March 17, 2025 • 56 mins
Is Exorcism Enough for True Freedom?
Many people experience temporary relief from demonic oppression—only to find themselves back in the same battles. Why? Because they’ve never dealt with the root: unhealed trauma.
In this episode of The Blind Exorcist, I sit down with Christian inner healing coach Leah Szemborski, whose background in mental health counseling and deliverance ministry gives her powerful insight into true spiritual freedom. Together, we explore why casting out demons is only the first step—and how inner healing closes the doors trauma leaves open.
📌 What you’ll learn in this episode:
✅ Why exorcism alone may not bring lasting deliverance
✅ How trauma creates spiritual doorways that demons exploit
✅ The “soul house” concept and how it aids inner healing
✅ How Internal Family Systems (IFS) helps restore identity
✅ Why inner healing can be faster and simpler than expected
This episode will challenge your thinking and equip you to go deeper into your healing journey. If you’ve felt stuck, spiritually oppressed, or weighed down by emotional wounds, it’s time to experience total freedom in Christ.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey everyone, justin D here and welcome back to the
Blind Exorcist.
This is episode 29, and yeah,it's been a while.
I caught COVID and it took mesome time to fully bounce back,
but now I'm ready to go.
I've got an incredible lineupof guests coming your way this
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year, and today's episode is oneyou don't want to miss.
I'm sitting down with LeahSemborski, a Christian inner
healing coach who's helpingpeople around the world break
free from emotional wounds thatkeep them stuck.
She's been a mental healthpractitioner for years, but now
she's fully focused on innerhealing coaching, reaching
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people beyond the limits oftraditional therapy.
But what exactly is innerhealing and why does it work so
powerfully alongside exorcism?
If you've ever wondered whysome struggles just won't go
away, why past wounds still holdyou back, or why someone can
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experience deliverance but stillfeel emotionally broken, then
this episode is going to connectthe dots for you.
Leah and I are breaking it alldown in a way that's practical,
easy to understand and somethingyou can actually apply to your
life.
By the end of this conversation, you won't just know what inner
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healing is.
You'll see how it works and howit can help you move forward.
Before we jump in, I want toinvite you to partner with me to
help support this show.
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It's about bringing freedom tothose who need it most.
Every episode helps someonebreak free, find healing and
step into the life God has forthem.
Thank you for being part ofthis mission.
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If this episode resonates withyou, share it with someone who
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Episodes and clicking on Episode29.
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All right, with all of that outof the way, let's get into it.
Leah, welcome to the BlindExorcist.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Thank you so much for having me, Justin.
I am very excited to be here.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I really appreciate you coming on to the show.
I know you're busy.
I'm excited to have you join usand for the audience, this is
going to be great.
Leah is an inner healing coach.
She also, as I've mentioned inthe introduction, is a mental
health practitioner for manyyears and she's doing this
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outside of her mental healthpractice so that she could help
as many people as possible,because I've mentioned this
since the first episode when itcomes to becoming emotionally
well, emotionally healed, ittakes both exorcism and inner
healing.
What do we mean by innerhealing?
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You guys have heard me talkabout that for quite a while on
the show, and so I'm so excitedthat Leah's with us so she could
help us dissect this.
But, in short, inner healing isa Christian term.
That means being emotionallyhealed by the power of the Holy
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Spirit.
That's it.
So traumas that you go throughthe rapes, the incests, the
molestations, the financialabandonment, family members who
have betrayed you, who haverejected you, abandoned you on
and on the trauma goes.
When people come to me for anexorcism, the majority of them
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have not dealt with the traumaand demons enter through trauma,
and so it's essential that Ayou go through an exorcism to
get rid of your demons and thenB get inner healing done.
And inner healing is a practice.
It's not therapists can't helpwith inner healing.
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There's trauma.
Therapists highly recommendthem, but Leah specializes in
Christian inner healing, whichis phenomenal, okay.
So I just wanted to share alittle bit about what is this
inner healing concept?
Again, people come for exorcism, have not been through therapy,
have not had inner healing, sothey still have gaping holes of
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trauma and that's where demonsenter.
So we can get rid of the demons.
But if they've not had thetrauma healed, sometimes demons
can re-enter because theyhaven't had the trauma healed
and dealt with.
So Leah is going to come onhere today.
She has an exact approach toinner healing.
There's different approachesout there that Christians use.
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I really like Leah's approach.
She came recently to speak to agroup of us exorcists and it
was so awesome.
The more she talked I was likeI have got to have her come on
to the podcast.
This is going to give the nutsand bolts of how this actually
unfolds if you would opt tochoose to work with Leah or
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somebody else that might beinvolved in inner healing, but
it is essential.
Okay, with all of that said,I'm going to come to you, leah,
and the first question I'd liketo ask you.
I've done my job of stumblingthrough inner healing, but can
you explain to the audience inyour professional opinion, what
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does inner healing mean in asimplistic way that people can
understand?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yes, that's a great question.
So I guess I would start out bytalking about the difference
between body, soul and spirit.
Our body is our earthly vehiclethat gets us through this world
.
We have perception, we go tosleep at night, we eat food
right, it's our earthly vehicle,and the Bible sometimes talks
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about our fleshly nature.
Right, our body is selfish andpleasure-seeking.
So I don't know, probably mostof your viewers have had the
experience of battling with theflesh.
Right, your will says I want toeat healthy and exercise, but
the flesh says eat the chocolatecake.
So, even though we battle withour flesh, our human body is an
amazing and wonderful machine,and so I encourage all of my
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clients to appreciate and havegratitude for their body.
The next level is the soul,which is the intuition, the will
and the emotions of the person.
It is the you that you reallyare, at your essence, and it's
completely invisible.
We can't see the soul, but itis very real, and that's mostly
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where we do inner healing.
Work is on the soul level.
But then we also have thespirit, which is the spark of
life that is given to us by God,and when a person can tap into
that spirit and invite it toindwell the soul, right.
The spirit is life, it is light, it propels you, it heals you.
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It's everything that you need,right, it's in the spirit.
And so in inner healing, like Isaid, mostly we focus on the
soul level.
We want to heal the soul, wewant to repair wounds, we want
to transform pain into strength,purpose and passion.
But sometimes we have to dothat by paying attention to the
body and what our body is tryingto tell us about our safety or
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our needs or our emotions.
And also, of course, we want totap into the spirit, so that
the spirit, holy Spirit.
Of course we want to tap intothe Spirit so that the Spirit,
holy Spirit, is what's behindthe healing work on the soul
level.
Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yes, it makes perfect sense and that's what's
wonderful about the Holy Spiritis that, as a Christian, that's
a massive benefit that the HolySpirit can actually bring
emotional healing.
Benefit that the Holy Spiritcan actually bring emotional
healing Because a lot of peoplein life they just learn how to
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cope and tolerate their pain,tolerate their trauma and just
trudge through life under thiskind of dark, heavy cloud and
they just learn to survive.
So a lot of people are just insurvival mode, even as
Christians.
They go to church depressed butthey act happy and then they
leave depressed because thetraumas have never been healed
and, in addition to that,they've never been through
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exorcism or deliverance ministry.
They've never gotten demons outthat have entered through the
trauma.
So it makes perfect sense andagain, to everyone listening, it
takes both and honestly, in mypractice I have found it doesn't
matter and Leah, I'll come toyou in a minute about this but
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it really doesn't matter whichyou start first.
If you start exorcism, I'mgoing to tell you you need inner
healing, and if you start innerhealing, leah's going to see
demons come up occasionally andsay you need an exorcism.
So whether you start with innerhealing, whether you start with
exorcism, it doesn't matter.
Currently I am working with aclient who has dissociative
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identity disorder.
We've talked a lot about thisand I know Leah works with this
as well.
But it's basically you're goingthrough a trauma and your mind
separates because it's too muchfor the core person to handle.
When someone's going through atrauma, for example like sexual
abuse by a father, the childwill separate and if it's, for
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example, a boy, he'll say thisis happening to Frank, it's not
happening to me, anddisassociation happens.
So Frank stays with, in thisexample, say, mike for his whole
life.
Frank just doesn't go away.
And if it's happening to a girlsome sort of trauma, it doesn't
have to be sexual violation.
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That's just the most commonones.
It could be anything that hascaused trauma.
For example, maybe a child, alittle girl, eight years old,
finds her father dead in a chairby committing suicide and
disassociates from that.
It's too much for her littlepsyche to handle.
Maybe her name's Jennifer andshe says this is happening to
Sally, not me.
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And so Sally takes the pain,sally takes the trauma of the
lost father.
So Jennifer grows up to be anadult and little Sally's in
there at eight years old thewhole time, holding that pain,
holding that trauma.
Jennifer's been throughcounseling her whole life, never
feels better.
She's never been through anexorcism.
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So Jennifer's never beenthrough an exorcism, she's never
been through inner healing.
She's been through therapy,which is essential.
I'm huge on therapy, I love it,but when you're a Christian,
you've got to come into thespiritual, into this inner
healing realm.
So, leah, sorry for going onabout that, but I think that's
important for people tounderstand that when traumas
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happen in life, they can tuckthat away, and I think you use a
model as you work with clientsthat helps them to explore the
trauma and to begin to work onthat trauma to bring in inner
healing.
Tell us a little bit about that.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah.
So one of the strategies that Ilike to use with clients is
this idea of the soul house, andthis is biblical.
It comes from Matthew 12,starting at verse 43.
When an impure spirit comes outof a person, it goes through
arid places seeking rest anddoes not find it.
Then it says I will return tothe house I left.
When it arrives, it finds thehouse unoccupied, swept clean
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and put in order.
Then it goes and takes with itseven other spirits more wicked
than itself, and they go in andlive there, and the final
condition of that person isworse than the first.
And so that idea that our soulis actually a house and in that
passage it says that the housewas swept clean, which we can
take to mean a couple differentthings, right, maybe the person
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cleaned up their life andthey're living more righteously.
Maybe the person has beenwashed by the blood of Jesus
probably both of those things.
So the house was clean, but itwas also unoccupied, and so the
Holy Spirit had not yet taken upresidence.
And so the strategy that I usewith clients is to help them
understand their soul that way.
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If your soul was a house withmany rooms, what would it look
like and one of our firstactivities is to maybe draw it
on paper, paint it, sketch it.
I actually made a house out ofwood.
Multimodal processing is animportant part of inner healing.
But they really think aboutwhat does their house look like?
And for some clients we'restarting from a place where that
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house is basically condemned,it's haunted, there are demons
living in it, it's dark, it'sscary.
And then, through the course ofinner healing, in our
imagination, this all happens inour imagination, but it is a
way to access the spirit realm.
We do guided imagery, where Iask the person to maybe find a
specific room in their house.
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Maybe it's the room that theylocked up all their memories and
feelings about their abusivedad.
And so today we're going to golook in that room and we do it
in a graduated way, because Inever want people to just run
helter skelter into a traumaticmemory without some caution and
guardrails up.
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Maybe at first we just stand atthe doorway and think about
going into the room and then wecheck in with our body.
How does that feel?
Is it okay to take the nextstep?
Then maybe we open the door andjust notice what we see in
there and then over time, asthey get more comfortable, they
might walk into the room andthen again, through guided
imagery and different narrativetherapy practices and things,
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they begin to renovate the room.
They process memories that theyfind in there and they decide,
oh, I don't want to hang on tothat anymore, I'm going to let
that go.
And a really important part ofthis work is, of course, to
invite Holy Spirit to come intothose rooms and ask Him to
renovate, remodel or remake thatroom in whatever way he wants
to.
And sometimes, when the clientjust sits back and lets God do
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what God does, they're shocked,they're amazed and they're
surprised by the things that hedoes.
And, like I said, that's justone strategy of inner healing,
but it's very powerful and verytransformative.
And as their house changes andwe do different drawings of it,
you can see how the healing isunfolding over time.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Thank you for that, leah.
That's amazing.
I just want to say for thoselistening that this is not a new
age practice.
This isn't anything new, ageyand all of that.
This is simple visualization.
It's a visualization exerciseto help people begin to process
trauma at a pace that they'reable to process it at.
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And, as a trained exorcist, weare trained in inner healing and
when we work with clients, wealso use a lot of visualization.
So we'll have them see Jesuscoming into a room or Jesus
taking their hand and takingthem out of a room, or things
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like this.
Now we do not use, you know,the model that Lee is using, but
my point isn't the models.
My point is visualization is areally good way of processing
trauma.
Memory processing is veryimportant to get past trauma
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that you've experienced.
So again, those of youlistening right now you're like,
oh, I don't need this.
But keep in mind who's to sayyou don't?
Most people who feel that theydon't need things like this.
They are in survivor mode, sothey're numb, they're
disconnected and they justfunction in life like a robot.
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They get up, they drink theircup of coffee, they mope to the
car and collapse in it.
With a coffee, they drive tothe office gloom and doom all
over them, just trudging through, surviving.
Then they work all day and theycome home and they're half
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depressed and their life isunfulfilled.
Now, these are Christians, bythe way.
These are Christians, by theway.
I work with them a lot likethis, people who are just
unfulfilled, unhappy, stuck inlife.
But here's the kicker unwillingto change.
That's what's surprising to me,and I don't say that in
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judgment, I say that because itsaddens me.
There's so many people in lifethat are stuck and unwilling to
change because they're afraid ofchange.
They're afraid of going intothose rooms, like Leah's talking
about and facing the trauma anddealing with the baggage and
the trauma that's keeping themstuck in life.
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And a lot of people are stuckin life in many ways Isolation,
unresolved trauma.
They've not went into thoserooms, okay, addictions of all
kinds, it doesn't matter whatthe addiction is.
They're running from theunresolved trauma, the pain
inside of those rooms.
My encouragement to youlistening, are you numb, okay?
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Are you feeling stuck in life?
Are you simply in a survivalmode?
Day by day, life feels mildlymeaningless to you, but yet as a
Christian or even not as aChristian you just trudge
through because you don't wantto die, you want to live, but
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you're just living in a stuckexistence.
So my encouragement to you andyou've probably been listening
to the podcast for a while isget unstuck, my friend, deal
with the baggage.
It always blesses me whensomeone comes to see me and they
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are determined to change, nomatter the cost.
They're sick of feeling stuck,they're sick of being miserable
and just existing.
They're not living.
There's a difference betweenexisting and living.
So clients that come to me andsit across from me and say I
don't just want to exist anymore, I don't want to just survive.
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I'm ready to deal with mybaggage and I'm ready to get
freed from my demons and gethealed in my emotions so I can
live life, Hallelujah.
That's what all of us want todo.
We want to live life and,honestly, you've heard my story
in episode one overcoming thedarkness.
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That's my story.
This was where I was full ofdemons, needing inner healing.
I went through all that and Ichanged.
I encourage you today be opento change.
You don't have to live the wayyou're living, surviving and
just existing.
You can actually have life andenjoy life.
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So, leah, let me come back toyou, so you're working with your
clients and you're helping themgo through the rooms.
What has your experience beenwith the clients when it comes
to just existing in lifesurviving and the clients who
really want change?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
That's a huge difference.
People who sometimes peoplecome to counseling for a reason.
Maybe they're getting pressurefrom a spouse.
The spouse is saying you needcounseling, it's affecting our
relationship.
Maybe they feel like it's justsomething they should do, even
though they're not reallyinvested in the process, and it
just feels like a waste of mytime.
There are a lot of people outthere who want help and if you
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really don't want help, that'sokay.
There's no judgment.
Maybe you have stuff going onin your life that needs your
attention as a higher prioritythan inner healing right now.
I get it, whatever the reasonis.
But for people who join up withme and they're excited about
inner healing, they are sick andtired of being sick and tired.
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The work is very quick andthat's sometimes one of the
reasons why people don't want toget help for trauma is they
think this is too big.
No person can help me resolvethis and it's going to take
forever.
Even if it does work.
I'm going to be in therapy foryears.
That's not true.
Trauma work if you really havea practitioner who knows what
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they're doing.
It goes fast, to be honest,especially for those people who
want to do the work and they'reputting in the effort and a lot
of times I hear this from somany clients they tell me that
was easier than I thought it wasgoing to be and it went faster
than I thought it was going tobe.
And, yes, I wish everybodycould hear that message.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yes, I hear that too.
Like this was much more withexorcism.
Like this was much morecomfortable, it wasn't scary, it
wasn't anything like I had inmind.
So I think that's a good callout, leah, that a lot of people
have things built up in theirmind that just aren't based on
fact because they've not yetexperienced.
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So for those of you listening,listen, friend, now you have
fact here.
You've heard right.
Inner healing does not have tobe a long, drawn-out process for
somebody who knows what they'redoing.
If the inner healing personlike Leah understands how to do
this because she's had training,real good training,
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specifically in this area ofinner healing, or exorcism or
deliverance ministry, it doesn'tmatter.
You can go to a milliondeliverance ministers online.
Just go Google, go on YouTube.
You'll find hundreds of them.
But have they been trained?
The majority have not.
So I've always cautioned peoplebe careful.
Stick with people who havecredibility, stick with people
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who have certification, stickwith people who are under a
ministry and not out on theirown.
So it's just important to keepin mind.
So there is hope here.
This is wonderful.
How exciting, like I wish.
When I went through the traumasin my life, say in my mid-20s,
by the time I was in my mid-20s.
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If I would have known this inmy mid-20s by the time I was in
my mid-20s, if I would haveknown this like I could have an
inner healing coach or anexorcist to help me.
Oh my gosh, if I would havedone that, say, at 25 years old,
because my first exorcismsession I was 48.
So I went through life as asurvivor.
I was not living, I wasexisting, and now I'm living.
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I'm telling you, man, thisstuff works.
If you want to work it, it'llwork.
Leah, when you're working withclients and they're going into
these rooms, have you ever seendemons manifest in a client?
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Yes, I have.
It doesn't happen very often,and because I'm focused more on
inner healing, I'm notnecessarily advertising that I
do deliverance or exorcism, andso people aren't really coming
to work with me with thatexpectation.
So it doesn't happen a real lot, but it does happen.
And then we have theconversation.
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I'll ask them I noticedsomething unusual about what
just happened.
Did you notice that too?
And sometimes the client iswell aware that the demon is
there and they'll give me moreinformation about it.
Or at other times the client isI don't know what you mean.
And it's difficult sometimes inbeing an inner healing coach
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that works with a broad spectrumof religious and spiritual
backgrounds.
I don't discriminate to workwith you if you're a Christian
or not, and so sometimes it'sdifficult to meet the client
where they're at, but also it'sI clearly see what's going on
here.
And how do I help this clientsee what's going on in a way
that's going to be palatable tothem, right, because I don't
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want to offend them or weirdthem out, because then they're
going to be like, oh, I don'twant to work with her anymore.
And so it's a really delicatekind of dance and very much have
to be in tune to the HolySpirit in those situations,
because I honestly don't knowthe right thing to do sometimes.
And so while I'm sitting theretalking to my client, the voice
in my head is just saying justbe love.
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Right, be love.
That's the number one priority,and number two is Holy Spirit.
What should I say to thisperson?
And sometimes he has me godirect to truth, spell it out
for them.
They need to know.
And sometimes he says they'renot ready to understand that
truth.
But I want you to nudge them inthat direction by giving them
this insight or this food forthought.
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And so it is difficult tonavigate those situations
sometimes, but sometimes it'scrystal clear black and white
what's happening, that demons domanifest during that process.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah, it's very interesting.
So, just to mention, leah hasactually went through Dr
Larson's International School ofExorcism and the Advanced
Academy of Deliverance, becauseshe's a learner by nature.
She has her master's degree intherapy and counseling, and so
she came across Dr Larson andwas like I want to learn this.
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So during that training you aretaught some on inner healing,
and so that really sparked herinterest.
So when she was done with that,she was like I want to
specialize in inner healing andnot so much exorcism.
So I think that's awesome andwe have quite a few people on
our teams that go through.
They understand the exorcismprocess, but they are more
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comfortable with working withpeople from an inner healing
perspective and it's just asimportant as an exorcist.
Yeah, very interesting.
Leah, like you said, you workwith people that aren't
Christians as well, and you haveto be able to work with them in
a way that respects theirreligion, who they are, but also
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you as a Christian, and that'sa very fine line to walk.
So you're working with peoplesometimes that come to you that
might be in the New Age orpeople that come to you as
somebody in Wicca, but you are aChristian and you work with
Christians in inner healing aswell.
So tell us a little bit aboutthe complexities around that.
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How do you handle that as anexorcist?
I oftentimes get asked would youdo an exorcism on somebody that
is not a Christian?
And my answer to that typicallyis no, because it's the power
of Christ that keeps this out.
But when it comes to innerhealing, it's slightly different
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.
You're using the Holy Spirit tohelp people in Christianity to
come into those rooms to bringhealing, but people who are not
saved.
How does that look for you?
I'm very curious to know how doyou handle that with somebody
that, for example, comes to youthat's in the new age and they
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got crystals and they're usingchakras and all of this kind of
stuff.
How does that unfold for you asa Christian?
You are a Christian therapist.
You don't do this inner healingwork as a therapist.
You do this outside ofcounseling so that you can help
people worldwide.
When you did that, you helpedpeople worldwide.
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You got all kinds of people inand it's not like you can say,
hey, you're not a Christian, Ican't work with you.
So tell us a little bit of howthis unfolds for you and how did
you get comfortable with this.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
That is a big question and I would say it has
definitely unfolded over timewith maturity and wisdom, and
doing it wrong a lot of timesand learning from those mistakes
and also drawing closer to theHoly Spirit and being more
sensitive to his leading withinsessions has been a big part of
it.
But generally, like I saidbefore, my primary focus is that
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I don't have to do anything, Idon't have to say the right word
, I don't have to employ theright strategies.
Now I try to do that and Iusually do that, but at the end
of the day, sometimes I don'treally know what the right thing
to do or say is, and so Godtells me to just be love for
that person.
Let Jesus shine through me, lethim speak through me, let him
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look through my eyes, into theireyes, and show them how they
are loved.
And so my process is notjudgmental or condemnatory at
all.
I meet my client where they'reat.
If they're into crystals andchakras, it's just listening
with an open mind, trying tounderstand what that means to
them and how it helps them, andthen, listening to the Holy
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Spirit show me those littledoorways and little nudges to
push them into the direction oftruth in small ways, when
they're ready to hear or receiveit, things like crystals.
When I'm talking to clients ifthey're like, yeah, I went to
the store and I got someamethyst and whatever for this
and that I'll be like oh, that'sreally interesting.
In my faith tradition, we seerocks differently.
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We see that rocks proclaim theglory of God or something like
that, right, where I'm not likepreaching at them, I'm just
sharing a different perspective.
And usually by this point wehave really great rapport and
they're like oh, tell me moreabout that, or if they're into
chakras.
I looked into chakras.
One of my clients are like, oh,they're amazing and you have to
(30:24):
open your chakras, and so Ilearned a lot about that.
And so when clients are talkingto me about chakras, I have
well, that's interesting, but inmy faith tradition we see it
more this way, but that it's notnecessarily a kundalini rising,
it's the wellspring of the HolySpirit.
And again, it's like hard tosay, like a blanket statement of
how I do it, but it's justthose little, always coming at
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it with a lens of love and thentrying to find those small
opportunities to, you know,impart truth into their lives.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
That's awesome.
That's awesome.
That's awesome because it'swhat you said.
Jesus said love your neighboras yourself.
And so, through the love ofChrist, you're telling them
about your faith practice andit's not in a way of saying I'm
right, you're wrong.
And I think that's wonderful,especially if you really want to
help people, because I wasraised in a generation where I'm
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right, the Word of God saysthis and you're wrong and you're
all going to hell.
This is how I was trained as achild and I mentioned that in my
episode on overcoming thedarkness, my testimony that I
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was a social work major for twoand a half years, and it really
taught me how to understand andwork with people, how to see the
person, and in my training Icould learn to see somebody for
who they are and to respect thatperson.
And so in today's times, it's amore respectful interaction
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between people that's going tohelp them understand.
Because when you speak truth,it doesn't have to be a
five-minute dissertation.
It could be a 20-secondstatement and that's all the
Holy Spirit needs, because it'snot us anyhow, and it takes a
lot of wisdom to minister topeople in a way that they are
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receptive to contemplate.
It's not very often I meetsomebody that's not a Christian,
that they're like oh yes,that's perfect, that's what I
need.
Certainly that happens, butthat's rare.
Most of the time it's discussionand talking through things in a
respectful way, and it'swonderful.
This is great.
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This is great Good for you,leah, being able to walk that
fine line, tapping into the HolySpirit, asking the Holy Spirit
for guidance, because he's ourteacher, he's our counsel, right
, he's our comforter.
The Holy Spirit's a powerfulpart of the Trinity and I pray
to the Holy Spirit, often goingthrough exorcism sessions,
because he has supremeintelligence so he can guide me,
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he can give me words ofknowledge that, hey, this
happened and they're not talkingabout this.
And so I just asked a clientlisten, what did you have a
grandma?
Yes, what happened with yourgrandma?
Oh, I can't believe you broughtthat up.
Yeah, it's been brought upbecause the Holy Spirit nudged
me that way.
And now, leah, we talked aboutthe soul house right Outside of
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the soul house.
Are there any other practicesyou'd like to share for the
listeners, just to give them alittle understanding as to what
else you might deal with as aninner healing coach?
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Sure.
So I really like to use thework of Richard Schwartz with
internal family systems.
I think it's a brilliant modelWith all models.
It was groundbreaking, but nowwe can take it and improve it
even more.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Okay, okay, let me interrupt you on that.
Explain to the listeners whatis that?
There are many people listening.
They have no clue.
Maybe you were.
I apologize for interrupting,but I know what that is, but I
just want you to share what isthat you're talking about?
The family system.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Yeah.
So Richard looked at anestablished counseling theory of
family systems and thatdifferent people play different
roles in families and they havedifferent power dynamics, and he
realized that we could takethat idea and apply it to
ourselves, that we as anindividual, have many parts of
ourselves, sometimes that areconflicting, sometimes that are
working together, and so thebasis of this model is that
every human being has a coreself.
(34:45):
That is absolutely good, and heuses the eight C's to describe
the core self, which is calm,clarity, creative and curious,
connected and compassionate,confident and courageous.
So I love working with clientsto help them reconnect to their
true self, because a lot ofpeople, having been traumatized
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or experienced terriblerelationships or whatever,
they've become disconnected fromwho they really are they don't
even know, and so that step oneis to help them realize that
their core is good and that it'salways with them and they can
tap into it at any point or anytime, and it is helpful then for
wisdom and guidance.
Right, that's the way you wantto live is from your core self.
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But throughout life weexperience emotional wounds, and
these are significant times inour life when we weren't seen,
loved or kept safe, and so apart of our core self breaks off
Sometimes we call thatdissociation or disconnection or
fragmentation and that partthen lives in that perpetual
pain of that wound, and so ininternal family systems that's
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called an exile part.
I renamed it to be a captivepart because I was commissioned
to set the captives free.
So those are, like I said, theemotional wounds.
And then when we experiencethese emotional wounds, we also
develop another fragmented part,which are defense mechanisms.
And these are the parts thatare working really hard to try
to keep you safe so that younever feel wounded again.
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And they take many forms.
Some people have angry defensemechanisms, some people are
avoidant, some people arepeople-pleasing, some people are
hypercritical and throughoutthe course of working with the
client.
Number one connect to core self.
So you're coming at the work,the rest of the work, from a
place of strength.
Number two we identify theemotional wounds, times in your
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life when you weren't seen,loved or kept safe and one of
the most profound healingstrategies is to help the person
connect to a source ofunconditional love at a time
that they needed it the most.
And let's say they were 10years old and they were bullied
in school.
And I'll say what did you needthat you didn't get?
And they say I needed a bigbrother to come and protect me.
(37:01):
Okay, can you imagine that youdid have a big brother?
Or maybe it was Jesus who comesin, or whatever.
It's to them a source ofunconditional love, someone they
deeply love and trust.
And when that person enters thatmemory and they can imagine
that big brother coming in andprotecting them from the
bullying, I'll say how does thatchange the younger you?
And they say I'm smiling, I'mhappier, I'm more confident.
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And I'll say, okay, trace thatchange through your life.
How does that change things foryou in high school, when you
got what you needed?
How does it change things incollege?
How does it change you now?
And, like you said before, it'sa matter of processing those
emotions.
That's exactly what we did.
We processed the pain, webrought healing to that memory.
And then I'll say, okay, nowthink back to that time when you
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were 10 years old and beingbullied.
How does that feel?
They'll say it feels a lot morepeaceful, there's no more
sadness there, and so you knowthat has been resolved.
And then we have to deal withthose defense mechanisms, those
behavior patterns of like, maybepushing people out of our lives
before they hurt us.
And so, from the core self, nowyou have all this inner wisdom
(38:04):
that you're connected to, andyou might coach that hijacking
part to say with calm maybelet's take a deep breath, let's
relax, how are we going to moveforward?
And then clarity might say okay, our old patterns aren't
working.
What are we going to dodifferently?
Compassion might say, oh,you've been hurt, but that
person is also hurt.
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Can we make an outreach?
Whatever, your core self has somuch healing potential within
yourself once a person learnshow to connect with it.
And so I know that there's alot of different pieces to this
inner healing process, but thegoal at the end of the day is
integration, bringing all thosefragmented pieces back into one
unified self.
(38:45):
So you're not two-faced, you'renot a person who lacks
integrity, you're not a personwho's double-minded.
You are authentic and genuinein all aspects of your life and
healed ultimately.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
And I think it's important to mention that when
you say the core self, you'retalking about the part that God
created us to truly be.
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Absolutely yes.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
God created every single one of us to be a good
human, so that core self is whatGod intended for you that core
self is what God intended foryou, and when you talk about
tapping into the wisdom thatcore self has, that's basically
talking about the intelligencethat God's created you to have
the wisdom and understanding,perception and stuff like that.
(39:30):
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yes, and so every person has those skills and
abilities innately and everybodyhas a unique combination right.
Some people are going to havemore creativity, other people
are going to have more courage,and it doesn't matter if a
person is a Christian or not.
This inner healing works forthem and once they tap into that
core self, they become a betterversion of themselves.
But the amazing thing withbeing a Christian and having
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access and knowledge of the HolySpirit is that when we go down
deeper, past our core self, intoour spirit, that spark of life
that was given to us by God, andwe invite the Holy Spirit to be
the wellspring of living waterinside of our being and to take
up residence in our house and tofill our soul with life and
with light, and now your souland your being becomes aligned
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with the Holy Spirit.
That is when dynamite happens.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Yes, and so when you're explaining to invite the
Holy Spirit to come in and to bein us, in our soul, into light,
because oftentimes souls arevery dark.
So when you're saying the HolySpirit come in and be light,
it's because we want him to comeinto the soul and illuminate it
.
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Yes, I am a very visual person and that's how I
see it.
I see like a big, beautifulmansion with all the lights on,
and the light is just likepouring out of this house.
That's how I want my, that'show I want to be seen in the
spiritual realm.
I want them to see me as avessel of God's light that fill
pours out of me into the darkworld.
(41:05):
So absolutely yes.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
So you use a lot of visualization as an inner
healing coach with practices andthings like that.
Do you find that helpful withthe clients?
It find that helpful with theclients.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
It's extremely helpful with the clients.
One of the biggest barriers tohealing is that people can't
imagine a life of being healed.
They can't.
Even when I say what do youwant, what do you need, they
draw a blank.
They don't know, and so a partof my work with clients is
helping them to think of it,articulate it.
The Bible says God can doimmeasurably more than we can
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ask or imagine.
So I tell them give it yourbest shot, what's the best you
can imagine for your life,because God can do more than
that.
But once they start thinkingabout it, once they start
noticing the details of whatthat life would be and how it
would look and how it would feel, now they start to have a
roadmap of oh, this is where I'mgoing, and naturally they start
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to build an action plan of howto get there.
But without that vision,there's really nothing.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
It's what the Bible says without vision, my people
perish, I believe, is how thatscripture goes.
But yeah, vision is extremelyimportant.
Scripture goes, but yeah,vision is extremely important,
and I think we can apply that tojust a person's life in general
.
Okay, so you want to come foran exorcism?
What's your vision of beingfree?
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What is your vision of beingfree?
Is your vision of being freejust hey, my demons are gone and
I just go on living the waythat I want to live?
Or is your vision?
Hey, when my demons are gone,I'm going to seek God and find
out what is my destiny andpurpose for the kingdom.
(42:49):
Each of you listening has adestiny for God and the kingdom.
I don't care how you feel.
I don't care how stuck you feel, how much low self-esteem you
have, how much depression youhave or how successful you are
in life.
That's irrelevant when it comesto what God created you to do
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for his kingdom.
Catch that.
You have a kingdom purpose andmy kingdom purpose was exorcism.
Listen, guys, I lived thissurvival mode okay, Grinding
through hours of work.
People would have said I was aworkaholic and I would agree
with them.
I would work 60-hourweeksaholic and I would agree
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with them.
I would work 60-hour weeks, getovertime and then operate a
software company on a site, justgrinding and grinding, making
all the money I could make andpaying bills, and not doing a
single thing for the kingdom ofGod other than tithing to a
local church and going to aSunday morning message.
And I did do teaching in thechurch.
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I was a little bit plugged in.
I was a deacon at my churchthis is when I was married but
in general I was in survivalmode, self-absorbed mode.
God wasn't Lord of my life, Iwas just a Christian.
So let me say that again JesusChrist wasn't Lord of my life, I
was just a Christian.
(44:17):
So let me say that again JesusChrist wasn't Lord of my life, I
was just a Christian.
And when I went for exorcism,inner healing and therapy, I
went through exorcism and innerhealing with Dr Larson for 14
months.
Then I went to therapy.
I started when I was 48 yearsold.
It doesn't have to take thatlong for people, but in my
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particular case it did.
It was during this time oftransformation of, as Leah says,
finding your real self, thatauthentic self, and the defense
mechanisms and everything arestripped away and inner healing
happens to the traumatized parts.
Now you begin to catch arealistic expectation of what
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God wants to do, and this iswhat happened with me, and so
exorcism became it.
I was very passionate about it,as you guys know, and so this
is how I walked into it, byapplying what Leah and I are
sharing with you guys, Becauseyou can have the best quote
(45:24):
unquote Christian ministry inthe world If you're not healed
and are broken, who's to say?
Just because you're gifted as aminister, that's what you're
supposed to be doing.
You know, when you get beyondsurvival, well, I don't need
none of this inner healing stuff.
I'm fine, I'm a man, I drive abig truck.
I don't need this inner healing.
(45:46):
I'm fine, I pay the bills, Ihunt and bring home squirrels
and there are guys listening tome right now, and that's you,
you know.
And so this touchy-feely, youknow inner healing and
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visualization, and I don't needany of this.
I'm fine.
One thing you're not reallygetting my friend is into your
destiny.
It's like you're walking with alimp.
As a Christian, You're on acrutch.
Survival mode is using a crutch.
So when you humble yourself andthat's what it really boils
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down to we have to humbleourselves as children of God and
admit that we're broken, admitthat we're damaged, admit that
we've been through trauma and weneed help.
Second to that is I want helpand no matter the cost, I will
change.
I will get the help so that Ican understand what my destiny
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is.
Understand what my destiny is.
I won certificates during mycareer for being a superstar.
I had programmingcertifications and irrelevant to
me.
I can remember just gettingthis plaque at work and just
coming home and putting my deskand shut the desk because I
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could care less right, Because Iwas in survival mode.
It didn't matter to me, I wasjust surviving, not even feeling
any of this stuff.
But when I had the healing andmy energies, my intellect, my
time, my finances and myresources were directed, instead
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of on me, to the destiny thatGod had created for me exorcism,
and there's more than that.
He's actually got me writing abook now.
I've done a lot of writing in mycareer and throughout my life
and all kinds of stuff and,speaking of which, I am going to
start writing more articles onmy blog.
(47:56):
I call it Frontline, so it'sFrontline articles.
I talk all about spiritualwarfare and dealing with your
mind and all kinds ofencouraging, inspiring things
and challenging things.
I'm going to be getting back tothat, but this is just another
thing that the Lord said.
I want you to do this and I'mlike, absolutely, and it's been
challenging, it's been tough,man, when you sit down and write
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a book.
But my point isn't the book, mypoint isn't exorcism.
My point is that I went throughthis process of inner healing
and deliverance and I'm walkingthe destiny and nothing ever in
my life has ever matched it.
Nothing, no amount of rewards,no amount of money, not my
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marriage that ended in divorceafter 15 years, not even the
marriage, not the houses, notthe swimming pools, not the
children.
That whole American dream, forme personally, was a farce man,
because it left me empty andvacant and void.
And now that I'm walking in mydestiny and helping people from
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around the world, they get ahold of me and I can
compassionately, through JesusChrist, serve them.
Nothing beats this.
You have to find your destinyand purpose in Jesus Christ.
Serve them.
Nothing beats this.
You have to find your destinyand purpose in Jesus Christ.
My friend, Are you bored in life?
Do you feel stuck?
Is it mundane, like you're justdoing the same thing over and
(49:24):
over A robot.
There's no emotion, there's noattachment, there's no
connection.
It's because you're not walkingin your true destiny.
It doesn't matter if you're inChristian ministry, If you're
still just going through themotions and numb, you're not
walking in your true destiny.
It doesn't matter if you're inChristian ministry, If you're
still just going through themotions and numb, you're not
walking in your destiny.
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And this is an opportunity foryou to walk in your destiny by
going through inner healing andexorcism and cleaning up and
just simply humbling yourselfand saying, hey, man, I'm not
all that.
I got the nice house, I got thecars, I got the kids, but I'm
broken.
That's key.
Admitting that, hey, I'm awreck, I need help, I'm not all
that.
And then coming and get theexorcism, the inner healing,
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working with Leah inner healingcoach, get all healed up, get
them demons out, and then, God,what's the destiny?
What do you want me to do?
And then that is where you'regoing to find authentic self and
authentic joy and fulfillmentin life.
Everything else is just fleeting, but there's this sustaining,
deep sense of amazinggratification and fulfillment
(50:35):
when you're walking in what Godhas really called you to do, Not
to say that there's notchallenges and stress and all
that because there is, butthere's this solid anchor of an
understanding that this is whereI'm supposed to be.
This is what I'm supposed to bedoing.
I am actually in the will ofGod.
(50:56):
Okay, I'm done preaching.
I got real excited there.
I hope someone got inspired.
But, Leah, I want to come overto you as I'm sharing this.
What are some thoughts that aregoing through your head with
this whole destiny purpose?
Finding your real selffulfillment in life and et
cetera?
Speaker 2 (51:20):
Justin, I don't know if I could say it any better
than you just said it there.
I was listening to you goingyes, that is it, yes.
So I don't even want to followthat up with a comment.
I think you nailed it.
That's exactly how I see it too.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Awesome, awesome, I think.
With that said, I think we'veshared enough here for you guys.
I'm so excited that I couldhave somebody come on and really
explain inner healing in apractical nuts and bolts way, so
you can really understand whatis this, how does it work.
And so, leah, I want to thankyou so much for coming on to the
(51:53):
podcast and sharing with ourlisteners everything that you
know you did, because it'samazing and it's so helpful.
And I know right now that thereare people listening they're
like, oh my gosh, I need thisNow.
This makes sense.
Justin's been talking aboutinner healing and all this, but
(52:15):
now that Leah's explained this,this really makes sense.
So, leah, I want to come back toyou, and first there's two
things, because I'm going toclose out here, but two things
I'd like.
Number one I'd like for you toencourage the listeners as to
why they should go for innerhealing and also for exorcism,
(52:41):
and after you've shared yourthoughts on that, I'd like for
you to go ahead and give yourcontact information so the
listeners, anyone interested,can get a hold of you to maybe
start their inner healingjourney.
I highly recommend it.
Leah is very skilled, she has alot of talent and just highly
recommend her.
So go ahead, leah, if you cantalk with the people about why
(53:02):
should they consider innerhealing and why should they
consider exorcism, so that itcan be whole, and then share
your contact information with us, and I'll put this in the show
notes too, as well, and on theblog post on my website I'll add
a link to your website as well.
So remember that, guys.
On my website, justindcom, youcan always find all of these
(53:25):
podcasts and listen to themthere, and sometimes I got a
picture of the person.
And then, and while you'rethere on my homepage, scroll
clear to the bottom and sign upfor my newsletter, because I'm
going to be writing and sendingit out.
You're going to like it.
It's going to be inspiring,challenging, encouraging.
Leah, let's hear what you haveto say to the listeners.
Speaker 2 (53:45):
Thank you, justin.
When my clients come to me,they tell me they're burnt out.
They tell me they're exhausted,they're living in cycles of
anxiety and depression.
They don't know why they feelso sad or hopeless.
And when we embark on an innerhealing journey, like I said
before, they tell me this waseasier than I thought it was
going to be and it was fasterthan I thought it was going to
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be, and I love watching themcome alive through the process.
The spark of life comes backinto their eyes, their curiosity
begins to unfold, their passionfor loving others and making
the world a better place startsto explode.
It's just a completetransformation.
So if you're not sure if innerhealing will be helpful to you,
(54:30):
give me a call and we'll talkabout it and I'll let you know
if I think you'd be a good fitfor inner healing and the people
that I about it.
And I'll let you know if Ithink you'd be a good fit for
inner healing and the work thatthe people that I work with, and
I'll let you know if I think itwould be helpful or not.
So people can get in contactwith me through my website,
hiddengemsconsultingllccom, andright now there's pre-enrollment
for the 12-week inner healingcoaching group.
(54:52):
So that is going to be asupported 12-week journey.
If you are ready to sign up andyou think, yes, inner healing
is for me, go hop over to mywebsite, check out that program
and, like I said, reach out tome with questions or comments.
I reply to every single one.
Hey everyone, justin D here and welcome back to the
Blind Exorcist.
This is episode 29, and yeah,it's been a while.
I caught COVID and it took mesome time to fully bounce back,
but now I'm ready to go.
I've got an incredible lineupof guests coming your way this
(00:20):
year, and today's episode is oneyou don't want to miss.
I'm sitting down with LeahSemborski, a Christian inner
healing coach who's helpingpeople around the world break
free from emotional wounds thatkeep them stuck.
She's been a mental healthpractitioner for years, but now
she's fully focused on innerhealing coaching, reaching
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people beyond the limits oftraditional therapy.
But what exactly is innerhealing and why does it work so
powerfully alongside exorcism?
If you've ever wondered whysome struggles just won't go
away, why past wounds still holdyou back, or why someone can
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experience deliverance but stillfeel emotionally broken, then
this episode is going to connectthe dots for you.
Leah and I are breaking it alldown in a way that's practical,
easy to understand and somethingyou can actually apply to your
life.
By the end of this conversation, you won't just know what inner
(01:27):
healing is.
You'll see how it works and howit can help you move forward.
Before we jump in, I want toinvite you to partner with me to
help support this show.
You can tap on the Support theShow link in the show notes or
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Your support isn't just aboutkeeping this show going.
It's about bringing freedom tothose who need it most.
Every episode helps someonebreak free, find healing and
step into the life God has forthem.
Thank you for being part ofthis mission.
And hey, if you haven'tsubscribed yet, go ahead and hit
(02:14):
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If this episode resonates withyou, share it with someone who
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Leah's contact info is in theshow notes and you can also find
it on my website, justindcom,by going to Podcast and then
Episodes and clicking on Episode29.
(02:35):
All right, with all of that outof the way, let's get into it.
Leah, welcome to the BlindExorcist.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Thank you so much for having me, Justin.
I am very excited to be here.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I really appreciate you coming on to the show.
I know you're busy.
I'm excited to have you join usand for the audience, this is
going to be great.
Leah is an inner healing coach.
She also, as I've mentioned inthe introduction, is a mental
health practitioner for manyyears and she's doing this
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outside of her mental healthpractice so that she could help
as many people as possible,because I've mentioned this
since the first episode when itcomes to becoming emotionally
well, emotionally healed, ittakes both exorcism and inner
healing.
What do we mean by innerhealing?
(03:39):
You guys have heard me talkabout that for quite a while on
the show, and so I'm so excitedthat Leah's with us so she could
help us dissect this.
But, in short, inner healing isa Christian term.
That means being emotionallyhealed by the power of the Holy
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Spirit.
That's it.
So traumas that you go throughthe rapes, the incests, the
molestations, the financialabandonment, family members who
have betrayed you, who haverejected you, abandoned you on
and on the trauma goes.
When people come to me for anexorcism, the majority of them
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have not dealt with the traumaand demons enter through trauma,
and so it's essential that Ayou go through an exorcism to
get rid of your demons and thenB get inner healing done.
And inner healing is a practice.
It's not therapists can't helpwith inner healing.
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There's trauma.
Therapists highly recommendthem, but Leah specializes in
Christian inner healing, whichis phenomenal, okay.
So I just wanted to share alittle bit about what is this
inner healing concept?
Again, people come for exorcism, have not been through therapy,
have not had inner healing, sothey still have gaping holes of
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trauma and that's where demonsenter.
So we can get rid of the demons.
But if they've not had thetrauma healed, sometimes demons
can re-enter because theyhaven't had the trauma healed
and dealt with.
So Leah is going to come onhere today.
She has an exact approach toinner healing.
There's different approachesout there that Christians use.
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I really like Leah's approach.
She came recently to speak to agroup of us exorcists and it
was so awesome.
The more she talked I was likeI have got to have her come on
to the podcast.
This is going to give the nutsand bolts of how this actually
unfolds if you would opt tochoose to work with Leah or
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somebody else that might beinvolved in inner healing, but
it is essential.
Okay, with all of that said,I'm going to come to you, leah,
and the first question I'd liketo ask you.
I've done my job of stumblingthrough inner healing, but can
you explain to the audience inyour professional opinion, what
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does inner healing mean in asimplistic way that people can
understand?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yes, that's a great question.
So I guess I would start out bytalking about the difference
between body, soul and spirit.
Our body is our earthly vehiclethat gets us through this world
.
We have perception, we go tosleep at night, we eat food
right, it's our earthly vehicle,and the Bible sometimes talks
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about our fleshly nature.
Right, our body is selfish andpleasure-seeking.
So I don't know, probably mostof your viewers have had the
experience of battling with theflesh.
Right, your will says I want toeat healthy and exercise, but
the flesh says eat the chocolatecake.
So, even though we battle withour flesh, our human body is an
amazing and wonderful machine,and so I encourage all of my
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clients to appreciate and havegratitude for their body.
The next level is the soul,which is the intuition, the will
and the emotions of the person.
It is the you that you reallyare, at your essence, and it's
completely invisible.
We can't see the soul, but itis very real, and that's mostly
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where we do inner healing.
Work is on the soul level.
But then we also have thespirit, which is the spark of
life that is given to us by God,and when a person can tap into
that spirit and invite it toindwell the soul, right.
The spirit is life, it is light, it propels you, it heals you.
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It's everything that you need,right, it's in the spirit.
And so in inner healing, like Isaid, mostly we focus on the
soul level.
We want to heal the soul, wewant to repair wounds, we want
to transform pain into strength,purpose and passion.
But sometimes we have to dothat by paying attention to the
body and what our body is tryingto tell us about our safety or
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our needs or our emotions.
And also, of course, we want totap into the spirit, so that
the spirit, holy Spirit.
Of course we want to tap intothe Spirit so that the Spirit,
holy Spirit, is what's behindthe healing work on the soul
level.
Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yes, it makes perfect sense and that's what's
wonderful about the Holy Spiritis that, as a Christian, that's
a massive benefit that the HolySpirit can actually bring
emotional healing.
Benefit that the Holy Spiritcan actually bring emotional
healing Because a lot of peoplein life they just learn how to
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cope and tolerate their pain,tolerate their trauma and just
trudge through life under thiskind of dark, heavy cloud and
they just learn to survive.
So a lot of people are just insurvival mode, even as
Christians.
They go to church depressed butthey act happy and then they
leave depressed because thetraumas have never been healed
and, in addition to that,they've never been through
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exorcism or deliverance ministry.
They've never gotten demons outthat have entered through the
trauma.
So it makes perfect sense andagain, to everyone listening, it
takes both and honestly, in mypractice I have found it doesn't
matter and Leah, I'll come toyou in a minute about this but
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it really doesn't matter whichyou start first.
If you start exorcism, I'mgoing to tell you you need inner
healing, and if you start innerhealing, leah's going to see
demons come up occasionally andsay you need an exorcism.
So whether you start with innerhealing, whether you start with
exorcism, it doesn't matter.
Currently I am working with aclient who has dissociative
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identity disorder.
We've talked a lot about thisand I know Leah works with this
as well.
But it's basically you're goingthrough a trauma and your mind
separates because it's too muchfor the core person to handle.
When someone's going through atrauma, for example like sexual
abuse by a father, the childwill separate and if it's, for
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example, a boy, he'll say thisis happening to Frank, it's not
happening to me, anddisassociation happens.
So Frank stays with, in thisexample, say, mike for his whole
life.
Frank just doesn't go away.
And if it's happening to a girlsome sort of trauma, it doesn't
have to be sexual violation.
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That's just the most commonones.
It could be anything that hascaused trauma.
For example, maybe a child, alittle girl, eight years old,
finds her father dead in a chairby committing suicide and
disassociates from that.
It's too much for her littlepsyche to handle.
Maybe her name's Jennifer andshe says this is happening to
Sally, not me.
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And so Sally takes the pain,sally takes the trauma of the
lost father.
So Jennifer grows up to be anadult and little Sally's in
there at eight years old thewhole time, holding that pain,
holding that trauma.
Jennifer's been throughcounseling her whole life, never
feels better.
She's never been through anexorcism.
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So Jennifer's never beenthrough an exorcism, she's never
been through inner healing.
She's been through therapy,which is essential.
I'm huge on therapy, I love it,but when you're a Christian,
you've got to come into thespiritual, into this inner
healing realm.
So, leah, sorry for going onabout that, but I think that's
important for people tounderstand that when traumas
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happen in life, they can tuckthat away, and I think you use a
model as you work with clientsthat helps them to explore the
trauma and to begin to work onthat trauma to bring in inner
healing.
Tell us a little bit about that.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah.
So one of the strategies that Ilike to use with clients is
this idea of the soul house, andthis is biblical.
It comes from Matthew 12,starting at verse 43.
When an impure spirit comes outof a person, it goes through
arid places seeking rest anddoes not find it.
Then it says I will return tothe house I left.
When it arrives, it finds thehouse unoccupied, swept clean
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and put in order.
Then it goes and takes with itseven other spirits more wicked
than itself, and they go in andlive there, and the final
condition of that person isworse than the first.
And so that idea that our soulis actually a house and in that
passage it says that the housewas swept clean, which we can
take to mean a couple differentthings, right, maybe the person
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cleaned up their life andthey're living more righteously.
Maybe the person has beenwashed by the blood of Jesus
probably both of those things.
So the house was clean, but itwas also unoccupied, and so the
Holy Spirit had not yet taken upresidence.
And so the strategy that I usewith clients is to help them
understand their soul that way.
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If your soul was a house withmany rooms, what would it look
like and one of our firstactivities is to maybe draw it
on paper, paint it, sketch it.
I actually made a house out ofwood.
Multimodal processing is animportant part of inner healing.
But they really think aboutwhat does their house look like?
And for some clients we'restarting from a place where that
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house is basically condemned,it's haunted, there are demons
living in it, it's dark, it'sscary.
And then, through the course ofinner healing, in our
imagination, this all happens inour imagination, but it is a
way to access the spirit realm.
We do guided imagery, where Iask the person to maybe find a
specific room in their house.
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Maybe it's the room that theylocked up all their memories and
feelings about their abusivedad.
And so today we're going to golook in that room and we do it
in a graduated way, because Inever want people to just run
helter skelter into a traumaticmemory without some caution and
guardrails up.
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Maybe at first we just stand atthe doorway and think about
going into the room and then wecheck in with our body.
How does that feel?
Is it okay to take the nextstep?
Then maybe we open the door andjust notice what we see in
there and then over time, asthey get more comfortable, they
might walk into the room andthen again, through guided
imagery and different narrativetherapy practices and things,
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they begin to renovate the room.
They process memories that theyfind in there and they decide,
oh, I don't want to hang on tothat anymore, I'm going to let
that go.
And a really important part ofthis work is, of course, to
invite Holy Spirit to come intothose rooms and ask Him to
renovate, remodel or remake thatroom in whatever way he wants
to.
And sometimes, when the clientjust sits back and lets God do
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what God does, they're shocked,they're amazed and they're
surprised by the things that hedoes.
And, like I said, that's justone strategy of inner healing,
but it's very powerful and verytransformative.
And as their house changes andwe do different drawings of it,
you can see how the healing isunfolding over time.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Thank you for that, leah.
That's amazing.
I just want to say for thoselistening that this is not a new
age practice.
This isn't anything new, ageyand all of that.
This is simple visualization.
It's a visualization exerciseto help people begin to process
trauma at a pace that they'reable to process it at.
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And, as a trained exorcist, weare trained in inner healing and
when we work with clients, wealso use a lot of visualization.
So we'll have them see Jesuscoming into a room or Jesus
taking their hand and takingthem out of a room, or things
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like this.
Now we do not use, you know,the model that Lee is using, but
my point isn't the models.
My point is visualization is areally good way of processing
trauma.
Memory processing is veryimportant to get past trauma
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that you've experienced.
So again, those of youlistening right now you're like,
oh, I don't need this.
But keep in mind who's to sayyou don't?
Most people who feel that theydon't need things like this.
They are in survivor mode, sothey're numb, they're
disconnected and they justfunction in life like a robot.
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They get up, they drink theircup of coffee, they mope to the
car and collapse in it.
With a coffee, they drive tothe office gloom and doom all
over them, just trudging through, surviving.
Then they work all day and theycome home and they're half
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depressed and their life isunfulfilled.
Now, these are Christians, bythe way.
These are Christians, by theway.
I work with them a lot likethis, people who are just
unfulfilled, unhappy, stuck inlife.
But here's the kicker unwillingto change.
That's what's surprising to me,and I don't say that in
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judgment, I say that because itsaddens me.
There's so many people in lifethat are stuck and unwilling to
change because they're afraid ofchange.
They're afraid of going intothose rooms, like Leah's talking
about and facing the trauma anddealing with the baggage and
the trauma that's keeping themstuck in life.
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And a lot of people are stuckin life in many ways Isolation,
unresolved trauma.
They've not went into thoserooms, okay, addictions of all
kinds, it doesn't matter whatthe addiction is.
They're running from theunresolved trauma, the pain
inside of those rooms.
My encouragement to youlistening, are you numb, okay?
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Are you feeling stuck in life?
Are you simply in a survivalmode?
Day by day, life feels mildlymeaningless to you, but yet as a
Christian or even not as aChristian you just trudge
through because you don't wantto die, you want to live, but
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you're just living in a stuckexistence.
So my encouragement to you andyou've probably been listening
to the podcast for a while isget unstuck, my friend, deal
with the baggage.
It always blesses me whensomeone comes to see me and they
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are determined to change, nomatter the cost.
They're sick of feeling stuck,they're sick of being miserable
and just existing.
They're not living.
There's a difference betweenexisting and living.
So clients that come to me andsit across from me and say I
don't just want to exist anymore, I don't want to just survive.
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I'm ready to deal with mybaggage and I'm ready to get
freed from my demons and gethealed in my emotions so I can
live life, Hallelujah.
That's what all of us want todo.
We want to live life and,honestly, you've heard my story
in episode one overcoming thedarkness.
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That's my story.
This was where I was full ofdemons, needing inner healing.
I went through all that and Ichanged.
I encourage you today be opento change.
You don't have to live the wayyou're living, surviving and
just existing.
You can actually have life andenjoy life.
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So, leah, let me come back toyou, so you're working with your
clients and you're helping themgo through the rooms.
What has your experience beenwith the clients when it comes
to just existing in lifesurviving and the clients who
really want change?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
That's a huge difference.
People who sometimes peoplecome to counseling for a reason.
Maybe they're getting pressurefrom a spouse.
The spouse is saying you needcounseling, it's affecting our
relationship.
Maybe they feel like it's justsomething they should do, even
though they're not reallyinvested in the process, and it
just feels like a waste of mytime.
There are a lot of people outthere who want help and if you
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really don't want help, that'sokay.
There's no judgment.
Maybe you have stuff going onin your life that needs your
attention as a higher prioritythan inner healing right now.
I get it, whatever the reasonis.
But for people who join up withme and they're excited about
inner healing, they are sick andtired of being sick and tired.
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The work is very quick andthat's sometimes one of the
reasons why people don't want toget help for trauma is they
think this is too big.
No person can help me resolvethis and it's going to take
forever.
Even if it does work.
I'm going to be in therapy foryears.
That's not true.
Trauma work if you really havea practitioner who knows what
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they're doing.
It goes fast, to be honest,especially for those people who
want to do the work and they'reputting in the effort and a lot
of times I hear this from somany clients they tell me that
was easier than I thought it wasgoing to be and it went faster
than I thought it was going tobe.
And, yes, I wish everybodycould hear that message.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yes, I hear that too.
Like this was much more withexorcism.
Like this was much morecomfortable, it wasn't scary, it
wasn't anything like I had inmind.
So I think that's a good callout, leah, that a lot of people
have things built up in theirmind that just aren't based on
fact because they've not yetexperienced.
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So for those of you listening,listen, friend, now you have
fact here.
You've heard right.
Inner healing does not have tobe a long, drawn-out process for
somebody who knows what they'redoing.
If the inner healing personlike Leah understands how to do
this because she's had training,real good training,
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specifically in this area ofinner healing, or exorcism or
deliverance ministry, it doesn'tmatter.
You can go to a milliondeliverance ministers online.
Just go Google, go on YouTube.
You'll find hundreds of them.
But have they been trained?
The majority have not.
So I've always cautioned peoplebe careful.
Stick with people who havecredibility, stick with people
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who have certification, stickwith people who are under a
ministry and not out on theirown.
So it's just important to keepin mind.
So there is hope here.
This is wonderful.
How exciting, like I wish.
When I went through the traumasin my life, say in my mid-20s,
by the time I was in my mid-20s.
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If I would have known this inmy mid-20s by the time I was in
my mid-20s, if I would haveknown this like I could have an
inner healing coach or anexorcist to help me.
Oh my gosh, if I would havedone that, say, at 25 years old,
because my first exorcismsession I was 48.
So I went through life as asurvivor.
I was not living, I wasexisting, and now I'm living.
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I'm telling you, man, thisstuff works.
If you want to work it, it'llwork.
Leah, when you're working withclients and they're going into
these rooms, have you ever seendemons manifest in a client?
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Yes, I have.
It doesn't happen very often,and because I'm focused more on
inner healing, I'm notnecessarily advertising that I
do deliverance or exorcism, andso people aren't really coming
to work with me with thatexpectation.
So it doesn't happen a real lot, but it does happen.
And then we have theconversation.
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I'll ask them I noticedsomething unusual about what
just happened.
Did you notice that too?
And sometimes the client iswell aware that the demon is
there and they'll give me moreinformation about it.
Or at other times the client isI don't know what you mean.
And it's difficult sometimes inbeing an inner healing coach
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that works with a broad spectrumof religious and spiritual
backgrounds.
I don't discriminate to workwith you if you're a Christian
or not, and so sometimes it'sdifficult to meet the client
where they're at, but also it'sI clearly see what's going on
here.
And how do I help this clientsee what's going on in a way
that's going to be palatable tothem, right, because I don't
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want to offend them or weirdthem out, because then they're
going to be like, oh, I don'twant to work with her anymore.
And so it's a really delicatekind of dance and very much have
to be in tune to the HolySpirit in those situations,
because I honestly don't knowthe right thing to do sometimes.
And so while I'm sitting theretalking to my client, the voice
in my head is just saying justbe love.
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Right, be love.
That's the number one priority,and number two is Holy Spirit.
What should I say to thisperson?
And sometimes he has me godirect to truth, spell it out
for them.
They need to know.
And sometimes he says they'renot ready to understand that
truth.
But I want you to nudge them inthat direction by giving them
this insight or this food forthought.
(25:38):
And so it is difficult tonavigate those situations
sometimes, but sometimes it'scrystal clear black and white
what's happening, that demons domanifest during that process.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah, it's very interesting.
So, just to mention, leah hasactually went through Dr
Larson's International School ofExorcism and the Advanced
Academy of Deliverance, becauseshe's a learner by nature.
She has her master's degree intherapy and counseling, and so
she came across Dr Larson andwas like I want to learn this.
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So during that training you aretaught some on inner healing,
and so that really sparked herinterest.
So when she was done with that,she was like I want to
specialize in inner healing andnot so much exorcism.
So I think that's awesome andwe have quite a few people on
our teams that go through.
They understand the exorcismprocess, but they are more
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comfortable with working withpeople from an inner healing
perspective and it's just asimportant as an exorcist.
Yeah, very interesting.
Leah, like you said, you workwith people that aren't
Christians as well, and you haveto be able to work with them in
a way that respects theirreligion, who they are, but also
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you as a Christian, and that'sa very fine line to walk.
So you're working with peoplesometimes that come to you that
might be in the New Age orpeople that come to you as
somebody in Wicca, but you are aChristian and you work with
Christians in inner healing aswell.
So tell us a little bit aboutthe complexities around that.
(27:20):
How do you handle that as anexorcist?
I oftentimes get asked would youdo an exorcism on somebody that
is not a Christian?
And my answer to that typicallyis no, because it's the power
of Christ that keeps this out.
But when it comes to innerhealing, it's slightly different
(27:41):
.
You're using the Holy Spirit tohelp people in Christianity to
come into those rooms to bringhealing, but people who are not
saved.
How does that look for you?
I'm very curious to know how doyou handle that with somebody
that, for example, comes to youthat's in the new age and they
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got crystals and they're usingchakras and all of this kind of
stuff.
How does that unfold for you asa Christian?
You are a Christian therapist.
You don't do this inner healingwork as a therapist.
You do this outside ofcounseling so that you can help
people worldwide.
When you did that, you helpedpeople worldwide.
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You got all kinds of people inand it's not like you can say,
hey, you're not a Christian, Ican't work with you.
So tell us a little bit of howthis unfolds for you and how did
you get comfortable with this.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
That is a big question and I would say it has
definitely unfolded over timewith maturity and wisdom, and
doing it wrong a lot of timesand learning from those mistakes
and also drawing closer to theHoly Spirit and being more
sensitive to his leading withinsessions has been a big part of
it.
But generally, like I saidbefore, my primary focus is that
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I don't have to do anything, Idon't have to say the right word
, I don't have to employ theright strategies.
Now I try to do that and Iusually do that, but at the end
of the day, sometimes I don'treally know what the right thing
to do or say is, and so Godtells me to just be love for
that person.
Let Jesus shine through me, lethim speak through me, let him
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look through my eyes, into theireyes, and show them how they
are loved.
And so my process is notjudgmental or condemnatory at
all.
I meet my client where they'reat.
If they're into crystals andchakras, it's just listening
with an open mind, trying tounderstand what that means to
them and how it helps them, andthen, listening to the Holy
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Spirit show me those littledoorways and little nudges to
push them into the direction oftruth in small ways, when
they're ready to hear or receiveit, things like crystals.
When I'm talking to clients ifthey're like, yeah, I went to
the store and I got someamethyst and whatever for this
and that I'll be like oh, that'sreally interesting.
In my faith tradition, we seerocks differently.
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We see that rocks proclaim theglory of God or something like
that, right, where I'm not likepreaching at them, I'm just
sharing a different perspective.
And usually by this point wehave really great rapport and
they're like oh, tell me moreabout that, or if they're into
chakras.
I looked into chakras.
One of my clients are like, oh,they're amazing and you have to
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open your chakras, and so Ilearned a lot about that.
And so when clients are talkingto me about chakras, I have
well, that's interesting, but inmy faith tradition we see it
more this way, but that it's notnecessarily a kundalini rising,
it's the wellspring of the HolySpirit.
And again, it's like hard tosay, like a blanket statement of
how I do it, but it's justthose little, always coming at
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it with a lens of love and thentrying to find those small
opportunities to, you know,impart truth into their lives.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
That's awesome.
That's awesome.
That's awesome because it'swhat you said.
Jesus said love your neighboras yourself.
And so, through the love ofChrist, you're telling them
about your faith practice andit's not in a way of saying I'm
right, you're wrong.
And I think that's wonderful,especially if you really want to
help people, because I wasraised in a generation where I'm
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right, the Word of God saysthis and you're wrong and you're
all going to hell.
This is how I was trained as achild and I mentioned that in my
episode on overcoming thedarkness, my testimony that I
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was a social work major for twoand a half years, and it really
taught me how to understand andwork with people, how to see the
person, and in my training Icould learn to see somebody for
who they are and to respect thatperson.
And so in today's times, it's amore respectful interaction
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between people that's going tohelp them understand.
Because when you speak truth,it doesn't have to be a
five-minute dissertation.
It could be a 20-secondstatement and that's all the
Holy Spirit needs, because it'snot us anyhow, and it takes a
lot of wisdom to minister topeople in a way that they are
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receptive to contemplate.
It's not very often I meetsomebody that's not a Christian,
that they're like oh yes,that's perfect, that's what I
need.
Certainly that happens, butthat's rare.
Most of the time it's discussionand talking through things in a
respectful way, and it'swonderful.
This is great.
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This is great Good for you,leah, being able to walk that
fine line, tapping into the HolySpirit, asking the Holy Spirit
for guidance, because he's ourteacher, he's our counsel, right
, he's our comforter.
The Holy Spirit's a powerfulpart of the Trinity and I pray
to the Holy Spirit, often goingthrough exorcism sessions,
because he has supremeintelligence so he can guide me,
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he can give me words ofknowledge that, hey, this
happened and they're not talkingabout this.
And so I just asked a clientlisten, what did you have a
grandma?
Yes, what happened with yourgrandma?
Oh, I can't believe you broughtthat up.
Yeah, it's been brought upbecause the Holy Spirit nudged
me that way.
And now, leah, we talked aboutthe soul house right Outside of
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the soul house.
Are there any other practicesyou'd like to share for the
listeners, just to give them alittle understanding as to what
else you might deal with as aninner healing coach?
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Sure.
So I really like to use thework of Richard Schwartz with
internal family systems.
I think it's a brilliant modelWith all models.
It was groundbreaking, but nowwe can take it and improve it
even more.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Okay, okay, let me interrupt you on that.
Explain to the listeners whatis that?
There are many people listening.
They have no clue.
Maybe you were.
I apologize for interrupting,but I know what that is, but I
just want you to share what isthat you're talking about?
The family system.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Yeah.
So Richard looked at anestablished counseling theory of
family systems and thatdifferent people play different
roles in families and they havedifferent power dynamics, and he
realized that we could takethat idea and apply it to
ourselves, that we as anindividual, have many parts of
ourselves, sometimes that areconflicting, sometimes that are
working together, and so thebasis of this model is that
every human being has a coreself.
(34:45):
That is absolutely good, and heuses the eight C's to describe
the core self, which is calm,clarity, creative and curious,
connected and compassionate,confident and courageous.
So I love working with clientsto help them reconnect to their
true self, because a lot ofpeople, having been traumatized
(35:08):
or experienced terriblerelationships or whatever,
they've become disconnected fromwho they really are they don't
even know, and so that step oneis to help them realize that
their core is good and that it'salways with them and they can
tap into it at any point or anytime, and it is helpful then for
wisdom and guidance.
Right, that's the way you wantto live is from your core self.
(35:30):
But throughout life weexperience emotional wounds, and
these are significant times inour life when we weren't seen,
loved or kept safe, and so apart of our core self breaks off
Sometimes we call thatdissociation or disconnection or
fragmentation and that partthen lives in that perpetual
pain of that wound, and so ininternal family systems that's
(35:53):
called an exile part.
I renamed it to be a captivepart because I was commissioned
to set the captives free.
So those are, like I said, theemotional wounds.
And then when we experiencethese emotional wounds, we also
develop another fragmented part,which are defense mechanisms.
And these are the parts thatare working really hard to try
to keep you safe so that younever feel wounded again.
(36:15):
And they take many forms.
Some people have angry defensemechanisms, some people are
avoidant, some people arepeople-pleasing, some people are
hypercritical and throughoutthe course of working with the
client.
Number one connect to core self.
So you're coming at the work,the rest of the work, from a
place of strength.
Number two we identify theemotional wounds, times in your
(36:37):
life when you weren't seen,loved or kept safe and one of
the most profound healingstrategies is to help the person
connect to a source ofunconditional love at a time
that they needed it the most.
And let's say they were 10years old and they were bullied
in school.
And I'll say what did you needthat you didn't get?
And they say I needed a bigbrother to come and protect me.
(37:01):
Okay, can you imagine that youdid have a big brother?
Or maybe it was Jesus who comesin, or whatever.
It's to them a source ofunconditional love, someone they
deeply love and trust.
And when that person enters thatmemory and they can imagine
that big brother coming in andprotecting them from the
bullying, I'll say how does thatchange the younger you?
And they say I'm smiling, I'mhappier, I'm more confident.
(37:24):
And I'll say, okay, trace thatchange through your life.
How does that change things foryou in high school, when you
got what you needed?
How does it change things incollege?
How does it change you now?
And, like you said before, it'sa matter of processing those
emotions.
That's exactly what we did.
We processed the pain, webrought healing to that memory.
And then I'll say, okay, nowthink back to that time when you
(37:44):
were 10 years old and beingbullied.
How does that feel?
They'll say it feels a lot morepeaceful, there's no more
sadness there, and so you knowthat has been resolved.
And then we have to deal withthose defense mechanisms, those
behavior patterns of like, maybepushing people out of our lives
before they hurt us.
And so, from the core self, nowyou have all this inner wisdom
(38:04):
that you're connected to, andyou might coach that hijacking
part to say with calm maybelet's take a deep breath, let's
relax, how are we going to moveforward?
And then clarity might say okay, our old patterns aren't
working.
What are we going to dodifferently?
Compassion might say, oh,you've been hurt, but that
person is also hurt.
(38:25):
Can we make an outreach?
Whatever, your core self has somuch healing potential within
yourself once a person learnshow to connect with it.
And so I know that there's alot of different pieces to this
inner healing process, but thegoal at the end of the day is
integration, bringing all thosefragmented pieces back into one
unified self.
(38:45):
So you're not two-faced, you'renot a person who lacks
integrity, you're not a personwho's double-minded.
You are authentic and genuinein all aspects of your life and
healed ultimately.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
And I think it's important to mention that when
you say the core self, you'retalking about the part that God
created us to truly be.
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Absolutely yes.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
God created every single one of us to be a good
human, so that core self is whatGod intended for you that core
self is what God intended foryou, and when you talk about
tapping into the wisdom thatcore self has, that's basically
talking about the intelligencethat God's created you to have
the wisdom and understanding,perception and stuff like that.
(39:30):
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yes, and so every person has those skills and
abilities innately and everybodyhas a unique combination right.
Some people are going to havemore creativity, other people
are going to have more courage,and it doesn't matter if a
person is a Christian or not.
This inner healing works forthem and once they tap into that
core self, they become a betterversion of themselves.
But the amazing thing withbeing a Christian and having
(39:55):
access and knowledge of the HolySpirit is that when we go down
deeper, past our core self, intoour spirit, that spark of life
that was given to us by God, andwe invite the Holy Spirit to be
the wellspring of living waterinside of our being and to take
up residence in our house and tofill our soul with life and
with light, and now your souland your being becomes aligned
(40:19):
with the Holy Spirit.
That is when dynamite happens.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Yes, and so when you're explaining to invite the
Holy Spirit to come in and to bein us, in our soul, into light,
because oftentimes souls arevery dark.
So when you're saying the HolySpirit come in and be light,
it's because we want him to comeinto the soul and illuminate it
.
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Yes, I am a very visual person and that's how I
see it.
I see like a big, beautifulmansion with all the lights on,
and the light is just likepouring out of this house.
That's how I want my, that'show I want to be seen in the
spiritual realm.
I want them to see me as avessel of God's light that fill
pours out of me into the darkworld.
(41:05):
So absolutely yes.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
So you use a lot of visualization as an inner
healing coach with practices andthings like that.
Do you find that helpful withthe clients?
It find that helpful with theclients.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
It's extremely helpful with the clients.
One of the biggest barriers tohealing is that people can't
imagine a life of being healed.
They can't.
Even when I say what do youwant, what do you need, they
draw a blank.
They don't know, and so a partof my work with clients is
helping them to think of it,articulate it.
The Bible says God can doimmeasurably more than we can
(41:40):
ask or imagine.
So I tell them give it yourbest shot, what's the best you
can imagine for your life,because God can do more than
that.
But once they start thinkingabout it, once they start
noticing the details of whatthat life would be and how it
would look and how it would feel, now they start to have a
roadmap of oh, this is where I'mgoing, and naturally they start
(42:03):
to build an action plan of howto get there.
But without that vision,there's really nothing.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
It's what the Bible says without vision, my people
perish, I believe, is how thatscripture goes.
But yeah, vision is extremelyimportant.
Scripture goes, but yeah,vision is extremely important,
and I think we can apply that tojust a person's life in general
.
Okay, so you want to come foran exorcism?
What's your vision of beingfree?
(42:27):
What is your vision of beingfree?
Is your vision of being freejust hey, my demons are gone and
I just go on living the waythat I want to live?
Or is your vision?
Hey, when my demons are gone,I'm going to seek God and find
out what is my destiny andpurpose for the kingdom.
(42:49):
Each of you listening has adestiny for God and the kingdom.
I don't care how you feel.
I don't care how stuck you feel, how much low self-esteem you
have, how much depression youhave or how successful you are
in life.
That's irrelevant when it comesto what God created you to do
(43:12):
for his kingdom.
Catch that.
You have a kingdom purpose andmy kingdom purpose was exorcism.
Listen, guys, I lived thissurvival mode okay, Grinding
through hours of work.
People would have said I was aworkaholic and I would agree
with them.
I would work 60-hourweeksaholic and I would agree
(43:34):
with them.
I would work 60-hour weeks, getovertime and then operate a
software company on a site, justgrinding and grinding, making
all the money I could make andpaying bills, and not doing a
single thing for the kingdom ofGod other than tithing to a
local church and going to aSunday morning message.
And I did do teaching in thechurch.
(43:56):
I was a little bit plugged in.
I was a deacon at my churchthis is when I was married but
in general I was in survivalmode, self-absorbed mode.
God wasn't Lord of my life, Iwas just a Christian.
So let me say that again JesusChrist wasn't Lord of my life, I
was just a Christian.
(44:17):
So let me say that again JesusChrist wasn't Lord of my life, I
was just a Christian.
And when I went for exorcism,inner healing and therapy, I
went through exorcism and innerhealing with Dr Larson for 14
months.
Then I went to therapy.
I started when I was 48 yearsold.
It doesn't have to take thatlong for people, but in my
(44:39):
particular case it did.
It was during this time oftransformation of, as Leah says,
finding your real self, thatauthentic self, and the defense
mechanisms and everything arestripped away and inner healing
happens to the traumatized parts.
Now you begin to catch arealistic expectation of what
(45:04):
God wants to do, and this iswhat happened with me, and so
exorcism became it.
I was very passionate about it,as you guys know, and so this
is how I walked into it, byapplying what Leah and I are
sharing with you guys, Becauseyou can have the best quote
(45:24):
unquote Christian ministry inthe world If you're not healed
and are broken, who's to say?
Just because you're gifted as aminister, that's what you're
supposed to be doing.
You know, when you get beyondsurvival, well, I don't need
none of this inner healing stuff.
I'm fine, I'm a man, I drive abig truck.
I don't need this inner healing.
(45:46):
I'm fine, I pay the bills, Ihunt and bring home squirrels
and there are guys listening tome right now, and that's you,
you know.
And so this touchy-feely, youknow inner healing and
(46:06):
visualization, and I don't needany of this.
I'm fine.
One thing you're not reallygetting my friend is into your
destiny.
It's like you're walking with alimp.
As a Christian, You're on acrutch.
Survival mode is using a crutch.
So when you humble yourself andthat's what it really boils
(46:28):
down to we have to humbleourselves as children of God and
admit that we're broken, admitthat we're damaged, admit that
we've been through trauma and weneed help.
Second to that is I want helpand no matter the cost, I will
change.
I will get the help so that Ican understand what my destiny
(46:51):
is.
Understand what my destiny is.
I won certificates during mycareer for being a superstar.
I had programmingcertifications and irrelevant to
me.
I can remember just gettingthis plaque at work and just
coming home and putting my deskand shut the desk because I
(47:13):
could care less right, Because Iwas in survival mode.
It didn't matter to me, I wasjust surviving, not even feeling
any of this stuff.
But when I had the healing andmy energies, my intellect, my
time, my finances and myresources were directed, instead
(47:36):
of on me, to the destiny thatGod had created for me exorcism,
and there's more than that.
He's actually got me writing abook now.
I've done a lot of writing in mycareer and throughout my life
and all kinds of stuff and,speaking of which, I am going to
start writing more articles onmy blog.
(47:56):
I call it Frontline, so it'sFrontline articles.
I talk all about spiritualwarfare and dealing with your
mind and all kinds ofencouraging, inspiring things
and challenging things.
I'm going to be getting back tothat, but this is just another
thing that the Lord said.
I want you to do this and I'mlike, absolutely, and it's been
challenging, it's been tough,man, when you sit down and write
(48:18):
a book.
But my point isn't the book, mypoint isn't exorcism.
My point is that I went throughthis process of inner healing
and deliverance and I'm walkingthe destiny and nothing ever in
my life has ever matched it.
Nothing, no amount of rewards,no amount of money, not my
(48:40):
marriage that ended in divorceafter 15 years, not even the
marriage, not the houses, notthe swimming pools, not the
children.
That whole American dream, forme personally, was a farce man,
because it left me empty andvacant and void.
And now that I'm walking in mydestiny and helping people from
(49:03):
around the world, they get ahold of me and I can
compassionately, through JesusChrist, serve them.
Nothing beats this.
You have to find your destinyand purpose in Jesus Christ.
Serve them.
Nothing beats this.
You have to find your destinyand purpose in Jesus Christ.
My friend, Are you bored in life?
Do you feel stuck?
Is it mundane, like you're justdoing the same thing over and
(49:24):
over A robot.
There's no emotion, there's noattachment, there's no
connection.
It's because you're not walkingin your true destiny.
It doesn't matter if you're inChristian ministry, If you're
still just going through themotions and numb, you're not
walking in your true destiny.
It doesn't matter if you're inChristian ministry, If you're
still just going through themotions and numb, you're not
walking in your destiny.
(49:46):
And this is an opportunity foryou to walk in your destiny by
going through inner healing andexorcism and cleaning up and
just simply humbling yourselfand saying, hey, man, I'm not
all that.
I got the nice house, I got thecars, I got the kids, but I'm
broken.
That's key.
Admitting that, hey, I'm awreck, I need help, I'm not all
that.
And then coming and get theexorcism, the inner healing,
(50:10):
working with Leah inner healingcoach, get all healed up, get
them demons out, and then, God,what's the destiny?
What do you want me to do?
And then that is where you'regoing to find authentic self and
authentic joy and fulfillmentin life.
Everything else is just fleeting, but there's this sustaining,
deep sense of amazinggratification and fulfillment
(50:35):
when you're walking in what Godhas really called you to do, Not
to say that there's notchallenges and stress and all
that because there is, butthere's this solid anchor of an
understanding that this is whereI'm supposed to be.
This is what I'm supposed to bedoing.
I am actually in the will ofGod.
(50:56):
Okay, I'm done preaching.
I got real excited there.
I hope someone got inspired.
But, Leah, I want to come overto you as I'm sharing this.
What are some thoughts that aregoing through your head with
this whole destiny purpose?
Finding your real selffulfillment in life and et
cetera?
Speaker 2 (51:20):
Justin, I don't know if I could say it any better
than you just said it there.
I was listening to you goingyes, that is it, yes.
So I don't even want to followthat up with a comment.
I think you nailed it.
That's exactly how I see it too.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Awesome, awesome, I think.
With that said, I think we'veshared enough here for you guys.
I'm so excited that I couldhave somebody come on and really
explain inner healing in apractical nuts and bolts way, so
you can really understand whatis this, how does it work.
And so, leah, I want to thankyou so much for coming on to the
(51:53):
podcast and sharing with ourlisteners everything that you
know you did, because it'samazing and it's so helpful.
And I know right now that thereare people listening they're
like, oh my gosh, I need thisNow.
This makes sense.
Justin's been talking aboutinner healing and all this, but
(52:15):
now that Leah's explained this,this really makes sense.
So, leah, I want to come back toyou, and first there's two
things, because I'm going toclose out here, but two things
I'd like.
Number one I'd like for you toencourage the listeners as to
why they should go for innerhealing and also for exorcism,
(52:41):
and after you've shared yourthoughts on that, I'd like for
you to go ahead and give yourcontact information so the
listeners, anyone interested,can get a hold of you to maybe
start their inner healingjourney.
I highly recommend it.
Leah is very skilled, she has alot of talent and just highly
recommend her.
So go ahead, leah, if you cantalk with the people about why
(53:02):
should they consider innerhealing and why should they
consider exorcism, so that itcan be whole, and then share
your contact information with us, and I'll put this in the show
notes too, as well, and on theblog post on my website I'll add
a link to your website as well.
So remember that, guys.
On my website, justindcom, youcan always find all of these
(53:25):
podcasts and listen to themthere, and sometimes I got a
picture of the person.
And then, and while you'rethere on my homepage, scroll
clear to the bottom and sign upfor my newsletter, because I'm
going to be writing and sendingit out.
You're going to like it.
It's going to be inspiring,challenging, encouraging.
Leah, let's hear what you haveto say to the listeners.
Speaker 2 (53:45):
Thank you, justin.
When my clients come to me,they tell me they're burnt out.
They tell me they're exhausted,they're living in cycles of
anxiety and depression.
They don't know why they feelso sad or hopeless.
And when we embark on an innerhealing journey, like I said
before, they tell me this waseasier than I thought it was
going to be and it was fasterthan I thought it was going to
(54:07):
be, and I love watching themcome alive through the process.
The spark of life comes backinto their eyes, their curiosity
begins to unfold, their passionfor loving others and making
the world a better place startsto explode.
It's just a completetransformation.
So if you're not sure if innerhealing will be helpful to you,
(54:30):
give me a call and we'll talkabout it and I'll let you know
if I think you'd be a good fitfor inner healing and the people
that I about it.
And I'll let you know if Ithink you'd be a good fit for
inner healing and the work thatthe people that I work with, and
I'll let you know if I think itwould be helpful or not.
So people can get in contactwith me through my website,
hiddengemsconsultingllccom, andright now there's pre-enrollment
for the 12-week inner healingcoaching group.
(54:52):
So that is going to be asupported 12-week journey.
If you are ready to sign up andyou think, yes, inner healing
is for me, go hop over to mywebsite, check out that program
and, like I said, reach out tome with questions or comments.
I reply to every single one.
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