February 24, 2025 • 30 mins
A Tale of Two Endings
BOOKCLUB TIME!!
Exploring the intricate layers of "A Dowry of Blood" by ST Gibson (where we discuss the whole book) this episode delves into the differences between indie and traditionally published editions, revealing how these variations affect character arcs and emotional depth. Join us as we dissect the poetic writing and transformative themes surrounding love and betrayal in a uniquely vampiric tale.
• Deep dive into the poetic writing style and its emotional resonance
• Comparing indie vs. traditional publishing editions
• Discussing the impact of narrative changes on character dynamics
• Highlighting emotional experiences rooted in the story
• Previewing upcoming literary works like "Education of Malice"
So grab a warm drink and come join us on the vampy side!
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Jordan (00:07):
welcome to the bookish hour with jor and fab a very, a
very significant half of thisvery good and gracious podcast.
Fabienne (00:16):
I do not know where that came from I love
professional amateurs over heredid you know?
Jordan (00:23):
well, I mean, yes, obviously, let that sink in just
for like a little second orlike a small second, a short
second, however you want to putit.
But did you know that amateur,by the way, um, we have like
such a negative connotation, notyou and I, we, but like we is
like a general consensus,consensus, like people have such
a negative um thought when theythink of like amateurs, like
(00:45):
you know, if you see people likedoing something stupid or like
wrong or like incorrectly,amateurs, right, but amateurs
apparently stems and do notquote me like as in verbatim,
because I read it a long timeago but apparently amateur stems
from a greek root, or like alatin word which basically means
, or roughly translates to,doing it for the love, or like
(01:08):
the passion of um loving thething.
In a nutshell, it's maybe alittle bit vague I didn't, but
it's more of that.
Let me just let me just actuallyjust look it up now, because I
don't want to have this.
Come, come back and like biteme in the ass and everything.
Amateur.
Do I spell the same in Englishas I do in Dutch?
(01:30):
Amateur, yes, I do interesting.
Fabienne (01:34):
Oh, that's another word that now I know, the Dutch
word, literally the same wateris also pretty much the same
that helps me a lot, exceptyou'll have some words like of
is your or that confuses me yeah, no, I get that try for a sec
(01:57):
way.
Jordan (01:58):
I can't find one.
I think I had one fall.
Fabienne (02:03):
Witches that works.
Vampires that works, I think.
Jordan (02:06):
I had one when Winky fall witches that works,
vampires Vampires that works,that works.
Yes, we are once again talkingabout vampires and because this
episode comes out logicallyafter our previous one, which
was part one of A Dowry of Blood, we are now discussing the
entire book.
Fabienne (02:23):
Yes.
Jordan (02:30):
Okay, first thoughts go, I loved it, but, okay, give it
to me.
No, I I love, I love thewriting of this one.
Like it felt so obviously likepoetic, and I feel like that
even that doesn't even comeclose to actually explaining how
this book was written or likehow it felt reading the book,
but it was truly magnificent.
But I feel like at some timesit was maybe a bit superfluous
(02:54):
in the sense of like it was tooflowery and nothing really
happened in like I don't want tosay a chapter, but like in an
entry of sorts.
But I still enjoyed again theway how it was written.
However, what did disappoint me, actually disappoint me, was
the fact and you, you, youremarked on it after, um, after
(03:14):
when I have read it, or had readit, I should say the ending in
the indie book, like the indiepublished, the self-published
book, turns out to be and I seeit as lightly a little different
than the traditionallypublished one.
Isn't that correct, jewel?
Fabienne (03:32):
yep insert it's so tough because, if you like I
don't know how because we kindof talked about this, like you
were saying, before this podcast, which is not something I
typically want to do but I feltlike, as I was reading this one,
I felt like it kind of neededto be done and I don't know if
(03:53):
it, like I should have not inthe sense of like maybe I should
have just made you read theindie edition, because I kind of
had you go back and read likethe last couple chapters, which
I don't know if you did or not,but then I kind of told you the
ending and I don't know if it'sspecifically the ending or if
it's the fact that everythingleading up to it, then you
(04:17):
finally have something, so likewhen you read.
So we read the Red Hook edition, which is like the more recent
edition, which is thetraditionally published edition.
And you know you probably haveto rewrite things and maybe
another look at edits and stuff.
But I don't think I expected somuch change in it.
(04:38):
But if you kind of understandand but if you you kind of
understand, so hopefully thismight spoil things if you don't
read the, if you didn't read theindie edition.
But in this edition you havethe encore of roses.
So it's all from Alexi's pointof view which kind of makes
(04:59):
sense on why she changed theending from the indie edition,
because then the indie edition,basically this whole time you
don't know what time frame it isand that's why I was like
there's no dates.
But then as I'm reading, I'mlike there's more and more dates
.
I'm like what, what, what'sgoing on here?
I'm so confused, yeah, but youdon't really have any dates.
(05:19):
Maybe you have a few thingslike like here and there, of
like kind of nods of where andwhen it is, but nothing concrete
.
And then basically you get tothe ending and he's getting on a
boat, and then she says thathe's getting on the Titanic.
So you're like, oh my gosh,like it's 1912.
(05:41):
And yeah, and like you, justit's like kind of like you
finally have something.
So it's so exciting.
Where I think I was just sodisappointed in this one because
there's that one entry whereit's 1919 and it's you.
(06:04):
You know that anastasia and herfamily was just killed and I
was like, wait a minute, likethis is already completely
changing the ending because,like, clearly the titanic
already happened.
So I was a little disappointedbecause I also really liked the
ending in the way of they justparted ways, they just like
(06:25):
they're each going down theirown paths, but then this, this
is like the HEA.
So it's like, if you needHappily Ever After, this is the
edition you want.
Jordan (06:36):
Yeah, I feel like in that regard too, the Red Hook
book, like the traditionallypublished edition, makes it like
it changes the entire genre.
Remember when we talked brieflyabout in a different episode
like a long time ago, how thereare love stories, like romantic
love stories, and there is likea romance story.
(06:59):
In a romance they have likehappily ever afters, like you
know, like the main charactersthey stay together, etc.
But in a love story it could belike a tragic ending.
Um, and I feel like that the inthe published one supposed, or
like originally, was um supposedto be just a love story but
(07:21):
then it'll be.
Fabienne (07:22):
In a way it's almost, but it's like not even a love
story.
It's almost like the only thingthat's holding them together is
their lord.
That's the only reason whythey're together.
So it almost makes sense thathe dies.
They go different ways, becausewhy?
Why would they've survived thistrauma?
(07:45):
And it's like now that the gluethat's holding them together
goes away.
But the biggest thing is Idon't know if you want me to
tell you, but the way he diedwas not the way he died in the
indie edition.
Jordan (08:02):
Yeah, fuck off, really no, I want no, tell me.
Fabienne (08:08):
Okay, now tell me honestly like, don't, I'm so
glad you have the indie editionand when you read it in like a
year or two or whatever, youhave to tell me and you have to
give me all the details.
Granted, I could be wrong on alot of these things, but I swear
the way he died is not.
I know it's not way and fromwhat my memory of two years ago,
(08:29):
this is like what I remember.
But remember how we weretalking about like this
edition's not as erotic, it'snot as like smutty and spicy,
mm-hmm.
Jordan (08:39):
I mean, it's very sensual and very romantic and I
feel like a lot of scenes areactually written in the sense
that I would love to read a sexscene to be, but like parts, if
you will, are not like named.
Nothing is like he's slingingor it's more like they're
kissing and there's like touchesand like honestly, that's kind
of like how it is in the indieedition.
Fabienne (08:58):
There's just more, but the way he died, the way he
died was not with a stake, itwas actually, um, like more
sensual.
It was the way it started, withthem like starting to have like
a group thing, same way, butthen they all bite him and
basically drain him of his blood.
(09:20):
But like, think of it moreerotically, type done that is a
completely different route.
yes, it's done so well, but likebasically, which, you know how?
She goes down to his lair andshe's like reading on, like can
he be killed?
And it's like, yes, he can.
And then the other thing,knowing they they won't die when
he dies, which honestly I neverreally understood the first
(09:46):
time because I'm like you knowif he dies you won't die,
because you know he killed hissire, so you should know that.
But I can't remember if we knewthat from the indie edition or
not, or if that didn't even comeup during the death.
But I to where it was like theydrained him of his blood by
like biting him, biting him, andthen she became really strong,
(10:07):
kind of like at least they.
She took the same path of likeher biting them, all biting him
afterwards, but it was likeduring it.
So he was getting more and moreweak and it like took him a
minute to realize that they werelike killing him, because he
was almost like thought it wasthis, was this like sensual act
of like before sex, and thenhe's like wait, I'm like really
(10:31):
weak, and then they justcontinued to drain him, like it
was actually so much better,because that feels like more of
a betrayal than the steak I knowI was, so why the hell was the?
Jordan (10:43):
steak, then why the hell was that removed and a stake?
Fabienne (10:47):
I guess I'm just thinking it was because of like
it being traditionally published.
Maybe it was like too much,like too much like blood play or
something which it's not eventhey're vampires but I was just
like so sad.
Jordan (11:03):
The first half of this book is like exactly the same
though that is interestingactually, Because apparently a
lot of things change at the 50%mark.
I feel like even.
Fabienne (11:18):
Because you know how I didn't totally read up to the
part that I was supposed to forthe first half, oh yeah.
Jordan (11:25):
Yeah, you didn't do your homework, that's fine.
Fabienne (11:27):
Yeah, that was my bad for the first, oh, yeah, yeah,
yeah, you didn't do yourhomework, that's fine.
Yeah, that was my bad, but andI think I would have kind of
picked up on things, because Iwas kind of picking up on things
not being totally the same, butI think I would have, just
because I know I don't totallyremember all the details because
it was two years ago at thispoint, but then as I'm like
reading the second, second half,I'm like no, no, oh, but it's
(11:47):
still such a good story.
It's just I think it's tough ifyou were to just read this one.
I think it's different.
So, like I, you have like adifferent experience than I did,
I know, but I'm still.
Jordan (12:00):
I'm making you read the indie edition oh no, I know, I
know I and I will read it,because now I'm actually really
interested to see, or like howto, yeah, to see, like how his
death will play out in the indieedition.
Fabienne (12:13):
And just wait for like these details to kind of die
off and you have like almost afresh mind.
Because I need you to read itfrom the beginning, because I
feel like that's what makes itlike, or else I would just be
like I'll read from like 50% on,but I feel like you need the
full experience yes, mom, we'lldo that.
Jordan (12:31):
I will notify you once I have.
Thank you, I do have this.
Fabienne (12:37):
Thank you, I do have to say the encore of roses I did
really I did like it for forwhat it's worth at, got like a
little bit extra of like uh, youdid.
Jordan (12:50):
See, oh, it makes me sound like I, but she changed
the ending on me?
No, I know, but I mean like butdid you actually enjoy the
encore of Roses?
Because I felt like it was soout of the blue.
I'd rather have seen, I wouldrather have like read an
epilogue, or like an additionalentry from Magdalena's part,
(13:10):
from like how she met the Lord,because that was never clarified
, or maybe even from like theLord himself, like how he came
to be, or like insight into hislair, you know, like what he was
doing for research andeverything.
I did wonder why she picked him.
Fabienne (13:31):
Maybe like his muse, so to say, he came more like
easily to her true, I mean,maybe she was like I'm not
killing you off in this edition,so like you should get your own
pov I did find him very cute,though he was very lively,
ironically.
Yeah, I actually did reallylike his point of view, just
(13:53):
because I don't know it was cute, it was cute.
I am still super excited forother books, though.
Jordan (14:02):
You said one was coming actually pretty soon, right, and
it was a sort of interconnectedI don't want to say
interconnected standalone, butit was like in the same world it
took place, or something.
Fabienne (14:16):
I don't think it's not as this one, but I think there
is like an education of malicewhich I think is sapphic.
Yeah, that's the one, and it'scoming out in February, I think,
oh okay, I think it's sapphic.
Jordan (14:37):
Oh yeah, then we can read it maybe together here when
you're here in the Netherlands,in Amsterdam, sorry.
Fabienne (14:45):
Amsterdam.
Jordan (14:47):
I'm going gonna circle that.
I'm gonna circle that.
One date like in, so so manylike blue lines and like red
stripes and everything.
Just circle that bad boy on thecalendar.
We're here, underline,underline, underline.
Fabienne (15:03):
I'm so excited yes it's only an 8 hour flight too,
it's not even that bad.
It's not even that bad.
I mean, I'm so excited.
Jordan (15:10):
Yes, it's only an eight-hour flight too.
It's not even that bad.
It's not even that bad.
No, no, no.
Fabienne (15:14):
It's, it's, I mean, I mean it's not that great.
Jordan (15:19):
It is okay.
Fabienne (15:21):
I think it's going to be the time difference, it's the
time change.
Jordan (15:23):
That's like the big yeah , but you have yeah, but babe
you have a red flight, is whatyou call it Like a red eye, or I
don't know how you say it?
You can sleep as much aspossible, of course, because
that's always a tricky thing,like on, you know, like during
the flight, and then get hereall like fresh and fruity and
take you out for mimosas andpancakes.
Fabienne (15:43):
Mimosas oh.
Jordan (15:47):
And bacon.
I like a hot steaming cup withcoffee ready for you at the
airport, at the rivals.
Yeah, um, yeah, but Idefinitely plan on sleeping talk
(16:13):
.
I'm still gonna get like theindie edition of like a jar of
blood, because I want to look atthe.
The actual last page, though,because we have.
Can you still hear me?
Okay?
Yes, you can interesting.
Okay, so in the edition is hereyou can Interesting.
Fabienne (16:28):
Okay, so India Dishes here.
Oh, and that cover.
I really like that cover too.
Jordan (16:34):
Yeah.
But I do like this cover toothough I like this cover, I like
the blood smear across her eyesMe too?
Um fuck, where is the?
I don't.
Can you double check if we havelike a very last entry that's
here in the in addition is fromon stanta constata constance,
(16:58):
her pov, where she says and so,my love, we have come to the end
of our lives together.
Is that in the published, wow,the written.
She has crossed the record booktoo.
Fabienne (17:11):
Let's see, let's see, let's see, let's see.
So what was the last line?
What was the last line?
Well, not necessarily the lastline, but it's the last entry
where she says and so, my love,we have come to the end of our
lives together yes, that is atthe beginning of the last entry
(17:33):
before the encore of roses okay,okay, because it makes more
sense to have the book end here.
Jordan (17:47):
Let's just go with like the indie book is like the canon
one, and then the red hook book, the, you know, like the
traditionally published ortraditional published book is
just extra.
Fabienne (17:58):
So, yes, I feel like the people that need an hea.
This is the edition you want toread the red hook,
traditionally published edition.
If you just want a not a lovestory, but not a love story in a
way, then you want to read theindie edition.
But, granted, I don't know ifyou can even get that edition
(18:20):
anymore, so you might not beable to.
But I feel like it kind ofdepends on, like, what you want
out of a story you have choicesnow.
Jordan (18:30):
Who doesn't love choices ?
Fabienne (18:32):
we all love choices we , we love options and choices
yes, we do.
Jordan (18:39):
I'm also screaming very quickly through that last entry.
Moments later, he leaned overthe railing of the ship,
snatching off his head andwaving at us.
Moments later, he leaned overthe railing of the ship,
snatching off his hat and wavingat us.
I can't.
I think I did see Titanic, butI might have just like imagined
it because you said it and weheard through the war of noise
(19:02):
and busts swirling around us aswe looked for Alexi's ship.
Ship, ship, ship, ship, ship.
Do you have your ticket?
Titanic, the fuck, I don't seeit here.
Fabienne (19:14):
You don't Because I.
So I remember buddy reading itwith Jesse at the time and I
remember being specifically soexcited, being like, oh my God,
he got on the Titanic.
Jordan (19:25):
But isn't it just like putting two and two together?
Because you know like shipslike actual, like iron, sort,
iron, sort of like holes of aship are like mentioned in this
one, and you know like afterIndustrial Revolution, it's not
like you think oh, maybe that's.
Titanic, oh, okay.
Fabienne (19:42):
Like the name of the ship was italicized.
Jordan (19:47):
Okay.
Well, give me just two seconds.
Okay, I'm going to put thoseskimming and scanning skills to
use.
I was always so bad at skinskimming and scanning texts in
high school.
Fabienne (19:56):
Me too, I'm oh so bad.
Jordan (20:01):
All right uh or oh, I thought you said or oh no, no, I
just said my bad oh, I was like, or what it was, a long, deep
kiss, gentle and slow.
I don't always I don't know whyI always like lapse into the
(20:22):
british accent.
Well, I can't find it, maybebecause I'm just blind, but if
you say it's here, it is here.
If you say it's here, then itis here.
Also, jesse, if you do listento this podcast, still, um, let
me know where it is, because Iam looking but I can't see it.
It doesn't matter, it is here,it is law.
Now, it is law.
(20:44):
It is law.
So you think he died?
Fabienne (20:49):
yeah, because, like, even if a vampire, like I think
he's in the middle of the ocean,so maybe he's still swimming.
Jordan (21:00):
Didn't something happen with God?
What's it called the originalsor the vampire diaries, where
one of them was put in the thebottom of the sea or like an
ocean, wasn't it Stefan?
Fabienne (21:12):
yeah, stefan, his like evil twin doppelganger Silas
oops, hopefully no one, I don'tknow it's been out for a long
time.
Jordan (21:23):
Okay, come on, but still , he didn't die and well no, he
kept dying oh yeah, that's truebut then he would come back and
drown again and then die.
Fabienne (21:39):
And then come back and drown again and then die very
repetitive, if you ask me.
Jordan (21:45):
Yeah, very boring, yeah very boring, it's okay.
Fabienne (21:50):
It boring, it's okay, it's fine, he's okay, okay.
Jordan (21:55):
I actually never finished the Vampire Diaries, I
think after that one seasonwhere we find out about Silas
and, like Alina's firstdoppelganger, or however you
want to call it, I want to sayAmara.
That's not Amara, it'ssomething with an A, though.
Fabienne (22:18):
Well, Amara, isn't she the witch that Silas?
Jordan (22:22):
was with.
Fabienne (22:22):
Marianne.
Oh yeah, no, you're right.
Or was Amara Mira?
No, because there's like theother.
Maybe I should just rewatch itthough.
Well, I did I just rewatched it.
Jordan (22:38):
Yeah, I know, that's why Can't stay behind now, can I?
Fabienne (22:45):
So you gotta catch up.
Plus, you haven't met Enzo yet,and Enzo's the best I do know.
Jordan (22:58):
Enzo though, because you know, oh, so you did, you did
watch farther, you did get tohim, maybe, but also, like I've
seen him like on instagram and,like you know, like memes and
like fan pages or whatever, I'veseen him like floating, like
floating around on the internetand but you haven't gotten to
his like part feed.
I don't think so no, then youneed watching.
Fabienne (23:18):
I will.
I did a poll on Instagramasking like who people loved
more and, of course, like, damonwas first Duh, but then Enzo
and Klaus were like kind of neckand neck, though Stefan was at
the bottom.
Jordan (23:33):
No one likes that I um, I, uh, I voted for Klaus.
Oh, you did, I did.
I love the originals and I justloved, like, his interaction
with Caroline.
Fabienne (23:47):
Oh, I think Caroline and Klaus should have definitely
ended up together.
I don't think it should havebeen Stefan at all.
Jordan (23:58):
Thanks, jor, you're welcome.
I literally just said no, it isfine, it's fine.
Fabienne (24:11):
Okay, so you, you can keep watching, because you don't
know what so much drama, it'slike a soap opera.
Jordan (24:17):
That one series though good gracious, but you know it's
it's like it's like a guiltypleasure type of show.
Anyways, like you know what'sgoing to happen.
Generally speaking, everyonedies and then everyone is is
like supernatural god and thenthere's, I'm just gonna stop
talking yeah, yeah, that seemslike a wise plan yep, I'm gonna
(24:41):
stop talking missy spoilers butyes, caroline and klaus should
have been together.
Yeah, so not endgame.
Unfortunately, now that I thinkabout it, I don't think that I
actually finished the originalseither.
Fabienne (25:00):
I tried the originals.
I couldn't even make it throughseason one.
Jordan (25:03):
It was so boring, oh okay, well, great to disagree,
then oh.
No, I will say, though, todisagree then oh, hmm, no, I
will say, though, that it was alittle bit like I don't want to
say far-fetched, but it was abit like it was really slow yeah
.
In some aspects and like I'm notreally sure if that's oh God,
(25:25):
let me look it up, if that's theright term, because I don't
want to say something weird andhave people think of me like, oh
, you're odd.
Um, I don't know, I don't knowif there's any dutch said
they're listening to this andthey hear me, just like mumble
say I'd milk.
That's going to be so weird.
One second, oh okay, likeexploit milk out.
Apparently milk out does work.
Now I have to give you somecontext.
(25:49):
Um, I feel like the originalsbecause obviously that came like
after or like halfway midwaythrough.
Yeah, yeah, and then like,obviously another storyline had
to be created for the originals,but I feel like, because the
vampire diaries did so well,just like the overall arc for
the originals got like.
The overall arc for theoriginals got like milken milked
(26:15):
out so badly is.
Fabienne (26:15):
Is that how you see it ?
I don't really remember thestoryline of originals.
I just remember she waspregnant with the baby and
that's like where they startedwith the originals, but I don't
know where the story went.
Jordan (26:29):
Like I, I really could not get into it I probably
watched no, like three episodesno, I just mean like they
thought like okay, well, thevampire diary is like such a big
hit.
If we just create another show,that's going to be also a big
hit.
Like they wanted to make it toa cash cow the entire show.
Fabienne (26:45):
That's what I'm trying to say but I mean, okay, oh, I
see what you're saying, becausethey did the same thing with
Legacies.
That's supposed to be anext-gen type thing.
Jordan (26:54):
Never even tried to watch it.
Fabienne (26:55):
No, no, I actually didn't even know that until
somebody was telling me oh,that's supposed to be a next-gen
, because the way the VampireDiaries ends, they do something.
And then that's what legaciesis essentially about, and I
think it pulls from theoriginals too hmm, maybe well,
(27:20):
isn't.
Jordan (27:20):
Um.
Well, I think I do know thatone, though, oh god, we were so
much digressing from the dowryof blood, but I mean vampires,
probably.
What's her name?
Hope?
It's about the girl, right.
Who's Hope?
Hayley's, not Hayley.
Fabienne (27:39):
Yeah, hayley's kid, oh her name's Hope I didn't make
it very far.
Jordan (27:46):
No, you did not, but that's her name and I think
that's the star.
Sorry, is it her the?
Fabienne (27:52):
sorry, is it her?
Oh, is it her, because I knowthat in vampires there's some
like witches and they're ininteresting.
Jordan (28:04):
Yeah, in uh legacies, but I'm anything.
No, no, you shouldn't.
Fabienne (28:11):
You're spoiling stuff.
I just need you to.
Jordan (28:16):
Oh, yeah, yeah, of course that's going to help you.
Lady, just distract yourselffrom the conversation and me Yep
, okay, you know what?
Maybe let's just wrap it uphere A dowry of blood.
Um, yeah, I will one second, Iwill still say this I love this
(28:39):
story.
It gave me a certain emotion.
I think I wrote it in my reviewtoo, even though I did have
some.
I don't want to see issuesbecause that feels like too
heavy of a word, but I did havesome moments where I was like,
okay, well, this could have justbeen like skipped or like not
even like written out entirely,just like it was repetitive.
(28:59):
But the way it was, the way itwas written and the way the
story was flowing, the entireformatting, just like the
general experience of the story,I experienced an emotion that I
had not felt for a long timeand it just made me want to keep
reading and that's why I lovethe book still.
Fabienne (29:17):
So four and a half stars from me see, and I still I
still rate it at five starslike I still love this story.
It's like, unlike anything elseI've read, and it is the
perfect fall read fall goop,spooky, like vampires are your
thing, but I do.
Yeah, I did still really lovethis story.
(29:39):
I think I was just so stuck onthe first edition I read that
this still kind of like threw mefor a little baby loop.
Jordan (29:48):
Yeah, yeah, yup, yup, yup, yeah, I'm gonna reread it,
I promise Okay.
So that's a wrap on A Diary ofBlood.
Yes, we're gonna do more buddyreads again, by the way.
Fabienne (30:05):
Yes, we are.
Jordan (30:06):
I miss them, even though this one was kind of like whack
, oh well, you have to get.
We kind of had to like get backinto him again.
Fabienne (30:13):
you know like, yeah, exactly, thank you so much for
listening and please don'tforget to rate and review
wherever you can find us, socatch you next time.
Jordan (30:20):
Bye.
welcome to the bookish hour with jor and fab a very, a
very significant half of thisvery good and gracious podcast.
Fabienne (00:16):
I do not know where that came from I love
professional amateurs over heredid you know?
Jordan (00:23):
well, I mean, yes, obviously, let that sink in just
for like a little second orlike a small second, a short
second, however you want to putit.
But did you know that amateur,by the way, um, we have like
such a negative connotation, notyou and I, we, but like we is
like a general consensus,consensus, like people have such
a negative um thought when theythink of like amateurs, like
(00:45):
you know, if you see people likedoing something stupid or like
wrong or like incorrectly,amateurs, right, but amateurs
apparently stems and do notquote me like as in verbatim,
because I read it a long timeago but apparently amateur stems
from a greek root, or like alatin word which basically means
, or roughly translates to,doing it for the love, or like
(01:08):
the passion of um loving thething.
In a nutshell, it's maybe alittle bit vague I didn't, but
it's more of that.
Let me just let me just actuallyjust look it up now, because I
don't want to have this.
Come, come back and like biteme in the ass and everything.
Amateur.
Do I spell the same in Englishas I do in Dutch?
(01:30):
Amateur, yes, I do interesting.
Fabienne (01:34):
Oh, that's another word that now I know, the Dutch
word, literally the same wateris also pretty much the same
that helps me a lot, exceptyou'll have some words like of
is your or that confuses me yeah, no, I get that try for a sec
(01:57):
way.
Jordan (01:58):
I can't find one.
I think I had one fall.
Fabienne (02:03):
Witches that works.
Vampires that works, I think.
Jordan (02:06):
I had one when Winky fall witches that works,
vampires Vampires that works,that works.
Yes, we are once again talkingabout vampires and because this
episode comes out logicallyafter our previous one, which
was part one of A Dowry of Blood, we are now discussing the
entire book.
Fabienne (02:23):
Yes.
Jordan (02:30):
Okay, first thoughts go, I loved it, but, okay, give it
to me.
No, I I love, I love thewriting of this one.
Like it felt so obviously likepoetic, and I feel like that
even that doesn't even comeclose to actually explaining how
this book was written or likehow it felt reading the book,
but it was truly magnificent.
But I feel like at some timesit was maybe a bit superfluous
(02:54):
in the sense of like it was tooflowery and nothing really
happened in like I don't want tosay a chapter, but like in an
entry of sorts.
But I still enjoyed again theway how it was written.
However, what did disappoint me, actually disappoint me, was
the fact and you, you, youremarked on it after, um, after
(03:14):
when I have read it, or had readit, I should say the ending in
the indie book, like the indiepublished, the self-published
book, turns out to be and I seeit as lightly a little different
than the traditionallypublished one.
Isn't that correct, jewel?
Fabienne (03:32):
yep insert it's so tough because, if you like I
don't know how because we kindof talked about this, like you
were saying, before this podcast, which is not something I
typically want to do but I feltlike, as I was reading this one,
I felt like it kind of neededto be done and I don't know if
(03:53):
it, like I should have not inthe sense of like maybe I should
have just made you read theindie edition, because I kind of
had you go back and read likethe last couple chapters, which
I don't know if you did or not,but then I kind of told you the
ending and I don't know if it'sspecifically the ending or if
it's the fact that everythingleading up to it, then you
(04:17):
finally have something, so likewhen you read.
So we read the Red Hook edition, which is like the more recent
edition, which is thetraditionally published edition.
And you know you probably haveto rewrite things and maybe
another look at edits and stuff.
But I don't think I expected somuch change in it.
(04:38):
But if you kind of understandand but if you you kind of
understand, so hopefully thismight spoil things if you don't
read the, if you didn't read theindie edition.
But in this edition you havethe encore of roses.
So it's all from Alexi's pointof view which kind of makes
(04:59):
sense on why she changed theending from the indie edition,
because then the indie edition,basically this whole time you
don't know what time frame it isand that's why I was like
there's no dates.
But then as I'm reading, I'mlike there's more and more dates
.
I'm like what, what, what'sgoing on here?
I'm so confused, yeah, but youdon't really have any dates.
(05:19):
Maybe you have a few thingslike like here and there, of
like kind of nods of where andwhen it is, but nothing concrete
.
And then basically you get tothe ending and he's getting on a
boat, and then she says thathe's getting on the Titanic.
So you're like, oh my gosh,like it's 1912.
(05:41):
And yeah, and like you, justit's like kind of like you
finally have something.
So it's so exciting.
Where I think I was just sodisappointed in this one because
there's that one entry whereit's 1919 and it's you.
(06:04):
You know that anastasia and herfamily was just killed and I
was like, wait a minute, likethis is already completely
changing the ending because,like, clearly the titanic
already happened.
So I was a little disappointedbecause I also really liked the
ending in the way of they justparted ways, they just like
(06:25):
they're each going down theirown paths, but then this, this
is like the HEA.
So it's like, if you needHappily Ever After, this is the
edition you want.
Jordan (06:36):
Yeah, I feel like in that regard too, the Red Hook
book, like the traditionallypublished edition, makes it like
it changes the entire genre.
Remember when we talked brieflyabout in a different episode
like a long time ago, how thereare love stories, like romantic
love stories, and there is likea romance story.
(06:59):
In a romance they have likehappily ever afters, like you
know, like the main charactersthey stay together, etc.
But in a love story it could belike a tragic ending.
Um, and I feel like that the inthe published one supposed, or
like originally, was um supposedto be just a love story but
(07:21):
then it'll be.
Fabienne (07:22):
In a way it's almost, but it's like not even a love
story.
It's almost like the only thingthat's holding them together is
their lord.
That's the only reason whythey're together.
So it almost makes sense thathe dies.
They go different ways, becausewhy?
Why would they've survived thistrauma?
(07:45):
And it's like now that the gluethat's holding them together
goes away.
But the biggest thing is Idon't know if you want me to
tell you, but the way he diedwas not the way he died in the
indie edition.
Jordan (08:02):
Yeah, fuck off, really no, I want no, tell me.
Fabienne (08:08):
Okay, now tell me honestly like, don't, I'm so
glad you have the indie editionand when you read it in like a
year or two or whatever, youhave to tell me and you have to
give me all the details.
Granted, I could be wrong on alot of these things, but I swear
the way he died is not.
I know it's not way and fromwhat my memory of two years ago,
(08:29):
this is like what I remember.
But remember how we weretalking about like this
edition's not as erotic, it'snot as like smutty and spicy,
mm-hmm.
Jordan (08:39):
I mean, it's very sensual and very romantic and I
feel like a lot of scenes areactually written in the sense
that I would love to read a sexscene to be, but like parts, if
you will, are not like named.
Nothing is like he's slingingor it's more like they're
kissing and there's like touchesand like honestly, that's kind
of like how it is in the indieedition.
Fabienne (08:58):
There's just more, but the way he died, the way he
died was not with a stake, itwas actually, um, like more
sensual.
It was the way it started, withthem like starting to have like
a group thing, same way, butthen they all bite him and
basically drain him of his blood.
(09:20):
But like, think of it moreerotically, type done that is a
completely different route.
yes, it's done so well, but likebasically, which, you know how?
She goes down to his lair andshe's like reading on, like can
he be killed?
And it's like, yes, he can.
And then the other thing,knowing they they won't die when
he dies, which honestly I neverreally understood the first
(09:46):
time because I'm like you knowif he dies you won't die,
because you know he killed hissire, so you should know that.
But I can't remember if we knewthat from the indie edition or
not, or if that didn't even comeup during the death.
But I to where it was like theydrained him of his blood by
like biting him, biting him, andthen she became really strong,
(10:07):
kind of like at least they.
She took the same path of likeher biting them, all biting him
afterwards, but it was likeduring it.
So he was getting more and moreweak and it like took him a
minute to realize that they werelike killing him, because he
was almost like thought it wasthis, was this like sensual act
of like before sex, and thenhe's like wait, I'm like really
(10:31):
weak, and then they justcontinued to drain him, like it
was actually so much better,because that feels like more of
a betrayal than the steak I knowI was, so why the hell was the?
Jordan (10:43):
steak, then why the hell was that removed and a stake?
Fabienne (10:47):
I guess I'm just thinking it was because of like
it being traditionally published.
Maybe it was like too much,like too much like blood play or
something which it's not eventhey're vampires but I was just
like so sad.
Jordan (11:03):
The first half of this book is like exactly the same
though that is interestingactually, Because apparently a
lot of things change at the 50%mark.
I feel like even.
Fabienne (11:18):
Because you know how I didn't totally read up to the
part that I was supposed to forthe first half, oh yeah.
Jordan (11:25):
Yeah, you didn't do your homework, that's fine.
Fabienne (11:27):
Yeah, that was my bad for the first, oh, yeah, yeah,
yeah, you didn't do yourhomework, that's fine.
Yeah, that was my bad, but andI think I would have kind of
picked up on things, because Iwas kind of picking up on things
not being totally the same, butI think I would have, just
because I know I don't totallyremember all the details because
it was two years ago at thispoint, but then as I'm like
reading the second, second half,I'm like no, no, oh, but it's
(11:47):
still such a good story.
It's just I think it's tough ifyou were to just read this one.
I think it's different.
So, like I, you have like adifferent experience than I did,
I know, but I'm still.
Jordan (12:00):
I'm making you read the indie edition oh no, I know, I
know I and I will read it,because now I'm actually really
interested to see, or like howto, yeah, to see, like how his
death will play out in the indieedition.
Fabienne (12:13):
And just wait for like these details to kind of die
off and you have like almost afresh mind.
Because I need you to read itfrom the beginning, because I
feel like that's what makes itlike, or else I would just be
like I'll read from like 50% on,but I feel like you need the
full experience yes, mom, we'lldo that.
Jordan (12:31):
I will notify you once I have.
Thank you, I do have this.
Fabienne (12:37):
Thank you, I do have to say the encore of roses I did
really I did like it for forwhat it's worth at, got like a
little bit extra of like uh, youdid.
Jordan (12:50):
See, oh, it makes me sound like I, but she changed
the ending on me?
No, I know, but I mean like butdid you actually enjoy the
encore of Roses?
Because I felt like it was soout of the blue.
I'd rather have seen, I wouldrather have like read an
epilogue, or like an additionalentry from Magdalena's part,
(13:10):
from like how she met the Lord,because that was never clarified
, or maybe even from like theLord himself, like how he came
to be, or like insight into hislair, you know, like what he was
doing for research andeverything.
I did wonder why she picked him.
Fabienne (13:31):
Maybe like his muse, so to say, he came more like
easily to her true, I mean,maybe she was like I'm not
killing you off in this edition,so like you should get your own
pov I did find him very cute,though he was very lively,
ironically.
Yeah, I actually did reallylike his point of view, just
(13:53):
because I don't know it was cute, it was cute.
I am still super excited forother books, though.
Jordan (14:02):
You said one was coming actually pretty soon, right, and
it was a sort of interconnectedI don't want to say
interconnected standalone, butit was like in the same world it
took place, or something.
Fabienne (14:16):
I don't think it's not as this one, but I think there
is like an education of malicewhich I think is sapphic.
Yeah, that's the one, and it'scoming out in February, I think,
oh okay, I think it's sapphic.
Jordan (14:37):
Oh yeah, then we can read it maybe together here when
you're here in the Netherlands,in Amsterdam, sorry.
Fabienne (14:45):
Amsterdam.
Jordan (14:47):
I'm going gonna circle that.
I'm gonna circle that.
One date like in, so so manylike blue lines and like red
stripes and everything.
Just circle that bad boy on thecalendar.
We're here, underline,underline, underline.
Fabienne (15:03):
I'm so excited yes it's only an 8 hour flight too,
it's not even that bad.
It's not even that bad.
I mean, I'm so excited.
Jordan (15:10):
Yes, it's only an eight-hour flight too.
It's not even that bad.
It's not even that bad.
No, no, no.
Fabienne (15:14):
It's, it's, I mean, I mean it's not that great.
Jordan (15:19):
It is okay.
Fabienne (15:21):
I think it's going to be the time difference, it's the
time change.
Jordan (15:23):
That's like the big yeah , but you have yeah, but babe
you have a red flight, is whatyou call it Like a red eye, or I
don't know how you say it?
You can sleep as much aspossible, of course, because
that's always a tricky thing,like on, you know, like during
the flight, and then get hereall like fresh and fruity and
take you out for mimosas andpancakes.
Fabienne (15:43):
Mimosas oh.
Jordan (15:47):
And bacon.
I like a hot steaming cup withcoffee ready for you at the
airport, at the rivals.
Yeah, um, yeah, but Idefinitely plan on sleeping talk
(16:13):
.
I'm still gonna get like theindie edition of like a jar of
blood, because I want to look atthe.
The actual last page, though,because we have.
Can you still hear me?
Okay?
Yes, you can interesting.
Okay, so in the edition is hereyou can Interesting.
Fabienne (16:28):
Okay, so India Dishes here.
Oh, and that cover.
I really like that cover too.
Jordan (16:34):
Yeah.
But I do like this cover toothough I like this cover, I like
the blood smear across her eyesMe too?
Um fuck, where is the?
I don't.
Can you double check if we havelike a very last entry that's
here in the in addition is fromon stanta constata constance,
(16:58):
her pov, where she says and so,my love, we have come to the end
of our lives together.
Is that in the published, wow,the written.
She has crossed the record booktoo.
Fabienne (17:11):
Let's see, let's see, let's see, let's see.
So what was the last line?
What was the last line?
Well, not necessarily the lastline, but it's the last entry
where she says and so, my love,we have come to the end of our
lives together yes, that is atthe beginning of the last entry
(17:33):
before the encore of roses okay,okay, because it makes more
sense to have the book end here.
Jordan (17:47):
Let's just go with like the indie book is like the canon
one, and then the red hook book, the, you know, like the
traditionally published ortraditional published book is
just extra.
Fabienne (17:58):
So, yes, I feel like the people that need an hea.
This is the edition you want toread the red hook,
traditionally published edition.
If you just want a not a lovestory, but not a love story in a
way, then you want to read theindie edition.
But, granted, I don't know ifyou can even get that edition
(18:20):
anymore, so you might not beable to.
But I feel like it kind ofdepends on, like, what you want
out of a story you have choicesnow.
Jordan (18:30):
Who doesn't love choices ?
Fabienne (18:32):
we all love choices we , we love options and choices
yes, we do.
Jordan (18:39):
I'm also screaming very quickly through that last entry.
Moments later, he leaned overthe railing of the ship,
snatching off his head andwaving at us.
Moments later, he leaned overthe railing of the ship,
snatching off his hat and wavingat us.
I can't.
I think I did see Titanic, butI might have just like imagined
it because you said it and weheard through the war of noise
(19:02):
and busts swirling around us aswe looked for Alexi's ship.
Ship, ship, ship, ship, ship.
Do you have your ticket?
Titanic, the fuck, I don't seeit here.
Fabienne (19:14):
You don't Because I.
So I remember buddy reading itwith Jesse at the time and I
remember being specifically soexcited, being like, oh my God,
he got on the Titanic.
Jordan (19:25):
But isn't it just like putting two and two together?
Because you know like shipslike actual, like iron, sort,
iron, sort of like holes of aship are like mentioned in this
one, and you know like afterIndustrial Revolution, it's not
like you think oh, maybe that's.
Titanic, oh, okay.
Fabienne (19:42):
Like the name of the ship was italicized.
Jordan (19:47):
Okay.
Well, give me just two seconds.
Okay, I'm going to put thoseskimming and scanning skills to
use.
I was always so bad at skinskimming and scanning texts in
high school.
Fabienne (19:56):
Me too, I'm oh so bad.
Jordan (20:01):
All right uh or oh, I thought you said or oh no, no, I
just said my bad oh, I was like, or what it was, a long, deep
kiss, gentle and slow.
I don't always I don't know whyI always like lapse into the
(20:22):
british accent.
Well, I can't find it, maybebecause I'm just blind, but if
you say it's here, it is here.
If you say it's here, then itis here.
Also, jesse, if you do listento this podcast, still, um, let
me know where it is, because Iam looking but I can't see it.
It doesn't matter, it is here,it is law.
Now, it is law.
(20:44):
It is law.
So you think he died?
Fabienne (20:49):
yeah, because, like, even if a vampire, like I think
he's in the middle of the ocean,so maybe he's still swimming.
Jordan (21:00):
Didn't something happen with God?
What's it called the originalsor the vampire diaries, where
one of them was put in the thebottom of the sea or like an
ocean, wasn't it Stefan?
Fabienne (21:12):
yeah, stefan, his like evil twin doppelganger Silas
oops, hopefully no one, I don'tknow it's been out for a long
time.
Jordan (21:23):
Okay, come on, but still , he didn't die and well no, he
kept dying oh yeah, that's truebut then he would come back and
drown again and then die.
Fabienne (21:39):
And then come back and drown again and then die very
repetitive, if you ask me.
Jordan (21:45):
Yeah, very boring, yeah very boring, it's okay.
Fabienne (21:50):
It boring, it's okay, it's fine, he's okay, okay.
Jordan (21:55):
I actually never finished the Vampire Diaries, I
think after that one seasonwhere we find out about Silas
and, like Alina's firstdoppelganger, or however you
want to call it, I want to sayAmara.
That's not Amara, it'ssomething with an A, though.
Fabienne (22:18):
Well, Amara, isn't she the witch that Silas?
Jordan (22:22):
was with.
Fabienne (22:22):
Marianne.
Oh yeah, no, you're right.
Or was Amara Mira?
No, because there's like theother.
Maybe I should just rewatch itthough.
Well, I did I just rewatched it.
Jordan (22:38):
Yeah, I know, that's why Can't stay behind now, can I?
Fabienne (22:45):
So you gotta catch up.
Plus, you haven't met Enzo yet,and Enzo's the best I do know.
Jordan (22:58):
Enzo though, because you know, oh, so you did, you did
watch farther, you did get tohim, maybe, but also, like I've
seen him like on instagram and,like you know, like memes and
like fan pages or whatever, I'veseen him like floating, like
floating around on the internetand but you haven't gotten to
his like part feed.
I don't think so no, then youneed watching.
Fabienne (23:18):
I will.
I did a poll on Instagramasking like who people loved
more and, of course, like, damonwas first Duh, but then Enzo
and Klaus were like kind of neckand neck, though Stefan was at
the bottom.
Jordan (23:33):
No one likes that I um, I, uh, I voted for Klaus.
Oh, you did, I did.
I love the originals and I justloved, like, his interaction
with Caroline.
Fabienne (23:47):
Oh, I think Caroline and Klaus should have definitely
ended up together.
I don't think it should havebeen Stefan at all.
Jordan (23:58):
Thanks, jor, you're welcome.
I literally just said no, it isfine, it's fine.
Fabienne (24:11):
Okay, so you, you can keep watching, because you don't
know what so much drama, it'slike a soap opera.
Jordan (24:17):
That one series though good gracious, but you know it's
it's like it's like a guiltypleasure type of show.
Anyways, like you know what'sgoing to happen.
Generally speaking, everyonedies and then everyone is is
like supernatural god and thenthere's, I'm just gonna stop
talking yeah, yeah, that seemslike a wise plan yep, I'm gonna
(24:41):
stop talking missy spoilers butyes, caroline and klaus should
have been together.
Yeah, so not endgame.
Unfortunately, now that I thinkabout it, I don't think that I
actually finished the originalseither.
Fabienne (25:00):
I tried the originals.
I couldn't even make it throughseason one.
Jordan (25:03):
It was so boring, oh okay, well, great to disagree,
then oh.
No, I will say, though, todisagree then oh, hmm, no, I
will say, though, that it was alittle bit like I don't want to
say far-fetched, but it was abit like it was really slow yeah
.
In some aspects and like I'm notreally sure if that's oh God,
(25:25):
let me look it up, if that's theright term, because I don't
want to say something weird andhave people think of me like, oh
, you're odd.
Um, I don't know, I don't knowif there's any dutch said
they're listening to this andthey hear me, just like mumble
say I'd milk.
That's going to be so weird.
One second, oh okay, likeexploit milk out.
Apparently milk out does work.
Now I have to give you somecontext.
(25:49):
Um, I feel like the originalsbecause obviously that came like
after or like halfway midwaythrough.
Yeah, yeah, and then like,obviously another storyline had
to be created for the originals,but I feel like, because the
vampire diaries did so well,just like the overall arc for
the originals got like.
The overall arc for theoriginals got like milken milked
(26:15):
out so badly is.
Fabienne (26:15):
Is that how you see it ?
I don't really remember thestoryline of originals.
I just remember she waspregnant with the baby and
that's like where they startedwith the originals, but I don't
know where the story went.
Jordan (26:29):
Like I, I really could not get into it I probably
watched no, like three episodesno, I just mean like they
thought like okay, well, thevampire diary is like such a big
hit.
If we just create another show,that's going to be also a big
hit.
Like they wanted to make it toa cash cow the entire show.
Fabienne (26:45):
That's what I'm trying to say but I mean, okay, oh, I
see what you're saying, becausethey did the same thing with
Legacies.
That's supposed to be anext-gen type thing.
Jordan (26:54):
Never even tried to watch it.
Fabienne (26:55):
No, no, I actually didn't even know that until
somebody was telling me oh,that's supposed to be a next-gen
, because the way the VampireDiaries ends, they do something.
And then that's what legaciesis essentially about, and I
think it pulls from theoriginals too hmm, maybe well,
(27:20):
isn't.
Jordan (27:20):
Um.
Well, I think I do know thatone, though, oh god, we were so
much digressing from the dowryof blood, but I mean vampires,
probably.
What's her name?
Hope?
It's about the girl, right.
Who's Hope?
Hayley's, not Hayley.
Fabienne (27:39):
Yeah, hayley's kid, oh her name's Hope I didn't make
it very far.
Jordan (27:46):
No, you did not, but that's her name and I think
that's the star.
Sorry, is it her the?
Fabienne (27:52):
sorry, is it her?
Oh, is it her, because I knowthat in vampires there's some
like witches and they're ininteresting.
Jordan (28:04):
Yeah, in uh legacies, but I'm anything.
No, no, you shouldn't.
Fabienne (28:11):
You're spoiling stuff.
I just need you to.
Jordan (28:16):
Oh, yeah, yeah, of course that's going to help you.
Lady, just distract yourselffrom the conversation and me Yep
, okay, you know what?
Maybe let's just wrap it uphere A dowry of blood.
Um, yeah, I will one second, Iwill still say this I love this
(28:39):
story.
It gave me a certain emotion.
I think I wrote it in my reviewtoo, even though I did have
some.
I don't want to see issuesbecause that feels like too
heavy of a word, but I did havesome moments where I was like,
okay, well, this could have justbeen like skipped or like not
even like written out entirely,just like it was repetitive.
(28:59):
But the way it was, the way itwas written and the way the
story was flowing, the entireformatting, just like the
general experience of the story,I experienced an emotion that I
had not felt for a long timeand it just made me want to keep
reading and that's why I lovethe book still.
Fabienne (29:17):
So four and a half stars from me see, and I still I
still rate it at five starslike I still love this story.
It's like, unlike anything elseI've read, and it is the
perfect fall read fall goop,spooky, like vampires are your
thing, but I do.
Yeah, I did still really lovethis story.
(29:39):
I think I was just so stuck onthe first edition I read that
this still kind of like threw mefor a little baby loop.
Jordan (29:48):
Yeah, yeah, yup, yup, yup, yeah, I'm gonna reread it,
I promise Okay.
So that's a wrap on A Diary ofBlood.
Yes, we're gonna do more buddyreads again, by the way.
Fabienne (30:05):
Yes, we are.
Jordan (30:06):
I miss them, even though this one was kind of like whack
, oh well, you have to get.
We kind of had to like get backinto him again.
Fabienne (30:13):
you know like, yeah, exactly, thank you so much for
listening and please don'tforget to rate and review
wherever you can find us, socatch you next time.
Jordan (30:20):
Bye.
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