingall throughout this time to the
Lord, and so he came through.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
So you make it through high school.
What was it like going throughhigh school for you here in the
States?
Speaker 2 (09:10):
High school was an interesting experience because,
even though I did live in acommunist country, their
education level was much higherfrom the American educational
level, and so when I came, came,and even though I didn't know
English, I placed one of thefirst ones in my entire school
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in ninth grade, and so I guessthe school was so surprised that
they actually reported it tothe paper.
The newspaper did an article onme about this and one of the
local private school deans readabout it and came in person and
offered me a full scholarship toattend their school the rest of
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the time.
So I actually ended upattending a private Christian
school, 10th through 12th gradebecause of this scholarship.
So, as I said, god reallyprovided and it was just an
amazing thing.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I think this is outstanding.
This is like from rags toriches story here, where you are
very intelligent, and I thinkthis is key to understand that
just because you're intelligentdoes not mean you cannot have
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demons.
And we'll get into Rachel'sstory here, because she actually
did wind up going throughseveral deliverance sessions.
But before we get into that,speaking of your intelligence,
rachel, let's talk a little bitabout your university education.
So you graduate the 12th gradeand what happened next?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yes.
So after I graduated I wentahead and got a bachelor's
degree.
I got a bachelor's degree andthen I have two master's degrees
and an additional certificate.
That took three years.
So I specialized and I became aChristian counselor.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
So, Rachel, what is your bachelor's degree in, and
why did you choose thisparticular degree?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
My bachelor's degree is in science and biology, and
I've always loved nature andanimals and I loved gardening.
I still love it even today andso as a young adult, I decided
that I wanted to become aveterinarian, and in order to do
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that you have to get a sciencebachelor's degree.
Now, after I got the degree,the circumstances of my life
changed and through a process ofdiscernment, I was led to look
into counseling as a potentialfield of study, and when I
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looked into it it seemed like agreat fit for me.
The first teacher of mymaster's class in counseling
came out to our class with.
Counseling is both an art and ascience, and so I'm both an
artist and a scientist.
So that was like a perfectcombination for me, and still is
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.
I love counseling people, Ilove working with them and
helping them heal.
Now I did get a third degree,and that's a master's in public
administration, and that'sbecause I'm also a community
builder and I love puttingtogether groups and putting
together ministries, outreachesyou name it centers, counseling
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centers, counseling centers, andso since I love doing those
things and I was doing that moreand more I decided to get a
degree in public administrationand that taught me more
specifically how to runnonprofits, which I was very
interested in doing.
And then my certificate is inspiritual formation, and it's a
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three-year certificate from aseminary, and I am also a
congregational ordained pastorand so I help people grow
spiritually and closer to theLord, and so those are my
degrees.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
So there we have it Two master's degrees, extra
education, certification, aChristian therapist, highly
intelligent and went beyondtherapy and came to be trained
as an exorcist.
Why, rachel?
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What caused you to want to gothat step to combine therapy and
exorcism together?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
The Lord has been training me and teaching me how
to do exorcism in the office foryears.
And I'm a trauma specialist,trauma resolution specialist so
I work with a lot of traumatizedpeople, resolution specialist.
So I work with a lot oftraumatized people and I noticed
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that whenever we would heal,start healing their wounds,
their underlying wounds, thensome of them would start seeing
shadows around them and theywould say did you see that?
Oh, my goodness, did you seethat?
And at the time the way Iunderstood it was that as we
heal the underlying wounds, thenthe enemy is losing its grip,
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and the more it's losing itsgrip on that person, the more
it's like flapping around, likein a car, a handkerchief that
you put out the window.
It's like flapping aroundbarely hanging on, and that's
why these people get a glimpseof these demonic entities.
But the interesting thing wasthat these people weren't scared
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anymore because they werehealing and they were almost
healed, and so they wereactually I could actually lead
them and help them get rid ofwhatever those they were
noticing.
And so the Lord was training mehow to do exorcism before.
And so the Lord was training mehow to do exorcism before I
even knew what it was.
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And then I started doingresearch after one of my clients
manifested in my office, fullymanifested.
He came in, he was verydepressed, suicidal and hopeless
and so on and so forth.
And during the session we weretalking about Christian
principles and all of a suddenthis man rose up from his chair
and his voice changed.
It became like a deep voice andhis eyes became black and he
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said I hate Christians, they'retrying to kill me, and so on and
so forth.
He went on this diatribe and so, interestingly enough, even
then I wasn't afraid.
I knew what to do.
I started praying for theperson.
I asked the Lord to come andintervene and I told the thing
whatever it was to go away inJesus name, get out, yeah.
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So all of a sudden he fell backin his chair and whatever it
was left him and he wassurprised and he went oh my gosh
, what was that?
Did you hear that?
And he started even apologizingto me.
He goes I'm so sorry, I don'thate Christian, that's not, that
wasn't me.
And I said that's okay.
And he kept on asking what wasthat?
And so I didn't want to scarehim, so I didn't want to say, oh
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, you have a demon.
But I said that was whateverwas in your heart.
It just rose up and you showedit to me and then it left.
And so he accepted that answerand indeed he has completely
healed.
Like overnight he went frombeing depressed and suicidal and
hopeless to being completelyhealed a different person and he
got himself a job and he didn'thave depression anymore.
And so we only needed to havethree counseling sessions all
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together with him, with thisparticular client and I'm not
saying everybody's going to belike this, but I'm just saying
this particular person.
This was their story and so Iwas aware of demons and this
person was Christian, okay, whomanifested in my office, and I
was aware of the fact thatChristians can have demons.
And so I started looking aroundbecause I decided that I needed
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to become more specialized, Ineeded to know more about
exorcism, because I didn't knowa lot.
I only knew what was happeningin my office.
And so I started looking aroundfor a biblically-based, solid
approach that is kind and itpreserves the dignity of the
person that you're working with.
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You're not like yelling andscreaming at them or anything
like that.
And so that's how I found BobLarson's ministry and that's how
I got to working with Justin.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Wow, like I could dissect this in a million ways,
and I say this often, but,rachel, you have my head
spinning.
Wow, honestly, this says it all.
Folks, this disproves the point.
Right here you have a highlyeducated therapist working with
a Christian who is suicidal anddepressed.
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A demon manifests, she expelsit and then she's like wait a
minute, I really need to betrained in a process.
That's key.
Exorcism is a process if youget trained through Dr Larson's
ministry and it's veryclient-centered and it's very
respectful, compassionate,empathetic, and so those of you
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listening who have worked withme, you understand that this is
a very respectful approach tohelping people.
We're not screaming and yellingand traumatizing people and all
of that.
So let me just take a minuteand take this apart for just a
minute.
Now, rachel, you and I both knowthat it is possible for a
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person to have a mental healthcondition in addition to having
demons.
In other words, demons aren'talways 100% cure.
For example, people can have aspirit, of say, anxiety cast out
, but yet they still requireanxiety medication because the
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anxiety they actually have isgenetic and the demons
hyper-induce that anxiety.
So I tell people it's like whenyou have anxiety genetically
and you have demons.
They hold a magnifying glassover that and they take it from
a three to a 10.
So you're like panic attackedand everything.
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When the demons are expelled,that can drop down to a three,
which is tolerable medication,and so the anxiety still remains
.
So not everything is a demon.
It's more common that it's acombination of unresolved trauma
, mental health conditions anddemons.
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What are some of your thoughtson that, rachel?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
What are some of your thoughts on that, rachel?
Yes, absolutely Not everythingis a demon, and there are people
who are genetically predisposedto have anxiety, and so what
you just said is exactly correctthat very often it's a mix of
maybe genetics, some backgroundtrauma that hasn't been healed,
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and then maybe some spirituallymagnified event, and that's
exactly what demons do, is theymagnify or make things so much
worse because they're trying todestroy the person.
That is their goal, and sothey're trying to drive them
into temptation or trying tomake them do things that are
against their values and beliefsthere, so they're trying to
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destroy that person and get thatmaybe deeper in some sort of a
forbidden practice, whatever itis speak into as well, because I
had a food addiction and I wasreally addicted to food, and
also I had a codependencyproblem with some of my family
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members, and so I had to gothrough a process of healing,
and so part of that was goingthrough my own counseling and
then 12-step process, but then Ialso had to get several
sessions of exorcism to get ridof the demonic.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Mission critical.
It's multifaceted.
I think that is so importantfor anybody to understand.
Many people come to me and evenyou, rachel because they think
the only problem is demons.
Maybe they've identified thatthey have demons, maybe they've
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had demonic sleep paralysis orthey just know I have demons
because of X, y and Z.
So they come thinking that'sall they need to do.
But that's just part of theequation.
For example, if somebody comeswith addiction and we work with
them and we get the demonsexpelled that have entered
through the addiction, I willrefer them to therapy.
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Because there's unresolvedtrauma and that's why they're
self-medicating throughaddiction.
There's unresolved trauma andthat's why they're
self-medicating throughaddiction.
And oftentimes I encourage themgo to a 12-step program for
Narcotics Anonymous.
Go, find it online, find alocal chapter.
Go, get a sponsor and work thesteps.
Why?
Because it's all part of acollective healing process and
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journey for the individualcollective healing process and
journey for the individual.
So if you're listening rightnow and you've went through
deliverance and you still feelterrible, that's why Therapy you
may need a 12-step program.
So it's that deliverance isonly part of the equation.
It is not the entire equation.
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Here's another example I hadanother exorcist recently
contact me and asked if I couldhelp her with a more advanced
case of exorcism.
And I said send me thespiritual profile and for you,
listening for a while.
You understand this is intakequestions that I have people
fill out before I meet with themto assess critically and
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through logic entry points ofdemons through the family,
through marriage, all thesedifferent aspects.
Okay, so I get this spiritualprofile for this particular
client and I'm reading downthrough and the amount of trauma
that this particular client hadexperienced.
As crazy as this sounds, shehad no business coming for an
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exorcism, as her starting pointright, her starting point needed
to be therapy.
She needed emotional stability,she needed medicated, she
needed to process throughhorrendous amounts of trauma in
her life and then, when shewould get to a state where she
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was stable enough, had workedthrough trauma enough, then
start the exorcism.
So I share this with you guysto simply say if you've tried
therapy and you still feel likegarbage emotionally, perhaps you
need to go for exorcism.
Likewise, if you've went fordeliverance ministry and you
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still feel like garbage, perhapsyou need therapy, perhaps you
need a psychiatric evaluation tosee is there something
genetically wrong with me thatmedication can help.
I tell clients this all the time.
I told a client this, I thinklast month or the month prior.
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I said, listen, you need to goget a psychological evaluation,
go to a psychiatrist, get tested, see what it is that you have
so that you can get the correctmedication.
This particular client would goto his primary care physician,
his family doctor, and say I'mdepressed, here's Zoloft, or I
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have anxiety, here's Busporin,or I have lower back pain,
here's pain.
It was like a candy store.
And the client even told methis.
He said it's like a candy store, I can get whatever I want.
And I said here's what you need.
Go get that psyche valve so youactually know what you have,
instead of just randomlyguessing based on symptom.
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They can test you, get you theproper medication that'll help
you feel better emotionally,then come back for exorcism.
So interesting kind of pointersto share with you guys as
you're learning about this ormaybe trying this yourself and
trying to get better.
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It's all part of the healingjourney and I want you to
understand this here, that thisis what Western Christianity
says is impossible.
Got that your pastor.
Chances are at your church ifyou went up and said I have a
demon, I need an exorcism.
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He'd say Christians can't havedemons.
Why is that?
Because Western Christianity inour seminaries especially in
America— we teach thatChristians can't have demons.
That's simply not true.
We have so many deliveranceministries that's came out since
COVID.
Now, granted, not everydeliverance ministry is balanced
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.
There's a lot of wackiness outthere, I get that, but there are
legitimate, stable,professional exorcism and
deliverance ministries that areavailable, with all the
testimonies on YouTube from allthese different ministries, mine
included.
Are all of these people crazy?
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Are all of these people lying?
No, they're not.
So if your pastor is sayingChristians can't have demons,
that's simply not true.
I'm not suggesting to leaveyour church because your pastor
may believe that.
I'm just saying it's not true.
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And many of the problems thatyou're experiencing in your life
, or some of the problems, couldbe because you have demons.
And when the Western churchteaches that Christians can't
have demons, there's only twothings you got to help you you
ready Outside of the Lord andthe Bible and church and worship
and all that.
Number one is therapy, which isa good thing, and then the
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second thing is your sinfulnature.
That's it.
That's all they can offer you.
So your pastor is going to saylook, it's your sinful nature.
That's why you, mrs Smith, aredrinking a bottle of wine every
night, because your anxiety isso bad you can't even go to
sleep.
So you pop a cork and you drinkan entire bottle of wine.
But that's just your sinfulnature.
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Well, you're self-medicatingand oftentimes that's because of
trauma and there's demons there.
So it's always going to be yoursinful nature or therapy,
that's it.
And so if none of those help,you guess what?
Your Western church throwstheir hands up in the air and
says sorry, we can't help you.
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You must not want to change.
That's not true.
You have demons.
You need exorcism.
That's why you struggle.
That's why you can't shakewhatever it is that you have.
But keep in mind, this is onlypart of the equation Exorcism
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plus therapy, plus whatever elseyou might need to become well
and healed in a healing journey.
Rachel, I'm going to come backto you.
Any thoughts on some of thisI've been sharing.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yes, absolutely so.
I work with people fromdifferent churches and ever
since I've been trained in thisprocess with Dr Larson and the
questionnaire I usually givepeople, whether Christian or not
.
I give them this questionnairejust to see what their spiritual
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profile looks like, and so manytimes Christians come in with
all sorts of entanglements fromthe occult things that they may
have done in the past that maybethey're not doing now, but
they've never actually went backand reconciled with the Lord
over, and so it's an open doorin our life.
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So, for example, I was workingwith a young woman recently and
she was Christian, but then shewas also practicing Hindu
Buddhist practices.
She was regularly going tomeditate in a Hindu temple with
her friends and she didn't thinkthat there was anything wrong
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with that.
She was reading some of thewritings of those religions and
of those teachers.
She was watching the YouTubeteachers.
So all this is to say is thatshe was very far from the Lord
when she came to work with meand through our time together,
she manifested several times,and one time she actually became
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a snake and she was slitheringin the armchair where she was
sitting in a very unnatural way,but all that is to say it was
demonic kind of strongholds thathave surfaced over her.
I worked with her and now she'svery new but budding believer
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and she can read the Bible andunderstand it in a different way
.
She loves the Word of God,she's part of a Christian
community, she's growing, she'sgetting stronger.
So this is just one example ofa Christian who came to me who
was thinking that she wasChristian, but she was actually
very far from the Lord, wasentangled in all sorts of other
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type of practices, and part ofit was because of her health.
She was trying to look for waysto heal from certain things and
she thought that these otherpractices could help her heal
and so she walked away from theLord because of that.
And so it's amazing, it's likealmost night and day the change
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in her.
And this kind of example istrue for so many other people
that I've worked with and Icontinue working with in my
practice.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
That's excellent.
I had a woman reach out to methat just booked a session.
She's been a Christian for 30years.
There's no adultery in hermarriage.
They're happily married.
They have several children.
She heard my podcast.
She gets a hold of me for afree 20-minute consultation.
You could do that.
If you'd ever want.
(32:30):
Go to justindeedcom forward,slash help and submit the form
and if it's a fit, we'll meetfor a 20-minute meet and greet
and see what's going on and ifit'd be a good fit to work
together.
So this is what she did and here, when she was 21, right before
she was married or while she wasmarried, early on in her
marriage, she went to a psychicto see if she was going to have
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children.
And when she heard one of mypodcasts, the Holy Spirit
brought conviction and thismemory back to her and she then
started understanding aboutgenerational curses that could
be on the family.
And then the Holy Spirit hadher remember that her
grandmother went to a psychic aswell and I'm sure it goes way
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back further than grandma.
This is generational witchcraftand she's seeing and evaluating
her world now with this newunderstanding of spiritual
warfare, demons, generationalcurses, and she sees how it's
impacting her children.
So she came, humbled herselfand said I need help, I need to
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break this and get rid of thesedemons.
I now understand what's goingon, and so just another example
of somebody again, this is aworking professional.
Again, this is a workingprofessional.
This is a school teacher,college-educated Christian woman
that came across this.
Most people would look, oh,that's just a psychic, not a big
(34:05):
deal.
Satan doesn't care.
If you get a tarot card reading, he can come in.
See, people want to minimizeSatan.
Satan can enter you if you, asa sarcastic example, maybe have
a rock in your pocket and maybethat rock was used in some type
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of ritual and you're carrying itaround as your good luck rock
he could get in that way.
Or crystals how many Christiansuse crystals, lay them on their
body and think it's going tobring healing and it's a mess
out there.
Folks Like we got to get ourheads in the game, get cleaned
up and get back to thefoundation of our Christianity,
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which is Jesus Christ, salvation, the Trinity, cleaning up,
sanctification, dying to self,all that good stuff.
I just wanted to share this withyou guys to reinforce what Emmy
was saying about theseChristian clients coming.
So here's another thought, andI'm going to come to you about
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this too, emmy.
Here's what I don't get guys,all of you listening.
Here's what I do not understandwhy and I'll say this to you
with an assumption that you maybe this person and you may not
if this does not fit to yoursituation, by all means
disregard it.
And I do not mean this in anoffensive way.
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I mean this as a way tochallenge and encourage you.
Here's my question for youchallenge and encourage you.
Here's my question for you.
Why is it you do not want toself-improve?
I want you to think about thatfor a minute.
Why do you not want toself-improve?
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Why do you want to stay in yourdysfunction?
Why do you want to stay in theemotional baggage, the traumas?
Another question why do you wantto live a lie, an illusion that
you're okay because you have amarriage and a nice house and
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nice things?
So outwardly it's all a lie.
You look well put together butinside very broken.
My friend, let me encourage youImprove, improve.
You are worthy of improving.
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You are a creation of God.
He loves you.
You don't listen to thisministry just on a whim.
You're here because God isdealing with you.
You and I both know this.
So it really boils down to justletting the pride go and saying
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I'm broken.
It doesn't matter about theFacebook pictures, where that's
all an illusion too.
Everyone's smiling, everybody'shappy all the time.
All of us listening know that'sfake.
Certainly there are some truehappy pictures on Facebook.
I don't mean to imply thatevery picture out there is a lie
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, but a lot of it is, and weknow that deep down inside.
So why don't we improve?
Why don't we fix that?
Why don't we get rid of demonsthat are vexing us?
That's my question for youlistening.
That's my encouragement for you.
Shatter that lie that you'rewell put together and you don't
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have demons and I'm fine, you'refine, we're all fine.
Let's just keep smiling ourfake smile when we go to church.
God bless you, brother, I gotthe victory.
Hallelujah, praise.
No, inside you're broken,drinking a bottle of wine every
night, or, in my case, I wasdrinking a gallon of Captain
(38:05):
Morgan rum every week.
Hey, I'm speaking from personalexperience.
There's no judgment here.
I was broken.
Listen to episode one,overcoming the Darkness.
Check out my story.
You better believe I was broken.
I humbled myself and came forhelp.
Rachel, I'm going to come backto you.
You are a therapist and you arean exorcist.
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Why is it that?
Why do you think people do notwant to self-improve?
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Justin, it could be different reasons.
Some of the reasons that cometo mind is that it could be just
too broken, that too manythings may have happened in
their lives and they feel thatit's too late for them or
there's just no way that theycan receive any healing of any
sorts or any relief.
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So that could be one reason.
Another reason could be thatthey may not understand that
healing is possible, that nomatter what happened to them,
god wants that closerelationship so that he can
change and heal and redeem theirlives, and so that's another
(39:22):
possibility as well.
Is that just people not knowingthat healing is possible, no
matter what has happened?
And a third reason could bethat they just don't know.
They don't know that the powerof the cross, that Jesus died on
the cross for this to be setfree from the devil, from the
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enemy, and through his blood.
And we have been bought andtherefore we belong to Jesus,
and when we become part of hiskingdom, then the enemy has to
flee.
Part of his kingdom, then theenemy has to flee.
He cannot stay, and so it couldbe just not knowing.
(40:07):
The Bible says that peopleperish for the lack of knowledge
.
Maybe this is what it refers to.
But if you think that you'retoo broken, that is a lie from
the enemy.
There is room for improvement,there's room for healing,
there's room for new in yourlife, and I can tell you so many
stories from my own experienceworking with people over the
(40:30):
many years that I have been acounselor, that healing is
possible, and no matter howbroken you think you are, it's
not a burden or a hardship ofGod to start healing you and
redeeming you, and in ways thatyou don't even know, wonderful
ways that you don't even know orunderstand how it could happen.
(40:53):
And so I would say give God thebenefit of the doubt and give
him a chance and turn to him andoffer up your brokenness.
Go for counseling and go forexorcism and maybe a combination
of both and pray and study theBible and deepen your
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relationship with the Lord andsee where he will lead you.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
This is where we're at, guys.
We have been on this journeytogether through all of these
episodes and the message is thesame you can be free.
And my hope is that you wouldtake this is like I've said this
many times if I would have hadthis when I was, say, 19, 20
(41:42):
years old or even 30, my entirelife could have been so much
better.
So I just want to encourage youguys listening and to say this
is available for you and itdoesn't have to be with my
ministry, it could be with anydeliverance ministry.
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Just research it, make sureit's valid and legitimate and
they're submitted to some typeof pastoral covering, etc.
Etc.
And really consider taking thisup and getting into the
self-improvements I think we'veshared enough in this episode to
give you guys food for thought.
I appreciate each of you comingand listening and I pray that
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you are encouraged by this, notdiscouraged, but encouraged by
it.
And speaking of encouragement,rachel, I'm going to come to you
at the end of every episode.
Encouragement, rachel, I'mgoing to come to you at the end
of every episode.
I always ask my guest to offerwords of encouragement to the
listeners.
So there are people listeningwho know that they need
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deliverance, but maybe they'reafraid.
There are people who arelistening that are on the fence
about it, and then there arepeople who are listening or just
there's just no way.
So there's different types ofpeople that listen, and so,
rachel, I'd like for you tooffer some words of
encouragement to those listening.
(43:07):
Why should they consider goingthrough a deliverance?
Speaker 2 (43:13):
I want to encourage everyone out there who's
listening that, no matter whathappened to you, that healing is
possible, that there's nothingthat the Lord can't heal and
can't set right in due time.
And I would love to share a lotmore stories with you.
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In my years of many years ofpractice Now, I've seen so many
healings and deliverances,people getting better,
completely better, from beingtraumatized like severely
traumatized.
So it is not true that you'retoo broken and there's no hope
for you.
That is the lie of the enemy.
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There's no hope for you.
That is the lie of the enemy.
And so I would like tochallenge you to look into
counseling, look into themedication, look into the
exorcism and, even beyond all ofthis, press into Jesus, keep
him right in the forefront andlearn the Bible and pray to him
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and ask him into your life andask him to step into every
single situation that you'refacing.
And as you're doing that, youwill see, you'll start to see
the fingerprints of God in yourlife and how he works and the
amazing things that he's goingto be doing with your life and
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with you, and you will trulynever be the same.
Welcome to the Blind Exorcist.
This is episode 35, and I wantto say thank you so much, my
friend, for tuning back in and,if you're new to the podcast,
welcome.
Today I have something that I'mvery, very excited about.
(00:22):
I am going to be interviewingRachel Now.
She's coming on to the podcastanonymously and here's why she
is a therapist highly educatedWe'll get into her education
later on but she's also acertified exorcist, so this is a
magnificent combination of boththerapy and deliverance
(00:49):
ministry.
What a combination.
So our conversation is basicallya coffee conversation, right?
We're sitting around discussingcertain things around this, and
I invite you, grab your coffee,pull up a chair, sit down and
listen in.
You're going to get a lot outof this.
So, for example, we're going totalk about why Christians can
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have demons.
We're going to talk about theimportance of therapy in
addition to deliverance.
We're going to give severalcase examples, client examples
of people we've worked with,case examples, client examples
of people we've worked with.
But, even more importantly,we're going to talk about how or
why the Western church getsthis so dangerously wrong that
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Christians cannot have demons.
Why is that?
Why do they believe this?
We're going to flush this outin this episode as well.
We're going to talk about herhistory.
She's actually from Romania andcame to America when she was 13
years old, so there's a lot ofawesome, exciting information.
This episode is veryencouraging.
(01:59):
So if you're kind of feelingdown, beaten up in life, you, my
friend, have tuned in to theperfect episode Tons of
inspiration and encouragementthroughout this episode.
So I would encourage you, whenyou're finished listening to
(02:20):
this, to text this to a familymember, a friend, and tell them
to check it out.
They're also going to get a lotof their questions answered and
also find inspiration as well.
The last thing I'd like to askbefore we jump in here is could
you please consider and I knowyou guys get this all the time,
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so thank you for those of youwho actually do this next
request Could you considerrating the podcast on the Apple
podcast platform?
This helps people find it andthey need to hear this.
There's so much here for peopleto learn.
It's very educational, as youguys know, and it's also
(03:05):
encouraging.
So to do that it's notdifficult.
You open up the podcast app onyour iPhone, tap on search type
in the Blind Exorcist and you'llsee TBE logo.
It's this blue and white logo.
Just tap on that and on thenext screen, scroll down clear
(03:26):
to the bottom and you'll seereview and you can tap on leave
a review where you can rate itfrom one to five and type a
little description of what youget out of the podcast to help
people understand it.
And, you know, join in thefamily here.
So thank you so much forconsidering doing that.
I really appreciate it.
So, without any further ado,let's go ahead and jump into
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this conversation with Racheland buckle up, get ready.
You, my friend, are going to beinspired, encouraged and get a
lot of questions answered.
Let's go, rachel.
Welcome to the Blind Exorcist.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Thank you so much for inviting me, and I'm really
looking forward to thisopportunity to give testimony
about what God did in my life.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Amen, I'm very excited as well, and so this is
going to be a really good coffeeconversation.
We're going to kick around somereally good ideas to challenge
your thinking as you listen.
So, Rachel, let me come over toyou.
You originally lived in Romaniaand at 13 years old, you came
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over to America.
Let's talk a little bit.
What was your life like inRomania before you came to
America?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yes, so I lived in the 1970s and 1980s in Romania
under the communist regime ofCeaușescu, and growing up was a
very different world from the UScurrently.
I lived with my grandma and Iwas not able to see my parents
(05:18):
very often because the communistgovernment placed them so far
away in their work that theycouldn't actually take care of
me, so I had to live with mygrandma and then they would come
and visit me.
Also, I was a minority livingin Romania and as a minority we
got a lot of persecution for whowe were and our culture.
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And then also we gotpersecution because we were
Christian and my grandma and Iused to go to church, but my
parents couldn't go to churchbecause they would have lost
their jobs.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
That sounds extremely challenging.
What brought you and I'massuming your parents, I'm not
sure about your grandmother whatled to you guys coming to
America outside of thatcommunism in control?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Justin, my father was targeted by the secret police
and eventually he was killed forhis beliefs.
And so usually what wouldhappen in a communist country
like that?
That if one of your parentsgets killed because he's too
outspoken, then they would tryto kill off the rest of the
family as well in order to setan example to the community and
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set fear in the hearts of thepeople so they would not rebel
against the government.
And so my mom and I ended uphaving to flee and go undercover
, and she had to, with help.
She had to sell off all of hersavings, her life savings, all
of the things that she owned,and she was able to pay off
(06:56):
certain officials to getdifferent stamps so that we
could leave the country we canleave the country.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Wow, I am so sorry to hear about your father.
Wow, in the West, it'sdifficult for us to wrap our
head around living in that typeof regime where your father is
murdered for his beliefs, yourmom has to sell absolutely
everything, all the money foryou guys to escape and come to
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America.
I do have several acquaintancesthat I see several times a year
, from Romania, and they alsogrew up under the communist
regime and it was bad enoughthat they refused to talk about
it.
They absolutely won't evenbring it up because it was that
bad to talk about it.
They absolutely won't evenbring it up because it was that
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bad.
And they also were able toescape.
And, praise God, you were inyour mother as well.
So you guys make it to America.
What was that like, coming here, settling in America?
Did you understand English?
Were you able to speak it?
Were you fluent?
What was it like culturally tocome here?
Speaker 2 (08:05):
We came to America with $200 to our name and the
clothes on our backs and notmuch more.
We actually ended up livingwith my aunt, who lived in Texas
at the time, and so she helpedus and we were able to get our
eventually, our green card andthen, later on, our citizenship
by in Texas.
While we were able to get,eventually, our green card and
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then, later on, our citizenshipin Texas while we were there.
But it was a challenging partof my life, of course, because
we were uprooted, left behindour culture, the people who we
knew, every single thing that wehad, and we started from
scratch.
And I just want to say that Godhas been there with us through
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all of it and he's reallyprovided for us, and we both of
us, my mom and I were prayingall throughout this time to the
Lord, and so he came through.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
So you make it through high school.
What was it like going throughhigh school for you here in the
States?
Speaker 2 (09:10):
High school was an interesting experience because,
even though I did live in acommunist country, their
education level was much higherfrom the American educational
level, and so when I came, came,and even though I didn't know
English, I placed one of thefirst ones in my entire school
(09:31):
in ninth grade, and so I guessthe school was so surprised that
they actually reported it tothe paper.
The newspaper did an article onme about this and one of the
local private school deans readabout it and came in person and
offered me a full scholarship toattend their school the rest of
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the time.
So I actually ended upattending a private Christian
school, 10th through 12th gradebecause of this scholarship.
So, as I said, god reallyprovided and it was just an
amazing thing.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I think this is outstanding.
This is like from rags toriches story here, where you are
very intelligent, and I thinkthis is key to understand that
just because you're intelligentdoes not mean you cannot have
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demons.
And we'll get into Rachel'sstory here, because she actually
did wind up going throughseveral deliverance sessions.
But before we get into that,speaking of your intelligence,
rachel, let's talk a little bitabout your university education.
So you graduate the 12th gradeand what happened next?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yes.
So after I graduated I wentahead and got a bachelor's
degree.
I got a bachelor's degree andthen I have two master's degrees
and an additional certificate.
That took three years.
So I specialized and I became aChristian counselor.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
So, Rachel, what is your bachelor's degree in, and
why did you choose thisparticular degree?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
My bachelor's degree is in science and biology, and
I've always loved nature andanimals and I loved gardening.
I still love it even today andso as a young adult, I decided
that I wanted to become aveterinarian, and in order to do
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that you have to get a sciencebachelor's degree.
Now, after I got the degree,the circumstances of my life
changed and through a process ofdiscernment, I was led to look
into counseling as a potentialfield of study, and when I
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looked into it it seemed like agreat fit for me.
The first teacher of mymaster's class in counseling
came out to our class with.
Counseling is both an art and ascience, and so I'm both an
artist and a scientist.
So that was like a perfectcombination for me, and still is
(12:29):
.
I love counseling people, Ilove working with them and
helping them heal.
Now I did get a third degree,and that's a master's in public
administration, and that'sbecause I'm also a community
builder and I love puttingtogether groups and putting
together ministries, outreachesyou name it centers, counseling
(12:55):
centers, counseling centers, andso since I love doing those
things and I was doing that moreand more I decided to get a
degree in public administrationand that taught me more
specifically how to runnonprofits, which I was very
interested in doing.
And then my certificate is inspiritual formation, and it's a
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three-year certificate from aseminary, and I am also a
congregational ordained pastorand so I help people grow
spiritually and closer to theLord, and so those are my
degrees.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
So there we have it Two master's degrees, extra
education, certification, aChristian therapist, highly
intelligent and went beyondtherapy and came to be trained
as an exorcist.
Why, rachel?
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What caused you to want to gothat step to combine therapy and
exorcism together?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
The Lord has been training me and teaching me how
to do exorcism in the office foryears.
And I'm a trauma specialist,trauma resolution specialist so
I work with a lot of traumatizedpeople, resolution specialist.
So I work with a lot oftraumatized people and I noticed
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that whenever we would heal,start healing their wounds,
their underlying wounds, thensome of them would start seeing
shadows around them and theywould say did you see that?
Oh, my goodness, did you seethat?
And at the time the way Iunderstood it was that as we
heal the underlying wounds, thenthe enemy is losing its grip,
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and the more it's losing itsgrip on that person, the more
it's like flapping around, likein a car, a handkerchief that
you put out the window.
It's like flapping aroundbarely hanging on, and that's
why these people get a glimpseof these demonic entities.
But the interesting thing wasthat these people weren't scared
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anymore because they werehealing and they were almost
healed, and so they wereactually I could actually lead
them and help them get rid ofwhatever those they were
noticing.
And so the Lord was training mehow to do exorcism before.
And so the Lord was training mehow to do exorcism before I
even knew what it was.
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And then I started doingresearch after one of my clients
manifested in my office, fullymanifested.
He came in, he was verydepressed, suicidal and hopeless
and so on and so forth.
And during the session we weretalking about Christian
principles and all of a suddenthis man rose up from his chair
and his voice changed.
It became like a deep voice andhis eyes became black and he
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said I hate Christians, they'retrying to kill me, and so on and
so forth.
He went on this diatribe and so, interestingly enough, even
then I wasn't afraid.
I knew what to do.
I started praying for theperson.
I asked the Lord to come andintervene and I told the thing
whatever it was to go away inJesus name, get out, yeah.
(16:13):
So all of a sudden he fell backin his chair and whatever it
was left him and he wassurprised and he went oh my gosh
, what was that?
Did you hear that?
And he started even apologizingto me.
He goes I'm so sorry, I don'thate Christian, that's not, that
wasn't me.
And I said that's okay.
And he kept on asking what wasthat?
And so I didn't want to scarehim, so I didn't want to say, oh
(16:40):
, you have a demon.
But I said that was whateverwas in your heart.
It just rose up and you showedit to me and then it left.
And so he accepted that answerand indeed he has completely
healed.
Like overnight he went frombeing depressed and suicidal and
hopeless to being completelyhealed a different person and he
got himself a job and he didn'thave depression anymore.
And so we only needed to havethree counseling sessions all
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together with him, with thisparticular client and I'm not
saying everybody's going to belike this, but I'm just saying
this particular person.
This was their story and so Iwas aware of demons and this
person was Christian, okay, whomanifested in my office, and I
was aware of the fact thatChristians can have demons.
And so I started looking aroundbecause I decided that I needed
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to become more specialized, Ineeded to know more about
exorcism, because I didn't knowa lot.
I only knew what was happeningin my office.
And so I started looking aroundfor a biblically-based, solid
approach that is kind and itpreserves the dignity of the
person that you're working with.
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You're not like yelling andscreaming at them or anything
like that.
And so that's how I found BobLarson's ministry and that's how
I got to working with Justin.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Wow, like I could dissect this in a million ways,
and I say this often, but,rachel, you have my head
spinning.
Wow, honestly, this says it all.
Folks, this disproves the point.
Right here you have a highlyeducated therapist working with
a Christian who is suicidal anddepressed.
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A demon manifests, she expelsit and then she's like wait a
minute, I really need to betrained in a process.
That's key.
Exorcism is a process if youget trained through Dr Larson's
ministry and it's veryclient-centered and it's very
respectful, compassionate,empathetic, and so those of you
(18:45):
listening who have worked withme, you understand that this is
a very respectful approach tohelping people.
We're not screaming and yellingand traumatizing people and all
of that.
So let me just take a minuteand take this apart for just a
minute.
Now, rachel, you and I both knowthat it is possible for a
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person to have a mental healthcondition in addition to having
demons.
In other words, demons aren'talways 100% cure.
For example, people can have aspirit, of say, anxiety cast out
, but yet they still requireanxiety medication because the
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anxiety they actually have isgenetic and the demons
hyper-induce that anxiety.
So I tell people it's like whenyou have anxiety genetically
and you have demons.
They hold a magnifying glassover that and they take it from
a three to a 10.
So you're like panic attackedand everything.
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When the demons are expelled,that can drop down to a three,
which is tolerable medication,and so the anxiety still remains
.
So not everything is a demon.
It's more common that it's acombination of unresolved trauma
, mental health conditions anddemons.
(20:14):
What are some of your thoughtson that, rachel?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
What are some of your thoughts on that, rachel?
Yes, absolutely Not everythingis a demon, and there are people
who are genetically predisposedto have anxiety, and so what
you just said is exactly correctthat very often it's a mix of
maybe genetics, some backgroundtrauma that hasn't been healed,
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and then maybe some spirituallymagnified event, and that's
exactly what demons do, is theymagnify or make things so much
worse because they're trying todestroy the person.
That is their goal, and sothey're trying to drive them
into temptation or trying tomake them do things that are
against their values and beliefsthere, so they're trying to
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destroy that person and get thatmaybe deeper in some sort of a
forbidden practice, whatever itis speak into as well, because I
had a food addiction and I wasreally addicted to food, and
also I had a codependencyproblem with some of my family
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members, and so I had to gothrough a process of healing,
and so part of that was goingthrough my own counseling and
then 12-step process, but then Ialso had to get several
sessions of exorcism to get ridof the demonic.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Mission critical.
It's multifaceted.
I think that is so importantfor anybody to understand.
Many people come to me and evenyou, rachel because they think
the only problem is demons.
Maybe they've identified thatthey have demons, maybe they've
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had demonic sleep paralysis orthey just know I have demons
because of X, y and Z.
So they come thinking that'sall they need to do.
But that's just part of theequation.
For example, if somebody comeswith addiction and we work with
them and we get the demonsexpelled that have entered
through the addiction, I willrefer them to therapy.
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Because there's unresolvedtrauma and that's why they're
self-medicating throughaddiction.
There's unresolved trauma andthat's why they're
self-medicating throughaddiction.
And oftentimes I encourage themgo to a 12-step program for
Narcotics Anonymous.
Go, find it online, find alocal chapter.
Go, get a sponsor and work thesteps.
Why?
Because it's all part of acollective healing process and
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journey for the individualcollective healing process and
journey for the individual.
So if you're listening rightnow and you've went through
deliverance and you still feelterrible, that's why Therapy you
may need a 12-step program.
So it's that deliverance isonly part of the equation.
It is not the entire equation.
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Here's another example I hadanother exorcist recently
contact me and asked if I couldhelp her with a more advanced
case of exorcism.
And I said send me thespiritual profile and for you,
listening for a while.
You understand this is intakequestions that I have people
fill out before I meet with themto assess critically and
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through logic entry points ofdemons through the family,
through marriage, all thesedifferent aspects.
Okay, so I get this spiritualprofile for this particular
client and I'm reading downthrough and the amount of trauma
that this particular client hadexperienced.
As crazy as this sounds, shehad no business coming for an
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exorcism, as her starting pointright, her starting point needed
to be therapy.
She needed emotional stability,she needed medicated, she
needed to process throughhorrendous amounts of trauma in
her life and then, when shewould get to a state where she
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was stable enough, had workedthrough trauma enough, then
start the exorcism.
So I share this with you guysto simply say if you've tried
therapy and you still feel likegarbage emotionally, perhaps you
need to go for exorcism.
Likewise, if you've went fordeliverance ministry and you
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still feel like garbage, perhapsyou need therapy, perhaps you
need a psychiatric evaluation tosee is there something
genetically wrong with me thatmedication can help.
I tell clients this all the time.
I told a client this, I thinklast month or the month prior.
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I said, listen, you need to goget a psychological evaluation,
go to a psychiatrist, get tested, see what it is that you have
so that you can get the correctmedication.
This particular client would goto his primary care physician,
his family doctor, and say I'mdepressed, here's Zoloft, or I
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have anxiety, here's Busporin,or I have lower back pain,
here's pain.
It was like a candy store.
And the client even told methis.
He said it's like a candy store, I can get whatever I want.
And I said here's what you need.
Go get that psyche valve so youactually know what you have,
instead of just randomlyguessing based on symptom.
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They can test you, get you theproper medication that'll help
you feel better emotionally,then come back for exorcism.
So interesting kind of pointersto share with you guys as
you're learning about this ormaybe trying this yourself and
trying to get better.
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It's all part of the healingjourney and I want you to
understand this here, that thisis what Western Christianity
says is impossible.
Got that your pastor.
Chances are at your church ifyou went up and said I have a
demon, I need an exorcism.
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He'd say Christians can't havedemons.
Why is that?
Because Western Christianity inour seminaries especially in
America— we teach thatChristians can't have demons.
That's simply not true.
We have so many deliveranceministries that's came out since
COVID.
Now, granted, not everydeliverance ministry is balanced
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.
There's a lot of wackiness outthere, I get that, but there are
legitimate, stable,professional exorcism and
deliverance ministries that areavailable, with all the
testimonies on YouTube from allthese different ministries, mine
included.
Are all of these people crazy?
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Are all of these people lying?
No, they're not.
So if your pastor is sayingChristians can't have demons,
that's simply not true.
I'm not suggesting to leaveyour church because your pastor
may believe that.
I'm just saying it's not true.
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And many of the problems thatyou're experiencing in your life
, or some of the problems, couldbe because you have demons.
And when the Western churchteaches that Christians can't
have demons, there's only twothings you got to help you you
ready Outside of the Lord andthe Bible and church and worship
and all that.
Number one is therapy, which isa good thing, and then the
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second thing is your sinfulnature.
That's it.
That's all they can offer you.
So your pastor is going to saylook, it's your sinful nature.
That's why you, mrs Smith, aredrinking a bottle of wine every
night, because your anxiety isso bad you can't even go to
sleep.
So you pop a cork and you drinkan entire bottle of wine.
But that's just your sinfulnature.
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Well, you're self-medicatingand oftentimes that's because of
trauma and there's demons there.
So it's always going to be yoursinful nature or therapy,
that's it.
And so if none of those help,you guess what?
Your Western church throwstheir hands up in the air and
says sorry, we can't help you.
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You must not want to change.
That's not true.
You have demons.
You need exorcism.
That's why you struggle.
That's why you can't shakewhatever it is that you have.
But keep in mind, this is onlypart of the equation Exorcism
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plus therapy, plus whatever elseyou might need to become well
and healed in a healing journey.
Rachel, I'm going to come backto you.
Any thoughts on some of thisI've been sharing.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yes, absolutely so.
I work with people fromdifferent churches and ever
since I've been trained in thisprocess with Dr Larson and the
questionnaire I usually givepeople, whether Christian or not
.
I give them this questionnairejust to see what their spiritual
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profile looks like, and so manytimes Christians come in with
all sorts of entanglements fromthe occult things that they may
have done in the past that maybethey're not doing now, but
they've never actually went backand reconciled with the Lord
over, and so it's an open doorin our life.
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So, for example, I was workingwith a young woman recently and
she was Christian, but then shewas also practicing Hindu
Buddhist practices.
She was regularly going tomeditate in a Hindu temple with
her friends and she didn't thinkthat there was anything wrong
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with that.
She was reading some of thewritings of those religions and
of those teachers.
She was watching the YouTubeteachers.
So all this is to say is thatshe was very far from the Lord
when she came to work with meand through our time together,
she manifested several times,and one time she actually became
(30:54):
a snake and she was slitheringin the armchair where she was
sitting in a very unnatural way,but all that is to say it was
demonic kind of strongholds thathave surfaced over her.
I worked with her and now she'svery new but budding believer
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and she can read the Bible andunderstand it in a different way
.
She loves the Word of God,she's part of a Christian
community, she's growing, she'sgetting stronger.
So this is just one example ofa Christian who came to me who
was thinking that she wasChristian, but she was actually
very far from the Lord, wasentangled in all sorts of other
(31:38):
type of practices, and part ofit was because of her health.
She was trying to look for waysto heal from certain things and
she thought that these otherpractices could help her heal
and so she walked away from theLord because of that.
And so it's amazing, it's likealmost night and day the change
(32:00):
in her.
And this kind of example istrue for so many other people
that I've worked with and Icontinue working with in my
practice.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
That's excellent.
I had a woman reach out to methat just booked a session.
She's been a Christian for 30years.
There's no adultery in hermarriage.
They're happily married.
They have several children.
She heard my podcast.
She gets a hold of me for afree 20-minute consultation.
You could do that.
If you'd ever want.
(32:30):
Go to justindeedcom forward,slash help and submit the form
and if it's a fit, we'll meetfor a 20-minute meet and greet
and see what's going on and ifit'd be a good fit to work
together.
So this is what she did and here, when she was 21, right before
she was married or while she wasmarried, early on in her
marriage, she went to a psychicto see if she was going to have
(32:54):
children.
And when she heard one of mypodcasts, the Holy Spirit
brought conviction and thismemory back to her and she then
started understanding aboutgenerational curses that could
be on the family.
And then the Holy Spirit hadher remember that her
grandmother went to a psychic aswell and I'm sure it goes way
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back further than grandma.
This is generational witchcraftand she's seeing and evaluating
her world now with this newunderstanding of spiritual
warfare, demons, generationalcurses, and she sees how it's
impacting her children.
So she came, humbled herselfand said I need help, I need to
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break this and get rid of thesedemons.
I now understand what's goingon, and so just another example
of somebody again, this is aworking professional.
Again, this is a workingprofessional.
This is a school teacher,college-educated Christian woman
that came across this.
Most people would look, oh,that's just a psychic, not a big
(34:05):
deal.
Satan doesn't care.
If you get a tarot card reading, he can come in.
See, people want to minimizeSatan.
Satan can enter you if you, asa sarcastic example, maybe have
a rock in your pocket and maybethat rock was used in some type
(34:27):
of ritual and you're carrying itaround as your good luck rock
he could get in that way.
Or crystals how many Christiansuse crystals, lay them on their
body and think it's going tobring healing and it's a mess
out there.
Folks Like we got to get ourheads in the game, get cleaned
up and get back to thefoundation of our Christianity,
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which is Jesus Christ, salvation, the Trinity, cleaning up,
sanctification, dying to self,all that good stuff.
I just wanted to share this withyou guys to reinforce what Emmy
was saying about theseChristian clients coming.
So here's another thought, andI'm going to come to you about
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this too, emmy.
Here's what I don't get guys,all of you listening.
Here's what I do not understandwhy and I'll say this to you
with an assumption that you maybe this person and you may not
if this does not fit to yoursituation, by all means
disregard it.
And I do not mean this in anoffensive way.
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I mean this as a way tochallenge and encourage you.
Here's my question for youchallenge and encourage you.
Here's my question for you.
Why is it you do not want toself-improve?
I want you to think about thatfor a minute.
Why do you not want toself-improve?
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Why do you want to stay in yourdysfunction?
Why do you want to stay in theemotional baggage, the traumas?
Another question why do you wantto live a lie, an illusion that
you're okay because you have amarriage and a nice house and
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nice things?
So outwardly it's all a lie.
You look well put together butinside very broken.
My friend, let me encourage youImprove, improve.
You are worthy of improving.
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You are a creation of God.
He loves you.
You don't listen to thisministry just on a whim.
You're here because God isdealing with you.
You and I both know this.
So it really boils down to justletting the pride go and saying
(36:56):
I'm broken.
It doesn't matter about theFacebook pictures, where that's
all an illusion too.
Everyone's smiling, everybody'shappy all the time.
All of us listening know that'sfake.
Certainly there are some truehappy pictures on Facebook.
I don't mean to imply thatevery picture out there is a lie
(37:17):
, but a lot of it is, and weknow that deep down inside.
So why don't we improve?
Why don't we fix that?
Why don't we get rid of demonsthat are vexing us?
That's my question for youlistening.
That's my encouragement for you.
Shatter that lie that you'rewell put together and you don't
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have demons and I'm fine, you'refine, we're all fine.
Let's just keep smiling ourfake smile when we go to church.
God bless you, brother, I gotthe victory.
Hallelujah, praise.
No, inside you're broken,drinking a bottle of wine every
night, or, in my case, I wasdrinking a gallon of Captain
(38:05):
Morgan rum every week.
Hey, I'm speaking from personalexperience.
There's no judgment here.
I was broken.
Listen to episode one,overcoming the Darkness.
Check out my story.
You better believe I was broken.
I humbled myself and came forhelp.
Rachel, I'm going to come backto you.
You are a therapist and you arean exorcist.
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Why is it that?
Why do you think people do notwant to self-improve?
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Justin, it could be different reasons.
Some of the reasons that cometo mind is that it could be just
too broken, that too manythings may have happened in
their lives and they feel thatit's too late for them or
there's just no way that theycan receive any healing of any
sorts or any relief.
(38:58):
So that could be one reason.
Another reason could be thatthey may not understand that
healing is possible, that nomatter what happened to them,
god wants that closerelationship so that he can
change and heal and redeem theirlives, and so that's another
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possibility as well.
Is that just people not knowingthat healing is possible, no
matter what has happened?
And a third reason could bethat they just don't know.
They don't know that the powerof the cross, that Jesus died on
the cross for this to be setfree from the devil, from the
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enemy, and through his blood.
And we have been bought andtherefore we belong to Jesus,
and when we become part of hiskingdom, then the enemy has to
flee.
Part of his kingdom, then theenemy has to flee.
He cannot stay, and so it couldbe just not knowing.
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The Bible says that peopleperish for the lack of knowledge
.
Maybe this is what it refers to.
But if you think that you'retoo broken, that is a lie from
the enemy.
There is room for improvement,there's room for healing,
there's room for new in yourlife, and I can tell you so many
stories from my own experienceworking with people over the
(40:30):
many years that I have been acounselor, that healing is
possible, and no matter howbroken you think you are, it's
not a burden or a hardship ofGod to start healing you and
redeeming you, and in ways thatyou don't even know, wonderful
ways that you don't even know orunderstand how it could happen.
(40:53):
And so I would say give God thebenefit of the doubt and give
him a chance and turn to him andoffer up your brokenness.
Go for counseling and go forexorcism and maybe a combination
of both and pray and study theBible and deepen your
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relationship with the Lord andsee where he will lead you.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
This is where we're at, guys.
We have been on this journeytogether through all of these
episodes and the message is thesame you can be free.
And my hope is that you wouldtake this is like I've said this
many times if I would have hadthis when I was, say, 19, 20
(41:42):
years old or even 30, my entirelife could have been so much
better.
So I just want to encourage youguys listening and to say this
is available for you and itdoesn't have to be with my
ministry, it could be with anydeliverance ministry.
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Just research it, make sureit's valid and legitimate and
they're submitted to some typeof pastoral covering, etc.
Etc.
And really consider taking thisup and getting into the
self-improvements I think we'veshared enough in this episode to
give you guys food for thought.
I appreciate each of you comingand listening and I pray that
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you are encouraged by this, notdiscouraged, but encouraged by
it.
And speaking of encouragement,rachel, I'm going to come to you
at the end of every episode.
Encouragement, rachel, I'mgoing to come to you at the end
of every episode.
I always ask my guest to offerwords of encouragement to the
listeners.
So there are people listeningwho know that they need
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deliverance, but maybe they'reafraid.
There are people who arelistening that are on the fence
about it, and then there arepeople who are listening or just
there's just no way.
So there's different types ofpeople that listen, and so,
rachel, I'd like for you tooffer some words of
encouragement to those listening.
(43:07):
Why should they consider goingthrough a deliverance?
Speaker 2 (43:13):
I want to encourage everyone out there who's
listening that, no matter whathappened to you, that healing is
possible, that there's nothingthat the Lord can't heal and
can't set right in due time.
And I would love to share a lotmore stories with you.
(43:35):
In my years of many years ofpractice Now, I've seen so many
healings and deliverances,people getting better,
completely better, from beingtraumatized like severely
traumatized.
So it is not true that you'retoo broken and there's no hope
for you.
That is the lie of the enemy.
(43:56):
There's no hope for you.
That is the lie of the enemy.
And so I would like tochallenge you to look into
counseling, look into themedication, look into the
exorcism and, even beyond all ofthis, press into Jesus, keep
him right in the forefront andlearn the Bible and pray to him
(44:20):
and ask him into your life andask him to step into every
single situation that you'refacing.
And as you're doing that, youwill see, you'll start to see
the fingerprints of God in yourlife and how he works and the
amazing things that he's goingto be doing with your life and
(44:41):
with you, and you will trulynever be the same.
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