June 13, 2025 • 50 mins
Stephen and Mike review Jefferson Golf Club with the help of Mike’s daughter Annaliese. They talk about Mike and Annaliese's experience volunteering at the US Women's open, and how close houses should be to the fairways. Also, can you put a road in-between the tee box and green on a par 3?
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I'm Steven. And I'm Mike.
And this is the Bowie. Breakdown.
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We're two brothers attempting togolf every golf course in the
state of Wisconsin. All while trying to manage our
schedule, avoid getting fired, raise our families and do our
best to try to make time for golf.
That is a struggle, especially during the summer time when you
have a lot of kids and they're all doing sports and everything
else, and I feel like every weekend has something going on.
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And you also have other projectsto do, including mowing the
lawn, getting ready for camping,showing up and being a dad every
once in a while. Which, yeah, you're camping
experience right now. You're decided to RIP apart your
camper right before you went camping.
Yeah, that's. Very logical.
It's a smart thing to do. Very logical.
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Also, we have a special guest today on the podcast and I will
introduce her since she's my daughter and she's also the only
one sitting in this in the Esteem Podcast Studios for the
bogey breakdown that has gotten a hole in one Annalise welcome.
Hi, thanks for having me. So we thought we would bring her
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on. She's played with us at the
course we're doing a review on today, but also towards the end
of this episode, we're going to talk a little bit about the US
Women's Open. And my daughter Annalise and I
had a chance to volunteer there.So it might be kind of fun to
get your thoughts on what the the US Women's Open looked like
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and what we actually did there as volunteers.
Excited to talk about it. So we journeyed to Jefferson
Golf Course in Jefferson, WI of all places and Steven.
Yeah, so the the golf course is an interesting course.
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It's only 13 holes opposed to your typical 18 or 9 hole
course. So on their website they said
that they were reopened in 2010 as a 13 hole nonprofit after the
last 18 hole course, which was named in Meadow Springs, was
closed in 2009. And it sounds like they weren't
able to get all eighteen holes when they bought the leased land
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and that it's overseen by a charitable golf group that's ran
by a volunteer board of directors.
So it's it's definitely not yourtypical golf course.
It's very like the everything isvery small.
The the the pro shop is just a small little.
I don't want to. It's like a little pole barn
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shed, like a a miniature miniature sized 1.
Well, yeah, I mean, it's finished a little bit more
nicely. It is on.
The Pole shed? Yeah, at least some of the
Polish beds I've been. Yeah, it's definitely better
than finished, better than your pole barn shed is right now.
True, true, it's insulated. Yes, but it does not have a
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simulator like yours. Actually, I don't, I don't maybe
they do. I didn't, I didn't go across to
look, but it it's possible. Yeah, the course is being built
in a pond by all the houses thatare in the area.
Every time I go back there, I feel like I see another house.
But for what it is, it's it's a lot of fun to be able to go out
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and just do a quick, quick round.
It's it's interesting because like when you're trying to get a
quick round in, which I feel like we always are trying to get
a quick round in, it's nice to be able to go out and play a
little bit more than nine holes.But it's not that full 18.
Yeah, 13 holes you can get through pretty quick and I
don't, I don't know if there areany other golf courses in the
state of Wisconsin that are only13.
No, I've played a 12 hole courseover by The Dells Baraboo area.
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They have one. I can't remember the name of
that but. I I know which one you're
talking about. Yeah, it's right over there by
the casino A. Lot of par threes on that one.
Yeah, I it's a par 52 and I would say it's pretty.
It's, it's very playable. Yeah.
So Annalise and I went out one morning, early morning tee
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times, dew is still on the ground.
And I will say, when you walk upto a hole #1 the flag looks like
it's a half a mile away. It is a pretty a pretty long
hole to start the day off. And there's no driving range.
There's no driving range. So you've got to be warmed up
and when we played, the sun was just coming up over the horizon
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and right in our eyeballs. So tell us, Annalise, opening
hole, you're standing up there, you're excited to start your
day. How did it go?
Well, not as good as I had hopedfor the 1st hole to start the
day off, but I also decided to not wake up extra early and get
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some practice in before so. Yeah, I did warm up because I'm,
I'm 40 now. I had to warm up for a little
while in order to be able to even swing a club without
dislocating something or entering something.
I'm not as young and spry as apparently you are.
Well, I I thought I was young and surprised, but standing at
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that first tea box it dawned on me that I probably should have
warmed up a little bit because Isaw how long that hole was and I
I got a little scared for a second.
Yeah, it definitely opens. It's a difficult par five, yeah.
546 from the back Tees, which iswhere we typically play and it's
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it's you go down. So you're you're at an elevated
T box, you're going down and then you go back up to an
elevated green. And I don't think I've ever made
a decent score in that hole. Yeah, it's, it is tough.
There's there's a couple of houses to the right when you're
standing up there and all like actually we'll talk a little bit
about Annalise's favorite hole in a little bit.
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But the house is to the right every time.
I think I'm just going to say it's early in the morning.
I'm imagining I'm just going to send a missile right through
their window. I've.
I've only ever played the courseearly in the morning and I've
probably played it like 3 Times Now and I've only ever played it
in the morning and that there's a lot of houses on that course.
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I mean, I feel like I wouldn't say every hole, but I would say
probably 6 out of the holes thatthey have out there, there is
houses to pull in the right. Yeah.
Having said that, it is, it is afun course to play.
I think it's very playable and reasonably, reasonably priced.
But that whole neighborhood is under construction.
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Yep. So when we were there, they let
us know that a couple of the holes were shut down because
they were pouring concrete for sidewalks that were going
through there. Annalise and I did not remember
which holes they told us. Well, they did not look under
construction when we were accidentally playing on them,
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but. What?
What could have given us some clues is when we had to stop and
wait for the construction. I still get out of the trail.
We should have realized that when we were driving down a
completely torn up gravel path just to get to the to the tea
box. It was a little suspicious, but.
The grounds keeper that was on the other side, he was mulling.
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He was very, very friendly. But he did stop us and he's
like, question for you, how did you guys get over here?
Hope and a prayer we're. Like, hey, we drove.
They moved out of the way so. It was free game, yeah.
They moved out of the way for yeah, live and live and learn, I
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guess. But we did get to play a whole
8-9, so I apologize to the construction crew out there
wondering why we were so dense as to drive right through.
Yeah. And and for the prices wise on
the course, it's thirteen holes.If you play Monday through
Thursday, it's $21.00 for 13 with A and then if you get a
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cart, it's 15. I would say that the cart is a
good idea just because you're going around, you're playing a
few holes on one side of the road and you got to walk across
the road and and it could be a quite a long walk.
But I feel like if it it would not be terrible to walk it
because you're not playing the full 18.
It's probably about the same distance as a full 18 though.
Except hole number one. Yeah, except by the time you're
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done walking down the fairway ofhole number.
One walking down, walking to theleft, walking to the right,
trying to find your ball. I would say though, that the I
I'm always pleasantly surprised when I go to play it at how well
maintained they make it. Like the course, the fairways
have always been cut well. The greens are a lot faster than
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you would think that they are. They're they're pretty hard, but
the course is maintained pretty well.
Not not being an expert in grasstypes, I do see that they have
on their website that they feature bent grass fairways, so
I don't know what the grass bending process is.
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Yeah, they're out there with like a little tweezers.
Just got to bend that right. But I feel like if we're going
to do more golf course reviews, we should probably do some
research. Speaking of grass, I was
watching some of the clips for the for the the men's U.S.
Open, which is going to be at Oakmont this year, and watching
how thick that rough is is crazy.
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And then there was their guy wasthe hedge ground keeper.
There was doing a video on how they get it to be so thick.
And he's like, typically it plays at like 2 1/2 inches for
how tall the rough is there. And they're playing it at 5 for
the for the open. And he said that they have to do
like a special mowing. So they they don't just go and
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grow it from 2 1/2 inches to 5 inches.
They go and they like every single time that they or they'll
go and mow it four times, you know, each mowing they'll mow it
four times at a an extra half aninch until they get to that 5
inches to make sure. It's thick.
To make sure it's thick. And he said that the grass will
strengthen the longer that you let it grow.
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So he's like, they're supposed to be punishing when you don't?
Miss the very it's like. Yeah, they drop the ball in
there and you can't see it anymore.
I've also wondered if any like are they going to check people's
wrists and oh gosh joints after that tournament because it is
thick. I've seen a few videos of people
playing the course in advance and it is brutal.
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Yeah, they're they're playing the course and then the greens
are at 16 that that's they're rolling at I this is not what
you're going to find here at Jefferson, but it was just an
interesting thing I saw about grass so.
Well, we'll, we'll have to do some research on grass so that
we become expert grass aficionados, but that is not
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here. So this is a little bit of an
abbreviated course and thereforewe're going to have a little bit
of an abbreviated review just because we do want to get into
the US Women's Open. So overall, Annalise, how do you
how do you feel like you played?Well, I don't think it
necessarily played badly. It's a really, really beautiful
course. So even if you you hit a bad
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shot, you just have to look intothe rising sun and you know
everything's going to be OK. I will say that it is a bit
stressful just how many groundskeepers there were out
and about. There, there were.
Watching your every shot. And.
Stressing you out. I think at one point I did make
a comment that for a small course, there were a ton of
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grounds grew out there, but it maybe they're all volunteer.
It could be. Yeah, that would be interesting.
I doubt it, but. It's possible that there's, you
know, a few of them that are volunteer.
And yeah, if if you are volunteer out at Jefferson Golf
Course, mowing or doing grounds maintenance, shoot us a note.
Let us know because I'm curious.I'm also curious if you are
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volunteering, what sort of kickbacks you're getting.
Yeah. I mean, if you could get a
membership for volunteering out there.
Yeah, you got to sign up on a MOW sheet or something?
Yeah. That would be a pretty pretty
nice kickback. Nothing wrong with that, No.
But yeah, overall I, I think even though it's a short course,
you can make it a long one. Oh, for sure.
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And I did all right, so and a least favorite or least favorite
hole, any, any particular holes you want to talk about?
Well, I do have a least favorite.
I think you called it my favorite in the beginning, but
it's definitely not my favorite.Whole 5.
I believe it was well hold a special place in my heart.
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It's not in theory. It looks like a nice hole, like
it seems pretty straight on, youknow, like not not crazy there.
I believe there's some trees to the left and then a lot of
houses on the right. Yeah, on the right.
And we're playing early in the morning, right as like grandma
and grandpa's would be getting up.
Yeah. And so hopefully.
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Not looking out their window at.At my Slice Imagine you're
retired it's Thursday morning and you're out on your back
patio enjoying the beautiful view you grab your your coffee,
you're taking a sip and then Annalise comes up on the tea box
there's. A horrible slice right into your
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window and then club flying straight at your other window
out of frustration and just don't know what's going on.
Glass. Breaking.
Yeah, I would tell you I'd be mixing my coffee at that point.
Pour a little burping in there that's.
Probably why you had an errant Tshot because by the time you get
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to that all. Yeah, yeah.
So yeah. So you, you decided to visit
those houses just a little bit. I.
I did decide to visit those houses.
I believe that it probably wouldn't have been over there if
it weren't for the fact, as I mentioned before, just how many
groundskeepers there are, you know, watching your every move.
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Because I stood up to the tee box fairly confident I parted
the whole before. So I was like, you know, this is
this might be a good day for me when a groundskeeper decides to
drive right up by the tee box and have a little conversation
and ask us how are golfing's doing?
And then very friendly fellow. Yeah, and he then he didn't
leave. I thought he.
Was he was he was trying to be polite so we didn't make any
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movement in your back so. Yeah, well, then I I had him
watching my whole setup, everything, and I was like, is
this guy going to leave or am I just going to have to have all
this pressure? So of course I sliced it right
by the houses. Oh, with all that stress.
But it's an interesting hole because you would think that by
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the houses it would be a nicer grass and nicer area, but no,
it's not. Yeah, there's like a big ditch
there. Between.
I I would refer to that as the Mariana Trench, yeah.
It is the trenches over there. I lovingly called it that
several times trying to whack myball out of there.
You're like, how was your morning this morning?
I was in the trenches. I was in the trenches, sliced it
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over there and then I tried to hit it out of the trenches only
to be back in the trenches. But the groundskeeper?
Don't worry, he was still watching.
He was there. He was very concerned about me
getting out of. Those trenches, he.
He needed to stay until he made sure I got out.
He was sitting there making surethat if there was anybody on the
porch out there, they were not going to get hit.
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He had 911 on speed that just. Waiting.
It's not the first time. It's.
Happened in that morning. He also had a supply of in there
for anybody that was in the trenches.
He didn't offer. He didn't offer it up, though it
was needed. Selling, selling something to
help with the nerves, everythingget done.
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Yeah, that one is a it's a fun par 5 because you've also got
some bunkers down there too. So as soon as soon as you get it
out of the trenches. I believe that that happened to
me, didn't it? Out of the trenches, right into
the bunker. It sounds like you were in World
War 2. That was a war zone.
I, I was, I was going through itand that was coming off of a
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par. So I really think that it was
the groundskeeper. I don't know his name, but I'm I
will find him. Sooner or later, we'll call him
Bogey. Bogey, Bill.
Yeah, Bogey bill. Triple bogey, Bill.
That's what I got. Triple bogey, Bill.
Yeah. So the whole prior which you
part it was that that hole is under construction.
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Yeah, it's been under construction for as many times
as I've ever played there. Yeah, I don't know if I've ever
played from the property boxes. No, I've never played from AT
box there because they don't even it's I don't know what
they're doing there either. I I'm I'm always so confused
because it's like there's like atypically make their Rd. in
between the whole. You may, you may have some sort
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of cart path that's going up through there.
No, that's a, that's a giant Rd.Yeah, yeah, you gotta have to
tee off on the other side of theroad.
It might help you hit the road. Nice little bounce.
Right under the green. Triple Vokey bills there to stop
traffic. Yeah, that would be, that would
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be hole 4. Yeah, yeah.
And it says that it's 130 yards,but I've never played it at 130
yards. I think when we played it, it
was running at about like 60 yards and I don't.
One of my strengths is not 60 yards.
An end no, Whereas I feel prettyconfident like chipping and and
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closer to the green now that is not you.
No some stress. I feel like maybe a scramble
wouldn't be bad now because I can get, you know, my pudding is
getting better, my chipping is getting better, but you can hit
it off the tea. But.
Well, I I actually liked hole #5even though the trenches were
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down there, because if you do hit a good tee shot, the fairway
does slope to the right and it kind of kicks your ball back
down the hill towards the hole, which I think it did for me.
Yeah, so it was. Great.
Not in the trenches. It was great like I was.
Yeah, or when you and I were playing out there, you also had
a Mike. Your dad had a a bad time on the
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whole as well. I remember correctly.
That's the only time I'll be left straight then.
He hit a second shot OB, and then he hit his third shot or
fourth shot, fifth shot, whatever shot it was.
There's a lot of shots. To the right path, the bunker,
yeah that that hole, if you had a good tee shot it, it can be a
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fun hole to play. I personally am not a huge fan
of it. I like hole 6, which is the hole
right after that. It's a par 4, pretty straight.
You do have water that comes into play on the left hand side
of the green. And then you also have houses,
which I have hit. Luckily it just hit the roof and
bounced off, but I've also hit ahouse on whole 5.
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As well well. They they for some reason are
very close to the the green and the trenches.
Yeah, that's probably the closest that I've had houses to
a fairway on a course. With no safety netting.
Either there's no safety nettingI I there.
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There definitely has been brokenwindows at that course, I would
have to say. 100%. I would say my least favorite
hole is probably number. It would either be #3 just
because I've never played it from from a tee box there, or it
would have to be #11 it's a very, it's a short par four, 355
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yards. But I've never had a good tee
shot there. I'm pretty sure that I've always
hit that OB right. There's a cornfield on the right
hand side and there's water on the left hand side, so.
You have to have an accurate drive.
You have to have an accurate. Drive that one, that one's 350.
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You hold #11 it's 357 yards and there's water that if you want
to carry it on the left hand side, you can.
It's about a 200 and 36240 yard carry over the water.
I actually think I carry. I, I actually think, actually,
no, I think I hit the fairway. Yeah, I think we both had good
we. We both.
Had good, I was just short of the green up there.
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So hole, hole #11 was, was is one of my favorites.
I I enjoyed that one as well as hole 13, which is the finishing
hole Part 3. And this is the one where you
actually told me my club selection.
Do you remember this? I do remember.
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That yeah, yeah. And what happened?
And I didn't. Trust the green.
I didn't trust you on the club selection.
I thought I was going to go longand this is a big spoiler alert.
It went long it. Went long.
Correct. So then I had to re T however on
my recovery shot. So I shipped it up through the
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branches and miraculously made it not that far.
From the flag, yeah, you were probably 4 feet.
Yeah, that, that actually is probably one of my best average
scoring holes of any course anywhere.
So I I normally average par on that hole.
It's great. Good for you.
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Thank you. We could have played that hole,
Annalise, if you and I had followed the the rules course
instruction instead of jumping back on across the road.
Yeah. So as far as the overall course
rating, how would we rate this course?
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And Annalise I, I don't know howmuch you listen to our podcast,
but our rating system goes. Yeah, we have to explain this.
It goes from a double bogey downto a hole in one.
So hole in one would be the bestwell.
If you account for the trenches,I would say it's pretty middle
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of the road, probably like a parsure, maybe a birdie.
So it's it's a beautiful course if you if you play it well.
Yeah, especially holes 6:00 and 7:00, which you have a waterfall
or a big pond there. And I think that there's a a not
a waterfall, but it shoots waterup into the.
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Air like a water fountain. A water fountain.
There you go. Yeah, those ones are.
Those ones are very. Pretty the technical term for a
water fountain is a water fountain.
So par Yeah, pretty middle of the road.
Pretty middle of the road. Yeah, yeah, I I'm going to
agree. I think for $36, I think for
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cards, yeah, it's pretty reasonably priced.
I think I'm going to, to me it it's probably between like a
bogey and a par. It would be a par or better I
think, once they're done with construction and it's a little
bit more playable. Yeah, I would agree it once at
some point if they finish hole 4because because the rest of the
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holes when I've played out therehave not been under construction
so. Yeah, if you can get on that
hole #4 and figure out what's going on with the road
situation. Bogey Bill.
Yeah, yeah. Can you let us know?
Drop. A bogey bill shoot us a note,
but they could be trying to get permitting from the city to be
able to actually have a tee box on the other side.
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Someone, some of that City Council is like, that's a bad.
Idea. Yeah, it, it definitely is a bad
idea. I would say for me, for how well
the course is maintained the rest of the holes, besides hole
#4 I would say that it is a, a par for me.
Yeah, it's it's a, it's an enjoyable course and it's nice
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to be able to go through goal and play it quickly.
I know that me and my buddy Chris, we go out there and play
early morning tee times and it's, it's nice to be able to
just go out there. You can get, you know, get a 640
tee time and be done before before 9.
So I'd say it's a part for me. Yeah, I, I also think there's
it's great for beginner golfers,it's great for families.
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When Annalise and I were out there, there was a like a
father, son, wife, daughter foursome that that we passed
coming back and then literally right behind them were these two
elderly ladies teeing off that look like they were very grumpy.
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They they definitely were. Very serious about about what
they were doing. Their mood was not going to get
any. Better on hole 5.
If triple bogey bills, they're watching them headed to the
trenches then. Maybe, maybe they would say
something to him. They probably would.
They probably chat with them thewhole time.
They'll come running with their clubs.
That's what they look like. They.
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Yeah, they. See Bogey.
Bill, we were bogey. Bill trying to knock them.
They are running with their we were headed back to the
clubhouse going the back route because we had taken the wrong
and so we had to come up all #1 and those, those ladies had just
teed off and we tried, you know,being friendly.
It's early morning. Tried to wave him down and say
hi as we were driving by and there was some scowls and I'm
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pretty sure they were looking atus like what are those
whippersnappers doing out in themiddle of the fairway going the
wrong way? Very suspicious that's probably
what they sounded like too All right so they, there is not any
major food options that we are aware of and I, I did what's
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interesting is if you look on Google reviews, it's actually
pretty highly rated on Google reviews 138 reviews, 4.3 stars
that's pretty decent. However, I, I want to put a plug
in for a local hamburger stand. So if you're in Jefferson, you
go get around it in the morning and you're hungry, you're
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looking for lunch Wheedles, which is right in the main
downtown spot. They've got like a little Hut
outside. And then if you go inside the
corner building, they also have an ice cream parlor.
And I've been there a couple Times Now with the kids and it
is phenomenal. And apparently you guys haven't
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gone to Wheedles. I've never been.
I. Never.
Actually, I think I have heard of it because I think that I had
a classmate work there. It's very possible.
It's never. Been there though.
It's like the classic walk up and order your burger outside at
a stand. You don't quite know what's in
the food, you don't ask questions, you give them the
money, you get your food and youleave.
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But quite delightful. I will, I will say quite
delightful. So that's the bogey breakdown on
Jefferson Golf Course. Yeah.
So as far as a difference in golf courses goes, let's talk a
little bit about Aaron Hills. So just to give some background,
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I had a chance to volunteer out there with my daughter and we
were out there for a number of days.
And the just of it, we were in fan services and it was, it's a
really cool thing to be able to have an event like the US Women
Open, come to Wisconsin and be less than an hour from our
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house. So we're pretty excited about
that. So as far as what we did and at
least tell us a little bit aboutwhat our volunteer
responsibilities were. Yeah.
So I, most of the time when people ask me what I was doing
over there, my, my answer would be that it is a lot of helping
old people learn how to use their phone, helping them
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download the online map, which is the only map, but mostly just
giving directions, you know, helping people when it was
needed. But yeah, a lot of helping
elderly people, which which is fine.
It's, it's nice to see so many older people there because it
just reminds you of just the fact that golf is such a
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lifetime sport. You see all these old people out
there watching and you just, andit really stays with you your
whole life. Like just people of all ages
just out there watching. They've probably played this
course before and many others. So it's nice to see them out
there and just enjoying a sport that anybody can play.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that it's crazy to think
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that you can go out and watch the best golfers in the world
play and then you can go book a tee time and play on the same
course. So we got a chance after during
one of the practice rounds just to go follow a couple foursomes
around and see how they were practicing, which they're
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practicing is very different than mine.
So watching on the 2nd hole, just a couple of the lady
golfers, I don't even, I'm not even sure which group it was or
just kind of watching them as they come through.
But just to see the amount of effort that goes into every
putt, every chip. And we were watching one of the
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golfers and after every single putt, she was literally she had
a notebook and was jotting down notes about how it broke, what
was going on. Left, right.
Yeah, I'm not even sure exactly.I, I wouldn't even know what to
write, to be honest. I if I was her, I'd just be
screaming with it kind of went to the left a little bit.
I'm not sure why. Maybe that's what she was doing.
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She was just nervous. Yeah, maybe so.
She was just scribbling. You get the, you get the
notebook back. There's nothing in it but just.
A couple sketches to prevent to help the nerves she's doodling.
In between. Shots.
It's actually her list of placesshe's like to go to lunch after
this. Yeah.
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That's what mine would be. Well, I I know that the there
was some comments that I had seen online afterwards about
whether or not they intentionally made those greens
unfair because they were brutal.So an example would be hole
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number six, which is a par three.
I sat and watched golfer after golfer after golfer hit a great
shot to the middle of the green.It just doesn't hold and it
slowly trickles off the back andcompletely runs all the way off
into the rough, which is just brutal.
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But yeah, you're right. As as volunteers, our
responsibility was when people came through the gate.
So if you're at the US Women's Open and you, you saw a very
handsome looking 40 year old guyand a lovely looking daughter of
his smiling and greeting, you would know that that was
awesome. Autographs later, but just
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trying to help direct them in the right place to go and and
make sure that they can find their way around.
I was surprised at the amount ofscooters that were out on the
scooters. Were wild.
I made many comments about how they should have had some safety
controls on the speed of these scooters because they had a
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whole fleet of scooters that youdidn't really need to show proof
of disability to use, surprisingly.
And then you just had old peoplejust.
Absolutely cruising on these scooters like.
They were going faster than the golf carts.
I I was scared that there was going to be a 911 call any day
with how fast these old people were driving on their scooters,
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like around the golf course. They did tell us that if there
was an emergency, don't try to find someone with a radio, just
call 911. Like, OK, one guy did fall off
his there's some sort of a scooter incident.
No, I I believe that was a golf cart.
That. We witnessed, I don't really
know what happened. All I know is that there was a
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huge loud thud and then a guy onthe ground so.
As far as the the crowds that were coming in, I don't know
what some of the past participation has been at at US
Women's Open. So it'd be interesting to see
what the overall turn out was, but definitely groups of people
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were following Nellie Quarter around.
Yeah, for sure. So almost inevitably, someone
would walk in, walk up to us andfanservice, and what was the
first question they asked? Oh, where's Nellie?
At Yeah. I was just saying, you see that
huge group of people up on the hill there.
That's exactly. Where she that's where she is.
Yeah, it says an estimated attendance between 40 and
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60,000. Sure, sure.
And what what does that compare to prior years?
I'll have to look up you guys. Well, I I will say that having
Nelly Corda, you had Charlie Hull and you had Lexi all in one
grouping on Friday. Was that Friday I think.
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Yeah, that was the first day that we were out there that that
grouping had a huge following. And what do you think about the
comments? We were there when Charlie Hole
sat down. It was on Yeah hole #9 Part 3.
I saw a bunch of pictures floating around and there was
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some controversy about her beingannoyed because of slow play.
Yeah, I thought that was a little crazy, to be honest.
Personally, I would be sitting down at every single.
Hole. Just because of how hilly of a
course it is as well, Not just long, but it's very hilly.
Yeah, it's it's a walk. It's a hike to get back to some
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of those holes back. There in the for sure.
Yeah, so IA couple years ago I volunteered for the USGA men's
mid AM and was a walking scorer and walked that course a couple
times and it is, it's a little over 8 miles at least from when
I walked before. And I don't know what the total
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elevation is, but there's a lot of elevation up and down.
And so they came off of hole #8 walked over to hole #9 and
Charlie Hole was well in front of both Lexi and Nelly Corda and
sat down. And then you've got the rumors
swirling about whether or not she was angry on slow play.
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I will say they were playing slow comparatively, but if I had
$2,000,000 on the line I also would probably be taking my
time. I don't know if they penalize
on. It they do.
So I actually looked that up before we started recording.
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I was just curious to see what the pace of play was on the LPGA
versus the PGA. And I didn't get a real good
answer about that. But it says that the LPGA is
actually stricter on their pace of play than the PGA is.
And they get penalized after like 5 seconds.
So they have 40 seconds to hit ashot and then they get penalized
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after that based on increments that go, you know, up to 20
seconds, you could be penalized 2 strokes.
So if you take 60 seconds to hita shot, you could be penalized 2
strokes. Really, I don't think that I
don't know how enforced it is because I feel like that there
was. And I also don't know if like
when do they consider that you're hitting a shot?
Is it standing over the ball right, you know?
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Like when you get up to the ballto hit, you have so much time
that you have as a leeway, yeah.Yeah.
And then I also looked up what the record attendance was.
So in 2015, the US Women's Open had 135,000 and then last year
they also had 135,000. That was their highest records
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for the USPGA or the USLGPPG. A Right, right.
I was a lot of letters there. A lot of lot of letters.
I was curious because Aaron Hill's being in Wisconsin, it's
also not necessarily a course that's super convenient to any
major metropolitan area. I mean, it's not too far from
Milwaukee, but to get out there and I don't know how they would
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handle some of the parking. The parking is wild.
And you've got to walk you through the same hilly elevation
at the golf course is not where you park.
But overall, I, I think the, youknow, the USGA did a, a great
job and setting it up. They, they had kind of a fan
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central area with different activities that you could do.
And at Aaron Hills they have something called the Drumlin
putting course. So it, it was kind of cool to be
able to go out and actually participate in in putt on the
drumlin putting course. And if you can make a hole in
one with your putt. They were giving away Apple
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Watches, in case anybody was wondering.
Yeah, it it was. I feel like they did a So my
daughter and I, she's 9. We went for one day on Friday
and we went and watched. We actually were part of the
group that was falling around Natalie for a while and it was
fun to see her like being so enthralled seeing, you know,
that the golfers and and being able to there's a few places
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where you walk across the fairway when you're following
the golfers and she was like, they were just down here, just
not like, you know, she was she was pretty excited about it, but
I felt like as just going there as a fan, it was very well set
up and you know, they had a lot of a lot of things for kids and
they also. Had a nice little spot for kids
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to go get autographs from the players as they warmed up on the
putting greens as well as when the players are coming off of
when we were there. Whole 9 was the finishing hole,
but that was a lot of fun to go there and she got a ton of
autographs from Nellie and and Lexie and all of them.
So it was, I felt like it was very well set up and it was fun
to go to. And just having that in
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Wisconsin was pretty awesome. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Any other final thoughts on the US Women's Open Annalise?
I'd just say that overall it wasreally well set up.
Aaron Hills is a beautiful course, as scary as it looks
though. But no, it was really well set
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up. It just it had a really great
atmosphere, very fan focused. Well, and because we were
volunteers, we earned a our green fees.
So our our goal is to golf therenext year.
Yeah, I have to lower my handicap quite.
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A bit to. Be prepared for that.
I bet triple bunker Bob would probably come out to help.
Yeah, no trenches there though, thankfully.
Everywhere's trench, that is true.
There are, there's. Trenches on the Greens.
Yeah, it's crazy something. Else and I wonder what the
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difference is and like the speedthat they're running at for just
their normal, you know, everydaycourse compared to what they
have them running for a championship course.
And you and I were actually talking this afternoon while we
were playing league about how Aaron Hills is a newer golf
course and how it hasn't been around it.
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It's pretty cool that they were able to host 2 majors here in
Wisconsin at at such a new course.
Yeah, yeah. And really make a reputation for
themselves and the golf world asbeing one of the best golf
courses globally. It'd be interesting to hear more
about the story of Aaron Hills and obviously, being in
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Wisconsin, we will have to do a course review.
We will be doing a sounds like next year about you breakdown.
I'll have to pay my green. Speed.
Yeah, you'll have to pay, so start saving now.
Caddies are not or Caddies are optional, but I would say
they're not really optional. You you need someone who knows
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what's going on, Yeah. And to carry your bag.
Also to carry your bag. That's a long course to walk.
Even just walking around, following the golfers and just
walking from one side of you know what the holes that are in
the back 1817 all the way back up to the front, that's that's a
long walk. I, I mean how many people do we
have walk in through the gates, come down by where we were
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standing and then you would tellthem where like hole 6 was or
like the Trophy Club and they just look at you like really I.
Talked that walk. There's oh.
No, that's where the scooters come in here.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just just say you have a
disability, grab one of the scooters, zoom around on that
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thing. It's gonna be like, you're not
walking, isn't. It's gonna be like, wow, this is
so easy. Yeah, I, I don't believe that
you have to do too much to get one, to be honest, because
there, there's a few times I sawpeople stand up off the scooters
and start walking around. I was a little suspicious that
they might not have needed it asmuch.
As they said, we didn't see too many dead batteries, which I was
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kind of surprised. There was a couple that at
towards the end of the day whereto get to the scooter return,
you had to go up a hill and they're limping in and there's
some beeping going on. But they they made it, they got
back up that they got back up the hill.
So as far as our busy golf life is concerned, yeah.
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Tell us a little bit about your schedule here over the next
couple weeks. Steven, where are we going next?
Yeah. So next week is going to be
Father's Day weekend, so we are taking your guys's camping
reservations up at Peninsula State Park up there.
So I'm going to go play the Peninsula State Golf course up
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there, and you've already playedit, so we'll do.
Couple times. We'll do a review and then we'll
also do a kind of a scorecard breakdown, kind of see where we
fell versus our our score. And then yeah, the the weekends
are filling up so. Yeah, we for for having a
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podcast where we need to start rating all the golf courses
we've not played that much of wehave not.
Played that much of golf? Yeah, it's it's definitely going
to be some schedule finagling toget to get all of the the
courses in and it's going to take us several years.
So hopefully everybody's along for this ride.
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Well, it will. It'll be fun and also big.
Happy Father's Day to all your dad's out there.
This episode will be released onFriday.
Friday. Yep.
So just a couple days before thebig dad's day, you're camping
for Father's Day? Yep, I have no idea what I'm
doing for Father's Day. I know.
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Oh, you do know? I do know I'm a.
Little surprised. OK, all right, All right.
Well, I, I will say that my wifetold me to, to cancel my golf
reservations because I would probably prefer her plans.
So I'm very excited. We'll see.
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We'll, we'll see. Annalise, are you skeptical?
No, I oh you. OK, you're gonna have a good
time. OK all.
Right. Don't worry, I'm excited.
So we might give you an update or report on how our Father's
Day went. So all you dads out there, big
shout out for all that you do make sure that you golf doesn't
get in the way of being a dad. Yeah, make sure and, but also
make sure you get out there and,and get a chance.
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And it's a, it's like we said, it's a great sport to be able to
go out and do things with your kids.
So I'm sure I'll probably be taking one or two of my kids
along with me on Father's Day. That that's true, I decide, no,
Not to extend this out too much,but I was actually just talking
with a beginner golfer dad and one of the things he told me was
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I just, I'd love to go play moregolf, but I feel like, you know,
I, it's not something I can really do with the kids.
And I was like, hold on. I'm like, I've golfed many times
with my kids. I used you as an example where
if we put like, oh, you're one of your boys and he'd sit on the
cart between us whomever, and we'd have their little little
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golf clubs and depending on the course, you can take your kids
right out. There, Jefferson.
Just. Talking about that there there's
a lot of a lot of people when wewere out there, there was a lot
of people out there with their kids and it's it's a great and
it's a great thing to get your kids into.
And the nice thing is like you get to play with your 17 year
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old daughter and I get to play with my 9 year old daughter.
Something that you can do and then hopefully when when AJ is
in her 40s and you're. Even older.
Even older. Zooming around on a scooter?
Yeah. Zooming around on your scooter,
you guys are still able to play it together so it's.
Well, maybe, maybe I'll have a hole in one team by then, so.
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I thought we were even. Yeah, tell us about your hole in
one experience. We've mentioned a couple times
on the podcast, just because that's the most exciting thing
that's happened. Well, I can say it was the best
day of my life and probably the only time in my life that it's
going to occur with, with how I've been golfing in the
trenches lately. No, it was, it was super
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exciting. It was really nice that it was
during a golf meet actually. So then you know it didn't look
like cheating or fake. Other.
People were there. Yeah, there.
Was lots of witnesses. One of my best friends was
golfing with me in a, in a scramble at that meet, actually
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against two other girls and it was a, it was a nice little par
three. It was about 83 yards.
We were out. I just took my 56° and teed it
up and it was a really nice looking shot.
I, I didn't expect it to go in, but I hit it a little bit short
because I, there was water behind the green.
I didn't want it to go in and I I thought it rolled in the
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water, but when we went in thereit rolled into the.
Hole and. We screamed, chest bumped and
then probably scared off everyone within a 50.
Mile radius. So it was pretty exciting.
Well, I got a call from you. Oh yeah, At the same time.
Yeah, with. The chest bumps they.
Wouldn't call me. You were.
I could still hear some yelling in the background, so that was
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pretty cool. Yeah.
Someday, someday I'll get my ownhole in one.
Maybe it Maybe. Maybe.
Well, a very big thank you to Jefferson Golf Course for being
hospitable and understanding that like their course, our
games too are under construction.
Where do you want to see us go next?
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Join us next week for the Bogey Breakdown at Peninsula State
Golf Course. And thank you to Annalise for
joining us as a guest host. Do a review and tell us a little
bit about the US moment. For having me.
Yeah. And listen to us wherever you
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All right, music credits will bein the show notes.
Until next time, thanks for listening to the bogey breakdown
where the bogeys never end. Music.
I'm Steven. And I'm Mike.
And this is the Bowie. Breakdown.
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We're two brothers attempting togolf every golf course in the
state of Wisconsin. All while trying to manage our
schedule, avoid getting fired, raise our families and do our
best to try to make time for golf.
That is a struggle, especially during the summer time when you
have a lot of kids and they're all doing sports and everything
else, and I feel like every weekend has something going on.
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And you also have other projectsto do, including mowing the
lawn, getting ready for camping,showing up and being a dad every
once in a while. Which, yeah, you're camping
experience right now. You're decided to RIP apart your
camper right before you went camping.
Yeah, that's. Very logical.
It's a smart thing to do. Very logical.
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Also, we have a special guest today on the podcast and I will
introduce her since she's my daughter and she's also the only
one sitting in this in the Esteem Podcast Studios for the
bogey breakdown that has gotten a hole in one Annalise welcome.
Hi, thanks for having me. So we thought we would bring her
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on. She's played with us at the
course we're doing a review on today, but also towards the end
of this episode, we're going to talk a little bit about the US
Women's Open. And my daughter Annalise and I
had a chance to volunteer there.So it might be kind of fun to
get your thoughts on what the the US Women's Open looked like
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and what we actually did there as volunteers.
Excited to talk about it. So we journeyed to Jefferson
Golf Course in Jefferson, WI of all places and Steven.
Yeah, so the the golf course is an interesting course.
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It's only 13 holes opposed to your typical 18 or 9 hole
course. So on their website they said
that they were reopened in 2010 as a 13 hole nonprofit after the
last 18 hole course, which was named in Meadow Springs, was
closed in 2009. And it sounds like they weren't
able to get all eighteen holes when they bought the leased land
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and that it's overseen by a charitable golf group that's ran
by a volunteer board of directors.
So it's it's definitely not yourtypical golf course.
It's very like the everything isvery small.
The the the pro shop is just a small little.
I don't want to. It's like a little pole barn
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shed, like a a miniature miniature sized 1.
Well, yeah, I mean, it's finished a little bit more
nicely. It is on.
The Pole shed? Yeah, at least some of the
Polish beds I've been. Yeah, it's definitely better
than finished, better than your pole barn shed is right now.
True, true, it's insulated. Yes, but it does not have a
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simulator like yours. Actually, I don't, I don't maybe
they do. I didn't, I didn't go across to
look, but it it's possible. Yeah, the course is being built
in a pond by all the houses thatare in the area.
Every time I go back there, I feel like I see another house.
But for what it is, it's it's a lot of fun to be able to go out
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and just do a quick, quick round.
It's it's interesting because like when you're trying to get a
quick round in, which I feel like we always are trying to get
a quick round in, it's nice to be able to go out and play a
little bit more than nine holes.But it's not that full 18.
Yeah, 13 holes you can get through pretty quick and I
don't, I don't know if there areany other golf courses in the
state of Wisconsin that are only13.
No, I've played a 12 hole courseover by The Dells Baraboo area.
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They have one. I can't remember the name of
that but. I I know which one you're
talking about. Yeah, it's right over there by
the casino A. Lot of par threes on that one.
Yeah, I it's a par 52 and I would say it's pretty.
It's, it's very playable. Yeah.
So Annalise and I went out one morning, early morning tee
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times, dew is still on the ground.
And I will say, when you walk upto a hole #1 the flag looks like
it's a half a mile away. It is a pretty a pretty long
hole to start the day off. And there's no driving range.
There's no driving range. So you've got to be warmed up
and when we played, the sun was just coming up over the horizon
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and right in our eyeballs. So tell us, Annalise, opening
hole, you're standing up there, you're excited to start your
day. How did it go?
Well, not as good as I had hopedfor the 1st hole to start the
day off, but I also decided to not wake up extra early and get
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some practice in before so. Yeah, I did warm up because I'm,
I'm 40 now. I had to warm up for a little
while in order to be able to even swing a club without
dislocating something or entering something.
I'm not as young and spry as apparently you are.
Well, I I thought I was young and surprised, but standing at
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that first tea box it dawned on me that I probably should have
warmed up a little bit because Isaw how long that hole was and I
I got a little scared for a second.
Yeah, it definitely opens. It's a difficult par five, yeah.
546 from the back Tees, which iswhere we typically play and it's
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it's you go down. So you're you're at an elevated
T box, you're going down and then you go back up to an
elevated green. And I don't think I've ever made
a decent score in that hole. Yeah, it's, it is tough.
There's there's a couple of houses to the right when you're
standing up there and all like actually we'll talk a little bit
about Annalise's favorite hole in a little bit.
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But the house is to the right every time.
I think I'm just going to say it's early in the morning.
I'm imagining I'm just going to send a missile right through
their window. I've.
I've only ever played the courseearly in the morning and I've
probably played it like 3 Times Now and I've only ever played it
in the morning and that there's a lot of houses on that course.
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I mean, I feel like I wouldn't say every hole, but I would say
probably 6 out of the holes thatthey have out there, there is
houses to pull in the right. Yeah.
Having said that, it is, it is afun course to play.
I think it's very playable and reasonably, reasonably priced.
But that whole neighborhood is under construction.
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Yep. So when we were there, they let
us know that a couple of the holes were shut down because
they were pouring concrete for sidewalks that were going
through there. Annalise and I did not remember
which holes they told us. Well, they did not look under
construction when we were accidentally playing on them,
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but. What?
What could have given us some clues is when we had to stop and
wait for the construction. I still get out of the trail.
We should have realized that when we were driving down a
completely torn up gravel path just to get to the to the tea
box. It was a little suspicious, but.
The grounds keeper that was on the other side, he was mulling.
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He was very, very friendly. But he did stop us and he's
like, question for you, how did you guys get over here?
Hope and a prayer we're. Like, hey, we drove.
They moved out of the way so. It was free game, yeah.
They moved out of the way for yeah, live and live and learn, I
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guess. But we did get to play a whole
8-9, so I apologize to the construction crew out there
wondering why we were so dense as to drive right through.
Yeah. And and for the prices wise on
the course, it's thirteen holes.If you play Monday through
Thursday, it's $21.00 for 13 with A and then if you get a
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cart, it's 15. I would say that the cart is a
good idea just because you're going around, you're playing a
few holes on one side of the road and you got to walk across
the road and and it could be a quite a long walk.
But I feel like if it it would not be terrible to walk it
because you're not playing the full 18.
It's probably about the same distance as a full 18 though.
Except hole number one. Yeah, except by the time you're
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done walking down the fairway ofhole number.
One walking down, walking to theleft, walking to the right,
trying to find your ball. I would say though, that the I
I'm always pleasantly surprised when I go to play it at how well
maintained they make it. Like the course, the fairways
have always been cut well. The greens are a lot faster than
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you would think that they are. They're they're pretty hard, but
the course is maintained pretty well.
Not not being an expert in grasstypes, I do see that they have
on their website that they feature bent grass fairways, so
I don't know what the grass bending process is.
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Yeah, they're out there with like a little tweezers.
Just got to bend that right. But I feel like if we're going
to do more golf course reviews, we should probably do some
research. Speaking of grass, I was
watching some of the clips for the for the the men's U.S.
Open, which is going to be at Oakmont this year, and watching
how thick that rough is is crazy.
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And then there was their guy wasthe hedge ground keeper.
There was doing a video on how they get it to be so thick.
And he's like, typically it plays at like 2 1/2 inches for
how tall the rough is there. And they're playing it at 5 for
the for the open. And he said that they have to do
like a special mowing. So they they don't just go and
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grow it from 2 1/2 inches to 5 inches.
They go and they like every single time that they or they'll
go and mow it four times, you know, each mowing they'll mow it
four times at a an extra half aninch until they get to that 5
inches to make sure. It's thick.
To make sure it's thick. And he said that the grass will
strengthen the longer that you let it grow.
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So he's like, they're supposed to be punishing when you don't?
Miss the very it's like. Yeah, they drop the ball in
there and you can't see it anymore.
I've also wondered if any like are they going to check people's
wrists and oh gosh joints after that tournament because it is
thick. I've seen a few videos of people
playing the course in advance and it is brutal.
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Yeah, they're they're playing the course and then the greens
are at 16 that that's they're rolling at I this is not what
you're going to find here at Jefferson, but it was just an
interesting thing I saw about grass so.
Well, we'll, we'll have to do some research on grass so that
we become expert grass aficionados, but that is not
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here. So this is a little bit of an
abbreviated course and thereforewe're going to have a little bit
of an abbreviated review just because we do want to get into
the US Women's Open. So overall, Annalise, how do you
how do you feel like you played?Well, I don't think it
necessarily played badly. It's a really, really beautiful
course. So even if you you hit a bad
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shot, you just have to look intothe rising sun and you know
everything's going to be OK. I will say that it is a bit
stressful just how many groundskeepers there were out
and about. There, there were.
Watching your every shot. And.
Stressing you out. I think at one point I did make
a comment that for a small course, there were a ton of
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grounds grew out there, but it maybe they're all volunteer.
It could be. Yeah, that would be interesting.
I doubt it, but. It's possible that there's, you
know, a few of them that are volunteer.
And yeah, if if you are volunteer out at Jefferson Golf
Course, mowing or doing grounds maintenance, shoot us a note.
Let us know because I'm curious.I'm also curious if you are
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volunteering, what sort of kickbacks you're getting.
Yeah. I mean, if you could get a
membership for volunteering out there.
Yeah, you got to sign up on a MOW sheet or something?
Yeah. That would be a pretty pretty
nice kickback. Nothing wrong with that, No.
But yeah, overall I, I think even though it's a short course,
you can make it a long one. Oh, for sure.
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And I did all right, so and a least favorite or least favorite
hole, any, any particular holes you want to talk about?
Well, I do have a least favorite.
I think you called it my favorite in the beginning, but
it's definitely not my favorite.Whole 5.
I believe it was well hold a special place in my heart.
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It's not in theory. It looks like a nice hole, like
it seems pretty straight on, youknow, like not not crazy there.
I believe there's some trees to the left and then a lot of
houses on the right. Yeah, on the right.
And we're playing early in the morning, right as like grandma
and grandpa's would be getting up.
Yeah. And so hopefully.
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Not looking out their window at.At my Slice Imagine you're
retired it's Thursday morning and you're out on your back
patio enjoying the beautiful view you grab your your coffee,
you're taking a sip and then Annalise comes up on the tea box
there's. A horrible slice right into your
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window and then club flying straight at your other window
out of frustration and just don't know what's going on.
Glass. Breaking.
Yeah, I would tell you I'd be mixing my coffee at that point.
Pour a little burping in there that's.
Probably why you had an errant Tshot because by the time you get
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to that all. Yeah, yeah.
So yeah. So you, you decided to visit
those houses just a little bit. I.
I did decide to visit those houses.
I believe that it probably wouldn't have been over there if
it weren't for the fact, as I mentioned before, just how many
groundskeepers there are, you know, watching your every move.
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Because I stood up to the tee box fairly confident I parted
the whole before. So I was like, you know, this is
this might be a good day for me when a groundskeeper decides to
drive right up by the tee box and have a little conversation
and ask us how are golfing's doing?
And then very friendly fellow. Yeah, and he then he didn't
leave. I thought he.
Was he was he was trying to be polite so we didn't make any
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movement in your back so. Yeah, well, then I I had him
watching my whole setup, everything, and I was like, is
this guy going to leave or am I just going to have to have all
this pressure? So of course I sliced it right
by the houses. Oh, with all that stress.
But it's an interesting hole because you would think that by
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the houses it would be a nicer grass and nicer area, but no,
it's not. Yeah, there's like a big ditch
there. Between.
I I would refer to that as the Mariana Trench, yeah.
It is the trenches over there. I lovingly called it that
several times trying to whack myball out of there.
You're like, how was your morning this morning?
I was in the trenches. I was in the trenches, sliced it
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over there and then I tried to hit it out of the trenches only
to be back in the trenches. But the groundskeeper?
Don't worry, he was still watching.
He was there. He was very concerned about me
getting out of. Those trenches, he.
He needed to stay until he made sure I got out.
He was sitting there making surethat if there was anybody on the
porch out there, they were not going to get hit.
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He had 911 on speed that just. Waiting.
It's not the first time. It's.
Happened in that morning. He also had a supply of in there
for anybody that was in the trenches.
He didn't offer. He didn't offer it up, though it
was needed. Selling, selling something to
help with the nerves, everythingget done.
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Yeah, that one is a it's a fun par 5 because you've also got
some bunkers down there too. So as soon as soon as you get it
out of the trenches. I believe that that happened to
me, didn't it? Out of the trenches, right into
the bunker. It sounds like you were in World
War 2. That was a war zone.
I, I was, I was going through itand that was coming off of a
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par. So I really think that it was
the groundskeeper. I don't know his name, but I'm I
will find him. Sooner or later, we'll call him
Bogey. Bogey, Bill.
Yeah, Bogey bill. Triple bogey, Bill.
That's what I got. Triple bogey, Bill.
Yeah. So the whole prior which you
part it was that that hole is under construction.
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Yeah, it's been under construction for as many times
as I've ever played there. Yeah, I don't know if I've ever
played from the property boxes. No, I've never played from AT
box there because they don't even it's I don't know what
they're doing there either. I I'm I'm always so confused
because it's like there's like atypically make their Rd. in
between the whole. You may, you may have some sort
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of cart path that's going up through there.
No, that's a, that's a giant Rd.Yeah, yeah, you gotta have to
tee off on the other side of theroad.
It might help you hit the road. Nice little bounce.
Right under the green. Triple Vokey bills there to stop
traffic. Yeah, that would be, that would
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be hole 4. Yeah, yeah.
And it says that it's 130 yards,but I've never played it at 130
yards. I think when we played it, it
was running at about like 60 yards and I don't.
One of my strengths is not 60 yards.
An end no, Whereas I feel prettyconfident like chipping and and
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closer to the green now that is not you.
No some stress. I feel like maybe a scramble
wouldn't be bad now because I can get, you know, my pudding is
getting better, my chipping is getting better, but you can hit
it off the tea. But.
Well, I I actually liked hole #5even though the trenches were
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down there, because if you do hit a good tee shot, the fairway
does slope to the right and it kind of kicks your ball back
down the hill towards the hole, which I think it did for me.
Yeah, so it was. Great.
Not in the trenches. It was great like I was.
Yeah, or when you and I were playing out there, you also had
a Mike. Your dad had a a bad time on the
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whole as well. I remember correctly.
That's the only time I'll be left straight then.
He hit a second shot OB, and then he hit his third shot or
fourth shot, fifth shot, whatever shot it was.
There's a lot of shots. To the right path, the bunker,
yeah that that hole, if you had a good tee shot it, it can be a
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fun hole to play. I personally am not a huge fan
of it. I like hole 6, which is the hole
right after that. It's a par 4, pretty straight.
You do have water that comes into play on the left hand side
of the green. And then you also have houses,
which I have hit. Luckily it just hit the roof and
bounced off, but I've also hit ahouse on whole 5.
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As well well. They they for some reason are
very close to the the green and the trenches.
Yeah, that's probably the closest that I've had houses to
a fairway on a course. With no safety netting.
Either there's no safety nettingI I there.
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There definitely has been brokenwindows at that course, I would
have to say. 100%. I would say my least favorite
hole is probably number. It would either be #3 just
because I've never played it from from a tee box there, or it
would have to be #11 it's a very, it's a short par four, 355
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yards. But I've never had a good tee
shot there. I'm pretty sure that I've always
hit that OB right. There's a cornfield on the right
hand side and there's water on the left hand side, so.
You have to have an accurate drive.
You have to have an accurate. Drive that one, that one's 350.
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You hold #11 it's 357 yards and there's water that if you want
to carry it on the left hand side, you can.
It's about a 200 and 36240 yard carry over the water.
I actually think I carry. I, I actually think, actually,
no, I think I hit the fairway. Yeah, I think we both had good
we. We both.
Had good, I was just short of the green up there.
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So hole, hole #11 was, was is one of my favorites.
I I enjoyed that one as well as hole 13, which is the finishing
hole Part 3. And this is the one where you
actually told me my club selection.
Do you remember this? I do remember.
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That yeah, yeah. And what happened?
And I didn't. Trust the green.
I didn't trust you on the club selection.
I thought I was going to go longand this is a big spoiler alert.
It went long it. Went long.
Correct. So then I had to re T however on
my recovery shot. So I shipped it up through the
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branches and miraculously made it not that far.
From the flag, yeah, you were probably 4 feet.
Yeah, that, that actually is probably one of my best average
scoring holes of any course anywhere.
So I I normally average par on that hole.
It's great. Good for you.
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Thank you. We could have played that hole,
Annalise, if you and I had followed the the rules course
instruction instead of jumping back on across the road.
Yeah. So as far as the overall course
rating, how would we rate this course?
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And Annalise I, I don't know howmuch you listen to our podcast,
but our rating system goes. Yeah, we have to explain this.
It goes from a double bogey downto a hole in one.
So hole in one would be the bestwell.
If you account for the trenches,I would say it's pretty middle
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of the road, probably like a parsure, maybe a birdie.
So it's it's a beautiful course if you if you play it well.
Yeah, especially holes 6:00 and 7:00, which you have a waterfall
or a big pond there. And I think that there's a a not
a waterfall, but it shoots waterup into the.
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Air like a water fountain. A water fountain.
There you go. Yeah, those ones are.
Those ones are very. Pretty the technical term for a
water fountain is a water fountain.
So par Yeah, pretty middle of the road.
Pretty middle of the road. Yeah, yeah, I I'm going to
agree. I think for $36, I think for
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cards, yeah, it's pretty reasonably priced.
I think I'm going to, to me it it's probably between like a
bogey and a par. It would be a par or better I
think, once they're done with construction and it's a little
bit more playable. Yeah, I would agree it once at
some point if they finish hole 4because because the rest of the
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holes when I've played out therehave not been under construction
so. Yeah, if you can get on that
hole #4 and figure out what's going on with the road
situation. Bogey Bill.
Yeah, yeah. Can you let us know?
Drop. A bogey bill shoot us a note,
but they could be trying to get permitting from the city to be
able to actually have a tee box on the other side.
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Someone, some of that City Council is like, that's a bad.
Idea. Yeah, it, it definitely is a bad
idea. I would say for me, for how well
the course is maintained the rest of the holes, besides hole
#4 I would say that it is a, a par for me.
Yeah, it's it's a, it's an enjoyable course and it's nice
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to be able to go through goal and play it quickly.
I know that me and my buddy Chris, we go out there and play
early morning tee times and it's, it's nice to be able to
just go out there. You can get, you know, get a 640
tee time and be done before before 9.
So I'd say it's a part for me. Yeah, I, I also think there's
it's great for beginner golfers,it's great for families.
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When Annalise and I were out there, there was a like a
father, son, wife, daughter foursome that that we passed
coming back and then literally right behind them were these two
elderly ladies teeing off that look like they were very grumpy.
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They they definitely were. Very serious about about what
they were doing. Their mood was not going to get
any. Better on hole 5.
If triple bogey bills, they're watching them headed to the
trenches then. Maybe, maybe they would say
something to him. They probably would.
They probably chat with them thewhole time.
They'll come running with their clubs.
That's what they look like. They.
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Yeah, they. See Bogey.
Bill, we were bogey. Bill trying to knock them.
They are running with their we were headed back to the
clubhouse going the back route because we had taken the wrong
and so we had to come up all #1 and those, those ladies had just
teed off and we tried, you know,being friendly.
It's early morning. Tried to wave him down and say
hi as we were driving by and there was some scowls and I'm
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pretty sure they were looking atus like what are those
whippersnappers doing out in themiddle of the fairway going the
wrong way? Very suspicious that's probably
what they sounded like too All right so they, there is not any
major food options that we are aware of and I, I did what's
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interesting is if you look on Google reviews, it's actually
pretty highly rated on Google reviews 138 reviews, 4.3 stars
that's pretty decent. However, I, I want to put a plug
in for a local hamburger stand. So if you're in Jefferson, you
go get around it in the morning and you're hungry, you're
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looking for lunch Wheedles, which is right in the main
downtown spot. They've got like a little Hut
outside. And then if you go inside the
corner building, they also have an ice cream parlor.
And I've been there a couple Times Now with the kids and it
is phenomenal. And apparently you guys haven't
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gone to Wheedles. I've never been.
I. Never.
Actually, I think I have heard of it because I think that I had
a classmate work there. It's very possible.
It's never. Been there though.
It's like the classic walk up and order your burger outside at
a stand. You don't quite know what's in
the food, you don't ask questions, you give them the
money, you get your food and youleave.
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But quite delightful. I will, I will say quite
delightful. So that's the bogey breakdown on
Jefferson Golf Course. Yeah.
So as far as a difference in golf courses goes, let's talk a
little bit about Aaron Hills. So just to give some background,
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I had a chance to volunteer out there with my daughter and we
were out there for a number of days.
And the just of it, we were in fan services and it was, it's a
really cool thing to be able to have an event like the US Women
Open, come to Wisconsin and be less than an hour from our
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house. So we're pretty excited about
that. So as far as what we did and at
least tell us a little bit aboutwhat our volunteer
responsibilities were. Yeah.
So I, most of the time when people ask me what I was doing
over there, my, my answer would be that it is a lot of helping
old people learn how to use their phone, helping them
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download the online map, which is the only map, but mostly just
giving directions, you know, helping people when it was
needed. But yeah, a lot of helping
elderly people, which which is fine.
It's, it's nice to see so many older people there because it
just reminds you of just the fact that golf is such a
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lifetime sport. You see all these old people out
there watching and you just, andit really stays with you your
whole life. Like just people of all ages
just out there watching. They've probably played this
course before and many others. So it's nice to see them out
there and just enjoying a sport that anybody can play.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that it's crazy to think
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that you can go out and watch the best golfers in the world
play and then you can go book a tee time and play on the same
course. So we got a chance after during
one of the practice rounds just to go follow a couple foursomes
around and see how they were practicing, which they're
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practicing is very different than mine.
So watching on the 2nd hole, just a couple of the lady
golfers, I don't even, I'm not even sure which group it was or
just kind of watching them as they come through.
But just to see the amount of effort that goes into every
putt, every chip. And we were watching one of the
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golfers and after every single putt, she was literally she had
a notebook and was jotting down notes about how it broke, what
was going on. Left, right.
Yeah, I'm not even sure exactly.I, I wouldn't even know what to
write, to be honest. I if I was her, I'd just be
screaming with it kind of went to the left a little bit.
I'm not sure why. Maybe that's what she was doing.
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She was just nervous. Yeah, maybe so.
She was just scribbling. You get the, you get the
notebook back. There's nothing in it but just.
A couple sketches to prevent to help the nerves she's doodling.
In between. Shots.
It's actually her list of placesshe's like to go to lunch after
this. Yeah.
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That's what mine would be. Well, I I know that the there
was some comments that I had seen online afterwards about
whether or not they intentionally made those greens
unfair because they were brutal.So an example would be hole
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number six, which is a par three.
I sat and watched golfer after golfer after golfer hit a great
shot to the middle of the green.It just doesn't hold and it
slowly trickles off the back andcompletely runs all the way off
into the rough, which is just brutal.
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But yeah, you're right. As as volunteers, our
responsibility was when people came through the gate.
So if you're at the US Women's Open and you, you saw a very
handsome looking 40 year old guyand a lovely looking daughter of
his smiling and greeting, you would know that that was
awesome. Autographs later, but just
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trying to help direct them in the right place to go and and
make sure that they can find their way around.
I was surprised at the amount ofscooters that were out on the
scooters. Were wild.
I made many comments about how they should have had some safety
controls on the speed of these scooters because they had a
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whole fleet of scooters that youdidn't really need to show proof
of disability to use, surprisingly.
And then you just had old peoplejust.
Absolutely cruising on these scooters like.
They were going faster than the golf carts.
I I was scared that there was going to be a 911 call any day
with how fast these old people were driving on their scooters,
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like around the golf course. They did tell us that if there
was an emergency, don't try to find someone with a radio, just
call 911. Like, OK, one guy did fall off
his there's some sort of a scooter incident.
No, I I believe that was a golf cart.
That. We witnessed, I don't really
know what happened. All I know is that there was a
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huge loud thud and then a guy onthe ground so.
As far as the the crowds that were coming in, I don't know
what some of the past participation has been at at US
Women's Open. So it'd be interesting to see
what the overall turn out was, but definitely groups of people
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were following Nellie Quarter around.
Yeah, for sure. So almost inevitably, someone
would walk in, walk up to us andfanservice, and what was the
first question they asked? Oh, where's Nellie?
At Yeah. I was just saying, you see that
huge group of people up on the hill there.
That's exactly. Where she that's where she is.
Yeah, it says an estimated attendance between 40 and
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60,000. Sure, sure.
And what what does that compare to prior years?
I'll have to look up you guys. Well, I I will say that having
Nelly Corda, you had Charlie Hull and you had Lexi all in one
grouping on Friday. Was that Friday I think.
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Yeah, that was the first day that we were out there that that
grouping had a huge following. And what do you think about the
comments? We were there when Charlie Hole
sat down. It was on Yeah hole #9 Part 3.
I saw a bunch of pictures floating around and there was
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some controversy about her beingannoyed because of slow play.
Yeah, I thought that was a little crazy, to be honest.
Personally, I would be sitting down at every single.
Hole. Just because of how hilly of a
course it is as well, Not just long, but it's very hilly.
Yeah, it's it's a walk. It's a hike to get back to some
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of those holes back. There in the for sure.
Yeah, so IA couple years ago I volunteered for the USGA men's
mid AM and was a walking scorer and walked that course a couple
times and it is, it's a little over 8 miles at least from when
I walked before. And I don't know what the total
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elevation is, but there's a lot of elevation up and down.
And so they came off of hole #8 walked over to hole #9 and
Charlie Hole was well in front of both Lexi and Nelly Corda and
sat down. And then you've got the rumors
swirling about whether or not she was angry on slow play.
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I will say they were playing slow comparatively, but if I had
$2,000,000 on the line I also would probably be taking my
time. I don't know if they penalize
on. It they do.
So I actually looked that up before we started recording.
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I was just curious to see what the pace of play was on the LPGA
versus the PGA. And I didn't get a real good
answer about that. But it says that the LPGA is
actually stricter on their pace of play than the PGA is.
And they get penalized after like 5 seconds.
So they have 40 seconds to hit ashot and then they get penalized
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after that based on increments that go, you know, up to 20
seconds, you could be penalized 2 strokes.
So if you take 60 seconds to hita shot, you could be penalized 2
strokes. Really, I don't think that I
don't know how enforced it is because I feel like that there
was. And I also don't know if like
when do they consider that you're hitting a shot?
Is it standing over the ball right, you know?
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Like when you get up to the ballto hit, you have so much time
that you have as a leeway, yeah.Yeah.
And then I also looked up what the record attendance was.
So in 2015, the US Women's Open had 135,000 and then last year
they also had 135,000. That was their highest records
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for the USPGA or the USLGPPG. A Right, right.
I was a lot of letters there. A lot of lot of letters.
I was curious because Aaron Hill's being in Wisconsin, it's
also not necessarily a course that's super convenient to any
major metropolitan area. I mean, it's not too far from
Milwaukee, but to get out there and I don't know how they would
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handle some of the parking. The parking is wild.
And you've got to walk you through the same hilly elevation
at the golf course is not where you park.
But overall, I, I think the, youknow, the USGA did a, a great
job and setting it up. They, they had kind of a fan
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central area with different activities that you could do.
And at Aaron Hills they have something called the Drumlin
putting course. So it, it was kind of cool to be
able to go out and actually participate in in putt on the
drumlin putting course. And if you can make a hole in
one with your putt. They were giving away Apple
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Watches, in case anybody was wondering.
Yeah, it it was. I feel like they did a So my
daughter and I, she's 9. We went for one day on Friday
and we went and watched. We actually were part of the
group that was falling around Natalie for a while and it was
fun to see her like being so enthralled seeing, you know,
that the golfers and and being able to there's a few places
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where you walk across the fairway when you're following
the golfers and she was like, they were just down here, just
not like, you know, she was she was pretty excited about it, but
I felt like as just going there as a fan, it was very well set
up and you know, they had a lot of a lot of things for kids and
they also. Had a nice little spot for kids
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to go get autographs from the players as they warmed up on the
putting greens as well as when the players are coming off of
when we were there. Whole 9 was the finishing hole,
but that was a lot of fun to go there and she got a ton of
autographs from Nellie and and Lexie and all of them.
So it was, I felt like it was very well set up and it was fun
to go to. And just having that in
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Wisconsin was pretty awesome. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Any other final thoughts on the US Women's Open Annalise?
I'd just say that overall it wasreally well set up.
Aaron Hills is a beautiful course, as scary as it looks
though. But no, it was really well set
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up. It just it had a really great
atmosphere, very fan focused. Well, and because we were
volunteers, we earned a our green fees.
So our our goal is to golf therenext year.
Yeah, I have to lower my handicap quite.
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A bit to. Be prepared for that.
I bet triple bunker Bob would probably come out to help.
Yeah, no trenches there though, thankfully.
Everywhere's trench, that is true.
There are, there's. Trenches on the Greens.
Yeah, it's crazy something. Else and I wonder what the
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difference is and like the speedthat they're running at for just
their normal, you know, everydaycourse compared to what they
have them running for a championship course.
And you and I were actually talking this afternoon while we
were playing league about how Aaron Hills is a newer golf
course and how it hasn't been around it.
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It's pretty cool that they were able to host 2 majors here in
Wisconsin at at such a new course.
Yeah, yeah. And really make a reputation for
themselves and the golf world asbeing one of the best golf
courses globally. It'd be interesting to hear more
about the story of Aaron Hills and obviously, being in
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Wisconsin, we will have to do a course review.
We will be doing a sounds like next year about you breakdown.
I'll have to pay my green. Speed.
Yeah, you'll have to pay, so start saving now.
Caddies are not or Caddies are optional, but I would say
they're not really optional. You you need someone who knows
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what's going on, Yeah. And to carry your bag.
Also to carry your bag. That's a long course to walk.
Even just walking around, following the golfers and just
walking from one side of you know what the holes that are in
the back 1817 all the way back up to the front, that's that's a
long walk. I, I mean how many people do we
have walk in through the gates, come down by where we were
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standing and then you would tellthem where like hole 6 was or
like the Trophy Club and they just look at you like really I.
Talked that walk. There's oh.
No, that's where the scooters come in here.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just just say you have a
disability, grab one of the scooters, zoom around on that
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thing. It's gonna be like, you're not
walking, isn't. It's gonna be like, wow, this is
so easy. Yeah, I, I don't believe that
you have to do too much to get one, to be honest, because
there, there's a few times I sawpeople stand up off the scooters
and start walking around. I was a little suspicious that
they might not have needed it asmuch.
As they said, we didn't see too many dead batteries, which I was
(43:38):
kind of surprised. There was a couple that at
towards the end of the day whereto get to the scooter return,
you had to go up a hill and they're limping in and there's
some beeping going on. But they they made it, they got
back up that they got back up the hill.
So as far as our busy golf life is concerned, yeah.
(44:00):
Tell us a little bit about your schedule here over the next
couple weeks. Steven, where are we going next?
Yeah. So next week is going to be
Father's Day weekend, so we are taking your guys's camping
reservations up at Peninsula State Park up there.
So I'm going to go play the Peninsula State Golf course up
(44:20):
there, and you've already playedit, so we'll do.
Couple times. We'll do a review and then we'll
also do a kind of a scorecard breakdown, kind of see where we
fell versus our our score. And then yeah, the the weekends
are filling up so. Yeah, we for for having a
(44:43):
podcast where we need to start rating all the golf courses
we've not played that much of wehave not.
Played that much of golf? Yeah, it's it's definitely going
to be some schedule finagling toget to get all of the the
courses in and it's going to take us several years.
So hopefully everybody's along for this ride.
(45:05):
Well, it will. It'll be fun and also big.
Happy Father's Day to all your dad's out there.
This episode will be released onFriday.
Friday. Yep.
So just a couple days before thebig dad's day, you're camping
for Father's Day? Yep, I have no idea what I'm
doing for Father's Day. I know.
(45:25):
Oh, you do know? I do know I'm a.
Little surprised. OK, all right, All right.
Well, I, I will say that my wifetold me to, to cancel my golf
reservations because I would probably prefer her plans.
So I'm very excited. We'll see.
(45:46):
We'll, we'll see. Annalise, are you skeptical?
No, I oh you. OK, you're gonna have a good
time. OK all.
Right. Don't worry, I'm excited.
So we might give you an update or report on how our Father's
Day went. So all you dads out there, big
shout out for all that you do make sure that you golf doesn't
get in the way of being a dad. Yeah, make sure and, but also
make sure you get out there and,and get a chance.
(46:08):
And it's a, it's like we said, it's a great sport to be able to
go out and do things with your kids.
So I'm sure I'll probably be taking one or two of my kids
along with me on Father's Day. That that's true, I decide, no,
Not to extend this out too much,but I was actually just talking
with a beginner golfer dad and one of the things he told me was
(46:29):
I just, I'd love to go play moregolf, but I feel like, you know,
I, it's not something I can really do with the kids.
And I was like, hold on. I'm like, I've golfed many times
with my kids. I used you as an example where
if we put like, oh, you're one of your boys and he'd sit on the
cart between us whomever, and we'd have their little little
(46:50):
golf clubs and depending on the course, you can take your kids
right out. There, Jefferson.
Just. Talking about that there there's
a lot of a lot of people when wewere out there, there was a lot
of people out there with their kids and it's it's a great and
it's a great thing to get your kids into.
And the nice thing is like you get to play with your 17 year
(47:11):
old daughter and I get to play with my 9 year old daughter.
Something that you can do and then hopefully when when AJ is
in her 40s and you're. Even older.
Even older. Zooming around on a scooter?
Yeah. Zooming around on your scooter,
you guys are still able to play it together so it's.
Well, maybe, maybe I'll have a hole in one team by then, so.
(47:32):
I thought we were even. Yeah, tell us about your hole in
one experience. We've mentioned a couple times
on the podcast, just because that's the most exciting thing
that's happened. Well, I can say it was the best
day of my life and probably the only time in my life that it's
going to occur with, with how I've been golfing in the
trenches lately. No, it was, it was super
(47:56):
exciting. It was really nice that it was
during a golf meet actually. So then you know it didn't look
like cheating or fake. Other.
People were there. Yeah, there.
Was lots of witnesses. One of my best friends was
golfing with me in a, in a scramble at that meet, actually
(48:17):
against two other girls and it was a, it was a nice little par
three. It was about 83 yards.
We were out. I just took my 56° and teed it
up and it was a really nice looking shot.
I, I didn't expect it to go in, but I hit it a little bit short
because I, there was water behind the green.
I didn't want it to go in and I I thought it rolled in the
(48:39):
water, but when we went in thereit rolled into the.
Hole and. We screamed, chest bumped and
then probably scared off everyone within a 50.
Mile radius. So it was pretty exciting.
Well, I got a call from you. Oh yeah, At the same time.
Yeah, with. The chest bumps they.
Wouldn't call me. You were.
I could still hear some yelling in the background, so that was
(49:02):
pretty cool. Yeah.
Someday, someday I'll get my ownhole in one.
Maybe it Maybe. Maybe.
Well, a very big thank you to Jefferson Golf Course for being
hospitable and understanding that like their course, our
games too are under construction.
Where do you want to see us go next?
(49:23):
Let us know at the Bogey breakdown@gmail.com or by
slipping into our DMS on our socials.
Join us next week for the Bogey Breakdown at Peninsula State
Golf Course. And thank you to Annalise for
joining us as a guest host. Do a review and tell us a little
bit about the US moment. For having me.
Yeah. And listen to us wherever you
(49:43):
get your podcasts. Make sure you like subscribe and
spend more time listening. That's right.
All right, music credits will bein the show notes.
Until next time, thanks for listening to the bogey breakdown
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