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Tracie (01:55):
Stephanie, welcome to the podcast.
I'm so excited that you're here.
We have so much to talk about.
Stephanie (02:01):
Thank you, Tracie.
Tracie (02:02):
I'm really excited to be here.
Yay.
Okay.
Well, so as we were talkingbefore when we, before we got
started, I know a lot about whatyou do now.
We've been kind of, as soon aswe got connected, we've been
tightly connected, talking aboutall of the different areas that
you work.
Significantly different and yetkind of all related types of
(02:24):
work.
But I don't know a lot about howyou got here.
So let's go back a little originstory journey and tell me, tell
everyone, our listeners here onthe podcast, like where did you
start?
What did you start with, and howdid you decide to start doing
the things that you're doingnow?
Stephanie (02:43):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a long meandering story.
I'll make it semi short.
But I started in the restaurantbusiness after college.
I have my degree in homeeconomics, nutrition is my
focus.
Okay.
And really wanted to get intothat field, but got out of
college and couldn't findanything.
I lived in LA at the time andkind of got to this mode of.
(03:03):
Holy cow, I've gotta make moneylike uhoh.
Here we go.
Right?
So started looking for jobs,started in the restaurant
business as an assistant manager
Tracie (03:12):
Okay.
Stephanie (03:12):
Working in the quick casual restaurant business.
And then really love, I justfell in love with it.
So I grew my career fromassistant manager to manager.
I worked in research anddevelopment for a while, and
then I we moved to Portland.
Got a great opportunity to startmanaging multiple restaurants,
(03:33):
and so I managed six McDonald'sand about$12 million in
business.
Loved it, loved the people, hadfun but wanted to make a new
change once I got my Master's inhuman resources.
Tracie (03:46):
Okay.
I'm gonna pause you because Iwanna know, what was it about
the restaurant business that youloved?
That took you like leavingcollege with nutrition.
To managing the restaurantsinstead.
And the research part maybe is alittle, is interesting too.
'cause was it research on forlike that restaurant to make
(04:07):
them successful or about theindustry in general?
Tell us just a little bit moreabout Yeah, what about it that
you really enjoyed?
Because I wanna see how it'sgonna start relating to what I
know you do now.
So talk a little bit more aboutthe, what was fun about it?
Stephanie (04:21):
I'm a people person, so standing at the counter,
talking to customers and walkingaround and talking to customers
it just, it brings me joy.
I'm such a people person andconnecting is a huge part of my
personality.
I love that.
In the research and development,I actually worked in a research
and development store where theywould throw different.
(04:42):
Research projects at me forthose for trying out new, so
trying new foods, trying newwraps, trying new, you know,
different types of things.
Okay.
And again, that gave me anopportunity to connect with
clients out in the lobby.
It's what did you think?
How did you like it?
Oh, I didn't like it.
Oh, okay.
Great feedback.
I'll share that.
Or, yeah, we loved it.
Share, you know, we want more.
So it was really fun.
(05:03):
That's cool.
And then transitioning up to mymulti-unit restaurant
management.
What I loved about that was,again, continuing to connect.
'cause as I'd walk in thestores, I'd talk to people and a
bunch of
Tracie (05:14):
different stores now,
Stephanie (05:16):
right?
So now I have six stores, but Ireally started enjoying the
management part of it, growingthe people, training the people
training my leaders.
And just again, an opportunityto stay connected with, you
know, in general people.
But now.
On a different level.
Tracie (05:32):
Mm-hmm.
Stephanie (05:33):
My career made a shift when I finished my
master's.
And really wanted to swing intothe HR part.
'cause again, the people part iswhat really was my passion.
Mm-hmm.
But there was no opportunitieswhere I was at.
So I joined Papa Murphy'sInternational and started
overseeing franchise owners.
(05:54):
So again, customer service butat a different level.
And then really helping themgrow their businesses.
Continuing to kind of take theskill sets I'd learned, but grow
their businesses.
Tracie (06:04):
So I love, I wanna interrupt again.
I love that, you know, thestores where you were
overseeing, you know, them themanagement is, like you said,
the one level, but the franchiseowners.
They want they're not justmanaging a store, they're
creating a business forthemselves.
Stephanie (06:21):
Correct.
Tracie (06:22):
So supporting them as a business owner as opposed to a
store manager is a verydifferent, and like you said,
next level kind of relationship.
Yeah.
This is all making a lot ofsense to me now.
Stephanie (06:38):
Tying it all together for, yeah.
What I loved about working withfranchise owners was I got to
see it from their eyes because Ihad been.
Heavily immersed in the companyside.
Now seeing it from a franchiseside and trying to meld those
two worlds together was a newchallenge for me.
One of my passions again wastraining and development and
(06:59):
helping people.
An opportunity I.
Came open to become the directorof training for Papa Murphy's.
So I moved into that role and asI continued to work with
franchise owners and they had avery small group of company
stores at the time, but workingwith the franchise owners I just
became more passionate about thebusiness side of it.
And then got the opportunity tostart managing multiple
(07:21):
departments and grew myselffrom, you know, director to vp
very quickly.
And I just loved it.
I had so much fun.
I loved the people.
I loved managing departments.
I loved the different thingsthat I got to do every day.
I.
For me, I love change in thesense of that every day's not
exactly the same, but I do lovesome routine, so I'd come in and
(07:42):
have my routine, but then getsome kind of new challenge or
opportunity.
Yeah.
So I was on that career path andthen went through some personal
change and challenge and got anopportunity to do a similar type
role with a new company inColorado.
So made the switch and the moveto Colorado with some startup
companies.
(08:02):
And I did that with two, twodifferent companies and then
moved to a third company and wasdownsized, right sized, you
know, a couple times with smallcompanies.
That just becomes the challenge.
Yep.
And the third time I just saidat that time I was opening
restaurants internationally, soI was working in the Middle
East.
Opening restaurants, they'relooking at new concepts in India
(08:23):
and Italy and loving what I wasdoing.
But the company got sold and Ijust said, I think I'm at a
point in my life where I don'twanna continue to make these
shifts and changes.
Like relearning.
Yeah.
With concepts, because thebasics are the same, but it's
the new.
Concept that you have to learn.
Okay, now I have to learnsandwiches.
Okay, now I have to learn pizza.
Okay, now I have to learn,right?
(08:44):
So I just decided at that timetime to become an entrepreneur.
I've learned a lot from thesebusiness owners.
I've grown a lot personally.
So I went back to what I knewbest, which is health and
wellness, and just the coachingpart of health and wellness with
my nutritional background.
And through that journey, I'lltake one quick side step and
(09:04):
then come back.
Okay.
I have practiced yoga since Iwas 29.
It was my escape as my kids werelittle, to go to some quiet
place and have a littlestillness for myself for one
hour, just a little then, yes,and fast forward back to where I
was at with my health andwellness.
One thing I kept seeing was thisneed for people to de-stress.
(09:26):
People were so stressed out andthat was causing a lot of the
health and wellness issues.
So I had gone to a workshop andtalked to one of the workshop
facilitators and said, man, I'vedone, I've practiced yoga for,
you know, 20 some years, and Ilove the practice.
I've always thought it'd be kindof intriguing to be a teacher,
but I think I'm past that.
And she looked me in the eye andshe said, no, you're not.
(09:50):
And guess what?
People need you.
People want to see somebody thatlooks like them and practice
with somebody that's like you.
So at age 50, here I go, right?
51, I guess I was 51.
I went back and became acertified yoga teacher and
that's really where a lot ofshift happened within me.
(10:13):
I started growing my yoga'causeI of course start as a yoga
teacher.
I've gotta open a studio, right?
That's my brilliant idea.
Well,
Tracie (10:21):
so yeah.
So you were starting to talkabout, okay, I'm gonna become an
entrepreneur, but then yousidestepped to becoming a new
teacher.
Had you started somethingentrepreneurial before you got
your yoga teacher training?
Stephanie (10:33):
Yeah, so I was a health and wellness coach.
So you were coaching?
Just started coaching, yeah.
Okay.
And then Jane, what I did, Jane,like you
Tracie (10:39):
had worked in these company based and store-based
environments for so long, buthere you were working kind of on
your own right?
And Yeah, I would imagine, andbecause I've been through that,
that the draw to have a place.
To do your work.
Yeah.
After having a place to go towork, there's something there.
(11:00):
You know, I still have it evenafter opening, gathering,
closing gathers I'm alwayslooking at places.
We talked about this when wewere in.
Yeah.
So it's like, oh, look at thatplace.
I can have a place.
You know?
Yeah.
There's always something abouthaving a place.
Yeah.
That even for entrepreneursthere's a draw.
I think if you've been.
That kind of corporate companybased employee environment.
Stephanie (11:23):
Yeah.
And I'll tie this together withsomething that is really the
whole purpose of having a yogastudio was community for me.
I love being in community.
I love being with people.
And it allowed me theopportunity to start taking my
health and wellness coachingbusiness and add another
component, which was my yoga,you know, teaching yoga, and
(11:45):
then add on to that.
My first year as a yoga teacher,I'm like, huh, let's do a
retreat.
Tracie (11:53):
Okay, here we go.
Well, because yoga retreats area thing.
Yeah.
And after all of your workinternationally with the
restaurant business, as soon asyou said, oh, I was in the
Middle East, I was like, well,there's the travel.
Yeah.
Part and the retreat part of itstarted then, right?
Yeah.
When you got a chance to seeother parts of the world.
(12:16):
Keep going.
Sorry.
Yeah.
Well, so one
Stephanie (12:18):
of the things, so where's our first retreat?
Thailand, which is where we haddone a scouting for a new
restaurant and I had stayed atthis amazing retreat center.
Mm-hmm.
And I'm like, Ooh, let's take agroup there.
So we did, we launched ourfirst, you know, okay, here we
go.
We're gonna do a retreat firstyear in business as a yoga
(12:38):
studio.
Mm-hmm.
And we took 12, yo 11 yogis, 11of us I think, or 11 or 12 of
us.
We took to Thailand and it wasso much fun.
We proceeded to host.
Wine and yoga retreats in Oregonat a bed and breakfast.
Mm-hmm.
And we sold that out.
We added another week or anotherweekend, so we sold that out.
(12:59):
And so retreats quickly became.
The part that I really enjoyedthe most, even though I love the
teaching, I love all of thethings.
I slowly did less of the healthcoaching and really focused on
yoga retreats, yoga workshops,yoga.
Yoga, everything, yoga.
And that's really where thepassion for hosting retreats
came from.
Mm-hmm.
(13:19):
Was the excitement of goingsomewhere and traveling the
world, which I had been workinginternationally.
And yet that community, which Icraved and thrived on.
Fast forward to 2020.
We all know what happened.
We were planning to take a groupto Greece in two months and
(13:40):
COVID, so we took, you know, wejust paused our retreat the.
Cruise line that we were takinghim on was amazing to work with
and worked our way throughCOVID, pivoted to online yoga.
Just kept our community onlineand slowly you know, the story,
you know, you've lived thisstory, but slowly we just
(14:00):
decided to let our lease go.
We had just repped our lease.
But we let our lease go becausewe didn't know what was gonna
happen, number one.
Number two, our main communitythat we taught to was middle age
and older women.
And the thought and fear for uswas, I don't know, want to give
(14:21):
anybody this disease.
I don't know how to keep themsafe.
Doing yoga in a mask is not fun.
And we just decided to stayonline, so we pivoted to online,
but kept the retreat component.
So we went to Greece 2021 andthen started relaunching our
local retreats.
Did, you know, just kept doingtwo a year.
We'd do two of those, we'd doone international.
(14:44):
And then just continued to makethis pivot to, you know,
retreats internationally.
We would do one a year and thenwe would do two or three,
sometimes four stateside.
So that's really where I decidedto become a travel agent and
keep my yoga business and makethat connection of the two.
(15:05):
I was already doing all theplanning.
I was already doing theorganizing, but as a travel
agent, I now have the bookingsystems.
I now have the inside scoop tomake things much more smooth and
easy and connected.
That's kinda where that all ledto.
Tracie (15:19):
Yeah.
Well that all makes so muchsense.
The, and I think that that's alot of people who get into
travel get into travel becausethey like to travel.
You know, these days, especiallyback in the olden days when you
had to have specializedequipment and hard ticketing and
all of those things, that was awhole different plan.
(15:40):
And when I was in corporate, Iremember having to.
To deal with the travel officeand all the specialization that
took and everything.
But these days, a lot of peoplethat I talk to, especially in
networking, it's like, yeah, I'ma travel agent.
I started doing it because I wasgoing here and I decided to help
other people go here orwhatever.
Yeah.
(16:00):
So that totally makes sense.
And yeah, we've talked about theletting the studio go and it
only.
For so many of us who had small,boutique kind of businesses.
Mm-hmm.
You know, I don't know a lotthat made it all the way through
and kept their existing modeljust because there was that
(16:21):
whole unknown factor.
And you know, and maybe it'sbecause we're older and we're
just like, this life doesn'thave to be this hard.
We can do something differentlybecause we've already reinvented
things before.
Yeah.
Right.
Stephanie (16:35):
So we'll just do it again.
Well, and I would say the sidebenefits, a couple of things I
learned very quickly when wemade this pivot.
So it was 30 minutes to mystudio.
Tracie (16:44):
Mm-hmm.
I
Stephanie (16:45):
always wanted to be there 20 minutes ahead.
Sure.
So let's just T tack on an hourbefore a class.
Tracie (16:52):
Mm-hmm.
Stephanie (16:52):
Sometimes I would have two classes in a row, but
often it would just be one classjust based on the need of the
clients.
Tracie (16:58):
Mm-hmm.
Stephanie (16:58):
So I was spending, let's call it.
Two hours a day, you're kindacleaning up afterwards and
getting back home.
Wait, and nobody ever just left,right?
Everybody wants to gab gab anddo the blah, blah blah.
Like Caterina would say.
So it, you know, it became thisextra two hours, which I loved
when I was there, but I quicklyrealized I literally have my
(17:20):
commute to the basement, or mycommute to my new studio is
three minutes.
Like, walk down, open my laptop.
Start.
Yeah, that's as simple as itgot.
So I think what I realized too,with that pivot and why I have
stayed virtually is I got backhours in the week.
(17:41):
Now, I will also say, and youand I have talked about this
personally, every time I driveby an empty space, I go, Ooh,
that would be such a great yogastudio.
Would be great.
It would be fabulous.
And I miss teaching in person.
But I do get to teach in personat my retreats.
So that's where I get to fillthat cup in that way.
And just continue to nurture myonline clients and build, you
(18:04):
know, that way
Tracie (18:05):
and bring them together in retreats and, you know, I
think the whole, Ooh, it's aspace.
Would that space be great?
Also comes from, for me it'sfrom being in corporate
facilities.
For you, you were openingrestaurants, right?
Yeah.
So you were always looking at anew space to maybe open a
restaurant.
In the same way that I wasmoving companies into these
pieces too.
So we have that other previousdraw towards what the It's all
(18:32):
about potential.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
Imagine what that could be like.
'cause we have this visionarysituation.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, so we've already kind oftouched on your big bold
decision that you made to becomea yoga teacher.
And you know what I love, but,but I see that as.
Literally just a step on thepath for you because you know,
(18:56):
you were already practicingnext, and I've considered in the
past being a Pilates teachertoo, for the same reason I'm
going to class three, four timesa week.
Clearly.
I enjoy it.
I'm good at it.
People like ask me questions.
You know, you have all of thiskind of potential for in people
who used to always assume that Iwas in teacher training and I
(19:17):
wasn't.
I knew since I was opening,gathered that I wasn't going to.
But the, the, it's, it's a verynatural progression because
you're already doing the hours,you just now have more pointed
kind of education about it.
But to take from becoming a yogateacher to doing a retreat like,
(19:41):
well, I guess it's like a party,but it's a, but you're just a
party planner.
Yeah.
And then going, and so it's allbeen a very natural, like add-on
kind of Yeah.
Process it seems, which I love.
Stephanie (19:55):
Yeah.
And, and what it's ended up forme, Tracie, what's, what's kind
of unfolded is the bonus of howmuch I love retreats now,
helping people plan retreats.
Helping people understand howthey can enjoy retreats and help
them with just the behind thescenes, right?
I'll do the bookings, I'll helpwith this, I'll help with that.
(20:16):
And then you go enjoy yourretreat.
You get to not worry about thatbusyness of what you know, all
the booking system is and allthat kinda stuff.
I'll do that for you.
Go have fun, be merry.
Take your, you know, have a goodtime.
Yeah.
So I think that I've been ableto meld the two and continue to
do what makes my body feel goodas I've aged, which is yoga.
Mm-hmm.
(20:36):
To continue to teach what Ilove.
And melding the two worlds iskind of the two core values that
I have or, and, and have alwayshad, but just kind of maybe
focused more on them as I'veaged is adventure and community.
Tracie (20:51):
Yeah.
And the health piece too.
So like you said, keep your bodyhealthy by doing the things that
it responds to, but clearly youstarted off with health being
the first thing.
Yeah.
It's just, and I, what it soundslike is it ends up being like
this underlying current, becausethe mental health aspect and the
(21:13):
adventure, to me, adventure ispart of health.
Stephanie (21:16):
Yeah.
Tracie (21:16):
If I'm not adventuring.
Or planning an adventure.
Yeah.
Then I'm depressed.
Like it's not, you know, there'sthere's a joy that comes from
that and health can come fromhaving that joy disposition.
So having that undercurrent ofhealth is like still there, even
though it manifests in communityand
Stephanie (21:38):
Yeah.
Well, and that's, I think that'swhy I had such a hard time with
COVID was feeling like I was injail when I love traveling, when
I love getting out and being incommunity.
It was so hard for me.
Yeah.
Connecting in other ways becamethe challenge, right?
Like, how can I continue to beonline more?
How can I, you know, thrive in acommunity online, which has now
been the side benefit of gettingto meet so many more people
(22:02):
throughout the country, and, youknow, the world, I would say.
Yep.
You, you can thrive in differentways in community.
Whether it be through the gathercommunity or, you know, all
different kinds of ways to plugin.
That's been the side benefitbecause as I've done all these
changes, we then, you know, hadsome personal changes and moved
back to Oregon where I had tostart over at, you know, age 58
(22:26):
trying to meet people again.
It's, it's a whole differentballgame.
So discovering community indifferent ways has been such an
adventure in itself.
Tracie (22:34):
Yeah, I love that.
And you're right, you can just.
You know, we don't, it's not aconscious thing to shift from
in-person to online.
We did it, but because we had todo it, but it was not anything
we ever would've chosen.
But you know what I realizedseveral months post start of
lockdown was that the wholepoint of having the in-person
(22:58):
space was not to have a room torent.
Which was the business right.
But the point was to bringpeople together was to build
community.
Right.
And like, you know, I alwaystell people, I'm like, I wanted
to have friends.
So that's why I built a placewhere I could bring friends and
Yeah, find friends.
And so realizing that byshifting that online is just a
(23:21):
different way of buildingcommunity and that, that was
always the point.
Stephanie (23:25):
Yeah.
In community.
Tracie (23:26):
And so whether for you with retreats, with teaching
yoga with, you know, not onlyhosting your own retreats, but
helping other people build theircommunity and being kind of a
part of that, whether youparticipate in the retreat or
are just there to help createthat community.
Mm-hmm.
And then, you know, you have awhole other arm of your business
(23:47):
that we can't talk about all ofthat this time today, which is
also building more communitiesso that people have that
capacity.
It's so, like you are I alwaystalk about the ripples in the
pond factor and how everyone'spebble that goes into the pond
is different size.
And so your ripples aredifferent sizes and some are big
(24:09):
and some are small.
But you literally have a hand ofpebbles.
You're not just a pebble, you'relike five pebbles because of all
of the different ways that you.
Build community and show up inthe world.
And I think that's a superpower.
So That's amazing.
Stephanie (24:25):
Yeah.
And the common theme througheverything right, is people, i
it's how I started my career.
It's how I built my career.
My businesses is people.
And that, whether it's onebusiness or the other business,
they all interconnect in onecommon theme.
It's community and people.
Yeah, it's my need for that.
One of the things I diddiscover, which was really
(24:45):
interesting about myself as I,as we went through COVID mostly,
is that I really am an ambivert,I unplug mm-hmm.
And do great at recharging, youknow, like having that personal
space.
But I do get charged up when I'mwith people.
Like, I feel so nourished andcomforted in mostly smaller
(25:06):
communities.
I feel like I do better in kindof that 15 to 20, mm-hmm.
25.
Mm-hmm.
Because I can know everybody,because I can then connect with
everybody, and know, you know,not have this unknown of these
big groups.
But I love, I just, I love it somuch.
The community and the adventureand the people.
Tracie (25:21):
Yep, yep.
Well that's, and that's whywe've become fast friends ever
since we met, because we arelike this in all of those
categories for sure.
You know, Stephanie, you'rehelping me.
We're connected in all theseother events and everything that
we have going on, and this ofcourse being a podcast, it's the
kind of evergreen kind of thing.
(25:41):
But given that we're here in themiddle, starting the summer of
2025, what's like, what do yousee?
I know you have specific tripsplanned for retreats, whether
they're yoga retreats or othertypes of things.
I'm really thrilled and excitedto be going with you to France
at the end of 2026.
(26:02):
So, you know, by the time thathappens, lots of people will
have heard this episode.
It'll have been out for over ayear.
So we can talk about that one,but like, what's your like dream
trip that you wanna bring peopleon that you haven't done yet?
Stephanie (26:18):
Well, I have this, it, it, in fact, I think
Caterina and I might have beentalking about it, but one of my
bucket list trips is to take agroup from one side of Canada to
the other side.
Oh yeah, we
Tracie (26:30):
keep talking about that.
'cause I wanna do that
Stephanie (26:32):
on the train.
I know.
We need to take a group on thetrain.
So I've already started theprocess.
I actually reached out, you knowme, I'm always planning.
I already started the process ofjust gathering the information.
There's a, it's called a trance.
Canadian tour, and I think it'sseven or eight days, so one side
to the other side, and then Ithink you fly home.
I don't, I I know you don't goback, right?
(26:53):
I'm sure.
Yeah.
It looks amazing.
And so I've, I've alreadystarted this like kind of
noodling what could this looklike and who would like to go
with and Yeah.
You know, it's, it's thechallenge with rail.
It's not like when you do a landtour where you can, or, or even
a river cruise or cruise whereyou can book it and then.
Slowly kind of noodle people.
(27:15):
When you do rail, you need toeither make payments and book a
big block is what I'mdiscovering.
Or have the set non of peoplethat are ready to go and then we
all book together.
We all book together.
So that's where the littlenuances of like, oh, okay, we
wanna go, who wants to go withme?
Like, do we have 15 people or 20people that wanna go that we
could book now?
Right.
(27:35):
Kind of think for a 2027,because one of the things I
really pride myself on isbooking.
At least 18 months to two yearsout.
Tracie (27:43):
Yeah.
So that people can really Plan.
Stephanie (27:45):
Plan,
Tracie (27:46):
yeah.
And
Stephanie (27:46):
not feel like, I can't afford that.
Sure.
You can, you make a deposit andthen just make, you know, small
payments and by the time you go,that trip is paid off and you
get to enjoy the adventure.
Yep.
Tracie (27:56):
Yeah.
Well I can't wait for that tocome to fruition.
And you're right, the, you know,doing what Katina would call the
pre-publication.
Yeah.
We're gonna do this.
This is what I'm looking at andI need people to start.
Yeah.
You know, anyway, that would bereally exciting.
And then of course, in ourpeople get a lot of the inside
(28:17):
scoop, right in our group text.
Someone starts talking about theOrient Express and we're all
excited again.
So yeah, good venture to
Stephanie (28:25):
come.
I'm dripping on that one too.
And one of my other bucket listrealtor.
I love the rail.
It's really fun to do railScotland.
There's a rail going acrossScotland that I really wanna
take a group on too, as
Tracie (28:36):
long as they have heaters.
I would love to see Scotlandfrom behind a window.
Stephanie (28:39):
Yeah, exactly.
Or right in July when it's the
Tracie (28:43):
warmest Yeah.
In that one my friend, we couldkeep talking about potential
adventure for hours, but we're,we're gonna have to just do a
new episode sometime in thefuture where we talk about what
already happened and what's onthe deck going forward.
So I just wanna thank you.
Thank you for all of that story.
I literally didn't know any ofthat beginning stuff, and I
(29:06):
think what I want.
Our listeners to recognize isthat no matter where you are, if
you go with the things thatreally light you up, you're
gonna end up somewhere amazingand recognizing that that, you
know, just hold onto the thing,hold onto those things and let
the rest kind of, you know, justevolve because it's only gonna
(29:29):
be amazing.
Stephanie (29:30):
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Tracie (29:32):
I love it.
Stephanie, thank you so much forbeing on the podcast and we will
talk again super soon.
Yeah.
Thank
Stephanie (29:37):
you so much my friend.
Stephanie, welcome to the podcast.
I'm so excited that you're here.
We have so much to talk about.
Stephanie (02:01):
Thank you, Tracie.
Tracie (02:02):
I'm really excited to be here.
Yay.
Okay.
Well, so as we were talkingbefore when we, before we got
started, I know a lot about whatyou do now.
We've been kind of, as soon aswe got connected, we've been
tightly connected, talking aboutall of the different areas that
you work.
Significantly different and yetkind of all related types of
(02:24):
work.
But I don't know a lot about howyou got here.
So let's go back a little originstory journey and tell me, tell
everyone, our listeners here onthe podcast, like where did you
start?
What did you start with, and howdid you decide to start doing
the things that you're doingnow?
Stephanie (02:43):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a long meandering story.
I'll make it semi short.
But I started in the restaurantbusiness after college.
I have my degree in homeeconomics, nutrition is my
focus.
Okay.
And really wanted to get intothat field, but got out of
college and couldn't findanything.
I lived in LA at the time andkind of got to this mode of.
(03:03):
Holy cow, I've gotta make moneylike uhoh.
Here we go.
Right?
So started looking for jobs,started in the restaurant
business as an assistant manager
Tracie (03:12):
Okay.
Stephanie (03:12):
Working in the quick casual restaurant business.
And then really love, I justfell in love with it.
So I grew my career fromassistant manager to manager.
I worked in research anddevelopment for a while, and
then I we moved to Portland.
Got a great opportunity to startmanaging multiple restaurants,
(03:33):
and so I managed six McDonald'sand about$12 million in
business.
Loved it, loved the people, hadfun but wanted to make a new
change once I got my Master's inhuman resources.
Tracie (03:46):
Okay.
I'm gonna pause you because Iwanna know, what was it about
the restaurant business that youloved?
That took you like leavingcollege with nutrition.
To managing the restaurantsinstead.
And the research part maybe is alittle, is interesting too.
'cause was it research on forlike that restaurant to make
(04:07):
them successful or about theindustry in general?
Tell us just a little bit moreabout Yeah, what about it that
you really enjoyed?
Because I wanna see how it'sgonna start relating to what I
know you do now.
So talk a little bit more aboutthe, what was fun about it?
Stephanie (04:21):
I'm a people person, so standing at the counter,
talking to customers and walkingaround and talking to customers
it just, it brings me joy.
I'm such a people person andconnecting is a huge part of my
personality.
I love that.
In the research and development,I actually worked in a research
and development store where theywould throw different.
(04:42):
Research projects at me forthose for trying out new, so
trying new foods, trying newwraps, trying new, you know,
different types of things.
Okay.
And again, that gave me anopportunity to connect with
clients out in the lobby.
It's what did you think?
How did you like it?
Oh, I didn't like it.
Oh, okay.
Great feedback.
I'll share that.
Or, yeah, we loved it.
Share, you know, we want more.
So it was really fun.
(05:03):
That's cool.
And then transitioning up to mymulti-unit restaurant
management.
What I loved about that was,again, continuing to connect.
'cause as I'd walk in thestores, I'd talk to people and a
bunch of
Tracie (05:14):
different stores now,
Stephanie (05:16):
right?
So now I have six stores, but Ireally started enjoying the
management part of it, growingthe people, training the people
training my leaders.
And just again, an opportunityto stay connected with, you
know, in general people.
But now.
On a different level.
Tracie (05:32):
Mm-hmm.
Stephanie (05:33):
My career made a shift when I finished my
master's.
And really wanted to swing intothe HR part.
'cause again, the people part iswhat really was my passion.
Mm-hmm.
But there was no opportunitieswhere I was at.
So I joined Papa Murphy'sInternational and started
overseeing franchise owners.
(05:54):
So again, customer service butat a different level.
And then really helping themgrow their businesses.
Continuing to kind of take theskill sets I'd learned, but grow
their businesses.
Tracie (06:04):
So I love, I wanna interrupt again.
I love that, you know, thestores where you were
overseeing, you know, them themanagement is, like you said,
the one level, but the franchiseowners.
They want they're not justmanaging a store, they're
creating a business forthemselves.
Stephanie (06:21):
Correct.
Tracie (06:22):
So supporting them as a business owner as opposed to a
store manager is a verydifferent, and like you said,
next level kind of relationship.
Yeah.
This is all making a lot ofsense to me now.
Stephanie (06:38):
Tying it all together for, yeah.
What I loved about working withfranchise owners was I got to
see it from their eyes because Ihad been.
Heavily immersed in the companyside.
Now seeing it from a franchiseside and trying to meld those
two worlds together was a newchallenge for me.
One of my passions again wastraining and development and
(06:59):
helping people.
An opportunity I.
Came open to become the directorof training for Papa Murphy's.
So I moved into that role and asI continued to work with
franchise owners and they had avery small group of company
stores at the time, but workingwith the franchise owners I just
became more passionate about thebusiness side of it.
And then got the opportunity tostart managing multiple
(07:21):
departments and grew myselffrom, you know, director to vp
very quickly.
And I just loved it.
I had so much fun.
I loved the people.
I loved managing departments.
I loved the different thingsthat I got to do every day.
I.
For me, I love change in thesense of that every day's not
exactly the same, but I do lovesome routine, so I'd come in and
(07:42):
have my routine, but then getsome kind of new challenge or
opportunity.
Yeah.
So I was on that career path andthen went through some personal
change and challenge and got anopportunity to do a similar type
role with a new company inColorado.
So made the switch and the moveto Colorado with some startup
companies.
(08:02):
And I did that with two, twodifferent companies and then
moved to a third company and wasdownsized, right sized, you
know, a couple times with smallcompanies.
That just becomes the challenge.
Yep.
And the third time I just saidat that time I was opening
restaurants internationally, soI was working in the Middle
East.
Opening restaurants, they'relooking at new concepts in India
(08:23):
and Italy and loving what I wasdoing.
But the company got sold and Ijust said, I think I'm at a
point in my life where I don'twanna continue to make these
shifts and changes.
Like relearning.
Yeah.
With concepts, because thebasics are the same, but it's
the new.
Concept that you have to learn.
Okay, now I have to learnsandwiches.
Okay, now I have to learn pizza.
Okay, now I have to learn,right?
(08:44):
So I just decided at that timetime to become an entrepreneur.
I've learned a lot from thesebusiness owners.
I've grown a lot personally.
So I went back to what I knewbest, which is health and
wellness, and just the coachingpart of health and wellness with
my nutritional background.
And through that journey, I'lltake one quick side step and
(09:04):
then come back.
Okay.
I have practiced yoga since Iwas 29.
It was my escape as my kids werelittle, to go to some quiet
place and have a littlestillness for myself for one
hour, just a little then, yes,and fast forward back to where I
was at with my health andwellness.
One thing I kept seeing was thisneed for people to de-stress.
(09:26):
People were so stressed out andthat was causing a lot of the
health and wellness issues.
So I had gone to a workshop andtalked to one of the workshop
facilitators and said, man, I'vedone, I've practiced yoga for,
you know, 20 some years, and Ilove the practice.
I've always thought it'd be kindof intriguing to be a teacher,
but I think I'm past that.
And she looked me in the eye andshe said, no, you're not.
(09:50):
And guess what?
People need you.
People want to see somebody thatlooks like them and practice
with somebody that's like you.
So at age 50, here I go, right?
51, I guess I was 51.
I went back and became acertified yoga teacher and
that's really where a lot ofshift happened within me.
(10:13):
I started growing my yoga'causeI of course start as a yoga
teacher.
I've gotta open a studio, right?
That's my brilliant idea.
Well,
Tracie (10:21):
so yeah.
So you were starting to talkabout, okay, I'm gonna become an
entrepreneur, but then yousidestepped to becoming a new
teacher.
Had you started somethingentrepreneurial before you got
your yoga teacher training?
Stephanie (10:33):
Yeah, so I was a health and wellness coach.
So you were coaching?
Just started coaching, yeah.
Okay.
And then Jane, what I did, Jane,like you
Tracie (10:39):
had worked in these company based and store-based
environments for so long, buthere you were working kind of on
your own right?
And Yeah, I would imagine, andbecause I've been through that,
that the draw to have a place.
To do your work.
Yeah.
After having a place to go towork, there's something there.
(11:00):
You know, I still have it evenafter opening, gathering,
closing gathers I'm alwayslooking at places.
We talked about this when wewere in.
Yeah.
So it's like, oh, look at thatplace.
I can have a place.
You know?
Yeah.
There's always something abouthaving a place.
Yeah.
That even for entrepreneursthere's a draw.
I think if you've been.
That kind of corporate companybased employee environment.
Stephanie (11:23):
Yeah.
And I'll tie this together withsomething that is really the
whole purpose of having a yogastudio was community for me.
I love being in community.
I love being with people.
And it allowed me theopportunity to start taking my
health and wellness coachingbusiness and add another
component, which was my yoga,you know, teaching yoga, and
(11:45):
then add on to that.
My first year as a yoga teacher,I'm like, huh, let's do a
retreat.
Tracie (11:53):
Okay, here we go.
Well, because yoga retreats area thing.
Yeah.
And after all of your workinternationally with the
restaurant business, as soon asyou said, oh, I was in the
Middle East, I was like, well,there's the travel.
Yeah.
Part and the retreat part of itstarted then, right?
Yeah.
When you got a chance to seeother parts of the world.
(12:16):
Keep going.
Sorry.
Yeah.
Well, so one
Stephanie (12:18):
of the things, so where's our first retreat?
Thailand, which is where we haddone a scouting for a new
restaurant and I had stayed atthis amazing retreat center.
Mm-hmm.
And I'm like, Ooh, let's take agroup there.
So we did, we launched ourfirst, you know, okay, here we
go.
We're gonna do a retreat firstyear in business as a yoga
(12:38):
studio.
Mm-hmm.
And we took 12, yo 11 yogis, 11of us I think, or 11 or 12 of
us.
We took to Thailand and it wasso much fun.
We proceeded to host.
Wine and yoga retreats in Oregonat a bed and breakfast.
Mm-hmm.
And we sold that out.
We added another week or anotherweekend, so we sold that out.
(12:59):
And so retreats quickly became.
The part that I really enjoyedthe most, even though I love the
teaching, I love all of thethings.
I slowly did less of the healthcoaching and really focused on
yoga retreats, yoga workshops,yoga.
Yoga, everything, yoga.
And that's really where thepassion for hosting retreats
came from.
Mm-hmm.
(13:19):
Was the excitement of goingsomewhere and traveling the
world, which I had been workinginternationally.
And yet that community, which Icraved and thrived on.
Fast forward to 2020.
We all know what happened.
We were planning to take a groupto Greece in two months and
(13:40):
COVID, so we took, you know, wejust paused our retreat the.
Cruise line that we were takinghim on was amazing to work with
and worked our way throughCOVID, pivoted to online yoga.
Just kept our community onlineand slowly you know, the story,
you know, you've lived thisstory, but slowly we just
(14:00):
decided to let our lease go.
We had just repped our lease.
But we let our lease go becausewe didn't know what was gonna
happen, number one.
Number two, our main communitythat we taught to was middle age
and older women.
And the thought and fear for uswas, I don't know, want to give
(14:21):
anybody this disease.
I don't know how to keep themsafe.
Doing yoga in a mask is not fun.
And we just decided to stayonline, so we pivoted to online,
but kept the retreat component.
So we went to Greece 2021 andthen started relaunching our
local retreats.
Did, you know, just kept doingtwo a year.
We'd do two of those, we'd doone international.
(14:44):
And then just continued to makethis pivot to, you know,
retreats internationally.
We would do one a year and thenwe would do two or three,
sometimes four stateside.
So that's really where I decidedto become a travel agent and
keep my yoga business and makethat connection of the two.
(15:05):
I was already doing all theplanning.
I was already doing theorganizing, but as a travel
agent, I now have the bookingsystems.
I now have the inside scoop tomake things much more smooth and
easy and connected.
That's kinda where that all ledto.
Tracie (15:19):
Yeah.
Well that all makes so muchsense.
The, and I think that that's alot of people who get into
travel get into travel becausethey like to travel.
You know, these days, especiallyback in the olden days when you
had to have specializedequipment and hard ticketing and
all of those things, that was awhole different plan.
(15:40):
And when I was in corporate, Iremember having to.
To deal with the travel officeand all the specialization that
took and everything.
But these days, a lot of peoplethat I talk to, especially in
networking, it's like, yeah, I'ma travel agent.
I started doing it because I wasgoing here and I decided to help
other people go here orwhatever.
Yeah.
(16:00):
So that totally makes sense.
And yeah, we've talked about theletting the studio go and it
only.
For so many of us who had small,boutique kind of businesses.
Mm-hmm.
You know, I don't know a lotthat made it all the way through
and kept their existing modeljust because there was that
(16:21):
whole unknown factor.
And you know, and maybe it'sbecause we're older and we're
just like, this life doesn'thave to be this hard.
We can do something differentlybecause we've already reinvented
things before.
Yeah.
Right.
Stephanie (16:35):
So we'll just do it again.
Well, and I would say the sidebenefits, a couple of things I
learned very quickly when wemade this pivot.
So it was 30 minutes to mystudio.
Tracie (16:44):
Mm-hmm.
I
Stephanie (16:45):
always wanted to be there 20 minutes ahead.
Sure.
So let's just T tack on an hourbefore a class.
Tracie (16:52):
Mm-hmm.
Stephanie (16:52):
Sometimes I would have two classes in a row, but
often it would just be one classjust based on the need of the
clients.
Tracie (16:58):
Mm-hmm.
Stephanie (16:58):
So I was spending, let's call it.
Two hours a day, you're kindacleaning up afterwards and
getting back home.
Wait, and nobody ever just left,right?
Everybody wants to gab gab anddo the blah, blah blah.
Like Caterina would say.
So it, you know, it became thisextra two hours, which I loved
when I was there, but I quicklyrealized I literally have my
(17:20):
commute to the basement, or mycommute to my new studio is
three minutes.
Like, walk down, open my laptop.
Start.
Yeah, that's as simple as itgot.
So I think what I realized too,with that pivot and why I have
stayed virtually is I got backhours in the week.
(17:41):
Now, I will also say, and youand I have talked about this
personally, every time I driveby an empty space, I go, Ooh,
that would be such a great yogastudio.
Would be great.
It would be fabulous.
And I miss teaching in person.
But I do get to teach in personat my retreats.
So that's where I get to fillthat cup in that way.
And just continue to nurture myonline clients and build, you
(18:04):
know, that way
Tracie (18:05):
and bring them together in retreats and, you know, I
think the whole, Ooh, it's aspace.
Would that space be great?
Also comes from, for me it'sfrom being in corporate
facilities.
For you, you were openingrestaurants, right?
Yeah.
So you were always looking at anew space to maybe open a
restaurant.
In the same way that I wasmoving companies into these
pieces too.
So we have that other previousdraw towards what the It's all
(18:32):
about potential.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
Imagine what that could be like.
'cause we have this visionarysituation.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, so we've already kind oftouched on your big bold
decision that you made to becomea yoga teacher.
And you know what I love, but,but I see that as.
Literally just a step on thepath for you because you know,
(18:56):
you were already practicingnext, and I've considered in the
past being a Pilates teachertoo, for the same reason I'm
going to class three, four timesa week.
Clearly.
I enjoy it.
I'm good at it.
People like ask me questions.
You know, you have all of thiskind of potential for in people
who used to always assume that Iwas in teacher training and I
(19:17):
wasn't.
I knew since I was opening,gathered that I wasn't going to.
But the, the, it's, it's a verynatural progression because
you're already doing the hours,you just now have more pointed
kind of education about it.
But to take from becoming a yogateacher to doing a retreat like,
(19:41):
well, I guess it's like a party,but it's a, but you're just a
party planner.
Yeah.
And then going, and so it's allbeen a very natural, like add-on
kind of Yeah.
Process it seems, which I love.
Stephanie (19:55):
Yeah.
And, and what it's ended up forme, Tracie, what's, what's kind
of unfolded is the bonus of howmuch I love retreats now,
helping people plan retreats.
Helping people understand howthey can enjoy retreats and help
them with just the behind thescenes, right?
I'll do the bookings, I'll helpwith this, I'll help with that.
(20:16):
And then you go enjoy yourretreat.
You get to not worry about thatbusyness of what you know, all
the booking system is and allthat kinda stuff.
I'll do that for you.
Go have fun, be merry.
Take your, you know, have a goodtime.
Yeah.
So I think that I've been ableto meld the two and continue to
do what makes my body feel goodas I've aged, which is yoga.
Mm-hmm.
(20:36):
To continue to teach what Ilove.
And melding the two worlds iskind of the two core values that
I have or, and, and have alwayshad, but just kind of maybe
focused more on them as I'veaged is adventure and community.
Tracie (20:51):
Yeah.
And the health piece too.
So like you said, keep your bodyhealthy by doing the things that
it responds to, but clearly youstarted off with health being
the first thing.
Yeah.
It's just, and I, what it soundslike is it ends up being like
this underlying current, becausethe mental health aspect and the
(21:13):
adventure, to me, adventure ispart of health.
Stephanie (21:16):
Yeah.
Tracie (21:16):
If I'm not adventuring.
Or planning an adventure.
Yeah.
Then I'm depressed.
Like it's not, you know, there'sthere's a joy that comes from
that and health can come fromhaving that joy disposition.
So having that undercurrent ofhealth is like still there, even
though it manifests in communityand
Stephanie (21:38):
Yeah.
Well, and that's, I think that'swhy I had such a hard time with
COVID was feeling like I was injail when I love traveling, when
I love getting out and being incommunity.
It was so hard for me.
Yeah.
Connecting in other ways becamethe challenge, right?
Like, how can I continue to beonline more?
How can I, you know, thrive in acommunity online, which has now
been the side benefit of gettingto meet so many more people
(22:02):
throughout the country, and, youknow, the world, I would say.
Yep.
You, you can thrive in differentways in community.
Whether it be through the gathercommunity or, you know, all
different kinds of ways to plugin.
That's been the side benefitbecause as I've done all these
changes, we then, you know, hadsome personal changes and moved
back to Oregon where I had tostart over at, you know, age 58
(22:26):
trying to meet people again.
It's, it's a whole differentballgame.
So discovering community indifferent ways has been such an
adventure in itself.
Tracie (22:34):
Yeah, I love that.
And you're right, you can just.
You know, we don't, it's not aconscious thing to shift from
in-person to online.
We did it, but because we had todo it, but it was not anything
we ever would've chosen.
But you know what I realizedseveral months post start of
lockdown was that the wholepoint of having the in-person
(22:58):
space was not to have a room torent.
Which was the business right.
But the point was to bringpeople together was to build
community.
Right.
And like, you know, I alwaystell people, I'm like, I wanted
to have friends.
So that's why I built a placewhere I could bring friends and
Yeah, find friends.
And so realizing that byshifting that online is just a
(23:21):
different way of buildingcommunity and that, that was
always the point.
Stephanie (23:25):
Yeah.
In community.
Tracie (23:26):
And so whether for you with retreats, with teaching
yoga with, you know, not onlyhosting your own retreats, but
helping other people build theircommunity and being kind of a
part of that, whether youparticipate in the retreat or
are just there to help createthat community.
Mm-hmm.
And then, you know, you have awhole other arm of your business
(23:47):
that we can't talk about all ofthat this time today, which is
also building more communitiesso that people have that
capacity.
It's so, like you are I alwaystalk about the ripples in the
pond factor and how everyone'spebble that goes into the pond
is different size.
And so your ripples aredifferent sizes and some are big
(24:09):
and some are small.
But you literally have a hand ofpebbles.
You're not just a pebble, you'relike five pebbles because of all
of the different ways that you.
Build community and show up inthe world.
And I think that's a superpower.
So That's amazing.
Stephanie (24:25):
Yeah.
And the common theme througheverything right, is people, i
it's how I started my career.
It's how I built my career.
My businesses is people.
And that, whether it's onebusiness or the other business,
they all interconnect in onecommon theme.
It's community and people.
Yeah, it's my need for that.
One of the things I diddiscover, which was really
(24:45):
interesting about myself as I,as we went through COVID mostly,
is that I really am an ambivert,I unplug mm-hmm.
And do great at recharging, youknow, like having that personal
space.
But I do get charged up when I'mwith people.
Like, I feel so nourished andcomforted in mostly smaller
(25:06):
communities.
I feel like I do better in kindof that 15 to 20, mm-hmm.
25.
Mm-hmm.
Because I can know everybody,because I can then connect with
everybody, and know, you know,not have this unknown of these
big groups.
But I love, I just, I love it somuch.
The community and the adventureand the people.
Tracie (25:21):
Yep, yep.
Well that's, and that's whywe've become fast friends ever
since we met, because we arelike this in all of those
categories for sure.
You know, Stephanie, you'rehelping me.
We're connected in all theseother events and everything that
we have going on, and this ofcourse being a podcast, it's the
kind of evergreen kind of thing.
(25:41):
But given that we're here in themiddle, starting the summer of
2025, what's like, what do yousee?
I know you have specific tripsplanned for retreats, whether
they're yoga retreats or othertypes of things.
I'm really thrilled and excitedto be going with you to France
at the end of 2026.
(26:02):
So, you know, by the time thathappens, lots of people will
have heard this episode.
It'll have been out for over ayear.
So we can talk about that one,but like, what's your like dream
trip that you wanna bring peopleon that you haven't done yet?
Stephanie (26:18):
Well, I have this, it, it, in fact, I think
Caterina and I might have beentalking about it, but one of my
bucket list trips is to take agroup from one side of Canada to
the other side.
Oh yeah, we
Tracie (26:30):
keep talking about that.
'cause I wanna do that
Stephanie (26:32):
on the train.
I know.
We need to take a group on thetrain.
So I've already started theprocess.
I actually reached out, you knowme, I'm always planning.
I already started the process ofjust gathering the information.
There's a, it's called a trance.
Canadian tour, and I think it'sseven or eight days, so one side
to the other side, and then Ithink you fly home.
I don't, I I know you don't goback, right?
(26:53):
I'm sure.
Yeah.
It looks amazing.
And so I've, I've alreadystarted this like kind of
noodling what could this looklike and who would like to go
with and Yeah.
You know, it's, it's thechallenge with rail.
It's not like when you do a landtour where you can, or, or even
a river cruise or cruise whereyou can book it and then.
Slowly kind of noodle people.
(27:15):
When you do rail, you need toeither make payments and book a
big block is what I'mdiscovering.
Or have the set non of peoplethat are ready to go and then we
all book together.
We all book together.
So that's where the littlenuances of like, oh, okay, we
wanna go, who wants to go withme?
Like, do we have 15 people or 20people that wanna go that we
could book now?
Right.
(27:35):
Kind of think for a 2027,because one of the things I
really pride myself on isbooking.
At least 18 months to two yearsout.
Tracie (27:43):
Yeah.
So that people can really Plan.
Stephanie (27:45):
Plan,
Tracie (27:46):
yeah.
And
Stephanie (27:46):
not feel like, I can't afford that.
Sure.
You can, you make a deposit andthen just make, you know, small
payments and by the time you go,that trip is paid off and you
get to enjoy the adventure.
Yep.
Tracie (27:56):
Yeah.
Well I can't wait for that tocome to fruition.
And you're right, the, you know,doing what Katina would call the
pre-publication.
Yeah.
We're gonna do this.
This is what I'm looking at andI need people to start.
Yeah.
You know, anyway, that would bereally exciting.
And then of course, in ourpeople get a lot of the inside
(28:17):
scoop, right in our group text.
Someone starts talking about theOrient Express and we're all
excited again.
So yeah, good venture to
Stephanie (28:25):
come.
I'm dripping on that one too.
And one of my other bucket listrealtor.
I love the rail.
It's really fun to do railScotland.
There's a rail going acrossScotland that I really wanna
take a group on too, as
Tracie (28:36):
long as they have heaters.
I would love to see Scotlandfrom behind a window.
Stephanie (28:39):
Yeah, exactly.
Or right in July when it's the
Tracie (28:43):
warmest Yeah.
In that one my friend, we couldkeep talking about potential
adventure for hours, but we're,we're gonna have to just do a
new episode sometime in thefuture where we talk about what
already happened and what's onthe deck going forward.
So I just wanna thank you.
Thank you for all of that story.
I literally didn't know any ofthat beginning stuff, and I
(29:06):
think what I want.
Our listeners to recognize isthat no matter where you are, if
you go with the things thatreally light you up, you're
gonna end up somewhere amazingand recognizing that that, you
know, just hold onto the thing,hold onto those things and let
the rest kind of, you know, justevolve because it's only gonna
(29:29):
be amazing.
Stephanie (29:30):
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Tracie (29:32):
I love it.
Stephanie, thank you so much forbeing on the podcast and we will
talk again super soon.
Yeah.
Thank
Stephanie (29:37):
you so much my friend.
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