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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We were trying to make inks that you could print
directly on textiles. So the you know, the whole mission
has always been like soft flexible electronics E tex styles.
That's the goal, but the challenge is that they have
to be scalable, they have to be cheap, they have
to be robust.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
In this episode of the Bomb Engineering a Path Forward,
we're going to talk about the actual applications of the
e textiles and wearable tech, which are not quite like
some of the sci fi images you've probably seen. Rather
than something from a cyberpunk storybook. E textiles have found
a place in everything from seatwarmers and cars to robotics
with haptic feedback. Today we speak with Madison Maxie. She's
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the founder and CEO of Lumia, an e tex style
company redefining what's possible in flexible circuitry and electronics integrated fabrics.
We'll get a peek into Madison's predictions about the future
in the wearable electronics space and what she learned throughout
her five year journey to get Lumia off the ground.
This is my conversation with Madison Maxi and this is
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Speaker 1 (01:49):
Alumia we make soft and flexible electronics that can heat, light, sense,
and more so, we generally for customss. We have a
set of baseline patents. We customize our technology for customers,
and then we can manufacture in bulk. So like an
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example application might be, you know, if somebody is making
like a medical device and wants to streamline the cabling,
we can make them a custom part that's like a
wire harness replacement, and that thing could go to production. Yeah,
they're meant to be laminated onto textiles. But the part
that we make is actually like a it's like a
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composite material. It's like if you look at it, it
feels kind of like a rubber silicony thing on the surface.
So that's why get stuck to the fabric, and that's
what sort of becomes the eu textile.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
And so I know that you guys will do a
lot of, like you said, kind of custom consulting for
larger companies, but you also have awesome kind of prototype
off the shelf components that you manufacture as well that
people can buy on your store online, and I know
you produce a lot of kind of educational content around
these components. Could you tell us a little bit more
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about kind of how Lumia divides the work that you
all are focused on, or what that split is across
those kind of different customers or clients.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
You could say, I.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Would say like ninety five percent of our customer base
is companies that have at least like ten people or more,
mostly large companies, and then five percent might be like
wild card, you know, startup or something like that. In
terms of our customer base, which is kind of what
we spend the most time on and these prototyping parts,
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I think that they're good for the DIY community, but
we really like design them with our customers in mind,
because when an engineer from a company is buying a
new material, they always want to touch something, they want
to feel something, They you know, need to evaluate if
it's right for their needs. So they put typing parts
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we send to our corporate customers that they can see
if the products write for them, but we also make
them available for prototypers or you know, DIY or students
whoever wants to use them.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Can you give us a few examples of what exactly
Lumia has been a part of as far as specific
applications or ways that it's been incorporated into a product.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Like so in terms of the ones that are public
that we can share. We were part of this robot
called the Bionics soft Arm. It's developed by Faster It
is a big German robotics company, and we made a
pressure matrix for the end effector of the robots. Basically
like the end of the robot is at hand and
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if you use fox PCBs or wires for sensors on
the hand, they don't have the right mechanics. So they
used our material to basically make a glove that goes
on the robot and the glove gives the robot a
sense of touch. That was a really fun project. I
think it was like a cool example of how etech
styles can be used to down in some of these
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places that you wouldn't necessarily expect. We also have done
some We did some interiors or a concept car interior
development for Hyndaikia and so that was in one of
the concept cars that they showed in Korea, and it
was for door panel integration.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
So it's like a lot of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
These little sort of corners of different products and we'll
make a component for it.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Awesome. No, that's I think helpful for our audience to
kind of visualize where you know, these places might go
and bring it a little bit more to reality rather
than I think some of the sci fi places that
people imagine when they hear you know, e tex styles
or things that are more integrated into softer materials and
this kind of thing. And so I'd love to hear
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more about kind of your journey to founding Lumia and
getting into material science and engineering. I was lucky enough
to visit you at Stanford a couple of years ago,
and yeah, how did you get into this? You know,
as far back as you feel like going, but a
little bit of how you you know, found this curiosity
for this sort of thing and then decided to take
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the leap too to start a company.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Yeah, it's nice you could meet there.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I mean, I did my undergrad late, so I was
doing the you know, the undergrads luck and I'm glad
that that's done now. But I feel like kind of
the course that I've always really liked making things and
understanding how things are made, like putting products together. I
started out, you know, we had a sewing machine at
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my house. Was like, great, I'll make clothes. I want
to go into design, and I really kind of like
dedicated myself as much as I could to learning the craft.
So I was really into all the stitches and the
fibers and like all of the mechanics of making a
gard you know, like there's a lot that goes into it.
Sometimes you need certain installations. I wanted to know what
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all of them were about. Uh. And then I got
to design school and some of the students there it
was their first time using a sewing machine, and I
was like, I really want to learn something new, Like
I want to like be pushed and really challenged. And
so I decided to take programming classes because I wanted
to make a website. That was more of what got
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me into the technology side of things. And then I
think after the programming classes, like my friend introduced me,
charaged me. Now I was like, oh, this is super interesting.
I could make more stuff with this. So it was
always just kind of like one foot in front of
the other and I would kind of think of something
I wanted to work on but I didn't quite have
all the skills for and then I would, you know,
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try and figure it out or try and make a prototype.
I would say, material science and engineering really started entering
the picture because I was doing a lot of that.
This was like, you know, in the subject of wearribles.
I was doing a lot of like wearrible time technology
prototypes for companies, and it was very hard to scale
them because you needed a soft, flexible circuit to really
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bring them to market, and at that point it was
a little bit difficult to find them. So I started
working on this conductive inks project during a residency I
was doing at Autodesk, and one of the material scientists
there was nice enough to take time with me to
mix together conductive in formulas and work with materials, and
I just sat His job was really cool. I wanted
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to make more inks, so I was like, I should
do material signs, and we also ended up getting funding
to further develop this inks. That's a lot of how
Lumia truly started. It was very much so a kind
of like an exploratory process where I kept following curiosity
and then at some point someone was willing to invest
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some money to take something in a specific direction, and
so I was like, great, why not. I think, like
looking back on things, it wasn't like a normal startup
journey where I think sometimes people are like, oh, there's
a market opportunity in cups, I'm going to go make
cups and sell them. It was very much so like
a more fluid process for better or for worse.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
When Lemia started, you mentioned the kind of e ink project.
Were you guys making inks at first or what was
kind of the the first direction of Lumiar By that time,
had you decided for sure that it was going to
be more in the e tex style space.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
We were trying to make inks that you could print
directly on textiles. So the you know, the whole mission
has always been like soft flexible electronics etex styles. That's
the goal, but the challenge is that they have to
be scalable, they have to be cheap, they have to
be robust, and so we were thinking that inks could
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take us in that direction. So we actually had a
centripical mixer in the studio, which was like one of
my favorite tools.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I can imagine.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
It's really cool.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
You just like put all the ingredients in and it
like slashes this tube around until you have like a
homogeneous mixture. And so we were using that to sort
of like mix up these silver particle inks and like
print them on textiles. And I ended up working with
someone who I knew from Autodesk, and he was really
good at building syringe extruders, like like a CNC syringe
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extrusion machine. So he built this plotter and we would
like mix up our ink and pour it in the
plotter and then it would extrude it into a circuit
pattern on a fabric. It was super cool. But I
think that the problem with that is that that's not
I mean, I guess it could be scalable, but you
have to like build a ton of these machines to
make that scalable, and you need a lot of money
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to build all those machines, and our conducted the ink
would also crack sometimes and silver particles are really expensive.
So we eventually, I'm not sure like when the turning
point was, but at some point we were like, maybe
we should do something else. But that's where that was
the first reach out, that was our first approach.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
I think that's you know, that happens a lot kind
of in different startup journeys We've heard. Of course, you know,
you have to kind of try something and then figure
out what's next from there. It's not very often that
it's like the first thing, the first idea, you know,
takes you all the way to where you are now necessarily,
but it does as far as like it's an evolution, right,
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it informed the next step. I'm sure that you all took.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Yeah, it really didn't.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I appreciate that you said that, because I do think
there's that saying like how do you eat elevant one
bite out a time, and it's like the first few
bites are probably just figuring out like what it tastes
like and what you're eating and like maybe you shouldn't
start with the feed, or you know, you're kind of
like building your strategies. I think making something news a
lot of that where it's like the first attempt is
maybe just like trash, but it teaches. It taught me
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all the stuff that I didn't think about and didn't know,
and that helped inform the rest.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I was wondering, you know, you've now been in this
work for over ten years. What are some of the
most exciting things you've seen advance in etech styles and
the kind of the industry at large that you're excited
about or you know your team is excited about that
you've seen.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
I said, there are so many things that I'm excited about.
I feel like what I love seeing is all of
these different groups sort of doing their part in order
to make the industry more established and grow. So there
are standard agencies or this one called IPC, which is
meant to do electronics. You're nodding, I'm sure you know
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about ip obviously, Yeah, And so they're doing a lot
of etech style standards and it's like this work started
maybe I don't know, maybe like eight years ago or something,
and now the standards are really coming out and people
are looking at them and they're discussing them.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
That's really exciting.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
And then also a lot of these different new electronic
form factors need certain dielectrics or insulators to actually make
the full system, and so a lot of the film
companies are working on development that support these kinds of materials,
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and then inc companies are working on conductive beings, and
connector companies are making connectors, and I think I really
like seeing how people who are kind of like specialists
and experts in certain directions are kind of like turning
their focus ten percent to make something that can help
and support this industry. I think like those are sort
of the material and component side of things that I
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really enjoy and I think are interesting. And then there's
also the business side of things, where there's always sort
of the question of what are these materials used for?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Who wants them?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
And I think a lot of the business cases are
really starting to come together, and it's interesting to see
people understanding like, oh, these materials are useful for end
effector sensing. They're useful for AIRIVII, they're useful for cable management,
they're useful for auto interiors and surface heating and all
of these things that were not obvious ten years ago.
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You know, I think everybody thought we were just going
to have sci fi clothes. And I love when we
get a customer call and they're like, we have a pipe.
Can you wrap this around our pipe and make it warm?
And I'm like, that's cool. That's a real use case.
Generally they have a reason. They're like, oh, the band
radius to this other product just isn't you know, it's
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not tight enough. I'm like, cool, you have a reason,
you have a need. The pipe needs warming. You know,
we can do that. So I think seeing these really
sort of grounded use cases come out or things that
I also.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Like, we're going to take a quick break. When we
come back, Madison gives us her playbook for connecting Lumia
with the companies that need their products. Welcome back to
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the Bomb Engineer, Sharing a Path Forward. I'm your host,
Magenta Stronghert. When we left off, Madison was explaining the
specific types of textiles Lumia works with, the limited options
that are out there, and how this illustrates that there's
still so much opportunity in the field of wearable tech.
Now we look at how the broader goals of wearables
are often at odds with various companies and even the
US Patent Office. You know, I'm interested to kind of here,
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with there being more connectors and kind of components available
out there, how does Lumia continue to differentiate and kind
of compete in the market since there are more and
more companies getting involved or expanding their product lines in
this space. But you guys have really been in this
industry for a long time as well developing, So.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think that there are a
lot of different approaches to making each tech style and
so I think and they're all goods for different things.
Like I think our technology as a composite is something
that's laminated is very appealing for like more industrial applications,
And there are some companies that do more thread based
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technologies that are very appealing for garment based applications because.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Of how they feel.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
So I feel like that's kind of one key differentiator
is that sort of the things that our material tends
to be best at is not always what everyone is doing,
you know. I think in terms of competition, if somebody
cheeses one of our competitors over us so it's a
good chance that their technology performs in ways that are
different and are like more suited for the application than ours.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
So it's just kind of that like natural.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Division, and so knowing what our technology is good at
it and focusing on that I think helps us to
stay competitive. But as far as we know, we're the
only company using this particular technique and who provides services
around it. And I think that that's sort of part
of the business model where it's like, you know, if
one of our customers wants a custom like HI component
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for automotive, you know, we have a six or twelve
week timeline, We have manufacturing set up, we have certain
fixed cost structures, we have a process in place that
it's sort of easy for them to engage with us
and get out what they need. And I think that
that also helps to set us apart because that takes
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a long time to develop, you know, kind of having
that insight and knowing what the customer needs takes some time.
So I think that sometimes for the companies that are
very need to the space, they haven't gotten the reps
in that sort of like baseline of the customer needs.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Absolutely, I think those are really excellent points, and I
love that you also highlighted the kind of service you
provide and the business model is also important in addition
to the kind of original technology that you offer, of course,
and I think that that's something that you know, a
lot of people can be overwhelmed or intimidated by when
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thinking about starting a company or scaling you know, a
solution they've developed. Is obviously you worry about the competition
and the market and that sort of thing. But I
do think something that we see time and time again,
of course, is what really builds a loyal customer base
is the way that companies of course work with their
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customers and the kind of like you said that the
service that's provided is what makes people choose, you know,
one or the over the other. Even if we think
about like daily decisions of companies we choose to interact with, right,
it's like the people behind the company or what we
see kind of our experience, the customer experience, of course,
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And so I think that's important to not forget sometimes
even if a technology is incredible, if the service is terrible,
like people are not going to want to use it,
you know, I really value that you kind of pointed
out both those sides, but of course the technology you
do have is also pretty amazing, and you are the
lead inventor of six granted patents, which is pretty awesome.
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And I'd love to hear just kind of your experience
with the patent process and how you think the system
you know, is working overall, especially when it comes to
how quickly technology is moving in.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
The startup world.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
I'd just love to hear your perspective on that.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Yeah, but thank you, And yeah, I mean, I.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Really like the USVTO, so I'm not, you know, nothing
against them as an organization, but I think nowadays, you know,
especially US for such a small company, that if one
of our clients doesn't respect our IP like, we're probably
not gonna see them, I don't, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
I know that's like one of the.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Core parts is like this legal and financial right to
what you're doing is what the patent is supposed to
grant you. But there are many cases where I think
people cannot exercise or choose not to exercise that right.
You know. Also, if you are an individual inventor, some
big company reads your patent rips it off, You're probably
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not going to go after them unless you just like
really have a lot of money to work with, which
I think makes this like class hierarchy for individual inventors.
You know, it's not the same like romantic story that
like the patent office I think used to have requirements
that you had to actually build out a prototype and
like bring it to the office and be like, look
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it works, and they'd be.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Like, okay, you can have a pattern. I think now
you can.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Well, now you can just have an idea and like
make make some stuff up that nobody else has made up,
maybe and you can get a pad for it, and
maybe you never test and it doesn't work, but somebody
else figures out a way to make it work, and
if there's not patentable content in there, then it's still yours,
so you know, for better for worse. I think you
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shouldn't be able to do that, in my opinion, because
I feel like the challenge is actually making things work
functionally most of the time. But anyways, that's why I
like long Spiel. But what I think for most small companies, especially,
the value of a pattern is more marketing and it's
more in the negotiation chair, where if you don't have
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a pattern, a big company will be like why why
would I work with you. You don't have any special staff,
but if you have patents, you're like, we have some
special staff, you should work with us, and they can
tell their bosses that you have this special staff, and
then you can negotiate in like these kind of soft
value ways that you can't do without intellectual property.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
I think that's actually really insightful, the kind of negotiation piece,
because I do think that a lot of people, you know,
have heard the stories and kind of feel like you
do as far as if you're a smaller player against
a huge company, you're not going to sue them, or
it's not going to be worth kind of the resources
to go down that path, and so a lot of
people might think, Okay, so what is you know, the
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value here? Why kind of bother doing it? And I
think that negotiation piece is huge and obviously can result
in more money, of course, which is important, but it
also just kind of, like you said, legitimizes the value
of the technology, the product, or you know, what you're
kind of working with, so things. I think that's actually
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really helpful to kind of hear and talk through. But
I have a few more questions. This is maybe kind
of a fun silly one. But are there any examples
of technology that you remember reading about or seeing as
a kid in a movie, or something that exists today
and you're kind of surprised or excited about that, or
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it can be the opposite direction, kind of anything you
remember that you can't believe doesn't exist yet.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I do think that the AI staff people have their
different views, but especially like that Zora. I think that
when I was a kid, you just kind of thought
that computers were already magic and that they could just
do more magic, and they were doing like Oregon Trail
kind of stuff. It was nowhere near what it is today,
but I know we all thought that it would be
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something where you could like talk to your computer, and
now you can with some of these chat programs.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
I think is pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Also, not necessarily when I was a kid, but when
I was a teenager, my dad was watching these bitcoin
documentaries with me, and I think that I just like
didn't have enough wherewithal our information to know how to
process and use this information. But it is really interesting
now to see this idea of like where something starts
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and where it finishes. It's very hard to understand the
first time you see something starting. But I feel like
seeing these bitcoin documentaries is one of those things where
I was like, oh, what is this weird stuff? And
now you know, even though it's a crazy industry, it's
worth like sixty k coin today and just to be
like wow, it went from that. I mean at that
point it was like ten cents a coin. It's kind
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of something that like sticks with me to be like
you that's where something starts, like, that's sort of the seed.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I did want to talk a little bit about right
to repair because I think that obviously it's a big
topic of conversation these days, but also when I think
about electronics being integrated into surfaces and materials, it seems
a little like it'll be less and less kind of
accessible to repair, right, like even more kind of black
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box hidden behind, you know, something you can't open or
take apart or that sort of thing. And I just wonder,
you know, Pallumia, and how you kind of think about
right to repair in general, and then if you want
as far as it goes for your products and how
you're developing things as well.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
That's a great question. I'm definitely in support of right
to repair. I feel like there's the environmental side of it,
which is kind of the most obvious, probably meaningful, but
I feel like there's also sort of a personal emotional
side of it, where I think that feeling that you
get from being like I've had these boots for ten
years and they've done all this stuff with me, and
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every time the soul gets ruined, I get them repaired.
Like there's something really special about having objects that matter
to you. And for electronic devices, I mean, they're so
expensive to produce and so damaging to produce, that at
least like making it so you can fix them and
have a relationship beyond just like trying to check them
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somewhere I think is super.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Important and meaningful.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
But I also feel like the economic incentives are generally
not there in the US, Like why would you ever
want someone to fix their thing when you could sell
them a new one and make more money, which is
like with our entire structure it's built on. So I
feel like often that's sort of the issue in the
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US with these kinds of things. It's like if the
entire incentive is to make more money, it's very hard
to push this kind of legislation, even like even if
it's just going to be like a legal requirement. It's
to push. But I mean in terms of our product,
I hear you bring up a great question. We talk
about this a lot, especially for our automotive customers, to
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have a general goal of decobnizing by twenty forty or
twenty fifty. So idea is what happens at end of
life when the switch package is directly laminated to the trend,
Like you can't recycle the textile, you cannot remove the
switch package. It's kind of these things that you are
saying where it's more embedded in the materials and it's
really challenging. And so I think for us, we try
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and to sort of have two lanes that the product
can take. One it is laminated in, but the other
one is sown in, which lets it be something that's
easier to remove at the end of life. But also
these things are still like they need a lot more work,
you know in theory where like you can remove it,
but it's like we lose it the recycling facility. If
you want to repair your product, how can you get
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a new switch package from us as Lumia, You probably
can't because we don't sell that.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
There's not a complete.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Solution yet, so I think it's it's a place for
just like more work needs to be done.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah, thank you for covering those different bases. I think
it is a difficult question to answer, of course, but
it's great to hear that Lumia is considering kind of
a full product life cycle, anticipating kind of customers needs
over time. And I think the point you know, you
bring up about legislation is key, of course, like there
needs to be different incentives for it to really be
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thought about in a long term, kind of scalable way.
So hopefully you know, there'll be more progress, but like
you said, more and more companies. I think you're kind
of thinking about this, and you know Europe has had
some successful legislation in this regard, so it'll be interesting
to see how that all evolves. All right, Last, but
not least, we just have two last questions here. What's
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one non technology related thing that is inspiring you these days?
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Kind of a hard one, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
I mean I always really love like architecture and interesting
design in different places, and so you know, yesterday I
was in downtown I was in downtown Detroit, and there's
a lot of different murals, and I think looking at
them is just kind of like inspiring, it gets you
out of your head.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
And I also mentioned roller skating.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
I don't know, like some of these people are so good,
especially in Detroit, Like if you go to the only
adult adult skate night, they're just like the most impressive
skaters and it brings them so much joy, And this
brings me joy, and it's just kind of like a
I don't know, it's like an athletic feet combined with
like the fun and excitement of dance. So I always
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really enjoy watching people who are great at skating go skating.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
It's very inspiring, so fun to watch good roller skaters.
They're so greatful. It really is just like dancing on
water or something. It's amazing, and I do not have
skills in that realm, so I'm always super extra impressed,
I would say. And then yes, of course architecture and
public art and that sort of thing can be really inspiring.
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So I love all of those examples. And lastly, what
is on your personal bill of materials?
Speaker 1 (29:21):
You know, we were talking about how you're traveling so much,
and I feel like when you're young, like very young.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
You kind of don't.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
At least I feel like I didn't have a personal
bill of materials. I just like did whatever and it
was fine. And I'm getting older and I definitely think
eating like delicious food is part of my personal bill
of materials. Like if I could only have salads, I
think I would be sad.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
That is so real, eating things that are really tasty,
drinking things that are fun to drink, taking like I
really enjoy walking.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I think going on like a long walk and exploring
somewhere new is really fine. I don't know, just kind
of like simple things, simple things that make you happy
are important to me outside of food.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
I love that you specified delicious food. I thought for
a second you were gonna say, you know, like when
you're younger, you don't really prioritize like nutritious food, but
it's really important, you know, to get certain of these
things for your brain power whatever. But I love it
as delicious food because that is also important. I think,
like you know, it can be totally mood boosting too,
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and if you don't eat something good all day, it
can be a downer. So I definitely relate to that,
and walks are always good as well. And again now
I'm like a broken record with this question because everyone
gives such unique answers. I'm always like, wow, we haven't
had that answer yet, but we really haven't. I don't
think anyone's mentioned delicious food for that question. So I
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need to start like a running list of all the
answers because I'm amazed what a nice range of responses
we get. So I'm proud of that question obviously. Thank
you so much, Maddie. I think we covered a lot
of interesting ground and it's always a pleasure to be
able to catch up, and I think that our audience
has learned a lot from this conversation.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Well, thanks a lot for having me AGENTA thank you.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
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Speaker 4 (32:20):
What