February 3, 2025 • 39 mins
Books for Snowy Days and Winter Nights
This episode embraces the enchanting world of winter literature, featuring a diverse range of book recommendations that resonate with the wintry season. We discuss the allure of icy settings, captivating narratives, and passionate romances, highlighting how these stories evoke warmth amidst the cold.
• Cozy (and VERY spicy) winter book recommendations
• The appeal of smutty narratives in winter settings
• Exploring character-driven stories influencing winter themes
• Community engagement around book reading
• Winter as a metaphor for self-discovery and resilience
Come join us for this very snowy, wintry filled episode!
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Jordan (00:07):
welcome to the bookish hour with jor and fab a long
time.
No see, honey hi long time.
Fabienne (00:13):
No see, wow, it's feel like it's been forever.
Jordan (00:16):
That's forever and never and never and never I always
used to think that I was sogreat at acting when I was
younger I thought I would makesuch a good, like good actress.
And now, sometimes I just likepretend to be, you know like
enthusiastic in certain likethings and like, yeah, I can't
fake that shit I don't want totell you this actually you're a
(00:39):
great actress.
Uh, no, I love it.
Fabienne (00:39):
Give it all to me, actress.
No, I love it.
Give it all to me.
Jordan (00:46):
Okay, I can't, that's all.
Fabienne (00:49):
That's all you got.
That's all.
Jordan (00:52):
I got.
Well, that's not all I actuallyhave.
I came with recommendations forthis entire episode.
I did homework for you.
Fabienne (01:02):
I did too.
I'm so proud, because winterybooks, that's a hard fucking
wreck to give.
I just want to state thatbecause it's hard.
Jordan (01:12):
Do we go with like, where there is like snow
undercover?
Do we go for like gothic tales?
Do we go for christmas books?
No, because you know we're waypast december.
Fabienne (01:20):
At this point no you just have to go with like winter
book recs.
So want to go back and forthagain.
Jordan (01:28):
You know what?
Yeah, let's do it.
You want to go first?
Fabienne (01:32):
You want to go first, I'll go first.
Okay, I'm so proud of this onebecause I actually thought of
this one from my head instead ofGoogling Wow.
So I have books that I've readfirst, and then I have books
that I've read first, and then Ihave ones that, like other
people have said that are on myTBR.
So, like, these are the onesthat I've read.
Jordan (01:50):
So the first one's Credence by Penelope Douglas,
the female main characterliterally goes into the woods
and it's like snowy and shit andthen some stuff happens.
Fabienne (02:08):
Honestly, I think that's the best book blurb to
have ever existed.
Oh my god wait.
Do you remember when we had tolike butcher book blurbs and
then the other person had toguess the book?
Jordan (02:13):
this would take the fucking cake.
Fabienne (02:15):
Yes honestly that I should have.
We should do it again.
We need to do it again.
Write it down again.
Jordan (02:23):
Write it down again.
Wait, wait.
I'm opening up the notes app.
Um, do I only write with theblue or like the colored dates?
Is that like out?
Fabienne (02:34):
is that, yes, the blue is ours, okay, butchered book,
blurb titles, whatever that wasso fun, but I also feel like we
guessed it every single time,like we knew anyways okay um
winter book rex you next uh, Ihave bone island by nicole
(03:00):
fiorina fuck, that was my otherone, but that one is a good
winter book because I feel likeHollow Heathens is fall but,
like Bone Island, people werewaiting for fall to read it and
I had to tell people I'm like,no, do not wait for fall, you
are out of fall, like it'sperpetually winter there.
Jordan (03:23):
It's like, literally, like, almost, like a presence in
the like, literally like,almost like a presence in the
book itself, like a character onits own.
So, yes, wintertime, yes.
Fabienne (03:31):
Great book and both of those are well.
Bone Island and Credence areboth smutty.
So you want some smutty, smut,smut, smut.
Jordan (03:38):
Mm-hmm.
Oh yeah, I actually kind offorgot about that.
Bone Island is hella smutty.
Yeah, I actually kind of forgotabout that Bone Island is hella
smutty, as opposed to HollowHeathens.
Fabienne (03:46):
Hella, oh yeah, hollow Heathens is like.
I don't know what to do.
Jordan (03:51):
It's like a YA version for her younger daughter back
then.
Fabienne (03:54):
And she couldn't do a YA version for Bone Island.
Okay, so I would have to go.
Jordan (04:01):
It's like redacted, redacted, redacted.
The entire book will be black.
Fabienne (04:06):
Yes, but actually no.
But I was going to say HockeyGod series by S Massery Granted.
I only read the first three,but like hockey happens in the
winter, so like Brutal Obsessionis the first one, then Blank
yeah, I don't remember what booktwo is titled and then secret
(04:29):
obsession is the third one, thenit's twisted obsession, then
it's fierce obsession, so manyobsessions yeah, why can I not
think of the second one?
Jordan (04:41):
I don't know, not obsessed enough no, clearly, oh,
but no wait do we, do we, would, we say, like we'd scale like
every single ice hockey booklike to be a winter book,
because isn't there like thishannah grace book like
icebreaker?
Is that like a winter book,then, which is also apparently
smutty, I think, from whatpeople?
Yeah, yeah, it's smutty.
Fabienne (05:02):
Yeah, I would label like I think if you want a
winter book, like I would labela hockey book winter, just
because in the winter so likethey're cold and stuff.
But it's not.
I think like if you really wantlike a winter book, I would
definitely lean towards likecredence and bone island more,
but I like this is on thelighter side, but it still works
as like a winter book.
Okay, fair, hot ice hockey.
Jordan (05:22):
Also, when you say hockey sorry, this is like going
off on a tangent, but it stillworks as like a winter book.
Okay, fair, ice hockey.
Also, when you say hockey sorry, this is like going off on a
tangent, semi-tangent here whenyou say hockey, do you
immediately go like, oh, fieldhockey.
Fabienne (05:36):
Or do you go?
Oh, ice hockey, oh, ice hockey,yeah.
Do you go?
Field hockey, yeah.
Now, granted, now my Discoverpage on on instagram because I
was reading those books.
Oh, it's all hockey, all hockey, which I'm not mad about it,
but I'm also like I'm kind ofover it, but maybe that's just
because I'm here people, I wantto see other posts too.
Jordan (05:58):
Geez, instagram typical honestly.
When, um, when, like theepisode from uh for like
quicksilver came out with youand lauren, um I was like
looking up like stuff aboutquicksilver.
You know, like I I downloadedlike the key um the kindle, uh,
wow, sorry, the ebook like onkindle.
And then everything wasquicksilver too.
Like every single book post hadlike quicksilver, so like it
(06:20):
goes so quickly, like it goes sofast like quicksilver.
Fabienne (06:23):
That was a bad pun, but but I like it exactly, never
mind um actually, would youargue maybe that quicksilver is
like a wintry type of book I, Ihave this feeling.
Yes, I added it, that is in my,uh, in my like winter book recs
, but I it because it starts offwhere it's like super dry and
(06:45):
they have no water and shit butthen like grit this isn't a
spoiler, but she goes to likethe fate world and I think
there's snow.
So I made it a winter book,okay, which then?
Jordan (06:57):
oh yeah, no, no, no, no, I have nothing to add, hugo
okay.
Fabienne (07:01):
So then I was also gonna say would you argue that
agatar, like especially thefirst one, is a winter book,
because it's like snowy and shit, she kills a wolf in the snow
honestly yes, also because, yeah, but oh, yeah, okay, we are so
hyped about this, okay, yes, Iknow.
Jordan (07:21):
But also because it gives off like, uh, beauty and
beast vibes and for me, like awintry type of story.
Fabienne (07:28):
Oh, but then also like she does go to the spring court
, so then she does leave winter.
Jordan (07:32):
But then if you talk, we'll ignore that, but then if
you continue, the series.
Fabienne (07:36):
If you continue the series without spoilers, the
novella.
No, I'm even thinking book two,there's some like dark stuff.
I mean the night court has snow.
I was gonna say that I wasgonna give that away.
Jordan (07:56):
Oh spoiler, I mean there .
Well, there, I mean, there'salso like the who hasn't read
this series?
Honestly at this point, do youlive under a fucking rock?
I'm kidding I mean no I meanyes, but like a quart of frost
and starlight, definitely wintryoh, yeah, but also, but also oh
(08:17):
, my goodness, like it's soboring.
I see people like gushing overthat story, like, oh, how it's
so good and how it's like theonset for like a story, and I'm
like, yeah.
I but also we could have donewithout that novella.
Fabienne (08:32):
Yes, the thing is, I think, all right.
So we're coming in hot with thetea right now, which is also OK
.
I'm going to start with it.
I think Sarah J Maas has a veryinteresting fan base.
We love her books.
Like we love Throne of Glasslike that, by far, is going to
(08:55):
be like one of my all timefavorite series ever.
Like I'm obsessed with thosebooks.
I'm obsessed with those booksbut I'm not necessarily obsessed
with Sarah J Maas in general.
But I feel like her fans arelike such ride or die.
So like if someone were to say,like I don't like her books,
they like come after you.
(09:16):
Like these fans, they're like,no Like.
Clearly you just hate readingbecause you don't like these
books.
And it's so interesting becausethis I definitely talked about
this guy before in a previousepisode, but Dylan Reading he
did a post literally today thattalked about he was like you
(09:36):
know, I mentioned in a videosaying that I DNF'd Throne of
Glass and he's like the booksare just too long and I don't
necessarily like I think he gotpast a couple of them.
I DNF'd Throne of Glass and he'slike the books are just too
long and I don't necessarilylike I think he got past a
couple of them and I think heDNF'd the third one, which I
love the third one.
But I also get like my favoritecharacter of all time, so like
(09:57):
obsessed with the third one.
But I understand that like thebooks aren't going to be for
everyone.
She also started that firstbook when she was 16.
So again, if you can't, Itotally understand, because I
also thought book two was boringas fuck.
But if you can get past it, likethey get better and better.
But like people were coming athim in his comments being like
(10:18):
you just hate reading, like yousay that you're a reader but
like you won't read a thousandpage book and I'm like it's not
for everybody, but like I thinkher fans just like will come at
you for not like but it's sotrue Because even like my sister
has talked to me about her,like her fans like Sarah J
(10:39):
Moss's, like she's read A Courtof Thorns and Roses and she
liked it.
But she's, like you know, likepeople go like fucking nuts and
I'm like they do.
Like she's read A Court ofThorns and Roses and she liked
it.
But she's, like you know, likepeople go like fucking nuts and
I'm like they do.
Like I don't think we're onthat side of like Bookstagram or
BookTok, but like her fans ohthank God Her like fans that are
like to the nth degree arefucking nuts.
And I'm going to say that justbecause, like I feel like we can
(11:01):
understand why somebodywouldn't like them.
Like it's not every book is foreverybody, but again, I did
love them and I loved A Court ofThorns and Roses.
Granted, I do think Throne ofGlass is better.
Crescent City can go in thetoilet, like I just have my own
thoughts on it.
But I just like her fans arenuts and we're probably going to
(11:28):
get like something from thisepisode after me talking about
it.
But, like I think the, thediehard fans can calm the fuck
down.
Jordan (11:33):
I agree, they can calm the fuck down I don't think I
have anything to like, anythingelse to add to that.
Fabienne (11:41):
You praised it so beautifully I don't even know
where I was going.
With that, that's fine honey wenever do.
No, that's the point.
It's like those fans are likewhatever she puts out is gold.
So they're like obsessed withthat novella, even though we're
like it's boring as fuck.
Granted, I read it beforeNesta's story came out.
(12:02):
So, like I finished this liketrilogy, like the Court of
Thorns and Roses, that I neededmore, because it does like, put
you, I still love the books, Ilove where they, when I read
them, how they made me feel andstuff like that.
That also like I wasn't readyfor the series to be over.
So like, of course, I read thisnovella and I was obsessed with
it because I wanted thesecharacters still, but I can
(12:26):
still acknowledge that the bookwas boring, but because I still
wanted that feeling that thefirst three books gave me well,
books two and three and then us30% of the first one, and so
like I'm willing, I was willingto take whatever I could get.
So so like, of course, I likeloved the novella, but it it is
(12:47):
boring.
But I think that's what it isis.
Her fans are like no, no, it'sa masterpiece and you can't say
otherwise.
And I'm like no, it was boring.
Jordan (12:56):
And these people?
Are they of like legal age?
Are they like mature?
I think so.
Oh, wow, that's even oh, that'sworse, oh, that's bad Very
childish.
Anyways, I actually I mean, Isay childish and I actually have
a YA recommendation in thissense Honestly, it's a great
(13:20):
story.
It's by Margaret Fuck,no-transcript, literally, um,
(13:54):
and then there's this one demonand there's like this snowy
world wonderland sort ofsituation going on outside, but
it's very cozy, action-packed,suspenseful read actually, and
it's really beautifully written.
Um, I read this when Iliterally just started
bookstagram, like when you know,like way back in 2020, when I
(14:17):
was only like starting.
I wanted to read, like ya, butthis book on the top of my list
for wintry recommendations, asorcery of thorns by margaret
yeah, I don't really know whather last name is- yeah, so you
can look it up, people look itup
Fabienne (14:35):
don't be lazy I am currently reading una out of
order, like o-o-n-a una, and Iliterally put everybody's like
name for each book except herand I.
So I don't know who this is by,but it's una out of order and
it was a good morning americalike pick, but it it's.
(14:58):
I love magical realism, butit's basically a new year's eve,
new year's day type book.
So, like this girl, she is bornon new year's day and then when
she turns is it 19, I think.
When she's turning 19 in 1982,she jumps to 2015.
(15:22):
So she's living her life out oforder.
So like she's going back andforth between different years
and it's like actually reallygood, I'm loving it.
I still I think I have like 100pages left, but I would
definitely like it's.
I don't know if I would.
I would just label it as wintryonly because it's like a New
(15:43):
Year's Day, new Year's Eve typebook, fair, so I would count it.
But like, if you like magicalrealism, it's.
I wouldn't say like it's smuttyor anything, but I really like
it and I'm labeling it wintry.
Jordan (15:59):
Well then, it is wintry, as per.
Now she said, very 18th century, like, um, I have the dark
hours by amy jordan.
It's I have.
This is like a recommendationthat I saw online, so you know,
don't don't take my word for itum, but it's a thriller and like
a snowed-in type of story.
Um, there is also again agothic-esque type of vibe going
(16:22):
on, because you know like you'rein a cabin in the woods, um
lights go out, you know like asnowstorm is hitting you and you
have this like feeling thatthere's like this presence
lurking around you.
Um, so it's definitelythrillers.
Um, it has action, um, andapparently it's like really like
action packed like the.
The action scenes are likereally well written.
(16:43):
I have no clue because Ihaven't read it, but apparently
this is a good book.
The Dark Hours I have neverheard of it before, but I do
like thrillers that are like setin like Scandinavia too,
because I love to watch likeScandinavian Well series like on
TV, you know.
Know, like you have like thesebritish um detective shows, you
(17:05):
also have like the like thescandinavian um detective shows
and I love those.
So I think, um, yeah, I justlove like the the scandinavian
thrillers, and most of the timethey take place in a wintry
setting.
Fabienne (17:20):
So you know come to the territory.
Yeah, it does count, it does ittotally does I.
Okay, so mine, I would.
I I think this is like an, ifyou want, um splinters of you by
ann malcolm.
She like goes into the woods soshe can like write her like I
(17:43):
think she writes like thrillerbooks, but like since she's
going to a cabin in the middleof the woods, I think it's like
kind of wintry, kind of cold,not.
I wasn't totally thrilled withthe ending of this book, but I
would label it as like a wintryread, if it's something you
wanted, not super smutty, umyeah, I think I have that one
(18:08):
here too, and I remember youtelling me that you weren't like
agreeing with the ending yeah,I think it doesn't doesn't fit.
But I guess if you would haveread all of her other books it
does fit.
But since this being my firstone, it just oh, it's like one
of like that.
Jordan (18:24):
It's like a book that takes place in like a grander
narrative wasn't it like thething I think?
Fabienne (18:30):
so I also think too.
She like wrote 75 at one pointand then the other the last 25,
like years later.
So it kind of reads like that.
Jordan (18:41):
Yeah, oh, oh, okay, that's a shame.
Yeah, I have again anotherrecommendation from like
somebody else the Bear and theNightingale.
Fabienne (18:55):
Oh, I had that too on my.
What other people have said arewintry books by Katherine
Harden.
Jordan (19:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like magical realism, fantasy,
romanticy.
You know you name it, but isn'tthe bear and the nightingale?
Now I might be mixing things uphere, which is not going to be
like the first time ever, but itsounds like an actual fairy
tale.
Fabienne (19:18):
Is it a fairy tale?
I want to say it's like aRussian fairy tale.
Might be totally lying, but Ibelieve it is a fairy tale.
And I want to say it's Russian,but I'm not sure.
Jordan (19:31):
Oh wait, Would you say.
Anastasia by Sophie Lark.
Fabienne (19:35):
Oh fuck, yeah, yes, I would 100%.
And that is yeah, yes,anastasia.
And that is yeah, yes,anastasia.
Oh yeah, and even Anastasia ingeneral, because, like the movie
takes place in, like the winter.
Oh, I'm so glad you said that Ididn't even think about it.
Jordan (19:57):
I think it was because you said Sophie Lark not too
long ago to me and like that waslike floating in the back of my
head.
Fabienne (20:02):
I'm like something, something Sophie Lark also very
wintry, I don't know yeah yes,um, okay, wait, I have one that
this one is actually on my tbr,but spinning silver by naomi
novak novik um, oh that, but Ithink that's a rumple still
skinelling, but I think it'svery like wintry.
(20:23):
I haven't read it, I want toread it.
I read her Uprooted, which Iloved so fucking much, but
that's definitely not wintry atall.
Jordan (20:34):
Okay, are these books?
I don't want to say older inlike the negative sense, but
they are like they came out likea while ago, right yeah, like
like, say, years back, okay,yeah, um, oh yeah, I don't know.
I feel like fantasy does tacklewinter.
Fabienne (20:54):
Yes, I agree pretty often, yeah, so I feel like
there's definitely a lot morefantasy, like well yeah, yeah, I
also have.
Jordan (21:11):
I think her name is, I want to say, erin.
No, wait, earnshaw, shay,earnshaw, winterwood.
It's like a very small town,village type of story, like,
like, like, like, say, like acity in maine, for example, like
coastal town.
That's what I'm looking for,but then, like you know, like
(21:33):
takes place in in the evenings.
Um, the story actually likeit's, it's time framed, if that
makes sense, um, and definitelyin the darker time of year.
I can't remember.
I read this a while back, likeagain first year bookstagram way
back.
Um, I think it takes place inwinter or it takes place in
(21:55):
early spring, because I remembera scene, something about spring
like coming.
I think it actually took placein winter.
Fantastic recommendation ofthis.
Actually, I have no idea whatI'm talking about, um, but I
would definitely, uh, would saywinterwood and uh also I mean
it's right there in the titlefor one.
Um, yeah, but also because it'sit has just this like wintry
(22:21):
coastal vibe to it, also witchesI love witches.
God damn those witches um alwaysthose damned witches.
What can you do?
Fabienne (22:33):
I have rules of civility.
I think civility, yeah, I thinkcivility um the.
It's the same author of, likethe gentleman of moscow, but
I've heard that one's verywintry, um, definitely not
smutty.
But I that's on my tbr and Ifeel like I'm gonna read it
sooner rather than later,because if it's is wintry I feel
(22:55):
like it's the book to read now,but I don't know, I haven't
read it.
Jordan (22:59):
So we're throwing a like throwing a contemporary lit and
classic books too.
I mean, a Gentleman in MoscowI'd say it's kind of like a
classic book in that sense.
Fabienne (23:14):
Oh Girl, you were just lucky I got some Winter Rex in
there.
I didn't know we had to stickwith.
Jordan (23:20):
Muddy.
Oh no, no, no, no.
But then I mean, I would sayDorian Gray, I would say
Weathering Heights, I would sayDracula.
Fabienne (23:30):
No, I would label that more like gothic and like fall
yeah.
Jordan (23:36):
I wouldn't label those.
Fabienne (23:39):
No, we got like vampires.
Paranormal gothic fall.
I'm winter.
Jordan (23:49):
Huh, wait, do you do that Wait question?
I mean obviously like in thegeneral, okay, well, hopefully
Okay.
So in a general sense, gothiclike equals fall, spooky,
autumumnal.
But there is also like thewinter gothic right where it's
like cold and just dark days andlike shivers and frost and like
(24:14):
big fields.
Fabienne (24:15):
So whether or not it's like okay, I haven't read that
book, but I feel like I stillequate that to fall, even though
, because I think fall, I canthink cold, I can think those
sort of things.
So I wouldn't label them.
Jordan (24:32):
Okay, fair, maybe not the picture, dorian Gray, though
.
Fabienne (24:36):
Yeah, no, that's definitely.
That's like fall, that's fall.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jordan (24:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm actuallythrough my list.
Fabienne (24:48):
Oh well, I did have one more, which I don't know.
This is what somebody else wassaying Uh-huh, but A Study in
Drowning.
Do you think that's wintery?
I've never read it, but I wantto.
I want to, but I don't knowwintery.
Jordan (25:04):
I've never read it, but I want to I want to, but I don't
know if ellison something,something book ava reed no, ava
reed completely.
Somebody else like oh wait,there's also a similar book that
sounds like that title, butit's written by a ellison you're
not giving me much here, fob,no, no.
(25:25):
I don't know.
Fabienne (25:27):
But I think Ava Reid Okay, some other people were
also saying um One Dark Windowby Rachel Liu.
Jordan (25:40):
Oh, uh, yeah, the one that's from my uh anticipated
reads too.
Uh, rachel Gillick.
Fabienne (25:47):
Yeah, yes, I started, started.
Someone else also mentioned.
I'm literally going off likereddit from the ones that, like
I work it's homework, you know,because I gave you.
I gave you all the ones that Ilike read and then the ones that
I want to read that I know arewintery.
But then someone else said onefor my enemy, but I I don't,
(26:08):
which is olivie blake, I thinkis how you say her first name,
but I don't know if that I've.
I've read like the first, likethird of it.
I don't know if I would have,because someone else said it.
I am adding it here but I don'tknow if I would have added it.
But maybe it gets like wintryif I would have continued.
But the first is now third.
(26:32):
I didn't.
Jordan (26:32):
Yeah, no, huh, wait, didn't she also wrote wow, right
didn't.
She also write januaries, isn't?
Fabienne (26:41):
like lisa reading that .
Oh, yes, yes, but that's like abunch of short stories.
I don't know, are they?
wintery, I have no idea, I just,I just, I mean you're, you're
mentioning, like olivie blake,and she was january- and I'm
like winter yes, oh, um, butlisa did say that if you have
not read her before, don't startwith januaries, because it's a
(27:03):
bunch of short stories that shesays to either start with, like
atlas six or one for my enemy,but I think one for my enemy
it's witches and it's oh, it'sdefinitely one book where atlas
six is like several.
I think it's like a trilogythat's a series, oh yeah.
So I think like if you want todive into her, depending on how
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you want to dive in, maybe startwith one for my enemy, or she
has like alone with you in theether, and I think that's like a
contemporary, like love story,no smut or very little smut or
something.
I have like all of her booksbecause Lisa has like made me
buy them, not like actually likeheld me at gunpoint, but like I
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just buy them because she'slike obsessed with them.
Jordan (27:50):
You can be honest, you can say that she did.
Fabienne (27:53):
But I have yet to finish one of her books, like
I've gotten the farthest withone for my enemy.
But I literally own all of herbooks.
I just have yet to read any ofthem.
I will Well, you know, maybethat's the you have choice.
Jordan (28:05):
You have choice whenever you do.
We like choice, we like choice.
Fabienne (28:09):
We like variety.
Variety is no, life is no,variety is the spice of life.
Jordan (28:15):
Yeah, is that a?
Thing?
Oh, it is now, maybe not.
Fabienne (28:19):
Yeah.
Jordan (28:20):
I think it's a saying.
Fabienne (28:21):
I think it is a saying Maybe in the US, not anywhere
else.
Jordan (28:25):
Not here, not here.
No, okay, I have one and Ithink that might be.
I mean, if you're done withyour list, I think this might be
like a, because I also want totalk about the books that I'm
reading at the moment.
If that's okay, hit me.
And a book that's actually alsolike you know, I want to say
deals with winter, but thatsounds so stupid.
Like you know, like it takesplace in winter, in the first
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half it's Anathema, by CarrieLake.
Ooh, like the first book in hernew fantastical series.
I'm not sure if it's going tobe a trilogy or a duet or a
series.
Actually, it's very heavy worldbuilding.
I am still reading it, but it'sa little bit tough at some
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points to just actually getthrough, which is not something
I'm used to when it comes toKeri Lake, because I loved
Master of Salt and Bone no.
Fabienne (29:21):
I still label that.
No, I see I'm gothic.
Aw spooky phone.
No, I still label that.
No, I see I'm gothic, oh okay,okay, fair.
Jordan (29:33):
Okay, fuck the gothic.
I'm just, I'm just not going togive you any more gothic
recommendations than for thispart.
Um, but I like, I mean, I lovethe way that carrie writes.
It's not as creepy asNoctocadia, yeah, no, definitely
not.
Fabienne (29:50):
I want to love that book, so fucking bad.
Jordan (29:53):
I know, I know, girl, but sometimes like hey,
sometimes maybe this is likeyour.
What's it like?
Crown of Midnight?
Maybe it's your Crown ofMidnight for that Dylan guy, the
third book, the series Throneof Glass.
Is it Crown of Midnight?
Maybe it's your Crown ofMidnight for that Dylan guy, the
third book, the series Throneof Glass.
Is it not Crown of Midnight?
No, maybe like this is what'sdone, but close Bucket.
Oh, almost, am I.
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People will come after me now,you are not a true fan.
Fabienne (30:19):
No, no, you're not, but yes I Wait.
No, you're not, but yes I wait.
We're coming back to Sarah JMaas.
I am also.
(30:39):
I just want to state, like,everybody will come after you if
you don't like her, just forgetabout that.
So I, you cannot come afterpeople for not liking her books
if you don't know all the booksshe's written.
Just putting that out there,mic, drop, snap fingers, um,
okay, and you can continue.
Have you ever watched Queer?
Jordan (30:57):
Eye.
Fabienne (30:59):
I love, I like what I've been.
I am managing.
For some reason, like you, likebeing Jonathan, like this, like
Johnny oh yes, I think when Ilike watched it only like three
seasons were out and I neverwent back to it.
Jordan (31:12):
But I love Queer Eye oh, I love it so much.
It's such like, it's such agood vibe, like good feel it's
like a good, like serious goodfeel.
Fabienne (31:19):
Yeah, a good feel good show, feel good, wow, that's so
hard words uh, no, but I boughtthe special edition of
nocticadia before I read it, sonow I just have this like
special edition, that I'm justlike you know, just catching
dust, collecting dust on theshelf I don't even know where it
is anymore because clearly I'vemoved, so it's somewhere it's
(31:45):
somewhere okay, sorry, nowcontinue with yeah, yeah, no no,
no, um, uh, I am also readingtoo many books because I can't
think of another single title.
Jordan (31:59):
Um, I actually read re.
Wait, do do like, do very, veryrecent reread counts, no right
yeah, oh yeah, yeah, well, I um,this is like, not somebody,
it's not like like, wow, it'snot like um, um, literary
fiction, it is well, it is.
It's like a collection ofessays by mary oliver, um
(32:22):
upstream, and it basicallytackles, like, um, how the
mundane is not mundane at all,but it's like it's suspiciously,
and in how do I say that?
Well, not necessarilysuspicious, but like it tries to
deceive.
(32:42):
To be seen, I'm explaining thisso poorly.
Anyways, I just read upstream.
It was really good.
I like it.
Yeah, I like it I like it soanathema, anathema okay well
reading that one fair.
Fabienne (32:58):
But so, like I mentioned it earlier, because I
want to talk about what I'mcurrently reading, too back and
forth.
Jordan (33:04):
Jesus, of course.
Fabienne (33:06):
Una Out of Order, which I'm almost done with.
I'm actually like doing thisbook club, that like, where I'm
going to like meet with themtomorrow.
Oh, so I have to have the bookfinished by tomorrow, but I also
go happy out of your book.
Jordan (33:20):
Wait, you're actually physically kind of going to go
there.
Yes, yes, I'm so excited Girl,I'm so proud of you because I
remember you talking to me abouthow you were like, so like
anxious, but also like excited.
Fabienne (33:31):
Oh, ok, that's a different one.
So now I have to.
I actually went to that one.
Ok, you know what I'm talkingabout.
That one there was only oneperson and it was me, and then
there was the people that workedthere.
But the people that work thereare so nice and so I just chat
with them for like two hours,but it was like so fun.
But this one is actually likethere's like 10 of us.
(33:52):
I went to the first one lastmonth and this is the second one
, which they decided on Una outof order.
But it's kind of nice becausethey like smutty books but like
they choose more of thetraditionally published books.
So it's like books I wouldn'tnecessarily pick up for myself,
like I never would have pickedup una out of order, but I'm
(34:12):
loving it.
And so this time, like we'regonna talk, we're gonna decide
based off of.
Have you seen the thing on umreels where it's like everybody
writes down on a piece of paperlike what they want to read, and
then you go through and aspeople pick it, like I'm not,
we're not gonna read.
Um, oh no, I have not seen this.
(34:33):
Oh, it's like so cool.
So it's like everybody likewrites it down and then you go
in order and then the last bookpicked is the book you read, so
like every, so you you couldhave multiples of the same book
because it's like what peoplewant to read.
So I have to decide what I'mgonna like bring on a piece of
paper.
But the thing is that I don'twant to go like super smutty
because like this is only likethe second time.
Jordan (34:55):
I'm like meeting with these people yeah, you don't
want to like show them yourfreak side.
No, I get that not yet not yet,yeah.
Fabienne (35:02):
So I need to figure out what book I want to like
suggest, which I think I'm goingto do.
What are we Kiss of theBasilisk God?
Oh my God, I would just die toknow.
How about Baby Rose guys?
Jordan (35:17):
How about Vibe by, you know, Lessa James?
Fabienne (35:21):
What do you think, guys?
What do you think?
Jordan (35:24):
Oh, my God.
Fabienne (35:25):
I think they'd be like out, you're kicked, out, you're
gone, goodbye, goodbye, sure.
Jordan (35:33):
This is your time out.
Go stand in the corner.
Fabienne (35:36):
Yeah.
Yeah so you know, yeah, so I'mso excited, but we're going to
like ease them into it.
Jordan (35:49):
Sorry, yeah, okay, wait, that's tomorrow.
Wait now, I'm confused.
I'm off track.
Now, when is this?
Yeah, tomorrow.
Because you need to finish itby tomorrow.
Oh, you are on it.
Yeah, but I do have theaudiobook, audiobook.
Fabienne (36:04):
so I'm gonna listen while at work and then, like I'm
gonna have like my drive, so II have like less than three
hours on like the audiobook fromlike where I am in the
paperback, so I know I'll beable to like finish it before
tomorrow.
But then I'm also I'm alsocurrently reading.
I just have those two.
This one is the Moon and HisTides by Gianna Darling.
(36:25):
I'm not too far.
I think I'm on like.
Well, actually I couldn't sleeplast night.
I woke up at like 1pm and Icouldn't fall back asleep, so I
pulled out my Kindle and readfor an hour and a half and then
was like I need to try to goback to sleep.
So I got farther than Wait 1 pmor 1 am, 1 am, and then I read
(36:48):
till 2.30 am.
So I'm only on.
I'm chapter eight, so I'm 25%in, but I'm actually really
liking it and Huh.
Jordan (36:59):
Yeah, and this is one of her more recent yeah, like this
one comes up, oh, I got the arc.
Yeah, so it actually comes outon the 23rd of january, which
depending?
Fabienne (37:13):
on when this episode comes out, it might already be
out awkward yeah, somewhere infebruary yeah, oops, what are
you currently reading?
What else?
Jordan (37:26):
I am reading a novella, paradise Rot, by Jenny Havall.
It's very postmodernistic, verylike structured and fragmented,
like sentence structures, likethe main character is just all
over the place.
It's very much contemporary,like fiction, and I have still
(37:48):
yet to decide what my thoughtsare on it.
I do like the writing style,like I'm very much like engaged
with it, if that makes sense,but I have no clue what I'm
actually like reading.
So it's interesting, so I haveyou know yet to see where it
goes.
So I'll give you my thoughtswhen I do finish it whenever I
like it.
(38:08):
I like it and I'm also trying toread a high fantasy, because
that's really not necessarilylike right up my alley.
But you know, with you knowthis being the new year, and I
want to read like um, as manyunknown authors to me like I
already said this, by the waybut also I want to read, out of
my comfort, genres and highfantasy, like, actually like
(38:30):
high high fantasy, like talk,lord of the Rings and Game of
Thrones.
It's not necessarily like mycup of tea, but I do want to try
it.
So I picked up the Vagrant byPeter Newman.
No idea what it's about.
I'm literally at page four orsomething Going strong, bob
going strong.
Bob going strong.
I know, I know.
So maybe there's a reason whyI'm reading so many books.
(38:52):
You know, like maybe all ofthese are just not for me, but
no, they're all gonna be for you.
You're gonna be like you'regonna love them hopefully so
yeah, those, those are my readsat the moment nice, I only have
those two, so hey, also goingstrong.
Fabienne (39:15):
I'd say yeah, thank you so much for listening and
please don't forget to rate andreview wherever you can find us
so catch you next time bye,wherever you can find us, so
catch you next time.
Bye.
welcome to the bookish hour with jor and fab a long
time.
No see, honey hi long time.
Fabienne (00:13):
No see, wow, it's feel like it's been forever.
Jordan (00:16):
That's forever and never and never and never I always
used to think that I was sogreat at acting when I was
younger I thought I would makesuch a good, like good actress.
And now, sometimes I just likepretend to be, you know like
enthusiastic in certain likethings and like, yeah, I can't
fake that shit I don't want totell you this actually you're a
(00:39):
great actress.
Uh, no, I love it.
Fabienne (00:39):
Give it all to me, actress.
No, I love it.
Give it all to me.
Jordan (00:46):
Okay, I can't, that's all.
Fabienne (00:49):
That's all you got.
That's all.
Jordan (00:52):
I got.
Well, that's not all I actuallyhave.
I came with recommendations forthis entire episode.
I did homework for you.
Fabienne (01:02):
I did too.
I'm so proud, because winterybooks, that's a hard fucking
wreck to give.
I just want to state thatbecause it's hard.
Jordan (01:12):
Do we go with like, where there is like snow
undercover?
Do we go for like gothic tales?
Do we go for christmas books?
No, because you know we're waypast december.
Fabienne (01:20):
At this point no you just have to go with like winter
book recs.
So want to go back and forthagain.
Jordan (01:28):
You know what?
Yeah, let's do it.
You want to go first?
Fabienne (01:32):
You want to go first, I'll go first.
Okay, I'm so proud of this onebecause I actually thought of
this one from my head instead ofGoogling Wow.
So I have books that I've readfirst, and then I have books
that I've read first, and then Ihave ones that, like other
people have said that are on myTBR.
So, like, these are the onesthat I've read.
Jordan (01:50):
So the first one's Credence by Penelope Douglas,
the female main characterliterally goes into the woods
and it's like snowy and shit andthen some stuff happens.
Fabienne (02:08):
Honestly, I think that's the best book blurb to
have ever existed.
Oh my god wait.
Do you remember when we had tolike butcher book blurbs and
then the other person had toguess the book?
Jordan (02:13):
this would take the fucking cake.
Fabienne (02:15):
Yes honestly that I should have.
We should do it again.
We need to do it again.
Write it down again.
Jordan (02:23):
Write it down again.
Wait, wait.
I'm opening up the notes app.
Um, do I only write with theblue or like the colored dates?
Is that like out?
Fabienne (02:34):
is that, yes, the blue is ours, okay, butchered book,
blurb titles, whatever that wasso fun, but I also feel like we
guessed it every single time,like we knew anyways okay um
winter book rex you next uh, Ihave bone island by nicole
(03:00):
fiorina fuck, that was my otherone, but that one is a good
winter book because I feel likeHollow Heathens is fall but,
like Bone Island, people werewaiting for fall to read it and
I had to tell people I'm like,no, do not wait for fall, you
are out of fall, like it'sperpetually winter there.
Jordan (03:23):
It's like, literally, like, almost, like a presence in
the like, literally like,almost like a presence in the
book itself, like a character onits own.
So, yes, wintertime, yes.
Fabienne (03:31):
Great book and both of those are well.
Bone Island and Credence areboth smutty.
So you want some smutty, smut,smut, smut.
Jordan (03:38):
Mm-hmm.
Oh yeah, I actually kind offorgot about that.
Bone Island is hella smutty.
Yeah, I actually kind of forgotabout that Bone Island is hella
smutty, as opposed to HollowHeathens.
Fabienne (03:46):
Hella, oh yeah, hollow Heathens is like.
I don't know what to do.
Jordan (03:51):
It's like a YA version for her younger daughter back
then.
Fabienne (03:54):
And she couldn't do a YA version for Bone Island.
Okay, so I would have to go.
Jordan (04:01):
It's like redacted, redacted, redacted.
The entire book will be black.
Fabienne (04:06):
Yes, but actually no.
But I was going to say HockeyGod series by S Massery Granted.
I only read the first three,but like hockey happens in the
winter, so like Brutal Obsessionis the first one, then Blank
yeah, I don't remember what booktwo is titled and then secret
(04:29):
obsession is the third one, thenit's twisted obsession, then
it's fierce obsession, so manyobsessions yeah, why can I not
think of the second one?
Jordan (04:41):
I don't know, not obsessed enough no, clearly, oh,
but no wait do we, do we, would, we say, like we'd scale like
every single ice hockey booklike to be a winter book,
because isn't there like thishannah grace book like
icebreaker?
Is that like a winter book,then, which is also apparently
smutty, I think, from whatpeople?
Yeah, yeah, it's smutty.
Fabienne (05:02):
Yeah, I would label like I think if you want a
winter book, like I would labela hockey book winter, just
because in the winter so likethey're cold and stuff.
But it's not.
I think like if you really wantlike a winter book, I would
definitely lean towards likecredence and bone island more,
but I like this is on thelighter side, but it still works
as like a winter book.
Okay, fair, hot ice hockey.
Jordan (05:22):
Also, when you say hockey sorry, this is like going
off on a tangent, but it stillworks as like a winter book.
Okay, fair, ice hockey.
Also, when you say hockey sorry, this is like going off on a
tangent, semi-tangent here whenyou say hockey, do you
immediately go like, oh, fieldhockey.
Fabienne (05:36):
Or do you go?
Oh, ice hockey, oh, ice hockey,yeah.
Do you go?
Field hockey, yeah.
Now, granted, now my Discoverpage on on instagram because I
was reading those books.
Oh, it's all hockey, all hockey, which I'm not mad about it,
but I'm also like I'm kind ofover it, but maybe that's just
because I'm here people, I wantto see other posts too.
Jordan (05:58):
Geez, instagram typical honestly.
When, um, when, like theepisode from uh for like
quicksilver came out with youand lauren, um I was like
looking up like stuff aboutquicksilver.
You know, like I I downloadedlike the key um the kindle, uh,
wow, sorry, the ebook like onkindle.
And then everything wasquicksilver too.
Like every single book post hadlike quicksilver, so like it
(06:20):
goes so quickly, like it goes sofast like quicksilver.
Fabienne (06:23):
That was a bad pun, but but I like it exactly, never
mind um actually, would youargue maybe that quicksilver is
like a wintry type of book I, Ihave this feeling.
Yes, I added it, that is in my,uh, in my like winter book recs
, but I it because it starts offwhere it's like super dry and
(06:45):
they have no water and shit butthen like grit this isn't a
spoiler, but she goes to likethe fate world and I think
there's snow.
So I made it a winter book,okay, which then?
Jordan (06:57):
oh yeah, no, no, no, no, I have nothing to add, hugo
okay.
Fabienne (07:01):
So then I was also gonna say would you argue that
agatar, like especially thefirst one, is a winter book,
because it's like snowy and shit, she kills a wolf in the snow
honestly yes, also because, yeah, but oh, yeah, okay, we are so
hyped about this, okay, yes, Iknow.
Jordan (07:21):
But also because it gives off like, uh, beauty and
beast vibes and for me, like awintry type of story.
Fabienne (07:28):
Oh, but then also like she does go to the spring court
, so then she does leave winter.
Jordan (07:32):
But then if you talk, we'll ignore that, but then if
you continue, the series.
Fabienne (07:36):
If you continue the series without spoilers, the
novella.
No, I'm even thinking book two,there's some like dark stuff.
I mean the night court has snow.
I was gonna say that I wasgonna give that away.
Jordan (07:56):
Oh spoiler, I mean there .
Well, there, I mean, there'salso like the who hasn't read
this series?
Honestly at this point, do youlive under a fucking rock?
I'm kidding I mean no I meanyes, but like a quart of frost
and starlight, definitely wintryoh, yeah, but also, but also oh
(08:17):
, my goodness, like it's soboring.
I see people like gushing overthat story, like, oh, how it's
so good and how it's like theonset for like a story, and I'm
like, yeah.
I but also we could have donewithout that novella.
Fabienne (08:32):
Yes, the thing is, I think, all right.
So we're coming in hot with thetea right now, which is also OK
.
I'm going to start with it.
I think Sarah J Maas has a veryinteresting fan base.
We love her books.
Like we love Throne of Glasslike that, by far, is going to
(08:55):
be like one of my all timefavorite series ever.
Like I'm obsessed with thosebooks.
I'm obsessed with those booksbut I'm not necessarily obsessed
with Sarah J Maas in general.
But I feel like her fans arelike such ride or die.
So like if someone were to say,like I don't like her books,
they like come after you.
(09:16):
Like these fans, they're like,no Like.
Clearly you just hate readingbecause you don't like these
books.
And it's so interesting becausethis I definitely talked about
this guy before in a previousepisode, but Dylan Reading he
did a post literally today thattalked about he was like you
(09:36):
know, I mentioned in a videosaying that I DNF'd Throne of
Glass and he's like the booksare just too long and I don't
necessarily like I think he gotpast a couple of them.
I DNF'd Throne of Glass and he'slike the books are just too
long and I don't necessarilylike I think he got past a
couple of them and I think heDNF'd the third one, which I
love the third one.
But I also get like my favoritecharacter of all time, so like
(09:57):
obsessed with the third one.
But I understand that like thebooks aren't going to be for
everyone.
She also started that firstbook when she was 16.
So again, if you can't, Itotally understand, because I
also thought book two was boringas fuck.
But if you can get past it, likethey get better and better.
But like people were coming athim in his comments being like
(10:18):
you just hate reading, like yousay that you're a reader but
like you won't read a thousandpage book and I'm like it's not
for everybody, but like I thinkher fans just like will come at
you for not like but it's sotrue Because even like my sister
has talked to me about her,like her fans like Sarah J
(10:39):
Moss's, like she's read A Courtof Thorns and Roses and she
liked it.
But she's, like you know, likepeople go like fucking nuts and
I'm like they do.
Like she's read A Court ofThorns and Roses and she liked
it.
But she's, like you know, likepeople go like fucking nuts and
I'm like they do.
Like I don't think we're onthat side of like Bookstagram or
BookTok, but like her fans ohthank God Her like fans that are
like to the nth degree arefucking nuts.
And I'm going to say that justbecause, like I feel like we can
(11:01):
understand why somebodywouldn't like them.
Like it's not every book is foreverybody, but again, I did
love them and I loved A Court ofThorns and Roses.
Granted, I do think Throne ofGlass is better.
Crescent City can go in thetoilet, like I just have my own
thoughts on it.
But I just like her fans arenuts and we're probably going to
(11:28):
get like something from thisepisode after me talking about
it.
But, like I think the, thediehard fans can calm the fuck
down.
Jordan (11:33):
I agree, they can calm the fuck down I don't think I
have anything to like, anythingelse to add to that.
Fabienne (11:41):
You praised it so beautifully I don't even know
where I was going.
With that, that's fine honey wenever do.
No, that's the point.
It's like those fans are likewhatever she puts out is gold.
So they're like obsessed withthat novella, even though we're
like it's boring as fuck.
Granted, I read it beforeNesta's story came out.
(12:02):
So, like I finished this liketrilogy, like the Court of
Thorns and Roses, that I neededmore, because it does like, put
you, I still love the books, Ilove where they, when I read
them, how they made me feel andstuff like that.
That also like I wasn't readyfor the series to be over.
So like, of course, I read thisnovella and I was obsessed with
it because I wanted thesecharacters still, but I can
(12:26):
still acknowledge that the bookwas boring, but because I still
wanted that feeling that thefirst three books gave me well,
books two and three and then us30% of the first one, and so
like I'm willing, I was willingto take whatever I could get.
So so like, of course, I likeloved the novella, but it it is
(12:47):
boring.
But I think that's what it isis.
Her fans are like no, no, it'sa masterpiece and you can't say
otherwise.
And I'm like no, it was boring.
Jordan (12:56):
And these people?
Are they of like legal age?
Are they like mature?
I think so.
Oh, wow, that's even oh, that'sworse, oh, that's bad Very
childish.
Anyways, I actually I mean, Isay childish and I actually have
a YA recommendation in thissense Honestly, it's a great
(13:20):
story.
It's by Margaret Fuck,no-transcript, literally, um,
(13:54):
and then there's this one demonand there's like this snowy
world wonderland sort ofsituation going on outside, but
it's very cozy, action-packed,suspenseful read actually, and
it's really beautifully written.
Um, I read this when Iliterally just started
bookstagram, like when you know,like way back in 2020, when I
(14:17):
was only like starting.
I wanted to read, like ya, butthis book on the top of my list
for wintry recommendations, asorcery of thorns by margaret
yeah, I don't really know whather last name is- yeah, so you
can look it up, people look itup
Fabienne (14:35):
don't be lazy I am currently reading una out of
order, like o-o-n-a una, and Iliterally put everybody's like
name for each book except herand I.
So I don't know who this is by,but it's una out of order and
it was a good morning americalike pick, but it it's.
(14:58):
I love magical realism, butit's basically a new year's eve,
new year's day type book.
So, like this girl, she is bornon new year's day and then when
she turns is it 19, I think.
When she's turning 19 in 1982,she jumps to 2015.
(15:22):
So she's living her life out oforder.
So like she's going back andforth between different years
and it's like actually reallygood, I'm loving it.
I still I think I have like 100pages left, but I would
definitely like it's.
I don't know if I would.
I would just label it as wintryonly because it's like a New
(15:43):
Year's Day, new Year's Eve typebook, fair, so I would count it.
But like, if you like magicalrealism, it's.
I wouldn't say like it's smuttyor anything, but I really like
it and I'm labeling it wintry.
Jordan (15:59):
Well then, it is wintry, as per.
Now she said, very 18th century, like, um, I have the dark
hours by amy jordan.
It's I have.
This is like a recommendationthat I saw online, so you know,
don't don't take my word for itum, but it's a thriller and like
a snowed-in type of story.
Um, there is also again agothic-esque type of vibe going
(16:22):
on, because you know like you'rein a cabin in the woods, um
lights go out, you know like asnowstorm is hitting you and you
have this like feeling thatthere's like this presence
lurking around you.
Um, so it's definitelythrillers.
Um, it has action, um, andapparently it's like really like
action packed like the.
The action scenes are likereally well written.
(16:43):
I have no clue because Ihaven't read it, but apparently
this is a good book.
The Dark Hours I have neverheard of it before, but I do
like thrillers that are like setin like Scandinavia too,
because I love to watch likeScandinavian Well series like on
TV, you know.
Know, like you have like thesebritish um detective shows, you
(17:05):
also have like the like thescandinavian um detective shows
and I love those.
So I think, um, yeah, I justlove like the the scandinavian
thrillers, and most of the timethey take place in a wintry
setting.
Fabienne (17:20):
So you know come to the territory.
Yeah, it does count, it does ittotally does I.
Okay, so mine, I would.
I I think this is like an, ifyou want, um splinters of you by
ann malcolm.
She like goes into the woods soshe can like write her like I
(17:43):
think she writes like thrillerbooks, but like since she's
going to a cabin in the middleof the woods, I think it's like
kind of wintry, kind of cold,not.
I wasn't totally thrilled withthe ending of this book, but I
would label it as like a wintryread, if it's something you
wanted, not super smutty, umyeah, I think I have that one
(18:08):
here too, and I remember youtelling me that you weren't like
agreeing with the ending yeah,I think it doesn't doesn't fit.
But I guess if you would haveread all of her other books it
does fit.
But since this being my firstone, it just oh, it's like one
of like that.
Jordan (18:24):
It's like a book that takes place in like a grander
narrative wasn't it like thething I think?
Fabienne (18:30):
so I also think too.
She like wrote 75 at one pointand then the other the last 25,
like years later.
So it kind of reads like that.
Jordan (18:41):
Yeah, oh, oh, okay, that's a shame.
Yeah, I have again anotherrecommendation from like
somebody else the Bear and theNightingale.
Fabienne (18:55):
Oh, I had that too on my.
What other people have said arewintry books by Katherine
Harden.
Jordan (19:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like magical realism, fantasy,
romanticy.
You know you name it, but isn'tthe bear and the nightingale?
Now I might be mixing things uphere, which is not going to be
like the first time ever, but itsounds like an actual fairy
tale.
Fabienne (19:18):
Is it a fairy tale?
I want to say it's like aRussian fairy tale.
Might be totally lying, but Ibelieve it is a fairy tale.
And I want to say it's Russian,but I'm not sure.
Jordan (19:31):
Oh wait, Would you say.
Anastasia by Sophie Lark.
Fabienne (19:35):
Oh fuck, yeah, yes, I would 100%.
And that is yeah, yes,anastasia.
And that is yeah, yes,anastasia.
Oh yeah, and even Anastasia ingeneral, because, like the movie
takes place in, like the winter.
Oh, I'm so glad you said that Ididn't even think about it.
Jordan (19:57):
I think it was because you said Sophie Lark not too
long ago to me and like that waslike floating in the back of my
head.
Fabienne (20:02):
I'm like something, something Sophie Lark also very
wintry, I don't know yeah yes,um, okay, wait, I have one that
this one is actually on my tbr,but spinning silver by naomi
novak novik um, oh that, but Ithink that's a rumple still
skinelling, but I think it'svery like wintry.
(20:23):
I haven't read it, I want toread it.
I read her Uprooted, which Iloved so fucking much, but
that's definitely not wintry atall.
Jordan (20:34):
Okay, are these books?
I don't want to say older inlike the negative sense, but
they are like they came out likea while ago, right yeah, like
like, say, years back, okay,yeah, um, oh yeah, I don't know.
I feel like fantasy does tacklewinter.
Fabienne (20:54):
Yes, I agree pretty often, yeah, so I feel like
there's definitely a lot morefantasy, like well yeah, yeah, I
also have.
Jordan (21:11):
I think her name is, I want to say, erin.
No, wait, earnshaw, shay,earnshaw, winterwood.
It's like a very small town,village type of story, like,
like, like, like, say, like acity in maine, for example, like
coastal town.
That's what I'm looking for,but then, like you know, like
(21:33):
takes place in in the evenings.
Um, the story actually likeit's, it's time framed, if that
makes sense, um, and definitelyin the darker time of year.
I can't remember.
I read this a while back, likeagain first year bookstagram way
back.
Um, I think it takes place inwinter or it takes place in
(21:55):
early spring, because I remembera scene, something about spring
like coming.
I think it actually took placein winter.
Fantastic recommendation ofthis.
Actually, I have no idea whatI'm talking about, um, but I
would definitely, uh, would saywinterwood and uh also I mean
it's right there in the titlefor one.
Um, yeah, but also because it'sit has just this like wintry
(22:21):
coastal vibe to it, also witchesI love witches.
God damn those witches um alwaysthose damned witches.
What can you do?
Fabienne (22:33):
I have rules of civility.
I think civility, yeah, I thinkcivility um the.
It's the same author of, likethe gentleman of moscow, but
I've heard that one's verywintry, um, definitely not
smutty.
But I that's on my tbr and Ifeel like I'm gonna read it
sooner rather than later,because if it's is wintry I feel
(22:55):
like it's the book to read now,but I don't know, I haven't
read it.
Jordan (22:59):
So we're throwing a like throwing a contemporary lit and
classic books too.
I mean, a Gentleman in MoscowI'd say it's kind of like a
classic book in that sense.
Fabienne (23:14):
Oh Girl, you were just lucky I got some Winter Rex in
there.
I didn't know we had to stickwith.
Jordan (23:20):
Muddy.
Oh no, no, no, no.
But then I mean, I would sayDorian Gray, I would say
Weathering Heights, I would sayDracula.
Fabienne (23:30):
No, I would label that more like gothic and like fall
yeah.
Jordan (23:36):
I wouldn't label those.
Fabienne (23:39):
No, we got like vampires.
Paranormal gothic fall.
I'm winter.
Jordan (23:49):
Huh, wait, do you do that Wait question?
I mean obviously like in thegeneral, okay, well, hopefully
Okay.
So in a general sense, gothiclike equals fall, spooky,
autumumnal.
But there is also like thewinter gothic right where it's
like cold and just dark days andlike shivers and frost and like
(24:14):
big fields.
Fabienne (24:15):
So whether or not it's like okay, I haven't read that
book, but I feel like I stillequate that to fall, even though
, because I think fall, I canthink cold, I can think those
sort of things.
So I wouldn't label them.
Jordan (24:32):
Okay, fair, maybe not the picture, dorian Gray, though
.
Fabienne (24:36):
Yeah, no, that's definitely.
That's like fall, that's fall.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jordan (24:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm actuallythrough my list.
Fabienne (24:48):
Oh well, I did have one more, which I don't know.
This is what somebody else wassaying Uh-huh, but A Study in
Drowning.
Do you think that's wintery?
I've never read it, but I wantto.
I want to, but I don't knowwintery.
Jordan (25:04):
I've never read it, but I want to I want to, but I don't
know if ellison something,something book ava reed no, ava
reed completely.
Somebody else like oh wait,there's also a similar book that
sounds like that title, butit's written by a ellison you're
not giving me much here, fob,no, no.
(25:25):
I don't know.
Fabienne (25:27):
But I think Ava Reid Okay, some other people were
also saying um One Dark Windowby Rachel Liu.
Jordan (25:40):
Oh, uh, yeah, the one that's from my uh anticipated
reads too.
Uh, rachel Gillick.
Fabienne (25:47):
Yeah, yes, I started, started.
Someone else also mentioned.
I'm literally going off likereddit from the ones that, like
I work it's homework, you know,because I gave you.
I gave you all the ones that Ilike read and then the ones that
I want to read that I know arewintery.
But then someone else said onefor my enemy, but I I don't,
(26:08):
which is olivie blake, I thinkis how you say her first name,
but I don't know if that I've.
I've read like the first, likethird of it.
I don't know if I would have,because someone else said it.
I am adding it here but I don'tknow if I would have added it.
But maybe it gets like wintryif I would have continued.
But the first is now third.
(26:32):
I didn't.
Jordan (26:32):
Yeah, no, huh, wait, didn't she also wrote wow, right
didn't.
She also write januaries, isn't?
Fabienne (26:41):
like lisa reading that .
Oh, yes, yes, but that's like abunch of short stories.
I don't know, are they?
wintery, I have no idea, I just,I just, I mean you're, you're
mentioning, like olivie blake,and she was january- and I'm
like winter yes, oh, um, butlisa did say that if you have
not read her before, don't startwith januaries, because it's a
(27:03):
bunch of short stories that shesays to either start with, like
atlas six or one for my enemy,but I think one for my enemy
it's witches and it's oh, it'sdefinitely one book where atlas
six is like several.
I think it's like a trilogythat's a series, oh yeah.
So I think like if you want todive into her, depending on how
(27:25):
you want to dive in, maybe startwith one for my enemy, or she
has like alone with you in theether, and I think that's like a
contemporary, like love story,no smut or very little smut or
something.
I have like all of her booksbecause Lisa has like made me
buy them, not like actually likeheld me at gunpoint, but like I
(27:49):
just buy them because she'slike obsessed with them.
Jordan (27:50):
You can be honest, you can say that she did.
Fabienne (27:53):
But I have yet to finish one of her books, like
I've gotten the farthest withone for my enemy.
But I literally own all of herbooks.
I just have yet to read any ofthem.
I will Well, you know, maybethat's the you have choice.
Jordan (28:05):
You have choice whenever you do.
We like choice, we like choice.
Fabienne (28:09):
We like variety.
Variety is no, life is no,variety is the spice of life.
Jordan (28:15):
Yeah, is that a?
Thing?
Oh, it is now, maybe not.
Fabienne (28:19):
Yeah.
Jordan (28:20):
I think it's a saying.
Fabienne (28:21):
I think it is a saying Maybe in the US, not anywhere
else.
Jordan (28:25):
Not here, not here.
No, okay, I have one and Ithink that might be.
I mean, if you're done withyour list, I think this might be
like a, because I also want totalk about the books that I'm
reading at the moment.
If that's okay, hit me.
And a book that's actually alsolike you know, I want to say
deals with winter, but thatsounds so stupid.
Like you know, like it takesplace in winter, in the first
(28:47):
half it's Anathema, by CarrieLake.
Ooh, like the first book in hernew fantastical series.
I'm not sure if it's going tobe a trilogy or a duet or a
series.
Actually, it's very heavy worldbuilding.
I am still reading it, but it'sa little bit tough at some
(29:11):
points to just actually getthrough, which is not something
I'm used to when it comes toKeri Lake, because I loved
Master of Salt and Bone no.
Fabienne (29:21):
I still label that.
No, I see I'm gothic.
Aw spooky phone.
No, I still label that.
No, I see I'm gothic, oh okay,okay, fair.
Jordan (29:33):
Okay, fuck the gothic.
I'm just, I'm just not going togive you any more gothic
recommendations than for thispart.
Um, but I like, I mean, I lovethe way that carrie writes.
It's not as creepy asNoctocadia, yeah, no, definitely
not.
Fabienne (29:50):
I want to love that book, so fucking bad.
Jordan (29:53):
I know, I know, girl, but sometimes like hey,
sometimes maybe this is likeyour.
What's it like?
Crown of Midnight?
Maybe it's your Crown ofMidnight for that Dylan guy, the
third book, the series Throneof Glass.
Is it Crown of Midnight?
Maybe it's your Crown ofMidnight for that Dylan guy, the
third book, the series Throneof Glass.
Is it not Crown of Midnight?
No, maybe like this is what'sdone, but close Bucket.
Oh, almost, am I.
(30:14):
People will come after me now,you are not a true fan.
Fabienne (30:19):
No, no, you're not, but yes I Wait.
No, you're not, but yes I wait.
We're coming back to Sarah JMaas.
I am also.
(30:39):
I just want to state, like,everybody will come after you if
you don't like her, just forgetabout that.
So I, you cannot come afterpeople for not liking her books
if you don't know all the booksshe's written.
Just putting that out there,mic, drop, snap fingers, um,
okay, and you can continue.
Have you ever watched Queer?
Jordan (30:57):
Eye.
Fabienne (30:59):
I love, I like what I've been.
I am managing.
For some reason, like you, likebeing Jonathan, like this, like
Johnny oh yes, I think when Ilike watched it only like three
seasons were out and I neverwent back to it.
Jordan (31:12):
But I love Queer Eye oh, I love it so much.
It's such like, it's such agood vibe, like good feel it's
like a good, like serious goodfeel.
Fabienne (31:19):
Yeah, a good feel good show, feel good, wow, that's so
hard words uh, no, but I boughtthe special edition of
nocticadia before I read it, sonow I just have this like
special edition, that I'm justlike you know, just catching
dust, collecting dust on theshelf I don't even know where it
is anymore because clearly I'vemoved, so it's somewhere it's
(31:45):
somewhere okay, sorry, nowcontinue with yeah, yeah, no no,
no, um, uh, I am also readingtoo many books because I can't
think of another single title.
Jordan (31:59):
Um, I actually read re.
Wait, do do like, do very, veryrecent reread counts, no right
yeah, oh yeah, yeah, well, I um,this is like, not somebody,
it's not like like, wow, it'snot like um, um, literary
fiction, it is well, it is.
It's like a collection ofessays by mary oliver, um
(32:22):
upstream, and it basicallytackles, like, um, how the
mundane is not mundane at all,but it's like it's suspiciously,
and in how do I say that?
Well, not necessarilysuspicious, but like it tries to
deceive.
(32:42):
To be seen, I'm explaining thisso poorly.
Anyways, I just read upstream.
It was really good.
I like it.
Yeah, I like it I like it soanathema, anathema okay well
reading that one fair.
Fabienne (32:58):
But so, like I mentioned it earlier, because I
want to talk about what I'mcurrently reading, too back and
forth.
Jordan (33:04):
Jesus, of course.
Fabienne (33:06):
Una Out of Order, which I'm almost done with.
I'm actually like doing thisbook club, that like, where I'm
going to like meet with themtomorrow.
Oh, so I have to have the bookfinished by tomorrow, but I also
go happy out of your book.
Jordan (33:20):
Wait, you're actually physically kind of going to go
there.
Yes, yes, I'm so excited Girl,I'm so proud of you because I
remember you talking to me abouthow you were like, so like
anxious, but also like excited.
Fabienne (33:31):
Oh, ok, that's a different one.
So now I have to.
I actually went to that one.
Ok, you know what I'm talkingabout.
That one there was only oneperson and it was me, and then
there was the people that workedthere.
But the people that work thereare so nice and so I just chat
with them for like two hours,but it was like so fun.
But this one is actually likethere's like 10 of us.
(33:52):
I went to the first one lastmonth and this is the second one
, which they decided on Una outof order.
But it's kind of nice becausethey like smutty books but like
they choose more of thetraditionally published books.
So it's like books I wouldn'tnecessarily pick up for myself,
like I never would have pickedup una out of order, but I'm
(34:12):
loving it.
And so this time, like we'regonna talk, we're gonna decide
based off of.
Have you seen the thing on umreels where it's like everybody
writes down on a piece of paperlike what they want to read, and
then you go through and aspeople pick it, like I'm not,
we're not gonna read.
Um, oh no, I have not seen this.
(34:33):
Oh, it's like so cool.
So it's like everybody likewrites it down and then you go
in order and then the last bookpicked is the book you read, so
like every, so you you couldhave multiples of the same book
because it's like what peoplewant to read.
So I have to decide what I'mgonna like bring on a piece of
paper.
But the thing is that I don'twant to go like super smutty
because like this is only likethe second time.
Jordan (34:55):
I'm like meeting with these people yeah, you don't
want to like show them yourfreak side.
No, I get that not yet not yet,yeah.
Fabienne (35:02):
So I need to figure out what book I want to like
suggest, which I think I'm goingto do.
What are we Kiss of theBasilisk God?
Oh my God, I would just die toknow.
How about Baby Rose guys?
Jordan (35:17):
How about Vibe by, you know, Lessa James?
Fabienne (35:21):
What do you think, guys?
What do you think?
Jordan (35:24):
Oh, my God.
Fabienne (35:25):
I think they'd be like out, you're kicked, out, you're
gone, goodbye, goodbye, sure.
Jordan (35:33):
This is your time out.
Go stand in the corner.
Fabienne (35:36):
Yeah.
Yeah so you know, yeah, so I'mso excited, but we're going to
like ease them into it.
Jordan (35:49):
Sorry, yeah, okay, wait, that's tomorrow.
Wait now, I'm confused.
I'm off track.
Now, when is this?
Yeah, tomorrow.
Because you need to finish itby tomorrow.
Oh, you are on it.
Yeah, but I do have theaudiobook, audiobook.
Fabienne (36:04):
so I'm gonna listen while at work and then, like I'm
gonna have like my drive, so II have like less than three
hours on like the audiobook fromlike where I am in the
paperback, so I know I'll beable to like finish it before
tomorrow.
But then I'm also I'm alsocurrently reading.
I just have those two.
This one is the Moon and HisTides by Gianna Darling.
(36:25):
I'm not too far.
I think I'm on like.
Well, actually I couldn't sleeplast night.
I woke up at like 1pm and Icouldn't fall back asleep, so I
pulled out my Kindle and readfor an hour and a half and then
was like I need to try to goback to sleep.
So I got farther than Wait 1 pmor 1 am, 1 am, and then I read
(36:48):
till 2.30 am.
So I'm only on.
I'm chapter eight, so I'm 25%in, but I'm actually really
liking it and Huh.
Jordan (36:59):
Yeah, and this is one of her more recent yeah, like this
one comes up, oh, I got the arc.
Yeah, so it actually comes outon the 23rd of january, which
depending?
Fabienne (37:13):
on when this episode comes out, it might already be
out awkward yeah, somewhere infebruary yeah, oops, what are
you currently reading?
What else?
Jordan (37:26):
I am reading a novella, paradise Rot, by Jenny Havall.
It's very postmodernistic, verylike structured and fragmented,
like sentence structures, likethe main character is just all
over the place.
It's very much contemporary,like fiction, and I have still
(37:48):
yet to decide what my thoughtsare on it.
I do like the writing style,like I'm very much like engaged
with it, if that makes sense,but I have no clue what I'm
actually like reading.
So it's interesting, so I haveyou know yet to see where it
goes.
So I'll give you my thoughtswhen I do finish it whenever I
like it.
(38:08):
I like it and I'm also trying toread a high fantasy, because
that's really not necessarilylike right up my alley.
But you know, with you knowthis being the new year, and I
want to read like um, as manyunknown authors to me like I
already said this, by the waybut also I want to read, out of
my comfort, genres and highfantasy, like, actually like
(38:30):
high high fantasy, like talk,lord of the Rings and Game of
Thrones.
It's not necessarily like mycup of tea, but I do want to try
it.
So I picked up the Vagrant byPeter Newman.
No idea what it's about.
I'm literally at page four orsomething Going strong, bob
going strong.
Bob going strong.
I know, I know.
So maybe there's a reason whyI'm reading so many books.
(38:52):
You know, like maybe all ofthese are just not for me, but
no, they're all gonna be for you.
You're gonna be like you'regonna love them hopefully so
yeah, those, those are my readsat the moment nice, I only have
those two, so hey, also goingstrong.
Fabienne (39:15):
I'd say yeah, thank you so much for listening and
please don't forget to rate andreview wherever you can find us
so catch you next time bye,wherever you can find us, so
catch you next time.
Bye.
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