April 14, 2025 • 60 mins
BOOKCLUB with SPOILERS
The Bookish Hour dives into Ali Hazelwood's "Deep End," a college romance about pre-med students and competitive divers navigating their intense chemistry and BDSM dynamic.
• Discussing the unique blend of competitive diving, academic brilliance, and BDSM elements
• Analyzing the sophisticated vocabulary and whether it feels authentic for college-aged characters
• Appreciating Lucas and Scarlett's unspoken connection and how they communicate through expressions
• Examining the slow burn romance and satisfying character development
• Debating whether the ending feels rushed, particularly regarding the diving storyline
• Celebrating the epilogue from Lucas's perspective that provides glimpses into their future
• Noticing cameos from characters in Hazelwood's "The Love Hypothesis"
Cover Art by: Fabienne and Jordan
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Intro/Outro music: Season Two: Ramaramaray by Aiyo via Epidemic Sound Season One: Sweet Psycho via TikTok’s Offical Sound Studio on Capcut
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Jordan (00:08):
welcome to the bookish hour with joran fob also
recording no way, oh my god, no,no, we can like leave this in,
because I was actually gonna saythat he is the new little
edition.
His, his name is Nero Ro forshort.
He's so cute.
Fabienne (00:29):
This is adorable.
You got a third cat.
Yeah, he's so small, he's sosmall.
He really is.
Jordan (00:40):
I think he's only like nine and a half weeks.
Fabienne (00:43):
Are you kidding?
Jordan (00:44):
I feel like we got him a little too early.
Fabienne (00:48):
Oh my god yeah, and it's a boy, and it's another boy
.
Yeah, adorable so cute.
Jordan (00:57):
I'm obsessed with him.
Um, I did.
When did you get him?
Saturday, saturday, oh also,don't you?
Don't mind me, I'm gonna take aquick selfie.
Fabienne (01:12):
Well, yeah, selfie, wait, wait, let me prepare let
me oh, not, not with me in thebackground oh no, with you in
the background.
Jordan (01:22):
Okay, hopefully that looked good I don't think so.
Fabienne (01:26):
I don't think it did, at least I didn't.
Jordan (01:27):
But that's okay it didn't, because I didn't reverse
it such nice hats on the wallthough.
Such nice hats such nice onemore time, one more time, one
more time, one more time, thepeople listening um this if you
see my story, this is like whereit's from.
I just took a bunch, sohopefully, did you see my go-to
(01:54):
pose?
Fabienne (01:56):
uh, it's always like the p sign and like still the
duck face.
I'm 31 years old and I can't, Ican't, not, do, do it.
Jordan (02:04):
It's, it's totally.
We got to do it one more timethough.
Fabienne (02:07):
There I go again, it's fine.
Jordan (02:09):
I love it Only because you see my like closet in the
background.
So I was like this needs to bea little bit better.
You can't really.
Oh, you can kind of see you.
It's cute though.
Fabienne (02:22):
But I wanted to see you, that's.
That was the aim, just a littleactually do we?
Jordan (02:29):
should we cut this out, because I feel like this is not
quite.
I thought this would take apodcast material yeah, maybe.
Fabienne (02:40):
Maybe we leave it in, maybe.
Jordan (02:42):
Maybe not.
Who knows, the guess is as goodas ours.
Okay, one more time.
Pop.
One more time.
One more time, okay, okay, staystrong For the people in the
back.
Fabienne (02:54):
Yeah.
Jordan (02:55):
Yeah, okay, you can definitely see you better in
this one because it's like Imade you bigger, but it's still
not the best.
But I thought this would be acute.
Thanks for the consideration.
I thought this would be cutebecause I was like, oh, maybe I
should post this today on mystory but tag the bookish hour
(03:18):
and then reshare it.
If you saw this story, then nowyou know when we were talking
about it.
Fabienne (03:28):
Exactly.
Put one on a weight is two andtwo in English Stupid.
Put two and two together, yeah.
Jordan (03:37):
But what is your good week Fab?
Now we can actually get intothis.
Fabienne (03:42):
The important stuff, my good week.
Granted, the week has only justbegun, but technically, last
week was good because I sort ofdecided to one sign up for
another race, like a 10K race.
Oh my gosh, that's awesome,thank you.
(04:03):
It's still like a little faraway, slow though, like in, um,
the end of may.
So I have a few more months,slash weeks to train not that I
really have to train for a 10k,um that I feel like that sounded
like I was fragging.
No, wait, 10k.
I run like 10k on the regular,so I don't really have to, you
(04:24):
know, train for it.
But it's still nice because Iwant to cross that threshold of,
like you know, um, joining likea race, to actually participate
in a race and like to have theexperience of a race, and I
really haven't done any in thepast year, even though I talked
to you about it definitelybefore like hey, I, hey, I've
(04:44):
picked up running again.
I know that you have to, by theway, because I've seen you in
stories, um, but I just want toI don't know, you know step out
a little out of my comfort zoneand I think joining a race, like
as a solo runner, cause I don'tlike I I'm not joining like any
um running clubs, which areapparently a real thing and like
(05:06):
it's like up and coming here inamsterdam too, because whenever
I go out for a run sorry, I'mgoing off on a tangent I see
like little actual clubs ofpeople like hobbing along like
the canals and like just likehaving a coffee afterwards, and
actually that would be so coolthat would be so fun.
Jordan (05:23):
You wait, are you gonna join one?
Fabienne (05:25):
no, no, no, no, no, I'm too awkward for that.
I, I don't know how to like goon about that and, just like you
know, literally join that likethose people be like hi, um, I
want to join and have a coffeeafter I.
I can't.
I, I don't know how to approachthat type of like social
settings, so I'd rather not.
(05:46):
Um, however, that did get methinking.
I was like I also saw like thisis somewhat related, okay, um,
so the coffee club thing as well.
After the running thing, I waslike I've seen on Instagram also
for sure that peopletransformed their kitchen slash
(06:07):
apartments into like a home cafeand then invited all of their
friends.
Have you seen one of thosereels?
Or just like the content thatpeople like opened up their
homes for like their friendsinstead of like an actual, you
know, like night party, more oflike a darty, if you will, or
just like a marty well, Ihaven't seen those reels, but
(06:30):
I'm here for it, so are youdoing it or have you done it
well?
no, but I, I want to.
I want to host one.
So I've been making likeinvites on canva and like the
coffee menus on canva.
I still have to send out theactual invites, though, oh my
gosh wait that.
Jordan (06:47):
I know I it's actually like impossible for me to go,
but please send me an invite anda coffee menu because I want to
see it.
Maybe you could like also putone in english for me to be able
to read it.
I can get like a few things.
I'll I'll.
Fabienne (07:02):
I'll do the invite regardless in english because it
looks cooler in english anyways.
So I got you.
I want to see the inviteregardless in English, because
it looks cooler in Englishanyways.
Jordan (07:06):
So I got you.
I want to see the invite, soplease send them to me.
Fabienne (07:11):
I will.
I have two mock-ups ready, soI'm still like undecided like to
use like which one, but I thinkthey both look cute Like one is
more like artisanal, like asketchy, like more mediterranean
type of vibe, and the other oneis like the cool kids club type
of vibe, if that makes sense soyou got to figure out what vibe
(07:32):
you want.
Jordan (07:32):
Your like coffee yeah.
Fabienne (07:35):
Do I want like the popular indie one, you know,
like with the people, with likethe, the beanies, and then like
the glasses and like the rolledup, you know jeans, exactly,
yeah.
Or do I want the classy type ofcoffee drinkers or something I
don't know?
So yeah, my good week has beenjoining like a race, or like
(07:59):
signing up for a race, I shouldsay, and decided that I want to
host a cafe type of day for myfriends that is going to be so
cool.
Jordan (08:09):
You must take lots of pictures and, yeah, you could
even do like I mean, this islike if you wanted to create
content with it, but I thinkthat would be like the cutest
reel if you just did different,like videos of it and then put
it over like a cute, like sundaymorning slow type song.
That's trending, of course, butI think that was so cute right.
Fabienne (08:35):
So yeah, and now that I, you know, like, now that we
finally settled in, like the newhouse which is not like
technically new at this pointanymore, it's just like home,
just like the house um, I justfeel that I have the actual
space to host those kind ofthings.
You know, like in the apartment.
We could have done it likeobviously, but it was just a
little more crammed and you knoweverything was in the apartment
(08:58):
, like your bedroom wasbasically like the living room,
and now we actually have I don'tknow dividers, if that makes
sense, like we actually have aliving room and now we actually
have I don't know dividers, ifthat makes sense, like we
actually have a living room andlike we actually have a garden
to host that stuff.
I want to say shit, but it'snot shit, I want to host that
stuff.
Jordan (09:12):
So you know it's a little more real and and your
garden is so cute that I think,if hopefully it's a nice day for
when you do it, so then likeeverybody can just like sit
outside and you can open thosedoors in your living room so
they can sit outside or inside,and that would just be so cute.
And you need to do this real soI can vicarious, like I can be
there, like I'll be there inspirit, I'll just, I'll just
(09:35):
FaceTime you, oh my God, yes,during the whole place, but you
know, you know, like youFaceTime me and then just set me
up in the corner and I'll bethere with my little iced coffee
.
Be like hi guys.
Fabienne (09:48):
Vernon is here too, please wave.
Jordan (09:51):
Hi Jordan, except I can't understand any of you guys
.
No, say that one more time, butlike a lot slower, okay, thanks
.
Fabienne (10:00):
Yeah, like a lot.
Could you spell it out for meplease?
Jordan (10:03):
Actually, can we just switch to english?
Might be way better yeah oh mygod, I'm so excited for you
thank you, that's very sweet.
Um, obviously you're a good weekyes, my good week I got a cat
which I lost him.
I don't know where he went.
Great start, yeah.
(10:25):
So I and I didn't really talkabout so like we actually got
two new cats which I lost him.
I don't know where he went,great start, yeah.
So I and I didn't really talkabout so like we actually got
two new cats.
I didn't really mention it onthis podcast yet, so people will
get it here.
But, like, unfortunately we lostLuna earlier in the year.
That was really hard.
So I might've gone a little hamon cats and I decided to get
two more because Orura needed afriend and then I need like
(10:48):
needed another emotional supportanimal.
So we got Poe and earlier, likeend of January, and then we got
Nero, just like a few days ago,and I love them both so much.
It's still a little testy here,like Aura's not too happy.
(11:08):
She finally got used to Poe andnow we bring in Nero, but the
dynamic is a lot better since,like she has Poe and they're
still good.
And then, like the new kitten,he's really young nine weeks but
I love it.
So now we have three cats in mymom's like small apartment, but
(11:29):
I wouldn't like want it anyother way, like I think, like
it's like for the best yeah, oh,I'm so happy for you.
Fabienne (11:39):
He looked adorable.
Looks adorable.
I'm sorry, wait, is it a say?
Jordan (11:43):
is it the same um breed, though like it's the same sort
of cat yeah, so it's technicallya scottish fold, but like
they're usually like a scottishstraight ear or a scottish fold
and we I wanted an all-black catand I wanted a boy, but that
was before, technically, we gotpoe, um, so we put a deposit
(12:05):
down on him without knowing ifhis ears were going to fold or
not.
Like, we put a deposit and hewas only like three weeks old,
so like usually their ears don'tfold until like eight, eight
weeks.
I think no, that's not right.
I think like five weeks, five orsix weeks, okay so it was kind
of like right before we got himthey were like well, he's not a
(12:27):
fold, but he's not technically astraight ear either, because
his ears aren't like straight upand down but they come out at
like an angle so he almost lookslike he has bat ears and it
because it's like so cute likesee how they come out at the
sides so he's he's off fold,which technically I mean he kind
of is oh my god, he isbeautiful he is so cute, but
(12:52):
he's actually like a smoke black, so underneath his fur it's
like white and gray, so it's afantastic super interesting
coloring.
Look at him right in there,right, but he keeps stepping in
his poop, so he's got littereverywhere.
Fabienne (13:13):
Oh, fun yeah.
Jordan (13:14):
Yeah.
Fabienne (13:14):
Youngsters.
You know they don't havemanners these days anymore.
It's just what it is.
Jordan (13:19):
Exactly, but that he is my good week him and Poe, even
though Poe was a while ago, butnow I feel like I can finally
talk about it.
Um, I haven't fully shared oninstagram yet.
um, I will as soon as, like,aura gets used to this little
guy I really want to do one ofthose, those reels where it's
like have you, it's like nottrending anymore, but it was a
long time ago.
(13:39):
It's like, I liked it, so I gotit in a different color.
I liked it, so I got it in adifferent color.
I liked it, so I got it in adifferent color, and then do it
for all three of them.
I think I'll start looking.
Fabienne (13:50):
I'll start looking for the real for you, because I
think I seen it on tiktok nottoo long ago and I might even
have saved it, so it might besomewhere like in a save folder,
so I'll send it to you if.
I find it yes, thank you.
I'll be on the lookout.
Jordan (14:05):
I'm like trying to be on the lookout too, but because
it's like not trending, I feellike you don't see it as much
anymore.
But remember, we used to see itlike all the time, like a year
ago or two, yeah Well, not eventoo long ago.
Fabienne (14:21):
I want to say oh really.
Yeah, cause I've been, um, uh,like.
I fell down like a rabbit holenot too long ago and I don't
even know like how long ago thatactually was, but it might have
, might have been two weeks,might have been four months, um,
but it was like a ADHD type oflike research in between
parentheses, or like apostrophes, or however you want to call it
(14:42):
.
Um, and then obviously tiktokand instagram is full of that on
like your for you page, andthen turns out that people with
adhd or like add tendencies.
They look for comfort and likeconsistency, right to like
something to fall back to, andthey have it with clothing, and
so do I, because you know, looklike those tank tops that I wear
(15:04):
, that you have to like thebrown and the gray one literally
wearing right now yes, Iliterally am wearing it right
now too.
So, um you know, I liked it, soI got it.
I liked it, so I got it.
I have it literally in like 15different colors and I.
Jordan (15:21):
It's the best no, I get it Cause remember, when I went
to visit you, I wanted, I got itin every single color they had,
and then I think you even gotme the.
When they did the Brown one,you got me one and sent it to me
, which I'm so grateful for.
I had to, I had to.
It makes me so mad that, likemy H and M, like the U?
S brand doesn't have them, orelse I could just like it S
(15:43):
brand doesn't have them, or elseI could just like it's weird
it's really weird.
I also.
Okay, sorry side note, I swearwe can get into the reason of
this episode later, later.
Eventually we will.
It will happen sometime.
But you know, those drops thatthe tanning drops that I got you
(16:03):
like showed me and I got, whichI'm obsessed with, I love them.
But so I finally ran out, likethe other day and I know.
But I went on Amazon and Ifound them and I think they were
coming from Europe, but I'm notsure.
But they're different.
They have the same packaging,the same bottle, but you, when I
(16:26):
pour them out onto my like hand, yeah.
Put them on my face, thecoloring's different.
Oh shit Right, they don't smelldifferent.
I don't think like that.
It like looks too.
I actually put them on after myshower, but I don't.
(16:50):
So I don't think it liketotally is a different, like I
think it's still the same, Ithink it's a different formula,
but still seems to be doing thejob.
I want it to with tanning myface progressively.
But I was so like sad that itwas like a different color, so
like clearly still not the same.
Fabienne (17:03):
So strange I could, I could be able be on the lookout
for that too and maybe like sendyou, like you know, a few
packages.
So you mean I'm like half theoriginal, so to say you wouldn't
be, opposed no no I wouldn't beopposed.
Jordan (17:16):
And same I remember too, like you were like I'll let you
know if there's any tank topsin new colors and let and like
get them for you.
Fabienne (17:22):
And I was like, okay, please let me know, because I
will we'll PayPal you for all ofall of you don't have to PayPal
me for that stuff, but, likethe tank tops, I think they're
going to be like discontinued,because they're either running
out of, like all, but theyhaven't like announced any new
colors.
Jordan (17:42):
Should I get like another one in each color before
they get discontinued?
Fabienne (17:46):
I think, let me quickly see.
This is such a fun episode.
All the girls would be like Iget it, I get it.
You guys just talk clothes andlike makeup and, like you know,
skincare.
You know there's a reason forthis episode.
Jordan (17:57):
Um, wait, h&m, um it also doesn't help that I made
like a nice coffee too, and soit's like kicking in oh, like I
feel like the energy trembling.
Fabienne (18:10):
Yes, I literally just finished two, so that might be
fun as well.
We have yet to see.
Um, okay, I have here sportsbra with a dry move medium
support.
Um, they have a dark gray, onlyin triple xl.
(18:31):
They still have black in yoursize.
They have marine blue and theyhave turquoise which looks more
like a muted gray, sage kind ofcolor.
You want to have that one.
Jordan (18:48):
I might, I might actually pick, I might.
Yeah, I actually might getwhatever they have left in my
size.
I might get one of those.
Fabienne (18:57):
Okay, so you want to have like a turquoise, I think
it's.
Wait, I'm going to screenshotit first and then you can decide
whether you like the color, yesor no.
Um, so this is the turquoiseand this is the marine blue
(19:21):
photo, and black is just black.
Jordan (19:26):
so wait, I kind of like them and yeah, black black is
back.
I might, yeah all three.
I think so, but yeah, we'll doit after this episode, because
now I feel like I feel like nowwe should like wait, because I
(19:47):
also want to double check on thesize.
Fabienne (19:49):
Fine, okay, okay, george.
What are we talking about?
What are we talking about?
Jordan (19:56):
What are we talking about?
We are talking about Deep End,or like Fall of Things, deep
Dive by Ali Hazelwood.
Fabienne (20:04):
I'm so sorry.
Okay, in my defense I wanted tocreate like a tagline for it.
So I was like we're gonna likedeep dive into deep end, but
then I forgot that it wasn't thetagline and it just went
without us.
You know, it's gonna be thetitle, I think.
I think it was the title, Ithink it was called deep dive,
(20:24):
and then you said maybe weshould call deep end.
Jordan (20:27):
Oh, yeah, yeah, stupid so when you said, when you sent
me those edits, I saw them likereally small on my like watch
and because we did the episodedeep dive into I won't say what
it's a surprise or depending onI don't know where it's coming
in this schedule.
Um, so I thought the edits werefor that episode and I was
(20:52):
almost going to be like, um, fob, I feel like these edits would
work so well for deep end.
And then I realized, oh no,like she wants it to be for deep
end, my bad, and I was like mybad I.
I also would like us to pointout that we were gonna do this
as a two-parter, but I feel likeit needed to support fob,
(21:14):
support you.
I just went like third, thirdperson there first we really
should support fob.
Yes we really should, everyoneshould, but in, you just were
like obsessed with reading itand you didn't want to stop.
I'm kind of glad, so sorry.
I'm kind of glad that you okay,we, we didn't stop there,
(21:36):
because I feel like the partthat we would have stopped at
would have been like brutal.
For today I know, and I feel Ifinished, I finished my part
like Friday night, like the partone, what would have been one
that waiting these four dayswould have been brutal.
Fabienne (21:56):
Honestly same.
Like I finished them up untilthe part, I think, maybe like
Saturday or so, like just likewhen the weekend started and I
thought, if I have to stop now,I'm going to tear my hair out of
my head, cause I really have to.
Just I can't, I have to, I haveto continue.
So I texted you like I can'tstop, and then you offered this
(22:17):
golden solution, like, do youjust want to continue?
Do you just want to?
You know, like, do this, likeas like a one-parter instead of,
like you know, split up intotwo parts?
Jordan (22:25):
I'm like fuck yes, fuck yes, thank you, yes, but I'm so
glad we did.
I actually really enjoyed thisstory.
I thought it was so good Ithought too.
Fabienne (22:37):
I thought so too.
The thing is I there are a fewI obviously, because I I do have
a few things that I want tolike note on Me too.
Jordan (22:46):
Me too, like I didn't read your review Plus, I haven't
posted mine yet because Iwanted to say them on the
podcast first.
Fabienne (22:53):
But okay, smart, um, no, let me just like point out
all the great things.
I love the characters.
I love the storyline.
I love Lucas, I love Lucas, Ilove Lucas.
I mean, that's a given.
I also loved Penelope.
Actually, what I love Penelope?
(23:15):
There are a few things that Iwas really bothered by when it
comes to her, but I loved her asa character character in the
book, because it also I'll cometo this in a second.
I know that Allie is, yeah,allie right, allie Hazelwood.
I know that Allie is like knownfor her like intelligent, like
(23:39):
characters right, because she, Ithink, has also like, studied a
STEM degree or whatever.
Jordan (23:47):
Um, I think I have I might be wrong.
Fabienne (23:49):
I mean, it makes sense she has like I think she has
like actual field practice andlike knowledge in that sense, um
, but I love that she writesthese people because you don't
really come across those typesof characters often.
I'd say, um, in rom-com.
I feel like the characters aremore like not slapstick, but
just like very simplistic typeof characters.
(24:12):
I say very subtly, um, butthere is like a rich layer to
like Scarlet and also toPenelope, but also to Lucas, and
they're just like smart, smartand I don't know why, but it
really, it really made myacademic heart glow sort of um.
I like the.
I really enjoyed like theacademic background, I really
(24:34):
enjoyed the like the drive oflike them competing, like in the
nationals, like the worlds,like the, even like the, the
olympics you know, like they'retraining for, like their divers
team, for like the swimming team.
I didn't, I didn't think that Iwould enjoy this book so much,
because you know how, you knowmy stance on bride yes, but so I
(24:55):
okay.
Jordan (24:56):
But like, sorry, I wanted to go based.
No, no, no, no, you go, I do.
I did really enjoy that.
They they are very smartcookies.
But I'm also like this is acollege romance and the words
that they used.
I was like I didn't know whathalf of them fucking meant Me
(25:17):
being in my 30s.
I'm like googling shit, beinglike what, and I was like what
fucking 21 year old would usethis word.
So I did, but I did appreciate,like the more complex
characters, how they're verysmart.
But I was also like you are incollege and I don't, besides the
biology words like those madesense because she's studying it,
(25:39):
she's pre-med, I get it.
But like the overall dialoguewith the big words, I was like I
don't fully understand why youwent in that direction.
But I do appreciate the womanin stem, biology, pre-med, all
that stuff.
So I get that, but I just thebig works in between dialogues.
(26:04):
It's like yeah, like you are a21 year old college student.
I don't know a 21 year oldcollege student that would talk
like that I mean sequestered,you know, like acquiesce.
Fabienne (26:15):
I have no idea.
Jordan (26:16):
I had to like a thesaurus for that shit yeah,
yeah, I was like, but I did findlike moments like and I okay
and like I'm just taking it likefrom an example so, like my
best friend, she was pre-med.
Fabienne (26:29):
Yeah.
Jordan (26:29):
And so she had like, so she would talk like with, like
science and like thoseterminologies and I thought that
like that like made sense.
But like in her everydaydialogue with like me or other
people, she wasn't using bigwords.
She wasn't day dialogue withlike me or other people, it she
wasn't using big words.
Fabienne (26:47):
She wasn't and I don't know she was maybe dumbing it
down for me, but like I was likeguys, jordan is visiting,
jordan is visiting.
Jordan (26:52):
Please, please, lower the rate of your phone please
yeah yeah, she doesn't knowthose like 20 letter words uh,
jordan, this is a door, sorry,no yeah, but like, but I still
like appreciate, like I loved.
(27:13):
I loved that it was like adiving swimming, like dynamic
and like training for theolympics and I thought it was
kind of cool that he was alsopre-med yeah and yeah, okay.
I loved it, I did love it.
Fabienne (27:31):
Well, I just thought it was really interesting in a
very positive way, becausenormally when you say that like
the general, you it's more oflike I mean this was interesting
.
But no, I thought it was reallyinteresting how she learned,
just I want to almost say like aregular college romance, but
made it, like you know, a littlebit grittier, a little bit
(27:52):
kinkier.
I thought that was really.
I thought how, how, like, howdo you come up with that shit?
Like, how do you come up withoh, you know, I'm going to write
about like two people whocompete in sports and college
but also they're heavily intoBDSM.
I mean, how do you come up withthat?
Jordan (28:07):
Yeah, and that was, I guess, the other thing.
I'm like what 21-year-old knowsthat this is what they want
with sex.
I feel like it could have beenplayed around with more.
That I was kind of like why Ithink you could have dived into
this story and having them be intheir like 30s or 40s and it
(28:28):
would make a little bit moresense.
But it was almost like he was15 and he knew he wanted to like
tie someone up and she was 15and she knew she wanted to be a
submissive, like I don't knowLike.
That was like a little lessbelievable for me too, but
overall like and like.
So my rating on this is likefour point five.
I still overall love this story, but there were just a few
(28:51):
things that I'm like.
This is knocking it down alittle bit for me, but real
Because I agree.
Yeah, but I do like that.
There was like the Amsterdam inthere.
I thought that was cool, I know.
Fabienne (29:04):
I know, I know I felt like really well, like
represented right there, as youshould, but then I didn't really
fully grasp, like the it's notlike the author's note where she
says like this for theAmsterdams, because I thought oh
something really, really blownup big is going to happen in,
like you know, like the scene.
(29:25):
But it was just I say againbetween air quotes, it was just
like the um, the balcony scene,like there wasn't like a really
grand sort of chapter, just likethe possible talks about the
future, maybe like what do youwant in a she possibly wanted in
life?
Jordan (29:44):
yeah, I kind of agree, like I was.
I think I was expecting alittle bit more from the
amsterdam section, just becausethis one it has to be for the
amsterdams.
So I agree.
Yeah, I don't fully understandthat either.
I do think the ending was a bitrushed, just because I was like
I would have loved to see you,Like I feel like there's this
(30:06):
buildup to the Olympics and thenit's like like it doesn't
really happen, Like it's justkind of like and I understand,
like eventually you have to endit and like I know that the
whole premise of the book isn'ttechnically the Olympics and she
like overcomes, like her inwarddives and things like that but
(30:27):
I, I don't know, like, I stillthink the ending was rushed.
I don't know, like, how youwould end it, but I still don't
I think it's also like a reallylike.
Fabienne (30:38):
It's.
It's a risky type of like trick.
You know, when you write aromance like a rom-com, well
it's not a rom-com but just likea light romance.
But they're not like set inlike the college, you know, like
college age, sure no, it's justlike a college setting.
And then these people, they'relike what?
Early mid-20s, early to mid-20sum, I thought like wait, let me
(31:01):
just rephrase this.
I love the storyline, but therewasn't an actual like.
When you look at a story andthe sense of like how you write
it, there's like the beginning,there's like the midsection,
there's like the rising action,the climax, and then the falling
action.
Right, I thought that was a bitjumbled in this book because I
couldn't really pinpoint whatthe big climax was.
(31:22):
But then I thought it's becauseto really pinpoint what the big
climax was.
But then I thought it's becauseI thought this was going to be
like the inward dice.
And then she overcomes, likethis, you know this, this mental
block that she has, and thenshe performs really well at a
really, you know, like eitherthe nationals or just like the
olympics, like you just said.
Yeah exactly, but the climax inthis book, or like the story,
(31:43):
climax that Penelope went off onher.
Jordan (31:48):
Yeah.
And then like I'm like that'ssuch a weird.
And then it was like I feellike there was so much focus on
the inward dives and the blockand it almost seemed like the
romance took like a back burnerto that.
Like the romance took like aback burner to that, yeah, but
then like basically at the endit was like she already
(32:09):
overcomes the block in a waythat she was like, okay, I'm
gonna make the climax being theromance.
So it's basically penelope likegoing back on her, not back on
her, where they like I don'twant to say penelope lying, but
like like her being like oh, howcould you do this to me?
Even though they were broken up.
You know Lucas is like rightthere.
(32:29):
But then it was likeinteresting, because Scarlett
was like I can't do this, likestop, yeah.
So then it was like and then heleaves and he's in like Sweden
and she goes and gets him andhe's like I do appreciate, I do
like the ending in the way ofshe goes and she does this like
(32:52):
big grand gesture of going toSweden to see Lucas, and Lucas
is like basically you'reforgiven, I appreciated that
only for the fact of what wehave, as Lucas is like an
obsessed male main character.
So, of course, when she showslike initiative and is like I
want to be with you, he's like,oh yes, of course.
(33:13):
Like finally, you likeacknowledge it, you, you realize
like we're in this together andso he's like I can't be mad at
you because I just know youexist, just knowing or reminded
that you exist.
So I do like the ending in thatway, but I agree with you of
like reaching the climax doesn'tfully, it's like jumbled, like
(33:36):
you were saying for this bookyeah, like I, I, yes, I think.
I think the inward dive wouldhave been the better climax and
have the romance be on the backburner for the climax, just
because I feel like, technically, planellope and him were broken
(33:59):
up so like this was kind oflike, almost like it's like it.
Fabienne (34:01):
It had the potential to reach this like bigger climax
, but it didn't because of theplot line already yeah so
instead of like going here, itwas like here yeah, am I a child
for thinking every time that Isaid climax lucas and scarlet,
lucas and scarlet.
I love, though I mean what wejust said, like if we had split
(34:27):
this episode into two parts.
I love the build-up to whenthey finally do it.
Jordan (34:34):
I love this patient yes, I also, I also love to, I okay.
So I kind of loved the partwhere they do it and then he
like doesn't contact her forlike days and she's like, what
did I?
do wrong like, because I feellike and like I thought that was
(34:54):
so her to like second guess it,but she's like I know this was
just sex, so like in a way, it'skind of this miscommunication,
but it works for thesecharacters.
And then then they go out withhis brother and his brother
starts being like oh, Iliterally wrote it down.
But like his brother is like oh, he doesn't.
Fabienne (35:17):
Oh, my God, yeah, no no, no, I know I know which part
you're talking about with thecontrol part, right, like he
used to do this all the time hewas younger, like with sweets or
just like, yeah, he'll sleep onthe floor because his bed was
too comfortable.
Jordan (35:30):
He took cold showers for a year, so I was like, oh my
gosh, this is why he hasn'tcontacted her, because he
enjoyed it so much that he'slike I need to restrain myself.
And he and she was like how long, myself?
And he and she was like howlong, how long did you give
yourself?
And he's like 15 days.
And she's like Well, I guessit's a couple days.
And I loved the fact for herbeing like you know well, how
(35:50):
did you know what?
I would forgive you?
How, how do you know that Iwould let you come back?
And he's like I didn't.
And she's like Goodbye, lucas,and I was.
I love that.
I was like yes, yeah, becausehe didn't Put yourself first.
Exactly, and then he had togrovel a little bit, being like
I'm sorry, I owe you an apology,and I was like, yeah, you do,
you can't.
(36:10):
And he's like I've never had todo that where another person
was involved, and I was like,yes, lucas, yes.
Fabienne (36:18):
And then I love, though, how, like, how vocal,
guess, um, mature, I almost wantto say, even though it was like
a childish move, you know, liketo go somewhere.
This is baby's first ghosting.
This is baby's first ghosting.
I don't know what to do.
What do I do?
What did I do?
Rob?
Like that was actually reallycute, but also very well not
relatable, because I am a ghost,luckily, um, you know, since I
(36:41):
live with the fucking man but, Ijust meant to say what no, it's
gonna be like it's.
Jordan (36:50):
It would be really hard if he goes to do because you
just come home and be like babe,just not look at me walk up and
down the stairs like um, but um.
Fabienne (37:01):
I like that part and I think it could be relatable in
that sense.
Does that make sense?
I don't know, but I loved it.
I don't know.
I just I think honestly, wait,I'm really rambling now, but I
think I'm actually going to givebride another chance too, but
we'll talk about that anothertime oh my gosh, that makes me
(37:22):
so happy.
I'm excited for mate.
Jordan (37:25):
I'm so excited for mate because I really like the idea
of mates.
Oh, you know did you also seethat she has like another book
coming out in may?
I feel like that.
Fabienne (37:35):
So I think I saw that I'm like kind of excited for
that isn't that going to be likea second book in another series
or something?
Because I saw some people likescreenshotting like this picture
on goodreads with where one wascalled like untitled 2025 and
then on the same date it wasgoing to be was also untitled,
(37:58):
but then it said that it waspart of a series which I don't
recall.
Jordan (38:01):
Then it was like hashtag number two or like number two,
so I don't know but that thatmight be for me, because I know
meat was a couple differentthings, being like number two
it's possible, but this thatcould also be for the one that's
coming out in May, um, but I'mnot sure.
But like, maybe that's anotherbook club one if we're both into
(38:23):
it, because I feel like I thinkI have a feeling that her books
, like her later books, are theones for us.
Because I think I don't think Iwould ever read her earlier
books, like the love hypothesis,love on the brain, love
theoretically except someone didtell me that love theoretically
is like pretty good, but Ithink they're those first three
(38:47):
are a little too much on, likethe miscommunication where I
feel like bride deep end and I'mhoping mate are like a little
more our speed.
And so I'm very excited forlike future books of hers for
(39:07):
like future books of hers.
I'm curious, though, becauseyou know, you know my stance on
like illustrated covers.
Yeah, do you?
Don't like this one?
Fabienne (39:15):
I actually do like this one because, regardless of
like the insinuation that'sgoing on on, you know, like the
cover, you know like the thewink wink type of situation.
I like the colors, I like justthe way it's been illustrated.
But what I don't like it's when, when it looks like a comic
book.
So when you have, for example,love, theoretically the love
hypothesis, or that's literallya comic book.
Jordan (39:41):
I love it, though I'm like I actually of course you do
but I but my thing is is I lovethis more than her her covers.
I know what you mean with theother covers, like I don't it
looks, so ya yeah, I don't lovethe faces.
I like that you can't see facesin this, but I actually love
the layout of this.
(40:02):
Is it a hardcover?
Oh, it is a hardcover, yeahTime to get wet.
It's probably smart.
Fabienne (40:09):
You suck on those apps , honey.
Jordan (40:11):
Oh I, they're there.
Fabienne (40:16):
They're hard.
Jordan (40:16):
So I do love this kind of cover, but I know what you
mean.
Like her other covers, like herLove Hypothesis cover, I don't
love.
I don't totally love Bride'scover, but I love the content.
Have you seen Maze's cover?
No, it's on Goodreads, do you?
Fabienne (40:40):
like it.
Jordan (40:42):
Oh yeah, no, oh Wait, I'm so confused not particularly
.
Fabienne (40:52):
Oh.
So it might be like a kindlerate for me, you know, when no
one ever sees what I'm reading,not that it matters.
Jordan (40:58):
I mean, I think this one's like definitely by far her
like best cover in my opinion.
Yeah, yeah, and I'm so fuckingglad this wasn't titled wet.
I don't, I don't like thattitle.
I don't like that title at all,deep end is so it actually is.
Fabienne (41:16):
It sounds a little bit disgusting, actually wet, you
know exactly like I feel likenot a good kind.
Jordan (41:23):
Yeah, like I think, especially the way she had it
spelled like, and then like,even like probably smut decided
to put on the back, like time toget wet, and I'm like no,
absolutely, not absolutely not.
I think that's just likeunpopular opinion, because I
think everybody was like, oh, itshould have been titled wet.
And I'm like absolutely noteverybody wanting it to be
(41:47):
titled.
What?
Fabienne (41:49):
you go suck a dick.
Yes, wait, wait, I actually, Iactually, actually, actually, I
think I took some.
I, okay, so you know what gotlost all my pens, pencils and
tab during the move, so I stillhave to buy some.
So I had to go back and forthwith, like, the kindle edition
(42:09):
and taking photos of theparagraph, so I hope that I can
find one.
Um, um, I think so.
For some reason.
I found this excerpt apparentlyinteresting because I took a
(42:33):
picture of it, um, it's, and,but of course I didn't take a
picture of the fucking pagenumber um, but it's um, at their
like at her coach's house, likewhen he does like his yearly
like barbecue thing.
Um, I loved when she kind oflike rescues lucas from, oh, her
coach's mom.
Yeah, like the interrogationand then, like I love the way
(42:57):
that they like were speakingwithout actually like talking to
one another, like their eyesmade all the connection and like
their body language.
I was like I'm so here for it,I'm so here, yes, like when she
says penelope is looking for you, and it was like, oh, is she
really?
Like when he deadpans like that, like, is she, oh?
Jordan (43:13):
I actually I love the whole dynamic they have, like
the especially.
I thought like there weredefinitely some really funny
moments during it, like in thebeginning, when um scarlet meets
with her like professor andshe's like there's no grade on
here, and he was like basicallylike this is, like this is I
have grad students working onthis and you are undergrad, and
(43:36):
she's like um and he's and itmentioned something about like a
grade and then she's like, well, if it's no difference to you,
I'd like an A plus and like I Ilaughed out loud at that part,
like just like the way it waslike written.
I thought it was so, so funny.
And then even just like thingsbetween Lucas and her that I
(43:56):
thought were funny.
And I loved the aspect too oflike him being known as like
someone that doesn't giveemotion, but really he had.
He's very expressive, but justno one would see it that like no
one saw it except scarlet.
So I think, like I think itjust goes to show that like they
were meant for each other theyreally were.
Fabienne (44:19):
I also think it was a good representation of like
their ages, regardless of likewhat we just said about um, how
bdsm is like explored and likewith their ages, like it doesn't
really make a full, completesense, like being, then being
relatively young and then havingum, I guess, desire to explore
BDSM.
(44:40):
It would have made a little bitmore sense if they were like
depicted a little bit like inthe early thirties, um, but I
did love um because wait, whatdid I want to say?
Um, because they are relativelyyoung.
I liked how Allie wrote umScarlet Struggles, you know,
(45:02):
because when we go back forthbetween her confusion when it
comes to like Penn and Lucas,her confusion when it comes to
like Penn and Lucas, like, oh,but wait, do I not?
Maybe I don't know Lucas thatwell, because Penn says that he
is this and this, but I don'tknow him as such, so maybe I
haven't.
I know.
(45:22):
So I, yes, I totally agree withyou that was a really long one,
one uh winded way of trying tosay that.
So thank you for picking that up, um but, I, I kind of like, I I
really liked her.
I yeah, just like, notnecessarily confusion, but just
insecure.
Yes, I think that was.
(45:42):
I think that's really well inthis book.
Um, also, I know this bookdoesn't really pass like the
bechdel test or like the whatthe bechdel test.
It's like when two women arelike in one scene, like be it
like in a book, a movie, peter,peter, whatever they talk about
something else other than theirromantic love and then,
(46:05):
typically speaking, theirhetonormative romantic love.
So, for example, if you and Iwere to talk and we talk about
anything other than men orromantic love, then we do pass
this test and it's named after awoman who came up with the test
, hence the weird name Bechdelor Bechdel or whatever.
But obviously Penn and Scarlett, all they talk about is diving
(46:31):
and lucas.
So it doesn't pass that test.
But I love their.
Jordan (46:35):
I don't even know what I want to say.
This test is it so we have toonly talk about men and our
romantic interests?
Fabienne (46:44):
no, no, no, no wait, let me just.
Let me look it up real quick.
Like, do we pass this?
Jordan (46:49):
test.
Fabienne (46:50):
Well, not for this book, but just when we talk
normally.
Yes, we do.
Jordan (46:56):
Yeah, no, no, I oh okay, so, oh, so in an overall
conversation, yeah.
Fabienne (47:01):
Okay, wait.
The Bechdel test, also known asthe Bechdel-Wallace test, is a
measure of representation ofwomen in film and television.
The test asks whether a workfeatures at least two women who
have a conversation about oh,wait, wait, have a conversation
about what a man other than aman?
or oh other heteronormativeromantic love.
(47:23):
Yes, so work of fiction,passing or failing the test is
not necessarily the overallrepresentation of women at work.
No, that's it.
The test asks whether a workfeatures at least two women who
have a conversation aboutsomething else other than a man.
Jordan (47:45):
Oh, and you're saying Penn and Scarlett's only, like
they literally only talk aboutdiving and Lucas yes they
honestly do Like I thought thatlike that kind of frustrated me
when Scarlett was like she's mybest friend and I was like
literally all you talk about isLucas.
Fabienne (48:03):
Well, maybe that's only like what happens, though,
like in the book.
You know, like what?
We don't see what's happening,like in between the lines, it's
just talked about they hadcoffee, they had dinner.
We don't know what they talkedabout.
Have to assume we just have tofill in the gaps ourselves.
But when they actually, likewhen Ali writes their dialogues,
it's all.
It's only Lucas and you knowwhat's his name, theo that
(48:28):
breaks up with Penn in the end.
Oh yeah, so, so yeah, there area bit.
There are like a few pointersthat I'm like could be done
better, could have been better,but I still really, really
enjoyed it, yes.
Jordan (48:44):
Yes, and I feel like these are like the good books
that we're starting with, likeAllie Hazelwood as opposed to
like the love hypothesis.
Fabienne (48:54):
I don't think I could go back to that.
I think it's like an Akatarbook and then you know, picking
up the Cruel Prince type ofsituation.
Jordan (49:02):
I don't think I could do that like I don't think I could
do that either, like I think Iwould need to, just, but I think
I could continue on.
So like I don't know if I couldread the other books of hers,
but I think I could read, likemate, maybe this one that comes
out in May, if it's not like asequel to another one of her
books.
But I feel like her writing isalmost essentially getting
(49:24):
stronger.
So I'm excited, I'm so excitedfor me, so excited, and then I
can't wait to see, like, futurebooks I also saw.
Fabienne (49:40):
I saw people like commenting that there's like a
cameo on this.
Obviously, since I haven't readthe writer's stuff, I didn't
pick up on that there's no cameoyeah like this, this olive
smith.
Oh, and then there is theprofessor is that somebody in
another book.
Yeah, oh my god and maybe herhusband do you think that was
(50:03):
like another book?
Yeah, like adam, apparently,because that's isn't't that like
the love hypothesis?
Jordan (50:10):
I have no fucking clue.
Fabienne (50:13):
Like this Adam guy and all of something, something.
Wait, look at the blurb, for Iknow you don't read blurbs, but
just do this once for thepodcast.
Jordan (50:23):
Look up the blurb, please, for the love hypothesis
oh, mate, ooh, ooh.
I do not like the cover formate.
Oh, problematic summer romance,that's okay.
sorry, love hypothesis, I'mgoing, I'm going wait that would
actually be so cute if olivewas like and she like threw her
(50:44):
into this one oh my god, as ifsorry, the love hypothesis when
a fake relationship betweenscientists meet meets the
irresistible force of attraction, it throws one woman carefully
calculated theories on love intochaos.
As a third year ph candidate,olive smith doesn't believe in
lasting romantic relationships,but her best friend does.
(51:07):
That's what got her into this.
And then, oh my god, the man.
The man is none other than adamcarlson, a young hotshot
professor, known oh I, andwell-known ass.
Oh my god.
And then that's that'sscarlet's professor, who was
like you should go like um, this.
(51:27):
Um, mrs smith, is she's doinglike this project and you should
?
Oh my god, so cute.
I had no idea.
Fabienne (51:37):
No fucking clue so neither did I.
Safe to say, this was not myreaction.
I was just no as to like Ihadn't, like you haven't read
the love hypothesis.
But okay, never mind, nevermind't.
Okay, never mind, never mind,never mind.
No, okay, never mind.
Jordan (51:53):
But I love when authors do that and like throw in cameos
, like that.
Fabienne (51:58):
And I think it's so funny, it's cute.
Jordan (52:00):
Like those are her professors.
Fuck, I want to read the LoveHypothesis now.
Fabienne (52:07):
See big words D hypothesis.
Now dumb it down.
Big words scarlet, where's?
Jordan (52:16):
scarlet and lucas.
I think she was still like akindergarten?
Fabienne (52:17):
at that point probably probably no, okay, maybe middle
school, maybe middle school butI I still don't.
Jordan (52:22):
I don't know if I would actually love the love
hypothesis, just like I've knownpeople that have read it and
they'll be like.
They were kind of like jordan,I think you wouldn't like I
think it's gonna be really why.
I think it's gonna no, no, Ithink it's like super.
I think it is pretty spicy.
Um, I think there's just like alot like it's it.
Fabienne (52:41):
It's very heavily like miscommunication, though oh, I
don't like miscommunication,just fucking talk to one another
same sorry, um, okay, oh, also,which is the fun thing?
Well, not a fun, um, you knowhow I don't ever really like
(53:07):
read epilogues, because the bookjust ends for me at the final
chapter or at least maybe youtried to forget and you were now
right badly, but I read theepilogue and I actually loved it
.
I love like the little tidbits,like the little snippets into
their lives, as opposed to justone big chunk of one scene me
(53:28):
too and I liked that it was fromhis perspective.
Jordan (53:31):
I think that's cool because most of this book well,
I mean all of this book is fromscarlett's pov, so I love that.
The epilogue it was fromlucas's point of view, so it's
it's these little snippets, butthen you get his point of view
and it's just like their lead upto like the end A few years
later, their PhD student ortheir doctors, doctors.
Fabienne (53:59):
Doctors.
Jordan (54:00):
Because they're smart, because they're so smart and use
big words.
Fabienne (54:04):
Mm-hmm, they don't have to dumb it down.
Jordan (54:07):
No.
Fabienne (54:09):
No, they don't.
Oh no, I loved it.
End of story.
No, I genuinely really loved it, so I'm going to give Ride a
second chance.
Jordan (54:17):
Thank you, maybe well, I was going to say you could give
the audio a chance, but you'renot really into audio.
Fabienne (54:23):
But um, I won't see the exclamation marks in that,
though Probably will hear it.
Everyone is shouting Justeveryone's yelling.
How are you doing Really good?
Jordan (54:35):
How about you?
What would your star?
Fabienne (54:41):
rating be for this one .
I actually did.
I gave it a star rating.
Oh wait, I never told you, soI'm sort of like off on good
reason.
I still use it to like look atbooks and look at blurbs and
like look at reviews, but I'mnot in love with the interface,
so I'm using margins, um what's.
I'll take a screenshot.
I'll take a screenshot for youand I'll send it after.
(55:02):
Um.
But I rated it on margins and Igave it a 4.25 because you
can't do that on margins, and Igave it a 4.25 because you can't
do that on margins.
Jordan (55:12):
I like story graph because it's the same you do
like 4.5, so mine was 4.5.
But what I do is I pick.
I still use goodreads because Ilike posting my goodreads
reviews on, like my stories,yeah, but what I'll do is I'll
give it whatever the main ratingis.
So like this one, I said it wasfour on goodreads, but then in
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my like review I'll put 4.5stars.
So you see the full rating.
But I do like 0.5, 0.25, 0.75,um, because it's like, it's not
like.
I feel like I covet that fivestar rating.
So it needs to be a masterpiecefor me to give it five stars.
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So if there's a few things thatI don't love it's it won't be
five stars.
Fabienne (56:02):
You either have to like fly right through it or you
have to be incrediblyentertained by it.
The dialogues must be reallywitty, fun, smart.
Jordan (56:11):
But yes, and, and it could be just vibes Like if I
had like the time of my lifereading it, it will be the five
stars.
Like I gave a five star to thislike fantasy book that I
literally finished in like twodays just because I was flying
through it.
Maybe it had some plot holes,maybe it didn't, but like I
still flew through it and it was.
I was here for the vibes, Ithought it was funny.
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I love the inner monologue ofthe female main character, so
like it will get five starsbecause of that.
But like this one, even thoughI loved it, flew through it,
there was still like thosethings that we talked about that
I was like, oh, this isknocking down a bit for me, yeah
(56:58):
, yeah.
So I, I, yeah, I'm, I'm herefor it here for it, here for it,
oh, oh, oh I love this.
Fabienne (57:02):
I know wait is this like your phone background?
Oh yeah, it is.
I'm like.
I'm just trying to show youthat you can like use it as a
widget.
Jordan (57:11):
Oh, I was not noticing that, I was just noticing.
I love the apps and your photobackground.
Fabienne (57:18):
Thank you Coffee, because what else?
Jordan (57:22):
Literally what else.
I wish this was my background.
I love these.
I want to change my thing sobadly, like my my, like yeah,
but like it just seems like alot of work.
Fabienne (57:36):
No, it doesn't.
You can just use your color.
You don't have to like change,you don't have like wait.
Do you mean like the shortcutsthing?
Jordan (57:45):
You can do that.
No, like see how yours aredifferent colors Like mine.
You can do that.
Yours are different colors likemine.
Yeah, but you just yeah.
Fabienne (57:51):
but honey, you just press your screen and then
everything just like jumbles,like starts moving, and then you
press an edit and it'scustomized.
Then you have like a bar withlike the color slider.
That's it.
Wait what?
Jordan (58:10):
Wait what.
Fabienne (58:11):
Jordan, I'm dumbing it down for you open up your phone
, unlock your phone open.
Jordan (58:16):
My phone is open.
My phone is open please help me.
Fabienne (58:18):
Okay, okay, you just press like on, I don't know,
like on your home screen, likeuntil it just starts edit home
screen.
Yes, edit and then customize.
Jordan (58:30):
Okay, edit.
Fabienne (58:35):
Customize and now be ready to be blown away.
You can even do like large, andthen you don't have like the
names of the apps.
It just looks like you know,like one of those dumb phones, I
guess, and then dark.
You can do small, you can dowhatever.
Jordan (59:01):
I am obsessed.
Oh, my gosh Right Fantastic.
Thank you so much.
Fabienne (59:09):
Oh my god, you're welcome're welcome.
Jordan (59:11):
Oh, this is so cool.
I can't wait.
I'm gonna leave it like thisfor now, but I can't wait to
play with around with it moreafter this episode.
But I am literally so happythat we read this book and we
got to do it as a buddy read onbook club because I think I
think so many people enjoyedthis book and there's I did see
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a few people being likeabsolutely not, no, and gave it
like two stars, and I don'tfully know where I feel.
Like you know how sometimes youcan understand how someone can
rate it two stars even though,like you might have loved the
book and you did not rate it twostars.
I don't fully understand whereeverybody, like where people are
coming from, that they'rerating it that low and they
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didn't like it.
I honestly cannot understand.
But each reading is subjectiveand you're allowed to have your
opinions on your whatever booksyou want to read.
That's all I'll end with andyeah, on your whatever books you
want to read, that's all I'llend with and yeah no good ending
(01:00:15):
, let's, let's leave it at this.
Fabienne (01:00:18):
Yes yes, yes, okay, right there yeah, it was worth
the F though.
Jordan (01:00:26):
I know this is fine what was that sound?
Fabienne (01:00:32):
I'm out, sorry, okay.
Jordan (01:00:38):
Wait, wait.
Fabienne (01:00:42):
But nothing came out.
I'm hitting stop.
I'm hitting stop.
Okay, bye.
Thank you so much for listening.
Jordan (01:00:48):
And please don't forget to rate and review wherever you
can find us.
So catch you next time.
Bye.
welcome to the bookish hour with joran fob also
recording no way, oh my god, no,no, we can like leave this in,
because I was actually gonna saythat he is the new little
edition.
His, his name is Nero Ro forshort.
He's so cute.
Fabienne (00:29):
This is adorable.
You got a third cat.
Yeah, he's so small, he's sosmall.
He really is.
Jordan (00:40):
I think he's only like nine and a half weeks.
Fabienne (00:43):
Are you kidding?
Jordan (00:44):
I feel like we got him a little too early.
Fabienne (00:48):
Oh my god yeah, and it's a boy, and it's another boy
.
Yeah, adorable so cute.
Jordan (00:57):
I'm obsessed with him.
Um, I did.
When did you get him?
Saturday, saturday, oh also,don't you?
Don't mind me, I'm gonna take aquick selfie.
Fabienne (01:12):
Well, yeah, selfie, wait, wait, let me prepare let
me oh, not, not with me in thebackground oh no, with you in
the background.
Jordan (01:22):
Okay, hopefully that looked good I don't think so.
Fabienne (01:26):
I don't think it did, at least I didn't.
Jordan (01:27):
But that's okay it didn't, because I didn't reverse
it such nice hats on the wallthough.
Such nice hats such nice onemore time, one more time, one
more time, one more time, thepeople listening um this if you
see my story, this is like whereit's from.
I just took a bunch, sohopefully, did you see my go-to
(01:54):
pose?
Fabienne (01:56):
uh, it's always like the p sign and like still the
duck face.
I'm 31 years old and I can't, Ican't, not, do, do it.
Jordan (02:04):
It's, it's totally.
We got to do it one more timethough.
Fabienne (02:07):
There I go again, it's fine.
Jordan (02:09):
I love it Only because you see my like closet in the
background.
So I was like this needs to bea little bit better.
You can't really.
Oh, you can kind of see you.
It's cute though.
Fabienne (02:22):
But I wanted to see you, that's.
That was the aim, just a littleactually do we?
Jordan (02:29):
should we cut this out, because I feel like this is not
quite.
I thought this would take apodcast material yeah, maybe.
Fabienne (02:40):
Maybe we leave it in, maybe.
Jordan (02:42):
Maybe not.
Who knows, the guess is as goodas ours.
Okay, one more time.
Pop.
One more time.
One more time, okay, okay, staystrong For the people in the
back.
Fabienne (02:54):
Yeah.
Jordan (02:55):
Yeah, okay, you can definitely see you better in
this one because it's like Imade you bigger, but it's still
not the best.
But I thought this would be acute.
Thanks for the consideration.
I thought this would be cutebecause I was like, oh, maybe I
should post this today on mystory but tag the bookish hour
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and then reshare it.
If you saw this story, then nowyou know when we were talking
about it.
Fabienne (03:28):
Exactly.
Put one on a weight is two andtwo in English Stupid.
Put two and two together, yeah.
Jordan (03:37):
But what is your good week Fab?
Now we can actually get intothis.
Fabienne (03:42):
The important stuff, my good week.
Granted, the week has only justbegun, but technically, last
week was good because I sort ofdecided to one sign up for
another race, like a 10K race.
Oh my gosh, that's awesome,thank you.
(04:03):
It's still like a little faraway, slow though, like in, um,
the end of may.
So I have a few more months,slash weeks to train not that I
really have to train for a 10k,um that I feel like that sounded
like I was fragging.
No, wait, 10k.
I run like 10k on the regular,so I don't really have to, you
(04:24):
know, train for it.
But it's still nice because Iwant to cross that threshold of,
like you know, um, joining likea race, to actually participate
in a race and like to have theexperience of a race, and I
really haven't done any in thepast year, even though I talked
to you about it definitelybefore like hey, I, hey, I've
(04:44):
picked up running again.
I know that you have to, by theway, because I've seen you in
stories, um, but I just want toI don't know, you know step out
a little out of my comfort zoneand I think joining a race, like
as a solo runner, cause I don'tlike I I'm not joining like any
um running clubs, which areapparently a real thing and like
(05:06):
it's like up and coming here inamsterdam too, because whenever
I go out for a run sorry, I'mgoing off on a tangent I see
like little actual clubs ofpeople like hobbing along like
the canals and like just likehaving a coffee afterwards, and
actually that would be so coolthat would be so fun.
Jordan (05:23):
You wait, are you gonna join one?
Fabienne (05:25):
no, no, no, no, no, I'm too awkward for that.
I, I don't know how to like goon about that and, just like you
know, literally join that likethose people be like hi, um, I
want to join and have a coffeeafter I.
I can't.
I, I don't know how to approachthat type of like social
settings, so I'd rather not.
(05:46):
Um, however, that did get methinking.
I was like I also saw like thisis somewhat related, okay, um,
so the coffee club thing as well.
After the running thing, I waslike I've seen on Instagram also
for sure that peopletransformed their kitchen slash
(06:07):
apartments into like a home cafeand then invited all of their
friends.
Have you seen one of thosereels?
Or just like the content thatpeople like opened up their
homes for like their friendsinstead of like an actual, you
know, like night party, more oflike a darty, if you will, or
just like a marty well, Ihaven't seen those reels, but
(06:30):
I'm here for it, so are youdoing it or have you done it
well?
no, but I, I want to.
I want to host one.
So I've been making likeinvites on canva and like the
coffee menus on canva.
I still have to send out theactual invites, though, oh my
gosh wait that.
Jordan (06:47):
I know I it's actually like impossible for me to go,
but please send me an invite anda coffee menu because I want to
see it.
Maybe you could like also putone in english for me to be able
to read it.
I can get like a few things.
I'll I'll.
Fabienne (07:02):
I'll do the invite regardless in english because it
looks cooler in english anyways.
So I got you.
I want to see the inviteregardless in English, because
it looks cooler in Englishanyways.
Jordan (07:06):
So I got you.
I want to see the invite, soplease send them to me.
Fabienne (07:11):
I will.
I have two mock-ups ready, soI'm still like undecided like to
use like which one, but I thinkthey both look cute Like one is
more like artisanal, like asketchy, like more mediterranean
type of vibe, and the other oneis like the cool kids club type
of vibe, if that makes sense soyou got to figure out what vibe
(07:32):
you want.
Jordan (07:32):
Your like coffee yeah.
Fabienne (07:35):
Do I want like the popular indie one, you know,
like with the people, with likethe, the beanies, and then like
the glasses and like the rolledup, you know jeans, exactly,
yeah.
Or do I want the classy type ofcoffee drinkers or something I
don't know?
So yeah, my good week has beenjoining like a race, or like
(07:59):
signing up for a race, I shouldsay, and decided that I want to
host a cafe type of day for myfriends that is going to be so
cool.
Jordan (08:09):
You must take lots of pictures and, yeah, you could
even do like I mean, this islike if you wanted to create
content with it, but I thinkthat would be like the cutest
reel if you just did different,like videos of it and then put
it over like a cute, like sundaymorning slow type song.
That's trending, of course, butI think that was so cute right.
Fabienne (08:35):
So yeah, and now that I, you know, like, now that we
finally settled in, like the newhouse which is not like
technically new at this pointanymore, it's just like home,
just like the house um, I justfeel that I have the actual
space to host those kind ofthings.
You know, like in the apartment.
We could have done it likeobviously, but it was just a
little more crammed and you knoweverything was in the apartment
(08:58):
, like your bedroom wasbasically like the living room,
and now we actually have I don'tknow dividers, if that makes
sense, like we actually have aliving room and now we actually
have I don't know dividers, ifthat makes sense, like we
actually have a living room andlike we actually have a garden
to host that stuff.
I want to say shit, but it'snot shit, I want to host that
stuff.
Jordan (09:12):
So you know it's a little more real and and your
garden is so cute that I think,if hopefully it's a nice day for
when you do it, so then likeeverybody can just like sit
outside and you can open thosedoors in your living room so
they can sit outside or inside,and that would just be so cute.
And you need to do this real soI can vicarious, like I can be
there, like I'll be there inspirit, I'll just, I'll just
(09:35):
FaceTime you, oh my God, yes,during the whole place, but you
know, you know, like youFaceTime me and then just set me
up in the corner and I'll bethere with my little iced coffee
.
Be like hi guys.
Fabienne (09:48):
Vernon is here too, please wave.
Jordan (09:51):
Hi Jordan, except I can't understand any of you guys
.
No, say that one more time, butlike a lot slower, okay, thanks
.
Fabienne (10:00):
Yeah, like a lot.
Could you spell it out for meplease?
Jordan (10:03):
Actually, can we just switch to english?
Might be way better yeah oh mygod, I'm so excited for you
thank you, that's very sweet.
Um, obviously you're a good weekyes, my good week I got a cat
which I lost him.
I don't know where he went.
Great start, yeah.
(10:25):
So I and I didn't really talkabout so like we actually got
two new cats which I lost him.
I don't know where he went,great start, yeah.
So I and I didn't really talkabout so like we actually got
two new cats.
I didn't really mention it onthis podcast yet, so people will
get it here.
But, like, unfortunately we lostLuna earlier in the year.
That was really hard.
So I might've gone a little hamon cats and I decided to get
two more because Orura needed afriend and then I need like
(10:48):
needed another emotional supportanimal.
So we got Poe and earlier, likeend of January, and then we got
Nero, just like a few days ago,and I love them both so much.
It's still a little testy here,like Aura's not too happy.
(11:08):
She finally got used to Poe andnow we bring in Nero, but the
dynamic is a lot better since,like she has Poe and they're
still good.
And then, like the new kitten,he's really young nine weeks but
I love it.
So now we have three cats in mymom's like small apartment, but
(11:29):
I wouldn't like want it anyother way, like I think, like
it's like for the best yeah, oh,I'm so happy for you.
Fabienne (11:39):
He looked adorable.
Looks adorable.
I'm sorry, wait, is it a say?
Jordan (11:43):
is it the same um breed, though like it's the same sort
of cat yeah, so it's technicallya scottish fold, but like
they're usually like a scottishstraight ear or a scottish fold
and we I wanted an all-black catand I wanted a boy, but that
was before, technically, we gotpoe, um, so we put a deposit
(12:05):
down on him without knowing ifhis ears were going to fold or
not.
Like, we put a deposit and hewas only like three weeks old,
so like usually their ears don'tfold until like eight, eight
weeks.
I think no, that's not right.
I think like five weeks, five orsix weeks, okay so it was kind
of like right before we got himthey were like well, he's not a
(12:27):
fold, but he's not technically astraight ear either, because
his ears aren't like straight upand down but they come out at
like an angle so he almost lookslike he has bat ears and it
because it's like so cute likesee how they come out at the
sides so he's he's off fold,which technically I mean he kind
of is oh my god, he isbeautiful he is so cute, but
(12:52):
he's actually like a smoke black, so underneath his fur it's
like white and gray, so it's afantastic super interesting
coloring.
Look at him right in there,right, but he keeps stepping in
his poop, so he's got littereverywhere.
Fabienne (13:13):
Oh, fun yeah.
Jordan (13:14):
Yeah.
Fabienne (13:14):
Youngsters.
You know they don't havemanners these days anymore.
It's just what it is.
Jordan (13:19):
Exactly, but that he is my good week him and Poe, even
though Poe was a while ago, butnow I feel like I can finally
talk about it.
Um, I haven't fully shared oninstagram yet.
um, I will as soon as, like,aura gets used to this little
guy I really want to do one ofthose, those reels where it's
like have you, it's like nottrending anymore, but it was a
long time ago.
(13:39):
It's like, I liked it, so I gotit in a different color.
I liked it, so I got it in adifferent color.
I liked it, so I got it in adifferent color, and then do it
for all three of them.
I think I'll start looking.
Fabienne (13:50):
I'll start looking for the real for you, because I
think I seen it on tiktok nottoo long ago and I might even
have saved it, so it might besomewhere like in a save folder,
so I'll send it to you if.
I find it yes, thank you.
I'll be on the lookout.
Jordan (14:05):
I'm like trying to be on the lookout too, but because
it's like not trending, I feellike you don't see it as much
anymore.
But remember, we used to see itlike all the time, like a year
ago or two, yeah Well, not eventoo long ago.
Fabienne (14:21):
I want to say oh really.
Yeah, cause I've been, um, uh,like.
I fell down like a rabbit holenot too long ago and I don't
even know like how long ago thatactually was, but it might have
, might have been two weeks,might have been four months, um,
but it was like a ADHD type oflike research in between
parentheses, or like apostrophes, or however you want to call it
(14:42):
.
Um, and then obviously tiktokand instagram is full of that on
like your for you page, andthen turns out that people with
adhd or like add tendencies.
They look for comfort and likeconsistency, right to like
something to fall back to, andthey have it with clothing, and
so do I, because you know, looklike those tank tops that I wear
(15:04):
, that you have to like thebrown and the gray one literally
wearing right now yes, Iliterally am wearing it right
now too.
So, um you know, I liked it, soI got it.
I liked it, so I got it.
I have it literally in like 15different colors and I.
Jordan (15:21):
It's the best no, I get it Cause remember, when I went
to visit you, I wanted, I got itin every single color they had,
and then I think you even gotme the.
When they did the Brown one,you got me one and sent it to me
, which I'm so grateful for.
I had to, I had to.
It makes me so mad that, likemy H and M, like the U?
S brand doesn't have them, orelse I could just like it S
(15:43):
brand doesn't have them, or elseI could just like it's weird
it's really weird.
I also.
Okay, sorry side note, I swearwe can get into the reason of
this episode later, later.
Eventually we will.
It will happen sometime.
But you know, those drops thatthe tanning drops that I got you
(16:03):
like showed me and I got, whichI'm obsessed with, I love them.
But so I finally ran out, likethe other day and I know.
But I went on Amazon and Ifound them and I think they were
coming from Europe, but I'm notsure.
But they're different.
They have the same packaging,the same bottle, but you, when I
(16:26):
pour them out onto my like hand, yeah.
Put them on my face, thecoloring's different.
Oh shit Right, they don't smelldifferent.
I don't think like that.
It like looks too.
I actually put them on after myshower, but I don't.
(16:50):
So I don't think it liketotally is a different, like I
think it's still the same, Ithink it's a different formula,
but still seems to be doing thejob.
I want it to with tanning myface progressively.
But I was so like sad that itwas like a different color, so
like clearly still not the same.
Fabienne (17:03):
So strange I could, I could be able be on the lookout
for that too and maybe like sendyou, like you know, a few
packages.
So you mean I'm like half theoriginal, so to say you wouldn't
be, opposed no no I wouldn't beopposed.
Jordan (17:16):
And same I remember too, like you were like I'll let you
know if there's any tank topsin new colors and let and like
get them for you.
Fabienne (17:22):
And I was like, okay, please let me know, because I
will we'll PayPal you for all ofall of you don't have to PayPal
me for that stuff, but, likethe tank tops, I think they're
going to be like discontinued,because they're either running
out of, like all, but theyhaven't like announced any new
colors.
Jordan (17:42):
Should I get like another one in each color before
they get discontinued?
Fabienne (17:46):
I think, let me quickly see.
This is such a fun episode.
All the girls would be like Iget it, I get it.
You guys just talk clothes andlike makeup and, like you know,
skincare.
You know there's a reason forthis episode.
Jordan (17:57):
Um, wait, h&m, um it also doesn't help that I made
like a nice coffee too, and soit's like kicking in oh, like I
feel like the energy trembling.
Fabienne (18:10):
Yes, I literally just finished two, so that might be
fun as well.
We have yet to see.
Um, okay, I have here sportsbra with a dry move medium
support.
Um, they have a dark gray, onlyin triple xl.
(18:31):
They still have black in yoursize.
They have marine blue and theyhave turquoise which looks more
like a muted gray, sage kind ofcolor.
You want to have that one.
Jordan (18:48):
I might, I might actually pick, I might.
Yeah, I actually might getwhatever they have left in my
size.
I might get one of those.
Fabienne (18:57):
Okay, so you want to have like a turquoise, I think
it's.
Wait, I'm going to screenshotit first and then you can decide
whether you like the color, yesor no.
Um, so this is the turquoiseand this is the marine blue
(19:21):
photo, and black is just black.
Jordan (19:26):
so wait, I kind of like them and yeah, black black is
back.
I might, yeah all three.
I think so, but yeah, we'll doit after this episode, because
now I feel like I feel like nowwe should like wait, because I
(19:47):
also want to double check on thesize.
Fabienne (19:49):
Fine, okay, okay, george.
What are we talking about?
What are we talking about?
Jordan (19:56):
What are we talking about?
We are talking about Deep End,or like Fall of Things, deep
Dive by Ali Hazelwood.
Fabienne (20:04):
I'm so sorry.
Okay, in my defense I wanted tocreate like a tagline for it.
So I was like we're gonna likedeep dive into deep end, but
then I forgot that it wasn't thetagline and it just went
without us.
You know, it's gonna be thetitle, I think.
I think it was the title, Ithink it was called deep dive,
(20:24):
and then you said maybe weshould call deep end.
Jordan (20:27):
Oh, yeah, yeah, stupid so when you said, when you sent
me those edits, I saw them likereally small on my like watch
and because we did the episodedeep dive into I won't say what
it's a surprise or depending onI don't know where it's coming
in this schedule.
Um, so I thought the edits werefor that episode and I was
(20:52):
almost going to be like, um, fob, I feel like these edits would
work so well for deep end.
And then I realized, oh no,like she wants it to be for deep
end, my bad, and I was like mybad I.
I also would like us to pointout that we were gonna do this
as a two-parter, but I feel likeit needed to support fob,
(21:14):
support you.
I just went like third, thirdperson there first we really
should support fob.
Yes we really should, everyoneshould, but in, you just were
like obsessed with reading itand you didn't want to stop.
I'm kind of glad, so sorry.
I'm kind of glad that you okay,we, we didn't stop there,
(21:36):
because I feel like the partthat we would have stopped at
would have been like brutal.
For today I know, and I feel Ifinished, I finished my part
like Friday night, like the partone, what would have been one
that waiting these four dayswould have been brutal.
Fabienne (21:56):
Honestly same.
Like I finished them up untilthe part, I think, maybe like
Saturday or so, like just likewhen the weekend started and I
thought, if I have to stop now,I'm going to tear my hair out of
my head, cause I really have to.
Just I can't, I have to, I haveto continue.
So I texted you like I can'tstop, and then you offered this
(22:17):
golden solution, like, do youjust want to continue?
Do you just want to?
You know, like, do this, likeas like a one-parter instead of,
like you know, split up intotwo parts?
Jordan (22:25):
I'm like fuck yes, fuck yes, thank you, yes, but I'm so
glad we did.
I actually really enjoyed thisstory.
I thought it was so good Ithought too.
Fabienne (22:37):
I thought so too.
The thing is I there are a fewI obviously, because I I do have
a few things that I want tolike note on Me too.
Jordan (22:46):
Me too, like I didn't read your review Plus, I haven't
posted mine yet because Iwanted to say them on the
podcast first.
Fabienne (22:53):
But okay, smart, um, no, let me just like point out
all the great things.
I love the characters.
I love the storyline.
I love Lucas, I love Lucas, Ilove Lucas.
I mean, that's a given.
I also loved Penelope.
Actually, what I love Penelope?
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There are a few things that Iwas really bothered by when it
comes to her, but I loved her asa character character in the
book, because it also I'll cometo this in a second.
I know that Allie is, yeah,allie right, allie Hazelwood.
I know that Allie is like knownfor her like intelligent, like
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characters right, because she, Ithink, has also like, studied a
STEM degree or whatever.
Jordan (23:47):
Um, I think I have I might be wrong.
Fabienne (23:49):
I mean, it makes sense she has like I think she has
like actual field practice andlike knowledge in that sense, um
, but I love that she writesthese people because you don't
really come across those typesof characters often.
I'd say, um, in rom-com.
I feel like the characters aremore like not slapstick, but
just like very simplistic typeof characters.
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I say very subtly, um, butthere is like a rich layer to
like Scarlet and also toPenelope, but also to Lucas, and
they're just like smart, smartand I don't know why, but it
really, it really made myacademic heart glow sort of um.
I like the.
I really enjoyed like theacademic background, I really
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enjoyed the like the drive oflike them competing, like in the
nationals, like the worlds,like the, even like the, the
olympics you know, like they'retraining for, like their divers
team, for like the swimming team.
I didn't, I didn't think that Iwould enjoy this book so much,
because you know how, you knowmy stance on bride yes, but so I
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okay.
Jordan (24:56):
But like, sorry, I wanted to go based.
No, no, no, no, you go, I do.
I did really enjoy that.
They they are very smartcookies.
But I'm also like this is acollege romance and the words
that they used.
I was like I didn't know whathalf of them fucking meant Me
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being in my 30s.
I'm like googling shit, beinglike what, and I was like what
fucking 21 year old would usethis word.
So I did, but I did appreciate,like the more complex
characters, how they're verysmart.
But I was also like you are incollege and I don't, besides the
biology words like those madesense because she's studying it,
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she's pre-med, I get it.
But like the overall dialoguewith the big words, I was like I
don't fully understand why youwent in that direction.
But I do appreciate the womanin stem, biology, pre-med, all
that stuff.
So I get that, but I just thebig works in between dialogues.
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It's like yeah, like you are a21 year old college student.
I don't know a 21 year oldcollege student that would talk
like that I mean sequestered,you know, like acquiesce.
Fabienne (26:15):
I have no idea.
Jordan (26:16):
I had to like a thesaurus for that shit yeah,
yeah, I was like, but I did findlike moments like and I okay
and like I'm just taking it likefrom an example so, like my
best friend, she was pre-med.
Fabienne (26:29):
Yeah.
Jordan (26:29):
And so she had like, so she would talk like with, like
science and like thoseterminologies and I thought that
like that like made sense.
But like in her everydaydialogue with like me or other
people, she wasn't using bigwords.
She wasn't day dialogue withlike me or other people, it she
wasn't using big words.
Fabienne (26:47):
She wasn't and I don't know she was maybe dumbing it
down for me, but like I was likeguys, jordan is visiting,
jordan is visiting.
Jordan (26:52):
Please, please, lower the rate of your phone please
yeah yeah, she doesn't knowthose like 20 letter words uh,
jordan, this is a door, sorry,no yeah, but like, but I still
like appreciate, like I loved.
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I loved that it was like adiving swimming, like dynamic
and like training for theolympics and I thought it was
kind of cool that he was alsopre-med yeah and yeah, okay.
I loved it, I did love it.
Fabienne (27:31):
Well, I just thought it was really interesting in a
very positive way, becausenormally when you say that like
the general, you it's more oflike I mean this was interesting
.
But no, I thought it was reallyinteresting how she learned,
just I want to almost say like aregular college romance, but
made it, like you know, a littlebit grittier, a little bit
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kinkier.
I thought that was really.
I thought how, how, like, howdo you come up with that shit?
Like, how do you come up withoh, you know, I'm going to write
about like two people whocompete in sports and college
but also they're heavily intoBDSM.
I mean, how do you come up withthat?
Jordan (28:07):
Yeah, and that was, I guess, the other thing.
I'm like what 21-year-old knowsthat this is what they want
with sex.
I feel like it could have beenplayed around with more.
That I was kind of like why Ithink you could have dived into
this story and having them be intheir like 30s or 40s and it
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would make a little bit moresense.
But it was almost like he was15 and he knew he wanted to like
tie someone up and she was 15and she knew she wanted to be a
submissive, like I don't knowLike.
That was like a little lessbelievable for me too, but
overall like and like.
So my rating on this is likefour point five.
I still overall love this story, but there were just a few
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things that I'm like.
This is knocking it down alittle bit for me, but real
Because I agree.
Yeah, but I do like that.
There was like the Amsterdam inthere.
I thought that was cool, I know.
Fabienne (29:04):
I know, I know I felt like really well, like
represented right there, as youshould, but then I didn't really
fully grasp, like the it's notlike the author's note where she
says like this for theAmsterdams, because I thought oh
something really, really blownup big is going to happen in,
like you know, like the scene.
(29:25):
But it was just I say againbetween air quotes, it was just
like the um, the balcony scene,like there wasn't like a really
grand sort of chapter, just likethe possible talks about the
future, maybe like what do youwant in a she possibly wanted in
life?
Jordan (29:44):
yeah, I kind of agree, like I was.
I think I was expecting alittle bit more from the
amsterdam section, just becausethis one it has to be for the
amsterdams.
So I agree.
Yeah, I don't fully understandthat either.
I do think the ending was a bitrushed, just because I was like
I would have loved to see you,Like I feel like there's this
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buildup to the Olympics and thenit's like like it doesn't
really happen, Like it's justkind of like and I understand,
like eventually you have to endit and like I know that the
whole premise of the book isn'ttechnically the Olympics and she
like overcomes, like her inwarddives and things like that but
(30:27):
I, I don't know, like, I stillthink the ending was rushed.
I don't know, like, how youwould end it, but I still don't
I think it's also like a reallylike.
Fabienne (30:38):
It's.
It's a risky type of like trick.
You know, when you write aromance like a rom-com, well
it's not a rom-com but just likea light romance.
But they're not like set inlike the college, you know, like
college age, sure no, it's justlike a college setting.
And then these people, they'relike what?
Early mid-20s, early to mid-20sum, I thought like wait, let me
(31:01):
just rephrase this.
I love the storyline, but therewasn't an actual like.
When you look at a story andthe sense of like how you write
it, there's like the beginning,there's like the midsection,
there's like the rising action,the climax, and then the falling
action.
Right, I thought that was a bitjumbled in this book because I
couldn't really pinpoint whatthe big climax was.
(31:22):
But then I thought it's becauseto really pinpoint what the big
climax was.
But then I thought it's becauseI thought this was going to be
like the inward dice.
And then she overcomes, likethis, you know this, this mental
block that she has, and thenshe performs really well at a
really, you know, like eitherthe nationals or just like the
olympics, like you just said.
Yeah exactly, but the climax inthis book, or like the story,
(31:43):
climax that Penelope went off onher.
Jordan (31:48):
Yeah.
And then like I'm like that'ssuch a weird.
And then it was like I feellike there was so much focus on
the inward dives and the blockand it almost seemed like the
romance took like a back burnerto that.
Like the romance took like aback burner to that, yeah, but
then like basically at the endit was like she already
(32:09):
overcomes the block in a waythat she was like, okay, I'm
gonna make the climax being theromance.
So it's basically penelope likegoing back on her, not back on
her, where they like I don'twant to say penelope lying, but
like like her being like oh, howcould you do this to me?
Even though they were broken up.
You know Lucas is like rightthere.
(32:29):
But then it was likeinteresting, because Scarlett
was like I can't do this, likestop, yeah.
So then it was like and then heleaves and he's in like Sweden
and she goes and gets him andhe's like I do appreciate, I do
like the ending in the way ofshe goes and she does this like
(32:52):
big grand gesture of going toSweden to see Lucas, and Lucas
is like basically you'reforgiven, I appreciated that
only for the fact of what wehave, as Lucas is like an
obsessed male main character.
So, of course, when she showslike initiative and is like I
want to be with you, he's like,oh yes, of course.
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Like finally, you likeacknowledge it, you, you realize
like we're in this together andso he's like I can't be mad at
you because I just know youexist, just knowing or reminded
that you exist.
So I do like the ending in thatway, but I agree with you of
like reaching the climax doesn'tfully, it's like jumbled, like
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you were saying for this bookyeah, like I, I, yes, I think.
I think the inward dive wouldhave been the better climax and
have the romance be on the backburner for the climax, just
because I feel like, technically, planellope and him were broken
(33:59):
up so like this was kind oflike, almost like it's like it.
Fabienne (34:01):
It had the potential to reach this like bigger climax
, but it didn't because of theplot line already yeah so
instead of like going here, itwas like here yeah, am I a child
for thinking every time that Isaid climax lucas and scarlet,
lucas and scarlet.
I love, though I mean what wejust said, like if we had split
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this episode into two parts.
I love the build-up to whenthey finally do it.
Jordan (34:34):
I love this patient yes, I also, I also love to, I okay.
So I kind of loved the partwhere they do it and then he
like doesn't contact her forlike days and she's like, what
did I?
do wrong like, because I feellike and like I thought that was
(34:54):
so her to like second guess it,but she's like I know this was
just sex, so like in a way, it'skind of this miscommunication,
but it works for thesecharacters.
And then then they go out withhis brother and his brother
starts being like oh, Iliterally wrote it down.
But like his brother is like oh, he doesn't.
Fabienne (35:17):
Oh, my God, yeah, no no, no, I know I know which part
you're talking about with thecontrol part, right, like he
used to do this all the time hewas younger, like with sweets or
just like, yeah, he'll sleep onthe floor because his bed was
too comfortable.
Jordan (35:30):
He took cold showers for a year, so I was like, oh my
gosh, this is why he hasn'tcontacted her, because he
enjoyed it so much that he'slike I need to restrain myself.
And he and she was like how long, myself?
And he and she was like howlong, how long did you give
yourself?
And he's like 15 days.
And she's like Well, I guessit's a couple days.
And I loved the fact for herbeing like you know well, how
(35:50):
did you know what?
I would forgive you?
How, how do you know that Iwould let you come back?
And he's like I didn't.
And she's like Goodbye, lucas,and I was.
I love that.
I was like yes, yeah, becausehe didn't Put yourself first.
Exactly, and then he had togrovel a little bit, being like
I'm sorry, I owe you an apology,and I was like, yeah, you do,
you can't.
(36:10):
And he's like I've never had todo that where another person
was involved, and I was like,yes, lucas, yes.
Fabienne (36:18):
And then I love, though, how, like, how vocal,
guess, um, mature, I almost wantto say, even though it was like
a childish move, you know, liketo go somewhere.
This is baby's first ghosting.
This is baby's first ghosting.
I don't know what to do.
What do I do?
What did I do?
Rob?
Like that was actually reallycute, but also very well not
relatable, because I am a ghost,luckily, um, you know, since I
(36:41):
live with the fucking man but, Ijust meant to say what no, it's
gonna be like it's.
Jordan (36:50):
It would be really hard if he goes to do because you
just come home and be like babe,just not look at me walk up and
down the stairs like um, but um.
Fabienne (37:01):
I like that part and I think it could be relatable in
that sense.
Does that make sense?
I don't know, but I loved it.
I don't know.
I just I think honestly, wait,I'm really rambling now, but I
think I'm actually going to givebride another chance too, but
we'll talk about that anothertime oh my gosh, that makes me
(37:22):
so happy.
I'm excited for mate.
Jordan (37:25):
I'm so excited for mate because I really like the idea
of mates.
Oh, you know did you also seethat she has like another book
coming out in may?
I feel like that.
Fabienne (37:35):
So I think I saw that I'm like kind of excited for
that isn't that going to be likea second book in another series
or something?
Because I saw some people likescreenshotting like this picture
on goodreads with where one wascalled like untitled 2025 and
then on the same date it wasgoing to be was also untitled,
(37:58):
but then it said that it waspart of a series which I don't
recall.
Jordan (38:01):
Then it was like hashtag number two or like number two,
so I don't know but that thatmight be for me, because I know
meat was a couple differentthings, being like number two
it's possible, but this thatcould also be for the one that's
coming out in May, um, but I'mnot sure.
But like, maybe that's anotherbook club one if we're both into
(38:23):
it, because I feel like I thinkI have a feeling that her books
, like her later books, are theones for us.
Because I think I don't think Iwould ever read her earlier
books, like the love hypothesis,love on the brain, love
theoretically except someone didtell me that love theoretically
is like pretty good, but Ithink they're those first three
(38:47):
are a little too much on, likethe miscommunication where I
feel like bride deep end and I'mhoping mate are like a little
more our speed.
And so I'm very excited forlike future books of hers for
(39:07):
like future books of hers.
I'm curious, though, becauseyou know, you know my stance on
like illustrated covers.
Yeah, do you?
Don't like this one?
Fabienne (39:15):
I actually do like this one because, regardless of
like the insinuation that'sgoing on on, you know, like the
cover, you know like the thewink wink type of situation.
I like the colors, I like justthe way it's been illustrated.
But what I don't like it's when, when it looks like a comic
book.
So when you have, for example,love, theoretically the love
hypothesis, or that's literallya comic book.
Jordan (39:41):
I love it, though I'm like I actually of course you do
but I but my thing is is I lovethis more than her her covers.
I know what you mean with theother covers, like I don't it
looks, so ya yeah, I don't lovethe faces.
I like that you can't see facesin this, but I actually love
the layout of this.
(40:02):
Is it a hardcover?
Oh, it is a hardcover, yeahTime to get wet.
It's probably smart.
Fabienne (40:09):
You suck on those apps , honey.
Jordan (40:11):
Oh I, they're there.
Fabienne (40:16):
They're hard.
Jordan (40:16):
So I do love this kind of cover, but I know what you
mean.
Like her other covers, like herLove Hypothesis cover, I don't
love.
I don't totally love Bride'scover, but I love the content.
Have you seen Maze's cover?
No, it's on Goodreads, do you?
Fabienne (40:40):
like it.
Jordan (40:42):
Oh yeah, no, oh Wait, I'm so confused not particularly
.
Fabienne (40:52):
Oh.
So it might be like a kindlerate for me, you know, when no
one ever sees what I'm reading,not that it matters.
Jordan (40:58):
I mean, I think this one's like definitely by far her
like best cover in my opinion.
Yeah, yeah, and I'm so fuckingglad this wasn't titled wet.
I don't, I don't like thattitle.
I don't like that title at all,deep end is so it actually is.
Fabienne (41:16):
It sounds a little bit disgusting, actually wet, you
know exactly like I feel likenot a good kind.
Jordan (41:23):
Yeah, like I think, especially the way she had it
spelled like, and then like,even like probably smut decided
to put on the back, like time toget wet, and I'm like no,
absolutely, not absolutely not.
I think that's just likeunpopular opinion, because I
think everybody was like, oh, itshould have been titled wet.
And I'm like absolutely noteverybody wanting it to be
(41:47):
titled.
What?
Fabienne (41:49):
you go suck a dick.
Yes, wait, wait, I actually, Iactually, actually, actually, I
think I took some.
I, okay, so you know what gotlost all my pens, pencils and
tab during the move, so I stillhave to buy some.
So I had to go back and forthwith, like, the kindle edition
(42:09):
and taking photos of theparagraph, so I hope that I can
find one.
Um, um, I think so.
For some reason.
I found this excerpt apparentlyinteresting because I took a
(42:33):
picture of it, um, it's, and,but of course I didn't take a
picture of the fucking pagenumber um, but it's um, at their
like at her coach's house, likewhen he does like his yearly
like barbecue thing.
Um, I loved when she kind oflike rescues lucas from, oh, her
coach's mom.
Yeah, like the interrogationand then, like I love the way
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that they like were speakingwithout actually like talking to
one another, like their eyesmade all the connection and like
their body language.
I was like I'm so here for it,I'm so here, yes, like when she
says penelope is looking for you, and it was like, oh, is she
really?
Like when he deadpans like that, like, is she, oh?
Jordan (43:13):
I actually I love the whole dynamic they have, like
the especially.
I thought like there weredefinitely some really funny
moments during it, like in thebeginning, when um scarlet meets
with her like professor andshe's like there's no grade on
here, and he was like basicallylike this is, like this is I
have grad students working onthis and you are undergrad, and
(43:36):
she's like um and he's and itmentioned something about like a
grade and then she's like, well, if it's no difference to you,
I'd like an A plus and like I Ilaughed out loud at that part,
like just like the way it waslike written.
I thought it was so, so funny.
And then even just like thingsbetween Lucas and her that I
(43:56):
thought were funny.
And I loved the aspect too oflike him being known as like
someone that doesn't giveemotion, but really he had.
He's very expressive, but justno one would see it that like no
one saw it except scarlet.
So I think, like I think itjust goes to show that like they
were meant for each other theyreally were.
Fabienne (44:19):
I also think it was a good representation of like
their ages, regardless of likewhat we just said about um, how
bdsm is like explored and likewith their ages, like it doesn't
really make a full, completesense, like being, then being
relatively young and then havingum, I guess, desire to explore
BDSM.
(44:40):
It would have made a little bitmore sense if they were like
depicted a little bit like inthe early thirties, um, but I
did love um because wait, whatdid I want to say?
Um, because they are relativelyyoung.
I liked how Allie wrote umScarlet Struggles, you know,
(45:02):
because when we go back forthbetween her confusion when it
comes to like Penn and Lucas,her confusion when it comes to
like Penn and Lucas, like, oh,but wait, do I not?
Maybe I don't know Lucas thatwell, because Penn says that he
is this and this, but I don'tknow him as such, so maybe I
haven't.
I know.
(45:22):
So I, yes, I totally agree withyou that was a really long one,
one uh winded way of trying tosay that.
So thank you for picking that up, um but, I, I kind of like, I I
really liked her.
I yeah, just like, notnecessarily confusion, but just
insecure.
Yes, I think that was.
(45:42):
I think that's really well inthis book.
Um, also, I know this bookdoesn't really pass like the
bechdel test or like the whatthe bechdel test.
It's like when two women arelike in one scene, like be it
like in a book, a movie, peter,peter, whatever they talk about
something else other than theirromantic love and then,
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typically speaking, theirhetonormative romantic love.
So, for example, if you and Iwere to talk and we talk about
anything other than men orromantic love, then we do pass
this test and it's named after awoman who came up with the test
, hence the weird name Bechdelor Bechdel or whatever.
But obviously Penn and Scarlett, all they talk about is diving
(46:31):
and lucas.
So it doesn't pass that test.
But I love their.
Jordan (46:35):
I don't even know what I want to say.
This test is it so we have toonly talk about men and our
romantic interests?
Fabienne (46:44):
no, no, no, no wait, let me just.
Let me look it up real quick.
Like, do we pass this?
Jordan (46:49):
test.
Fabienne (46:50):
Well, not for this book, but just when we talk
normally.
Yes, we do.
Jordan (46:56):
Yeah, no, no, I oh okay, so, oh, so in an overall
conversation, yeah.
Fabienne (47:01):
Okay, wait.
The Bechdel test, also known asthe Bechdel-Wallace test, is a
measure of representation ofwomen in film and television.
The test asks whether a workfeatures at least two women who
have a conversation about oh,wait, wait, have a conversation
about what a man other than aman?
or oh other heteronormativeromantic love.
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Yes, so work of fiction,passing or failing the test is
not necessarily the overallrepresentation of women at work.
No, that's it.
The test asks whether a workfeatures at least two women who
have a conversation aboutsomething else other than a man.
Jordan (47:45):
Oh, and you're saying Penn and Scarlett's only, like
they literally only talk aboutdiving and Lucas yes they
honestly do Like I thought thatlike that kind of frustrated me
when Scarlett was like she's mybest friend and I was like
literally all you talk about isLucas.
Fabienne (48:03):
Well, maybe that's only like what happens, though,
like in the book.
You know, like what?
We don't see what's happening,like in between the lines, it's
just talked about they hadcoffee, they had dinner.
We don't know what they talkedabout.
Have to assume we just have tofill in the gaps ourselves.
But when they actually, likewhen Ali writes their dialogues,
it's all.
It's only Lucas and you knowwhat's his name, theo that
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breaks up with Penn in the end.
Oh yeah, so, so yeah, there area bit.
There are like a few pointersthat I'm like could be done
better, could have been better,but I still really, really
enjoyed it, yes.
Jordan (48:44):
Yes, and I feel like these are like the good books
that we're starting with, likeAllie Hazelwood as opposed to
like the love hypothesis.
Fabienne (48:54):
I don't think I could go back to that.
I think it's like an Akatarbook and then you know, picking
up the Cruel Prince type ofsituation.
Jordan (49:02):
I don't think I could do that like I don't think I could
do that either, like I think Iwould need to, just, but I think
I could continue on.
So like I don't know if I couldread the other books of hers,
but I think I could read, likemate, maybe this one that comes
out in May, if it's not like asequel to another one of her
books.
But I feel like her writing isalmost essentially getting
(49:24):
stronger.
So I'm excited, I'm so excitedfor me, so excited, and then I
can't wait to see, like, futurebooks I also saw.
Fabienne (49:40):
I saw people like commenting that there's like a
cameo on this.
Obviously, since I haven't readthe writer's stuff, I didn't
pick up on that there's no cameoyeah like this, this olive
smith.
Oh, and then there is theprofessor is that somebody in
another book.
Yeah, oh my god and maybe herhusband do you think that was
(50:03):
like another book?
Yeah, like adam, apparently,because that's isn't't that like
the love hypothesis?
Jordan (50:10):
I have no fucking clue.
Fabienne (50:13):
Like this Adam guy and all of something, something.
Wait, look at the blurb, for Iknow you don't read blurbs, but
just do this once for thepodcast.
Jordan (50:23):
Look up the blurb, please, for the love hypothesis
oh, mate, ooh, ooh.
I do not like the cover formate.
Oh, problematic summer romance,that's okay.
sorry, love hypothesis, I'mgoing, I'm going wait that would
actually be so cute if olivewas like and she like threw her
(50:44):
into this one oh my god, as ifsorry, the love hypothesis when
a fake relationship betweenscientists meet meets the
irresistible force of attraction, it throws one woman carefully
calculated theories on love intochaos.
As a third year ph candidate,olive smith doesn't believe in
lasting romantic relationships,but her best friend does.
(51:07):
That's what got her into this.
And then, oh my god, the man.
The man is none other than adamcarlson, a young hotshot
professor, known oh I, andwell-known ass.
Oh my god.
And then that's that'sscarlet's professor, who was
like you should go like um, this.
(51:27):
Um, mrs smith, is she's doinglike this project and you should
?
Oh my god, so cute.
I had no idea.
Fabienne (51:37):
No fucking clue so neither did I.
Safe to say, this was not myreaction.
I was just no as to like Ihadn't, like you haven't read
the love hypothesis.
But okay, never mind, nevermind't.
Okay, never mind, never mind,never mind.
No, okay, never mind.
Jordan (51:53):
But I love when authors do that and like throw in cameos
, like that.
Fabienne (51:58):
And I think it's so funny, it's cute.
Jordan (52:00):
Like those are her professors.
Fuck, I want to read the LoveHypothesis now.
Fabienne (52:07):
See big words D hypothesis.
Now dumb it down.
Big words scarlet, where's?
Jordan (52:16):
scarlet and lucas.
I think she was still like akindergarten?
Fabienne (52:17):
at that point probably probably no, okay, maybe middle
school, maybe middle school butI I still don't.
Jordan (52:22):
I don't know if I would actually love the love
hypothesis, just like I've knownpeople that have read it and
they'll be like.
They were kind of like jordan,I think you wouldn't like I
think it's gonna be really why.
I think it's gonna no, no, Ithink it's like super.
I think it is pretty spicy.
Um, I think there's just like alot like it's it.
Fabienne (52:41):
It's very heavily like miscommunication, though oh, I
don't like miscommunication,just fucking talk to one another
same sorry, um, okay, oh, also,which is the fun thing?
Well, not a fun, um, you knowhow I don't ever really like
(53:07):
read epilogues, because the bookjust ends for me at the final
chapter or at least maybe youtried to forget and you were now
right badly, but I read theepilogue and I actually loved it
.
I love like the little tidbits,like the little snippets into
their lives, as opposed to justone big chunk of one scene me
(53:28):
too and I liked that it was fromhis perspective.
Jordan (53:31):
I think that's cool because most of this book well,
I mean all of this book is fromscarlett's pov, so I love that.
The epilogue it was fromlucas's point of view, so it's
it's these little snippets, butthen you get his point of view
and it's just like their lead upto like the end A few years
later, their PhD student ortheir doctors, doctors.
Fabienne (53:59):
Doctors.
Jordan (54:00):
Because they're smart, because they're so smart and use
big words.
Fabienne (54:04):
Mm-hmm, they don't have to dumb it down.
Jordan (54:07):
No.
Fabienne (54:09):
No, they don't.
Oh no, I loved it.
End of story.
No, I genuinely really loved it, so I'm going to give Ride a
second chance.
Jordan (54:17):
Thank you, maybe well, I was going to say you could give
the audio a chance, but you'renot really into audio.
Fabienne (54:23):
But um, I won't see the exclamation marks in that,
though Probably will hear it.
Everyone is shouting Justeveryone's yelling.
How are you doing Really good?
Jordan (54:35):
How about you?
What would your star?
Fabienne (54:41):
rating be for this one .
I actually did.
I gave it a star rating.
Oh wait, I never told you, soI'm sort of like off on good
reason.
I still use it to like look atbooks and look at blurbs and
like look at reviews, but I'mnot in love with the interface,
so I'm using margins, um what's.
I'll take a screenshot.
I'll take a screenshot for youand I'll send it after.
(55:02):
Um.
But I rated it on margins and Igave it a 4.25 because you
can't do that on margins, and Igave it a 4.25 because you can't
do that on margins.
Jordan (55:12):
I like story graph because it's the same you do
like 4.5, so mine was 4.5.
But what I do is I pick.
I still use goodreads because Ilike posting my goodreads
reviews on, like my stories,yeah, but what I'll do is I'll
give it whatever the main ratingis.
So like this one, I said it wasfour on goodreads, but then in
(55:34):
my like review I'll put 4.5stars.
So you see the full rating.
But I do like 0.5, 0.25, 0.75,um, because it's like, it's not
like.
I feel like I covet that fivestar rating.
So it needs to be a masterpiecefor me to give it five stars.
(55:56):
So if there's a few things thatI don't love it's it won't be
five stars.
Fabienne (56:02):
You either have to like fly right through it or you
have to be incrediblyentertained by it.
The dialogues must be reallywitty, fun, smart.
Jordan (56:11):
But yes, and, and it could be just vibes Like if I
had like the time of my lifereading it, it will be the five
stars.
Like I gave a five star to thislike fantasy book that I
literally finished in like twodays just because I was flying
through it.
Maybe it had some plot holes,maybe it didn't, but like I
still flew through it and it was.
I was here for the vibes, Ithought it was funny.
(56:32):
I love the inner monologue ofthe female main character, so
like it will get five starsbecause of that.
But like this one, even thoughI loved it, flew through it,
there was still like thosethings that we talked about that
I was like, oh, this isknocking down a bit for me, yeah
(56:58):
, yeah.
So I, I, yeah, I'm, I'm herefor it here for it, here for it,
oh, oh, oh I love this.
Fabienne (57:02):
I know wait is this like your phone background?
Oh yeah, it is.
I'm like.
I'm just trying to show youthat you can like use it as a
widget.
Jordan (57:11):
Oh, I was not noticing that, I was just noticing.
I love the apps and your photobackground.
Fabienne (57:18):
Thank you Coffee, because what else?
Jordan (57:22):
Literally what else.
I wish this was my background.
I love these.
I want to change my thing sobadly, like my my, like yeah,
but like it just seems like alot of work.
Fabienne (57:36):
No, it doesn't.
You can just use your color.
You don't have to like change,you don't have like wait.
Do you mean like the shortcutsthing?
Jordan (57:45):
You can do that.
No, like see how yours aredifferent colors Like mine.
You can do that.
Yours are different colors likemine.
Yeah, but you just yeah.
Fabienne (57:51):
but honey, you just press your screen and then
everything just like jumbles,like starts moving, and then you
press an edit and it'scustomized.
Then you have like a bar withlike the color slider.
That's it.
Wait what?
Jordan (58:10):
Wait what.
Fabienne (58:11):
Jordan, I'm dumbing it down for you open up your phone
, unlock your phone open.
Jordan (58:16):
My phone is open.
My phone is open please help me.
Fabienne (58:18):
Okay, okay, you just press like on, I don't know,
like on your home screen, likeuntil it just starts edit home
screen.
Yes, edit and then customize.
Jordan (58:30):
Okay, edit.
Fabienne (58:35):
Customize and now be ready to be blown away.
You can even do like large, andthen you don't have like the
names of the apps.
It just looks like you know,like one of those dumb phones, I
guess, and then dark.
You can do small, you can dowhatever.
Jordan (59:01):
I am obsessed.
Oh, my gosh Right Fantastic.
Thank you so much.
Fabienne (59:09):
Oh my god, you're welcome're welcome.
Jordan (59:11):
Oh, this is so cool.
I can't wait.
I'm gonna leave it like thisfor now, but I can't wait to
play with around with it moreafter this episode.
But I am literally so happythat we read this book and we
got to do it as a buddy read onbook club because I think I
think so many people enjoyedthis book and there's I did see
(59:32):
a few people being likeabsolutely not, no, and gave it
like two stars, and I don'tfully know where I feel.
Like you know how sometimes youcan understand how someone can
rate it two stars even though,like you might have loved the
book and you did not rate it twostars.
I don't fully understand whereeverybody, like where people are
coming from, that they'rerating it that low and they
(59:54):
didn't like it.
I honestly cannot understand.
But each reading is subjectiveand you're allowed to have your
opinions on your whatever booksyou want to read.
That's all I'll end with andyeah, on your whatever books you
want to read, that's all I'llend with and yeah no good ending
(01:00:15):
, let's, let's leave it at this.
Fabienne (01:00:18):
Yes yes, yes, okay, right there yeah, it was worth
the F though.
Jordan (01:00:26):
I know this is fine what was that sound?
Fabienne (01:00:32):
I'm out, sorry, okay.
Jordan (01:00:38):
Wait, wait.
Fabienne (01:00:42):
But nothing came out.
I'm hitting stop.
I'm hitting stop.
Okay, bye.
Thank you so much for listening.
Jordan (01:00:48):
And please don't forget to rate and review wherever you
can find us.
So catch you next time.
Bye.
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