July 21, 2025 • 27 mins
Have you ever found a romance novel so captivating that you physically couldn't put it down? That's exactly what happened with Ali Hazelwood's "Problematic Summer Romance." Set against the stunning backdrop of Sicily, this age gap romance brilliantly balances summer vibes with genuine emotional depth.
What makes this book stand out from countless other contemporary romances is how Hazelwood handles the age difference between Maya, a remarkably mature 23-year-old, and Conor (with one N), a man wrestling with his attraction to someone he believes is "too young."
We're both giving this book five enthusiastic stars, and we'd love to hear your thoughts if you've read it! Have you fallen for Conor with one N yet? Or are you planning to pick up this perfect summer read? Let us know in the reviews or reach out on social media – we can't wait to hear your take on this delightful romance.
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Jordan (00:08):
welcome to the bookish hour with jordan fob.
The floor is yours, jordan.
Why?
Fabienne (00:14):
is the floor mine.
The floor is yours no, it'syours because because of your
bad knee.
Jordan (00:23):
Sorry that was that, was that I don't, I don't the floor
, I don't, I don't get itbecause I'm on the floor.
Fabienne (00:32):
Well, I figured, since you can't walk or like stand up
.
I figured you know you want tomake the floor you no, no, I can
stand, I just can't sit.
Jordan (00:41):
and then, but if I'm standing, just if I just don't
move at all, just but if I'mstanding we're good.
Fabienne (00:44):
How remarkable.
If I just don't move at all,just like stand here and just
like do nothing, I'm good, okay,fair yeah.
Jordan (00:51):
I mean, it is hot as balls, so it's like I'd rather
do nothing.
It's like 90 degrees today, ohfuck.
Fabienne (00:57):
I can't do 90 degrees at this moment.
It's like a humid type ofweather too.
Jordan (01:04):
It's like it's disgusting except when I went
running this morning it was 72and you think it's way better,
but you would think that's stillhot, but it's actually because
the sun wasn't really up.
Fabienne (01:15):
It was great I love actually, like early morning
runs um also because the fusefor some time, like, for some
reason they're better like noone is out yet.
But just like you know,sometimes you still see like
these dew drops on like thegrass, like you know, whatever
you, wherever you are.
But it just has this very,almost serene feeling to the
(01:35):
world.
I'm gonna gonna go all poetichere, but I just love how it
feels.
It feels like you're like inyour own bubble, like when
you're like it feels like you'realone basically in the whole
world.
Just like you're alonebasically in the whole world
just before everyone wakes up,and I love it so much.
Jordan (01:49):
Or the only people you see are other runners.
I thought I loved early morningruns, but maybe early morning
runs just don't love me.
Fabienne (01:58):
True, yeah, sometimes it isn't for you.
You win some, you lose some.
I'm not really sure what youwant here, but I mean you did
gain a bad knee, so maybe just abad, you know bad ticket in the
lottery.
This doesn't make sense.
I'm sorry, I'll just I'll, I'llshut up, I'll shut up.
Jordan (02:19):
Uh, great weather it italy sorry, yes, well, besides
the wait, was there any storms?
I mean, they did have thevolcano erupting they did, they
did um so what are we talkingabout?
Fabienne (02:36):
fob today for book club we are talking about ali
hazelwood's latest release,Problematic Summer Romance.
Jordan (02:48):
Check, check question mark.
Okay, side note, before we getinto that, did you see the whole
drama that went down with AliHazelwood?
A little bit, yes, but itdidn't really get into the
standard of it.
People going at her because shesaid that PETA was useless in
the Hunger Games, which,honestly, now don't get me wrong
(03:09):
, I love PETA.
I love PETA with my whole heart.
He's like my favorite, butshe's not wrong.
He is fucking useless.
He literally gets captured bythe enemy to then be
reprogrammed, sent back toKatniss and now Katniss has to
fight the revolution as well asfighting PETeta off because
Peeta wants to kill her.
Did I just spoil the HungerGames trilogy to you?
I did, you did.
(03:32):
Are you mad about it?
No, no, because he's fuckinguseless.
Now, don't get me wrong, Istill.
I am team Peeta over team Galeany day, but he's fucking
useless.
And who cares?
Like why are people going atsomebody to the point that she
deleted Instagram to thisbecause people were going at her
(03:52):
?
Yeah, I saw that and I was likeI was, like I love, as Ali
Hazelwood, and if she stopswriting because of all you
fucking assholes, I'm coming.
I'm not going to come after you, but like I'm going to be very
disappointed.
Just very disappointed, let itbe known.
Did your parents never teachyou If you have nothing nice to
say, you say nothing at all.
Fabienne (04:13):
Oh my God, my parents literally did.
This is like their, theirstandard.
Saying like this is like if you, if you just don't have
anything nice to say or justlike anything to add, just just
sip it, sweetheart.
Jordan (04:23):
Exactly.
People just have these high,mighty horses when they're on
social media or the internet andthey think they can say
whatever the flipping they want.
I don't know why I chose not toswear there, but you know
priorities.
You got to play some.
Fabienne (04:37):
well, Exactly, but like yeah, it's shitty, but she
hasn't like reactivated herinstagram yet.
I felt like maybe this was likea you know like just to, I
guess, blow up some steam, orjust like for the other people
or you know who are rude and youknow like commenting my shit.
Jordan (04:55):
I feel like she might have reactivated it, but no she
might have now like the last Ichecked she didn't, but I did
see someone that's like close toher and I don't know how
accurate this is comment sayingthat she's actually doing really
well.
Fabienne (05:09):
She just didn't know how to disable comments, so she
just deleted instagram as awhole, but like, still, like I
think overall, it feels likesuch an us move too, by the way,
like you're just not getting it, yeah, but I'm like my thing is
is like also like no, she'sstill not back, Okay, but I'm
(05:31):
like don't need to be mean.
Jordan (05:36):
Don't need to be mean, I just had to comment on that.
But now we could talk about, Ifeel like half the users of.
Fabienne (05:43):
Sorry.
One last remark I feel likehalf of the uses on instagram,
especially like in, you know,the book community, are just.
I feel like 65 is like trolls,you know, at this point.
Jordan (05:53):
Like also there's so much fucking drama like in the
book world right now.
Like, have you noticed, girl?
Fabienne (06:01):
maybe not no, I have not been.
No, I have not, you have beenthere.
I mean, I will say, though,this entire theme, I feel like
we are talking, obviously, stillabout problematic summer
romance, but I feel likeproblematic is like the overall
theme here.
So, no, I have not heard aboutthe drama.
Please lay it on me.
I want to be, you know, kept inthe loop.
Jordan (06:22):
I feel like that we need our own episode for that one.
Okay, fair, kept in a loop Ifeel like that we need our own
episode for that one.
Okay, fair, we're gonna putthis on hold and we're gonna go.
Fabienne (06:31):
Yes, we'll come back.
We're gonna circle back to theromance yes, problematic summer
romance by ali hazelwood miss,miss, pick me, pick me.
Um, yeah, what I absolutelyloved about this age gap romance
(06:53):
is that it was so, so,incredibly well written.
Like you know, there's tons ofage gap romances that are good,
there are fun.
You know automatic five-starrates because you enjoy them so
much.
The vibe there, you know it'slike a good.
But I feel like the age gap waslike almost a character itself
here, like it was so often noted, uh, like noted on, like uh
(07:15):
talked about, like it was anactual issue yes, but it wasn't
in a way that I was getting sickof it, because you could
clearly feel that he was so like.
Jordan (07:25):
He like held on to this, like you're too young for me,
even though she acted well aboveher age.
She didn't act like a young,early 20 year old, cause she was
like 23, but she like actedolder.
You could tell she was so smart, she like knew her own and like
everything, but he was like no,you're still too young for me.
(07:46):
Like there's, I like you needto be with someone your age.
I should be someone like closerto my age and I think like, but
he still like was so attractedto her and he still like I mean
she acted older than her age.
So like he like, like likedhanging out with her, like liked
(08:09):
hanging out with her and I justuh, I am typically not, one for
the age gap, but like this oneworked like I, but usually
they're acting like a, whateverage they are, and I feel like
she actually acted like shecould have been in her like 30s
oh, definitely.
Fabienne (08:24):
I mean, sometimes, when you read like characters I
know that we've talked aboutthis before too, and this is
like not even this book.
This is just like overall, likesort of like a general remark
when we read about charactersthat are actually like younger
than us, you know, we sort of wesort of like up their age in
our heads anyways.
So the way that you read thischaracter in a book, you make it
(08:47):
sound like you are that person.
Does this make sense?
Like you?
Not that you're trying to, Iguess, imagine yourself as this
person, but you try to add yourown character onto this person.
So the way that someone wouldsay something, you say it like
the way you would say it.
So then, that way, this isprobably a very, very confusing
(09:10):
way of describing it, but you'remaking the character older.
Oh, wait, fuck it.
I'm not even going to explainthis anymore.
No, scrap this.
Just ignore this.
Ignore all this.
Ignore this monologue.
What I wanted to say is that Ifeel like Maya kind of was me as
in, like the way that she wouldreact or respond or like handle
(09:31):
things Like, oh, I see me doingthis.
You know, I would say somethinglike this too.
So yeah, she was definitely oldand she's like 22.
Because I'm 31.
Sorry, yes.
Jordan (09:44):
No, I like it.
No because and I think this iswhere where, like, the big words
didn't bother me either,because it was like the big
words that I had to Googlebecause I did not know what they
meant.
It didn't bother me because,like, she's supposed to be this,
like super smart, not sayingthat, oh my God, and the fact
that we got Lucas and that wasso fun.
Fabienne (10:08):
I love these little bits.
Jordan (10:11):
Me too, when she was like oh, the German, and she
goes, he's Swedish.
And she's like oh, oops, likeI'm like actually laughing out
loud, or like the beginning,when she's like the three C's
and then, like for pretending tobe like sick, she mentions like
the three C's.
And then it was like a C word, ac word, not a c word, and she's
(10:31):
like oh, she said that veryseriously, like I was laughing
out loud to these parts I likemy.
I don't have my book in my handso I can't like read the lines
which I'm very disappointed inright now.
Fabienne (10:41):
She like implements, like humor so well, so
fantastically.
Jordan (10:47):
Yes, yes, it's literally so good and I I think the whole
vibe of this book like beingset in italy for like her
brother's wedding, and I'm like,I'm like it's summertime here
and it's just like the vibes andI I freaking love connor with
(11:07):
one n so fun, so much we have to.
Fabienne (11:11):
We have to make note of this.
This is connor, with one n guys, he's higher.
One n's irish one.
I have the quote, by the way um, the most effective way to
avoid a commitment is an ill onethat meets three c's cringe,
contagious and, above all, quickwait, but then read what
happened after what happened?
(11:33):
I blink, she does not falter.
Your illness must befall you sosuddenly.
You could not have anticipatedit.
Wait, you don't.
You don't really see it.
She's just like.
Jordan (11:40):
I blink, she does not falter that had me laughing so
hard because she's like shedoesn't have a boxer and it's
just like I feel like it's so,like it fits that character too,
and I don't know.
Like, when she like meets Lucasand she's like, okay, pretend
to flirt with me.
And he's like my girlfriend'snot going to like that, but he
(12:01):
does.
And then she calls him theGerman and then like the
girlfriend Scarlett, right,scarlett, yes, yeah, she comes,
him the german.
And then like the girlfriendscarlet, scarlet, right, scarlet
, yes, yeah, she comes over andshe goes, he's swedish.
And she's like, oh, oops, likeI loved that and I love that we
got them.
And then I don't know if wejust got, we just loved, we just
loved everything I, I um.
(12:23):
What did you rate this?
Fabienne (12:26):
oh, a definite five stars, oh my god dang so good.
Jordan (12:30):
I need like everybody to read this book God.
Fabienne (12:34):
I genuinely really loved it.
Jordan (12:36):
I think like a two.
Fabienne (12:37):
But it really was.
I honestly I haven't felt abouta book like this, just so
optimistic, just like so, youknow.
So I don't know like excited, Imean sure, sure it is just this
is all between eric quotes, bythe way just a summer read, but
but it's just so, it's so muchmore good.
Jordan (12:57):
yes, I so, um, I so okay .
So like, usually when I like getsucked into a book where I like
can't put it down and I want tokeep reading it, it tends to be
like a fantasy, because I getsucked into the world building
and the action and the adventureand all that stuff that I
always equate that sort offeeling with a fantasy book,
(13:19):
because then I think of likeSarah J Maas and how I would get
lost in these books, but I likedon't, like it can happen with
a contemporary romance, becausethe same thing happened with
deep end.
I love deep end, but like therewere things that I like didn't
totally love, so that was like a4.5 stars.
But then, like this one was thesame thing, like I got sucked,
ini didn't want to stop readingit, like I was here for the
(13:41):
vibes and I was like, no, so itdoesn't just happen with fantasy
.
I just need to find the rightcontemporary romances or other
not fantasy books.
But like, oh my gosh, like itwas so good, like I couldn't put
it down and like I wanted to bein Italy with them and I just
wanted.
I was like Connor, suck it up,be with her and.
(14:02):
I was like and then like oh, thelike, the first time he like
touches her and it's like incollege and you know he like, he
was like like he loved it, butlike he didn't want to love it
and like, oh, I think that wasjust like done perfectly and the
(14:22):
discipline like the selfrestraint this guy has.
Fabienne (14:25):
By the way, I need some of that Connor with one N.
Jordan (14:28):
Yeah, just the Con Connor with one N.
Fabienne (14:30):
Yeah, just the Connors with one N, I guess.
So we need to find thoseConnors with one N.
Put it on your Tinder profile,not yours, just like in general.
You know we already havesomeone, but it's just like if
you're looking for someone, justlook for a Connor with one N,
sorry.
(14:56):
I guess it's just the connorwith one n sorry this and make
them fictional also.
Yes, that might help too, maybebecause he's made of paper very
good paper, though, greatquality, no one connor, that
book, I don't have it, but theflop of it, um, oh, you had the
paperback.
Jordan (15:07):
Oh, yes, you need to get the paperback, bob, do I?
Fabienne (15:12):
yes, yes honey, look at these shells.
I don't care, honey, I listen,babe, listen, shut up, listen.
Fuck jor christ, I actually, Ialphabetized, I alphabetized all
these bad bitches and I like,it took me eight hours, eight,
(15:34):
and there's like a shelf on theother side because I wanted to
have structure in my life andthis was my, my, my.
so I don't, I don't have, Idon't have where I don't have.
Where's the H?
Wait, let me find the H realquick.
I'm going to give you the grandview.
(15:55):
Yes, h, a, b, c, d, e, f, g.
Then I'm lost.
Jordan (15:57):
A, b- C, d, E, f G.
Fabienne (15:59):
A, b, C, d, e, F, g.
Wait, let me just AKA, ha.
Oh, here, right next to ourbeloved Colleen Hoover.
Jordan (16:11):
Oh yeah, just take out one of those Colleen Hoovers and
slip in an Allie Hazelwood.
Fabienne (16:16):
Honestly, that is going to be the best trade ever.
Yes, honestly.
Now I have room for a lot ofbooks.
Just take this entire chum topick up.
Jordan (16:27):
You could put so many Allie Hazelwoods in there, so
many.
Fabienne (16:33):
You know what's funny?
Remember, yes, so funny.
You know what's funny?
Remember, like way back when westarted Bookstagram and I went
to spain and I said, oh, I wait,I brought this book with me,
(16:54):
like elena de armas.
Um, yes, the spanish lovedeception love deception.
Uh, I was like I I am gonna waitto read this book until I am
actually in spain.
And then I did and it wasfantastic because the vibe is
there, the book is there, youknow, the narrative is there, it
all comes together and you canreally like immerse yourself in
a story because it takes placein Spain and you're in Spain
(17:16):
physically.
But I could not wait to readthis book until this summer,
because I'm going to Sicily too.
Did I tell you this?
Jordan (17:34):
Oh, you didn't.
Oh, did I not?
When are you going to?
Fabienne (17:35):
sicily.
What wait?
I was trying to look at thetime stamp, but I'm just too
slow.
Did I actually not tell youthat I was going to Sicily?
No, you texted me.
Jordan (17:46):
I wasn't sure if I was.
I wasn't sure if I was supposedto pretend that you didn't
because you texted me and I waslike, oh, am I supposed to
pretend that you didn't?
No, no, never pretend with menever.
Fabienne (18:02):
Yes, you did.
Oh wow, what a coincidence.
I'm just gonna leave something.
I think that's gonna be funny.
This I'm gonna cut out, um, butI was like I'm not gonna.
I'm not gonna wait until, like,the end of summer because I
have to read it.
Jordan (18:17):
Wait, no, I'm pretty sure I started reading it and I
was, and you were like, oh, oh,I'm going to read it.
And then you started and youwere like, fuck, I'm going to
Sicily.
I should have waited.
And I was like, uh, well, now Ineed you to read it Cause I'm
loving it.
And then you read it and youcould.
Fabienne (18:32):
Yeah, maybe you're just going to do a read.
No, I'm not going to do it.
I was going to gonna say that,but then I'm like you're not
gonna do reread because Iwouldn't.
No, no, which one of sound mind, even just like reread a
contemporary romance?
I don't.
I don't think those books arelike they're worth reading,
obviously, but they're notpossibly like worth rereading.
Jordan (18:54):
I feel like fantasies only are yeah, I don't know,
like, like I could see myself,like maybe, no, I'm like maybe I
would listen to like theaudiobook, but I'm like I don't
think I would.
Like I loved it and like I'mafraid that now if I were to
reread it, I wouldn't love itthe same as I loved it the first
time, because now you knoweverything but fantasy.
(19:17):
I feel like there's so much youmiss in a fantasy the first
time you read it.
So like the second time, well,like a good fantasy, yeah, Side
note you know, just any fantasy,Just a good fantasy.
A good fantasy, a good to youcan be different than good to
other people, but that is verytrue, it's all subjective.
Fabienne (19:36):
Yes, agreed, sorry you , but this one's so good, so
everybody needs to go read ityes, please, honestly.
After deep end, and having readthis one, you know my thoughts
on bride.
I'm not even going to touchthat.
I am definitely a hazelwoodstan I love her me too.
Jordan (20:01):
Now, don't get me wrong, I don't think I'll go back.
I think I'm gonna read not inlove, so not.
So.
Not in love is book one to thenot in love series and
technically problematic summerromance is book two.
So like it's her brother andrue like their story and
supposedly that one's reallygood.
(20:21):
So I think I'll go back andread that one.
But I don't think I could dolike the love hypothesis or love
theory like those first few,because I I think like the
miscommunication tropes likepretty heavy in those like these
ones like work because there'sno miscommunication.
It's like some excuse me, Iburped that's, but it like okay,
(20:44):
you do, you, thank you.
Like the third act breakup issomething else.
Well, there is no third actbreakup because it's something
else.
So, like the climax, like theproblem that's in the book is
like something that can actuallybe like I don't want to say
real, because miscommunicationis real, but like I'm glad it's
not miscommunication, it issomething else that draws them
(21:07):
apart or whatever happens youdon't know what happens yet,
though right you say, becausesomething else happens.
Fabienne (21:18):
oh, oh, no, no, it was just like you were saying.
Jordan (21:20):
No, no, like the more recent ones where I think the
earlier ones like, the issue ismiscommunication, yeah.
Fabienne (21:29):
Ironically, this wasn't miscommunication.
It was, but like we talked itout.
Jordan (21:36):
There was no miscommunication.
Fabienne (21:38):
That went on for days no third eye breakup too, you
know, just like two adultstalking it out.
Jordan (21:45):
Exactly, exactly.
But I love this, I love thisone.
Fabienne (21:51):
It's so good.
I feel like I have somethingelse to say, but for some reason
it just keeps slipping my mind.
Let me just quickly go back tomy highlighted quotes.
On this one, how do I do?
Oh, here, annotations.
Hey, it's the Kindle app.
Is that updated?
Sorry, just.
Jordan (22:15):
It's a good question.
Fabienne (22:18):
I read the paperback.
Oh wait, this is actually.
I had to think about you when Iwas reading this part.
Um, I can't see.
Oh, it's on page 131,apparently, at least it's on the
version, um, but she's oh,christ, fuck, where is it?
It's gone.
Oh, this is so chaos, I'm sosorry.
Oh, okay, here's quote.
So I think she's standing, um,she's looking like at mount etna
(22:43):
, standing on this ionianshoreline, and she says I think
about all the men and womentheater, the greeks who sailed
all the way over here and foundthe one place too beautiful to
leave.
And I was like I I had to thinkof like greek, greek mythology
and like how people actuallylike back in the day where we're
like sailing the world, youknow, just finding their new
(23:04):
home, and I'm I don't know,because you love, you are like
obsessed with Greek mythologyand I just had to think about
you at this moment.
I just want to say that youknow just, thank you.
Jordan (23:17):
I like that.
I like that.
I love Greek mythology.
I know you do.
I feel like I read it so longago.
I don't totally remember thatpart, but I'm glad you thought
of me for it.
Fabienne (23:28):
Honey, I think about you all the time, I just don't
dare to say it.
Or comic books is weird orcreepy, but you know, back at
you Cat's out of the bag now,but I'm, it's funny also.
Um, I know that, like, mountetna is like one of the most
active volcanoes in like europe,but it actually erupted not too
(23:49):
long ago.
Did you, did you hear aboutthat?
No, so when we were readingthis, or at least when I still
was reading, reading it, I thinkyou were done a lot quicker
than I was um, but as I wasreading it, I was like, oh my
god, like not two days ago, themount and like mount etna
erupted, and it erupted in abook too, which I thought was a
(24:15):
huge coincidence.
Jordan (24:17):
So you just wanted to.
Fabienne (24:20):
Just I like um, just want to add a little bit there.
Jordan (24:23):
No, I liked it, I liked it.
I have nothing to add because Ididn't know that.
But like whoa um, but I don'tknow if you read the
acknowledgements, she was gonnamake this like a little baby, a
novella, and I'm like, thank god, honey.
You're asking me, do I read theacknowledges?
No, I.
Fabienne (24:39):
Honey, you're asking me do I read the Acknowledgers?
No, I do not.
You're lucky that I read theepilogue, which I also almost
don't normally, you know.
But this novella, no, no, Idon't see it.
Jordan (24:52):
But like, apparently, like when she was like writing
Not In Love, like the brotherstory, someone was like Maya and
Connor need their story, and soI guess she kind of started it,
which was like a novella, andthen they just got so much more
and I'm like thank fuck, theydid yes, yes, I can see you're
(25:13):
very passionate about it.
I love it I I don't know whatit is, but I freaking love this
book you were also pretty like,still passionate about how PETA
was useless.
Fabienne (25:22):
back when the Hunger Games came out, I felt like that
was just been stirring a littlebit too often right below the
surface, before it just eruptedlike your own personal Mount
Edna?
Jordan (25:32):
Honestly though, yes, because ever since someone told
me the next day when thathappened and she canceled her or
she deactivated Instagram ordeleted her, whatever she did, I
was like because, like so manypeople came out being like I'm
team Gail, so like, do you hateme?
Now too, and I'm like what I'mlike, don't I'm, I'm team PETA.
(25:55):
All the way, like I love PETA,I love PETA, but I'm like she's
not wrong Fucking useless.
Fabienne (26:03):
A certain hint of truth there.
Jordan (26:05):
Yes, yeah, like, but like I'm also like I love PETA,
so like all these people thatare coming at her that are like
team PETA, I'm like I'm, I lovePETA, but like she's not wrong
and like be nice, so like I havebeen sitting on that for a
while but I kind of forgot aboutit until we started this uh
episode and then I was like,fuck, wait, I need to discuss,
(26:26):
need to talk about it and herewe are.
Fabienne (26:31):
Here we are, nice, full circle, sort of sort of um.
I don't really have anythingmore to add on the story, just
just that I fucking loved it.
Gave it a different five stars.
Five stars.
Would love to be able to rereadit, but I was never gonna.
Would you love a Connor?
Jordan (26:50):
with one N.
Fabienne (26:52):
Yeah.
Jordan (26:52):
Connor with one N is the shit and fictional Paper.
Connor with one N.
Fabienne (26:58):
I don't want any.
Jordan (26:59):
Connor with one N's coming in my DMs being like I'm
a Connor with one N, paperConnor with one N.
I don't want any Connor withone N's coming in my DM's being
like I'm a Connor with one N.
No, no unless you're made ofpaper.
Fabienne (27:06):
I don't want it, but you're not existent to me.
You're not even a Connor.
Just don't, just no, just noturn around just no peace out.
Jordan (27:18):
Thank you so much for listening and please don't
forget to rate and reviewwherever you can find us, so
catch you next time Bye.
welcome to the bookish hour with jordan fob.
The floor is yours, jordan.
Why?
Fabienne (00:14):
is the floor mine.
The floor is yours no, it'syours because because of your
bad knee.
Jordan (00:23):
Sorry that was that, was that I don't, I don't the floor
, I don't, I don't get itbecause I'm on the floor.
Fabienne (00:32):
Well, I figured, since you can't walk or like stand up
.
I figured you know you want tomake the floor you no, no, I can
stand, I just can't sit.
Jordan (00:41):
and then, but if I'm standing, just if I just don't
move at all, just but if I'mstanding we're good.
Fabienne (00:44):
How remarkable.
If I just don't move at all,just like stand here and just
like do nothing, I'm good, okay,fair yeah.
Jordan (00:51):
I mean, it is hot as balls, so it's like I'd rather
do nothing.
It's like 90 degrees today, ohfuck.
Fabienne (00:57):
I can't do 90 degrees at this moment.
It's like a humid type ofweather too.
Jordan (01:04):
It's like it's disgusting except when I went
running this morning it was 72and you think it's way better,
but you would think that's stillhot, but it's actually because
the sun wasn't really up.
Fabienne (01:15):
It was great I love actually, like early morning
runs um also because the fusefor some time, like, for some
reason they're better like noone is out yet.
But just like you know,sometimes you still see like
these dew drops on like thegrass, like you know, whatever
you, wherever you are.
But it just has this very,almost serene feeling to the
(01:35):
world.
I'm gonna gonna go all poetichere, but I just love how it
feels.
It feels like you're like inyour own bubble, like when
you're like it feels like you'realone basically in the whole
world.
Just like you're alonebasically in the whole world
just before everyone wakes up,and I love it so much.
Jordan (01:49):
Or the only people you see are other runners.
I thought I loved early morningruns, but maybe early morning
runs just don't love me.
Fabienne (01:58):
True, yeah, sometimes it isn't for you.
You win some, you lose some.
I'm not really sure what youwant here, but I mean you did
gain a bad knee, so maybe just abad, you know bad ticket in the
lottery.
This doesn't make sense.
I'm sorry, I'll just I'll, I'llshut up, I'll shut up.
Jordan (02:19):
Uh, great weather it italy sorry, yes, well, besides
the wait, was there any storms?
I mean, they did have thevolcano erupting they did, they
did um so what are we talkingabout?
Fabienne (02:36):
fob today for book club we are talking about ali
hazelwood's latest release,Problematic Summer Romance.
Jordan (02:48):
Check, check question mark.
Okay, side note, before we getinto that, did you see the whole
drama that went down with AliHazelwood?
A little bit, yes, but itdidn't really get into the
standard of it.
People going at her because shesaid that PETA was useless in
the Hunger Games, which,honestly, now don't get me wrong
(03:09):
, I love PETA.
I love PETA with my whole heart.
He's like my favorite, butshe's not wrong.
He is fucking useless.
He literally gets captured bythe enemy to then be
reprogrammed, sent back toKatniss and now Katniss has to
fight the revolution as well asfighting PETeta off because
Peeta wants to kill her.
Did I just spoil the HungerGames trilogy to you?
I did, you did.
(03:32):
Are you mad about it?
No, no, because he's fuckinguseless.
Now, don't get me wrong, Istill.
I am team Peeta over team Galeany day, but he's fucking
useless.
And who cares?
Like why are people going atsomebody to the point that she
deleted Instagram to thisbecause people were going at her
(03:52):
?
Yeah, I saw that and I was likeI was, like I love, as Ali
Hazelwood, and if she stopswriting because of all you
fucking assholes, I'm coming.
I'm not going to come after you, but like I'm going to be very
disappointed.
Just very disappointed, let itbe known.
Did your parents never teachyou If you have nothing nice to
say, you say nothing at all.
Fabienne (04:13):
Oh my God, my parents literally did.
This is like their, theirstandard.
Saying like this is like if you, if you just don't have
anything nice to say or justlike anything to add, just just
sip it, sweetheart.
Jordan (04:23):
Exactly.
People just have these high,mighty horses when they're on
social media or the internet andthey think they can say
whatever the flipping they want.
I don't know why I chose not toswear there, but you know
priorities.
You got to play some.
Fabienne (04:37):
well, Exactly, but like yeah, it's shitty, but she
hasn't like reactivated herinstagram yet.
I felt like maybe this was likea you know like just to, I
guess, blow up some steam, orjust like for the other people
or you know who are rude and youknow like commenting my shit.
Jordan (04:55):
I feel like she might have reactivated it, but no she
might have now like the last Ichecked she didn't, but I did
see someone that's like close toher and I don't know how
accurate this is comment sayingthat she's actually doing really
well.
Fabienne (05:09):
She just didn't know how to disable comments, so she
just deleted instagram as awhole, but like, still, like I
think overall, it feels likesuch an us move too, by the way,
like you're just not getting it, yeah, but I'm like my thing is
is like also like no, she'sstill not back, Okay, but I'm
(05:31):
like don't need to be mean.
Jordan (05:36):
Don't need to be mean, I just had to comment on that.
But now we could talk about, Ifeel like half the users of.
Fabienne (05:43):
Sorry.
One last remark I feel likehalf of the uses on instagram,
especially like in, you know,the book community, are just.
I feel like 65 is like trolls,you know, at this point.
Jordan (05:53):
Like also there's so much fucking drama like in the
book world right now.
Like, have you noticed, girl?
Fabienne (06:01):
maybe not no, I have not been.
No, I have not, you have beenthere.
I mean, I will say, though,this entire theme, I feel like
we are talking, obviously, stillabout problematic summer
romance, but I feel likeproblematic is like the overall
theme here.
So, no, I have not heard aboutthe drama.
Please lay it on me.
I want to be, you know, kept inthe loop.
Jordan (06:22):
I feel like that we need our own episode for that one.
Okay, fair, kept in a loop Ifeel like that we need our own
episode for that one.
Okay, fair, we're gonna putthis on hold and we're gonna go.
Fabienne (06:31):
Yes, we'll come back.
We're gonna circle back to theromance yes, problematic summer
romance by ali hazelwood miss,miss, pick me, pick me.
Um, yeah, what I absolutelyloved about this age gap romance
(06:53):
is that it was so, so,incredibly well written.
Like you know, there's tons ofage gap romances that are good,
there are fun.
You know automatic five-starrates because you enjoy them so
much.
The vibe there, you know it'slike a good.
But I feel like the age gap waslike almost a character itself
here, like it was so often noted, uh, like noted on, like uh
(07:15):
talked about, like it was anactual issue yes, but it wasn't
in a way that I was getting sickof it, because you could
clearly feel that he was so like.
Jordan (07:25):
He like held on to this, like you're too young for me,
even though she acted well aboveher age.
She didn't act like a young,early 20 year old, cause she was
like 23, but she like actedolder.
You could tell she was so smart, she like knew her own and like
everything, but he was like no,you're still too young for me.
(07:46):
Like there's, I like you needto be with someone your age.
I should be someone like closerto my age and I think like, but
he still like was so attractedto her and he still like I mean
she acted older than her age.
So like he like, like likedhanging out with her, like liked
(08:09):
hanging out with her and I justuh, I am typically not, one for
the age gap, but like this oneworked like I, but usually
they're acting like a, whateverage they are, and I feel like
she actually acted like shecould have been in her like 30s
oh, definitely.
Fabienne (08:24):
I mean, sometimes, when you read like characters I
know that we've talked aboutthis before too, and this is
like not even this book.
This is just like overall, likesort of like a general remark
when we read about charactersthat are actually like younger
than us, you know, we sort of wesort of like up their age in
our heads anyways.
So the way that you read thischaracter in a book, you make it
(08:47):
sound like you are that person.
Does this make sense?
Like you?
Not that you're trying to, Iguess, imagine yourself as this
person, but you try to add yourown character onto this person.
So the way that someone wouldsay something, you say it like
the way you would say it.
So then, that way, this isprobably a very, very confusing
(09:10):
way of describing it, but you'remaking the character older.
Oh, wait, fuck it.
I'm not even going to explainthis anymore.
No, scrap this.
Just ignore this.
Ignore all this.
Ignore this monologue.
What I wanted to say is that Ifeel like Maya kind of was me as
in, like the way that she wouldreact or respond or like handle
(09:31):
things Like, oh, I see me doingthis.
You know, I would say somethinglike this too.
So yeah, she was definitely oldand she's like 22.
Because I'm 31.
Sorry, yes.
Jordan (09:44):
No, I like it.
No because and I think this iswhere where, like, the big words
didn't bother me either,because it was like the big
words that I had to Googlebecause I did not know what they
meant.
It didn't bother me because,like, she's supposed to be this,
like super smart, not sayingthat, oh my God, and the fact
that we got Lucas and that wasso fun.
Fabienne (10:08):
I love these little bits.
Jordan (10:11):
Me too, when she was like oh, the German, and she
goes, he's Swedish.
And she's like oh, oops, likeI'm like actually laughing out
loud, or like the beginning,when she's like the three C's
and then, like for pretending tobe like sick, she mentions like
the three C's.
And then it was like a C word, ac word, not a c word, and she's
(10:31):
like oh, she said that veryseriously, like I was laughing
out loud to these parts I likemy.
I don't have my book in my handso I can't like read the lines
which I'm very disappointed inright now.
Fabienne (10:41):
She like implements, like humor so well, so
fantastically.
Jordan (10:47):
Yes, yes, it's literally so good and I I think the whole
vibe of this book like beingset in italy for like her
brother's wedding, and I'm like,I'm like it's summertime here
and it's just like the vibes andI I freaking love connor with
(11:07):
one n so fun, so much we have to.
Fabienne (11:11):
We have to make note of this.
This is connor, with one n guys, he's higher.
One n's irish one.
I have the quote, by the way um, the most effective way to
avoid a commitment is an ill onethat meets three c's cringe,
contagious and, above all, quickwait, but then read what
happened after what happened?
(11:33):
I blink, she does not falter.
Your illness must befall you sosuddenly.
You could not have anticipatedit.
Wait, you don't.
You don't really see it.
She's just like.
Jordan (11:40):
I blink, she does not falter that had me laughing so
hard because she's like shedoesn't have a boxer and it's
just like I feel like it's so,like it fits that character too,
and I don't know.
Like, when she like meets Lucasand she's like, okay, pretend
to flirt with me.
And he's like my girlfriend'snot going to like that, but he
(12:01):
does.
And then she calls him theGerman and then like the
girlfriend Scarlett, right,scarlett, yes, yeah, she comes,
him the german.
And then like the girlfriendscarlet, scarlet, right, scarlet
, yes, yeah, she comes over andshe goes, he's swedish.
And she's like, oh, oops, likeI loved that and I love that we
got them.
And then I don't know if wejust got, we just loved, we just
loved everything I, I um.
(12:23):
What did you rate this?
Fabienne (12:26):
oh, a definite five stars, oh my god dang so good.
Jordan (12:30):
I need like everybody to read this book God.
Fabienne (12:34):
I genuinely really loved it.
Jordan (12:36):
I think like a two.
Fabienne (12:37):
But it really was.
I honestly I haven't felt abouta book like this, just so
optimistic, just like so, youknow.
So I don't know like excited, Imean sure, sure it is just this
is all between eric quotes, bythe way just a summer read, but
but it's just so, it's so muchmore good.
Jordan (12:57):
yes, I so, um, I so okay .
So like, usually when I like getsucked into a book where I like
can't put it down and I want tokeep reading it, it tends to be
like a fantasy, because I getsucked into the world building
and the action and the adventureand all that stuff that I
always equate that sort offeeling with a fantasy book,
(13:19):
because then I think of likeSarah J Maas and how I would get
lost in these books, but I likedon't, like it can happen with
a contemporary romance, becausethe same thing happened with
deep end.
I love deep end, but like therewere things that I like didn't
totally love, so that was like a4.5 stars.
But then, like this one was thesame thing, like I got sucked,
ini didn't want to stop readingit, like I was here for the
(13:41):
vibes and I was like, no, so itdoesn't just happen with fantasy
.
I just need to find the rightcontemporary romances or other
not fantasy books.
But like, oh my gosh, like itwas so good, like I couldn't put
it down and like I wanted to bein Italy with them and I just
wanted.
I was like Connor, suck it up,be with her and.
(14:02):
I was like and then like oh, thelike, the first time he like
touches her and it's like incollege and you know he like, he
was like like he loved it, butlike he didn't want to love it
and like, oh, I think that wasjust like done perfectly and the
(14:22):
discipline like the selfrestraint this guy has.
Fabienne (14:25):
By the way, I need some of that Connor with one N.
Jordan (14:28):
Yeah, just the Con Connor with one N.
Fabienne (14:30):
Yeah, just the Connors with one N, I guess.
So we need to find thoseConnors with one N.
Put it on your Tinder profile,not yours, just like in general.
You know we already havesomeone, but it's just like if
you're looking for someone, justlook for a Connor with one N,
sorry.
(14:56):
I guess it's just the connorwith one n sorry this and make
them fictional also.
Yes, that might help too, maybebecause he's made of paper very
good paper, though, greatquality, no one connor, that
book, I don't have it, but theflop of it, um, oh, you had the
paperback.
Jordan (15:07):
Oh, yes, you need to get the paperback, bob, do I?
Fabienne (15:12):
yes, yes honey, look at these shells.
I don't care, honey, I listen,babe, listen, shut up, listen.
Fuck jor christ, I actually, Ialphabetized, I alphabetized all
these bad bitches and I like,it took me eight hours, eight,
(15:34):
and there's like a shelf on theother side because I wanted to
have structure in my life andthis was my, my, my.
so I don't, I don't have, Idon't have where I don't have.
Where's the H?
Wait, let me find the H realquick.
I'm going to give you the grandview.
(15:55):
Yes, h, a, b, c, d, e, f, g.
Then I'm lost.
Jordan (15:57):
A, b- C, d, E, f G.
Fabienne (15:59):
A, b, C, d, e, F, g.
Wait, let me just AKA, ha.
Oh, here, right next to ourbeloved Colleen Hoover.
Jordan (16:11):
Oh yeah, just take out one of those Colleen Hoovers and
slip in an Allie Hazelwood.
Fabienne (16:16):
Honestly, that is going to be the best trade ever.
Yes, honestly.
Now I have room for a lot ofbooks.
Just take this entire chum topick up.
Jordan (16:27):
You could put so many Allie Hazelwoods in there, so
many.
Fabienne (16:33):
You know what's funny?
Remember, yes, so funny.
You know what's funny?
Remember, like way back when westarted Bookstagram and I went
to spain and I said, oh, I wait,I brought this book with me,
(16:54):
like elena de armas.
Um, yes, the spanish lovedeception love deception.
Uh, I was like I I am gonna waitto read this book until I am
actually in spain.
And then I did and it wasfantastic because the vibe is
there, the book is there, youknow, the narrative is there, it
all comes together and you canreally like immerse yourself in
a story because it takes placein Spain and you're in Spain
(17:16):
physically.
But I could not wait to readthis book until this summer,
because I'm going to Sicily too.
Did I tell you this?
Jordan (17:34):
Oh, you didn't.
Oh, did I not?
When are you going to?
Fabienne (17:35):
sicily.
What wait?
I was trying to look at thetime stamp, but I'm just too
slow.
Did I actually not tell youthat I was going to Sicily?
No, you texted me.
Jordan (17:46):
I wasn't sure if I was.
I wasn't sure if I was supposedto pretend that you didn't
because you texted me and I waslike, oh, am I supposed to
pretend that you didn't?
No, no, never pretend with menever.
Fabienne (18:02):
Yes, you did.
Oh wow, what a coincidence.
I'm just gonna leave something.
I think that's gonna be funny.
This I'm gonna cut out, um, butI was like I'm not gonna.
I'm not gonna wait until, like,the end of summer because I
have to read it.
Jordan (18:17):
Wait, no, I'm pretty sure I started reading it and I
was, and you were like, oh, oh,I'm going to read it.
And then you started and youwere like, fuck, I'm going to
Sicily.
I should have waited.
And I was like, uh, well, now Ineed you to read it Cause I'm
loving it.
And then you read it and youcould.
Fabienne (18:32):
Yeah, maybe you're just going to do a read.
No, I'm not going to do it.
I was going to gonna say that,but then I'm like you're not
gonna do reread because Iwouldn't.
No, no, which one of sound mind, even just like reread a
contemporary romance?
I don't.
I don't think those books arelike they're worth reading,
obviously, but they're notpossibly like worth rereading.
Jordan (18:54):
I feel like fantasies only are yeah, I don't know,
like, like I could see myself,like maybe, no, I'm like maybe I
would listen to like theaudiobook, but I'm like I don't
think I would.
Like I loved it and like I'mafraid that now if I were to
reread it, I wouldn't love itthe same as I loved it the first
time, because now you knoweverything but fantasy.
(19:17):
I feel like there's so much youmiss in a fantasy the first
time you read it.
So like the second time, well,like a good fantasy, yeah, Side
note you know, just any fantasy,Just a good fantasy.
A good fantasy, a good to youcan be different than good to
other people, but that is verytrue, it's all subjective.
Fabienne (19:36):
Yes, agreed, sorry you , but this one's so good, so
everybody needs to go read ityes, please, honestly.
After deep end, and having readthis one, you know my thoughts
on bride.
I'm not even going to touchthat.
I am definitely a hazelwoodstan I love her me too.
Jordan (20:01):
Now, don't get me wrong, I don't think I'll go back.
I think I'm gonna read not inlove, so not.
So.
Not in love is book one to thenot in love series and
technically problematic summerromance is book two.
So like it's her brother andrue like their story and
supposedly that one's reallygood.
(20:21):
So I think I'll go back andread that one.
But I don't think I could dolike the love hypothesis or love
theory like those first few,because I I think like the
miscommunication tropes likepretty heavy in those like these
ones like work because there'sno miscommunication.
It's like some excuse me, Iburped that's, but it like okay,
(20:44):
you do, you, thank you.
Like the third act breakup issomething else.
Well, there is no third actbreakup because it's something
else.
So, like the climax, like theproblem that's in the book is
like something that can actuallybe like I don't want to say
real, because miscommunicationis real, but like I'm glad it's
not miscommunication, it issomething else that draws them
(21:07):
apart or whatever happens youdon't know what happens yet,
though right you say, becausesomething else happens.
Fabienne (21:18):
oh, oh, no, no, it was just like you were saying.
Jordan (21:20):
No, no, like the more recent ones where I think the
earlier ones like, the issue ismiscommunication, yeah.
Fabienne (21:29):
Ironically, this wasn't miscommunication.
It was, but like we talked itout.
Jordan (21:36):
There was no miscommunication.
Fabienne (21:38):
That went on for days no third eye breakup too, you
know, just like two adultstalking it out.
Jordan (21:45):
Exactly, exactly.
But I love this, I love thisone.
Fabienne (21:51):
It's so good.
I feel like I have somethingelse to say, but for some reason
it just keeps slipping my mind.
Let me just quickly go back tomy highlighted quotes.
On this one, how do I do?
Oh, here, annotations.
Hey, it's the Kindle app.
Is that updated?
Sorry, just.
Jordan (22:15):
It's a good question.
Fabienne (22:18):
I read the paperback.
Oh wait, this is actually.
I had to think about you when Iwas reading this part.
Um, I can't see.
Oh, it's on page 131,apparently, at least it's on the
version, um, but she's oh,christ, fuck, where is it?
It's gone.
Oh, this is so chaos, I'm sosorry.
Oh, okay, here's quote.
So I think she's standing, um,she's looking like at mount etna
(22:43):
, standing on this ionianshoreline, and she says I think
about all the men and womentheater, the greeks who sailed
all the way over here and foundthe one place too beautiful to
leave.
And I was like I I had to thinkof like greek, greek mythology
and like how people actuallylike back in the day where we're
like sailing the world, youknow, just finding their new
(23:04):
home, and I'm I don't know,because you love, you are like
obsessed with Greek mythologyand I just had to think about
you at this moment.
I just want to say that youknow just, thank you.
Jordan (23:17):
I like that.
I like that.
I love Greek mythology.
I know you do.
I feel like I read it so longago.
I don't totally remember thatpart, but I'm glad you thought
of me for it.
Fabienne (23:28):
Honey, I think about you all the time, I just don't
dare to say it.
Or comic books is weird orcreepy, but you know, back at
you Cat's out of the bag now,but I'm, it's funny also.
Um, I know that, like, mountetna is like one of the most
active volcanoes in like europe,but it actually erupted not too
(23:49):
long ago.
Did you, did you hear aboutthat?
No, so when we were readingthis, or at least when I still
was reading, reading it, I thinkyou were done a lot quicker
than I was um, but as I wasreading it, I was like, oh my
god, like not two days ago, themount and like mount etna
erupted, and it erupted in abook too, which I thought was a
(24:15):
huge coincidence.
Jordan (24:17):
So you just wanted to.
Fabienne (24:20):
Just I like um, just want to add a little bit there.
Jordan (24:23):
No, I liked it, I liked it.
I have nothing to add because Ididn't know that.
But like whoa um, but I don'tknow if you read the
acknowledgements, she was gonnamake this like a little baby, a
novella, and I'm like, thank god, honey.
You're asking me, do I read theacknowledges?
No, I.
Fabienne (24:39):
Honey, you're asking me do I read the Acknowledgers?
No, I do not.
You're lucky that I read theepilogue, which I also almost
don't normally, you know.
But this novella, no, no, Idon't see it.
Jordan (24:52):
But like, apparently, like when she was like writing
Not In Love, like the brotherstory, someone was like Maya and
Connor need their story, and soI guess she kind of started it,
which was like a novella, andthen they just got so much more
and I'm like thank fuck, theydid yes, yes, I can see you're
(25:13):
very passionate about it.
I love it I I don't know whatit is, but I freaking love this
book you were also pretty like,still passionate about how PETA
was useless.
Fabienne (25:22):
back when the Hunger Games came out, I felt like that
was just been stirring a littlebit too often right below the
surface, before it just eruptedlike your own personal Mount
Edna?
Jordan (25:32):
Honestly though, yes, because ever since someone told
me the next day when thathappened and she canceled her or
she deactivated Instagram ordeleted her, whatever she did, I
was like because, like so manypeople came out being like I'm
team Gail, so like, do you hateme?
Now too, and I'm like what I'mlike, don't I'm, I'm team PETA.
(25:55):
All the way, like I love PETA,I love PETA, but I'm like she's
not wrong Fucking useless.
Fabienne (26:03):
A certain hint of truth there.
Jordan (26:05):
Yes, yeah, like, but like I'm also like I love PETA,
so like all these people thatare coming at her that are like
team PETA, I'm like I'm, I lovePETA, but like she's not wrong
and like be nice, so like I havebeen sitting on that for a
while but I kind of forgot aboutit until we started this uh
episode and then I was like,fuck, wait, I need to discuss,
(26:26):
need to talk about it and herewe are.
Fabienne (26:31):
Here we are, nice, full circle, sort of sort of um.
I don't really have anythingmore to add on the story, just
just that I fucking loved it.
Gave it a different five stars.
Five stars.
Would love to be able to rereadit, but I was never gonna.
Would you love a Connor?
Jordan (26:50):
with one N.
Fabienne (26:52):
Yeah.
Jordan (26:52):
Connor with one N is the shit and fictional Paper.
Connor with one N.
Fabienne (26:58):
I don't want any.
Jordan (26:59):
Connor with one N's coming in my DMs being like I'm
a Connor with one N, paperConnor with one N.
I don't want any Connor withone N's coming in my DM's being
like I'm a Connor with one N.
No, no unless you're made ofpaper.
Fabienne (27:06):
I don't want it, but you're not existent to me.
You're not even a Connor.
Just don't, just no, just noturn around just no peace out.
Jordan (27:18):
Thank you so much for listening and please don't
forget to rate and reviewwherever you can find us, so
catch you next time Bye.
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