Washington County Golf Course

Stephen and Mike are joined by their good buddies Chris and Ben. They talk about how Mike got all them addicted to golf. What the best hole in one experience would be. And the fear of geese.

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Episode Transcript

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Nice buddy that's going right atthe flag.
I like this. Get a little bit, get a little
bit. Oh.
Did that go in? We're two brothers with the

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ridiculous goal of golfing everygolf course in the state of
Wisconsin. All well trying to manage our
schedules, avoid getting fired from our jobs, raise families
and doing our best to overcome our own terrible golf.
That's right, and apologize for the lack of an episode last
weekend. We had the end of school as well

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as a lot of other things going on in our lives, and like we
said that that's going to be priority #1.
Yeah, which is surprising that we would be that busy when we
have a significant number of children running around and very
busy schedules. But yes, we also said we were
going to do a review on the OaksGolf Course in Cottage Grove,

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but. We have something special lined
up for that episode, so. So we have decided to delay that
till next week and instead we took a little almost impromptu
journey north and brought along a couple of buddies to enjoy
Washington County. So we're on the call.

(01:41):
We have Chris who I I would say is better than Stevens, terrible
golf and returning guest Ben whoplayed with us once before and
gave some reviews. So we're excited to have both of

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their perspective on Washington County Golf Course.
And it's a course that I have actually seen a lot of reviews
online. I've seen I would say probably a
fair number of fly over videos of the course as well.
And one of the things that it often gets compared to is Aaron
Hills. So if you look at some of the

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reviews, which which is just 10 miles South and is currently
hosting the US Women's Open thisweek, which is pretty exciting,
but similar topography to what you can see down in in Aaron
Hills. But I saw a review, I don't
remember if it was on Wisconsin Golf Addict or Wisconsin Golf

(02:45):
Reviews, but they compared it tothe poor man's Aaron Hills.
Yeah, which we played with the last weekend actually of their
spring rates and we played an afternoon tea time.
So I think it was $55, yeah, forthe round, I mean, which is for

(03:05):
that price, for that course, that price is phenomenal.
Yeah, agreed. And I will say this is the
second time that I have golfed there.
Ben, you and I golfed there for Father's Day a year ago, Do.
I get to talk now. Yeah, yeah.
Walk us. Through I was waiting for my

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epic introduction here and I just never came.
I was like, hell yeah, he's heretoo.
Yeah, Ben, Ben's lurking in the background.
Yeah. So, so before, since, since you
bring this up, we should probably make sure everybody is
is aware. And let's.
Who they are? Let's let's introduce Chris
here. Chris and I go back our whole

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lives. We've been best friends for, for
our whole lives. Chris, tell us a little bit
about your golf game and, and kind of what, how much do you
play and things like that? Well, if our golf games or
anything like each other's. They don't probably want to
know. But I started golf about the

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same time as you, Steven. Mike got me into this
predicament. It's.
The same so. I'm I'm not like a super avid
golfer. I go out probably once, twice a
month during the short golf season that we have here in

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Wisconsin. I think I'm probably somewhere
around a 2527 handicap. I don't really track it though.
But yeah, we were just talking on 18 birdies.
He was suspicious of his own handicap.
I don't know if he's only counting the bad rounds or only
the good rounds. I was suspicious that it was.

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Too low of that as well. OK, all right, so you feel like
your heated. Cap should be higher, too high.
Probably I don't golf consistently enough, but I'll
have the few good rounds. I didn't do terrible out there
at Washington, but. Yep, I'm looking at the
scorecard now, which we'll talk a little bit about how we we

(05:15):
golfed. Well, that's.
Why I'm here I'm here to make sure everybody looks good.
All the. Time.
Ben, you were the only one consistently hitting fairways
out direct. That's that's true.
That's yeah, that's true. I'd have to look.
Which at least it tells us that you need to work on your short
game. Mike, you also need to.

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Work which I have Ben. So I, I want to go back to the
comment, Chris, that you made about me getting you into golf.
Then Steven chimed in. I feel like I'm kind of pushing
something in the back alley. Yeah, so, so Mike is the the
golf, I'm going to say drug dealer.

(05:56):
The golf dealer, Yeah. So so you got us all into this
mess and you did not get us out of this mess.
So now we're all addicted. OK, well let me ask you this.
Does it cost you an exorbitant amount of money?
Yes. Yes.
Does it ruin relationships with family?

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It could. It could, though.
Does it? Does it?
It does sometimes. I would say bring on the long
round, bring on some aggravation.
OK. I also probably get four or five
texts around. Behold you one.
Have you seen the videos where the spouse or the girlfriend is

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watching them on like a snap mapor whatever it is?
Yeah, roasting. Them guy that does the songs of
like what it what his girlfriendlike message him.
Yeah, yeah, or she'll she'll like message him and be like,
ohh, do you need a towel? Ohh, I can see you over there by
the water. Well, I as of right now, it

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sounds like it costs a lot of money and it ruins relationships
and and family scenarios. It can be addictive.
You think about it a lot, very addictive.
So the way you guys are making asound is is putting me in a bad
light, which is unfortunate because I actually have heard
many things that golf is a greatway to help with mental health.

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I would love to say it's therapeutic.
Do you mean it's it's good for your mental health because it it
makes everything else seem better after around?
It depends. I I would say because it, it
drives you to therapy. Yeah, you to therapy.
It drives, it drives you and maybe your spouse or significant
others of therapy. And I'm going to talk about it.

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This is all seems like a good thing to me.
Well, I do know that getting up early mornings in the summertime
when you can get a very early tee time and just being out,
particularly if you can get out before the rush, there might be
one or two other golfer sets outthere.
The dews on the ground, the sun is still coming up made the
grounds crew is out working on it, and there is.

(08:08):
Sometimes, depending on the course, you.
Put. That's fair, yeah.
You stand over and Lord over. Them I, I will say that it is
very peaceful. It's, it's kind of like if
you're a hunter and you are, you're sitting out in the woods
watching the sun come up and there's just something about
that moment that just maybe I'm waxing philosophical here, but I

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feel like it, it does kind of provide a sense of perspective.
It it kind of gives you a certain level of peace and
mental clarity. I spent many early morning
thinking, you know, this is great.
And the same thing with golf. I think if you're out there
early and you're able to enjoy it, where it becomes a problem
is when it's a six hour round and you're waiting and and

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waiting and waiting that that's tough.
But Washington County, I felt like the pace of play was
decent, very different than the first time.
Going back to Ben, when you whenwe first started talking, you
and I played it a year ago on Father's Day and it was raining
and storming and we had no less,I think than 3 lightning delays.

(09:18):
Yes, all of which ended up with a beer at the clubhouse, some of
which was provided for us. That's right.
Which was kind of nice. Yeah, we had a nice playing
partner that I was feeling generous.
It wasn't all that. And those were early morning tee
times, so some breakfast beverages, but enjoyable.

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Beer breakfast beverages becausethey do not serve alcohol there.
That's correct. It's a it's a municipal course
and I think municipal courses donot have liquor license.
They only can sell beer. That's a good question, I'm not
sure. I know that it's the same thing
at the. Maximum.
Courses that I've played. OK.
That they only saw sell beer. Yeah, OK.

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I believe that's the same for the county courses by me.
So let's let's talk a little bitabout our experience when we
first got there. We got there with enough time to
actually check in and get out tothe practice area.
And I will say if you are going to this clubhouse and you're
looking for you know that the nice restaurant, the bar area,

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that's not what it has. The clubhouse I would say is
nice. It's adequately sized, but they
do have a good practice facilityand they have I would say a
pretty generous driving range. When we were out there, they
were doing some work, they had us moved forward.
But one of the things I've seen in a number of reviews as well

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as just experiencing when we're out there is driving ranges is
set up well. You've got a short game area
that has some bunkers that you can practice shots out and then
I believe there's also a like a,a three hole executive style
course that is part of that practice facility.
They have a three hole practice facility.

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They got a a putting green, a chipping green and bunkers.
Right, so from a from a pre round practice perspective, I
actually felt like it was set upwell.
Yeah, it is. The only thing is that the the
driving range is pretty far fromthe the clubhouse, so it's not
ideal to walk out there, which Chris I got.
There it it took me a second to find it.

(11:30):
Was kind of lost for a couple seconds, but.
Yeah, I almost felt like I was trespassing when I was walking
out there. Yeah.
Well, it's, it's a pretty big, pretty big practice area.
It's it says it's 3 acres for the for the range as well with
six target greens. I believe it, yeah.

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They've and they've on the outside of that practice area is
where you have the three holes that are set up.
So, I mean, you could, you couldspend quite a bit of time there
actually, if you were a junior golfer or if you lived in the
area you golfed on a high schoolteam, whatever.
That'd be a great, great practice facility just to go
and, and hone your skills and feel like you you were able to

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hit play a couple holes on a regular basis too.
So overall, I would, I would rate their practice area pretty
highly just because of that. A little odd.
Ben, I think at one point you got there after me and I saw you
on your journey from the clubhouse out to.
The I walked across one of thosenow that I.

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Look at it, you walked across the the.
Practice. I walked across one of the Yeah,
one of the executive, the holes.Good thing nobody was there.
I mean, that's why I said I feltlike I was trespassing.
I'm going. This guy was way too nicely
walked on. I would say that course was in
pretty good condition when we got there.
Yeah, it was in great condition.It's still, you know, early ish

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in the in the golfing. Season and while the the nice
thing is, is that we played early enough in the golf season
that the the rough hadn't fully grown in yet.
Right. Yeah.
So, so off the first tee, Chris hit his just a smidge left off
into the to the rough there. And I bet you if if you played
that in July, you're not findingthat ball.
Yeah, it's possible it would have grown.

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Because it because it it was already decently tall and it's
pretty thick once you get off into the off the even the the
the second cut there. Yeah, hole number 1, I feel like
it's a pretty inviting tee shot.It's it's a shorter hole, but
the, the course itself is very lengthy.

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It very lengthy feel it's open, not a lot of tree trouble.
You can certainly be very creative with your tee shots.
If your driver's a little errant, you can you can still
hit from a few different fairways and still score well,
which I I felt like I. Took which you did on.

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Yeah, you did a couple times. Couple holes.
My driver was not behaving well.My short game was a little bit
better than it has been, but. Well, I was just.
I think at 1.2 you we had when you were hitting one of yours,
there were two other people on that fairway that were not
apart, that weren't. Supposed to be on that fairway.

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No. That's probably true.
Well, you must have, you must have made a pretty decent chip
on your your first shot because you went over the green with
your second shot and you made a par.
There Yep I I pulled the par outI hit AI went long on a whole
one thing just in general that Iappreciated about this course.

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So there was a lot of elevated tee boxes.
Yep. So you're able to see the flight
of your ball and you can kind ofsee where the troubles at, which
is kind of which is kind of nice, But I also feel like it
gives you a almost a better viewof the course.
There's there's a lot of hills that are in that area.

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And I'm assuming it's similar to, you know, the whole cattle
or escarpment from the Ice Age when all that stuff was moved
around and pushed. But it it makes for an
interesting view and you're standing in each tee box.
Speaking of which, I want to touch on that quick from the
clubhouse, just kind of startingthere.
This place is fairly easy to find it.

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It does feel like it's kind of in in the middle of nowhere,
even though it's fairly close toHartford.
It's just got that very country feel.
But that view standing on the balcony from the clubhouse
looking out over the chorus is really beautiful, you know,
because you see that and extendsto the woods beyond and it's a
lot of countryside. Both Times Now we've been there,

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despite even storming the first time it it's nice like they put
some thought into that position and and placement.
Yeah, yeah, I agree. They they took advantage of
that. I and I've always wondered how
many acres do you need to make a, a well laid out, well thought
golf course? Because you have someone like an

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Aaron Hills, which is it's hard to not make comparisons to just
because they're so close and they're similar in the in that
they're link style. But I feel like they did a good
job at at making it feel bigger than it actually probably is
from an acreage perspective. But that that's fun.
So when we start thinking about just the the gameplay itself,

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the biggest thing I I would say that I found challenging was the
greens. So the greens were tricky to
read. I mean, I don't know how many
pots we went to make that were just.
They just, they just looked likethey were breaking dead left and

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the grain, I think it was the grain.
Yeah, Chris, Chris, tell us yourfeelings about those greens.
I know you before we started this recording, you said you had
some some some thoughts about that.
Yeah. So just tell us your true
feelings. Well, the condition of the
Greens, it was like it was really nice.
They they were very pure. There was not, there was some

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divots, but there weren't too many.
It was just the grain had to have just been playing with my
mind because me and Mike would look over these pots and we'd be
like, yeah, it's probably about a cup. 2 cups out to the right
and it went dead straight. Two cups to the right, Yeah.

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Yeah, I would. I would see a break, same thing.
And then it would just be a deadstraight pot, which my putting
is not great. But usually you'd miss by a
little bit, not just go dead straight every time.
Right, right. Yeah, the the grains were, the
grain was tricky. The the the putting was tricky

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and the greens were pretty quick.
Very fast. So I don't think this is a fluke
because and I talked about in the course this happened to Mike
and I when we were there last year, it was we thought it was
the fact that it was raining, that it was wet and then maybe
this isn't the case, but it makes the most sense.

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You're absolutely spot on with the whole grain if it was with
you or going towards the whole like it was fast.
If you're going against it, I mean it obviously it's kind of
catching the ball going slow, but I mean who's getting down
there on their knees and studying the grass?
Well, I think that. Just.

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Kind of comes with. A little more.
I don't know if experience is the word, but just green reading
skills from like knowing what the grain actually does because
like at my level, I don't, I don't necessarily know what the
grain does to the ball. Like I can figure out which way
the grain's going, but I don't know how that alters my balls.

(19:08):
Like line. Well, even trying to chip.
Into grain or or where it's running away from you can make
it more difficult, but the greens were.
For I I would say. For us, I don't know that they
were lightning fast. I'd seen a few reviews where so
I'm assuming you know, dependingon when they roll or when they
when they mow the greens at the speed is going to change a

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little bit. But I would say that the biggest
challenge was just the green reading itself.
You've. Got.
Undulation, you've got grain that you're trying to also kind
of think a little bit about, butit made it kind of fun.
I could see that you could play that course over and over and

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over again. And depending where the pen
placement is, depending on what's going on, you would still
enjoy it. Yeah, for sure.
So do one. Not a lot of not a.
Lot of them are flat. No, no, and some of them are are
kind of running away like I remember on hold number one,
that green is, is downhill, but also you could land, depending

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on how dry it is, you could you could land your tee shot or your
approach short of the green justto try to get it to run up onto
the green and hold so it doesn'trun long.
And I think that's, you know, obviously links style courses
are going to be a little bit more that way, but I could see
that on a number of holes where you may actually not want to

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carry your approach out all the way to the green in order to get
to stay, which is kind of fun and frustrating all all at the
same time. And I.
Think that that is it, that's a good thing to have on a course
because we, Chris and I played around over Memorial Day weekend

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at a course and the greens were just beat up.
And then, and then when you, when you're putting on them, you
know, it, the, the putts are they, they break the way that
you see it just depends on your speed.
And it, it's, it's definitely a fun challenge to be able to go

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and, and try to, and, and it's agood thing to challenge
yourself. So when you're, when you're
playing these courses and they're, their greens are a
little trickier, You know, that adds to the element of being
able to learn how to be able to read these trickier greens.
And it's, and the thing that thething that is so amazing about
this course is that it's a municipal course.

(21:38):
So the fact that you can get greens where you're talking
about the, the, the way that thegrass is, the way that the the
grain is on the grass at a municipal course is, is
phenomenal to me. If you if you told me that this
was. A it is.
It is exciting. It's like, that's so cool that
that's available to me, yeah. I would definitely agree with

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that. So do.
We want to talk about some of our favorite and least favorite
holes on the course here. Yeah, I'd, I'd like to point out
here, so I'm looking at my scoreSpeaking of of putting, I'm not
a great putter. That is an area that I'm sure a
lot of people can resonate with.I'm really trying hard to figure
that one out. This did not make it any better.

(22:25):
I had 51 putts on this. Course.
Yeah, that's that's a lot of putts, especially since you were
hitting it it. Destroyed me.
Yeah, it destroyed me, man. Yeah, that's a lot of putts.
Benny, we got to work on that, so I'm going to try.
Not to let that bias my review. Yeah.

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Actually, Mike, I'm looking on Garmin and you were the though
the the net winner of the coursethat day.
So really. Yeah.
So Garmin has a leaderboard and you were you were the net winner
there. Well, thankful we had like.
Kind of all those like younger guys, the trio like behind us

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and. Thankfully, nobody had garment
devices that they were tracking their scores on.
Yeah, darn. I left mine at home.
Yeah. Had had anybody else had a
garbage device, they may have won.
Yeah. So.
So the course, like Mike was saying it, it's it's a link

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style. It's very open.
The the trickiness of the coursecomes from especially when it's
grown in from all the the rough that grows in and all the the
fescue. Yep and and also the greens and
the undulation on there. So we played from the blue Tees
which is 65187 yards and honestly my one of my favorite

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holes was the 1st hole. I wonder why?
Well, it, it helps smoke a smokea 300 yard drive down the middle
of the fairway and then you havean easy, easy approach shot.
I, I just came up about two inches short of my birdie putt.
But it, it is a, it is a fun opening hole from the Blues that

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plays 396. So it's a shorter 1.
And I, I bet you if you really it in your elevated tee box and
I bet you if you smoke to drive,you could get it really, really
close. But yeah, there's.
Like a little speed slot on the right?
Yep. So if you hit that right side,
you'll just roll right up there up next to the green.
But I. I also liked a hole that I did

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not do very well on, which was hole 7.
It's a par par 5 and you have water all the way down all the
way down the the right hand or the left hand side, which that
that I did. I made it into the not into that
big. I actually went into the Creek
in front of the front of the green.

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But but you are, you're hitting.So it's a 500 and 2025 yard par
5. You have water all the way down
your left hand side. Your fairway is not very wide.
And then when you get up your, your green is elevated and then
you have a Creek that runs in between the end of the fairway

(25:25):
and to the elevated green. So it's a, it's a very, it's a
very tricky decisions making, which it didn't matter what
decisions I made. It's it's also the number.
One handicap hole, I mean, that's the hardest hole in the
course, yeah, which it's very easy.
To see why, if you go on to their website, they have
flyovers of all the, of all the holes, which I like and you can

(25:47):
just see the you can see the thechallenging aspects of that hole
yeah I. Actually put hole #7 is really
well. OK.
You did do well. Yeah, I I put hole #7 as one of
my favorite. I also put hole. #7 as yeah, it
was my favorite hole of the course.

(26:07):
Would you scored well? In that hole I.
Should have scored a birdie, butI I it was my favorite because I
hit a good drive and then I chose the risky decision to get
really close to the green with my 5 wood.
It paid off. And then I scold.
That's right. My wedge over the green.

(26:28):
Yep. Yeah.
And I took a second drop right there just to see what could
have been and I chipped it like 2 inches from the hole.
Yeah. So.
Yeah, that one. That hole is is fun.
If you're a longer hitter on hole #7 you could go for the
green into however that Creek there, it's a small green and

(26:49):
you have you have like. And it's slow it.
It's kind of what would you callthis?
It's like a saucer, almost an upside down saucer.
So if you. If you hit turtle back, yeah,
turtle back green, There you go.So if you go long, you're going
to roll back. If you go short, you're going to
roll back. It's very challenging and, and
at one point the fairway probably narrows down to like 10

(27:10):
feet across. Yeah, at the.
Narrowest point it it does get skinny and like you said, you've
got water all the way up to lefthand side.
But yeah, I put #7 as one of my favorite just because of it
being challenging. So and it's also.
Just a beautiful hole. It is so Ben.
You also said you put #7 as one of your favourites.
I did. Just again, for that challenge I

(27:32):
also did really well and told I got I got a bogey and that's
really good for me. I did not do well.
Because I but. And.
Almost one of. My favorites.
Were great. That's not just why I liked it.
I do actually like that challenge at the end, even
though my short game is rough. I like those ones where it's not

(27:55):
just battling, you know, the fairway right up to the green.
When you have to overcome an obstacle kind of at the end, it
just makes it more interesting. And so.
Oh yeah, yeah. No, I agree.
Anytime you've got a challenge that you're and.
And I found I think like 3 ballstoo, which were probably 1.
Which he promptly gave. To me, which I did.

(28:16):
Yeah, yeah, it's always great. That when you have a.
Buddy that can. Just give you probably once.
That's right. Yeah, butter.
And everybody up there, Benny, That's right.
I. Put hole #7 is my favorite and
hole #10 hole #10 dog leg, right?
And you can it because you've got an elevated T box.
It's a shorter hole. If you hit it down, I mean you

(28:39):
can get close to that hole and it's it's just kind of a fun
looking hole as well, which I also scored well on that hole,
which I'm not saying I'm influenced by my own scorecard
and you had. A lot of pars in a row there.
There was a lot of. Pars and on the back nine and on
the front 9A. Lot of pars in a.

(29:00):
Row I had a couple blow up holeshere and there, but yeah, over
overall, I didn't do too terrible.
No, you shot very well. But yeah, I, I had #10 as one of
my, my favorite holes, just the way that it's laid out was kind
of fun. Yeah, I had the.
Hole right before that hole #9 that's one of mine.

(29:23):
Just because the way it's laid out, you have to either make a
decision. It's another one of those holes
where you got to choose. Are you going to play it safe or
are you going to go for it because you got the corner?
You can cut the corner. But you got to clear those
bunkers, Yeah, on the right. And also it's just like leading,
leaning up towards the clubhouse.

(29:44):
And it's just like a nice littleway to end the front nine, yeah.
Which I was the only one that found the fairway on there, but
that one actually has a like a pretty long forced carry to even
get to the fairway. That's not true.
I found the fairway on that one,did I?
No, never mind. I'm pretty sure you didn't make
it to the fairway. I'm pretty sure that.

(30:08):
You, you did not make the carry there.
I think that one was a little left.
No, I. Yeah, no that.
Is the one though I did have a areally nice shot with my 5 wood.
I think that's why I'm reminiscing here because.
You're. Having that's all good it.
Was redemptive you're you're having a.
Happy happy thoughts from your 5wood there.
Yes, All right, yeah, I I, I also enjoyed that.

(30:31):
I mean, there's not too many. I I was kind of thinking about
like what that my least favoriteholes were and there's not that
many. There's there's a couple holes
that we goose proof alley that was on hole 14.
Was that hole 14 then? Yeah, that's hole 14.
And there were there were at least favorite holes.

(30:53):
Yeah, a lot of. Geese on that one.
I parted that one too. It had a decent one, that one.
Depending on where they play. I mean, I'm looking at the
scorecard now that can play verylong.
You know you can do 200 yards when we when?
When we were playing it, it was 192 yards.
I think to the flag. It was all the way tucked.

(31:14):
In the back, Yeah, all the way. All the way.
Tucked in the back. To the left.
Yeah, which brings water into play.
Which? A lot of.
Geese. So my my wife, the goose is her
arch enemy. She enjoys she enjoys running
and her I think one of her secret fears is that she will go

(31:37):
out for a run someday and never come back.
And it will because be because she has been attacked by geese.
Well, coming. Down your Rd. there you have
that family of geese and they. Just love to.
Hang on the road there. She refuses.
To go that way because of the geese.
And we've been out golfing a handful of times for example, we

(31:57):
talked about kestrel a few weeksback.
They have a lot of geese out on the course and that the geese
there will chase you down. Yeah, they.
Will, we've seen that in. Real life at.
Least you have, you know, a weapon in your hands.
I have a fight, yeah. I don't.
My wife runs with Mace and I think she'd use it.

(32:19):
I think if a goose even looked in her general direction she
would use Mace. A goose.
Honey, why do? You need a new can of Mace.
Yeah, yeah. What happened to the inside?
The road. You're like how?
How effective was that? I've run into some geese out on
the course. I wonder if I wonder if geese

(32:42):
would react to Mace in the same way that like I'm I'm assuming,
probably doesn't feel great to them either.
No, I'm. I'm sure that all all of the
animals have feeling in their eyes.
Is that the technical term for the animal's nervous system
feeling? Feeling.
I'm, I'm pretty sure that sensation, you have to be able

(33:06):
to feel a sensation. I mean, I guess I thought we
knew that, a disclaimer saying. That we do not condone cruelty.
They have no, no, no, no, no. And there's it should be very
hypothetical, please. Don't call PETA.
Yeah. The DNR.
Shows up life and death situations.
Here. Yeah, I, I.
Also going back to holes that I liked a lot, I think 18 for a

(33:29):
finishing hole is is awesome. It's it's you're you're shooting
up to an elevated green and there's some undulation on that
green there. You got bunkers guardian on the
front on both sides. And if you go along, which MM
found out that you can lose a ball in that that fescue right

(33:50):
there between you and the clubhouse and for a finishing
hole. It's it's it's it was a lot of
fun. But overall the, the course is
just, it's so pretty like you goout there and on a lot of those
tea boxes, you, you're looking out and you can looking out at
all, all of the trees and there's some, some, some Bluffs

(34:13):
and stuff you can see in the background.
And it's just, it's a very well maintained course.
So it's, it's hard to find holesthat I didn't like to play.
I I would say if I had to to sayI didn't really like a hole that
much, it was probably hole 3. You know, you're, you're on an
elevated T box, you're shooting down.

(34:34):
If you go left at all, your balls going to roll out of the
fairway. Everything kind of slopes down
and away to the left. And then you have a bunker right
in the middle of the fairway on the green there and it's a small
green. It's a, it's a par 5:00.
But that was probably like one that I didn't really like to
play that much That I mean, thatone was was.

(34:56):
Fine. I also feel like I remember you
going. Didn't you get?
A good tee shot on that one. I I hit a good tee shot, but it
just. Trickled off left OK and I found
myself in the fescue and then but but overall like I I don't
really like holes that the the fairways slanted.
It depends on if it's. It depends on if it's slanting

(35:20):
back into the fairway from your shots, but it I I always get so.
Annoyed like there's a course over in Richmond Center and
there's literally holes on the on the it's only a it's only a
A9 hole course. There's literally holes right on

(35:41):
the side of a hill and you cannot hit a ball into the
fairway because if you hit a ball into the fairway, it will
not it and it and the hill is very steep.
Like they even have signs like don't drive the car on part of
the side of the hill because youyou can roll your cart over.
And so if this one isn't that drastic, but I feel like, you

(36:03):
know, I hate being punished for a good tee shot.
You know what I mean? Yeah.
Yeah. Well, I.
I think Washington County in in general, like like we've said is
is well maintained, great picturesque views.
Definitely of course, I would recommend getting out and giving
a try at in particular at that price point.
I could imagine and and we did not experience this, but I could

(36:25):
imagine it gets busy just the above of.
Reviews that I've seen an. Activity online about the
course, I could imagine that it gets busy the later on the
season that you go. You actually have to to reserve
or to register to be able to reserve times.
So to get on a waiting list for like, yeah, you have to get on a
waiting list for the more desirable times I'm which I

(36:49):
would assume would be in the mornings site on their book of
tea time spot that you actually have to go and reserve or or get
put onto a wait list. Oh yeah, I've not seen that.
I, I will say I'm in a number ofgolf groups online and the talk
about slow play in general is always prevalent.

(37:12):
I feel like, which I get it. I mean, if you're trying to get
out on a Saturday or Sunday and you don't want to spend 6 hours
on a round, that could be tough.But from my experience that most
of the courses we play, I don't feel like it's, it's, it's a
significant amount of waiting. Do you give?
Extra grace to like if say you're watching it like I can

(37:35):
see that they're looking for their ball all over the place.
Do you give grace to that versusjust watching somebody me and
they're just kind of standing around?
Well, it depends like I. Feel like, you know, we're not
great golfers here, but there definitely needs to be like if
you make a bad shot, you're supposed to have 3 minutes to go

(37:56):
look you for your ball. If you can't find your ball,
you're supposed to take a drop. And like, if someone's out there
for 45678 minutes after at leastonce a hole, that really, really
slows down the pace of play. And, and what I did like about
the golf course as well is like,they have really nice golf

(38:18):
carts. And yeah, they did have.
They did have that pace. Of play on the they had the pace
of play on there and. I just feel like it's
disrespectful to the rest of thegolfers if you can't maintain a
decent pace of play right if you're if.
You are bad at golf. Move quickly.
Yeah, try to try to keep it up as much as you can.

(38:44):
All right, so. Other things about the golf
course that we appreciated. Chris, you got anything you want
to say about the OR or any anything that happened out there
that you thought was was funny or are we going to are we going
to talk about the? Almost hole in one.
Yeah. So the the the intro.
To this that the person that hitthat shot was Chris, and from

(39:08):
the elevated tee box it looked close, it disappeared.
Over the top of the the, there'slike a little hill in front of
it. And I came up just short is what
we found out. But it disappeared and we were
all pretty excited. Yeah, I, I tried to tone it down
a little bit. I was like, I was peeking.

(39:30):
I was like, no, no. And then as we got in the cart
and started driving up, I saw, Isaw it peek up over the hill.
And I was like, aw, man. 'Cause I don't think any of us
have. Had hole in ones correct?
No, no, no, no. Just your daughter.
Your daughters. Have yeah my my.
Daughter has one, which we were just talking about today

(39:52):
actually, but no, I do not. I'm going to catch up.
You have to be able. To hit more green.
Rags to improve your chance of all in one.
You just got to do it once. That's right.
Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I.
Actually just seen on. Facebook today somewhat over at
Castro, which we did the review on our first one had just got
his 1st hole in one after I wantto say it was like 55 years of

(40:15):
playing, so don't tell me that. There there's chances for
everybody that. Feels like that feels like
you've actually put scale into it right?
It's like if I were to get a hole in one now it it's
completely by chance. I also love it when you when.
You're when you see the videos of people like, you know,
they're, they're just like that TikTok videos or whatever, Like

(40:36):
when they make the hole in one and they have like a like a top
fight ball. They're like, you know what,
actually, I, I didn't think I feel like hiding the emblem.
It's just a white ball. I would mount that.
I'd mount that. Sucker.
Yeah. I, I, yeah, I mean, I would, but
you want to mount it so that no one sees that it's top light.

(40:56):
That's when you go up to. A part where you would display.
That probably be like look at me, I got it with this ball so
so. Then here's a question for you
guys. Do you think that if you're out
there and you're playing and youget a hole in one, can you
switch out your golf ball? I think you have to wait.
You mean? Like you don't want to.
Play that golf ball after the hole in one.

(41:18):
Well, no, I'm thinking like. Do you want to be known as the
person? Oh no, I thought you meant like
you keep like you're like just. Like oh, I.
Got the probe we want to Yeah. Gotcha.
Why? Why are you?
Playing with the. Top flight to begin with.
That's that's why I was going to.
I was going to say is like you got that decision to make when
you go up to a par three that has water off to the left or the

(41:40):
right and you're like, well, do I take this top plate?
Because it's probably going to end up in the bottom of the
hole. You, you've just got to just,
you got to risk. It for the biscuit you you've
got to go for for the glory withthat pro V1.
I mean you don't you don't want to be mounting top flights.
That's that's. Like those videos that you see
all over Facebook? OK, well.

(42:01):
I think I. Think if you get a hole in one.
With the top flight like just whatever crappiest ball you can
pick up a Nitro. You should play with that the.
Rest of the round? Well, because then you're going
to lose your. Everybody's face you're going
to. Lose your like you're going to
lose your hole in. One ball then.
That's what I thought you were referring to.
When you said switch it out, youdefinitely would have to save.

(42:24):
That that could be, you'd have. To save that, but then you
always. Have to have like an asterisk
with it. Like I didn't make this with an
actual real golf. I I would.
You know, honestly, I would keepwhatever the golf ball was.
I feel like it would at least bea story.
You could be like, like I made ahole in one even though I had
the worst golf ball. I had to overcome so much

(42:47):
adversity. Imagine this scenario though.
You're out playing by yourself. You hit a top flight, you get a
hole in one. Is it?
Can you even be excited about that at that point?
You have nobody to celebrate it with, no.
One's going to believe you. Then you're like, yeah, I got
this top flight ball mounted here.
You'll have. Nightmares of it for years.

(43:08):
Yeah, Would you? So would you rather?
Get that's what I think you maybe you switch.
It out because then if you say, Oh yeah, I use this, you know,
well the Pro V1, right? Well, like, yeah, I, I did it
with this Pro V1 that you'd always, you'd always.
Have that at the back of your head.
I don't. I don't think you can.
I think you have to. You have to display whatever the
golf ball. Yeah, I mean.

(43:29):
So would would you guys rather get one hole in one in your
life? But you're surrounded by your
best buddies. You know, you you just made an
incredible hole in one with all them or would you rather make 15
holes in one, but you're always by yourself?
I would rather do. The one it's just part of the
experience. Yeah, I I would.
Agree with it. I'd rather.

(43:50):
Have one? I'd rather have one.
With my With my. Buddies than do 15 by myself
because first of all who's goingto believe you that you got 15
holding one by your phone yeah you like I.
Only ever make colon ones when I'm by myself, just like Mike
when Mike shoots a low score by himself.
It's always when I'm by myself. That's because I don't have the
stress, you guys, Barry. Weighing him down, yeah, but I.

(44:16):
I think a great hole would be hole #14 that we talked about
with all the the goose dropping fell over.
You have like a little bit of goose.
Goose poop on your your. Hole in one case.
Imagine this. There's.
Water to the left, you step up, you're like, I'm just going to
grab this noodle because I foundit and it's going in the water.
You hit it, it's a terrible shot.

(44:39):
It rolls down across the front, dribbles onto the green, it hits
a goose turd and knocks it into the hole.
Had that turd not been there, would not have gone in.
Lucky. You're lucky to.
Hit a single goose turd. How would?
You rate that hole in one. You, you're with people.

(45:05):
But it's it's kind of a crappy scenario.
Yeah, literally. Literally Speaking of worst
holes. I hated this hole.
I you know what? I've decided that short holes
along with my short game. I don't know both of the short
holes on this course. I I choke.

(45:28):
I just choke. Which is funny because.
And I don't the last review. You were with us.
On you picked all par threes. I know that's I.
It's OK, Benny, I ended up. In the water with you over
there, too. Yeah, we all all but Mike.
Yeah, all this probably true andI.
The worst part about? It is, but let's let's go.

(45:48):
That's why I. Didn't like this whole.
It's not necessarily because it's short, it's because A,
you're either going to the water, B, you're going in some
thick stuff with a lot of angry geese, or C, you're going to the
right, which is all trees, and then fescue beyond that.
Yeah, that's a whole that I wouldn't.

(46:09):
There's no option here. Nope.
No. There's some survival skills
needed for that one. Yeah, I.
Stay in the cart, honey, stay inthe cart.
We can't. Touch you in the cart.
Oh. Contractor.
They can, they can, they can flyright to that garden, take you
out. It'll be like Jurassic.

(46:30):
Park when the the what is that? The frill was I can't think of
the name of it. Tax Dennis and the Jeep.
Yeah, so I I'm. Actually looking at their
website at their tee times rightnow and for the weekend as far
as you can book, there are no morning tea times for more than

(46:50):
there's one you can just set up an alert to.
If it comes available so you join our virtual.
Tea time wait list. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And and that. Just talks that.
Just so this is one of those courses that you really.
Want to plan ahead? If you're going to go, do I mean
you? Yeah, you'd probably have to
wait. Until the tea times come out and
then try to book your tea time right away, which is a
phenomenal that you guys got teatimes on Father's Day early.

(47:15):
It's because it was going to storm.
Apparently everybody else was smarter than they were.
Weren't you guys in raincoats? Were we?
Wearing raincoats. Yeah, I think we were moderate
rain gear. Yeah, I don't remember being
great rain gear, but actually I think it's after that.
Round that I went out and I picked one up specifically.
Now I keep it in my bag. Mike, I think you had two so

(47:38):
thanks for sharing your coats. I do OK.
Yeah, I. Vaguely remember this.
It was hard for you to. I understand the the arms, the
biceps and stuff were stretched out, but I was really drowning.
You were. You were drowning in.
That coat, but you, you managed to do fine.

(47:59):
It was OK. Speaking of home ones, swings
and I almost lost my club. Off my on my sleeve.
I was actually at a golf outing one time.
It was a scramble event and it it was raining for most of the
time and twice during the the round, literally someone just

(48:20):
lost the Golf Club slipped rightout of their hand in particular
with the driver. And they're on that same outing,
there was a club pro that was stationed at one of the holes
and could give you, he was giving people golf swinging
advice mid round, which is the best.
It's always a good thing. It's a terrible idea.

(48:40):
Terrible. We we came up and he starts
talking about grip and dude, change this and do that.
It was the worst hole. There's this.
There's this thing going around on on social media where it's
like, do you think that you could beat Scotty Scheffler

(49:03):
playing from the back tease? If he plays two rounds and you
only play 1 and you use your score on a PGA Major
Championship venue, do you thinkthat you could go out there and
you could put a score up better than two of his scores?
So let's just say he goes out and shoots a 68 and a 68 or a 68

(49:25):
and a 65. Do you think that you could
score better from the back teasethan than that which would be
like a one 25135 between betweenthat range?
My answer. Is no because from the back
Tees. Those back Tees that the pros.
Play from there. A lot of those you have to have

(49:45):
a certain carry distance to evenmake it in play, right?
Otherwise, you're just you're. You're just in an infinite loop
and you can't make it over, and you could make 60 strokes.
On one hole you think of like the the trickery.
Of playing Washington, counting greens.
Imagine playing greens that are rolling at 15.
Like I just now read that they're the the course that's

(50:07):
going to be hosting. I don't, I don't the open the US
Open, their greens are going to roll at 15.
Yeah, that's like the other trend that was.
Going around about the Masters, could you win if you started on
the green? Yeah, yeah, just putt, just putt
just. Putt and I don't think I could
either. I also don't think.
That's. Crazy.

(50:27):
Yeah, at Oakmont. Country Club is where they'll be
at that that's that. I mean, imagine because you
they're playing. From like 7500 yards or 7800
yards, I'm not sure where. Oakmont Oakmont will be.
But it's. Long you know I was out we're
going to talk about this next week we'll we're going to talk a
little bit about the US women's open 2 weeks and I am still

(50:55):
surprised at how long some of these lady golfers can actually
hit the ball but several of the tea boxes you.
May want to rephrase. That one.
Well. I'm looking at the tee boxes
that I played on and the tee boxes that they are on and I
know where my drive was versus where their drive was.

(51:17):
Isn't isn't that and it's it's, it's impressive.
Isn't that something that's? So phenomenal about golf is that
you went out and you're watchingprofessional golfers play at the
exact same golf course that you played 100%.
I mean, that's. Got to be a surreal moment.
Which I'm excited for you, for you to tell us about that.
But do you think that we should talk about some scores?

(51:40):
Yes, we can talk about scores this time.
Because you and I have a little challenge going on and so far
you have wiped me out on the netscoring.
Yeah, yeah. So as.
Of the last three, I was up 30. So, and, and like we had said,

(52:02):
my round started off fantastic out of Washington County,
started off with a nice little par bombed a 300 yard drive and
then kind of went down the hill from there.
You were making some good putts.And you were making some good
chips. It was more off the tee that I
think you were having trouble after the first couple holes,

(52:24):
after the first couple holes when you can't.
Find the the club at all and you're going underneath the
ball, which happened to me on hole seven.
Yeah, it makes it difficult. All right, well, I.
I was a net 68, yeah. And I was not 60. 8 Where were

(52:45):
you 70? Two net. 72 so I.
Think that's that is a win. Finally, in my book, that is a
win. A win.
For Mike, don't. Yeah.
Big drum. Roll, please don't get used to.
That because. That's that's going to be it's
trending. It is trending.

(53:06):
It's going to be trending. I I'm pretty sure that's like if
I'm going into the NBA Finals and I'm up 3 to 1, I'm, I'm
looking here. Why do I have you as a net 68,
Mike? That's what I just said, net. 68
OH. I thought you said 72.
No. I'm a net 72.

(53:27):
Oh, I see. I'm sorry.
Guys here, I'm just trying to give it to Steve then just.
Playing mind games with my. Plan, but I was like no.
I won. I I know I won.
It's about time. Give it.
To the Yeah, well. Any final thoughts on Washington
County boys? And then how would you rate the

(53:50):
course overall? Yeah, we'll start.
With Ben. So having the privilege of
playing this twice now, I've enjoyed it both times.
I'm going to take the path next time to the practice area.

(54:10):
I'm not. Going to walk across.
The Executive Greens. I'm surprised I didn't get
yelled at. And then let's see here.
Yeah, our rating system. Is anywhere from a double bogey
you could, you could have a holein one, but we have yet to have
a course that is a hole in one. So double bogey, bogey, par,

(54:33):
birdie, eagle. I I think now knowing.
About the the scheduling and being a bit tougher as you're, I
mean for obvious reasons, this thing, this course waffles
probably between. An eagle and a birdie.

(54:56):
OK. I think I think this.
Is very close to like a high level course.
Maybe not. Super complex, but it's.
Beautiful. It's well kept, good carts.
It's got a lot of that. So that's where I would put
that. I like it, Chris.

(55:17):
I. Really enjoyed like the layout
like we talked about and I like the spacing of like par fives in
the par threes. It wasn't like they were back to
backs or all were on the back 9.I I really like the carts too.
We touched that and they were the GPS was really accurate and

(55:39):
a little too accurate. Sometimes we had to back up a
few times, I would say due to the clubhouse not being able to
sell liquor and the accessibility like Ben
mentioned, I would probably put it at a birdie.
It's it's definitely, really, really nice once you get out

(56:00):
there, but getting out there during the peak season is
probably going to be a little tough.
Yeah, I, I would go along and make that 3 birdies in a row
for, especially with it being a municipal course, the, the
course layout is fantastic. The course was in really good

(56:20):
shape already. And you know, you get that
challenge, but you also, it's also playable for anybody for
any skill level. I would say it's it's a birdie
for me. Yeah, I'm also on the birdie
train. I feel like for the price it is,
it's a beautiful course. It's hard to beat that price.

(56:42):
And, and the value is there. And it's a course that you could
continue to play over and over again and, and have a different
layout and a different experience almost every time.
So well maintained to the crew over there at Washington County.
Thumbs up. Yeah, doing a great job.
I'd like to say this because I know we've touched on it with a
couple other courses, and that is I really like the courses

(57:05):
that are upscale and they feel upscale and you feel upscale,
but they are not pretentious andthis falls right into that.
Yeah, agreed all. Right.
So one last little thing. So we did not get get food or

(57:26):
Brandy old fashioned there but we do want to shout out for
places to get food and Brandy old fashioned in the area.
So after the round we did a little chipping contest which I
lost and the loser had to buy Brandy old fashions where we
went. So we went to Bank Shots bar
there in Hartford. We got food and they make a

(57:51):
great muddled Brandy old fashioned.
I would say that it I definitelywould recommend recommend that.
Yeah, there's there's quite a few food.
Options down in that area that'sjust right down the road from
the course. You know, the course itself
doesn't have a restaurant, although they did have hot dogs
and you ate on hamburger that wethat.
We ate in a hamburger. Bun because they were the last

(58:14):
one because I had they were on ahot dog.
Buns. They're not pretentious.
No, no, yeah, it's fine. Like, hey, I feel like that's
kind of a classic. You know, you grew up as a kid.
Use a slice of bread, use whatever is available.
That's what my mom would have given.
Me. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But yeah, I agree, we went down in good food and bartender was

(58:38):
great. Yep.
And and like I said. Muddled Brandy Old Fashioned is
always going to score well in mybooks.
So, all right, I feel like that was a great bogey breakdown.
Agreed. Yes, thanks for.
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kicking us off when they saw us out there, when they saw Ben
walking across and. When they saw Ben walking
across. The wrong place and definitely

(59:22):
they they put a lot of care and attention into the course So
very good. Thanks for listening yeah.
And so. Next week we will do our episode
on The Oaks and we have a littlesurprise for that one, a
special, special guest. We're excited.
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