Can trauma fracture the soul and open the door to demons?
In this episode of The Blind Exorcist, I’m interviewed by Urska Rubin on her podcast Captainese. We go deep into the misunderstood world of Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID), exploring how trauma can split the psyche, creating multiple personalities as a means of survival. But this isn’t just a mental health conversation—it’s also about the spiritual war happening behind the scenes.
We explore the overlap between DID, demonic possession, soul fragmentation, and how deliverance ministry addresses what psychology often misses. From stories of survivors switching between 15–20 personalities a day, to exorcisms that reveal hidden torment, this conversation challenges myths and offers powerful insight into real-life spiritual warfare.
📌 What you’ll discover in this episode:
✅ How trauma and dissociation can lead to spiritual fragmentation
✅ The connection between DID and demonic oppression
✅ Why exorcism and therapy can work hand-in-hand
✅ A biblical perspective on soul ties, identity, and healing
✅ Real stories of women living with 15+ alters
✅ The role of psychedelics in spiritual vulnerability
✅ Why the media’s portrayal of exorcism misses the truth
If you're ready to move past stereotypes and face the real intersection of trauma and deliverance, don’t miss this one.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Exposing the darkness , revealing the light.
Welcome, my friends, to Episode12 of the Blind Exorcist.
And you guessed it, it's me,Justin D, your host.
If you're new to the podcast,welcome.
Before I share what today'sabout, just a quick reminder
(00:20):
Make sure to join, subscribe,share out, get this out to
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they're not Christian.
Hand it out to your friends.
They don't have to be Christianto listen to TBE.
A lot of the people who listento the podcast aren't even
Christian.
How cool is that?
(00:40):
Welcome everyone, everyone'swelcome, man.
So anyhow, today for Episode 12,recently I was interviewed on a
video podcast named CaptainEase.
Now this young woman contactedme on the internet through my
website and wanted to interviewme and this is interesting on
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the topic of multiplepersonality disorder.
I will post a link to theYouTube version of this, but
unfortunately she sped up myvoice to fit her 50 minute time
frame for her video podcast, soI sound like a chipmunk.
So I said man, this content isso rich, awesome, people are
(01:25):
going to be fascinated by it.
I just wanted to put it outhere for y'all to hear.
This has been recorded on Zoom.
The audio is good, but it's notgoing to be at the quality
you're used to hearing on here.
But, believe me, it is verygood.
This young woman is not aChristian.
In fact, at one point she talksabout dropping psychedelics,
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and we talk about that, so keepthis in mind.
This is someone who's not aChristian.
God bless her, and it wasawesome being interviewed by her
.
Hope you enjoy this.
Are you ready?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
To me and correct me if I'm wrong.
What trauma basically is thegap between the expected
behavior or events and actualbehavior.
Because if you expect somethingis going to happen, no matter
how bad it is, you won't betraumatized.
So there has to be a lack ofexpectation there, and I
personally see most personalitydisorders and mental disorders
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as a response to trauma.
That also goes for multiplepersonality disorder, or now
people call it dissociativepersonality disorder.
Would you agree with that?
Do you think it's always, doesit always come from trauma?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yes, in my experience .
Now, just for the record, I'mnot a therapist, I'm not a
counselor, I am an exorcist,that's certified.
So when I work with people withregards to demon possession, I
have training to deal withdissociative identity disorder,
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because when you're working withsomebody that has demons, they
speak through the person.
Is this the person?
Is it a demon?
Is it a disassociative identity?
What is this speaking to me?
As I work with people In thecontext of exorcism, I see
disassociative identity disordervery frequently and to your
(03:23):
point, yes, it is all fromtrauma, unexpected trauma, a lot
of times in childhood,sometimes in teenage years,
things like rape, incest,molestation, kidnapping, all
these sorts of things that causethis, like you're saying,
unexpected trauma on a person'spsyche.
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I was working with a clientwhose father, from the age of
five till 13, would sodomize herand this was incest.
And so, at five years old, thisyoung girl, inside of her own
mind, the unexpected behaviorwas sodomy, which is a God awful
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sexual act to do on an innocentchild.
So in this client's mind it'shappening to Sally, it's not
happening to me, and so it's asurvival technique.
It's a gift, because if peoplecould not split off, they
mentally would crack.
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And so when someone is goingthrough trauma, they say it's
happening to Jenny, it's nothappening to me, or it's
happening to John, it's nothappening to me.
So then the core person doesnot feel that pain.
John over here feels it, orSally over here feels that pain
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and takes that pain for them.
So they're hiding behind thedisassociative identity as a
five year old child, as a 13year old child, as a 16 year old
teenager.
They don't understand thatthey're doing this.
It just happens for them.
If that makes sense, yeah, thattotally makes sense.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
In a way it's very extreme, but it's also pretty
brilliant.
It's almost genius, it's asuperpower.
And, as it relates to all theother ways of compensating for
your traumatic experience, andhaving multiple personality
disorder is not that detrimentalas opposed to an addiction or
maybe something like that, andit's a very good shield from
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traumatic experiences.
And I think that's what shocksme about it is to what length
our mind can really go in orderto protect us from trauma.
It's really.
It's very surprising.
When I learned about themultiple personality disorder,
at first I was very skepticalabout it, and I know that as a
young child I think every one ofus as children we have these
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multiple personalities that welike to go to because it's a
fantasy play.
But when there's traumainvolved, those become real and
they don't really combinethemselves into one personality.
They remain fractured.
Yes, and the question is it ismy understanding that the more
traumatic the event was, themore personalities you have to
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have, because it's a heavierburden and for only three people
to carry it, for example, itwould be just too much, so you
have to have multiple, reallymultiple people carrying that
throughout.
Is it true that the more traumayou have, the more fragmented
you are.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yes, it is very true.
Yeah, so trauma does not haveto be sexual in nature.
Trauma can be if you're in warand you're a soldier and you had
to murder and kill people, butyou really did not want to do
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that as a person, but you werein the military, maybe because
your family was in the military,but you were.
So as you're murdering people,sometimes people during battle,
they will disassociate.
I'm not doing this.
Frank is doing this Right.
So I just wanted to mentionthat because a lot of times when
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we talk about disassociativeidentity disorder, we want to
focus on the extreme cases ofsexual abuse, rape, trauma, and
those are awful things thatpeople go through.
There are different ways thatpeople can disassociate and, to
your point, it is a gift and, asan exorcist, it's a gift from
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God, that's the way that I wouldexplain it.
It's wonderful that they canprotect themselves in this way,
especially the children,especially the teenagers.
Some I've worked with clientsthat were raped by multiple men
in university and disassociatedfrom that.
It's a way of dealing with this.
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But what happens is at acertain point in time, with age
there is no specific age that Iknow but those memories start
fading into the core personalityof the person.
They just can't keep everythingseparated anymore in the mind.
A client that might be 28 or 30years old all of a sudden
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starts having these memories andthey and she or he thinks I'm
crazy, I never experienced this,what's going on here?
This is nuts, that I'm seeingmy father rape me or I'm seeing
an uncle abuse me or whatever itis that they experienced,
because at a certain point intime it's too hard to keep all
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that managed, and I thinknormally that's when people
start to pursue therapy becausethey don't understand what's
going on, and also exorcism,because they think I have demons
, and that's how that unfoldsover time, cause a lot of the
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disassociation happens in earlychildhood, teenage years, young
adult years.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Also.
Addiction, for example, is asofter version of the
association, because in thattime, when you are high or drunk
, you don't necessarily feel allthose emotions.
You can say that you aredissociating from it.
And I always think I have avery interesting way of looking
at addictions and evenpersonality disorders or any
disorder any compensation fortrauma, I think and people want
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to fix them and people haveproblems with them, and fair
enough.
But I think, in a way, thankGod that person developed that
addiction or a disorder orwhatever it is, because, as you
said before, it's a shield,because maybe if they wouldn't
have done that, maybe they wouldcommit suicide.
And as a therapist, youshouldn't be angry towards the
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addiction because they're here,they're alive, because if
they're dead it's gonna be hardto work with them.
So at least they're here, right?
So it definitely served apurpose.
Now, just to explain you have ahost, which is you.
This is the main person andthen you have alters.
Alters are.
Well, your persona isfragmented into different
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personalities, which are calledalters.
There are known limits as tohow many alters there can be,
and men tend to have less altersthan women.
Now there are people who arefaking every single mental
disorder there is, and, ofcourse, there are people who are
faking this one as well, and meI'm not really.
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I don't really know about it asmuch as you.
There was an interview with awoman in Australia who had 2300
personalities.
One of them was a small child,and that small child was
supposed to be few years old,but when she entered into that,
when that small child came out,she was using words like
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prosecution and appealing in atrial.
To me that was a dead giveawaythat she was faking it, because
as a child, you don't even havethat in your vocabulary.
So, there are people who arefaking it.
Do you think that these peopledo more harm than good, because,
in a way, they're spreadingawareness, but they're also
spreading skepticism?
Speaker 1 (11:23):
I deal with skepticism all the time because
I'm an exorcist.
I deal in the supernaturalrealm.
So, yes, skepticism is acrossmany things in life, including
multiple personality disorders.
When a child alter trulyappears in my experience, they
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talk like an infant, they talklike a child.
And when I work with adisassociative identity that is
a child.
I have children myself.
I've raised four children, so Iinteract with that child alter
just like it's a child.
Yeah, I've not seen what youwatched with the woman from
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Australia.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
But it sounds that really, these type of people I
don't blame people for beingskeptical when this is, and this
is basically what they put outin the media, right Apart from
alters who are psychopaths,which are not that many, but
media made it seems as if thesepeople are dangerous somehow.
There was also an interviewwith a woman who had multiple
alters and one of them was a gayguy.
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Now, mind you, she was astraight woman, married to her
husband, but she had one of heralters was a gay guy who had a
boyfriend and her husband wasokay with that, and that raised
suspicions for me, but Iunderstand it.
The other one was somebody whosmoked.
The other alters seemed tosmoke and I understood it, but
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at the same time, in my head Iwas like that's very convenient
for you, you can cheat and youcan.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Be whatever you want, hey it's the alter, it's not me
, it's the alter.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Right yeah, interesting.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
A big part of the dissociative personality
disorder, or multiplepersonality disorder, is
dissociative amnesia.
So this is when you can'trecall information about
yourself or the events or peoplein your life, especially from a
traumatic time.
Dissociative amnesia can bespecific to events in a certain
time, such as intense combat or,more rarely, it can involve a
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complete loss of a memory aboutyourself.
A big component of the multiplepersonality is amnesia After
one alter comes out.
How much of what he or she didor said does the host remember,
so to speak?
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Yeah, so if it's full disassociation, let me explain.
I have a woman that I know,that I have worked with, that
has multiple personalitydisorder.
So she would go and get dressedand would be looking in the
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mirror and another alter wouldsurface and not like it, take
all those clothes off, changeinto what she liked, and then
would look in the mirror andanother alter would surface and
don't care for that and take offthe clothes and put different
clothes on and this patternwould repeat.
And so then the host would comeback and the core person and
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see clothes all over the placeand what's going on?
Right, that's truedisassociation.
True disassociation is whereyou are.
You are completely cut off fromthe core personality.
You function as a separate,complete identity.
You have your own tastes, yourown food likes, you have your
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own clothing and so forth.
So it is possible for adisassociated part of a person,
if fully disassociated, toabsolutely have different likes,
dislikes and so forth withinthat person's psyche.
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So when you're mentioning aboutsomebody smoking, somebody
sleeping around, I deal withdisassociation again from an
exorcist perspective.
We're dealing with demonsinside of people and they are
actually integrated into thedisassociative identity.
So we work with theseidentities one on one or I
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should say I do and then have todeal with the demons that are
attached to those disassociativeidentities.
Now, how I know that this canhappen meaning maybe an altar
can smoke, maybe another altarthinks it's a guy.
I have seen where there arealtars inside of a person.
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The core person is wantingfreed from demons okay, but the
altars within are witches.
So you have somebody that iswanting freed.
They are a Christian and I'mworking with them, but there are
altars that have separated offthrough trauma, that are into
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witchcraft.
Those are diametrically opposedbelief systems, and so what's
my point?
It can happen, people candisassociate.
I spoke with men and women.
The whole disposition of thatfemale changes.
It literally is anotherpersonality that I'm speaking to
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, just like how you and I arespeaking.
If someone else came and satdown in your chair and they put
on your headset or whateveryou're wearing which, by the way
, I'm blind, I don't know if wementioned that, just to let
people know.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Oh yeah by the way, audience Justin is blind, but he
does a great job of beingonline.
He's actually way more techsavvy than me and I can see
fairly well.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yes, and so, anyhow, that's how it is, and so people
might be wondering how do I seethese personalities when they
surface?
How, as an exorcist, do I know?
When a demon is speakingthrough someone, the whole
disposition, tone of the voiceand mannerisms completely change
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within that person.
When a child alter, like wewere talking earlier, comes up
in an adult, male or female, itis literally talking to me like
a little child.
It sounds just like a childbecause that's when that split
happened.
If that split happened at sevenyears old, that identity is
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going to act as a child.
It is going to act just like aseven-year-old child, as
somebody that can't see.
It's not very difficult for meto know when I'm working with
somebody.
When an alter surfaced and isspeaking, I was working with a
young man a couple of weeks ago.
He's 35 years old and instantlyI knew through mannerism,
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through tone, through the use oflanguage, that a 35-year-old
person may not be saying what a14-year-old would say.
All of a sudden I'm talking toa 14-year-old teenager.
So I said to the client how oldare you?
How old do you feel right now?
14.
, okay, and so I began in Iraqwith this 14 year old who had
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suffered tremendous abuse at thehouse oh my God, just awful.
And then also the horrendousamounts of rejection through
high school.
So this 14 year old is verbatimrepeating back to me the things
that happened to this identitywithin this young man.
It's fascinating.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
But if everything that we develop is to help us
cope in some way, shield thetrauma or help us in other ways,
what would then be the role ofthe demons?
Actually, how do you define ademon?
Okay, good question.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
A demon is something you cannot see, it is
supernatural and it is somethingthat by nature is evil, and the
only thing that this entitywants to do is cause absolute
harm, emotional suffering anddeath within a person, so that
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death can be death ofrelationships, death of finances
.
The ultimate goal of mostdemons, these evil entities, is
to have a person kill themselves.
So that's pretty much how Iwould describe what a demon is.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Do you have any idea what's the reason behind that
motive of a demon?
Speaker 1 (20:13):
I have a Christian worldview perspective because I
am a Christian exorcist.
There are different types ofexorcists, but I'm a Christian
exorcist so by nature theyoppose God, who created all.
He kicks them out of heaven andtheir nature changed from being
angelic to evil because therewas a separation from God,
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because they were rebelliousagainst God.
Now this sounds like fairy taleand fictitious things, but I
can tell you when a demonmanifests inside of somebody
that I work with, their entirebody and disposition is taken
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over by this evil entity.
Their voice sounds very evil,it makes the hair stand up on
the back of your neck when theymanifest and they are
diametrically.
They are opposed to anythingholy.
So I don't know if that helpsanswer your question, but the
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reason is it's their nature.
They want to kill and they wantto destroy, period.
It's the way they are.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah, so then again, good luck finding a better
explanation than this, because Idon't see it.
Yeah, is there?
Ok?
So is every one of us accept issusceptible to these demons, or
only people who are, who havebeen traumatized, and it's, in a
way, an open wound.
It's a very good question.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Everybody is susceptible to them.
I myself had demons.
Now I'm a software engineer, acloud architect For those who
are in IT.
I'm very analytical.
I am not one to.
I'm a pessimist by nature, soI'm not one to jump into the
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belief that there's asupernatural realm.
Very quickly OK.
But I myself had demons and itwas a very severe case of demons
.
So I went for an exorcismmyself to get rid of these.
Now, the demons that I had atbirth, some of it was from my
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ancestors, the things that theydid, and some of them were in me
from the things that I did inlife.
So demons just can't attacksomebody and torture them for no
reason.
They have to have a legal right, a contract, just like if you
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and I sat down at the table andI pulled out a piece of paper
and put it down, I said we'regoing to have a legal contract
that if I'm on your podcast,you're going to pay me five
million dollars.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
No, that was an evil laugh.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
And so you signed a contract and I signed a contract
.
We have a legal agreement Inthe supernatural realm this
concept is how it really trulyoperates.
Demons, the ones who want totorment you, have to have a
legal agreement to come intoyour mind and begin to torment
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you.
And so what are those legalagreements?
There could be many of them.
For example, a lot of theclients that I work with they
take psychedelic drugs so theydrop acid, and when you do that,
you open your mind up to thesupernatural.
It's like a big open door thatis open.
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And of course, we know peoplewho have went on trips and have
seen very evil things.
They have seen demons.
They have seen very bad thingsI don't know about.
In America we call it a badtrip, and so that is an example
of creating a legal right.
So when somebody sitting acrossfrom me as a client and they I
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know that they have dropped acid, we need to work through that.
And when the demon it's calledmanifests, meaning takes over
their body, their eyes dilatecompletely black.
They have no white.
You're looking into the eyes ofevil.
No question asked.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
I myself have taken psychedelics before and I had a
bad trip and it was prettyterrible and I was alone and I
most of the times when there isa bad trip, the person is alone,
which is interesting, and itmakes sense with what you just
said.
Do you think and I personallybelieve, that is the biggest
risk of psychedelics the badtrip, because I've opened my
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mind to everything multipletimes I like taking psychedelics
, I'm just going to say it.
I don't take them a lot, butwhen I do take them it's always
the experience, right?
Do you have a multiplepersonality disorder?
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Myself personally.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
No, I do not.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
What is the difference between having a
multiple personality disorderand having demons in you that
take over every now and then?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Demons are designed to kill you.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Oh, I see.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Yeah, disassociate of identities are designed to help
you survive.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Okay, but in the dissociative identity disorder
there is also there can also bealtars who do try to harm you.
Are those?
What purpose do these altersserve?
Or are they tried to harm thehost or the other altar?
Speaker 1 (25:59):
They can.
It depends.
It's like this.
We all know people who cut forpain.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Right.
So people have pain and theycut to release that pain.
Okay, so the core personalityis not a cutter and the core
personality may handle paindifferently.
Okay, but an altar can be acutter, so they're cutting the
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core personality.
The core is not really aware ofit, so the altar feels the pain
of the trauma that it'sexperienced and it could be a
cutter, so it'll cut and thenthe core personality will come
back and see that there's cutmarks on their arms, their
forearms, and are quite confusedby it.
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So a lot of times that's whenthey'll go and start therapy.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah, are they.
Can they?
Can these people with thisdisorder control when an altar
comes out?
Let's say, if someone, if analtar wants to come out, can
they push them back down?
Or does it take too much energy, or is it just impossible to do
it?
Speaker 1 (27:12):
They just switch it's .
Yeah, they just switch likeboom.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
How often does that happen, like on average?
Speaker 1 (27:22):
I can't give statistics on that, but I know
of one woman that she and she ismarried.
So her husband and her daughtershe has a teenage daughter that
understands and are in therapyfor the disassociation that she
has.
But she'll switch 15, 20 timesa day.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
How does someone like that live?
Because I assume these peoplewant to have jobs, they want to
drive, they want to do thingsthat other people do.
How is that possible?
How do they cope?
It's very strenuous on andactually I have one question If
let's say they are in, let's sayit's a host and they're on a
road, is it possible that thechild altar comes out, or will?
Speaker 1 (28:13):
it automatically really.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Will it automatically be changed or switched to the
other altar that is an adult, inorder to protect themselves?
Speaker 1 (28:23):
No, I understand what you're saying.
I've never experienced that.
That's a phenomenal question.
I don't have an answer for thatone, okay.
So if a child altar comes outwhile she's driving, do they
just wreck into a tree and dieRight, or does a protective
mechanism come up where anotheraltar comes out and drives?
Speaker 2 (28:46):
And also does that protective altar comes out quick
enough.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
The switches are almost instant, as quick as you
can blink your eyes.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
how quick a person can switch, yeah.
Okay, so it's very quick andit's always cause it would be
inconvenient, to say the least,absolutely.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
But I know that there are people that have
disassociative identity disorder.
They work, they drive, andsometimes there is a personality
within them that will do thework, and sometimes it is the
core person that does the work.
Just cause someone'sdisassociative doesn't mean that
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they can't work or have anormal job.
They can't.
That core person can work.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Sure, and so can the altars.
And the altars, that's right.
They're more capable than thehost.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yes, so one that I knew in her mid forties she
would switch.
This is amazing.
She switched into a 21 year oldaltar.
Now she's 40.
So this 21 year old altardressed her makeup and
everything she looked literally.
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She was 21 years old and shewent to work.
The altar, the 21 year old,went to work and they didn't
know who it was.
Wow, the change was thatdrastic that they did not know
who it was.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Wow, mm.
Hmm.
What was the highest number ofaltar you came across in your
work?
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Mm, hmm, a thousand A little more than a thousand.
Yeah, wow.
And so these need mapped out,they need networked and to
understand the relationshipbetween them, all the traumas.
It's a very involved process.
Now, again, I'm not a therapist, but I have to be trained on
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this as an exorcist so that Ican know what is a demon, what
is a disassociative identity andwhat is the core of a person.
So you begin to map these outand the identities will help you
as well.
You have to be, you have to go.
Yeah, I was going to say youhave to earn the trust.
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Someone could have, as anexample, 25 altars and for them
to come out, you have to buildtrust with them and so that that
happens over time and there'salways a protector altar, always
a protector.
They're the ones that are toprotect that core person, no
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matter what.
They're very tough, they'rebrutal, they doesn't matter if
it's male or female.
That altar is tough and it'sthe protector.
You're not going to harm thisperson.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
It's a very common pattern to have one who is a
protective and then one altarwho is child, because that's
usually that's when the abusehappened.
Yes, but as now, not to giveanyone any ideas, but isn't it
easier for someone who isdealing with a person who has
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the multiple personalitydisorder or their friend or an
associate to and has an amnesiaafter a certain altar came out,
wouldn't it be easier to, eithersexually or otherwise, abuse
that person and the only onealter and the only one who would
remember it would be the altar?
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Yes, that's correct, and sometimes altars want that
abuse because it's like thephenomena of falling in love
with your abuser.
I don't know if you've heard ofthat.
The.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Stockholm syndrome.
Yes, hmm, yes, wow, wow, yeah,because I'm getting a lot to
think about.
As a therapist.
I would imagine if I had evilintentions, if I had a predatory
personality, which I do.
But let's say I was a therapistand I had someone who has
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multiple personality disorders.
I would be like if I wassomeone, I would be motivated.
It would be a good opportunityto abuse a person and they don't
remember it.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Yes, and that's very sad.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
And that is sad.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
That happens with people and therapy.
I can't say often, but it doeshappen, and not even sometimes
in the context of disassociation.
Sometimes it's just people areso hurting that a predator
therapist can take advantage ofthat, and it's evil, it's just
awful.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yeah, especially if it's a child alter, although
they are already adapted enoughthat I assume, if you started to
abuse the child alter, theprotective would come out right.
Yes, okay, so altars come outconveniently.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
And sometimes randomly.
That's what makes it so trickyis when you're in a dangerous
situation or perceived danger.
Then, yes, that protector alteris going to come out.
You know what I mean.
Sometimes it's just a switchback to the woman I was talking
to that the altars kept tryingon different clothes.
It, just as quick as you canblink your eye is as quick as
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someone can switch.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Wow, yeah, how do you treat these people?
Where do you even start?
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Definitely therapy.
You have to find a therapistthat specializes in
Disassociative Identity Disorderso that they can begin to
really heal.
And essentially what happens isthose altars basically get
integrated back into the corepersonality and that core
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personality then has to feel thepain, remember the trauma, and
then that core personality hasto process through that in
therapy.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
So if the personality disorder isn't an aesthetic, in
a way, you're essentiallytaking the numbing away and now
they have to feel the real pain.
That was there all along, butthey were just shielding it with
personalities.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Right, and with age that shield starts to fragment,
starts to fall apart and thememories start coming into the
core person, because as you age,you just can't keep it all
separate anymore.
It's too difficult, and sothat's when people start, you
know, going into therapy as anexorcist.
I work with therapists.
I don't try to, I'm not atherapist.
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I'm going to get rid of thedemons attached to those
multiple personalities, to theidentities, and then therapists
will work with integrating themback into the core.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
So in that way it's really rare to have someone with
sociable personality disorderwho's, let's say, 80, right.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yes, yeah, very much so.
Now I did hear a therapist tellme one time and this was
interesting, he didn't have anylike factual proof it was his
theory Not everybody candisassociate under trauma.
This was his theory and I canagree with that.
I don't think everybody hasthat gift, the ability, the
(36:09):
intellect to do that.
Yeah, we don't know.
So his theory was that whenpeople cannot disassociate under
trauma it's like they're tryingto but they can't.
That turns into borderlinepersonality disorder, which is
another mental, totally makessense.
(36:30):
Yeah, another mental diagnosis.
If you know anybody who hasborderline personality disorder
and you keep that in the back ofyour mind when you meet with
them, it makes sense Again.
This is in factual.
This was his theory that theywere trying to disassociate.
They could not, and so thenthey developed borderline
(36:51):
personality disorder.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
If they were more successful, they would then have
a narcissistic personalitydisorder, isn't it?
It's almost as if the personwith the borderline personality
disorder is a failed narcissistand there is this association
with all these disorders, boththe borderline and narcissism.
It can be, yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Wow, yeah that is complex.
It's complex enough withoutbringing in demons and exorcism,
because that's its own level ofcomplexity as well.
So, because I'm a softwareengineer, because I went through
my own exorcism I'm notdisassociative, but I did have
demons I have the analysis towork with people.
(37:36):
So it's awesome to be able tocompassionately work with people
and let them know you're notcrazy, I get you.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
How does it feel when you are possessed by a demon?
I know that's a weird question,but is there any way to explain
it?
How do we explain it?
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Absolutely, there's different degrees.
Just like anything in life,there's different degrees.
Sometimes it is panic attacksOK.
Sometimes it is depression,Sometimes key words, Sometimes
it's suicidal thoughts.
These are being induced, put inthe minds of people from demons
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, not all the time, butsometimes, for example, a client
might be in therapy.
I'm working with a guy now.
He's been in therapy for overtwo years.
He's medicated but nothing'sgoing away.
He still has the suicidalthoughts he still has.
So he contacted me and he saidI think I may have demons.
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And he did and the demons wereremoved and he no longer has
suicidal thoughts.
Now I'm not saying every singleperson that has suicidal
thoughts has demons.
I'm just saying or depressionor anxiety or panic attacks.
I'm not saying every personthat has demons, absolutely not.
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Those could be authentic, truepsychological issues.
But that you asked what's oneway of knowing.
That's one way that people cantell they've tried all the
medicine, they've tried all thecounseling.
Nothing gets better.
So that could be one way.
And let me give you another onereal quick is people experience
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supernatural, paranormalphenomena in their life and, for
example, they have a being,which I will say a demon, appear
at the end of their bed andthey're paralyzed, they can't
move.
This is very common.
Or they have something touchthem sexually in the middle of
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the night.
They're in the bed bythemselves and they know it was
something that wasn't really ahuman, but they've been touched
sexually.
I've had clients tell me thatthey have been raped by demons,
and so that's the extreme cases.
A client would wake up,levitated to the ceiling.
They got demons, and so that'san extreme case of how you would
(40:21):
know that you have voices inyour mind.
For example, a young woman Iwas working with recently.
She would stand in front of themirror and she would have her
clothes off and she would hearyour fat, your ugly, no one will
(40:42):
ever love you.
You're worthless, kill yourself.
Somebody's telling her thatSpeaking to her, it's not her
own thoughts, it's somethingsaying this to her.
And so she had demons, doesthat?
Speaker 2 (41:02):
help.
That does help and it explainsa lot.
And back to I was about to asksomething but I totally forgot
because I was so into what youwere saying.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Yeah, but that those are some examples.
Uncontrollable compulsions,love.
One of their maincharacteristics is compulsion
and instabilities.
Yes, this can be caused fromtrauma, absolutely.
But demons enter through traumaand they magnify it a hundred
times.
So someone might go through,say, a molestation, and so they
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escape through smoking marijuanaright, but a demon will enter
through that trauma and, insteadof just smoking marijuana, now
they're shooting up heroin.
Now they're sleeping aroundwith two, three hundred
different people.
A reckless life.
And what's causing that?
Yes, there is somepsychological aspects causing
that, but the death component,the recklessness, the trying to
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kill themselves through heroin,the recklessness of sleeping
around with two, three hundredpeople, not even caring if they
get sexual diseases, this sortof that is where you need to
pause and say is this a demon?
Yeah, many times it is.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Going past the anesthesia for the trauma and
just going all the way In a waywhen it comes to I'm going to
give an example of addictionagain, or, yeah, let's say an
addiction.
Sure, if I, if I'm also almostjealous of what these people are
experiencing in their high, soto speak, because when you smoke
(42:41):
weed or you drink, you're inthat high where everything is so
unimportant and you feel great.
Or, for example, when you'reshooting up heroin and you have
your high.
Those are the highs that I, asa sober person, will never
experience.
I'm jealous of someone beingable to push their problems, to
wait for half an hour or threehours.
I'm really jealous of that.
Now, I'm not jealous of theirlife as a whole Sure, after that
(43:04):
, but that is something that issuper, it's a superpower for
that period of time and it'ssomething that is something to
be jealous of.
Basically, I actually I haveparalysis and to me it really
helped when the first time itwas terrifying.
The second time also, the thirdtime, I was thinking to myself
(43:26):
gosh, not again.
And I was bored in a way.
It's really hard to explain,but I was bored with what was
happening and I had somehallucinations and to myself, I
started laughing really again.
That's what you're going to doagain.
This is so boring, and that'show it stopped.
The thing is it stopped Sure.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Now is it gone, though Stopping and being gone
are two different things.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Yeah, I haven't had it since.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Yeah, but the thing that you were explaining was
that you knew this was somethingdoing this to you and you were
along the persona person.
Your thought process was isthis all you have?
Yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah.
So this is what I'm saying.
People experience these sortsof paranormal phenomena in their
lives and they either tolerateit or reach out for help.
(44:20):
So I would just say, for anyonelistening, if you are
experiencing things like thisand you've tried everything, you
can try to shift whatever it isin your life that's going on
that's causing this type oftorment, emotional difficulty in
your life, contact me.
We can see if this is demoninduced.
(44:45):
By the way, just to mention realquick, I have an.
I have a podcast you guys canlisten to called the blind
exorcist, and you can listen tothat on Apple podcast, spotify,
whatever your favorite podcastapp is where I actually
interview people who have beenthrough an exorcism and it's raw
(45:06):
and it's real, it's extremelyinformative.
Hollywood makes exorcism out tobe this absolutely terrifying,
horrifying, supernatural thingthat don't touch it, but it's
really not, and so it's aninjustice.
The way I understand whyHollywood does that to make
money, to sell tickets, becausehorror films sell, right, I get
(45:29):
that, but it puts a fear inpeople of working with an
exorcist, but it's actually avery gentle process.
So I would encourage you guysto listen to the blind exorcist
podcast and listen to thesepeople's stories and I do talk
with some of the people onassociation on there as well.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
And you probably get people who look you up as their
last resort because of all theskepticism and almost not
believing that this is actuallyhappening to them.
I think they would rather seeeveryone before you, and you are
right.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Yeah, you're the one the bottom of the pot.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
You are the bottom of the pot and people are like,
okay, I tried everything.
What the hell I'm going to goto this guy?
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Yeah yeah, yeah, pretty much.
Yeah, yeah, I would say that'sa lot of the people, yeah, but
not all.
Some just flat out know I havedemons, they know it.
They just know I have demons, Igot to get rid of them and so
they'll contact me.
Absolutely yeah, there's a lotof clients that I work with
because I do intake questions oneach client.
I use analysis to evaluateentry points of demons in
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people's lives, and so a lot ofthe clients and their intake
questions and responses andstuff that's flat out tell me I
know I have demons, you knowthey harass me, they torment me,
they choke me in the middle ofthe night, they touch me
sexually, they tell me to killmyself.
They know this legitimately, isreal.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
How many of these people are actually dangerous to
other people around them?
The?
Speaker 1 (47:02):
people that I work with.
None they have.
None of them that I have workedwith have been dangerous.
There was one guy that I workedwith that I had him not stay
home with his wife and childrenbecause I knew the types of
demons that he had could beviolent.
So I had him go somewhere byhimself where I could work with
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him.
Okay, so it does happen.
Demons are very violent.
They can be.
You know, I've seen wherethere's a five foot tall woman,
which what would that be?
I'm not good at converting, butanyways, to centimeters.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
I can imagine.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
Not a very tall woman .
Let's put it yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah.
Very short woman, very superthin and five men like
bodybuilder men could barelyrestrain her.
Okay, so they can be veryviolent, it just depends on the
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type of demon that is in theperson.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
And it's amazing, the body-mind connection.
There was a case of a motherwhose child was under the car.
She lifted the whole car up.
So yeah, people, our minds arecapable and the way they
influence our bodies is it'samazing.
I even wouldn't be surprised ifsomebody had an altar who had
diabetes and they actually gotdiabetes.
(48:28):
Like I wouldn't be surprised, Ireally wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Right, and that's a good point.
I could foresee that happeningAbsolutely.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
Yeah, absolutely.
Do you think an altar canactually be someone who's blind
as well?
I'm not saying that becauseyou're blind, but I just got to
be.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
No, yeah, Absolutely, really, absolutely.
Yeah, my mentor who trained me,the exorcist that trained me.
His name is Dr Bob Larson.
He has performed over 50,000exorcisms worldwide in over 100
countries.
People fly to this man inScottsdale, arizona, from around
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the world, so he has all thesepeople from around the world to
fly in.
He works with DissociativeIdentity all the time and he has
witnessed an altar who wasblind.
Now here's one that'll blow yourmind.
I had a demon.
When I say manifest, whatmanifest means is?
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It takes over the person's body.
It takes over your voice, youreyes, your face will contort
into its disposition, and sothat's what's meant by manifest.
This thing comes inside of theperson and is fully present.
Ok, and this is.
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You can hear the story in mypodcast.
My episode is called Overcomingthe Darkness.
It's all about my demonpossession.
It's about my exorcism, how Itrained to become a certified
exorcist, all that kind of stuff.
But two times in my life, onetime I had a friend over that
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was trying to help me get rid ofa demon and it manifested and
it looked at my friend throughmy eyes and said to my friend
what a pretty pink shirt.
Well, my friend had a pinkshirt on.
(50:31):
I had no clue what he waswearing.
I'm blind.
He just came over, came in.
We were in my basement.
I was young this is when I wasprobably 22.
And I knew I had demons, but Icouldn't find anyone to help me
back then.
And so my friend said I'll tryto help you.
I just came back from Hong Kongand I seen a bunch of people
(50:55):
that had demons.
Get rid of them.
This guy was helping him.
I'll try to help you.
I said OK, he was trying tolead me through certain prayers
and this demon manifested,became fully present.
I was unconscious, I did notknow.
This happened Almost if analtar would switch.
I had no clue and it looked athim and could see crystal clear
(51:19):
out my eyes Nice pink shirt,nice pretty pink shirt.
And my friend said the hairstood up on the back of his neck
.
He was terrified.
Ok, that was one scenario.
A second scenario was theexorcist who mentored me, dr Bob
Larson.
He was holding this up across,across and I'm blind and there
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was a demon that he was workingwith in me to get rid of it.
And when he held that cross up,the demon inside could see
through my eyes and said getthat out of my face now.
Get it out of my face, removethat from me.
Fascinating.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
It's fascinating that there is a huge component of
religion there Christianity inyour case, that is.
That's very fascinating.
So when you're doing your jobof trying to remove these demons
, you basically use prayer likethat's the fundamental treatment
of yours?
Speaker 1 (52:24):
Yes, essentially it is prayers.
Yes, yeah, and so my possessionwas very severe.
I did not find Dr Larson untilI was 40.
I'm 51.
And so I suffered for years andI finally found somebody that
(52:46):
could help me, and it took 14months of working with him
because my possession was sosevere.
You can listen to my interviewwith Dr Bob Larson.
I'm on YouTube.
You can search for the blindexorcist.
It's just the audio podcast Iput up for people because a lot
of people are like I just wantto listen to it on YouTube.
(53:06):
Put it up.
So I do, but on there's anactual video interview of me and
Dr Larson, and you can hear hesaid I was in his top five to
10% of worst demon possessioncases that he's worked with.
Well done, I did want to be onthe top, though.
Speaker 2 (53:30):
Also in psychedelic trips there seems to be a
component of religion.
A lot of people who areatheists before all of a sudden
become religion after it,religious after they have a
psychedelic trip.
So I assume you wouldn'tnecessarily recommend people
with multiple personalitydisorder to take psychedelics at
all.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
No, I would recommend nobody to take them just
because it opens you up to thepotential of demons.
Because when you relinquishcontrol of your mind, you're
giving that control to somebody.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
So when you relinquish the control of your
mind, you're giving that controlup to somebody, and oftentimes
demons enter a people throughthat.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
Yeah, it can be heaven or hell.
You are opening the door.
You don't know what's behind it.
It can be your healing.
It can be something worse thanit was before.
I've heard of people kickingtheir addictions after a few
psychedelic trips, but then Ialso know someone who saw
himself die during a psychedelictrip and he's been more
(54:38):
depressed ever since.
So it's a really interestingphenomena.
I do take them quite a lot.
I have rooms Actually I haverooms right here.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (54:50):
I'm just saying if you ever need an extra system,
you know who to find.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
Well, see, see, I have connections, I'm connected,
I can take you Come demonsanyway.
Besides your, besides yourYouTube and your podcast, where
can people find you?
Speaker 1 (55:07):
My website.
It's simple.
It's Justin D Dot com, w W WDot, justin D Dot com and you
can pull that up and read.
You can listen to the podcaston the website too, but most
people grab it on their phones,listen when they're working out,
jogging, going to work, thattype of stuff.
Speaker 2 (55:28):
Yeah, and it's really interesting.
Yeah, there's always skeptics,so you're going to get a part of
those Absolutely.
Look people, there's people outthere who don't believe
holocaust happened.
We have a lot of skeptics outthere.
Actually, I know someone whobelieved me anyway, so thank you
so much for coming on.
Yeah, have a nice afternoon,thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (55:49):
It's been a pleasure speaking with you.
Exposing the darkness , revealing the light.
Welcome, my friends, to Episode12 of the Blind Exorcist.
And you guessed it, it's me,Justin D, your host.
If you're new to the podcast,welcome.
Before I share what today'sabout, just a quick reminder
(00:20):
Make sure to join, subscribe,share out, get this out to
family and friends so they alsocan enjoy the content, even if
they're not Christian.
Hand it out to your friends.
They don't have to be Christianto listen to TBE.
A lot of the people who listento the podcast aren't even
Christian.
How cool is that?
(00:40):
Welcome everyone, everyone'swelcome, man.
So anyhow, today for Episode 12,recently I was interviewed on a
video podcast named CaptainEase.
Now this young woman contactedme on the internet through my
website and wanted to interviewme and this is interesting on
(01:01):
the topic of multiplepersonality disorder.
I will post a link to theYouTube version of this, but
unfortunately she sped up myvoice to fit her 50 minute time
frame for her video podcast, soI sound like a chipmunk.
So I said man, this content isso rich, awesome, people are
(01:25):
going to be fascinated by it.
I just wanted to put it outhere for y'all to hear.
This has been recorded on Zoom.
The audio is good, but it's notgoing to be at the quality
you're used to hearing on here.
But, believe me, it is verygood.
This young woman is not aChristian.
In fact, at one point she talksabout dropping psychedelics,
(01:46):
and we talk about that, so keepthis in mind.
This is someone who's not aChristian.
God bless her, and it wasawesome being interviewed by her
.
Hope you enjoy this.
Are you ready?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
To me and correct me if I'm wrong.
What trauma basically is thegap between the expected
behavior or events and actualbehavior.
Because if you expect somethingis going to happen, no matter
how bad it is, you won't betraumatized.
So there has to be a lack ofexpectation there, and I
personally see most personalitydisorders and mental disorders
(02:24):
as a response to trauma.
That also goes for multiplepersonality disorder, or now
people call it dissociativepersonality disorder.
Would you agree with that?
Do you think it's always, doesit always come from trauma?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yes, in my experience .
Now, just for the record, I'mnot a therapist, I'm not a
counselor, I am an exorcist,that's certified.
So when I work with people withregards to demon possession, I
have training to deal withdissociative identity disorder,
(03:01):
because when you're working withsomebody that has demons, they
speak through the person.
Is this the person?
Is it a demon?
Is it a disassociative identity?
What is this speaking to me?
As I work with people In thecontext of exorcism, I see
disassociative identity disordervery frequently and to your
(03:23):
point, yes, it is all fromtrauma, unexpected trauma, a lot
of times in childhood,sometimes in teenage years,
things like rape, incest,molestation, kidnapping, all
these sorts of things that causethis, like you're saying,
unexpected trauma on a person'spsyche.
(03:45):
I was working with a clientwhose father, from the age of
five till 13, would sodomize herand this was incest.
And so, at five years old, thisyoung girl, inside of her own
mind, the unexpected behaviorwas sodomy, which is a God awful
(04:09):
sexual act to do on an innocentchild.
So in this client's mind it'shappening to Sally, it's not
happening to me, and so it's asurvival technique.
It's a gift, because if peoplecould not split off, they
mentally would crack.
(04:29):
And so when someone is goingthrough trauma, they say it's
happening to Jenny, it's nothappening to me, or it's
happening to John, it's nothappening to me.
So then the core person doesnot feel that pain.
John over here feels it, orSally over here feels that pain
(04:49):
and takes that pain for them.
So they're hiding behind thedisassociative identity as a
five year old child, as a 13year old child, as a 16 year old
teenager.
They don't understand thatthey're doing this.
It just happens for them.
If that makes sense, yeah, thattotally makes sense.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
In a way it's very extreme, but it's also pretty
brilliant.
It's almost genius, it's asuperpower.
And, as it relates to all theother ways of compensating for
your traumatic experience, andhaving multiple personality
disorder is not that detrimentalas opposed to an addiction or
maybe something like that, andit's a very good shield from
(05:32):
traumatic experiences.
And I think that's what shocksme about it is to what length
our mind can really go in orderto protect us from trauma.
It's really.
It's very surprising.
When I learned about themultiple personality disorder,
at first I was very skepticalabout it, and I know that as a
young child I think every one ofus as children we have these
(05:56):
multiple personalities that welike to go to because it's a
fantasy play.
But when there's traumainvolved, those become real and
they don't really combinethemselves into one personality.
They remain fractured.
Yes, and the question is it ismy understanding that the more
traumatic the event was, themore personalities you have to
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have, because it's a heavierburden and for only three people
to carry it, for example, itwould be just too much, so you
have to have multiple, reallymultiple people carrying that
throughout.
Is it true that the more traumayou have, the more fragmented
you are.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yes, it is very true.
Yeah, so trauma does not haveto be sexual in nature.
Trauma can be if you're in warand you're a soldier and you had
to murder and kill people, butyou really did not want to do
(06:58):
that as a person, but you werein the military, maybe because
your family was in the military,but you were.
So as you're murdering people,sometimes people during battle,
they will disassociate.
I'm not doing this.
Frank is doing this Right.
So I just wanted to mentionthat because a lot of times when
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we talk about disassociativeidentity disorder, we want to
focus on the extreme cases ofsexual abuse, rape, trauma, and
those are awful things thatpeople go through.
There are different ways thatpeople can disassociate and, to
your point, it is a gift and, asan exorcist, it's a gift from
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God, that's the way that I wouldexplain it.
It's wonderful that they canprotect themselves in this way,
especially the children,especially the teenagers.
Some I've worked with clientsthat were raped by multiple men
in university and disassociatedfrom that.
It's a way of dealing with this.
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But what happens is at acertain point in time, with age
there is no specific age that Iknow but those memories start
fading into the core personalityof the person.
They just can't keep everythingseparated anymore in the mind.
A client that might be 28 or 30years old all of a sudden
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starts having these memories andthey and she or he thinks I'm
crazy, I never experienced this,what's going on here?
This is nuts, that I'm seeingmy father rape me or I'm seeing
an uncle abuse me or whatever itis that they experienced,
because at a certain point intime it's too hard to keep all
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that managed, and I thinknormally that's when people
start to pursue therapy becausethey don't understand what's
going on, and also exorcism,because they think I have demons
, and that's how that unfoldsover time, cause a lot of the
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disassociation happens in earlychildhood, teenage years, young
adult years.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Also.
Addiction, for example, is asofter version of the
association, because in thattime, when you are high or drunk
, you don't necessarily feel allthose emotions.
You can say that you aredissociating from it.
And I always think I have avery interesting way of looking
at addictions and evenpersonality disorders or any
disorder any compensation fortrauma, I think and people want
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to fix them and people haveproblems with them, and fair
enough.
But I think, in a way, thankGod that person developed that
addiction or a disorder orwhatever it is, because, as you
said before, it's a shield,because maybe if they wouldn't
have done that, maybe they wouldcommit suicide.
And as a therapist, youshouldn't be angry towards the
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addiction because they're here,they're alive, because if
they're dead it's gonna be hardto work with them.
So at least they're here, right?
So it definitely served apurpose.
Now, just to explain you have ahost, which is you.
This is the main person andthen you have alters.
Alters are.
Well, your persona isfragmented into different
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personalities, which are calledalters.
There are known limits as tohow many alters there can be,
and men tend to have less altersthan women.
Now there are people who arefaking every single mental
disorder there is, and, ofcourse, there are people who are
faking this one as well, and meI'm not really.
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I don't really know about it asmuch as you.
There was an interview with awoman in Australia who had 2300
personalities.
One of them was a small child,and that small child was
supposed to be few years old,but when she entered into that,
when that small child came out,she was using words like
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prosecution and appealing in atrial.
To me that was a dead giveawaythat she was faking it, because
as a child, you don't even havethat in your vocabulary.
So, there are people who arefaking it.
Do you think that these peopledo more harm than good, because,
in a way, they're spreadingawareness, but they're also
spreading skepticism?
Speaker 1 (11:23):
I deal with skepticism all the time because
I'm an exorcist.
I deal in the supernaturalrealm.
So, yes, skepticism is acrossmany things in life, including
multiple personality disorders.
When a child alter trulyappears in my experience, they
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talk like an infant, they talklike a child.
And when I work with adisassociative identity that is
a child.
I have children myself.
I've raised four children, so Iinteract with that child alter
just like it's a child.
Yeah, I've not seen what youwatched with the woman from
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Australia.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
But it sounds that really, these type of people I
don't blame people for beingskeptical when this is, and this
is basically what they put outin the media, right Apart from
alters who are psychopaths,which are not that many, but
media made it seems as if thesepeople are dangerous somehow.
There was also an interviewwith a woman who had multiple
alters and one of them was a gayguy.
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Now, mind you, she was astraight woman, married to her
husband, but she had one of heralters was a gay guy who had a
boyfriend and her husband wasokay with that, and that raised
suspicions for me, but Iunderstand it.
The other one was somebody whosmoked.
The other alters seemed tosmoke and I understood it, but
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at the same time, in my head Iwas like that's very convenient
for you, you can cheat and youcan.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Be whatever you want, hey it's the alter, it's not me
, it's the alter.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Right yeah, interesting.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
A big part of the dissociative personality
disorder, or multiplepersonality disorder, is
dissociative amnesia.
So this is when you can'trecall information about
yourself or the events or peoplein your life, especially from a
traumatic time.
Dissociative amnesia can bespecific to events in a certain
time, such as intense combat or,more rarely, it can involve a
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complete loss of a memory aboutyourself.
A big component of the multiplepersonality is amnesia After
one alter comes out.
How much of what he or she didor said does the host remember,
so to speak?
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Yeah, so if it's full disassociation, let me explain.
I have a woman that I know,that I have worked with, that
has multiple personalitydisorder.
So she would go and get dressedand would be looking in the
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mirror and another alter wouldsurface and not like it, take
all those clothes off, changeinto what she liked, and then
would look in the mirror andanother alter would surface and
don't care for that and take offthe clothes and put different
clothes on and this patternwould repeat.
And so then the host would comeback and the core person and
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see clothes all over the placeand what's going on?
Right, that's truedisassociation.
True disassociation is whereyou are.
You are completely cut off fromthe core personality.
You function as a separate,complete identity.
You have your own tastes, yourown food likes, you have your
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own clothing and so forth.
So it is possible for adisassociated part of a person,
if fully disassociated, toabsolutely have different likes,
dislikes and so forth withinthat person's psyche.
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So when you're mentioning aboutsomebody smoking, somebody
sleeping around, I deal withdisassociation again from an
exorcist perspective.
We're dealing with demonsinside of people and they are
actually integrated into thedisassociative identity.
So we work with theseidentities one on one or I
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should say I do and then have todeal with the demons that are
attached to those disassociativeidentities.
Now, how I know that this canhappen meaning maybe an altar
can smoke, maybe another altarthinks it's a guy.
I have seen where there arealtars inside of a person.
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The core person is wantingfreed from demons okay, but the
altars within are witches.
So you have somebody that iswanting freed.
They are a Christian and I'mworking with them, but there are
altars that have separated offthrough trauma, that are into
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witchcraft.
Those are diametrically opposedbelief systems, and so what's
my point?
It can happen, people candisassociate.
I spoke with men and women.
The whole disposition of thatfemale changes.
It literally is anotherpersonality that I'm speaking to
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, just like how you and I arespeaking.
If someone else came and satdown in your chair and they put
on your headset or whateveryou're wearing which, by the way
, I'm blind, I don't know if wementioned that, just to let
people know.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Oh yeah by the way, audience Justin is blind, but he
does a great job of beingonline.
He's actually way more techsavvy than me and I can see
fairly well.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yes, and so, anyhow, that's how it is, and so people
might be wondering how do I seethese personalities when they
surface?
How, as an exorcist, do I know?
When a demon is speakingthrough someone, the whole
disposition, tone of the voiceand mannerisms completely change
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within that person.
When a child alter, like wewere talking earlier, comes up
in an adult, male or female, itis literally talking to me like
a little child.
It sounds just like a childbecause that's when that split
happened.
If that split happened at sevenyears old, that identity is
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going to act as a child.
It is going to act just like aseven-year-old child, as
somebody that can't see.
It's not very difficult for meto know when I'm working with
somebody.
When an alter surfaced and isspeaking, I was working with a
young man a couple of weeks ago.
He's 35 years old and instantlyI knew through mannerism,
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through tone, through the use oflanguage, that a 35-year-old
person may not be saying what a14-year-old would say.
All of a sudden I'm talking toa 14-year-old teenager.
So I said to the client how oldare you?
How old do you feel right now?
14.
, okay, and so I began in Iraqwith this 14 year old who had
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suffered tremendous abuse at thehouse oh my God, just awful.
And then also the horrendousamounts of rejection through
high school.
So this 14 year old is verbatimrepeating back to me the things
that happened to this identitywithin this young man.
It's fascinating.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
But if everything that we develop is to help us
cope in some way, shield thetrauma or help us in other ways,
what would then be the role ofthe demons?
Actually, how do you define ademon?
Okay, good question.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
A demon is something you cannot see, it is
supernatural and it is somethingthat by nature is evil, and the
only thing that this entitywants to do is cause absolute
harm, emotional suffering anddeath within a person, so that
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death can be death ofrelationships, death of finances
.
The ultimate goal of mostdemons, these evil entities, is
to have a person kill themselves.
So that's pretty much how Iwould describe what a demon is.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Do you have any idea what's the reason behind that
motive of a demon?
Speaker 1 (20:13):
I have a Christian worldview perspective because I
am a Christian exorcist.
There are different types ofexorcists, but I'm a Christian
exorcist so by nature theyoppose God, who created all.
He kicks them out of heaven andtheir nature changed from being
angelic to evil because therewas a separation from God,
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because they were rebelliousagainst God.
Now this sounds like fairy taleand fictitious things, but I
can tell you when a demonmanifests inside of somebody
that I work with, their entirebody and disposition is taken
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over by this evil entity.
Their voice sounds very evil,it makes the hair stand up on
the back of your neck when theymanifest and they are
diametrically.
They are opposed to anythingholy.
So I don't know if that helpsanswer your question, but the
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reason is it's their nature.
They want to kill and they wantto destroy, period.
It's the way they are.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah, so then again, good luck finding a better
explanation than this, because Idon't see it.
Yeah, is there?
Ok?
So is every one of us accept issusceptible to these demons, or
only people who are, who havebeen traumatized, and it's, in a
way, an open wound.
It's a very good question.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Everybody is susceptible to them.
I myself had demons.
Now I'm a software engineer, acloud architect For those who
are in IT.
I'm very analytical.
I am not one to.
I'm a pessimist by nature, soI'm not one to jump into the
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belief that there's asupernatural realm.
Very quickly OK.
But I myself had demons and itwas a very severe case of demons
.
So I went for an exorcismmyself to get rid of these.
Now, the demons that I had atbirth, some of it was from my
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ancestors, the things that theydid, and some of them were in me
from the things that I did inlife.
So demons just can't attacksomebody and torture them for no
reason.
They have to have a legal right, a contract, just like if you
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and I sat down at the table andI pulled out a piece of paper
and put it down, I said we'regoing to have a legal contract
that if I'm on your podcast,you're going to pay me five
million dollars.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
No, that was an evil laugh.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
And so you signed a contract and I signed a contract
.
We have a legal agreement Inthe supernatural realm this
concept is how it really trulyoperates.
Demons, the ones who want totorment you, have to have a
legal agreement to come intoyour mind and begin to torment
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you.
And so what are those legalagreements?
There could be many of them.
For example, a lot of theclients that I work with they
take psychedelic drugs so theydrop acid, and when you do that,
you open your mind up to thesupernatural.
It's like a big open door thatis open.
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And of course, we know peoplewho have went on trips and have
seen very evil things.
They have seen demons.
They have seen very bad thingsI don't know about.
In America we call it a badtrip, and so that is an example
of creating a legal right.
So when somebody sitting acrossfrom me as a client and they I
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know that they have dropped acid, we need to work through that.
And when the demon it's calledmanifests, meaning takes over
their body, their eyes dilatecompletely black.
They have no white.
You're looking into the eyes ofevil.
No question asked.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
I myself have taken psychedelics before and I had a
bad trip and it was prettyterrible and I was alone and I
most of the times when there isa bad trip, the person is alone,
which is interesting, and itmakes sense with what you just
said.
Do you think and I personallybelieve, that is the biggest
risk of psychedelics the badtrip, because I've opened my
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mind to everything multipletimes I like taking psychedelics
, I'm just going to say it.
I don't take them a lot, butwhen I do take them it's always
the experience, right?
Do you have a multiplepersonality disorder?
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Myself personally.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
No, I do not.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
What is the difference between having a
multiple personality disorderand having demons in you that
take over every now and then?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Demons are designed to kill you.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Oh, I see.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Yeah, disassociate of identities are designed to help
you survive.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Okay, but in the dissociative identity disorder
there is also there can also bealtars who do try to harm you.
Are those?
What purpose do these altersserve?
Or are they tried to harm thehost or the other altar?
Speaker 1 (25:59):
They can.
It depends.
It's like this.
We all know people who cut forpain.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Right.
So people have pain and theycut to release that pain.
Okay, so the core personalityis not a cutter and the core
personality may handle paindifferently.
Okay, but an altar can be acutter, so they're cutting the
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core personality.
The core is not really aware ofit, so the altar feels the pain
of the trauma that it'sexperienced and it could be a
cutter, so it'll cut and thenthe core personality will come
back and see that there's cutmarks on their arms, their
forearms, and are quite confusedby it.
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So a lot of times that's whenthey'll go and start therapy.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah, are they.
Can they?
Can these people with thisdisorder control when an altar
comes out?
Let's say, if someone, if analtar wants to come out, can
they push them back down?
Or does it take too much energy, or is it just impossible to do
it?
Speaker 1 (27:12):
They just switch it's .
Yeah, they just switch likeboom.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
How often does that happen, like on average?
Speaker 1 (27:22):
I can't give statistics on that, but I know
of one woman that she and she ismarried.
So her husband and her daughtershe has a teenage daughter that
understands and are in therapyfor the disassociation that she
has.
But she'll switch 15, 20 timesa day.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
How does someone like that live?
Because I assume these peoplewant to have jobs, they want to
drive, they want to do thingsthat other people do.
How is that possible?
How do they cope?
It's very strenuous on andactually I have one question If
let's say they are in, let's sayit's a host and they're on a
road, is it possible that thechild altar comes out, or will?
Speaker 1 (28:13):
it automatically really.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Will it automatically be changed or switched to the
other altar that is an adult, inorder to protect themselves?
Speaker 1 (28:23):
No, I understand what you're saying.
I've never experienced that.
That's a phenomenal question.
I don't have an answer for thatone, okay.
So if a child altar comes outwhile she's driving, do they
just wreck into a tree and dieRight, or does a protective
mechanism come up where anotheraltar comes out and drives?
Speaker 2 (28:46):
And also does that protective altar comes out quick
enough.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
The switches are almost instant, as quick as you
can blink your eyes.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
how quick a person can switch, yeah.
Okay, so it's very quick andit's always cause it would be
inconvenient, to say the least,absolutely.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
But I know that there are people that have
disassociative identity disorder.
They work, they drive, andsometimes there is a personality
within them that will do thework, and sometimes it is the
core person that does the work.
Just cause someone'sdisassociative doesn't mean that
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they can't work or have anormal job.
They can't.
That core person can work.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Sure, and so can the altars.
And the altars, that's right.
They're more capable than thehost.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yes, so one that I knew in her mid forties she
would switch.
This is amazing.
She switched into a 21 year oldaltar.
Now she's 40.
So this 21 year old altardressed her makeup and
everything she looked literally.
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She was 21 years old and shewent to work.
The altar, the 21 year old,went to work and they didn't
know who it was.
Wow, the change was thatdrastic that they did not know
who it was.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Wow, mm.
Hmm.
What was the highest number ofaltar you came across in your
work?
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Mm, hmm, a thousand A little more than a thousand.
Yeah, wow.
And so these need mapped out,they need networked and to
understand the relationshipbetween them, all the traumas.
It's a very involved process.
Now, again, I'm not a therapist, but I have to be trained on
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this as an exorcist so that Ican know what is a demon, what
is a disassociative identity andwhat is the core of a person.
So you begin to map these outand the identities will help you
as well.
You have to be, you have to go.
Yeah, I was going to say youhave to earn the trust.
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Someone could have, as anexample, 25 altars and for them
to come out, you have to buildtrust with them and so that that
happens over time and there'salways a protector altar, always
a protector.
They're the ones that are toprotect that core person, no
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matter what.
They're very tough, they'rebrutal, they doesn't matter if
it's male or female.
That altar is tough and it'sthe protector.
You're not going to harm thisperson.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
It's a very common pattern to have one who is a
protective and then one altarwho is child, because that's
usually that's when the abusehappened.
Yes, but as now, not to giveanyone any ideas, but isn't it
easier for someone who isdealing with a person who has
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the multiple personalitydisorder or their friend or an
associate to and has an amnesiaafter a certain altar came out,
wouldn't it be easier to, eithersexually or otherwise, abuse
that person and the only onealter and the only one who would
remember it would be the altar?
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Yes, that's correct, and sometimes altars want that
abuse because it's like thephenomena of falling in love
with your abuser.
I don't know if you've heard ofthat.
The.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Stockholm syndrome.
Yes, hmm, yes, wow, wow, yeah,because I'm getting a lot to
think about.
As a therapist.
I would imagine if I had evilintentions, if I had a predatory
personality, which I do.
But let's say I was a therapistand I had someone who has
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multiple personality disorders.
I would be like if I wassomeone, I would be motivated.
It would be a good opportunityto abuse a person and they don't
remember it.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Yes, and that's very sad.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
And that is sad.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
That happens with people and therapy.
I can't say often, but it doeshappen, and not even sometimes
in the context of disassociation.
Sometimes it's just people areso hurting that a predator
therapist can take advantage ofthat, and it's evil, it's just
awful.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yeah, especially if it's a child alter, although
they are already adapted enoughthat I assume, if you started to
abuse the child alter, theprotective would come out right.
Yes, okay, so altars come outconveniently.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
And sometimes randomly.
That's what makes it so trickyis when you're in a dangerous
situation or perceived danger.
Then, yes, that protector alteris going to come out.
You know what I mean.
Sometimes it's just a switchback to the woman I was talking
to that the altars kept tryingon different clothes.
It, just as quick as you canblink your eye is as quick as
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someone can switch.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Wow, yeah, how do you treat these people?
Where do you even start?
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Definitely therapy.
You have to find a therapistthat specializes in
Disassociative Identity Disorderso that they can begin to
really heal.
And essentially what happens isthose altars basically get
integrated back into the corepersonality and that core
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personality then has to feel thepain, remember the trauma, and
then that core personality hasto process through that in
therapy.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
So if the personality disorder isn't an aesthetic, in
a way, you're essentiallytaking the numbing away and now
they have to feel the real pain.
That was there all along, butthey were just shielding it with
personalities.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Right, and with age that shield starts to fragment,
starts to fall apart and thememories start coming into the
core person, because as you age,you just can't keep it all
separate anymore.
It's too difficult, and sothat's when people start, you
know, going into therapy as anexorcist.
I work with therapists.
I don't try to, I'm not atherapist.
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I'm going to get rid of thedemons attached to those
multiple personalities, to theidentities, and then therapists
will work with integrating themback into the core.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
So in that way it's really rare to have someone with
sociable personality disorderwho's, let's say, 80, right.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yes, yeah, very much so.
Now I did hear a therapist tellme one time and this was
interesting, he didn't have anylike factual proof it was his
theory Not everybody candisassociate under trauma.
This was his theory and I canagree with that.
I don't think everybody hasthat gift, the ability, the
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intellect to do that.
Yeah, we don't know.
So his theory was that whenpeople cannot disassociate under
trauma it's like they're tryingto but they can't.
That turns into borderlinepersonality disorder, which is
another mental, totally makessense.
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Yeah, another mental diagnosis.
If you know anybody who hasborderline personality disorder
and you keep that in the back ofyour mind when you meet with
them, it makes sense Again.
This is in factual.
This was his theory that theywere trying to disassociate.
They could not, and so thenthey developed borderline
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personality disorder.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
If they were more successful, they would then have
a narcissistic personalitydisorder, isn't it?
It's almost as if the personwith the borderline personality
disorder is a failed narcissistand there is this association
with all these disorders, boththe borderline and narcissism.
It can be, yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Wow, yeah that is complex.
It's complex enough withoutbringing in demons and exorcism,
because that's its own level ofcomplexity as well.
So, because I'm a softwareengineer, because I went through
my own exorcism I'm notdisassociative, but I did have
demons I have the analysis towork with people.
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So it's awesome to be able tocompassionately work with people
and let them know you're notcrazy, I get you.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
How does it feel when you are possessed by a demon?
I know that's a weird question,but is there any way to explain
it?
How do we explain it?
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Absolutely, there's different degrees.
Just like anything in life,there's different degrees.
Sometimes it is panic attacksOK.
Sometimes it is depression,Sometimes key words, Sometimes
it's suicidal thoughts.
These are being induced, put inthe minds of people from demons
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, not all the time, butsometimes, for example, a client
might be in therapy.
I'm working with a guy now.
He's been in therapy for overtwo years.
He's medicated but nothing'sgoing away.
He still has the suicidalthoughts he still has.
So he contacted me and he saidI think I may have demons.
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And he did and the demons wereremoved and he no longer has
suicidal thoughts.
Now I'm not saying every singleperson that has suicidal
thoughts has demons.
I'm just saying or depressionor anxiety or panic attacks.
I'm not saying every personthat has demons, absolutely not.
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Those could be authentic, truepsychological issues.
But that you asked what's oneway of knowing.
That's one way that people cantell they've tried all the
medicine, they've tried all thecounseling.
Nothing gets better.
So that could be one way.
And let me give you another onereal quick is people experience
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supernatural, paranormalphenomena in their life and, for
example, they have a being,which I will say a demon, appear
at the end of their bed andthey're paralyzed, they can't
move.
This is very common.
Or they have something touchthem sexually in the middle of
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the night.
They're in the bed bythemselves and they know it was
something that wasn't really ahuman, but they've been touched
sexually.
I've had clients tell me thatthey have been raped by demons,
and so that's the extreme cases.
A client would wake up,levitated to the ceiling.
They got demons, and so that'san extreme case of how you would
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know that you have voices inyour mind.
For example, a young woman Iwas working with recently.
She would stand in front of themirror and she would have her
clothes off and she would hearyour fat, your ugly, no one will
(40:42):
ever love you.
You're worthless, kill yourself.
Somebody's telling her thatSpeaking to her, it's not her
own thoughts, it's somethingsaying this to her.
And so she had demons, doesthat?
Speaker 2 (41:02):
help.
That does help and it explainsa lot.
And back to I was about to asksomething but I totally forgot
because I was so into what youwere saying.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Yeah, but that those are some examples.
Uncontrollable compulsions,love.
One of their maincharacteristics is compulsion
and instabilities.
Yes, this can be caused fromtrauma, absolutely.
But demons enter through traumaand they magnify it a hundred
times.
So someone might go through,say, a molestation, and so they
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escape through smoking marijuanaright, but a demon will enter
through that trauma and, insteadof just smoking marijuana, now
they're shooting up heroin.
Now they're sleeping aroundwith two, three hundred
different people.
A reckless life.
And what's causing that?
Yes, there is somepsychological aspects causing
that, but the death component,the recklessness, the trying to
(42:01):
kill themselves through heroin,the recklessness of sleeping
around with two, three hundredpeople, not even caring if they
get sexual diseases, this sortof that is where you need to
pause and say is this a demon?
Yeah, many times it is.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Going past the anesthesia for the trauma and
just going all the way In a waywhen it comes to I'm going to
give an example of addictionagain, or, yeah, let's say an
addiction.
Sure, if I, if I'm also almostjealous of what these people are
experiencing in their high, soto speak, because when you smoke
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weed or you drink, you're inthat high where everything is so
unimportant and you feel great.
Or, for example, when you'reshooting up heroin and you have
your high.
Those are the highs that I, asa sober person, will never
experience.
I'm jealous of someone beingable to push their problems, to
wait for half an hour or threehours.
I'm really jealous of that.
Now, I'm not jealous of theirlife as a whole Sure, after that
(43:04):
, but that is something that issuper, it's a superpower for
that period of time and it'ssomething that is something to
be jealous of.
Basically, I actually I haveparalysis and to me it really
helped when the first time itwas terrifying.
The second time also, the thirdtime, I was thinking to myself
(43:26):
gosh, not again.
And I was bored in a way.
It's really hard to explain,but I was bored with what was
happening and I had somehallucinations and to myself, I
started laughing really again.
That's what you're going to doagain.
This is so boring, and that'show it stopped.
The thing is it stopped Sure.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Now is it gone, though Stopping and being gone
are two different things.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Yeah, I haven't had it since.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Yeah, but the thing that you were explaining was
that you knew this was somethingdoing this to you and you were
along the persona person.
Your thought process was isthis all you have?
Yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah.
So this is what I'm saying.
People experience these sortsof paranormal phenomena in their
lives and they either tolerateit or reach out for help.
(44:20):
So I would just say, for anyonelistening, if you are
experiencing things like thisand you've tried everything, you
can try to shift whatever it isin your life that's going on
that's causing this type oftorment, emotional difficulty in
your life, contact me.
We can see if this is demoninduced.
(44:45):
By the way, just to mention realquick, I have an.
I have a podcast you guys canlisten to called the blind
exorcist, and you can listen tothat on Apple podcast, spotify,
whatever your favorite podcastapp is where I actually
interview people who have beenthrough an exorcism and it's raw
(45:06):
and it's real, it's extremelyinformative.
Hollywood makes exorcism out tobe this absolutely terrifying,
horrifying, supernatural thingthat don't touch it, but it's
really not, and so it's aninjustice.
The way I understand whyHollywood does that to make
money, to sell tickets, becausehorror films sell, right, I get
(45:29):
that, but it puts a fear inpeople of working with an
exorcist, but it's actually avery gentle process.
So I would encourage you guysto listen to the blind exorcist
podcast and listen to thesepeople's stories and I do talk
with some of the people onassociation on there as well.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
And you probably get people who look you up as their
last resort because of all theskepticism and almost not
believing that this is actuallyhappening to them.
I think they would rather seeeveryone before you, and you are
right.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Yeah, you're the one the bottom of the pot.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
You are the bottom of the pot and people are like,
okay, I tried everything.
What the hell I'm going to goto this guy?
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Yeah yeah, yeah, pretty much.
Yeah, yeah, I would say that'sa lot of the people, yeah, but
not all.
Some just flat out know I havedemons, they know it.
They just know I have demons, Igot to get rid of them and so
they'll contact me.
Absolutely yeah, there's a lotof clients that I work with
because I do intake questions oneach client.
I use analysis to evaluateentry points of demons in
(46:38):
people's lives, and so a lot ofthe clients and their intake
questions and responses andstuff that's flat out tell me I
know I have demons, you knowthey harass me, they torment me,
they choke me in the middle ofthe night, they touch me
sexually, they tell me to killmyself.
They know this legitimately, isreal.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
How many of these people are actually dangerous to
other people around them?
The?
Speaker 1 (47:02):
people that I work with.
None they have.
None of them that I have workedwith have been dangerous.
There was one guy that I workedwith that I had him not stay
home with his wife and childrenbecause I knew the types of
demons that he had could beviolent.
So I had him go somewhere byhimself where I could work with
(47:24):
him.
Okay, so it does happen.
Demons are very violent.
They can be.
You know, I've seen wherethere's a five foot tall woman,
which what would that be?
I'm not good at converting, butanyways, to centimeters.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
I can imagine.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
Not a very tall woman .
Let's put it yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah.
Very short woman, very superthin and five men like
bodybuilder men could barelyrestrain her.
Okay, so they can be veryviolent, it just depends on the
(48:04):
type of demon that is in theperson.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
And it's amazing, the body-mind connection.
There was a case of a motherwhose child was under the car.
She lifted the whole car up.
So yeah, people, our minds arecapable and the way they
influence our bodies is it'samazing.
I even wouldn't be surprised ifsomebody had an altar who had
diabetes and they actually gotdiabetes.
(48:28):
Like I wouldn't be surprised, Ireally wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Right, and that's a good point.
I could foresee that happeningAbsolutely.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
Yeah, absolutely.
Do you think an altar canactually be someone who's blind
as well?
I'm not saying that becauseyou're blind, but I just got to
be.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
No, yeah, Absolutely, really, absolutely.
Yeah, my mentor who trained me,the exorcist that trained me.
His name is Dr Bob Larson.
He has performed over 50,000exorcisms worldwide in over 100
countries.
People fly to this man inScottsdale, arizona, from around
(49:03):
the world, so he has all thesepeople from around the world to
fly in.
He works with DissociativeIdentity all the time and he has
witnessed an altar who wasblind.
Now here's one that'll blow yourmind.
I had a demon.
When I say manifest, whatmanifest means is?
(49:27):
It takes over the person's body.
It takes over your voice, youreyes, your face will contort
into its disposition, and sothat's what's meant by manifest.
This thing comes inside of theperson and is fully present.
Ok, and this is.
(49:48):
You can hear the story in mypodcast.
My episode is called Overcomingthe Darkness.
It's all about my demonpossession.
It's about my exorcism, how Itrained to become a certified
exorcist, all that kind of stuff.
But two times in my life, onetime I had a friend over that
(50:10):
was trying to help me get rid ofa demon and it manifested and
it looked at my friend throughmy eyes and said to my friend
what a pretty pink shirt.
Well, my friend had a pinkshirt on.
(50:31):
I had no clue what he waswearing.
I'm blind.
He just came over, came in.
We were in my basement.
I was young this is when I wasprobably 22.
And I knew I had demons, but Icouldn't find anyone to help me
back then.
And so my friend said I'll tryto help you.
I just came back from Hong Kongand I seen a bunch of people
(50:55):
that had demons.
Get rid of them.
This guy was helping him.
I'll try to help you.
I said OK, he was trying tolead me through certain prayers
and this demon manifested,became fully present.
I was unconscious, I did notknow.
This happened Almost if analtar would switch.
I had no clue and it looked athim and could see crystal clear
(51:19):
out my eyes Nice pink shirt,nice pretty pink shirt.
And my friend said the hairstood up on the back of his neck
.
He was terrified.
Ok, that was one scenario.
A second scenario was theexorcist who mentored me, dr Bob
Larson.
He was holding this up across,across and I'm blind and there
(51:46):
was a demon that he was workingwith in me to get rid of it.
And when he held that cross up,the demon inside could see
through my eyes and said getthat out of my face now.
Get it out of my face, removethat from me.
Fascinating.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
It's fascinating that there is a huge component of
religion there Christianity inyour case, that is.
That's very fascinating.
So when you're doing your jobof trying to remove these demons
, you basically use prayer likethat's the fundamental treatment
of yours?
Speaker 1 (52:24):
Yes, essentially it is prayers.
Yes, yeah, and so my possessionwas very severe.
I did not find Dr Larson untilI was 40.
I'm 51.
And so I suffered for years andI finally found somebody that
(52:46):
could help me, and it took 14months of working with him
because my possession was sosevere.
You can listen to my interviewwith Dr Bob Larson.
I'm on YouTube.
You can search for the blindexorcist.
It's just the audio podcast Iput up for people because a lot
of people are like I just wantto listen to it on YouTube.
(53:06):
Put it up.
So I do, but on there's anactual video interview of me and
Dr Larson, and you can hear hesaid I was in his top five to
10% of worst demon possessioncases that he's worked with.
Well done, I did want to be onthe top, though.
Speaker 2 (53:30):
Also in psychedelic trips there seems to be a
component of religion.
A lot of people who areatheists before all of a sudden
become religion after it,religious after they have a
psychedelic trip.
So I assume you wouldn'tnecessarily recommend people
with multiple personalitydisorder to take psychedelics at
all.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
No, I would recommend nobody to take them just
because it opens you up to thepotential of demons.
Because when you relinquishcontrol of your mind, you're
giving that control to somebody.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
So when you relinquish the control of your
mind, you're giving that controlup to somebody, and oftentimes
demons enter a people throughthat.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
Yeah, it can be heaven or hell.
You are opening the door.
You don't know what's behind it.
It can be your healing.
It can be something worse thanit was before.
I've heard of people kickingtheir addictions after a few
psychedelic trips, but then Ialso know someone who saw
himself die during a psychedelictrip and he's been more
(54:38):
depressed ever since.
So it's a really interestingphenomena.
I do take them quite a lot.
I have rooms Actually I haverooms right here.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (54:50):
I'm just saying if you ever need an extra system,
you know who to find.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
Well, see, see, I have connections, I'm connected,
I can take you Come demonsanyway.
Besides your, besides yourYouTube and your podcast, where
can people find you?
Speaker 1 (55:07):
My website.
It's simple.
It's Justin D Dot com, w W WDot, justin D Dot com and you
can pull that up and read.
You can listen to the podcaston the website too, but most
people grab it on their phones,listen when they're working out,
jogging, going to work, thattype of stuff.
Speaker 2 (55:28):
Yeah, and it's really interesting.
Yeah, there's always skeptics,so you're going to get a part of
those Absolutely.
Look people, there's people outthere who don't believe
holocaust happened.
We have a lot of skeptics outthere.
Actually, I know someone whobelieved me anyway, so thank you
so much for coming on.
Yeah, have a nice afternoon,thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (55:49):
It's been a pleasure speaking with you.
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