July 15, 2025 • 55 mins
What drives a man to dedicate his life to casting out demons in more than 100 nations?
In this exclusive episode of The Blind Exorcist, I sit down with my mentor, Dr. Bob Larson—the most recognized Protestant exorcist in the world—and his wife, Laura, for a rare conversation that goes far beyond deliverance. Together, they reveal the personal journey behind a ministry that has transformed thousands of lives through the power of Jesus Christ.
You'll hear how Dr. Larson went from farm life in Nebraska to performing over 50,000 documented exorcisms across the globe. He shares how a single encounter with a demon-possessed teenager launched a lifetime of deliverance ministry, and how his national radio show Talk Back with Bob Larson brought deliverance ministry into the public spotlight. Laura offers insight into what it was like to raise a family while traveling the world and supporting one of the most demanding callings in Christian ministry.
From teenage manifestations speaking in British accents to confronting generational curses across continents, their story demonstrates how God uses ordinary people for extraordinary spiritual warfare.
📌 What you'll learn in this episode:
✅ How a break from university led Dr. Larson to witness demon possession in Southeast Asia and India
✅ How Dr. Larson's first demon encounter in America changed his path forever
✅ What led to the launch of Talk Back with Bob Larson on 200+ radio stations
✅ Laura's reflections on marriage, family life, and supporting a global deliverance ministry with frequent international travel
✅ How their children witnessed deliverance sessions while growing up in ministry
✅ A biblical foundation for deliverance and why it still matters today
This episode highlights the professional legacy and personal convictions of two people who've spent their lives helping others find freedom in Jesus Christ through deliverance ministry.
🔥 Essential listening for ministry leaders, anyone facing generational curses, or those questioning their calling to spiritual warfare. Bob and Laura's journey offers both clarity and encouragement for stepping boldly into God's purposes for your life.
🔗 Learn more about Dr. Bob Larson’s ministry:
Website: www.boblarson.org
YouTube Channel: youtube.com/@boblarsonexorcism
Streaming Platform (full archive of exorcism videos, teachings, and history): xdunamis.org
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Blind Exorcist.
This is Justin D, your host.
We are up to episode 33.
Thank you so much for tuning inyet again.
I always start with thatbecause I'm very appreciative of
each of you coming back andlistening and if you are new
(00:23):
here, welcome.
I know you're going to enjoytoday's episode.
Those of you who have beenlistening for a while understand
that I mention the name Dr BobLarson quite often on here,
because this is the exorcist whotrained me, mentored me and
certified me to become anexorcist under his ministry, and
(00:48):
today I've had the wonderfulopportunity of finally getting
to sit down and interview Dr BobLarson.
And not only Dr Larson, but hiswife, laura, joins us during
this interview.
I decided to take a differentapproach, interviewing Dr Larson
(01:14):
and Laura.
Most people who interview DrLarson want to know about demons
and what's the most wicked,terrifying, paranormal thing
you've witnessed as an exorcist,or what is the most common
demon you find that youencounter.
And yada, yada, yada.
I know all of that because hetrained me.
(01:36):
I'm not interested in that.
I want to know who is BobLarson.
I want to know this on apersonal level and I also want
(02:00):
to know who is Laura.
So today in this interviewexample, did you know that Dr
Larson was raised on a farm inNebraska?
Did you know that Dr Larsonplays a Gibson Les Paul?
(02:22):
Oh, here's another one.
Did you know that his wife,laura, was studying to become an
attorney?
Friends, these are the sorts ofthings I'm interested in.
I want to get to know the manBob Larson not necessarily the
exorcist Now I do touch on hisexorcism ministry because it's
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part of his life, so that'sdefinitely included in here and
for those of you who do not knowwho Dr Bob Larson is, this is
going to be a great introduction.
But in short, he is the numberone Protestant exorcist in the
Protestant community.
He's performed over 50,000exorcisms in over 100 countries.
(03:09):
He's written a lot of books.
Just Google Bob LarsonDeliverance or go to Amazon Bob
Larson and you'll see all thebooks that he's written.
And he trains a lot of peopleto become exorcists in the
Protestant community to helppeople get free and emotionally
(03:31):
heal their lives throughdeliverance ministry.
So this is who he is.
By the way, I am going toinclude links to Dr Larson's
website, youtube channel and hisex-Dunamis streaming platform
in the show notes.
So make sure to check out theshow notes.
(03:52):
You'll see the links there.
Once again, share this out withyour family, friends and on
your social media platform.
Dr Larson has been around forsuch a long time and there are
many people who have followedhim through the years and I
think they will reallyappreciate seeing this kind of
personal side to Dr Larson andLaura, and they're really going
(04:16):
to enjoy it.
So thank you very much forsharing this out and getting
this out to as many people asyou can.
So, without any further ado,I'd love to introduce you to not
only the exorcist who God usedto free me from my demons, not
(04:37):
only the exorcist, but I'd liketo introduce you to my friend,
someone who knows the deepestsecrets of my life and showed me
the compassion and mercy ofJesus Christ as he led me
(04:59):
through my healing journey.
Let's dive in here and get toknow Dr Bob Larson and Laura
Larson.
Dr Bob Larson and Laura Larsonwelcome to the Blind Exorcist.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Thank you very much.
We are so excited to be herewith you, Justin.
This is a great opportunity toshare.
Thank you for inviting us.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I'm very excited.
I've been trying for a while toget you guys on here and
everyone is excited to hear this, so I'm going to step through
really your legacy, dr Larson.
So let's go ahead and just divein here and start from the
beginning.
You were born in Nebraska, youwere born on a farm and I'd like
(05:51):
to flush that out a little bit.
I really appreciate farming.
I don't farm as a blind man,but my father was raised on a
farm farm as a blind man, but myfather was raised on a farm, so
I loved hearing about his lifeon that farm.
Now to you, that might be not abig deal, but for us in the
(06:14):
audience, very interesting.
So can you share with us?
You're on a farm in Nebraska.
What was this like for you?
Was it?
Hey, you had to get up and dochores before school, go off to
school.
What were your chores?
What was this like for you,being raised on a farm in
Nebraska First?
Speaker 3 (06:34):
of all minor correction.
I was born in NorthernCalifornia where my dad was
pastoring a church.
He had a heart attack and inthose days it was very difficult
to treat heart disease, so theydidn't do much but give them
some nitroglycerin and tell themto be careful and breathe lots
(06:57):
of oxygen.
He could not continue therigors of pastoring.
My mother was raised on a farmin Nebraska, and so he and my
mother, my older sister and me Iwas six months old headed back
to Nebraska to thefather-in-law's farm, and that
is then where I spent most of mygrowing up years.
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So what did I do?
I did what you do on farms.
I tried to avoid being attackedby the chickens and there was
one rooster who gave me a lot oftrouble.
My dad said you just go up andkick him with your cowboy boot
and he won't come after youagain.
And sure enough it worked.
But I collected the eggs.
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When I got a little older I didsome belking.
I had horses.
We had sheep, which my daddidn't like Dumbest animals, he
said, he ever saw.
And then we had pigs and daddidn't like pork and he said
they're just too dirty so Idon't want them either.
So we just concentrated oncattle and corn and that was it.
(08:04):
And we didn't have television inthe beginning and they've got a
little black and white, and wedidn't have much contact with
the outside world, except what Ilearned in school, and I was
very active in athletics, allsports, and then, by God's grace
, graduated valedictorian in myclass and headed off to college.
(08:24):
And then, by God's grace,graduated valedictorian of my
class and headed off to college.
But it was a pretty how do Isay that?
A confining existence.
But it did have a couple ofrole models, dick Cavett and
Johnny Carson.
They both were from Nebraskaand they made it.
So I thought maybe I can too.
So I headed off to college andit was then that I found the
Lord.
And then that's when thingsreally turned around.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
In your time, when you graduated high school,
manufacturing and farming wereas important as university.
What made you decide to go touniversity rather than pursuing
manufacturing or continuing infarming?
(09:08):
Well, the answer to that ispretty simple.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
On my mother's side, two of her brothers were doctors
and then from them two of theirsons became doctors.
So I was expected to carry onthe family tradition and go into
medicine and that was the plan.
So I enrolled as pre-med and Iwas on my way to going on to
(09:35):
medical school.
So I was very anxious to getoff the farm and if you've ever
been to Western Nebraska and ifyou've ever been to western
Nebraska, it's pretty barren andit's pretty boring.
Good people, but that's justthe way it is.
I just determined I was goingto be a doctor and I wanted to
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get out of the prairies.
Although I went to theUniversity of Nebraska, which is
not really in the prairie, it'sgetting down by the Missouri
River Changed my life to get meoff the farm and that was pretty
ambitious in those days,because I think every single
classmate that I knew ended upon the family farm continuing
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the tradition.
But I was about to break that.
But I didn't know how far I wasto break that, because then I
became a Christian and as aresult of that I began to
rethink what I was doing.
But in the meantime rock androll had come along and I
started a band and I was playingin the bars every weekend, so
(10:39):
that was a lot more excitingthan picking up a chicken egg.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
This is perfect, because that was my next
question, because I'm aguitarist as well.
I know you are a guitarist.
How did you learn guitar?
Did you learn this while youwere on the farm?
Did somebody teach you on thefarm or did you learn this
during university?
And also, what bands were youplaying back then?
(11:07):
Are you talking like theBeatles?
Or had Black Sabbath come outyet like in this rock band?
So if you can just give us alittle bit of history about that
, that'd be great.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
First of all, I got a three-quarter, as they called
it a three-quarter Gibson, itmeans it wasn't full size and I
was like about 10 or 11 yearsold.
My folks picked it up in astore and I just started
strumming, started teachingmyself, and then they got what
was to become the classic.
(11:37):
But nobody knew it then unlessPaul Gibson.
Now I was really on my way andI just taught myself to play,
sit down and listen to 45s andtry to mimic what I heard them
doing the best that I could.
And my ambitions then was to gettogether with a band and we're
talking early 60s, late 50s,rock and roll, chuck Berry, rock
(12:02):
and roll, chuck Berry, carlPerkins, elvis Presley, that
kind of an era.
But it was a really big thingthen to go out and form a band.
Garage bands today are amillion a dozen, but back then
people just didn't do that.
You're like what?
You're going to form a band?
(12:23):
But I did.
And then we started playingsmall venues 500 to 1,000 people
dancing, doing whatever.
Then I started playing in clubsand I was too young to drink I
didn't drink anyway, so I didn'tsmoke any weed so I would play
in the band, we'd take a breakand I'd just go outside and get
some fresh air.
But again became a Christianand then that sort of upended
(12:48):
all of that and I decided Ireally think I might be called
to the ministry.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
So you're in university, you become a
Christian.
Now your father was a ministeryou had mentioned and he had a
bad heart condition.
You had moved to Nebraska onthe farm, so you were kind of
raised around Christianity.
So it sounds like this was yourown personal encounter with
(13:15):
Christ where you actuallyyourself decided to become a
Christian.
How did that unfold?
Speaker 3 (13:22):
First of all because my father was severely affected.
He was basically bedridden formany years, tethered to an
oxygen tank just to keep himalive.
So there wasn't any going tochurch and I just got lost in
the shuffle of all of that.
And they prayed, they wouldtalk about the Lord, they had
(13:44):
Christian friends who would comeover to the house and so on,
but none of it really interestedme at all.
I just didn't fit into what Iwanted to do with my life.
I wasn't a bad kid, I wasn't ina state of rebellion, I wasn't
doing any drugs, I wasn'tdrinking, I was an athlete and a
scholar.
(14:05):
That was my intention.
But I began to realize thatthere were going to have to be
some changes in my life and Imight not be able to continue on
in medicine.
I attended a service where therewas a man giving his testimony
of having found the Lord, an oldcountry and western entertainer
(14:25):
who had been famous.
I didn't even know who he wasand his name was T Texas Tyler
and he was famous for back inthe 50s, of writing a song
called the Deck of Cards, whichis actuallya Christian takeoff
on all the different suits andthe cards, and I was very
impressed with his testimony.
(14:46):
I hated his music but I wasreally impressed with his
testimony and I went forward atan altar call and I didn't
really know what I was doing,didn't understand it, but I did
know it was time to give my lifeto the lord.
I just intuitively knew that.
I think was part of myspiritual heritage, because my
father had been in ministry andmy great-grandfather on his side
(15:09):
was a Lutheran priest whoimmigrated from Norway.
So this was in my DNA, if youwant to put it that way.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Very interesting.
Father's ancestry was fromNorway and I remember you'd
mentioned to me your mother wasGerman.
Was she born here in the States, or did she migrate here from
Germany?
Speaker 3 (15:30):
She came to the United States as a small child.
Her parents were Russian Jewsand they were escaping the
Bolsheviks and communism andthey made their way across
Germany to America and EllisIsland and they made their way
(15:50):
across Germany to America andEllis Island and so she really
only knew the United States.
So it was quite a mixture.
So my grandmother on my dad'sside was Irish, I had Norwegian,
and you know that'll get you alot of demons.
And then of course, the RussianJew on the other side.
They spoke German, though theywere in the part of Russia that
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was in dispute at that timebetween Germany and Russia.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Very interesting, very interesting.
So back to university.
Here you are.
You have this Christianexperience, you're in this rock
band, you're like I have to stopthis.
And at a certain point in timeyou go on break at university
and you decide to buy a ticketto fly all around the world and
(16:44):
during this adventure you cameacross a lot of demonic
ceremonies and cultures.
Can you tell us a little bitabout this whole experience and
what you've seen and theimpression it had on you as a
young man?
Speaker 3 (17:04):
As a young man, understand, I had never been
outside of the United States andonly had been out of the state
of Nebraska for a yearly trip toCalifornia where we had some
relatives, never really beeneast of the Mississippi.
(17:26):
But I just thought I want to gosee the world.
So I bought a round-the-worldticket and that ticket would
allow me to have as many stopsas I wanted, as long as I didn't
backtrack.
So I took off, I went to Europe, I went to Africa, asia, india,
southeast Asia, japan.
I really went almost everywhere.
I really went almost everywhere.
(17:48):
And it was, of course, in Indiamainly, but also in Southeast
Asia, that I encountereddemonism and I really didn't
know what it was.
And I had this interest.
People would be talking aboutsome ceremony taking place and
I'd go see it.
But in these ceremonies I wouldsee people go into seizures and
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writhe on the ground and screamand whatever, and they all said
that they were becomingpossessed by their gods.
And I thought sounds like whatthe Bible says about demons,
about these demons.
And I didn't have an unhealthycuriosity, I was just fascinated
by the phenomenon and I thoughtI'm just going to stick this in
the back of my mind and maybeI'll run into it again someday
(18:34):
in America, and I did.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
So you come back to America and you, I believe, you
stopped university and youstarted pursuing like a ministry
, a Christian ministry.
You were doing motivationalspeaking.
You were starting Christianmusic.
In fact, believe it or not,literally last year on YouTube I
(19:05):
found it just came up in myfeed, right, because I watch
your exorcism videos.
On my feed comes Bob Larson andit's a song, literally recorded
, that you did a Christiancontemporary song for its time
and I'm listening to this and Iwas like no, I said this is not
(19:31):
Dr Len, he's an exorcist.
And so, anyhow, you're out there, just to let you know, it was a
playlist of a user who had allkinds of artists from that time
and you were in the list.
So I just mentioned that forsome humor and you'll have to
try to find that song.
(19:51):
I don't remember the name, butanyhow, you are traveling around
, you're doing motivationalChristian motivational speaking,
you're singing and I believeduring this time or thereabouts
you encountered your first demonpossession with a young girl.
Can you tell us a little bitabout your singing, your
(20:13):
Christian speaking, and then thefirst encounter you had here in
America, where a teenagerapproached you and said I have
sex with the devil.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
So what happened is I got back and I got involved in
motivational speaking and atthat point in time there was no
social media.
A lot of people got theirinformation from school assembly
programs where they would havevarious speakers come and talk
about different kinds of topics,and so I heard about some
(20:51):
agencies that would book peoplelike that.
I thought that's interesting,I'd like to try that out.
So I worked up this lecture onrock and roll and all the drug
scene and so on that was goingon with all the hair bands et
cetera, and so I would come outof the stage, play my guitar and
then speak, and it was justbasically sort of an anti-drug
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lecture and I would speakbriefly about my testimony.
So I've traveled.
I speak at about 500 schools ayear, but when I would come into
a town I would try to find outin advance through networking If
there was a church there thatwould let me come and share my
testimony.
So I would speak in the schooland then speak in a church that
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night, and then I'd invite allthe kids in the school and I
might have 500 or 1,000 kids I'mspeaking to and then 20 or 30
of them would show up at nightto hear my testimony.
So that was my way ofevangelizing.
And then I continued to do that.
And as I was doing that, then Ihad this episode where this
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young woman walked up to me.
I never heard of anything likehaving sex with a demon, so I
just abruptly said to her let metalk to the demon you have sex
with.
And then she manifested thisspirit, started speaking out of
her body.
That was my first real personalintroduction to the world of
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the demonic.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
I think what's interesting about this situation
.
I'd like you to explain this alittle bit with this young woman
At this time there was a playout, or it might even have been
a movie.
This Superstar Jesus, whateverit was called You'll remember
(22:41):
the title and the spirit thatspoke out of her spoke in a
British clip dialect.
Can you tell us a little bitabout that?
That?
Speaker 3 (22:45):
was pretty shocking because this was a 15-year-old
girl from a rural community inthe middle of Missouri.
And suddenly this voice isspeaking in this very distinct
British accent and it's atotally different voice and it's
as demons.
(23:06):
Demons do.
They say all sorts of crazystuff.
But at one point this demonlooked at me and at that time
jesus christ superstar had justcome out as a, as a, as an album
, and the live production hadn'tcome out yet and it was taking
the country by storm.
And the demon looks at me andhe says I helped to inspire that
(23:30):
in this British accent.
And, of course, rice and Weber,who were the writers and the
composers, they were British andI thought that was pretty
interesting.
Okay, that doesn't surprise mea bit.
That doesn't surprise me a bit.
You can't have a much moredramatic introduction to your
(23:52):
first demon.
So to me it was just soauthentic, so real.
There was no getting away fromit.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
So this young girl, if memory serves me.
So you got this 15-year-oldrural young girl, demon manifest
, speaking British, saying heinspired and helped write this
play.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
I believe didn't it quote verbatim some of the
verses out of the songs thatthis young girl would have never
heard.
Oh yeah, this thing was quotingthe lyrics, just rattling them
right off, just rattling themright off, and I'm like this
girl doesn't know this.
This thing has just come outand, you know, I don't even know
if it had reached the backwoodsof Missouri yet.
(24:40):
Yes, so I mean this wasstunning.
I mean there was no way aroundthis, this was supernatural, it
was very, very clear and it gotmy attention and I thought, okay
, I need to know more about this.
So I started to study what Icould find, and there wasn't
much that you could find inthose days of anybody talking
(25:00):
about this stuff you could find,which a lot of the times that
brings us back to the Catholiccamp because they had been doing
exorcisms forever.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Did you study much like historical works around
exorcism and demonology?
Speaker 3 (25:20):
I really didn't.
There was one book by DallasTheological Seminary, by Dallas
Theological Seminary, aralunker,called Demons in the World
Today, and I found this book.
It was really the only thingthat I could find and so I read
that.
And then there was no internetto do research, so I had to try
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to find other secular booksabout the topic, but I didn't
know that anybody else did thisother than the Catholics.
I didn't know that there wasany such thing as a deliverance
ministry.
I didn't understand any of it.
But what I did do was, in theselittle lectures that I was
(26:03):
giving in the evenings in thechurches, I would talk about
this, and then it started tohappen all over again.
I would have people walk up tome and demons would speak out of
it.
So I thought I don't know whatthis is, but it's not happening
to anybody else that I know of,and so I would take on these
(26:26):
demons the best that I knew how,and it was a pretty fledgling
start, but that's how God usedit to nudge me in that direction
.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
So I'm going to fast forward here quite a bit.
I know that probably over theyears before this started, you
were really being taughthands-on and working through a
lot of figuring this out.
How do you expel these thingsgenerational curses, these sorts
of things but eventually youstart a national talk radio show
(26:59):
called Talk Back with BobLarson.
Can you explain to us how didthis come to be?
You went from a farm inNebraska to touring the world
demons manifesting that areBritish and working with these
young people, and then fastforward a few years and now here
(27:21):
you are on national radio talkback with Bob Larson, talking
about demon possession, talkingto witches, also working with
death metal bands like Deicideand Morbid Angel, and you even
go on tour with Slayer to see ifthey were actually authentic
(27:47):
Satanists, which they turned outnot to be.
They were just posing to makemoney off of it.
But this is huge.
You go from working withteenagers to this era of what I
would call your prime.
This is a national radio show.
You're being interviewed onOprah, dr Phil, all of these
(28:09):
things.
Hollywood is contacting you tohelp talk about demon possession
in movies, and so there's a lotgoing on here.
But at the root of it.
Talk Back with Bob Larson iswhat I think really launched you
.
How did this start?
Speaker 3 (28:30):
It started because I got the idea, if I'm going to
give my testimony and then gospeak in these churches, there
are Christian radio stations.
And so I thought why don't Itry to talk these Christian
radio stations to giving me aday or two for a few hours to
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talk about my experiences andpreach the gospel.
And so I was an anomaly backthen because of all the things
we've described.
So I got a series of radiostations, so I started adding to
my schedule these local radiostations where I would go on and
I'd say give me a couple ofhours every couple of days and
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let's just take some phone callsand see what happens.
And to their shock it was a bighit, so to speak, because
people were fascinated by this.
Nobody did anything like that.
And one day a radio stationowner said to me I don't
understand why you're travelingall over the country and doing
this.
There's this new thing calledsatellite radio.
(29:39):
Why don't you just stay in oneplace and then feed that to all
the rest of the radio stations?
Back then the only guy doinganything live by satellite or
radio was Larry King, and Ithought they eventually called
me the Christian Larry Kingbecause I was the first guy to
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go do this.
And so I put together aninvestment group.
I said, look, I need some help.
An investment group that said,look, I need some help.
I want to go on Christian radiostations and they don't have a
satellite dish.
And back then those dishes werelike 10 feet wide, not these
(30:23):
little tiny ones like today Hugethings.
So if I can buy a bunch ofthese and I can give them to a
Christian station in exchangefor daily airtime to do a talk
show, would you be willing to goalong with that?
So I found a group of peoplewho helped me to do that.
So we went out and bought acouple hundred satellite dishes,
loaded up on semi-trucks andstarted sending them all over
the country.
And they'd pull up at aChristian station and say, how
(30:45):
would you like to have one ofthese?
And they would all say, what isit?
You can get live satelliteprograms, live program.
Because everything was beingsent around on little cassette
tapes.
They said what?
Yeah, let us just put this inyour backyard.
And there's this guy, bobLarson, if you just give him an
hour a day, he'll pay for thisand put it in your backyard.
(31:06):
It was a deal they couldn'trefuse, and so we built this
network, ended up with 200stations, just one station at a
time, pouring concrete andsticking a big 20-foot, 15,
20-foot dish in their backyard,and they were really excited
about it.
So it was just a God thing,that little entrepreneurialism,
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the work of the Holy Spirit, andthere you have it, and so it
took off.
What happened, though?
The key was, I'd only beendoing it a couple of months and
a Satanist calls me on the radioand he wants to take me on, and
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so I shared the gospel with him.
Him and I convince him.
Live on the air to give hisheart to Jesus, and he does.
Well, what made it interestingwas that I, at that time, was
originating my show from Denver,and this guy was actually from
Denver.
So I said come down to mystudio and bring all your
satanic stuff.
So he comes down to the studioand he brings all his satanic
paraphernalia books, and we goout in the backyard and we burn
all this stuff and I report onit.
That lit a fire in Christianradio.
(32:26):
Nobody's ever done this before,nobody's even thought of this.
Who would even do this?
And God used thatadventurousness, spiritual
prodding of the Lord.
I see it all now as God puttingthings together to get me where
we are today.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
And I could go on about all of the guests you've
had.
There's just so much here.
And for those of you listening,dr Larson has a website called
Ex Dunamis which has all of hisTalk Back with Bob Larson radio
show episodes.
So if you would like to golisten to those, you can.
(33:04):
You can just go to boblarsonorgand there's a link to
ex-Dunamis right there that youcan click on and sign up and
dive in.
So for the sake of time I'mgoing to skip over this.
But I mean he was constantlydealing with demon possession
live on the air.
Demons were manifesting,satanists were calling, there
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were people in covens wantingout.
He would help people get out ofcovens and bring them to safety
.
He would work, like I saidpreviously, with these death
metal bands would call likeDeicide, morbid Angel.
These were back in the 90swhere these guys were Satanists
who were into real extreme metal.
He got involved with Christianmetal bands Deliverance,
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tourniquet, mortification andothers.
He actually did a concert withTourniquet where he played
guitar with Tourniquet.
I wish I could find a clip ofthat.
That'd be neat, but anyhow,there's a lot there to check out
.
Now, laura, finally we get toyou.
I know during this time, atsome point, you and Dr Larson
(34:10):
meet.
How did you and Dr Larson meetfor the first time?
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Well, it was an interesting meeting.
I was interviewing for aposition at Bob Larson Ministry,
which at that time was based inDenver, Colorado.
He had a huge office and a hugebuilding at that time was based
in Denver, Colorado.
He had a huge office and a hugebuilding at that time, and so
we had a staff of oh my goodness, maybe 30.
So I was being interviewed fora position as a special events
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coordinator.
I was taking a break before lawschool so I thought, well, I'll
work in a ministry.
I think that's a good thing todo, and so little did I know it
would change my life.
But so I was walking in to beinterviewed by somebody else his
vice president and he walkedout of the elevator and he saw
(35:07):
me and he jumped and it was asurprise because I wasn't sure
who he was.
And then I just really think atthat time it was the Holy
Spirit.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
God knew what our destiny was for us and he let us
know pretty quickly I was hiredand then we worked together for
(35:45):
a little bit and then it wasjust evident to us the Lord
really revealed to us that wewere the pair and it just not
every day someone says I want tomarry an exorcist.
So how was your family withthis whole idea of because this
is extreme right Exorcism is avery extreme ministry and most
people struggle with that,especially in America.
How was your family mom, dad,siblings with the idea of you
(36:09):
marrying an exorcist?
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Well, my mother was in ministry at that time.
She was an executive assistantat a ministry and she loved the
work of Bob Larson Ministries.
So really when I met Bob he had, I think, 200 stations, he had
a daily radio program and therewas a lot of things he was
(36:32):
talking about.
He did some of the exorcisms onair but it was a portion of
what he did and so once we gotmarried we would do deliverances
and exorcisms after hours, sohe would do all these radio
shows and then after hours hewould do the exorcisms.
(36:53):
So it was very grueling thatschedule.
So anyway, excuse me, I got alittle bit off track there, but
so that was.
Of course he was more of aradio.
Christian radio talk show hostis really how I saw him at the
time.
So my family, Even with thatdistinction, my family, learned
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a bit about him.
In the beginning they were notsure and again, my mother loved
him immediately because ofcourse she was in ministry and
the Holy Spirit was influencingher, but she loved him.
So everyone else grew to loveBob, loved him.
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So everyone else grew to loveBob.
But sometimes, early onespecially, they didn't
understand that aspect of theministry.
And you know, really Bob hasstood the test of time with the
anointing and calling and thatspeaks for itself.
They've grown to love Bob andthey've seen the fruit of
thousands of people helped,lives restored and people living
for Christ, and so that issomething that is
(38:03):
extraordinarily compelling, thatto me it really speaks for
itself and that part of theministry and that's easy to
understand.
But, as you know, it can be achallenge and people don't
really understand.
They think what is this?
This is scary stuff, Because Ithink the movie the Exorcist
(38:23):
really threw people off fromwhat true deliverance, true
exorcism is.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
I think that's the reality for most people who are
exorcists, especially in familyor even in Christian contexts
that we look at as strange,because in America this is very
strange, but go to Nigeria, oh,they'd be excited.
Come on in, help us.
I have a friend in Singapore Imention this often on the show
here that you know over therewhen someone gives their life to
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Jesus Christ in her church, thefirst thing they do literally
is put them through an exorcismbecause culturally they
understand all of the religiousinfluence and ancestor worship
and Taoism and just differentthings that are in the culture
(39:21):
In America, though verychallenging, laura.
So you and Dr Larson, you guysstart having children and you
guys are touring around.
You guys are in Australia, Iknow Ukraine, there's been a lot
of other countries, dr Larson,you've been to and you're
bringing this global now aroundthe world and performing these
(39:44):
live exorcisms and churches anddifferent venues.
Laura, what was that like withchildren and traveling around
the world?
What challenges did you find?
I know there's also reward indoing this, but that had to be
tough because I got four kidsmyself and so I know it can be,
(40:09):
especially with traveling.
How did that unfold for you?
Speaker 2 (40:13):
That's a great question, justin, unfold for you
.
That's a great question, justin, and it was tremendous being
able to travel with Bob.
We just decided that we neededto keep our family together and,
even though traveling withyoung children is very difficult
, it's something that wecommitted to and I'll just give
(40:34):
you a little snapshot as to oneof the challenges.
We went to South Africa and ouryoungest was crawling.
She had just started crawlingand we were in a hotel room that
was provided by the church.
I laid down sheets everywhereso that she could crawl and at
(40:59):
one point the housekeepingservice came in and they were
tidying up and I just happenedto look at the time that the
person who was cleaning put themop to clean the mop out, put it
into the toilet, so kind of gotthe water and squeegeed the
(41:19):
water out in the toilet and Ijust thought, oh my goodness, oh
my goodness, that really threwme for a loop.
And so it was just there weremany different standards when it
came to cleanliness and itmight've just been that hotel,
but it was.
It was really surprising.
And then, another time, samehotel, I, bob, went to meet the
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pastor and it was wonderful, andhe went off for a little while.
So I thought I'm going to takethe children just across the
street with a carriage and all.
I'm going to take them acrossthe street because the ocean is
just right across the street.
I'm so excited.
So I start walking in the lobbyand and the woman at the front
(42:04):
desk said, excuse me, ma'am, mayI ask where you're going?
And I thought it was such astrange question.
And I said, yes, I'm just goingto walk right across the street
, just really quickly show thekids the ocean.
And she said I would notrecommend you did that without a
few men with you.
And I was just again verysurprised.
These were all these differentchallenges and experiences.
(42:27):
And other times we were able tomeet leaders in the government.
We were able to meet so manyamazing people from the
different countries and culturesand they would welcome us in
and introduce us to so muchdifferent foods and experiences.
So that, coupled with me beinga homeschooling mom, was the
(42:53):
best, because I was able toteach them about all these
different cultures, all thesedifferent countries, and we not
by book, but we could just goand experience and they would
fill out little forms and I'dtake pictures and we would
create unit studies.
So it was such a fun time butit you know, there were a lot of
(43:14):
challenges.
If you think of three childrenunder the age of nine well,
let's say six on a plane, andit's a 12 hour plus flight,
that's a challenge.
That is a challenge for anywoman, any couple.
So we had those challenges andnot to complain, because it was
(43:37):
just what God had us do, and sohe gave us so much grace, he
gave us so many blessings as wewere able to travel.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Thank you very much.
Yeah, that pretty muchsummarizes, I think for most
people that's worked with kids,whether you're in ministry or
not, it can be very challenging.
So, thank you.
All right, so we're gettingclose to wrapping up here, but I
do want to come back to you, drLarson.
I know, unfortunately.
(44:07):
I know one time you had yourribs broken.
I believe that was in Australia.
Someone tackled you and therewas a stage behind you at your
rib level and broke your ribs.
You had to fly home.
There's been some tough thingsin your travels around the world
.
I know also I think it's youroldest daughter.
(44:28):
She did some exorcism with you,some training some of her
friends.
Can you tell us a little bitabout that?
And then I've got one morequestion for you and we'll wrap
it up here.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
There are many different directions that the
ministry has taken, and ourwhole family was vested in this
ministry at one time or another.
They saw it, they experiencedit.
The age of my daughters hasbeen present from time to time
when I have been praying withsomebody, so they recognize the
(45:03):
reality of spiritual warfare,and, yes, they've seen me
physically assaulted, They'veseen me be involved in
potentially violent situations,especially in some overseas
cultures, but they always seeChrist triumph, they always see
Jesus come through, and theynever see me have anything
(45:25):
that's permanently sustainablein terms of any injuries or
problems as a result of what Ido.
What they have seen, though,are thousands upon thousands of
lives that have been changed.
They have met these people,they know their testimonies.
So, from a family standpoint,they see a side of life that not
(45:49):
everyone gets to see, and theyhave had the chance to see it up
close and personal, and I wishmore families believed in
deliverance, were involved indeliverance and would raise
their children with theknowledge of spiritual warfare,
which is so obvious to anydiscerning Christian, as it
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takes place all around us in somany different quarters.
Takes place all around us in somany different quarters.
It gives them a deeperunderstanding of good and evil
and the grace of God and howimportant it is to walk with the
Lord, because they see whathappens to people who haven't
walked with the Lord or whoseancestors or family have not
(46:33):
walked with the Lord, and theysee the devastation that has
caused.
That's the biggest takeaway,and people who don't believe in
deliverance are missing anopportunity both to see the raw
demonic evil of the kingdom ofdarkness but also the miraculous
power of God, what it setspeople free and the joy and the
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lightness and the transformationthat their lives undergo.
That's really the biggesttakeaway.
Jesus is real, the devil isreal.
Eternity is real when you getinvolved in casting out demons.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
Absolutely, and all four of my children are
perfectly comfortable withexorcism, to your point.
Yes, it's wonderful to have mychildren invested in and around
in this.
So I want to thank you, drLarson, and Laura, for coming on
and sharing your lives with allof us.
(47:32):
This has been amazing and youknow, at the end of every
episode, I always ask my gueststo leave a word of encouragement
to people, because there's alot of people that listen to
this podcast here that areChristian and they know that
they have demons, but theystruggle to go for an exorcism
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because of fear.
And there's other Christiansthat listen, that are just
skeptical, so they come here,and I also have quite a few
people listen that aren'tChristians right, people into
the New Age and all of thesedifferent practices, because
this is just another spiritualavenue for them to explore.
(48:17):
So I've got all these differenttypes of listeners, but at the
end, I really like our guests toencourage people.
So, dr Larson, with your yearsof experience, you have done
over 50,000 exorcisms in over100 countries.
With all of that experience and, laura, I'm going to come to
(48:39):
you after Dr Larson shares foryou to encourage the people.
What would you say to somebody,dr Larson.
Why would anybody?
Why should they go for anexorcism?
Speaker 3 (48:54):
The first reason that people should seek deliverance
from the powers of darkness isbecause it's biblical.
Christ did it, people needed it.
He commanded his disciples todo it.
It's part of the GreatCommission, it's unavoidable and
it's one of the ways in whichpeople divest themselves of the
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evil that has been in theirfamily and their bloodlines and
in their background to get areal new start on life.
That is the first thing.
Lose all doubt if you've everhad any about eternity, about
the veracity of the Bible, aboutthe importance of Christian
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living, because you see whathappens to people who don't
participate in those Christianvalues and beliefs and in fact
become victims of very realdemonic forces.
So the fact that there's a Godand there's a devil and we're
down here on earth in the midstof that, needing to make a
(50:05):
choice, it's very stark, it'svery real, it's not
theologically abstract.
It's an important decision thatwe make every day of our lives
as to how we will conductourselves, whether or not we
will be influenced by the HolySpirit or be influenced by evil
spirits.
So the raw reality of that tome is the biggest takeaway.
(50:28):
It removes every doubt.
There are no atheists in anexorcism.
Speaker 1 (50:36):
Thank you, dr Larson and Laura.
How about you?
What words of encouragement canyou offer to people listening?
Why should they get an exorcismor go through deliverance?
Speaker 2 (50:47):
That's really easy for me.
I am very blessed.
Many times people come into theoffice and I am able to share
with them.
When they are nervous, whenthey don't know what to expect,
I can talk to them, relate tothem and share a few things that
are really important.
(51:08):
And that is number one you'renot walking into a judgmental
chamber, so to speak.
Into a judgmental chamber, soto speak.
It is a place that people carefor you.
They're anointed by Christ todo this work and they want to
help you.
They're on your team, and Ithink that is such a fundamental
(51:28):
shift in the way you have tolook at this that people are
really there for you.
They're not ready to throw yoursins back in your face, but
they're ready to really walk youthrough those things, because
sometimes finding out why thosesins occurred is phenomenal.
You realize the enemy set youup for the life you have led,
(51:50):
and so that's very important.
And then I'm very blessed andBob and our whole staff is so
blessed to see lives changed,lives changed.
Sometimes it takes pain to getresults, or takes reflection to
(52:10):
get results, and what I mean bythat is looking at things that
can be very difficult to look at, and what I mean by that is
looking at things that can bevery difficult to look at, but
that's the way you overcome them, and I think that that fruit of
seeing so many people's liveschanged is what just keeps us
going forward.
And the sad stories areeclipsed by the beautiful
(52:33):
victories.
And I think that Christ lovesour humble hearts when we say,
here's what I've got, I've gotto get rid of this stuff, and as
a mom it's so much more for me.
It's not to say that it's notabout the individual sometimes.
(52:54):
Sometimes it's for the children, and breaking those
generational patterns and cursesand behavioral patterns are so
important for future generationsand the children, your children
, your grandchildren and futuregenerations.
(53:15):
You won't even know, you won'teven see, except in heaven, the
result of what you choose to doto get free.
So I encourage you hand out,walk into it.
Welcome to the Blind Exorcist.
This is Justin D, your host.
We are up to episode 33.
Thank you so much for tuning inyet again.
I always start with thatbecause I'm very appreciative of
each of you coming back andlistening and if you are new
(00:23):
here, welcome.
I know you're going to enjoytoday's episode.
Those of you who have beenlistening for a while understand
that I mention the name Dr BobLarson quite often on here,
because this is the exorcist whotrained me, mentored me and
certified me to become anexorcist under his ministry, and
(00:48):
today I've had the wonderfulopportunity of finally getting
to sit down and interview Dr BobLarson.
And not only Dr Larson, but hiswife, laura, joins us during
this interview.
I decided to take a differentapproach, interviewing Dr Larson
(01:14):
and Laura.
Most people who interview DrLarson want to know about demons
and what's the most wicked,terrifying, paranormal thing
you've witnessed as an exorcist,or what is the most common
demon you find that youencounter.
And yada, yada, yada.
I know all of that because hetrained me.
(01:36):
I'm not interested in that.
I want to know who is BobLarson.
I want to know this on apersonal level and I also want
(02:00):
to know who is Laura.
So today in this interviewexample, did you know that Dr
Larson was raised on a farm inNebraska?
Did you know that Dr Larsonplays a Gibson Les Paul?
(02:22):
Oh, here's another one.
Did you know that his wife,laura, was studying to become an
attorney?
Friends, these are the sorts ofthings I'm interested in.
I want to get to know the manBob Larson not necessarily the
exorcist Now I do touch on hisexorcism ministry because it's
(02:46):
part of his life, so that'sdefinitely included in here and
for those of you who do not knowwho Dr Bob Larson is, this is
going to be a great introduction.
But in short, he is the numberone Protestant exorcist in the
Protestant community.
He's performed over 50,000exorcisms in over 100 countries.
(03:09):
He's written a lot of books.
Just Google Bob LarsonDeliverance or go to Amazon Bob
Larson and you'll see all thebooks that he's written.
And he trains a lot of peopleto become exorcists in the
Protestant community to helppeople get free and emotionally
(03:31):
heal their lives throughdeliverance ministry.
So this is who he is.
By the way, I am going toinclude links to Dr Larson's
website, youtube channel and hisex-Dunamis streaming platform
in the show notes.
So make sure to check out theshow notes.
(03:52):
You'll see the links there.
Once again, share this out withyour family, friends and on
your social media platform.
Dr Larson has been around forsuch a long time and there are
many people who have followedhim through the years and I
think they will reallyappreciate seeing this kind of
personal side to Dr Larson andLaura, and they're really going
(04:16):
to enjoy it.
So thank you very much forsharing this out and getting
this out to as many people asyou can.
So, without any further ado,I'd love to introduce you to not
only the exorcist who God usedto free me from my demons, not
(04:37):
only the exorcist, but I'd liketo introduce you to my friend,
someone who knows the deepestsecrets of my life and showed me
the compassion and mercy ofJesus Christ as he led me
(04:59):
through my healing journey.
Let's dive in here and get toknow Dr Bob Larson and Laura
Larson.
Dr Bob Larson and Laura Larsonwelcome to the Blind Exorcist.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Thank you very much.
We are so excited to be herewith you, Justin.
This is a great opportunity toshare.
Thank you for inviting us.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I'm very excited.
I've been trying for a while toget you guys on here and
everyone is excited to hear this, so I'm going to step through
really your legacy, dr Larson.
So let's go ahead and just divein here and start from the
beginning.
You were born in Nebraska, youwere born on a farm and I'd like
(05:51):
to flush that out a little bit.
I really appreciate farming.
I don't farm as a blind man,but my father was raised on a
farm farm as a blind man, but myfather was raised on a farm, so
I loved hearing about his lifeon that farm.
Now to you, that might be not abig deal, but for us in the
(06:14):
audience, very interesting.
So can you share with us?
You're on a farm in Nebraska.
What was this like for you?
Was it?
Hey, you had to get up and dochores before school, go off to
school.
What were your chores?
What was this like for you,being raised on a farm in
Nebraska First?
Speaker 3 (06:34):
of all minor correction.
I was born in NorthernCalifornia where my dad was
pastoring a church.
He had a heart attack and inthose days it was very difficult
to treat heart disease, so theydidn't do much but give them
some nitroglycerin and tell themto be careful and breathe lots
(06:57):
of oxygen.
He could not continue therigors of pastoring.
My mother was raised on a farmin Nebraska, and so he and my
mother, my older sister and me Iwas six months old headed back
to Nebraska to thefather-in-law's farm, and that
is then where I spent most of mygrowing up years.
(07:21):
So what did I do?
I did what you do on farms.
I tried to avoid being attackedby the chickens and there was
one rooster who gave me a lot oftrouble.
My dad said you just go up andkick him with your cowboy boot
and he won't come after youagain.
And sure enough it worked.
But I collected the eggs.
(07:41):
When I got a little older I didsome belking.
I had horses.
We had sheep, which my daddidn't like Dumbest animals, he
said, he ever saw.
And then we had pigs and daddidn't like pork and he said
they're just too dirty so Idon't want them either.
So we just concentrated oncattle and corn and that was it.
(08:04):
And we didn't have television inthe beginning and they've got a
little black and white, and wedidn't have much contact with
the outside world, except what Ilearned in school, and I was
very active in athletics, allsports, and then, by God's grace
, graduated valedictorian in myclass and headed off to college.
(08:24):
And then, by God's grace,graduated valedictorian of my
class and headed off to college.
But it was a pretty how do Isay that?
A confining existence.
But it did have a couple ofrole models, dick Cavett and
Johnny Carson.
They both were from Nebraskaand they made it.
So I thought maybe I can too.
So I headed off to college andit was then that I found the
Lord.
And then that's when thingsreally turned around.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
In your time, when you graduated high school,
manufacturing and farming wereas important as university.
What made you decide to go touniversity rather than pursuing
manufacturing or continuing infarming?
(09:08):
Well, the answer to that ispretty simple.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
On my mother's side, two of her brothers were doctors
and then from them two of theirsons became doctors.
So I was expected to carry onthe family tradition and go into
medicine and that was the plan.
So I enrolled as pre-med and Iwas on my way to going on to
(09:35):
medical school.
So I was very anxious to getoff the farm and if you've ever
been to Western Nebraska and ifyou've ever been to western
Nebraska, it's pretty barren andit's pretty boring.
Good people, but that's justthe way it is.
I just determined I was goingto be a doctor and I wanted to
(09:56):
get out of the prairies.
Although I went to theUniversity of Nebraska, which is
not really in the prairie, it'sgetting down by the Missouri
River Changed my life to get meoff the farm and that was pretty
ambitious in those days,because I think every single
classmate that I knew ended upon the family farm continuing
(10:19):
the tradition.
But I was about to break that.
But I didn't know how far I wasto break that, because then I
became a Christian and as aresult of that I began to
rethink what I was doing.
But in the meantime rock androll had come along and I
started a band and I was playingin the bars every weekend, so
(10:39):
that was a lot more excitingthan picking up a chicken egg.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
This is perfect, because that was my next
question, because I'm aguitarist as well.
I know you are a guitarist.
How did you learn guitar?
Did you learn this while youwere on the farm?
Did somebody teach you on thefarm or did you learn this
during university?
And also, what bands were youplaying back then?
(11:07):
Are you talking like theBeatles?
Or had Black Sabbath come outyet like in this rock band?
So if you can just give us alittle bit of history about that
, that'd be great.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
First of all, I got a three-quarter, as they called
it a three-quarter Gibson, itmeans it wasn't full size and I
was like about 10 or 11 yearsold.
My folks picked it up in astore and I just started
strumming, started teachingmyself, and then they got what
was to become the classic.
(11:37):
But nobody knew it then unlessPaul Gibson.
Now I was really on my way andI just taught myself to play,
sit down and listen to 45s andtry to mimic what I heard them
doing the best that I could.
And my ambitions then was to gettogether with a band and we're
talking early 60s, late 50s,rock and roll, chuck Berry, rock
(12:02):
and roll, chuck Berry, carlPerkins, elvis Presley, that
kind of an era.
But it was a really big thingthen to go out and form a band.
Garage bands today are amillion a dozen, but back then
people just didn't do that.
You're like what?
You're going to form a band?
(12:23):
But I did.
And then we started playingsmall venues 500 to 1,000 people
dancing, doing whatever.
Then I started playing in clubsand I was too young to drink I
didn't drink anyway, so I didn'tsmoke any weed so I would play
in the band, we'd take a breakand I'd just go outside and get
some fresh air.
But again became a Christianand then that sort of upended
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all of that and I decided Ireally think I might be called
to the ministry.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
So you're in university, you become a
Christian.
Now your father was a ministeryou had mentioned and he had a
bad heart condition.
You had moved to Nebraska onthe farm, so you were kind of
raised around Christianity.
So it sounds like this was yourown personal encounter with
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Christ where you actuallyyourself decided to become a
Christian.
How did that unfold?
Speaker 3 (13:22):
First of all because my father was severely affected.
He was basically bedridden formany years, tethered to an
oxygen tank just to keep himalive.
So there wasn't any going tochurch and I just got lost in
the shuffle of all of that.
And they prayed, they wouldtalk about the Lord, they had
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Christian friends who would comeover to the house and so on,
but none of it really interestedme at all.
I just didn't fit into what Iwanted to do with my life.
I wasn't a bad kid, I wasn't ina state of rebellion, I wasn't
doing any drugs, I wasn'tdrinking, I was an athlete and a
scholar.
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That was my intention.
But I began to realize thatthere were going to have to be
some changes in my life and Imight not be able to continue on
in medicine.
I attended a service where therewas a man giving his testimony
of having found the Lord, an oldcountry and western entertainer
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who had been famous.
I didn't even know who he wasand his name was T Texas Tyler
and he was famous for back inthe 50s, of writing a song
called the Deck of Cards, whichis actuallya Christian takeoff
on all the different suits andthe cards, and I was very
impressed with his testimony.
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I hated his music but I wasreally impressed with his
testimony and I went forward atan altar call and I didn't
really know what I was doing,didn't understand it, but I did
know it was time to give my lifeto the lord.
I just intuitively knew that.
I think was part of myspiritual heritage, because my
father had been in ministry andmy great-grandfather on his side
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was a Lutheran priest whoimmigrated from Norway.
So this was in my DNA, if youwant to put it that way.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Very interesting.
Father's ancestry was fromNorway and I remember you'd
mentioned to me your mother wasGerman.
Was she born here in the States, or did she migrate here from
Germany?
Speaker 3 (15:30):
She came to the United States as a small child.
Her parents were Russian Jewsand they were escaping the
Bolsheviks and communism andthey made their way across
Germany to America and EllisIsland and they made their way
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across Germany to America andEllis Island and so she really
only knew the United States.
So it was quite a mixture.
So my grandmother on my dad'sside was Irish, I had Norwegian,
and you know that'll get you alot of demons.
And then of course, the RussianJew on the other side.
They spoke German, though theywere in the part of Russia that
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was in dispute at that timebetween Germany and Russia.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Very interesting, very interesting.
So back to university.
Here you are.
You have this Christianexperience, you're in this rock
band, you're like I have to stopthis.
And at a certain point in timeyou go on break at university
and you decide to buy a ticketto fly all around the world and
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during this adventure you cameacross a lot of demonic
ceremonies and cultures.
Can you tell us a little bitabout this whole experience and
what you've seen and theimpression it had on you as a
young man?
Speaker 3 (17:04):
As a young man, understand, I had never been
outside of the United States andonly had been out of the state
of Nebraska for a yearly trip toCalifornia where we had some
relatives, never really beeneast of the Mississippi.
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But I just thought I want to gosee the world.
So I bought a round-the-worldticket and that ticket would
allow me to have as many stopsas I wanted, as long as I didn't
backtrack.
So I took off, I went to Europe, I went to Africa, asia, india,
southeast Asia, japan.
I really went almost everywhere.
I really went almost everywhere.
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And it was, of course, in Indiamainly, but also in Southeast
Asia, that I encountereddemonism and I really didn't
know what it was.
And I had this interest.
People would be talking aboutsome ceremony taking place and
I'd go see it.
But in these ceremonies I wouldsee people go into seizures and
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writhe on the ground and screamand whatever, and they all said
that they were becomingpossessed by their gods.
And I thought sounds like whatthe Bible says about demons,
about these demons.
And I didn't have an unhealthycuriosity, I was just fascinated
by the phenomenon and I thoughtI'm just going to stick this in
the back of my mind and maybeI'll run into it again someday
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in America, and I did.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
So you come back to America and you, I believe, you
stopped university and youstarted pursuing like a ministry
, a Christian ministry.
You were doing motivationalspeaking.
You were starting Christianmusic.
In fact, believe it or not,literally last year on YouTube I
(19:05):
found it just came up in myfeed, right, because I watch
your exorcism videos.
On my feed comes Bob Larson andit's a song, literally recorded
, that you did a Christiancontemporary song for its time
and I'm listening to this and Iwas like no, I said this is not
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Dr Len, he's an exorcist.
And so, anyhow, you're out there, just to let you know, it was a
playlist of a user who had allkinds of artists from that time
and you were in the list.
So I just mentioned that forsome humor and you'll have to
try to find that song.
(19:51):
I don't remember the name, butanyhow, you are traveling around
, you're doing motivationalChristian motivational speaking,
you're singing and I believeduring this time or thereabouts
you encountered your first demonpossession with a young girl.
Can you tell us a little bitabout your singing, your
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Christian speaking, and then thefirst encounter you had here in
America, where a teenagerapproached you and said I have
sex with the devil.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
So what happened is I got back and I got involved in
motivational speaking and atthat point in time there was no
social media.
A lot of people got theirinformation from school assembly
programs where they would havevarious speakers come and talk
about different kinds of topics,and so I heard about some
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agencies that would book peoplelike that.
I thought that's interesting,I'd like to try that out.
So I worked up this lecture onrock and roll and all the drug
scene and so on that was goingon with all the hair bands et
cetera, and so I would come outof the stage, play my guitar and
then speak, and it was justbasically sort of an anti-drug
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lecture and I would speakbriefly about my testimony.
So I've traveled.
I speak at about 500 schools ayear, but when I would come into
a town I would try to find outin advance through networking If
there was a church there thatwould let me come and share my
testimony.
So I would speak in the schooland then speak in a church that
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night, and then I'd invite allthe kids in the school and I
might have 500 or 1,000 kids I'mspeaking to and then 20 or 30
of them would show up at nightto hear my testimony.
So that was my way ofevangelizing.
And then I continued to do that.
And as I was doing that, then Ihad this episode where this
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young woman walked up to me.
I never heard of anything likehaving sex with a demon, so I
just abruptly said to her let metalk to the demon you have sex
with.
And then she manifested thisspirit, started speaking out of
her body.
That was my first real personalintroduction to the world of
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the demonic.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
I think what's interesting about this situation
.
I'd like you to explain this alittle bit with this young woman
At this time there was a playout, or it might even have been
a movie.
This Superstar Jesus, whateverit was called You'll remember
(22:41):
the title and the spirit thatspoke out of her spoke in a
British clip dialect.
Can you tell us a little bitabout that?
That?
Speaker 3 (22:45):
was pretty shocking because this was a 15-year-old
girl from a rural community inthe middle of Missouri.
And suddenly this voice isspeaking in this very distinct
British accent and it's atotally different voice and it's
as demons.
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Demons do.
They say all sorts of crazystuff.
But at one point this demonlooked at me and at that time
jesus christ superstar had justcome out as a, as a, as an album
, and the live production hadn'tcome out yet and it was taking
the country by storm.
And the demon looks at me andhe says I helped to inspire that
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in this British accent.
And, of course, rice and Weber,who were the writers and the
composers, they were British andI thought that was pretty
interesting.
Okay, that doesn't surprise mea bit.
That doesn't surprise me a bit.
You can't have a much moredramatic introduction to your
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first demon.
So to me it was just soauthentic, so real.
There was no getting away fromit.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
So this young girl, if memory serves me.
So you got this 15-year-oldrural young girl, demon manifest
, speaking British, saying heinspired and helped write this
play.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
I believe didn't it quote verbatim some of the
verses out of the songs thatthis young girl would have never
heard.
Oh yeah, this thing was quotingthe lyrics, just rattling them
right off, just rattling themright off, and I'm like this
girl doesn't know this.
This thing has just come outand, you know, I don't even know
if it had reached the backwoodsof Missouri yet.
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Yes, so I mean this wasstunning.
I mean there was no way aroundthis, this was supernatural, it
was very, very clear and it gotmy attention and I thought, okay
, I need to know more about this.
So I started to study what Icould find, and there wasn't
much that you could find inthose days of anybody talking
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about this stuff you could find,which a lot of the times that
brings us back to the Catholiccamp because they had been doing
exorcisms forever.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Did you study much like historical works around
exorcism and demonology?
Speaker 3 (25:20):
I really didn't.
There was one book by DallasTheological Seminary, by Dallas
Theological Seminary, aralunker,called Demons in the World
Today, and I found this book.
It was really the only thingthat I could find and so I read
that.
And then there was no internetto do research, so I had to try
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to find other secular booksabout the topic, but I didn't
know that anybody else did thisother than the Catholics.
I didn't know that there wasany such thing as a deliverance
ministry.
I didn't understand any of it.
But what I did do was, in theselittle lectures that I was
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giving in the evenings in thechurches, I would talk about
this, and then it started tohappen all over again.
I would have people walk up tome and demons would speak out of
it.
So I thought I don't know whatthis is, but it's not happening
to anybody else that I know of,and so I would take on these
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demons the best that I knew how,and it was a pretty fledgling
start, but that's how God usedit to nudge me in that direction
.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
So I'm going to fast forward here quite a bit.
I know that probably over theyears before this started, you
were really being taughthands-on and working through a
lot of figuring this out.
How do you expel these thingsgenerational curses, these sorts
of things but eventually youstart a national talk radio show
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called Talk Back with BobLarson.
Can you explain to us how didthis come to be?
You went from a farm inNebraska to touring the world
demons manifesting that areBritish and working with these
young people, and then fastforward a few years and now here
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you are on national radio talkback with Bob Larson, talking
about demon possession, talkingto witches, also working with
death metal bands like Deicideand Morbid Angel, and you even
go on tour with Slayer to see ifthey were actually authentic
(27:47):
Satanists, which they turned outnot to be.
They were just posing to makemoney off of it.
But this is huge.
You go from working withteenagers to this era of what I
would call your prime.
This is a national radio show.
You're being interviewed onOprah, dr Phil, all of these
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things.
Hollywood is contacting you tohelp talk about demon possession
in movies, and so there's a lotgoing on here.
But at the root of it.
Talk Back with Bob Larson iswhat I think really launched you
.
How did this start?
Speaker 3 (28:30):
It started because I got the idea, if I'm going to
give my testimony and then gospeak in these churches, there
are Christian radio stations.
And so I thought why don't Itry to talk these Christian
radio stations to giving me aday or two for a few hours to
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talk about my experiences andpreach the gospel.
And so I was an anomaly backthen because of all the things
we've described.
So I got a series of radiostations, so I started adding to
my schedule these local radiostations where I would go on and
I'd say give me a couple ofhours every couple of days and
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let's just take some phone callsand see what happens.
And to their shock it was a bighit, so to speak, because
people were fascinated by this.
Nobody did anything like that.
And one day a radio stationowner said to me I don't
understand why you're travelingall over the country and doing
this.
There's this new thing calledsatellite radio.
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Why don't you just stay in oneplace and then feed that to all
the rest of the radio stations?
Back then the only guy doinganything live by satellite or
radio was Larry King, and Ithought they eventually called
me the Christian Larry Kingbecause I was the first guy to
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go do this.
And so I put together aninvestment group.
I said, look, I need some help.
An investment group that said,look, I need some help.
I want to go on Christian radiostations and they don't have a
satellite dish.
And back then those dishes werelike 10 feet wide, not these
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little tiny ones like today Hugethings.
So if I can buy a bunch ofthese and I can give them to a
Christian station in exchangefor daily airtime to do a talk
show, would you be willing to goalong with that?
So I found a group of peoplewho helped me to do that.
So we went out and bought acouple hundred satellite dishes,
loaded up on semi-trucks andstarted sending them all over
the country.
And they'd pull up at aChristian station and say, how
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would you like to have one ofthese?
And they would all say, what isit?
You can get live satelliteprograms, live program.
Because everything was beingsent around on little cassette
tapes.
They said what?
Yeah, let us just put this inyour backyard.
And there's this guy, bobLarson, if you just give him an
hour a day, he'll pay for thisand put it in your backyard.
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It was a deal they couldn'trefuse, and so we built this
network, ended up with 200stations, just one station at a
time, pouring concrete andsticking a big 20-foot, 15,
20-foot dish in their backyard,and they were really excited
about it.
So it was just a God thing,that little entrepreneurialism,
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the work of the Holy Spirit, andthere you have it, and so it
took off.
What happened, though?
The key was, I'd only beendoing it a couple of months and
a Satanist calls me on the radioand he wants to take me on, and
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so I shared the gospel with him.
Him and I convince him.
Live on the air to give hisheart to Jesus, and he does.
Well, what made it interestingwas that I, at that time, was
originating my show from Denver,and this guy was actually from
Denver.
So I said come down to mystudio and bring all your
satanic stuff.
So he comes down to the studioand he brings all his satanic
paraphernalia books, and we goout in the backyard and we burn
all this stuff and I report onit.
That lit a fire in Christianradio.
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Nobody's ever done this before,nobody's even thought of this.
Who would even do this?
And God used thatadventurousness, spiritual
prodding of the Lord.
I see it all now as God puttingthings together to get me where
we are today.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
And I could go on about all of the guests you've
had.
There's just so much here.
And for those of you listening,dr Larson has a website called
Ex Dunamis which has all of hisTalk Back with Bob Larson radio
show episodes.
So if you would like to golisten to those, you can.
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You can just go to boblarsonorgand there's a link to
ex-Dunamis right there that youcan click on and sign up and
dive in.
So for the sake of time I'mgoing to skip over this.
But I mean he was constantlydealing with demon possession
live on the air.
Demons were manifesting,satanists were calling, there
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were people in covens wantingout.
He would help people get out ofcovens and bring them to safety
.
He would work, like I saidpreviously, with these death
metal bands would call likeDeicide, morbid Angel.
These were back in the 90swhere these guys were Satanists
who were into real extreme metal.
He got involved with Christianmetal bands Deliverance,
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tourniquet, mortification andothers.
He actually did a concert withTourniquet where he played
guitar with Tourniquet.
I wish I could find a clip ofthat.
That'd be neat, but anyhow,there's a lot there to check out
.
Now, laura, finally we get toyou.
I know during this time, atsome point, you and Dr Larson
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meet.
How did you and Dr Larson meetfor the first time?
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Well, it was an interesting meeting.
I was interviewing for aposition at Bob Larson Ministry,
which at that time was based inDenver, Colorado.
He had a huge office and a hugebuilding at that time was based
in Denver, Colorado.
He had a huge office and a hugebuilding at that time, and so
we had a staff of oh my goodness, maybe 30.
So I was being interviewed fora position as a special events
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coordinator.
I was taking a break before lawschool so I thought, well, I'll
work in a ministry.
I think that's a good thing todo, and so little did I know it
would change my life.
But so I was walking in to beinterviewed by somebody else his
vice president and he walkedout of the elevator and he saw
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me and he jumped and it was asurprise because I wasn't sure
who he was.
And then I just really think atthat time it was the Holy
Spirit.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
God knew what our destiny was for us and he let us
know pretty quickly I was hiredand then we worked together for
(35:45):
a little bit and then it wasjust evident to us the Lord
really revealed to us that wewere the pair and it just not
every day someone says I want tomarry an exorcist.
So how was your family withthis whole idea of because this
is extreme right Exorcism is avery extreme ministry and most
people struggle with that,especially in America.
How was your family mom, dad,siblings with the idea of you
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marrying an exorcist?
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Well, my mother was in ministry at that time.
She was an executive assistantat a ministry and she loved the
work of Bob Larson Ministries.
So really when I met Bob he had, I think, 200 stations, he had
a daily radio program and therewas a lot of things he was
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talking about.
He did some of the exorcisms onair but it was a portion of
what he did and so once we gotmarried we would do deliverances
and exorcisms after hours, sohe would do all these radio
shows and then after hours hewould do the exorcisms.
(36:53):
So it was very grueling thatschedule.
So anyway, excuse me, I got alittle bit off track there, but
so that was.
Of course he was more of aradio.
Christian radio talk show hostis really how I saw him at the
time.
So my family, Even with thatdistinction, my family, learned
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a bit about him.
In the beginning they were notsure and again, my mother loved
him immediately because ofcourse she was in ministry and
the Holy Spirit was influencingher, but she loved him.
So everyone else grew to loveBob, loved him.
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So everyone else grew to loveBob.
But sometimes, early onespecially, they didn't
understand that aspect of theministry.
And you know, really Bob hasstood the test of time with the
anointing and calling and thatspeaks for itself.
They've grown to love Bob andthey've seen the fruit of
thousands of people helped,lives restored and people living
for Christ, and so that issomething that is
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extraordinarily compelling, thatto me it really speaks for
itself and that part of theministry and that's easy to
understand.
But, as you know, it can be achallenge and people don't
really understand.
They think what is this?
This is scary stuff, Because Ithink the movie the Exorcist
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really threw people off fromwhat true deliverance, true
exorcism is.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
I think that's the reality for most people who are
exorcists, especially in familyor even in Christian contexts
that we look at as strange,because in America this is very
strange, but go to Nigeria, oh,they'd be excited.
Come on in, help us.
I have a friend in Singapore Imention this often on the show
here that you know over therewhen someone gives their life to
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Jesus Christ in her church, thefirst thing they do literally
is put them through an exorcismbecause culturally they
understand all of the religiousinfluence and ancestor worship
and Taoism and just differentthings that are in the culture
(39:21):
In America, though verychallenging, laura.
So you and Dr Larson, you guysstart having children and you
guys are touring around.
You guys are in Australia, Iknow Ukraine, there's been a lot
of other countries, dr Larson,you've been to and you're
bringing this global now aroundthe world and performing these
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live exorcisms and churches anddifferent venues.
Laura, what was that like withchildren and traveling around
the world?
What challenges did you find?
I know there's also reward indoing this, but that had to be
tough because I got four kidsmyself and so I know it can be,
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especially with traveling.
How did that unfold for you?
Speaker 2 (40:13):
That's a great question, justin, unfold for you
.
That's a great question, justin, and it was tremendous being
able to travel with Bob.
We just decided that we neededto keep our family together and,
even though traveling withyoung children is very difficult
, it's something that wecommitted to and I'll just give
(40:34):
you a little snapshot as to oneof the challenges.
We went to South Africa and ouryoungest was crawling.
She had just started crawlingand we were in a hotel room that
was provided by the church.
I laid down sheets everywhereso that she could crawl and at
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one point the housekeepingservice came in and they were
tidying up and I just happenedto look at the time that the
person who was cleaning put themop to clean the mop out, put it
into the toilet, so kind of gotthe water and squeegeed the
(41:19):
water out in the toilet and Ijust thought, oh my goodness, oh
my goodness, that really threwme for a loop.
And so it was just there weremany different standards when it
came to cleanliness and itmight've just been that hotel,
but it was.
It was really surprising.
And then, another time, samehotel, I, bob, went to meet the
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pastor and it was wonderful, andhe went off for a little while.
So I thought I'm going to takethe children just across the
street with a carriage and all.
I'm going to take them acrossthe street because the ocean is
just right across the street.
I'm so excited.
So I start walking in the lobbyand and the woman at the front
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desk said, excuse me, ma'am, mayI ask where you're going?
And I thought it was such astrange question.
And I said, yes, I'm just goingto walk right across the street
, just really quickly show thekids the ocean.
And she said I would notrecommend you did that without a
few men with you.
And I was just again verysurprised.
These were all these differentchallenges and experiences.
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And other times we were able tomeet leaders in the government.
We were able to meet so manyamazing people from the
different countries and culturesand they would welcome us in
and introduce us to so muchdifferent foods and experiences.
So that, coupled with me beinga homeschooling mom, was the
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best, because I was able toteach them about all these
different cultures, all thesedifferent countries, and we not
by book, but we could just goand experience and they would
fill out little forms and I'dtake pictures and we would
create unit studies.
So it was such a fun time butit you know, there were a lot of
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challenges.
If you think of three childrenunder the age of nine well,
let's say six on a plane, andit's a 12 hour plus flight,
that's a challenge.
That is a challenge for anywoman, any couple.
So we had those challenges andnot to complain, because it was
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just what God had us do, and sohe gave us so much grace, he
gave us so many blessings as wewere able to travel.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Thank you very much.
Yeah, that pretty muchsummarizes, I think for most
people that's worked with kids,whether you're in ministry or
not, it can be very challenging.
So, thank you.
All right, so we're gettingclose to wrapping up here, but I
do want to come back to you, drLarson.
I know, unfortunately.
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I know one time you had yourribs broken.
I believe that was in Australia.
Someone tackled you and therewas a stage behind you at your
rib level and broke your ribs.
You had to fly home.
There's been some tough thingsin your travels around the world
.
I know also I think it's youroldest daughter.
(44:28):
She did some exorcism with you,some training some of her
friends.
Can you tell us a little bitabout that?
And then I've got one morequestion for you and we'll wrap
it up here.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
There are many different directions that the
ministry has taken, and ourwhole family was vested in this
ministry at one time or another.
They saw it, they experiencedit.
The age of my daughters hasbeen present from time to time
when I have been praying withsomebody, so they recognize the
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reality of spiritual warfare,and, yes, they've seen me
physically assaulted, They'veseen me be involved in
potentially violent situations,especially in some overseas
cultures, but they always seeChrist triumph, they always see
Jesus come through, and theynever see me have anything
(45:25):
that's permanently sustainablein terms of any injuries or
problems as a result of what Ido.
What they have seen, though,are thousands upon thousands of
lives that have been changed.
They have met these people,they know their testimonies.
So, from a family standpoint,they see a side of life that not
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everyone gets to see, and theyhave had the chance to see it up
close and personal, and I wishmore families believed in
deliverance, were involved indeliverance and would raise
their children with theknowledge of spiritual warfare,
which is so obvious to anydiscerning Christian, as it
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takes place all around us in somany different quarters.
Takes place all around us in somany different quarters.
It gives them a deeperunderstanding of good and evil
and the grace of God and howimportant it is to walk with the
Lord, because they see whathappens to people who haven't
walked with the Lord or whoseancestors or family have not
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walked with the Lord, and theysee the devastation that has
caused.
That's the biggest takeaway,and people who don't believe in
deliverance are missing anopportunity both to see the raw
demonic evil of the kingdom ofdarkness but also the miraculous
power of God, what it setspeople free and the joy and the
(46:57):
lightness and the transformationthat their lives undergo.
That's really the biggesttakeaway.
Jesus is real, the devil isreal.
Eternity is real when you getinvolved in casting out demons.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
Absolutely, and all four of my children are
perfectly comfortable withexorcism, to your point.
Yes, it's wonderful to have mychildren invested in and around
in this.
So I want to thank you, drLarson, and Laura, for coming on
and sharing your lives with allof us.
(47:32):
This has been amazing and youknow, at the end of every
episode, I always ask my gueststo leave a word of encouragement
to people, because there's alot of people that listen to
this podcast here that areChristian and they know that
they have demons, but theystruggle to go for an exorcism
(47:56):
because of fear.
And there's other Christiansthat listen, that are just
skeptical, so they come here,and I also have quite a few
people listen that aren'tChristians right, people into
the New Age and all of thesedifferent practices, because
this is just another spiritualavenue for them to explore.
(48:17):
So I've got all these differenttypes of listeners, but at the
end, I really like our guests toencourage people.
So, dr Larson, with your yearsof experience, you have done
over 50,000 exorcisms in over100 countries.
With all of that experience and, laura, I'm going to come to
(48:39):
you after Dr Larson shares foryou to encourage the people.
What would you say to somebody,dr Larson.
Why would anybody?
Why should they go for anexorcism?
Speaker 3 (48:54):
The first reason that people should seek deliverance
from the powers of darkness isbecause it's biblical.
Christ did it, people needed it.
He commanded his disciples todo it.
It's part of the GreatCommission, it's unavoidable and
it's one of the ways in whichpeople divest themselves of the
(49:18):
evil that has been in theirfamily and their bloodlines and
in their background to get areal new start on life.
That is the first thing.
Lose all doubt if you've everhad any about eternity, about
the veracity of the Bible, aboutthe importance of Christian
(49:42):
living, because you see whathappens to people who don't
participate in those Christianvalues and beliefs and in fact
become victims of very realdemonic forces.
So the fact that there's a Godand there's a devil and we're
down here on earth in the midstof that, needing to make a
(50:05):
choice, it's very stark, it'svery real, it's not
theologically abstract.
It's an important decision thatwe make every day of our lives
as to how we will conductourselves, whether or not we
will be influenced by the HolySpirit or be influenced by evil
spirits.
So the raw reality of that tome is the biggest takeaway.
(50:28):
It removes every doubt.
There are no atheists in anexorcism.
Speaker 1 (50:36):
Thank you, dr Larson and Laura.
How about you?
What words of encouragement canyou offer to people listening?
Why should they get an exorcismor go through deliverance?
Speaker 2 (50:47):
That's really easy for me.
I am very blessed.
Many times people come into theoffice and I am able to share
with them.
When they are nervous, whenthey don't know what to expect,
I can talk to them, relate tothem and share a few things that
are really important.
(51:08):
And that is number one you'renot walking into a judgmental
chamber, so to speak.
Into a judgmental chamber, soto speak.
It is a place that people carefor you.
They're anointed by Christ todo this work and they want to
help you.
They're on your team, and Ithink that is such a fundamental
(51:28):
shift in the way you have tolook at this that people are
really there for you.
They're not ready to throw yoursins back in your face, but
they're ready to really walk youthrough those things, because
sometimes finding out why thosesins occurred is phenomenal.
You realize the enemy set youup for the life you have led,
(51:50):
and so that's very important.
And then I'm very blessed andBob and our whole staff is so
blessed to see lives changed,lives changed.
Sometimes it takes pain to getresults, or takes reflection to
(52:10):
get results, and what I mean bythat is looking at things that
can be very difficult to look at, and what I mean by that is
looking at things that can bevery difficult to look at, but
that's the way you overcome them, and I think that that fruit of
seeing so many people's liveschanged is what just keeps us
going forward.
And the sad stories areeclipsed by the beautiful
(52:33):
victories.
And I think that Christ lovesour humble hearts when we say,
here's what I've got, I've gotto get rid of this stuff, and as
a mom it's so much more for me.
It's not to say that it's notabout the individual sometimes.
(52:54):
Sometimes it's for the children, and breaking those
generational patterns and cursesand behavioral patterns are so
important for future generationsand the children, your children
, your grandchildren and futuregenerations.
(53:15):
You won't even know, you won'teven see, except in heaven, the
result of what you choose to doto get free.
So I encourage you hand out,walk into it.
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