March 3, 2025 • 65 mins
This episode dives deep into the reasons some popular titles rubbed us the wrong way, exploring the dynamics of pacing, character development, and reader expectations.
• Transition into discussing unpopular book opinions
• Analyzing the disappointments of "Scarred" by Emily McIntyre
• Venturing into "Promises and Pomegranates" and its pacing issues
• Discussing the oversaturation of the dark romance genre
• Conversations about the challenges of miscommunication tropes
• Emphasizing individual reading journeys and experiences
• Inviting listeners to share their personal experiences with disappointing books
• Encouragement to embrace honest opinions in the literary community
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Jordan (00:07):
welcome to the bookish hour with jor and fab.
I don't think you have thespace bar your perfume bottle no
, I do now.
Fabienne (00:19):
I think here I was just blabbering but nobody could
actually hear me, which I,which you know, for a change,
might be good sometimes, becauseI do rattle on quite often I
want to hear it all and I can'thear it if it's
yeah, no button without the.
(00:41):
The perfume bottle got it, heygirl hey girl hey, I feel like
it's been a while.
I don't know why, um, but no,actually I do know why, because
it is.
It has been a while.
Like we recorded last mondayand now we did it on a wednesday
(01:04):
, so it's longer than a week,and I have to say I'm feeling
that, like I feel like I haven'tseen you in a while and I kind
of miss your face.
Jordan (01:14):
I miss your face.
I almost forgot that we didn'trecord on Tuesday.
I feel like if we stick toTuesday it doesn't seem that
long, but like Monday toWednesday, it seems like a long
time yeah, even those like twoextra days, it feels like a
freaking eternity exactly.
Fabienne (01:34):
I was actually, uh, expecting you to say like um, uh
, I forgot what, what you looklike?
Oh, just now oh well, you know,because at least I still get to
see your face on instagram,which you went to like a
christmas market thing, yeah,yeah, ironically, I only posted
(01:58):
like stories of me going out tolike a club and like a bar and
so, um, yes, you know what?
Let's just, let's just go thatroute.
Um, I went to a christmasmarket.
I know you did too.
We'll come back to that as wellbecause I want to hear all about
it as well.
Um.
So we went to um, uh,dusseldorf, um, in, which is in
(02:19):
germany and it's actually prettyclose by, like only two and a
half hours of driving, but itwas raining like cats and dogs
that entire weekend.
So we came there and I juststarted like drizzling, you know
, and the market itself wasdivided, like um, into I guess,
quarters.
Like there were a few differentsquares where, like there were
(02:41):
a few different markets, so we'dwalk from like a to b to c
basically, but they were all,they were all over the place,
they weren't in just like onearea, a few different squares
where, like, there were a fewdifferent markets, so we'd walk
from like A to B to C basically,but they were all, they were
all over the place.
They weren't in just like onearea.
No, no, they were all just likecluttered throughout the, uh,
throughout the city.
And that's not even you know.
That's okay, cause you havelike a little walk and you can
just have like your little snack, your pretzels, your what you
call it, um, you name it and um.
(03:06):
So we were, um, at one of thesquares and it started like,
like I said, it starteddrizzling, but it just started
like pouring down heavier andand faster, and there was just
this one moment where we justdecided to like stay in one
place and while that, like inits own or on its own, I should
say it's not even like a badidea, but it would have been, I
(03:29):
guess, maybe funner if it were,like, you know, like one of
those, um, uh, actual bars withlike christmas decorations and
like those you know, um, you'vebeen like to amsterdam, like way
back, and do you remember likewhen, uh, when I say like a
brown cafe, do you kind ofrecall what I mean by that?
Maybe, like those cozy barswith, like the old people behind
(03:53):
the bar will serve you like anice glass of wine and oh, okay,
well, I'll, I'll, I'llreintroduce you obviously in
april.
Um, but I was expecting.
But I was expecting to likejust um, just plop down and just
like a cozy type of cafe, a barsituation, but it was a very
modern shisha bar.
(04:15):
I can't pronounce it for thelife of me.
Um, I guess egyptian or likemoroccan smoke, these like the
big ones where you just have toshare, like one of those.
Do you, do you know what ashisha is?
Maybe I'm asking you know?
All sorts of questions and allyou can say is no, no, I don't
know, I don't recall I, I know,no, I don't know what that is,
(04:37):
I'm a, I'm a, I'm gonna send youa picture.
Give me just one second um, butmoral of the story.
Well, not even a moral, butjust like bottom line.
We just sat down somewherewhich is pretty freaking modern
and very classy and like hip andvery urban, and it was so not
the vibe of like a Christmasmarket.
It was fun, don't get me wrong.
(04:58):
It was fun with the people thatwe went with.
We had a great time, but likeit wasn't as Christmassy as I
would have hoped that it was, sothat was a bit of a shame
though.
Okay, so I have here a shishaum screenshot and sent per
message because you can't,because my camera is all whacked
um photos.
(05:18):
But anyways, just tell me aboutyour weekend, because you went
to Boston.
Jordan (05:24):
I want to say yes, yes and I, oh yes, I think if this
is the same thing, it's likealmost like a hookah bar, like
those are the things I think, soyeah.
I think that's what it's calledas well, maybe okay, because I,
(05:47):
when you were saying shisha, Iwas like I have no idea, no idea
, but that that kind of lookslike a hookah.
Let me see if I can nowinstruction.
Fabienne (05:59):
Yeah, it's just like a sheer, sheer pipe where you
just like sheer tobacco.
Um, I have to say I did it oncewhen I was like, I think, 17,
when I was still like um,studying to become a dental
assistant.
So that was a long while agoand we had one in the city where
the study uh was and or likethis um this college was, and I
(06:20):
went out with a few girls fromthat class back then and, uh, I
have to say it's a pretty funexperience to like smoke the
shisha, because you have likeall of these um flavors,
basically what you have now withthose vapes, you know, like
watermelon, strawberry it'spretty, yes yeah, that is
basically this.
So it is a pretty chill, likevibe, quite literally, but it's
(06:42):
not Christmassy at all so whenwe just sat down, there they
were.
Just they were playing, and Ikid you not, I'm sorry, I'm
totally like hijacking yourboston weekend story.
No, just have to get this outfirst.
Um, they were playing 2012,2012 music like justin bieber,
katie perry, uh, kesha was on,so it was.
(07:03):
It was a complete differentworld when we were in there.
When we walked out, obviously,it was still pouring down, but
then you had all the Christmasmarkets, um, so, yeah, it's
totally not, I literally.
Jordan (07:17):
So you know how you looked at Shisha Shisha, however
you pronounce it.
So I looked up hookah.
It's literally, and I sent youa picture.
It's literally the same thing.
Fabienne (07:26):
Literally the same thing oh my god, yes, oh see, it
says.
Jordan (07:31):
It says vape as well next to it um, but ours, like I
feel, yes, we kind of have thesame situation, because I wanted
to go to like Christmasy barsand stuff, but everything the
things I wanted to do, like Ireally wanted to do Snowport,
(07:53):
which, if anybody in like NewEngland that's listening, it's
Seaport, but they renamed justthis market called Snowport for
the holiday season, which wasreally cool and it was like all
lit up and I loved it and youhad to wait in line for it,
which kind of sucked.
So we waited in line for alittle under an hour, but
(08:15):
honestly, I thought it was worthit.
Don't get me wrong, I don'tneed to go again this year, but
doing it once, I'm like one anddone, and now I don't need to do
it again and it was really cool, um, but you go in and they
have like food, drinks, um, andthen like there's like vendors
(08:38):
so you can go and like buy stuff.
So that is like what was reallycool and we spent like a couple
hours there.
But then, like afterwards,there were like lights that I
wanted to go see, but they werelike on the opposite side of the
city, so it wasn't quite.
It wasn't like everything wasnear and we couldn't just like
walk, so like we didn't really.
Was it that big then?
(08:59):
well, like boston as a whole isbig ah like like so yeah, and
snowport is just in like onearea.
But I wanted to go to like andthere were like number one
Christmassy bars but again theywere like kind of far.
So we went to like a few thatwere labeled as number one, but
I think their number one is likeplaces to go in Boston, not
necessarily for Christmas, solike they were decked out.
(09:23):
So I'm a little disappointed inthat Cause, like I really, and
like I know I want to go back,Cause I guess there's this like
one it's like a hotel bar atlike decks out for Christmas,
and that's like all I want to goto do.
So I told Nick I was like wehave to go back during the week
and just go there for dinner andso hopefully we can do that.
(09:45):
But like I thought it was kindof cool that we both did like
Christmassy, like markets thisweekend, except yours rained, so
like that.
Fabienne (09:56):
Yeah well, like I said , like even though the vibe for
me was different because, youknow, like the hookah or let's
just call it a hookah purchasefor, like convenience's sake, as
opposed to the actual Christmasmarket, that was completely
different, but it was still fun.
But I'm so happy that you had agreat weekend too, and indeed
it is.
You know, like we're on theChristmas, on the Christmassy
(10:19):
track, so to say, because we'reChristmas is almost up,
christmas is almost here.
I know, are you done?
Jordan (10:24):
like Christmas shopping yet.
So to say, because we'rechristmas is almost up,
christmas is always.
It's almost here.
I know, are you done likechristmas shopping yet?
Fabienne (10:29):
uh, no, not yet.
I actually went out today, um,because you know, like
wednesdays are my days off.
Uh, I went out to the citycenter and I got some stuff.
Yeah, I don't want to say, juston the off chance, that my mom
might listen to this episode andI can't, I can't, disclose what
I got for you, mother, um, butyeah, yeah, I, uh, I got a few
(10:49):
presents, but I still have a fewthings that I need to like.
Uh, check off my list, have you?
Jordan (10:55):
have you done some Christmas shopping?
Yeah, I'm pretty much done, butI'm done, thank you, but I have
to wait for them to come in.
The only thing is some of thesethings I ordered like well
enough in advance that I waslike they're going to be here in
time, but now I don't thinkthey're going to be here in time
and I'm a bit nervous, so Imight have to do like more
(11:19):
shopping.
But like I know I'm still goingto have to wrap, like as things
come in.
I'm like wrapping them, um, sothat's the only thing.
That's kind of stressing me out.
At least nick is easy, becauseif one of his things doesn't
come in on time, his birthday'sin january.
So I always I just like save itfor january, then for his
(11:43):
birthday, so it's not the end ofthe world, but like for other
people, smart thinking, thankyou, but that's like.
The one thing I hate about theholidays is like the stress of
like worrying about Christmasshopping.
I don't like that, but like.
So I feel like every year I tryto do it ahead of time so that
(12:04):
way I don't have to worry aboutit, and this year I feel like I
finally have, but now it'swaiting for everything to come
in.
So then I am still kind ofstressed about it.
Fabienne (12:16):
Yeah, yeah, like you were on time this year, but now
the rest isn't on time this year.
Yeah, basically, yeah, typicalUm, but now the rest isn't on
time this year.
Jordan (12:23):
Yeah, basically yeah, and like Typical and for you,
like are things delivered?
Like right to your house, likeright to your front door.
Fabienne (12:33):
Uh, yes and no, because we do live in like an
apartment complex.
So we have like the door, likethe automatic door, like
downstairs, um, but um, this isactually a funny anecdote, I
have to, I have to insert it.
Yeah, so we have like our, our,um, our delivery guy, like our
postman, I guess, um, it'salways like the same guy, like
(12:55):
in this uh neighborhood, like inthis area.
So he, um, because I am anotorious uh web shopper, so to
say in my you know jay's as wellum, so we kind of like trained
the um the delivery guy to justlike come into like the
apartment complex, because ifyou just like press enough
buttons like someone will openthe the automatic door for you
(13:19):
from their apartments.
So he just like places all thepackages like for our actual
door outside here.
Um, and even when we like seehim like uh driving in his van,
if we just like come home fromlike food shopping or just like
uh wherever, really, he justhonks, he stops, he's like, hey,
I got your packages here withme, do you want them?
(13:40):
So he just hand delivers themon the street.
I feel, like that's the best itactually is.
I think I'm going to write himnow that I think about it.
I think I'm going to give him aChristmas card like happy
holidays.
You know, that's just the leastI can do.
Jordan (13:55):
Oh, definitely I get like so frustrated here and
usually it's not an issue exceptaround the holidays, because,
like the holidays you're buying,I refuse to go out and holiday
shop.
If I'm out, really not even liketo get like to, to really like,
immerse yourself, like in, likethe vibe of christmas unless
(14:17):
it's like going to this likesnowport thing like a christmas
market, but like I'm not gonnago to like a box store like um
like market.
But like I'm not going to go tolike a box store like um like
their target, or like I'mthinking like a department store
, because usually it's insaneand having to deal with like the
traffic.
I just I hate it and I peopleget aggressive in those stores.
(14:39):
So if I'm already in a storeand I happen to see something
for someone, then I'll buy it,but I'd rather just like online
shop.
So then it's like not stressfulto like have to go out and do
it.
I get that.
But so I have all thesepackages coming in and what I
hate is like our complex has amail room and what they're
(15:06):
supposed to do is, if they don'twant to enter it, they're
supposed to leave the packagesoutside the mailroom.
Like whether it's like UPS, usp, fedex, like you know, like any
serve like service, that's likedelivering packages.
This is not sponsored by theway by the way.
No, not at all, but like whatI've noticed is like they'll
(15:28):
enter one in but then they'lljust put all of them in there,
so like you might get a packagenumber or you might not, and
then at one point you might butlike so there's been multiple
times where I'll get one packagenumber, so the one package was
delivered, but I'm going throughall of them because I'm like
looking for one and then I findthree others that are also mine.
(15:51):
So it's kind of frustratingthat like it's just not being
entered so I'm trying to lookfor them.
So I know there was like onetime it happened twice where it
was like one time I found threeextra packages in there and
they're just all over the placeso you just have to find your
name.
And then there was another timewhere there was two other
(16:12):
packages in there that were forme and it's kind of like
frustrating.
Yeah, I get that and I get toothat it's like everybody's like
shopping around the holidays,but it's just like just don't do
that, just leave them alloutside, because then the person
that works here will enter themall in.
But if, like the post people doit, then it's like they just
(16:32):
enter it once and shove it allin there, and I'm I get it
because they're probably busylike needing to get to the next
place to like drop off shit, butI'm like, well, then, just
leave it out front and thensomeone else will do it.
But just don't do it like halfassed exactly yeah, I get so
frustrated with them and likepackage deliveries have you ever
(16:55):
like left a complaint orsomething you can't right?
I think you can't I mean Iguess it would be like the
office, but I don't.
It's almost like what's thepoint, because I feel like
they're not, because our ourpost people.
They're always different, likeamazon's, never this name the
there is one post guy whodelivers the mail mail.
(17:18):
So we have like a mailbox thateach like letters go into, but
like it's like this big, so likeno packages actually fit in
there, but like if it's that guyhe's really good and enters
them individually.
But I've also seen another guy,I've seen a lady, I've seen
like and so like those peopleI've never seen besides that one
(17:41):
old male guy.
Fabienne (17:42):
I've never seen the same person twice you think
that's kind of like backwards,right?
I mean, if you have so manydeliveries, you would think that
those people would be like Iguess um be placed in like
segments of like a certain city.
So you have, you like take onthat area, you have to be there,
you take on all of thesepackages and you just bring them
(18:02):
to that place.
So that way you will have allof the same like people.
Plus they will have structure,plus you can always like leave a
note for, like, I guess,personal preference in the sense
of like how you want yourpackages to be delivered.
They can take that into account.
It's all like easier for them.
The actual companies, companiesthemselves too.
You would think you know, youknow what thing, what, what do I
(18:26):
know.
So, yeah, it uh, I guess bottomline it does take, uh, or
brings, I should say, a lot ofstress with uh christmas
shopping, even though it'sonline, there's always stress
there really is, there really is.
You know what's um stress?
Relieving though, venting,venting and ranting about books.
(18:49):
Yeah, I think that is maybe anice segue to what we are um
discussing this episode, yes,talking about which?
today's episode um unpopularopinions.
The books that we not sosecretly maybe secretly hated,
(19:11):
did not like, did not enjoy justa full-on.
No-no um, I, for once, actuallyprepared.
I have a list of you heck.
Yeah, I mean I have like thenames of books that I didn't
that popular books that I didn'tlove, but I didn't like full-on
research well, research ismaybe too big of a word, but
(19:34):
like, I wrote them down and Ihave like some reasonings
written down sort of as well.
Also, before I actually startgonna show you this notebook
that I got from b.
Like my colleague, she giftedthis me uh, to me for my
birthday.
Oh my gosh it's so pretty.
I've started journaling.
I have like the washi tape, Ihave stickers, I have like
(19:57):
stamps I I'm going for.
Look at this, look at this holypoop, at this Holy poo.
Jordan (20:05):
I know.
Fabienne (20:07):
Do you love it?
I am in love with it.
I really enjoy it.
Actually, I did I ever tell youI'm sorry we will get to the
actual unpopular opinion onbooks that we didn't like,
eventually unpopular opinion onhigh like books that we didn't
like, but I eventually first.
First, do you know about mynotorious habit of buying
(20:29):
notebooks with the intention ofwriting in them but then just
like ending up collecting them,shoving them down in a drawer
for them to never see the lightof day anymore?
Jordan (20:40):
I feel like you might have told me that because I do
the same thing, so then I readwith you.
Fabienne (20:47):
Well, if I haven't or I did, this is me saying it
again, but I'm actually pullingthrough now, so I'm writing in
this one almost religiously, so,like I have now full produce,
isn't it?
I love them.
I want to say metallic blue of.
It doesn't matter, the peoplecan't see.
(21:08):
Um, you want me to kick off thefirst title?
Oh yeah, um, this is maybe likea very easy guess, um, or maybe
not, because I'm not reallysure when this episode comes out
.
I think this comes out before,uh-huh, a certain book buddy, so
I'll just hold it off for justnow.
(21:29):
I actually did not enjoy Scarredby Emily McIntyre.
Oh, everyone was so loving andso joyful about it.
But I read it.
I think I even reviewed it andeven if it was a mild review, I
was holding back.
I did not understand why thepeople just collectively enjoyed
(21:56):
the book.
That's not true, I can't see,because there was a morally
great character that was likethis very stereotypical badass
female, which also I havestarted to come to hate the term
badass female, but I'll come tothat in a minute.
Um, but the villain was thefemale main character in this
book, which was actually thething that got me to read it
(22:18):
because you know it's a veryrefreshing take.
Normally the villain is like Idon't know some mobster or like,
yeah, you know, the morallygray wait, wait, wait.
Jordan (22:27):
So then there was still a morally gray hero.
Yes, so were they both villains?
Fabienne (22:34):
they, yes, they were and like I like, like I just
said, it was actually prettyrefreshing because the female
had like a, had like um, uh, arevenge plot like she has.
She had like a revenge plot,like she had like an avenging
type of plot line storyline.
So I was like, okay, this mightbe interesting, this might be
cool, but the entire premisebehind Scarred and like
(22:56):
basically the entire series ofthose books, basically.
So we have hooked to.
You know, like the Peter Panloose retelling, but not a
retelling.
Um, the same was with scarred,because it was based off again
very loosely.
So on the lion king, on scar,you know, like the yeah, but he
(23:18):
was a brother line, true.
So this was a really, reallyweird first retelling.
The writing was, for me, it wasawful.
She writes in first-personperspective, which normally I
like because I can really getinto like the head of our main
characters, especially if it'slike multiple POVs.
(23:38):
But this one was just not it.
Like the characters fell flat.
They were not rounded at all,they were repetitive in their
behavior.
Um, the storyline was waspretty straightforward, which is
not even necessarily a badthing.
Um, because if you know, likeif you can follow a storyline
well, doesn't mean that it's badper se.
(23:59):
But this was just like, so onthe forefront, that I'm like,
you know, I don't even have, Idon't even have an example, but
it, no, that book was just notit for me.
No, it was anticlimactic.
Oh, those are the worst I know.
(24:20):
I know Actually pretty proud ofmyself that I still finished
that, though, because I read itfrom like first page to the end.
Jordan (24:30):
Oh, wow, okay, props to you there.
Fabienne (24:34):
Thank you, thank you.
Jordan (24:36):
Okay, well, I'll kick off the next one.
Yes, please.
I.
Everybody raves about Promisesand Pomegranates by Savar Miller
and I'm not saying it was bad,but like I loved the beginning
and I loved the ending, fromwhat I remembered, but the
(24:56):
middle was just a bunch ofnothing and I couldn't get into
it.
I couldn't.
I tried.
It took me forever to finishthat book, but I did finish it
from beginning to end, but ittook me forever.
And I would like and I want.
The thing is is, I think it'sbecause I wanted to like it,
because it is a like Greekmythology, not retelling, but
(25:21):
it's supposed to have like thefirst ones, like Hades and
Persephone, not retelling, butit's supposed to have like the
first ones, like Hades andPersephone, but like and then I
know afterwards it's supposed tobe like other ones.
So I really wanted to like thisseries.
Granted, I read it when bookone was only out, but I, yeah, I
just I couldn't like it.
And but it's interestingbecause I actually really like
(25:42):
Savar Millers and Emily McIntyreMcIntyres Be Still my Heart
like their romantic suspensethey did together.
I really like that story, butsomething about pomaces and
pomegranates wasn't for me and Iwill not be continuing.
Fabienne (26:07):
Yeah, no, I know that I think we talked about the
Promises of Pomegranates onebefore.
Briefly, like in a mafia sortof episode.
Jordan (26:17):
Oh, we might have.
Fabienne (26:19):
I actually enjoyed that one, but I do agree with
you like that it wasn't anythingspecial.
Like nothing really washappening, like in the middle.
There was like a build-up inthe beginning that, like you
know, like that kicked off thestory and then it was just like
them living um alongside eachother.
Really nothing even happenedbetween, like the, the main
(26:40):
characters, and then all of asudden, like in the end, there
was a certain um sort of likeclimax, what you call them in
books.
Right, you have like thestoryline you have to build up,
and then the falling action aswell, etc.
Etc.
But then also this really weirdplot twist of him like um
having had, like an affair withher mother, yeah, which also was
something that like reallythrew me off.
(27:02):
Um.
But what I wanted to say wasit's funny that you mentioned
Savar Miller, because I did notlike Vipers and Virtuosos, which
was the music romance, the rockstar romance, the one that
that's the book too right.
Yeah, okay, yes, I never read itand that one is on my list.
Oh, I think the takeaway shouldbe that maybe Emily McIntyre
(27:29):
and Savoir Miller I mean we'rename dropping here right they
just can't write separately, butwhen they combine like their
powers, they write like a killerbook yes, wait, have you read?
Jordan (27:40):
Be Still my Heart, I actually haven't.
Oh, should I?
Yes, I actually haven't.
Should I?
Yes, I should?
Okay, it gives me a mixture oflike no, just kidding, it's got
that like spooky, gothic smalltown.
(28:00):
Small like shore, town likelighthouse yeah sure.
Fabienne (28:08):
Yeah, just random names, nouns, verbs, yeah, nice.
Oh well, all of those namesnouns, they sound like they're
right up my alley.
Actually it's good, becauselighthouse I am associating with
does it hurt, which I reallyloved so I was gonna say it's a
(28:30):
mix between gothic, kana anddoes it hurt?
Jordan (28:32):
but like now I don't want to say that it's like not
that.
So like, take that back, butI'm, I think I'm only saying it
because gothic kind of gives mespooky vibes and there's a
lighthouse right, not really youknow, whatever works, whatever
works, but you like that book,so so I'm, uh, probably have to
add that to my tbr.
Fabienne (28:53):
Yes, yeah, yes, yeah, um, anyway, so, circling back, I
I did not enjoy vipers andvirtuosos.
Um, they had, okay, look, youknow that I have.
Um, I've had some troublereading dark romance lately, um,
in general, because I can'treally get into the genre really
(29:16):
anymore.
Like, there are only likecertain like authors that I
still really enjoy Montage,carrie, lake, brunix, obviously,
kv Rose, you know you name itbut all of these other writers
that just like pop up like leftand right and I try to like
still read dark romance and Istill do, I still do.
(29:36):
Also, I'm rambling again, I'msorry, no, keep it coming, but I
feel like, um and I actuallytalked to, talked about it, um,
with a friend of mine too that Ifeel like the genre has become
so like oversaturated.
Um, all of these authors and Imean that in the nicest way
possible, like even myself, in asense, like I started like this
freaking Instagram account withthe intention of writing a book
(30:00):
.
I haven't written any chapterssince, like last May.
Jordan (30:06):
So, like you, still, it's always there for you to
come back to.
Fabienne (30:10):
That is very true, that is true.
Thank you for the positive spin.
But because everyone is nowlike publishing left and right,
I feel like what do I have tobring to the table?
Jordan (30:22):
um so, all of the dark romances.
You have something to bring tothe table and you know, like
you're okay.
Some of these people that arepublishing books, their writing
is not necessarily the bestestbut, and you know, like your
writing is definitely betterthan I feel like that's so mean.
Fabienne (30:47):
But this is a mean episode.
We are bashing authors left andright as well.
We're knee-dropping.
Jordan (30:52):
I'm saying like, if they're publishing, so can you.
Fabienne (30:56):
That is true.
If that is the bar then I cansurpass.
I'm saying, like, if they'republishing, so can you.
That is true.
If that is the bar that I cansurpass I'm kidding, do not
overestimate yourself.
That is rule number one in thisworld.
But I hope that you.
Thank you, though, for thecompliment.
That's really nice and actuallypretty still encouraging.
(31:16):
So, thanks, welcome, welcome.
But that was not like that.
That was not the direction Iwanted to go into.
It was more like becauseeveryone is like publishing now,
like you know, props to themall, you know, like all the
power to you, but because thegenre has been like, so I guess,
ah, fuck, what's the word?
Um, well, I, I just said itlike oversaturated, right?
(31:38):
So everything that we read isjust like a copy of the same
that has been before, just likewith a different sort of spin to
it.
So whenever I read like darkromances now, I'm like I can't
get into it because everyonethinks that they can write now,
me included.
But everyone is also publishing, so everything I can't really
explain it.
Jordan (32:02):
No, I can kind of get what you're saying, cause like
that's why I don't read mafiaanymore.
Like I don't read mafiaromances because I feel like
it's the same story over andover again.
I feel like I kind of in thesame way with you.
I'm like looking at my booksand I'm like, okay, some dark
romance authors I will alwayscontinue to read, and or either
I don't want to say dark romance, I want to say, like authors in
(32:23):
general, that I will alwaysread because I like their
writing style.
But I found that I need to likedisassociate those authors from
other authors, because I'vearced a few books where I think
I read them at a good time so Icould step back and just read
the story for what it was.
But I've noticed that like if Icompare authors like this, that
(32:49):
story is a lot less I don'twant to say detailed, but like
it's a lot more simple where ourfavorite authors can be more
detailed and more dense in Xsubject matter and these other
stories are just very surfacelevel.
(33:11):
But I've noticed like usuallythere's that cookie cutter type
contemporary romance where it'slike the very basic.
All of a sudden they're goingto fall in love.
They say I love you, the climaxhappens and then, happily, ever
after I've noticed those havebeen coming into dark romance
(33:39):
and it will be like a 180 switchfor these like characters to
then all of a sudden be likethey have trust issues and then
be like, oh, I love you so much.
There's that, yeah.
Then I've also noticed some darkromance authors, whether
they're like new or if they'recoming from the contemporary
side, all of a sudden are likedoing dark romance for the the I
(34:02):
want to say like wow factor,but that's not the right word,
but they're just trying to seehow dark they can get it and how
kinky they can get it and putit and calling it dark romance,
which that's not necessarilywhat I want to see.
And it's like a dark romancelike we went into this before,
so I'm not going to get into itagain.
(34:22):
But I I hate seeing those twothings because it's like I feel
like you're right, I I feel likekv rose, monty, j runix, nicole
fiorina, um, yeah, the thesepeople like how can I?
How?
Like I know it's, it'sparanormal, witchy too, but how
(34:45):
am I supposed to go from boneisland that like such a good
story and the writing, and thenpick up so much depth, like
multi-layered characters as wellyes, and then you pick up.
I'm trying to think of like, andI don't want to shit on any
books, but like, besides theones we are shitting on, but
(35:07):
like, I'm just thinking of like,oh, I'm thinking of this one
book in particular and I do notwant to call it out, but I think
I think I know which one thatyou talked about.
Fabienne (35:17):
I think I think we we buddy read it actually even
recorded one half for the, forthe podcast, and then decided to
just like scrap it no, so Iwasn't actually thinking about
that one, oh, but oh, okay.
Jordan (35:29):
But yes, we'll take that one for example, so we don't
have to call that one out.
But I mean, actually it was anarc that I got like a while ago
that I'm like comparing it'sjust it's such a basic story and
so it's just like so hardbecause it's like if I know I'm
gonna get a story that is likeone of those authors that we
love, then it's like I'm herefor it.
(35:50):
But I'm also like these.
But sometimes I want that likecookie cutter, basic, light
contemporary romance.
So it's like I love lc silverbut like that's what her stories
are like.
No offense to lc silver,they're great stories and I'm
obsessed with them and I lovethem and I'm going, I can't wait
(36:11):
for her new one.
But it's also like you knowwhat you're getting into.
So it's like I would pick herup in between these like really
dense, dark reads.
But then I'm like these darkromances that I pick up,
expecting to be like thesehigher pieces aren't yeah, well
(36:33):
said, you explained thatbeautifully.
Fabienne (36:36):
I hope so.
No, you did you do, genuinelyyou did, you really did.
I was looking for the words.
Obviously, I can never findthem, so I'm so happy to call
you that you're, you know, likemy teammate, my partner, my
co-host, who does speak words.
Well, I'd explain shitbeautifully.
Apparently no, but yes, Iobviously wholeheartedly, 100%,
(37:03):
completely agree, yeah, thankyou.
So, circling back to the booksthat we didn't like, just from
the entire genre.
Apparently, I didn't like that.
One book I'm not going to namedrop because that I feel like
it's just too mean the one thatwe just spoke about but not
(37:25):
actually naming it that we tookas an example.
What is this?
Jordan (37:32):
I was trying to do the title yeah, yeah, yeah, this one
, yeah, gotcha.
Fabienne (37:39):
Wow, I'm so bad at charades.
You never play that game withme.
Jordan (37:43):
I feel like we got to play it in April.
I think that's just going to beso much fun.
Fabienne (37:49):
Note to self whenever she says do not play charades,
play charades, okay, but yes,that one.
I also did not like a certainbuddy read that we did, which
you know we have done multiple.
Jordan (38:06):
We have done multiple buddy reads in the past and one
of them pretty recently I didnot really enjoy and then there
was also others where we werelike going to do it on the
podcast and then we recorded oneepisode and we were like we
cannot do this.
No, oh, you know, you knowwhich one?
I read this a long time ago.
(38:28):
But one that I really did notlike was everybody was raving
about the cheat sheet by sarahadams.
Do you remember when that wasgoing around?
And everybody thinks so yeah, I.
So I got really excited and,don't get me wrong, like I can
do closed door, like romances,like that's no issue for me.
But oh my god, this one washorrible, horrible, and I of
(38:53):
course finished it to the endbut I almost thought like I
didn't know it was closed door.
So I was like maybe the sexwill make up for it, but like
the miscommunication in thatbook was insane and I wanted to
murder these characters.
But it wasn't evenmiscommunication.
I feel like I can handle somemiscommunications if done right.
(39:14):
If it's like I don't want tosay anything to you, so it's
like I'm going to just pine overyou off to the side, like I get
a little bit frustrated, but Ican read it.
This was.
She told him how she felt andhe was like, oh, really, and
she'd be like no, just kidding.
And the amount of times thathappened it was at least three
(39:37):
within the book I was like no,no, no, just no, oh god, I, I
just can't.
Fabienne (39:50):
I'm trying to picture, then, why people did love it.
I don't because the majority,and especially like of our core,
click on instagram.
Excuse me, um, I don't thinkthat any any one of us really
particularly enjoys themiscommunication trope.
So then I think, why do why?
(40:11):
just just just why I don't know,but I was going insane, insane
I will say though and actuallyyou just said it as well like,
if there's just like a tinysliver of a good
miscommunication trope, good inthe sense of like it's written
well, it's like you know itactually has a purpose for the
story later in the book, thenthen you know it works out, it's
(40:36):
fine, because it actually um,adds to the stories like um, um,
what's the word?
Uh, complimentary if you will,but if you just add it for the
sake of like, oh, I have to addin like this little trope, and
then I have to put in anotherdifferent type of ingredient to
just make this a good book,apparently because it sells.
No, yeah, ugh, no, okay.
(41:02):
Well then, I guess you know,like, in that same vein, I'm
just I'm just going to say I didnot like iron flame.
Oh yeah, no, especially with theuh, with um uh, with the
argument that I just gave, likeit just had like a bunch of like
crammed inside this one book,Because I think Rebecca thought
(41:26):
you know this might sell.
This seems good Other books sodoes Stu?
What if I just, like you know,put it all like in one cauldron,
stir it, it together and seewhat type of magic comes out?
Nothing, I tell you.
Nothing comes out.
Jordan (41:40):
Nothing or garbage I, I feel I'm not gonna say anything
because I know we don't want todo like spoilers, but no, I feel
like we backtracked 20 yearswith the one plot line with
violet, and somebody elseliterally backtracked us as
(42:02):
society as a whole and women ingeneral, and I was not here for
that, nope and but like again,don't get me wrong, I'm still
gonna read the next book.
But, yeah, I don't like it.
I don't mind either for it andI'm still gonna read the next
book, but yeah I didn't like it.
I don't know either for it, andI'm still like fourth wing is a
completely different book.
That is what it is fourth wing,I am I am just so curious to
(42:27):
where it went wrong I don't know, but like, still obsessed with
fourth wing and I love fourthwing and I will die in the
fourth wing hill, but then justiron flame is over there we, uh,
we're gonna ignore that, eventhough it's canon in the series.
Fabienne (42:43):
You know we're gonna ignore that event and just move
on to like book number three.
Yep, whenever it comes out.
That is exactly.
Um, I have another title.
Okay, give, give it to me.
Jordan (43:02):
I Hate it Hollow by Karina Halle.
Oh no, I still haven't read it.
Fabienne (43:06):
Do you want me to discuss it or do you just want
to leave that because you mightstill read it?
Well, I do want to read it.
Jordan (43:19):
I don't want to give you like a bias to not read it you
can give me like no spoilers,but like give me like maybe a
little bit why you didn't likeit okay, so like an umbrella
argument okay, cool.
Fabienne (43:32):
Um, the characters fell flat.
It was weirdly paced.
There was no true characterintroduction to one specific
character, it just popped up orhe popped up.
I did not like the thoughtprocess of the female main
(43:59):
character.
She was very juvenile, oh okay.
And her no, I'm gonna leave itat that.
Okay, just could not get intothe characters.
They irritated me immensely.
So that was a no for me andhonestly I would.
I felt I felt really bad aboutit because I got it as an arc so
(44:22):
yeah, that's um, it happens,this life, life be lifing, as
some would say.
Um, I have a few others thatmaybe you want to, yeah I okay.
Jordan (44:35):
So like a while ago I got, I read dance of thieves by
mary e pearson pearson, I don'tknow how you would say her name,
but she did the, the kiss ofdeception.
But I read that like YA series.
(44:57):
It was actually like a buddyread, with somebody else Hated
that book, hated it, hated it.
But I continued it Like I wouldhave DNF'd it, but I continued
it because I was buddy readingit.
Oh, I hated it.
We both hated it and I don'tknow why we continued it.
And so I definitely did notpick up like the second book.
But like you both, did.
Fabienne (45:17):
Why did you stop well?
Jordan (45:19):
because like halfway it was like it's time.
You're never getting backjordan, I know and I regret
every minute of it, but it waslike a long time ago now, but
like I think, like I, I think weboth kept thinking it was going
to get better and it just nevergot better.
Fabienne (45:39):
You were such a hopeful young woman back then.
Jordan (45:41):
I know I really was.
Fabienne (45:45):
Dancing with Thieves.
Dances with Thieves, Danceswith Thieves.
Jordan (45:50):
I think is the title.
Fabienne (45:51):
It sounds familiar.
Is it fantasy?
Jordan (45:53):
Fantasy with Thieves, dance with Thieves.
Fabienne (45:54):
Yeah, oh, dance with Thieves.
Jordan (46:02):
Yeah, Pretty popular I guess familiar, is it?
Fabienne (46:03):
fantasy, fantasy, dance of thieves?
Yeah, yeah, pretty popular, Iguess, maybe I don't know.
It's like ya.
At least now I know that I canstrike through that title on my
yes, yes, saves me literally onebook.
But you know, it's whatever.
All on, little titles countapparently.
Um, oh, I have a fun one.
Oh, I love, I loved, loved theseries.
But I hated throne of glass.
(46:27):
I hated the first actual bookin the throne of glass series.
I hated.
I hated sel Selina, selina,selina.
I hated that it was thirdperson, because I read A Court
of Thorns and Roses first andthen I started the do not look
(46:48):
at me like I just killed you orlike I killed you.
No, no, no, come back, younglady.
No, I hated the first book.
I loved the overall series andI loved the second book.
I really did.
Jordan (47:04):
I did not like the second book.
I loved the first book In thepremise of like as I'm reading
it, I loved the first, hated thesecond and then I loved the
third and I know a lot of peopledid not like third.
I love the third and then Ilove them as they continued, but
, like, I hated the second one.
I felt like and I understoodlike why they had it in there
(47:28):
because of getting you to thethird book but I hated the
second one.
I thought it was too slow, thatperson didn't need to leave and
but this, the first one Iactually liked, I liked the
whole competition part well, Idon't like um, um, um.
Fabienne (47:51):
I guess de-ground my arguments for, like you know,
like um, give my reasons not anyground to wow, I can't even
talk.
Okay, I just did not likethrowing a glass.
I hated all the exclamationpoints.
There was a surplus ofexclamation points in that one
book.
Selena felt like she was thebestest person in the world,
which I really hate if you havesuch like an inflated ego.
Jordan (48:13):
But then again, it's I have to say um the.
I lost it I lost my mic yeah, Ilost it.
I was trying to get it back,but I can't get it.
I can't get it back.
Fabienne (48:30):
So we might just be like oh, okay, well then we're
just going with the flow, youknow if it comes back.
Jordan (48:37):
I don't like soon.
I can like repeat what I saidher.
I heard the switch.
Fabienne (48:42):
Oh wait, I think it's back it like manifesting oh okay
, yes, continue okay.
Jordan (48:53):
So I actually was talking to somebody else about
this because that is the onething.
So like not to talk anyspoilers.
But Selina goes through no,like character growth, like
everything she does is justperfect and amazing and her
plans always work, where atleast, because like, okay, okay,
(49:17):
two different thoughts.
So at least Feyre has thischaracter like journey into
strength through these books,where Selina doesn't Selina,
however you say it and thatactually, even though Throne of
Glass is still my favoriteseries of like the two, I hate
(49:38):
that she's just perfect and shecan do no wrong, where at least
pharah messes up, has mistakes,is working through things and
then becomes this like strong,no spoilers, strong person, um,
(49:59):
and so I, and but I do think Ithink Crescent City might be
like my favorite series becauseI think Bryce um will have the
same sort of things as Feyre,which I'm hoping even in book
one.
You could kind of tell that sortof thing.
So I do agree with you becauseI did not like that.
But I still love the wholeworld building and all the other
(50:22):
characters within throne ofglass.
That I right now is still mylike number one series, but I,
but I don't, yeah, as many timesas I reread a court of thorns
and roses.
I don't think I can get myselfto reread Throne of Glass,
because I don't think I couldput myself.
Hell, no, I don't think I couldput myself through reading
(50:42):
Assassin's Blade, throne ofGlass or Hour of Dawn, are you?
Fabienne (50:48):
kidding me.
Jordan (50:49):
Yeah, I actually didn't mind that one Right, okay, but
and I would love to like tandemread it with empire storm, but I
just don't think I will everreread that series I think it's
also too much of a commitment.
Fabienne (51:10):
Yes, although it won't be, it wouldn't be.
Uh, it wouldn't hurt.
Jordan (51:15):
I should say um, to understand how all the stories
might like link to one anotherthat's true, or it's like you
know you could reread her booksand find things that you didn't
catch the first time, like evenone of my friends who's like
reread that book.
Um, she's told me things that,like you wouldn't like pick, you
(51:40):
wouldn't have picked up on thefirst time because you didn't
know that existed or would havebeen right, but like now, like
knowing what the world is, wouldbe able to pick up on it.
So like that's kind of cool andlike the one thing where she
falls, like I would love to likereread that again, having other
(52:04):
things in my mind.
Fabienne (52:07):
Well said, thank you.
You spend it on explaining thedark Roman shit I get it.
Jordan (52:13):
Yeah, I've lost it all.
Wait, but I have another one, Ihave another one, I have
another one.
Yes, okay, yes, and I'm goingthere, I'm going there.
I loved the first two books andI don't know what happened in
the third book but Fractured inthe Twisted Tales by r phillips
(52:43):
fucking name dropped.
I mean, if you knew whatfractured was then no, but I'd
be just one second to uh to geton board I just don't know what
happened and I can't tell ifit's because, like I liked one
guy more and I'm not going tosay anything, but like I liked
one guy more and I'm not, andlike, of course, like that
(53:05):
wasn't the guy that's picked,and I don't know if it was like
I didn't think it was that but Iwas like maybe it is that.
But then, talking to otherpeople that didn't like the same
person, they were like no, Istill felt that way and it's
like I don't know person.
They were like no, I still feltthat way and it's like I don't
know.
Like I think it the whole bookcould have been handled
differently and it better in myeyes, and especially how certain
things happened, which I get,what she was trying to do and
(53:29):
how she's setting it up forother books, but I'm still like
I think you could have handledthat better and it's it's just
so tough because I loved thefirst two books, so like when
the last book kind of just likeit sucked, it pooped, yep,
literally shit the bed oh, mygoodness, I think you kind of
(53:51):
just like, uh, solidified my, uh, my stance on that series
because I did read like thefirst two books.
Fabienne (53:57):
You gifted me the first book I love entangled yeah
, entangled, and then it wasbound, and loved that book.
I have to say I liked it withthe big butt, oh, big, um, like,
I think like how exactly I likebig butts and I cannot lie, or
(54:21):
anyways, um, so, like the secondhalf of bound, I, I think I
already like felt somethingcoming in the sense of not
really sure where this is headed, necessarily, but, uh, I, I
think I'm just might end it here, the series.
And then I remember you readinglike the third book, because
(54:44):
you arced it and like you knowthe whole shebang and you
basically told me what hadhappened.
You know, because I asked forit to.
You know, like, just give me anentire synopsis please.
And yeah, I can understand whyyou said why are you saying that
you didn't like it?
Hate it actually?
Yeah, too bad, too bad, andespecially when you have like
(55:12):
such high hopes, like you know,like you have such high
expectations from, like eitherthe finale of a trilogy or, like
you know, like the last book ina series and you're just like
hoping that this would be likethe ultimate climax really to
the series, but then all of asudden just like falls flat,
yeah, but you know it is what itis.
(55:34):
You lose some, definitely, yeah, yeah, but you know, again,
life be lifing, that's uh,that's how I guess, sometimes
books are good, sometimes booksare bad.
That's just the way the worldworks, apparently, I guess.
So, uh, uh, I have, and then Iam through my list.
(55:58):
Okay, I have one more.
Jordan (56:01):
I have one more I could say Okay, I also didn't like.
Fabienne (56:09):
Wow, I was debating whether to say love or like, so
going with like From Lukov withLove by Mariana Zapata.
Jordan (56:21):
She writes oh wow, that didn't cut me.
Oh, I really want to read thatone.
Fabienne (56:28):
Okay, Well you still can.
I'm not going to say anythingabout it then.
Like with spoilers andeverything or anything actually
was the word I'm looking for.
But it was a very simple bookand I'm not actually meaning
anything by that.
Like I don't mean anything byit, but it felt a very the book
(56:54):
read as it.
Wait, how do I say that?
The book felt like it followeda very simple storyline and,
again, that's not necessarilybad, because you know.
You know what you sign up for.
If you read blurbs, if you likeread into it, if you do some
digging like into it, like thestory will entail.
But the characters all of asudden, at the very unexpected
(57:19):
point in the story, make acomplete 180 in their
relationship and it does notmake sense to me, nor does it
make sense to the story.
There is no true, I guess,organic growth between the main
(57:39):
characters.
Organic growth between the maincharacters, it's just like oh,
we're gonna name this likerivals to lovers.
And then all of a sudden it'slike but I actually loved you
this entire time and then younever noticed as the reader that
they actually did like oneanother.
And I don't really like when astory isn't set up well in that
regard, like I need little hints, I need little like snippets
(58:00):
throughout the story that willindicate that there is like a
growing tension between maincharacters, like there is
something actually like you know, like budding between them, and
this was just not.
It fell flat so, but you shoulddefinitely read it.
I mean, I still read it andalso I I read it like in one day
(58:20):
too, you know, and it's likefour or five hundred pages.
That was, you know, like in myprime time, when I was still
reading books every single day.
But you know, those days arebehind me, I guess.
But yeah, I did not like that,that book at all.
Jordan (58:36):
Anyways, what's your uh plus title?
I also did not realize how darkmy like thing is now, so now
we're just gonna use my phoneflashlight do you not have?
your, uh, your ring light.
Well, so my one light broke,like the cord, because I used to
(58:58):
spin it around itself, and solike the cord snapped off and
like when I was mid using it.
So I'm like clicking thebuttons and I'm like why is it
not working?
Like is it not charged?
And I'm like, no, my thing'scharged, it should be working.
And then I realized that thecord wasn't connected anymore.
So like that was awkward.
(59:18):
Um, okay, so the last one islike actually kind of a series,
but it's the new camelot or theamerican queen series by sierra
simone.
So like I loved american queen,like I loved that book, but I
feel like it was the way it was.
Like that book in itself, Ithought, because, like Sierra
(59:43):
Simone can write, she's like avery good writer, and it was
like the tension.
And then you're like gettingintroduced to these characters
and then they're like so good,but books two and three sucked.
But it was almost like werelived the same book from
different perspectives, whichyou would think would be good,
(01:00:05):
but it's not, it's, it just feltvery repetitive.
Instead of like being like, oh,this is a new outlook, it was
just felt repetitive and then Ihated how much sex was in it, it
was just all sex and like I getit like if that's like what
you're signing up for, so like,hey, if you want all sex book,
(01:00:28):
then like read books two andthree.
But I felt like there was noconnection between the female
character and the two male maincharacters.
I feel like the two male maincharacters had a ton of
connections and essentially Ifeel like the female should have
died off and then the two malemain characters.
I feel like the two male maincharacters had a ton of
connections and essentially Ifeel like the female should have
died off and then the two maleslived together for the rest of
their lives, happily ever after,because that's kind of the way
it felt and was written.
Fabienne (01:00:49):
Sounds like a bad soap opera actually.
Jordan (01:00:52):
Honestly, though it kind of was, and I just like I felt
like the way book one was, Ithought books two and three were
just going to be amazing and Ifeel like it just like fell
really flat because it book oneended on a cliffhanger and so I
thought it was like setting upfor the rest of the series and
it just was awful.
(01:01:13):
And a 37 minute sex chapter.
I was like who needs a 37minute sex chapter?
It got to the point where I wasjust skimming great.
Well, I was listening to it.
So I just like tuned out thesex part because I was just like
, okay, let's get through it,let's get through it.
Fabienne (01:01:33):
I mean I like sex, you know like I like sex in my
books.
But there is also a thing istoo much unless you know again
what you're signing up for andlike make sense for the story
and whatnot.
Jordan (01:01:45):
But if it's just like there for the sake of being
there, because it sells, no,I've been noticing that I love
the build-up and once I'm likehere for that first time and
then every time after that, itcould be essentially a closed
door and I'd be fine with it.
Like I've noticed, I've beenskimming them.
(01:02:07):
So there's several books thatI've read recently where, like
after like the first time andmaybe the second time, then I
just start skimming the sexchapters because I'm like it's
not needed for the story, like Ican, I'm like, okay, let's get
back to the plot, let's get backto the wow I am so happy that
you're saying that, because samereally do.
Fabienne (01:02:28):
We need to rebrand our podcast, the nuts and smutty
book podcast I didn't think ofthat oh wow, maybe, what a
realization.
Huh, no, I'm kidding about therebranding.
But yeah, I, oh God, so youhave that too.
(01:02:49):
Huh, yeah.
Jordan (01:02:54):
I think I just need to read some slow burn.
That's why I want to read MariZapata, Because I feel like she
everybody tells me she's likethe queen of slow burns oh, she,
she, she is definitely.
I feel like that's the story Ineed to read.
Yeah, maybe maybe not that one,but I really want to read the
(01:03:19):
wall of winnipeg and me, thewall of winnipeg yeah, I've read
that one too.
Fabienne (01:03:25):
I've also read um, all roads lead here.
I want to.
Those are the three I have.
Then.
Those are the three that you'rejust gonna have to read and
just you know, like make yourown opinion, like create your
own thoughts about it, becauseactually I think you might like
them, because the writing itselfis is pretty, it's okay, it's
(01:03:46):
not like you know highbrow oranything, it's just very well,
straightforward.
Jordan (01:03:50):
that's why I think I loved american queen, because it
was such a slow burn and it waslike they finally got like had
something at the end of the book.
Yeah, it's like this whole leadup of like basically like hands
, like helping her, like standup I don't want to give anything
away, but like things like thathappening and then when it
(01:04:10):
finally happens, you're like ugh.
Fabienne (01:04:13):
Yeah, like toe curling , you know, like your neck hairs
are, like standing right up andjust like the chicken skin that
you get and like the feelingand the tension.
Sorry, yes, I think that's why,why I am loving katie rose's uh
books lately so much, becauseshe is now focusing on that
(01:04:34):
tension and then towards thatbuild-up and then, like the one,
climax is just like ugh.
Jordan (01:04:40):
You know it's going to be so good, so good so yeah, I
guess those were the books.
Fabienne (01:04:51):
Do you have anything more to add to this very, very
interesting episode, or shall wejust like call it a day?
Jordan (01:04:59):
I think I'm all set.
We can call that a day, we cancall that a wrap wrap wrap it up
, okay.
Thank you so much for listeningand please don't forget to rate
and review wherever you canfind us so catch you next time
bye.
welcome to the bookish hour with jor and fab.
I don't think you have thespace bar your perfume bottle no
, I do now.
Fabienne (00:19):
I think here I was just blabbering but nobody could
actually hear me, which I,which you know, for a change,
might be good sometimes, becauseI do rattle on quite often I
want to hear it all and I can'thear it if it's
yeah, no button without the.
(00:41):
The perfume bottle got it, heygirl hey girl hey, I feel like
it's been a while.
I don't know why, um, but no,actually I do know why, because
it is.
It has been a while.
Like we recorded last mondayand now we did it on a wednesday
(01:04):
, so it's longer than a week,and I have to say I'm feeling
that, like I feel like I haven'tseen you in a while and I kind
of miss your face.
Jordan (01:14):
I miss your face.
I almost forgot that we didn'trecord on Tuesday.
I feel like if we stick toTuesday it doesn't seem that
long, but like Monday toWednesday, it seems like a long
time yeah, even those like twoextra days, it feels like a
freaking eternity exactly.
Fabienne (01:34):
I was actually, uh, expecting you to say like um, uh
, I forgot what, what you looklike?
Oh, just now oh well, you know,because at least I still get to
see your face on instagram,which you went to like a
christmas market thing, yeah,yeah, ironically, I only posted
(01:58):
like stories of me going out tolike a club and like a bar and
so, um, yes, you know what?
Let's just, let's just go thatroute.
Um, I went to a christmasmarket.
I know you did too.
We'll come back to that as wellbecause I want to hear all about
it as well.
Um.
So we went to um, uh,dusseldorf, um, in, which is in
(02:19):
germany and it's actually prettyclose by, like only two and a
half hours of driving, but itwas raining like cats and dogs
that entire weekend.
So we came there and I juststarted like drizzling, you know
, and the market itself wasdivided, like um, into I guess,
quarters.
Like there were a few differentsquares where, like there were
(02:41):
a few different markets, so we'dwalk from like a to b to c
basically, but they were all,they were all over the place,
they weren't in just like onearea, a few different squares
where, like, there were a fewdifferent markets, so we'd walk
from like A to B to C basically,but they were all, they were
all over the place.
They weren't in just like onearea.
No, no, they were all just likecluttered throughout the, uh,
throughout the city.
And that's not even you know.
That's okay, cause you havelike a little walk and you can
just have like your little snack, your pretzels, your what you
call it, um, you name it and um.
(03:06):
So we were, um, at one of thesquares and it started like,
like I said, it starteddrizzling, but it just started
like pouring down heavier andand faster, and there was just
this one moment where we justdecided to like stay in one
place and while that, like inits own or on its own, I should
say it's not even like a badidea, but it would have been, I
(03:29):
guess, maybe funner if it were,like, you know, like one of
those, um, uh, actual bars withlike christmas decorations and
like those you know, um, you'vebeen like to amsterdam, like way
back, and do you remember likewhen, uh, when I say like a
brown cafe, do you kind ofrecall what I mean by that?
Maybe, like those cozy barswith, like the old people behind
(03:53):
the bar will serve you like anice glass of wine and oh, okay,
well, I'll, I'll, I'llreintroduce you obviously in
april.
Um, but I was expecting.
But I was expecting to likejust um, just plop down and just
like a cozy type of cafe, a barsituation, but it was a very
modern shisha bar.
(04:15):
I can't pronounce it for thelife of me.
Um, I guess egyptian or likemoroccan smoke, these like the
big ones where you just have toshare, like one of those.
Do you, do you know what ashisha is?
Maybe I'm asking you know?
All sorts of questions and allyou can say is no, no, I don't
know, I don't recall I, I know,no, I don't know what that is,
(04:37):
I'm a, I'm a, I'm gonna send youa picture.
Give me just one second um, butmoral of the story.
Well, not even a moral, butjust like bottom line.
We just sat down somewherewhich is pretty freaking modern
and very classy and like hip andvery urban, and it was so not
the vibe of like a Christmasmarket.
It was fun, don't get me wrong.
(04:58):
It was fun with the people thatwe went with.
We had a great time, but likeit wasn't as Christmassy as I
would have hoped that it was, sothat was a bit of a shame
though.
Okay, so I have here a shishaum screenshot and sent per
message because you can't,because my camera is all whacked
um photos.
(05:18):
But anyways, just tell me aboutyour weekend, because you went
to Boston.
Jordan (05:24):
I want to say yes, yes and I, oh yes, I think if this
is the same thing, it's likealmost like a hookah bar, like
those are the things I think, soyeah.
I think that's what it's calledas well, maybe okay, because I,
(05:47):
when you were saying shisha, Iwas like I have no idea, no idea
, but that that kind of lookslike a hookah.
Let me see if I can nowinstruction.
Fabienne (05:59):
Yeah, it's just like a sheer, sheer pipe where you
just like sheer tobacco.
Um, I have to say I did it oncewhen I was like, I think, 17,
when I was still like um,studying to become a dental
assistant.
So that was a long while agoand we had one in the city where
the study uh was and or likethis um this college was, and I
(06:20):
went out with a few girls fromthat class back then and, uh, I
have to say it's a pretty funexperience to like smoke the
shisha, because you have likeall of these um flavors,
basically what you have now withthose vapes, you know, like
watermelon, strawberry it'spretty, yes yeah, that is
basically this.
So it is a pretty chill, likevibe, quite literally, but it's
(06:42):
not Christmassy at all so whenwe just sat down, there they
were.
Just they were playing, and Ikid you not, I'm sorry, I'm
totally like hijacking yourboston weekend story.
No, just have to get this outfirst.
Um, they were playing 2012,2012 music like justin bieber,
katie perry, uh, kesha was on,so it was.
(07:03):
It was a complete differentworld when we were in there.
When we walked out, obviously,it was still pouring down, but
then you had all the Christmasmarkets, um, so, yeah, it's
totally not, I literally.
Jordan (07:17):
So you know how you looked at Shisha Shisha, however
you pronounce it.
So I looked up hookah.
It's literally, and I sent youa picture.
It's literally the same thing.
Fabienne (07:26):
Literally the same thing oh my god, yes, oh see, it
says.
Jordan (07:31):
It says vape as well next to it um, but ours, like I
feel, yes, we kind of have thesame situation, because I wanted
to go to like Christmasy barsand stuff, but everything the
things I wanted to do, like Ireally wanted to do Snowport,
(07:53):
which, if anybody in like NewEngland that's listening, it's
Seaport, but they renamed justthis market called Snowport for
the holiday season, which wasreally cool and it was like all
lit up and I loved it and youhad to wait in line for it,
which kind of sucked.
So we waited in line for alittle under an hour, but
(08:15):
honestly, I thought it was worthit.
Don't get me wrong, I don'tneed to go again this year, but
doing it once, I'm like one anddone, and now I don't need to do
it again and it was really cool, um, but you go in and they
have like food, drinks, um, andthen like there's like vendors
(08:38):
so you can go and like buy stuff.
So that is like what was reallycool and we spent like a couple
hours there.
But then, like afterwards,there were like lights that I
wanted to go see, but they werelike on the opposite side of the
city, so it wasn't quite.
It wasn't like everything wasnear and we couldn't just like
walk, so like we didn't really.
Was it that big then?
(08:59):
well, like boston as a whole isbig ah like like so yeah, and
snowport is just in like onearea.
But I wanted to go to like andthere were like number one
Christmassy bars but again theywere like kind of far.
So we went to like a few thatwere labeled as number one, but
I think their number one is likeplaces to go in Boston, not
necessarily for Christmas, solike they were decked out.
(09:23):
So I'm a little disappointed inthat Cause, like I really, and
like I know I want to go back,Cause I guess there's this like
one it's like a hotel bar atlike decks out for Christmas,
and that's like all I want to goto do.
So I told Nick I was like wehave to go back during the week
and just go there for dinner andso hopefully we can do that.
(09:45):
But like I thought it was kindof cool that we both did like
Christmassy, like markets thisweekend, except yours rained, so
like that.
Fabienne (09:56):
Yeah well, like I said , like even though the vibe for
me was different because, youknow, like the hookah or let's
just call it a hookah purchasefor, like convenience's sake, as
opposed to the actual Christmasmarket, that was completely
different, but it was still fun.
But I'm so happy that you had agreat weekend too, and indeed
it is.
You know, like we're on theChristmas, on the Christmassy
(10:19):
track, so to say, because we'reChristmas is almost up,
christmas is almost here.
I know, are you done?
Jordan (10:24):
like Christmas shopping yet.
So to say, because we'rechristmas is almost up,
christmas is always.
It's almost here.
I know, are you done likechristmas shopping yet?
Fabienne (10:29):
uh, no, not yet.
I actually went out today, um,because you know, like
wednesdays are my days off.
Uh, I went out to the citycenter and I got some stuff.
Yeah, I don't want to say, juston the off chance, that my mom
might listen to this episode andI can't, I can't, disclose what
I got for you, mother, um, butyeah, yeah, I, uh, I got a few
(10:49):
presents, but I still have a fewthings that I need to like.
Uh, check off my list, have you?
Jordan (10:55):
have you done some Christmas shopping?
Yeah, I'm pretty much done, butI'm done, thank you, but I have
to wait for them to come in.
The only thing is some of thesethings I ordered like well
enough in advance that I waslike they're going to be here in
time, but now I don't thinkthey're going to be here in time
and I'm a bit nervous, so Imight have to do like more
(11:19):
shopping.
But like I know I'm still goingto have to wrap, like as things
come in.
I'm like wrapping them, um, sothat's the only thing.
That's kind of stressing me out.
At least nick is easy, becauseif one of his things doesn't
come in on time, his birthday'sin january.
So I always I just like save itfor january, then for his
(11:43):
birthday, so it's not the end ofthe world, but like for other
people, smart thinking, thankyou, but that's like.
The one thing I hate about theholidays is like the stress of
like worrying about Christmasshopping.
I don't like that, but like.
So I feel like every year I tryto do it ahead of time so that
(12:04):
way I don't have to worry aboutit, and this year I feel like I
finally have, but now it'swaiting for everything to come
in.
So then I am still kind ofstressed about it.
Fabienne (12:16):
Yeah, yeah, like you were on time this year, but now
the rest isn't on time this year.
Yeah, basically, yeah, typicalUm, but now the rest isn't on
time this year.
Jordan (12:23):
Yeah, basically yeah, and like Typical and for you,
like are things delivered?
Like right to your house, likeright to your front door.
Fabienne (12:33):
Uh, yes and no, because we do live in like an
apartment complex.
So we have like the door, likethe automatic door, like
downstairs, um, but um, this isactually a funny anecdote, I
have to, I have to insert it.
Yeah, so we have like our, our,um, our delivery guy, like our
postman, I guess, um, it'salways like the same guy, like
(12:55):
in this uh neighborhood, like inthis area.
So he, um, because I am anotorious uh web shopper, so to
say in my you know jay's as wellum, so we kind of like trained
the um the delivery guy to justlike come into like the
apartment complex, because ifyou just like press enough
buttons like someone will openthe the automatic door for you
(13:19):
from their apartments.
So he just like places all thepackages like for our actual
door outside here.
Um, and even when we like seehim like uh driving in his van,
if we just like come home fromlike food shopping or just like
uh wherever, really, he justhonks, he stops, he's like, hey,
I got your packages here withme, do you want them?
(13:40):
So he just hand delivers themon the street.
I feel, like that's the best itactually is.
I think I'm going to write himnow that I think about it.
I think I'm going to give him aChristmas card like happy
holidays.
You know, that's just the leastI can do.
Jordan (13:55):
Oh, definitely I get like so frustrated here and
usually it's not an issue exceptaround the holidays, because,
like the holidays you're buying,I refuse to go out and holiday
shop.
If I'm out, really not even liketo get like to, to really like,
immerse yourself, like in, likethe vibe of christmas unless
(14:17):
it's like going to this likesnowport thing like a christmas
market, but like I'm not gonnago to like a box store like um
like market.
But like I'm not going to go tolike a box store like um like
their target, or like I'mthinking like a department store
, because usually it's insaneand having to deal with like the
traffic.
I just I hate it and I peopleget aggressive in those stores.
(14:39):
So if I'm already in a storeand I happen to see something
for someone, then I'll buy it,but I'd rather just like online
shop.
So then it's like not stressfulto like have to go out and do
it.
I get that.
But so I have all thesepackages coming in and what I
hate is like our complex has amail room and what they're
(15:06):
supposed to do is, if they don'twant to enter it, they're
supposed to leave the packagesoutside the mailroom.
Like whether it's like UPS, usp, fedex, like you know, like any
serve like service, that's likedelivering packages.
This is not sponsored by theway by the way.
No, not at all, but like whatI've noticed is like they'll
(15:28):
enter one in but then they'lljust put all of them in there,
so like you might get a packagenumber or you might not, and
then at one point you might butlike so there's been multiple
times where I'll get one packagenumber, so the one package was
delivered, but I'm going throughall of them because I'm like
looking for one and then I findthree others that are also mine.
(15:51):
So it's kind of frustratingthat like it's just not being
entered so I'm trying to lookfor them.
So I know there was like onetime it happened twice where it
was like one time I found threeextra packages in there and
they're just all over the placeso you just have to find your
name.
And then there was another timewhere there was two other
(16:12):
packages in there that were forme and it's kind of like
frustrating.
Yeah, I get that and I get toothat it's like everybody's like
shopping around the holidays,but it's just like just don't do
that, just leave them alloutside, because then the person
that works here will enter themall in.
But if, like the post people doit, then it's like they just
(16:32):
enter it once and shove it allin there, and I'm I get it
because they're probably busylike needing to get to the next
place to like drop off shit, butI'm like, well, then, just
leave it out front and thensomeone else will do it.
But just don't do it like halfassed exactly yeah, I get so
frustrated with them and likepackage deliveries have you ever
(16:55):
like left a complaint orsomething you can't right?
I think you can't I mean Iguess it would be like the
office, but I don't.
It's almost like what's thepoint, because I feel like
they're not, because our ourpost people.
They're always different, likeamazon's, never this name the
there is one post guy whodelivers the mail mail.
(17:18):
So we have like a mailbox thateach like letters go into, but
like it's like this big, so likeno packages actually fit in
there, but like if it's that guyhe's really good and enters
them individually.
But I've also seen another guy,I've seen a lady, I've seen
like and so like those peopleI've never seen besides that one
(17:41):
old male guy.
Fabienne (17:42):
I've never seen the same person twice you think
that's kind of like backwards,right?
I mean, if you have so manydeliveries, you would think that
those people would be like Iguess um be placed in like
segments of like a certain city.
So you have, you like take onthat area, you have to be there,
you take on all of thesepackages and you just bring them
(18:02):
to that place.
So that way you will have allof the same like people.
Plus they will have structure,plus you can always like leave a
note for, like, I guess,personal preference in the sense
of like how you want yourpackages to be delivered.
They can take that into account.
It's all like easier for them.
The actual companies, companiesthemselves too.
You would think you know, youknow what thing, what, what do I
(18:26):
know.
So, yeah, it uh, I guess bottomline it does take, uh, or
brings, I should say, a lot ofstress with uh christmas
shopping, even though it'sonline, there's always stress
there really is, there really is.
You know what's um stress?
Relieving though, venting,venting and ranting about books.
(18:49):
Yeah, I think that is maybe anice segue to what we are um
discussing this episode, yes,talking about which?
today's episode um unpopularopinions.
The books that we not sosecretly maybe secretly hated,
(19:11):
did not like, did not enjoy justa full-on.
No-no um, I, for once, actuallyprepared.
I have a list of you heck.
Yeah, I mean I have like thenames of books that I didn't
that popular books that I didn'tlove, but I didn't like full-on
research well, research ismaybe too big of a word, but
(19:34):
like, I wrote them down and Ihave like some reasonings
written down sort of as well.
Also, before I actually startgonna show you this notebook
that I got from b.
Like my colleague, she giftedthis me uh, to me for my
birthday.
Oh my gosh it's so pretty.
I've started journaling.
I have like the washi tape, Ihave stickers, I have like
(19:57):
stamps I I'm going for.
Look at this, look at this holypoop, at this Holy poo.
Jordan (20:05):
I know.
Fabienne (20:07):
Do you love it?
I am in love with it.
I really enjoy it.
Actually, I did I ever tell youI'm sorry we will get to the
actual unpopular opinion onbooks that we didn't like,
eventually unpopular opinion onhigh like books that we didn't
like, but I eventually first.
First, do you know about mynotorious habit of buying
(20:29):
notebooks with the intention ofwriting in them but then just
like ending up collecting them,shoving them down in a drawer
for them to never see the lightof day anymore?
Jordan (20:40):
I feel like you might have told me that because I do
the same thing, so then I readwith you.
Fabienne (20:47):
Well, if I haven't or I did, this is me saying it
again, but I'm actually pullingthrough now, so I'm writing in
this one almost religiously, so,like I have now full produce,
isn't it?
I love them.
I want to say metallic blue of.
It doesn't matter, the peoplecan't see.
(21:08):
Um, you want me to kick off thefirst title?
Oh yeah, um, this is maybe likea very easy guess, um, or maybe
not, because I'm not reallysure when this episode comes out
.
I think this comes out before,uh-huh, a certain book buddy, so
I'll just hold it off for justnow.
(21:29):
I actually did not enjoy Scarredby Emily McIntyre.
Oh, everyone was so loving andso joyful about it.
But I read it.
I think I even reviewed it andeven if it was a mild review, I
was holding back.
I did not understand why thepeople just collectively enjoyed
(21:56):
the book.
That's not true, I can't see,because there was a morally
great character that was likethis very stereotypical badass
female, which also I havestarted to come to hate the term
badass female, but I'll come tothat in a minute.
Um, but the villain was thefemale main character in this
book, which was actually thething that got me to read it
(22:18):
because you know it's a veryrefreshing take.
Normally the villain is like Idon't know some mobster or like,
yeah, you know, the morallygray wait, wait, wait.
Jordan (22:27):
So then there was still a morally gray hero.
Yes, so were they both villains?
Fabienne (22:34):
they, yes, they were and like I like, like I just
said, it was actually prettyrefreshing because the female
had like a, had like um, uh, arevenge plot like she has.
She had like a revenge plot,like she had like an avenging
type of plot line storyline.
So I was like, okay, this mightbe interesting, this might be
cool, but the entire premisebehind Scarred and like
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basically the entire series ofthose books, basically.
So we have hooked to.
You know, like the Peter Panloose retelling, but not a
retelling.
Um, the same was with scarred,because it was based off again
very loosely.
So on the lion king, on scar,you know, like the yeah, but he
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was a brother line, true.
So this was a really, reallyweird first retelling.
The writing was, for me, it wasawful.
She writes in first-personperspective, which normally I
like because I can really getinto like the head of our main
characters, especially if it'slike multiple POVs.
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But this one was just not it.
Like the characters fell flat.
They were not rounded at all,they were repetitive in their
behavior.
Um, the storyline was waspretty straightforward, which is
not even necessarily a badthing.
Um, because if you know, likeif you can follow a storyline
well, doesn't mean that it's badper se.
(23:59):
But this was just like, so onthe forefront, that I'm like,
you know, I don't even have, Idon't even have an example, but
it, no, that book was just notit for me.
No, it was anticlimactic.
Oh, those are the worst I know.
(24:20):
I know Actually pretty proud ofmyself that I still finished
that, though, because I read itfrom like first page to the end.
Jordan (24:30):
Oh, wow, okay, props to you there.
Fabienne (24:34):
Thank you, thank you.
Jordan (24:36):
Okay, well, I'll kick off the next one.
Yes, please.
I.
Everybody raves about Promisesand Pomegranates by Savar Miller
and I'm not saying it was bad,but like I loved the beginning
and I loved the ending, fromwhat I remembered, but the
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middle was just a bunch ofnothing and I couldn't get into
it.
I couldn't.
I tried.
It took me forever to finishthat book, but I did finish it
from beginning to end, but ittook me forever.
And I would like and I want.
The thing is is, I think it'sbecause I wanted to like it,
because it is a like Greekmythology, not retelling, but
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it's supposed to have like thefirst ones, like Hades and
Persephone, not retelling, butit's supposed to have like the
first ones, like Hades andPersephone, but like and then I
know afterwards it's supposed tobe like other ones.
So I really wanted to like thisseries.
Granted, I read it when bookone was only out, but I, yeah, I
just I couldn't like it.
And but it's interestingbecause I actually really like
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Savar Millers and Emily McIntyreMcIntyres Be Still my Heart
like their romantic suspensethey did together.
I really like that story, butsomething about pomaces and
pomegranates wasn't for me and Iwill not be continuing.
Fabienne (26:07):
Yeah, no, I know that I think we talked about the
Promises of Pomegranates onebefore.
Briefly, like in a mafia sortof episode.
Jordan (26:17):
Oh, we might have.
Fabienne (26:19):
I actually enjoyed that one, but I do agree with
you like that it wasn't anythingspecial.
Like nothing really washappening, like in the middle.
There was like a build-up inthe beginning that, like you
know, like that kicked off thestory and then it was just like
them living um alongside eachother.
Really nothing even happenedbetween, like the, the main
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characters, and then all of asudden, like in the end, there
was a certain um sort of likeclimax, what you call them in
books.
Right, you have like thestoryline you have to build up,
and then the falling action aswell, etc.
Etc.
But then also this really weirdplot twist of him like um
having had, like an affair withher mother, yeah, which also was
something that like reallythrew me off.
(27:02):
Um.
But what I wanted to say wasit's funny that you mentioned
Savar Miller, because I did notlike Vipers and Virtuosos, which
was the music romance, the rockstar romance, the one that
that's the book too right.
Yeah, okay, yes, I never read itand that one is on my list.
Oh, I think the takeaway shouldbe that maybe Emily McIntyre
(27:29):
and Savoir Miller I mean we'rename dropping here right they
just can't write separately, butwhen they combine like their
powers, they write like a killerbook yes, wait, have you read?
Jordan (27:40):
Be Still my Heart, I actually haven't.
Oh, should I?
Yes, I actually haven't.
Should I?
Yes, I should?
Okay, it gives me a mixture oflike no, just kidding, it's got
that like spooky, gothic smalltown.
(28:00):
Small like shore, town likelighthouse yeah sure.
Fabienne (28:08):
Yeah, just random names, nouns, verbs, yeah, nice.
Oh well, all of those namesnouns, they sound like they're
right up my alley.
Actually it's good, becauselighthouse I am associating with
does it hurt, which I reallyloved so I was gonna say it's a
(28:30):
mix between gothic, kana anddoes it hurt?
Jordan (28:32):
but like now I don't want to say that it's like not
that.
So like, take that back, butI'm, I think I'm only saying it
because gothic kind of gives mespooky vibes and there's a
lighthouse right, not really youknow, whatever works, whatever
works, but you like that book,so so I'm, uh, probably have to
add that to my tbr.
Fabienne (28:53):
Yes, yeah, yes, yeah, um, anyway, so, circling back, I
I did not enjoy vipers andvirtuosos.
Um, they had, okay, look, youknow that I have.
Um, I've had some troublereading dark romance lately, um,
in general, because I can'treally get into the genre really
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anymore.
Like, there are only likecertain like authors that I
still really enjoy Montage,carrie, lake, brunix, obviously,
kv Rose, you know you name itbut all of these other writers
that just like pop up like leftand right and I try to like
still read dark romance and Istill do, I still do.
(29:36):
Also, I'm rambling again, I'msorry, no, keep it coming, but I
feel like, um and I actuallytalked to, talked about it, um,
with a friend of mine too that Ifeel like the genre has become
so like oversaturated.
Um, all of these authors and Imean that in the nicest way
possible, like even myself, in asense, like I started like this
freaking Instagram account withthe intention of writing a book
(30:00):
.
I haven't written any chapterssince, like last May.
Jordan (30:06):
So, like you, still, it's always there for you to
come back to.
Fabienne (30:10):
That is very true, that is true.
Thank you for the positive spin.
But because everyone is nowlike publishing left and right,
I feel like what do I have tobring to the table?
Jordan (30:22):
um so, all of the dark romances.
You have something to bring tothe table and you know, like
you're okay.
Some of these people that arepublishing books, their writing
is not necessarily the bestestbut, and you know, like your
writing is definitely betterthan I feel like that's so mean.
Fabienne (30:47):
But this is a mean episode.
We are bashing authors left andright as well.
We're knee-dropping.
Jordan (30:52):
I'm saying like, if they're publishing, so can you.
Fabienne (30:56):
That is true.
If that is the bar then I cansurpass.
I'm saying, like, if they'republishing, so can you.
That is true.
If that is the bar that I cansurpass I'm kidding, do not
overestimate yourself.
That is rule number one in thisworld.
But I hope that you.
Thank you, though, for thecompliment.
That's really nice and actuallypretty still encouraging.
(31:16):
So, thanks, welcome, welcome.
But that was not like that.
That was not the direction Iwanted to go into.
It was more like becauseeveryone is like publishing now,
like you know, props to themall, you know, like all the
power to you, but because thegenre has been like, so I guess,
ah, fuck, what's the word?
Um, well, I, I just said itlike oversaturated, right?
(31:38):
So everything that we read isjust like a copy of the same
that has been before, just likewith a different sort of spin to
it.
So whenever I read like darkromances now, I'm like I can't
get into it because everyonethinks that they can write now,
me included.
But everyone is also publishing, so everything I can't really
explain it.
Jordan (32:02):
No, I can kind of get what you're saying, cause like
that's why I don't read mafiaanymore.
Like I don't read mafiaromances because I feel like
it's the same story over andover again.
I feel like I kind of in thesame way with you.
I'm like looking at my booksand I'm like, okay, some dark
romance authors I will alwayscontinue to read, and or either
I don't want to say dark romance, I want to say, like authors in
(32:23):
general, that I will alwaysread because I like their
writing style.
But I found that I need to likedisassociate those authors from
other authors, because I'vearced a few books where I think
I read them at a good time so Icould step back and just read
the story for what it was.
But I've noticed that like if Icompare authors like this, that
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story is a lot less I don'twant to say detailed, but like
it's a lot more simple where ourfavorite authors can be more
detailed and more dense in Xsubject matter and these other
stories are just very surfacelevel.
(33:11):
But I've noticed like usuallythere's that cookie cutter type
contemporary romance where it'slike the very basic.
All of a sudden they're goingto fall in love.
They say I love you, the climaxhappens and then, happily, ever
after I've noticed those havebeen coming into dark romance
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and it will be like a 180 switchfor these like characters to
then all of a sudden be likethey have trust issues and then
be like, oh, I love you so much.
There's that, yeah.
Then I've also noticed some darkromance authors, whether
they're like new or if they'recoming from the contemporary
side, all of a sudden are likedoing dark romance for the the I
(34:02):
want to say like wow factor,but that's not the right word,
but they're just trying to seehow dark they can get it and how
kinky they can get it and putit and calling it dark romance,
which that's not necessarilywhat I want to see.
And it's like a dark romancelike we went into this before,
so I'm not going to get into itagain.
(34:22):
But I I hate seeing those twothings because it's like I feel
like you're right, I I feel likekv rose, monty, j runix, nicole
fiorina, um, yeah, the thesepeople like how can I?
How?
Like I know it's, it'sparanormal, witchy too, but how
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am I supposed to go from boneisland that like such a good
story and the writing, and thenpick up so much depth, like
multi-layered characters as wellyes, and then you pick up.
I'm trying to think of like, andI don't want to shit on any
books, but like, besides theones we are shitting on, but
(35:07):
like, I'm just thinking of like,oh, I'm thinking of this one
book in particular and I do notwant to call it out, but I think
I think I know which one thatyou talked about.
Fabienne (35:17):
I think I think we we buddy read it actually even
recorded one half for the, forthe podcast, and then decided to
just like scrap it no, so Iwasn't actually thinking about
that one, oh, but oh, okay.
Jordan (35:29):
But yes, we'll take that one for example, so we don't
have to call that one out.
But I mean, actually it was anarc that I got like a while ago
that I'm like comparing it'sjust it's such a basic story and
so it's just like so hardbecause it's like if I know I'm
gonna get a story that is likeone of those authors that we
love, then it's like I'm herefor it.
(35:50):
But I'm also like these.
But sometimes I want that likecookie cutter, basic, light
contemporary romance.
So it's like I love lc silverbut like that's what her stories
are like.
No offense to lc silver,they're great stories and I'm
obsessed with them and I lovethem and I'm going, I can't wait
(36:11):
for her new one.
But it's also like you knowwhat you're getting into.
So it's like I would pick herup in between these like really
dense, dark reads.
But then I'm like these darkromances that I pick up,
expecting to be like thesehigher pieces aren't yeah, well
(36:33):
said, you explained thatbeautifully.
Fabienne (36:36):
I hope so.
No, you did you do, genuinelyyou did, you really did.
I was looking for the words.
Obviously, I can never findthem, so I'm so happy to call
you that you're, you know, likemy teammate, my partner, my
co-host, who does speak words.
Well, I'd explain shitbeautifully.
Apparently no, but yes, Iobviously wholeheartedly, 100%,
(37:03):
completely agree, yeah, thankyou.
So, circling back to the booksthat we didn't like, just from
the entire genre.
Apparently, I didn't like that.
One book I'm not going to namedrop because that I feel like
it's just too mean the one thatwe just spoke about but not
(37:25):
actually naming it that we tookas an example.
What is this?
Jordan (37:32):
I was trying to do the title yeah, yeah, yeah, this one
, yeah, gotcha.
Fabienne (37:39):
Wow, I'm so bad at charades.
You never play that game withme.
Jordan (37:43):
I feel like we got to play it in April.
I think that's just going to beso much fun.
Fabienne (37:49):
Note to self whenever she says do not play charades,
play charades, okay, but yes,that one.
I also did not like a certainbuddy read that we did, which
you know we have done multiple.
Jordan (38:06):
We have done multiple buddy reads in the past and one
of them pretty recently I didnot really enjoy and then there
was also others where we werelike going to do it on the
podcast and then we recorded oneepisode and we were like we
cannot do this.
No, oh, you know, you knowwhich one?
I read this a long time ago.
(38:28):
But one that I really did notlike was everybody was raving
about the cheat sheet by sarahadams.
Do you remember when that wasgoing around?
And everybody thinks so yeah, I.
So I got really excited and,don't get me wrong, like I can
do closed door, like romances,like that's no issue for me.
But oh my god, this one washorrible, horrible, and I of
(38:53):
course finished it to the endbut I almost thought like I
didn't know it was closed door.
So I was like maybe the sexwill make up for it, but like
the miscommunication in thatbook was insane and I wanted to
murder these characters.
But it wasn't evenmiscommunication.
I feel like I can handle somemiscommunications if done right.
(39:14):
If it's like I don't want tosay anything to you, so it's
like I'm going to just pine overyou off to the side, like I get
a little bit frustrated, but Ican read it.
This was.
She told him how she felt andhe was like, oh, really, and
she'd be like no, just kidding.
And the amount of times thathappened it was at least three
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within the book I was like no,no, no, just no, oh god, I, I
just can't.
Fabienne (39:50):
I'm trying to picture, then, why people did love it.
I don't because the majority,and especially like of our core,
click on instagram.
Excuse me, um, I don't thinkthat any any one of us really
particularly enjoys themiscommunication trope.
So then I think, why do why?
(40:11):
just just just why I don't know,but I was going insane, insane
I will say though and actuallyyou just said it as well like,
if there's just like a tinysliver of a good
miscommunication trope, good inthe sense of like it's written
well, it's like you know itactually has a purpose for the
story later in the book, thenthen you know it works out, it's
(40:36):
fine, because it actually um,adds to the stories like um, um,
what's the word?
Uh, complimentary if you will,but if you just add it for the
sake of like, oh, I have to addin like this little trope, and
then I have to put in anotherdifferent type of ingredient to
just make this a good book,apparently because it sells.
No, yeah, ugh, no, okay.
(41:02):
Well then, I guess you know,like, in that same vein, I'm
just I'm just going to say I didnot like iron flame.
Oh yeah, no, especially with theuh, with um uh, with the
argument that I just gave, likeit just had like a bunch of like
crammed inside this one book,Because I think Rebecca thought
(41:26):
you know this might sell.
This seems good Other books sodoes Stu?
What if I just, like you know,put it all like in one cauldron,
stir it, it together and seewhat type of magic comes out?
Nothing, I tell you.
Nothing comes out.
Jordan (41:40):
Nothing or garbage I, I feel I'm not gonna say anything
because I know we don't want todo like spoilers, but no, I feel
like we backtracked 20 yearswith the one plot line with
violet, and somebody elseliterally backtracked us as
(42:02):
society as a whole and women ingeneral, and I was not here for
that, nope and but like again,don't get me wrong, I'm still
gonna read the next book.
But, yeah, I don't like it.
I don't mind either for it andI'm still gonna read the next
book, but yeah I didn't like it.
I don't know either for it, andI'm still like fourth wing is a
completely different book.
That is what it is fourth wing,I am I am just so curious to
(42:27):
where it went wrong I don't know, but like, still obsessed with
fourth wing and I love fourthwing and I will die in the
fourth wing hill, but then justiron flame is over there we, uh,
we're gonna ignore that, eventhough it's canon in the series.
Fabienne (42:43):
You know we're gonna ignore that event and just move
on to like book number three.
Yep, whenever it comes out.
That is exactly.
Um, I have another title.
Okay, give, give it to me.
Jordan (43:02):
I Hate it Hollow by Karina Halle.
Oh no, I still haven't read it.
Fabienne (43:06):
Do you want me to discuss it or do you just want
to leave that because you mightstill read it?
Well, I do want to read it.
Jordan (43:19):
I don't want to give you like a bias to not read it you
can give me like no spoilers,but like give me like maybe a
little bit why you didn't likeit okay, so like an umbrella
argument okay, cool.
Fabienne (43:32):
Um, the characters fell flat.
It was weirdly paced.
There was no true characterintroduction to one specific
character, it just popped up orhe popped up.
I did not like the thoughtprocess of the female main
(43:59):
character.
She was very juvenile, oh okay.
And her no, I'm gonna leave itat that.
Okay, just could not get intothe characters.
They irritated me immensely.
So that was a no for me andhonestly I would.
I felt I felt really bad aboutit because I got it as an arc so
(44:22):
yeah, that's um, it happens,this life, life be lifing, as
some would say.
Um, I have a few others thatmaybe you want to, yeah I okay.
Jordan (44:35):
So like a while ago I got, I read dance of thieves by
mary e pearson pearson, I don'tknow how you would say her name,
but she did the, the kiss ofdeception.
But I read that like YA series.
(44:57):
It was actually like a buddyread, with somebody else Hated
that book, hated it, hated it.
But I continued it Like I wouldhave DNF'd it, but I continued
it because I was buddy readingit.
Oh, I hated it.
We both hated it and I don'tknow why we continued it.
And so I definitely did notpick up like the second book.
But like you both, did.
Fabienne (45:17):
Why did you stop well?
Jordan (45:19):
because like halfway it was like it's time.
You're never getting backjordan, I know and I regret
every minute of it, but it waslike a long time ago now, but
like I think, like I, I think weboth kept thinking it was going
to get better and it just nevergot better.
Fabienne (45:39):
You were such a hopeful young woman back then.
Jordan (45:41):
I know I really was.
Fabienne (45:45):
Dancing with Thieves.
Dances with Thieves, Danceswith Thieves.
Jordan (45:50):
I think is the title.
Fabienne (45:51):
It sounds familiar.
Is it fantasy?
Jordan (45:53):
Fantasy with Thieves, dance with Thieves.
Fabienne (45:54):
Yeah, oh, dance with Thieves.
Jordan (46:02):
Yeah, Pretty popular I guess familiar, is it?
Fabienne (46:03):
fantasy, fantasy, dance of thieves?
Yeah, yeah, pretty popular, Iguess, maybe I don't know.
It's like ya.
At least now I know that I canstrike through that title on my
yes, yes, saves me literally onebook.
But you know, it's whatever.
All on, little titles countapparently.
Um, oh, I have a fun one.
Oh, I love, I loved, loved theseries.
But I hated throne of glass.
(46:27):
I hated the first actual bookin the throne of glass series.
I hated.
I hated sel Selina, selina,selina.
I hated that it was thirdperson, because I read A Court
of Thorns and Roses first andthen I started the do not look
(46:48):
at me like I just killed you orlike I killed you.
No, no, no, come back, younglady.
No, I hated the first book.
I loved the overall series andI loved the second book.
I really did.
Jordan (47:04):
I did not like the second book.
I loved the first book In thepremise of like as I'm reading
it, I loved the first, hated thesecond and then I loved the
third and I know a lot of peopledid not like third.
I love the third and then Ilove them as they continued, but
, like, I hated the second one.
I felt like and I understoodlike why they had it in there
(47:28):
because of getting you to thethird book but I hated the
second one.
I thought it was too slow, thatperson didn't need to leave and
but this, the first one Iactually liked, I liked the
whole competition part well, Idon't like um, um, um.
Fabienne (47:51):
I guess de-ground my arguments for, like you know,
like um, give my reasons not anyground to wow, I can't even
talk.
Okay, I just did not likethrowing a glass.
I hated all the exclamationpoints.
There was a surplus ofexclamation points in that one
book.
Selena felt like she was thebestest person in the world,
which I really hate if you havesuch like an inflated ego.
Jordan (48:13):
But then again, it's I have to say um the.
I lost it I lost my mic yeah, Ilost it.
I was trying to get it back,but I can't get it.
I can't get it back.
Fabienne (48:30):
So we might just be like oh, okay, well then we're
just going with the flow, youknow if it comes back.
Jordan (48:37):
I don't like soon.
I can like repeat what I saidher.
I heard the switch.
Fabienne (48:42):
Oh wait, I think it's back it like manifesting oh okay
, yes, continue okay.
Jordan (48:53):
So I actually was talking to somebody else about
this because that is the onething.
So like not to talk anyspoilers.
But Selina goes through no,like character growth, like
everything she does is justperfect and amazing and her
plans always work, where atleast, because like, okay, okay,
(49:17):
two different thoughts.
So at least Feyre has thischaracter like journey into
strength through these books,where Selina doesn't Selina,
however you say it and thatactually, even though Throne of
Glass is still my favoriteseries of like the two, I hate
(49:38):
that she's just perfect and shecan do no wrong, where at least
pharah messes up, has mistakes,is working through things and
then becomes this like strong,no spoilers, strong person, um,
(49:59):
and so I, and but I do think Ithink Crescent City might be
like my favorite series becauseI think Bryce um will have the
same sort of things as Feyre,which I'm hoping even in book
one.
You could kind of tell that sortof thing.
So I do agree with you becauseI did not like that.
But I still love the wholeworld building and all the other
(50:22):
characters within throne ofglass.
That I right now is still mylike number one series, but I,
but I don't, yeah, as many timesas I reread a court of thorns
and roses.
I don't think I can get myselfto reread Throne of Glass,
because I don't think I couldput myself.
Hell, no, I don't think I couldput myself through reading
(50:42):
Assassin's Blade, throne ofGlass or Hour of Dawn, are you?
Fabienne (50:48):
kidding me.
Jordan (50:49):
Yeah, I actually didn't mind that one Right, okay, but
and I would love to like tandemread it with empire storm, but I
just don't think I will everreread that series I think it's
also too much of a commitment.
Fabienne (51:10):
Yes, although it won't be, it wouldn't be.
Uh, it wouldn't hurt.
Jordan (51:15):
I should say um, to understand how all the stories
might like link to one anotherthat's true, or it's like you
know you could reread her booksand find things that you didn't
catch the first time, like evenone of my friends who's like
reread that book.
Um, she's told me things that,like you wouldn't like pick, you
(51:40):
wouldn't have picked up on thefirst time because you didn't
know that existed or would havebeen right, but like now, like
knowing what the world is, wouldbe able to pick up on it.
So like that's kind of cool andlike the one thing where she
falls, like I would love to likereread that again, having other
(52:04):
things in my mind.
Fabienne (52:07):
Well said, thank you.
You spend it on explaining thedark Roman shit I get it.
Jordan (52:13):
Yeah, I've lost it all.
Wait, but I have another one, Ihave another one, I have
another one.
Yes, okay, yes, and I'm goingthere, I'm going there.
I loved the first two books andI don't know what happened in
the third book but Fractured inthe Twisted Tales by r phillips
(52:43):
fucking name dropped.
I mean, if you knew whatfractured was then no, but I'd
be just one second to uh to geton board I just don't know what
happened and I can't tell ifit's because, like I liked one
guy more and I'm not going tosay anything, but like I liked
one guy more and I'm not, andlike, of course, like that
(53:05):
wasn't the guy that's picked,and I don't know if it was like
I didn't think it was that but Iwas like maybe it is that.
But then, talking to otherpeople that didn't like the same
person, they were like no, Istill felt that way and it's
like I don't know person.
They were like no, I still feltthat way and it's like I don't
know.
Like I think it the whole bookcould have been handled
differently and it better in myeyes, and especially how certain
things happened, which I get,what she was trying to do and
(53:29):
how she's setting it up forother books, but I'm still like
I think you could have handledthat better and it's it's just
so tough because I loved thefirst two books, so like when
the last book kind of just likeit sucked, it pooped, yep,
literally shit the bed oh, mygoodness, I think you kind of
(53:51):
just like, uh, solidified my, uh, my stance on that series
because I did read like thefirst two books.
Fabienne (53:57):
You gifted me the first book I love entangled yeah
, entangled, and then it wasbound, and loved that book.
I have to say I liked it withthe big butt, oh, big, um, like,
I think like how exactly I likebig butts and I cannot lie, or
(54:21):
anyways, um, so, like the secondhalf of bound, I, I think I
already like felt somethingcoming in the sense of not
really sure where this is headed, necessarily, but, uh, I, I
think I'm just might end it here, the series.
And then I remember you readinglike the third book, because
(54:44):
you arced it and like you knowthe whole shebang and you
basically told me what hadhappened.
You know, because I asked forit to.
You know, like, just give me anentire synopsis please.
And yeah, I can understand whyyou said why are you saying that
you didn't like it?
Hate it actually?
Yeah, too bad, too bad, andespecially when you have like
(55:12):
such high hopes, like you know,like you have such high
expectations from, like eitherthe finale of a trilogy or, like
you know, like the last book ina series and you're just like
hoping that this would be likethe ultimate climax really to
the series, but then all of asudden just like falls flat,
yeah, but you know it is what itis.
(55:34):
You lose some, definitely, yeah, yeah, but you know, again,
life be lifing, that's uh,that's how I guess, sometimes
books are good, sometimes booksare bad.
That's just the way the worldworks, apparently, I guess.
So, uh, uh, I have, and then Iam through my list.
(55:58):
Okay, I have one more.
Jordan (56:01):
I have one more I could say Okay, I also didn't like.
Fabienne (56:09):
Wow, I was debating whether to say love or like, so
going with like From Lukov withLove by Mariana Zapata.
Jordan (56:21):
She writes oh wow, that didn't cut me.
Oh, I really want to read thatone.
Fabienne (56:28):
Okay, Well you still can.
I'm not going to say anythingabout it then.
Like with spoilers andeverything or anything actually
was the word I'm looking for.
But it was a very simple bookand I'm not actually meaning
anything by that.
Like I don't mean anything byit, but it felt a very the book
(56:54):
read as it.
Wait, how do I say that?
The book felt like it followeda very simple storyline and,
again, that's not necessarilybad, because you know.
You know what you sign up for.
If you read blurbs, if you likeread into it, if you do some
digging like into it, like thestory will entail.
But the characters all of asudden, at the very unexpected
(57:19):
point in the story, make acomplete 180 in their
relationship and it does notmake sense to me, nor does it
make sense to the story.
There is no true, I guess,organic growth between the main
(57:39):
characters.
Organic growth between the maincharacters, it's just like oh,
we're gonna name this likerivals to lovers.
And then all of a sudden it'slike but I actually loved you
this entire time and then younever noticed as the reader that
they actually did like oneanother.
And I don't really like when astory isn't set up well in that
regard, like I need little hints, I need little like snippets
(58:00):
throughout the story that willindicate that there is like a
growing tension between maincharacters, like there is
something actually like you know, like budding between them, and
this was just not.
It fell flat so, but you shoulddefinitely read it.
I mean, I still read it andalso I I read it like in one day
(58:20):
too, you know, and it's likefour or five hundred pages.
That was, you know, like in myprime time, when I was still
reading books every single day.
But you know, those days arebehind me, I guess.
But yeah, I did not like that,that book at all.
Jordan (58:36):
Anyways, what's your uh plus title?
I also did not realize how darkmy like thing is now, so now
we're just gonna use my phoneflashlight do you not have?
your, uh, your ring light.
Well, so my one light broke,like the cord, because I used to
(58:58):
spin it around itself, and solike the cord snapped off and
like when I was mid using it.
So I'm like clicking thebuttons and I'm like why is it
not working?
Like is it not charged?
And I'm like, no, my thing'scharged, it should be working.
And then I realized that thecord wasn't connected anymore.
So like that was awkward.
(59:18):
Um, okay, so the last one islike actually kind of a series,
but it's the new camelot or theamerican queen series by sierra
simone.
So like I loved american queen,like I loved that book, but I
feel like it was the way it was.
Like that book in itself, Ithought, because, like Sierra
(59:43):
Simone can write, she's like avery good writer, and it was
like the tension.
And then you're like gettingintroduced to these characters
and then they're like so good,but books two and three sucked.
But it was almost like werelived the same book from
different perspectives, whichyou would think would be good,
(01:00:05):
but it's not, it's, it just feltvery repetitive.
Instead of like being like, oh,this is a new outlook, it was
just felt repetitive and then Ihated how much sex was in it, it
was just all sex and like I getit like if that's like what
you're signing up for, so like,hey, if you want all sex book,
(01:00:28):
then like read books two andthree.
But I felt like there was noconnection between the female
character and the two male maincharacters.
I feel like the two male maincharacters had a ton of
connections and essentially Ifeel like the female should have
died off and then the two malemain characters.
I feel like the two male maincharacters had a ton of
connections and essentially Ifeel like the female should have
died off and then the two maleslived together for the rest of
their lives, happily ever after,because that's kind of the way
it felt and was written.
Fabienne (01:00:49):
Sounds like a bad soap opera actually.
Jordan (01:00:52):
Honestly, though it kind of was, and I just like I felt
like the way book one was, Ithought books two and three were
just going to be amazing and Ifeel like it just like fell
really flat because it book oneended on a cliffhanger and so I
thought it was like setting upfor the rest of the series and
it just was awful.
(01:01:13):
And a 37 minute sex chapter.
I was like who needs a 37minute sex chapter?
It got to the point where I wasjust skimming great.
Well, I was listening to it.
So I just like tuned out thesex part because I was just like
, okay, let's get through it,let's get through it.
Fabienne (01:01:33):
I mean I like sex, you know like I like sex in my
books.
But there is also a thing istoo much unless you know again
what you're signing up for andlike make sense for the story
and whatnot.
Jordan (01:01:45):
But if it's just like there for the sake of being
there, because it sells, no,I've been noticing that I love
the build-up and once I'm likehere for that first time and
then every time after that, itcould be essentially a closed
door and I'd be fine with it.
Like I've noticed, I've beenskimming them.
(01:02:07):
So there's several books thatI've read recently where, like
after like the first time andmaybe the second time, then I
just start skimming the sexchapters because I'm like it's
not needed for the story, like Ican, I'm like, okay, let's get
back to the plot, let's get backto the wow I am so happy that
you're saying that, because samereally do.
Fabienne (01:02:28):
We need to rebrand our podcast, the nuts and smutty
book podcast I didn't think ofthat oh wow, maybe, what a
realization.
Huh, no, I'm kidding about therebranding.
But yeah, I, oh God, so youhave that too.
(01:02:49):
Huh, yeah.
Jordan (01:02:54):
I think I just need to read some slow burn.
That's why I want to read MariZapata, Because I feel like she
everybody tells me she's likethe queen of slow burns oh, she,
she, she is definitely.
I feel like that's the story Ineed to read.
Yeah, maybe maybe not that one,but I really want to read the
(01:03:19):
wall of winnipeg and me, thewall of winnipeg yeah, I've read
that one too.
Fabienne (01:03:25):
I've also read um, all roads lead here.
I want to.
Those are the three I have.
Then.
Those are the three that you'rejust gonna have to read and
just you know, like make yourown opinion, like create your
own thoughts about it, becauseactually I think you might like
them, because the writing itselfis is pretty, it's okay, it's
(01:03:46):
not like you know highbrow oranything, it's just very well,
straightforward.
Jordan (01:03:50):
that's why I think I loved american queen, because it
was such a slow burn and it waslike they finally got like had
something at the end of the book.
Yeah, it's like this whole leadup of like basically like hands
, like helping her, like standup I don't want to give anything
away, but like things like thathappening and then when it
(01:04:10):
finally happens, you're like ugh.
Fabienne (01:04:13):
Yeah, like toe curling , you know, like your neck hairs
are, like standing right up andjust like the chicken skin that
you get and like the feelingand the tension.
Sorry, yes, I think that's why,why I am loving katie rose's uh
books lately so much, becauseshe is now focusing on that
(01:04:34):
tension and then towards thatbuild-up and then, like the one,
climax is just like ugh.
Jordan (01:04:40):
You know it's going to be so good, so good so yeah, I
guess those were the books.
Fabienne (01:04:51):
Do you have anything more to add to this very, very
interesting episode, or shall wejust like call it a day?
Jordan (01:04:59):
I think I'm all set.
We can call that a day, we cancall that a wrap wrap wrap it up
, okay.
Thank you so much for listeningand please don't forget to rate
and review wherever you canfind us so catch you next time
bye.
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