March 10, 2025 • 35 mins
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Fantasy Unleashed: Exploring Fourth Wing by RY, we take a deep dive into the fantasy novel that captures the essence of adventure and identity. With its blend of dragons and relatable characters, the episode explores nostalgia and maturity in storytelling.
• Exploring the themes of dragons and identity in Fourth Wing
• The nostalgic yet mature narrative style enhancing relatability
• Discussing character representation of chronic illness
• Reflecting on Yarros' writing style and character development
• Anticipating the sequel, Iron Flame, and what to expect
• Engaging with listeners on personal reflections of the story
Cover Art by: Fabienne and Jordan
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Jordan (00:07):
welcome to the bookish hour with jor and fab.
What are we talking about today?
Fabienne (00:12):
fourth wing, fourth wing, fourth wing, fourth wing.
Finally it um took us a littlewhile, um, yes, because we lost
our um admission letter to uhbaskiath college, uh, but we're
here now we crossed.
Sorry I'm.
I'm trying to do a little bithere, but you're ruining it for
me it is fine.
No, it is fine, fine anyways.
(00:38):
Fourth wing um, I asked you toread up on it a little bit, but
have you Jordan?
No, you have not.
Jordan (00:46):
I'm sorry to call you out by the way.
What I was looking for thisbookmark.
It was in my book In FourthWing.
Let me see the bookmark.
Oh my God, it has all thedifferent tropes.
So it's like enemies to lovers.
Love triangle Is that from theDark Romance bookish babes
design?
Fabienne (01:07):
yes, yes, yes, I really like that.
Jordan (01:10):
They're like little post , like post stamps yeah, like I
think you could get these aslike a big print at one point,
um, but I bought just hang itall over your wall behind your
bed well, and that's the thing.
I was like I don't really knowwhere I'm gonna put these like
prints, so I was like, let mejust get the bookmark, because
like the bookmark I would use,you know like I would use.
Fabienne (01:31):
Okay, first thought, fourth wing.
Jordan (01:32):
Give me three keywords please dragons, dragons, dragons
and dragons I actually that'sone additional dragons, but sure
I really liked this book.
I think it's.
It's don't get me wrong, you'renot.
(01:53):
If you like fantasy, maybe youwon't be totally obsessed with
this, but I think this is agreat intro to fantasy for
anybody that's like wants to getinto fantasy.
Um, because it's not superlyheavily.
What would be the word likehigh fantasy?
Yeah, I guess, because it'slike there is like, it is like
(02:16):
another, like universe in a way,but well, it's definitely
fantasy, but it doesn't.
Fabienne (02:30):
Well, it's definitely fantasy, but it doesn't.
It's not like fantasy, as, like, say, lord of the rings is.
It's not a fantasy thatdescribes the world like, yeah,
I, I guess that's high fantasy,that's what you would call high
fantasy yeah, because I think oflord of the rings and I think
of high fantasy.
For that, yes, althoughtechnically I feel like this is
actually in like the most basicessence.
It is high fantasy, but it'snot.
(02:51):
It's not so intense, yeah.
Jordan (02:55):
There's not like these words that you have to like made
up places or things or people.
Fabienne (03:02):
Well, that is actually not true.
Jordan (03:09):
or things or people well , that is actually not true,
because they, they have likewith um the gods and like even
that's true, but I feel likehalf of the gods.
But I feel like it's like, butthe places it's like, it's just
like one place.
Ah, yeah, okay, maybe you'reright, because it's like I don't
know how to explain it.
Fabienne (03:23):
I don't know how to explain, like, how this is so
much easier, well maybe because,like the um, like the starting
point for, like of a better term, it's a, why a?
Because it's a, why a fantasy.
No, that's not true, I'm sorry.
It's not why a.
I'm sorry.
It has like the feeling of why,like the simplicity of YA.
(03:46):
That's what I'm trying to say.
Jordan (03:48):
Oh, I agree.
Fabienne (03:50):
It's definitely new adult because it is so muddy,
but it has like a nostalgicfeeling of a YA fantasy and
because of that it doesn't feelas like weighty, like, like,
like heavy, as an actual highfantasy.
This is my trump card.
That's all I have no I I canget that.
Jordan (04:13):
I can get that.
I can get behind that, I.
I do think it's interesting,though, because she seems like a
romance author, which there isromance in here, and, granted,
this is my only book by RebeccaYaros, but, like every other
book you look at, is likeContemporary romance yeah,
(04:38):
contemporary, or like it's alllike just straight romance and
nothing.
It's just why did she decide towrite a fantasy book?
Is what I'm thinking.
You know, it's just like juststraight romance and nothing.
It's just why did she decide towrite a fantasy book?
Is what I'm thinking.
You know, it's just kind ofrandom, don't get me wrong.
I'm obsessed with it and I loveit, but it just, it's just
interesting.
Fabienne (04:58):
Maybe she just woke up on the wrong side of the bed
one day and just worked out inher fever she was like.
Jordan (05:02):
You know what I want to write about?
Fucking dragons, oh which I amhere for it, because I love wait
.
What did I?
Fabienne (05:11):
just just fucking fantasy.
You were like dragons, whichobviously is like the better
answer, which but I digress, um,but I'm glad that you did
because, like I said, it haslike this very feeling of ya
fantasy and it feels like home.
Remember, like when you wouldyou, when you would read and I
(05:32):
feel like we have touched onthis subject a little while ago
before like when you would read,say, twilight, when you would
say read, you know, like thehunger games, like that intense
feeling when you were like 14and being fucking obsessed with
like a like, um, like a bookseries, and you would make it
your entire personality.
(05:53):
That's what happened to me whenI read this book.
But then, like it also cateredto my more adult wishes, you
know, like for someone who readsromance, for someone who likes
romance, for someone who why areyou smirking at me like that?
Jordan (06:11):
no, I agree, like I told oh, that's your agreeing face
because it's like the smuttysmuttiness that like one chapter
it was it.
Fabienne (06:20):
It is really good.
Lives in my and it's just.
Jordan (06:25):
I do really like it and I can't wait for Iron Wing.
No, iron Flame, flame yes, or.
Wing Iron Flame, but like Ialmost like I think I might get
the audio Listen to this likeright before Iron Flame comes
out and as like a little recap,because I already know what's
happened but like I don't havethe memories Of course.
Fabienne (06:50):
Maybe you could do like what's it called, Like a
whisper sync.
Does it work with this book too?
Jordan (06:58):
No, because I do.
I did buy, so I have thepaperback.
I bought the ebook.
This is not the paperback.
I bought the e-book.
This is not the paperback, thisis the hardcover.
Oh well, I meant it as in, likethe physical, yeah, but I
bought the hardcover, oh okay,and then I bought the e-book,
because I don't know about you,did you read your paperback or
did you get an e-book?
Fabienne (07:20):
I actually read the paperback.
Jordan (07:23):
Oh See, I don't know what it is, but I struggled
reading this, so hard.
Fabienne (07:28):
I can completely understand why it's because it's
a fucking hardcover.
Jordan (07:33):
Oh Well, even and not even that, because I don't mind
reading hardcovers but it'ssomething with this text I like
had trouble like like reading it.
So I could not get through likeactually reading this like
first page, or I reread thislike first page.
So many times I was like youknow what Fuck it Like.
Let me get the e-book and Ithink that's going to be, or I
(07:55):
tried the sample and the samplewas super easy for me to read,
so then I ended up buying thee-book, so I spent 30 bucks on
this.
I then spent $15 on the e-book,so I spent $30 on this.
I then spent $15 on the e-bookand I will be buying the audio
book you are a great customer,George.
(08:15):
I know I must be really, must bereally happy.
All, all the monies went tothis.
I also would like to say that Ibought two editions of iron
flame, so, yes, of course youdid Getting all my.
The German edition, though, isstunning, like when you take off
the dust jacket.
The actual cover of the book islike a dragon, yes, and so I
(08:37):
needed it.
So I pre-ordered that.
Fabienne (08:39):
Yep, yep when, uh, when you're here in april, we,
um, we have to look for specificand like special editions too,
because they're again, I do notread these types of books, not
necessarily like fantasy books,but just like the english books,
like the books that we readlike for this money and like for
our own personal bookinstagrams.
I do not read that shit and indutch, some like are actually
(09:03):
translated, but I don't readthem because they don't have
like the same feel to it.
Also, I do not like my ownlanguage.
I already said this one timebefore, um, but some of the
editions are actually reallypretty.
So when you're here, we'regoing to go book shopping just
for like.
The special editions sound big,but again, I digress because
indeed the german edition isreally fucking stunning, but
(09:24):
there are some good dutch onestoo.
So, um, may I also address somecritical well, not critical
issues.
I've been waiting for these,which they are not, but I have
some issues in general with thisbook, even though I loved it
(09:45):
gave it 4.5 stars.
Jordan (09:48):
Oh, it didn't get 5 stars no, ma'am, it did not oh,
I gave it 5 stars.
I just needed to point that out.
Fabienne (09:57):
I know you did.
I just like to go the other wayfor some reason.
You know like the road lesstraveled.
If you will, I like it.
I like it it had familiarelements and no one in their
right mind can deny that.
It had elements of and Ialready said it the hunger games
with the war trials.
(10:18):
It had like also with thearenas of like trading with the
dragons.
It felt like harry potter atone time I mean goblet of fire,
anyone.
Um, it also had similar scenesor like elements that are
described in the accord ofthorns and roses series the
(10:41):
entire scribe.
What's her name?
Um violet soaring, gale guile,I'm not really sure how to say
it.
Um, her turning like I'm gonnasay this really bluntly and I do
not mean it in any negative waywhatsoever, but her turning
from like a geek to a full-blownbadass bitch.
(11:02):
I felt like this seemed likegwyn from a court of silver
flames, like the scribe turnedwarrior.
In a way, it had like I'm notsaying I'm not, I'm not saying
like it's a copy, because youknow, let's rule, every single
book that we have read, theyhave like overlapping elements,
(11:25):
overlapping storylines, but Ijust felt like there were so
many elements um, taken from somany like famous, like,
notoriously, if that's even athing books that we have read,
and it was just like all throwninto, like a cauldron, stirred
together into this fantasticalsoap.
And yes, that is a line that Ihave said in my review and I'm
(11:47):
just like quoting it verbatim.
But she, rebecca, in this casemanaged to create something very
original, even though I sawsome, um, I guess, things I
already have read.
Jordan (12:07):
If that makes sense, because I feel like, as I was
reading it, I didn't pick up onany of that, like I didn't pick
up on any of the elements thatit made me feel like I was
reading like a Sarah J Maas bookor like a Susanna Collins the
(12:30):
Hunger Games like SusannaCollins.
I didn't think of that at alland I'm like trying to go back
and maybe because it's like notfresh in my mind, I didn't fully
oh, maybe with the audio you'llrecognize some of those
(12:51):
elements that I've justmentioned.
Now I might like pick up on it,but I see what you're saying
though, because it's like Iunderstand every piece of work
has been inspiration for anotherpiece of work, and you can see
that like throughout, like booksin general, like you understand
that, like it's like thathappens more times than not, and
(13:14):
I've like definitely readthings where it's like it seems
like almost too close forcomfort.
I totally understand that, butI like wish I I definitely did
not pay attention no, this oneyou don't have to let.
Fabienne (13:32):
I mean, we said it, we said it in a and I know, and
that's that's why all the otherstuff that I have just said is
like basically excused becauseit has dragons, you know.
I mean, and also, despite allof what I like have literally
just said, I was hooked to thestory.
Like there is just something soaddictive about the book, like
(13:56):
the like, I guess, just like thenarrative.
I even want to say I finishedit in weird timing, weird pause.
Um, I finished reading it inlike three days and I feel like
that's that, that's that'spretty fast for like a book that
long.
Would you say it's a long bookor would you say it's a thick
(14:16):
book?
Jordan (14:17):
I never, I never know which adjective to use say thick
, thick, it's almost like 500pages, but it's also like a
pretty decently sized, likeheight book too.
So it's like a good, a goodsize.
Fabienne (14:36):
It's like a good size.
Jordan (14:37):
Oh, my gosh, what.
Oh yeah, 498 pages.
Oh, and that last ending likeher brother not being dead.
I know, I know the thing is isI saw that coming as soon as he
like, as soon as he like, assoon as miles afar.
(14:59):
Yeah, he was like, oh, we got totake her to him and I was like,
oh, it's definitely her brother, her brother's not dead.
Like, so that I have to say, attimes the story was predictable,
but it didn't stop me fromenjoying, like that's the one
thing is like, as soon as I canfigure out what kind of author
you are and what I need to do,then I'm golden.
Because, like sarah j maas, Ifeel like you can go into her
(15:22):
books and you will not pick upeverything, especially the first
time or the second time or eventhe third time, but you can go
into her books trying to solvethe puzzle, because you will not
solve it, like, maybe you'llget one piece of it and you'll
get so excited because you gotthat one piece, but you'll miss
the other 12 000 pieces she'sleft.
It is like breadcrumbs.
(15:42):
So I love trying to like,really like, dive into her
stories and like really try tolike dissect them for myself in
trying to figure it out, and Ithink her books make great buddy
reads for that reason.
But like this one, this one,it's almost like you just need
(16:02):
to enjoy the ride.
It's like you need to just readit.
The dragons, sorry, yes, exactlyI do have to say that's.
The one thing I did really likeis because she was like the
mental health rep and like theum, not being able to ride the
dragon because of the way herbody was shaped.
(16:23):
I forgot how they like whatit's like, how it's worded and
how like that sort of thing, butI actually really liked that
because you're kind of chronicher chronicle like oh, chronic,
chronic illness.
Thank you, thank you.
That's that's what it was to beof help, that's what I'm here
for again.
Yes, that's like what?
(16:44):
Sorry, I'm now trying to findmy the.
Is it like the chronic?
Yeah, chronic illness rep, notmental health.
I'm sorry, chronic illness rep,but I like that because she had
that chronic illness and I kindof thought once she got a
dragon, it would fix her.
But I like that.
That's not what happened.
It's just okay, you have thisbut we're gonna learn how you
(17:07):
can live with this instead of,like, being fixed, like you
don't need to be fixed.
So I actually really enjoyedthat aspect and the turn that
Rebecca took with that um.
So that was like something thatI like kind of stuck with me
and I really enjoyed that.
That's how that happened andthat's how that came to be about
(17:28):
.
Fabienne (17:29):
I think that's actually really important also
because, in the fact that younote on it right now, I mean I'm
just gonna go out on a limbhere I mean, and I know, I know
you, we don't have like physicalchronic illnesses.
We deal with, you know, likesome, some mental instabilities,
if you will.
But, um, can you only likeimagine how we view this chronic
(17:57):
illness and how we canappreciate it for what it is?
And someone who actually has achronic illness and can actually
, I guess, relate to the feelingyes, no, exactly.
I feel like that's really cool.
Jordan (18:17):
No, exactly, I feel like that's really cool, especially
within the bookstagram community, I think there's there's people
that I didn't know had, so youwouldn't know.
It's not like something whereit's like they like.
(18:38):
It's not something you can see,like you would only know what
if they like told you orsomething like that.
So I think this is like.
I think this is a really goodrepresentation of like how you
don't like, you don't need to befixed like.
You are perfect the way you are, and I think that's really cool
, because I think in fantasy,this is where it's like oh, she
(19:00):
got a dragon.
Oh, this dragon is going to fixher.
You know, like she's going tocome and she's not going to.
Fabienne (19:07):
There's nothing needs to be fixed.
It's actually already prettycool the way she is.
I mean, she only gets a dragon.
This is just the one time astory does not need more dragons
.
Jordan (19:20):
This is pretty fucking dope already it is so I and on,
oh, I, uh follow like a shopaugust alchemy, I think, is what
the name of the shop is but shedesigns like jewelry and she
designed jewelry for fourth wingand I bought some necklaces and
I can't wait for them so thatis necklaces.
Fabienne (19:40):
That's a well, not a bookmark, because that was from
the bookish babes.
So necklaces, a heart back, uh,a kindle edition and uh, what's
it?
An audio.
Jordan (19:51):
You're going to go for the audio too, wow okay, well, I
think I might need to buy somemore stuff I think I think you
do.
Fabienne (20:00):
Yes, right, I mean, could have been drugs.
So so you know, silver lining,um, I like to circle back a
little to affect how this bookactually like balances the
nostalgia of YA, but itincorporates, or like implements
(20:24):
, or whatever fucking word youwant to use, um, and of like the
needs that we have, but itincorporates, or like implements
, or whatever fucking word youwant to use, and of like the
needs that we have as like adultreaders, and just like knows
how to combine the two.
And then you have fourth wayJust nod and just say yes.
Oh, because you're combininglike yeah, like you are
(20:48):
combining like the nostalgiathat you have like from the
books that you loved as a teen,but then it's like catered to
our needs as readers of the agethat we are.
Does that make sense?
Yes, thank you.
Then I rest my case.
Mic drop, mic drop.
(21:11):
Yes, thank you.
Then I rest my case.
Mic drop, mic drop.
What did you?
Did you really eat something?
no, you're drinking burping, butI am drinking like an iced
coffee in a mug so this is not abooze and books, this is a
coffee, and books is one episodethis is caffeine overload.
Actually, now you have to callthis episode caffeine overload.
And then, jory, that's actuallysuch a fun one, because for the
(21:34):
booze and books ones that wedon't have booze and books, but
we just want to make it oneepisode we can just do like
caffeine overload colon.
Okay, wait, I'm, I need to textit to you now.
I need, I need to text it toyou now once.
I need to text it to you now.
I need, I need to text it toyou now once I need to text it
to you now one second.
I need to text it to you one now.
Okay, okay, um, caffeineoverload.
(21:55):
Yes, overload, kevin.
Also this.
This cover is actually reallycool the butcher and the
blackbird one right, it's socute and I want to buy it.
Jordan (22:07):
I might just have to buy it caffeine overload.
Fabienne (22:11):
You really have to buy it or you could just like
overlaid, I can't time for shitover it's now.
I can't time for shit.
Jordan (22:22):
Overload, overload, there we go okay, so like what I
do, like this, like this likethis elevated music.
Fabienne (22:38):
Elevated music.
Give it over.
Yes, okay, I feel like we got anew title dope.
Jordan (22:47):
I mean because I have to , I don't.
It says genie in a bottle.
But I have to say to the peopleout there, honestly, we have
not been drunk for one of thesein a long ass time no, this is
more of I say we rectify thatshit.
Fabienne (23:05):
but you know schedules haven't really been overlapping
, so yeah.
Jordan (23:12):
But we really do need to , so like we might just switch
these and these might just beCaffeine Overload episodes now
and then.
If we do get drunk then we willlet you know.
Fabienne (23:28):
Yes, and you'll actually know, based off the way
that we talk, Because I, forone, will mumble and stumble
even more than I already do Iwill not, you know like I will
not be able to find my words,and I'll just like stutter and
stutter and Stanley stutteringand just like tear off in a
distance and forgetting that wehave a podcast to record.
Jordan (23:49):
So, yeah, It'll be a great time.
Fabienne (23:52):
Oh, definitely, I don't know you have anything
else to add to Fourth Wing?
Jordan (24:01):
I think so.
I can't wait for Iron Flame.
Are you going to read IronFlame when it comes out?
Fabienne (24:06):
Fuck, yes, right.
Jordan (24:06):
Flame.
Are you going to read IronFlame when it comes out?
Fuck.
Yes, right answer, thank you.
Fabienne (24:13):
When is it actually coming out Asking for a?
Jordan (24:16):
friend, or November, it's like early November.
There's like the midnightrelease parties too.
Wait could you repeat that,because I didn't hear you it's
either november 7th or november8th, one of those two, um.
But there's like they're doinglike midnight release parties
(24:37):
too, and I think that's so cooland I midnight release parties.
Fabienne (24:42):
What is that?
Jordan (24:44):
well, it's like the last last time that there was one
after the last Harry Potter,like I think that was your mic
is completely fucked up, really.
Fabienne (24:57):
Oh no, wow, now apparently not anymore.
Now, oh OK, sorry, releaseparty.
Yes, I am on board.
Jordan (25:06):
I know I want to do it, but then I also don't know
anybody that would go with me.
So I also feel like the good,the really cool one would be in
New York, in Union Square, Ithink, because that's the one
that Rebecca Yaros would be at.
Fabienne (25:22):
That's actually really pretty, pretty fun.
Right, I sound so sarcastic,but if you, no, I'm not.
Even I'm not sarcastic.
I actually really like the ideaof having, like a night party.
Is that what you called it?
I'm sorry, I have Swiss, thankyou.
I have Swiss cheese for a brain.
(25:42):
I forget shit.
It's okay Midnight.
Jordan (25:46):
Midnight, but I think it's at like ten.
It's not quite at midnight,that is not midnight.
No, but maybe it's like ten tomidnight.
Oh, it's all of them.
Fabienne (25:57):
Kidding, kidding.
Jordan (26:01):
Not really.
Fabienne (26:04):
Only half, always half kidding, always half serious,
anyways.
Um well, do you just let meknow if maybe, maybe a person
wants to go?
You never know.
Jordan (26:16):
just just look at them sweetly and just say honey,
drive me to new york yeah, but Imean that one's probably sold
out now because that thosetickets went on sale today.
Oh, okay, but I think a lot ofbookstores are doing it, but
then I'm like I'd want to go tothe one in New York, you know.
Fabienne (26:37):
I know and I completely understand.
Jordan (26:40):
You know, I know.
Fabienne (26:44):
So fourth wing.
Why?
Um, okay, so can I?
Um, why is it called iron flame?
Do we know that?
We know fourth thing, becauseshe was in the fourth wing, yes.
Why is the second one callediron flame?
Jordan (26:58):
I think it is mentioned in here.
Do you know why are you sayingthat?
Because you want I.
Fabienne (27:03):
I do not.
I want an answer because I Idon't know, but you don't have
answer.
Jordan (27:06):
I do not, I want an answer because I don't know but
you don't have an answer.
I do not have.
I do think it was mentioned atsome point in here, but maybe
not because I don't have ananswer to give you, but I'm sure
we would know.
Get it, pop, get it.
Can you see me, pop's trying toget a fly?
(27:26):
There is one.
Those are the worst.
Fabienne (27:36):
I think I actually saw the shadow of a fly and not the
actual fly itself, so now Ihave no clue where it is.
Oh, good luck.
Jordan (27:44):
Good luck.
Fabienne (27:48):
Anyways, fly, fly, good luck, anyways, why Great
time?
Thank you, I said thank you,that does not make any sense,
sorry, but Iron Flame, ironFlame.
Okay, well, we'll just have towait for November, then that's
pretty soon, though.
Jordan (28:05):
I know this came out in May and then the next one's
coming out in November.
I think it's also supposed tobe five book.
What?
Fabienne (28:15):
She's spitting them out really quick Poo-ping.
That just sounds way funnier.
Jordan (28:20):
Poo-ping, but I think it's gonna be five books, five
yeah, be five books, five yeah Idid not know that.
Fabienne (28:33):
I thought it was just going to be like a three, three
series or something like threeno, I think it's gonna be five I
don't think I'm ready for thattype of commitment oh my god,
when liam died.
I did.
I did not know that I post, Iposted.
(28:53):
Did you see that one reel thatI posted on Instagram, where it
was like a live reaction,because I know that some people
said like you have to, you haveto film yourself if you read um,
or like you have to recordyourself if you feel wow.
No, I'm just like saying allwords all at once.
You have to record yourself ifyou feel wow, now, I'm just like
saying all words all at once.
You have to record yourself ifyou read this and this chapter,
(29:15):
and I did.
And then I'm like fuck, did Ijust read that right?
Did he just actually die?
Jordan (29:30):
But I was so mad.
I was like and he was like,take me to her because his
dragon died.
And oh my god, like because andthat was like a rider a dragon
can live without its rider, buta rider can't live without his
dragon.
And I was like this is horrible.
I love liam.
He deserved better.
And I was like how can you dothis to us?
And I was like you can make herbrother really dead.
Fabienne (29:52):
Just bring back liam just my brother, just like gif
is liam back yeah I know it wasdevastating, but you know I am
not.
I'm not a fan of authorsripping our hearts out by making
us love a certain sidecharacter and then, just like
(30:13):
you know, taking them away fromus to put it mildly exactly, but
how fucking dare you?
I will say.
It also shows how well rebeccawrites, because just with within
, like what's it?
We?
We only knew liam.
For like what?
10 chapters, 10-ish chapters.
Jordan (30:34):
No, I feel like we knew him from the beginning, Like
once they entered the warcollege.
Yeah, but he was a very sidecharacter, and then he became
more and more, but wasn't helike close?
Because Liam was the onewatching her.
And that's how we became moreattached to him.
Fabienne (30:56):
That is true.
No, you are correct, I know,but I will well, maybe because
he didn't have, I want to saylike he didn't have many lines,
like he's an actor, but hedidn't.
He didn't have like muchdialogue in the beginning.
Right, it only like progressed,if you will, from yeah, I want
to say half of the book give ortake.
Jordan (31:13):
Yeah, I do agree, because it almost was like you
got more and more as the bookwent along oh, christ you.
Fabienne (31:20):
You should be glad you're not sitting here with me.
I feel like I am sweating somuch and I stink, uh, oh sorry
that well that's I am.
Jordan (31:28):
I did take a shower, so I think I'm a little good there
but now I do yes, no, no.
Fabienne (31:40):
I want to finish.
I want to finish my thought.
No, no, that's okay, that'sokay, I'm sorry give it to me.
I just all at once.
I was just trying to say, orlike trying to explain, that it
attests I think that's the rightword, it attests to Rebecca's
skill plural of being a writerthat she can make us love Liam
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so much without having him thatpresent in the beginning and
then ripping, rip him away fromus and like that was so fucking
emotional I was so sad I don'tfeel like I'm explaining this
right, but I hope that someonejust picks up on it and like yes
, I completely understand.
Jordan (32:27):
I like, I completely understand and I completely
agree with what you're sayingyeah, yeah, no, I do, because
it's like I was so angry and sadand devastated and it's like,
you're right, he's a sidecharacter and it just goes to
show how much, how well shewrites, because normally, like,
some characters can like die andyou just like don't care, but
(32:47):
then, like this one, I was likeso sad, I know.
But I do really want to read herother books, like I got in the
unlikely, no, in the likelyevent, but that's about a plane
crash and I don't think I wantto read about a plane crash, but
the things we Well, not before.
Fabienne (33:07):
April, you don't?
No, you got to fly over thepond Jordan, exactly.
So I can't do that, but got tofly over the pond Jordan,
exactly.
Jordan (33:12):
So I can't do that.
But the last letter, I think,is a military romance, so I
think I kind of want to readthat and I want to get them,
mm-hmm.
Fabienne (33:22):
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Military romance.
I don't think I've ever read amilitary romance.
I've only ever seen a militaryromance, and that was a Nicholas
Sparks movie.
Jordan (33:32):
There's a new Netflix movie that's the same girl from
White Lotus, the second seasonof White Lotus, and it's about
not military, but it is a plane,but not a plane crash, and I
(33:53):
can't remember the title, but Iwant to watch that.
I hope that was reallyexplanatory.
Fabienne (34:00):
It was not but in a way it was, but also it was not,
at least not to me, because Ihave not watched White Lotus yet
.
Oh then, yeah, that's nothelpful.
I am behind schedule and I liveon a rock sometime, that's okay
.
Jordan (34:17):
I just added the things we leave behind.
I don't know why I keep wantingto say the things we leave
behind.
It's the things we leaveunfinished.
Yeah, there's somethingcompletely else.
Yeah, but I keep saying it.
But I just added that to mycart.
Good for you see, if I buy it.
Thank you, you're welcome.
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Okay, I'm gonna add you knowwhat letter?
Fabienne (34:42):
okay, yeah, I think we should probably wrap this up,
yep I agree, okay, glad you saidit, no kidding, because I can
talk for hours with you.
I can talk for hours with you.
Um, thank, can talk for hourswith you.
Thank you so much for listening.
Jordan (34:54):
And please don't forget to rate and review wherever you
can find us.
So catch you next time.
Bye.
welcome to the bookish hour with jor and fab.
What are we talking about today?
Fabienne (00:12):
fourth wing, fourth wing, fourth wing, fourth wing.
Finally it um took us a littlewhile, um, yes, because we lost
our um admission letter to uhbaskiath college, uh, but we're
here now we crossed.
Sorry I'm.
I'm trying to do a little bithere, but you're ruining it for
me it is fine.
No, it is fine, fine anyways.
(00:38):
Fourth wing um, I asked you toread up on it a little bit, but
have you Jordan?
No, you have not.
Jordan (00:46):
I'm sorry to call you out by the way.
What I was looking for thisbookmark.
It was in my book In FourthWing.
Let me see the bookmark.
Oh my God, it has all thedifferent tropes.
So it's like enemies to lovers.
Love triangle Is that from theDark Romance bookish babes
design?
Fabienne (01:07):
yes, yes, yes, I really like that.
Jordan (01:10):
They're like little post , like post stamps yeah, like I
think you could get these aslike a big print at one point,
um, but I bought just hang itall over your wall behind your
bed well, and that's the thing.
I was like I don't really knowwhere I'm gonna put these like
prints, so I was like, let mejust get the bookmark, because
like the bookmark I would use,you know like I would use.
Fabienne (01:31):
Okay, first thought, fourth wing.
Jordan (01:32):
Give me three keywords please dragons, dragons, dragons
and dragons I actually that'sone additional dragons, but sure
I really liked this book.
I think it's.
It's don't get me wrong, you'renot.
(01:53):
If you like fantasy, maybe youwon't be totally obsessed with
this, but I think this is agreat intro to fantasy for
anybody that's like wants to getinto fantasy.
Um, because it's not superlyheavily.
What would be the word likehigh fantasy?
Yeah, I guess, because it'slike there is like, it is like
(02:16):
another, like universe in a way,but well, it's definitely
fantasy, but it doesn't.
Fabienne (02:30):
Well, it's definitely fantasy, but it doesn't.
It's not like fantasy, as, like, say, lord of the rings is.
It's not a fantasy thatdescribes the world like, yeah,
I, I guess that's high fantasy,that's what you would call high
fantasy yeah, because I think oflord of the rings and I think
of high fantasy.
For that, yes, althoughtechnically I feel like this is
actually in like the most basicessence.
It is high fantasy, but it'snot.
(02:51):
It's not so intense, yeah.
Jordan (02:55):
There's not like these words that you have to like made
up places or things or people.
Fabienne (03:02):
Well, that is actually not true.
Jordan (03:09):
or things or people well , that is actually not true,
because they, they have likewith um the gods and like even
that's true, but I feel likehalf of the gods.
But I feel like it's like, butthe places it's like, it's just
like one place.
Ah, yeah, okay, maybe you'reright, because it's like I don't
know how to explain it.
Fabienne (03:23):
I don't know how to explain, like, how this is so
much easier, well maybe because,like the um, like the starting
point for, like of a better term, it's a, why a?
Because it's a, why a fantasy.
No, that's not true, I'm sorry.
It's not why a.
I'm sorry.
It has like the feeling of why,like the simplicity of YA.
(03:46):
That's what I'm trying to say.
Jordan (03:48):
Oh, I agree.
Fabienne (03:50):
It's definitely new adult because it is so muddy,
but it has like a nostalgicfeeling of a YA fantasy and
because of that it doesn't feelas like weighty, like, like,
like heavy, as an actual highfantasy.
This is my trump card.
That's all I have no I I canget that.
Jordan (04:13):
I can get that.
I can get behind that, I.
I do think it's interesting,though, because she seems like a
romance author, which there isromance in here, and, granted,
this is my only book by RebeccaYaros, but, like every other
book you look at, is likeContemporary romance yeah,
(04:38):
contemporary, or like it's alllike just straight romance and
nothing.
It's just why did she decide towrite a fantasy book?
Is what I'm thinking.
You know, it's just like juststraight romance and nothing.
It's just why did she decide towrite a fantasy book?
Is what I'm thinking.
You know, it's just kind ofrandom, don't get me wrong.
I'm obsessed with it and I loveit, but it just, it's just
interesting.
Fabienne (04:58):
Maybe she just woke up on the wrong side of the bed
one day and just worked out inher fever she was like.
Jordan (05:02):
You know what I want to write about?
Fucking dragons, oh which I amhere for it, because I love wait
.
What did I?
Fabienne (05:11):
just just fucking fantasy.
You were like dragons, whichobviously is like the better
answer, which but I digress, um,but I'm glad that you did
because, like I said, it haslike this very feeling of ya
fantasy and it feels like home.
Remember, like when you wouldyou, when you would read and I
(05:32):
feel like we have touched onthis subject a little while ago
before like when you would read,say, twilight, when you would
say read, you know, like thehunger games, like that intense
feeling when you were like 14and being fucking obsessed with
like a like, um, like a bookseries, and you would make it
your entire personality.
(05:53):
That's what happened to me whenI read this book.
But then, like it also cateredto my more adult wishes, you
know, like for someone who readsromance, for someone who likes
romance, for someone who why areyou smirking at me like that?
Jordan (06:11):
no, I agree, like I told oh, that's your agreeing face
because it's like the smuttysmuttiness that like one chapter
it was it.
Fabienne (06:20):
It is really good.
Lives in my and it's just.
Jordan (06:25):
I do really like it and I can't wait for Iron Wing.
No, iron Flame, flame yes, or.
Wing Iron Flame, but like Ialmost like I think I might get
the audio Listen to this likeright before Iron Flame comes
out and as like a little recap,because I already know what's
happened but like I don't havethe memories Of course.
Fabienne (06:50):
Maybe you could do like what's it called, Like a
whisper sync.
Does it work with this book too?
Jordan (06:58):
No, because I do.
I did buy, so I have thepaperback.
I bought the ebook.
This is not the paperback.
I bought the e-book.
This is not the paperback, thisis the hardcover.
Oh well, I meant it as in, likethe physical, yeah, but I
bought the hardcover, oh okay,and then I bought the e-book,
because I don't know about you,did you read your paperback or
did you get an e-book?
Fabienne (07:20):
I actually read the paperback.
Jordan (07:23):
Oh See, I don't know what it is, but I struggled
reading this, so hard.
Fabienne (07:28):
I can completely understand why it's because it's
a fucking hardcover.
Jordan (07:33):
Oh Well, even and not even that, because I don't mind
reading hardcovers but it'ssomething with this text I like
had trouble like like reading it.
So I could not get through likeactually reading this like
first page, or I reread thislike first page.
So many times I was like youknow what Fuck it Like.
Let me get the e-book and Ithink that's going to be, or I
(07:55):
tried the sample and the samplewas super easy for me to read,
so then I ended up buying thee-book, so I spent 30 bucks on
this.
I then spent $15 on the e-book,so I spent $30 on this.
I then spent $15 on the e-bookand I will be buying the audio
book you are a great customer,George.
(08:15):
I know I must be really, must bereally happy.
All, all the monies went tothis.
I also would like to say that Ibought two editions of iron
flame, so, yes, of course youdid Getting all my.
The German edition, though, isstunning, like when you take off
the dust jacket.
The actual cover of the book islike a dragon, yes, and so I
(08:37):
needed it.
So I pre-ordered that.
Fabienne (08:39):
Yep, yep when, uh, when you're here in april, we,
um, we have to look for specificand like special editions too,
because they're again, I do notread these types of books, not
necessarily like fantasy books,but just like the english books,
like the books that we readlike for this money and like for
our own personal bookinstagrams.
I do not read that shit and indutch, some like are actually
(09:03):
translated, but I don't readthem because they don't have
like the same feel to it.
Also, I do not like my ownlanguage.
I already said this one timebefore, um, but some of the
editions are actually reallypretty.
So when you're here, we'regoing to go book shopping just
for like.
The special editions sound big,but again, I digress because
indeed the german edition isreally fucking stunning, but
(09:24):
there are some good dutch onestoo.
So, um, may I also address somecritical well, not critical
issues.
I've been waiting for these,which they are not, but I have
some issues in general with thisbook, even though I loved it
(09:45):
gave it 4.5 stars.
Jordan (09:48):
Oh, it didn't get 5 stars no, ma'am, it did not oh,
I gave it 5 stars.
I just needed to point that out.
Fabienne (09:57):
I know you did.
I just like to go the other wayfor some reason.
You know like the road lesstraveled.
If you will, I like it.
I like it it had familiarelements and no one in their
right mind can deny that.
It had elements of and Ialready said it the hunger games
with the war trials.
(10:18):
It had like also with thearenas of like trading with the
dragons.
It felt like harry potter atone time I mean goblet of fire,
anyone.
Um, it also had similar scenesor like elements that are
described in the accord ofthorns and roses series the
(10:41):
entire scribe.
What's her name?
Um violet soaring, gale guile,I'm not really sure how to say
it.
Um, her turning like I'm gonnasay this really bluntly and I do
not mean it in any negative waywhatsoever, but her turning
from like a geek to a full-blownbadass bitch.
(11:02):
I felt like this seemed likegwyn from a court of silver
flames, like the scribe turnedwarrior.
In a way, it had like I'm notsaying I'm not, I'm not saying
like it's a copy, because youknow, let's rule, every single
book that we have read, theyhave like overlapping elements,
(11:25):
overlapping storylines, but Ijust felt like there were so
many elements um, taken from somany like famous, like,
notoriously, if that's even athing books that we have read,
and it was just like all throwninto, like a cauldron, stirred
together into this fantasticalsoap.
And yes, that is a line that Ihave said in my review and I'm
(11:47):
just like quoting it verbatim.
But she, rebecca, in this casemanaged to create something very
original, even though I sawsome, um, I guess, things I
already have read.
Jordan (12:07):
If that makes sense, because I feel like, as I was
reading it, I didn't pick up onany of that, like I didn't pick
up on any of the elements thatit made me feel like I was
reading like a Sarah J Maas bookor like a Susanna Collins the
(12:30):
Hunger Games like SusannaCollins.
I didn't think of that at alland I'm like trying to go back
and maybe because it's like notfresh in my mind, I didn't fully
oh, maybe with the audio you'llrecognize some of those
(12:51):
elements that I've justmentioned.
Now I might like pick up on it,but I see what you're saying
though, because it's like Iunderstand every piece of work
has been inspiration for anotherpiece of work, and you can see
that like throughout, like booksin general, like you understand
that, like it's like thathappens more times than not, and
(13:14):
I've like definitely readthings where it's like it seems
like almost too close forcomfort.
I totally understand that, butI like wish I I definitely did
not pay attention no, this oneyou don't have to let.
Fabienne (13:32):
I mean, we said it, we said it in a and I know, and
that's that's why all the otherstuff that I have just said is
like basically excused becauseit has dragons, you know.
I mean, and also, despite allof what I like have literally
just said, I was hooked to thestory.
Like there is just something soaddictive about the book, like
(13:56):
the like, I guess, just like thenarrative.
I even want to say I finishedit in weird timing, weird pause.
Um, I finished reading it inlike three days and I feel like
that's that, that's that'spretty fast for like a book that
long.
Would you say it's a long bookor would you say it's a thick
(14:16):
book?
Jordan (14:17):
I never, I never know which adjective to use say thick
, thick, it's almost like 500pages, but it's also like a
pretty decently sized, likeheight book too.
So it's like a good, a goodsize.
Fabienne (14:36):
It's like a good size.
Jordan (14:37):
Oh, my gosh, what.
Oh yeah, 498 pages.
Oh, and that last ending likeher brother not being dead.
I know, I know the thing is isI saw that coming as soon as he
like, as soon as he like, assoon as miles afar.
(14:59):
Yeah, he was like, oh, we got totake her to him and I was like,
oh, it's definitely her brother, her brother's not dead.
Like, so that I have to say, attimes the story was predictable,
but it didn't stop me fromenjoying, like that's the one
thing is like, as soon as I canfigure out what kind of author
you are and what I need to do,then I'm golden.
Because, like sarah j maas, Ifeel like you can go into her
(15:22):
books and you will not pick upeverything, especially the first
time or the second time or eventhe third time, but you can go
into her books trying to solvethe puzzle, because you will not
solve it, like, maybe you'llget one piece of it and you'll
get so excited because you gotthat one piece, but you'll miss
the other 12 000 pieces she'sleft.
It is like breadcrumbs.
(15:42):
So I love trying to like,really like, dive into her
stories and like really try tolike dissect them for myself in
trying to figure it out, and Ithink her books make great buddy
reads for that reason.
But like this one, this one,it's almost like you just need
(16:02):
to enjoy the ride.
It's like you need to just readit.
The dragons, sorry, yes, exactlyI do have to say that's.
The one thing I did really likeis because she was like the
mental health rep and like theum, not being able to ride the
dragon because of the way herbody was shaped.
(16:23):
I forgot how they like whatit's like, how it's worded and
how like that sort of thing, butI actually really liked that
because you're kind of chronicher chronicle like oh, chronic,
chronic illness.
Thank you, thank you.
That's that's what it was to beof help, that's what I'm here
for again.
Yes, that's like what?
(16:44):
Sorry, I'm now trying to findmy the.
Is it like the chronic?
Yeah, chronic illness rep, notmental health.
I'm sorry, chronic illness rep,but I like that because she had
that chronic illness and I kindof thought once she got a
dragon, it would fix her.
But I like that.
That's not what happened.
It's just okay, you have thisbut we're gonna learn how you
(17:07):
can live with this instead of,like, being fixed, like you
don't need to be fixed.
So I actually really enjoyedthat aspect and the turn that
Rebecca took with that um.
So that was like something thatI like kind of stuck with me
and I really enjoyed that.
That's how that happened andthat's how that came to be about
(17:28):
.
Fabienne (17:29):
I think that's actually really important also
because, in the fact that younote on it right now, I mean I'm
just gonna go out on a limbhere I mean, and I know, I know
you, we don't have like physicalchronic illnesses.
We deal with, you know, likesome, some mental instabilities,
if you will.
But, um, can you only likeimagine how we view this chronic
(17:57):
illness and how we canappreciate it for what it is?
And someone who actually has achronic illness and can actually
, I guess, relate to the feelingyes, no, exactly.
I feel like that's really cool.
Jordan (18:17):
No, exactly, I feel like that's really cool, especially
within the bookstagram community, I think there's there's people
that I didn't know had, so youwouldn't know.
It's not like something whereit's like they like.
(18:38):
It's not something you can see,like you would only know what
if they like told you orsomething like that.
So I think this is like.
I think this is a really goodrepresentation of like how you
don't like, you don't need to befixed like.
You are perfect the way you are, and I think that's really cool
, because I think in fantasy,this is where it's like oh, she
(19:00):
got a dragon.
Oh, this dragon is going to fixher.
You know, like she's going tocome and she's not going to.
Fabienne (19:07):
There's nothing needs to be fixed.
It's actually already prettycool the way she is.
I mean, she only gets a dragon.
This is just the one time astory does not need more dragons
.
Jordan (19:20):
This is pretty fucking dope already it is so I and on,
oh, I, uh follow like a shopaugust alchemy, I think, is what
the name of the shop is but shedesigns like jewelry and she
designed jewelry for fourth wingand I bought some necklaces and
I can't wait for them so thatis necklaces.
Fabienne (19:40):
That's a well, not a bookmark, because that was from
the bookish babes.
So necklaces, a heart back, uh,a kindle edition and uh, what's
it?
An audio.
Jordan (19:51):
You're going to go for the audio too, wow okay, well, I
think I might need to buy somemore stuff I think I think you
do.
Fabienne (20:00):
Yes, right, I mean, could have been drugs.
So so you know, silver lining,um, I like to circle back a
little to affect how this bookactually like balances the
nostalgia of YA, but itincorporates, or like implements
(20:24):
, or whatever fucking word youwant to use, um, and of like the
needs that we have, but itincorporates, or like implements
, or whatever fucking word youwant to use, and of like the
needs that we have as like adultreaders, and just like knows
how to combine the two.
And then you have fourth wayJust nod and just say yes.
Oh, because you're combininglike yeah, like you are
(20:48):
combining like the nostalgiathat you have like from the
books that you loved as a teen,but then it's like catered to
our needs as readers of the agethat we are.
Does that make sense?
Yes, thank you.
Then I rest my case.
Mic drop, mic drop.
(21:11):
Yes, thank you.
Then I rest my case.
Mic drop, mic drop.
What did you?
Did you really eat something?
no, you're drinking burping, butI am drinking like an iced
coffee in a mug so this is not abooze and books, this is a
coffee, and books is one episodethis is caffeine overload.
Actually, now you have to callthis episode caffeine overload.
And then, jory, that's actuallysuch a fun one, because for the
(21:34):
booze and books ones that wedon't have booze and books, but
we just want to make it oneepisode we can just do like
caffeine overload colon.
Okay, wait, I'm, I need to textit to you now.
I need, I need to text it toyou now once.
I need to text it to you now.
I need, I need to text it toyou now once I need to text it
to you now one second.
I need to text it to you one now.
Okay, okay, um, caffeineoverload.
(21:55):
Yes, overload, kevin.
Also this.
This cover is actually reallycool the butcher and the
blackbird one right, it's socute and I want to buy it.
Jordan (22:07):
I might just have to buy it caffeine overload.
Fabienne (22:11):
You really have to buy it or you could just like
overlaid, I can't time for shitover it's now.
I can't time for shit.
Jordan (22:22):
Overload, overload, there we go okay, so like what I
do, like this, like this likethis elevated music.
Fabienne (22:38):
Elevated music.
Give it over.
Yes, okay, I feel like we got anew title dope.
Jordan (22:47):
I mean because I have to , I don't.
It says genie in a bottle.
But I have to say to the peopleout there, honestly, we have
not been drunk for one of thesein a long ass time no, this is
more of I say we rectify thatshit.
Fabienne (23:05):
but you know schedules haven't really been overlapping
, so yeah.
Jordan (23:12):
But we really do need to , so like we might just switch
these and these might just beCaffeine Overload episodes now
and then.
If we do get drunk then we willlet you know.
Fabienne (23:28):
Yes, and you'll actually know, based off the way
that we talk, Because I, forone, will mumble and stumble
even more than I already do Iwill not, you know like I will
not be able to find my words,and I'll just like stutter and
stutter and Stanley stutteringand just like tear off in a
distance and forgetting that wehave a podcast to record.
Jordan (23:49):
So, yeah, It'll be a great time.
Fabienne (23:52):
Oh, definitely, I don't know you have anything
else to add to Fourth Wing?
Jordan (24:01):
I think so.
I can't wait for Iron Flame.
Are you going to read IronFlame when it comes out?
Fabienne (24:06):
Fuck, yes, right.
Jordan (24:06):
Flame.
Are you going to read IronFlame when it comes out?
Fuck.
Yes, right answer, thank you.
Fabienne (24:13):
When is it actually coming out Asking for a?
Jordan (24:16):
friend, or November, it's like early November.
There's like the midnightrelease parties too.
Wait could you repeat that,because I didn't hear you it's
either november 7th or november8th, one of those two, um.
But there's like they're doinglike midnight release parties
(24:37):
too, and I think that's so cooland I midnight release parties.
Fabienne (24:42):
What is that?
Jordan (24:44):
well, it's like the last last time that there was one
after the last Harry Potter,like I think that was your mic
is completely fucked up, really.
Fabienne (24:57):
Oh no, wow, now apparently not anymore.
Now, oh OK, sorry, releaseparty.
Yes, I am on board.
Jordan (25:06):
I know I want to do it, but then I also don't know
anybody that would go with me.
So I also feel like the good,the really cool one would be in
New York, in Union Square, Ithink, because that's the one
that Rebecca Yaros would be at.
Fabienne (25:22):
That's actually really pretty, pretty fun.
Right, I sound so sarcastic,but if you, no, I'm not.
Even I'm not sarcastic.
I actually really like the ideaof having, like a night party.
Is that what you called it?
I'm sorry, I have Swiss, thankyou.
I have Swiss cheese for a brain.
(25:42):
I forget shit.
It's okay Midnight.
Jordan (25:46):
Midnight, but I think it's at like ten.
It's not quite at midnight,that is not midnight.
No, but maybe it's like ten tomidnight.
Oh, it's all of them.
Fabienne (25:57):
Kidding, kidding.
Jordan (26:01):
Not really.
Fabienne (26:04):
Only half, always half kidding, always half serious,
anyways.
Um well, do you just let meknow if maybe, maybe a person
wants to go?
You never know.
Jordan (26:16):
just just look at them sweetly and just say honey,
drive me to new york yeah, but Imean that one's probably sold
out now because that thosetickets went on sale today.
Oh, okay, but I think a lot ofbookstores are doing it, but
then I'm like I'd want to go tothe one in New York, you know.
Fabienne (26:37):
I know and I completely understand.
Jordan (26:40):
You know, I know.
Fabienne (26:44):
So fourth wing.
Why?
Um, okay, so can I?
Um, why is it called iron flame?
Do we know that?
We know fourth thing, becauseshe was in the fourth wing, yes.
Why is the second one callediron flame?
Jordan (26:58):
I think it is mentioned in here.
Do you know why are you sayingthat?
Because you want I.
Fabienne (27:03):
I do not.
I want an answer because I Idon't know, but you don't have
answer.
Jordan (27:06):
I do not, I want an answer because I don't know but
you don't have an answer.
I do not have.
I do think it was mentioned atsome point in here, but maybe
not because I don't have ananswer to give you, but I'm sure
we would know.
Get it, pop, get it.
Can you see me, pop's trying toget a fly?
(27:26):
There is one.
Those are the worst.
Fabienne (27:36):
I think I actually saw the shadow of a fly and not the
actual fly itself, so now Ihave no clue where it is.
Oh, good luck.
Jordan (27:44):
Good luck.
Fabienne (27:48):
Anyways, fly, fly, good luck, anyways, why Great
time?
Thank you, I said thank you,that does not make any sense,
sorry, but Iron Flame, ironFlame.
Okay, well, we'll just have towait for November, then that's
pretty soon, though.
Jordan (28:05):
I know this came out in May and then the next one's
coming out in November.
I think it's also supposed tobe five book.
What?
Fabienne (28:15):
She's spitting them out really quick Poo-ping.
That just sounds way funnier.
Jordan (28:20):
Poo-ping, but I think it's gonna be five books, five
yeah, be five books, five yeah Idid not know that.
Fabienne (28:33):
I thought it was just going to be like a three, three
series or something like threeno, I think it's gonna be five I
don't think I'm ready for thattype of commitment oh my god,
when liam died.
I did.
I did not know that I post, Iposted.
(28:53):
Did you see that one reel thatI posted on Instagram, where it
was like a live reaction,because I know that some people
said like you have to, you haveto film yourself if you read um,
or like you have to recordyourself if you feel wow.
No, I'm just like saying allwords all at once.
You have to record yourself ifyou feel wow, now, I'm just like
saying all words all at once.
You have to record yourself ifyou read this and this chapter,
(29:15):
and I did.
And then I'm like fuck, did Ijust read that right?
Did he just actually die?
Jordan (29:30):
But I was so mad.
I was like and he was like,take me to her because his
dragon died.
And oh my god, like because andthat was like a rider a dragon
can live without its rider, buta rider can't live without his
dragon.
And I was like this is horrible.
I love liam.
He deserved better.
And I was like how can you dothis to us?
And I was like you can make herbrother really dead.
Fabienne (29:52):
Just bring back liam just my brother, just like gif
is liam back yeah I know it wasdevastating, but you know I am
not.
I'm not a fan of authorsripping our hearts out by making
us love a certain sidecharacter and then, just like
(30:13):
you know, taking them away fromus to put it mildly exactly, but
how fucking dare you?
I will say.
It also shows how well rebeccawrites, because just with within
, like what's it?
We?
We only knew liam.
For like what?
10 chapters, 10-ish chapters.
Jordan (30:34):
No, I feel like we knew him from the beginning, Like
once they entered the warcollege.
Yeah, but he was a very sidecharacter, and then he became
more and more, but wasn't helike close?
Because Liam was the onewatching her.
And that's how we became moreattached to him.
Fabienne (30:56):
That is true.
No, you are correct, I know,but I will well, maybe because
he didn't have, I want to saylike he didn't have many lines,
like he's an actor, but hedidn't.
He didn't have like muchdialogue in the beginning.
Right, it only like progressed,if you will, from yeah, I want
to say half of the book give ortake.
Jordan (31:13):
Yeah, I do agree, because it almost was like you
got more and more as the bookwent along oh, christ you.
Fabienne (31:20):
You should be glad you're not sitting here with me.
I feel like I am sweating somuch and I stink, uh, oh sorry
that well that's I am.
Jordan (31:28):
I did take a shower, so I think I'm a little good there
but now I do yes, no, no.
Fabienne (31:40):
I want to finish.
I want to finish my thought.
No, no, that's okay, that'sokay, I'm sorry give it to me.
I just all at once.
I was just trying to say, orlike trying to explain, that it
attests I think that's the rightword, it attests to Rebecca's
skill plural of being a writerthat she can make us love Liam
(32:05):
so much without having him thatpresent in the beginning and
then ripping, rip him away fromus and like that was so fucking
emotional I was so sad I don'tfeel like I'm explaining this
right, but I hope that someonejust picks up on it and like yes
, I completely understand.
Jordan (32:27):
I like, I completely understand and I completely
agree with what you're sayingyeah, yeah, no, I do, because
it's like I was so angry and sadand devastated and it's like,
you're right, he's a sidecharacter and it just goes to
show how much, how well shewrites, because normally, like,
some characters can like die andyou just like don't care, but
(32:47):
then, like this one, I was likeso sad, I know.
But I do really want to read herother books, like I got in the
unlikely, no, in the likelyevent, but that's about a plane
crash and I don't think I wantto read about a plane crash, but
the things we Well, not before.
Fabienne (33:07):
April, you don't?
No, you got to fly over thepond Jordan, exactly.
So I can't do that, but got tofly over the pond Jordan,
exactly.
Jordan (33:12):
So I can't do that.
But the last letter, I think,is a military romance, so I
think I kind of want to readthat and I want to get them,
mm-hmm.
Fabienne (33:22):
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Military romance.
I don't think I've ever read amilitary romance.
I've only ever seen a militaryromance, and that was a Nicholas
Sparks movie.
Jordan (33:32):
There's a new Netflix movie that's the same girl from
White Lotus, the second seasonof White Lotus, and it's about
not military, but it is a plane,but not a plane crash, and I
(33:53):
can't remember the title, but Iwant to watch that.
I hope that was reallyexplanatory.
Fabienne (34:00):
It was not but in a way it was, but also it was not,
at least not to me, because Ihave not watched White Lotus yet
.
Oh then, yeah, that's nothelpful.
I am behind schedule and I liveon a rock sometime, that's okay
.
Jordan (34:17):
I just added the things we leave behind.
I don't know why I keep wantingto say the things we leave
behind.
It's the things we leaveunfinished.
Yeah, there's somethingcompletely else.
Yeah, but I keep saying it.
But I just added that to mycart.
Good for you see, if I buy it.
Thank you, you're welcome.
(34:37):
Okay, I'm gonna add you knowwhat letter?
Fabienne (34:42):
okay, yeah, I think we should probably wrap this up,
yep I agree, okay, glad you saidit, no kidding, because I can
talk for hours with you.
I can talk for hours with you.
Um, thank, can talk for hourswith you.
Thank you so much for listening.
Jordan (34:54):
And please don't forget to rate and review wherever you
can find us.
So catch you next time.
Bye.
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