September 15, 2025 • 34 mins
Have you ever noticed how silence can be the most powerful form of communication? In our deep dive into "Enigma" by RuNyx, we explore exactly how this plays out through the introspective protagonist Salem, whose quiet observation becomes her greatest weapon at mysterious Mortimer University.
This episode takes you on a journey through the misty corridors and secret societies of RuNyx's latest dark academia masterpiece. We unpack her distinctive literary style—how her background in English literature manifests in carefully crafted triplets of description and strategic alliteration that elevates the atmospheric "mist core" aesthetic permeating every page. What truly sets "Enigma" apart is its portrayal of obsession and desire. Salem and Caz's relationship begins with instant attraction but evolves into something far more complex—a mutual obsession where both characters exhibit jealousy and possessiveness, creating a refreshingly balanced dynamic rarely seen in the genre. By the epilogue, we witness how their dark beginning transforms into something that might actually resemble love.
Whether you're already a RuNyx devotee or considering diving into her atmospheric world for the first time, this episode offers valuable insights into what makes her writing so compelling. Join us as we celebrate the power of introspection, the allure of mystery, and the gothic charm that only Runix can deliver.
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Jordan (00:08):
welcome to the bookish hour with joran fab, and we are
live live.
Fabienne (00:20):
Is the mic picking this up like?
Jordan (00:21):
the.
I mean it was, but I don't knowwhat that is.
Fabienne (00:27):
I want to say it was from like a program, from like
back in a day, but that's onevery vague.
And two, my back in a day issomething else than your back in
a day, I think it was, so I'lljust ignore this.
I think it was from like a TVshow, like a kid show Time.
No, no, I think it was fromlike a TV show, like a kid's
show Tithe, da-da-da-da-da-da,da-da-da-da-da-da.
Jordan (00:48):
No, no, nothing, no, nothing, it's fine, it's fine,
it's fine, it's fine, it's fine,it's fine, it's fine, it's fine
.
Yeah, so are we going going topretend that we didn't just
(01:08):
speak for like almost an entirehour, or I feel like this is
bringing back to smutty dayswhere we, like, would chat
without inviting the recordingand then we'd be like oops, and
I feel like that's what this was.
But we had lots to chat aboutthat couldn't necessarily go on
the podcast and honestly, we'resorry.
We're not really sorry, butwe're sorry.
Fabienne (01:29):
The narrator semi-Colin.
She's not sorry at all.
No, we are not.
No, we are not.
Jordan (01:35):
Well, but then this is great, we can just dive in into
our book club pick.
Yes, and what did you sharewith?
Fabienne (01:43):
Oh Christ, I want to give the floor to you.
No, I want to give it to you,bob.
Okay, fine drawer.
No, okay, so we are talkingwouldn't it?
Jordan (01:55):
oh shit, your mic did not pick up any of that are you
seriously kidding me?
Yeah, if you could just tellthe people one more time enigma
by runix, did it pick it up yeahit did.
Fabienne (02:08):
Did it also pick up that very, very great like
enthusiasm or was it like thelack?
Yeah, okay, good, very fine.
Yeah, no, I am actually sohappy that we got another book
of hers like oh my gosh same.
I know that we had thisindicatoricator and that you
know it was like the end of anera, like these series just come
to like a full circle and butthis, just like I think this is
(02:32):
where her power really justshines these dark, gothic-esque,
dark academia books with atouch of mystery and just these
eerie vibes.
Um, give me, please, your firstif you can remember the entire
story, mind you.
Please give me the first likethoughts that you have on this
(02:54):
book, like just a short um hook,for example.
Like you know, what did youlike about it?
You?
Jordan (03:03):
give me yours first, okay fuck you.
Fabienne (03:07):
By the way, I wanted to give myself an app for this.
Um, okay, this was so typicallyrunix in all the best ways
imaginable yes agreed it hadlike her writing power, like
shiny, it had so much likeliterary undertones, like her
(03:33):
literary like devices, like withthe illiteracy now in the forms
.
It was funny because I startedhighlighting the Kindle edition
when it started to stand out tome that everything like her
descriptors most of the time,like, let's say, 95% of the time
in the book, they come inthrees, like it's someone, is
(03:57):
either something, something andsomething, or it's something
something, but then if it'stwice, then it's always
alliteration.
Did you notice this?
Oh, it's so fun because becausewe know that she, um, was like
a, an english lit, so it's funto see that she took that like
(04:21):
she took that academic careerthat she had before her right
but then superimpose that in away onto her actual writing and
I think that's so fun to read um, she has like actual skills but
also just like her storytellingit's her writing is just like
(04:50):
telling it's her writing is justlike unmatched.
Jordan (04:51):
Like unmatched I.
So I have like differentthoughts in the beginning.
Now I love this book fair, butI think it took me which is why
we had to push this back, basedoff me, because it took me a
while to get into.
Oh, but that was only because Iwas associating it with
gothicana too much, like, eventhough I know she told us
multiple times that this isn'tgoing to be like another
gothicana no, and not sayingthat as like a sequel, but like
(05:15):
it kind of gate like I, it hadlike the same vibes, as like
what I thought another gothicanawould be like, even though she
told us multiple times like no,this is dark academia, that is
gothic.
But like in my mind I'm like, oh, it's like another gothicana.
So I'm like I'm here foranother gothicana.
So, like in my head, as thebook is like, as I'm reading the
(05:38):
book, I'm like struggling withit because it's not another
gothicana.
So I almost had to like rewritemy brain, to like be like to
have this stand on its own.
But I think that's only becauseI love gothicana so much that
that that is like my like alltime like favorite book that it
(05:58):
did take me a minute to get intothis one Okay fair.
This one okay fair.
But I do love her writing andeverything that is like that it
is and I loved the like mysterypart of it and like trying to
figure out what's going on andlike all of that.
Fabienne (06:17):
But it definitely it's not another gothic con no, and
also, I think, the female maincharacter.
Okay, let's look at thecharacter stem, maybe first.
Um, because I don't want to dolike a like a comparative sort
of analysis here, but the fuck,what was her name?
Uh, corfina, right, yeah,corfina clem.
(06:38):
Like clem, yes, like she andsalem.
They could not be more differenttoo oh so different right and I
think that's also where andmaybe Rooney did this either on
purpose or just like you know,maybe like subconsciously too
that she wanted to writesomething so drastically
different while still stickingto this theme that she can write
(07:01):
so incredibly well.
Salem is, for example, moreintrospective, I want to say,
and I remember Corfina beingmore outgoing, even though being
very introverted, sincespeaking her mind, you know,
engaging in like conversationswith her friends, in, like, in
(07:22):
Veramore, like the university,but Salem is more introspective
yeah, and more of like a lonewolf, even though she did have
that like one friend, the twofriends, but she was still more
of a lone wolf, like looking outfor herself, taking care of
herself.
Jordan (07:41):
That's also like I think too, like with her relationship
with her mom and then likeeverything that happened with,
like, her sister and father yeah, I do love that.
Fabienne (07:52):
By the way, it was a very original story.
Oh, yeah, I will.
I will say, though, that theobviously we're going to go like
back and forth, you know like.
You know how we don't tellstories like like in a linear
way, especially when we're doinglike the book club episodes, um
, but at the end, when it'srevealed that there is like this
cult, you know like ongoing andcas and god, I don't even
(08:15):
remember like his name, um, uh,the other guy that, like salem's
friend, who works at like thebar or like the cafe, it starts
with like a, b, I want to say Ihave no idea.
Bastion no, not Bastion no.
Why do I only remember like,honestly, also, props to me for
(08:39):
still remembering like any name,because it's been a hot minute
since we read it, you know so itreally has, it really has.
But I'm like, oh, I don't okaystupid, you know like no, no, no
, don't be sorry girl, but thething is what I wanted to say,
like at the end, with cold, itkind of reminded me of master of
salt and bones by carrie lake.
Oh, like with the very you youknow, erotic initiation part,
(09:05):
like with the rituals, and likethe drugs that you know come
into play.
I want to say maybe evenNoctocondia too.
But you haven't finished thatbook because of reasons, yes,
reasons, yes, believe it atreasons, yes, um, but I, I felt
like, um, like I, I thought thatthey um kind of gave off the
(09:29):
same vibe, you know, like, withum.
Jordan (09:35):
I know too, like runic said, that someone told her that
this is very missed core codedand I was like yes, all the like
coded.
Fabienne (09:45):
What is this?
Jordan (09:46):
so like, because it's very like, um, like misty, it's
just like gloomy, oh, um, solike mist core.
Yeah, and I love this right.
I was like, oh my gosh, it is,and I, I do like the, I did like
the aspect of like there isthis like secret society, but in
the end, there was two of them,so one didn't get invited, and
(10:09):
so there was definitely a lot ofanswers in this one, which I
really enjoyed and I lovedfinding everything out about
that.
Fabienne (10:24):
Did you also notice that one chapter was also
written from an unknownperspective?
Jordan (10:28):
yes, I was gonna say that do we think?
That's like still wait.
Fabienne (10:36):
Do we think that wait?
Who do you think it would wait?
Wait what?
Who do you think it?
Jordan (10:40):
was university's perspective perspective.
Fabienne (10:44):
I thought maybe it was this professor, like the one
that you trusted in thebeginning Maybe.
That was my instinct.
That was like my first.
Jordan (10:57):
I don't think I like, really had like a first instinct
.
I think I was just looking atit as this is my thing is I was
comparing it to Gothicana, so Iwas like oh, is it like another
university perspective?
Fabienne (11:11):
Then she shouldn't have put in like an unknown
chapter, because obviouslypeople are going to like compare
it to gothicana.
Jordan (11:17):
Yeah, but that's like she's told us so many times.
Like it is not anothergothicana, this is not a
gothicana, this is completelydifferent.
So like, even though the amountof time she has told me this,
I'm still like gothicana, is it?
Fabienne (11:33):
and I'm like ah oh no, I I genuinely did love it and I
kind of also really like how.
I want to just come back tothis because it really stood out
to me how salem was.
So at most and I know that I amlike a broken record in that
sense but she was really likevery inner, focused right, and I
think, especially in her world,obviously like fiction right,
(11:58):
but in her world, like atMortimer and like you know with
well, not necessarily oppressivebut you know, pretty much
disapproving, when she was likea child.
And then all of these other men, like at the cult, the
oppression of men in stories,and when women don't have a
voice it is seen as a lack ofpower.
(12:19):
But I think in Salem's case itis like her actual power, like
she weaponizes this sense ofobservation that she really used
most of the time, like when shecame first down into the second
chapter when she found his body, like at the beach, and then
cast was behind her.
Um, she doesn't say anythinglike in that entire chapter, she
(12:42):
doesn't him, she's just likelooking at him and just like
move out of the way.
Really, obviously we see likeCass's perspective on this as
well and you know like it's toldfrom like a first person
perspective the entire book.
But, um, I like how her notspeaking or like not, you know,
like engaging in a dialogue isnot necessarily seen as her
(13:06):
being um, how do you say that?
Um like small or like um notcapable?
I'm really poorly explainingthis.
I'm so sorry, um, but I'm justtrying to say that her not
speaking is her way of, I guessyou know, taking back her own
(13:26):
power.
Does that make sense?
Jordan (13:27):
no, it does in a very, very.
Fabienne (13:31):
You know very complicated way of saying that.
I really liked how little shespoke in the book, but just
saying so much still yes.
Jordan (13:43):
So it's like everything she said had meaning and had a
point to it, which was I do.
I do have to say like that was.
I did enjoy that too, and Ithink it's kind of neat too,
because I feel like when I'veread other things where there's
not a lot of dialogue, it almostis you can tell there's not a
(14:04):
lot of dialogue and it's justkind of like frustrating,
because I'm like I don't I likewant some communication, but
here it's like you didn'tnecessarily notice that there
was no like she, unless youreally it didn't read in a way
that was like, okay, I wishthere was more dialogue.
Fabienne (14:20):
You, I liked the character that Salem was, and if
she talked more it just likewouldn't fit her character
precisely and I think alsoprecisely in like a genre, like
you know, obviously there's likea side sub-genre of romance,
but especially in a genre where,like few women, characters are
just um, um, expected to.
(14:43):
I guess what's the word likeexternalize emotion?
Um, salem does the exactopposite.
So like her silence kind oflike very cliche this but like
her silence speaks louder thanwords, you know, and I think it
brings her this sense of I don'tknow autonomy in a way, and
really appreciated how Runixmade that happen and like work
(15:07):
as well in in the book.
I just wanted to like emphasison that because that, or like
emphasize on that, becausethat's the one that really like
stood out to me and I don't know.
Jordan (15:18):
I just really like how she did it.
Fabienne (15:20):
No, I, yeah, I don't think the rest of the book was
also really good but it was sogood.
Jordan (15:27):
I actually I really liked how they were like both
jealous and possessive, becauseI feel like most of the time you
just see it from like the malemain character's perspective,
and I really liked that you alsogot it from her perspective too
, like she was like possessiveand jealous too.
Yeah, so I like that follow-upquestion.
Fabienne (15:49):
Um, now, we do know, like remember when, uh, we
talked about like tropes as aselling point in books?
Now, obviously that is here.
Like that's not the case hereat all.
But I do want to talk abouttropes, though, because we have
like insta love, we have instalust, we have obsession, we have
, you know, soulmates andwhatnot in terms of all these
(16:10):
things.
Um, would you say that thestory between kaz and like salem
is a story of desire or likedependency?
Jordan (16:25):
what do you?
What?
What do you mean?
Fabienne (16:28):
no, well, because they kind of, are, like insta,
obsessed with one another.
Right, so it says, but theyalso like, um how do I say this
in english?
They like they, um, uh, theycomplement each other so well in
their obsession, in like, theirinterest, in, like, you know,
(16:48):
whatever they do, like studywise, you know, like your
assistant her being a studentthere um, like the like, their
drive.
As like characters in this book, would you say that their story
is more than one of actual loveeventually, or is it more of a
(17:09):
codependency?
I don't.
I'm trying to think of likecritical questions to.
I wanted to try somethingdifferent.
Jordan (17:18):
It's not working, I see no, I, I or maybe no, I like
these questions.
I think if I understood them.
I think so like, because Iwouldn't say I don't know if
this is like what you're asking.
Fabienne (17:35):
Okay, but like I wouldn't raise a question, would
you say this is a story aboutlust or love in the most
simplest terms.
Jordan (17:45):
well, I do think, what if it's neither?
What if it's obsession?
Because I do think there is alevel of them being obsessed
with each other be, and I thinkkaz proves that because of the
(18:06):
times where she might be talkingto somebody and he comes over
and like, just like kisses herlike an obsession and like, I
guess, possession in the sensethat like she's mine, but then I
do really enjoy that there isthat ending.
So then you see the love at theend.
I actually really enjoyed theepilogue here, which I don't
know if you read it.
Fabienne (18:27):
I actually did.
Jordan (18:29):
Okay.
So it's like good.
So the years later, and he'sthere while she's like seeing
the body and in that moment youfeel the love that they have.
But yeah, I think the wholestory leading up to it, you see,
mostly I think like obsession,like they're both obsessed with
(18:52):
each other and which is finebecause, like I think you grow
into a sense of like love andlike belonging and that like
makes sense and I enjoyed tolike it's like over like the
course of like x amount of liketime too, and like there are two
like.
I think the other part is islike kaz.
(19:14):
Like there is that like levelof insta lust, but kaz knew he
couldn't be with her because oflike this secret society and
like and her like her sister andlike her dad being part of this
secret society.
So I think there was just likea level of like he could not be
with Salem even if he wanted tobe.
(19:36):
So I think it, but like that,like the obsession, like was
stronger and he was like no, I'mgoing to be with her.
Fabienne (19:52):
I agree enough said enough said do you think the
whole story has been told?
Not specific, I'm not talkingspecifically about Salem and
Cass.
I just mean like with thisbrotherhood of sorts that's
(20:13):
being, you know, that's beinglike dissolved is not the right
word, but you know, likedismantled from within.
But then also just like thelegacy of Mortimer.
Do you think another storycould be told?
Jordan (20:26):
potentially I think so, but is she going to tell it?
I don't know.
Potentially I think so, but isshe going to tell it?
I don't know.
Like because I know people wereasking for her friend's sister
and that guy and Runix was liketheir story's complete, like
what you got within Salem andKaz is like that's their story,
like there is no more of theirstory, which I appreciate
(20:47):
because I can see people like it.
Almost it wouldn't be a Runixstory if she did that, like if
she told another story fromMortimer Mortimer.
Like I don't think I can't seeher doing that.
Fabienne (21:02):
No, yeah, maybe not.
I do, maybe maybe notEspecially.
Yeah, wait, I'm just thinkingout loud now.
Maybe she comes back toMortimer like in another book.
Jordan (21:19):
You know, I mean, she did tackle, like Tenebrae, the
town, so it's like everythingit's in the same universe and I
think that's really cool yeah Ithink we would get more of a
connection when kinetic comesout.
If it does come out.
I'm not sure if, like, we knowlike one way or the other, if
(21:40):
she's like decided or not, um,but I think there's like a big
connection from that book intenebrae and I think that just
like confirms it's all the sameuniverse well, I mean, I think
at this point we kind of have to.
Fabienne (21:58):
It's not weird to assume that everything is like
one universe, like right, yeah,that's true writing yeah, so
you're not wrong no, I'm not.
I don't know why I paused andthat was very dramatic.
Jordan (22:13):
I know I was like oh boy okay uh, is she mad?
Fabienne (22:18):
no, am I wrong?
No, I'm not.
Did you have the paper like?
Did you buy the paperback?
Jordan (22:23):
I bought the hardcover but I actually waited because
then it was on kindle unlimited,so I just got it from Kindle
Unlimited.
But I did get the hardcoverlike the day of release, but
then the print is so tiny on thehardcover that I was like let
me get the Kindle, just.
Oh wait, I mean it's reallypretty though.
It's like really pretty likefont, especially like the first
(22:46):
letter and stuff.
But I was like I can't readthis.
So it was just like trophy stuffyou know like, put it on your
shelf, display it on the shelf.
I'm gonna leave it there andthen.
But I was lucky because, like,it wasn't on kindle limited for
a while, but I think it is nowbecause it's still on my phone.
Granted, it could not beanymore, and then once I un-down
(23:09):
, download it, it will go away.
Fabienne (23:11):
So I don't actually know, oh don't, who cares I was
honestly, I was like looking forthe paperback because you know
how the uk is, like a differentprint.
Like you have the us, the uk,and like the commonwealth, I
always figured that you know thenetherlands is obviously it's
not part of the uk and thecommonwealth let's, let's, but
(23:31):
like get that out first.
But technically speaking, with,like publication wise, the west
eu yeah so I was looking, Idon't have the paperback yet
like I was looking like at thelike, the like.
The day of release, I you know,I looked everywhere.
And then a week later, lookedeverywhere.
I even girl.
I was in dublin when I wasreading this book.
(23:52):
Mind you, I looked in dublin.
Who's not there?
Why?
So I only have, like the kidgirl.
I don't know, that's lame, Iwait, I wait, I wish I did.
You know, I still haven't.
I'm just now holding gothichonor, just you know,
consolation prize.
But that's all you get, that'sall I get, um, but no, I still
(24:13):
have to get the paperback, whichI will eventually because, like
I said whatever you can stuff,yeah, yeah but it's still not
out here for some weird reason.
So I'm kind of bummed by thatand I do kind of like the
paperback better than thehardback.
I do have to admit that likethe UK paperback.
Jordan (24:30):
Yeah, I love paperbacks.
Man fair, I do too.
I do too.
I still not to bring it back togothic honor or anything.
I do love the indecision ofgothic so much oh my god, yes.
Fabienne (24:50):
I can't find it right now.
So much, oh my god.
Yes, I can't find it right now.
Oh, yes, you have the.
Jordan (24:57):
Indian edition yes, I do Honestly.
Fabienne (25:02):
I think that would be worth some money right now.
No kidding.
Jordan (25:06):
Well, maybe you gonna spell it, it could be no you
can't I usually?
Fabienne (25:10):
Who knows it could be?
Of course not, no.
Jordan (25:12):
You can't, I usually go on Pango and I'll look up the
title and see Gothicana oh,there's 302.
And then I go through and I'mlike, okay, is there any indie
editions?
Fabienne (25:30):
Wait.
I'm sorry, what is what is 302?
Oh, like the amount, yeah, likedollars oh, no, no, the amount
of listings.
Jordan (25:37):
But it doesn't look like there's any self-published.
They're all like thetraditionally published
gothicana, so they're like fivedollars.
But with that many listings noone's gonna buy it.
You're better off just likegiving it to like a free little
library.
But there's definitely no indieeditions in here.
(25:58):
But like I wouldn't sell my oh,there's an indie edition.
It's only listed as 15 dollars15.
Fabienne (26:06):
Some people really don't know what something is
worth.
Jordan (26:09):
No, but granted.
No one's bought it, so maybethey just don't understand that
that's gold right there, fair,fair, fair.
Fabienne (26:18):
Oh wait, sorry, Circling back.
Wow, I am really Sometimesbecause things just like don't
hit me.
As soon as someone says it, Isay it.
But I actually wanted to builda tiny library and place it like
behind a fence, like in thebackyard, you should, that's
what I wanted.
Jordan (26:39):
But why?
Fabienne (26:43):
He's like because we have so many little kids in a
neighborhood and you know, ifyou don't like, lock it, because
that goes against the entirepurpose of a tiny library.
You don't know what folks willdo.
The kids are just like yeah,but the kids are like little
rascals.
Jordan (27:00):
Jordan, I'm not going to put it to read Wait what are
you not going to put it?
Cut you off.
Dark romance that is a goodpoint.
Fabienne (27:08):
You definitely don't want to do that.
I do For a kid, for five.
You know I can't Okay.
Jordan (27:14):
I do.
That is a good point.
That is a good point.
Um, there is a free littlelibrary in my town in the park
and I definitely drop off smuttybooks in there.
But you know the moms aretaking cause every I last summer
I would go every week and Iwould drop off like a handful of
books and the next week I wouldcome and all of them would be
(27:36):
gone.
Like you know, those moms weretaking those smutty books and
they were like yes, and I waslike yes, they're just like
spying that tiny library forsomeone new to bring it in, or
like for someone in to bring newbooks.
Fabienne (27:52):
Swap that.
Um, honestly, girl, you shouldfilm that secretly.
You know, do like a little offat a distance.
You walk up to the library andthen just set up like a hidden
camera to see whatever picks itup watch them all be, these
children being like mom.
Jordan (28:09):
What's squirting?
Like what?
Fabienne (28:15):
I have a have a good time explaining that to your kid
of five.
Yeah, it'd be a great time.
Great time it's when it's whenyou spill a bottle of milk honey
on the table, but then foradults adults it's adult milk.
Jordan (28:31):
Sorry, oh my god, Then they're traumatized.
Happens to the best of us guys.
Fabienne (28:42):
It does, it really does.
You know, trauma makes youfunnier, is what they say.
Jordan (28:47):
Isn't that how the saying goes?
Maybe I've never heard that,but like I feel, like I agree
it's a coping mechanism, jordan.
Fabienne (28:56):
Yep you, you were a coping mechanism anyways.
So yeah, enigma was really good, um I just like I'm so happy.
Jordan (29:06):
I I'm so happy we got like another runix book and
she's like back in her writinggroove.
I'm so excited for everythingthat's coming.
I literally can't wait for thefirebird yeah so freaking much.
I'm so excited for that and I'mlike secretly excited that
because she mentioned that atthe beginning of the year and
she was like but I have to gothrough some like contractual
(29:28):
obligations first.
But now that Enigma is out, I'mlike is the Firebird coming?
Is the Firebird coming?
Fabienne (29:37):
The.
Firebird Just give us answers.
Answers, please, please, please.
Jordan (29:40):
Probably yesterday.
Yeah, yeah.
So I can't wait for that one, Iwant that one.
Fabienne (29:47):
Do you want to place a bet?
Ooh, what's this bet, you say?
You say, well, it's somethingthat we lie in um I'm actually
in one right now lucky you?
Um, no, I just you know if,well, obviously we're betting
(30:08):
for books, obviously you know Iget you something of your wish
list, and so you say you thinkit's Firebird.
If you're right, I'm going toget you something of your wish
list, and if it's not, what doyou mean?
Jordan (30:22):
We know it's Firebird.
Do we know it's Firebird?
Fabienne (30:26):
Or do we know it's kinetic?
Jordan (30:28):
Oh no, we know it's Firebird Fuck.
Fabienne (30:31):
Keep up.
Well then, there's no bet.
I mean, why would we play?
Jordan (30:34):
the bet, if you obviously know it yet.
Oh yeah, I didn't know if youwere trying to bet on, like when
it's coming out.
Fabienne (30:41):
Oh, no See, I'm slow sometimes.
I really am, it's okay.
Jordan (30:51):
This is why I'm here.
I keep you up to date.
But no, we know Firebird's next.
We just don't know when.
We just don't know when.
Fabienne (30:56):
No, I'm not going to gamble on time frames.
Jordan (30:58):
I've been there, done that with authors.
Yeah, we're just going towhenever it's going to be a live
release.
So whenever she wants torelease it, we're getting it.
Fabienne (31:07):
So it's going to be this year, though I'll take it.
Jordan (31:14):
I'll take it Right.
Fabienne (31:19):
I wanted to say one more thing about Enigma.
Jordan (31:24):
Okay.
Fabienne (31:29):
Give it to me I'm making it sound so dramatic, but
it's just like me thinkingreally how I'm going to phrase
this.
When the Syndicator came out,obviously it was the end of an
era.
It was her first book aftereverything that's happened to
her, like with her family, but Ikind of I don't think love is
the right word here, but I doappreciate how she's become her,
(31:50):
like her whole full self again.
With enigma you can see likeher, actually like her writing,
shining see, here I come againwith like the shining through
god.
It's like stop word, um.
But the syndicator was sodifferent, like in terms of her
writing, you know, like in termsof like her coping, like you
know, with everything that'shappened, um, and enigma is just
(32:11):
like her own full story and asyndicator was just.
I have to get this out.
I have to finish this series.
Jordan (32:17):
I have to, you know, give closure to this storyline,
to these characters um, I thinkI think the thing too with the
syndicator is I think she had itfully finished, but then
everything happened and I thinkshe just went back and rewrote
it like multiple times, and Ithink that she just yeah, yeah,
(32:42):
I guess what I'm trying to say,like you're in and shine like a
positive light on it, is thatEnigma is, like you, know where
her true power lies, to likethese, these dark, gothic-esque
tales.
So freaking good.
Fabienne (32:54):
And I just love to see how good this one was.
That's all I'll say it was sogood it was so good.
Jordan (33:00):
And I know too, like I didn't have that much to say,
but I feel like this was also onme, because if I would have
finished it on time, I wouldhave been like fully I just like
don't really remember it Likewe finished it like in the
beginning of May, or I finishedit in the beginning of May, so
then, I like struggle with, liketrying to remember Girl life be
(33:22):
lifing.
Fabienne (33:22):
You know we have day jobs, we you know we have life,
it doesn't help for the podcast.
That's true.
Okay, fair, I'm going to letyou have this miserable
self-indulgent moment.
Sure, thank you.
It's your fault, it's all yourfault.
Jordan (33:40):
Thank you, it's okay Next time.
Yeah, thank you, then next timefor the fire burn.
Because, we'd be doing a buddyread for that.
Fabienne (33:50):
Oh, obviously Obviously Duh.
So.
Jordan (33:55):
I'll do better next time .
Fabienne (33:56):
Okay, I'll do better next time too.
Just you know just Well.
You were on time, I just wasn'ton time.
Thank you so much for listening.
Jordan (34:03):
And please don't forget to rate and review wherever you
can find us.
So catch you next time.
Bye.
welcome to the bookish hour with joran fab, and we are
live live.
Fabienne (00:20):
Is the mic picking this up like?
Jordan (00:21):
the.
I mean it was, but I don't knowwhat that is.
Fabienne (00:27):
I want to say it was from like a program, from like
back in a day, but that's onevery vague.
And two, my back in a day issomething else than your back in
a day, I think it was, so I'lljust ignore this.
I think it was from like a TVshow, like a kid show Time.
No, no, I think it was fromlike a TV show, like a kid's
show Tithe, da-da-da-da-da-da,da-da-da-da-da-da.
Jordan (00:48):
No, no, nothing, no, nothing, it's fine, it's fine,
it's fine, it's fine, it's fine,it's fine, it's fine, it's fine
.
Yeah, so are we going going topretend that we didn't just
(01:08):
speak for like almost an entirehour, or I feel like this is
bringing back to smutty dayswhere we, like, would chat
without inviting the recordingand then we'd be like oops, and
I feel like that's what this was.
But we had lots to chat aboutthat couldn't necessarily go on
the podcast and honestly, we'resorry.
We're not really sorry, butwe're sorry.
Fabienne (01:29):
The narrator semi-Colin.
She's not sorry at all.
No, we are not.
No, we are not.
Jordan (01:35):
Well, but then this is great, we can just dive in into
our book club pick.
Yes, and what did you sharewith?
Fabienne (01:43):
Oh Christ, I want to give the floor to you.
No, I want to give it to you,bob.
Okay, fine drawer.
No, okay, so we are talkingwouldn't it?
Jordan (01:55):
oh shit, your mic did not pick up any of that are you
seriously kidding me?
Yeah, if you could just tellthe people one more time enigma
by runix, did it pick it up yeahit did.
Fabienne (02:08):
Did it also pick up that very, very great like
enthusiasm or was it like thelack?
Yeah, okay, good, very fine.
Yeah, no, I am actually sohappy that we got another book
of hers like oh my gosh same.
I know that we had thisindicatoricator and that you
know it was like the end of anera, like these series just come
to like a full circle and butthis, just like I think this is
(02:32):
where her power really justshines these dark, gothic-esque,
dark academia books with atouch of mystery and just these
eerie vibes.
Um, give me, please, your firstif you can remember the entire
story, mind you.
Please give me the first likethoughts that you have on this
(02:54):
book, like just a short um hook,for example.
Like you know, what did youlike about it?
You?
Jordan (03:03):
give me yours first, okay fuck you.
Fabienne (03:07):
By the way, I wanted to give myself an app for this.
Um, okay, this was so typicallyrunix in all the best ways
imaginable yes agreed it hadlike her writing power, like
shiny, it had so much likeliterary undertones, like her
(03:33):
literary like devices, like withthe illiteracy now in the forms
.
It was funny because I startedhighlighting the Kindle edition
when it started to stand out tome that everything like her
descriptors most of the time,like, let's say, 95% of the time
in the book, they come inthrees, like it's someone, is
(03:57):
either something, something andsomething, or it's something
something, but then if it'stwice, then it's always
alliteration.
Did you notice this?
Oh, it's so fun because becausewe know that she, um, was like
a, an english lit, so it's funto see that she took that like
(04:21):
she took that academic careerthat she had before her right
but then superimpose that in away onto her actual writing and
I think that's so fun to read um, she has like actual skills but
also just like her storytellingit's her writing is just like
(04:50):
telling it's her writing is justlike unmatched.
Jordan (04:51):
Like unmatched I.
So I have like differentthoughts in the beginning.
Now I love this book fair, butI think it took me which is why
we had to push this back, basedoff me, because it took me a
while to get into.
Oh, but that was only because Iwas associating it with
gothicana too much, like, eventhough I know she told us
multiple times that this isn'tgoing to be like another
gothicana no, and not sayingthat as like a sequel, but like
(05:15):
it kind of gate like I, it hadlike the same vibes, as like
what I thought another gothicanawould be like, even though she
told us multiple times like no,this is dark academia, that is
gothic.
But like in my mind I'm like, oh, it's like another gothicana.
So I'm like I'm here foranother gothicana.
So, like in my head, as thebook is like, as I'm reading the
(05:38):
book, I'm like struggling withit because it's not another
gothicana.
So I almost had to like rewritemy brain, to like be like to
have this stand on its own.
But I think that's only becauseI love gothicana so much that
that that is like my like alltime like favorite book that it
(05:58):
did take me a minute to get intothis one Okay fair.
This one okay fair.
But I do love her writing andeverything that is like that it
is and I loved the like mysterypart of it and like trying to
figure out what's going on andlike all of that.
Fabienne (06:17):
But it definitely it's not another gothic con no, and
also, I think, the female maincharacter.
Okay, let's look at thecharacter stem, maybe first.
Um, because I don't want to dolike a like a comparative sort
of analysis here, but the fuck,what was her name?
Uh, corfina, right, yeah,corfina clem.
(06:38):
Like clem, yes, like she andsalem.
They could not be more differenttoo oh so different right and I
think that's also where andmaybe Rooney did this either on
purpose or just like you know,maybe like subconsciously too
that she wanted to writesomething so drastically
different while still stickingto this theme that she can write
(07:01):
so incredibly well.
Salem is, for example, moreintrospective, I want to say,
and I remember Corfina beingmore outgoing, even though being
very introverted, sincespeaking her mind, you know,
engaging in like conversationswith her friends, in, like, in
(07:22):
Veramore, like the university,but Salem is more introspective
yeah, and more of like a lonewolf, even though she did have
that like one friend, the twofriends, but she was still more
of a lone wolf, like looking outfor herself, taking care of
herself.
Jordan (07:41):
That's also like I think too, like with her relationship
with her mom and then likeeverything that happened with,
like, her sister and father yeah, I do love that.
Fabienne (07:52):
By the way, it was a very original story.
Oh, yeah, I will.
I will say, though, that theobviously we're going to go like
back and forth, you know like.
You know how we don't tellstories like like in a linear
way, especially when we're doinglike the book club episodes, um
, but at the end, when it'srevealed that there is like this
cult, you know like ongoing andcas and god, I don't even
(08:15):
remember like his name, um, uh,the other guy that, like salem's
friend, who works at like thebar or like the cafe, it starts
with like a, b, I want to say Ihave no idea.
Bastion no, not Bastion no.
Why do I only remember like,honestly, also, props to me for
(08:39):
still remembering like any name,because it's been a hot minute
since we read it, you know so itreally has, it really has.
But I'm like, oh, I don't okaystupid, you know like no, no, no
, don't be sorry girl, but thething is what I wanted to say,
like at the end, with cold, itkind of reminded me of master of
salt and bones by carrie lake.
Oh, like with the very you youknow, erotic initiation part,
(09:05):
like with the rituals, and likethe drugs that you know come
into play.
I want to say maybe evenNoctocondia too.
But you haven't finished thatbook because of reasons, yes,
reasons, yes, believe it atreasons, yes, um, but I, I felt
like, um, like I, I thought thatthey um kind of gave off the
(09:29):
same vibe, you know, like, withum.
Jordan (09:35):
I know too, like runic said, that someone told her that
this is very missed core codedand I was like yes, all the like
coded.
Fabienne (09:45):
What is this?
Jordan (09:46):
so like, because it's very like, um, like misty, it's
just like gloomy, oh, um, solike mist core.
Yeah, and I love this right.
I was like, oh my gosh, it is,and I, I do like the, I did like
the aspect of like there isthis like secret society, but in
the end, there was two of them,so one didn't get invited, and
(10:09):
so there was definitely a lot ofanswers in this one, which I
really enjoyed and I lovedfinding everything out about
that.
Fabienne (10:24):
Did you also notice that one chapter was also
written from an unknownperspective?
Jordan (10:28):
yes, I was gonna say that do we think?
That's like still wait.
Fabienne (10:36):
Do we think that wait?
Who do you think it would wait?
Wait what?
Who do you think it?
Jordan (10:40):
was university's perspective perspective.
Fabienne (10:44):
I thought maybe it was this professor, like the one
that you trusted in thebeginning Maybe.
That was my instinct.
That was like my first.
Jordan (10:57):
I don't think I like, really had like a first instinct
.
I think I was just looking atit as this is my thing is I was
comparing it to Gothicana, so Iwas like oh, is it like another
university perspective?
Fabienne (11:11):
Then she shouldn't have put in like an unknown
chapter, because obviouslypeople are going to like compare
it to gothicana.
Jordan (11:17):
Yeah, but that's like she's told us so many times.
Like it is not anothergothicana, this is not a
gothicana, this is completelydifferent.
So like, even though the amountof time she has told me this,
I'm still like gothicana, is it?
Fabienne (11:33):
and I'm like ah oh no, I I genuinely did love it and I
kind of also really like how.
I want to just come back tothis because it really stood out
to me how salem was.
So at most and I know that I amlike a broken record in that
sense but she was really likevery inner, focused right, and I
think, especially in her world,obviously like fiction right,
(11:58):
but in her world, like atMortimer and like you know with
well, not necessarily oppressivebut you know, pretty much
disapproving, when she was likea child.
And then all of these other men, like at the cult, the
oppression of men in stories,and when women don't have a
voice it is seen as a lack ofpower.
(12:19):
But I think in Salem's case itis like her actual power, like
she weaponizes this sense ofobservation that she really used
most of the time, like when shecame first down into the second
chapter when she found his body, like at the beach, and then
cast was behind her.
Um, she doesn't say anythinglike in that entire chapter, she
(12:42):
doesn't him, she's just likelooking at him and just like
move out of the way.
Really, obviously we see likeCass's perspective on this as
well and you know like it's toldfrom like a first person
perspective the entire book.
But, um, I like how her notspeaking or like not, you know,
like engaging in a dialogue isnot necessarily seen as her
(13:06):
being um, how do you say that?
Um like small or like um notcapable?
I'm really poorly explainingthis.
I'm so sorry, um, but I'm justtrying to say that her not
speaking is her way of, I guessyou know, taking back her own
(13:26):
power.
Does that make sense?
Jordan (13:27):
no, it does in a very, very.
Fabienne (13:31):
You know very complicated way of saying that.
I really liked how little shespoke in the book, but just
saying so much still yes.
Jordan (13:43):
So it's like everything she said had meaning and had a
point to it, which was I do.
I do have to say like that was.
I did enjoy that too, and Ithink it's kind of neat too,
because I feel like when I'veread other things where there's
not a lot of dialogue, it almostis you can tell there's not a
(14:04):
lot of dialogue and it's justkind of like frustrating,
because I'm like I don't I likewant some communication, but
here it's like you didn'tnecessarily notice that there
was no like she, unless youreally it didn't read in a way
that was like, okay, I wishthere was more dialogue.
Fabienne (14:20):
You, I liked the character that Salem was, and if
she talked more it just likewouldn't fit her character
precisely and I think alsoprecisely in like a genre, like
you know, obviously there's likea side sub-genre of romance,
but especially in a genre where,like few women, characters are
just um, um, expected to.
(14:43):
I guess what's the word likeexternalize emotion?
Um, salem does the exactopposite.
So like her silence kind oflike very cliche this but like
her silence speaks louder thanwords, you know, and I think it
brings her this sense of I don'tknow autonomy in a way, and
really appreciated how Runixmade that happen and like work
(15:07):
as well in in the book.
I just wanted to like emphasison that because that, or like
emphasize on that, becausethat's the one that really like
stood out to me and I don't know.
Jordan (15:18):
I just really like how she did it.
Fabienne (15:20):
No, I, yeah, I don't think the rest of the book was
also really good but it was sogood.
Jordan (15:27):
I actually I really liked how they were like both
jealous and possessive, becauseI feel like most of the time you
just see it from like the malemain character's perspective,
and I really liked that you alsogot it from her perspective too
, like she was like possessiveand jealous too.
Yeah, so I like that follow-upquestion.
Fabienne (15:49):
Um, now, we do know, like remember when, uh, we
talked about like tropes as aselling point in books?
Now, obviously that is here.
Like that's not the case hereat all.
But I do want to talk abouttropes, though, because we have
like insta love, we have instalust, we have obsession, we have
, you know, soulmates andwhatnot in terms of all these
(16:10):
things.
Um, would you say that thestory between kaz and like salem
is a story of desire or likedependency?
Jordan (16:25):
what do you?
What?
What do you mean?
Fabienne (16:28):
no, well, because they kind of, are, like insta,
obsessed with one another.
Right, so it says, but theyalso like, um how do I say this
in english?
They like they, um, uh, theycomplement each other so well in
their obsession, in like, theirinterest, in, like, you know,
(16:48):
whatever they do, like studywise, you know, like your
assistant her being a studentthere um, like the like, their
drive.
As like characters in this book, would you say that their story
is more than one of actual loveeventually, or is it more of a
(17:09):
codependency?
I don't.
I'm trying to think of likecritical questions to.
I wanted to try somethingdifferent.
Jordan (17:18):
It's not working, I see no, I, I or maybe no, I like
these questions.
I think if I understood them.
I think so like, because Iwouldn't say I don't know if
this is like what you're asking.
Fabienne (17:35):
Okay, but like I wouldn't raise a question, would
you say this is a story aboutlust or love in the most
simplest terms.
Jordan (17:45):
well, I do think, what if it's neither?
What if it's obsession?
Because I do think there is alevel of them being obsessed
with each other be, and I thinkkaz proves that because of the
(18:06):
times where she might be talkingto somebody and he comes over
and like, just like kisses herlike an obsession and like, I
guess, possession in the sensethat like she's mine, but then I
do really enjoy that there isthat ending.
So then you see the love at theend.
I actually really enjoyed theepilogue here, which I don't
know if you read it.
Fabienne (18:27):
I actually did.
Jordan (18:29):
Okay.
So it's like good.
So the years later, and he'sthere while she's like seeing
the body and in that moment youfeel the love that they have.
But yeah, I think the wholestory leading up to it, you see,
mostly I think like obsession,like they're both obsessed with
(18:52):
each other and which is finebecause, like I think you grow
into a sense of like love andlike belonging and that like
makes sense and I enjoyed tolike it's like over like the
course of like x amount of liketime too, and like there are two
like.
I think the other part is islike kaz.
(19:14):
Like there is that like levelof insta lust, but kaz knew he
couldn't be with her because oflike this secret society and
like and her like her sister andlike her dad being part of this
secret society.
So I think there was just likea level of like he could not be
with Salem even if he wanted tobe.
(19:36):
So I think it, but like that,like the obsession, like was
stronger and he was like no, I'mgoing to be with her.
Fabienne (19:52):
I agree enough said enough said do you think the
whole story has been told?
Not specific, I'm not talkingspecifically about Salem and
Cass.
I just mean like with thisbrotherhood of sorts that's
(20:13):
being, you know, that's beinglike dissolved is not the right
word, but you know, likedismantled from within.
But then also just like thelegacy of Mortimer.
Do you think another storycould be told?
Jordan (20:26):
potentially I think so, but is she going to tell it?
I don't know.
Potentially I think so, but isshe going to tell it?
I don't know.
Like because I know people wereasking for her friend's sister
and that guy and Runix was liketheir story's complete, like
what you got within Salem andKaz is like that's their story,
like there is no more of theirstory, which I appreciate
(20:47):
because I can see people like it.
Almost it wouldn't be a Runixstory if she did that, like if
she told another story fromMortimer Mortimer.
Like I don't think I can't seeher doing that.
Fabienne (21:02):
No, yeah, maybe not.
I do, maybe maybe notEspecially.
Yeah, wait, I'm just thinkingout loud now.
Maybe she comes back toMortimer like in another book.
Jordan (21:19):
You know, I mean, she did tackle, like Tenebrae, the
town, so it's like everythingit's in the same universe and I
think that's really cool yeah Ithink we would get more of a
connection when kinetic comesout.
If it does come out.
I'm not sure if, like, we knowlike one way or the other, if
(21:40):
she's like decided or not, um,but I think there's like a big
connection from that book intenebrae and I think that just
like confirms it's all the sameuniverse well, I mean, I think
at this point we kind of have to.
Fabienne (21:58):
It's not weird to assume that everything is like
one universe, like right, yeah,that's true writing yeah, so
you're not wrong no, I'm not.
I don't know why I paused andthat was very dramatic.
Jordan (22:13):
I know I was like oh boy okay uh, is she mad?
Fabienne (22:18):
no, am I wrong?
No, I'm not.
Did you have the paper like?
Did you buy the paperback?
Jordan (22:23):
I bought the hardcover but I actually waited because
then it was on kindle unlimited,so I just got it from Kindle
Unlimited.
But I did get the hardcoverlike the day of release, but
then the print is so tiny on thehardcover that I was like let
me get the Kindle, just.
Oh wait, I mean it's reallypretty though.
It's like really pretty likefont, especially like the first
(22:46):
letter and stuff.
But I was like I can't readthis.
So it was just like trophy stuffyou know like, put it on your
shelf, display it on the shelf.
I'm gonna leave it there andthen.
But I was lucky because, like,it wasn't on kindle limited for
a while, but I think it is nowbecause it's still on my phone.
Granted, it could not beanymore, and then once I un-down
(23:09):
, download it, it will go away.
Fabienne (23:11):
So I don't actually know, oh don't, who cares I was
honestly, I was like looking forthe paperback because you know
how the uk is, like a differentprint.
Like you have the us, the uk,and like the commonwealth, I
always figured that you know thenetherlands is obviously it's
not part of the uk and thecommonwealth let's, let's, but
(23:31):
like get that out first.
But technically speaking, with,like publication wise, the west
eu yeah so I was looking, Idon't have the paperback yet
like I was looking like at thelike, the like.
The day of release, I you know,I looked everywhere.
And then a week later, lookedeverywhere.
I even girl.
I was in dublin when I wasreading this book.
(23:52):
Mind you, I looked in dublin.
Who's not there?
Why?
So I only have, like the kidgirl.
I don't know, that's lame, Iwait, I wait, I wish I did.
You know, I still haven't.
I'm just now holding gothichonor, just you know,
consolation prize.
But that's all you get, that'sall I get, um, but no, I still
(24:13):
have to get the paperback, whichI will eventually because, like
I said whatever you can stuff,yeah, yeah but it's still not
out here for some weird reason.
So I'm kind of bummed by thatand I do kind of like the
paperback better than thehardback.
I do have to admit that likethe UK paperback.
Jordan (24:30):
Yeah, I love paperbacks.
Man fair, I do too.
I do too.
I still not to bring it back togothic honor or anything.
I do love the indecision ofgothic so much oh my god, yes.
Fabienne (24:50):
I can't find it right now.
So much, oh my god.
Yes, I can't find it right now.
Oh, yes, you have the.
Jordan (24:57):
Indian edition yes, I do Honestly.
Fabienne (25:02):
I think that would be worth some money right now.
No kidding.
Jordan (25:06):
Well, maybe you gonna spell it, it could be no you
can't I usually?
Fabienne (25:10):
Who knows it could be?
Of course not, no.
Jordan (25:12):
You can't, I usually go on Pango and I'll look up the
title and see Gothicana oh,there's 302.
And then I go through and I'mlike, okay, is there any indie
editions?
Fabienne (25:30):
Wait.
I'm sorry, what is what is 302?
Oh, like the amount, yeah, likedollars oh, no, no, the amount
of listings.
Jordan (25:37):
But it doesn't look like there's any self-published.
They're all like thetraditionally published
gothicana, so they're like fivedollars.
But with that many listings noone's gonna buy it.
You're better off just likegiving it to like a free little
library.
But there's definitely no indieeditions in here.
(25:58):
But like I wouldn't sell my oh,there's an indie edition.
It's only listed as 15 dollars15.
Fabienne (26:06):
Some people really don't know what something is
worth.
Jordan (26:09):
No, but granted.
No one's bought it, so maybethey just don't understand that
that's gold right there, fair,fair, fair.
Fabienne (26:18):
Oh wait, sorry, Circling back.
Wow, I am really Sometimesbecause things just like don't
hit me.
As soon as someone says it, Isay it.
But I actually wanted to builda tiny library and place it like
behind a fence, like in thebackyard, you should, that's
what I wanted.
Jordan (26:39):
But why?
Fabienne (26:43):
He's like because we have so many little kids in a
neighborhood and you know, ifyou don't like, lock it, because
that goes against the entirepurpose of a tiny library.
You don't know what folks willdo.
The kids are just like yeah,but the kids are like little
rascals.
Jordan (27:00):
Jordan, I'm not going to put it to read Wait what are
you not going to put it?
Cut you off.
Dark romance that is a goodpoint.
Fabienne (27:08):
You definitely don't want to do that.
I do For a kid, for five.
You know I can't Okay.
Jordan (27:14):
I do.
That is a good point.
That is a good point.
Um, there is a free littlelibrary in my town in the park
and I definitely drop off smuttybooks in there.
But you know the moms aretaking cause every I last summer
I would go every week and Iwould drop off like a handful of
books and the next week I wouldcome and all of them would be
(27:36):
gone.
Like you know, those moms weretaking those smutty books and
they were like yes, and I waslike yes, they're just like
spying that tiny library forsomeone new to bring it in, or
like for someone in to bring newbooks.
Fabienne (27:52):
Swap that.
Um, honestly, girl, you shouldfilm that secretly.
You know, do like a little offat a distance.
You walk up to the library andthen just set up like a hidden
camera to see whatever picks itup watch them all be, these
children being like mom.
Jordan (28:09):
What's squirting?
Like what?
Fabienne (28:15):
I have a have a good time explaining that to your kid
of five.
Yeah, it'd be a great time.
Great time it's when it's whenyou spill a bottle of milk honey
on the table, but then foradults adults it's adult milk.
Jordan (28:31):
Sorry, oh my god, Then they're traumatized.
Happens to the best of us guys.
Fabienne (28:42):
It does, it really does.
You know, trauma makes youfunnier, is what they say.
Jordan (28:47):
Isn't that how the saying goes?
Maybe I've never heard that,but like I feel, like I agree
it's a coping mechanism, jordan.
Fabienne (28:56):
Yep you, you were a coping mechanism anyways.
So yeah, enigma was really good, um I just like I'm so happy.
Jordan (29:06):
I I'm so happy we got like another runix book and
she's like back in her writinggroove.
I'm so excited for everythingthat's coming.
I literally can't wait for thefirebird yeah so freaking much.
I'm so excited for that and I'mlike secretly excited that
because she mentioned that atthe beginning of the year and
she was like but I have to gothrough some like contractual
(29:28):
obligations first.
But now that Enigma is out, I'mlike is the Firebird coming?
Is the Firebird coming?
Fabienne (29:37):
The.
Firebird Just give us answers.
Answers, please, please, please.
Jordan (29:40):
Probably yesterday.
Yeah, yeah.
So I can't wait for that one, Iwant that one.
Fabienne (29:47):
Do you want to place a bet?
Ooh, what's this bet, you say?
You say, well, it's somethingthat we lie in um I'm actually
in one right now lucky you?
Um, no, I just you know if,well, obviously we're betting
(30:08):
for books, obviously you know Iget you something of your wish
list, and so you say you thinkit's Firebird.
If you're right, I'm going toget you something of your wish
list, and if it's not, what doyou mean?
Jordan (30:22):
We know it's Firebird.
Do we know it's Firebird?
Fabienne (30:26):
Or do we know it's kinetic?
Jordan (30:28):
Oh no, we know it's Firebird Fuck.
Fabienne (30:31):
Keep up.
Well then, there's no bet.
I mean, why would we play?
Jordan (30:34):
the bet, if you obviously know it yet.
Oh yeah, I didn't know if youwere trying to bet on, like when
it's coming out.
Fabienne (30:41):
Oh, no See, I'm slow sometimes.
I really am, it's okay.
Jordan (30:51):
This is why I'm here.
I keep you up to date.
But no, we know Firebird's next.
We just don't know when.
We just don't know when.
Fabienne (30:56):
No, I'm not going to gamble on time frames.
Jordan (30:58):
I've been there, done that with authors.
Yeah, we're just going towhenever it's going to be a live
release.
So whenever she wants torelease it, we're getting it.
Fabienne (31:07):
So it's going to be this year, though I'll take it.
Jordan (31:14):
I'll take it Right.
Fabienne (31:19):
I wanted to say one more thing about Enigma.
Jordan (31:24):
Okay.
Fabienne (31:29):
Give it to me I'm making it sound so dramatic, but
it's just like me thinkingreally how I'm going to phrase
this.
When the Syndicator came out,obviously it was the end of an
era.
It was her first book aftereverything that's happened to
her, like with her family, but Ikind of I don't think love is
the right word here, but I doappreciate how she's become her,
(31:50):
like her whole full self again.
With enigma you can see likeher, actually like her writing,
shining see, here I come againwith like the shining through
god.
It's like stop word, um.
But the syndicator was sodifferent, like in terms of her
writing, you know, like in termsof like her coping, like you
know, with everything that'shappened, um, and enigma is just
(32:11):
like her own full story and asyndicator was just.
I have to get this out.
I have to finish this series.
Jordan (32:17):
I have to, you know, give closure to this storyline,
to these characters um, I thinkI think the thing too with the
syndicator is I think she had itfully finished, but then
everything happened and I thinkshe just went back and rewrote
it like multiple times, and Ithink that she just yeah, yeah,
(32:42):
I guess what I'm trying to say,like you're in and shine like a
positive light on it, is thatEnigma is, like you, know where
her true power lies, to likethese, these dark, gothic-esque
tales.
So freaking good.
Fabienne (32:54):
And I just love to see how good this one was.
That's all I'll say it was sogood it was so good.
Jordan (33:00):
And I know too, like I didn't have that much to say,
but I feel like this was also onme, because if I would have
finished it on time, I wouldhave been like fully I just like
don't really remember it Likewe finished it like in the
beginning of May, or I finishedit in the beginning of May, so
then, I like struggle with, liketrying to remember Girl life be
(33:22):
lifing.
Fabienne (33:22):
You know we have day jobs, we you know we have life,
it doesn't help for the podcast.
That's true.
Okay, fair, I'm going to letyou have this miserable
self-indulgent moment.
Sure, thank you.
It's your fault, it's all yourfault.
Jordan (33:40):
Thank you, it's okay Next time.
Yeah, thank you, then next timefor the fire burn.
Because, we'd be doing a buddyread for that.
Fabienne (33:50):
Oh, obviously Obviously Duh.
So.
Jordan (33:55):
I'll do better next time .
Fabienne (33:56):
Okay, I'll do better next time too.
Just you know just Well.
You were on time, I just wasn'ton time.
Thank you so much for listening.
Jordan (34:03):
And please don't forget to rate and review wherever you
can find us.
So catch you next time.
Bye.
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