How Bad is Madame Web?

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Hello, kitties. It's your old pal John Kucir,
the voice of the cryptkeeper,
and you're listening to
the bottom shelf.
Oh, crap. Oh, we're almost at the mid

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month marker.
Dallas.
Dallas.
What? I'm I'm reading assassination classroom. What do
you want? We gotta get we gotta we
gotta do another episode, man. We don't wanna
get down to only doing 1 in the
month again. We gotta grab something recent.
Recent.
Recent.
I have a Reese's. I don't have a

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Reese's.
Gosh. Everything's just amazing in theaters right now.
Oh, yeah. So good. What's what's that thing
in our cob labs over there?
We got this thing that says madam
madam
madam madam Webb?
Madam Webb? Supposed to be in the Spider
man universe?

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I sense a disturbance in the web. Did
someone say Spider Man?
Hey, buddy. Why are you blooping?
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Welcome, movie lovers, movie haters, and movie
apathetics.
To this is another episode of the bottom
shelf. Yay. And joining me today, as always,
my cap oh, captain, my captain, we have
Dallas
the muscle mora.
Hello. Nobody's ever called me the muscle. I

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feel I feel happy. I'm normally the fat
guy in the corner.
Well, and and then next to the fat
guy in the corner, we have
force ghost bam.
Hello.
I have returned.
Boogie. Boogie.
Spooky.
That's the wrong kind of ghost, isn't it?
That that's that's about as Halloween as we're
probably gonna get this month.

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There's spiders. That's Halloweeny.
Yeah. So we're we're doing something weird here
and not going with the obvious theme for
this month. We're doing our own little theme
for October. We're having spider month,
and,
kicking it off this month, we are doing
relatively
newish
schlock

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madam Webb. Yeah. Dallas,
can
you tell
us a little bit intro the movie for
us a little bit? Yeah. So let me
pull up the database here.
2024,
Sony had to release a Spider Man film
to keep their licensing.
They dug deep into the beloved Spider Verse
to bring to life madam Webb,
realizing that they were dealing with a beloved

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property with an abundance of established floor. They
hired Matt Zama,
the very man who struck gold with his
winning strategy of ignoring all the lore with
his movies,
Morbius and Power Rangers.
But then with the desire to make a
blockbuster movie proper,
the Phil somehow

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unique,
different,
ungod.
They hired S. J. Clarkson, who directed 30
TV series and
1 TV
movie. That's
winning strategies,
starring Dakota,
Johnson who,
had about 50 shades of emotions that were

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indistinguishable.
Quite talented. A confused Sydney Sweeney,
Isabelle Mercedes or Mercied,
who was still wondering where Swiper was, Celeste
O'Connor, who was looking for a proton pack,
and Tahar Rahim, who didn't realize they were
actually filming all of his read throughs, not
his actual acting
scenes. And it was just an awkward situation.

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Yeah.
You you've got me looking forward to this.
Oh gosh.
Well,
bam.
Maybe you can read the back of the
box and try to sell me on it.
Okay. I'll do my best. Let's see here.
Madame Web tells the standalone origin story of
1 Marvel Publishing's most enigmatic heroines.

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The suspense driven thriller stars Dakota Johnson as
Cassandra Webb, a paramedic in Manhattan who may
have clairvoyant abilities.
Forced to confront revelations about her past, she
forges a relationship with 3 young women destined
for powerful futures if they can all survive
a deadly present.
Did somebody say something about presents? I love
presents.

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It this movie is a gift
to who?
Is there a term problem?
But I I haven't watched it yet.
Let's let's let's talk trivia. Okay? Maybe I
can sell myself if I just access our
Internet movie databases.
Okay. It says here that

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this movie is unusual from car, Marvel Comics
related movies as apparently, there is no
post credit
scene for this movie,
so
we don't have to sit through the trailer
the credits at least. Right? Oh, good. Because
I really have to pee already.
I'm not necessarily heartbroken over that. I mean,

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that that that thing's gotten old.
This is actually Dakota Johnson's first Marvel film,
though she's admitted in interviews that she has
never seen a Marvel film except for a
quarter of one of them. And when asked
to name the past 3 Spider Man films,
she was unable to name any of them
correctly, listing them as follows.

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Spider Man, here he comes.
Spider Man, and he's back.
And then the goblet of Spider Man.
This is this is
giving me hope.
This is a new hope?
I'm actually interested in those.
This is the
first
Marvel movie based on a character that did

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not have their own self titled comic series,
And then apparently, Sony
had plans for either Andrew Garfield or Tom
Holland to appear as Spider Man,
but ultimately cut all references to Spider Man
from the final version of this film.
Interesting.
I have thoughts.

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Great. Take.
The live action of debut this is the
live action debut of Spider Man related characters
Cassandra Webb,
Julia Carpenter, Anya Corazon, and Mattie Franklin, and
Ezekiel
Sims. All of the women, except for Webb,
have taken the mantle of Spider Woman,

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which is more famously held by Jessica Drew.
So that's something.
This is this movie is loosely based on
the book of Ezekiel
storyline from the amazing Spiderman number 506
through 508.
And according to Adam,
Marons, the filmmakers set the film in 2003

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so they could feature Britney Spears, Toxic,
an inclusion taken by the skin of their
teeth.
Toxic was not published as a single until
January 12, 2004. However,
Britney Spears' album, In the Zone, was published
on November 15,
2003.
So literally, they set this film in 2003

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so they could feature a
20 year old Britney Spears song in November.
I
I'm feeling more hulk ish than Spider Man
ish after you're reading that trivia.
Yeah. I was hoping that it might possibly
sell me on this movie, but,
like, let let let let's go into expectations
because Do you wanna do that or do

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you wanna do community outreach first?
Let's do community outreach because
I have thoughts not for my expectations. Let's
let's hit that outreach.
Are we gonna go round robin, or are
we gonna have someone just read them off?
Let's let's do round robin. Sure. So, I
will read, my dude, Jonathan Gilbert,
who was on our Mortal Kombat episode, by
the way, folks. Go check that out. Both

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of them, if I remember correctly. Right, John?
I believe so. Yeah.
Madame Web is one of those
overhyped
movies
that had a chance to launch a franchise,
and they just threw it away.
The acting was lackluster. And oftentimes,
Dakota Johnson's performance felt more like a table
read

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than a full production movie. The writing reminded
me of an eighties b horror movie where
everyone knows the killer is looking for them,
but they make themselves both visible
and vulnerable. The dinner scene,
comes to mind for that trope.
Over the entire movie felt overall, the entire
movie felt like it was rushed or like

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the nineties Fantastic 4 movie,
it was done
to keep licensing rights with Sony. Except unlike
the nineties Fantastic 4, Madame Web was actually
released.
In my opinion, the bottom shelf movie, it's
a bottom shelf movie,
mainly to be viewed by film students to

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learn how to not make a movie, in
particular, a superhero movie. Based on what I've
heard so far, I think I'd prefer the
Nunavies Fantastic 4 movie.
You know, I
I've never been into Fantastic 4, so I
have 0 dogs in that fight. Oh, it's
fantastic.
I'm sure.
Just like the other 2 that I'm aware
of. Or are there 3 that I know?

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Well, that goes to show you how interested
I am. Well, here's one from,
a friend of the show,
John Frutiger.
I do. Says it most certainly was a
movie. It's been.
It's spit in the face of a ton
of established lore in order to fit as
many characters as possible and tried to turn

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it from a suspend turn it into a
suspense thriller that kept hinting at action, but
never delivered.
If you know the lore of the characters,
then you see it, and you're
severely underwhelmed.
If you don't know the lore of the
characters and you see it, then you're really
confused.
The plot and tie ins are completely incomprehensible
for most people.

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Since I'm a fan of the movies that
do that sort of time jump well,
I was able to follow the disjointed logic,
but I know that the big sticking point
that was a big sticking point for a
lot of people.
And then he mentioned some,
some spoilers to this, which I'm a read.
So,

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it hinted at characters getting their getting their
powers and being in a formidable force that
never actually
that but they never actually get them in
the movie, and you never see this come
to fruition.
There is not a single legitimate fight seen
in the entire film, and because you all
you have are flashes and hints of what
will happen in the future, you never get
any you never get a good look at

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them suited up in their heroic grandness for
any period long enough to admire it. Conclusion,
it's a superhero movie in the same way
that Unbreakable was a superhero movie, but with
a worse plot.
I'm trying to figure out if that means
that John doesn't like
that movie. Well, Unbreakable
was
it was essentially supposed to be

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only the first act of the story. Like,
in my Shalomand said specifically, he he he
wanted to
do, like, just the first act. Like, up
to where he the hero becomes the hero,
and then he wanted to stop the story
there because he really wanted to focus on
the And I really wish he would have
done that instead of making 2 more movies.

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But
That's not true. I I I don't own
the other 2 movies. I only have Unbreakable.
I stopped it. I didn't even like Unbreakable.
So I loved it. If I remember correctly,
I think John saw Unbreakable with me when
we were kids, and I'm pretty sure he
enjoyed it back then too. Yeah. But I
I I I think I understand what he's
saying is that based on what he's

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talking here, you see them suited up, but
they never actually do anything. Oh, they're trying
to be unbreakable, but couldn't pull it off.
Yeah. I think that's what he's saying.
John, if that's not what you're saying, correct
us.
Alright.
Alright.
Dale
spoke up and says, does it come in
50 shades? But No. I hadn't seen it.

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Can't help you on this one.
Alright.
Our boy, Drake Tungsten,
d Tungsten says,
I've not seen it, but I've heard it's
really dumb. They made Sydney Sweeney look kind
of frumpy. Okay. And we got a few
we got a few notes here from
people in the geeks under grace,

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crew.
We're not naming names for them for reasons.
So first one says, love the cast, love
the setup, never seen the 3rd act falls
fall apart so bad.
None of the vision comes true. Alright. From
another member, forgettable, but not the worst movie.
And then,

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from another one. I think you copied that
same comment twice, bro. So what?
Looking on the looking on the comments here,
it looks like that last one is the
same as the one that I just read.
Oh, true story. Well, never mind. What's the
Or is it a vision of the future?
Or
is Dallas I just had a really weird
case of deja vu. Or is Dallas just

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really terrible at paste and copy?
No. I we purposely aren't necessarily named name.
There was a lot of people in the
GUG community who gave us stuff, and so
I I'd feel bad about naming names if
we're not gonna name every person and read
everyone their comments. But this is, like, these
2 these the the 3 I had chosen,
but these 2 specifically also they summarize basically
what everyone was saying about it in the

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GUG community.
Shout out to our friends at Geek Under
Grace, by the way. Love those guys.
Good friends of mine.
So Alright. Let's go with our lowered
expectations.
Dallas, you can go first. My expectation
is,
I want to enjoy it.
I have a tendency to see movies that

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are terrible and go, oh, that wasn't bad.
And so that's what I'm hoping to do
because,
I like I like the idea of playing
with characters that aren't Spider man. Don't get
me wrong. Branson, don't be offended.
Peter's cool, but,
there's a lot out there, and I love

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the Spider verse movies,
but they are pretty much focused around they're
they're they're they're basically Miles Morales,
movies.
And so I'm excited to see other characters
highlighted
in a major way. And I'm hoping,
if nothing else, this is like some other
movies we talked about in the past where
it's like, you know, if you remove the

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name,
it's not a terrible movie. You know what
I'm saying? Like, Dragon Ball Evolution. You remove
Dragon Ball. It's it's an okay sci fi
flick,
martial arts flick. You remove Mario Brothers. Okay.
You got a dystopian sci fi flick. It's
it's fun to go with. So that's what
I'm hoping for. Bam, being as you're the
spider expert here, why don't you go next?

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I've not seen this movie before
watching for the show.
Heard a lot about it. Had every intention
of seeing it when I saw the trailer,
and then for whatever reason, I never got
around to actually seeing it and then the
reviews came out. And
I readily admit I've got kind of a
biased against it for a couple of reasons.

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1,
I don't
I don't like the idea
of trying to build a universe of movies
centered around Spider Man, but never actually including
Spider Man. Spider Man doesn't have to be
the focus of every movie in the universe,
but to just
not mention him at all. And I think
I said this when we covered Venom, is,

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you know, the Spider man is a main
part of Venom's backstory. So to see tell
the story without Spider man, it just feels
odd. And I'm afraid this is gonna be
the same thing. We're gonna see a whole
bunch of Spider man references, but no Spider
man, and it's gonna be weird. Secondly,
the
arguing and yelling back and forth. I saw
comments everywhere from this was the most amazing

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movie ever to this was an
waste of money. And, basically, the two sides
were arguing with each other saying, if you
hate this movie, you're part of the problem,
or if you love this movie,
you're just pandering.
So
there's just a lot of stuff surrounding it.
I'm gonna do my best

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to go in with a blank slate and
appreciate it for what it is, but I
don't have high hopes.
And as far as myself,
I will say this. There is a man
who is very important to me, who was
directly responsible for me wanting to become a
podcaster.
His name is Ben Avery, or whom I
lovingly refer to as Ben Ben. I have

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only seen Ben Ben mad twice in my
life,
up up until and
the very first time
was on
the strangers and aliens podcast that he does
where he reviewed this movie.
I prior to him reviewing that movie, I
was unaware that Ben Ben could actually

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get mad. And, boy, was he mad. So
I don't know that I can go in
completely unbiased. I certainly can try,
but
I I don't have high hopes.
I'll put it like that.
As we go into the mood there, when
you have the song. We got high hopes.

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I
don't. I don't know. But slow it down
and put it in a minor key.
We
have
high hopes.
We're dragging our feet, and I don't know
how to watch this movie.
I don't I don't I don't know how
long Bam's force ghost is gonna last. So

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let's let's
hit the theater.
Dear listeners,
this is your opportunity to escape. Our crew
has just entered into the media projection chamber.
What horrors and madness that they consume are
unknown.
Their mental state upon their return is unknown.
You have been warned.

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This is the part where I wake up
and realize that the past
2 hours was a dream, and I can
prevent all of that now. Ready?
Go.
Welcome, everybody, to this week's episode of the
bot. No. Wait.
Alright.
That was a movie.

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Man, that's true.
Man, that was true. Man, it was People
people people people people
people paid money to make that. It was
it was exciting, and
there was movement.
It was just it was a rush, guys.
Dallas sounds like an ASM Miller.
He sounds like Bob Ross.

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So much that happened.
Happy accents of Here here's here here we're
gonna put a happy little plot hole,
and then
It's okay. There's no such thing as mistakes.
We call them happy accidents.
Yeah.
No. This movie was a mistake. I I'm
telegraphing.
Alright. Let's let's

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maybe let's let's talk about this movie. Let's
we this this needs to be discussed. Let's
let's go spoiler free.
If anybody wants to just dive in spoiler
free, feel free to I have a spoiler
free thing. So just so everybody knows, the
budget was 8 $80,000,000
for this
piece of Oh, my gosh. Cinematic masterpiece. It

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any better.
And it made opening weekend
$15,000,000.
Wow. Isn't that amazing? Oof. It's special. Real
special. I'm sure there was a lot of
happy little fires. Executives.
Oh my gosh. I I'll I'll I'll I'll
have a something legitimate. I I appreciate it

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some of it.
Watching it, it was kinda oddly surreal at
times because it kinda felt like 2,003.
Like I can dig that. Like, as it
drove like, they drove past, like, the blockbuster
and then the music, and it was like
and it's it's one of those things where
it's a film that takes place in time
and but it doesn't feel awkward. Like, it

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feels very natural to me because that's you
know, that was my predominant teenage years right
there. I was graduating high school and stuff
like that. Whereas, there's some films I watch
that they take place in 2003
because they were made in 2003, and they
feel very strangely out of place.
Like, it's like like, you guys are what
I'm talking about. Like, you watch movies, you're
like, they're modern day, but they're all, like,
high end fashion, specialized clothing. Like, everything looked

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very, like no. I people actually wore that.
Like Yeah. That's the thing that people forget
about is, like, when you watch movies, they're
not nobody's wearing clothes that people actually wear.
They're wearing, like, high end fashion, somebody's get
paid to do some stuff. They make fun
of, there's a there's a thing called the
Disney look where you have these Disney characters
in, like, on, like, Disney TV and the

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live action shows, and they're wearing these ridiculous
outfits.
And everyone's like, why are they wearing that?
And it's
no girl or young man wears those clothing
at all. And in modern movies, that's how
it is. But this, like, this felt like
real life in some fashion. There's some stuff
that was exaggerated,
obviously,
but some a lot of it was like,

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yeah. Okay. I remember seeing dudes wear that
or girls wear that or I remember seeing
these things take place.
I can give a little spoiler free thought
about this movie too.
I think it wasn't in my trivia, but
I'm almost for certain that Madame Web probably
wasn't the original title for this movie.

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I I have the script right here, actually,
and it was originally titled,
Pepsi Product Placement, the movie.
That's fair. That's fair. Because boy, howdy
was Pepsi featured in this movie?
I think
there I will put it like this. There
are more Pepsi product placements in this movie

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than there are fight scenes.
Do with that, which you will. That's true.
I felt like this movie
I
I I've spoken with a lot of writers,
and
a piece of advice that they've all given
me is that you have to recognize that
your first draft
of whatever it is you're that you're writing,

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whether it's a novel, a comic book, a
movie,
whatever. Your first draft is always gonna be
your worst draft. It's your suckiest draft. Don't
try to make it perfect, just vomit on
the page and get it out there. Don't
because it's gonna be your worst draft. I
felt like this movie was somebody's first draft
of a script,

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and they just didn't go back and fix
it. I have I have the I have
I have it right now, Brent. Since it's
right here. Yes. Alright. You know the the
conspiracy murder boards
where there's, like, there's pictures everywhere, and they're
putting, like, strings. They're making, like, a way
of a conspiracy.
Yeah. Literally, that's all this was. It was,
like, just a web of conspiracies.

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And, like, somebody take a picture of this
and then film it in this order. Yeah.
Well, I was just about to I was
just about to back
take take what Bam was saying and take
it a step back and saying it feels
like this the script of this movie felt
like it was
actually shot by outline, and they just told
the characters,
just say something that makes sense for this

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this part of the outline.
That would work too. Yeah.
It was and It's like there was no
cleanup in post.
No.
And
it was like this, it was like it
was it was written by committee,
and
it was all people who don't who didn't
understand how teenagers act. Yeah. Because I you

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know, it's not a spoiler,
but I can guarantee you teenagers
would not stand up on top of a
table
in a diner
to dance to Britney Spears.
And if they did
if they did, they wouldn't be up there
for very long. I I wanna I wanted
to give you that.
I knew some who did,

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but they would not be allowed to do
it for very long.
Right. The fact they got away with it
as long as they did was was unrealistic.
Yes. But is that a spoiler? I don't
know what's happening. I don't think that's I
don't think that's a spoiler. It doesn't give
away anything. I wouldn't say this. I don't
think you're wrong about that.
The talking about something completely different. There's this

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anime called ghost stories that is famous
because it's dubbed
terribly on purpose because people were like, nobody's
gonna check, and so they just made up
things.
And it's
it's it's
wow. Like, there's some stuff that is just
so,
what's the word I'm looking for? Unhinged

(25:47):
that they say in this in this thing.
You're like, what?
Because they're like, nobody's gonna care. And it
some of the writing yeah. It kinda feels
like they're, like, 4 words.
Say this.
I
and so many of the reactions
did not seem
it was almost like someone said, okay. We

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really need this to happen in the movie,
so
say something to make it happen. Instead of,
let's figure out how to make this feel
natural. Let's try to figure out how to
make this feel organic.
Characters were constantly making decisions that were not
in character
for the characters they were playing.
It was
writing wise, it was a hot mess. It

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was an absolute hot mess.
Yeah. I'd love to be more specific, but
we got to wait for I will say
acting was not great in this movie either.
There was a lot of times that
the acting felt really stilted,
and
the
the majority of the villains lines were done
in ADR.

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Yeah.
And the ADR didn't always match up with
his mouth. I guess that let's say it
felt that way several times.
So just black stars all around, I guess.
I don't I
I don't know what the opposite of a
gold star is, but it's just like,
no.
Just feel the energy of the room here.

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Like, all 3 of us are just like,
it's like, normally, I try. Normally, I try
to mask my opinion about a movie until
we get to the ratings, but I don't
know that I can for the I I
I'll try, but I I think I might
have given it away. Let's,
I was gonna make a song reference, but
let's go ahead and jump to the,
spoiler section.

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Give it away.
Ladies and gentlemen,
the spoiler section.
Having been a teenager who has been assaulted
by people with weapons,
I can 100%
tell you that no teenager is going to
leave a point of safety after the fact

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to go get something to eat. True that.
That whole interaction with those girls
in and Cassie was so weird.
They were, like, they were they're playing over
top that idea of, like, I don't even
know what you call it. Like, the the
brat
persona
of we're gonna do this, and we're gonna

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have fun. And and and here's the deal.
So laying things out there, I wrote a
lot of our our pre show stuff at
the beginning of where we talked about where
I was, like, describing the stuff. The direct
the lady who directed it, and this is
gonna I I'm getting to the point. All
she's ever done was direct television,
shows in a singular
TV movie. That's it. And I'm all for

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giving people a opportunity to to do stuff
and grow and and make something happen. But
the entirety of this movie,
including the way those girls were acting,
what you're what you're talking about just now,
John, feels like it came from
a CW
TV show. I was thinking Saved by the
Bell, but I could see that. I mean,
the especially the ending. Holy crap. The ending

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felt like the outro credits of dadgum birds
of prey, if any of me remembers that
series.
And I hate it because
there's so much freaking potential
with these ladies.
Like, so
much potential with the the characters that they
have here.
And, again, I I legitimately do not know
most of these young ladies. I've seen Celeste

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O'Connor, and I like her. She was fun
in in Ghostbusters.
I don't know the other ones. I have
no desire to watch 50 shades of gray.
So
sorry, lady, but there's so much here that
they could've done with. And then we get
kept teasing all these things like, yes. Give
me this. Let's see this here. And they're
like, no.

(29:39):
In the in what you're you're tapping on
a thought that I had that
all the bad guys vision of the future
look like a better movie than the one
we watched. It's just like Yeah. Seeing the
3 girls work together as a as a
spider woman team, it's like, I wanna watch
that movie. Why am I watching this? Even
even that vision,
why are they trying to kill him? Like,

(29:59):
that that did more to paint them as
the villains of this movie. Like, at that
point of the movie, I was like, I
kinda get why he's trying to find them.
Because they just randomly show up in his
apartment and kill him one day. He says,
though, in, like, in in a in a
just quickly
while he's seducing
the director of the FBI, something. I don't
know what she is. And he's like, he

(30:20):
goes Inspector McGuffin. They're they're after him because
of what he becomes later. And so we
that that's their way of going. This is
how terrible of an individual I am, but,
like, we don't know what he does.
Right.
And and and this is doubly
this is doubly
frustrating for me. And and when,
John was read reading the,

(30:40):
the trivia about how this was based on
Ezekiel Sims, Dallas saw me lose my crap
a little bit. I read the amazing Spider
Man comic where they introduced Ezekiel Sims as
a character.
Yes. That whole story
is all about
a a a self sacrifice thing. Like, he
is a guy who has spent his life
he's not a villain. He's not a bad

(31:00):
guy. He's just selfish.
And
in that comic arc,
he literally
gives sacrifices himself to save Peter. Like, there's
this character named Morland who
absorbs
powers from,
totemic
superheroes who who have animals as their symbols.

(31:21):
And Peter and Ezekiel get in a fight
with Morland, and Ezekiel flat out like, he
spends most of the ark saying, I don't
get involved. I, you know, I I use
my money to protect myself. And at the
very end, he jumps in and
get gives his life to save Peter. So
the fact alone that they've made him the
villain of this movie is a little bit

(31:41):
offensive to start with because when I was
first introduced to the character,
he was a hero. A reluctant hero, but
a hero nonetheless.
And Sort of a Tony Stark sort of
character.
Yeah. Yeah. Like like, I don't wanna get
involved. I don't wanna bother anything.
But then he
becomes that hero later. And so to see
him as the villain like, I I stopped

(32:02):
referring to him as Ezekiel. I I just
this is somewhat different because
that's not
Ezekiel Sims. That that's that's just go read
the comic if you wanna know what what
Ezekiel Sims is supposed to be. That might
be the next episode on Spider Man. Seriously,
I might go review
that comic just to fix what Adam Webb
has done.

(32:24):
Oh my gosh.
That's wild. Absolutely wild.
Yeah. Pepsi.
Yeah.
I didn't see Cherry Pepsi, though. That would
have made it better if they have shown
Cherry Pepsi somewhere. Did that exist in 2003?
Oh, yeah, bro. Come on, man. Pepsi Cherry
Pepsi has been around all ever as long

(32:45):
as I've been alive, at least. Yeah. Although
back in the eighties, they called it wild
cherry because Yeah. Because it's wild, man.
I'm more of a Doctor Pepper guy myself.
Yeah. I like Doctor Pepper. I pretty much
don't drink anything with caffeine in it anymore,
so I'm not any kind of caffeinated soda

(33:05):
guy. I used to drink the best out
of Mountain Dew.
Like, Mountain Dew was my drink. That was.
Oh, I did too until my anxiety set
in. Hey, welcome to the Cola talk. Today,
we're talking to our favorite Cola drinks from
the eighties nineties and beyond. And it's still
more interesting than this than this movie.
Do you remember Serge? I remember Serge. I

(33:27):
remember that. It came back, bro. It tried.
I had one and I'm like, yep, that
tasted like the nineties. And Can we talk
about the fact that they've replaced the name
for Sierra Mist? And for some reason, it
tastes different now? It it tastes the same
to me, but you know why they changed
the name. Right? Yeah. There was some, like,
they were doing a cease and desist on

(33:48):
a lady whose name was Sierra Mist. Right.
And they were trying to take over her
socials because that was her name. Yeah. So
she sued them. She was she was bad
for their brand.
So she sued them. Yeah. And so that's
awesome. It's is it starry now? Yeah. Yeah.
Starry bits? But it it tastes different to

(34:08):
me, though. Oh, it's it's I think it's,
psychosomatic,
my dude, because It took a Sierra Mist
was was was is a staple. Sierra Mist
and Mountain Dew Code Red, those were my
drinks I had on my lunch breaks at
Hollywood video. I did like Code Red. Code
Red was good. Yeah. Yeah.
So we're talking about the movies. I was
about to say the fact the fact that

(34:29):
we just spent probably about 5 minutes talking
about soda instead of this movie should speak
volume.
Like, oh, my. This movie
for for as for as much flash and
bang as there was in this movie. And
there was there was a lot of visual
effect flash in this movie.
It's a pretty forgettable movie.

(34:49):
It
it tries to. I agree with Froediger in
that it tries to cram too much into
this movie, and as a result,
nothing comes out of it. I think that
might be 90% of the problem is they
just try and they they they have a
problem with doing this with,
Spider Man properties, and Sony,
specifically, is cramming so much in. Celeste and
I,

(35:10):
Celeste is gonna be on the show originally,
but she, couldn't be stay up this late.
But we were talking about it, and it
would have been so much better if they
had just not included the girls at all.
Had just been Cassie,
kinda learning
what the crap is happening, taking the trip
to Peru,
dealing with the the the jungle Spider Man
people,
and even having Ezekiel chasing. I'm okay if

(35:31):
Ezekiel being a bad guy if they just
make him
interesting. And,
like, he'll he's chasing
her for whatever reason
and
end it there with a vision of the
future.
But the way they did this whole thing,
like, I like, because the way it started,
I'll be okay. We're gonna play by the
typical,

(35:52):
you know, time future rules. And what's gonna
happen is that Ezekiel's gonna, quote, unquote, die,
but we're gonna see that he didn't die,
and that's why the girls are attacking him
later. That's gonna be the there's no reason
for them to have powers.
It's not even addressed. Do anything.
It's not even addressed. And I could I
could I could understand
the

(36:13):
because she has future telling powers, make her
the protector of of of somebody.
But I think the story would have worked
better if with that vein, if they had
dropped it to just 1 girl.
Choose one of the future Spider Woman, and
then
let let the only time you see her
in a suit is when I was about
to call her Jessica.

(36:33):
Cassandra. When Cassandra
has a vision of the future, she knows
what the single girl becomes. And I think
you could have made it work with any
of the girls, honestly.
Or just take one movie about the 3,
the team of the 3 going after the
dude. Yeah, that would have been a fun
movie.
Yeah, that would have worked too. It's it's

(36:54):
almost like
they picked the worst possible part of the
story to tell. You know?
I just had that just gave me a
thought. I thought about that part in the
Bible where David's being pursued by Paul and
then David cuts off a piece of Paul's

(37:14):
garments, not Paul, Saul's garments
in the table. He's taken a dump in
the cave. Yeah. Like, this movie is just
a big focus on Saul taking a dump.
Yes. To put it in perspective, yes, it's
a part of a much better and more
meaningful narrative. But just because it's part of

(37:35):
it doesn't mean that it's gonna hold up
on its own. Right? Yeah. Well, it's a
lot. Sorry. Go on, Ritzel. I was just
gonna say, my my first exposure to Madame
Web was actually the nineties cartoon. Spider Man
Heck yes. Spider Man nineties cartoon. That's the
first time I ever knew that Madame Web
was even a character.
And so I have a very specific idea
in my head of what Madame Web is
supposed to look like, what she's supposed to

(37:56):
be capable of, and
this ain't it.
This ain't it.
You know, the the fact that she can
see the future, I think that her blindness
should have been a bigger part of the
story. What if what if the reason she
starts having visions of the future,
what triggers that power is that she goes
blind.
This is something that Celeste asked us. Why

(38:17):
were her powers so, like, absolutely nonexistent
until this point of the movie? Like, she's
clearly a woman in her thirties or something
like that. Maybe close to 40 something years
old. She's clearly an older woman.
Why is her powers just now kicking in?
Because she died. No. They started kicking in
before that. Oh, yeah. They were working before.
No. They didn't. Yes. Oh, they did. Yeah.

(38:40):
They did. They started right when oh. Well,
I can't help you. I've I forgot that
she had her first premonition before she died.
It would have been great if, it's weird.
It would have been great if she died
first. But, no, like, it would have made
more sense if she had died first, and
then Mhmm. It triggered something. Like, it was,
like, one of, like, the venom still in
her body and it healed her and also
unlocked some stuff in her when it healed

(39:00):
her. But it just didn't make sense. Like,
there's not a lot of thought in some
of the stuff. And I I Right. Like,
there's so much lost opportunity
here. They could have done great stuff with
all this.
Sony could've done taken this store the the
just this whole world they're building here and
ran and done some amazing stuff outside of

(39:21):
Marvel proper as a whole. Yep. Disney would
not have gotten a fraction of the money,
and it would have been amazing.
But it and here's the deal. This is
I heard somebody explain this. Sony has to
do put out a Spider man based movie
every so every so often in order to
keep the licensing.
And, basically, what it was is this movie
was there. Oh, quick. Throw out a script

(39:43):
because we are about to lose all the
spider money. It's the same thing they do
with Morbius. They just Yeah. There's something out
there. Yeah. And with crazy layers That's pretty
par for the course. That's the reason why
we got those, I guess, 3
terrible
Fantastic 4 movies is because they were trying
to hang on to that license.
Mhmm. Does some of the Fantaspor?

(40:04):
No. That was a 20th Century Fox. Somebody
outside of
Marvel.
But, yeah, that that's the reason why.
Too. So yeah. I'd
and I get that
as a business decision, why?
But they're they're playing with characters that see,
that's that's the thing about the the quarter
of the Marvel Universe that is specific to

(40:25):
Spider Man.
It is so vast on its own that
you actually could have an entire universe of
stories
that have nothing to do with the rest
of Marvel. Kind of like Batman and DC.
Right. Batman's universe is so fleshed out that
you could have a whole,
universe of stories. A whole TV show about

(40:46):
Gotham that doesn't feature
Batman at all.
So it's it's not that they're hurting for
characters. They they're they're they've got plenty of
characters to play with. Mhmm. But it
and I get the the the business side
of it, but I almost wish what I
wish they could do
is and I had thought about this way

(41:06):
back when when they were first wrapping up
things with with Marvel.
Let them have a movie
where
Peter Parker and Miles Morales
finally meet, and they do their Spider Verse
thing, and then
let Miles Morales become the official Spider Man
of the MCU.
Let Peter Parker become the official Spider Man

(41:28):
of Sony. And then that way, they don't
have to play together anymore. And Sony can
make their Spider Verse movies,
and Marvel can make all their
Marvel movies with a Spider Man emblem,
and
have fun. Go to town. And you don't
have to worry about playing catch up with
any kind of connected universe anymore. To be
perfectly honest, I don't think anybody I don't

(41:49):
think the
word Marvel movie carries the weight it once
did anymore either. So It doesn't. Oh, it
doesn't. It doesn't. That's why that's I mean,
I hate to say it, but that's why
I think it ought to be Bells Morales
with the MCU and Peter Parker with the
SOTY verse.
Mhmm. Because
Peter Parker is the classic character, and Sony's
trying to build off of those classic characters.

(42:10):
And that's not a knock against Miles Morales.
I love Miles Morales' Spider Man. Mhmm.
I thoroughly enjoy his story.
But for what Sony is trying to do,
Peter Parker just works better.
Mhmm. I can give you that. Alright. Well,
does anybody have anything else they wanna say
or thoughts they wanna share prior to giving
your

(42:30):
rating?
Let's let's
include the fact that that that they did
try to squeeze in some Spiderman isms in
it. They Yes. They had a a young
Ben Parker
who was wearing the the the the Ben
Parker,
what do you call it,
knitted
jacket thing, that we see in the movies

(42:52):
later.
They had,
Peter. Technically, they had Peter.
Yeah. And it wasn't it wasn't a and
I appreciate it. This wasn't a,
you know, we're gonna ignore the existence of
Peter Parker and all that as a whole.
It was those Jimmy, there's a Peter Parker
there. Mhmm. And but it was super before
his before he was Yeah. Broke right as

(43:13):
he's being born. And they had a form
of the famous line,
but that was listed as when you take
on the responsibility,
great power will come, which I kinda like
the way that's phrased out. I legitimately like
that. I did too. I I I thought
that was a nice nod to the the
source material,
but also looking at that concept from a
completely different angle. It's the idea that when

(43:36):
you choose to take all the responsibility,
that's what gives you the power. Instead of
you've got this power, now you have to
have the responsibility.
I like that reversal. I will say if
you want to talk about the Spider Man
isms or the spider isms,
the spasms,
and
it doesn't matter.
At the end when they're all in the
hospital room, and she's all like, oh, being

(43:59):
an uncle's great. It's all the fun of
having a kid with none of the responsibility.
And then she's like, that's what he thinks.
It's just like she's making light of the
fact that, oh, Spider Man's parents are gonna
die. That's just she she just has the
grin on her face. It's like, how inappropriate.
That's just more proof that the writing had

(44:19):
zero thought behind it. They just put it
down because they were like, teehee.
Yeah. Definitely.
So it yeah. There was a lot of
things true for most that was true for
most of the movie. They were having reactions
that just didn't make sense. Like, the the
the girls are being hunted by a killer.
They're out in the middle of the woods,
and I think someone mentioned this earlier. Hey.
I'm hungry. Let's just go to a diner.

(44:40):
Yeah. And and and eat. And so they're
sitting there. They're eating.
Again, supposedly being hunted down by this killer.
And then, hey. There's a bunch of cute
boys at the table. Let's go flirt with
them. And then,
hey. There's a song I like. Let's get
on the table and dance. We're supposed to
be laying low. We're supposed to
not be easy to find. It it it
was almost like

(45:01):
they said, we want this fight scene in
this diner. But here's the problem. They have
effectively removed themselves from all digital cameras.
How are we going to
make them
give give an excuse for why the killer
can find them there? I know. Let's have
a guy see them making a fool of
themselves and call the phone. You know, call
the police and say, hey. Those 3 girls

(45:22):
that were supposedly kidnapped,
yeah, they're totally fine flirting with a football
team at this diner.
You know, it just all of it seemed
random. Well, even though, like, all the stuff
that was really random that we're, like, all
of a sudden there's action. Those are all
the things they put together in the trailer
to make us think this is an action
packed movie. Right. And and so I put
up brought it up in in our community

(45:44):
outreach about how they deceptively piece the trailers
together to go, man, they're gonna be we're
gonna have the the 3 spider women going
at it, fighting. Let's go. You know, we're
thinking that Cassandra's been training these young ladies
to be mighty warriors of the web or
whatever you wanna say. And
all they did was just paste and copy.
I mean, at first when I first saw
the trailer, I thought I was like, oh,

(46:06):
are they are they playing with, like, Spidey
when he was wearing the black suit and
he was working for shield? Like, what's going
on here? And he goes, no. No. That's
Ezekiel.
Okay. Cool. And you see him
awkwardly in costume, out of costume in the
same scene. Yeah. And then can we can
somebody explain to me
the dream sequence
where she's
talking to Ezekiel, getting this information all of

(46:28):
a sudden, and then will you see that?
How does that happen? Very convenient that your
ability to see the future also gives you
telepathy
because
reasons.
I mean Just like the ability to see
the future also allows you to be in
3 places at once
because reasons.
But he didn't know who Cassie was
until after that till, like like, it was,

(46:49):
like, a like, till she got back. He
had no idea who she was.
I can't explain it to you. This is
a this is a literary device called deus
ex machina
where
it happens
because it happens
because it happens.
The whole movie was like that. Yeah.
Mhmm.

(47:10):
Let's get our rating, guys. Yeah. Yes. Do
that. Let's do that. Dallas, why don't you
go ahead and discuss the ratings, give the
definition to possible new listeners.
Yeah. So if you guys are new to
the bottom shelf, we have a
4 tier system for rating movies. It's it's
very complicated. There's a lot of math and
number crunching.
It's been really rough because Branson was our

(47:32):
resident mathematic person. Now he's off being forced
ghosty.
Anyways, so that being said, top shelf, this
is really hard to get this. You go,
I need to own this. I want to
own this on Blu ray, DVD, VHS, if
that's your jam.
And I wanna have this. Middle shelf is
I'd watch it maybe feel streaming. You know,

(47:53):
if it was on the bat in the
background, I might watch it.
Bottom shelf probably will never watch this again.
Just
even if it's on TV, I'll just flip
past it and go on with my life.
And then we have the dumpster fire
where we say, I will actively keep people
from watching this movie ever again. Let it
burn from existence and never be a thing.

(48:15):
And to our knowledge, to this date, no
film has ever
made it into space, but rumors speak of
a strange film about a bald headed kid
with a blue arrow. I don't know what's
what that's about.
Yeah. Yeah. So who wants to jump in
on this first?
I will because I feel like my answer
might be different from yours. Uh-oh. Okay.
Go for it. Peek behind the kimono as

(48:37):
John says. He he goes, oh my gosh.
And he was
suggesting his thing, and I went, well, I'm
dusting off my top shelf here, boys.
So that being said,
I was dusting my top shelf because it
was dirty. No. I'm putting this on the
bottom shelf, actually.
I was kinda in between, like, if it's
in the background and somebody's like, I wanna

(48:57):
watch this. Okay. Just so I could be
angry again at the fact that there's so
many missed opportunities,
but it's a bombshell film. It's not one
of them just, like, throw it away into
the ether and let it be forgotten. It's
almost already forgotten. I don't we don't have
to we don't have to put in dumpster
fire, but it is a I think it
is a great thing to point out to
go, this is what we could do. Like,

(49:18):
these are great
characters, and I I I want to stress
this because some people are gonna listen to
this and go, you're just angry because these
are women. No. I these are great characters.
Genuinely
amazing characters that have depth, that have warmth
to them, just the script. And I I,
again, I don't know who any of these
actresses are except for the one, and I

(49:39):
hope that this is a Matt problem of
direction
and script writing because these characters they've been
given can do some amazing things. So I'll
put it on the bottom shelf. Alright.
I'll go next so
Bam can be in the uncomfortable position of
being the tie breaker.
I would equate watching the for me, for

(50:01):
for the experience I had watching this movie,
I would put it on par
with drinking a lukewarm
cup of somebody else's vomit.
No.
Okay. I I as I when I put
this movie on, I kept choking it down
because I had to,
not because I wanted to,
which would be like if somebody told me

(50:22):
I had to drink a cup of someone
else's vomit, it would be very much a
similar situation.
I like
I sat all day looking for reasons not
to actually watch this movie until I had
to.
And then when I put it on, I
kept fidgeting with my phone and other things

(50:43):
around me because I just I was so
disengaged with this movie.
I didn't I you know, I'm not I'm
not gonna drag this out with flowery speed
dumpster fire. I this this needs to cease
to exist.
Not so much because I want to prevent
other people from watching this movie. I want
to prevent me from ever accidentally walking in

(51:04):
on it at some point in time. Like,
I
know that, like, this is mortal combat annihilation
territory for me.
So
I I genuinely respect that. I'm just gonna
tell you, I
I was almost there with you, and so
I I'm barely on the bottom. It's hanging
on. It's like the bottom is, like, singeing.

(51:25):
The plastic's melting a little bit. It was
kinda like that video where
Kevin was trying to light the fog on
fire Mhmm. But it just wouldn't light at
first. It's that's where it's at. Your
your your rating is like the red headed
glasses girl
from this movie at in the end scene
when she's just hanging on right over the
burning door.

(51:47):
Basically.
Alright, Bam. Break this tie for us.
Just peer into the webs and be everywhere,
Bryson.
Because reasons.
Yeah. I've actually
flip flopped back and forth with my ratings
for the exact reasons that both of you
have cited.
I, for a little while, was in the

(52:08):
camp of the,
this is terrible. This is this this this
should not exist. This is I I hate
the time I spent watching this. Like, there
was a reason I never got around to
see it in theaters.
And and now that I've seen it, I'm
not glad that I saw it.
But on the flip side, I've also thought,
Dallas, what you thought about there is such

(52:30):
potential there if they had just
worked with it more. Picked one story, polished
it, done something with it other than just
vomited it out, it had the potential to
be something greater.
So what I'm wrestling with is,
do I rate it based on what it
is
or what it could be? And
as far as I understand,

(52:51):
the way this rating works is we're not
rating the show or the movie based on
what it could be. We're rating it based
on what it is.
And there are too many flaws.
I don't know that it offends me to
the point that I would actively try to
tell people not to watch it, but
I can't really find
anything redeemable about it in its form

(53:14):
right now. So
based on the fact that it is not
good
now, I'm gonna have to dumpster fire it.
Alright. So there you have it, everybody.
It we're this movie is going to be
scrubbed from existence.
Never shall we speak of it again.
What are we talking about? Right.

(53:35):
We're gonna talk about some weak connections, I
think. About what?
Welcome. It hasn't gone into the dumpster fire
yet, Dallas. We haven't tossed it there yet.
So Oh.
So welcome to the weak connection
portion of the podcast where we try to
find

(53:55):
something
redeemable, something redemptive,
some kind of forced message,
because
it is,
from the movie we just watched. You should
learn CPR.
Yes.
Well,
does anybody have anything redemptive for this movie?

(54:16):
Yeah, I do. Go for it, mister light
shining in the darkness.
You're the blue one, Branson. Oh, that's me.
I was I was talking about you. I
thought Bam I thought Bam said he didn't.
I did. I do, actually. Oh, well,
either one of you can go. So the
Spider fan takes take the lead on this
one. Spider fan. Spider fan

(54:37):
does whatever
a Spider fan does.
Alrighty.
On my Spider fan podcast, this is the
part where I'd say my spider sense is
tingling.
We mentioned before the
nod to with great power comes great responsibility,
and they said, once you accept the responsibility,
that's when great power

(54:58):
comes.
And,
I actually really appreciated
the reversal of that,
because it gives the idea of
you don't wait for you to have the
ability
to do what is right. You just do
what is right and trust that that when
the moment comes, you'll have the ability to
do what you need to do. Mhmm.
It reminds me of a something that I

(55:19):
hear,
quoted in churches a lot. God does not
call the equipped. He equips the called. Mhmm.
And we see examples of that throughout scripture,
where God calls men and women who, at
the time God calls them, are not prepared
to do the thing that God has called
them to do. But over time, through God's

(55:39):
redemptive work, he prepares them. He puts them
at the right place at the right time
so that they
can do the things that they are called
to do.
Huge example
is
Gideon.
When he's hiding
from the Philistine army,
trying to sort out wheat, and an angel
appears before him and and calls him a

(56:01):
mighty man of valor. At that point, Gideon
is not
a mighty man of valor. He's literally hiding
so that he doesn't get,
assaulted
while he's separating wheat from chaff. But
God calls him to lead the armies of
Israel against the Philistine army. And and and
really not even a full army. He he

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breaks it down to just 300 bid by
the time it's over with.
But,
just that and there there's several other examples,
but the one I the one I really
wanna focus on is actually in Daniel,
Daniel chapter 3.
Let me find the verse here. So, basically,
Nebuchadnezzar
has this dream

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of this big statue with 4 different metals,
and Daniel interprets it, and everything's cool. So
he builds a giant golden statue and tells
everyone that the nation of,
is it Babylon Leviticus or is it Babylonian
king? Right? He tells everyone in Babylon, when
you hear the trumpet, you need to bow
down and worship the statue. And there were
these 3 guys,

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Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego.
That's not their Hebrew names, but I don't
remember their Hebrew names. Shadrach, and Benny.
Yeah. From the vegetale lore.
But they refused to bow. They refused to
worship. And so Nebuchadnezzar,
calls them out on it. And he says,
chapter 3 starting with verse 15, now if
you are ready when you hear the sound

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of the hornpipe, lyre, trigon, harp, bagpipe, and
every kind of music, to fall down and
worship the image that I have made, well
and good. But if you do not worship,
you shall immediately be cast into a burning
fiery furnace. And who is the god who
will deliver you out of my hands?
Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego answered and said to
the king, oh, Nebuchadnezzar,
we have no need to answer you in

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this matter. If this be so, our god,
whom we serve, is able to deliver us
from the burning fiery furnace, and he will
deliver us out of your hand, o king.
But if not, be it known to you,
o king, that we will not serve gods
or worship the golden image that you have
set up. So, basically,
these three guys tell Nebuchadnezzar,
look, you really don't have a position to

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threaten us
because the god we serve is more than
capable of delivering this out of delivering us
out of this fire.
But if even if he does it even
if he does it, we're not bowing to
your statue. We serve the one true God.
And even if it leads to our death,
we're not backing down. And as the story
goes, they lead him it they lead them

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into the fiery furnace, and the thing is
so hot that the people forcing these 3
guys into the furnace die from heat, from
the heat of it. And they walk into
the furnace,
and they don't burn. Not only do they
not burn, but Nebuchadnezzar says that he sees
a 4th man in the fire with them
who has a face like the son of
god. And we've come to learn that that
is actually an appearance of Jesus in the

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Old Testament.
And
what I think is amazing about that story
is that Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego did not
know
walking to the furnace
that God would
deliver them. They knew God was perfectly capable
of it, but there was no guarantee.
So they walked to that furnace willing to
die, willing to be burned,

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because they knew this was the law that
God had set down. We serve the one
true God, and we're not gonna step down
from it. They were willing to say, this
is the law. This is what we do.
And because they were willing to take that
leap, because they were willing to take that
step to say, okay. If we burn, we
burn, Then god comes in and delivers them.
God doesn't prevent them from going to the

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furnace.
God delivers them while they are in the
midst of that furnace.
God doesn't put out the flames.
God just keeps them from burning while they
are in the flames.
And I really got that vibe with with
this this quote of Madame Webb of when
God has called you to do something,
you take it on
whether you feel qualified to do it or

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not.
As a matter of fact,
if God is calling you to do it,
you're probably not qualified,
which is exactly why God calls you. Because
then he gives you the power. He gives
you what you need. He equips you, and
that brings glory to him because people look
at that and say, man, there's no way
that guy could do that, but he's doing
it anyway.

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Why?
And that opens a platform for us to
talk about Jesus and to say, well, the
reason we're able to do this is because
of Jesus, because we have a relationship with
Christ. And so that was my my weak
connection in the one of the few redeemable
things about this movie was that concept is
that you don't wait around
to have to to be equipped to do

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what god calls you to do. You just
step out in faith and do what god
calls you to do, and then he gives
you the power as you're being obedient to
him. Alright.
Good deal. Captain Mora?
Yeah. Mine I have there's a couple that
I have that I can run with. I
wanna kinda piggyback off of Branson's because I
it was mine was based on the same
line also,

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with that line of, you know, we take
up responsibility, great power will come upon you.
And there's a level of of fear when
the Lord goes, hey. You're gonna go do
something, and you're like, uh-uh.
And
the impact of you walking in that, I
wanna encourage folks in that. It may be
scary, but there's a lasting impact that you
don't know about on the back end of
that.
I was thinking about Ananias

(01:01:12):
in,
in Acts chapter 9.
Paul, for context,
you know, he was out persecuting the Christians,
gets knocked off his high horse, literally,
gets blinded, and then he's,
laid up in a place waiting for for
the something to happen. The Lord tells him
to go and wait. And God shows up
to Ananias, and he's like, hey.

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You're a disciple. You're cool. Get up and
go to this house, and you're gonna pray
for Saul of Tarsus.
And he's like, no.
Not happened,
Jesus.
He's trying to kill us. That kills people.
Yeah. You know? He's like he's looking at
he's looking at an impossible situation. He's looking

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at a situation and goes, that man is
out to kill me, and you want me
to go pray for him? I mean, have
you missed the memo?
What's going on? And the Lord says, no.
Go do this. Because there's a lasting impact,
and there may be a situation where you're
called to do it and you have fear.
But if you walk in that, it may
not make sense, but the Lord will empower
you to do some stuff, to walk some

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amazing things, and there will be a lasting
impact that will change the world. And, again,
piggybacking on what Branson said, it's not about
making us look good, but it's about pointing
to a greater purpose.
Nothing we do is for us.
It's for the greater purpose.
We,
so great, kinda minor minor segue. Recently, this

(01:02:36):
podcast was featured on blueberry.com
as podcast of the month, and, they asked
several questions. But one of the things to
point out was, like, what we do here
with this podcast is part of a greater
vision.
And we have fun. We laugh. We make
jokes, but it's to let people know who
love and cared for. It sounds to not
to the not to look at us and
go, John is the greatest podcaster alive.

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I mean, it's true, but that's not the
point. That's I mean but it's to point
people back to the hope, to Christ. And
so,
I just wanna add my thoughts into Branson's
thing. Cool. And I'm gonna be the apostate
and not have anything for this. So,
can I just point out the fact that
they never explained why,

(01:03:18):
what's his face's
spider suit never showed up on the cameras
in the subway?
They did not. Just throwing that out there.
Another gaping plot hole.
So anyway,
I think that's all we got here. So
I want to thank everybody for tuning in.
Follow us on the socials at,

(01:03:39):
well, why don't you go ahead and fly
us out because I'm still don't got the
socials down, Dallas.
I I just made a mess of it.
Yeah. Hey. First off, if you like Branson,
if you like enjoying this conversation about Spider
Man and you wanna hear about some Spider
Man stuff that doesn't suck,
you should check out the spider fan the
friendly neighborhood spider fan podcast

(01:04:01):
hosted by Branson,
the boykin. The boykin's the boykins,
where he does that. He reviews he's reviewing
them in chronological, in order, except for, apparently,
the next episode where he's not gonna do
it in order.
But
It it'll it'll be a special episode. Be
a special. I'll I'll record it and keep
it in my back pocket for a a
month where I don't have an episode. But

(01:04:21):
that's fair. Yeah. That's fair. Yeah. But either
way, Branson is,
he's got, that going on. But if you
wanna check out more of
of the bottom shelf,
check out our our
our socials. We're on Facebook and Instagram. Look
for the bottom shelf podcast.
Also really wanna encourage you guys to check
out the Discord channel because this is part
of the Geek Devotions Podcast Network, which is

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part of Geek Devotions. And we have a
Discord channel, and we have a whole channel
where we talk about bad movies. We have
channels within the whole Discord channel talking about
life, We encourage people. A lot of the
the comments came from that area. So we
really encourage you guys, be part of our
community. Let us love you. Let us encourage
you where you're at.
Alright. And,
also go check out geekdevotions.com.

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That's you can find everything on the podcast
network there
and then some. So
with that, thanks everybody for listening,
and,
stay devoted, I guess. Peace
and
love.

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