August 17, 2023 • 31 mins
Interview with Calboy on The Bootleg Kev Podcast.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yo, it's cat Away checking in, checking me out on
the bootleg kV podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's lit, it's a movie.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
Let's get it, yo, boutleg cab podcast. Man, we got
a special guest in here. Cowboys in the building.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
What's up, man, what's happening? What's happening.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
I'm chilling, brother. It's good to see you. It's been
a minute since. I been like five years since I
saw you. What have you been up to?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Working hard, working hard? Thank you? Smart, trying to maneuver,
get over obstacles.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yeah, I mean I saw you did lad like a
year ago, and I saw I mean because listen, you
have had one of the bigger records in the last
five years. Envy me was a moment? Was it triple platinum?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
It's five times now, five times platinum?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
My goodness, that's fire. That's gotta be a dope plaque. Like,
did you get the five times platinum plac yet?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
No?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
You gotta you gotta buy that one.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah, yeah, I'm on it. I'm gonna get I'll stopped
at three.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah like that.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Every time you get a new certification, I need to
get a new plaque. It's like Jesus right, But yeah,
I mean, I know you kind of went through it
with with with the label at the time because you
were with RCA M. Now you're fully independent, So congrats
to that. I always congratulate artists when they're independent because
I think it's the way to go.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Finally free type. Shit.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
What was the uphill battle for you with you know,
because from a fans perspective, a lot of people like,
we're having a cowboy, you know what I'm saying. So
what's been going on and what was kind of some
of the uh, you know, things you had to go
through with getting out of that deal and and trying
to move on and get this music out that you're
sitting on.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Well, I would say one of the bigger problems was like.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
The back end business, you know what I'm saying, Like
getting like different personalities to see out of eye things
like that to actually get the ball rolling. That was
very difficult in my situation, you know what I'm saying, in.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Terms of just like agreeing on what to put out,
agreeing on when to put it out.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah, So from a fan's perspective, it looks like cal
ain't working or he ain't he don't care about us type,
And then I kind of disappeared to them.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I mean that's what I was, like, what happened to cowboy?
My boy hit me? And I was like, oh, because
I remember you did Divide interview that went viral for
other reasons.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
It's just a lot of the bs behind closed doors
just slowed down, a consistency and the flow.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Yeah, because people don't understand, like when you're on a
major label, it is very much a mutual relationship. So
in their eyes, per your contract, if you turn a
body of work in and we released it, I owe
you money. Here's an advance for that album. Right, So
in their eyes, their perspective is, well, we got to
(02:44):
feel good about whatever this is. We got to agree
on if we feel strong about all these records, and
then that's when you know, or you know, you got
to catch a moment and force their hand almost right,
you know what I'm saying. So there is always that
gridlock on the major label side.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yeah, So that's what it was. Yeah, for sure, And
and I figured it out. I got up out of there.
Now we work.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Was it easy to get your obviously it wasn't easy
to get your release, But tell me about that process
of getting released off of.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
It took a couple of years.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yeah, took a little money, took a strong support system.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Did you have to buy yourself out?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Not necessarily, No, okay, but I had to just let
a lot of things go.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, if you get what.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
I mean in terms of, like some of your music
you recorded on their dime. Yeah, so it's like you
record music on their dime, you might not ever hear
that music. But do they still have the right Jesus sorry,
do they still have the right to release that music?
Or is it just like, hey, this is us, you
know what I'm saying, Like, you go do your thing.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, it's really it's really like that, I'm just doing
my own thing. They ain't really worried about the other music,
but I'm sure they would cause a hass if I
try to like.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Drop stuff on you. Yeah, no, that makes sense. I've
had friends of mine who's like been on major labels
and then they'll get with like a really big producer,
like let's just use an example, Timbaland or somebody right right,
and then they get off of the label, but they
still got all these unreleased songs with like these giant producers,
and they're like, ah, do I risk just throwing this
(04:24):
shit out there to see what happens, you know. I
mean it can work both ways. It could work out,
or it could be like, yeah, you get a cease
and assist.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Right now working on like all fresh music. You know
the energy that I'm in right now, how I feel
right now.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
So no, the new songs Dope. I watched the video
It's dope, Dope record Snap.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
For sure, that was one of the ones where I
was just feeling myself, you know what I'm saying. But
that's the start of it, unchanged, just explaining like what
I really went through for real.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yeah, well for people who don't know because I saw it.
I mean, you lost a lot of your personal friends.
I think you lost twelve friends in a year now
eight and two eight year eight friends in two years. Yeah,
so that's gotta be like.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Three of them was family members, a older cousin, a
younger cousin, and a cousin around my age.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
It's crazy because we hear that same story coming from
so many people from your city, right and it's like,
you know, ge Herbalt has a song called PTSD and
he talks a lot about like the mental strength you
have to have to be from where he's from, where
you're from, you know what I'm saying. And to deal
with so much loss and so much hurt, Like do
you ever feel like you had an opportunity to really mourn.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah, behind closed doors when you were by yourself, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
But you grow I mean numb to it. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
You get used to it. I wouldn't say numb to
it because you still care, but.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
No, but it's it's used to it. Yeah, you can get.
I mean, it's something you can get used to if
you get There's women out here who are getting cheated
on by the same guy for a decade who I know,
And I'm like, well, you're just used to it at
this point, like you don't even care anymore, Like you like,
shit happens to you and unfortunately, no matter how traumatic
it is, like you're kind of conditioned to deal with it.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
I always say it could be worse.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
That's what I mean. Everything could always be worse. So
do you ever feel like you have ever like consider
maybe hitting therapy, talking out some of your ship like that.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I tried that before. Oh you did. Yeah, like talking
to somebody all the time.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
It work a little bit, It's cool, Yeah, but I'd
rather just do music for real, like that is your therapy.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, that's what it is.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I love that this album you're about to release is
your first album as an independent artist, right, which is
a big deal. Yeah, this is a new space for
you to be who you are with already with a
five times platinum record, and now you're able to kind
of move freely. You're able to kind of call the
(07:01):
shot to do what you want to do. How does
it feel like it? Is it something there's got to
be like a cool just energy to that.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yeah, yeah, I feel free. I don't know why I
keep saying that, but that's what it feels like. Feel
like a waiter is off my shoulder.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
You know.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I get to see certain things, you know what I'm saying.
I get to move how I want to. I mean,
it's just a better positive energy all the way around,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
That's how I feel. You know what I'm excited for.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
I was gonna say, what would you say your was
your biggest For people who think you just disappeared, what
would you attribute that to the reason of that is it?
Is it the label thing or is it just like
what was? What was? What's the reason why we haven't
gotten a lot of music from you in the last
few years.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
It's a label thing. Yeah, it was a label thing,
bro for sure.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Is it hard to still stay motivated if you feel
like you're kind of like, no.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
I'm still living. You know, my two feet still move,
you know what I'm saying. So I mean I'm grateful
for that.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
And I can work and I can grind, I can
do what I want to do steal, So I love it.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I ain't tripping. I always stay motivated.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Uh your writing process? Are you the type of artist?
Because when I hear your ship, I feel like you
lay the melody first and then you go in and
feeling the lyrics. Is that what you do? No? Pen
straight like.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Stroud this out?
Speaker 3 (08:21):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
My homies be laughing at me because they'd be like,
what are you doing in there? He's just mumbling and
I'd be like, I'm just humming.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
And you know, trying to catch the vibe.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, And they come back five minutes later it's a
whole song. They're like, oh man, that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Is that quick five minutes, you're you're a beast.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah, yeah, I'll be going crazy.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
I mean you just told me I had like two
hundred unreleased songs.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
So yeah, I got a lot of release music.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I'm assuming that there's gonna be a whole lot of
pressure coming from you. H Do you look five years
is a long time from having a record that kind
of puts you on the forefront of hip hop for
a while, right, right? Do you feel like you have
to get any of those like because fans have a
short attention span extended I mean nowadays, man, I feel
(09:06):
like fans are extremely finicky. They're very fair weather fans,
Like they'll be fucking with you one day until the
next shit comes out.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
And right, and then that might be better or whatever
it is right for you.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
You kind of feel like you're a new artist all
over again, Like you got to kind of remind people
who you are and what you're in, what you're doing,
and like, you.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Know, I feel like that, Yeah, but every day I
get reminded why it's not that still.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
When I walk into a room, everybody know what it
is already, so sight somewhere in between you know what
I'm saying. It's just a restart for me, but to
be a fresh artist. Nah, they know what it is already.
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(12:17):
last year. Did you and the baby ever work out
whatever you guys had going on Internet? It was just
like some comments getting left.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was just you know, he was
mad in my comments.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I mean, I mean, at the end of the day,
the media, you're giving.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Your you were giving your opinion on how you felt
about certain ship. Yeah, you know, it is what it is.
People can feel it. I mean, I just had STG
walk out of an interview because I asked him about label.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
So I saw that, bro.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah you haven't walked out yet.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
No, No, you cool.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
You. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
You asked me weird.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Uh man, talk to me about just Chicago, bro, because
obviously you know there's been so much I mean, shit, man,
Derek has a headline and arena tour right now. I
was just there, oh in Chicago.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah, that's where I just came from.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Now I opened up. The first day was were you
there when the shooting had happened?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
And that was the day after the day You weren't.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
At that show?
Speaker 1 (13:14):
No, I wasn't there. Okay, the crew was there though,
some of the guys was there. Well, I went there, but.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
The first day was cool.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
I don't think it was no shooting though. I think
that's cap though.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
I don't know. I just know that there was this video.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I know, I know some folks was fighting and somebody
might have got cut or stabbed or something.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I don't think it was no shooting.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I just saw the video everyone running and then everyone
just grabbing merch. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, yeah, see it was a lot of that going
on because the show ended early. Yeah, so I think
the fans was upset for real or something was was
Kodak on that show?
Speaker 2 (13:45):
I don't know who was there? Who was there that day?
Speaker 3 (13:47):
I feel like kok on that you toured with Kodak? Right,
What was that like.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
With Kodak? Was fun?
Speaker 3 (13:55):
He seems like a fun Hay?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, he was cool. He was real cool.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Yeah. He seems like a a guy who I'd like
to have a beer with. That's it though, That's it.
None else. I don't know what else he was doing.
Meant just take the beer man.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
I was around Kodak when we was doing shows, you
know what I'm saying. He hopped on my tour bus
a few times. On the record, I had the little
portable studio with me set up. Yeah, so I recorded
a song fro him.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
What draft? Did draft? Like? The scarlet? A little scarlet like.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
I had to Apollo?
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I hit the Apollo arrow.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
We just vabbed the whole time. It was like forty
something shows.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
As I say, like from when you kind of popped
initially that now, how do you feel about like kind
of the state of Chicago hip hop?
Speaker 1 (14:43):
It's pretty cool. A lot of females is turning up
in our city right now. But it's cool right now.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
I had a young lady from Chicago here. Who was it?
We just had somebody here from Chicago.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
That's a girl who Melo? Now?
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Who the fuck was just Fendy? Yeah, she's great. Yeah,
she's a she's she's super cool. That's who's Mellow Mellow Racks.
Is she from?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Uh No, not Mellow Racks, Mellow Bucks?
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Okay, okay, because there's Mellow Racks.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
So I think Melo Racks from like Miami.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because she's on Y M C n B.
I think her. Are you doing any writing or have
you done any been doing any writing for any.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Other artists as recently?
Speaker 3 (15:33):
No? Is that ever like a bag you try to
get into?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't tapped in, you know,
once or twice maybe, you know, I don't. Gave a
few artists a few records. I gave Y g a
record for one of his past albums. Uh. I gave
a few other people some records. I can't really, you know,
say nothing.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
I can't say the White g One you could say, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Yeah, because it was just you know, it was cool.
He hit me one time like, yo, you a song
with one of my producers. I want it straight like that, like, yo,
I want it. I don't want to change nothing on
it or nothing. I just want to throw my verse
on it.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Keep it moving.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
And it's on the album Boom That's fire, and I'm like,
I'm with it.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
That's dope. Is it hard for you to find like
people who are willing to work with you now that
you're independent on the production side, that are just willing
to kind of like not work with you. But like,
like we were talking a little bit off the air,
like the biggest part about being independent is the headache
of like clear and shit. Yeah, yeah, you know what
I'm saying. So it's like it's almost like they might
still look at you like you got that RCA budget
(16:34):
behind Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
See, that's what I was saying, Like I don't think
I'm somewhere in between, because people still look at me
like that.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
You know what I'm saying, They like, yeah, we need
fifteen thousand.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
You know, this ain't RCA on my own.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
It's out of the pocket, you know what I'm saying.
They like, you know that's what it is.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
That's crazy. I feel like they're because I always hear
artists have certain rates, like even if you buy a
feature from somebody like the Homies would be like, hey,
I'm in I'm in Phoenix home town. Like I tell people,
if they're independent, this is the price, but if they're major,
this is the price. There's like the indie and the
major price. I feel like for beats, that should be
the same shit, right it should? Yeah, but or like
(17:12):
take a cut, take a nice cut, you know, like
let's collaborated.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
And then producers still won a couple points and all
that extra. So it's like, I don't know, man.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
You gotta get artificial intelligence to make you some bet.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
That's the thing.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I think AI can make beats. Isn't that happening?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
They can?
Speaker 3 (17:36):
It's not good. I heard one. I think I heard
of fake Timbaland beat that wasn't terrible.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
You don't think you don't think we're living in a
matrix bro.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
I've really started to think about it more recently with
some of the shit that's been happening, because I always
would be like, like, when you do you see like
the birds frozen in the air. There's like hundreds of
videos of just birds that just stopped flying and they're
just steal in the air.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
And they're not flapping the wings and now they're.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Just they're just in the they're just paused.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Bro, showing me the footage to hold on, bro, let
me show you, Bro. I want to see the footage
of that.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
This ship is crazy. This ship is crazy. Hold on,
you got the birds?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Is that real? Though? Like?
Speaker 3 (18:20):
God, hold on, look, birds got on the water? Yeah,
we got more water. We grab a water over there.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Let me see. Appreciate your brother.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
The ship it looks like a flash.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Bird man, get the fuck out of him.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
There strings doing nothing is the only one who saw it.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Hell, this ship is the fuck out of here is another.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
One fucking birds floating in the air, man, get the
fuck out of here.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
That shit looks real.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
People saying that it's dimensional glitches.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I don't know what that means.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
I do some research. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Well, then when you see the like did you see
the government official like saying that they're like aliens are real?
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah, yeah, I've seen that, So that it made me
even really be like you're seeing that, Like, what's really
going on right now?
Speaker 3 (19:30):
You know?
Speaker 2 (19:30):
I'll be on some other ship though. I already already
be thinking of some other shit going on.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
What do you think is going on?
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I just feel like she ain't the only ones walking
around this motherfucker like how we think we is.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
I think that's the facts for sure.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I think they're preparing us because.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I mean, if you Christian, if a lot of people
walk around say they Christian, I mean they mentioned a
lot of different creatures inside of that book we read,
so she I mean, what did they wipe out the
face of the earth. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
You know, so you think it might be some demon
shit going.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
On, No, some like entities you know, you know they
speak about giants all type of shit, yeah, for sure,
type of.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Non human beings.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Yeah, and shit that you'd be like, oh, this is like,
you know, some cool like fairy tale shit, you know, like.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah, well some of that ship might be for real,
who knows. I mean, I stayed the fuck out of
the way to give my money.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
If you look at some of the old school hieroglyphics
from like Egypt and ship, some of the ship in
those hieroglyphics is like, bro, they got to see this shit.
So I'm like, you know what I'm saying, like there
had to be some shit going on that like we
were weren't privy too, because motherfuckers wasn't.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
But I ain't gonna get that to aliens though. I
ain't gonna get that to aliens though.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
That right there, Well, what's in the hieroglyphics, like the
pictures of like like alien looking motherfuckers that were like carved.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Into like me.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I just feel like that was a different type of being.
It might be an alien to you because you don't
understand it, but.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
I guess aliens to us, right, non human? Yeah, I
mean it's kind of the definition.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
It's like, yeah, so you're.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Right, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right.
I was going to go into some other other shit.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
You're good, you got it, but they got like, you know,
fucking all this UFO. Like did you see what happened
in Las Vegas? There was this family in Las Vegas
that called the police because they said there was like
three like ten foot things in their backyard creatures right right,
and with that, and so the family, uh cia came,
the police came. The police saw the fucking thing. So
(21:31):
there's the cops bodycam footage being like, I just saw
that shit take off from your backyard, Like, am I crazy?
Am I not the only people who saw this? But
like some jeepus creepysh like some like some like a
like once the police got there, some like whatever craft
popped out of these people's backyard. So the cops were
like all talking about it, like we're not crazy, we
(21:51):
just saw that, right, And then for like the next month,
the uh there was black trucks that were just lying
up on their street for like an Then the family
was documenting it like on TikTok and shit. They're like, look,
there's more big SUVs outside of our house that have
been here all week.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Some done got out of Area fifty one.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Which is in Vegas. Well it's in Nevada. I used
to live there, so Area fifty one was wild. You
could drive up to like a certain point and.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Then there's some shit over there.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Oh for sure they have. They told me so. I
lived in Vegas for a few years. And you know
who Molly mall is bald producer, used to be on
Love and Hip Hop. He's made a lot of big beats. Yeah,
I think so he had a security guard, and the
security guard was a former like military decorated guy, right
(22:43):
like top knocked security guy. He was explaining to us
when he worked, because he said he worked at Area
fifty one as a contractor, and he said that they
had like other soldiers behind him who had higher clearance
than them, and they like, let's say, they brought him
into a room and they're like, hey, you gotta work
on this wall. But they were being held like I
(23:07):
guard the whole time, so they wouldn't walk anywhere else
in the area, you know what I'm saying. And he
said that while he was there, he saw like a
medal or like some sort of matter. No matter what
you did to it, if you if you blew it up,
if you shot it, if you bent it, if you
tore it apart, it always came back together to the same.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Uh form, some transforming ship.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Yeah, you know who poo Beer is, the writer poo Bear.
He wrote all justin Bieber Shit. Me and poo Bear
was just like we were just listening to this dude
one night at Molly Mall's crib, high as fun.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
What the fuck is going on? I can believe it?
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Though, shot my brother poo bear.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Man, I think I think ship like that exists.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Man, I just think, you know, they just let us do.
That's why I think they're easing us into some ship,
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on this new album? Do you have any features or
is it just you or it's just me?
Speaker 1 (26:10):
I like that it's just me. I think I just
I mean, I flooded myself with features.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
You know what I'm saying. It's time to just get
a world of me, you know, build on my fans.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
And it's important too because this is your first independent album.
So it's like, yeah, I'm a stand out on my
own for real exactly. I like that.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
That's where my mom comes from.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
When is the project coming? You gotta release itay yet.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Not an exact day, Give me a couple of weeks.
It's gonna be here.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
It's coming.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Tune a real song.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
How often do you plan on just dropping now that
you're like, you know, you ain't got the red tape,
the yellow tape around you from the label.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I mean I say every two months, it's not bad. Yeah,
I say every two months, I mean a.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Song or a project project.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
But I mean I'm gonna ever get them singles and
I always feed them.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Every too much dropping the project. I like that. Why
be independent if you ain't gonna do it the right way? Right? Yo?
It's crazy when you were at What's the Weirdest? Did
like because you always hear like when people are on
major labels, they get certain features that try to get
pushed onto them. They'll be like, hey, look we want
(27:17):
to get you in with this person, or hey, this
song is just it just just put a verse on
it and it's a hit. Did they try to do
that with you over there? They didn't.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Most of my features came from me, so.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
They never were like, hey try this nah nah.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Most of my well, all of my features came from me.
Just like reaching out to people.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
People who you fucked with.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Yeah, yeah, Gotti meet derk Alum. It's just like, yo,
hop on this for me.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, there's a.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
You know who Bob is. So back in the day,
like Atlantic Records had a hard time popping Bob off,
which was on their damn not him because he's extremely talented.
So at the time, Bruno Mars was shopping around all
these hooks because no one knew who he was. He
was just a writer. And uh, what was that first
Bob song? Was it Beautiful Girls? So that song go
(28:09):
beautiful Girl? What's it called nothing on You? Nothing on You?
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Yeah, called nothing on You? So Atlantic was just trying
to get somebody to take the song. Loupe Fiasco cut
on it and then didn't like it, so it should
have been loop a song he passed on it.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Why did he do that? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Igo Goat, by.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
The way, tweaked one.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Of the greatest rappers of all time for talking about
the straight lyricism. Uh, and then Bob ended up with it.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
I was gonna say, but yeah, I usually be hot
when I was young.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
For sure. What about the OG's in Chicago tapping in
with you? Like got a loopey type of dude or yeah,
obviously yay's the Goat you know?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Uh Yay? I mean I tapped in with ya.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Camp definitely tapped in with a lot of the other.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Local legends, crucial conflict individuals.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Like that L E. P Bumpy shot the bump Jay.
Yeah you about fucking uh? Do or Die?
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I ain't chopped it up.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Would you listen to growing up? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yeah, I still I still listen to do it died
to this day, I might be cleaning up the house.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Crucial Conflict slept on motherfucking groups ever facts the first
Crucial Conflict Awn, which you probably weren't alive for. It's
called the Final Tick.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Right when they come out what you I think that.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Was ninety five or six, yet it might have been
ninety six. They had a song called Hey show Down.
Yeah I was probably I was like ten. You weren't
born yet, though, but yeah, do or Die? Pope pimpin man,
what are we talking about? Have you, you know, Twists
out there doing gun classes. Yeah, he's like teaching people
like how to responsibly own weapons in Chicago to protect themselves,
(30:01):
so to take people and they do classes like how
to shoot, how to look, how to get your license.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Twist. Actually, my my og went to school with Twister.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
That was oh wow. The shout out to Twister man.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
She says he used to be in the back of
the bus rapping fastest. Yeah, fastest. Hell, they used to
be telling me nobody want to hear that ship all day.
Twist bro, slow that ship.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Down, ship the whole career later.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
One of them. All right.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Well look man, a new project on the way.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah, Unchained, Unchained.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Congrats on your independence. Uh we just also dropped the freestyles.
You go check that out separate YouTube video. Yeah, for sure,
appreciate you pulling up man, and I look forward to
to hearing the album I.
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's lit, it's a movie.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
Let's get it, yo, boutleg cab podcast. Man, we got
a special guest in here. Cowboys in the building.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
What's up, man, what's happening? What's happening.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
I'm chilling, brother. It's good to see you. It's been
a minute since. I been like five years since I
saw you. What have you been up to?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Working hard, working hard? Thank you? Smart, trying to maneuver,
get over obstacles.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yeah, I mean I saw you did lad like a
year ago, and I saw I mean because listen, you
have had one of the bigger records in the last
five years. Envy me was a moment? Was it triple platinum?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
It's five times now, five times platinum?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
My goodness, that's fire. That's gotta be a dope plaque. Like,
did you get the five times platinum plac yet?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
No?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
You gotta you gotta buy that one.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah, yeah, I'm on it. I'm gonna get I'll stopped
at three.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah like that.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Every time you get a new certification, I need to
get a new plaque. It's like Jesus right, But yeah,
I mean, I know you kind of went through it
with with with the label at the time because you
were with RCA M. Now you're fully independent, So congrats
to that. I always congratulate artists when they're independent because
I think it's the way to go.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Finally free type. Shit.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
What was the uphill battle for you with you know,
because from a fans perspective, a lot of people like,
we're having a cowboy, you know what I'm saying. So
what's been going on and what was kind of some
of the uh, you know, things you had to go
through with getting out of that deal and and trying
to move on and get this music out that you're
sitting on.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Well, I would say one of the bigger problems was like.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
The back end business, you know what I'm saying, Like
getting like different personalities to see out of eye things
like that to actually get the ball rolling. That was
very difficult in my situation, you know what I'm saying, in.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Terms of just like agreeing on what to put out,
agreeing on when to put it out.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah, So from a fan's perspective, it looks like cal
ain't working or he ain't he don't care about us type,
And then I kind of disappeared to them.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I mean that's what I was, like, what happened to cowboy?
My boy hit me? And I was like, oh, because
I remember you did Divide interview that went viral for
other reasons.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
It's just a lot of the bs behind closed doors
just slowed down, a consistency and the flow.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Yeah, because people don't understand, like when you're on a
major label, it is very much a mutual relationship. So
in their eyes, per your contract, if you turn a
body of work in and we released it, I owe
you money. Here's an advance for that album. Right, So
in their eyes, their perspective is, well, we got to
(02:44):
feel good about whatever this is. We got to agree
on if we feel strong about all these records, and
then that's when you know, or you know, you got
to catch a moment and force their hand almost right,
you know what I'm saying. So there is always that
gridlock on the major label side.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yeah, So that's what it was. Yeah, for sure, And
and I figured it out. I got up out of there.
Now we work.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Was it easy to get your obviously it wasn't easy
to get your release, But tell me about that process
of getting released off of.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
It took a couple of years.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yeah, took a little money, took a strong support system.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Did you have to buy yourself out?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Not necessarily, No, okay, but I had to just let
a lot of things go.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, if you get what.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
I mean in terms of, like some of your music
you recorded on their dime. Yeah, so it's like you
record music on their dime, you might not ever hear
that music. But do they still have the right Jesus sorry,
do they still have the right to release that music?
Or is it just like, hey, this is us, you
know what I'm saying, Like, you go do your thing.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, it's really it's really like that, I'm just doing
my own thing. They ain't really worried about the other music,
but I'm sure they would cause a hass if I
try to like.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Drop stuff on you. Yeah, no, that makes sense. I've
had friends of mine who's like been on major labels
and then they'll get with like a really big producer,
like let's just use an example, Timbaland or somebody right right,
and then they get off of the label, but they
still got all these unreleased songs with like these giant producers,
and they're like, ah, do I risk just throwing this
(04:24):
shit out there to see what happens, you know. I
mean it can work both ways. It could work out,
or it could be like, yeah, you get a cease
and assist.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Right now working on like all fresh music. You know
the energy that I'm in right now, how I feel
right now.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
So no, the new songs Dope. I watched the video
It's dope, Dope record Snap.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
For sure, that was one of the ones where I
was just feeling myself, you know what I'm saying. But
that's the start of it, unchanged, just explaining like what
I really went through for real.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yeah, well for people who don't know because I saw it.
I mean, you lost a lot of your personal friends.
I think you lost twelve friends in a year now
eight and two eight year eight friends in two years. Yeah,
so that's gotta be like.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Three of them was family members, a older cousin, a
younger cousin, and a cousin around my age.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
It's crazy because we hear that same story coming from
so many people from your city, right and it's like,
you know, ge Herbalt has a song called PTSD and
he talks a lot about like the mental strength you
have to have to be from where he's from, where
you're from, you know what I'm saying. And to deal
with so much loss and so much hurt, Like do
you ever feel like you had an opportunity to really mourn.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah, behind closed doors when you were by yourself, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
But you grow I mean numb to it. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
You get used to it. I wouldn't say numb to
it because you still care, but.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
No, but it's it's used to it. Yeah, you can get.
I mean, it's something you can get used to if
you get There's women out here who are getting cheated
on by the same guy for a decade who I know,
And I'm like, well, you're just used to it at
this point, like you don't even care anymore, Like you like,
shit happens to you and unfortunately, no matter how traumatic
it is, like you're kind of conditioned to deal with it.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
I always say it could be worse.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
That's what I mean. Everything could always be worse. So
do you ever feel like you have ever like consider
maybe hitting therapy, talking out some of your ship like that.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I tried that before. Oh you did. Yeah, like talking
to somebody all the time.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
It work a little bit, It's cool, Yeah, but I'd
rather just do music for real, like that is your therapy.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, that's what it is.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I love that this album you're about to release is
your first album as an independent artist, right, which is
a big deal. Yeah, this is a new space for
you to be who you are with already with a
five times platinum record, and now you're able to kind
of move freely. You're able to kind of call the
(07:01):
shot to do what you want to do. How does
it feel like it? Is it something there's got to
be like a cool just energy to that.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yeah, yeah, I feel free. I don't know why I
keep saying that, but that's what it feels like. Feel
like a waiter is off my shoulder.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
You know.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I get to see certain things, you know what I'm saying.
I get to move how I want to. I mean,
it's just a better positive energy all the way around,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
That's how I feel. You know what I'm excited for.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
I was gonna say, what would you say your was
your biggest For people who think you just disappeared, what
would you attribute that to the reason of that is it?
Is it the label thing or is it just like
what was? What was? What's the reason why we haven't
gotten a lot of music from you in the last
few years.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
It's a label thing. Yeah, it was a label thing,
bro for sure.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Is it hard to still stay motivated if you feel
like you're kind of like, no.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
I'm still living. You know, my two feet still move,
you know what I'm saying. So I mean I'm grateful
for that.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
And I can work and I can grind, I can
do what I want to do steal, So I love it.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I ain't tripping. I always stay motivated.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Uh your writing process? Are you the type of artist?
Because when I hear your ship, I feel like you
lay the melody first and then you go in and
feeling the lyrics. Is that what you do? No? Pen
straight like.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Stroud this out?
Speaker 3 (08:21):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
My homies be laughing at me because they'd be like,
what are you doing in there? He's just mumbling and
I'd be like, I'm just humming.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
And you know, trying to catch the vibe.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, And they come back five minutes later it's a
whole song. They're like, oh man, that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Is that quick five minutes, you're you're a beast.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah, yeah, I'll be going crazy.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
I mean you just told me I had like two
hundred unreleased songs.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
So yeah, I got a lot of release music.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I'm assuming that there's gonna be a whole lot of
pressure coming from you. H Do you look five years
is a long time from having a record that kind
of puts you on the forefront of hip hop for
a while, right, right? Do you feel like you have
to get any of those like because fans have a
short attention span extended I mean nowadays, man, I feel
(09:06):
like fans are extremely finicky. They're very fair weather fans,
Like they'll be fucking with you one day until the
next shit comes out.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
And right, and then that might be better or whatever
it is right for you.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
You kind of feel like you're a new artist all
over again, Like you got to kind of remind people
who you are and what you're in, what you're doing,
and like, you.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Know, I feel like that, Yeah, but every day I
get reminded why it's not that still.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
When I walk into a room, everybody know what it
is already, so sight somewhere in between you know what
I'm saying. It's just a restart for me, but to
be a fresh artist. Nah, they know what it is already.
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I was. I told you I saw that flat interview
(12:17):
last year. Did you and the baby ever work out
whatever you guys had going on Internet? It was just
like some comments getting left.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was just you know, he was
mad in my comments.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I mean, I mean, at the end of the day,
the media, you're giving.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Your you were giving your opinion on how you felt
about certain ship. Yeah, you know, it is what it is.
People can feel it. I mean, I just had STG
walk out of an interview because I asked him about label.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
So I saw that, bro.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah you haven't walked out yet.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
No, No, you cool.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
You. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
You asked me weird.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Uh man, talk to me about just Chicago, bro, because
obviously you know there's been so much I mean, shit, man,
Derek has a headline and arena tour right now. I
was just there, oh in Chicago.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah, that's where I just came from.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Now I opened up. The first day was were you
there when the shooting had happened?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
And that was the day after the day You weren't.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
At that show?
Speaker 1 (13:14):
No, I wasn't there. Okay, the crew was there though,
some of the guys was there. Well, I went there, but.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
The first day was cool.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
I don't think it was no shooting though. I think
that's cap though.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
I don't know. I just know that there was this video.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I know, I know some folks was fighting and somebody
might have got cut or stabbed or something.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I don't think it was no shooting.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I just saw the video everyone running and then everyone
just grabbing merch. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, yeah, see it was a lot of that going
on because the show ended early. Yeah, so I think
the fans was upset for real or something was was
Kodak on that show?
Speaker 2 (13:45):
I don't know who was there? Who was there that day?
Speaker 3 (13:47):
I feel like kok on that you toured with Kodak? Right,
What was that like.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
With Kodak? Was fun?
Speaker 3 (13:55):
He seems like a fun Hay?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, he was cool. He was real cool.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Yeah. He seems like a a guy who I'd like
to have a beer with. That's it though, That's it.
None else. I don't know what else he was doing.
Meant just take the beer man.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
I was around Kodak when we was doing shows, you
know what I'm saying. He hopped on my tour bus
a few times. On the record, I had the little
portable studio with me set up. Yeah, so I recorded
a song fro him.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
What draft? Did draft? Like? The scarlet? A little scarlet like.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
I had to Apollo?
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I hit the Apollo arrow.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
We just vabbed the whole time. It was like forty
something shows.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
As I say, like from when you kind of popped
initially that now, how do you feel about like kind
of the state of Chicago hip hop?
Speaker 1 (14:43):
It's pretty cool. A lot of females is turning up
in our city right now. But it's cool right now.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
I had a young lady from Chicago here. Who was it?
We just had somebody here from Chicago.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
That's a girl who Melo? Now?
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Who the fuck was just Fendy? Yeah, she's great. Yeah,
she's a she's she's super cool. That's who's Mellow Mellow Racks.
Is she from?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Uh No, not Mellow Racks, Mellow Bucks?
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Okay, okay, because there's Mellow Racks.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
So I think Melo Racks from like Miami.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because she's on Y M C n B.
I think her. Are you doing any writing or have
you done any been doing any writing for any.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Other artists as recently?
Speaker 3 (15:33):
No? Is that ever like a bag you try to
get into?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't tapped in, you know,
once or twice maybe, you know, I don't. Gave a
few artists a few records. I gave Y g a
record for one of his past albums. Uh. I gave
a few other people some records. I can't really, you know,
say nothing.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
I can't say the White g One you could say, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Yeah, because it was just you know, it was cool.
He hit me one time like, yo, you a song
with one of my producers. I want it straight like that, like, yo,
I want it. I don't want to change nothing on
it or nothing. I just want to throw my verse
on it.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Keep it moving.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
And it's on the album Boom That's fire, and I'm like,
I'm with it.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
That's dope. Is it hard for you to find like
people who are willing to work with you now that
you're independent on the production side, that are just willing
to kind of like not work with you. But like,
like we were talking a little bit off the air,
like the biggest part about being independent is the headache
of like clear and shit. Yeah, yeah, you know what
I'm saying. So it's like it's almost like they might
still look at you like you got that RCA budget
(16:34):
behind Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
See, that's what I was saying, Like I don't think
I'm somewhere in between, because people still look at me
like that.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
You know what I'm saying, They like, yeah, we need
fifteen thousand.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
You know, this ain't RCA on my own.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
It's out of the pocket, you know what I'm saying.
They like, you know that's what it is.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
That's crazy. I feel like they're because I always hear
artists have certain rates, like even if you buy a
feature from somebody like the Homies would be like, hey,
I'm in I'm in Phoenix home town. Like I tell people,
if they're independent, this is the price, but if they're major,
this is the price. There's like the indie and the
major price. I feel like for beats, that should be
the same shit, right it should? Yeah, but or like
(17:12):
take a cut, take a nice cut, you know, like
let's collaborated.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
And then producers still won a couple points and all
that extra. So it's like, I don't know, man.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
You gotta get artificial intelligence to make you some bet.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
That's the thing.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I think AI can make beats. Isn't that happening?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
They can?
Speaker 3 (17:36):
It's not good. I heard one. I think I heard
of fake Timbaland beat that wasn't terrible.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
You don't think you don't think we're living in a
matrix bro.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
I've really started to think about it more recently with
some of the shit that's been happening, because I always
would be like, like, when you do you see like
the birds frozen in the air. There's like hundreds of
videos of just birds that just stopped flying and they're
just steal in the air.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
And they're not flapping the wings and now they're.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Just they're just in the they're just paused.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Bro, showing me the footage to hold on, bro, let
me show you, Bro. I want to see the footage
of that.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
This ship is crazy. This ship is crazy. Hold on,
you got the birds?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Is that real? Though? Like?
Speaker 3 (18:20):
God, hold on, look, birds got on the water? Yeah,
we got more water. We grab a water over there.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Let me see. Appreciate your brother.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
The ship it looks like a flash.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Bird man, get the fuck out of him.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
There strings doing nothing is the only one who saw it.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Hell, this ship is the fuck out of here is another.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
One fucking birds floating in the air, man, get the
fuck out of here.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
That shit looks real.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
People saying that it's dimensional glitches.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I don't know what that means.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
I do some research. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Well, then when you see the like did you see
the government official like saying that they're like aliens are real?
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah, yeah, I've seen that, So that it made me
even really be like you're seeing that, Like, what's really
going on right now?
Speaker 3 (19:30):
You know?
Speaker 2 (19:30):
I'll be on some other ship though. I already already
be thinking of some other shit going on.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
What do you think is going on?
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I just feel like she ain't the only ones walking
around this motherfucker like how we think we is.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
I think that's the facts for sure.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I think they're preparing us because.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I mean, if you Christian, if a lot of people
walk around say they Christian, I mean they mentioned a
lot of different creatures inside of that book we read,
so she I mean, what did they wipe out the
face of the earth. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
You know, so you think it might be some demon
shit going.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
On, No, some like entities you know, you know they
speak about giants all type of shit, yeah, for sure,
type of.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Non human beings.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Yeah, and shit that you'd be like, oh, this is like,
you know, some cool like fairy tale shit, you know, like.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah, well some of that ship might be for real,
who knows. I mean, I stayed the fuck out of
the way to give my money.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
If you look at some of the old school hieroglyphics
from like Egypt and ship, some of the ship in
those hieroglyphics is like, bro, they got to see this shit.
So I'm like, you know what I'm saying, like there
had to be some shit going on that like we
were weren't privy too, because motherfuckers wasn't.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
But I ain't gonna get that to aliens though. I
ain't gonna get that to aliens though.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
That right there, Well, what's in the hieroglyphics, like the
pictures of like like alien looking motherfuckers that were like carved.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Into like me.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I just feel like that was a different type of being.
It might be an alien to you because you don't
understand it, but.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
I guess aliens to us, right, non human? Yeah, I
mean it's kind of the definition.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
It's like, yeah, so you're.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Right, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right.
I was going to go into some other other shit.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
You're good, you got it, but they got like, you know,
fucking all this UFO. Like did you see what happened
in Las Vegas? There was this family in Las Vegas
that called the police because they said there was like
three like ten foot things in their backyard creatures right right,
and with that, and so the family, uh cia came,
the police came. The police saw the fucking thing. So
(21:31):
there's the cops bodycam footage being like, I just saw
that shit take off from your backyard, Like, am I crazy?
Am I not the only people who saw this? But
like some jeepus creepysh like some like some like a
like once the police got there, some like whatever craft
popped out of these people's backyard. So the cops were
like all talking about it, like we're not crazy, we
(21:51):
just saw that, right, And then for like the next month,
the uh there was black trucks that were just lying
up on their street for like an Then the family
was documenting it like on TikTok and shit. They're like, look,
there's more big SUVs outside of our house that have
been here all week.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Some done got out of Area fifty one.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Which is in Vegas. Well it's in Nevada. I used
to live there, so Area fifty one was wild. You
could drive up to like a certain point and.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Then there's some shit over there.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Oh for sure they have. They told me so. I
lived in Vegas for a few years. And you know
who Molly mall is bald producer, used to be on
Love and Hip Hop. He's made a lot of big beats. Yeah,
I think so he had a security guard, and the
security guard was a former like military decorated guy, right
(22:43):
like top knocked security guy. He was explaining to us
when he worked, because he said he worked at Area
fifty one as a contractor, and he said that they
had like other soldiers behind him who had higher clearance
than them, and they like, let's say, they brought him
into a room and they're like, hey, you gotta work
on this wall. But they were being held like I
(23:07):
guard the whole time, so they wouldn't walk anywhere else
in the area, you know what I'm saying. And he
said that while he was there, he saw like a
medal or like some sort of matter. No matter what
you did to it, if you if you blew it up,
if you shot it, if you bent it, if you
tore it apart, it always came back together to the same.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Uh form, some transforming ship.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Yeah, you know who poo Beer is, the writer poo Bear.
He wrote all justin Bieber Shit. Me and poo Bear
was just like we were just listening to this dude
one night at Molly Mall's crib, high as fun.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
What the fuck is going on? I can believe it?
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Though, shot my brother poo bear.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Man, I think I think ship like that exists.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Man, I just think, you know, they just let us do.
That's why I think they're easing us into some ship,
because they got to kind of ease us in now.
It's like they just can't just out of nowhere, like yeah,
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on this new album? Do you have any features or
is it just you or it's just me?
Speaker 1 (26:10):
I like that it's just me. I think I just
I mean, I flooded myself with features.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
You know what I'm saying. It's time to just get
a world of me, you know, build on my fans.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
And it's important too because this is your first independent album.
So it's like, yeah, I'm a stand out on my
own for real exactly. I like that.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
That's where my mom comes from.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
When is the project coming? You gotta release itay yet.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Not an exact day, Give me a couple of weeks.
It's gonna be here.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
It's coming.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Tune a real song.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
How often do you plan on just dropping now that
you're like, you know, you ain't got the red tape,
the yellow tape around you from the label.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I mean I say every two months, it's not bad. Yeah,
I say every two months, I mean a.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Song or a project project.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
But I mean I'm gonna ever get them singles and
I always feed them.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Every too much dropping the project. I like that. Why
be independent if you ain't gonna do it the right way? Right? Yo?
It's crazy when you were at What's the Weirdest? Did
like because you always hear like when people are on
major labels, they get certain features that try to get
pushed onto them. They'll be like, hey, look we want
(27:17):
to get you in with this person, or hey, this
song is just it just just put a verse on
it and it's a hit. Did they try to do
that with you over there? They didn't.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Most of my features came from me, so.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
They never were like, hey try this nah nah.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Most of my well, all of my features came from me.
Just like reaching out to people.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
People who you fucked with.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Yeah, yeah, Gotti meet derk Alum. It's just like, yo,
hop on this for me.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, there's a.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
You know who Bob is. So back in the day,
like Atlantic Records had a hard time popping Bob off,
which was on their damn not him because he's extremely talented.
So at the time, Bruno Mars was shopping around all
these hooks because no one knew who he was. He
was just a writer. And uh, what was that first
Bob song? Was it Beautiful Girls? So that song go
(28:09):
beautiful Girl? What's it called nothing on You? Nothing on You?
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Yeah, called nothing on You? So Atlantic was just trying
to get somebody to take the song. Loupe Fiasco cut
on it and then didn't like it, so it should
have been loop a song he passed on it.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Why did he do that? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Igo Goat, by.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
The way, tweaked one.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Of the greatest rappers of all time for talking about
the straight lyricism. Uh, and then Bob ended up with it.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
I was gonna say, but yeah, I usually be hot
when I was young.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
For sure. What about the OG's in Chicago tapping in
with you? Like got a loopey type of dude or yeah,
obviously yay's the Goat you know?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Uh Yay? I mean I tapped in with ya.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Camp definitely tapped in with a lot of the other.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Local legends, crucial conflict individuals.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Like that L E. P Bumpy shot the bump Jay.
Yeah you about fucking uh? Do or Die?
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I ain't chopped it up.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Would you listen to growing up? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yeah, I still I still listen to do it died
to this day, I might be cleaning up the house.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Crucial Conflict slept on motherfucking groups ever facts the first
Crucial Conflict Awn, which you probably weren't alive for. It's
called the Final Tick.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Right when they come out what you I think that.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Was ninety five or six, yet it might have been
ninety six. They had a song called Hey show Down.
Yeah I was probably I was like ten. You weren't
born yet, though, but yeah, do or Die? Pope pimpin man,
what are we talking about? Have you, you know, Twists
out there doing gun classes. Yeah, he's like teaching people
like how to responsibly own weapons in Chicago to protect themselves,
(30:01):
so to take people and they do classes like how
to shoot, how to look, how to get your license.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Twist. Actually, my my og went to school with Twister.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
That was oh wow. The shout out to Twister man.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
She says he used to be in the back of
the bus rapping fastest. Yeah, fastest. Hell, they used to
be telling me nobody want to hear that ship all day.
Twist bro, slow that ship.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Down, ship the whole career later.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
One of them. All right.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Well look man, a new project on the way.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah, Unchained, Unchained.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Congrats on your independence. Uh we just also dropped the freestyles.
You go check that out separate YouTube video. Yeah, for sure,
appreciate you pulling up man, and I look forward to
to hearing the album I.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Love Brother Fire.
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!