May 16, 2025 • 57 mins
In this episode Stephen and Mike play and review Old Hickory Golf Club. They discuss Mike's love of estates. If hunting and golf can be combined. And how to make a proper brandy old fashioned.
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I'm Steven. And I'm Mike.
And this is the bogey breakdown.We're two brothers with the
ridiculous goal of trying to golf every golf course in the
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state of Wisconsin. And we just recently golfed Golf
course #3. Yeah, Old Hickory Golf Course in
Beaver Dam, WI. This was actually a course that
I have heard about, I've seen and have been wanting to to golf
for quite a while. We talked about in a couple
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episodes ago where I lived in the Columbus, WI, just north of
Columbus, WI. So Beaver Dam.
I was up there quite a bit, stopped by the Fleet Farm for
farm supplies and I would see Old Hickory Golf Club just
outside of town. I've seen signs for it.
I've seen people comment on Facebook and other areas so I
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was curious. It's also kind of an older golf
course. Yeah, on the website it says
1920. 1920 Old Hickory also shows that it has hosted the
Wisconsin State Amateur and alsoa USGA Amateur qualifying venue.
Yeah, it's got it. It's got that old Country Club
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style feel to it. When you play, you can
definitely tell that it's been there a long time.
I might be, I, I, I don't know if this is maybe just my own
opinion, but I feel like when you pull into an estate, I'm
going to say estate because of what I'm about to say next.
But it's it's it's anything whenyou pull ahead and you drive
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down a long drive, there could be trees lined, but you kind of
feel like it takes you a little bit to get down into the parking
area. When you pull into Old Hickory,
it does have a touch of class, simply because.
The driveway's long. The driveway's long, I told.
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I told my wife many years ago that at some point in my life I
would like to have an estate. With the long driveway, you're
like. We could have an.
Acre you drive me down. Let's just picture this all
right, OK, we're I have bikes like hey, Steven, I just bought
a new house. I got the SIM set up.
Come on over, gives me his address.
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OK. Yeah.
But what I wouldn't, I'd say would you like to, would you
like to come out to my estate? Yeah, you want to come out to
the estate. I I drive in and I don't realize
that it is like an estate, like the kind that you find on the
outside of town. A lot of little houses parked
along Nice. Like a like a a mobile home.
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A mobile home estate. Doesn't have a long driveway.
It, it will have a long driveway.
So, so I'm driving up to your driveway.
I come up to this very long treeline driveway.
I'm like, Oh yeah, this is nice.Why is it, you know, it's it's
gravel, it's not paved. Drive up.
I'm like Mike, I, I don't think I'm at the the right place like
it's in the state. Well, I, I, when you first pull
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in, it does kind of lend itself to that.
I would say kind of an older Country Club feel.
And it, it's, it's pretty, pretty neat.
There's a lot of trees. You can tell that the course has
been there for a long time, but walk us through you walk into
the clubhouse. What?
What was your initial? So, so my first thoughts when I
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was driving in there is I parkedin that lower parking lot and I
didn't realize it was another parking lot at closer.
So that part not. So if you guys listen to this
whole Hickory Mark say this is overflow parking, Yeah.
That's overflow parking. You can drive around to the side
and there is a driving range anda putting green right there too.
But you know why I parked there?Because you got there before me.
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And I parked there and you parked because I didn't know
that there was 2 parking lots. Well, so I walk, as soon as I
walk up the hill, I realize thatthere was 2 parking lots.
So a little bit about the, the course.
So Mike and I were able to sneakout for around on a Friday
morning. We were able to take a little
time off of work, get out. And we, he, he picked, of
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course, a rainy day, we picked the course and we get there on
the way there, I'd gotten an e-mail from the course saying,
hey, you know, cards aren't going to be allowed to go out.
That's going to be walking only.I called Mike and like, hey, do
you still want to go out 'cause I know that he has a few, a few
time crunches. He's like, well, we'll, we'll
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see what we can do. So we get to the course.
You know, the, the, the staff guy that was working there just
so he was a, a kid. He, he was pretty nice.
And so you walk inside the clubhouse.
It's very small. The clubhouse did not have much
going on. There's not a lot of of square
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footage devoted to the actual pro shop.
Yeah, when you say clubhouse, you're talking about the pro
shop. The pro shop, Yeah.
So the pro shop was very small. The actual clubhouse was pretty
big. Yes, that's what that were,
that's where I was going is the the pro shop is kind of tucked
away in the bottom section. But yeah, I would agree when I
when I first got there and I walked in, you have to walk
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through the clubhouse where theyhave the banquet facility and
some other things, go down the stairs.
Yeah, or you can just walk in from the backside too.
That's what I. If you if you walk around the
clubhouse, not all of us, some of us go in the front doors.
They're like, I'm here for my tea time.
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But I was, I was running a little bit.
I think you got there ahead of me, which is now the second
episode about running. Well, that's kind of kind of
what you can expect when you have a busy life.
That is true. That is true.
Yeah. So the the clubhouse is is
updated. So if you go to the actual
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clubhouse portion of of the building, the clubhouse is
updated. Well, there's a pretty big
banquet hall on there and then tucked off in the corner is a
bar. And then if you go through the
front door and you go downstairs, you got the the pro
shop right there. And then you can walk out and
you got a putting green right out the door.
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And a large deck area that kind of overlooks that whole section.
Yeah. So you can, I think you can see
three holes from that. You might.
You might be able to. 118 and 10.
Yeah, yeah. Which we've talked about this
before, but I feel like there's there's pros and cons to having
those, right? Now there's pros, so when you're
the one that's out on the deck with the beverage, watching
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everybody tee off, that's the pro, yeah, it's great.
When you're the one that's actually doing the teen off,
that's the kind. Have you seen this is a little
bit of a side note, but have youseen the golf courses where they
will put a hole in one like an ace Cam on a par 3 course and
people as sitting inside the clubhouse can actually watch the
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hole and yeah. I I've never seen that, no.
I've been probably at two courses where there is a live
Cam feed of a par three that's on the course.
That's kind of they're holding one course and and that's kind
of a fun thing, but when you're out on the course, you're not
thinking about. That yeah, I've, I've seen like
the memes on Facebook where it'slike, you know, that's what golf
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courses should do, especially onthe whole 18.
And then you can like take bets and oh, that guy, the guy in the
blue shirts for sure going to Shank it.
So a little bit about the courseitself.
So looking at it from from the tips, the longest we have is
about 6700 yards, 6727 yards. When we were out there.
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I think we played from the whites, which was 6400 yards.
And the slope rating on from thetips is a little over 72, a
little over par is what it plays. 128 is the slope rating
also. So I, I, which I would say is
true there, there are some holdsthat require some precision in
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order to be able to score well. And there's also a fair number
of trees on the course, some some mature, I'm assuming
Hickory. I would I would hope that
there's at least one hold Hickory on the course.
I'm not, I'm not a, I'm not an expert when it comes to.
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What what, what do you call? What do you call someone that
knows a lot about trees? Let me let me look up and.
See, that would be an arborist. An arborist is that is that?
Is that the official name? That's the official name is an
arborist. Do you, are you Arbor Day?
Yeah. It's not an arborist.
What do you like? It's a tree.
What? I'll just do a quick Google, you
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can continue. OK.
All right. Well, when you are are looking
at the course when you first getthere, I got there with not
enough time to be able to actually spend time on the
driving range. Yeah, I, I but.
It was a pretty slow day. Go on the driving range either
because of how wet everything was.
Well, I especially it was wet enough that when we got there
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they were not allowing carts. It was walking only, which I I
enjoy walking of course. I think it's a great way just to
be active. You are correct, it is an
arborist. That's why I saw I I actually
side note, I hired an arborist before for my estate.
For your estate. Only when my wife and I happened
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to be outside and I was looking at a couple of trees that were
very obviously dying. And we we called an arborist and
he came out and told me that it it the trees were dying because
of an invasive specie. And do you know what tree is
dying in Wisconsin because of ofhorrible?
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Yeah, the the ash trees. Ash.
Tree. Yeah, well, I did not know that
I had two ash trees. Yeah, it's the emerald ash bore,
because. The emerald ash bore was killing
him and so I that was my arborist days.
He was able to save one. We had to chop down the other
one, which now you know. Now, now we know, now you're
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getting a tree information, you got weather information.
So you there's a lot of good information on this podcast.
You never know what you're gonnado.
You never know what you're gonnaget.
But when we when we got there, it was, it was wet enough.
And again, still a little bit early in in the year as far as
what the golf course looks like thrown in.
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But my initial impression walking into the clubhouse was I
actually it, It was the, the overall clubhouse was larger
than I was expecting it to be. I'd not played out there before.
And there is some practice facilities that you have.
You can there's a chipping green, putting green that you
can warm up at. And when we first started out, I
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actually felt like that the opening tee shot was fairly
welcoming, with the exception ofthe fact that I think I pulled
my shot out of bounds. Yes, you did.
And you hit your straight down. And I hit mine straight down the
center of the fairway. Straight down the center of the
fairway, which was one of the few fairways that you found for
the day. Yeah, that my, my, I'm just
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going to say this. My driving this year has is at
an all time low. Yeah, mine's not.
I'm going to have to track down my old driver.
Old Bluey, Yeah. Old, old, old bluey.
I I did look up a couple things and one of the resources that's
online that I've, I've looked atin the past is Wisconsin Golf,
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Wisconsin dot Golf. They've got a lot of course
reviews that are on there already, but I went through and
read an article that was writtenby Gary d'amato back in 2019,
and this is before, which we'll talk about here in a little bit.
This was before the golf course was just recently purchased.
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But he talks a little bit about the fact that this is kind of a
similar landscape where you see the undulations, you see the
hills, you see some of the trees.
That makes other great courses like Aaron Hills Whistling
straight, some of these other courses in the state of
Wisconsin as interesting becausethere is a lot of variation in
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in just the hills. Obviously you have some old
trees that are there, but it it was kind of a pretty course to
walk. What I enjoy about like those
older golf courses is that you, you're playing these courses and
you feel like the course was made into the landscape instead
of making the landscape into thegolf course, if you know what I
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mean. You know, you, you're kind of
using all of those 'cause you, you've been to a lot of, you
know, we've been to a lot of courses that they just basically
mowed on all the trees and that.But I, I appreciate when the
golf courses are, are made around the landscape.
Yeah, so they talk about the fact that it opened back in 1920
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and it was originally designed by Scottish architect Tom
Bendelow. What he was doing in Wisconsin
designing golf courses, I don't know, but he originally laid out
nine holes, which would eventually become a 18 hole
facility. It would be kind of fun to to
learn more and maybe at some point we can get in contact with
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the the course or some of these folks to learn more about how
that course grew over the years.But obviously it is a compelling
enough course for them to host some decent events at.
And I did feel like it was pretty well laid out.
My initial thought on the greenstoo, I felt like the greens,
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even though you could tell that they still needed to grow and
feel they need to be rolled modea little bit.
There was some undulation in thegreens.
There were a number of greens that were sloping back to front,
which means you can spin a golf ball if you go past the the the
flag. So overall, my initial feeling
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was it was it was more enjoyablethan I thought.
And this is only because it's inBeaver Dam, WI, which is not
necessarily a destination location.
No, I so when I was looking at courses to book, we wanted
something that was decently close, but something we hadn't
played before. So I was coming.
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And yeah, the same thing that you said with it being Beaver
Dam, I didn't have super high expectations, but it, it
definitely met and exceeded my expectations.
When you, when you, when you getout to the course, the first
tee, you know, you're, you're atan elevated tee box and then the
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green. So, so you're hitting over a
valley. The green on the other side is
actually a little bit higher than the T box on the other.
So you're, so you're hitting from one across the valley
basically. And for how wet the course was
as well, because when, when we played it, it literally had just
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stopped raining and we had had apretty soaking rain for the last
two days and the the greens werestill rolling nicely.
You know, you can tell that thatthe golf course is is maintained
fairly well because especially as we started playing along and
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the sun came out, the green started rolling a much faster
and. It drained, it drained fairly
well. Now there there was some areas
of the course that they were working on.
One of the one of the holes was still under construction, had a
temporary green when we were there so.
Which which they did not mentionwhen we checked in, but that
would be hole 6. Yes.
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However, I'm not in the habit when I check in of asking are
you doing any construction? Do you have any temporary
greens? I, I have golfed at a few
courses where there is obviouslythey're doing work on a green or
on a tee box and, and they'll move you just because of that,
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which is understandable. I I do think if a course has
recently punched their greens. They should definitely, you
know, and they should give you adiscount.
There should be a discounted rate because I would still be OK
playing. But if you go to if you go to a
golf course and you are expecting to be able to play and
maybe even attempt to score, well, you get there and realize
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that the greens have been punched.
It's really just just, I would rather that they just made a
comment when you go to register or you go to get your tea time
and something pops up so that you at least know.
Yeah, I'm so probably gonna havebeen punched.
Yeah, Yeah. And and there's been a few times
I've called in to make reservations and the guy's like,
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hey, just so you know, we just punched the greens.
Like we are giving a discount. It's like, OK, you know, usually
if I find out before, I'm probably not going to play that
course, but. It depends because I I might
still enjoy playing with punch green and then I can use the
punch greens as an excuse for mypoor potting.
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Well I can think you know, I would have probably 2 pot or
better every hole. Every single hole.
I would have been a one pot 5050feet away, 1 pot, but the greens
were pot. It was all the Greens.
Fault. So it makes it more difficult to
yeah to score. And and that it was not, it was
fun picking the the worms, yeah.Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You have to move the worms out of the way and go to Putt.
Yeah, yeah. I I think even though, you know,
obviously it had just rained walking, it was pretty decent.
No, it was. It's a walkable course for sure.
And there was, there was a lot of people out there, especially
for walking only. That's because they didn't tell
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you that it was walking only. Till you get there.
No, no, they they sent me an e-mail on the way.
Yeah. OK.
But but I was surprised at how many people were out there
walking. Yeah.
For like, it's like I said, it literally stopped raining on the
way to the golf course. I I also, you know, thinking
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about the course in general, I like a course that has some
short par fours. We've talked about that before,
but but also too that make you think off the tee box.
And there were a few of them where you couldn't just pull
driver out and and hammer it because you've got some sort of
a dog legger, you're trying to navigate something and there is
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some water features that come into play.
Yeah, yeah. And and to be fair, I I probably
shouldn't have pole driver afterthe 1st hole.
You just put the driver away indefinitely.
So I my initial feeling of the course, I felt like it was
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comfortable. I think it's certainly something
that you are a course that you could go to and just have an
enjoyable time without. Sacrificing some of the features
or you know, like I said, it had, it had decently rolling
greens. But I could definitely see it
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being of course, that has a lot of scramble events because of
the facilities that they have where they can host dinners.
And I don't know about this. I mean, if you're, if you're
local in the area and you find that, but there's, there's a
course which will review down the road called The Oaks in
Madison. And I know they have or in
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Cottage Grove area and they havea ton of events, Scrabble events
throughout the year to the pointwhere sometimes you go to try to
get a tea time there. Especially on the weekend.
And it's it's difficult to do sobecause they've got some sort of
an event going on. Yeah, I I would say the overall
feel and the look of the course was, was nice.
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They there was a lot of, there was a lot of challenging holes
and there was a lot of just different.
I feel like every time I went tothe tee box, you didn't know
what to expect. So, especially since we'd never
played there before, well. Just the way that the course was
laid out. So on hole 10 you are playing a
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dog leg left so. Right.
When you when you come in, you know your tee shot is right up
alongside of hole 18. But when you're hitting maybe,
maybe I I might be, yeah, a whole 9, yeah.
A whole 9 is what you're coming down.
So you, so you. 9 challenging too, because you that's a dog
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like right? And that one, I felt like I hit
a decent drive off the tee. But if you don't bend it enough,
your trees come in to play in that corner.
I think you found yourself down in hole 10I.
Did find myself. Done when we were teeing off at
hole 9. I did.
So you got to experience hole tank quite a bit.
Yes. But the nice thing about or the
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cool thing about hole 10 was, isthat when you so, so, so first
there's a lot of hills in this course.
And so you, so you're playing hole 10 and you're kind of going
up and then you get to around the dog leg and, and I had found
my I, I just trickled off the, the right hand side of the
fairway and hole 10 there and I hit what I thought was a really
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good shot from about 180 yards out.
And I come up and you come over the hill just a little bit and
he's like saying that flag is not level.
So so it comes. Elevated.
It comes out and then it's elevated very, very high up and
then 14 you have to go up a set of stairs from 10 to the tee box
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on or not 14 on 11 you get the climb up a set of tee box to to
hit your next tee shot as well. So you're, you're pretty high
elevated and then you're shooting into an elevated green
as well there. That one too on hole 10 I was
happy with because my drive kindof it went into the woods a
little bit on the left and then kicked out back into the fairway
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on at the corner. I think I got up and down for a
par there, and then on hole 11 Ihad a phenomenal Dr. You I.
Hole. 11 There's a hill that's kind of on the right hand side,
not very far either. It's not that far, but you were
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over on the hill, which was kindof fun.
I was over on the hill, which isthe 9th tee box or.
Right. You're right.
You're right. Yeah, that's the same hill as
the ninth tee box. It is the same hill and I did
not get a very good square in that hole.
That one was a little tough. Well, so and that one I think is
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a little bit longer, 409 yards. So it's not crazy long, but it's
definitely 1. You want to get a decent shot,
which you you hammered a drive on that one.
Yep, I think I messed up my nextshot.
You did and then I think you messed up your shot, your third
shot as well there. But we're not, we're not keeping
that well. So a hole #13 if we're going to,
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if we're going to talk a little bit about some of these, so a
hole #13 is actually a fairly short par four.
And again, another elevated green.
If you hit a decent tee shot youcan get up pretty close.
And one thing I'm going to interject here, if you're not in
golfing, like if you haven't been conditioning for golfing 18
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holes, which Mike and I have, the golf season just started
here in Wisconsin and then you go and walk 18 holes, there's a
lot of elevation at this course anyways.
Yeah, you're gonna get your step.
You're. Gonna get your step.
You're gonna get your steps in. Yeah, I know.
And there's enough climbing thatthat you can certainly start to
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feel a little winded. Yeah, By the end of the day, we
were also cruising. Yeah.
Because. I was so we we didn't cruise
fast enough on the front 9 right.
So the back nine, we're like booking, we were.
Booking it until we ran into a group in front of us, yeah,
which we ran into that group on hole 13.
So hole 13 is a a fairly short hole.
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It's 322 from where we played, 336 yards from the tips.
But if you don't, that's an elevated green.
And that one I hit into the trees on the right, and then it
kind of blocks you out from yourability to get up and down.
So yeah, that one. So that that whole 13 there when
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you get when so you can tell it's Wisconsin golf course.
So when you get up to the green,if you just look a little bit
past and after the left you willsee a deer blind.
Oh, that's right. Literally like 70 yards.
Probably not even that off of the green.
Right. So.
Could you, I mean could you chiponto the 13th green from your
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deer blind? And the answer is yes.
You could and we've all been there.
You're sitting on the deer blindand you get a little bored.
I mean, I I sure I had never once in my life thought about,
hey, can we integrate hunting and golfing?
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Have you, have you seen where they will like instead of some
sort of sporting clays event or yeah, shooting clays, you're
shooting golf balls. Yeah, I think this could be a
thing. I think that they're probably
using a rifle and I I personallydon't want anybody shooting at
me when I'm golfing. What if you were the one doing
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the shooting? Then it would be much different.
OK. All right.
But no, that that I yeah, that one.
And one cool thing about this golf course that I've never had
before. So there's a lot of blind tee
shots. Yeah, yeah.
And they have bells. I that was exactly something I
was going to bring up. Continue.
Well, I think it is. I take some pleasure in being
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able to ring the bell. As as do I.
Yeah. So at work, if you make a sale,
there's we have a bell that's hanging on the wall and we don't
use it as often as we should, but it's to celebrate right
here. There's three, 3, three holes,
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three holes where as you're walking off because you're
approach shot is a blind shot. You get to ring the bell and it
is almost a symbol of like I'm passing the baton to the.
Folks behind me, especially on hole 9, so that one I felt like
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was a very long hole. So it's 400 yards.
And you've got a sharp dog leg to the right and it's an
elevated tee box. Yeah.
So it's an elevated tee box, butagain, you're shooting across
the valley so that the IT kind of goes down and then up again
and then you're shooting down into the valley.
Your approach hot is going down right to the green.
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And that one I felt which I didn't hit a good drive, but I
felt like was you did not either.
Mine. Mine went on whole 9.
Mine went left. It was OK, but I was kind of
blocked out by the some of the trees on the left, yeah.
But but the bell feature is is pretty.
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Awesome. It is fun just because you get
to ring the bell and make noise.But it's also, like I said, it's
a symbol of hey, I've successfully moved beyond your
reach. I am now bequeathing, of course,
to you. You're like whether or not I
actually finished the hole or I just walked off the grid is
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yours. Yeah, nobody knows.
Yeah. And nobody has to know.
The question is, if you got up to the tea box and you were
unaware of whether or not the group in front of you, maybe you
don't even know if there is a group in front of you, how long
would you wait listening for thebell before you just hit anyway?
I mean, I'm probably just going to hit.
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Yeah, there's no, well, we didn't take golf carts, so I
don't know if there's any GPS inthe golf.
CART and to be fair, my driver probably going to go to the.
Woods It's the safest place if you're.
In the middle of the fairway, Right, Right.
Yeah, it, it, it, it's a cool feature.
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And the bells are old style bells too.
I I I would love to know how long they've been there.
Yeah, it's it's kind of like theLiberty Bell where they
inscribed 1776 on the bell itself.
Like, well, this golf course hasbeen around since 1920, but
we're putting 1776 on. Half of the bells have a crack
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running up through the bell. No, no, but it is a, it is a
historic place with the age of the course.
So when it, when it comes to some of the holes that are out
there, we, we want to name our our favorite hole and our least
favorite hole on the course. There's I, I actually had a hard
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time with this because I'm, I was going back through replaying
it in my head and I have a number of holes that I enjoyed
and some of the holes that are out there I felt like I could
have played, I could have playedbetter had I played better,
enjoyed that. So for example, hole number six,
was it hole number? Well, how about you do this?
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OK. All right.
Do your top three favorite holesthat you played just bang him up
like that. OK, top top three favorite I'm
going to say is a hole #10 I enjoyed hole #10 because I got
to. Do because you got A and you got
a good kick, all right. Hole #2 Yep.
Hole #2 I enjoyed Sharp par four, had a great drive there
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and then also hole #16 all. Right hole #16 All right, so for
me, my, my favorites were not hole #16I hated that.
But hole #16 made you think which hole number?
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16 was was terrible for me. Right, but that's.
I, I I. It's a par 5 and you have to
take an iron off the tee otherwise you're going to reach
the bunkers that are out in the distance.
I was not a fan, so for me my favorites were the par three
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with water in between, which let's look.
Was that yes, Yeah, yeah. Hole number I want to say it was
hole #12. Yeah, hole #12 #12.
So, so hole #12 is it's it a, a beautiful tee shot.
No, it was hole #7. Hole #7 Was it on the front 9?
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So I was the only one that foundthe green though, which is
probably why it's not on not on Mike's.
Whole #7 I I hit mine and it came down that false front,
yeah. And, and rolled back towards the
wall. Yeah.
Which it's a short. It's a short.
You hate to see it, but I I did not hate to see it.
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So I would say a whole. You hit a good, you hit a good
tee shot there. If I remember it's like 150
yards in the middle of the. Green yeah.
Hole 11. I, I, I did like, I, I did like
hole 11 even though it was not great.
And then I would say my my thirdfavorite would have to be
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probably I like hole 10 as well.So hole 10 and 11 are are fun
holes. Playback to.
Back Yeah 10. 10 But actually, you know what?
8 I would say 8 was a ton of fun.
So 88 is a a dog. So it's, it's not a really a dog
leg, right, But it does go right.
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And then you have a pond which which Mike and I both found
ourselves. Then I happened to make a great
up and down and and make a good,good hole on that.
You don't know the water's therefrom the tee box.
You can't see the water. Really.
See. It yeah, it's one of those holes
you probably don't want to play driver off the tee, but it's
it's a shorter par 4. But that that one was a ton of
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fun. That one, too, we were standing
up on the tee box and I looked down there and I wasn't sure if
I was seeing like a little muskrat running across.
Towards the water, yeah. And then as we got up, it was an
enormous. Squirrel.
Yeah, they they have some huge squirrels.
There it was. Huge.
Yeah, that. Speaking of hunting blinds.
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They should have squirrel hunting.
When you go out there, you should be able to get like a
permit. It's like, it's like all, it's
like golf and hunt or or golf and squirrel shoot.
Yeah, GG and squirrel hunting atthe same.
Time your small. Game License.
I don't know if we want people. Out there though, I, I don't
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think I want anybody. I don't, I don't want anybody
out there shooting anything close to where I'm going to be,
which is going to be in the. Trees.
What if What if you had a modified golf ball that worked
as some sort of a like a explosive difference?
If if I were to no, it's going to go right.
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It's probably not a good idea. Never mind, we should not be.
Scratch that idea MM, I'm resending you from being in
charge of any golf related things.
You don't want me to be in charge of golf course design.
No, no, definitely, definitely not going to be in charge of any
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golf course then. So I, I would say actually I, I
would say 8 is probably my favorite and then followed by 7.
So 7 and 8 back-to-back great holes.
So 7 and 8 back-to-back. You said you liked 10 and 11
back-to-back. When we were out there, there
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were a couple holes that had quite a bit of just pods that
have been dropping from some of the trees.
It was just that time of year with some of the seeds.
But it outside of that, I felt like the greens were all running
well. I felt like they were well
maintained. How did you feel about some of
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the, I guess just amenities on the course?
You think about a ball washers, you think about how the the
course itself was maintained. It was, I would say I don't
think they had a ball washer outthere.
I don't know if I saw any. Either they did not.
Yeah, there might. Have been a couple well it I
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feel like we need to be better at taking.
No, there, there definitely was not a ball washer out there at
the time, which, you know, it's April in Wisconsin, right?
Could still freeze. They did not have those.
Another thing I would say is thethe holes that were under
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construction, it's hard to know they they didn't mark them and
they didn't mark the way around them very well at all.
It was a little confusing I think, especially.
Well, because you hit so after we so So what was that par 5
where they cut off that par 5? And it was basically like, let's
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see. So you had.
It was hole sick that was under construction so so after hole 6
me and Mike are trying to find hole 7 which is a Part 3 and we
get up to this tea box and Mike's like man that looks a lot
closer. Then it says 179 from the Blues
so he has 179 shot and and goes way past.
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Way past, really. At least I.
I told you that there's no way, but they they did not mark out
the way around the construction very well which they were
working on it later on in the afternoon.
I will say that hole 6 is a par 5.
That's the hole that was under construction.
The green was under construction.
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They had a temporary green. Yep.
We did not know that when we teed off.
So, so Mike is going to be biased to this.
Because I made an. Eagle.
That's not an eagle. It's a fake score.
That's an eagle. I I hit a drive and I got it in
the hole in three. They didn't even have a hole
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there. There was no hole.
There was a flag stick in the middle of the fairway with with
a circle around it painted. I made an eagle on that hole and
I'm standing by. I also think we were walking.
We did not have golf carts. So it was probably even more
confusing because we weren't following that.
We were just cutting across. But yeah, that I will say,
having that marked out during and it's construction, yeah, but
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it is a bit confusing. But when you're walking and all
of a sudden you realize you justwalked, you know, an eighth of a
mile the wrong way. Now you have to walk all the way
back. Yeah, yeah, it it, it definitely
could have been marked. I feel like you should mark it
out. It's not that hard to put a sign
up being like, hey, that's. True.
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That's true, and also you could put up temporary scorecards that
have that as a par 3. No, no, that was a par 5 and I
eagled the hole. Let's move on.
Quickly. All right.
Least favorite holes? What do you have?
OK. Least favorite holes.
So there is on hole #14 your teeshot.
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You can't pull out your driver there because it's fairly
narrow. Yeah, and if you go too far,
there's a penalty area out in front of you.
There's water that's out there. So it's a it's a sharp dog leg
to the left. If you can really draw it around
the corner, you could probably hit like like maybe a three
wood, but you're bringing water into play.
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That one that we caught up to the group in front of us at hole
13, we had to wait. Hole 14 I think both of us felt
like. We were surprised that that
foursome didn't let us through as as just two guys and so we're
like, well, we're going to go and catch up on.
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So and. And my tee shot was awful and I
tried to play a conservative play.
I think I. Pulled so so I didn't hit into
anybody, you know? No, no, no, no, no.
We're we're not those types of people.
But yeah, I pulled out A5 iron and did not hit well.
And then you're blocked out by the trees on your left.
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If you don't get it far enough, you're blocked out.
You hit it too far, you're in the water.
So that was a very challenging hole.
I also feel like it, it just wasprobably my least favorite.
Well, it did not bring me much joy.
And as so that course, I felt like, well, it doesn't have like
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your traditional force carries where you're trying to carry it
over thing. You still have a forced carry in
the fact that if you don't, if you don't carry it a decent like
to a yardage, you're not going to have a second shot in.
So hole 14, if you didn't carry it past those trees on your left
hand side, you're you're not going to have another shot in.
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You're going to have to. But if you carry it too long,
you're going to be in the water.And and that whole, I'm assuming
just because of of the fact there's so many trees there, I
felt like was probably the leastwell kept from the tee box down
to that corner. And then when you go around the
corner, you've got water up the right.
But once you get there, it's fairly open and somewhat
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uninteresting. Yeah, for me, I would say I I
wasn't a huge fan of 13. It's just pretty much straight.
You're going into the, the greenis elevated, but and you have
the hunting blind in the back. So it might get interesting if
you're out there and you're hunting, you see somebody, or if
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you're out there golfing and yousee somebody hunting and they
shoot a deer. Then it could be interesting.
It could be interesting. What's?
What's the etiquette though, if you if you are out there golfing
and you get up to that green andyou see somebody that's in the
hunting blind, is it appropriateetiquette?
Do you just make eye contact with them?
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I I. Think you need to.
Go off if they see anything. You've got to ask what they see.
Anything. OK, I think that's proper golf
course deer hunting. So it's it's a short par 4 on
the scorecard. It's 322 yards from the whites.
But for me, it was, there's a lot of trees all along both
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sides. So the fairway's fairly narrow.
But it, it wasn't, there wasn't a lot going on that that I
liked. And then also 616.
Not a fan. I I liked 16 just because of
that being. Well, I did not like how where I
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wound up on 16 the score I made on 16.
Not a fan. I did not care for 18 as a
finishing hole. Yeah.
That one is That one's tough because it is a long par 5.
Depending on where you're playing from, could be over five
570 yards and the landing zone really narrows up.
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It does. And now that I'm thinking about
it, the holes that we dislike are the holes that are more
narrow and require some skill. Another one that I didn't like
was hole 4, which was the par 5 and I actually hit a fairly good
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drive on that hole. It snuck off to the right and I
could, I could not find my ball anywhere down there.
But that one, it's like you're going, you're going up a hill
and then you're going flat and then the green is a little bit
down. MM was on the phone half the
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time on that hole so he probably.
Doesn't I do. I was on the phone.
I don't even remember what I wasdoing on that one.
Yeah, but I. I you made a good tour on that
hole. Probably because I was on the
hole, I wasn't thinking about itas much.
Yeah, I did enjoy hole 15. That one was kind of a fun one,
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especially since it's it's shortenough you can have a a decent
tee shot and then your your approach is pretty fun, but
there's still there's a bunker on the left when you get up
there that that put some challenge in it.
But overall, I think that there was a variety of some some short
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par threes that required some accuracy off the tee.
I think that there were a coupleholes where you could really
just open it up and let it loose.
But I think that the trees and and the layout of the course
does demand a certain level of accuracy.
But it was pretty fun. When I think about this course
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and who you could bring to the course, what, what type of an
environment it would create, I could totally see having this
courses like a fun place to bring, you know, group of guys.
If you, if you were just out trying to find something to do
for a Sunday afternoon, I also could see it being enjoyable to
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bring, let's say your spouse forlike 9 holes and then getting
something to eat afterwards. I don't know that you, you
necessarily have to go out and do 18.
Do I think that it is a destination course?
Not necessarily, but I did really enjoy playing the course,
the layout more than I was expecting I guess.
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Yeah. So for the for the cost of the
course. So right now they're they're
doing their spring rates so you can play a weekend for 18 holes,
57 with a cart after twilight, which is after 5:00 PM, which is
pretty late. You you're not going to get
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eighteen holes and after you start after 5:00 PM unless you
have a basically a clear T sheetin front of you and you're
playing by yourself, but that's 35.
After that it goes up to 69 withwith a cart.
So how are you feeling for that price point for the course?
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I, I feel like it's reasonable. Yeah, yeah, I think that's a
reasonable price. I, I think it is definitely
nicer than than a number of courses that I've been at.
I think having the clubhouse perched up on the hill, you can
see down into the the the golf course, you can watch people as
they're coming up 18 leaving on 10 hole #1.
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And nine now that I think about.It and nine it it is overall, I
think that it's well done. I think the inside of that
clubhouse as you're walking through there, not necessarily
the pro shop of the clubhouse ingeneral is, is it, it feels like
a good experience. So for that price point it it it
seems like a pretty decent deal.All right, So for a course
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rating, what are you going to give this course here?
So our course rating, we usuallygive it a a range anywhere from
a double bogey all the way to a hole in one.
For this course. I'm also I'm going to say this
is a par for me. A par for you.
SO for me, I think it would depend on how much I'm paying to
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play it. So for the weekday rate, which
which is if you play it during the week, it's $47.
And for me, $47 at that course is a birdie.
OK? Yeah, I don't think you're going
to play a lot nicer courses for that on the weekend.
You're paying 70 bucks. It's par.
You know, I feel like you can play a lot of comparable courses
for that. And I would be curious to know
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how it played when it was all done.
I feel like with the construction and you know, kind
of when we played it, we might not have gotten the full
experience, but I, I would be curious to know what it played
like. So if if anybody listening has
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has played it and you have some experiences that you want to
want to share with us so we can get a little better
understanding of the course, feel free to reach out and let
us know. But for me, I would say for $47
it's a birdie, For $70, it's a par.
It's a par yeah, I would sure, which I I think that's fair.
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And especially for a course that, you know, 1920, I mean it
that that's a long time to be around over 105 years of, of a
golf course. And I, I don't know when it
changed from a nine hole course only to a, an 18 hole course,
but there's, there's some history there.
I think, you know, I could totally see it being a, a pretty
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solid part of the community. Yeah, and definitely a place
that it seems like it has a goodvibe and a good feel to it.
Yeah. And and for those of you who
don't know where Beaver Dam is, so if you're on 151 and you're
going to some place that that isrelevant, Beaver Dam is you're.
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Going to Fond du Lac. It's going to be about about 20
minutes South of Fond du Lac. Something that we almost
neglected to mention. So when we first checked in,
because we were up against some time constraints, you actually
had asked about cart. Oh yeah.
And they said, no, no, we're notreleasing carts because the
water on the course part way through our round.
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I think we've just gotten. We had.
Just finished Whole 14. There was a young man from the
pro shop who came up to us in a cart and was like, hey, we're
just about to release some carts, if you guys want one we
can get. It and we can bring it out to
you. Yeah.
We'll even bring out the cart toyou.
Now by that point we had already, you know, it was
already far. Enough.
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And we were like, by the time weget the cart, it's probably not
gonna be worth it. Right.
But I, I was, I was genuinely. Impressed.
Well, and then I said hey, I think I left a wedge.
No, I left my my cover for a wood at on one of the on one of
the the fairways. I couldn't find it and about
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about 15 minutes later he comes driving up.
He went out and looked for it, found the cover and brought it
out to me. So that's fantastic service,
yeah. I mean, that's great customer.
Service that's great customer service and then after the
round. Yeah, I, I had to.
I had to book out of there pretty quickly.
Yeah. So we finished up. 1818 was a
terrible hole for me. So I ran quick, ran quickly to
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exit the course back to my vehicle, and cried a little bit
at home. Which you couldn't tell because
we it had been raining a little sweaty.
It's just the rain. So, but I I did stop into the
clubhouse and got a Brandy old fashioned and that was it was
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OK. It was nothing special.
If if I was going there just forthe Brandy old fashioned, I
would not recommend. Did they?
Did they actually muddle or was it from a mix?
I'm. Pretty sure it was from a mix.
OK, All right. Well, if it if they did muddle
and it was not from a mix and somebody overhears this, they
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might be deeply. Offended.
They might be deeply offended. Like you can't mess with that
stuff. And it should be muddled
anyways. Whoever decided to make a Brandy
old fashioned mix to save a few minutes, it's not worth it.
Just muddle. Just just muddle.
Just muddle. I I do you, did you wind up
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getting any food? I did not get any food so I was
also I needed to head home as well.
So I just stopped in for the brand deal fashioned and like I
said it was, it was OK. And the service.
The service was good, I was the only one at the bar so it was.
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The service was decent. The service was good but.
I and I think that facility there, I'm sure they probably
promote this on their website, but I bet you could probably fit
a couple 100 people in there if you're having an event.
Their their banquet hall was quite large.
Which is why I think you, I could see that being a course
that does host some outings because I think it's a fun
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enough course. If you have a scramble event
going on or a fundraising event that you could spread out, you
you would have enough room for folks and and it's challenging
enough that you could have some fun.
Yeah, it it was, it was a fun time.
It was. It was good to get out there and
walk it. Yeah.
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You said it was a par. I said depending on what you're
paying for it, it could be a paror a birdie.
All right, so do we want to do we want to talk about our our
golf game as well as far as who won that match?
Yeah, that's the thing that. We've talked about, but we we
are keeping track and unfortunately my track record.
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Hasn't been great. So, so right now, so right now
the track. So I won that match with my
handicap because we are playing these matches based on our
handicap. So far between the three I am up
30. But to be fair though, I you
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have not, you haven't played well.
I have not played well. I've not played well.
I haven't. Played well, but.
Whenever I'm by myself. Yeah, we can all make, we can
all make great, of course, when we play by yourself.
But but yeah, so far, so far I'mup 30 between the last three.
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That's that's painful. We'll, we'll bring you some
reports as we go along here. But yes, net net score Steven is
up 3. All right.
We gotta come back from this. So for our next course, we are
going to be playing the Oaks in Cottage Grove.
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And we are also, so Mike and I are part of a league that we
have joined this year. It's on Monday nights and we are
going to be bringing update fromour league when we review this
course, kind of let you know. And, and I thought it'd be fun
to kind of just kind of bring you up to up to speed on what
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our, our, our league is doing and how we're doing in it.
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will see you next week. Sounds good.
I'm Steven. And I'm Mike.
And this is the bogey breakdown.We're two brothers with the
ridiculous goal of trying to golf every golf course in the
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state of Wisconsin. And we just recently golfed Golf
course #3. Yeah, Old Hickory Golf Course in
Beaver Dam, WI. This was actually a course that
I have heard about, I've seen and have been wanting to to golf
for quite a while. We talked about in a couple
(00:52):
episodes ago where I lived in the Columbus, WI, just north of
Columbus, WI. So Beaver Dam.
I was up there quite a bit, stopped by the Fleet Farm for
farm supplies and I would see Old Hickory Golf Club just
outside of town. I've seen signs for it.
I've seen people comment on Facebook and other areas so I
(01:15):
was curious. It's also kind of an older golf
course. Yeah, on the website it says
1920. 1920 Old Hickory also shows that it has hosted the
Wisconsin State Amateur and alsoa USGA Amateur qualifying venue.
Yeah, it's got it. It's got that old Country Club
(01:40):
style feel to it. When you play, you can
definitely tell that it's been there a long time.
I might be, I, I, I don't know if this is maybe just my own
opinion, but I feel like when you pull into an estate, I'm
going to say estate because of what I'm about to say next.
But it's it's it's anything whenyou pull ahead and you drive
(02:05):
down a long drive, there could be trees lined, but you kind of
feel like it takes you a little bit to get down into the parking
area. When you pull into Old Hickory,
it does have a touch of class, simply because.
The driveway's long. The driveway's long, I told.
(02:25):
I told my wife many years ago that at some point in my life I
would like to have an estate. With the long driveway, you're
like. We could have an.
Acre you drive me down. Let's just picture this all
right, OK, we're I have bikes like hey, Steven, I just bought
a new house. I got the SIM set up.
Come on over, gives me his address.
(02:47):
OK. Yeah.
But what I wouldn't, I'd say would you like to, would you
like to come out to my estate? Yeah, you want to come out to
the estate. I I drive in and I don't realize
that it is like an estate, like the kind that you find on the
outside of town. A lot of little houses parked
along Nice. Like a like a a mobile home.
(03:11):
A mobile home estate. Doesn't have a long driveway.
It, it will have a long driveway.
So, so I'm driving up to your driveway.
I come up to this very long treeline driveway.
I'm like, Oh yeah, this is nice.Why is it, you know, it's it's
gravel, it's not paved. Drive up.
I'm like Mike, I, I don't think I'm at the the right place like
it's in the state. Well, I, I, when you first pull
(03:34):
in, it does kind of lend itself to that.
I would say kind of an older Country Club feel.
And it, it's, it's pretty, pretty neat.
There's a lot of trees. You can tell that the course has
been there for a long time, but walk us through you walk into
the clubhouse. What?
What was your initial? So, so my first thoughts when I
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was driving in there is I parkedin that lower parking lot and I
didn't realize it was another parking lot at closer.
So that part not. So if you guys listen to this
whole Hickory Mark say this is overflow parking, Yeah.
That's overflow parking. You can drive around to the side
and there is a driving range anda putting green right there too.
But you know why I parked there?Because you got there before me.
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And I parked there and you parked because I didn't know
that there was 2 parking lots. Well, so I walk, as soon as I
walk up the hill, I realize thatthere was 2 parking lots.
So a little bit about the, the course.
So Mike and I were able to sneakout for around on a Friday
morning. We were able to take a little
time off of work, get out. And we, he, he picked, of
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course, a rainy day, we picked the course and we get there on
the way there, I'd gotten an e-mail from the course saying,
hey, you know, cards aren't going to be allowed to go out.
That's going to be walking only.I called Mike and like, hey, do
you still want to go out 'cause I know that he has a few, a few
time crunches. He's like, well, we'll, we'll
(05:04):
see what we can do. So we get to the course.
You know, the, the, the staff guy that was working there just
so he was a, a kid. He, he was pretty nice.
And so you walk inside the clubhouse.
It's very small. The clubhouse did not have much
going on. There's not a lot of of square
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footage devoted to the actual pro shop.
Yeah, when you say clubhouse, you're talking about the pro
shop. The pro shop, Yeah.
So the pro shop was very small. The actual clubhouse was pretty
big. Yes, that's what that were,
that's where I was going is the the pro shop is kind of tucked
away in the bottom section. But yeah, I would agree when I
when I first got there and I walked in, you have to walk
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through the clubhouse where theyhave the banquet facility and
some other things, go down the stairs.
Yeah, or you can just walk in from the backside too.
That's what I. If you if you walk around the
clubhouse, not all of us, some of us go in the front doors.
They're like, I'm here for my tea time.
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But I was, I was running a little bit.
I think you got there ahead of me, which is now the second
episode about running. Well, that's kind of kind of
what you can expect when you have a busy life.
That is true. That is true.
Yeah. So the the clubhouse is is
updated. So if you go to the actual
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clubhouse portion of of the building, the clubhouse is
updated. Well, there's a pretty big
banquet hall on there and then tucked off in the corner is a
bar. And then if you go through the
front door and you go downstairs, you got the the pro
shop right there. And then you can walk out and
you got a putting green right out the door.
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And a large deck area that kind of overlooks that whole section.
Yeah. So you can, I think you can see
three holes from that. You might.
You might be able to. 118 and 10.
Yeah, yeah. Which we've talked about this
before, but I feel like there's there's pros and cons to having
those, right? Now there's pros, so when you're
the one that's out on the deck with the beverage, watching
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everybody tee off, that's the pro, yeah, it's great.
When you're the one that's actually doing the teen off,
that's the kind. Have you seen this is a little
bit of a side note, but have youseen the golf courses where they
will put a hole in one like an ace Cam on a par 3 course and
people as sitting inside the clubhouse can actually watch the
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hole and yeah. I I've never seen that, no.
I've been probably at two courses where there is a live
Cam feed of a par three that's on the course.
That's kind of they're holding one course and and that's kind
of a fun thing, but when you're out on the course, you're not
thinking about. That yeah, I've, I've seen like
the memes on Facebook where it'slike, you know, that's what golf
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courses should do, especially onthe whole 18.
And then you can like take bets and oh, that guy, the guy in the
blue shirts for sure going to Shank it.
So a little bit about the courseitself.
So looking at it from from the tips, the longest we have is
about 6700 yards, 6727 yards. When we were out there.
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I think we played from the whites, which was 6400 yards.
And the slope rating on from thetips is a little over 72, a
little over par is what it plays. 128 is the slope rating
also. So I, I, which I would say is
true there, there are some holdsthat require some precision in
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order to be able to score well. And there's also a fair number
of trees on the course, some some mature, I'm assuming
Hickory. I would I would hope that
there's at least one hold Hickory on the course.
I'm not, I'm not a, I'm not an expert when it comes to.
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What what, what do you call? What do you call someone that
knows a lot about trees? Let me let me look up and.
See, that would be an arborist. An arborist is that is that?
Is that the official name? That's the official name is an
arborist. Do you, are you Arbor Day?
Yeah. It's not an arborist.
What do you like? It's a tree.
What? I'll just do a quick Google, you
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can continue. OK.
All right. Well, when you are are looking
at the course when you first getthere, I got there with not
enough time to be able to actually spend time on the
driving range. Yeah, I, I but.
It was a pretty slow day. Go on the driving range either
because of how wet everything was.
Well, I especially it was wet enough that when we got there
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they were not allowing carts. It was walking only, which I I
enjoy walking of course. I think it's a great way just to
be active. You are correct, it is an
arborist. That's why I saw I I actually
side note, I hired an arborist before for my estate.
For your estate. Only when my wife and I happened
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to be outside and I was looking at a couple of trees that were
very obviously dying. And we we called an arborist and
he came out and told me that it it the trees were dying because
of an invasive specie. And do you know what tree is
dying in Wisconsin because of ofhorrible?
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Yeah, the the ash trees. Ash.
Tree. Yeah, well, I did not know that
I had two ash trees. Yeah, it's the emerald ash bore,
because. The emerald ash bore was killing
him and so I that was my arborist days.
He was able to save one. We had to chop down the other
one, which now you know. Now, now we know, now you're
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getting a tree information, you got weather information.
So you there's a lot of good information on this podcast.
You never know what you're gonnado.
You never know what you're gonnaget.
But when we when we got there, it was, it was wet enough.
And again, still a little bit early in in the year as far as
what the golf course looks like thrown in.
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But my initial impression walking into the clubhouse was I
actually it, It was the, the overall clubhouse was larger
than I was expecting it to be. I'd not played out there before.
And there is some practice facilities that you have.
You can there's a chipping green, putting green that you
can warm up at. And when we first started out, I
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actually felt like that the opening tee shot was fairly
welcoming, with the exception ofthe fact that I think I pulled
my shot out of bounds. Yes, you did.
And you hit your straight down. And I hit mine straight down the
center of the fairway. Straight down the center of the
fairway, which was one of the few fairways that you found for
the day. Yeah, that my, my, I'm just
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going to say this. My driving this year has is at
an all time low. Yeah, mine's not.
I'm going to have to track down my old driver.
Old Bluey, Yeah. Old, old, old bluey.
I I did look up a couple things and one of the resources that's
online that I've, I've looked atin the past is Wisconsin Golf,
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Wisconsin dot Golf. They've got a lot of course
reviews that are on there already, but I went through and
read an article that was writtenby Gary d'amato back in 2019,
and this is before, which we'll talk about here in a little bit.
This was before the golf course was just recently purchased.
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But he talks a little bit about the fact that this is kind of a
similar landscape where you see the undulations, you see the
hills, you see some of the trees.
That makes other great courses like Aaron Hills Whistling
straight, some of these other courses in the state of
Wisconsin as interesting becausethere is a lot of variation in
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in just the hills. Obviously you have some old
trees that are there, but it it was kind of a pretty course to
walk. What I enjoy about like those
older golf courses is that you, you're playing these courses and
you feel like the course was made into the landscape instead
of making the landscape into thegolf course, if you know what I
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mean. You know, you, you're kind of
using all of those 'cause you, you've been to a lot of, you
know, we've been to a lot of courses that they just basically
mowed on all the trees and that.But I, I appreciate when the
golf courses are, are made around the landscape.
Yeah, so they talk about the fact that it opened back in 1920
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and it was originally designed by Scottish architect Tom
Bendelow. What he was doing in Wisconsin
designing golf courses, I don't know, but he originally laid out
nine holes, which would eventually become a 18 hole
facility. It would be kind of fun to to
learn more and maybe at some point we can get in contact with
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the the course or some of these folks to learn more about how
that course grew over the years.But obviously it is a compelling
enough course for them to host some decent events at.
And I did feel like it was pretty well laid out.
My initial thought on the greenstoo, I felt like the greens,
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even though you could tell that they still needed to grow and
feel they need to be rolled modea little bit.
There was some undulation in thegreens.
There were a number of greens that were sloping back to front,
which means you can spin a golf ball if you go past the the the
flag. So overall, my initial feeling
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was it was it was more enjoyablethan I thought.
And this is only because it's inBeaver Dam, WI, which is not
necessarily a destination location.
No, I so when I was looking at courses to book, we wanted
something that was decently close, but something we hadn't
played before. So I was coming.
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And yeah, the same thing that you said with it being Beaver
Dam, I didn't have super high expectations, but it, it
definitely met and exceeded my expectations.
When you, when you, when you getout to the course, the first
tee, you know, you're, you're atan elevated tee box and then the
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green. So, so you're hitting over a
valley. The green on the other side is
actually a little bit higher than the T box on the other.
So you're, so you're hitting from one across the valley
basically. And for how wet the course was
as well, because when, when we played it, it literally had just
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stopped raining and we had had apretty soaking rain for the last
two days and the the greens werestill rolling nicely.
You know, you can tell that thatthe golf course is is maintained
fairly well because especially as we started playing along and
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the sun came out, the green started rolling a much faster
and. It drained, it drained fairly
well. Now there there was some areas
of the course that they were working on.
One of the one of the holes was still under construction, had a
temporary green when we were there so.
Which which they did not mentionwhen we checked in, but that
would be hole 6. Yes.
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However, I'm not in the habit when I check in of asking are
you doing any construction? Do you have any temporary
greens? I, I have golfed at a few
courses where there is obviouslythey're doing work on a green or
on a tee box and, and they'll move you just because of that,
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which is understandable. I I do think if a course has
recently punched their greens. They should definitely, you
know, and they should give you adiscount.
There should be a discounted rate because I would still be OK
playing. But if you go to if you go to a
golf course and you are expecting to be able to play and
maybe even attempt to score, well, you get there and realize
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that the greens have been punched.
It's really just just, I would rather that they just made a
comment when you go to register or you go to get your tea time
and something pops up so that you at least know.
Yeah, I'm so probably gonna havebeen punched.
Yeah, Yeah. And and there's been a few times
I've called in to make reservations and the guy's like,
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hey, just so you know, we just punched the greens.
Like we are giving a discount. It's like, OK, you know, usually
if I find out before, I'm probably not going to play that
course, but. It depends because I I might
still enjoy playing with punch green and then I can use the
punch greens as an excuse for mypoor potting.
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Well I can think you know, I would have probably 2 pot or
better every hole. Every single hole.
I would have been a one pot 5050feet away, 1 pot, but the greens
were pot. It was all the Greens.
Fault. So it makes it more difficult to
yeah to score. And and that it was not, it was
fun picking the the worms, yeah.Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You have to move the worms out of the way and go to Putt.
Yeah, yeah. I I think even though, you know,
obviously it had just rained walking, it was pretty decent.
No, it was. It's a walkable course for sure.
And there was, there was a lot of people out there, especially
for walking only. That's because they didn't tell
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you that it was walking only. Till you get there.
No, no, they they sent me an e-mail on the way.
Yeah. OK.
But but I was surprised at how many people were out there
walking. Yeah.
For like, it's like I said, it literally stopped raining on the
way to the golf course. I I also, you know, thinking
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about the course in general, I like a course that has some
short par fours. We've talked about that before,
but but also too that make you think off the tee box.
And there were a few of them where you couldn't just pull
driver out and and hammer it because you've got some sort of
a dog legger, you're trying to navigate something and there is
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some water features that come into play.
Yeah, yeah. And and to be fair, I I probably
shouldn't have pole driver afterthe 1st hole.
You just put the driver away indefinitely.
So I my initial feeling of the course, I felt like it was
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comfortable. I think it's certainly something
that you are a course that you could go to and just have an
enjoyable time without. Sacrificing some of the features
or you know, like I said, it had, it had decently rolling
greens. But I could definitely see it
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being of course, that has a lot of scramble events because of
the facilities that they have where they can host dinners.
And I don't know about this. I mean, if you're, if you're
local in the area and you find that, but there's, there's a
course which will review down the road called The Oaks in
Madison. And I know they have or in
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Cottage Grove area and they havea ton of events, Scrabble events
throughout the year to the pointwhere sometimes you go to try to
get a tea time there. Especially on the weekend.
And it's it's difficult to do sobecause they've got some sort of
an event going on. Yeah, I I would say the overall
feel and the look of the course was, was nice.
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They there was a lot of, there was a lot of challenging holes
and there was a lot of just different.
I feel like every time I went tothe tee box, you didn't know
what to expect. So, especially since we'd never
played there before, well. Just the way that the course was
laid out. So on hole 10 you are playing a
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dog leg left so. Right.
When you when you come in, you know your tee shot is right up
alongside of hole 18. But when you're hitting maybe,
maybe I I might be, yeah, a whole 9, yeah.
A whole 9 is what you're coming down.
So you, so you. 9 challenging too, because you that's a dog
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like right? And that one, I felt like I hit
a decent drive off the tee. But if you don't bend it enough,
your trees come in to play in that corner.
I think you found yourself down in hole 10I.
Did find myself. Done when we were teeing off at
hole 9. I did.
So you got to experience hole tank quite a bit.
Yes. But the nice thing about or the
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cool thing about hole 10 was, isthat when you so, so, so first
there's a lot of hills in this course.
And so you, so you're playing hole 10 and you're kind of going
up and then you get to around the dog leg and, and I had found
my I, I just trickled off the, the right hand side of the
fairway and hole 10 there and I hit what I thought was a really
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good shot from about 180 yards out.
And I come up and you come over the hill just a little bit and
he's like saying that flag is not level.
So so it comes. Elevated.
It comes out and then it's elevated very, very high up and
then 14 you have to go up a set of stairs from 10 to the tee box
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on or not 14 on 11 you get the climb up a set of tee box to to
hit your next tee shot as well. So you're, you're pretty high
elevated and then you're shooting into an elevated green
as well there. That one too on hole 10 I was
happy with because my drive kindof it went into the woods a
little bit on the left and then kicked out back into the fairway
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on at the corner. I think I got up and down for a
par there, and then on hole 11 Ihad a phenomenal Dr. You I.
Hole. 11 There's a hill that's kind of on the right hand side,
not very far either. It's not that far, but you were
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over on the hill, which was kindof fun.
I was over on the hill, which isthe 9th tee box or.
Right. You're right.
You're right. Yeah, that's the same hill as
the ninth tee box. It is the same hill and I did
not get a very good square in that hole.
That one was a little tough. Well, so and that one I think is
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a little bit longer, 409 yards. So it's not crazy long, but it's
definitely 1. You want to get a decent shot,
which you you hammered a drive on that one.
Yep, I think I messed up my nextshot.
You did and then I think you messed up your shot, your third
shot as well there. But we're not, we're not keeping
that well. So a hole #13 if we're going to,
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if we're going to talk a little bit about some of these, so a
hole #13 is actually a fairly short par four.
And again, another elevated green.
If you hit a decent tee shot youcan get up pretty close.
And one thing I'm going to interject here, if you're not in
golfing, like if you haven't been conditioning for golfing 18
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holes, which Mike and I have, the golf season just started
here in Wisconsin and then you go and walk 18 holes, there's a
lot of elevation at this course anyways.
Yeah, you're gonna get your step.
You're. Gonna get your step.
You're gonna get your steps in. Yeah, I know.
And there's enough climbing thatthat you can certainly start to
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feel a little winded. Yeah, By the end of the day, we
were also cruising. Yeah.
Because. I was so we we didn't cruise
fast enough on the front 9 right.
So the back nine, we're like booking, we were.
Booking it until we ran into a group in front of us, yeah,
which we ran into that group on hole 13.
So hole 13 is a a fairly short hole.
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It's 322 from where we played, 336 yards from the tips.
But if you don't, that's an elevated green.
And that one I hit into the trees on the right, and then it
kind of blocks you out from yourability to get up and down.
So yeah, that one. So that that whole 13 there when
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you get when so you can tell it's Wisconsin golf course.
So when you get up to the green,if you just look a little bit
past and after the left you willsee a deer blind.
Oh, that's right. Literally like 70 yards.
Probably not even that off of the green.
Right. So.
Could you, I mean could you chiponto the 13th green from your
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deer blind? And the answer is yes.
You could and we've all been there.
You're sitting on the deer blindand you get a little bored.
I mean, I I sure I had never once in my life thought about,
hey, can we integrate hunting and golfing?
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Have you, have you seen where they will like instead of some
sort of sporting clays event or yeah, shooting clays, you're
shooting golf balls. Yeah, I think this could be a
thing. I think that they're probably
using a rifle and I I personallydon't want anybody shooting at
me when I'm golfing. What if you were the one doing
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the shooting? Then it would be much different.
OK. All right.
But no, that that I yeah, that one.
And one cool thing about this golf course that I've never had
before. So there's a lot of blind tee
shots. Yeah, yeah.
And they have bells. I that was exactly something I
was going to bring up. Continue.
Well, I think it is. I take some pleasure in being
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able to ring the bell. As as do I.
Yeah. So at work, if you make a sale,
there's we have a bell that's hanging on the wall and we don't
use it as often as we should, but it's to celebrate right
here. There's three, 3, three holes,
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three holes where as you're walking off because you're
approach shot is a blind shot. You get to ring the bell and it
is almost a symbol of like I'm passing the baton to the.
Folks behind me, especially on hole 9, so that one I felt like
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was a very long hole. So it's 400 yards.
And you've got a sharp dog leg to the right and it's an
elevated tee box. Yeah.
So it's an elevated tee box, butagain, you're shooting across
the valley so that the IT kind of goes down and then up again
and then you're shooting down into the valley.
Your approach hot is going down right to the green.
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And that one I felt which I didn't hit a good drive, but I
felt like was you did not either.
Mine. Mine went on whole 9.
Mine went left. It was OK, but I was kind of
blocked out by the some of the trees on the left, yeah.
But but the bell feature is is pretty.
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Awesome. It is fun just because you get
to ring the bell and make noise.But it's also, like I said, it's
a symbol of hey, I've successfully moved beyond your
reach. I am now bequeathing, of course,
to you. You're like whether or not I
actually finished the hole or I just walked off the grid is
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yours. Yeah, nobody knows.
Yeah. And nobody has to know.
The question is, if you got up to the tea box and you were
unaware of whether or not the group in front of you, maybe you
don't even know if there is a group in front of you, how long
would you wait listening for thebell before you just hit anyway?
I mean, I'm probably just going to hit.
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Yeah, there's no, well, we didn't take golf carts, so I
don't know if there's any GPS inthe golf.
CART and to be fair, my driver probably going to go to the.
Woods It's the safest place if you're.
In the middle of the fairway, Right, Right.
Yeah, it, it, it, it's a cool feature.
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And the bells are old style bells too.
I I I would love to know how long they've been there.
Yeah, it's it's kind of like theLiberty Bell where they
inscribed 1776 on the bell itself.
Like, well, this golf course hasbeen around since 1920, but
we're putting 1776 on. Half of the bells have a crack
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running up through the bell. No, no, but it is a, it is a
historic place with the age of the course.
So when it, when it comes to some of the holes that are out
there, we, we want to name our our favorite hole and our least
favorite hole on the course. There's I, I actually had a hard
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time with this because I'm, I was going back through replaying
it in my head and I have a number of holes that I enjoyed
and some of the holes that are out there I felt like I could
have played, I could have playedbetter had I played better,
enjoyed that. So for example, hole number six,
was it hole number? Well, how about you do this?
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OK. All right.
Do your top three favorite holesthat you played just bang him up
like that. OK, top top three favorite I'm
going to say is a hole #10 I enjoyed hole #10 because I got
to. Do because you got A and you got
a good kick, all right. Hole #2 Yep.
Hole #2 I enjoyed Sharp par four, had a great drive there
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and then also hole #16 all. Right hole #16 All right, so for
me, my, my favorites were not hole #16I hated that.
But hole #16 made you think which hole number?
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16 was was terrible for me. Right, but that's.
I, I I. It's a par 5 and you have to
take an iron off the tee otherwise you're going to reach
the bunkers that are out in the distance.
I was not a fan, so for me my favorites were the par three
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with water in between, which let's look.
Was that yes, Yeah, yeah. Hole number I want to say it was
hole #12. Yeah, hole #12 #12.
So, so hole #12 is it's it a, a beautiful tee shot.
No, it was hole #7. Hole #7 Was it on the front 9?
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So I was the only one that foundthe green though, which is
probably why it's not on not on Mike's.
Whole #7 I I hit mine and it came down that false front,
yeah. And, and rolled back towards the
wall. Yeah.
Which it's a short. It's a short.
You hate to see it, but I I did not hate to see it.
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So I would say a whole. You hit a good, you hit a good
tee shot there. If I remember it's like 150
yards in the middle of the. Green yeah.
Hole 11. I, I, I did like, I, I did like
hole 11 even though it was not great.
And then I would say my my thirdfavorite would have to be
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probably I like hole 10 as well.So hole 10 and 11 are are fun
holes. Playback to.
Back Yeah 10. 10 But actually, you know what?
8 I would say 8 was a ton of fun.
So 88 is a a dog. So it's, it's not a really a dog
leg, right, But it does go right.
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And then you have a pond which which Mike and I both found
ourselves. Then I happened to make a great
up and down and and make a good,good hole on that.
You don't know the water's therefrom the tee box.
You can't see the water. Really.
See. It yeah, it's one of those holes
you probably don't want to play driver off the tee, but it's
it's a shorter par 4. But that that one was a ton of
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fun. That one, too, we were standing
up on the tee box and I looked down there and I wasn't sure if
I was seeing like a little muskrat running across.
Towards the water, yeah. And then as we got up, it was an
enormous. Squirrel.
Yeah, they they have some huge squirrels.
There it was. Huge.
Yeah, that. Speaking of hunting blinds.
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They should have squirrel hunting.
When you go out there, you should be able to get like a
permit. It's like, it's like all, it's
like golf and hunt or or golf and squirrel shoot.
Yeah, GG and squirrel hunting atthe same.
Time your small. Game License.
I don't know if we want people. Out there though, I, I don't
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think I want anybody. I don't, I don't want anybody
out there shooting anything close to where I'm going to be,
which is going to be in the. Trees.
What if What if you had a modified golf ball that worked
as some sort of a like a explosive difference?
If if I were to no, it's going to go right.
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It's probably not a good idea. Never mind, we should not be.
Scratch that idea MM, I'm resending you from being in
charge of any golf related things.
You don't want me to be in charge of golf course design.
No, no, definitely, definitely not going to be in charge of any
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golf course then. So I, I would say actually I, I
would say 8 is probably my favorite and then followed by 7.
So 7 and 8 back-to-back great holes.
So 7 and 8 back-to-back. You said you liked 10 and 11
back-to-back. When we were out there, there
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were a couple holes that had quite a bit of just pods that
have been dropping from some of the trees.
It was just that time of year with some of the seeds.
But it outside of that, I felt like the greens were all running
well. I felt like they were well
maintained. How did you feel about some of
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the, I guess just amenities on the course?
You think about a ball washers, you think about how the the
course itself was maintained. It was, I would say I don't
think they had a ball washer outthere.
I don't know if I saw any. Either they did not.
Yeah, there might. Have been a couple well it I
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feel like we need to be better at taking.
No, there, there definitely was not a ball washer out there at
the time, which, you know, it's April in Wisconsin, right?
Could still freeze. They did not have those.
Another thing I would say is thethe holes that were under
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construction, it's hard to know they they didn't mark them and
they didn't mark the way around them very well at all.
It was a little confusing I think, especially.
Well, because you hit so after we so So what was that par 5
where they cut off that par 5? And it was basically like, let's
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see. So you had.
It was hole sick that was under construction so so after hole 6
me and Mike are trying to find hole 7 which is a Part 3 and we
get up to this tea box and Mike's like man that looks a lot
closer. Then it says 179 from the Blues
so he has 179 shot and and goes way past.
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Way past, really. At least I.
I told you that there's no way, but they they did not mark out
the way around the construction very well which they were
working on it later on in the afternoon.
I will say that hole 6 is a par 5.
That's the hole that was under construction.
The green was under construction.
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They had a temporary green. Yep.
We did not know that when we teed off.
So, so Mike is going to be biased to this.
Because I made an. Eagle.
That's not an eagle. It's a fake score.
That's an eagle. I I hit a drive and I got it in
the hole in three. They didn't even have a hole
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there. There was no hole.
There was a flag stick in the middle of the fairway with with
a circle around it painted. I made an eagle on that hole and
I'm standing by. I also think we were walking.
We did not have golf carts. So it was probably even more
confusing because we weren't following that.
We were just cutting across. But yeah, that I will say,
having that marked out during and it's construction, yeah, but
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it is a bit confusing. But when you're walking and all
of a sudden you realize you justwalked, you know, an eighth of a
mile the wrong way. Now you have to walk all the way
back. Yeah, yeah, it it, it definitely
could have been marked. I feel like you should mark it
out. It's not that hard to put a sign
up being like, hey, that's. True.
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That's true, and also you could put up temporary scorecards that
have that as a par 3. No, no, that was a par 5 and I
eagled the hole. Let's move on.
Quickly. All right.
Least favorite holes? What do you have?
OK. Least favorite holes.
So there is on hole #14 your teeshot.
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You can't pull out your driver there because it's fairly
narrow. Yeah, and if you go too far,
there's a penalty area out in front of you.
There's water that's out there. So it's a it's a sharp dog leg
to the left. If you can really draw it around
the corner, you could probably hit like like maybe a three
wood, but you're bringing water into play.
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That one that we caught up to the group in front of us at hole
13, we had to wait. Hole 14 I think both of us felt
like. We were surprised that that
foursome didn't let us through as as just two guys and so we're
like, well, we're going to go and catch up on.
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So and. And my tee shot was awful and I
tried to play a conservative play.
I think I. Pulled so so I didn't hit into
anybody, you know? No, no, no, no, no.
We're we're not those types of people.
But yeah, I pulled out A5 iron and did not hit well.
And then you're blocked out by the trees on your left.
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If you don't get it far enough, you're blocked out.
You hit it too far, you're in the water.
So that was a very challenging hole.
I also feel like it, it just wasprobably my least favorite.
Well, it did not bring me much joy.
And as so that course, I felt like, well, it doesn't have like
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your traditional force carries where you're trying to carry it
over thing. You still have a forced carry in
the fact that if you don't, if you don't carry it a decent like
to a yardage, you're not going to have a second shot in.
So hole 14, if you didn't carry it past those trees on your left
hand side, you're you're not going to have another shot in.
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You're going to have to. But if you carry it too long,
you're going to be in the water.And and that whole, I'm assuming
just because of of the fact there's so many trees there, I
felt like was probably the leastwell kept from the tee box down
to that corner. And then when you go around the
corner, you've got water up the right.
But once you get there, it's fairly open and somewhat
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uninteresting. Yeah, for me, I would say I I
wasn't a huge fan of 13. It's just pretty much straight.
You're going into the, the greenis elevated, but and you have
the hunting blind in the back. So it might get interesting if
you're out there and you're hunting, you see somebody, or if
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you're out there golfing and yousee somebody hunting and they
shoot a deer. Then it could be interesting.
It could be interesting. What's?
What's the etiquette though, if you if you are out there golfing
and you get up to that green andyou see somebody that's in the
hunting blind, is it appropriateetiquette?
Do you just make eye contact with them?
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I I. Think you need to.
Go off if they see anything. You've got to ask what they see.
Anything. OK, I think that's proper golf
course deer hunting. So it's it's a short par 4 on
the scorecard. It's 322 yards from the whites.
But for me, it was, there's a lot of trees all along both
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sides. So the fairway's fairly narrow.
But it, it wasn't, there wasn't a lot going on that that I
liked. And then also 616.
Not a fan. I I liked 16 just because of
that being. Well, I did not like how where I
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wound up on 16 the score I made on 16.
Not a fan. I did not care for 18 as a
finishing hole. Yeah.
That one is That one's tough because it is a long par 5.
Depending on where you're playing from, could be over five
570 yards and the landing zone really narrows up.
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It does. And now that I'm thinking about
it, the holes that we dislike are the holes that are more
narrow and require some skill. Another one that I didn't like
was hole 4, which was the par 5 and I actually hit a fairly good
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drive on that hole. It snuck off to the right and I
could, I could not find my ball anywhere down there.
But that one, it's like you're going, you're going up a hill
and then you're going flat and then the green is a little bit
down. MM was on the phone half the
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time on that hole so he probably.
Doesn't I do. I was on the phone.
I don't even remember what I wasdoing on that one.
Yeah, but I. I you made a good tour on that
hole. Probably because I was on the
hole, I wasn't thinking about itas much.
Yeah, I did enjoy hole 15. That one was kind of a fun one,
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especially since it's it's shortenough you can have a a decent
tee shot and then your your approach is pretty fun, but
there's still there's a bunker on the left when you get up
there that that put some challenge in it.
But overall, I think that there was a variety of some some short
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par threes that required some accuracy off the tee.
I think that there were a coupleholes where you could really
just open it up and let it loose.
But I think that the trees and and the layout of the course
does demand a certain level of accuracy.
But it was pretty fun. When I think about this course
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and who you could bring to the course, what, what type of an
environment it would create, I could totally see having this
courses like a fun place to bring, you know, group of guys.
If you, if you were just out trying to find something to do
for a Sunday afternoon, I also could see it being enjoyable to
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bring, let's say your spouse forlike 9 holes and then getting
something to eat afterwards. I don't know that you, you
necessarily have to go out and do 18.
Do I think that it is a destination course?
Not necessarily, but I did really enjoy playing the course,
the layout more than I was expecting I guess.
(46:31):
Yeah. So for the for the cost of the
course. So right now they're they're
doing their spring rates so you can play a weekend for 18 holes,
57 with a cart after twilight, which is after 5:00 PM, which is
pretty late. You you're not going to get
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eighteen holes and after you start after 5:00 PM unless you
have a basically a clear T sheetin front of you and you're
playing by yourself, but that's 35.
After that it goes up to 69 withwith a cart.
So how are you feeling for that price point for the course?
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I, I feel like it's reasonable. Yeah, yeah, I think that's a
reasonable price. I, I think it is definitely
nicer than than a number of courses that I've been at.
I think having the clubhouse perched up on the hill, you can
see down into the the the golf course, you can watch people as
they're coming up 18 leaving on 10 hole #1.
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And nine now that I think about.It and nine it it is overall, I
think that it's well done. I think the inside of that
clubhouse as you're walking through there, not necessarily
the pro shop of the clubhouse ingeneral is, is it, it feels like
a good experience. So for that price point it it it
seems like a pretty decent deal.All right, So for a course
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rating, what are you going to give this course here?
So our course rating, we usuallygive it a a range anywhere from
a double bogey all the way to a hole in one.
For this course. I'm also I'm going to say this
is a par for me. A par for you.
SO for me, I think it would depend on how much I'm paying to
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play it. So for the weekday rate, which
which is if you play it during the week, it's $47.
And for me, $47 at that course is a birdie.
OK? Yeah, I don't think you're going
to play a lot nicer courses for that on the weekend.
You're paying 70 bucks. It's par.
You know, I feel like you can play a lot of comparable courses
for that. And I would be curious to know
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how it played when it was all done.
I feel like with the construction and you know, kind
of when we played it, we might not have gotten the full
experience, but I, I would be curious to know what it played
like. So if if anybody listening has
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has played it and you have some experiences that you want to
want to share with us so we can get a little better
understanding of the course, feel free to reach out and let
us know. But for me, I would say for $47
it's a birdie, For $70, it's a par.
It's a par yeah, I would sure, which I I think that's fair.
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And especially for a course that, you know, 1920, I mean it
that that's a long time to be around over 105 years of, of a
golf course. And I, I don't know when it
changed from a nine hole course only to a, an 18 hole course,
but there's, there's some history there.
I think, you know, I could totally see it being a, a pretty
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solid part of the community. Yeah, and definitely a place
that it seems like it has a goodvibe and a good feel to it.
Yeah. And and for those of you who
don't know where Beaver Dam is, so if you're on 151 and you're
going to some place that that isrelevant, Beaver Dam is you're.
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Going to Fond du Lac. It's going to be about about 20
minutes South of Fond du Lac. Something that we almost
neglected to mention. So when we first checked in,
because we were up against some time constraints, you actually
had asked about cart. Oh yeah.
And they said, no, no, we're notreleasing carts because the
water on the course part way through our round.
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I think we've just gotten. We had.
Just finished Whole 14. There was a young man from the
pro shop who came up to us in a cart and was like, hey, we're
just about to release some carts, if you guys want one we
can get. It and we can bring it out to
you. Yeah.
We'll even bring out the cart toyou.
Now by that point we had already, you know, it was
already far. Enough.
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And we were like, by the time weget the cart, it's probably not
gonna be worth it. Right.
But I, I was, I was genuinely. Impressed.
Well, and then I said hey, I think I left a wedge.
No, I left my my cover for a wood at on one of the on one of
the the fairways. I couldn't find it and about
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about 15 minutes later he comes driving up.
He went out and looked for it, found the cover and brought it
out to me. So that's fantastic service,
yeah. I mean, that's great customer.
Service that's great customer service and then after the
round. Yeah, I, I had to.
I had to book out of there pretty quickly.
Yeah. So we finished up. 1818 was a
terrible hole for me. So I ran quick, ran quickly to
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exit the course back to my vehicle, and cried a little bit
at home. Which you couldn't tell because
we it had been raining a little sweaty.
It's just the rain. So, but I I did stop into the
clubhouse and got a Brandy old fashioned and that was it was
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OK. It was nothing special.
If if I was going there just forthe Brandy old fashioned, I
would not recommend. Did they?
Did they actually muddle or was it from a mix?
I'm. Pretty sure it was from a mix.
OK, All right. Well, if it if they did muddle
and it was not from a mix and somebody overhears this, they
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might be deeply. Offended.
They might be deeply offended. Like you can't mess with that
stuff. And it should be muddled
anyways. Whoever decided to make a Brandy
old fashioned mix to save a few minutes, it's not worth it.
Just muddle. Just just muddle.
Just muddle. I I do you, did you wind up
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getting any food? I did not get any food so I was
also I needed to head home as well.
So I just stopped in for the brand deal fashioned and like I
said it was, it was OK. And the service.
The service was good, I was the only one at the bar so it was.
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The service was decent. The service was good but.
I and I think that facility there, I'm sure they probably
promote this on their website, but I bet you could probably fit
a couple 100 people in there if you're having an event.
Their their banquet hall was quite large.
Which is why I think you, I could see that being a course
that does host some outings because I think it's a fun
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enough course. If you have a scramble event
going on or a fundraising event that you could spread out, you
you would have enough room for folks and and it's challenging
enough that you could have some fun.
Yeah, it it was, it was a fun time.
It was. It was good to get out there and
walk it. Yeah.
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You said it was a par. I said depending on what you're
paying for it, it could be a paror a birdie.
All right, so do we want to do we want to talk about our our
golf game as well as far as who won that match?
Yeah, that's the thing that. We've talked about, but we we
are keeping track and unfortunately my track record.
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Hasn't been great. So, so right now, so right now
the track. So I won that match with my
handicap because we are playing these matches based on our
handicap. So far between the three I am up
30. But to be fair though, I you
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have not, you haven't played well.
I have not played well. I've not played well.
I haven't. Played well, but.
Whenever I'm by myself. Yeah, we can all make, we can
all make great, of course, when we play by yourself.
But but yeah, so far, so far I'mup 30 between the last three.
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That's that's painful. We'll, we'll bring you some
reports as we go along here. But yes, net net score Steven is
up 3. All right.
We gotta come back from this. So for our next course, we are
going to be playing the Oaks in Cottage Grove.
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And we are also, so Mike and I are part of a league that we
have joined this year. It's on Monday nights and we are
going to be bringing update fromour league when we review this
course, kind of let you know. And, and I thought it'd be fun
to kind of just kind of bring you up to up to speed on what
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our, our, our league is doing and how we're doing in it.
Thank you very much for listening.
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A big thank you to Old Hickory Golf Club for being hospitable
and especially thank you to the young man you came out to make
sure that we had a card and to take care of us as well.
Yeah, so where do you want to see us go next?
Let us know at the Bogey breakdown@gmail.com or by
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Join us next week for the Bogey Breakdown at The Oaks Golf
Course in Cottage Grove, WI. Portrait if you are driving
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jeans. Yeah.
And you might be you could be golfing there yourself.
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So give that one a drive and provide some of our feedback.
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