May 12, 2025 • 49 mins
Can Freedom from Demonic Oppression Really Last?
In this rare follow-up episode of The Blind Exorcist, I reconnect with John, whose powerful deliverance was featured in Episode 11. It’s been two years since that breakthrough—and today, John shares what life looks like after sustained freedom in Christ.
Back then, John was isolated in his mother’s basement during COVID, battling depression, suicide, isolation, poor hygiene, financial instability, and toxic codependency. Today, he’s financially independent, emotionally strong, physically healthier, and confidently walking in his identity as a child of God.
📌 What you’ll learn in this episode:
✅ Why deliverance is just the beginning of true transformation
✅ The daily habits that help sustain freedom from demonic oppression
✅ How breaking family soul ties can unlock emotional healing
✅ Why church community plays a key role in long-term freedom
✅ How John rebuilt his confidence and spiritual authority
✅ What it really takes to keep demons from coming back
John’s journey is living proof that freedom through Jesus Christ is possible—and sustainable. If you're feeling stuck or wondering if true deliverance can last, this episode will give you both hope and a clear path forward.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back, my friend.
Thank you so much for tuning in, as always.
I'm thrilled that you'vedecided to take the time to
check out this episode.
And this is the Blind Exorcist.
I am Justin D, your host, andthis is episode 31.
This episode is really cool.
(00:24):
I've brought back John fromepisode 11.
Now, if you've not listenedtokept, unbathed, undisciplined
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this is all in episode 11.
Two years later, I bring themback to share what true success
looks like post-deliverance.
This is amazing.
We're going to step into John'slife here, two years past him
going through an exorcism, andsee just how does this unfold in
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practical ways in someone'slife.
You guys have been with me fora while.
You've heard these testimonies.
This is the first time I'veever brought somebody back after
they've walked for two years infreedom.
This is amazing.
This is the benefits that you,my friend, can receive after
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going through deliverance.
This is going to be amazing.
I'm so excited for this.
Now I live in Ohio, so we are inthat weird April, may, spring.
It's like this dude, in themorning you're in a hoodie with
the furnace on.
In the afternoon you are inshorts and a t-shirt and the air
conditioner on.
Then in the evening you're backto heat and back in the hoodie
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and sweatpants.
So if you live in Michigan orPennsylvania or Ohio, you all
know exactly what I'm talkingabout.
So, anyhow, because of thesedrastic temperature changes,
people get sick and get chestcolds, and I got a chest cold.
So in this episode I sound likeI've smoked cigarettes for 45
(02:24):
years of my life and I've livedon whiskey.
Okay, but I just wanted to letyou know that's why I sound
different.
It's all intelligible.
It all sounds great.
You're going to get a lot ofvalue out of it, but I just
wanted to let you know oldJustin D had a cold during this
episode.
If you find this episodeinspiring, helpful, valuable in
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any way, I'd encourage you totap on support the show in the
show notes.
Any amount helps.
Thank you, I'm so excited todive into this.
Let's just jump in.
Let's go, john.
Welcome back to the BlindExorcist.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Thank you for having me back.
It's been two years and I'mlooking forward to our interview
.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Me too, man, and what I'm very excited about is to
really show what Jesus Christhas done for your life and for
your commitment to Christ.
You've done what is required tomaintain your freedom, and I
think that's so important,because a lot of times people
come to me or other exorcistsand they sit down across from me
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as an example and they'rebasically saying, without saying
, fix me.
In other words, I'm not goingto do anything, but you remove
the demons and then they leaveand they continue in the same
lifestyle.
They keep the same toxicrelationships, they don't stay
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in their Bible daily, they don'tattend church regularly, but
yet they want their pain to goaway.
And it doesn't work that way.
And this is why I'm excited,because this is raw and real.
You guys know, who have beenlistening for a while, that on
this podcast, man, this is rawand real, this is real life.
This is the streets man.
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So when we talk on here, we'renot just making up nice positive
, psychological, self-helpbabble, we're bringing it to you
real demons, real pain, realtrauma and real victory.
And this is what John isbringing to us today is
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absolutely astounding victorythrough Jesus Christ and putting
in what he needed to put in.
So we're going to go ahead anddive in here, john, and let me
just start by asking you thisquestion what comes to mind when
you think back on yourdeliverance?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah, that's a great question.
I haven't really been thinkingabout my deliverance because
it's been about two years and Ithink, looking back, it's just
really powerful to think about.
I'm like, wow, it's been such atransformation because it was
God's grace, I think.
When I was where I was in atoxic relationship with my
parents and I was really I hadlack of energy and lack of
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momentum.
I was very stuck and I didn'tknow how to get out of it.
So I got to the point where thepain was great enough to force
me to change whatever direction,if that makes sense.
So I don't know where I was.
I think I was really depressedand I was wanting to move
forward in life, but I feltreally dark.
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I don't know how to explain it.
I was basically in my mom'sbasement, to put it that way,
and it was during COVID, and itwas hard to find a job and I was
struggling financially, I wasstruggling making friends and I
was struggling with hygienesomething basic as hygiene and
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feeding myself.
Certain times I was prettyoverweight too, so that as well.
So I was just like a reallydepressed place, if that makes
sense.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
So I was just like a really depressed place, if that
makes sense.
Yeah, and I think that's aninteresting point that you bring
out COVID, because I think thisis when we've seen a lot of
deliverance ministries come out,because people were trapped
with their demons, right.
So when you're active in lifeand you can get out and just
bring your demons with you,because when you're alone and I
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know many of you can relate tothis, right when you are alone
and the lights are out and it'stime for bed, how many of you
just lay there every night withracing thoughts of absolute
torment and cannot sleep unlessyou, you know, take melatonin or
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sleep aids or alcohol.
Many people fall into that.
And COVID, you couldn't getaway.
And this is one thing that youknow brought John to me is
because he started reallyidentifying John to me is
because he started reallyidentifying dude, I got demons,
I got to get rid of these things.
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So he did.
So you came, john, we wentthrough the exorcism process.
When did you truly realize thatyou were free?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah, I would say we had a couple of sessions two or
three maybe, trying to recallbut I was more free.
I would say I felt this is whatI felt, probably like 80% free
at the time, but I still hadsome demons and I think it was.
I kept the door open with atoxic relationship with my mom
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my mom Now I love my mom.
We just had this codependencyand it's cultural thing where
it's like a helicopter mom typeof thing and I was trying to I
don't know, I rely on her liketo take care of me with the
household stuff and she reliedme on other stuff.
So we had this kind of toxicrelationship that I didn't like
fully see at the time.
So I I wasn't completely freeand I maybe opened some more
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demons to that.
So I met some friends locallywho did deliverance and they
continued to do deliverance onme locally in person and I, and
then afterwards I was still inpain internally to the point
where I'm like I need to moveout.
And so when I moved out that'swhen I say I was like I felt
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like 95% free, 100% free to justgrow up.
I would have this preference tosay that I'm like 29.
So this happened when I wasabout 27.
So yeah, happened when I wasabout 27.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
So, yeah, I think you bring out a great point here,
which was what I mentioned inthe beginning, is getting rid of
toxic relationships, andoftentimes those are family
members, and getting rid ofdoesn't mean, you know,
completely cutting them off, butdistancing yourself so that you
can be free.
Demons love dysfunction infamily.
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They love codependency, theytransfer between codependency.
It's disgusting, it's appallingto me.
You know, I had to study thisas a social work major when I
was in university family systemsand that's where I really
started to understand how toxicfamilies can be.
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Open systems, closed systems,you know, open systems where
families are open to peoplecoming in and visiting and new
friends, right, the analogy backin social work back in the day
when I took it, was it's like anopen system is a pond that has
a stream coming into it so itkeeps bringing in freshness, so
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that staticness and the greengook won't grow on the pond.
And then a closed family systemis people who are closed.
They have no stream coming intothat pond, so the fish are dead
, floating the green gunks ontop of the pond and everything's
closed.
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So you got dysfunction.
And from an exorcistperspective, what does that mean
?
Molestation, rape, codependency, codependency, like what John
was explaining rejection,control, manipulation,
alcoholism, drugs.
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If you don't have anybodycoming into that house, to that
family, things are going to getdemonic real quick.
And again, people are born withgenerational curses.
So another thing I'd like tomention is I think that it's
really a positive thing for Johnto recognize that the toxic
relationship was keeping him inbondage and to continue
deliverance.
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I think that's key.
I've always mentioned toeverybody this is not a one and
done.
Deliverance, in my personalopinion, is ongoing until you
get to the point where you'relike I'm cool, whatever's
remaining I can live with Now.
So to me personally, I thinkdeliverance is ongoing.
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It's ongoing and it depends onhow much do you want to get rid
of.
Do you just want to get rid ofa little bit and then continue
on through life?
Do you want to go middle of theroad or do you want to go deep?
I went deep 14 months with DrLarson and I still go back a
couple times a year.
Anything comes up in me.
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I'm not letting them idiotsstay.
I'm going to get the legalright broke and they're going to
get kicked out.
It infuriates me because I don'twant them, and what's strange
to me is a lot of people wanttheir demons.
They love the seduction.
They love because they'reinsecure inside, so they love
the seduction.
They want to seduce women, theywant to seduce men, or they
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love the money.
They love mammon, so they don'twant to get it go.
They love the anger and hatred,you know, so they don't want to
let that go because they feeljustified.
I get all of that, but at theend of the day, jesus Christ
died on that cross for ourvictory and we owe it to Him to
get rid of these things.
We owe it to him to humbleourselves.
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Come to an exorcist, adeliverance minister, and say
you know what?
He died for my freedom.
I owe it to him and I'm gettingrid of these things.
Hallelujah, I tell you guys.
I preach myself happy here allthe time.
All right, all right, hold on.
(13:04):
Okay, I put my pulpit away.
John, let me come back to you.
How does your life compare nowto how it did before deliverance
?
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Wow, I would say the biggest change is definitely my
emotional and mental health is alot better, I would say, and
I'm physically healthier as wellas a result of that.
So I've been taking care ofmyself and my environment.
My finances got a lot better,whereas before you know, I I
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depended on my mom, like with,with most things, even just
emotional support and andeverything.
Now I can stand on my like owntwo feet, I'm more confident in
in the lord, with just dailythings, and I feel like I'm more
stable as a person, as anindividual, and I don't need
validation from externally,whether it's from my family
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member or people.
Now it's still, like you said,it's an ongoing thing
maintenance and discipline.
I think discipline is key afterdeliverance to keep the demons
out, and so I'm more disciplinedas well.
So there's so many, if you wantto call it, benefits, but you
got to keep the ball movingforward, because it's like the
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lake you got to have runningwater through it.
You have to be moving or it'sgoing to eventually become
stagnant and the lake will startattracting flies and demons.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
All good points, john , it's discipline and doing the
grit and doing what you need tostay free.
What has helped keep you freeover the past two years?
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah, there's a lot of tools for freedom.
The main tool, I would say, ismy having devotions.
So I do daily Bible readingfrom a 365-day Bible reading
plan and book form.
So I read that in the morningand I do some free Bible reading
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at night too, and doing prayerin between too.
So I think devotional is keybecause everything is a
spiritual battle and the HolySpirit can sense things better
than you do, like in terms ofwhat's around you, like what's
in the atmosphere, and he can,like protect you and give you
discernment Okay, don't go,don't have passed.
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I feel more conviction and Ithink that conviction really
prevents me from going places.
I shouldn't be going and doingthings I shouldn't be doing.
So that's one, and also, Iwould say, being busy.
I would say number two would bebeing really busy and also not
be too busy to the point whereyou forget about your
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relationship with God and people, but just being busy.
So you're not doing, you don'thave time to do what you're not
supposed to be doing.
So, yeah, there's and there'smany other, like I call it tools
to keep your freedom, but thoseare the two main that really
helped me personally.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
I think that's great, because you struggle with
isolation and a lot of peoplethat I work with do they isolate
when they're in emotional pain.
And what you're explaining is agreat practical tip on how to
fight against isolation.
And I tell clients this all thetime Go outside, get out of
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your bedroom, get out of yourhouse, go walk around, go
somewhere and get out.
This is how you fight isolation.
So if you're isolated, you wantto know how do I?
Yeah, I get it.
You're laying in bed.
You're unkept.
You feel like you're laying inmolasses.
You have no energy.
The depression is so bad youjust want to fall on your hands
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and knees and crawl toward thedoor to try to.
It takes every bit of energy tojust get out in the.
That's because you got demons.
Man John's a testimony here asto how he's able to stay out of
isolation because he wentthrough deliverance.
I don't let my demons stayaround.
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They're not going to have aparty on my expense.
This isn't like a free housewhere you can just stay and hang
out and smoke marijuana anddrink and have sex with girls
and all that.
No, this isn't party time.
This isn't a house.
This isn't a house where you'regoing to stay here and keep me
in bed, where I can't get out,and be isolated in utter pain,
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where your chest is so full ofanxiety and the pain, the pain,
dude.
How many times have I talkedwith people, myself included?
Remember, I went throughdeliverance 14 months.
I know what I'm talking about.
John knows what he's talkingabout.
You got to be willing to giveup your demons.
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Stop letting them have a partyin your head.
That's God's property.
You're a Christian.
That's God's property there.
That's not Satan's property.
He has a legal right but we canbreak that and get rid of him.
This is the year you feel me.
This is the year and also, justto let you know and I've been
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mentioning this on a littleblurb on the podcast, but if
you're wondering, is deliverancefor me?
Is it time you got questionsabout deliverance for me?
Is it time you got questionsabout deliverance?
I have a free 20-minuteconsultation now that I put up
because a lot of people aretimid about talking about this
stuff and that's the truth.
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They're like man.
People think I'm crazy.
So I'm like.
I'm going to put this out forpeople who are maybe shy,
insecure, timid, or for thosewho have tried everything to get
rid of demons on their own, theself-deliverance, different
deliverance ministries andthey're like dude, nothing's
helping.
There's a resource for you.
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Go to justindcom, forward,slash, help, fill out the form
and if it's a fit, I'll get backwith you and we'll schedule an
appointment and we'll flush itout and see what's going on.
So keep that in mind, john.
Back to you, though.
So staying out of isolation isso key, and I just want to
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commend you for that, because ittakes grit, it takes
willingness to get out of yourbed, to get out of your room and
go outside, and you've beendoing it.
Very practical A lot of times.
I think people think fightingdemons has to be always quoting
scripture, which is important,but there are practical ways you
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can fight demons, and he did itto Cut off the toxic
relationship with his mom.
That's practical.
It's getting rid of the demons,or isolation, going out,
staying busy Notice what he said, not to the point where it's
workaholism, which I can relateto, that I had workaholism like
crazy dude, but busy enough towhere isolation can't take root.
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John, you were mentioning thesetools that you're using.
You know the Word of Godstaying busy.
How has your prayer lifechanged since deliverance?
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Oh yeah, prayer life is definitely key as well.
I would say top one, top two.
I would tie it with devotiontoo.
I I work as a package deliveryguy so I, during my routes, I
pray a lot.
I think god one time told me totake out the airpods and to
really see god during my routesand just regular day life.
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If I'm doing chores around thehouse or something, I would just
communicate with God in myheart or sometimes verbally, and
I've been doing that for abouttwo years as well.
And at first all these thingstake sacrifice.
At first it's like going to thegym.
Going to the gym is, oh, Idon't want to do it, I don't
want to.
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It's too much, it's too much.
But then I like to see it asjust put the reps in, just put
the numbers in.
You don't need to have anoutcome, you don't need to be
like, oh, I need to feel thisway or that way after, just did
I do it or did I not do it?
And I try to keep it simple.
Like I need to think God wasvery judgmental of me.
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If I tell him all these secretsins I've been doing, he's going
to disown me or whatever.
But that's not true.
I heard somewhere that God seesthe worst of you already in the
future or whatever, and healready knows and he died for
your sins, he paid for your sinsand he loved you so much that
he took all this punishment.
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And so we can be.
How do you say brave enough tojust approach him boldly because
he's our father, if we acceptedhim as savior and so I've been
constantly in communication withhim and that just replaced that
isolation that I felt, thatloneliness that I felt, and I
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noticed that I'm just morehappier and people want to be
around me more, whereas before Iwas like super depressed.
So I would say my prayer lifedefinitely increased in volume a
lot.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
John.
I think that's awesome.
It's just the basics ofChristianity.
So prayer, prayer is essentialand it's not difficult, it's
just putting in the time.
And I mention this often whenpeople come for deliverance
sessions with me, I'll ask themthings like do you read your
Bible daily?
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No, okay.
Do you attend a churchregularly?
No, okay.
How are you expecting demons togo stay away?
Then, after we work throughthis and they get expelled
Because they're not, because itrequires effort, and I think
that's one of the most importantmessages that I want everyone
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to understand that when you comefor deliverance, it's a
lifestyle change.
This just isn't get rid of thedemons, and I continue doing
what I'm doing.
It takes a little bit of effortand John's put in that effort
and he's seeing the benefits ofit.
So, john, you're praying,you're reading your Bible.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Uh yeah.
So I'm more definitely willingto fight now compared to before,
two years ago, before I met you.
Two years before I met you, Ithe word fighting just really
puts me like, oh, such a drag,I'm not, I'm going to be
defeated, I'm going to, I'm noteven going to try, I'm just
going to let the enemy just hopover me, whereas now I'm like,
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I'm like in a position I know myposition in Christ where Christ
is so far above the enemy thatI'm like nope, I just by faith,
I'm not going to entertain thatthought, I'm not going to accept
that or be in agreement withthose evil thoughts Like, for
instance, I'm insecure or I'mnot enough to do what God wants
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me to do, All those lies.
Basically, you're fighting withlies every single day, and
that's why the word of God is soimportant.
You don't have the word of God.
Your offensive weapon is youdon't have an offensive weapon
and it says in the Bible thatyour faith is a shield.
So you need to have a simplelike a child, like back in the
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day when you were a child.
If someone told you you havethe propensity to just believe
what they're saying oh, santaClaus, like Santa Claus is real,
they come down your chimney andyou just believe it.
And you need to go back to thatstate where you just believe
what God says, not what anybodyelse says, but what the word of
God says over what you see inthis world.
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Yeah, so it's believing,walking by spirit and not by
sight.
And so when you're in thatstate of faith and you're
walking in authority of Christ,the enemy, he has no power over
you, none whatsoever, becausethe Bible said you're more than
a conqueror.
So I'm willing to fight and toguard what's going into my heart
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.
And yeah, so it's much like I'mmore, I appear more confident
and my voice is more alive.
I would say so definitely I'mwilling to put up a fight now.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
It's amazing to me, as a blind, listening to your
voice two years ago I listenedto our interview a little bit
two years ago and listening toyou now and the confidence that
the Lord has built inside of youover the past two years.
Many people are very insecurein life and they compensate that
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insecurity by overachievementor looks or whatever it is.
And God has brought a level ofsecurity in you.
He's worked on you from theinside out and that's really
what deliverance is.
It's removing the demons sothat God the potter, he's the
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potter, we're the clay so whenthose demons are gone, he could
begin to mold us into what hetruly wants us to be in life for
his purposes.
That's what's awesome, and youknow, john, you mentioned about
the confidence, but how do yousee yourself now as before?
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yeah, so I believe that I'm a child of God.
That's my.
If there's only one state thatI am, one sentence that I am a
son of God, lowercase s right,because that's who we are.
If we believe in Jesus Christand we believe the work that
he's done for us to save us fromour sins, so that's who we are
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truly and we're adopted.
So I'm adopted into his family,into a family of God.
There's so much weight to thatthat people don't understand.
And you look up in the starslike you see how big the
universe is and he made thissmall planet with billions and
billions of people and you lookat everything that's around you,
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all the technology that youhave.
God is the original creator ofthat and he called you his child
and he loves you so much.
So that's what I see more ofmyself on Now.
I do get attacks every singleday to make myself insecure, to
make myself vulnerable to theenemy, because the enemy is all
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around us, but I see myself as achild of God and from that
standpoint you become moreconfident, and not in ourselves,
because you know it's better,it's way more stronger to be
more confident in the Lord.
It's better, it's way morestronger, to be more confident
in the Lord, and you're going tobe confident by default because
you're secure and the personthat you're holding on to is
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much stronger than anything thatthis world can ever put in
front of you.
So, definitely, I see myself asa child of God and I see myself
as trying to represent who heis to people around me.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
That's awesome how many people struggle to
understand and accept thatthey're loved by God and that
they are a child of God.
I've went through that myself.
I think each of us have in life.
Right, it's the acceptance thatwe're loved, acceptance that
God created us for his purposesand that he actually cares.
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Many people wrestle with thatin life and this is a benefit of
deliverance that John'sexperiencing, that he's now able
to step into that, not justwith head understanding, like
hearing preaching about it, andbe like, yes, that's true, no,
but actually feeling it insideof himself, believing it.
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That's because the demons havebeen removed that were blocking
him from receiving this.
And, john, let me ask you whatfruit of the Spirit has grown
most in you, past deliverancefruit or fruits?
Speaker 2 (29:36):
yeah, that's a great question.
I would say definitely.
Out of all the nine fruitcharacteristics, I would say
self-discipline or self-controldefinitely increased the most
from what I've observed.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
That's huge.
That is huge Temperance,self-control.
I'm thinking of my life, dude,when you're sharing that.
Guys, think of our lives, howout of control we are in
different areas.
And sometimes that's justpsychological patterns that's
been deeply ingrained in us overlife, but oftentimes it's
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demon-induced.
Oftentimes it's demon-inducedand this is what John's
benefiting from.
Deliverance here is now.
He doesn't have weeds growingin there with the fruit, the
demons have been removed.
Now he's got that temperance,the self-control, the discipline
(30:35):
, getting out of the isolation,all of these things he's
experiencing because he humbledhimself, came for deliverance
and now he's walking in a levelof freedom and peace, albeit
there is warfare.
Demons just don't go away.
They come back around and tryto get back in.
They're never creative in thesense they're always going to
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target the same areas.
They might be creative on howthey target, but they're always
going to target the same areas.
And we simply have to do whatthe book of James says Submit to
God All areas of our life,submit to God, resist the devil,
then he will flee.
So, number one submit to God.
Number two resist the devil.
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That's emotional strain.
That's the fight right there.
I am not going to smoke themarijuana, I am not going to
stay in this room in isolation.
I am no longer holding on tothis offense and anger and
resentment toward my whoeverright Friend, father, mother,
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ex-spouse, etc.
Etc.
Cleaning that inside up,cleaning it up, not allowing
Satan to get back in and hamperthe growth of the fruit of the
Spirit.
We talked about tools.
John, are you connected to achurch or a community?
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yes, I am.
I go to church on a regularbasis and I serve at my church
as working on a pro-presenterand the cameras, so it's a local
church pretty close by.
I try to interact with thepeople even outside of church.
I think that's important too.
Yeah, so that really helped too.
That really helped too.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
And I think it's awesome that you mentioned
you're plugged into church.
Many are not, and I get it.
It's hard to find a church intoday's culture and climate
that's really preaching the trueWord of God, but they are
available and they are there.
You just have to look.
But John is not only attendingchurch.
But here's the key that stuckout to me.
(32:44):
What you said, john, is you'reserving, and I think that's
important because a lot of times, when it comes to being freed
from demons, being a servant isa great way, especially at a
local church, even if that'sbeing a greeter at the door,
even if that's saying, hey, I'mgoing to volunteer to clean the
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church on Saturdays.
Or John, helping with the videoproduction and the audio.
By serving it helps minimizethe demons and the level of
attack that they can have.
They hate servanthood becauseJesus Christ was a servant.
Now I understand that some ofyou listening have been servants
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to abusive people and all that.
That's not what we're talkingabout.
Like you've been controlled.
Some of you even have beenspiritually abused in churches
through controlling pastors andso forth.
That's not what we're talkingabout.
We're talking about somebodythat goes to a quote-unquote
healthy church where you canserve and do something.
I think it's essential.
(33:46):
But again, I go back to howmany come for deliverance and
they don't go to church, theydon't read their Bible every day
, but yet they want to be freeand John is illustrating to us
here, two years after hisdeliverance, the things he—this
is wonderful.
I went and I mentioned this, theother podcast.
(34:08):
If I was 25 years old and I hada resource like this to listen
and understand what it takes tobe freed from demons, oh my gosh
, my whole life would have beendifferent, because at 25, I
picked 25 because that's likethe mid of your prime, so to
speak my whole life would haveunfolded drastically different.
(34:28):
And you have this opportunity,friend, you who have been
listening for a while, hesitantto get rid of your demons.
Listen, you have this at yourfingertips.
I didn't.
I suffered for 30 years withdemons because I didn't have the
help that I needed.
You do my encouragement, takeadvantage of it.
(34:49):
So, john, we've been talkingabout practical things, of
maintaining deliverance.
I know in our first interviewyou were going to pursue IT.
How has your IT pursuit beengoing?
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Oh yeah, it's been a slow and steady journey.
Now the economy there's been,honestly, a lot of layoffs with,
even within the tech economy,but I definitely improved my
skills in software and a littlebit of hardware too.
Right now, thankfully, workingwith a client I'm building his
website with functionalitiesthat requires custom code.
(35:28):
So I'm building that and it'sbeen pretty fun.
I'm getting paid doing it aswell.
Also, have other jobopportunities even in this
economy that we have, and somaybe making a lot of progress,
and I've been going at it likepretty regularly studying on my
own even after my full-time job.
So I see this as a long-termthing.
(35:51):
Whatever God wants to do withit.
They'll open doors, he'll closedoors.
So, yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
I just picked up on there.
You had mentioned that you havea full-time job, Thank you,
Jesus, and this is in additionto that, and so that's wonderful
.
A lot of times, demons stifle,restrict and cause people to be
in poverty, and John wasexperiencing that before
deliverance and afterdeliverance.
(36:18):
He's had a full-time job fortwo years and he's been doing
his IT work on the side andpicking up money on the side,
all led by the Lord.
Another benefit of deliveranceNow, John didn't come to get
delivered so he could make money.
So if that's what you'rehearing, that's not the message.
(36:40):
The message is, because he gotrid of his demons and he loves
Jesus Christ with his wholeheart and money doesn't own him
that Jesus is blessing himfinancially.
He's doing what needs to bedone.
This is great.
Good job, John.
You know you got all of thesebenefits of Jesus Christ.
(37:00):
Thank you, Lord.
I experienced these and many ofyou do.
John, at this point, do youfeel like you're walking in your
purpose for God?
Speaker 2 (37:09):
At this point, yeah, yeah, more so compared to two
years ago.
Now there are some areas that,personally, talking with the
Lord, where does he want me todo Now?
Give me some picture of likereal long-term subjects that he
wants me to tackle towards.
But I also want to, because Idon't want to rely on my
strength, so I'm taking it dayby day.
(37:31):
I think the key thing is makesure you're in continual
relationship with God throughreading your word and prayer
Very basic stuff, but it's thelifeblood of your relationship
with God through reading yourword and prayer Very basic stuff
, but it's the lifeblood of yourrelationship with God and he'll
guide you.
He'll make it very smoothexperience.
And another thing is time.
Sometimes God wants you to justwait on him and it's literally
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time, and during those times hewants you to do what you're
supposed to be doing, at thesame time relying on him for the
outcome.
Like this client that I had, Iwasn't even looking for a client
, just came to my doorstep andthank God for that.
I didn't have to do likemarketing all these marketing
that from a business world theydo to find clients.
(38:16):
It just came towards me and itwas because I let go of the area
financially, that God was like,okay, money doesn't really have
your heart at this moment.
So you know, I'm going to openthat door for you.
So that's how it goes sometimes.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Very true.
Letting go and letting God.
I think.
I think that's key, John, thisis great, this is great man.
What would you say to the oldyou two years ago?
So here we are today, two yearspast your deliverance, Looking
back.
What would you say to the oldyou two years ago?
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Things get better.
Things get better.
I realized why part of me wasso depressed at the time.
I understand why you were sodepressed Now, looking back.
It's because you feel like onearth you're going to go to
heaven.
You're going to go to heavenand heaven is going to be
amazing, but God, like you can.
The kingdom of God is withinyou and there's so much hope,
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even in the land of the living.
The Bible says I would have lostheart unless I believe that
there's hope in the land of theliving, meaning God can work in
and through you and you'll seethings manifest if you have
faith in him and trust in himcontinually, and things will
manifest.
Because at the time you thinkthat, oh, god doesn't want you
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to be happy.
God doesn't want you to havethis, god doesn't want you to
have this.
God doesn't want you to havethat In constraint.
God does want you to have,wants you to be happy.
God does want you to prosper.
And that was a deception that Ibelieve that God doesn't want
me to prosper at all.
He wants me to just be poor.
He just wants me to be in myroom all day like praying and
(40:00):
not doing anything else.
God does want you to expand hiskingdom in full reliance on him
.
So know that things are going toget better.
There's so much hope.
You know hope is oxygen.
You got to trust in Jesus.
That is your hope, not anyanything else.
Everything else is is notreliable.
(40:20):
Look at the stock market.
It's so volatile right now.
Look at crypto and all thisstuff and people are very fickle
.
Unfortunately, so am I.
You can't place anything fulltrust except for Jesus, and so
know that things are going toget better.
Keep doing what you got to doand just keep reaching out to
keep seeking the kingdom of God,like you're doing right now,
(40:41):
where you're reaching out toJustin for deliverance, reaching
out to him, and I'm telling youthings are going to get better.
At the other side, you'll feelsatisfied.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
That's awesome, isn't that great guys?
He's literally looking back twoyears ago, talking to that
person two years ago and sharingthat there is hope and notice.
He was bound in poverty.
John was under a generationalcurse of poverty.
He had two generational cursesof poverty that we broke off of
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his life through the compassion,mercy and authority of Jesus
Christ, and when thosegenerational curses of poverty
were broken, he was able to thencome out of the mindset that
the demons had him in.
God doesn't want you to haveanything.
Stay in the basement inisolation with us here.
(41:39):
John, have a piece of cake?
Can I get you a cup of coffee?
Come on into isolation, let'sjust stay here and hang out.
Be poor.
This is what demons do.
They stay in your head, theyafflict you, they vex you.
Don't give them a place to stay.
Kick them out, and John did.
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Place to stay.
Kick him out, and John did.
That's awesome, guys.
I think we've covered enough toreally show the awesome
restoring hand of Jesus Christon John's life.
I pray that you have foundgreat encouragement from hearing
from John.
Many times I work with people,they go through exorcism.
(42:20):
Some of them get in touch andshoot me an email hey, I'm doing
great thanks, things like that,but oftentimes they don't.
They move on and that's fine.
But John has remained in touch.
Every month or two he'll shootan email and it's just been
amazing to me to see thestability come into his life,
the financial blessings that Godhas brought in him, and to see
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this young man putting forth theeffort that's required for
freedom.
And there are some of youlistening that are my age I'm 52
and unwilling to put in anyeffort and unwilling to put in
any effort.
This is who I am.
Take it or leave it.
(43:05):
I'm not doing it.
Give me my Marlboro cigarettesand give me another cup of that
black coffee.
I'm not doing anything Right.
This is who I am.
I've been through trauma inlife.
Don't tell me I got to get ridof my demons.
(43:25):
If I want to keep them, I'mgoing to keep them.
Guys, you know I love to joke,man.
I'm sorry, but this ishysterical, because there's many
people who listen.
Maybe they're not smokingMarlboro Reds and drinking black
coffee, but they're doingdifferent things to cope with
the pain, to cope with thedemons, and they just don't want
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to improve.
They want to stay stuck in life, and John did not want to stay
stuck in life.
He got out of this two yearsago.
He's 29 years old now and he'sfreed from demons and his whole
life is going to be completelydifferent.
Oh, john, congratulations, man,congratulations.
(44:10):
I'm so excited for you.
You've got your whole lifeahead of you, freed from these
demons, living for Jesus Christ,doing what's necessary to stay
free.
You're going to have a greatlife and, again, I wish somebody
would have helped me in thisway when I was 25 years old.
My life would have beendrastically different, not being
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stressed and strained by demonsinfluencing decisions,
influencing my life.
Thank you, lord, for freeingJohn.
Thank you for freeing me andfor those of you listening who
have been freed.
Amen.
This is what this is about, man.
This is why I got the podcast,so that we can all come to an
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understanding what does it meanto have demons and what does it
mean to walk in freedom, andtoday was a great episode to
really illustrate it concretelybefore everyone.
This is freedom right here.
This is freedom, and I inviteyou to reach out to me, man.
I invite you to reach out to meand let's see if it's a good
(45:18):
fit to start working together.
John, I want to come back toyou just for one more question,
one more thought here as weclose.
What do you want to say tosomeone listening that still
feels hopeless?
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Yeah, I'll come back to what I said to myself two
years ago there is hope.
It is a lie that there's nohope.
Just believe in that.
It's all about mindset andchoosing what.
You have a choice to have whatyou want to believe or what you
don't want to believe it.
So if you want to be free andif you want to have a more
(45:56):
joyous life, then you got tobelieve that there is hope and
you have a choice to believethat and keep holding on to that
belief that there is hope outthere for you.
There's so much hope.
Look around you.
If you live in America, mostpeople around the world they
live 75%.
(46:17):
I don't know the exact number,but 75% of world lives like $2 a
day or less.
So if you're in America rightnow, you're basically living
like kings and queens.
So it's all about mindset andagreeing with God's word and
over time, over years, it'sgoing to take time, it's going
to take a lot of effort, buttake it day by day.
(46:39):
When you take it day by day,it's a lot easier, right?
Oh, I just need to get one moreday, get through one more day.
And so the biggest thing is tohave faith, meaning you need to
believe that there is hope outthere and his name is Jesus and
you got to believe that thingsare going to get better and
you've got to walk in this roadthat God sets out before you.
(47:00):
To summarize, it's all abouthaving faith in Jesus, who is
the living hope, and placingcontinual faith in him
throughout your day.
It's not okay.
I placed faith in him once andit's done.
It's constant trusting in himand he'll lead you, he'll guide
you to a better place.
(47:20):
He's our shepherd.
And then number two I would sayis taking responsibility for
yourself.
When I was in that state ofdepression and just inner
turmoil, poverty even, I had abig hand in that.
I had a big hand in allowingthose demons to wreak havoc in
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my life and restraining me fromwhat God wants me to do.
And I have to takeresponsibility, be like, okay,
this is the part I play and goforward from that, because I
think a lot of people nowadays,maybe in the Western world, they
don't take responsibility.
They like to point fingers oh,is this demon, that demon world?
They don't take responsibility.
They like to point fingers.
Oh, is this demon, that demon?
Yeah, yeah, it's definitelythat demon, but there was a door
(48:05):
that was open, and when youtake responsibility, you're more
able to be responsible, anddiscipline is tied to being
responsible for your life.
God gave you your life tosteward it.
Welcome back, my friend.
Thank you so much for tuning in, as always.
I'm thrilled that you'vedecided to take the time to
check out this episode.
And this is the Blind Exorcist.
I am Justin D, your host, andthis is episode 31.
This episode is really cool.
(00:24):
I've brought back John fromepisode 11.
Now, if you've not listenedtokept, unbathed, undisciplined
(00:52):
this is all in episode 11.
Two years later, I bring themback to share what true success
looks like post-deliverance.
This is amazing.
We're going to step into John'slife here, two years past him
going through an exorcism, andsee just how does this unfold in
(01:14):
practical ways in someone'slife.
You guys have been with me fora while.
You've heard these testimonies.
This is the first time I'veever brought somebody back after
they've walked for two years infreedom.
This is amazing.
This is the benefits that you,my friend, can receive after
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going through deliverance.
This is going to be amazing.
I'm so excited for this.
Now I live in Ohio, so we are inthat weird April, may, spring.
It's like this dude, in themorning you're in a hoodie with
the furnace on.
In the afternoon you are inshorts and a t-shirt and the air
conditioner on.
Then in the evening you're backto heat and back in the hoodie
(01:59):
and sweatpants.
So if you live in Michigan orPennsylvania or Ohio, you all
know exactly what I'm talkingabout.
So, anyhow, because of thesedrastic temperature changes,
people get sick and get chestcolds, and I got a chest cold.
So in this episode I sound likeI've smoked cigarettes for 45
(02:24):
years of my life and I've livedon whiskey.
Okay, but I just wanted to letyou know that's why I sound
different.
It's all intelligible.
It all sounds great.
You're going to get a lot ofvalue out of it, but I just
wanted to let you know oldJustin D had a cold during this
episode.
If you find this episodeinspiring, helpful, valuable in
(02:48):
any way, I'd encourage you totap on support the show in the
show notes.
Any amount helps.
Thank you, I'm so excited todive into this.
Let's just jump in.
Let's go, john.
Welcome back to the BlindExorcist.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Thank you for having me back.
It's been two years and I'mlooking forward to our interview
.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Me too, man, and what I'm very excited about is to
really show what Jesus Christhas done for your life and for
your commitment to Christ.
You've done what is required tomaintain your freedom, and I
think that's so important,because a lot of times people
come to me or other exorcistsand they sit down across from me
(03:41):
as an example and they'rebasically saying, without saying
, fix me.
In other words, I'm not goingto do anything, but you remove
the demons and then they leaveand they continue in the same
lifestyle.
They keep the same toxicrelationships, they don't stay
(04:01):
in their Bible daily, they don'tattend church regularly, but
yet they want their pain to goaway.
And it doesn't work that way.
And this is why I'm excited,because this is raw and real.
You guys know, who have beenlistening for a while, that on
this podcast, man, this is rawand real, this is real life.
This is the streets man.
(04:21):
So when we talk on here, we'renot just making up nice positive
, psychological, self-helpbabble, we're bringing it to you
real demons, real pain, realtrauma and real victory.
And this is what John isbringing to us today is
(04:43):
absolutely astounding victorythrough Jesus Christ and putting
in what he needed to put in.
So we're going to go ahead anddive in here, john, and let me
just start by asking you thisquestion what comes to mind when
you think back on yourdeliverance?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah, that's a great question.
I haven't really been thinkingabout my deliverance because
it's been about two years and Ithink, looking back, it's just
really powerful to think about.
I'm like, wow, it's been such atransformation because it was
God's grace, I think.
When I was where I was in atoxic relationship with my
parents and I was really I hadlack of energy and lack of
(05:29):
momentum.
I was very stuck and I didn'tknow how to get out of it.
So I got to the point where thepain was great enough to force
me to change whatever direction,if that makes sense.
So I don't know where I was.
I think I was really depressedand I was wanting to move
forward in life, but I feltreally dark.
(05:53):
I don't know how to explain it.
I was basically in my mom'sbasement, to put it that way,
and it was during COVID, and itwas hard to find a job and I was
struggling financially, I wasstruggling making friends and I
was struggling with hygienesomething basic as hygiene and
(06:14):
feeding myself.
Certain times I was prettyoverweight too, so that as well.
So I was just like a reallydepressed place, if that makes
sense.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
So I was just like a really depressed place, if that
makes sense.
Yeah, and I think that's aninteresting point that you bring
out COVID, because I think thisis when we've seen a lot of
deliverance ministries come out,because people were trapped
with their demons, right.
So when you're active in lifeand you can get out and just
bring your demons with you,because when you're alone and I
(06:46):
know many of you can relate tothis, right when you are alone
and the lights are out and it'stime for bed, how many of you
just lay there every night withracing thoughts of absolute
torment and cannot sleep unlessyou, you know, take melatonin or
(07:09):
sleep aids or alcohol.
Many people fall into that.
And COVID, you couldn't getaway.
And this is one thing that youknow brought John to me is
because he started reallyidentifying John to me is
because he started reallyidentifying dude, I got demons,
I got to get rid of these things.
(07:29):
So he did.
So you came, john, we wentthrough the exorcism process.
When did you truly realize thatyou were free?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah, I would say we had a couple of sessions two or
three maybe, trying to recallbut I was more free.
I would say I felt this is whatI felt, probably like 80% free
at the time, but I still hadsome demons and I think it was.
I kept the door open with atoxic relationship with my mom
(08:06):
my mom Now I love my mom.
We just had this codependencyand it's cultural thing where
it's like a helicopter mom typeof thing and I was trying to I
don't know, I rely on her liketo take care of me with the
household stuff and she reliedme on other stuff.
So we had this kind of toxicrelationship that I didn't like
fully see at the time.
So I I wasn't completely freeand I maybe opened some more
(08:28):
demons to that.
So I met some friends locallywho did deliverance and they
continued to do deliverance onme locally in person and I, and
then afterwards I was still inpain internally to the point
where I'm like I need to moveout.
And so when I moved out that'swhen I say I was like I felt
(08:52):
like 95% free, 100% free to justgrow up.
I would have this preference tosay that I'm like 29.
So this happened when I wasabout 27.
So yeah, happened when I wasabout 27.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
So, yeah, I think you bring out a great point here,
which was what I mentioned inthe beginning, is getting rid of
toxic relationships, andoftentimes those are family
members, and getting rid ofdoesn't mean, you know,
completely cutting them off, butdistancing yourself so that you
can be free.
Demons love dysfunction infamily.
(09:25):
They love codependency, theytransfer between codependency.
It's disgusting, it's appallingto me.
You know, I had to study thisas a social work major when I
was in university family systemsand that's where I really
started to understand how toxicfamilies can be.
(09:47):
Open systems, closed systems,you know, open systems where
families are open to peoplecoming in and visiting and new
friends, right, the analogy backin social work back in the day
when I took it, was it's like anopen system is a pond that has
a stream coming into it so itkeeps bringing in freshness, so
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that staticness and the greengook won't grow on the pond.
And then a closed family systemis people who are closed.
They have no stream coming intothat pond, so the fish are dead
, floating the green gunks ontop of the pond and everything's
closed.
(10:32):
So you got dysfunction.
And from an exorcistperspective, what does that mean
?
Molestation, rape, codependency, codependency, like what John
was explaining rejection,control, manipulation,
alcoholism, drugs.
(10:57):
If you don't have anybodycoming into that house, to that
family, things are going to getdemonic real quick.
And again, people are born withgenerational curses.
So another thing I'd like tomention is I think that it's
really a positive thing for Johnto recognize that the toxic
relationship was keeping him inbondage and to continue
deliverance.
(11:17):
I think that's key.
I've always mentioned toeverybody this is not a one and
done.
Deliverance, in my personalopinion, is ongoing until you
get to the point where you'relike I'm cool, whatever's
remaining I can live with Now.
So to me personally, I thinkdeliverance is ongoing.
(11:39):
It's ongoing and it depends onhow much do you want to get rid
of.
Do you just want to get rid ofa little bit and then continue
on through life?
Do you want to go middle of theroad or do you want to go deep?
I went deep 14 months with DrLarson and I still go back a
couple times a year.
Anything comes up in me.
(12:00):
I'm not letting them idiotsstay.
I'm going to get the legalright broke and they're going to
get kicked out.
It infuriates me because I don'twant them, and what's strange
to me is a lot of people wanttheir demons.
They love the seduction.
They love because they'reinsecure inside, so they love
the seduction.
They want to seduce women, theywant to seduce men, or they
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love the money.
They love mammon, so they don'twant to get it go.
They love the anger and hatred,you know, so they don't want to
let that go because they feeljustified.
I get all of that, but at theend of the day, jesus Christ
died on that cross for ourvictory and we owe it to Him to
get rid of these things.
We owe it to him to humbleourselves.
(12:44):
Come to an exorcist, adeliverance minister, and say
you know what?
He died for my freedom.
I owe it to him and I'm gettingrid of these things.
Hallelujah, I tell you guys.
I preach myself happy here allthe time.
All right, all right, hold on.
(13:04):
Okay, I put my pulpit away.
John, let me come back to you.
How does your life compare nowto how it did before deliverance
?
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Wow, I would say the biggest change is definitely my
emotional and mental health is alot better, I would say, and
I'm physically healthier as wellas a result of that.
So I've been taking care ofmyself and my environment.
My finances got a lot better,whereas before you know, I I
(13:46):
depended on my mom, like with,with most things, even just
emotional support and andeverything.
Now I can stand on my like owntwo feet, I'm more confident in
in the lord, with just dailythings, and I feel like I'm more
stable as a person, as anindividual, and I don't need
validation from externally,whether it's from my family
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member or people.
Now it's still, like you said,it's an ongoing thing
maintenance and discipline.
I think discipline is key afterdeliverance to keep the demons
out, and so I'm more disciplinedas well.
So there's so many, if you wantto call it, benefits, but you
got to keep the ball movingforward, because it's like the
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lake you got to have runningwater through it.
You have to be moving or it'sgoing to eventually become
stagnant and the lake will startattracting flies and demons.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
All good points, john , it's discipline and doing the
grit and doing what you need tostay free.
What has helped keep you freeover the past two years?
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah, there's a lot of tools for freedom.
The main tool, I would say, ismy having devotions.
So I do daily Bible readingfrom a 365-day Bible reading
plan and book form.
So I read that in the morningand I do some free Bible reading
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at night too, and doing prayerin between too.
So I think devotional is keybecause everything is a
spiritual battle and the HolySpirit can sense things better
than you do, like in terms ofwhat's around you, like what's
in the atmosphere, and he can,like protect you and give you
discernment Okay, don't go,don't have passed.
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I feel more conviction and Ithink that conviction really
prevents me from going places.
I shouldn't be going and doingthings I shouldn't be doing.
So that's one, and also, Iwould say, being busy.
I would say number two would bebeing really busy and also not
be too busy to the point whereyou forget about your
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relationship with God and people, but just being busy.
So you're not doing, you don'thave time to do what you're not
supposed to be doing.
So, yeah, there's and there'smany other, like I call it tools
to keep your freedom, but thoseare the two main that really
helped me personally.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
I think that's great, because you struggle with
isolation and a lot of peoplethat I work with do they isolate
when they're in emotional pain.
And what you're explaining is agreat practical tip on how to
fight against isolation.
And I tell clients this all thetime Go outside, get out of
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your bedroom, get out of yourhouse, go walk around, go
somewhere and get out.
This is how you fight isolation.
So if you're isolated, you wantto know how do I?
Yeah, I get it.
You're laying in bed.
You're unkept.
You feel like you're laying inmolasses.
You have no energy.
The depression is so bad youjust want to fall on your hands
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and knees and crawl toward thedoor to try to.
It takes every bit of energy tojust get out in the.
That's because you got demons.
Man John's a testimony here asto how he's able to stay out of
isolation because he wentthrough deliverance.
I don't let my demons stayaround.
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They're not going to have aparty on my expense.
This isn't like a free housewhere you can just stay and hang
out and smoke marijuana anddrink and have sex with girls
and all that.
No, this isn't party time.
This isn't a house.
This isn't a house where you'regoing to stay here and keep me
in bed, where I can't get out,and be isolated in utter pain,
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where your chest is so full ofanxiety and the pain, the pain,
dude.
How many times have I talkedwith people, myself included?
Remember, I went throughdeliverance 14 months.
I know what I'm talking about.
John knows what he's talkingabout.
You got to be willing to giveup your demons.
(18:10):
Stop letting them have a partyin your head.
That's God's property.
You're a Christian.
That's God's property there.
That's not Satan's property.
He has a legal right but we canbreak that and get rid of him.
This is the year you feel me.
This is the year and also, justto let you know and I've been
(18:33):
mentioning this on a littleblurb on the podcast, but if
you're wondering, is deliverancefor me?
Is it time you got questionsabout deliverance for me?
Is it time you got questionsabout deliverance?
I have a free 20-minuteconsultation now that I put up
because a lot of people aretimid about talking about this
stuff and that's the truth.
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They're like man.
People think I'm crazy.
So I'm like.
I'm going to put this out forpeople who are maybe shy,
insecure, timid, or for thosewho have tried everything to get
rid of demons on their own, theself-deliverance, different
deliverance ministries andthey're like dude, nothing's
helping.
There's a resource for you.
(19:14):
Go to justindcom, forward,slash, help, fill out the form
and if it's a fit, I'll get backwith you and we'll schedule an
appointment and we'll flush itout and see what's going on.
So keep that in mind, john.
Back to you, though.
So staying out of isolation isso key, and I just want to
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commend you for that, because ittakes grit, it takes
willingness to get out of yourbed, to get out of your room and
go outside, and you've beendoing it.
Very practical A lot of times.
I think people think fightingdemons has to be always quoting
scripture, which is important,but there are practical ways you
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can fight demons, and he did itto Cut off the toxic
relationship with his mom.
That's practical.
It's getting rid of the demons,or isolation, going out,
staying busy Notice what he said, not to the point where it's
workaholism, which I can relateto, that I had workaholism like
crazy dude, but busy enough towhere isolation can't take root.
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John, you were mentioning thesetools that you're using.
You know the Word of Godstaying busy.
How has your prayer lifechanged since deliverance?
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Oh yeah, prayer life is definitely key as well.
I would say top one, top two.
I would tie it with devotiontoo.
I I work as a package deliveryguy so I, during my routes, I
pray a lot.
I think god one time told me totake out the airpods and to
really see god during my routesand just regular day life.
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If I'm doing chores around thehouse or something, I would just
communicate with God in myheart or sometimes verbally, and
I've been doing that for abouttwo years as well.
And at first all these thingstake sacrifice.
At first it's like going to thegym.
Going to the gym is, oh, Idon't want to do it, I don't
want to.
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It's too much, it's too much.
But then I like to see it asjust put the reps in, just put
the numbers in.
You don't need to have anoutcome, you don't need to be
like, oh, I need to feel thisway or that way after, just did
I do it or did I not do it?
And I try to keep it simple.
Like I need to think God wasvery judgmental of me.
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If I tell him all these secretsins I've been doing, he's going
to disown me or whatever.
But that's not true.
I heard somewhere that God seesthe worst of you already in the
future or whatever, and healready knows and he died for
your sins, he paid for your sinsand he loved you so much that
he took all this punishment.
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And so we can be.
How do you say brave enough tojust approach him boldly because
he's our father, if we acceptedhim as savior and so I've been
constantly in communication withhim and that just replaced that
isolation that I felt, thatloneliness that I felt, and I
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noticed that I'm just morehappier and people want to be
around me more, whereas before Iwas like super depressed.
So I would say my prayer lifedefinitely increased in volume a
lot.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
John.
I think that's awesome.
It's just the basics ofChristianity.
So prayer, prayer is essentialand it's not difficult, it's
just putting in the time.
And I mention this often whenpeople come for deliverance
sessions with me, I'll ask themthings like do you read your
Bible daily?
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No, okay.
Do you attend a churchregularly?
No, okay.
How are you expecting demons togo stay away?
Then, after we work throughthis and they get expelled
Because they're not, because itrequires effort, and I think
that's one of the most importantmessages that I want everyone
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to understand that when you comefor deliverance, it's a
lifestyle change.
This just isn't get rid of thedemons, and I continue doing
what I'm doing.
It takes a little bit of effortand John's put in that effort
and he's seeing the benefits ofit.
So, john, you're praying,you're reading your Bible.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Uh yeah.
So I'm more definitely willingto fight now compared to before,
two years ago, before I met you.
Two years before I met you, Ithe word fighting just really
puts me like, oh, such a drag,I'm not, I'm going to be
defeated, I'm going to, I'm noteven going to try, I'm just
going to let the enemy just hopover me, whereas now I'm like,
(24:09):
I'm like in a position I know myposition in Christ where Christ
is so far above the enemy thatI'm like nope, I just by faith,
I'm not going to entertain thatthought, I'm not going to accept
that or be in agreement withthose evil thoughts Like, for
instance, I'm insecure or I'mnot enough to do what God wants
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me to do, All those lies.
Basically, you're fighting withlies every single day, and
that's why the word of God is soimportant.
You don't have the word of God.
Your offensive weapon is youdon't have an offensive weapon
and it says in the Bible thatyour faith is a shield.
So you need to have a simplelike a child, like back in the
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day when you were a child.
If someone told you you havethe propensity to just believe
what they're saying oh, santaClaus, like Santa Claus is real,
they come down your chimney andyou just believe it.
And you need to go back to thatstate where you just believe
what God says, not what anybodyelse says, but what the word of
God says over what you see inthis world.
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Yeah, so it's believing,walking by spirit and not by
sight.
And so when you're in thatstate of faith and you're
walking in authority of Christ,the enemy, he has no power over
you, none whatsoever, becausethe Bible said you're more than
a conqueror.
So I'm willing to fight and toguard what's going into my heart
(25:38):
.
And yeah, so it's much like I'mmore, I appear more confident
and my voice is more alive.
I would say so definitely I'mwilling to put up a fight now.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
It's amazing to me, as a blind, listening to your
voice two years ago I listenedto our interview a little bit
two years ago and listening toyou now and the confidence that
the Lord has built inside of youover the past two years.
Many people are very insecurein life and they compensate that
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insecurity by overachievementor looks or whatever it is.
And God has brought a level ofsecurity in you.
He's worked on you from theinside out and that's really
what deliverance is.
It's removing the demons sothat God the potter, he's the
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potter, we're the clay so whenthose demons are gone, he could
begin to mold us into what hetruly wants us to be in life for
his purposes.
That's what's awesome, and youknow, john, you mentioned about
the confidence, but how do yousee yourself now as before?
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yeah, so I believe that I'm a child of God.
That's my.
If there's only one state thatI am, one sentence that I am a
son of God, lowercase s right,because that's who we are.
If we believe in Jesus Christand we believe the work that
he's done for us to save us fromour sins, so that's who we are
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truly and we're adopted.
So I'm adopted into his family,into a family of God.
There's so much weight to thatthat people don't understand.
And you look up in the starslike you see how big the
universe is and he made thissmall planet with billions and
billions of people and you lookat everything that's around you,
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all the technology that youhave.
God is the original creator ofthat and he called you his child
and he loves you so much.
So that's what I see more ofmyself on Now.
I do get attacks every singleday to make myself insecure, to
make myself vulnerable to theenemy, because the enemy is all
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around us, but I see myself as achild of God and from that
standpoint you become moreconfident, and not in ourselves,
because you know it's better,it's way more stronger to be
more confident in the Lord.
It's better, it's way morestronger, to be more confident
in the Lord, and you're going tobe confident by default because
you're secure and the personthat you're holding on to is
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much stronger than anything thatthis world can ever put in
front of you.
So, definitely, I see myself asa child of God and I see myself
as trying to represent who heis to people around me.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
That's awesome how many people struggle to
understand and accept thatthey're loved by God and that
they are a child of God.
I've went through that myself.
I think each of us have in life.
Right, it's the acceptance thatwe're loved, acceptance that
God created us for his purposesand that he actually cares.
(28:56):
Many people wrestle with thatin life and this is a benefit of
deliverance that John'sexperiencing, that he's now able
to step into that, not justwith head understanding, like
hearing preaching about it, andbe like, yes, that's true, no,
but actually feeling it insideof himself, believing it.
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That's because the demons havebeen removed that were blocking
him from receiving this.
And, john, let me ask you whatfruit of the Spirit has grown
most in you, past deliverancefruit or fruits?
Speaker 2 (29:36):
yeah, that's a great question.
I would say definitely.
Out of all the nine fruitcharacteristics, I would say
self-discipline or self-controldefinitely increased the most
from what I've observed.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
That's huge.
That is huge Temperance,self-control.
I'm thinking of my life, dude,when you're sharing that.
Guys, think of our lives, howout of control we are in
different areas.
And sometimes that's justpsychological patterns that's
been deeply ingrained in us overlife, but oftentimes it's
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demon-induced.
Oftentimes it's demon-inducedand this is what John's
benefiting from.
Deliverance here is now.
He doesn't have weeds growingin there with the fruit, the
demons have been removed.
Now he's got that temperance,the self-control, the discipline
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, getting out of the isolation,all of these things he's
experiencing because he humbledhimself, came for deliverance
and now he's walking in a levelof freedom and peace, albeit
there is warfare.
Demons just don't go away.
They come back around and tryto get back in.
They're never creative in thesense they're always going to
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target the same areas.
They might be creative on howthey target, but they're always
going to target the same areas.
And we simply have to do whatthe book of James says Submit to
God All areas of our life,submit to God, resist the devil,
then he will flee.
So, number one submit to God.
Number two resist the devil.
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That's emotional strain.
That's the fight right there.
I am not going to smoke themarijuana, I am not going to
stay in this room in isolation.
I am no longer holding on tothis offense and anger and
resentment toward my whoeverright Friend, father, mother,
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ex-spouse, etc.
Etc.
Cleaning that inside up,cleaning it up, not allowing
Satan to get back in and hamperthe growth of the fruit of the
Spirit.
We talked about tools.
John, are you connected to achurch or a community?
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yes, I am.
I go to church on a regularbasis and I serve at my church
as working on a pro-presenterand the cameras, so it's a local
church pretty close by.
I try to interact with thepeople even outside of church.
I think that's important too.
Yeah, so that really helped too.
That really helped too.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
And I think it's awesome that you mentioned
you're plugged into church.
Many are not, and I get it.
It's hard to find a church intoday's culture and climate
that's really preaching the trueWord of God, but they are
available and they are there.
You just have to look.
But John is not only attendingchurch.
But here's the key that stuckout to me.
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What you said, john, is you'reserving, and I think that's
important because a lot of times, when it comes to being freed
from demons, being a servant isa great way, especially at a
local church, even if that'sbeing a greeter at the door,
even if that's saying, hey, I'mgoing to volunteer to clean the
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church on Saturdays.
Or John, helping with the videoproduction and the audio.
By serving it helps minimizethe demons and the level of
attack that they can have.
They hate servanthood becauseJesus Christ was a servant.
Now I understand that some ofyou listening have been servants
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to abusive people and all that.
That's not what we're talkingabout.
Like you've been controlled.
Some of you even have beenspiritually abused in churches
through controlling pastors andso forth.
That's not what we're talkingabout.
We're talking about somebodythat goes to a quote-unquote
healthy church where you canserve and do something.
I think it's essential.
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But again, I go back to howmany come for deliverance and
they don't go to church, theydon't read their Bible every day
, but yet they want to be freeand John is illustrating to us
here, two years after hisdeliverance, the things he—this
is wonderful.
I went and I mentioned this, theother podcast.
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If I was 25 years old and I hada resource like this to listen
and understand what it takes tobe freed from demons, oh my gosh
, my whole life would have beendifferent, because at 25, I
picked 25 because that's likethe mid of your prime, so to
speak my whole life would haveunfolded drastically different.
(34:28):
And you have this opportunity,friend, you who have been
listening for a while, hesitantto get rid of your demons.
Listen, you have this at yourfingertips.
I didn't.
I suffered for 30 years withdemons because I didn't have the
help that I needed.
You do my encouragement, takeadvantage of it.
(34:49):
So, john, we've been talkingabout practical things, of
maintaining deliverance.
I know in our first interviewyou were going to pursue IT.
How has your IT pursuit beengoing?
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Oh yeah, it's been a slow and steady journey.
Now the economy there's been,honestly, a lot of layoffs with,
even within the tech economy,but I definitely improved my
skills in software and a littlebit of hardware too.
Right now, thankfully, workingwith a client I'm building his
website with functionalitiesthat requires custom code.
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So I'm building that and it'sbeen pretty fun.
I'm getting paid doing it aswell.
Also, have other jobopportunities even in this
economy that we have, and somaybe making a lot of progress,
and I've been going at it likepretty regularly studying on my
own even after my full-time job.
So I see this as a long-termthing.
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Whatever God wants to do withit.
They'll open doors, he'll closedoors.
So, yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
I just picked up on there.
You had mentioned that you havea full-time job, Thank you,
Jesus, and this is in additionto that, and so that's wonderful
.
A lot of times, demons stifle,restrict and cause people to be
in poverty, and John wasexperiencing that before
deliverance and afterdeliverance.
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He's had a full-time job fortwo years and he's been doing
his IT work on the side andpicking up money on the side,
all led by the Lord.
Another benefit of deliveranceNow, John didn't come to get
delivered so he could make money.
So if that's what you'rehearing, that's not the message.
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The message is, because he gotrid of his demons and he loves
Jesus Christ with his wholeheart and money doesn't own him
that Jesus is blessing himfinancially.
He's doing what needs to bedone.
This is great.
Good job, John.
You know you got all of thesebenefits of Jesus Christ.
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Thank you, Lord.
I experienced these and many ofyou do.
John, at this point, do youfeel like you're walking in your
purpose for God?
Speaker 2 (37:09):
At this point, yeah, yeah, more so compared to two
years ago.
Now there are some areas that,personally, talking with the
Lord, where does he want me todo Now?
Give me some picture of likereal long-term subjects that he
wants me to tackle towards.
But I also want to, because Idon't want to rely on my
strength, so I'm taking it dayby day.
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I think the key thing is makesure you're in continual
relationship with God throughreading your word and prayer
Very basic stuff, but it's thelifeblood of your relationship
with God through reading yourword and prayer Very basic stuff
, but it's the lifeblood of yourrelationship with God and he'll
guide you.
He'll make it very smoothexperience.
And another thing is time.
Sometimes God wants you to justwait on him and it's literally
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time, and during those times hewants you to do what you're
supposed to be doing, at thesame time relying on him for the
outcome.
Like this client that I had, Iwasn't even looking for a client
, just came to my doorstep andthank God for that.
I didn't have to do likemarketing all these marketing
that from a business world theydo to find clients.
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It just came towards me and itwas because I let go of the area
financially, that God was like,okay, money doesn't really have
your heart at this moment.
So you know, I'm going to openthat door for you.
So that's how it goes sometimes.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Very true.
Letting go and letting God.
I think.
I think that's key, John, thisis great, this is great man.
What would you say to the oldyou two years ago?
So here we are today, two yearspast your deliverance, Looking
back.
What would you say to the oldyou two years ago?
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Things get better.
Things get better.
I realized why part of me wasso depressed at the time.
I understand why you were sodepressed Now, looking back.
It's because you feel like onearth you're going to go to
heaven.
You're going to go to heavenand heaven is going to be
amazing, but God, like you can.
The kingdom of God is withinyou and there's so much hope,
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even in the land of the living.
The Bible says I would have lostheart unless I believe that
there's hope in the land of theliving, meaning God can work in
and through you and you'll seethings manifest if you have
faith in him and trust in himcontinually, and things will
manifest.
Because at the time you thinkthat, oh, god doesn't want you
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to be happy.
God doesn't want you to havethis, god doesn't want you to
have this.
God doesn't want you to havethat In constraint.
God does want you to have,wants you to be happy.
God does want you to prosper.
And that was a deception that Ibelieve that God doesn't want
me to prosper at all.
He wants me to just be poor.
He just wants me to be in myroom all day like praying and
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not doing anything else.
God does want you to expand hiskingdom in full reliance on him
.
So know that things are going toget better.
There's so much hope.
You know hope is oxygen.
You got to trust in Jesus.
That is your hope, not anyanything else.
Everything else is is notreliable.
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Look at the stock market.
It's so volatile right now.
Look at crypto and all thisstuff and people are very fickle
.
Unfortunately, so am I.
You can't place anything fulltrust except for Jesus, and so
know that things are going toget better.
Keep doing what you got to doand just keep reaching out to
keep seeking the kingdom of God,like you're doing right now,
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where you're reaching out toJustin for deliverance, reaching
out to him, and I'm telling youthings are going to get better.
At the other side, you'll feelsatisfied.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
That's awesome, isn't that great guys?
He's literally looking back twoyears ago, talking to that
person two years ago and sharingthat there is hope and notice.
He was bound in poverty.
John was under a generationalcurse of poverty.
He had two generational cursesof poverty that we broke off of
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his life through the compassion,mercy and authority of Jesus
Christ, and when thosegenerational curses of poverty
were broken, he was able to thencome out of the mindset that
the demons had him in.
God doesn't want you to haveanything.
Stay in the basement inisolation with us here.
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John, have a piece of cake?
Can I get you a cup of coffee?
Come on into isolation, let'sjust stay here and hang out.
Be poor.
This is what demons do.
They stay in your head, theyafflict you, they vex you.
Don't give them a place to stay.
Kick them out, and John did.
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Place to stay.
Kick him out, and John did.
That's awesome, guys.
I think we've covered enough toreally show the awesome
restoring hand of Jesus Christon John's life.
I pray that you have foundgreat encouragement from hearing
from John.
Many times I work with people,they go through exorcism.
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Some of them get in touch andshoot me an email hey, I'm doing
great thanks, things like that,but oftentimes they don't.
They move on and that's fine.
But John has remained in touch.
Every month or two he'll shootan email and it's just been
amazing to me to see thestability come into his life,
the financial blessings that Godhas brought in him, and to see
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this young man putting forth theeffort that's required for
freedom.
And there are some of youlistening that are my age I'm 52
and unwilling to put in anyeffort and unwilling to put in
any effort.
This is who I am.
Take it or leave it.
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I'm not doing it.
Give me my Marlboro cigarettesand give me another cup of that
black coffee.
I'm not doing anything Right.
This is who I am.
I've been through trauma inlife.
Don't tell me I got to get ridof my demons.
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If I want to keep them, I'mgoing to keep them.
Guys, you know I love to joke,man.
I'm sorry, but this ishysterical, because there's many
people who listen.
Maybe they're not smokingMarlboro Reds and drinking black
coffee, but they're doingdifferent things to cope with
the pain, to cope with thedemons, and they just don't want
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to improve.
They want to stay stuck in life, and John did not want to stay
stuck in life.
He got out of this two yearsago.
He's 29 years old now and he'sfreed from demons and his whole
life is going to be completelydifferent.
Oh, john, congratulations, man,congratulations.
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I'm so excited for you.
You've got your whole lifeahead of you, freed from these
demons, living for Jesus Christ,doing what's necessary to stay
free.
You're going to have a greatlife and, again, I wish somebody
would have helped me in thisway when I was 25 years old.
My life would have beendrastically different, not being
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stressed and strained by demonsinfluencing decisions,
influencing my life.
Thank you, lord, for freeingJohn.
Thank you for freeing me andfor those of you listening who
have been freed.
Amen.
This is what this is about, man.
This is why I got the podcast,so that we can all come to an
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understanding what does it meanto have demons and what does it
mean to walk in freedom, andtoday was a great episode to
really illustrate it concretelybefore everyone.
This is freedom right here.
This is freedom, and I inviteyou to reach out to me, man.
I invite you to reach out to meand let's see if it's a good
(45:18):
fit to start working together.
John, I want to come back toyou just for one more question,
one more thought here as weclose.
What do you want to say tosomeone listening that still
feels hopeless?
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Yeah, I'll come back to what I said to myself two
years ago there is hope.
It is a lie that there's nohope.
Just believe in that.
It's all about mindset andchoosing what.
You have a choice to have whatyou want to believe or what you
don't want to believe it.
So if you want to be free andif you want to have a more
(45:56):
joyous life, then you got tobelieve that there is hope and
you have a choice to believethat and keep holding on to that
belief that there is hope outthere for you.
There's so much hope.
Look around you.
If you live in America, mostpeople around the world they
live 75%.
(46:17):
I don't know the exact number,but 75% of world lives like $2 a
day or less.
So if you're in America rightnow, you're basically living
like kings and queens.
So it's all about mindset andagreeing with God's word and
over time, over years, it'sgoing to take time, it's going
to take a lot of effort, buttake it day by day.
(46:39):
When you take it day by day,it's a lot easier, right?
Oh, I just need to get one moreday, get through one more day.
And so the biggest thing is tohave faith, meaning you need to
believe that there is hope outthere and his name is Jesus and
you got to believe that thingsare going to get better and
you've got to walk in this roadthat God sets out before you.
(47:00):
To summarize, it's all abouthaving faith in Jesus, who is
the living hope, and placingcontinual faith in him
throughout your day.
It's not okay.
I placed faith in him once andit's done.
It's constant trusting in himand he'll lead you, he'll guide
you to a better place.
(47:20):
He's our shepherd.
And then number two I would sayis taking responsibility for
yourself.
When I was in that state ofdepression and just inner
turmoil, poverty even, I had abig hand in that.
I had a big hand in allowingthose demons to wreak havoc in
(47:42):
my life and restraining me fromwhat God wants me to do.
And I have to takeresponsibility, be like, okay,
this is the part I play and goforward from that, because I
think a lot of people nowadays,maybe in the Western world, they
don't take responsibility.
They like to point fingers oh,is this demon, that demon world?
They don't take responsibility.
They like to point fingers.
Oh, is this demon, that demon?
Yeah, yeah, it's definitelythat demon, but there was a door
(48:05):
that was open, and when youtake responsibility, you're more
able to be responsible, anddiscipline is tied to being
responsible for your life.
God gave you your life tosteward it.
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