Can demons torment even the brightest minds in high-level government?
In this intense episode of The Blind Exorcist, I sit down with Michael—West Point and Harvard graduate, intelligence veteran, and committed Christian—who shares how early childhood trauma opened him up to demonic oppression. Despite his accomplishments, Michael carried soul wounds that demons exploited through rage, torment, and spiritual confusion.
Through the ministry of exorcism, Michael found peace, healing, and freedom in Jesus Christ. We dive into the hidden concept of soul fragmentation and how unresolved trauma creates entry points for spiritual oppression, even in highly intelligent believers.
📌 What you’ll discover in this episode:
✅ How demons target even the strong, successful, and intelligent
✅ The link between childhood trauma and demonic access
✅ What “soul fragments” or “parts” are—and how exorcism brings integration
✅ Why demons use anger and fear to gain a foothold
✅ Signs of demonic oppression in high-functioning individuals
✅ The powerful role of deliverance in emotional and spiritual healing
✅ How the authority of Christ restores identity and peace
This episode challenges the myth that exorcism is only for the broken—it’s for anyone seeking freedom from what hides beneath the surface.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
exposing the darkness , revealing the light.
Welcome to episode 22 of theBlind Exorcist podcast.
I'm Justin D, your host, and Iam so excited that you've
decided to tune in yet again andif you're new, welcome.
Welcome.
Today I have something awesome.
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I always say that because everyguest I have on here they are
awesome.
But today I bring somebody at alittle bit of a different
caliber, michael.
He is in intelligence, in thegovernment.
He has had quite the militarycareer being in intelligence.
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He's been in 90 countries andbecause of his career, because
of his identity, his credentials, obviously I'm going to seclude
his real name and his voice.
This is awesome.
Michael has a degree from WestPoint.
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He has a master's degree fromHarvard and another university I
forget which one that is.
We'll get to that Highlyintelligent.
He is gifted intellectually, heis gifted athletically and he
had demons.
Now, I love having Michael joinus because it shatters the
facade that people who aredemon-possessed are severely
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mentally impaired, they arehomeless, they are crazy, they
are all schizophrenic.
There's no such thing as demons.
I hope by now, if you've beenlistening for a while and if you
haven't and this is your firstepisode demons are real and
Michael is going to share withus yet again.
Another Christian,spirit-filled, got the Holy
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Spirit, all that and had demons.
Now you got to begin to askyourself if Justin's bringing on
these Christians they're allChristians 21 people I've had
the pleasure of interviewing andthere's a ton more coming plus
my own testimony If Justin hasbrought these people on and
they're Christians and they'resaying that they had demons In
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fact, one I actually played theexorcism for you Phoebe's story.
If you've not listened to that,check it out but there comes a
point in time where the argumentthat Christians cannot have
demons is simply disingenuous.
So if you want to listen to allof these testimonies and say
that these people are crazy,christians can't have demons,
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yada, yada, yada, it does nothold weight.
It does not.
And, michael, what are yougoing to say to somebody that's
in intelligence, in thegovernment, fluent in multiple
languages, highly educated,gifted intellectually,
athletically, et cetera, etcetera, and says that he has
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demons?
What are you going to say?
He's crazy.
What are you going to say?
He's something's wrong with him?
No, this is legitimately real.
The people that I have on thispodcast have demons and they're
all Christians.
This is why I started thispodcast so you guys could hear
intelligent, educated,sophisticated people who are
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Christians, who have demons.
It doesn't matter what yourlocal pastor says, all
Christians can't have demons andhalf their congregations
demonized Suffering Can't evenhelp them.
Pastors get sick of peoplecoming back with the same
problems all the time to getreal frustrated Like look, we've
already been through thisdepression, we've already been
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through the suicidal stuff.
You know, you got a problem.
I can't help you.
That's right.
You can't help them.
You know why?
Because it's demons and you'rein denial and people who have
demons.
Pastoral counseling can helpsome, therapeutic counseling can
help some, but you're missing akey ingredient.
Exorcism Got to expel thedemons, just like Jesus Christ
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did.
The argument that Christianscannot have demons is officially
debunked.
This message is approved byJustin Daubenmayer.
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Okay, so debunk baby out thedoor.
Michael is an amazing man of Godand he is just an amazing
person in general.
It's a sincere pleasure tointerview him.
We're going to talk some abouthis work in intelligence.
Obviously, we're just going tonip on it a little bit.
We can't go into great detail.
We do not want his coverexposed, so I would encourage
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you to share this out to anybodythat you know that's a
Christian that says Christianscannot have demons.
Let them hear this, beconfronted with truth and get
their thinking challenged.
So let's go ahead and get intothe interview.
You guys are going to reallyenjoy this.
Let's meet Michael.
Michael, welcome to the BlindExorcist.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Thank you for having me.
This is great.
I know this has been a longtime in the making and I'm
looking forward to thisconversation.
So thank you and I'm lookingforward to this conversation.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
So, thank you.
I'm excited to have somebody onthe podcast that has some
serious credentials Not thatother people have, not, they
absolutely have but you are myfirst military person that I've
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had the pleasure of interviewing, so welcome.
I'm excited and, folks, we'regoing to step through Michael's
life here and really share, pullback the curtain on his life so
that you can see intelligent,educated, sophisticated people
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can absolutely have demons.
So let's go ahead and just jumpinto this.
Michael, can you tell us alittle bit about?
Let's go back to your childhood.
I always like to start way backat the roots of the family,
because oftentimes this is wheredemons enter.
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People is in childhood, throughthe family structure, through
the dysfunction within familyunits.
Demons love to be transferredthrough dysfunction, codependent
bonds, poverty, function,codependent bonds, poverty,
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physical abuse, sexual abuse,neglect, etc.
Etc.
Most people will pick up demonsin their childhood.
They are also born withancestral curses resting on
their lives, and the third waypeople pick up demons is the
things that we do in life,whether ignorantly or willfully
Go see a psychic, get a tarotcard, whatever.
Okay, michael, let's hear aboutyour childhood.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
So I was born in New York and I had three brothers
and we grew up with I wouldn'tsay we're poor, but we grew up
in a one bedroom apartment.
We didn't have a whole lot andI was used to getting
hand-me-downs from my brothers.
Growing up I did see things.
As a child I saw what I thoughtwere ghosts and I as a child I
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did get.
I did get bites on my back as ayoung child, before the age of
10, scratches and bites and thatsort of thing.
So you know it was verydifficult studying but you know
I was very active in sports andI just found a way to get
serious with sports.
I lettered, I was captain of mytrack team, captain in
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wrestling, president of my classand all that and I had honors
in my schooling and I wanted toget out of my circumstances and
I had a relationship with Godand Jesus and I had no way to
pay for college.
I was always giftedintellectually.
I was always gifted as anathlete and even with leadership
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skills and I grew up real closeto West Point.
I fell in love with West Pointas a kid.
My dad took me up to thefootball games and that's the
place I always wanted to go.
I always wanted to be an armyofficer.
I just needed to get out of mycircumstances and I prayed to
God.
I said, hey, if you can get meout of my circumstances, get me
to West Point, give me a newchance, a new start, that I'll
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do whatever you want me to do.
And that's how my journey began.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
It's interesting that you've seen ghosts as a child.
You've had bite and scratchmarks Again very common symptoms
of demons.
And for those who don't know,ghosts are demons.
There's no such thing as ghostsas children.
That's all we can equate it to.
There are adults who believethat there are ghosts and they
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go ghost hunting, but from anexorcist perspective, they are
demons perspective, they aredemons.
So here you are young childseeing ghosts, experiencing
paranormal phenomena, bite marks, scratch marks at a young age,
a child and at the same time.
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This is interesting folks.
Michael is giftedintellectually and athletically.
So here we have a gifted childat a very young age with demons.
I just want you to understandthat for just a minute.
What was it, michael, that madeyou want to get out of the
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house and go to West Point?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
out of the house and go to West Point.
What made me want to get out ofthe house was I thought my
family was chaotic.
My mom had personalityborderline personality disorder.
There was physical abuse.
There was mental abuse.
One of the things that my momdid was she hit me across the
head with a medicine bottle,which will play a more important
point of discussion later onbut things like that the
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physical and mental abuse.
Growing up in an affluent areawhere I didn't really have much
but I felt like I was gifted,but yet people who weren't
gifted or limited intelligenceor athletic ability or all that
they had everything in the worldthey had cars, they had
beautiful houses and all that.
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And I had nothing.
And then I lived in a home thatwas just chaotic, was always
noisy, loud, somebody gettingdisciplined no privacy, somebody
getting disciplined no privacy.
And my mom also.
She was like a chain smoker, soI didn't really like that part
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of the environment.
And then my dad was alwaysworking, so there was like I
felt like it was just kind of adysfunctional upbringing.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah, I'm very sorry to hear that you had to go
through a family structure inthat way and sadly you know, I
say it all the time Many peopleexperience things like this in
their childhood, in their life,and demons enter.
So back to West Point.
You decide to go to West Point.
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You're praying to God.
Obviously he comes through foryou.
You're able to go to West Point.
What did you major in when youwere there attending at West
Point?
It's a very high-end school,awesome dude.
What did you major in?
What were you into?
Speaker 2 (12:17):
So everybody had to pick an engineering discipline
and so I studied systemsengineering, but I also studied
different foreign languages.
So I was fluent in threeforeign languages and I was also
a pretty well-trained systemengineer and actually when I
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finished my time in the military, my first job was as a system
engineer with a tier oneaerospace and defense contractor
.
The West Point education systemis very difficult.
Your day starts at 530 in themorning, doesn't end till, could
be 1130 at night and theacademics are very rigorous.
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But also you're doing thingslike boxing, wrestling, drilling
, and if you get six hours sleepyou're fortunate, but most of
the time it's probably like afive and a half hour time to
sleep, but the rest of the timeyou're very active with sports
and academics.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
So after West Point, is that when you went into the
military?
Speaker 2 (13:21):
So pretty much most of the people who graduate West
Point unless they have some sortof medical situation gets
commissioned as a secondlieutenant in the US Army and
that's about 99% of the classand so I was commissioned as a
second lieutenant and I spentthe next six years in different
units in the Army armor units,cavalry squadrons in the Army
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armor units, cavalry squadrons.
This is around Bosnia andHerzegovina and then also
leading into 9-11 in Afghanistan.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
So that's the time frame when I served and at a
certain point in time youstarted to get into intelligence
within the government.
Are you able to share a littlebit of information about that or
not?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, so I was a military intelligence officer
and I had intelligence officerassignments.
I led the intelligenceoperations for different types
of military units, one of thembeing like a tank battalion, as
an example, and I did serve inthat capacity in the army, and
then, when I started my careerwith private industry, I
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continued to do work with thedifferent intelligence
communities and also thedepartment of defense.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
That's awesome.
Here you have it, guys.
Very intelligent person herehad demons.
I love it, not that you haddemons, but that this breaks the
stereotype.
This is awesome.
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This is amazing, and let's pushit forward a little further.
You, michael, have receivedalso a second degree from
Harvard.
Check that out, folks.
Can you tell us a little bitabout that?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
So I have two advanced degrees.
One of them is from HarvardUniversity.
At the Harvard Kennedy School Istudied national security,
finance, international relations, and then, 10 years later,
after I graduated HarvardKennedy School, I did get an MBA
from the University of Virginia.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Amazing, awesome.
Thank you God.
By the way, guys, just to letyou know, if you have this level
of intelligence, you absolutelyhad nothing to do with it
whatsoever.
God created you to have thatlevel of intelligence for his
purposes.
It always amazes me howprideful people are with a high
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level of intellect, as thoughthey have the intelligence.
They did it and they have beencreated by God to have that
level of intelligence for hispurposes.
Now, obviously, as all of usknow, we know people who have
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their nose up in the air andthey're better than everybody
and they're extremely arrogant.
That's not what God intendedfor their life with their
intelligence.
Paul, the Apostle Paul, guesswhat?
I dare say in today's times, hewould have been gifted much
like Michael, dare say intoday's times, he would have
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been gifted much like Michael.
The Apostle Paul was fluent inseveral of the languages.
He had phenomenal communicationskills.
He had studied and raised inthe Jewish customs and laws.
Highly intelligent, highlyeducated, best of his time.
Highly intelligent, highlyeducated, best of his time.
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And guess what?
God chose to use him and hisintelligence to further the
kingdom, and we can see whatthat level of intelligence did
Amazing, thank you Jesus.
So just something to keep inmind no matter what you're good
at, a good way of staying humbleis realizing that God gave you
the ability to do what you'redoing.
You didn't do it.
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Yes, you have to practice anddo X, y and Z, but ultimately
God gave you the intelligence tograsp, understand and do what
you're doing in life.
So, michael, you have all ofthis education, you have worked
in the intelligence area in thegovernment, and there came a
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certain point in time where yourealized something's wrong,
something's not right.
All of your intellect, all ofyour intelligence, all of the
education you had, you were ableto still say something's not
right.
I cannot figure this out.
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Something is off and it's notgood, it's paranormal, it's
demonic, it's supernatural.
You had the ability to lookbeyond your human reasoning
supernatural.
You had the ability to lookbeyond your human reasoning,
beyond the extreme level ofintelligence that you've been
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gifted with, and many peoplecannot do that.
They have to stay in thenatural with their intelligence.
I was interviewed by a coupleguys and the one gentleman
interviewing me said he justcan't do it.
He's very analytical, he'sintelligent.
He could not sit that aside.
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How were you able to sit yourintelligence, aside, your human
reasoning and say I think I havedemons.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I think I have demons .
It first started in when I was18, 19, 20, 21.
I really enjoyed drinking,partying, going out with women,
and now I know what that is.
I know now that it's aJezebelian spirit, but I didn't
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know when I was in my late teens, early 20s and then when I got
married, I still continued todrink and party and it put a
strain on my marriage and mywife started giving me a really
hard time about me and just thistendency to want to go out and
party and hang out with peopleall the time, and so it
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definitely strained myrelationship with my wife for a
very long time.
And when I hit my mid-30s, Istarted to try to get serious
about my problem and I starteddealing with it and working with
the Lord to deal with it.
And I started dealing with itand working with the Lord to
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deal with it and I pretty muchstopped drinking, using tobacco
products, partying, going outand just being a man and taking
care of my wife and family and alot of that is what I call
crucifying the flesh.
But having said that, I couldpretty much shake everything,
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but the one thing I couldn'tshake was anger and bitterness,
and I'm much more mature andresponsible now and I know why.
But when I was in my mid to late30s or even my early 40s, I'd
have an angry outburst, probablyonce a week.
There were times where I feltlike I couldn't.
I just felt like it wasn't me,like I couldn't control it, like
it was somebody else.
My wife would also give mefeedback that you're a different
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person and I didn't know whatit was.
And I started to listen toDerek Prince, and not so much as
delivering sermons, but Istarted just listening to just
his general sermons almost everyday and other people, and he
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did a sermon about how he gotrid of all the idols and stuff
in his house, specifically aChinese dragon, and I always
felt I did well at work, but Ialways felt like I had to work
two or three times harder thanother people.
I just felt like the angryoutbursts and all that, and I
just knew something was wrong.
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And Derek Prince was like, hey,angry outbursts and all that,
and I just knew something waswrong.
And Derek Prince was like, hey,talk to God, ask him what is
not.
You know what's going on inyour, what's in your house.
That is not a favor of him andsee what the Lord reveals to you
and get rid of it.
And as an intelligence officer,I collected all kinds of masks
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from every different religion,prayer flags from Tibetan,
buddhist countries and Muslim,different Muslim artifacts,
hindu, you name it.
My whole man cave is full ofmasks and idols from all
different countries andreligions.
And when I asked the Lord toreveal to me what he wasn't
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happy with like basically mywhole everything in my basement
came to my mind and so Icollected it all, and this is
thousands and thousands ofdollars of collectibles and I
said, lord, if this is notpleasing to you, I'm going to
get rid of it all.
I'm going to destroy it all, andI took my whole, all my life's
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collection of stuff from maybe90 different countries I
traveled to and I threw it inthe trash and that is when
things started to change in mylife.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Wow wow, wow, wow.
You have my head spinning, man.
I can dissect this in so manyways.
First of all, let's step backto where it wasn't you.
How many of you listening havea rage and anger overtake you?
To where it's almost not you,where your partner, your spouse,
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your dating partner looks atyou and knows that it's not you.
Your eyes change the rage, thehatred in your eyes.
Your voice changes.
I was speaking with a man justthis week last week actually.
He said he was yelling at hiswife with such a rage that it
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wasn't him, it was not his voice, and his wife told him, just
like Michael's wife, that's notyou, that's not you.
And this is one of the reasonswhy this other gentleman
contacted me, reasons why thisother gentleman contacted me.
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He knew it was demons.
He didn't know how it got inhim, he didn't know where it
came from, but he knew it was ademon.
This is why there's exorcists,guys to help Christians or
people who want out of the worldto get freed up.
So Michael, has this rage comeout?
He's watching Derek Prince.
I've actually seen that episodewhere Derek was saying he was
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given from his grandfather twoChinese flags, velvet flags with
Chinese dragons on themExtremely expensive, chinese
dragons on them, extremelyexpensive and the Lord told
Derek to get rid of them.
So he did, and he threw themout.
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Now, if you don't know whoDerek Prince is, he has passed
away, but he was probably one ofthe first Christian deliverance
ministers.
That was very well known, evenbefore Dr Larson.
They may have come out aboutthe same time roughly, but Derek
Prince had an amazingdeliverance ministry, tons of
teachings.
You can find it on YouTube.
And there are some people, whenit comes time to throw things
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away, can't throw out a necklace.
Yeah, seriously.
And here is Michael.
Wow, thousands of dollars.
Now I can relate Now.
Before my exorcism, I used tocollect shot glasses, because if
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you've not heard my testimony,it's episode one I used to drink
a gallon of Captain Morgan ruma week.
It didn't matter if it was rum,vodka or whatever and I didn't
play around.
My shot glasses were doublesand some days I didn't even use
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a shot glass.
I just tilt that bottle rightup to my mouth and guzzle it
down like the good olddemon-possessed addict.
I was boy yeah, that's right.
I had a lot of shot glassesfrom around the world.
Who was proud of them?
Shot glasses, glasses.
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And I remember, man, I wasslated to get my first exorcism
with Larson and God's like it'stime to do some house cleaning,
bro.
And the first thing I did is Iwent I'll never forget this.
I went downstairs to my shotcollection, shot glass
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collection, get out a huge trashbag and at first I put three of
them in it real gracefully, butwhen I got to the fourth and
fifth I started whipping them inas hard as I could.
I was furious.
They were shattering inside.
It was probably a 33, 45 gallontrash bag hammering him in.
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If you could have got this oncamera, you'd have seen me with
this look of anger on my facesmashing these things for the
trauma it caused in my life, forthe death that it caused.
Everything, man gone.
Now I can't say it wasthousands of dollars, but it was
a lot of money gone andeverything else.
And Michael did the same thingwith a lot more stuff and a lot
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more money.
Maybe you, my friend, need toget rid of some things in your
house to clean it up.
Michael, back to you, you getrid of all of this stuff, but at
a certain point in time, I mean, you're starting to get a
glimpse that maybe this isdemonic.
You're starting to watch alittle bit about Derek Prince,
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but when did you really decidethat?
You know, maybe I should go foran exorcism?
Or when did you first hearabout Dr Larson?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Okay, the first thing I want to tell your audience is
, if you challenge God, you sayGod, I'm going to do this for
you.
He'll meet you, he'll blow youaway with what he does in return
.
And I certainly wasn't doinganything for money, but it's
important to talk aboutfinancially what happened to me
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after I got rid of everything.
Within three days I get a phonecall and I'm doing business
development and sales and Ibasically somebody leaves the
company and I basically gethanded a layup which is worth
six-figure income bonus for me.
So the Lord, within one week,or less than one week, repaid me
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for everything that I've gottenrid of to orders of magnitude
increase.
And I would also say and I'mnot, I don't want to boast, I
just want to provide theaudience with facts, and I'm not
, I don't want to boast, I justwant to provide the audience
with facts Since I've gotten ridof everything, a huge heaviness
in my house disappeared and Imay be the number one person in
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my very large company tens ofthousands of employees in terms
of business development andsales.
Since I've gotten rid ofeverything.
The Lord always honors you whenyou do the right thing, and it
was never my intention for anyfinancial gain, but I just want
people to know that thathappened in my life and it gave
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me a lot of extra money andresources to actually go out six
months later and spend a fullday with Dr Larson, and then
also gave me all the finance andresources to do all four of Dr
Larson's courses and flights.
So everything was taken care of.
But to answer your questionabout Dr Larson and how I got
involved with that, so I sawsome of Derek Prince's
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deliverance sermons where peoplewere getting freed and it
intrigued me.
I was just very interested init.
I've always been interested, Iguess, in supernatural things,
but it really intrigued me.
But I knew he passed away andI'm like, hey, who can I learn
from?
I'm curious, who can I learnfrom that's alive?
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And I looked at all thedeliverance ministers I've seen
all their videos and everythingand I came to the conclusion
pretty quickly that Dr Larson'sministry was, to me, the most
logical, the most sound, it hadthe most educational resources.
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I looked at the differentcourses and I'm like and I
looked at Larson and I visitedsome of the seminars and I'm
like, okay, dr Larson's theperson I need to learn from and
so I just started going throughhis material his first school
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and I couldn't.
I couldn't stop.
I was doing like four hours aday and I kept going through all
the material and I did thelevel one and then when I was
finished with that, I'm like,okay, let me try the second
course.
And I cranked through that inrapid succession.
I did all four courses in maybefour months, I don't know,
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maybe faster and I've done someof them.
I've done most of them twiceand I was just like this is what
God's called.
I spent my whole life trying tofigure out what God wants to do
with me, what my destiny is.
I think most people know theyhave a destiny and they never
find it.
And I'm one of the fortunatefew, very late in my life, where
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I finally figured out what Godhad planned for me.
But I didn't think I had demons.
I knew I had problems but Ididn't think I had demons.
And as a part of when youfinished the fourth course at
least when I enrolled, there wasa 30-minute one-on-one with Dr
Larson when you finished.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I'm sorry to interrupt, but just for the
audience to give a littlecontext.
Folks, he's talking about theInternational School of Exorcism
.
This is a education offered byDr Larson 30 courses and it's
split up into three differentlevels for you to walk through
and be tested on and so forth.
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So I just wanted to jump inreal quick, jonathan, and let
them know this is what you'rereferring to.
And then, when you took it,there was a 30-minute
post-completion session with drlarson.
So my apologies, go ahead yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
So at the end of it you get the 30 minutes with dr
larson, right, and it says oh,it's uh, you talk with them, ask
them any questions you want,but you're going to fill out the
spiritual profile.
So I start filling out thespiritual profile covering all
areas of mental health, physical, sexual sins, you name it,
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everything.
I happen to build up a prettylengthy and long list, and it is
true that it's probably wasthat there was a good 10-year
period between now and when Icut all those activities off.
But when I talked to drarson,he's looking at my list and he's
just like.
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He looked like he's looking atit and looking at it and he
didn't even know where to start.
And I'm like, oh, and he toldme he's like why don't you come
out and see me?
And I'm like, okay, yeah, Ithought maybe this could happen.
And he was like for the day.
And I was like for the day, youmean like the whole day.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
He's yes, for the day not just for an hour session,
but yeah, I think you need tocome for the day.
Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
I'm sorry, man, that is just hysterical, bro, it's
hilarious.
So I start to talk to my wifeabout this, right, I'm like,
yeah, I talked to, talked toLarson, she had to go.
I'm like, well, he told me hewanted me to come out there, not
for two hours, but for thewhole day, and my wife has gone
because she she's had to dealwith me the last 20 years.
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She's like, oh, yeah, yeah,yeah, oh, yeah, you better go
out there for the day.
So she was all about it.
She's like, yeah, you gotanything, let's get rid of it,
get out there, go for the day.
So I flew out to arizona and Ihad the whole day with Dr Larson
.
He brought a friend who wasalso a very mature exorcist.
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I don't know how much more Icould say about him.
I'll just say that he was alsoa lifelong intelligence
community person Maybe 40 yearsexperience and then went into
private industry.
That's probably all I could sayabout him, but very experienced
exorcist.
So I had two people Dr Larsonand his friends and I spent a
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day with them out in Arizona.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah, and that is in Scottsdale, Arizona, for anyone
curious about that.
You got to go out there for anentire day.
You have the best of the bestexorcists working with you.
What were they able to stir upand kick up inside of you?
But let me back up for a minute.
You mentioned the spiritualprofile.
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For those who are unfamiliarwith this, I use this in my
ministry as well.
Over at thejustindeedcom Intakequestions, spiritual intake
questions, and they assess you,and so when you complete the
questions, there are questionsabout your family dynamics,
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about marriage.
There are questions aboutdemonic manifestations,
paranormal phenomena.
There are questions about yoursexual experiences, your sexual
history.
There are questions about yourmental health condition and so
forth.
Quite a few questions,condition and so forth.
(36:30):
Quite a few questions, and thenDr Larson and myself and others
are trained to use thesequestions to look for entry
points of demons.
This is what I love about DrLarson it is intellectual at
first, definitely led by theHoly Spirit.
Don't misunderstand me.
At first, definitely led by theHoly Spirit, Don't
misunderstand me, but he'sincorporating intelligence
behind this.
Just not come up to the altar,scream and pray.
(36:51):
Oh, I feel like you have thespirit of suicide in you.
Come out.
Suicide Come out.
No, no, I wish it was that easy.
But there's intellect behindthis.
It's systematic, it's beautifuland of course, Michael, coming
from an intelligence community,could see the value in Dr
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Larson's teachings, methods, thestability of his ministry.
I think that's very importantpeople.
We're not talking aboutsomebody that doesn't have a
level of intelligence here.
We're talking about somebodythat's gifted, saying that he
researched all of the ministriesand not that the other
ministries aren't good, but hewas looking for education and he
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found it in Dr Larson.
So the spiritual intakequestions.
I just wanted to throw that outthere for people so they can
understand.
And so when you get with me orDr Larson, it's not a prayer
session, very much likecounseling.
We step through it together.
It's a wonderful experience.
It's very gentle, it's not headspinning and vomiting and all
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this carrying on.
But, Michael, when you weresitting in that chair across
from Dr Larson, I've been there,not physically, You're in
Scottsdale Arizona, but I'msitting across from him for 14
months in a chair and it wasn'ttoo long before he kicked
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something up in me very quicklyand that started my healing
journey.
But in your case, can you tellus what he found inside of you?
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Sure.
So let me let the audience tounderstand what happened before
we got to that point.
So it was about he spent threeto four hours with me looking at
the family tree.
He spent three to four hourswith me looking at the family
tree.
So he looked at my mother'sside, the father's side, looking
at health issues, sin issues,and kind of approached it very
(38:55):
logically, very methodically,like a forensic scientist and to
build a case to figure out youknow what potential legal rights
a demon may have or where thereare strongholds.
And for me, when the demon gotinterviewed by Dr Larson, I had
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always had a sense because I'vebeen through all the coursework
that I had Jezebel in my family,primarily my mom, because she I
learned to understand that someof her outbreaks and everything
reflected a Jezebelian type ofspirit.
And that's what Dr Larson found.
(39:40):
So it wasn't your standard case.
Like he uses Hebrews 4.12, hedivides soul and spirit and he
separates the soul from thespirit to talk to your soul part
and see what in the soul partis there that shouldn't be there
.
And for me and maybe it'sbecause I don't want to say
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every day, but I was heavy inprayer and reading the Bible,
listening to sermons forprobably like a 10-year period
of my life.
I didn't have any demonsdirectly connected to my soul,
but I had a human soul fragmentfrom my mom that had the demon
(40:25):
of jezebel tied to her toinclude some other lesser demons
like fornication, anger, acouple others like that, and
what gave that?
What we I discovered throughinterrogation that I had three
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generations of basically incestand that was giving the demon
legal right to operate in my mom.
Which gave the demon legal rightto operate in me.
That was primarily the primarysource of my anger and
bitterness was around my mom andsome of the mental and physical
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abuse around my mom and thatgave the demons a strong hold to
torment me and make me have theangry outbursts.
And even though I've asked theLord a million times that I
forgive my mom and what she did,sometimes it takes an outside
(41:31):
person to help you look insideobviously benefited from having
outside person look inside forme and eventually it led to the
fact where I could get angryevery once in a while, but I
(41:52):
would say it went from before mydeliverance session, where it
was once a week, to now where itcould be eight or 10 weeks
before I get upset and it wouldbe in.
The intensity is a lot lesslower.
It's definitely a lot lessfrequent and it's shorter and
I'm in control and I don't feellike somebody else is doing it.
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But that's what he found.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Awesome.
Thank you so much, man, forsharing that with us.
And I will explain this to youguys those of you who have
listened for a while.
You know what a soul part is.
We've talked about it quite abit.
But through abuse, trauma,control, manipulation,
domination, a tiny fragment of aperson's soul can get embedded
(42:40):
in your consciousness.
You're never going to find thisin the Bible.
Let me say that again You'renever going to find this in the
Bible.
But show me in the Bible whereit says that we should have
Sunday school classes.
Show me in the Bible where itsays we should have services on
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Sundays and Wednesdays.
You're not going to find it inthe Bible.
You know why churches do thisBecause it works and it's based
on experience.
For many of years, churcheshave stumbled through trying to
figure out what works and theyfound something that works, and
(43:22):
this is why they do it becauseit works.
It's not in the Bible.
Now.
You may not appreciate thatformat that most churches have
adopted.
I get that, but my point is notthat.
My point is you're not going tofind that in the Bible, just
like you're not going to findsoul part in the Bible.
Now, there may be somereferences in there somewhere,
(43:44):
but this is based on Dr Larsonperforming over 50,000 exorcisms
in over 100 countries.
Something or someone would bespeaking through the person to
him that wasn't a demon.
So in his experience he beganto interrogate what are you?
Are you human or are you spirit?
(44:05):
And these entities would sayhuman, I'm his mother or I'm her
ex-lover, or I'm the psychicshe visited, etc.
So, based on his experience,he's developed strategies, just
like the church has developedstrategies of Sunday school
(44:28):
classes, breaking them up intodifferent ages, etc.
Etc.
Instead of everybody meeting inone big congregation all
children, all teenagers, allyoung adults and hearing sermons
.
They figured that didn't work.
They found something that didwork Sunday school class, not in
the Bible.
So here we have Michael with asoul part of his mother in his
(44:51):
mind, and when a soul part of aperson gets in your mind, they
bring demons.
Now, just to let you guys know,this is extremely common in
witchcraft.
They have no problems with thiswhatsoever because they do it
and use it all the time.
This is legitimately real.
So he's got a soul part of hismother in his mind.
(45:12):
The mother comes in withJezebel, anger, fornication,
lust, whatever else was allthere with good old mom.
So Dr Larson dealt with thatsituation, got rid of the soul
part from his mother and got ridof the demons attached with the
mother to free him up in hissoul.
That's his exorcism experience.
(45:35):
Not everybody's is that simple.
Michael said he did a lot ofcleanup work on his own and some
of you listening have done alot of cleanup work on your own
through Bible, through study,through counseling, through
doing a Christian drill.
But he said a key point herethat it oftentimes requires
someone on the outside to helpyou on the inside.
(46:00):
Let me say that again itoftentimes takes the help of
someone on the outside to helpyou on the inside.
He had done a lot of cleanup onhis own but there were still
some mild sort of issueslingering.
Larson says you need to comeout and they got that little bit
(46:22):
cleaned up.
That's awesome.
I hope this episode has yourhead spinning with a million
questions.
But more importantly, I hopethat it challenges you to
understand that it doesn'tmatter if you have a doctorate
degree.
It doesn't matter what you havea doctorate degree, doesn't
matter what university you wentto, doesn't matter how
successful you are in life.
(46:45):
Most people who are successfulare broken.
How do I know that?
Because we're all human and ashuman beings, we are broken,
sinful people.
It's only by the grace of JesusChrist that any of us can be
saved.
We are sinful people and verybroken, and exorcism is just a
(47:07):
healing process.
It's part of the healingjourney.
That's it.
It's just a component of it.
You still need counseling, youstill need to be in a church,
etc.
Etc.
But this is just a missingcomponent in many people's lives
.
So you don't have to live withyour junk anymore.
(47:27):
This works, folks.
We have Michael here explainingit to us.
This is awesome.
Michael, I want to thank youvery much for taking the time to
come on and share with us.
I know that you have anextremely busy schedule.
I greatly appreciate your timeand at the end of every episode,
(47:48):
I always ask my guest to sharesome encouraging words with the
audience.
Many people have been listeningfrom day one.
Some of them know they havedemons and they just haven't
made that step of humility tosay I need help.
Others have.
Some people are new listening.
(48:08):
This is their first episodetheir head's spinning Exorcism,
demons I could have demons.
And there are Christians whocome back because they're just
dipping their toes in this isall new to them.
They've never really thought aChristian could have demons.
But they're hearing this andthey're like, wait a minute,
maybe I don't know.
Michael, for the audience, canyou share some words of
(48:33):
encouragement with them aboutexorcism, about how you humbled
yourself with your level ofintelligence, with your level of
education?
You humbled yourself and wentfor that outside help to help
you on the inside.
Can you share someencouragement with the audience?
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Go ahead, man.
Sure, I'd love to, like you'resaying it's a really humbling
process and you have to comeface to face.
You have to be an adult andcome face to face with your
challenges, your problems andtake responsibility.
But looking back at me goingthrough my experience, I'm so
(49:16):
thankful I did, because there'sa couple of key components that
you have to go through.
First, you have to humbleyourself before the Lord and
pride is one of the biggest sinsthat took down Satan and takes
down the rest of us every dayand humbling yourself before the
Lord.
And then, through thedeliverance process, of course,
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you're going to repent of allthe things that you've done,
you're going to renounce, you'regoing to stop habitual sin,
you're going to own up to it andyou're going to ask the Lord
for forgiveness, and that's avery important piece in order to
qualify for deliverance.
And then to me the part aboutforgiveness for deliverance.
(49:59):
And then to me the part aboutforgiveness.
It's so important to forgivepeople and if we're not fully
forgiving everyone, then you'renot, you won't qualify for
deliverance or exorcism.
And so you really have toforgive everybody.
And starting, I would saystarting with the parents.
A lot of people have challengeswith a parent.
(50:21):
I'm a parent myself.
I hope my children forgive mefor the mistakes I've made, but
it's really important to forgive, forgive and forgive.
The Lord has a really highstandard when it comes to
forgiveness and so, through thehumility, repent, renounce,
forgive and turn away from anylife of sin at all.
(50:50):
But there's a couple of thingsthat I've gotten from
deliverance.
The first thing which I foundreally interesting is I've heard
church songs and hymns forabout two months.
So every day that I woke up forthe two months after I did my
exorcism, I heard a differentsong, some songs I haven't even
heard of.
It's been 30 years since I'veheard the song.
(51:12):
It was really interesting to me.
I'd wake up and I'd hearsinging, like singing from
heaven, and everybody has adifferent experience.
But that's what I heard forabout two months.
And then I felt like a hugeburden off my back, like my neck
, my shoulders, always sore, andthis huge weight got lifted off
(51:35):
my back.
And then my family and mychildren think I'm different.
They're like, oh, you're muchnicer now and it's the truth.
I'm more at peace, like I'mvery slow to anger, just quiet,
a quiet peace.
I sleep really well, like Isleep like a baby.
(51:55):
So there's all these benefitsand gifts that you get from
setting yourself free and it'shard to tell until you've gone
through the process.
The pre-deliverance me and thepost-deliverance is two
different people.
I'll never.
I never want to be the person Iwas before I had my exorcism.
Being free is wonderful.
(52:16):
I'm waking up every day andbeing free.
So I would just say it's andit's very hard to tell whether
you have them or not, but mostof the people that I've come
across I have demons.
So just going through theprocess it's just wonderful and
I encourage everybody to do it.
(52:36):
Just there's just so many.
And then the financial reward.
I wasn't even looking for anyof that and just everything.
And then for me, finding mypersonal destiny.
How many of us wake up everyday and we're having
conversations with God and we'relike what do you want to do
with my life?
I bet you, 80% of the audience,is like asking the Lord what
(52:59):
purposes do you have for me?
What good works do you haveprepared for me to do?
And I think if you go through adeliverance and exorcism, the
Lord will make it very clearwhat he wants you to do and how
to serve the kingdom.
And there's, I can go to sleepat night knowing I'm doing what
I'm supposed to be doing.
Speaker 1 (53:19):
You may be demon possessed and this is the first
time you're coming to therealization of it.
If that's you, I'd like toinvite you right now to go to my
website, justindeedcom, andbook a session with me.
Until next time, God bless.
exposing the darkness , revealing the light.
Welcome to episode 22 of theBlind Exorcist podcast.
I'm Justin D, your host, and Iam so excited that you've
decided to tune in yet again andif you're new, welcome.
Welcome.
Today I have something awesome.
(00:22):
I always say that because everyguest I have on here they are
awesome.
But today I bring somebody at alittle bit of a different
caliber, michael.
He is in intelligence, in thegovernment.
He has had quite the militarycareer being in intelligence.
(00:46):
He's been in 90 countries andbecause of his career, because
of his identity, his credentials, obviously I'm going to seclude
his real name and his voice.
This is awesome.
Michael has a degree from WestPoint.
(01:12):
He has a master's degree fromHarvard and another university I
forget which one that is.
We'll get to that Highlyintelligent.
He is gifted intellectually, heis gifted athletically and he
had demons.
Now, I love having Michael joinus because it shatters the
facade that people who aredemon-possessed are severely
(01:37):
mentally impaired, they arehomeless, they are crazy, they
are all schizophrenic.
There's no such thing as demons.
I hope by now, if you've beenlistening for a while and if you
haven't and this is your firstepisode demons are real and
Michael is going to share withus yet again.
Another Christian,spirit-filled, got the Holy
(02:01):
Spirit, all that and had demons.
Now you got to begin to askyourself if Justin's bringing on
these Christians they're allChristians 21 people I've had
the pleasure of interviewing andthere's a ton more coming plus
my own testimony If Justin hasbrought these people on and
they're Christians and they'resaying that they had demons In
(02:24):
fact, one I actually played theexorcism for you Phoebe's story.
If you've not listened to that,check it out but there comes a
point in time where the argumentthat Christians cannot have
demons is simply disingenuous.
So if you want to listen to allof these testimonies and say
that these people are crazy,christians can't have demons,
(02:46):
yada, yada, yada, it does nothold weight.
It does not.
And, michael, what are yougoing to say to somebody that's
in intelligence, in thegovernment, fluent in multiple
languages, highly educated,gifted intellectually,
athletically, et cetera, etcetera, and says that he has
(03:08):
demons?
What are you going to say?
He's crazy.
What are you going to say?
He's something's wrong with him?
No, this is legitimately real.
The people that I have on thispodcast have demons and they're
all Christians.
This is why I started thispodcast so you guys could hear
intelligent, educated,sophisticated people who are
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Christians, who have demons.
It doesn't matter what yourlocal pastor says, all
Christians can't have demons andhalf their congregations
demonized Suffering Can't evenhelp them.
Pastors get sick of peoplecoming back with the same
problems all the time to getreal frustrated Like look, we've
already been through thisdepression, we've already been
(03:52):
through the suicidal stuff.
You know, you got a problem.
I can't help you.
That's right.
You can't help them.
You know why?
Because it's demons and you'rein denial and people who have
demons.
Pastoral counseling can helpsome, therapeutic counseling can
help some, but you're missing akey ingredient.
Exorcism Got to expel thedemons, just like Jesus Christ
(04:19):
did.
The argument that Christianscannot have demons is officially
debunked.
This message is approved byJustin Daubenmayer.
(04:40):
Okay, so debunk baby out thedoor.
Michael is an amazing man of Godand he is just an amazing
person in general.
It's a sincere pleasure tointerview him.
We're going to talk some abouthis work in intelligence.
Obviously, we're just going tonip on it a little bit.
We can't go into great detail.
We do not want his coverexposed, so I would encourage
(05:07):
you to share this out to anybodythat you know that's a
Christian that says Christianscannot have demons.
Let them hear this, beconfronted with truth and get
their thinking challenged.
So let's go ahead and get intothe interview.
You guys are going to reallyenjoy this.
Let's meet Michael.
Michael, welcome to the BlindExorcist.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Thank you for having me.
This is great.
I know this has been a longtime in the making and I'm
looking forward to thisconversation.
So thank you and I'm lookingforward to this conversation.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
So, thank you.
I'm excited to have somebody onthe podcast that has some
serious credentials Not thatother people have, not, they
absolutely have but you are myfirst military person that I've
(06:03):
had the pleasure of interviewing, so welcome.
I'm excited and, folks, we'regoing to step through Michael's
life here and really share, pullback the curtain on his life so
that you can see intelligent,educated, sophisticated people
(06:26):
can absolutely have demons.
So let's go ahead and just jumpinto this.
Michael, can you tell us alittle bit about?
Let's go back to your childhood.
I always like to start way backat the roots of the family,
because oftentimes this is wheredemons enter.
(06:47):
People is in childhood, throughthe family structure, through
the dysfunction within familyunits.
Demons love to be transferredthrough dysfunction, codependent
bonds, poverty, function,codependent bonds, poverty,
(07:10):
physical abuse, sexual abuse,neglect, etc.
Etc.
Most people will pick up demonsin their childhood.
They are also born withancestral curses resting on
their lives, and the third waypeople pick up demons is the
things that we do in life,whether ignorantly or willfully
Go see a psychic, get a tarotcard, whatever.
Okay, michael, let's hear aboutyour childhood.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
So I was born in New York and I had three brothers
and we grew up with I wouldn'tsay we're poor, but we grew up
in a one bedroom apartment.
We didn't have a whole lot andI was used to getting
hand-me-downs from my brothers.
Growing up I did see things.
As a child I saw what I thoughtwere ghosts and I as a child I
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did get.
I did get bites on my back as ayoung child, before the age of
10, scratches and bites and thatsort of thing.
So you know it was verydifficult studying but you know
I was very active in sports andI just found a way to get
serious with sports.
I lettered, I was captain of mytrack team, captain in
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wrestling, president of my classand all that and I had honors
in my schooling and I wanted toget out of my circumstances and
I had a relationship with Godand Jesus and I had no way to
pay for college.
I was always giftedintellectually.
I was always gifted as anathlete and even with leadership
(08:44):
skills and I grew up real closeto West Point.
I fell in love with West Pointas a kid.
My dad took me up to thefootball games and that's the
place I always wanted to go.
I always wanted to be an armyofficer.
I just needed to get out of mycircumstances and I prayed to
God.
I said, hey, if you can get meout of my circumstances, get me
to West Point, give me a newchance, a new start, that I'll
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do whatever you want me to do.
And that's how my journey began.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
It's interesting that you've seen ghosts as a child.
You've had bite and scratchmarks Again very common symptoms
of demons.
And for those who don't know,ghosts are demons.
There's no such thing as ghostsas children.
That's all we can equate it to.
There are adults who believethat there are ghosts and they
(09:36):
go ghost hunting, but from anexorcist perspective, they are
demons perspective, they aredemons.
So here you are young childseeing ghosts, experiencing
paranormal phenomena, bite marks, scratch marks at a young age,
a child and at the same time.
(09:58):
This is interesting folks.
Michael is giftedintellectually and athletically.
So here we have a gifted childat a very young age with demons.
I just want you to understandthat for just a minute.
What was it, michael, that madeyou want to get out of the
(10:20):
house and go to West Point?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
out of the house and go to West Point.
What made me want to get out ofthe house was I thought my
family was chaotic.
My mom had personalityborderline personality disorder.
There was physical abuse.
There was mental abuse.
One of the things that my momdid was she hit me across the
head with a medicine bottle,which will play a more important
point of discussion later onbut things like that the
(10:50):
physical and mental abuse.
Growing up in an affluent areawhere I didn't really have much
but I felt like I was gifted,but yet people who weren't
gifted or limited intelligenceor athletic ability or all that
they had everything in the worldthey had cars, they had
beautiful houses and all that.
(11:10):
And I had nothing.
And then I lived in a home thatwas just chaotic, was always
noisy, loud, somebody gettingdisciplined no privacy, somebody
getting disciplined no privacy.
And my mom also.
She was like a chain smoker, soI didn't really like that part
(11:32):
of the environment.
And then my dad was alwaysworking, so there was like I
felt like it was just kind of adysfunctional upbringing.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah, I'm very sorry to hear that you had to go
through a family structure inthat way and sadly you know, I
say it all the time Many peopleexperience things like this in
their childhood, in their life,and demons enter.
So back to West Point.
You decide to go to West Point.
(12:00):
You're praying to God.
Obviously he comes through foryou.
You're able to go to West Point.
What did you major in when youwere there attending at West
Point?
It's a very high-end school,awesome dude.
What did you major in?
What were you into?
Speaker 2 (12:17):
So everybody had to pick an engineering discipline
and so I studied systemsengineering, but I also studied
different foreign languages.
So I was fluent in threeforeign languages and I was also
a pretty well-trained systemengineer and actually when I
(12:37):
finished my time in the military, my first job was as a system
engineer with a tier oneaerospace and defense contractor
.
The West Point education systemis very difficult.
Your day starts at 530 in themorning, doesn't end till, could
be 1130 at night and theacademics are very rigorous.
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But also you're doing thingslike boxing, wrestling, drilling
, and if you get six hours sleepyou're fortunate, but most of
the time it's probably like afive and a half hour time to
sleep, but the rest of the timeyou're very active with sports
and academics.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
So after West Point, is that when you went into the
military?
Speaker 2 (13:21):
So pretty much most of the people who graduate West
Point unless they have some sortof medical situation gets
commissioned as a secondlieutenant in the US Army and
that's about 99% of the classand so I was commissioned as a
second lieutenant and I spentthe next six years in different
units in the Army armor units,cavalry squadrons in the Army
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armor units, cavalry squadrons.
This is around Bosnia andHerzegovina and then also
leading into 9-11 in Afghanistan.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
So that's the time frame when I served and at a
certain point in time youstarted to get into intelligence
within the government.
Are you able to share a littlebit of information about that or
not?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, so I was a military intelligence officer
and I had intelligence officerassignments.
I led the intelligenceoperations for different types
of military units, one of thembeing like a tank battalion, as
an example, and I did serve inthat capacity in the army, and
then, when I started my careerwith private industry, I
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continued to do work with thedifferent intelligence
communities and also thedepartment of defense.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
That's awesome.
Here you have it, guys.
Very intelligent person herehad demons.
I love it, not that you haddemons, but that this breaks the
stereotype.
This is awesome.
(14:58):
This is amazing, and let's pushit forward a little further.
You, michael, have receivedalso a second degree from
Harvard.
Check that out, folks.
Can you tell us a little bitabout that?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
So I have two advanced degrees.
One of them is from HarvardUniversity.
At the Harvard Kennedy School Istudied national security,
finance, international relations, and then, 10 years later,
after I graduated HarvardKennedy School, I did get an MBA
from the University of Virginia.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Amazing, awesome.
Thank you God.
By the way, guys, just to letyou know, if you have this level
of intelligence, you absolutelyhad nothing to do with it
whatsoever.
God created you to have thatlevel of intelligence for his
purposes.
It always amazes me howprideful people are with a high
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level of intellect, as thoughthey have the intelligence.
They did it and they have beencreated by God to have that
level of intelligence for hispurposes.
Now, obviously, as all of usknow, we know people who have
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their nose up in the air andthey're better than everybody
and they're extremely arrogant.
That's not what God intendedfor their life with their
intelligence.
Paul, the Apostle Paul, guesswhat?
I dare say in today's times, hewould have been gifted much
like Michael, dare say intoday's times, he would have
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been gifted much like Michael.
The Apostle Paul was fluent inseveral of the languages.
He had phenomenal communicationskills.
He had studied and raised inthe Jewish customs and laws.
Highly intelligent, highlyeducated, best of his time.
Highly intelligent, highlyeducated, best of his time.
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And guess what?
God chose to use him and hisintelligence to further the
kingdom, and we can see whatthat level of intelligence did
Amazing, thank you Jesus.
So just something to keep inmind no matter what you're good
at, a good way of staying humbleis realizing that God gave you
the ability to do what you'redoing.
You didn't do it.
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Yes, you have to practice anddo X, y and Z, but ultimately
God gave you the intelligence tograsp, understand and do what
you're doing in life.
So, michael, you have all ofthis education, you have worked
in the intelligence area in thegovernment, and there came a
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certain point in time where yourealized something's wrong,
something's not right.
All of your intellect, all ofyour intelligence, all of the
education you had, you were ableto still say something's not
right.
I cannot figure this out.
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Something is off and it's notgood, it's paranormal, it's
demonic, it's supernatural.
You had the ability to lookbeyond your human reasoning
supernatural.
You had the ability to lookbeyond your human reasoning,
beyond the extreme level ofintelligence that you've been
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gifted with, and many peoplecannot do that.
They have to stay in thenatural with their intelligence.
I was interviewed by a coupleguys and the one gentleman
interviewing me said he justcan't do it.
He's very analytical, he'sintelligent.
He could not sit that aside.
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How were you able to sit yourintelligence, aside, your human
reasoning and say I think I havedemons.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I think I have demons .
It first started in when I was18, 19, 20, 21.
I really enjoyed drinking,partying, going out with women,
and now I know what that is.
I know now that it's aJezebelian spirit, but I didn't
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know when I was in my late teens, early 20s and then when I got
married, I still continued todrink and party and it put a
strain on my marriage and mywife started giving me a really
hard time about me and just thistendency to want to go out and
party and hang out with peopleall the time, and so it
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definitely strained myrelationship with my wife for a
very long time.
And when I hit my mid-30s, Istarted to try to get serious
about my problem and I starteddealing with it and working with
the Lord to deal with it.
And I started dealing with itand working with the Lord to
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deal with it and I pretty muchstopped drinking, using tobacco
products, partying, going outand just being a man and taking
care of my wife and family and alot of that is what I call
crucifying the flesh.
But having said that, I couldpretty much shake everything,
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but the one thing I couldn'tshake was anger and bitterness,
and I'm much more mature andresponsible now and I know why.
But when I was in my mid to late30s or even my early 40s, I'd
have an angry outburst, probablyonce a week.
There were times where I feltlike I couldn't.
I just felt like it wasn't me,like I couldn't control it, like
it was somebody else.
My wife would also give mefeedback that you're a different
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person and I didn't know whatit was.
And I started to listen toDerek Prince, and not so much as
delivering sermons, but Istarted just listening to just
his general sermons almost everyday and other people, and he
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did a sermon about how he gotrid of all the idols and stuff
in his house, specifically aChinese dragon, and I always
felt I did well at work, but Ialways felt like I had to work
two or three times harder thanother people.
I just felt like the angryoutbursts and all that, and I
just knew something was wrong.
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And Derek Prince was like, hey,angry outbursts and all that,
and I just knew something waswrong.
And Derek Prince was like, hey,talk to God, ask him what is
not.
You know what's going on inyour, what's in your house.
That is not a favor of him andsee what the Lord reveals to you
and get rid of it.
And as an intelligence officer,I collected all kinds of masks
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from every different religion,prayer flags from Tibetan,
buddhist countries and Muslim,different Muslim artifacts,
hindu, you name it.
My whole man cave is full ofmasks and idols from all
different countries andreligions.
And when I asked the Lord toreveal to me what he wasn't
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happy with like basically mywhole everything in my basement
came to my mind and so Icollected it all, and this is
thousands and thousands ofdollars of collectibles and I
said, lord, if this is notpleasing to you, I'm going to
get rid of it all.
I'm going to destroy it all, andI took my whole, all my life's
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collection of stuff from maybe90 different countries I
traveled to and I threw it inthe trash and that is when
things started to change in mylife.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Wow wow, wow, wow.
You have my head spinning, man.
I can dissect this in so manyways.
First of all, let's step backto where it wasn't you.
How many of you listening havea rage and anger overtake you?
To where it's almost not you,where your partner, your spouse,
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your dating partner looks atyou and knows that it's not you.
Your eyes change the rage, thehatred in your eyes.
Your voice changes.
I was speaking with a man justthis week last week actually.
He said he was yelling at hiswife with such a rage that it
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wasn't him, it was not his voice, and his wife told him, just
like Michael's wife, that's notyou, that's not you.
And this is one of the reasonswhy this other gentleman
contacted me, reasons why thisother gentleman contacted me.
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He knew it was demons.
He didn't know how it got inhim, he didn't know where it
came from, but he knew it was ademon.
This is why there's exorcists,guys to help Christians or
people who want out of the worldto get freed up.
So Michael, has this rage comeout?
He's watching Derek Prince.
I've actually seen that episodewhere Derek was saying he was
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given from his grandfather twoChinese flags, velvet flags with
Chinese dragons on themExtremely expensive, chinese
dragons on them, extremelyexpensive and the Lord told
Derek to get rid of them.
So he did, and he threw themout.
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Now, if you don't know whoDerek Prince is, he has passed
away, but he was probably one ofthe first Christian deliverance
ministers.
That was very well known, evenbefore Dr Larson.
They may have come out aboutthe same time roughly, but Derek
Prince had an amazingdeliverance ministry, tons of
teachings.
You can find it on YouTube.
And there are some people, whenit comes time to throw things
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away, can't throw out a necklace.
Yeah, seriously.
And here is Michael.
Wow, thousands of dollars.
Now I can relate Now.
Before my exorcism, I used tocollect shot glasses, because if
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you've not heard my testimony,it's episode one I used to drink
a gallon of Captain Morgan ruma week.
It didn't matter if it was rum,vodka or whatever and I didn't
play around.
My shot glasses were doublesand some days I didn't even use
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a shot glass.
I just tilt that bottle rightup to my mouth and guzzle it
down like the good olddemon-possessed addict.
I was boy yeah, that's right.
I had a lot of shot glassesfrom around the world.
Who was proud of them?
Shot glasses, glasses.
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And I remember, man, I wasslated to get my first exorcism
with Larson and God's like it'stime to do some house cleaning,
bro.
And the first thing I did is Iwent I'll never forget this.
I went downstairs to my shotcollection, shot glass
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collection, get out a huge trashbag and at first I put three of
them in it real gracefully, butwhen I got to the fourth and
fifth I started whipping them inas hard as I could.
I was furious.
They were shattering inside.
It was probably a 33, 45 gallontrash bag hammering him in.
(27:09):
If you could have got this oncamera, you'd have seen me with
this look of anger on my facesmashing these things for the
trauma it caused in my life, forthe death that it caused.
Everything, man gone.
Now I can't say it wasthousands of dollars, but it was
a lot of money gone andeverything else.
And Michael did the same thingwith a lot more stuff and a lot
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more money.
Maybe you, my friend, need toget rid of some things in your
house to clean it up.
Michael, back to you, you getrid of all of this stuff, but at
a certain point in time, I mean, you're starting to get a
glimpse that maybe this isdemonic.
You're starting to watch alittle bit about Derek Prince,
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but when did you really decidethat?
You know, maybe I should go foran exorcism?
Or when did you first hearabout Dr Larson?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Okay, the first thing I want to tell your audience is
, if you challenge God, you sayGod, I'm going to do this for
you.
He'll meet you, he'll blow youaway with what he does in return
.
And I certainly wasn't doinganything for money, but it's
important to talk aboutfinancially what happened to me
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after I got rid of everything.
Within three days I get a phonecall and I'm doing business
development and sales and Ibasically somebody leaves the
company and I basically gethanded a layup which is worth
six-figure income bonus for me.
So the Lord, within one week,or less than one week, repaid me
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for everything that I've gottenrid of to orders of magnitude
increase.
And I would also say and I'mnot, I don't want to boast, I
just want to provide theaudience with facts, and I'm not
, I don't want to boast, I justwant to provide the audience
with facts Since I've gotten ridof everything, a huge heaviness
in my house disappeared and Imay be the number one person in
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my very large company tens ofthousands of employees in terms
of business development andsales.
Since I've gotten rid ofeverything.
The Lord always honors you whenyou do the right thing, and it
was never my intention for anyfinancial gain, but I just want
people to know that thathappened in my life and it gave
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me a lot of extra money andresources to actually go out six
months later and spend a fullday with Dr Larson, and then
also gave me all the finance andresources to do all four of Dr
Larson's courses and flights.
So everything was taken care of.
But to answer your questionabout Dr Larson and how I got
involved with that, so I sawsome of Derek Prince's
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deliverance sermons where peoplewere getting freed and it
intrigued me.
I was just very interested init.
I've always been interested, Iguess, in supernatural things,
but it really intrigued me.
But I knew he passed away andI'm like, hey, who can I learn
from?
I'm curious, who can I learnfrom that's alive?
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And I looked at all thedeliverance ministers I've seen
all their videos and everythingand I came to the conclusion
pretty quickly that Dr Larson'sministry was, to me, the most
logical, the most sound, it hadthe most educational resources.
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I looked at the differentcourses and I'm like and I
looked at Larson and I visitedsome of the seminars and I'm
like, okay, dr Larson's theperson I need to learn from and
so I just started going throughhis material his first school
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and I couldn't.
I couldn't stop.
I was doing like four hours aday and I kept going through all
the material and I did thelevel one and then when I was
finished with that, I'm like,okay, let me try the second
course.
And I cranked through that inrapid succession.
I did all four courses in maybefour months, I don't know,
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maybe faster and I've done someof them.
I've done most of them twiceand I was just like this is what
God's called.
I spent my whole life trying tofigure out what God wants to do
with me, what my destiny is.
I think most people know theyhave a destiny and they never
find it.
And I'm one of the fortunatefew, very late in my life, where
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I finally figured out what Godhad planned for me.
But I didn't think I had demons.
I knew I had problems but Ididn't think I had demons.
And as a part of when youfinished the fourth course at
least when I enrolled, there wasa 30-minute one-on-one with Dr
Larson when you finished.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I'm sorry to interrupt, but just for the
audience to give a littlecontext.
Folks, he's talking about theInternational School of Exorcism
.
This is a education offered byDr Larson 30 courses and it's
split up into three differentlevels for you to walk through
and be tested on and so forth.
(32:34):
So I just wanted to jump inreal quick, jonathan, and let
them know this is what you'rereferring to.
And then, when you took it,there was a 30-minute
post-completion session with drlarson.
So my apologies, go ahead yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
So at the end of it you get the 30 minutes with dr
larson, right, and it says oh,it's uh, you talk with them, ask
them any questions you want,but you're going to fill out the
spiritual profile.
So I start filling out thespiritual profile covering all
areas of mental health, physical, sexual sins, you name it,
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everything.
I happen to build up a prettylengthy and long list, and it is
true that it's probably wasthat there was a good 10-year
period between now and when Icut all those activities off.
But when I talked to drarson,he's looking at my list and he's
just like.
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He looked like he's looking atit and looking at it and he
didn't even know where to start.
And I'm like, oh, and he toldme he's like why don't you come
out and see me?
And I'm like, okay, yeah, Ithought maybe this could happen.
And he was like for the day.
And I was like for the day, youmean like the whole day.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
He's yes, for the day not just for an hour session,
but yeah, I think you need tocome for the day.
Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
I'm sorry, man, that is just hysterical, bro, it's
hilarious.
So I start to talk to my wifeabout this, right, I'm like,
yeah, I talked to, talked toLarson, she had to go.
I'm like, well, he told me hewanted me to come out there, not
for two hours, but for thewhole day, and my wife has gone
because she she's had to dealwith me the last 20 years.
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She's like, oh, yeah, yeah,yeah, oh, yeah, you better go
out there for the day.
So she was all about it.
She's like, yeah, you gotanything, let's get rid of it,
get out there, go for the day.
So I flew out to arizona and Ihad the whole day with Dr Larson
.
He brought a friend who wasalso a very mature exorcist.
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I don't know how much more Icould say about him.
I'll just say that he was alsoa lifelong intelligence
community person Maybe 40 yearsexperience and then went into
private industry.
That's probably all I could sayabout him, but very experienced
exorcist.
So I had two people Dr Larsonand his friends and I spent a
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day with them out in Arizona.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah, and that is in Scottsdale, Arizona, for anyone
curious about that.
You got to go out there for anentire day.
You have the best of the bestexorcists working with you.
What were they able to stir upand kick up inside of you?
But let me back up for a minute.
You mentioned the spiritualprofile.
(35:42):
For those who are unfamiliarwith this, I use this in my
ministry as well.
Over at thejustindeedcom Intakequestions, spiritual intake
questions, and they assess you,and so when you complete the
questions, there are questionsabout your family dynamics,
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about marriage.
There are questions aboutdemonic manifestations,
paranormal phenomena.
There are questions about yoursexual experiences, your sexual
history.
There are questions about yourmental health condition and so
forth.
Quite a few questions,condition and so forth.
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Quite a few questions, and thenDr Larson and myself and others
are trained to use thesequestions to look for entry
points of demons.
This is what I love about DrLarson it is intellectual at
first, definitely led by theHoly Spirit.
Don't misunderstand me.
At first, definitely led by theHoly Spirit, Don't
misunderstand me, but he'sincorporating intelligence
behind this.
Just not come up to the altar,scream and pray.
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Oh, I feel like you have thespirit of suicide in you.
Come out.
Suicide Come out.
No, no, I wish it was that easy.
But there's intellect behindthis.
It's systematic, it's beautifuland of course, Michael, coming
from an intelligence community,could see the value in Dr
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Larson's teachings, methods, thestability of his ministry.
I think that's very importantpeople.
We're not talking aboutsomebody that doesn't have a
level of intelligence here.
We're talking about somebodythat's gifted, saying that he
researched all of the ministriesand not that the other
ministries aren't good, but hewas looking for education and he
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found it in Dr Larson.
So the spiritual intakequestions.
I just wanted to throw that outthere for people so they can
understand.
And so when you get with me orDr Larson, it's not a prayer
session, very much likecounseling.
We step through it together.
It's a wonderful experience.
It's very gentle, it's not headspinning and vomiting and all
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this carrying on.
But, Michael, when you weresitting in that chair across
from Dr Larson, I've been there,not physically, You're in
Scottsdale Arizona, but I'msitting across from him for 14
months in a chair and it wasn'ttoo long before he kicked
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something up in me very quicklyand that started my healing
journey.
But in your case, can you tellus what he found inside of you?
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Sure.
So let me let the audience tounderstand what happened before
we got to that point.
So it was about he spent threeto four hours with me looking at
the family tree.
He spent three to four hourswith me looking at the family
tree.
So he looked at my mother'sside, the father's side, looking
at health issues, sin issues,and kind of approached it very
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logically, very methodically,like a forensic scientist and to
build a case to figure out youknow what potential legal rights
a demon may have or where thereare strongholds.
And for me, when the demon gotinterviewed by Dr Larson, I had
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always had a sense because I'vebeen through all the coursework
that I had Jezebel in my family,primarily my mom, because she I
learned to understand that someof her outbreaks and everything
reflected a Jezebelian type ofspirit.
And that's what Dr Larson found.
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So it wasn't your standard case.
Like he uses Hebrews 4.12, hedivides soul and spirit and he
separates the soul from thespirit to talk to your soul part
and see what in the soul partis there that shouldn't be there
.
And for me and maybe it'sbecause I don't want to say
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every day, but I was heavy inprayer and reading the Bible,
listening to sermons forprobably like a 10-year period
of my life.
I didn't have any demonsdirectly connected to my soul,
but I had a human soul fragmentfrom my mom that had the demon
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of jezebel tied to her toinclude some other lesser demons
like fornication, anger, acouple others like that, and
what gave that?
What we I discovered throughinterrogation that I had three
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generations of basically incestand that was giving the demon
legal right to operate in my mom.
Which gave the demon legal rightto operate in me.
That was primarily the primarysource of my anger and
bitterness was around my mom andsome of the mental and physical
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abuse around my mom and thatgave the demons a strong hold to
torment me and make me have theangry outbursts.
And even though I've asked theLord a million times that I
forgive my mom and what she did,sometimes it takes an outside
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person to help you look insideobviously benefited from having
outside person look inside forme and eventually it led to the
fact where I could get angryevery once in a while, but I
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would say it went from before mydeliverance session, where it
was once a week, to now where itcould be eight or 10 weeks
before I get upset and it wouldbe in.
The intensity is a lot lesslower.
It's definitely a lot lessfrequent and it's shorter and
I'm in control and I don't feellike somebody else is doing it.
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But that's what he found.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Awesome.
Thank you so much, man, forsharing that with us.
And I will explain this to youguys those of you who have
listened for a while.
You know what a soul part is.
We've talked about it quite abit.
But through abuse, trauma,control, manipulation,
domination, a tiny fragment of aperson's soul can get embedded
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in your consciousness.
You're never going to find thisin the Bible.
Let me say that again You'renever going to find this in the
Bible.
But show me in the Bible whereit says that we should have
Sunday school classes.
Show me in the Bible where itsays we should have services on
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Sundays and Wednesdays.
You're not going to find it inthe Bible.
You know why churches do thisBecause it works and it's based
on experience.
For many of years, churcheshave stumbled through trying to
figure out what works and theyfound something that works, and
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this is why they do it becauseit works.
It's not in the Bible.
Now.
You may not appreciate thatformat that most churches have
adopted.
I get that, but my point is notthat.
My point is you're not going tofind that in the Bible, just
like you're not going to findsoul part in the Bible.
Now, there may be somereferences in there somewhere,
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but this is based on Dr Larsonperforming over 50,000 exorcisms
in over 100 countries.
Something or someone would bespeaking through the person to
him that wasn't a demon.
So in his experience he beganto interrogate what are you?
Are you human or are you spirit?
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And these entities would sayhuman, I'm his mother or I'm her
ex-lover, or I'm the psychicshe visited, etc.
So, based on his experience,he's developed strategies, just
like the church has developedstrategies of Sunday school
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classes, breaking them up intodifferent ages, etc.
Etc.
Instead of everybody meeting inone big congregation all
children, all teenagers, allyoung adults and hearing sermons
.
They figured that didn't work.
They found something that didwork Sunday school class, not in
the Bible.
So here we have Michael with asoul part of his mother in his
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mind, and when a soul part of aperson gets in your mind, they
bring demons.
Now, just to let you guys know,this is extremely common in
witchcraft.
They have no problems with thiswhatsoever because they do it
and use it all the time.
This is legitimately real.
So he's got a soul part of hismother in his mind.
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The mother comes in withJezebel, anger, fornication,
lust, whatever else was allthere with good old mom.
So Dr Larson dealt with thatsituation, got rid of the soul
part from his mother and got ridof the demons attached with the
mother to free him up in hissoul.
That's his exorcism experience.
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Not everybody's is that simple.
Michael said he did a lot ofcleanup work on his own and some
of you listening have done alot of cleanup work on your own
through Bible, through study,through counseling, through
doing a Christian drill.
But he said a key point herethat it oftentimes requires
someone on the outside to helpyou on the inside.
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Let me say that again itoftentimes takes the help of
someone on the outside to helpyou on the inside.
He had done a lot of cleanup onhis own but there were still
some mild sort of issueslingering.
Larson says you need to comeout and they got that little bit
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cleaned up.
That's awesome.
I hope this episode has yourhead spinning with a million
questions.
But more importantly, I hopethat it challenges you to
understand that it doesn'tmatter if you have a doctorate
degree.
It doesn't matter what you havea doctorate degree, doesn't
matter what university you wentto, doesn't matter how
successful you are in life.
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Most people who are successfulare broken.
How do I know that?
Because we're all human and ashuman beings, we are broken,
sinful people.
It's only by the grace of JesusChrist that any of us can be
saved.
We are sinful people and verybroken, and exorcism is just a
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healing process.
It's part of the healingjourney.
That's it.
It's just a component of it.
You still need counseling, youstill need to be in a church,
etc.
Etc.
But this is just a missingcomponent in many people's lives
.
So you don't have to live withyour junk anymore.
(47:27):
This works, folks.
We have Michael here explainingit to us.
This is awesome.
Michael, I want to thank youvery much for taking the time to
come on and share with us.
I know that you have anextremely busy schedule.
I greatly appreciate your timeand at the end of every episode,
(47:48):
I always ask my guest to sharesome encouraging words with the
audience.
Many people have been listeningfrom day one.
Some of them know they havedemons and they just haven't
made that step of humility tosay I need help.
Others have.
Some people are new listening.
(48:08):
This is their first episodetheir head's spinning Exorcism,
demons I could have demons.
And there are Christians whocome back because they're just
dipping their toes in this isall new to them.
They've never really thought aChristian could have demons.
But they're hearing this andthey're like, wait a minute,
maybe I don't know.
Michael, for the audience, canyou share some words of
(48:33):
encouragement with them aboutexorcism, about how you humbled
yourself with your level ofintelligence, with your level of
education?
You humbled yourself and wentfor that outside help to help
you on the inside.
Can you share someencouragement with the audience?
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Go ahead, man.
Sure, I'd love to, like you'resaying it's a really humbling
process and you have to comeface to face.
You have to be an adult andcome face to face with your
challenges, your problems andtake responsibility.
But looking back at me goingthrough my experience, I'm so
(49:16):
thankful I did, because there'sa couple of key components that
you have to go through.
First, you have to humbleyourself before the Lord and
pride is one of the biggest sinsthat took down Satan and takes
down the rest of us every dayand humbling yourself before the
Lord.
And then, through thedeliverance process, of course,
(49:38):
you're going to repent of allthe things that you've done,
you're going to renounce, you'regoing to stop habitual sin,
you're going to own up to it andyou're going to ask the Lord
for forgiveness, and that's avery important piece in order to
qualify for deliverance.
And then to me the part aboutforgiveness for deliverance.
(49:59):
And then to me the part aboutforgiveness.
It's so important to forgivepeople and if we're not fully
forgiving everyone, then you'renot, you won't qualify for
deliverance or exorcism.
And so you really have toforgive everybody.
And starting, I would saystarting with the parents.
A lot of people have challengeswith a parent.
(50:21):
I'm a parent myself.
I hope my children forgive mefor the mistakes I've made, but
it's really important to forgive, forgive and forgive.
The Lord has a really highstandard when it comes to
forgiveness and so, through thehumility, repent, renounce,
forgive and turn away from anylife of sin at all.
(50:50):
But there's a couple of thingsthat I've gotten from
deliverance.
The first thing which I foundreally interesting is I've heard
church songs and hymns forabout two months.
So every day that I woke up forthe two months after I did my
exorcism, I heard a differentsong, some songs I haven't even
heard of.
It's been 30 years since I'veheard the song.
(51:12):
It was really interesting to me.
I'd wake up and I'd hearsinging, like singing from
heaven, and everybody has adifferent experience.
But that's what I heard forabout two months.
And then I felt like a hugeburden off my back, like my neck
, my shoulders, always sore, andthis huge weight got lifted off
(51:35):
my back.
And then my family and mychildren think I'm different.
They're like, oh, you're muchnicer now and it's the truth.
I'm more at peace, like I'mvery slow to anger, just quiet,
a quiet peace.
I sleep really well, like Isleep like a baby.
(51:55):
So there's all these benefitsand gifts that you get from
setting yourself free and it'shard to tell until you've gone
through the process.
The pre-deliverance me and thepost-deliverance is two
different people.
I'll never.
I never want to be the person Iwas before I had my exorcism.
Being free is wonderful.
(52:16):
I'm waking up every day andbeing free.
So I would just say it's andit's very hard to tell whether
you have them or not, but mostof the people that I've come
across I have demons.
So just going through theprocess it's just wonderful and
I encourage everybody to do it.
(52:36):
Just there's just so many.
And then the financial reward.
I wasn't even looking for anyof that and just everything.
And then for me, finding mypersonal destiny.
How many of us wake up everyday and we're having
conversations with God and we'relike what do you want to do
with my life?
I bet you, 80% of the audience,is like asking the Lord what
(52:59):
purposes do you have for me?
What good works do you haveprepared for me to do?
And I think if you go through adeliverance and exorcism, the
Lord will make it very clearwhat he wants you to do and how
to serve the kingdom.
And there's, I can go to sleepat night knowing I'm doing what
I'm supposed to be doing.
Speaker 1 (53:19):
You may be demon possessed and this is the first
time you're coming to therealization of it.
If that's you, I'd like toinvite you right now to go to my
website, justindeedcom, andbook a session with me.
Until next time, God bless.
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