Shelf Rejects: Why We Set Books Down

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Jordan (00:08):
welcome to the bookish hour with joran fob hello, oh,
hello oh my sound, what?
Oh nothing.
Nothing to ignore me.

Fabienne (00:24):
Oh no, wait, wait.
Can you stand up for me?
Can you show me what you'rewearing?
It looks cute.

Jordan (00:31):
Oh, my god, wait, it's so funny.
You say that I made a TikTok ofmy outfit because I like the
headphones, so I couldn't tellif you were saying that because
of the TikTok, I made, it, made,it, I made, but like Actually
no.

Fabienne (00:48):
Shant.
Shant ignored a shot of thesocks.
No, I love this Like.
Would you call this like adungarees, dungarees or like an
overall?

Jordan (00:58):
Like a jumpsuit.
I don't know.
I don't know what I would callthis.
Actually I love it.
I love't know I don't know whatI would call this.
Actually I love it.
I love the color.
Oh my gosh, I love the color.
Usually like I haven't beenwearing it because I thought I
had to wear it with like a tanktop underneath, like a white
tank top, but then I was likewait, I have like a white, like

(01:18):
cropped mock turtleneck and I'mlike I could totally wear it
with this.
And so here I am it looksreally good.

Fabienne (01:27):
I genuinely love like this type of green color.
Also.
It looks really good for yourskin tone right, I think.

Jordan (01:35):
I think this is why I love fall, because I love these
darker colors, because I theylook better on me than the like
summery spring colors.

Fabienne (01:47):
So yeah, have you ever done one of those color?

Jordan (01:51):
no tests want to though I've heard like I want to but
honestly, like I feel like theygot so big so now they're like
super expensive or the one, orlike fully booked up, and I'm
like, well, I know what I likeso and what I think looks good
on me, so we'll just and we'lljust.

Fabienne (02:09):
If you think it works, it works right.
You just gotta wait, it's justgotta yeah exactly.

Jordan (02:15):
Um, okay, I just want to point out and then I want to
know all about london.

Fabienne (02:20):
But if this was this time last year, I'd be getting
ready to come see you and I'm sosad I'm not this year it feels
so bittersweet, like people arelike getting ready for that
horrible king's day which youand I love tremendously cough,

(02:42):
cough, sneeze, no't I mean wewere there for a hot second and
then it was just so busy.

Jordan (02:48):
We were like you were like want to go back home, and I
was like yes, please, yes, yes.

Fabienne (02:54):
No, I know, I actually thought about it this morning
when I drove my bicycle to work.
I was like, oh wait, last yearactually actually, Jorah came to
see me I also.
It just puts things really intoperspective because the year
flew by so quickly like I can'tbelieve.

Jordan (03:12):
It's been like a full year yeah, like honestly, I feel
like it.
It literally went by in a blinkof an eye kind of did so maybe.

Fabienne (03:25):
I mean, obviously I'm also just like saying this for
the heck of it, but I'm alsosort of semi-serious what if you
just like start looking into,you know, another trip?

Jordan (03:35):
well, I, I mean, I feel like I need to.
I mean I need to see likeyou're a new place, like it has
to uh, yes but like maybe now Ineed to come at like a different
time, like we can't come at thesame time again.

Fabienne (03:51):
Like now I feel like now I feel like, maybe indian
summer, is that like a thing?
Can we still say that?
By the way, indian summer, yeah, is that like a thing?

Jordan (04:05):
I've never heard that before.
Like summer.

Fabienne (04:09):
No, like Indian summer is like when summer is
basically just on the cusp oflike turning to fall, where,
like the most of the trees arestill like very lush and green
and just like half their leaves,but some are like starting to

(04:32):
change color and like there isjust chill in the air.
Um, maybe it's like it's aweird thing, because you know,
I'm dutch and we don't reallyuse english words here as a
standard, but my grandpa alwayssays that like oh, do you see
this beautiful lane down here?
Uh, bien, like this is juststarting to look like indian
summer.
And he always says that likearound your birthday, actually
like august, september, um, whenthe height of summer has just
been, and you know it's like nowit's the fall of the climax,
yes, but like everything is justso beautiful outside and just

(04:54):
like it's, I don't know.
He just calls it indian summer,so I wasn't sure if that
translated or like if that's athing that I could say I don't,
I don't know if that, I donthink I've ever.

Jordan (05:05):
I've never heard that, but I don't know if people here
use it, because I do rememberwhen I came in like the end of
April, it was like there werelike some chilly moments oh,
definitely Like more so than Ithought there would be.
I definitely did not pack forthe chilly moments with my dress
and I had to borrow one of yourjackets and I was like you

(05:28):
basically practically swim inthat, like the size of the
jacket was too big for you itworked.
I didn't think it was that bigwas.
I didn't think it?

Fabienne (05:38):
no, it was not that big okay, maybe just like a
little oversized then just likeyou know, for style, essence, I
guess.

Jordan (05:48):
But, I remember that first strobe waffle, yeah,
wonderful, oh so good.
April's tricky here too,because like there's been some
days that are like 60, and thenthere's other days that are like
40, and it's cold, fahrenheit,I don't know what they are.
No, no, no, no, no, no, I kindof warm and cold.

Fabienne (06:08):
I've started to, you know, like get the grasp of it.
So I'm sort of doing like themath in my head.
But you're, you're, you're fine.
I always have like this trick.
I saw this one time on Ellen ofall places, where she was like
if the temperatures start todrop beneath my age, it's cold.
And then I looked that up onetime and like around the time

(06:29):
when that episode aired she wasaround like 55.
So it's like, oh, okay, thatmakes sense.
So I think 50 55 fahrenheit isaround like 18 to 20 degrees
celsius, which is very at leastlike springtime still, but you
know it's like maybe like achilly, chilly type of 50

(06:49):
degrees.

Jordan (06:50):
Yeah, I feel like 50 can be warm if you're used to the
cold, but, like, if you're usedto like the warmer weather, 50
can be cold.
Yeah, warm, yeah yeah.
How is London?

Fabienne (07:05):
Fucking fantastic.

Jordan (07:09):
Oh it looked like a blast.

Fabienne (07:11):
Girl, it really was.
I saw so many new things, likethe last time that I was there I
was also with my mom, I mean,you know, but I'm not really
sure if anyone else like,actually like picked up on that.
But yeah, but I'm really closewith my mom, so we do like like
city trips pretty often, um, andwe went already to london like

(07:32):
two to three years back.

Jordan (07:32):
We went to oxford last year, and was it really?
Oh, that was last year.
I was like I.

Fabienne (07:35):
I was like I thought you went like last year, yeah,
but like right before when youcame here, actually like in like
in early april we went tooxford.
In late april you came to me.
April was a busy month for melast year april was a busy year
except I'm not coming.
Oh, I'm actually kind ofstressed too.

(07:55):
Um, but yes, london wasfantastic.
Honestly, I woke up so crackingmy heart today, sorry, yes, no,
yes, no, london was reallyreally fun.
No, no, no, no, don't be sorry,we saw and did a new, like a
lot of different things.
Like I actually did my research.
Normally I'm like with citytrips I'm almost, like you know,
just like a go with the flowkind of gal, like I don't have a

(08:27):
full time slot itineraryplanned, as in like at 10 am
we're gonna do this.
At 10 30 we have to be here,and you know, like x, y, c and
continue and continued.
Um, but I did have like a semisort of structure that you know
I wanted to see this at least onthe first day, because then we
have like a goal of sorts wewalk to there, um, this I wanted
to see on the second day, etc.
Etc.
So we did have like a fewthings that we actually wanted
to, like you know, tick off ofour lists and, girl, we walked a

(08:50):
lot during the day, like 30,000steps approximately every
single day on the average.

Jordan (08:56):
Oh, my goodness.

Fabienne (08:57):
I know you got your workout in for the weekend.
I actually did Like those beersand those wines.
They were hard earned.
I tell you, yeah, yeah, yes, Iactually did like those beers
and those wines.
They were hard-earned.
I tell you, yeah, yeah, yeah,yes.
No, it was really fun and Iactually took my camera with me.
So I made um, I made it a thingthat I did not have, like my
phone.
Um, well, obviously I had myphone, I'm not gonna lie, but I,

(09:18):
like I have my camera, justlike out in the open too, like
on like one of those lanyardthings you know, like the, the
crossbody slings that are prettyhot right now.

Jordan (09:26):
Um, so I only took photos with my camera and they
are so dope, they're so dopeokay, okay I said very humbly
look at the little photographer,little photography, killing it
over here yeah, yeah, no, thatworks, that works.

Fabienne (09:43):
Um.
So, yeah, it was really fun, um, but I'm also always like happy
to be back.
You know, like, like I said,like I love my mom, we're really
close, but after four days it'salso like oh, happy to be back
here home, gotcha, yeah yeah,yeah, also I miss Jay, you know
like still four days.
So true, true, but yes, soLondon was good.

(10:04):
How have you been Tell mewhat's good, what's fun, what's
up with?

Jordan (10:07):
you?
Yes, so I love Instagram and Ilove the.
I've talked to a few peopleabout it but I've been I like

(10:30):
haven't said anything to youbecause I was like this is
perfect podcast material and Idon't think I really fit into
the aesthetic field of it all.
Like I try, but like I don'twant to necessarily be in every

(10:50):
picture but I fucking am becauseI can't do a flat lay and
there's like reels, but like youstill need to like look put
together, even though I never am.
But I think I like TikTok forfor like the chaos of it all,
like you can literally be inlike sweats, which I usually am,

(11:11):
and do like a rant for likefive minutes and like it works.
But I also think because TikTokI have less followers, there's
like less pressure, so I likehence why I'm wearing this
outfit.
I may or may not have recordedlike five TikToks before this.

(11:33):
Like recording that I kind ofjust, and I like the fact that I
can just like talk, like I amstill kind of posting them on
reels on Instagram, ish, likemaybe not all of them.
Like I don't want to just likemass post all these this content
on Instagram, so I'm likepicking and choosing like

(11:54):
randomly, especially if I don'thave anything and maybe I have
like a TikTok that can be a reel, I'll like post it and then I
can at least just save it to mylike real page on Instagram, so
it kind of works but I think Ilike TikTok for like the chaos
of it all.
So I'm having fun like creatingcontent again and having fun

(12:16):
like just posting content, likeI posted two videos today on
TikTok and it was just like funyeah and so like, I think, like
so happy you say that likeyou're doing it for the fun of
it all.
Yeah, I understand.

Fabienne (12:31):
You know best of all people here.

Jordan (12:34):
Right, and I think Instagram just has become so
much like I felt like I neededto post and then like some of it
, like just life was happeningand I couldn't post.
And then it was like I joinedsome engagement groups because
content I was making for authorswasn't getting this reach and I
was afraid that they weren'tgoing to like send me things

(12:56):
anymore.
Because and and I I actually doI do kind of like these
engagement groups because like Ifeel like I've met people
through them, so like that wascool, but I hated that I was.
I joined them for that reasonbecause like my content wasn't
being seen and I think Instagramwas just frustrating me, so
like I only have like a thousandfollowers on TikTok.

(13:17):
So I feel like it just was so.

Fabienne (13:18):
Still a thousand.

Jordan (13:20):
True, very true, but I think like compared to like,
like instagram, it's so muchless that I think it's taken
like the pressure off of it andI like that, I just like.
I only thing is is I'm.
I literally made five tiktoksin this outfit.
Maybe I should have changed itout like the post.

(13:41):
Yeah, that's right, but I'm likeit's fine, but I feel like I
think I just like like the chaosof it all and so I'm so excited
.
And I know people said like Ishould probably just post, like
if I want to like grow TikTok, Ishould post the same thing,
which I think essentially I will.
But I think I just also likethat I can just post whatever

(14:02):
wait, what do you mean?

Fabienne (14:03):
like post the same thing, like same thing as what,
like I should do on Instagram,or wait, what do you mean?
Like post the same thing, likesame thing as what I should do
on Instagram, or?

Jordan (14:08):
no.
So I guess to like really pushyour content like you should do,
like the same kind of post, solike if you're a recommend, if
it's like recommending a book,it should be like the same
background, holding a book andlike doing that, which I get,
that.
But I'm also like I'm gonna put, like I'm gonna I want to post
like the random things and andthen I do but I do want for that

(14:30):
right and I do want.

Fabienne (14:32):
I do want to post like those, like recommendation,
like videos too, but I thinkit's like what I really want is
to like post whatever for nowand, like I said, like it takes
off the pressure, because, also,I don't say like that, you're
not I want to say, um, I stillbelieve that the thousand

(14:53):
followers is like a huge amount,because it's like a thousand
people sitting in a room andthey're like following you, so
to say.
If you like, put things intoperspective.
Like a thousand is like a lot,a lot, um but also it takes the
pressure.
Like what do you have like now?
Like, like 11, like 11k orsomething on instagram like
that's huge and if you feel likethe pressure, like I said, I
understand this best of allbecause I had the same issue and

(15:17):
you know that because I man, Ijust kept dragging on and
drawing and like an on aboutproblem that I do.
So I'm just really happy foryou that you're already, like,
found your alternative.

Jordan (15:29):
I know, and that's what I think is like kind of nice,
granted, we could all loseTikTok.
Well, me lose TikTok in like 90days or whatever the x amount
of time is for our government tolike shut it down.
But I feel like, at least fornow, I'm having fun with it.
So I'm like why wouldn't I?

Fabienne (15:48):
like make the most of it and do just whatever I want
and post whatever I want.

Jordan (15:53):
I agree yeah, so I'm like and, plus, I think it's
kind of fun to like, maybe nowfocus on like growing tiktok.
So like, just making them, thelike reels, the tiktoks I want
to make, and like maybe thatgrows it and then I can.
What I did with instagram isI'll take those, those videos,
and I can post them on instagramand I really like that.

(16:13):
You can remove it from yourgrid if you want to, so like,
that's what's kind of nice tohave as like, yeah, a backup,
because I feel like that you, itdoesn't need to be aesthetics
it's like not the main page,which is nice.
No, but I also think that's ityou.

Fabienne (16:23):
It doesn't need to be aesthetic, because it's like not
the main page, which is nice no, but I also think that's like
the power of TikTok right,because, for the exact same
reason that you actually likethrown off like I, it's funny
because the scale is up, alllike, all up.
Okay, it's like up in here inmy head, but I can't with all
the impressions that TikTok likegives me.

(16:43):
Like you know the all thebuttons on the sides, the
continuous loop of videos thatare constantly playing.
I kind of like the static, asyou well phrased it, for
Instagram.
I kind of like that sort oftaken.
You know like taking a step backin a sense of like how fast
everything is on Instagram.
You have to like scroll downactively to.
You have to click on a post towatch it.

(17:04):
So for that reason I do notnecessarily like TikTok.
I am on it like I am a fly onthe wall there.
I follow a lot of like cleaningaccounts.
You know like how to clean your, clean up your kitchen or like
how to I don't know plant aflower in your garden.

Jordan (17:18):
But I think you are a great fit for like the things
that you want to post on TikTokand I can't see, I can't wait
for like all the content you'regoing to make right, and I like
I had a couple conversationswith other people like randomly
like months ago and stuff beinglike I just want to do more
talking like videos, andsomebody was like you should do

(17:38):
TikToks, like that's like whatit's there for, and I and I
agree with you too like I'mTikTok is a lot like and I don't
like go on the for you page oranything like I have like my
five like influencer people thatI follow and I just go directly
to their pages and I watchtheir TikToks.
Like I'm not, like I don't doscrolling so to say yeah just

(18:02):
because it's like it's too much,and I agree, like it's like
people get lost in it and likeyou're.
It's like an hour goes by andyou just watched all these like
stupid TikToks.
But I'm like, if I like go towatch like a specific person, at
one point either I reach theend of like what I've already
seen or I'm like, ok, I'm boredwith this, like same person, and

(18:22):
then I know to like close itout.
But I agree with you, granted,if I wanted to grow my TikTok
account, I need people to go tolike their like for you page and
find my account.
But yeah, but that's like Idon't do that.

Fabienne (18:35):
But you don't have to think about that.
You just have to like create,like the things that you want to
create and see wherever it goes, you know, like wherever it
takes you and honestly, I knowthat how much you love like
talking and like your stories onInstagram too, but those don't
last, unfortunately, and someare actually really good and
really engaging and just reallycaptivating, like how you I
don't know speak to youraudience, so to say.

(18:55):
They're really just like fun,just like quick and just not
practiced, if that makes sense,or just like very much in the
moment, what I much, what I'mlooking for, and I feel like
TikTok then would really helpyou in that sense of, I guess,
perpetuating that sort of chaosfeel that you want to have.
Yes, so yeah.

Jordan (19:16):
Well, and it's like funny because sometimes I'll
take my Instagram stories andI'll post them as TikToks, like
whether it's a talking one or ifit's like me doing an unboxing
yeah, and those TikToks actuallydo fairly well, so I know it's
so random.
I did like an unboxing for anLJ Shen book and I did it as a

(19:37):
story and then I literally tookthat story, put it on TikTok and
it got like a thousand views,which is not like I know it's
not like a ton, but like mehaving a thousand followers.
Usually my views are aroundlike four to 500.
So seeing that like double forlike a random like story yeah

(19:57):
exactly so it's like.
It's like the fact that I'mgetting engagement, I'm getting
views, I'm getting followersfrom the things I'm posting.
It's like almost exciting againwhere, like, Instagram has like
stalled out.
So it's kind of like it's funagain and I'm like growing,
which is really cool.
But I think overall it's justthe fact that it's fun.

Fabienne (20:17):
So what type of like videos did she record today?
Then, like I did, like talkingvideos and I'm guessing no, so I
didn't, I actually justrecorded like a bunch did like
talking videos and I'm guessingno, so I didn't.

Jordan (20:25):
I actually just recorded like a bunch of like um, like
sound ones that we used to dofor instagram, but like
instagram kind of like killedthose out.
So I like, and I'm hoping topost them like randomly with
talking ones, but I like, I feellike I, yeah, and I almost like

(20:46):
didn't know what else tobecause, like I already did two
talking ones in a row, so I waslike, oh, let me like switch it
up, and I did like some randomthings.

Fabienne (20:58):
So we'll just have to wait and see, then won't we?

Jordan (21:01):
Yes, yes, we shall, Now that we've talked about that for
so long.
What is this episode abouttoday?
Fab?

Fabienne (21:12):
DNFing books Like what are valid reasons, what are
funny reasons, what are absurdreasons, but reasons nonetheless
.

Jordan (21:21):
And what does DNF stand for?

Fabienne (21:24):
Sorry, I did not finish.
I did not finish a book, or youdo not finish a book, right?

Jordan (21:30):
There's no third option here also like a soft dnf which
I have used multiple times,being like I'm not really in the
mood for this right now, so I'mjust gonna dnf it for now.

Fabienne (21:44):
So it's like a soft dnf, a soft dnf.
I like that better because Iused to call that like a, just
not like a, not right now.
I I would make the heartdistinction between dnf and not
right now, but I like soft d DNFbetter.

Jordan (21:57):
Right.
I saw someone else use that andI was like ooh, I'm using it
too.

Fabienne (22:03):
It's going to slowly push it to the side where no one
sees that.
I even picked it up in thefirst place.

Jordan (22:09):
I love the Goodreads.
It's like reading, but I justswitch that to want to read.

Fabienne (22:21):
Back to want to read and want to read and I'm like
nobody saw.
Have you ever?
Sorry, quick, well, not randomquestions, really very related
to um, goodreads.
Do you ever like go on your foryou page there, like on your
friends list, like what everyoneis like reading and like what
are you know changing in thebookshelves?

Jordan (22:36):
like the home page, I guess.
Okay, like, oh, I'll likescroll through.
Like my for, like my, like Idon't know what it's called, but
like the things that myfollowers have are the people I
follow are doing, and then I'lllike randomly like a feed.
Yeah, maybe a feed like.
I'll randomly like a few ofthose, but I don't really.

(22:58):
I'm not really on Goodreads,except I'll go in to keep track
of my books Because I actuallywhat I really like is posting
reviews to my stories and then Isave all of them in a highlight
, so it's like reviews for theyear I did it for 2024, and then
I still have that highlight andit's like reviews for 2024

(23:20):
reads and then now I'm workingon 2025.
Wish I would have done thatfrom the beginning of like
starting Instagram, but you knowwe'll start it now.

Fabienne (23:29):
You know, they say wisdom comes with the ears.
Now, that's true, it's provento be true.
Honestly, maybe I should startdoing that actually too, because
I started doing that last yearactually.
But then I was also tired withall the highlights, cause I
thought they looked like really,you know, like messy.
And then some.
There was, like this, one veryshort period of time when

(23:49):
Instagram decided not tointroduce highlights anymore.

Jordan (23:53):
So it was like like they , but only random accounts.
Accounts like I still alwayshad my highlights it was so
weird.

Fabienne (24:02):
Oh, when I went to edit, like when I want to like
to actually add them as ahighlight, they were still like
there, but then, like I don'tknow like archived or sort of
something.
It was really really strange,um, but I think it's a good call
because, you know, it's morepalpable that, yo, these are the
books that she has read.
Oh, these are actually thingsthat she has reviewed.
It's more direct and peopledon't have to ironically doom

(24:25):
scroll on your page, which isactually what you want people to
do, because you know you wantthem to be engaged with your
content.

Jordan (24:32):
And I like to because, like authors aren't really
looking at stories.
So I feel like I can, and I'mmore honest in a Goodreads
review than if I were to postthe review on my page.
Like on my page, I may liketalk about something I didn't
like, but I'm definitely morecritical than just like this
fucking sucked and and if I did?

(24:52):
If there wasn't something Iliked?
But I want to tag the author.
I'm not going to mention thatin my like post.
I'm just going to say thethings I did like.
But if you want to find like myhonest opinion, it's definitely
go to Goodreads.

Fabienne (25:05):
But just dive into, like my review, to actually get
the review.
Yes, good call, good call.

Jordan (25:13):
Going back to the DNF thing.
What are some of the reasonsyou have DNF'd a book.

Fabienne (25:22):
When it's introduced as a slow burn, but they
practically have sex in thethird chapter.

Jordan (25:29):
Oh wait.
So not even if it's introducedas a slow burn.
Sometimes, if there's sex inthe first chapter, I'm like I'm
out.

Fabienne (25:36):
I'm out.

Jordan (25:38):
I'm like the whole point is the, but that's maybe
because we like the tension andthe build-up and the slow burn
that when it happens I'm likenow what is there to?
Wait for what is there to livefor, Bob Literally.

Fabienne (25:53):
It's already been there.
The climax, quite literally,has already just happened and
I'm like, oh, okay, well, Iguess, unless I wonder what's
going to happen in the last 300pages right, unless it's like a,
something where there's likethey're together and it's like a
one night stand and then likethat's like part of the story.

Jordan (26:14):
But then I want that first chapter to be a fade to
black and we get a spicy scenelater on.
But you but like a, maybethere's like a little bit like
you get the kissing, you getlike a little bit of well,
there's no tension, because ifit happens in the first chapter
I don't think there is anytension, but I think it can be
done well.
But I want like a fade to blackmoment or like it to be blurry,

(26:37):
like I don't really want it tobe like a truly spicy scene.

Fabienne (26:41):
No, I guess, building off of that, I also don't.
I don't appreciate when it'slike a main character is like
dreaming about, like thepotential smutty scene, and then
wakes up all of a suddenbecause it's already happened
for me.
I still want to live with theactual moment when it, when it's
actually happening, like in thebook I don't care for, like

(27:02):
dreams, muddy scene oh yeah,when it only just like functions
as, like you know, realizationon the main character's part
like oh wait, maybe I am them, Idon't I can't see that because,
I also like I feel like youcould definitely use that as
like a build up, like I love agood dream scene where it's like

(27:23):
you feel all the tension andthen it's like it's about to
happen and then they wake upLike I don't want it.
That I like, but I don't lovethat.
It's a deed in the dream.
And that's happening a lot in afew books, so that's a no for me
.
So I guess, to sum that up,like when the pacing is just
like glacial, you know, whenthere's like no slow burn and

(27:45):
you know the rewards alreadybeen, it's been given, but
there's no actual reward.
Um, I guess, when the book isalso too, too poetic, like when
the writing is making, making Idon't know, like a forced poetic
, when the writer, sorry, istrying to like, be forcefully

(28:08):
like poetic, and it takes awaylike the concentration of, like
the plot or just like theoverall storyline, um, I don't
like that, it's a dnf for me.
Overly poetic, unnecessarilyoverly poetic, it's a no for me
fair, fair.

Jordan (28:23):
I have definitely dnf'd a book that had the first main
character's name was the name ofmy stepdad oh yeah, oh.

Fabienne (28:36):
I also know exactly what book that is.
I think that is fucking awful.
So we're going to put this away.
We're not going to continuereading this.
Let's not, let's read this one.

Jordan (28:51):
Yeah, no, thank you.

Fabienne (28:55):
I guess a lot of info dumping too, unless it's done
really well and like it'sintegrated into like the world
building, if that makes sense.
So fantasy books are likenotorious for this shit.

Jordan (29:07):
um, I think that's like and yes okay, sorry, continue,
continue no no, no interjecthoney well, I was gonna say,
like this is what's so tough,like I hate either the info
dumping, like, especially at thebeginning, like I need you to,
like I need to be engaged, Ineed to be into it, or like to

(29:28):
just be thrown into a storywhere you don't know anything
but all the characters knoweverything.
So you're just confused thewhole time because and then you
just well, I end up dnfing itbecause I'm like I I can't
follow, like what the fuck isgoing on I am lost, guys.

Fabienne (29:48):
I don't know where this story is going and it
probably won't ever find out,because yeah, yeah, yeah um, so
I guess like a confusingstoryline.
I mean when you're say I guessfive chapters, in say like
they're fairly short chaptersyeah, I love short chapters, by
the way, also I guess longchapters like long as our dnf

(30:08):
eventually, unless the plot isreally gripping, like it's
really captivating.
Um, donna tard is actuallyknown for that.
Um, the secret history has longass chapters.
Long ass was actually pain inthe ass to get through them, but
the story is just reallyfucking gripping.

(30:30):
So you know, you, just you plowthrough and you enjoy it.

Jordan (30:33):
Um, I think yeah, that makes it, that's yeah.

Fabienne (30:37):
Very much more bearable, but say that I don't
know like you're five chaptersin and a relatively short
chapter.
So you know five chapters inand the story does not make any
sense.
You confuse people.
There is no clear plot.
Still that you know, it stillhas to be established.
You're like okay, I know theblurb, I know what people have

(30:57):
been saying um about this book,but I do not know where this is
going.

Jordan (31:02):
Also dnf for me, dnf I very minimal dialogue, like
they're basically everything,like a whole chapter of no
dialogue and just I don't evenknow what it would be, but like
either it's like internalmonologue of the character, not
okay.
So no dialogue, but firstperson.

(31:23):
I've read a book where I'm likeit took like a few chapters to
get to like the first dialoguescene and I was like interesting
this is a struggle.
It was.
I don't want to like call thebook on the podcast, so I won't.
I'll tell you after.
But I was like no, I like, didnot like it.

(31:46):
I did not like it.
I was like what is going on?

Fabienne (31:50):
like and I don't know.

Jordan (31:52):
I don't know if they like yeah, I won't say anything
else that I there needs to besome dialogue.
I also can't handle like if abook is like not engaging, like
I feel like you need to beengaging and maybe it's even
just your writing style, maybeit's like not for me, but if,
like, the first couple pagesaren't engaging or I'm like not
into the writing style, I can'tcontinue.

(32:13):
Like I it's like oh and it's,and not necessarily that it has
to be like an easy read, but itdoes help if it.
If I'm not totally engaged andit is a easy read that I can
just keep going, but like if I'm, if it takes too long to get
into the story, it's done it'sno go yeah, yeah, yeah, like

(32:34):
it's not gonna happen.

Fabienne (32:35):
I guess that's one of mine too.
Like when I catch myself um,glancing at my phone in like
within the first two pages, whenI'm actually starting to, you
know like I'm in the mood for toread I have my PM on mine or
whatever I'm like just down toread and I'm feeling it but then
I noticed myself like grab,like you know, picking up my

(32:58):
phone, like oh wait, this ismaybe not captivating enough.
So that's either like a softdnf for me or a hardcore dnf,
depends on like the story or itdepends on whatever I mean.
Obviously there's like many morefactors that need to be
factored in, but if that's likeif I notice that I'm drifting

(33:18):
more toward my phone than thebook when I'm actually really
down to read or and I don't knowif this happens to you.

Jordan (33:26):
Like sometimes, like at the end of a chapter, it's like
different.
But if in the middle of thebook I randomly stop and pick up
my phone, it's like the middleof the book, like I'm mid
paragraph, mid sentence, and I'mlike, oh, what's on my phone?
Like then I know like somethingis not right here I'm like yeah
, exactly like you would thinkit would keep my attention yeah

(33:46):
to keep reading, and if it's not, then something's up I guess
skimming falls into thiscategory as well.

Fabienne (33:55):
if, if we're putting labels to this, but if I have to
physically stop myself fromskimming a book, if I notice
that I'm skimming a lot, I'mlike wait, I have to stop
skimming, because I'm notreading a single letter here.
It's also on the DNF, becauseI'm not going to finish the book
.

Jordan (34:14):
Question For some of the easier reads and then you start
skimming, will you still finishit?
Because I noticed for myselfthat some of the easier reads
I've like I might be into it butI've just like.
It's like either I'm like, Ilike, you can almost like if,

(34:35):
especially if there's a lot ofdialogue, you can skip those in
between spaces, not really missanything, but it's more of a
skim Like I've definitelynoticed myself.
So sorry Doing that.

Fabienne (34:47):
Yeah.

Jordan (34:48):
Between like dialogues, like I'll skip the little bits
that I don't need, or are youstill like that's a DNF.

Fabienne (34:57):
Hard.
I guess it's like an easy book,how you put it.
Maybe I'll, I guess I do finishit, but I keep, I keep on
skimming that way a lot of no.
But wait, that way, like thatway, you're phrasing it like an
easy yeah.

Jordan (35:13):
I don't know if, yeah, I feel like maybe that might have
not been the best way to wordit.

Fabienne (35:17):
Well, I guess I no, no , no, no, I guess.
Well, I wouldn't say like easy.
I said like you know, like likea dumbass could read this book
or like a dumbass could write it, but it's more type of like, no
nonsense, it's potato chipsbooks, you know, like the bitch
reads, they're just like.
You just have to keep them.
Yeah, so I actually do have atitle for you because I wanted

(35:42):
to come sort of prepared.
This is a book that I bought inLondon.
It's by Paige Toon.
What If I Never Get Over you?
Um, and I read her before andthat book too, seven summers or
something.
That book was over 400 pageslong.
Did not need to be 400 pages,jordan, like that could have
been wrapped up in like 250,like or maybe a neat 300 max.

(36:04):
But I kept reading, even thoughit was like, oh, yeah, okay,
you know, you just like you lookat the words.
They're sort of likeregistering, but you're also not
actively reading them.
But I am still going to finishthis because I do sort of.
I do kind of like the stories.
So I guess, yes, yes, if it'san easy read, if it's a low
threshold read, like no highstakes types of book, I'll keep

(36:29):
on reading it, but it's also ifit's not an easy book, if it's
like a high fantasy it's like ano go, yeah, see, it's like a.

Jordan (36:42):
yeah, I like that's.
The thing is like I've beentrying to be better about dnfing
books, even at like just softdnfs, like I couldn't tell you
the last book I like dnf, dnf,um, but I'm like trying to tell
you, but I won't because youknow, I mean you didn't name a
book before and also I don'twant to be very, very rude.
Fair.
Is it like, not a like.
Is it like a indie authorBecause maybe we don't say those

(37:04):
but a traditionally publishedauthor?
I say, say it Fucking, callthat shit out.

Fabienne (37:09):
No, it's an indie author.

Jordan (37:10):
Oh, let's not call that shit out.
Not today, but I I do.
I like had such a hard timeDNFing books, like I always felt
like I needed to finish it, butlike typically it was.
I think it was because I boughtthe book and I felt like I
needed to like, if I picked itup and was reading it, I needed

(37:30):
to finish reading it.
But then there would be timeswhere I was like reading the
same book for three months and Iwas like this is like that book
.
I only have one book that camemonths and I was like this is
like that book.
I only have one book that cameto mind but I was like this is a
book I should should have DNFand I finished it and it fucking
sucked the whole time.
So it's like I could have DNFit and I'm like why the fuck
didn't I?
But I this was also years agoat this point, but I'm like I

(37:54):
think I'm trying.
So apply, I so apply, I'm likeyeah, like I'm trying to be
better about DNFing and I thinklike now it's a lot easier to
DNF a book.
Like I'll pick, like Idefinitely picked up a couple
fantasies and like recently,like maybe that last month, and
I think it was just a mixture oflike maybe I think if I would

(38:17):
have given them more of a shot,like if I continued to read,
like it would have been okay, um, but I just like couldn't get
into them and I'm like maybe I'mjust not in a fantasy mood so I
put those down.
But soft dnfs, but I did.
Yeah, I've god of malice, I'llcall one out.
God of malice.

(38:37):
I read like five chapters and Iwas like nothing has happened in
these five chapters.
That I was like I'm puttingthis down and I think that's
also going to be a soft dnf,because I think so many people
have mentioned how much theylove it, so like I really do
want to give it back, give itanother shot.
But I was just like I think Iprobably picked it up like this

(38:59):
time last year or maybe likeeven in the beginning of last
year, like in 2024, and I wasjust like, yeah, no oh, I also
hate like when it's like sohyped, you know like yeah either
talk or instagram or whatever,and you're like okay, well,
maybe, maybe should then.

Fabienne (39:17):
And then you start reading it and you're like oh,
but they should never have leftlike fanfictionnet or like
archives of her own.
It should have just like stayedon the fanfiction side of it
all.
That's like an easy, easy read.
No, that's DNA for me too.
Or like when a book promiseslike high stakes and there's
like nothing going on until thechapter, or something like

(39:39):
there's no urgency at all.
Like yeah it's like a hardy andif I like, shove it across my
desk.
I'm like you're done and me too.

Jordan (39:48):
Yeah, what would be like the pettiest reason you've DNF
to book.
I've been seeing those likereels and like Tik TOKoks come
up and I love watching them well, I guess the one that I I mean
actually.

Fabienne (40:01):
You know this reason and it's from ali hazelwood oh
my gosh.
Yes, but like you mentionedthat you might give it another
shot yeah, true, I still have tofind that chance, though, like
I might still maybe when I'm ina mood for it, um, but that was
a semi soft dnf slash heart.
No so when, when, like thepunctuation style is not up to

(40:28):
par to whatever, or like I'mjust not feeling it, I feel like
people are shouting the entiretime, it's like why?

Jordan (40:35):
why it's so funny, because I read it and I did not
feel that at all.
But I've seen other peoplesince you've mentioned it, I've
seen other people mention thepunctuation in that book and I'm
like, how did I miss it?
I also like I think I know howI missed it.
Like I read it at a time that Iwas escaping life and I needed

(41:00):
something else, and so that waslike a paranormal story that I
could like escape life with.
So I think I do wonder if Ipicked that book up at a
different time, if it would havebeen different.
And that's the same thing withReckless by Lauren Roberts.
Like I love that book andthere's so many people out there
that say that book could havebeen an email.
I loved every minute of thatbook.

(41:20):
But I think the same thing,like I think I read it at a time
that I needed to like escapelife.
Literally the same time I readBride and I like lived for it.
So it's like I think it likereally depends on when you read
a book.

Fabienne (41:40):
That's also true, like the atmosphere, like just the
setting and like the vibe thatyou're going for, like they're
important factors whether you'renot going to DNF a book, that's
for sure.
Um, I guess another DNF reasonfor me is when a chapter, like
perspective, changes likemid-chapter and it's not made

(42:00):
clear, and then people note onit and then the author will be
like no, it's, it's horrible,it's chaotic, unnecessarily
confusing.

Jordan (42:09):
um, and to be fair chapter.

Fabienne (42:12):
Honestly, yes, I do sort of get.
If, like, your chapter is likeshort and you're, say, like a
mid chapter length type ofwriter and you want input from
like, both main characters, likeboth characters, whatever, then
I kind of understand why youwould change it, but also just

(42:32):
make it known to the reader thatyou are, because I don't, I
don't, honestly, I couldn't tellyou which author did this.
It wasn't any author, that'sfor sure.
That that much I do remember.
Um, but they changed, like thepov like mid chapter, as I've
said multiple times now and, um,it was actually an arc read

(42:53):
when I started, uh, doing arcweeks in the very beginning of
my instagram career and Icommented on it that it was a
really bit, that it was a littleconfusing because I couldn't
tell, like, who was saying what,and she was like, yeah, but you
should have picked it up on it,based on the writing style of
how the characters speak.
I'm like what, what?
That?
That's that's true, that'swhole work.

(43:14):
I'm not.

Jordan (43:14):
No, no also like I think , especially if you're arc
reading, like you're as anauthor, even if my thought
process is, this authorshouldn't have said anything to
you and should have just takenyour like, your thoughts and
opinions and criticisms, because, I guarantee you, other people

(43:36):
are having those same thoughtsand other people are DNFing the
book because they can't followalong.
And so the fact that theauthor's like well, you should
have picked up on it based offthe dialogue of the character
and who's talking, I was likenot like your, it's coming from
your head, so of course you knowwho's talking, but, like, as
someone on the outside doesn'tnecessarily know who's fucking

(43:58):
talking, but and I canunderstand, like maybe she
doesn't, she, he, I don't knowwho it was, but they don't want
to change it and that's fine,they don't have to.
But I feel like them sayinglike, oh well, you should just
know.
Well, clearly you didn't know,or else you wouldn't have said
anything thank you, thank, thankyou.

Fabienne (44:17):
Thank you for resting my case.
You're welcome.
I do have quite a few more, butI want to hear one of yours too
.
Like another one, of yours.

Jordan (44:28):
I feel like I had one on like the tip of my tongue, but
I don't remember it now.

Fabienne (44:38):
So go ahead and I think for me, when the pacing is
just all over the place.
Oh, I feel like when the pacingis just like so bad that I have
to like flick back likethroughout the book, whether
it's like on my Kindle, my phoneor like an actual page that I
keep flipping back and I'm likeI must have missed something
here.
I must have, but I, I must have, but I can't figure out what I

(45:00):
have missed and then find outthat there is nothing to be
missed.
This is actually how badly itwas written and the pace is
indeed all over the place.
so inconsistency in pace it's adnf for me yeah, that's a good
one yeah that's a good one yeah,and especially when it's
actually like a really good book, like plot wise and story wise

(45:21):
too and, like you know,well-rounded characters,
characterization is like onpoint um.
But when all of a sudden, likeyou know, like the rising action
, the, the climax, the fall, etc, etc.
Then when that's like all of ajumble, all of all of a sudden
and you still have, like I don'tknow, like one 150 pages left
and it's just all okay, likechaos in that book, then I

(45:43):
generally feel so sad becauseit's hard to enough for me so
you do what you gotta do.

Jordan (45:51):
I mean, I've definitely dnf'd a book or soft dnf, like
when the chapters are too long.
So it's like kind of on thesame theme of like it.
No, it's not on the same themeat all, I don't know like where
I, how I like related those two.
But like if I, if I just,especially if it's not engaging,

(46:12):
that I'm like I can't, like Ialready want to put it down, but
I'm struggling.
So sorry, that was completelyrandom, it made no sense.
No, no, no, we do loverandomness.

Fabienne (46:25):
When I guess dialogue tags are just like all over the
place, like when they're full onout of control.
You know, like Dialogue tag,yeah, like I love you, are just
like all over the place, likethey're when they're full on out
of control.
You know, like, yeah, like um,I love you, I said, then the I
said part is a dialogue tag, soyou know who who is talking, and
then if you add like adjectivesit's like in what manner?
So for I don't know um, I loveyou, I I said breathlessly.

(46:51):
But then like said is just alsothis very fancy word,
unnecessarily fancy, when theyjust like don't really add
anything to the sentence or justlike the plot or whatever.
It's just like a no-go for me.
But then it just comes back tobad writing, I guess.
So the overall DNF reason hereis just um, but dialogue

(47:18):
honestly yes, but then also I'maware that not everyone can
afford a good, so you know.
But then also, I don't have totake that into account, you know
yeah, you could.

Jordan (47:28):
You could just dnf it exactly exactly.

Fabienne (47:33):
Um, oh, I remember, because I wrote this one down oh
quite quite a while ago, likeon in my for what a few of my
reasons were to dnf a book.

Jordan (47:41):
Uh, when the author tries to make me feel bad for a
billionaire oh my god, I lovedthat like that one, because I
was like it's so true, I'm likenot one to pick up a billionaire
ever.
Yeah, like you literally got abillion reasons to be happy.

Fabienne (47:58):
Exactly.
You can just wipe your tearsaway with your dollars, honey,
you know.
No, you're good, trust me,you're good Also when the
formatting is horrible.

(48:18):
You know, like, when an actlike a normal, it has like
indentations, like you know,like oh yeah, jumps at the
beginning of a sentence toindicate like a new paragraph
when that is not done right, orlike the indentation is just too
, I guess, short.
Or instead of indentations,people use like blank, like when
you press enter on yourkeyboard, like the blank space
between like lines.
Disgusting.
It just, honestly, truly itjust.

(48:41):
I reacted physically to that.
I get goosebumps.
I'm like no, no, absolutely,not Absolutely.
Absolutely not, no Um fair.

Jordan (48:52):
I think that like doesn't bother me, but I think
it's more so because I can readit so lucky to be you I know who
doesn't want to be me.

Fabienne (49:03):
I'm obsessed with me I am too.
I am too, you know, I am.
I mean, I try not to show toomuch because I don't want to
freak you out, but yes, I am.
I mean, I have an attachment,that's, you know, dedicated to
you.
Poses on the wall little shrine.

Jordan (49:19):
Perfect, perfect, perfect.
I'm like no wonder my back'shurting Mm-hmm yeah.

Fabienne (49:31):
Um, do you have another reason for me?

Jordan (49:35):
I don't think so.
I'm like so bad I didn't writeany down, so I'm probably going
to think of so many after thisis done.
But good amount.

Fabienne (49:45):
I guess, when there's too many words that it's kind of
obvious that an author usedlike a thesaurus oh, it's like
me when I was trying to writelike essays back in the day for
college you know like probablyshould use this word and then

(50:06):
it's like it doesn't fit thecontext when that's when it's
starting to get like obvious ina book Nope, nope, nope, nope
doesn't fit the context whenthat's when it's starting to get
like obvious in a book nope,nope, nope, nope, nope.
Also, I guess, in that somesorry, I'm taking over here I
guess um, also in that same vein, and I guess this applies more
to me than to you as, like youknow, also being dutch, but then

(50:28):
able to speak um english, um, Ican't say this.
Well, maybe I can't, I'll just,maybe people will pick up on it,
maybe not, there wasn't.
There is an author, indieauthor, who uh wrote a gothic
type of spooky story, um, andshe implemented dutch words, uh,

(50:55):
and I'm fairly sure that shewent like through a sensitive
reader, like a better reader,who made comments on it that it
was all right and like correct,um, but it didn't translate at
all.
They were just like wronglyused, um, so strange and also
just like foreign, like theforeignization of words like
mid-sentence um, I guess just aweird use of um being uh able to

(51:20):
speak like two languages andpeople are like wanting to show
that in a sentence.
No, it feels very forced, youknow, when people um are just
like multilingual yeah, I feellike there's a time, or if, like
I I get.

Jordan (51:37):
I struggle with that too , in the sense of like them
using like Russian or, um, likeItalian, if, if an author can do
it well enough, where, like,maybe afterwards they're like,
oh, if they they tell me whatthey wrote, like in a different

(51:57):
language, like in any way andmake it sound well.
I've just read things,especially like when an author
tries to do russian, but theythen they don't tell me what
that person said and I'm likeI'm not looking it up every time
.
You tell me if it's a wordclearly like a pet name or
something and like that that'sfine, because, like, maybe I'll
look it up, maybe I won't, but Ihate full on sentences that I'm

(52:27):
like, well, I have when I havethe subtitles on and then like
the characters are speakinganother language and it will be
like speaking in Albanian,speaking in Italian, like no
bitch, I want to know whatthey're saying.
I don't like subtitle.
Yeah, they were like it was sofunny because they were like
title, that sub, and I was like,yes, but that's like how I felt

(52:51):
, or feel like that's hilarious,but like I was like that's how
I feel reading some of theselike, like, especially
especially when they switch itlike mid-sentence.
I'm like no, don't do that.
First of all, I also like, ifyou're doing full-on sentences,
like I want to know what theysaid yeah and and also like I

(53:14):
don't want to, if they're likethinking in mostly english and
then randomly thinking in adifferent language.
That makes no sense.
So I think, because you're notrandomly switching back and
forth, except if you're be like,unless your language, that
you're speaking it naturally islike, let's say, um, someone

(53:34):
like first language is italian,then like of course I can see
them thinking in italian, butthen that whole thought process
better be in fucking italian.
But no, it's in english andthen randomly italian there's
like those things so like thatkind of that will bother me.
Yeah, I agree with that, but itcan be done well.
It can be done well but, like,sometimes it's not who was that

(53:58):
writer um?

Fabienne (54:01):
she wrote like mafia romances, danielle, I think.

Jordan (54:06):
Oh my god, yes, wow wow, I like know what you're
thinking, bob.

Fabienne (54:12):
Thank you Must be the shrine.
You know it has to be, oh God,when like the Christian dude.
Oh my goodness, I mean, I willsay honestly.
I will honestly say this thisis like a DNF reason for me that
I've developed later in myInstagram because I devoured
these books.

Jordan (54:32):
Same, same like.

Fabienne (54:34):
Are you thinking?

Jordan (54:35):
of the darkest temptation yes, uh-huh, so much
fucking russian, so much russian, and I was like literally
full-on sentences and I'm likeand you know how hard it is to
fucking type a russian sentenceinto google translate it would
take me like five minutes.

Fabienne (54:58):
Honestly, that was like the onset for me to learn
Russian, because I thought itsounded pretty cute, like pretty
, pretty interesting.
You know, pretty decadent ofyou.
So that was my one year Stopped, but yes, she was the reason
that I started to love, hate theuh, the different languages and
books.

Jordan (55:14):
yeah, yeah, yep, that is what I was thinking the whole
time when I was talking about itmyself, so I get it oh, funny,
funny, funny, funny.

Fabienne (55:24):
Um, too many metaphors , I guess, especially when
they're trying to describe likesomeone's appearance, um, as in
like I don't know, her eyes werethe same color as the puddle in
my backyard, but only in a warmspring's day okay, I get it,

(55:51):
and then they're serious.
So that's a no for me.
But then I guess that also likesort of falls into the same
category of like things beingtoo overly forcibly like poetic.
So no, yeah, no I'm also justbasically it's, I guess.
I guess the one most obviousreason for me now to DNF a book

(56:16):
is when the character is likewhen the character is what.
Under 20 years old.

Jordan (56:23):
Oh yeah, being over 30,.

Fabienne (56:26):
25 is actually the lowest I can go.

Jordan (56:31):
Yeah, I've read some like lower, lower, but
especially when you like harp onages, I can't do it.
I'm like no but I don't wantanybody younger than 20 for sure
.
Like especially high school,like I don't.
I don't want like a freshman incollege either, like I'm not
even into those college storiesanymore.
Like I want like I don't knowwhat, but not that I want

(56:56):
postgraduates, please who'sgetting their doctorate.
I'll take that.
Oh my god wait.
We read deep end.
We read deep end and I'm prettysure, like she's 19, he's 22 or
she's 20 fuck me really but Ior she's 20.
Oh, fuck me Really.
But I think it's different.
Clearly they didn't act likecollege students because who?

(57:19):
Uses those fucking big-asswords.
That is true, that's oneBig-ass words and I'm like what
the fuck does this mean?

Fabienne (57:28):
And then we have to get a thesaurus or a dictionary,
you know, oh, my goodness, oh,were they like so young.
Did we just age them up, likesubconsciously?

Jordan (57:39):
but I don't think it was like see like an age, like age
can be fine if it like works.
Like that was a college romance, like so it worked and it
didn't harp on ages, like Idon't need to be retold that
she's young, she's like innocent, timid, like just reaffirming a

(58:01):
younger age.

Fabienne (58:02):
I don't need that and I don't want that no, okay no
virgins, no virgin, except I didread one, that was one, but
like DNF yes but also, veryspecifically, if it doesn't do

(58:24):
anything to drive the plotfurther, if it's just there for
like I guess or if that's likethe whole point of it, is like
no a surprise now I have read,just for me it's just,
especially if it's marketed as asurprise pregnancy, I just
won't even pick it up but some

Jordan (58:44):
people have done it right, because I know we've read
a book that was like a surprisepregnancy and but it wasn't the
main plot of the book and itlike worked and I love that
author so I would read whateverthey wrote.
So that's different.
But if like, sure, if you knowit's a book that's gonna have it
, I'm like no.
And if something, if it's likethey get together, you don't

(59:07):
know it.
They get together in thebeginning and let's say I made
it past that already and thenshe ends up pregnant, then I'm
out fair, same.

Fabienne (59:19):
But I'm just no, not same.
I'm just out, like when it's apregnancy, regardless.
Nope, nope, we out, we all.
I guess my last dnf reason thatI can think of from the top of
my head is that when it's like aromance book but the main
characters actually like show nochemistry whatsoever, like none

(59:47):
, none.
Like things happen, very, like,even platonically, and there's
no like inside thoughts from setmain characters, that shows to
Rita that they are developinglike some sort of like
attraction for one another, butthen all of a sudden it's boom,
they're together then no, fair,okay, I actually have one too,

(01:00:07):
like I have my last one.

Jordan (01:00:09):
Um, this is like kind of the reason why I like left dark
romance.
But if a story is dark solelybecause it's just the shock
factor, like I'm gonna put inthis dark scene or this dark
moment just to get the readergoing, damn, I'm like no, yeah,
there's no like point to it.

(01:00:30):
Does it make sense?
We don't want it or I don'twant it no, no, no.

Fabienne (01:00:35):
We, as in you and I, collectively, we don't want it.
We but, also we don't want it.
Oh god, yeah, that one book andyou and I both, no, okay, okay,
another last one, because thismakes me spiral, in the sense of
, like I knew which book you'retalking about just now, but then
also in that scene, um, whenthere's too many, I guess,

(01:00:57):
genres or like things that arepopular currently tropes.
Thank you, that's the word likethrown into it yeah, yeah, it's
like I.

Jordan (01:01:07):
I just like a puke of tropes just like because you
like, oh, like everybody'sloving hockey, let's throw some
hockey in there.
Like everybody's loving onehorse.
So yeah, let's, they're ahockey player, but he rides a
horse occasionally, like I, youknow, his uncle has a farm.
Yeah, make it dark, you knowlike, and then it's a cowboy

(01:01:30):
because he has his uncle, has afarm, and then he's also a
billionaire because everybodyloves billionaires he's also on
the cover because he doesn'twant anyone to know that he's
because his dad.

Oh yeah, secret identity, oh yeah exactly she's
like a.

Jordan (01:01:46):
She's like a pop singer that wants like a simple life.
So she's going to this farm toride some horses and milk some
cows.
Small town type of girl, yeahso it fucking hits everybody,
but then it actually hits nobodycomplete miss.

Oh, disgusting.
Disgusting, no, just no, buthonestly like because the thing
is, when you pick up a book andI guess, like the general you,
but also me specifically here isthat when I finally sit down to
actually like actively readlike a physical book, like fuck,
yes, and then one of all theseread, like all of those reasons,

(01:02:27):
they just, you know, pop uplike oh, my goodness, oh the
writing, oh the fuck ishappening actually wait, how
many chapters do I have left?
Oh, wait, what time I pick upmy phone like oh, I generally
feel like so sad because Ireally wanted to have like a
good time to read, you know, orlike have a good time reading,
um, but then it just like allfalls apart.
So I mean, the dnf reasons arefunny, but it's actually really,

(01:02:51):
really sad, because I generallydo not want to DNF a book.
I want to enjoy books.
But yeah, these are my reasonsand they're valid.

Jordan (01:03:00):
They are, and these are my reasons, because I said
something too, but mostly Iagreed with you.

Mostly, I also agreed with you, so that's a good thing
.
Thank you so much for listening.

Jordan (01:03:11):
And please don't forget to rate and review wherever you
can find us.
So catch you next time.
Bye.

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