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August 4, 2025 67 mins

Suzanne Collins has done it again, masterfully filling in the blanks of the Hunger Games universe while breaking our hearts in the process. We dive deep into how this prequel transforms our understanding of the alcoholic mentor from District 12, exploring his journey from a non-drinker to the broken man who could barely function without liquor in the original trilogy. 

What makes this exploration particularly fascinating is how it reveals that resistance against the Capitol didn't begin with Katniss. From Lucy Gray Baird to Haymitch to finally Katniss Everdeen, there's been a continuous thread of rebellion stretching across generations of Panem citizens. We examine the unexpected connections between characters across books, including the revelation that Katniss' father had Covey heritage, creating a subtle lineage that runs throughout the saga.

We also can't help but speculate about the upcoming film adaptation slated for November 2026, debating potential casting choices and reminiscing about our teenage obsessions with the original Hunger Games movies (including Jordan's confession about owning a Mockingjay pin!).

Whether you've just finished the book or are deciding if it's worth reading, join us for this spoiler-filled conversation about trauma, resilience, and how the most unexpected characters can become essential threads in the tapestry of revolution. May the odds be ever in your favor!

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Jordan (00:08):
welcome to the bookish hour with joran fob.

Fabienne (00:12):
No, that's like a thing of mine that I always have
to repeat whatever he says.
It's like a stupid, stupidhabit, but you know I like it.
I like it do, we, do we.

Jordan (00:25):
I mean, why not?
Why, very true, take a crazychance.
Why not do a crazy dance?
I don't know.

Fabienne (00:37):
I think, girl, I don't know why, there's that again a
reference that I do not get youknow.
You know what we should do whenwe do get like together.
Do not get you know.
You know what we should do whenwe do get like together,
whenever I feel like we shoulddo like like one of those um
sleepovers that you see in, likeall those teen movies where we
just up watching the entirenight having popcorn, wines,

(00:58):
coke, zeros and just like thewhole shebang, and then watch
all of these you know cliche,dick, flick movies and then then
, finally, I will understand allof your references, all of your
pop culture references yes,honestly.

Jordan (01:13):
Yes, that is what we should do, just because, oh,
those like 2000 movies, like themid to late 2000 movies,
honestly, early 2000s, because,if you count, legally blonde,
that was right true, that wasright before?

Fabienne (01:29):
wait, no, that it wasn't.
Was that the zeros?
Was that in the 90s?
No zero is definitely zeros.
Yeah, it was 2001 yeah, girl,you and your dates and movies
look at you.
You would do so well with oneof those tv shows.

Jordan (01:44):
You know where you can want like one million dollars if
you know this question but only, like 2000s, movies that I've
seen, like if I haven't seen it,I don't, I don't know.
So only those.
So it's like if they were toask me when, what year legally
blonde was released, I couldgive you, I could win that

(02:04):
question, but that's about itthat's like my one one hidden
talent not so hidden anymore, isit since?

Fabienne (02:14):
no, all the fine folk of the bookish hour know like
know about it now all 30 of themyou shouldn't give away.
You shouldn't give away ourdeeds, just just don't, don't,
don't, don't give that away.
Some things must be hidden,something must be 30 000 oh
right, I just cut you off like Ido.

(02:35):
Yeah, I just did it poorly thistime.
Um, okay, two questions for youokay well, I actually just one,
or like two wrapped in one.
Do you want to?
Do you have a good weekend.
If so, do you want to share it,or or should we just dive in
this episode?

Jordan (02:58):
I don't have a good week , but I do want to share what
happened to me earlier today.
But it's not necessarily goodweek, but it's just like one of
those things that like, ofcourse it happened, so like Nick
already left for work, so it'sjust me, and Nero is still a
kitten, so he does kitten things.
And one of those kitten thingsis he'll poop in the litter box,

(03:23):
which is good job, good job.
But then he proceeds to step insaid poop trying to cover it,
and then we'll jump out of thelitter box, shake his feet to
get the poop litter off,proceeds to spread it everywhere

(03:44):
.
Then, as I'm trying to cleanhim and give him a bath, it's
getting all over me.
So not only did I have to cleanhim up, then I had to clean the
stuff up and then I had to takea shower.
So that was what my morningconsisted of and I felt like I
really needed to share that andI was just like thank you course

(04:04):
.
Nick already left and I had todo it by myself.

Fabienne (04:10):
It's like he had like some sort of foresight, you know
, like he saw this was comingand he was like you know what
honey babe, I see you later.
I'm gonna go now.
Good luck, Godspeed.

Jordan (04:20):
Godspeed, yeah, so I had to share that.
Did, did.
Okay, did you have somethingyou wanted to share, or did you
just want to dive in?

Fabienne (04:29):
not like anything in particular.

Jordan (04:31):
I actually just really want to dive in because when I
got your text earlier today andyou said that you finally
finished sunrise under reaping-I okay, yes, hi yes, yes, yes I
was like so close to finishinglast night that I was like I
probably had like two and a halfhours left, like at eight
o'clock at night.
But I was like yes, yes, yes,and I would have had to wait a

(04:52):
whole week to talk about it.
So I was like I can't.

Fabienne (05:05):
I could not have waited any longer to be really
honest with you.
I know that we had somethingelse in mind for today, which I
will not say because we can savethat for another later episode,
but I was so happy that youtexted me and like honey, I
finished, I finished this book.
I'm like yes.

Jordan (05:20):
I'm like so, like I'm, I'm like so happy that it ended
up like working out that, likewe could discuss it today, and
like I I finished, oh my God.
And poor Haymitch, he got likethe short end of the stick for
like everything, president Snowkilled everyone.
He loves.

Fabienne (05:40):
He really did.
You know what's reallyinteresting actually, look, okay
, the thing is when you write aprequel to a series and
obviously you can write all thethings that you may have hinted
at, in, like previous books, solike the original trilogy, right
, but a lot of things make somuch more sense now as well, if
you look at it from your currentperspective, having all this

(06:04):
new information from thisprequel.
And then if you, for example,also like look at the from your
current perspective, having allthis new information from this
prequel, and then if you, forexample, also like look at the,
like the films of the, theoriginal hunger games, you're
like, oh wait, it makes so muchmore sense why he is the way he
is in that movie, or you know it.
Just, it all just like clicks.
But I, I, actually I I criedwhen um lenore dove, like oh,

(06:28):
when she died.

Jordan (06:29):
Oh my god, and with the gumdrop tears in my, in my eyes,
it was so sad jord it was likeit was, oh my god, it was so sad
because it was like he had justgot, like got to her and she
this gumdrop, and he's like wait, what do you mean?
Those aren't the ones I gaveyou.
And then like, oh, it was sosad.

(06:52):
I was like no, but like youkind of know that it's coming
because he doesn't have anybody.
Very true, so like you kind ofknow, hi Roto, I know.

Fabienne (07:10):
He's like very's clean .

Jordan (07:10):
I can, I can see you watched him well, but I feel
like I wasn't sure if, if wewould get a sort of thing where
lenore would be maybe alive fora little bit and then she would
like I don't know if like wouldkill her off later because
clearly, like, he's a drunk andan alcoholic, like in the hunger

(07:33):
games trilogy.
So you knew that was coming andyou knew, like his backstory
was going to be reallyheartbreaking because of that,
especially when the book startedoff with him like not being a
drinker.
I'm like, oh, like the factthat I I kind of like that
suzanne did that like startedthe book being like, oh, he,
like I'm not a drinker, I'm likenot a big drinker.

Fabienne (07:55):
I don't like I'm gonna give this like white liquor
away to the like him being likenot able to function without
alcohol now and it just like, oh, it breaks my heart I know, I
mean, I I think he also likespecifically tells who was this
guy um heavensby, like when hewas not a game maker, but like

(08:16):
yet when he was like still likedoing this prop thing, like the
propaganda, like thing for umyeah, like the capital when he
was covering.

Jordan (08:23):
Yes to tell of his eyes, sort of thing.
Yeah, like the.

Fabienne (08:27):
He was put in District 12 to show everyone, you know,
like the propaganda for like theHunger Games, anyways.
But I think he got handed byHavaspe like a drink and he was
like I'm not like a big drinkermyself and then, thinking of how
he is now in the Hunger Games,I was like, oh my God, that is
so sad, it is actually reallysad, Right, and I'm like I was

(08:48):
reading this and as so, likeside note, as I was reading this
, I ended up buying PresidentSnow's sequel or prequel.
Oh, you did.

Jordan (08:57):
Yeah, because I kind of now want to read it.
Like I almost wish I startedwith that one.
Then this one then dived intothe Hunger Games, because as I'm
reading this I'm like, fuck,now I really want to reread the
Hunger Games.
But then I was like, well, Ihaven't read President Snow's
story.
So I don't know if maybe I'llread the Hunger Games again and
then go into President Snow'sstory or read President Snow and

(09:20):
then the hunger games.
But I really liked the epiloguewhere it like jumps way into
the like future, talking aboutkatniss and pita and like and
like.
That's like the.
That made me sad too, becausehe's like I don't want to get
anybody, like I don't want tobecome close to anybody and
that's like why he kept pushingthem away.

Fabienne (09:40):
And oh my gosh, it was just so sick I know, and even
if you think about it now tooagain, like when you have all
this new mission and then youlook again back at like the
trilogy, right and um, so he gotreaped, but this time um, so in
, um catching fire.
When it's another uh, quarterquell, hamish is actually

(10:05):
legally reaped this time, butthen obviously peter like jumps
in and volunteers as a tribute,but this like his first time.
He wasn't like reaped umlegally, but he just got reaped
twice and that makes it evensadder.
Actually I don't you know, likeon a quarter of quell as well,

(10:26):
like the first time oh, becauselike the second time he yeah,
yeah yes, I mean she really likewhat was her name, like susanne
call is, like the writer, she,I mean we all knew how hamish's,
like hunger games, how thatended because of all the
glimpses and like the snippetsthat we have been shown, slash,

(10:48):
told through, like various pointof views, how we won the Hunger
Games and I think, mockingjay.
I want to say part one, themovie but also like snippets in
Catching Fire.

Jordan (11:14):
Well, so I don't remember like snippets, but I
remember in book one Katnissasking him like on the train, on
the way to the Capitol, Ibelieve, where she was, like how
, like how did you win the games?
And he's like it was veryinteresting because I remember
thinking the whole time before Istarted this book that he
always told Katniss and PETAthat basically he hid, he hid
away and he didn't do anythingand all his advice was to hide,
to run and hide and be the lastone standing.

(11:34):
So I thought it was veryinteresting because I didn't
know how she would play intothat.
But I think it's really coolbecause he literally did so much
, but a lot of what he did waslike the going behind President
Snow and like trying to sabotagethe game.
So of course President Snow isnot going to show any of that.

(11:54):
So what he does, what ends upon the screen for all to see,
does look like he's like acoward hiding.
So he plays into that.
And so I thought that was veryinteresting and I thought that
was kind of cool how that cameto, like how she did that.
So it's like I don't know likeI, because I was, I was just

(12:16):
like very curious how she wasgoing to go about his story and
I thought she did it really well.
Like how?
Because I I still believe thatthis book and president snow's
story wasn't necessarily a storyshe was ever gonna write like I
think it started and ended withthe hunger games trilogy.
But I have a feeling the sick,the success behind behind the

(12:37):
books and the movies, like shewas.
Either she was like yes, wantto write more, or I think more
so her publisher and agent andeditor were like you should
write more.
And she's like OK, maybe,because, if you think about it,
like, I believe the firsttrilogy came out in 2008.
And then we got PresidentSnow's story in 2000.

(13:00):
Granted, I think like to the, Imean the movie.
I think the books came out inlike 2008 ish.
Then the movie, the first one,came out in 2012, 13, 14, 15 so
I think yes so I think, justlike the success of all of that
they were.
I think she had been working onPresident Snow's prequel, and

(13:26):
maybe President Snow's prequelis always going to come, who
knows.
But I don't necessarily believethat it was like her original
idea to begin with.
But with what you were saying,I do agree with you that I think
this is a prequel to CatchingFire.

Fabienne (13:42):
Yeah.

Jordan (13:43):
Yeah, because of all the people.
And it even explains to likehow, um, why eris?
Because, like even in themovies, you you know how she's
kind of like.
She says random things but,like you know, something's like
wrong with her and I didn't evenmake the connection when she
was their mentor and she liketalked completely normal.
I didn't even realize until hecomes back from the games and

(14:06):
she's like not right anymore.
So I was like oh my god, Iforgot that.
Like she wasn't, she would justsay like like I just remember,
in the movies for catching fireshe just kept saying tick tock,
tick tock, tick tock, to explainthat it was a clock, but like
no one was understanding why shewas doing that.
So I don't know.
Like I think it was really coolhow she she like explained

(14:30):
different things, and now I justreally hope we get a prequel
for mockingjay.
I hope you have any idea or likeguesses as to whose prequel
that might be or like from youknow the perspective I still
well after what you mentioned,because you were saying finnick

(14:50):
and I would love a finnick story, but I think you said somebody
else too that I don't joanna.

Fabienne (14:58):
I wouldn't have met if it weren't joanna see, I want
finnick more.

Jordan (15:02):
I feel like we need a finnick story just because of
his ending in the mockingjaythat I'm like he needs yeah, he
needs his own story.
But I don't, I don't know.
But I heard so I was talking tonick about sunrise on the
reaping and he was saying thathe saw some.
He's like I don't know if it'sactually real or if it's like a

(15:24):
fan cast, but like some stuffbehind the movie for Sunrise on
the Reaping which, with thesuccess rate of the Hunger Games
and the Ballad of Songbird andSnakes or whatever, I'm like you
know there's going to be amovie on this.
Like when is it coming out?
I don't know, but you knowthere will be a movie.

Fabienne (15:50):
Oh no, it definitely will be like a date has been set
already, actually like nextnext year, honey, november 20th,
or I think, november 20th 2026.
Yes, yeah, yeah, and there'sreally like rumors as to who is
going to be like casted for castcasted.
Who's going to be like theyoung image cast?
I don't know what the pasttense is what have you?

Jordan (16:08):
what have you seen?

Fabienne (16:09):
I haven't seen anything I have seen like um,
ralph finds, the guy who playsvoldemort in the harry potter
movies he is going to.
There's like rumors of himbeing cast as a younger.
Um, uh, snow, which I I didn't.
I mean honestly, I would haverather seen like a no name, or

(16:32):
actually keever sutherland, whois the son of the actual actor
who portrayed snow in the firsttrilogy, because they were so
much alike, and he actually islike the same age as in this
prequel, so that would have madeso much more sense.
And he actually is like thesame age as me in this prequel,
so that would have made so muchmore sense.

Jordan (16:48):
That would have been fucking cool.

Fabienne (16:50):
Right and I don't really know who.
They either like a fan cast orlike rumored to cast for
Haymitch, something, something,something with a Tom.
I want to say I don't know.
I can look it up for you in ahot second.
I will.

Jordan (17:07):
Tom Holland.

Fabienne (17:08):
No, not God.
I hope not, that would I mean.
I really like Tom Holland, buthe would be a terrible hate
match.

Jordan (17:18):
I don't know.
I think he could actually be agood Haymitch, young Haymitch,
like I'm thinking of hischaracter in Spy Kids, and I
think he could be a good youngHaymitch, but not a Haymitch now
, like not in the Hunger Games,spider-man.

Fabienne (17:39):
Spy Kids.
That was no Spider-Man, yes,sorry.
Spy Kids actually is a greatmovie, but that's like with
spies and their kids.
And no spiders Antonio Banderas,yeah, and Carla, something,
something, and then, anyways,you just nod, yes, spy Kids

(18:01):
actually is a great movie,anyways, we, you just nod, yes,
spike is actually a great movie,anyways, yes, spider-man, I'll
look it up for you who they havefor Hamish, but then also for
Heavensby God, I forget his name, do you know?
Wait, do you know Kirsten Dunst, the actress?

(18:22):
Yeah, yeah, okay, do you happento know who her partner is,
like who her husband is?
It's also an actor.
Oh well, they, there's rulesgoing around like, yeah, that'd
be, yeah interesting he's gonnabe like heavens, heavens be who
would want cast as Haymitch?

(18:45):
Honestly, I don't really have aset preference, but I have seen,
even before this book came out,or you know, yeah, before this
book came out.
I think it's this one guy whogot burned in house of the
dragon, like this king.
Have you seen house of thedragon?

Jordan (19:07):
I know you have seen game of thrones I've seen house
of the dragon but I couldn'ttell you, oh, like a kid, no, no
no, no, amen a agon, something,something oh oh, oh, listen,
listen.

Fabienne (19:27):
You have like the guy with like the eye patch and then
his brother yeah, the yeah andhe later yeah, but then without
like his pale whatever yeah, andlike without the blonde hair,
he's more of like a dark blondeand he's our he has.
He's like a more I don't knowbetter.
He has a better look if he'snot playing in house of the

(19:48):
dragon.
Um, I think actually he might.
Yeah, I think he might be agood fit for it.
But you know, they, all therumors, they they seem true and
not rumors yeah so I I kind ofagree with you.

Jordan (20:02):
I almost like feel like they should give especially
haymitch, should be like kind ofa no-name person, I feel like,
because I feel like I wouldyoung, I think I think that
would be my preference actuallyyeah, because I feel like
president snow was like ano-name to like young president
snow and kind of too with likelucy, lucy gray I think she was

(20:27):
more because it like rachel shedid like west side story so like
she had a little bit ofrecognition but like she wasn't
anybody like really big at it,like that they could have cast.
So I feel like I think it wouldbe kind of cool if they gave
hey mitch like to a no name.
I kind of agree like that.

(20:47):
Let me just look it up becauseI think actually it's.

Fabienne (20:50):
It's a little bit of a similar like to rachel's
situation.
Like you would, he would haveprobably like done some cat,
like some acting roles before,but it's not like a big name or
anything.

Jordan (21:00):
Rumor cast young but that would be amazing for it to
come out like in the november ofnext year, like 2026.

Fabienne (21:14):
I would die honestly, just in time for my birthday.
Okay, so his name is charlieplumber.
Can you see, honestly, just intime for my birthday.
Okay, so his name is CharliePlummer.

Jordan (21:27):
Can you see, as a young Hay, Is that like who's the guy
next to him?
I don't.

Fabienne (21:32):
The older guy is like Ralph Fiennes, like the
Voldemort guy.

Jordan (21:36):
Oh, so he would be the President Snow guy.
I don't know if I like thatyoung kid as Haymitch.

Fabienne (21:43):
The only thing that I like is that he is someone that
I don't know.
Yeah, for some reason, I thinkmovies that have like such you
know, such like an expectationto live up to.
I feel like if there's peoplein there that you know have done
all, if you would really weirdexample, but if you would like
throw a brat pit in there, I'mlike I don't know if that would

(22:03):
work.
I want to have, like all thepeople who you know deserve to
portray, like these characters,to like their own um, in their
own way, kind of thing.
Yeah, yeah, I think so, and Ithink if you throw, like you
know like an, like an AnneHathaway or not, that she's

(22:35):
ready for this movie.

Jordan (22:36):
But I just don't want, like all the big people, like I
wouldn't want, like LeonardoDiCaprio, to play like a young
President Snow, like I feel likeit has to be like certain
people, because I feel like forthe Hunger Games I liked
Jennifer Lawrence, but shewasn't that big yet.
I feel like the Hunger Gamesmade her big, like she was in

(23:00):
some like good movies, like shewas in a in some like good
movies, like she was in x-men,but not like a really big role.
It wasn't like a star role.
She was like kind of like aside character.
She did a couple indie films andlike I especially the first
hunger games, like that like Ilearned, like I read so much

(23:20):
about that movie because I wasso excited for it, yeah, and I
think like they cast thatperfectly because they had some
people that were bigger names atthe time, like Liam Hemsworth
had just did the last song withMiley Cyrus and I think his name
was like a little bit bigger.
And then there was JoshHutcherson, which he was he's

(23:42):
kind of like at the time.
He was like in things out ofthings, but like people knew who
he was and like, and then ofcourse, like uh, donald
Sutherland I think his firstname is Donald Don, I think so.
I think I think so I'm notpositive, but like I know he's
like a pretty big, like he'slike a bigger actor, but like

(24:03):
the fact that he had like asmaller role as president snow,
I thought that was like kind ofcool how they like did that so.
But I think, like especiallythe hunger games trilogy and
honestly the the presidentsnow's uh prequel, like I think
they did a very good job casting.

Fabienne (24:21):
So I feel like as long as it's like the same people.

Jordan (24:24):
I think I kind of agree with you like they'll do a good
job casting this one.
At least I hope so, because Ifeel like you need to you kind
of need to?
Yes, so we'll like put it intheir hand.
I mean there's not, it's we'lllike put it in their hands.
I mean it's not like wecouldn't not put it in their

(24:46):
hands, but like hopefully theydon't fuck it up.
But going back to like the book, can I ask you how many stars
you rated it?

Fabienne (24:57):
Four and a half.

Jordan (24:58):
Oh my gosh, Not five stars.

Fabienne (25:02):
No, not five stars.

Jordan (25:04):
I did rate mine five stars.
I was like five stars for you.

Fabienne (25:08):
I don't know.
I think I mean I read it like Iwant to say one sitting, but
that's like a big well, it was abig, fat lie.
I mean I read it like I did,but not like one sitting.
There were some parts that Iwould have wanted to see
different well, I guess.
so I mean, well, not, how do Iexplain this?

(25:32):
Um, I was a little bitdisappointed with how, but I
think maybe that was like thepoint of it all too like how,
because I expected for lenoredove to die, like from the first
page that we knew of herexistence.
I thought, okay, this is goingto just go downwards, downhill
from here anyways, because wedon't know about her existence
in the Hunger Games trilogy.

(25:52):
So something must have gonewrong from this book to 24, 25
years later when Katniss andPeta are reaped for the Hunger
Games.
So you know that she's gonnadie or you know, you have like
this feeling.
But it felt so anticlimactic, um, like it was just like, you
know, like a poisonous berry orlike a poisonous gumdrop, and

(26:14):
I'm like I think maybe that'sthe point of it all, um too,
because I think I have seen somepeople note on it how it's
similar to Katniss and Peetaeating like those night
nightlock berries, almost likethe nightlock.
So I think it was like, like itwas some sort of like I don't

(26:36):
know symbolism for that, maybe,but it just went so fast I don't
really know what I would havewanted.
I think it worked really wellfor this story and I think it
worked really well for you know,like the overall character
growth or like character umdownfall exactly yeah, um, uh,

(26:58):
from Hamish, but I don't know, Ithink I don't know what I
wanted, but I it just felt likeso abrupt.
But I also think maybe that'sthat was the entire point,
because you know, one moment shewas there and then the other
moment she wasn't.
Um, what I actually did reallylike was how it fucked with

(27:19):
district 12's tributes, minds,how luella, how she was just
like also dead, but then theycame in with like lulu, I mean
also luella, but then like luluand I was, I thought that was, I
mean obviously like it'sfucking sick and it's fucking
twisted, um, but I think thatwas a really curious and well

(27:42):
written, um, I guess, storydrive, if that makes sense.
Like you know, like um, um, aplot drive.
How do you say that?
I don't know.
But I don't know, I'm, mythoughts were really all over
the place.
It wasn't a five-star read forme, like again, because I had
some I don't know expectations,but then also I don't know what
I wanted.
I don't know what I would havehad, but it wasn't yeah, yeah, I

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do.

Jordan (28:07):
I thought it was cool with lulu and luella, or luella
with that side of it, because Ithink that's from iron flame oh,
onyx sword, that we didn't knowthat was either a place or like
oh, my god, I forgot.
I forgot, honestly, that book.
Like I read it and then it justleft my brain and you just

(28:28):
brought it right back in.
I am so sorry but I, I like, Ilike that they she added that in
there, especially because it'salmost like it's like that if
you were to actually read thisin order, it gives you what
happened to pita.
It's like a foreshadowing of,like him being mind altered,

(28:51):
because she's like I'm luellamccoy from district 12.
I'm luella mccoy from district12, so I think it's kind of cool
that they she threw that inthere.
So I agree with you.
I actually.
So bringing it back to Lenoreand how, when she died, you knew

(29:11):
it was coming the whole time.
I know you mentioned too, youshed a tear and I've seen people
on Instagram bawling their eyesout because of something that
happened and I have a feelingit's her dying.
I did not cry.
I think I cried more when wegot PETA back and he was like

(29:35):
mind altered.
Yeah, but I think it's because,and, of course, like there's
only so much you can do with onebook versus three books and
having like drawing this, likefeeling towards a character, but
I feel like I didn't reallycare for Lenore and maybe that's

(29:56):
because I knew she was going todie.
But I don't think we got enoughof her and Hamish and like in
that building and I know it didstart with him already being
with her and like being is likeone love and stuff like that.
But I think I was, I don't know, like I just I didn't have this

(30:22):
like connection with her and Ihad more of a connection with
Luella and like her sudden deathand being like what, like come
again and then like then moreand maybe the it was because of
the shock of it and I didn'texpect her to die then.

(30:42):
So I think when Eleanor died Iwas like, oh okay, like we knew
it was coming.
I just I didn't care about like,how Like it was, like, oh, of
course it's like the fuckinggumdrops.

Fabienne (30:58):
Because I think the whole time too, you just
accepted it.
Then you just continued to readLike no, I completely actually
understand and I kind of bumdrops because I think the whole
time you just continue to readlike, no, I completely actually
understand and I kind of agreewith you too in that sense,
because you kind of you see itlike I said you know that it's
going to happen, so also preparefor it in a way, um, but I
think the entire point as wellwas that you, you like the

(31:19):
reader, not you specifically butthat you should feel for Hamish
when she dies, not because shedied for Hamish and I think that
was done really well, becauseyou can actually because of that
, you know, he becomes who hebecomes Exactly so.

Jordan (31:38):
It's like I know that was needed, because then you
need to see like all right, likehe's not a drinker before.
So it's like I know that wasneeded, because then you need to
see like all right, like he'snot a drinker before.
So something happens.
And I like how she did that.
And then like the secret to ofher painting those like sayings
and like him coming across itlike okay, like I can't, I can't

(31:59):
end my life because I need tostop the games, and I think I
really like that he was able tostop the games and like
Eleanor's promise is the thingthat gets him through it.
So I think that's cool.
I liked that and don't get mewrong, it's still a five-star
read for me.
I just I didn't cry Like I waslike ah, she dead five-star read

(32:25):
for me.

Fabienne (32:25):
I just I didn't cry like I was like ah, she dead.
Honestly, all the people like,who filmed themselves and then
like, post all of their crysessions on instagram one, I
don't think you actually, Idon't really believe people cry
that hardcore when you know whenthey read the book.
Also, why would you post, whywould you post your?
Why would you post this ofyourself like crying, like
bawling your eyes?

Jordan (32:43):
out.
I don't get like don't get mewrong.
Like I love Haymitch and I wasso excited for his book, like I
was so excited for it.
But I was like, is it like?
Did I just like not?
Yeah, I'm like, did I just likemiss something?
Did I like not connect withthese characters enough?
But like I know, like I wasobsessed with PETA and Katniss

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so like when that whole thinghappened I was like devastated.
But I know too, we got two fullbooks of PETA and Katniss.

Fabienne (33:11):
And then I can't really compare, it's still.

Jordan (33:14):
Yeah, but that's why I kind of want to read President
Snow's prequel, because I feellike, will I?
But then I know too so manypeople have said that they hate
his prequel.
But I think what I think, whypeople hate, it is because they
can't, they don't feel for himand I'm like but you're not

(33:36):
supposed to.
He's supposed to be theunlikable character because he's
literally the evil villain inall the other books.
So like you're not supposed tolike him.
So like that's the point.

Fabienne (33:49):
So I don't know.

Jordan (33:51):
Yeah.
So I'm like I'm very curious.
But I thought it was kind ofcool Like we got in this one.
We got Katniss's like dad, likeBurloklok Everdeen, and then
like in the epilogue when hetalks about seeing Katniss as a
baby and then Burlok dying inthe mines, I was like no.

Fabienne (34:15):
I know, but actually I felt more in that moment than
when Lenore died.

Jordan (34:19):
Yes, same, I was like oh .

Fabienne (34:24):
But honestly also him—sorry, I have to interject
no say say it's now canon thatwe know that.
Um uh, katniss is technicallylike a covey because her dad was
a covey, or like hailed from acovey, hailed from covey,
whatever however you want tocall it yeah, or it's like
because, without a lenore too.

Jordan (34:43):
So then it just like, and it connects the two with um
lucy like was a covey, um, andhow they're connected, which
because, like I think it's alsosaid too, that like katniss is
like a like great, great, great.
Something related to Lucy too,so I think it's like cool how

(35:05):
she's like connecting these.

Fabienne (35:08):
I have seen that, but I think I've also seen.
Okay, wait, let's write thisdown sort of Just in a
hypothetical sense.
So we have Lucy Greybeard, justin a hypothetical sense.
So we have Lucy Greybeard.
There is speculation that sheis actually Lenore Dove's mother
, because we don't see hermother in this prequel.
Yes, and or is it?

(35:34):
No, no, wait, no, no, no, I'mlying you.
You are actually right, I'm,I'm, I'm, I'm confusing two
things.
Um, in you, okay, so we haveboth seen the film, though like
person snows prequel, right.
Um, lucy gray baird has afriend, maude something,

(35:54):
something like the the blondecurly girl.
Oh, I thought.

Jordan (36:01):
Maud was like her part of her poem.
Like her because all of theCovey girls are related with a
flower, right and a color, solike, yes, lucy Eleanor Dove

(36:21):
right and uh, color.
So like yes, lucy, oh, oh, itwas something eleanor right yeah
, so I think maude was like partof her poem, because they were
also but maude was also like anactual person in like a
character I should say in.
Yes, she was in the movie, butGod has it stuck with me.
I actually I almost like boughtthe movie, like the Hunger Games

(36:45):
movies, like when I was readingthis on Prime and I asked Nick
if we could watch it and he waslike I don't want to watch it
right now, so I didn't buy ityet, but I'm going to.
Are they on Netflix?
I think they're on Netflix.
No, no, they were taken Netflix.
I think they're on Netflix.
No, no, they were taken off.
Like, now they're only for like, probably because I mean they

(37:06):
were on Netflix forever.
So I actually watched them likea couple like before, right
before they left Netflix, Iwatched all of them, but now
it's like no, no, I want to likewatch them again.

Fabienne (37:19):
Anyways, we, we, we, the family ties aren't really
that important.
What is important, maceley, howshe died, very gruesome, Like
with I don't know, like thepelicans that are not pelicans,
but that was actually sohorrific.

Jordan (37:35):
Yes, that like cause it's like ah, I like you also
knew that, like everybody wasgoing to die, but like it was
one of those things that I waslike I was very curious like
what was going to happen, andI'm so happy.
They like found like each other, and I love that.
They were like he was like okay, good night sis.
I love that.
And then the fact like it waslike yeah, just the way it was

(38:01):
going to be because I think ithurt more the fact that he was
like no, I'm going to stay here.
And they were planning onparting ways, and then it was
like okay, let's share one moremeal.
And then she gets attacked.
I know Also, we felt so muchmore in that moment than when

(38:22):
lenore again died, literally,honestly, even when lulu, like,
put her face in the oh my god,and am ampered, ampered oh my
god, with the squirrel alive bysquirrels.
And I think it's just like youknow too, because, like beady,
like knew his son was going todie, and then you're like

(38:44):
waiting for it.
So it's like you, thesedifferent things like like it
and I don't know what it is,because it's like you knew all
of those people were gonna dietoo.
So it's like I knew lenore wasgonna die, but like these other
people I also knew were gonnadie, but it hurt worse.

Fabienne (38:58):
I know, because you don't know how right we didn't
know, how we also didn't knowhow?

Jordan (39:04):
Yeah, but we didn't know how Lenore was going to die too
.
I think also I might have justassumed he was going to come
back to her being dead.

Fabienne (39:11):
Yeah.
Maybe, I think I don't know.
No, I expect that actually too.

Jordan (39:19):
You know that I actually do you know, also like being in
the burning house with his offwith his ma, and that hurt more.
I don't know.
I actually don't like the bookat all.
He literally lost everybody,which is fuck, but I also, so it
kind of like makes makes mefeel, no, I like his

(39:40):
relationship with Elfie too,like, and I think it kind of
portrays like I think Haymitch,like and Elfie in the Hunger
Games did a really good job oflike that relationship, like

(40:01):
that relationship.
But I think it's funny because,like when she helps dress him
and she's like waiting with himfor like the interview and stuff
like that after winning thegames, and she's like what
happened to you was awful, andhe's like, yeah, and then like
all this stuff and he agrees,and then she's like, but I think
the Hunger Games are very muchneeded, and he's like, and you
lost me.
I was like, oh my God, yes, andI needed.
And he's like, and you lost me.
I was like, oh my god, yes, andI thought I don't know like, I

(40:22):
liked that like whole part, like, and I think that just like
sums up their relationship sowell and it's even portrayed
that way in the hunger games,which clearly like she can go
back and like, do that, but I, I, I really like, I don't know
like I will die on the hill.
That, like the hunger games andeven the prequel President
Sano's prequel is like theperfect book to film adaptation,

(40:46):
like both can stand on theirown and I think they complement
each other really well and Ithink they did such a good job
with both of those that I don'tknow.
I, I love everything that isthe Hunger Games.

Fabienne (41:02):
Yeah, what?
I also sorry this now soundslike I didn't listen to you at
all, but I did, I swear.
But I also want to note on howlike okay, so listen, when the
Hunger Games came out, came out,it was very much an era.
You know, there's this onechosen person who's going to

(41:23):
save the world, and then katnissaberdeen was that person.
But what I like when you read orlike watch the movies, but then
you have read slash, watched umthe song of snakes and
songbirds or whatever, and thenyou've read this book and turns
out every single person or likethere is always a person who has
tried to unravel the systemthat is the hunger games.

(41:47):
Like you know, like to takedown the hunger games from like
the inside.
There's always people, there'salways like this rebellion going
on.
There's always like the peoplewho are with a resistance type
of group, um, but, like heaven'sbe said, we just need someone
who is luckier, we need someonewho has like an army, um,
standing in.
You know, like behind them wehave, and I really did love

(42:12):
reading that.
How I mean, obviously you canget, get this, it's just like
you know.
Like it it's a girl in adystopian novel and of course
she's like the chosen one andshe actually, you know, manages
to get the job done, obviouslylike with all.
But I love to see how it's notjust a one time thing, I love to
see how it also with LucyGreybeard, and I also loved how

(42:35):
it was with Heaven's Gate and,yes, and with Haymitch.

Jordan (42:39):
And if you think about it too, because I was thinking,
because they're trying to breakit and they don't know, they
don't understand the arena, soit's like everybody's guessing.
But if you think about it,because even Katniss and Peeta

(43:00):
didn't break the game, theydidn't break anything.
And because literally a yearlater in Catching Fire, there's
a whole nother, there's aquarter quell, but I think, with
the luck of the quarter quellpulling from the tributes
already, or the yeah, from thewin, the victors, um, yeah, that

(43:20):
then it was all these peoplethat had previously won and I
mean at the time of like thebeginning, of like catching fire
, you don't know that they alsolike, don't like the hunger
games and what it stands for.
But like all these people arelike now you can put them
together because like beady,like he, he was too smart to

(43:43):
kill, so like you put him in thehunger games.
And then wiris, like her brainis like a genius, I mean,
they're both from district three, so it like makes sense.
But like the fact that you putall these people like these
victors, it was literally luck.
Like they were saying like like.
Hey, it wasn't lucky enough, butputting all of them in it

(44:04):
because like and what I think Iagree with you like it's always
like one person that needs tolike save the world.
But if you think about it likeKatniss had no idea any of that
was going on.
Like she no-transcript, Ivolunteer as tribute.

(44:44):
Then there's the um, uh, thehunger games where she's like
forced back into it for catchingfire.
Then there's like basically shehad to go on site to like one
of the bombings that PresidentSnow orchestrated and was like

(45:05):
then she could do it like she.
So I like that it's not herbehind everything head person,
because everybody can get behindher, because they feel for her
in the sense of like okay, shevolunteered as tribute for her
sister, because she loves hersister.
Like then, like no one wants tobe part of these games, like

(45:28):
anybody in the districts, likeno one wants to die.
So I think it's kind of cool howit is portrayed, like how su
suzanne collins portrays it asin like what you were saying is
it literally is just luckbecause?
And then they're like luckythat they get district 13.
So I think it's kind of.

(45:49):
I think it's a different way ofgoing about saving the world,
because then if you think aboutit, like with um, I, I'm just
thinking like, uh, sarah j moss,like throne of glass granted,
it is a whole different dynamicbecause that is like fantasy but
like aileen literally knowsexactly what she's doing, like

(46:13):
she is the one stopping andshe's the one orchestrating it
all, which, and again, is itsown thing, and like that's
amazing.
But I, I just like that katnissis like somebody that just has
actually no clue, but she has,like this grand team behind her,
who?

Fabienne (46:27):
exactly, just like falls into it so ironically um,
she's actually like a puppet intheir game.
What?

Jordan (46:35):
she actually like exactly doesn't want to be when
it comes to the hunger gamesitself and then like so there's
a little irony there too thatthat is true because, like,
they're using her because,remember, they like dressed her
up in mockingjay like to be thislike strong person with all
this makeup and they're like youcan't do, like no one's gonna
get bought, like everyone likethis is a catnip.

Fabienne (46:56):
And then he throws a bottle.

Jordan (46:58):
Yeah, exactly.
And then like too, with theending too, where, like the
president of District 13,whatever her name is like she
wanted to host another, like onemore Hunger Games, but with all
the capital, people, andKatniss was like what the fuck?
Mm-hmm.

Fabienne (47:23):
So I like.

Jordan (47:24):
I don't know like I think her name was coin, by the
way yes, madam, madam wait, arewe sure yeah?

Fabienne (47:30):
because I think the yeah, because I think the entire
thing is that, um, her and snoware like two sides of the same
coin.
I think that's why she wasnamed coin, because susan is
really like you know really bigon like symbolism and also greek
mythology.
Actually, did you know that shebased, like the entire books of
the hunger games on, I think,the myth of the king of crete

(47:55):
and then like his war in athens?
I think I mean, you're thegreek mythology person among us,
between us I had.

Jordan (48:03):
No, I didn't know, I didn't know, I didn't know that
I think I read that somewhere.

Fabienne (48:11):
Isn't there like a myth in greek mythology where
it's like I don't know eitherlike the king of Crete has like
something going on with likeAthens, and so Athens has to
send like x many um of itschildren to Crete, and then they
have to like slaughter, I don'tknow something.

(48:33):
It's very vague.
I think I read, I read thissomewhere somewhere that you
would that you kind kind of baseit on that myth, but I'm not
sure now.

Jordan (48:43):
Maybe I actually haven't heard of that myth, but I
wouldn't be surprised if thatwas the case.
Sorry, I was trying to gothrough the blurbs to see if I
could see President Coyne orMadam Coyne or whatever she's
called, but I think they did agood job in the description by
not giving away too many things,Because it's like even the

(49:03):
third one's like against allodds.
Katniss Everdeen has survivedthe Hunger Games twice, but I
think that's like Against allodds, huh.
But I like that because.
I've definitely had blurbs whereI haven't finished the first
book and I'm already looking atthe second book, and then I get
spoiled for something becausethey put something that I would

(49:27):
have wished they did not.
But all I know is I finishedthis book and now I really want
to read the Hunger Games andPresident Snow's prequel.
Did you ever read that?

Fabienne (49:38):
No, I did not, because I don't.
So the thing is, when it cameout in, I want to say 2019, 2020
, I think right before covidactually may 2020 so during oh,
again, you really do know yourdates, christ if I like look at
things and like it, it sticksyeah yeah.

(49:59):
So when it came out, I was likedo I have the concentration
span to read this?
I'm like, and also it's aboutsnow, do I want?
Do I want to like him?

Jordan (50:09):
like, no, exactly like I had no interest in reading him,
like the whole time he's beenout.
But then, of course, when themovie came out, I was like, well
, I love the hunger games, likeI'm, of course, I'm gonna go
watch it and it was so good.
But the thing is is like Ifinished that movie and I still
had no interest in reading thebook.
It wasn't until I finished thisbad boy that I'm like that you

(50:31):
were like maybe I should, yeah,like maybe I do want to read it
because I think she just provesthat like she's still like
Suzanne Collins is still likeamazing writer in the world of
Hunger Games.
Like she, all she has is theHunger Games.
She hasn't written anythingelse.
Not that she needs to.
I think she could live off ofthe royalties, this is like her

(50:51):
thing.

Fabienne (50:53):
And oh yeah, definitely that girl is packed
and loaded.

Jordan (50:55):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, that girl's packed and loaded oh yeah
, oh yeah, which I think kind oflike.
I was reading the about theauthor or the acknowledgments or
something at the end of thisone and she talks about how
she's like they like shededicated this book to, or the
first book to, somebody whounfortunately passed away in the
summer of 2024.

(51:16):
And she was saying that theyco-wrote shows together.
So I was like maybe this is whythe movie has done so well.
It's like she wrote this bookin mind, thinking that there
could be a movie because, like,if you think about it, it's not,
it's dystopian, but it like thehunger games translate well

(51:36):
into a movie format because it'snothing, it's not too
complicated.
It's like I don't know, like.
So I feel like and because, ifyou think to like, I didn't know
this because I've only read thefirst Divergent book and I
couldn't get into like thesecond book, and then I know
there's like four or three orfour or whatever like the second

(51:59):
book.
And then I know there's likefour or three or four or
whatever.
But I was watching the moviesand I watched the first one,
which I loved, the first one,and then the second one.
I was like this kind of sucks,and then I think there's a third
one, but they stopped becauseit never got another one, but
because it didn't do that well.
But I think it got like.
As I'm watching that, i'm'mlike I think that got too sci-fi
, fantasy ask that.

(52:21):
Then it just became toocomplicated and nobody could
follow.
But the trilogy never does that.

Fabienne (52:27):
So I think it it ends up being a very easy to
comprehend like movie wise, thatit's not too like, it's not too
complicated also they changedthe entire ending and I think
that's also like a potentialthing why they didn't go through

(52:47):
, because you said it didn't dowell, but also they changed the
ending of book three and theadaptation like a huge thing for
the hunger games no, no, no,for like the divergent series oh
really, I didn't.

Jordan (53:04):
Well, no, I thought they were planning on I.
I never finished reading it, soI have no idea what they do.
You want to know?
Do you want to do?
You want to?
Yes?

Fabienne (53:12):
yes, okay, spoiler for the divergent series.
So I okay, let me preface thisby saying that I haven't read
the series, but I went down,like you know, like a deep dive
of stories.
Like you know, um went like,fell down a rabbit hole, um, but
the third movie, um, and Idon't even know how it ended.
Actually I guess that tris likethe main character.

(53:35):
She dies in the series, in thebooks okay.

Jordan (53:38):
So I mean, I did know that, but I think it's because.
But I think it's because themovie didn't end that way,
because the way it ended italmost seemed like there was
supposed to be a whole nothermovie, and I think there's also
like there's also a whole, likean entire different box, but
then four actually ends up withchristina I don't know who that

(54:02):
is that was like her best friendzoe kravitz, whatever her name
is in the movies zoe kravitz isin the movies.

Fabienne (54:13):
Yeah and her dad, ironically, is in Hunger Games.

Jordan (54:15):
I was just going to say he's Sina.

Fabienne (54:20):
Well, he lucked out, he did the better oh my God Same
.
He lucked out.
He got the bigger.
Yeah, sorry, yes, go Iliterally okay.

Jordan (54:31):
going back to the Hunger Games, they literally cast it
so fucking well, like thetrilogy.

Fabienne (54:35):
They did.

Jordan (54:37):
They literally fucking well, like the trilogy.
Like they, literally I I haveliterally no bad things to say
about this movie or movies, likefilms or whatever, like I think
everything was so like I watchthose movies all the time, like
again, which is why I need tobuy them, because I can't watch
them on netflix anymore but Ilike I, I remember okay, so like

(55:00):
this would have been.
I was like a freshman incollege.
So like that's like the firsttime I ever read this and this
is like the series that got meback into reading.
So like this series alone justhas a special place in my heart.
But yeah I remember being at thetheater like a year before it
came out, so like 18 year old me, and a preview for it comes on
and I had seen the x-men and Ilike I was a josh hutcherson fan

(55:25):
, so like seeing, of coursejennifer lawrence and josh
hutcherson in it, that I waslike, oh my god, what is this
like?
And it looked so good and I waslike, oh my god, I like I need
to see.
But of course this was itwasn't out yet and it was just
like one of those like previews,like coming soon type thing,
and I was like what is?
And then it said, like basedoff the book, by based off the

(55:48):
novel by Susan Collins, and Iwas like what that?
I I went and then I bought thefirst book and I devoured it,
and then I bought the next two,devoured those, and I was like,
oh my gosh, like now I reallycouldn't wait until this film
came out.
And that's what got me intolike reading all about it
because, like they did so muchpublicity for the first one, for

(56:11):
like the girls those movieposters.
They were so good so good, good,like, and then even at like
different magazines, like thatmagazines picked it up for just
all about the Hunger Games, likeI had so many of those
magazines and they wereinterviewing Gary Ross who was
the director, interviewing likeall the different like district

(56:33):
people, like I remember, likeAlexander Lugwig, I think is his
name, he's like either District1 or District 2.

Fabienne (56:42):
But they interviewed Very quickly, very quickly.
I was so in love with that guywhen I was younger.
I saw him in a TV show waybefore the Hunger Games came out
, and then I realized, obviouslyyou only know Jay with a beard,
but listen to this, when he wasyounger and he had no beard, he
has like the same exact nose asthis alexander guy and it is

(57:06):
the cutest but also like thehottest thing.
So there's, there was thistrend like a while back on
instagram where you were showinglike off your, you know, like
your jay is alexander lottwickwait, say that again, say that
again.
It cut you off so there was thisum trend going like yes, on
instagram where it was like showyour teenage crotch and then

(57:28):
your current partner.
And had I done that?
Jay is except like, exactlylike the hunger games, alexander
you you should have done that.

Jordan (57:40):
So before.
This is literally all beforethis film came out, and I just
like to point out I was 18.
Okay, like, cut me some slack,but like Alexander Ludwig was
like, he also was a singer, sohe had this like one song that
he released and I would listento it on my runs over and over

(58:00):
again.
Like I can't begin to explainthe obsession I had of these
films that I was like and thefact so like because dennis
quaid's son is in it.
He's like one of the districttwo people, or district one,
yeah, whatever I I get them likeall mixed up, but like I, like
I the way I just became obsessedwith like everything about it,

(58:24):
and I had one of the mockingjaypins that I bought off of etsy.
Like I shut up.
You did not, you did not that Iyes, not that I like wore it,
but I had it, so it was likejust in my room.

Fabienne (58:35):
You can be honest, you can be honest.
You can be honest.

Jordan (58:37):
Tell, tell the people that you just wore oh my god,
just imagine if I like wore itall the time.
No, but I had it like sittingon my dresser because I was.

Fabienne (58:45):
I was like that obsessed with like the books,
the film would you have likeyour hair braided that like the
same style too, did you know?
Because?

Jordan (58:53):
no because, I do not.
I do not look good with thathairstyle, so, like I would, I
couldn't.

Fabienne (58:57):
I was like no I, but I went through like a kid has
ever deemed braid, uh, braidphase I, I, I get that, but yeah
, that definitely was not me.

Jordan (59:07):
I tried it, I tried it and I was like oh no, no no, no,
not for me no, not for me, butoh my god, I love those.
I love those films, I lovethose books, I love this book.

Fabienne (59:20):
That's why I feel like I have to read president snow
should I, but you don't thinkyou do, then maybe I mean I was
just gonna say I'm a follower,right?
I mean I've talked about thisweek before and then I gotta do
so I do it, you gotta do it, weall gotta do it.

Jordan (59:37):
I don't know like do it.
You got to do it.

Fabienne (59:38):
We all got to do it.

Jordan (59:39):
I don't know Like right Cause then, and then like we
have them both.

Fabienne (59:43):
Well then, I feel like we're doing it backwards.
You should have read that onefirst, I know.

Jordan (59:48):
I know I was.
That's what I was thinking.
I was like in the middle ofthis and I was like fuck, should
I have read then, this one thengo into the Hunger Games.
But eh you win some you losesome.

Fabienne (59:59):
True, true.
I wanted to say something Aboutthese bets.
What was this guy like?
I want to say Marcus.
It's not Marcus, the other guywho got reaped too.

Jordan (01:00:14):
Wyatt.

Fabienne (01:00:16):
Why did I say Marcus?
Do we see like any likeremnants of him or like of his
like in the actual Hunger Gamestrilogy?

Jordan (01:00:23):
like I don't think so, because there was never, ever.
I like I kind of thought wascurious, because he was like an
odds man and it never reallyexplained may the odds be ever
in your favor that I waswondering if they coined that
term from him.
But it actually sounded likethey coined that term before him
, like at the start of theHunger Games, which that

(01:00:44):
actually kind of confused mebecause and maybe because I
didn't fully I didn't readPresident Snow's story, but I
was like wait, these ages aren'tmatching up, because I thought
President Snow was the one thatstarted the Hunger Games, but
then it later in this book hetalks about how President Snow
was 18 for the 10th annualHunger Games and maybe that's

(01:01:06):
when they just started decidedto start filming it.
I don't really know why,because you know what I mean,
like I couldn't figure out thatstoryline totally.
So I don't know, because I fromthe movies I got.

Fabienne (01:01:26):
I thought he started the hunger games.
No um, the hunger games werestarted by this something,
something high, highbottom.
Oh, like the guy fromLannisters and again Game of
Thrones.
He was Dean Highbottom in themovie.

(01:01:50):
Obviously, all the informationthat Snow is pretty cool is from
the movie.
He started the Hunger Gamesbecause of the uprising of the
districts against the capital.

Jordan (01:02:02):
Because there was that war.
Yes, so I remember the warhappening.

Fabienne (01:02:06):
Yeah, but I don't think that Snow was eight when
the war was happening, but thenhe must have been eight when the
first Hunger Games were held.
Yeah, yeah, and then, 10 yearslater, he's in the Academy.

Jordan (01:02:25):
Yeah, but I know he had some sort of idea, so maybe it
was to televise it and to makeit a spectacle.
Maybe that's what his thing was.

Fabienne (01:02:33):
It was already televised, but people lost
interest, they didn't watch itanymore, like the numbers went
down.
And then it was an assignmentfor the people of the academy.
I like the capital members umto come up with ideas to make it
more of a reality, show of moreof it.

(01:02:55):
Like to be you know like a bighit yeah, and then he came with
ideas and he came like with anentire list of ideas towards
this um, viola davis, like the,the head game maker in that
movie, um, and I think theyinstalled or like implemented as
many ideas in this for in thisfirst um well, not first, but in

(01:03:17):
like um the 10th hunger games,and then I think that just like
went on with all these ideas.

Jordan (01:03:22):
Okay, that that I remember that, like it was.
When you said losing numbers, Iwas like, oh yes, that I
remember, because I think helike was like naked.
I think one of his things wasessentially like the mutts, like
create things to, like helpspeed things along, like
essentially help like create awinner instead of like leaving

(01:03:45):
it to like the kids.

Fabienne (01:03:46):
It almost seemed like like they like the game makers
need to 18 for the 10th, andthis was hamish's hunger games,

(01:04:07):
which was the 50th because itwas a quarter quell.

Jordan (01:04:10):
The second but then it was, but it almost it made it
seem like he was 58, I think thequarter quell was.
Yeah, I think the quarter quellwas like 40.
It was weird because, like thetimelines totally didn't make
sense, but yet the secondquarter quell, or no, the third
quarter quell was the 75th.
So I don't fully understandthat timeline, but he did make

(01:04:34):
because, like it, hamish didmake a point to say like okay,
if, subtracting the, like 58 andhe would have been 18 and like
that's, like that would havebeen him on that video screen
that Lucy was pulling on stage,so he would have been 18.
So I feel like the quarterquell must have been like the,

(01:04:54):
the second quarter quell musthave been the 40th, the second
quarter quell must have been the40th, and that's what kind of
like Haymitch was saying, whichdidn't fully make sense because
I figured it would have been the50th, like a quarter quell.
Yeah a quarter 25.
Exactly, exactly, but no,apparently it was the 40th.
Unless that was just like anerror.

Fabienne (01:05:19):
Maybe Haymish was confused.
Maybe that's a thing thathappens with characters.

Jordan (01:05:24):
Maybe that makes sense.

Fabienne (01:05:25):
Because the third quarticle definitely was the
75th and that was when Ketnesand Peter, because that was 25
years later.
Curious Anyways.

Jordan (01:05:49):
Ow fuck, oh no years later.

Fabienne (01:05:50):
hmm, curious anyways, oh fuck, oh no, oh, my funny
bone.
Oh, it's not so funny, not sofunny, not so funny.
No, but anyways, I hate.
Love this book.
Heads to four and a half stars.
I love this book.

Jordan (01:05:57):
I just didn't cry no, okay, fair, but I?

Fabienne (01:06:01):
I just needed to say that uh, do you have anything
else to say on the matter?
Because we are way past ourbedtime.

Jordan (01:06:11):
I feel like I do not have anything else on the matter
.

Fabienne (01:06:19):
Okay, I don't want to cut this off like so abruptly,
but it's been an hour, I feellike I love you all fire.
I love you all fire.
That was honestly I love.

Jordan (01:06:36):
I love the expression I love the expression Me too, me
too, but yeah, no, I do too.

Fabienne (01:06:48):
And may the odds be forever in your face.

Jordan (01:06:50):
Couldn't have said it better.

Fabienne (01:06:57):
Thank you so much for listening.
And please don't forget to rateand review wherever you can
find us, so catch you next time.

Jordan (01:07:04):
Bye.
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