April 15, 2025 • 42 mins
🎙️ The Bold and Brilliant Podcast with Tracie Root
Finding Your True North with Life Coach Jana Lane
✨ Episode Description
Have you ever felt like you were going through the motions, living a life that looked great on paper but left you wanting something more?
In this inspiring and heartfelt episode, Tracie sits down with *Jana Lane*, the vibrant and wise “True North Life Coach,” who shares her bold journey from decades in retail and mortgage to a life of purpose as a transformational coach.
After moving 27 times in 32 years, finding love and settling down, Jana hit a moment of clarity that changed everything. You’ll hear how one bold decision—hiring a life coach—set her on a path of personal transformation and sparked the creation of a new, deeply aligned business helping others find their own *true north*.
Tune in for a conversation filled with honesty, resilience, woo-to-wow mindset shifts, and the power of saying *yes* to personal growth—at any stage in life.
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👤 Meet Jana Lane
Jana Lane is a certified DreamBuilder Coach and the founder of **Your True North Life Coaching**, where she helps people reconnect with their inner compass and create a life they truly love. With decades of experience in retail and mortgage lending, she brings real-world understanding, practical structure, and heartfelt compassion to her coaching. Whether through one-on-one sessions, group coaching, or workshops, Jana helps her clients declutter their minds, homes, and hearts to make space for joy, clarity, and lasting transformation.
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💡 In This Episode, You'll Learn:
- How Jana’s upbringing in a military family shaped her adaptability and perspective
- The defining moment that led her to say *yes* to coaching—first as a client, then as a coach
- Why organizing someone’s physical space often leads to emotional breakthroughs
- How your past experiences—even the painful ones—can become your superpower
- The transformational power of a simple morning routine (and why it’s now sacred to Jana)
- The difference between woo and *wow*, and why the term “life coach” is evolving
- Jana’s big, bold dream of hosting collaborative retreats in tropical destinations
- Why there’s *no such thing* as too many coaches
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🔗 Connect with Jana Lane
- **Website** www.theresnospacelikehome.com, www.yourtruenorthlifecoach.com
- **Instagram:** https://www.instagram.com/nospacelikehomeorganizing/#
- **Facebook:** https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100064044972886
-**LinkedIn:** www.linkedin.com/in/janalane
- **Email:** jmlane321@gmail.com
If you’re seeking a dynamic and compassionate speaker, or know a group that would benefit from her wisdom, reach out to Jana directly. She's actively booking speaking engagements and workshops!
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(00:01):
Are you ready to take boldaction and live a life of
brilliance?
Welcome to the Bold andBrilliant Podcast, where women
leaders share inspiring storiesabout daring decisions that
shape their businesses.
Their lives and their careers.
Today, I'm with the fabulous andamazing Jana Lane.
(00:22):
She is your true North Lifecoach because regardless of how
your life is right now, with theright knowledge, tools, and
skills, along with the properstructure of support, Jana
believes you absolutely canbreak free and find a whole new
level of fulfillment.
Now.
(00:43):
As we talk, you'll hear Janashare her journey of
entrepreneurship, including onebold decision that has created
her path of what was next.
Her story of resilience,risk-taking, and transformation
will inspire, encourage, andsupport your personal and
professional growth.
Please join me in welcoming Janato the Bold and brilliant
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podcast.
Tracie (01:07):
I'm so excited.
Jana, welcome to the podcast.
I'm so glad you're here.
Jana (01:12):
Thank you, Tracie.
I'm excited to be here too.
Yay.
Tracie (01:16):
We've had a chance to have a number of conversations
in these last few months as ourworlds have finally officially
intersected.
We've been peri on the peripherytogether for a while, and I'm so
glad that you're hanging outwith us in the gather community
as a creator.
And of course, we are in otherorganizations together where we
(01:37):
get to run into each other everynow and then.
So I'm thrilled that you'rehere.
To talk about, what you do, yourstory, the things that have,
made it made.
The things that have made yourlife become what it's become
because it is a pretty darn goodlife.
Jana (01:55):
It is.
Tracie (01:56):
So let's talk about it.
Tell me, I, we can see on thescreen it says, Jana, your True
North Life coach, but that's notwhere you started.
No.
So tell us a little bit abouthow you got going as a grownup
in the business world, and thenwe'll talk about what bold
decisions you made to get towhere you are today.
(02:19):
So how about some background?
Jana (02:20):
Ooh, background.
I am a young woman.
I'm a young, 60-year-old woman,and I'm wearing it proudly.
Yay.
I have decided that my third ofmy life is going to be my best
third.
Absolutely.
And I've had I've had a, I'vehad a really good, interesting
life.
I'll share some personal things.
(02:41):
If I might just start.
I was adopted when I was ninemonths old and grew up in a
military family.
So I had the pleasure of movinga lot as a kid.
I was preparing for apresentation at some point in
one of my prior careers.
And I mapped out the UnitedStates and all the places I'd
been, and then I was like, oh mygosh.
So I started counting all thetimes I'd moved, and even when I
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moved out as a young adult, Ikept moving.
I moved 27 times.
Tracie in 32 years.
Isn't that nuts?
Tracie (03:13):
That is a lot.
And it's understandable.
Everyone knows that militaryfamilies move a lot and that
military kids go from school toschool to school.
And learn certain life skillsand coping mechanisms.
Both as a result of that.
But that is.
That is a lot.
Jana (03:30):
That's a lot.
It's interesting because I, whenI think of my brother and I who
raised by the same parents inthe same household, right?
Doing the same things, how, twopeople in the same circumstances
can have completely differentlives and modalities in the
world and ways of living in thisworld.
So that's interesting to reflecton back knowing what I know now,
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of course, didn't know it then.
So that was a fun way to growup.
And my first career was inretail.
I did that for about 18 yearsand worked my way into from
sales floor to management.
Then I got into the mortgagebusiness.
And just had a really fun life.
I moved to Pacifica, Californiafor work where I met my hus, my
(04:15):
now husband, and we've beentogether over 30 years, Tracie.
So I went from moving 27 timesto being in the same house for
30 years.
Tracie (04:26):
You must love it there and thank you.
Yeah.
Isn't that interesting?
27 times in 30 years and now.
And that was it.
One
Jana (04:34):
place.
Yeah.
And then you're done.
Yeah.
It's bizarre.
So now I just travel instead tofill that, to fill the void.
Tracie (04:40):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I love that.
It, it's interesting, I the,your comment about two people
raising the same household, Ithink that's like really common
sibling story as well.
My younger sister also is.
Really wants to stay in the sameplace.
Very not, I wouldn't say set inher ways per se, but we
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definitely have differentattitudes about change.
And I am very like, when's yourbirthday?
Jana (05:08):
September 8th.
I am eighth.
Virgo.
Tracie (05:10):
Virgo.
Okay.
I was gonna say I am aSagittarius and one of our
hallmarks is adventurer.
So I very much identify withthat.
Because I also, I didn't move 27times.
I could count it.
It's probably gonna be a dozen,maybe by the time I was 25 ish.
(05:31):
That's still a lot.
Which is still a lot.
I went to five elementaryschools.
Most of that was elementaryschool, and then same place for
like middle school and highschool.
And then at that point I was onmy own decisions and started
moving again.
Because my mom was a Capricornand didn't have.
After my parents split, shedidn't have that interest or
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really the means to do any kindof movie.
And I think that's just wasn'ther way.
She had been a stay-at-home momdidn't have a job until my
parents split and had to gofigure out how to be a working
woman as a single parent.
Jana (06:03):
Yep.
Tracie (06:04):
But I was always like, where can I go?
What can I do?
Go and
Jana (06:07):
yeah.
Love it.
Sister.
I remember we moved, I thinktwice during my fifth grade
year, and I've always blamedthat on why I, to this day do
not know my multiplicationtables.
Tracie (06:18):
You hadn't done'em yet in the first place and they had
already finished them in secondplace.
Jana (06:22):
Bless my dad's heart.
He was trying, and the camperswere moving across country
trying with those flashcards toteach me math and it just.
Tracie (06:30):
Oh, that's so funny.
Yeah.
Not my husband has similarstories in math.
Yeah.
My husband has a similar story.
Not so much with math'cause heis an engineer, but with other
like school things like fifthgrade science camp that most
kids go through, it's a kind ofa rite of passage to go.
You probably didn't get it, didyou?
Jana (06:48):
Nope, I didn't do any summer camps or whatever they
were called.
All the kids had those littlethings they made with their camp
name on it.
Yes.
Never had one.
Oh.
Tracie (06:58):
Yeah.
Jana (06:58):
Okay.
Tracie (06:59):
Yeah, it's, my husband has a similar story.
He had moved somewhere and thatschool had already left, and
when he moved to this otherschool.
Yep.
Yeah, same thing.
Jana (07:07):
You miss a lot, but you gain a lot.
I wouldn't change it for theworld.
I absolutely love the way I grewup.
Tracie (07:12):
I love it.
And then, so you talked aboutbeing in retail, moving into
mortgage, and clearly that's notwhat you're doing now.
True North Life, coach, woman.
So tell us, I, I think thatwe're at the point where we're
talking about you were staying,you were living in the same
place, married to the same man,and you decided that you wanted
to just do something different.
(07:33):
Tell us like why and how you gotto that point where you decided
to make this bold decision thatwas gonna completely change how
you spend your days.
Jana (07:44):
It's such a fun question to reflect on.
I think there was a definingmoment that I didn't realize was
a defining moment.
It was something that actuallycame to me just yesterday,
Tracie.
I, in about 2018, I decided tosign up for life coaching.
Tracie (08:07):
For your own, like to have a coach?
Jana (08:09):
Yeah, I was, yeah.
I hired a life coach.
Yeah.
And when I did it, it was, Ifelt very moved by, by the coach
and the when she was speakingand by the words that she had
said at some event where I mether and I thought, I would love,
I was very happy I was in mymortgage career thought that I
was super happy, I was makinggreat money and.
(08:33):
Yet.
And I wanted more personally.
So when I started working withLauren, it was for personal
reasons.
I wanted to be a littlehealthier and I wanted to work
on my relationship with myhusband as a wife to make sure I
was being a good wife to himbecause he's an amazing husband.
(08:55):
I won the husband jackpot.
That's so sweet.
Like any relationship,especially when you're together
for many years, there's ups anddowns and so I just wanted to be
a better wife to him and be abetter steward of my physical
body and take care of my body.
So that was how this whole thingstarted.
(09:15):
So I, I did a little bit of lifecoaching and so it's 2018.
Fast forward.
In the mortgage business.
We had the pandemic came andthen the lockdown.
And while many people were outof work in the mortgage
business, we were bombarded withwork because the interest rates
were so low during that time.
Tracie (09:36):
Sure.
Jana (09:36):
So I spent, a couple years really just nose to the computer
and I became a paper pusher.
And I didn't really realize it,but when.
Things started to open up againin 22, and it was time to go
back out in the world.
I didn't want to, I didn't wannakeep doing what I was doing, and
(09:59):
I didn't know what the heck Iwanted to do, but I knew I was
done like the mortgage career.
I was like I've taken thisjourney as far as I can.
I'm personally not happyanymore.
And I had gone in and out of thecoaching with Lauren my life
coach.
And so it was interestingbecause when I left the mortgage
(10:19):
business, and I know we'vetalked about this before, like
the very next day, after my lastday in the business, I got an
invitation to go to.
A dream builder workshop, whichis what, how I met Lauren in the
first place.
And it was just beautiful thatfell in my lap.
So I had the opportunity to do alittle dream building and that
(10:41):
the program that I attended is.
And I'll get back.
It's what I ended up now beingcertified to teach.
And in that moment, I had noidea that was gonna happen.
So I went to the workshop.
I spent two days dream building,decided that I was going to
start a home organizingbusiness, and that is what I
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did.
And so I reengaged with Laurenas my business coach.
So she does did coaching forcoaches.
And that came with the lifecoaching piece as well.
So for the couple, first coupleof years I was working with her,
building my organizing business.
I was experiencing the trainingof having the life coach.
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And what's beautiful about theprogram that, that I studied and
teach is we work with fourquadrants of life.
So we really focus on, not onlyour vocation and our work in
this world, but also time andmoney.
Freedom, health and wellness andlove and relationships.
Yeah.
So it was a nice well-roundedexperience and I think having
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that teaching while I wasworking with my clients it
naturally just merged for methat.
While I love organizing, I, andI'm fanatic about it.
I'm the per, I'm the kid thatcomes home and organizes my
parents' pantry even though theydidn't ask me to.
Yeah.
A little, and, a little annoyingto them, but it always looks
better when I leave, so I feelgood.
Tracie (12:10):
And maybe there's some expired things that can go away.
Jana (12:13):
Always.
I, yeah, A disorganization justmakes my brain hurt.
So if I have an opportunity toget in there and do it, I will.
Anyway, that was so funny.
I totally lost track of where Iwas going.
As I was working with myorganizing clients, I realized
that the.
The internal transformation thatthey were having from the work
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that we were doing and theconversations that we were
having was really the part thatlit me up because as an
organizer, I, one of the, mypillars when I founded that
business is I don't work forpeople.
I'm not going into fix it foryou.
I want to go in there and reallyhelp you understand why you're
doing what you're doing and helpyou create systems and tools.
(12:58):
To support you when we're doneso that the best day of my job
with you is the day you don'tneed me anymore.
You can do this now, fly, befree, right?
And I've worked with somebeautiful clients who have
taught me so much, and I've seenso much growth and change in
them.
It's been a really beautifulexperience.
And it, there was just a pointwhere, and I don't even, I
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couldn't even pinpoint it, butthere was a point where I
realized, holy moly, I actuallywanna be a life coach.
Like here, I'm a home organizer.
Guest
Tracie (13:29):
evolution.
Jana (13:29):
Yeah.
And I love it, but I'm like,okay, I want to be a life coach.
Wow.
Okay.
That's.
Really scary.
Really scary.
Why
Tracie (13:39):
is it scary?
Jana (13:40):
You know what?
I think part of why it was scaryto me was my own mindset around
what a life coach is.
Tracie (13:46):
Okay.
Jana (13:46):
So a lot of people didn't know I had a life coach.
It was something I did in secretbecause.
It's
Tracie (13:53):
it's very personal.
It can be very personal.
Jana (13:55):
It can be very personal.
But I also had a mindset aroundwhat I thought it meant.
Like the, oh, the spiritualityand yeah, I, it's oh, only those
crazy, and I know this term hascome up in other podcasts of
yours, but only woo people dothat kind of stuff.
Stuff.
I've realized woo is just, wow.
Wow.
Woo.
Tracie (14:16):
I like
Jana (14:16):
it.
Yeah, it is.
It's amazing.
And it's, I think woo is reallyjust our mindset of what we
think it means.
Because the reality is, and Iheard Lisa talking about this in
your podcast with her it'sscientific.
It, these are rules.
Exactly.
These are universal laws.
The, just the way it all works.
Yeah.
Everything is connected.
Tracie (14:36):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's universal laws in the waythings are connected, but it's
also, there's also the scienceunderneath.
The thought processes.
You have how your neurologyfunctions.
And it's a whole body situation.
It's not just something you'reimagining.
Jana (14:52):
Absolutely.
So I've learned I've learnedthat being in the place of
understanding It's it's easierto live my life every day.
Like my new knowledge, my newskillset that I've gained since
I started life coaching as astudent.
It's just, it's beautiful.
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It's almost effortless.
And people have said to me, wow,you seem different.
Gosh, you're always in such agood mood.
Oh, I love your positive energy.
And I love that I walk around inthe world now a very different
human than I was five years ago.
Tracie (15:28):
Beautiful.
Jana (15:29):
Yeah,
Tracie (15:30):
I love that.
I love that.
And that story is not, nooffense, that story is not
unique.
Oh, no.
Absolutely gone.
I know.
I'm kidding about the, nooffense kidding.
Not kidding.
Because it's an we.
We get it.
Because we've helped people andourselves transform.
I was telling someone the otherday, I was like, oh yeah, when I
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was in corporate, I was asarcastic bitch and people
looked at me going.
What?
Jana (15:57):
Yeah.
I can't imagine.
Tracie (15:59):
And there's still little humor tendencies in there that
that lean into that persona.
But it's because I wasn'tconscious.
I wasn't thinking about.
How I was showing up in theworld.
I wasn't thinking about what Ineeded to be my best self.
I wasn't thinking about how tosupport other people wherever
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they were at.
With whatever it is that they'regoing through or that I don't
even know about.
Yeah, so The idea that, or thethings that you go through as
you're learning to become acoach and really any kind of
coach in the sense that ourlives are intertwined with
everything that we do.
You started off as a life coach.
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I started off as a health coachand moved into life, but clearly
your health and your life areheavily intertwined and the
questions are still the same.
What do you want?
Why do you want it?
How can you become the personwho you imagine has that, like
all of those questions.
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So I love that.
And Jan, I wanna say also thatwhen you and I first talked
about how you work with peopleas a organizer before you became
a life coach in profession, thatyou were already doing that work
as an organizer.
And I really was drawn to thatin our conversation because.
A lot of I don't wanna say thisas a stereotype, because I don't
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know probably any other homeorganizers as well as I know
you, but I know several and havemet several.
And the impression that I get isvery there's a lot of detail
oriented and all of that kindastuff, but I never heard anyone
else talk about how you wannahelp the person understand
themselves.
As much as you shared with mewhen we first met.
(17:46):
So I wanna acknowledge you forthat because clearly you were
already on that path and youjust didn't know it yet.
Jana (17:53):
I did not know it.
I didn't and it's been, it isreally been beautiful.
And I don't.
It's crazy to me, Tracie, thatit's ended up this way.
I don't know if I mentioned thisto you before or not, but I had
a memory popped into my head.
It's funny when you think ofthings.
I was in the shower and all of asudden I remembered, oh my gosh.
I remember in high schooltelling my counselor that I
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wanted to grow up to be acounselor.
A kid's counselor.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
And then I thought to myself no,that's too emotional.
I don't think I can handle that.
And I didn't, I don't think Iever really thought about it
again.
Because I, but maybe I wasn'tready, I told my mom not long
ago, we were talking about.
The coaching piece.
And she's of course super happyfor me and loves the human that
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I've become growing in theprocess.
But I said to her, gosh, I just,I wish I would've done this a
long time ago.
And she said, sweetheart, you'redoing it exactly when you're
supposed to be doing it becauseeverything you did before led
you up to this, to this momentin this time.
And it's so true.
I have there's so much as older.
Women that we have to reflecton, the things that we've gone
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through in life, success orfailure.
They don't define us.
They're just part of the fabricof who we become in the process.
Tracie (19:08):
A hundred percent.
A hundred percent.
Yeah.
I say the same thing to myself,to clients, to teaching
workshops that whatever, youbecome the person.
There's a phrase, somethingabout what you go through.
In any case, we've all beenthrough some stuff.
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And there's been a lot of goodand there's been some bad.
And the collective has beenthrough the pandemic and we've
all had things other than that,that have shaped who we become.
I a hundred percent agree withthat.
And I wouldn't, as much as lossis a part of that.
And unmet expectations is myfavorite phrase.
'cause that's really covers allof it.
It covers loss, it covers thepandemic, it covers job changes
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and friends changing, and all ofthose things.
We've all had unmetexpectations, and every single
one of those has created who weare today.
And if we like that, we can keepgoing in the same way, but if we
feel like we're becomingsomeone.
More and we want to changesomething, we get to turn in
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that direction and start tofigure out what else we don't
know.
Jana (20:18):
And you and I know this, the reason I, the reason you do
coaching also a different kind,but the reason I do this kind of
coaching is there are so manypeople walking around in the
world who don't know that theycan change it.
Tracie (20:33):
Absolutely
Jana (20:34):
right.
They're just I refer to themovie Groundhog Day all the
time.
Yep.
That's how I felt.
I was living my life.
I was just getting up doing thesame thing.
You go to work, you do, you makeyour dinner, you go get
groceries, get the kids readyoff to school, whatever your
thing is.
Yeah.
And you just go to bed and getup and do it again the next day.
We spend more time planning aweekend event than we do the
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rest of our lives.
Yeah.
Ooh, that's good.
It's beautiful to have anopportunity to help people
uncover the stuff that's inthere that they've just pushed
down.
And I can relate to that becauseI had pushed down a lot.
Like you said, we've all had ourthings in life.
I had some bad things happen tome.
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I, and then it's the mindsetaround, oh, you were adopted.
What does that mean for you?
Or any sort of, personalviolation you may have had with
a friend or a family member.
There's so many things thatpeople have experienced that are
buried deep in that chest.
And for many years I was afraidof.
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Part of why I was afraid of lifecoaching or therapy of any type
is because that meant I had toopen the box right and let those
experiences bubble up.
And I was very much the personwho would just push it down and
push it down and push it down.
But my coach Lauren alwaysshares an analogy I think she
got from ano, her coach MaryMorrissey, but about you can
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only hold a beach ballunderwater for so long.
Eventually it's just gonnaburst.
It's just gonna fly out of thewater.
Out of control
Tracie (22:05):
and out of control.
In very uncontrolled manner.
Jana (22:08):
Exactly.
Exactly.
Being able to help people dealwith that stuff, and it's baby
steps.
Yeah.
Baby steps.
Tracie (22:15):
It is.
And I think also that, for me,part of my story is my first
husband passing away, and Ithink a lot of us also feel
like.
We have this story, but no one'sgonna understand.
They're not gonna be able torelate to it.
And I wasn't shy of tellingpeople what happened to me, but
I, especially in business, likeI never used that story in
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telling people how I became thisperson because I didn't think
anyone would be able to relateto it.
I don't, didn't know anyone elsewho lost their husband to
cancer.
At my age with two little kids,you know that story.
And of course I've come acrossmany stories now, but you think
no one else has gone throughwhat you've gone through to
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become the person you are.
And what's great is when youfinally realize that A, so for
me, grief is the allencompassing word, but really
it's again about unmetexpectations.
What we don't realize is thatevery single person has unmet
expectations.
And now that we've had thepandemic.
It's something that literallyevery person on the pan on the
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planet had.
Not knowing lots of not knowing,we'll just leave it at that.
Not knowing lots of things.
And so now we can all relate tothat and we can all relate to
other things that we didn'tknow.
Like that my husband was gonnadie, that my mom was gonna pass
at 51, that x, that Y, that Zand whatever it is that other
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people have gone through.
But the.
The how you come out the otherside, the resilience that's
needed, and the understanding ofyour own emotions and all of
that.
Those are the things that arewhat tie us together.
Regard.
It doesn't have to be the sameexperience because the resulting
growth or resistance is whatties us all together and we can
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all relate to that.
Jana (24:05):
Yeah.
Yep.
Yeah, you couldn't have said itany better.
Tracie (24:11):
That is a fact.
Okay, so
Jana (24:14):
cell phones.
Tracie (24:15):
Sorry.
I know, I guess just got a callfrom Elaine.
I didn't,
Jana (24:18):
I neglected to mute.
Tracie (24:21):
Oh, I didn't hear it
Jana (24:22):
muted now.
Tracie (24:23):
Alright, edit.
Jana (24:25):
We'll cut that part.
Tracie (24:26):
Yeah, we'll get that part.
It's all good.
Okay.
So how has it been now thatyou've become Jana, your true
North Life coach and you stillhave some some organizing
clients as well as youtransition, not even transition,
but blend the two together andleverage the two for probably
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all the people that you meet.
I would imagine you're alwaysthinking this would help them,
that would help them both sidesof the same coin, for lack of a
better.
Terms.
So how has it been since you'vebrought in life coaching to your
work and give us an update.
It is absolutely fun.
So my, my thing now is justtrying to get in front of as
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many people as I can.
And share the the DreamBuilderprogram and what that looks like
and build some group coaching.
So one-on-one is the.
One-on-one coaching is importantto my business, but I would love
to do group coaching.
(25:29):
Yeah.
So I love one-on-one becauseit's good for people who are
scared of coaching.
But on the flip side, groupcoaching is also, I.
It depends on the person.
Yeah.
Some people really like thatone-on-one connection because
they feel ashamed.
Yeah.
And so they, that's why theymight not wanna do a group.
A group.
I personally look forward togroup because when I was in
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group coaching, I realized I.
Everyone there.
It's collaborative.
People learn from everybodyelse's questions.
And like you just said, youthought you were the only one
who had experienced what youexperienced.
And when that other square onthe screen asks the question,
you're like, oh my God, that'sexactly what I would've asked.
And it's just, it's beautiful towatch and it builds such a
(26:14):
community.
Running the Gather community.
That's right.
What it's like to bringlike-minded people together.
Everyone may have differentstruggles that they've been
through, but that underlying howdo I deal with it is the same.
I.
No matter which piece it is likethe DreamBuilder program, like I
mentioned, the four quadrantsthat we work in.
(26:36):
Yeah.
So one of the exercises I doduring the workshop is we go
through and talk about eachquadrant.
So that was love andrelationships, health and
wellbeing your vocation or workin this world, and time and
money freedom, and you kindarate where you're at.
In each.
And then you do a little minivision for each of what would I
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love if I had a magic wand and Icould do anything?
What would I love in my healthand wellness?
What would I love in my time andmoney freedom?
And after we do that exerciseit's interesting because you can
feel where you have the mostlonging.
The most discontent.
The most disconnect.
(27:19):
And then I encourage my, myclients to really pick one to
focus on.
And then we can dig deeper if wechoose to work together, if it
makes sense to work togetherlonger term, we can really dig
into that one area.
Yeah.
But the principles that theylearn for dream building,
they're gonna, it's gonna be rerepeated in that next quadrant.
(27:39):
So like, when you get and you'renever really done, like I
started on health and wellnessand I'm still.
Circling back to that quadrantbecause there's still work to be
done.
Yeah.
There's no such thing asperfection and we're not done
till we're dead.
Absolutely.
And we come to it with a newsense of awareness.
Yeah.
You're a new person.
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Every, like in the
Jana (28:01):
beginning when you're new, you're scratching the surface
and then there's this new levelof understanding and awareness
of how it works.
That changes everything.
Anyway, I love going throughthat process, but.
I want to also share the thingthat I would encourage everyone
that is the foundation oftransformation and the thing
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that has changed my life themost, and probably why it's my
free giveaway on my website, butit's implementing a morning
routine.
Tracie (28:32):
Oh yeah.
Okay,
Jana (28:33):
good.
'cause all the things that weare teaching as coaches
gratitude, what would I love?
What would that look like?
Knowledge, growing and learningand absorbing more.
All of the things that areimportant can happen during that
morning routine.
Tracie (28:49):
Yep.
Jana (28:50):
A little quiet time.
A little journaling, a littlegratitude.
Even if someone just takes.
Two to five minutes just tostart the practice.
So five years ago I would'vetold you, oh, I am not a morning
person.
I hate mornings.
Don't even talk to me before 10o'clock.
Now I'm up at six or six 30 andmy morning time is sacred to me,
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and it's sacred because it givesme the space to implement the
tools that are actually.
Making me walk around in theworld as a better person.
Yeah, I can listen to a guidedmeditation if I'm getting ready
for something like in a, if Ifeel like I need, more
confidence.
I can listen to a meditationabout, who I am in the world.
(29:35):
If I, whatever I wanna do,there's something that I can tap
into to refocus me.
So my morning routine started astwo to five minutes if and when
I could to.
Every morning I spent 10minutes.
Now I'm probably a good hour.
Into my morning routine.
Tracie (29:52):
Wow.
Jana (29:53):
It's sacred.
It's sacred.
And I literally, Tracie walk outinto the backyard, weather
permitting, put my bare feet inthe grass and greet the
sunshine.
Tracie (30:02):
Yes.
Jana (30:03):
Every morning I possibly can.
And it is an, and it sounds sofive years ago, I'm like, that
is so woo today.
It is now.
Wow.
Tracie (30:11):
Oh, it's so good.
It's so good.
Okay, I have a question.
Yes.
You mentioned listening to aguided meditation.
What, where do you get yourmeditations?
Jana (30:20):
So the meditations that I listen to are all provided by my
coach Lauren, and accessiblethrough me.
Okay.
'cause there's so manymeditations.
There are the things that youcan download.
I've tried a few others.
The voices really sometimesdon't work for me.
And to be, yeah, you gotta findone
Tracie (30:40):
that works for you.
Jana (30:40):
So Lauren as my coach, she's like my mentor in my muse,
and I find her just comforting.
Tracie (30:46):
Yeah.
Jana (30:46):
So I probably listen to her.
Once or twice a day.
Tracie (30:50):
Yeah.
Oh, that's great.
I don't know if she knows thatI'm not really stalking her.
And I've done that before.
Obviously, I've been workingwith Katerina Rando for a number
of years and she has hadmeditations and things to send
out over the years.
They're probably even still,they might even still be on her
links page, but but I'vereceived those from her before.
And there is something abouthaving your coach and mentor be
(31:13):
the voice that you're listeningto.
Even in a one way thing.
Because you know that they getyou and so you're listening as
if it's specifically for you.
Jana (31:23):
Yes.
Tracie (31:23):
And as opposed to something that's more consumer,
oriented on Insight timer or onCalm or whatever.
I will share, I personally useHeadspace because the guy who
founded Headspace, Andy, he isAustralian and he is got a great
accent.
Jana (31:37):
We like that, do we?
Tracie (31:38):
And he's well, and he's just really interested.
I, knowing his story, I willjust briefly share that he was a
tech guy who became a monk.
And like tech guy, I grew up inSilicon Valley mostly, even
though I moved around severalplaces in Silicon Valley, this
is, that was my home and thatwas my origin.
Knowing that I don't wanna saytech bro, because that wasn't
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from when he was there, but likethe idea of someone who's in
that kind of high achieving,fast-paced world of corporate
life in the South Bay where Igrew up.
To be able to say that can leadyou.
To full kind of calm, even ifthat's where you started, you
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can get to where he is.
Which is a calm, enlightened,open, space.
So I think that's why I likethat.
I do the accent.
I can't lie.
Jana (32:31):
Yeah.
I think meditation
Tracie (32:32):
and then have a number of people too, but
Jana (32:33):
me some sort of meditation and gratitude is just,
Tracie (32:37):
yeah.
Jana (32:37):
It's a no brainer.
Tracie (32:38):
And you mentioned going out and putting your feet in the
ground and greeting the sun.
And I think that, and that'ssomething that I have a
challenge with myself.
My yard, my fam, my lifesituation here at this house, I
have a challenge with that.
I don't have an overhang, so ifit is anything but sunny, I'm
not out there.
(32:58):
If it's get a dog, I have grassand I have a dog, and I don't
really have grass, I have, oh,you have a dog?
Oh yeah.
Oh, and they don't need to goout and walk.
Oh, that's right.
You do have a big dog door.
Oh, gotcha.
She's self-sufficient just likeme.
Got.
We're very much alike.
But and there's also like stuffgoing, there's plants that need
to be planned, like there'sclutter out there'cause it's
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like a yard in progress all thetime.
And so it doesn't serve me.
So what I can do, just like usas humans Absolutely work in
progress.
What I can do is I can openthese windows.
And my plants that I haven'tkilled, I'm so happy for them.
I can open these windows andjust look out and look, yes, I'm
looking across the lower roof,but also to the palm tree and
the oak tree and the redwoodtree, and try to, and get the
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sunlight through there so Idon't get the ground, the feet
in the ground.
But I absolutely.
Value the fact that I havesunlight and and if I, if it's
not too cold, I'll open thewindow.
And so sunlight and air, atleast two outta three ain't bad.
Jana (33:57):
Yes.
Tracie (33:58):
Because it is we're, we're not designed as humans.
To live in a box.
Jana (34:02):
And now that I think now that we're working at home, more
absolute many people are justthis, we're on screen all the
time.
Yeah.
So the more we can disconnectand get away from technology.
Like I, when I go for walks,that's often when I'm listen to
meditations is when I'm walking.
Okay.
(34:23):
And if I'm not, I will walkwithout my phone.
Just because it gives me time insilence, and that's part of my
morning routine.
The first 15 minutes is silence.
Tracie (34:35):
Yeah.
Yeah,
Jana (34:36):
that's good.
Don't touch anything.
Don't talk to anyone.
Just sit in silence.
And something new I learned wasto, when you first wake up,
smile, just smiling, changesyour physiology.
Tracie (34:50):
Mel Robbins would say, and go give yourself a high five
in the mirror.
Heck yeah.
Alright my friend.
I love this.
Oh, there was something else Iwas gonna ask you.
We talked about your move fromyour former career to your, your
organizing business to your lifecoaching business, you're
(35:11):
talking about moving from theprimarily one-on-one coaching,
moving into group coaching.
What do you see have youimagined, I know you have your
third philosophy going on sowhat does that look like?
What do you see for, the nextwhatever time period you wanna
choose, but what's ahead?
Jana (35:33):
So what is ahead for me is focusing solely on your true
North Life coaching.
And the organizing piece willalways be there because that is
it's my differentdifferentiator, excuse me,
Tracie (35:49):
school for your true north.
Jana (35:52):
Yeah, exactly.
A bonus, an add-on.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because the connection betweenour physical space and our
mental and our heart space isreally important.
So as I'm coaching peoplethrough whatever program they
end up doing with me I want tobe able to offer them some tools
to support them at home.
(36:12):
Yeah.
Because I'm a big believer thatwhile I'm talking to people on a
screen, what really matters iswhen they close the lid and turn
around and walk out into theirhome, that it is supportive and
conducive to all the other goalsand dreams and things they're
trying to accomplish in theirlife.
Yeah.
So back to what's ahead For me,it's going to be as much
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speaking and doing workshops aspossible, just getting the word
out there and serving my lifecoaching clients.
And then my big vision in my, soI do, I'm a dream builder client
still.
So I still have coaching and thesame thing that I now coach
people on.
I don't because we're neverdone.
But in my vision at the end ofthe year.
(36:58):
I'm standing in the middle of afoyer of a tropical hotel.
I haven't figured out where itis yet, but I'm standing there
and I'm just.
Basking in the beauty and thejoy of watching my students and
all the other coaches I'vecollaborated with come together
in a beautiful retreat in atropical place and just
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celebrating our growth andloving this world and.
Bringing light and spreadinglight.
So that's my vision.
So it'll be workshops, coachingretreats.
And the beauty of it is I can doit from anywhere in the world.
So I hope to just travel as muchas possible when my husband
retires, which I hope is as soonas possible.
Tracie (37:44):
Awesome.
So that's my vision.
And I love, that's beautiful andI love that your retreat vision
includes not only you and yourretreaters, but also other
coaches.
And their retreaters and yourwhole collaborative effort.
And I think that is the benefitof, being part of a program that
is a widespread program, veryrespected and highly known, and
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all of those things.
So congratulations to you on,on.
Joining up with this othercommunity of people who are all
serving their people in the sameway, so that you do have that
ability.
And because I can tell you aswith the gather community,
there's nothing like it.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Having the people that you can,you can call upon to support,
(38:29):
but also to just be together.
And be on the same page and kindof be in that same vibe, that
whole woo vibe.
Everyone.
Everyone's in the same place.
Jana (38:40):
We'll wow.
Together.
Tracie (38:42):
Yeah.
I love it.
It's amazing.
And I see the palm tree in thelobby, so Yes.
We'll just say that.
I don't know where it is either,but I see the palm tree.
Jana (38:51):
Awesome.
I love being part of thecommunity and I love the
collaborative mindset becausethere's a gazillion.
Types of coaches out there, butas a transformational life
coach, it we're really lookingat a broader picture.
Yeah.
And while we'll focus on onearea, I know in this work there
are people who need.
More than I can give them on aspecific thing, whether it's
(39:15):
grief or weight loss or whateverthat thing is.
And having my gather community,my community of other coaches
that I can collaborate with andpeople I know I can trust.
Yeah.
Who I can refer my clients to,to have extra support.
I have four or five coaches, andI'm a coach, so there, there are
(39:37):
not too many coaches in thisworld.
Tracie (39:39):
Absolutely.
Yeah.
There's a lot of us, but we'reall absolutely unique
Jana (39:43):
and, but there are so many more Tracie, who.
Don't have coaches.
Absolute who absolutely willnever, ever, who have not
learned the things that we knowand that we're able to share.
It's shocking.
If you think about thepopulation,
Tracie (39:57):
oh yeah,
Jana (39:58):
there's a lot of us, but there's still not enough.
Tracie (40:00):
Yeah there's still not enough and there's still that,
and that's why there's nocompetition and my mind.
Amen.
Because, amen.
There's still, plenty of peopleout there.
Everyone needs support.
And whether that is byunderstanding that you have
hired a coach, right?
Or that you're in a community ofother people who are empathetic
(40:21):
and understanding and can't, andjust give you the support that
you need.
Professional coaching.
Yes.
And also community.
Because that's at least a start.
Jana (40:33):
We have to invest in ourselves for sure.
Tracie (40:35):
Absolutely.
This has been amazing and I lovewhere our direction took us to
seeing your big vision for thefuture and what is.
On the horizon as you look atyour true North.
So I'm very thrilled to have youhere on the podcast.
I wanna thank you and I want toencourage everyone out there to
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check out Jana's information,connect with her.
Help her reach her goal ofreaching more people.
If you know somewhere that islooking for a speaker like Jana,
please reach out to her.
And that is, I think one of thebiggest gifts we can give
someone who wants to speak is,do you have a group who would
enjoy me as a speaker?
(41:19):
You as a speaker introduce us,tell us you know, how we can
help.
Because that's our mission is toshare.
Yes.
Awesome.
Jana, thank you again and thankyou.
Thank you for being on the Boldand Brilliant podcast.
Jana (41:34):
My pleasure.
Are you ready to take boldaction and live a life of
brilliance?
Welcome to the Bold andBrilliant Podcast, where women
leaders share inspiring storiesabout daring decisions that
shape their businesses.
Their lives and their careers.
Today, I'm with the fabulous andamazing Jana Lane.
(00:22):
She is your true North Lifecoach because regardless of how
your life is right now, with theright knowledge, tools, and
skills, along with the properstructure of support, Jana
believes you absolutely canbreak free and find a whole new
level of fulfillment.
Now.
(00:43):
As we talk, you'll hear Janashare her journey of
entrepreneurship, including onebold decision that has created
her path of what was next.
Her story of resilience,risk-taking, and transformation
will inspire, encourage, andsupport your personal and
professional growth.
Please join me in welcoming Janato the Bold and brilliant
(01:04):
podcast.
Tracie (01:07):
I'm so excited.
Jana, welcome to the podcast.
I'm so glad you're here.
Jana (01:12):
Thank you, Tracie.
I'm excited to be here too.
Yay.
Tracie (01:16):
We've had a chance to have a number of conversations
in these last few months as ourworlds have finally officially
intersected.
We've been peri on the peripherytogether for a while, and I'm so
glad that you're hanging outwith us in the gather community
as a creator.
And of course, we are in otherorganizations together where we
(01:37):
get to run into each other everynow and then.
So I'm thrilled that you'rehere.
To talk about, what you do, yourstory, the things that have,
made it made.
The things that have made yourlife become what it's become
because it is a pretty darn goodlife.
Jana (01:55):
It is.
Tracie (01:56):
So let's talk about it.
Tell me, I, we can see on thescreen it says, Jana, your True
North Life coach, but that's notwhere you started.
No.
So tell us a little bit abouthow you got going as a grownup
in the business world, and thenwe'll talk about what bold
decisions you made to get towhere you are today.
(02:19):
So how about some background?
Jana (02:20):
Ooh, background.
I am a young woman.
I'm a young, 60-year-old woman,and I'm wearing it proudly.
Yay.
I have decided that my third ofmy life is going to be my best
third.
Absolutely.
And I've had I've had a, I'vehad a really good, interesting
life.
I'll share some personal things.
(02:41):
If I might just start.
I was adopted when I was ninemonths old and grew up in a
military family.
So I had the pleasure of movinga lot as a kid.
I was preparing for apresentation at some point in
one of my prior careers.
And I mapped out the UnitedStates and all the places I'd
been, and then I was like, oh mygosh.
So I started counting all thetimes I'd moved, and even when I
(03:04):
moved out as a young adult, Ikept moving.
I moved 27 times.
Tracie in 32 years.
Isn't that nuts?
Tracie (03:13):
That is a lot.
And it's understandable.
Everyone knows that militaryfamilies move a lot and that
military kids go from school toschool to school.
And learn certain life skillsand coping mechanisms.
Both as a result of that.
But that is.
That is a lot.
Jana (03:30):
That's a lot.
It's interesting because I, whenI think of my brother and I who
raised by the same parents inthe same household, right?
Doing the same things, how, twopeople in the same circumstances
can have completely differentlives and modalities in the
world and ways of living in thisworld.
So that's interesting to reflecton back knowing what I know now,
(03:54):
of course, didn't know it then.
So that was a fun way to growup.
And my first career was inretail.
I did that for about 18 yearsand worked my way into from
sales floor to management.
Then I got into the mortgagebusiness.
And just had a really fun life.
I moved to Pacifica, Californiafor work where I met my hus, my
(04:15):
now husband, and we've beentogether over 30 years, Tracie.
So I went from moving 27 timesto being in the same house for
30 years.
Tracie (04:26):
You must love it there and thank you.
Yeah.
Isn't that interesting?
27 times in 30 years and now.
And that was it.
One
Jana (04:34):
place.
Yeah.
And then you're done.
Yeah.
It's bizarre.
So now I just travel instead tofill that, to fill the void.
Tracie (04:40):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I love that.
It, it's interesting, I the,your comment about two people
raising the same household, Ithink that's like really common
sibling story as well.
My younger sister also is.
Really wants to stay in the sameplace.
Very not, I wouldn't say set inher ways per se, but we
(05:01):
definitely have differentattitudes about change.
And I am very like, when's yourbirthday?
Jana (05:08):
September 8th.
I am eighth.
Virgo.
Tracie (05:10):
Virgo.
Okay.
I was gonna say I am aSagittarius and one of our
hallmarks is adventurer.
So I very much identify withthat.
Because I also, I didn't move 27times.
I could count it.
It's probably gonna be a dozen,maybe by the time I was 25 ish.
(05:31):
That's still a lot.
Which is still a lot.
I went to five elementaryschools.
Most of that was elementaryschool, and then same place for
like middle school and highschool.
And then at that point I was onmy own decisions and started
moving again.
Because my mom was a Capricornand didn't have.
After my parents split, shedidn't have that interest or
(05:51):
really the means to do any kindof movie.
And I think that's just wasn'ther way.
She had been a stay-at-home momdidn't have a job until my
parents split and had to gofigure out how to be a working
woman as a single parent.
Jana (06:03):
Yep.
Tracie (06:04):
But I was always like, where can I go?
What can I do?
Go and
Jana (06:07):
yeah.
Love it.
Sister.
I remember we moved, I thinktwice during my fifth grade
year, and I've always blamedthat on why I, to this day do
not know my multiplicationtables.
Tracie (06:18):
You hadn't done'em yet in the first place and they had
already finished them in secondplace.
Jana (06:22):
Bless my dad's heart.
He was trying, and the camperswere moving across country
trying with those flashcards toteach me math and it just.
Tracie (06:30):
Oh, that's so funny.
Yeah.
Not my husband has similarstories in math.
Yeah.
My husband has a similar story.
Not so much with math'cause heis an engineer, but with other
like school things like fifthgrade science camp that most
kids go through, it's a kind ofa rite of passage to go.
You probably didn't get it, didyou?
Jana (06:48):
Nope, I didn't do any summer camps or whatever they
were called.
All the kids had those littlethings they made with their camp
name on it.
Yes.
Never had one.
Oh.
Tracie (06:58):
Yeah.
Jana (06:58):
Okay.
Tracie (06:59):
Yeah, it's, my husband has a similar story.
He had moved somewhere and thatschool had already left, and
when he moved to this otherschool.
Yep.
Yeah, same thing.
Jana (07:07):
You miss a lot, but you gain a lot.
I wouldn't change it for theworld.
I absolutely love the way I grewup.
Tracie (07:12):
I love it.
And then, so you talked aboutbeing in retail, moving into
mortgage, and clearly that's notwhat you're doing now.
True North Life, coach, woman.
So tell us, I, I think thatwe're at the point where we're
talking about you were staying,you were living in the same
place, married to the same man,and you decided that you wanted
to just do something different.
(07:33):
Tell us like why and how you gotto that point where you decided
to make this bold decision thatwas gonna completely change how
you spend your days.
Jana (07:44):
It's such a fun question to reflect on.
I think there was a definingmoment that I didn't realize was
a defining moment.
It was something that actuallycame to me just yesterday,
Tracie.
I, in about 2018, I decided tosign up for life coaching.
Tracie (08:07):
For your own, like to have a coach?
Jana (08:09):
Yeah, I was, yeah.
I hired a life coach.
Yeah.
And when I did it, it was, Ifelt very moved by, by the coach
and the when she was speakingand by the words that she had
said at some event where I mether and I thought, I would love,
I was very happy I was in mymortgage career thought that I
was super happy, I was makinggreat money and.
(08:33):
Yet.
And I wanted more personally.
So when I started working withLauren, it was for personal
reasons.
I wanted to be a littlehealthier and I wanted to work
on my relationship with myhusband as a wife to make sure I
was being a good wife to himbecause he's an amazing husband.
(08:55):
I won the husband jackpot.
That's so sweet.
Like any relationship,especially when you're together
for many years, there's ups anddowns and so I just wanted to be
a better wife to him and be abetter steward of my physical
body and take care of my body.
So that was how this whole thingstarted.
(09:15):
So I, I did a little bit of lifecoaching and so it's 2018.
Fast forward.
In the mortgage business.
We had the pandemic came andthen the lockdown.
And while many people were outof work in the mortgage
business, we were bombarded withwork because the interest rates
were so low during that time.
Tracie (09:36):
Sure.
Jana (09:36):
So I spent, a couple years really just nose to the computer
and I became a paper pusher.
And I didn't really realize it,but when.
Things started to open up againin 22, and it was time to go
back out in the world.
I didn't want to, I didn't wannakeep doing what I was doing, and
(09:59):
I didn't know what the heck Iwanted to do, but I knew I was
done like the mortgage career.
I was like I've taken thisjourney as far as I can.
I'm personally not happyanymore.
And I had gone in and out of thecoaching with Lauren my life
coach.
And so it was interestingbecause when I left the mortgage
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business, and I know we'vetalked about this before, like
the very next day, after my lastday in the business, I got an
invitation to go to.
A dream builder workshop, whichis what, how I met Lauren in the
first place.
And it was just beautiful thatfell in my lap.
So I had the opportunity to do alittle dream building and that
(10:41):
the program that I attended is.
And I'll get back.
It's what I ended up now beingcertified to teach.
And in that moment, I had noidea that was gonna happen.
So I went to the workshop.
I spent two days dream building,decided that I was going to
start a home organizingbusiness, and that is what I
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did.
And so I reengaged with Laurenas my business coach.
So she does did coaching forcoaches.
And that came with the lifecoaching piece as well.
So for the couple, first coupleof years I was working with her,
building my organizing business.
I was experiencing the trainingof having the life coach.
(11:24):
And what's beautiful about theprogram that, that I studied and
teach is we work with fourquadrants of life.
So we really focus on, not onlyour vocation and our work in
this world, but also time andmoney.
Freedom, health and wellness andlove and relationships.
Yeah.
So it was a nice well-roundedexperience and I think having
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that teaching while I wasworking with my clients it
naturally just merged for methat.
While I love organizing, I, andI'm fanatic about it.
I'm the per, I'm the kid thatcomes home and organizes my
parents' pantry even though theydidn't ask me to.
Yeah.
A little, and, a little annoyingto them, but it always looks
better when I leave, so I feelgood.
Tracie (12:10):
And maybe there's some expired things that can go away.
Jana (12:13):
Always.
I, yeah, A disorganization justmakes my brain hurt.
So if I have an opportunity toget in there and do it, I will.
Anyway, that was so funny.
I totally lost track of where Iwas going.
As I was working with myorganizing clients, I realized
that the.
The internal transformation thatthey were having from the work
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that we were doing and theconversations that we were
having was really the part thatlit me up because as an
organizer, I, one of the, mypillars when I founded that
business is I don't work forpeople.
I'm not going into fix it foryou.
I want to go in there and reallyhelp you understand why you're
doing what you're doing and helpyou create systems and tools.
(12:58):
To support you when we're doneso that the best day of my job
with you is the day you don'tneed me anymore.
You can do this now, fly, befree, right?
And I've worked with somebeautiful clients who have
taught me so much, and I've seenso much growth and change in
them.
It's been a really beautifulexperience.
And it, there was just a pointwhere, and I don't even, I
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couldn't even pinpoint it, butthere was a point where I
realized, holy moly, I actuallywanna be a life coach.
Like here, I'm a home organizer.
Guest
Tracie (13:29):
evolution.
Jana (13:29):
Yeah.
And I love it, but I'm like,okay, I want to be a life coach.
Wow.
Okay.
That's.
Really scary.
Really scary.
Why
Tracie (13:39):
is it scary?
Jana (13:40):
You know what?
I think part of why it was scaryto me was my own mindset around
what a life coach is.
Tracie (13:46):
Okay.
Jana (13:46):
So a lot of people didn't know I had a life coach.
It was something I did in secretbecause.
It's
Tracie (13:53):
it's very personal.
It can be very personal.
Jana (13:55):
It can be very personal.
But I also had a mindset aroundwhat I thought it meant.
Like the, oh, the spiritualityand yeah, I, it's oh, only those
crazy, and I know this term hascome up in other podcasts of
yours, but only woo people dothat kind of stuff.
Stuff.
I've realized woo is just, wow.
Wow.
Woo.
Tracie (14:16):
I like
Jana (14:16):
it.
Yeah, it is.
It's amazing.
And it's, I think woo is reallyjust our mindset of what we
think it means.
Because the reality is, and Iheard Lisa talking about this in
your podcast with her it'sscientific.
It, these are rules.
Exactly.
These are universal laws.
The, just the way it all works.
Yeah.
Everything is connected.
Tracie (14:36):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's universal laws in the waythings are connected, but it's
also, there's also the scienceunderneath.
The thought processes.
You have how your neurologyfunctions.
And it's a whole body situation.
It's not just something you'reimagining.
Jana (14:52):
Absolutely.
So I've learned I've learnedthat being in the place of
understanding It's it's easierto live my life every day.
Like my new knowledge, my newskillset that I've gained since
I started life coaching as astudent.
It's just, it's beautiful.
(15:13):
It's almost effortless.
And people have said to me, wow,you seem different.
Gosh, you're always in such agood mood.
Oh, I love your positive energy.
And I love that I walk around inthe world now a very different
human than I was five years ago.
Tracie (15:28):
Beautiful.
Jana (15:29):
Yeah,
Tracie (15:30):
I love that.
I love that.
And that story is not, nooffense, that story is not
unique.
Oh, no.
Absolutely gone.
I know.
I'm kidding about the, nooffense kidding.
Not kidding.
Because it's an we.
We get it.
Because we've helped people andourselves transform.
I was telling someone the otherday, I was like, oh yeah, when I
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was in corporate, I was asarcastic bitch and people
looked at me going.
What?
Jana (15:57):
Yeah.
I can't imagine.
Tracie (15:59):
And there's still little humor tendencies in there that
that lean into that persona.
But it's because I wasn'tconscious.
I wasn't thinking about.
How I was showing up in theworld.
I wasn't thinking about what Ineeded to be my best self.
I wasn't thinking about how tosupport other people wherever
(16:21):
they were at.
With whatever it is that they'regoing through or that I don't
even know about.
Yeah, so The idea that, or thethings that you go through as
you're learning to become acoach and really any kind of
coach in the sense that ourlives are intertwined with
everything that we do.
You started off as a life coach.
(16:42):
I started off as a health coachand moved into life, but clearly
your health and your life areheavily intertwined and the
questions are still the same.
What do you want?
Why do you want it?
How can you become the personwho you imagine has that, like
all of those questions.
(17:02):
So I love that.
And Jan, I wanna say also thatwhen you and I first talked
about how you work with peopleas a organizer before you became
a life coach in profession, thatyou were already doing that work
as an organizer.
And I really was drawn to thatin our conversation because.
A lot of I don't wanna say thisas a stereotype, because I don't
(17:24):
know probably any other homeorganizers as well as I know
you, but I know several and havemet several.
And the impression that I get isvery there's a lot of detail
oriented and all of that kindastuff, but I never heard anyone
else talk about how you wannahelp the person understand
themselves.
As much as you shared with mewhen we first met.
(17:46):
So I wanna acknowledge you forthat because clearly you were
already on that path and youjust didn't know it yet.
Jana (17:53):
I did not know it.
I didn't and it's been, it isreally been beautiful.
And I don't.
It's crazy to me, Tracie, thatit's ended up this way.
I don't know if I mentioned thisto you before or not, but I had
a memory popped into my head.
It's funny when you think ofthings.
I was in the shower and all of asudden I remembered, oh my gosh.
I remember in high schooltelling my counselor that I
(18:14):
wanted to grow up to be acounselor.
A kid's counselor.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
And then I thought to myself no,that's too emotional.
I don't think I can handle that.
And I didn't, I don't think Iever really thought about it
again.
Because I, but maybe I wasn'tready, I told my mom not long
ago, we were talking about.
The coaching piece.
And she's of course super happyfor me and loves the human that
(18:37):
I've become growing in theprocess.
But I said to her, gosh, I just,I wish I would've done this a
long time ago.
And she said, sweetheart, you'redoing it exactly when you're
supposed to be doing it becauseeverything you did before led
you up to this, to this momentin this time.
And it's so true.
I have there's so much as older.
Women that we have to reflecton, the things that we've gone
(18:58):
through in life, success orfailure.
They don't define us.
They're just part of the fabricof who we become in the process.
Tracie (19:08):
A hundred percent.
A hundred percent.
Yeah.
I say the same thing to myself,to clients, to teaching
workshops that whatever, youbecome the person.
There's a phrase, somethingabout what you go through.
In any case, we've all beenthrough some stuff.
(19:28):
And there's been a lot of goodand there's been some bad.
And the collective has beenthrough the pandemic and we've
all had things other than that,that have shaped who we become.
I a hundred percent agree withthat.
And I wouldn't, as much as lossis a part of that.
And unmet expectations is myfavorite phrase.
'cause that's really covers allof it.
It covers loss, it covers thepandemic, it covers job changes
(19:51):
and friends changing, and all ofthose things.
We've all had unmetexpectations, and every single
one of those has created who weare today.
And if we like that, we can keepgoing in the same way, but if we
feel like we're becomingsomeone.
More and we want to changesomething, we get to turn in
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that direction and start tofigure out what else we don't
know.
Jana (20:18):
And you and I know this, the reason I, the reason you do
coaching also a different kind,but the reason I do this kind of
coaching is there are so manypeople walking around in the
world who don't know that theycan change it.
Tracie (20:33):
Absolutely
Jana (20:34):
right.
They're just I refer to themovie Groundhog Day all the
time.
Yep.
That's how I felt.
I was living my life.
I was just getting up doing thesame thing.
You go to work, you do, you makeyour dinner, you go get
groceries, get the kids readyoff to school, whatever your
thing is.
Yeah.
And you just go to bed and getup and do it again the next day.
We spend more time planning aweekend event than we do the
(20:55):
rest of our lives.
Yeah.
Ooh, that's good.
It's beautiful to have anopportunity to help people
uncover the stuff that's inthere that they've just pushed
down.
And I can relate to that becauseI had pushed down a lot.
Like you said, we've all had ourthings in life.
I had some bad things happen tome.
(21:16):
I, and then it's the mindsetaround, oh, you were adopted.
What does that mean for you?
Or any sort of, personalviolation you may have had with
a friend or a family member.
There's so many things thatpeople have experienced that are
buried deep in that chest.
And for many years I was afraidof.
(21:36):
Part of why I was afraid of lifecoaching or therapy of any type
is because that meant I had toopen the box right and let those
experiences bubble up.
And I was very much the personwho would just push it down and
push it down and push it down.
But my coach Lauren alwaysshares an analogy I think she
got from ano, her coach MaryMorrissey, but about you can
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only hold a beach ballunderwater for so long.
Eventually it's just gonnaburst.
It's just gonna fly out of thewater.
Out of control
Tracie (22:05):
and out of control.
In very uncontrolled manner.
Jana (22:08):
Exactly.
Exactly.
Being able to help people dealwith that stuff, and it's baby
steps.
Yeah.
Baby steps.
Tracie (22:15):
It is.
And I think also that, for me,part of my story is my first
husband passing away, and Ithink a lot of us also feel
like.
We have this story, but no one'sgonna understand.
They're not gonna be able torelate to it.
And I wasn't shy of tellingpeople what happened to me, but
I, especially in business, likeI never used that story in
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telling people how I became thisperson because I didn't think
anyone would be able to relateto it.
I don't, didn't know anyone elsewho lost their husband to
cancer.
At my age with two little kids,you know that story.
And of course I've come acrossmany stories now, but you think
no one else has gone throughwhat you've gone through to
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become the person you are.
And what's great is when youfinally realize that A, so for
me, grief is the allencompassing word, but really
it's again about unmetexpectations.
What we don't realize is thatevery single person has unmet
expectations.
And now that we've had thepandemic.
It's something that literallyevery person on the pan on the
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planet had.
Not knowing lots of not knowing,we'll just leave it at that.
Not knowing lots of things.
And so now we can all relate tothat and we can all relate to
other things that we didn'tknow.
Like that my husband was gonnadie, that my mom was gonna pass
at 51, that x, that Y, that Zand whatever it is that other
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people have gone through.
But the.
The how you come out the otherside, the resilience that's
needed, and the understanding ofyour own emotions and all of
that.
Those are the things that arewhat tie us together.
Regard.
It doesn't have to be the sameexperience because the resulting
growth or resistance is whatties us all together and we can
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all relate to that.
Jana (24:05):
Yeah.
Yep.
Yeah, you couldn't have said itany better.
Tracie (24:11):
That is a fact.
Okay, so
Jana (24:14):
cell phones.
Tracie (24:15):
Sorry.
I know, I guess just got a callfrom Elaine.
I didn't,
Jana (24:18):
I neglected to mute.
Tracie (24:21):
Oh, I didn't hear it
Jana (24:22):
muted now.
Tracie (24:23):
Alright, edit.
Jana (24:25):
We'll cut that part.
Tracie (24:26):
Yeah, we'll get that part.
It's all good.
Okay.
So how has it been now thatyou've become Jana, your true
North Life coach and you stillhave some some organizing
clients as well as youtransition, not even transition,
but blend the two together andleverage the two for probably
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all the people that you meet.
I would imagine you're alwaysthinking this would help them,
that would help them both sidesof the same coin, for lack of a
better.
Terms.
So how has it been since you'vebrought in life coaching to your
work and give us an update.
It is absolutely fun.
So my, my thing now is justtrying to get in front of as
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many people as I can.
And share the the DreamBuilderprogram and what that looks like
and build some group coaching.
So one-on-one is the.
One-on-one coaching is importantto my business, but I would love
to do group coaching.
(25:29):
Yeah.
So I love one-on-one becauseit's good for people who are
scared of coaching.
But on the flip side, groupcoaching is also, I.
It depends on the person.
Yeah.
Some people really like thatone-on-one connection because
they feel ashamed.
Yeah.
And so they, that's why theymight not wanna do a group.
A group.
I personally look forward togroup because when I was in
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group coaching, I realized I.
Everyone there.
It's collaborative.
People learn from everybodyelse's questions.
And like you just said, youthought you were the only one
who had experienced what youexperienced.
And when that other square onthe screen asks the question,
you're like, oh my God, that'sexactly what I would've asked.
And it's just, it's beautiful towatch and it builds such a
(26:14):
community.
Running the Gather community.
That's right.
What it's like to bringlike-minded people together.
Everyone may have differentstruggles that they've been
through, but that underlying howdo I deal with it is the same.
I.
No matter which piece it is likethe DreamBuilder program, like I
mentioned, the four quadrantsthat we work in.
(26:36):
Yeah.
So one of the exercises I doduring the workshop is we go
through and talk about eachquadrant.
So that was love andrelationships, health and
wellbeing your vocation or workin this world, and time and
money freedom, and you kindarate where you're at.
In each.
And then you do a little minivision for each of what would I
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love if I had a magic wand and Icould do anything?
What would I love in my healthand wellness?
What would I love in my time andmoney freedom?
And after we do that exerciseit's interesting because you can
feel where you have the mostlonging.
The most discontent.
The most disconnect.
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And then I encourage my, myclients to really pick one to
focus on.
And then we can dig deeper if wechoose to work together, if it
makes sense to work togetherlonger term, we can really dig
into that one area.
Yeah.
But the principles that theylearn for dream building,
they're gonna, it's gonna be rerepeated in that next quadrant.
(27:39):
So like, when you get and you'renever really done, like I
started on health and wellnessand I'm still.
Circling back to that quadrantbecause there's still work to be
done.
Yeah.
There's no such thing asperfection and we're not done
till we're dead.
Absolutely.
And we come to it with a newsense of awareness.
Yeah.
You're a new person.
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Every, like in the
Jana (28:01):
beginning when you're new, you're scratching the surface
and then there's this new levelof understanding and awareness
of how it works.
That changes everything.
Anyway, I love going throughthat process, but.
I want to also share the thingthat I would encourage everyone
that is the foundation oftransformation and the thing
(28:24):
that has changed my life themost, and probably why it's my
free giveaway on my website, butit's implementing a morning
routine.
Tracie (28:32):
Oh yeah.
Okay,
Jana (28:33):
good.
'cause all the things that weare teaching as coaches
gratitude, what would I love?
What would that look like?
Knowledge, growing and learningand absorbing more.
All of the things that areimportant can happen during that
morning routine.
Tracie (28:49):
Yep.
Jana (28:50):
A little quiet time.
A little journaling, a littlegratitude.
Even if someone just takes.
Two to five minutes just tostart the practice.
So five years ago I would'vetold you, oh, I am not a morning
person.
I hate mornings.
Don't even talk to me before 10o'clock.
Now I'm up at six or six 30 andmy morning time is sacred to me,
(29:14):
and it's sacred because it givesme the space to implement the
tools that are actually.
Making me walk around in theworld as a better person.
Yeah, I can listen to a guidedmeditation if I'm getting ready
for something like in a, if Ifeel like I need, more
confidence.
I can listen to a meditationabout, who I am in the world.
(29:35):
If I, whatever I wanna do,there's something that I can tap
into to refocus me.
So my morning routine started astwo to five minutes if and when
I could to.
Every morning I spent 10minutes.
Now I'm probably a good hour.
Into my morning routine.
Tracie (29:52):
Wow.
Jana (29:53):
It's sacred.
It's sacred.
And I literally, Tracie walk outinto the backyard, weather
permitting, put my bare feet inthe grass and greet the
sunshine.
Tracie (30:02):
Yes.
Jana (30:03):
Every morning I possibly can.
And it is an, and it sounds sofive years ago, I'm like, that
is so woo today.
It is now.
Wow.
Tracie (30:11):
Oh, it's so good.
It's so good.
Okay, I have a question.
Yes.
You mentioned listening to aguided meditation.
What, where do you get yourmeditations?
Jana (30:20):
So the meditations that I listen to are all provided by my
coach Lauren, and accessiblethrough me.
Okay.
'cause there's so manymeditations.
There are the things that youcan download.
I've tried a few others.
The voices really sometimesdon't work for me.
And to be, yeah, you gotta findone
Tracie (30:40):
that works for you.
Jana (30:40):
So Lauren as my coach, she's like my mentor in my muse,
and I find her just comforting.
Tracie (30:46):
Yeah.
Jana (30:46):
So I probably listen to her.
Once or twice a day.
Tracie (30:50):
Yeah.
Oh, that's great.
I don't know if she knows thatI'm not really stalking her.
And I've done that before.
Obviously, I've been workingwith Katerina Rando for a number
of years and she has hadmeditations and things to send
out over the years.
They're probably even still,they might even still be on her
links page, but but I'vereceived those from her before.
And there is something abouthaving your coach and mentor be
(31:13):
the voice that you're listeningto.
Even in a one way thing.
Because you know that they getyou and so you're listening as
if it's specifically for you.
Jana (31:23):
Yes.
Tracie (31:23):
And as opposed to something that's more consumer,
oriented on Insight timer or onCalm or whatever.
I will share, I personally useHeadspace because the guy who
founded Headspace, Andy, he isAustralian and he is got a great
accent.
Jana (31:37):
We like that, do we?
Tracie (31:38):
And he's well, and he's just really interested.
I, knowing his story, I willjust briefly share that he was a
tech guy who became a monk.
And like tech guy, I grew up inSilicon Valley mostly, even
though I moved around severalplaces in Silicon Valley, this
is, that was my home and thatwas my origin.
Knowing that I don't wanna saytech bro, because that wasn't
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from when he was there, but likethe idea of someone who's in
that kind of high achieving,fast-paced world of corporate
life in the South Bay where Igrew up.
To be able to say that can leadyou.
To full kind of calm, even ifthat's where you started, you
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can get to where he is.
Which is a calm, enlightened,open, space.
So I think that's why I likethat.
I do the accent.
I can't lie.
Jana (32:31):
Yeah.
I think meditation
Tracie (32:32):
and then have a number of people too, but
Jana (32:33):
me some sort of meditation and gratitude is just,
Tracie (32:37):
yeah.
Jana (32:37):
It's a no brainer.
Tracie (32:38):
And you mentioned going out and putting your feet in the
ground and greeting the sun.
And I think that, and that'ssomething that I have a
challenge with myself.
My yard, my fam, my lifesituation here at this house, I
have a challenge with that.
I don't have an overhang, so ifit is anything but sunny, I'm
not out there.
(32:58):
If it's get a dog, I have grassand I have a dog, and I don't
really have grass, I have, oh,you have a dog?
Oh yeah.
Oh, and they don't need to goout and walk.
Oh, that's right.
You do have a big dog door.
Oh, gotcha.
She's self-sufficient just likeme.
Got.
We're very much alike.
But and there's also like stuffgoing, there's plants that need
to be planned, like there'sclutter out there'cause it's
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like a yard in progress all thetime.
And so it doesn't serve me.
So what I can do, just like usas humans Absolutely work in
progress.
What I can do is I can openthese windows.
And my plants that I haven'tkilled, I'm so happy for them.
I can open these windows andjust look out and look, yes, I'm
looking across the lower roof,but also to the palm tree and
the oak tree and the redwoodtree, and try to, and get the
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sunlight through there so Idon't get the ground, the feet
in the ground.
But I absolutely.
Value the fact that I havesunlight and and if I, if it's
not too cold, I'll open thewindow.
And so sunlight and air, atleast two outta three ain't bad.
Jana (33:57):
Yes.
Tracie (33:58):
Because it is we're, we're not designed as humans.
To live in a box.
Jana (34:02):
And now that I think now that we're working at home, more
absolute many people are justthis, we're on screen all the
time.
Yeah.
So the more we can disconnectand get away from technology.
Like I, when I go for walks,that's often when I'm listen to
meditations is when I'm walking.
Okay.
(34:23):
And if I'm not, I will walkwithout my phone.
Just because it gives me time insilence, and that's part of my
morning routine.
The first 15 minutes is silence.
Tracie (34:35):
Yeah.
Yeah,
Jana (34:36):
that's good.
Don't touch anything.
Don't talk to anyone.
Just sit in silence.
And something new I learned wasto, when you first wake up,
smile, just smiling, changesyour physiology.
Tracie (34:50):
Mel Robbins would say, and go give yourself a high five
in the mirror.
Heck yeah.
Alright my friend.
I love this.
Oh, there was something else Iwas gonna ask you.
We talked about your move fromyour former career to your, your
organizing business to your lifecoaching business, you're
(35:11):
talking about moving from theprimarily one-on-one coaching,
moving into group coaching.
What do you see have youimagined, I know you have your
third philosophy going on sowhat does that look like?
What do you see for, the nextwhatever time period you wanna
choose, but what's ahead?
Jana (35:33):
So what is ahead for me is focusing solely on your true
North Life coaching.
And the organizing piece willalways be there because that is
it's my differentdifferentiator, excuse me,
Tracie (35:49):
school for your true north.
Jana (35:52):
Yeah, exactly.
A bonus, an add-on.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because the connection betweenour physical space and our
mental and our heart space isreally important.
So as I'm coaching peoplethrough whatever program they
end up doing with me I want tobe able to offer them some tools
to support them at home.
(36:12):
Yeah.
Because I'm a big believer thatwhile I'm talking to people on a
screen, what really matters iswhen they close the lid and turn
around and walk out into theirhome, that it is supportive and
conducive to all the other goalsand dreams and things they're
trying to accomplish in theirlife.
Yeah.
So back to what's ahead For me,it's going to be as much
(36:35):
speaking and doing workshops aspossible, just getting the word
out there and serving my lifecoaching clients.
And then my big vision in my, soI do, I'm a dream builder client
still.
So I still have coaching and thesame thing that I now coach
people on.
I don't because we're neverdone.
But in my vision at the end ofthe year.
(36:58):
I'm standing in the middle of afoyer of a tropical hotel.
I haven't figured out where itis yet, but I'm standing there
and I'm just.
Basking in the beauty and thejoy of watching my students and
all the other coaches I'vecollaborated with come together
in a beautiful retreat in atropical place and just
(37:21):
celebrating our growth andloving this world and.
Bringing light and spreadinglight.
So that's my vision.
So it'll be workshops, coachingretreats.
And the beauty of it is I can doit from anywhere in the world.
So I hope to just travel as muchas possible when my husband
retires, which I hope is as soonas possible.
Tracie (37:44):
Awesome.
So that's my vision.
And I love, that's beautiful andI love that your retreat vision
includes not only you and yourretreaters, but also other
coaches.
And their retreaters and yourwhole collaborative effort.
And I think that is the benefitof, being part of a program that
is a widespread program, veryrespected and highly known, and
(38:06):
all of those things.
So congratulations to you on,on.
Joining up with this othercommunity of people who are all
serving their people in the sameway, so that you do have that
ability.
And because I can tell you aswith the gather community,
there's nothing like it.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Having the people that you can,you can call upon to support,
(38:29):
but also to just be together.
And be on the same page and kindof be in that same vibe, that
whole woo vibe.
Everyone.
Everyone's in the same place.
Jana (38:40):
We'll wow.
Together.
Tracie (38:42):
Yeah.
I love it.
It's amazing.
And I see the palm tree in thelobby, so Yes.
We'll just say that.
I don't know where it is either,but I see the palm tree.
Jana (38:51):
Awesome.
I love being part of thecommunity and I love the
collaborative mindset becausethere's a gazillion.
Types of coaches out there, butas a transformational life
coach, it we're really lookingat a broader picture.
Yeah.
And while we'll focus on onearea, I know in this work there
are people who need.
More than I can give them on aspecific thing, whether it's
(39:15):
grief or weight loss or whateverthat thing is.
And having my gather community,my community of other coaches
that I can collaborate with andpeople I know I can trust.
Yeah.
Who I can refer my clients to,to have extra support.
I have four or five coaches, andI'm a coach, so there, there are
(39:37):
not too many coaches in thisworld.
Tracie (39:39):
Absolutely.
Yeah.
There's a lot of us, but we'reall absolutely unique
Jana (39:43):
and, but there are so many more Tracie, who.
Don't have coaches.
Absolute who absolutely willnever, ever, who have not
learned the things that we knowand that we're able to share.
It's shocking.
If you think about thepopulation,
Tracie (39:57):
oh yeah,
Jana (39:58):
there's a lot of us, but there's still not enough.
Tracie (40:00):
Yeah there's still not enough and there's still that,
and that's why there's nocompetition and my mind.
Amen.
Because, amen.
There's still, plenty of peopleout there.
Everyone needs support.
And whether that is byunderstanding that you have
hired a coach, right?
Or that you're in a community ofother people who are empathetic
(40:21):
and understanding and can't, andjust give you the support that
you need.
Professional coaching.
Yes.
And also community.
Because that's at least a start.
Jana (40:33):
We have to invest in ourselves for sure.
Tracie (40:35):
Absolutely.
This has been amazing and I lovewhere our direction took us to
seeing your big vision for thefuture and what is.
On the horizon as you look atyour true North.
So I'm very thrilled to have youhere on the podcast.
I wanna thank you and I want toencourage everyone out there to
(40:58):
check out Jana's information,connect with her.
Help her reach her goal ofreaching more people.
If you know somewhere that islooking for a speaker like Jana,
please reach out to her.
And that is, I think one of thebiggest gifts we can give
someone who wants to speak is,do you have a group who would
enjoy me as a speaker?
(41:19):
You as a speaker introduce us,tell us you know, how we can
help.
Because that's our mission is toshare.
Yes.
Awesome.
Jana, thank you again and thankyou.
Thank you for being on the Boldand Brilliant podcast.
Jana (41:34):
My pleasure.
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