July 9, 2025 • 40 mins
Bryan Osborne is a passionate speaker, educator, and curriculum specialist with Answers in Genesis, known for his engaging and accessible approach to biblical apologetics. With over 13 years of experience teaching Bible history in Tennessee’s public school system, Bryan combines academic depth with a gift for communication that reaches both youth and adults. He holds a B.A. in Biblical Studies with minors in Greek and Christian Education from Bryan College, as well as a Master’s in Education from Lee University. For over two decades, he has helped churches and families develop a strong foundation in the authority of Scripture through chronological Bible teaching and apologetics-based evangelism.
As a full-time speaker for Answers in Genesis, Bryan travels internationally to deliver presentations at conferences, churches, and attractions like the Creation Museum and Ark Encounter. He’s also the author of several books, including Quick Answers to Tough Questions and Quick Answers to Social Issues. Through all his work, Bryan emphasizes the importance of biblical authority in today’s culture and equips Christians to stand firm in their faith. He and his wife Marla have been married since 1998 and are committed to raising their family with the same biblical principles he shares with audiences worldwide.
Find out more from him at: www.answersingenesis.org
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Brian Osborne joins us to explore how Christians can defend biblical authority in an age of skepticism and cultural confusion. We dive into the foundational importance of Genesis for understanding everything from creation science to contemporary social issues.
• Brian shares his journey from public school Bible history teacher to apologetics speaker with Answers in Genesis
• Understanding the difference between operational science (observable, testable, repeatable) and historical science (interpreting past events)
• How science confirms biblical truth rather than contradicting it
• The danger of Christians adopting cultural ideas and trying to force them into Scripture
• Reading the Bible "naturally" not "literally" – interpreting according to context and genre
• Why Genesis matters: it provides foundations for understanding creation, gender, marriage, and human worth
• The theological problem with accepting millions of years: it places death before sin
• Introduction to the Creation Museum and Ark Encounter as resources for families and believers
• Resources available through Answers in Genesis to help Christians defend their faith
Check out answersingenesis.org for free articles and videos answering your questions about biblical authority and creation. Consider visiting the Creation Museum and Ark Encounter in Kentucky to experience biblical history coming to life!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the Boundless Bible.
My name is David Shapiro.
Hey, I'm Javi.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Marquez, and I'm Jason Holloway.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Welcome to the Boundless Bible.
Hey guys, how are you doing?
What's going on, guys?
How's it going?
Today is a special day.
We have a great guest.
Our guest today is BrianOsborne.
He's an incredible speaker andapologetics expert with a
passion for defending biblicalauthority and reaching the lost
with the gospel.
He's an author of Quick Answersto Tough Questions and Quick
(00:34):
Answers to Social Issues.
With over 20 years ofexperience teaching and
equipping youth and families,brian equips the believers of
all ages with biblical truth,helping Christians defend their
faith.
He currently serves on staffwith Answers in Genesis,
speaking at conferences andchurches all around the world.
Welcome, brian.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Welcome.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Great to be with you guys, happy to have you.
Yes, we are very excited aboutthis.
Before we jump in and startpicking your brain a little bit,
why don't you just tell us alittle bit about yourself?
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Sure, yes, I'm a little bit.
Why don't you just tell us alittle bit about yourself?
Sure, yeah, so I'm a Carolinaboy.
I grew up in North Carolina,born and raised, moved to
Tennessee when I went to college, met my wife there, went to a
place called Bryan College Notbecause of the name, but this is
where God put me and then I metmy wife there.
We got married, went tograduate from there, had a major
in biblical studies, minors inGreek Christian education Got
directed to me cool story, notime now but to become a Bible
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history teacher in a publicschool.
I was in Tennessee, did thatfor 13 years and then, in the
course of doing that, got prettypassionate about apologetics,
in particular.
Creation of apologetics.
Started from the beginning andthen God opened doors for me to
go to Answers in Genesis about11 years ago, and so I moved up
here to Northern Kentucky,worked for Answers in Genesis as
a speaker, literally travelingall over the place.
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Christian faith challengingnon-believers, written a few
different books, by God's grace.
If you ask my high schoolEnglish teacher, could this guy
ever write a book?
The answer would be a hard noand that's just not going to
happen.
But God is powerful and lovesusing weak things to shame the
wise, and so, yeah, now I workas a speaker, content, content
specialists and do all sorts ofthings with answers to Genesis.
(02:07):
And if you want to familiarwith who we are, we are a
biblical authority ministry.
We are really about defendingbiblical authority.
That's a heartbeat.
Now we give answers about a lotof origin stuff because that's
our focus in Genesis.
That's where the attack and thebig waste happening on biblical
authority.
Uh, but the whole point isdefending biblical authority and
the gospel rooted in thatauthority.
That's who we are.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
You're in good company.
By the way, I was raised.
I was dyslexic most of my lifeand I'm actually coming out with
a book this year, so the samething Praise God.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
My English teacher would have said there's no way.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
So you're in good company.
So just as a real easy, funquestion to start with, if you
can visit any site from biblicalhistory, where would you go?
Speaker 4 (02:49):
and why it might be the battle between David and
Goliath or the valley rightthere, I don't know.
It just sounds cool to me.
Of course, the most biblicalholy thing would be, say, where
Jesus was crucified, or the tomb, the resurrection, that's.
Probably that should be numberone.
But just think about biblicalhistory, david and Goliath,
seeing that firsthand, kind ofenvisioning that That'd be
pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I love that answer and, just out of curiosity,
teaching a Bible in a in apublic school, that had to have
been, I mean, political at best,but really difficult.
Tell us about that a little bit.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
It was a wonderful thing, a great experience.
That was in Tennessee, so therewas a different place.
It's not California or New Yorkor something like that and it
was 13 years ago when I startedman, or sorry, it was 11 years
ago, started 24 years ago, so itwas before some of the
craziness in our culture had gotso crazy, but still it was
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interesting, to say the least.
But it was biblical history, soI wasn't doing it wasn't
proselytizing we're praying inthe classroom or something like
that.
I'm going through biblicalhistory old testament, one
semester new testament andanother just teaching the bible.
And as a bible teacher, the rulebasically was I could answer
any of my students questions, aslong as I just used the Bible.
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I did not give my opinion,which, if you know anything
about apologetics done rightly.
That's what apologetics is Justtell you what the Bible says.
And so it was a great trainingground for me to learn how to
answer from a, from the Bible onmany issues, because I taught
high schoolers.
They ask all the best andcraziest questions, so you got
to learn to kind of deal withthat from a perspective.
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So God was gracious in that.
But yeah, it was amazing Fun Ihad a great time with it,
especially that time in my life,and, yeah, I'm glad to be out
doing what I do now, butdefinitely got used in many ways
.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
What a training ground, though right.
Like you said, you got theseyoung kids who are surrounded by
society.
They're being filled with allthese different ideas and you
get to answer them using theBible, about the Bible, not with
opinion, not with you know,maybe even past tradition, but
just speaking directly to thefacts and figures of the Bible.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Oh yeah, no, it's phenomenal and I would honestly
say most Christians who benefitfrom that part of our ministry
is a lot of Christians have notbeen taught to defend their
faith, to think biblically fromthe ground up, to have a
biblical worldview, and since wehaven't been taught that, we
don't have to deal with issuesin a real, biblically effective
way.
So that was such a blessing tome.
God was gracious to do it andit's obvious now, looking back,
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he was preparing me for what I'mdoing to train Christians to do
just that.
Indeed, indeed.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Now with that worldview?
Actually, one of the questionsis in what ways have Christians
unknowingly adopted aculture-first lens instead of a
scripture worldview?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Yeah, well, it's multiple ways.
A lot of it comes out of bigbiblical ignorance, not knowing
the Bible, not knowing what itteaches, not being rooted in
God's word.
And then, of course, we'resaturated by culture.
We live in this culture.
And, and then, of course, we'resaturated by culture, we live
in this culture.
And so if you don't make aconscious effort to really think
through the ideas that it'spushing forward, if you just
basically, consciously orsubconsciously adopt them, then
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you'll be advocating for ideasthat are not biblical and you'll
hear slogans in our culturethat sound good on the surface,
like love is love.
Oh well, I mean love, love'sfluffy, love's great.
Yeah, we should be all for loveas love.
Oh well, I mean, love, love'sfluffy, love's great.
Yeah, we should be all for loveas Christians.
That sounds good, let's go forthat.
Well, you know what you got todefine love biblically and also
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to look at how they're definingwhat love is and then, be sure,
using the biblical definition.
So, whether it's about that, oreven about origins, and
defining what science is anddefining history and
understanding the differencebetween operational versus
historical science, and wherepeople get confused on that and
where people hear ideas aboutevolution and millions of years.
I think, oh well, that'sscience not really recognizing,
that's an interpretation basedon assumptions we did in a
secular worldview about history.
Then they embrace those ideasand just treat them as fact and
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try to squeeze them into thebible.
And that's what so manychristians unknowingly do.
They take popular secular ideas, think they're right and then
try to squeeze them into theBible, to try to make the Bible,
say, this popular cultural idea.
And when you do that, it'ssomething called eisegesis,
where you're trying to squeezeideas into God's word and that
makes you the authority overGod's word, which should never
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be the case.
And so I think in a big way wesee that happening in many cases
.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
That's interesting.
Can I ask you a question?
You used a terminology I'm notfamiliar with.
You talked about operationalscience versus.
I didn't catch the first, Iforgot the first word.
Can you talk a little bit aboutthat?
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Oh, absolutely yeah, it's one of the big things we
talk about within the ministry.
So operational science versushistorical science or origin
science, and so the word sciencejust means knowledge or to know
.
But how do we gain thatknowledge?
We kind of call that scientificmethod, but it's kind of
science today, the method youuse to accumulate knowledge,
manipulate that knowledge andthen to make stuff to hopefully
bless humanity.
But you can break that down tobasic categories and ones I just
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mentioned operational versushistorical.
And this is such a keydifference.
Operational science is here andnow science.
It's observable, testable,repeatable and falsifiable.
It's, uh, someone in alaboratory missing chemical a
with chemical b.
The result.
They repeat the process,accumulate knowledge and then
use that.
They get the same answer again.
Exactly right.
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And, by the way, operationalscience is only possible because
the bible is true, because thegod of all things made not only
the tangible universe but hemade the immaterial universe.
He made the laws of nature, hemade the laws of logic and holds
them consistent.
So we can do science.
To begin with, I tell peopleall the time it's not science
versus the bible, it's sciencebecause of, yeah, the bible I
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tell my son that a lot actuallyI'm like you know.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
It's interesting that we don't take time often to
imagine.
Why do the cells in our bodiesstay in the place they are?
Why doesn't my finger justbecome a hand every now and then
?
You know?
Speaker 4 (08:29):
why doesn't?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
why doesn't my?
Why isn't the knuckle in myfinger a knee?
You know it.
There's not.
There's nothing causing thatorder, other than the fact that
jesus caused the or that godcaused the order, and that's the
origin of science right thephysics, the physics the
psychology, the science, all ofit behind it.
It all comes from that originalorigin, which is God.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
And you take it one step further.
Not just the material things,but also the immaterial, like
laws of science.
Why don't laws of gravityrandomly change?
Why don't we weigh 10 poundsmore than we used to?
Well, we might, but it's notbecause gravity changed, amen.
That's a different issue thatwe used to Well, we might, but
it's not because gravity changed, amen.
That's a different issue thatwe have to deal with.
Right, but laws of physics,laws of chemistry, laws of logic
, laws of non-contradiction, whyis it the case that you can't
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have A and not A at the sametime?
Same relationship.
Why is that a law?
Why doesn't it change?
Why is it true, existent andexist everywhere?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
those laws come from him, come from his thinking
right and he does not change.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Amen.
It makes sense of the worldview.
The secular worldview has nofoundation for that.
So I love that's all.
A whole different category Ilove talking about too.
But get back to, uh, operationalversus historical science.
So operational, you do it herenow, it's observable, accumulate
knowledge.
Historical science is whenyou're living in the present,
trying to figure out whathappened in the unseen past to
bring about what we're lookingat today.
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So it's kind of like forensicscience.
You know, watch the CSIs,there's some of those type shows
where there's a crime scene,the crime's overdone with no one
saw it.
You get there.
There are clues.
You must interpret those clues.
You make assumptions about whathappened in the unseen past to
try to put it all together.
Same thing with origin science.
We have the present day world.
How did it get here?
Who did it?
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What caused it?
Why do we see these differentthings?
You must interpret present dayclues through a set of
assumptions about the unseenpast.
And here's the key If you startwith the wrong assumptions, put
your faith in the wrongfoundational authority, you'll
get the wrong conclusions.
And bottom line, gentlemen,there's only two foundational
worldviews Either God's word isyour authority and he builds
your thinking from there?
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Trust the I with the account ofthe creator himself, or reject
God's word.
What are you left with Man'sideas?
You're putting your faith inman's authority.
Put your faith in one or theother.
We all got faith.
Just where do you put it?
And so, for evolution, what'shappened with that is you have
people come along in the 1800swho rejected biblical authority,
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rejected biblical history.
You try to explain all thingswith only natural processes, and
so they used a naturalistic,secular, humanistic worldview to
interpret all things, allthings, to make a guess about
origins.
And so evolution, big bang, isrooted in a rejection of
biblical authority, biblicalhistory, and an embracing of
man's word as the authority.
And so, but again, when you'redoing historical science, you're
making guesses based onassumptions, based on authority.
Operational is just here andnow science.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
So let me ask you because originally you were
talking about how there areChristians who kind of blend the
two.
They go okay, I believe in God,I believe in Christ, I believe
all this happened, but I alsobelieve in billions of years and
what science has told me, insecular science and all that.
And I, I actually started offmy journey when I first accepted
christ.
I'm like great, I'm a scientist, I accept christ, I'm going
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forward and I believe that youknow, there's the gap theory and
that's kind of the one I stuckto for a while and I'm going.
Hey, you know that there couldhave been God also, a day for
him could have been millions ofyears.
And then when you get into theactual wording of it and the
translation, you realize no, aday is a literal day, and you
know all the arguments you'veheard.
Yeah, one of the things we dohere is we have three people
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from three very different walksof faith one who is more literal
, one who's more symbolic andone who is just a faithful lover
of Christ and we come togetherand the translation becomes
something that we try to pursue.
We try to pursue the truth intranslation.
So somebody who is a Christianwho is saying, hey, I believe in
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Christ, but I'm also believingin this secular science that
I've learned growing up, whatwould you say to them?
As far as, where can they dosome research?
Where can they start gettingsome truth if they want to?
You know, they don't even knowwhat they don't know yet.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Right, yeah, hey, I'll first say this.
Now I've been there, I'vewalked that path, so I'm not
coming to this as someone whogrew up in a home that always
believed.
Six day creation, global flood,literal Adam.
My parents, my Christianupbringing we never talked about
it.
It wasn't something we reallydealt with that much.
When I got saved, I was 17.
Was in Christ, I was passionateabout him and I wasn't worried
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about all this stuff, justtrusting Jesus and preach the
gospel and which it's not.
That's not in one sense, it'snot a bad thing, but in another
sense it can be.
If we were missing a key thing.
I'll come back to it in amoment.
But I so when I first startedengaging these ideas
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no-transcript years later, theguy really kind of opened my
eyes to number one, why itmatters, and then what the issue
is.
So why it matters.
In short, today, if you thinkabout it, people are.
You know.
We tell people just trust inJesus.
We tell our kids just trust inJesus.
You meet the guy on the streettrust in Jesus.
But those who don't believe,especially today, they're going
to push back and, in their mindat least, say this why should I
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trust in your Jesus?
Because the message ofsalvation through Christ alone
comes from the Bible.
And if I can't believe thefirst part of the Bible, why
trust the middle or the end?
You see, either all of God'sword is authoritative,
trustworthy and true, or none ofit is.
That's really the core issue.
If I can't believe what theBible clearly says in Genesis 1,
2, and 3, why trust John 3?
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Why trust Revelation?
It's an issue of authority andfor so many people in their
minds today, they think theBible's authority has been
undermined by evolution inmillions of years.
It's disproved biblical history.
So if the Bible's history iswrong, well, I can reject
everything else.
I can redefine morality,redefine gender, redefine
sexuality, I can redefinemorality.
I can redefine everythingbecause it's just up to me now,
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because I've rejected God's word, and so it's an issue of
authority at an evangelisticlevel.
That's really one of thereasons.
And then, as Christians, what wewant to do and kind of what
you're saying, we want to cometo the text and say what does
the text say in context?
I want God's word be theauthority.
And even if the conclusion isunpopular, if I'm being faithful
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to the text, reading it incontext, in its right literature
, right genre, within thebroader context of historical
context, all those thingsgrammatical, historical,
narrative type interpretation.
If I'm doing that correctly,rightly, and this is what it
says about marriage, gender,origins, well, that's what I'm
going to believe, even if theculture does not like it.
And then we're going to see.
As we do that, as we stand onGod's word and have a biblical
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worldview, an amazing thinghappens.
Science confirms the Bible.
We'll see that.
Real observations confirm whatthe Bible actually says about
origins, age of the earth,global gender, sexuality and so
forth.
And so for me, it was thejourney, was, you know, first
not worrying about it at all.
Then I got confronted with thistruth of wow, okay, if I
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embrace these ideas, I'membracing non-biblical ideas,
I'm undermining biblicalauthority.
And so I gotta make a choice.
Am I going to repent, submit togod's word, put my faith there,
or am I going to keep justtrudging on my own ideas and
still kind of try to trumpetthose over what god's word says?
And so it's about, it's amatter of submission.
And actually my wife and I bothsay that when, um, god got a
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hold of me on this probably, Iguess, 20 years ago now, um,
there was a reformation in ourlives because we had to do some
inventory.
Okay, we were compromising here, we didn't know we were, but
then we didn't know, but wefound out and so we started
saying, okay, well, where elsemight we be compromising God's
word and really doing a heartcheck there?
And God used powerful ways todo this today.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
So, brian, let me ask you a question, because we talk
about the importance of, youknow, leaning into the text
because of its authority.
Like you just said and I agreewith you a hundred percent I
think the authority of the Bibleis, you know, unquestionably
important, right?
So?
But now there's the there's thedifference between authority in
terms of literalism and meaningas well, right, I think there's
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different people who take thisin different ways, and I'm I'm
not standing on one side of theother, but, um, I'm curious what
your thought.
In fact, let me be honest, it'snot that I do or don't stand on
one side, but I'm a person whowent to—I actually went to a
Christian college for my firstcollege.
I wanted to be a pastor, I wasin Old Testament, new Testament
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classes, and there was some verychallenging stuff that they
admitted was very challengingstuff in those classes, and I
asked one of the professors howthey got through this literal
reading when there's some thingsthat seem to be non-literal, or
contradictory, or controversialor any number of things.
And his answer was very clearlyyou know, I just have faith, I
believe in it.
I have faith, which was a greatanswer in context of what he
was thinking in his mind.
But to an 18 year old kid Ifigured, hey, I must not have
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faith if I'm having a problemwith this stuff.
Um, it must not be a thing thatI hold on to.
So literalism is one of thethings that pushed me away for
20 some years.
So I wonder how you wouldaddress authority through
literalism, or or if it's onlyliteralism, if it's literalism
plus metaphor and plus meaning,plus significance, or just where
you?
What's your stance to somebodywho's having a problem with the
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literalism or has been pushedaway because of it?
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Yeah, no, it's a great.
That's a great question and letme kind of miss answering your
first question a second ago formore resources to give to dive
deep into this.
Answers and Genesis dot org.
Check that out.
Go to YouTube, check outYouTube page Tons of videos
there to dive deep in all this.
But that's a great question,what you pose right now, and
there's a key word there and welike to say that we take the
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Bible naturally.
We read it in context, becausewe get accused all the time from
actually Christians andnon-Christians alike of being
over literal.
Like you're just literalist,you interpret everything in the
Bible Literally.
When Jesus says I am a door,you think he's got hinges and
swings back and forth, right,right, no right.
We read the Bible naturally.
We read it in its context.
So if I'm reading historicalnarrative, I read it as
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historical narrative.
If I'm reading poetry, I readit as poetical, and even in a
historical account someone mightbreak out in poetry.
I don't interpret their poetryas literal and that historical
account, because you just readit as what the context demands
and so you read it naturally andso that's that's taking the
bible at face value and lettingit be the authority and that's
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part of the right interpretationapparatus a good hermeneutic,
reading it naturally, and youcan follow, you can follow, you
can fall off the wagon on bothsides, of course.
Uh, for example.
Uh, people today and've beenthere and we can talk about this
.
Who will take Genesis and say,well, I don't think it's literal
, I'll try to interpret it in asymbolic way and make it long
periods of time and takepassages of the Bible, try to
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affirm that which is wrong andwe'll get into why that's wrong
in a minute and the others willtry to take political passages
and try to make them literal.
Right, we'll try to takepolitical passages and try to
make them literal.
For example, there is,unfortunately there's a decent
movement of people within theworld today leaning towards like
a flat earth ideology.
And for Christians who areembracing that ideology, what do
they go to?
Biblically?
They typically go to likePsalms, where it says he lays
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the foundation of the earth.
The earth cannot be moved.
It's got the rest of all thepillars of the earth and you got
the four corners of the earth,and in those passages it's all
about describing how the earthwill not be moved.
God's going to hold it fast.
It won't be destroyed randomly.
God's got it under control.
The whole point of speaking atthat point is God's got it, it's
not going to fall apart, butthey interpret it literally.
Let's take a political passageand interpret it literally and
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get a really bad conclusionbased on that so you can fall
off the wagon, either sideAgreed.
So that's why it's so importantthat the text is our authority
in its right, proper context.
And so when you go to Genesisin particular, what we deal with
so often, the text is literallyabout the most historical text
in the entire Old Testament,based on the Hebrew language.
Hebrew verbs are used.
The walk and second is, whichare cause and effect, and then
this happened, and then thishappened.
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The language there in Genesis,it's literally as historical as
it can get, and so the contextis historical.
And then when we look at dayfor Genesis the way it's written
, the context, it's a very 24hour day, and when you allow
that to be your authority, thenthat's your interpretive
apparatus for creation, originsand so forth.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yeah, so that's a really great point.
You know, you have to know thecontext of what you're reading
and whether it's a poem orwhether it's meant to be one of
any of the number of the thingsyou just said.
How would somebody who'sgetting into the Bible know what
are some resources that couldhelp them to know?
Hey, I'm reading this part andI should be taking it like this,
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not like that.
Is that something that yourAnswers in Genesis organization
does or is that something elseyou know?
Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Of course, we tend to focus on Genesis.
Right, that's where we're atand the Bible's got so much
content.
There's some other greatministries that will deal with
some of the other books indetail.
We cover so much of biblicalhistory.
We have multiple curriculums,go through the entire Bible, all
biblical history and so likeour ABC curriculum, which is
good for homeschooling orchurches, definitely a good
place to start.
But as far as Genesis, ourwebsite answersandgenesisorg,
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and our YouTube with our videosor answerstv, our streaming
platform, any of those sorts ofthings where we have tons of
teaching that helps break downwhy this is historical narrative
, why we interpret it withinthis framework, within the Bible
as the authority, and narrative, why we interpret it within
this framework, within the bibleas the authority, and how
science confirms it.
And it's really it's a funthing because once you do that,
the reason I think christianshave been so squishy on many
things is like they feel like,okay, I can't take the bible,
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but it seems to plainly say overhere, and so if I can't trust
genesis, maybe marriage orgender sexuality, the old
testament seems kind of like godseems harsh anyway.
So I'm just gonna stick Jesus,trust in Jesus, and they won't
take a stand on cultural issuesbecause they feel like they have
no foundational authority tostand on.
But when you take Genesis asit's written, plain history, you
have the origin of creation,order, the origin of two genders
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, the origin of biblicalsexuality, the origin of
marriage, origin and sanctity oflife.
That's all in Genesis, by theway.
The origin of the equality ofevery human being, made in God's
image, from for realization.
That goes back to Genesis,chapters one, two and three.
When you have that, you get thefoundation to address even the
social issues of our day in aneffective way.
So it's not just a matter ofwinning debates about origins or
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ready to make sure dating orjust the starlight, or who came
married.
We give answers to all thatstuff, but it's about defending
biblical authority.
That radiates how we answer somany other questions and then
how we stand effectively and besalt and light, like it has
called us to do, and so I'd sayour website is a great place to
start.
If you like watching videosyoutube, there's a ton there to
walk you through the bible'shistory.
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Have you understand what'sbeing said there?
I'd also say this, though ifyou're being honest with
yourself when you're reading thebible, if you just read the
bible and read it, just keepgoing through and read it.
Naturally it's pretty selfevident in many cases.
When you get the psalms, likeyou can tell if you're being
honest, like there's poetrygoing on here, yeah, you get the
proverbs, you can tell that's,that's someone, that's like you
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know, that's like you.
The, the old guy stroking hisbeard, giving you wisdom as he's
got.
Not, no offense against yourbeard, your beard's great.
But I'm saying like the Kung Fumaster, you know, back in the
day with a long beard, and youknow there's wisdom being passed
down there.
Those aren't absolute promises,they're general wisdom,
generally.
True, that's Proverbs and youget.
If you read Genesis, just readit.
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If you had no inkling ofevolution in millions of years,
if you just read genesis 1 to 11, you get just a plain,
straightforward reading of godspoken into existence
immediately.
Well, he's god, he can do that.
That makes sense.
And then he made man on day sixand there was eve, and then
there was the fall, and thenthere was a flood, there was a
global flood.
It covered all high mountainsof entire heavens.
I mean, you just can't get awayfrom it.
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The text is really clear and soread it.
Naturally you can tell uh thatI'm gonna.
I've been for a long time, somaybe I'm assuming, maybe
there's too much there, but Ithink there's a negative truth
in that.
But we help along the way aswell.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
I would agree with that.
I was going to say I love whatyou're mentioning before about
you know, knowing thosehistorical stuff or just knowing
the Bible more especially inGenesis and all that.
To me as I look further into it, it strengthened my faith more
to know that there has beenfindings, there is.
This is what it really means.
When it says Genesis means itis literally one day or two days
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, whatever it is, and I thinkand I encourage anyone to
continue to look further, tolook at your website Answers in
Genesis I think it's incrediblewhat you guys are doing and
obviously having the museumthere and kind of seeing the
lifelike.
Oh man, it's amazing.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
There's so much there .
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Yeah, but I just wanted to just kind of double
down on that and just anyone outthere just listening, I think
knowing further into thehistoric of our faith and just
kind of what happened and howGod moved throughout you know,
his lights and all that stuff,um, it's only going to
strengthen your faith not reallypush your way, and I would, and
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I would say too so again, brian.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
I was out of the faith for many, many years.
I only kind of came back in,maybe two, a little over two
years ago now.
I mean I I from from eight to18, I had a solid, solid
foundation, so I didn't walk inwith nothing.
But the one thing I've noticedcoming back is I'm going to go
back to that original thought ofauthority right when I didn't
have a sense of authority.
Everything had the possibilityof being authority.
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And so you're chasing andchasing and chasing truth.
And look, I think it's great tochase truth, I think it's great
to seek after truth and to tryand find truth.
But the funny thing is, youknow, you spend 25 years
searching neurology, psychology,you know philology,
philosophies, you know the whole, you know everything.
And it's funny that the truthyou end up finding is already
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sitting there in the Bible, likeit was already sitting there
the whole time and like it wasgreat to search for it.
It's just ironic that it waskind of where it started, or
maybe not ironic at all, maybeit's ironic for me being the
moron who walked away and triedto go find it on my own.
But you know, I think thatauthority is so important
because now that I have it back,so many things fall in line, so
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much easier.
So many things are answered somuch more clearly and so much of
my life can be directed so muchmore simply, it just opens up
your you know, your eyes and allthat stuff.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Absolutely Go for it.
Go for it.
Just real quick.
I've been speaking ingenerality so much because I'm
trying to cover a bunch ofmaterial and get to bigger ideas
.
Let me just say I do wholetalks on rock layers and fossils
and radiometric dating anddistant starlight and natural
selection, evolution and allthose things.
And so there are other speakersas well.
We have PhD scientists ingenetics and geology and
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astronomy.
They're really smart people inthose different fields.
If they go to YouTube they canlook up, just if they want kind
of layman's straightforwardunderstanding.
My name, brian Osborne, answersin Genesis.
You'll see me talk on dinosaurs, age of the earth, rock layers,
fossils hour-long talks.
They go pretty quickly.
A lot of visuals, like I dolike 150 slides per presentation
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.
So a few jokes in there.
Good or bad, they're in thereall right.
So, uh, hopefully it's not stale.
So the answers are there.
If you want to dive deep, we'recovering a lot very quickly so
I know I'm kind of, you know,brushing or painting with a
broad brush right now.
If people want to go back andfind more, definitely look it up
on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yeah that'd be great, and you know, even talking
about it, I'd love to have youon again to talk about some of
that stuff more deeply andreally get into the nuts and
bolts of it.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
That's fine.
Yeah, quick question.
Just being a teacher right nowis actually the first time in
history, statistically, there'sa movement where young adults,
older teens, are actually comingback to the church at a higher
number than ever than ever, um,which you know as as a teacher,
it has to be, you know,rewarding and great to see, uh.
But how does apologetics play,uh into when a lot of these
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students sometimes you hear thestatistics of when you go to
college uh, they begin to falloff from going to church?
How do you think apologeticsplays in to try to hold some of
these youth back into thereality and the truth and keep
them into church?
Speaker 4 (27:58):
I think, in a couple of different ways.
It's great to see, in somecases, where that's happening.
We pray for more and more.
That's our hope rightRepentance and return to Christ.
And I think part of what we'reseeing is this as our culture
has run headlong in autonomy,rejecting biblical authority I
can be my own God, and we'rereaping the fruit of that, the
more people are realizing well,this fruit is horrible, this
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fruit is rotten Right and it hasno answers for my life.
And so the more you play thatout and let that happen, like,
oh, ok, you think about thetransgender movement?
Oh, my good heavens.
And there are heartbreakingtestimonies of those who have
been captured by the ideology.
Had you know, quote-unquotereassignment surgery.
Their bodies are mutilated orthey've been chemically
castrated with horriblechemicals to pursue autonomy.
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Basically, I can be my own god,I can redefine my gender, and
then it doesn't fulfill them andactually they find out they're
more broken than what theystarted with.
And now they're maybe, you know, they're just broken.
They're looking for answers.
I think we as a church have anamazing chance, as our culture
reach this fruit, to say, hey,I've got the answer to be
looking for all along.
Right here, amen right, and soit's a great way to you know, a
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great time.
Maybe the harvest is right, youknow, for bringing people in on
that, based on thinking.
So I think that's part of it, Ithink, as they're coming back
to show them, hey, you're right,they don't have answers, we do.
God's work can anchor you ineverything, not just eternity.
Yes, it anchors you in that.
It anchors you in meaning andpurpose and identity.
Eternal destination?
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Yes, no doubt.
But it has relevance to today'sissue, to every facet of your
life.
It is the authority and hasanswers, whether you're talking
about finances, marriage, sex,sexuality, gender, race, racism,
critical race theory, wokeism,we're talking about origins.
It's got answers to all thisstuff because it's the word of
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God and God gets everythingright.
And then, as you were saying,when you do that, the Bible
comes alive.
And that's something I foundteaching Bible history, Because
I talked to the Biblechronologically, I just taught
it a straightforward history andI answered their questions and
I could see it in my students'minds over the years, when they
begin to think, wow, the Bible'shistory is true, this is legit.
Well, if it's right over here,maybe it's right in the middle.
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Maybe it's right at the endMaybe I should bow the knee to
Christ, you know, because theybegin to realize oh, this
thing's actually real and it isright and true.
And so as our kids come back,hopefully more and more, and
they want answers, as we givethem those answers, they'll be
more equipped and more rested ona sure foundation to have
answers to defend their faithand then to be the salt and
light God's called us to be.
You know, you look at 1 Peter,3, 15, jude 1, 3.
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Those aren't suggestions.
Hey, if you feel like it, givean answer for your faith.
If you've got time, contendearnestly for the faith.
No, if you're a believer,you're called to be an apologist
in one way or another.
You're called to contend.
You're called to give an answer.
We're called to evangelize.
We're called to get out therein our spheres of influence and
make it happen to the glory ofGod by His power and force.
For His sake, we need to beobedient to that assurance as
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they walk in the faith.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Amen, it's just pretty solid final word.
I do want to talk a little bitabout the Ark Museum, but just
before we get into there, isthere anything else you want to
offer listeners who arestruggling with trust in the
Bible in this age of skepticism?
Any last imparting words, likeI said, that was pretty powerful
right there, but is there?
Anything else, that's justhitting your mind that you just
want to leave us with.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
I would just share with them as they're listening
to this.
The Bible is true.
It's right about everything.
It tells us where we came from,that we are made in God's image
.
We all have equal value.
Because of that Are wedifferent, absolutely, but those
differences are glorious.
But we're so equal in valuebecause we're made in God's
image.
The Bible tells us that.
The Bible tells us we're broken.
We're broken by sin.
So we can look at this world.
We can see beauty those areremnants of God's original
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creation.
But we see also so muchbrokenness, so much pain.
Why?
Because man's sin brought deathand suffering into God's
perfect creation.
Friends, god made it perfect.
We erected in our sin and sincewe to the last Adam, jesus
Christ.
We all have that need.
Because that reality is a worldbroken by sin, and that's why
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we need a savior, because weneed someone to come in to pay
our sin debt for us, because wecan't do it, because God
requires perfection.
We can't be perfect.
So God came and he lived theperfect life.
He died on the cross in ourplace.
He paid the perfect, infinitedeath for our sin that we can
never pay and then rose from thegrave infinite death for our
sin that we can never pay, andthen rose from the grave,
defeating death which we cannever do Repent, put your faith
in him.
And so we had that need of thelast Adam because of the sin of
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the first Adam.
All the Bible is true, tells uswho we are, tells us what our
problem is, tells us what theanswer is and where the solution
is, what lies for us ineternity.
All of it's true.
It's right about history,morality, sexuality.
It's right about salvation andChrist alone.
Trust all of it and as you dothat, you can stand on God's
word, you'll have answers, candefend your faith, and then we
can really be the salt and lightGod's called us to be.
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If we'll just stand on God'sword, it's really not hard.
It may not you heart.
It's simple.
We stand on God's word, build abiblical worldview and as we do
that, we can then be to soundlike God's called us to be.
And so that'd be my word, myencouragement to those who are
listening.
It's my challenge to myself ona consistent basis but yeah,
god's word is true.
Trust it and you'll be thelight he's called you to be.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Amen, Appreciate that .
So with the Ark Encounter, Iwill say quickly when I had
graduated with my master's ofbiblical archaeology, I wanted
to go there and I didn't get achance.
And then I just graduated nowwith my doctorate in religious
education and still have not hada chance to go there as a gift
to myself?
I really would like to, but whydon't you just tell us a little
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bit about it, just to make mefeel sorry that I haven't been
there yet?
Oh man, well, congratulations,number one.
That's phenomenal.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
Thank you.
And then I would say Make mefeel sorry that I haven't been
there yet.
Oh man.
Well, congratulations, numberone.
That's phenomenal, thank you.
And then I would say a coupleof things.
So they're located in northernKentucky, right below Cincinnati
, and actually if you fly intothe CVG, you're about 10 minutes
from the museum when you land,and so it's right there.
The museum is a 75,000 squarefoot walkthrough biblical
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history, opened back in 2007.
It's all started by a guy namedKen Ham.
He's the founder of Angels inGenesis, came out of Australia.
He started teaching on thisback in 1975.
So we're celebrating 50 yearsfor him this year, actually.
And yeah, that's really cool.
But really, what is thiswalkthrough of the biblical
history?
It's amazing.
It's just showing how the Bibleis true.
It's done in a world-class way.
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We say all the time it's true,it's better than Disney for my
money, the quality is better,the engagement, it's got.
Truth.
There's so much for the entirefamily.
And as we walk you throughbiblical history, we're
answering the skepticalquestions of this age.
If the Bible is true, whatabout evolution, the age of the
earth, who did Cain marry?
What?
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We're not scared of any of that.
Their answers to all of thatand let me encourage people the
answers aren't hard if you justhave a biblical foundation.
The answers are prettystraightforward, rooted in god's
work.
So the answer questions defendthe faith.
You'll see the gospel literallyeverywhere, because our passion
is pointing people to the goodnews of jesus christ.
That's our ultimate passiondefending biblical authority,
proclaiming the gospel.
And then at the museum we've gota planetarium which is just
world class.
There's an amazing show calledcreative cosmos unbelievable.
You want to check that out.
Special effects theater 4dspecial effects theater.
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A zoo, zip lines, botanicalgarden.
Just opened up a brand newconservatory butterfly house.
Uh, our garden is.
I'm not a plant guy, but it's,it's awesome.
It really is stunning,especially during this peak time
times a year.
Uh, and you can spend a goodtwo days, maybe three, at the
creation museum.
It's just in their speakersevery day.
Animal encounters, there's justI can't keep up with it all.
There's so much happening.
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And then the ark is locatedabout 45 minutes south of the
museum same ministry, just wewere landlocked so we need a
different location.
And so 45 miles south by 45minutes south of that, and it's
a full-size replica of noah'sOver 500 feet long, 85 feet wide
, 51 feet tall, three differentlevels and man.
It just makes the Bible come tolife.
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You're seeing it right there infront of you, the actual
biblical dimensions.
And then, as you go into theark, there's three levels of
teaching the exhibits so manyexhibits answering questions
about Noah's Ark and flood, rocklayers and fossils and geology
and the age of the earth and allthese different things and why
the issue of millions of yearsactually matters theologically,
biblically and connected to thegospel.
We didn't get that this time,but it's such a huge issue.
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If you embrace millions ofyears, you're putting death
before sin and death before sinis theologically impossible and
we explain why you can't havethat and so go to that more
detail both locations.
And then there are againspeakers every day at both the
attractions.
We have a 2,500-seat auditoriumat the Arkham Counter, a big
conference hall at the CreationMuseum, speakers like myself
every day, animal encounters,every day.
We have concerts at the ArkhamCounter in particular Coming up.
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We have 40 Days and Nights ofChristian Music and we've got
multiple artists.
If you're into Christian music,some big names coming.
Check it out on our website andthey're part of your ticket
when you come.
And it's just crazy.
So much happening and so muchstill coming, by god's grace.
So I know I'm walking billboardat this point like the micro man
trying to talk as fast as I can, squeeze as much as I can in,
but uh, it is.
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I tell people, like I told youguys earlier, it's.
I know it can be a long tripand somewhat costly.
By the way, kids 10 and underare free this year, so nothing
to keep in mind.
You got a bunch of kids 10 andunder.
Come on up, but it's worth it.
It's worth the investment.
And you know we plan trips tothe beach, we plan trips to
Disney World.
Why not plan a trip to a placethat's going to be awesome,
engaging, bringing the Bible tolife.
Your family have a great timeand it'll encourage them in.
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That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Actually you brushed it real quick, but one of the
reasons I became a Young EarthCreationist was actually Ken
Ham's conversation about whatthat means for millions of years
of sin, and that wouldn't bewhat God stated for original sin
and what you just brushed rightthere.
That was actually the momentwhere I changed, that's huge yep
.
And also one of the things youbrushed by is speakers.
I mean, there's speakers likeyou, there's speakers like Ken
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Ham who come there.
Speakers I mean there'sspeakers like you, there's
speakers like Ken Ham who comethere.
Uh, you get to hear from justworld-class speakers, uh, when
you're there, which really Imean to me, I know I'm a I'm a
Bible nerd uh, but that'd be oneof the most exciting parts for
me is just to be able to sit ina room and listen to those guys
talk.
Listen to those guys talk, uhwould be amazing.
Um so I, I listen.
I really appreciate this.
I think this is a great episode.
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I'm excited for just hearingmore about maybe getting you
back on and really digging intosome of the science and some of
the history and really, you know, testing the waters a little
bit more with some of thatinformation.
That's it Cool.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
Yeah, it's a great introduction, right, and it was
good to hang out, chat and getto know each other a little bit.
But yeah, I'd love to come backand we can dive deep about
day-age theory, theisticevolution gap theory.
We can talk about evolution,natural selection, mutations.
If you want to talk aboutradiometric dating, we can.
I mean it's you know, or rocks,We'll talk about rocks.
We can talk about rocks too.
Rocks are boring to me, but hey, we got to talk about them.
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We can do that.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
All right, Brian.
Well, today has been a lot offun.
Thank you very much for comingon.
You've mentioned the websitealready.
Do you want to give a couplemore shout outs to websites and
ways to contact you or contactyour organization?
Speaker 4 (38:40):
Sure.
So answersingenesisorg is ourwebsite and there are literally
hundreds, if not thousands, offree articles and videos on the
website.
So you can get any answer youwant for free just by going to
answersingenesisorg.
And they have long articles,short articles.
If you're the real Bible Biblenerd we got the journal answers
research journal You'd havereally deep and all that sort of
stuff.
It's all there, all for free.
And then they can go to YouTubeto see our YouTube page.
(39:03):
We get we got so many videos upon YouTube.
And then answerstv is our allstreaming platform.
We've got all of our stuffthere that has 7,000 plus videos
.
We have multiple shows foreverybody in the family
Educational stuff, entertainingstuff, all there for the family.
And then I've written threebooks Quick Answers to Tough
Questions, quick Answers toSocial Issues and then Woke in
Justice just recently.
And again, it's all by God'sgrace, but those are available
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at our website.
And my book's my first two.
It's just short answers.
I know we're Most people liketo read a whole lot, so each
answer is less than 500 words.
Answer stuff really snappyabout history and the social
issues in the second book, andso it's all there.
Many other great resources forour ministry and yeah, go check
it out.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Great Well, brian, we appreciate you being with us.
We hope we get to do this again.
Love hearing fresh perspectivesoutside of the three of us, and
we love to give thoseperspectives to our listeners as
well.
So we appreciate you coming on.
We look forward to it again.
So, guys, if you have anyquestions for Brian, make sure
to reach out to him.
If you have any questions forus, make sure to reach out to us
and let us know what you wantto talk about next time.
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We appreciate your time.
Thanks a lot guys.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Thanks so much.
Thank you, brian, see you guysThanks.
Welcome to the Boundless Bible.
My name is David Shapiro.
Hey, I'm Javi.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Marquez, and I'm Jason Holloway.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Welcome to the Boundless Bible.
Hey guys, how are you doing?
What's going on, guys?
How's it going?
Today is a special day.
We have a great guest.
Our guest today is BrianOsborne.
He's an incredible speaker andapologetics expert with a
passion for defending biblicalauthority and reaching the lost
with the gospel.
He's an author of Quick Answersto Tough Questions and Quick
(00:34):
Answers to Social Issues.
With over 20 years ofexperience teaching and
equipping youth and families,brian equips the believers of
all ages with biblical truth,helping Christians defend their
faith.
He currently serves on staffwith Answers in Genesis,
speaking at conferences andchurches all around the world.
Welcome, brian.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Welcome.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Great to be with you guys, happy to have you.
Yes, we are very excited aboutthis.
Before we jump in and startpicking your brain a little bit,
why don't you just tell us alittle bit about yourself?
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Sure, yes, I'm a little bit.
Why don't you just tell us alittle bit about yourself?
Sure, yeah, so I'm a Carolinaboy.
I grew up in North Carolina,born and raised, moved to
Tennessee when I went to college, met my wife there, went to a
place called Bryan College Notbecause of the name, but this is
where God put me and then I metmy wife there.
We got married, went tograduate from there, had a major
in biblical studies, minors inGreek Christian education Got
directed to me cool story, notime now but to become a Bible
(01:27):
history teacher in a publicschool.
I was in Tennessee, did thatfor 13 years and then, in the
course of doing that, got prettypassionate about apologetics,
in particular.
Creation of apologetics.
Started from the beginning andthen God opened doors for me to
go to Answers in Genesis about11 years ago, and so I moved up
here to Northern Kentucky,worked for Answers in Genesis as
a speaker, literally travelingall over the place.
(01:47):
Christian faith challengingnon-believers, written a few
different books, by God's grace.
If you ask my high schoolEnglish teacher, could this guy
ever write a book?
The answer would be a hard noand that's just not going to
happen.
But God is powerful and lovesusing weak things to shame the
wise, and so, yeah, now I workas a speaker, content, content
specialists and do all sorts ofthings with answers to Genesis.
(02:07):
And if you want to familiarwith who we are, we are a
biblical authority ministry.
We are really about defendingbiblical authority.
That's a heartbeat.
Now we give answers about a lotof origin stuff because that's
our focus in Genesis.
That's where the attack and thebig waste happening on biblical
authority.
Uh, but the whole point isdefending biblical authority and
the gospel rooted in thatauthority.
That's who we are.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
You're in good company.
By the way, I was raised.
I was dyslexic most of my lifeand I'm actually coming out with
a book this year, so the samething Praise God.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
My English teacher would have said there's no way.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
So you're in good company.
So just as a real easy, funquestion to start with, if you
can visit any site from biblicalhistory, where would you go?
Speaker 4 (02:49):
and why it might be the battle between David and
Goliath or the valley rightthere, I don't know.
It just sounds cool to me.
Of course, the most biblicalholy thing would be, say, where
Jesus was crucified, or the tomb, the resurrection, that's.
Probably that should be numberone.
But just think about biblicalhistory, david and Goliath,
seeing that firsthand, kind ofenvisioning that That'd be
pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I love that answer and, just out of curiosity,
teaching a Bible in a in apublic school, that had to have
been, I mean, political at best,but really difficult.
Tell us about that a little bit.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
It was a wonderful thing, a great experience.
That was in Tennessee, so therewas a different place.
It's not California or New Yorkor something like that and it
was 13 years ago when I startedman, or sorry, it was 11 years
ago, started 24 years ago, so itwas before some of the
craziness in our culture had gotso crazy, but still it was
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interesting, to say the least.
But it was biblical history, soI wasn't doing it wasn't
proselytizing we're praying inthe classroom or something like
that.
I'm going through biblicalhistory old testament, one
semester new testament andanother just teaching the bible.
And as a bible teacher, the rulebasically was I could answer
any of my students questions, aslong as I just used the Bible.
(04:03):
I did not give my opinion,which, if you know anything
about apologetics done rightly.
That's what apologetics is Justtell you what the Bible says.
And so it was a great trainingground for me to learn how to
answer from a, from the Bible onmany issues, because I taught
high schoolers.
They ask all the best andcraziest questions, so you got
to learn to kind of deal withthat from a perspective.
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So God was gracious in that.
But yeah, it was amazing Fun Ihad a great time with it,
especially that time in my life,and, yeah, I'm glad to be out
doing what I do now, butdefinitely got used in many ways
.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
What a training ground, though right.
Like you said, you got theseyoung kids who are surrounded by
society.
They're being filled with allthese different ideas and you
get to answer them using theBible, about the Bible, not with
opinion, not with you know,maybe even past tradition, but
just speaking directly to thefacts and figures of the Bible.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Oh yeah, no, it's phenomenal and I would honestly
say most Christians who benefitfrom that part of our ministry
is a lot of Christians have notbeen taught to defend their
faith, to think biblically fromthe ground up, to have a
biblical worldview, and since wehaven't been taught that, we
don't have to deal with issuesin a real, biblically effective
way.
So that was such a blessing tome.
God was gracious to do it andit's obvious now, looking back,
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he was preparing me for what I'mdoing to train Christians to do
just that.
Indeed, indeed.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Now with that worldview?
Actually, one of the questionsis in what ways have Christians
unknowingly adopted aculture-first lens instead of a
scripture worldview?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Yeah, well, it's multiple ways.
A lot of it comes out of bigbiblical ignorance, not knowing
the Bible, not knowing what itteaches, not being rooted in
God's word.
And then, of course, we'resaturated by culture.
We live in this culture.
And, and then, of course, we'resaturated by culture, we live
in this culture.
And so if you don't make aconscious effort to really think
through the ideas that it'spushing forward, if you just
basically, consciously orsubconsciously adopt them, then
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you'll be advocating for ideasthat are not biblical and you'll
hear slogans in our culturethat sound good on the surface,
like love is love.
Oh well, I mean love, love'sfluffy, love's great.
Yeah, we should be all for loveas love.
Oh well, I mean, love, love'sfluffy, love's great.
Yeah, we should be all for loveas Christians.
That sounds good, let's go forthat.
Well, you know what you got todefine love biblically and also
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to look at how they're definingwhat love is and then, be sure,
using the biblical definition.
So, whether it's about that, oreven about origins, and
defining what science is anddefining history and
understanding the differencebetween operational versus
historical science, and wherepeople get confused on that and
where people hear ideas aboutevolution and millions of years.
I think, oh well, that'sscience not really recognizing,
that's an interpretation basedon assumptions we did in a
secular worldview about history.
Then they embrace those ideasand just treat them as fact and
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try to squeeze them into thebible.
And that's what so manychristians unknowingly do.
They take popular secular ideas, think they're right and then
try to squeeze them into theBible, to try to make the Bible,
say, this popular cultural idea.
And when you do that, it'ssomething called eisegesis,
where you're trying to squeezeideas into God's word and that
makes you the authority overGod's word, which should never
(06:57):
be the case.
And so I think in a big way wesee that happening in many cases
.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
That's interesting.
Can I ask you a question?
You used a terminology I'm notfamiliar with.
You talked about operationalscience versus.
I didn't catch the first, Iforgot the first word.
Can you talk a little bit aboutthat?
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Oh, absolutely yeah, it's one of the big things we
talk about within the ministry.
So operational science versushistorical science or origin
science, and so the word sciencejust means knowledge or to know
.
But how do we gain thatknowledge?
We kind of call that scientificmethod, but it's kind of
science today, the method youuse to accumulate knowledge,
manipulate that knowledge andthen to make stuff to hopefully
bless humanity.
But you can break that down tobasic categories and ones I just
(07:37):
mentioned operational versushistorical.
And this is such a keydifference.
Operational science is here andnow science.
It's observable, testable,repeatable and falsifiable.
It's, uh, someone in alaboratory missing chemical a
with chemical b.
The result.
They repeat the process,accumulate knowledge and then
use that.
They get the same answer again.
Exactly right.
(07:57):
And, by the way, operationalscience is only possible because
the bible is true, because thegod of all things made not only
the tangible universe but hemade the immaterial universe.
He made the laws of nature, hemade the laws of logic and holds
them consistent.
So we can do science.
To begin with, I tell peopleall the time it's not science
versus the bible, it's sciencebecause of, yeah, the bible I
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tell my son that a lot actuallyI'm like you know.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
It's interesting that we don't take time often to
imagine.
Why do the cells in our bodiesstay in the place they are?
Why doesn't my finger justbecome a hand every now and then
?
You know?
Speaker 4 (08:29):
why doesn't?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
why doesn't my?
Why isn't the knuckle in myfinger a knee?
You know it.
There's not.
There's nothing causing thatorder, other than the fact that
jesus caused the or that godcaused the order, and that's the
origin of science right thephysics, the physics the
psychology, the science, all ofit behind it.
It all comes from that originalorigin, which is God.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
And you take it one step further.
Not just the material things,but also the immaterial, like
laws of science.
Why don't laws of gravityrandomly change?
Why don't we weigh 10 poundsmore than we used to?
Well, we might, but it's notbecause gravity changed, amen.
That's a different issue thatwe used to Well, we might, but
it's not because gravity changed, amen.
That's a different issue thatwe have to deal with.
Right, but laws of physics,laws of chemistry, laws of logic
, laws of non-contradiction, whyis it the case that you can't
(09:12):
have A and not A at the sametime?
Same relationship.
Why is that a law?
Why doesn't it change?
Why is it true, existent andexist everywhere?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
those laws come from him, come from his thinking
right and he does not change.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Amen.
It makes sense of the worldview.
The secular worldview has nofoundation for that.
So I love that's all.
A whole different category Ilove talking about too.
But get back to, uh, operationalversus historical science.
So operational, you do it herenow, it's observable, accumulate
knowledge.
Historical science is whenyou're living in the present,
trying to figure out whathappened in the unseen past to
bring about what we're lookingat today.
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So it's kind of like forensicscience.
You know, watch the CSIs,there's some of those type shows
where there's a crime scene,the crime's overdone with no one
saw it.
You get there.
There are clues.
You must interpret those clues.
You make assumptions about whathappened in the unseen past to
try to put it all together.
Same thing with origin science.
We have the present day world.
How did it get here?
Who did it?
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What caused it?
Why do we see these differentthings?
You must interpret present dayclues through a set of
assumptions about the unseenpast.
And here's the key If you startwith the wrong assumptions, put
your faith in the wrongfoundational authority, you'll
get the wrong conclusions.
And bottom line, gentlemen,there's only two foundational
worldviews Either God's word isyour authority and he builds
your thinking from there?
(10:29):
Trust the I with the account ofthe creator himself, or reject
God's word.
What are you left with Man'sideas?
You're putting your faith inman's authority.
Put your faith in one or theother.
We all got faith.
Just where do you put it?
And so, for evolution, what'shappened with that is you have
people come along in the 1800swho rejected biblical authority,
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rejected biblical history.
You try to explain all thingswith only natural processes, and
so they used a naturalistic,secular, humanistic worldview to
interpret all things, allthings, to make a guess about
origins.
And so evolution, big bang, isrooted in a rejection of
biblical authority, biblicalhistory, and an embracing of
man's word as the authority.
And so, but again, when you'redoing historical science, you're
making guesses based onassumptions, based on authority.
Operational is just here andnow science.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
So let me ask you because originally you were
talking about how there areChristians who kind of blend the
two.
They go okay, I believe in God,I believe in Christ, I believe
all this happened, but I alsobelieve in billions of years and
what science has told me, insecular science and all that.
And I, I actually started offmy journey when I first accepted
christ.
I'm like great, I'm a scientist, I accept christ, I'm going
(11:34):
forward and I believe that youknow, there's the gap theory and
that's kind of the one I stuckto for a while and I'm going.
Hey, you know that there couldhave been God also, a day for
him could have been millions ofyears.
And then when you get into theactual wording of it and the
translation, you realize no, aday is a literal day, and you
know all the arguments you'veheard.
Yeah, one of the things we dohere is we have three people
(11:57):
from three very different walksof faith one who is more literal
, one who's more symbolic andone who is just a faithful lover
of Christ and we come togetherand the translation becomes
something that we try to pursue.
We try to pursue the truth intranslation.
So somebody who is a Christianwho is saying, hey, I believe in
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Christ, but I'm also believingin this secular science that
I've learned growing up, whatwould you say to them?
As far as, where can they dosome research?
Where can they start gettingsome truth if they want to?
You know, they don't even knowwhat they don't know yet.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Right, yeah, hey, I'll first say this.
Now I've been there, I'vewalked that path, so I'm not
coming to this as someone whogrew up in a home that always
believed.
Six day creation, global flood,literal Adam.
My parents, my Christianupbringing we never talked about
it.
It wasn't something we reallydealt with that much.
When I got saved, I was 17.
Was in Christ, I was passionateabout him and I wasn't worried
(12:57):
about all this stuff, justtrusting Jesus and preach the
gospel and which it's not.
That's not in one sense, it'snot a bad thing, but in another
sense it can be.
If we were missing a key thing.
I'll come back to it in amoment.
But I so when I first startedengaging these ideas
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no-transcript years later, theguy really kind of opened my
eyes to number one, why itmatters, and then what the issue
is.
So why it matters.
In short, today, if you thinkabout it, people are.
You know.
We tell people just trust inJesus.
We tell our kids just trust inJesus.
You meet the guy on the streettrust in Jesus.
But those who don't believe,especially today, they're going
to push back and, in their mindat least, say this why should I
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trust in your Jesus?
Because the message ofsalvation through Christ alone
comes from the Bible.
And if I can't believe thefirst part of the Bible, why
trust the middle or the end?
You see, either all of God'sword is authoritative,
trustworthy and true, or none ofit is.
That's really the core issue.
If I can't believe what theBible clearly says in Genesis 1,
2, and 3, why trust John 3?
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Why trust Revelation?
It's an issue of authority andfor so many people in their
minds today, they think theBible's authority has been
undermined by evolution inmillions of years.
It's disproved biblical history.
So if the Bible's history iswrong, well, I can reject
everything else.
I can redefine morality,redefine gender, redefine
sexuality, I can redefinemorality.
I can redefine everythingbecause it's just up to me now,
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because I've rejected God's word, and so it's an issue of
authority at an evangelisticlevel.
That's really one of thereasons.
And then, as Christians, what wewant to do and kind of what
you're saying, we want to cometo the text and say what does
the text say in context?
I want God's word be theauthority.
And even if the conclusion isunpopular, if I'm being faithful
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to the text, reading it incontext, in its right literature
, right genre, within thebroader context of historical
context, all those thingsgrammatical, historical,
narrative type interpretation.
If I'm doing that correctly,rightly, and this is what it
says about marriage, gender,origins, well, that's what I'm
going to believe, even if theculture does not like it.
And then we're going to see.
As we do that, as we stand onGod's word and have a biblical
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worldview, an amazing thinghappens.
Science confirms the Bible.
We'll see that.
Real observations confirm whatthe Bible actually says about
origins, age of the earth,global gender, sexuality and so
forth.
And so for me, it was thejourney, was, you know, first
not worrying about it at all.
Then I got confronted with thistruth of wow, okay, if I
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embrace these ideas, I'membracing non-biblical ideas,
I'm undermining biblicalauthority.
And so I gotta make a choice.
Am I going to repent, submit togod's word, put my faith there,
or am I going to keep justtrudging on my own ideas and
still kind of try to trumpetthose over what god's word says?
And so it's about, it's amatter of submission.
And actually my wife and I bothsay that when, um, god got a
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hold of me on this probably, Iguess, 20 years ago now, um,
there was a reformation in ourlives because we had to do some
inventory.
Okay, we were compromising here, we didn't know we were, but
then we didn't know, but wefound out and so we started
saying, okay, well, where elsemight we be compromising God's
word and really doing a heartcheck there?
And God used powerful ways todo this today.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
So, brian, let me ask you a question, because we talk
about the importance of, youknow, leaning into the text
because of its authority.
Like you just said and I agreewith you a hundred percent I
think the authority of the Bibleis, you know, unquestionably
important, right?
So?
But now there's the there's thedifference between authority in
terms of literalism and meaningas well, right, I think there's
(16:32):
different people who take thisin different ways, and I'm I'm
not standing on one side of theother, but, um, I'm curious what
your thought.
In fact, let me be honest, it'snot that I do or don't stand on
one side, but I'm a person whowent to—I actually went to a
Christian college for my firstcollege.
I wanted to be a pastor, I wasin Old Testament, new Testament
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classes, and there was some verychallenging stuff that they
admitted was very challengingstuff in those classes, and I
asked one of the professors howthey got through this literal
reading when there's some thingsthat seem to be non-literal, or
contradictory, or controversialor any number of things.
And his answer was very clearlyyou know, I just have faith, I
believe in it.
I have faith, which was a greatanswer in context of what he
was thinking in his mind.
But to an 18 year old kid Ifigured, hey, I must not have
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faith if I'm having a problemwith this stuff.
Um, it must not be a thing thatI hold on to.
So literalism is one of thethings that pushed me away for
20 some years.
So I wonder how you wouldaddress authority through
literalism, or or if it's onlyliteralism, if it's literalism
plus metaphor and plus meaning,plus significance, or just where
you?
What's your stance to somebodywho's having a problem with the
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literalism or has been pushedaway because of it?
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Yeah, no, it's a great.
That's a great question and letme kind of miss answering your
first question a second ago formore resources to give to dive
deep into this.
Answers and Genesis dot org.
Check that out.
Go to YouTube, check outYouTube page Tons of videos
there to dive deep in all this.
But that's a great question,what you pose right now, and
there's a key word there and welike to say that we take the
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Bible naturally.
We read it in context, becausewe get accused all the time from
actually Christians andnon-Christians alike of being
over literal.
Like you're just literalist,you interpret everything in the
Bible Literally.
When Jesus says I am a door,you think he's got hinges and
swings back and forth, right,right, no right.
We read the Bible naturally.
We read it in its context.
So if I'm reading historicalnarrative, I read it as
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historical narrative.
If I'm reading poetry, I readit as poetical, and even in a
historical account someone mightbreak out in poetry.
I don't interpret their poetryas literal and that historical
account, because you just readit as what the context demands
and so you read it naturally andso that's that's taking the
bible at face value and lettingit be the authority and that's
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part of the right interpretationapparatus a good hermeneutic,
reading it naturally, and youcan follow, you can follow, you
can fall off the wagon on bothsides, of course.
Uh, for example.
Uh, people today and've beenthere and we can talk about this
.
Who will take Genesis and say,well, I don't think it's literal
, I'll try to interpret it in asymbolic way and make it long
periods of time and takepassages of the Bible, try to
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affirm that which is wrong andwe'll get into why that's wrong
in a minute and the others willtry to take political passages
and try to make them literal.
Right, we'll try to takepolitical passages and try to
make them literal.
For example, there is,unfortunately there's a decent
movement of people within theworld today leaning towards like
a flat earth ideology.
And for Christians who areembracing that ideology, what do
they go to?
Biblically?
They typically go to likePsalms, where it says he lays
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the foundation of the earth.
The earth cannot be moved.
It's got the rest of all thepillars of the earth and you got
the four corners of the earth,and in those passages it's all
about describing how the earthwill not be moved.
God's going to hold it fast.
It won't be destroyed randomly.
God's got it under control.
The whole point of speaking atthat point is God's got it, it's
not going to fall apart, butthey interpret it literally.
Let's take a political passageand interpret it literally and
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get a really bad conclusionbased on that so you can fall
off the wagon, either sideAgreed.
So that's why it's so importantthat the text is our authority
in its right, proper context.
And so when you go to Genesisin particular, what we deal with
so often, the text is literallyabout the most historical text
in the entire Old Testament,based on the Hebrew language.
Hebrew verbs are used.
The walk and second is, whichare cause and effect, and then
this happened, and then thishappened.
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The language there in Genesis,it's literally as historical as
it can get, and so the contextis historical.
And then when we look at dayfor Genesis the way it's written
, the context, it's a very 24hour day, and when you allow
that to be your authority, thenthat's your interpretive
apparatus for creation, originsand so forth.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yeah, so that's a really great point.
You know, you have to know thecontext of what you're reading
and whether it's a poem orwhether it's meant to be one of
any of the number of the thingsyou just said.
How would somebody who'sgetting into the Bible know what
are some resources that couldhelp them to know?
Hey, I'm reading this part andI should be taking it like this,
(20:57):
not like that.
Is that something that yourAnswers in Genesis organization
does or is that something elseyou know?
Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Of course, we tend to focus on Genesis.
Right, that's where we're atand the Bible's got so much
content.
There's some other greatministries that will deal with
some of the other books indetail.
We cover so much of biblicalhistory.
We have multiple curriculums,go through the entire Bible, all
biblical history and so likeour ABC curriculum, which is
good for homeschooling orchurches, definitely a good
place to start.
But as far as Genesis, ourwebsite answersandgenesisorg,
(21:26):
and our YouTube with our videosor answerstv, our streaming
platform, any of those sorts ofthings where we have tons of
teaching that helps break downwhy this is historical narrative
, why we interpret it withinthis framework, within the Bible
as the authority, and narrative, why we interpret it within
this framework, within the bibleas the authority, and how
science confirms it.
And it's really it's a funthing because once you do that,
the reason I think christianshave been so squishy on many
things is like they feel like,okay, I can't take the bible,
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but it seems to plainly say overhere, and so if I can't trust
genesis, maybe marriage orgender sexuality, the old
testament seems kind of like godseems harsh anyway.
So I'm just gonna stick Jesus,trust in Jesus, and they won't
take a stand on cultural issuesbecause they feel like they have
no foundational authority tostand on.
But when you take Genesis asit's written, plain history, you
have the origin of creation,order, the origin of two genders
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, the origin of biblicalsexuality, the origin of
marriage, origin and sanctity oflife.
That's all in Genesis, by theway.
The origin of the equality ofevery human being, made in God's
image, from for realization.
That goes back to Genesis,chapters one, two and three.
When you have that, you get thefoundation to address even the
social issues of our day in aneffective way.
So it's not just a matter ofwinning debates about origins or
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ready to make sure dating orjust the starlight, or who came
married.
We give answers to all thatstuff, but it's about defending
biblical authority.
That radiates how we answer somany other questions and then
how we stand effectively and besalt and light, like it has
called us to do, and so I'd sayour website is a great place to
start.
If you like watching videosyoutube, there's a ton there to
walk you through the bible'shistory.
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Have you understand what'sbeing said there?
I'd also say this, though ifyou're being honest with
yourself when you're reading thebible, if you just read the
bible and read it, just keepgoing through and read it.
Naturally it's pretty selfevident in many cases.
When you get the psalms, likeyou can tell if you're being
honest, like there's poetrygoing on here, yeah, you get the
proverbs, you can tell that's,that's someone, that's like you
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know, that's like you.
The, the old guy stroking hisbeard, giving you wisdom as he's
got.
Not, no offense against yourbeard, your beard's great.
But I'm saying like the Kung Fumaster, you know, back in the
day with a long beard, and youknow there's wisdom being passed
down there.
Those aren't absolute promises,they're general wisdom,
generally.
True, that's Proverbs and youget.
If you read Genesis, just readit.
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If you had no inkling ofevolution in millions of years,
if you just read genesis 1 to 11, you get just a plain,
straightforward reading of godspoken into existence
immediately.
Well, he's god, he can do that.
That makes sense.
And then he made man on day sixand there was eve, and then
there was the fall, and thenthere was a flood, there was a
global flood.
It covered all high mountainsof entire heavens.
I mean, you just can't get awayfrom it.
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The text is really clear and soread it.
Naturally you can tell uh thatI'm gonna.
I've been for a long time, somaybe I'm assuming, maybe
there's too much there, but Ithink there's a negative truth
in that.
But we help along the way aswell.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
I would agree with that.
I was going to say I love whatyou're mentioning before about
you know, knowing thosehistorical stuff or just knowing
the Bible more especially inGenesis and all that.
To me as I look further into it, it strengthened my faith more
to know that there has beenfindings, there is.
This is what it really means.
When it says Genesis means itis literally one day or two days
(24:26):
, whatever it is, and I thinkand I encourage anyone to
continue to look further, tolook at your website Answers in
Genesis I think it's incrediblewhat you guys are doing and
obviously having the museumthere and kind of seeing the
lifelike.
Oh man, it's amazing.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
There's so much there .
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Yeah, but I just wanted to just kind of double
down on that and just anyone outthere just listening, I think
knowing further into thehistoric of our faith and just
kind of what happened and howGod moved throughout you know,
his lights and all that stuff,um, it's only going to
strengthen your faith not reallypush your way, and I would, and
(25:02):
I would say too so again, brian.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
I was out of the faith for many, many years.
I only kind of came back in,maybe two, a little over two
years ago now.
I mean I I from from eight to18, I had a solid, solid
foundation, so I didn't walk inwith nothing.
But the one thing I've noticedcoming back is I'm going to go
back to that original thought ofauthority right when I didn't
have a sense of authority.
Everything had the possibilityof being authority.
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And so you're chasing andchasing and chasing truth.
And look, I think it's great tochase truth, I think it's great
to seek after truth and to tryand find truth.
But the funny thing is, youknow, you spend 25 years
searching neurology, psychology,you know philology,
philosophies, you know the whole, you know everything.
And it's funny that the truthyou end up finding is already
(25:45):
sitting there in the Bible, likeit was already sitting there
the whole time and like it wasgreat to search for it.
It's just ironic that it waskind of where it started, or
maybe not ironic at all, maybeit's ironic for me being the
moron who walked away and triedto go find it on my own.
But you know, I think thatauthority is so important
because now that I have it back,so many things fall in line, so
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much easier.
So many things are answered somuch more clearly and so much of
my life can be directed so muchmore simply, it just opens up
your you know, your eyes and allthat stuff.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Absolutely Go for it.
Go for it.
Just real quick.
I've been speaking ingenerality so much because I'm
trying to cover a bunch ofmaterial and get to bigger ideas
.
Let me just say I do wholetalks on rock layers and fossils
and radiometric dating anddistant starlight and natural
selection, evolution and allthose things.
And so there are other speakersas well.
We have PhD scientists ingenetics and geology and
(26:40):
astronomy.
They're really smart people inthose different fields.
If they go to YouTube they canlook up, just if they want kind
of layman's straightforwardunderstanding.
My name, brian Osborne, answersin Genesis.
You'll see me talk on dinosaurs, age of the earth, rock layers,
fossils hour-long talks.
They go pretty quickly.
A lot of visuals, like I dolike 150 slides per presentation
(27:01):
.
So a few jokes in there.
Good or bad, they're in thereall right.
So, uh, hopefully it's not stale.
So the answers are there.
If you want to dive deep, we'recovering a lot very quickly so
I know I'm kind of, you know,brushing or painting with a
broad brush right now.
If people want to go back andfind more, definitely look it up
on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yeah that'd be great, and you know, even talking
about it, I'd love to have youon again to talk about some of
that stuff more deeply andreally get into the nuts and
bolts of it.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
That's fine.
Yeah, quick question.
Just being a teacher right nowis actually the first time in
history, statistically, there'sa movement where young adults,
older teens, are actually comingback to the church at a higher
number than ever than ever, um,which you know as as a teacher,
it has to be, you know,rewarding and great to see, uh.
But how does apologetics play,uh into when a lot of these
(27:45):
students sometimes you hear thestatistics of when you go to
college uh, they begin to falloff from going to church?
How do you think apologeticsplays in to try to hold some of
these youth back into thereality and the truth and keep
them into church?
Speaker 4 (27:58):
I think, in a couple of different ways.
It's great to see, in somecases, where that's happening.
We pray for more and more.
That's our hope rightRepentance and return to Christ.
And I think part of what we'reseeing is this as our culture
has run headlong in autonomy,rejecting biblical authority I
can be my own God, and we'rereaping the fruit of that, the
more people are realizing well,this fruit is horrible, this
(28:19):
fruit is rotten Right and it hasno answers for my life.
And so the more you play thatout and let that happen, like,
oh, ok, you think about thetransgender movement?
Oh, my good heavens.
And there are heartbreakingtestimonies of those who have
been captured by the ideology.
Had you know, quote-unquotereassignment surgery.
Their bodies are mutilated orthey've been chemically
castrated with horriblechemicals to pursue autonomy.
(28:39):
Basically, I can be my own god,I can redefine my gender, and
then it doesn't fulfill them andactually they find out they're
more broken than what theystarted with.
And now they're maybe, you know, they're just broken.
They're looking for answers.
I think we as a church have anamazing chance, as our culture
reach this fruit, to say, hey,I've got the answer to be
looking for all along.
Right here, amen right, and soit's a great way to you know, a
(28:59):
great time.
Maybe the harvest is right, youknow, for bringing people in on
that, based on thinking.
So I think that's part of it, Ithink, as they're coming back
to show them, hey, you're right,they don't have answers, we do.
God's work can anchor you ineverything, not just eternity.
Yes, it anchors you in that.
It anchors you in meaning andpurpose and identity.
Eternal destination?
(29:20):
Yes, no doubt.
But it has relevance to today'sissue, to every facet of your
life.
It is the authority and hasanswers, whether you're talking
about finances, marriage, sex,sexuality, gender, race, racism,
critical race theory, wokeism,we're talking about origins.
It's got answers to all thisstuff because it's the word of
(29:40):
God and God gets everythingright.
And then, as you were saying,when you do that, the Bible
comes alive.
And that's something I foundteaching Bible history, Because
I talked to the Biblechronologically, I just taught
it a straightforward history andI answered their questions and
I could see it in my students'minds over the years, when they
begin to think, wow, the Bible'shistory is true, this is legit.
Well, if it's right over here,maybe it's right in the middle.
(30:01):
Maybe it's right at the endMaybe I should bow the knee to
Christ, you know, because theybegin to realize oh, this
thing's actually real and it isright and true.
And so as our kids come back,hopefully more and more, and
they want answers, as we givethem those answers, they'll be
more equipped and more rested ona sure foundation to have
answers to defend their faithand then to be the salt and
light God's called us to be.
You know, you look at 1 Peter,3, 15, jude 1, 3.
(30:25):
Those aren't suggestions.
Hey, if you feel like it, givean answer for your faith.
If you've got time, contendearnestly for the faith.
No, if you're a believer,you're called to be an apologist
in one way or another.
You're called to contend.
You're called to give an answer.
We're called to evangelize.
We're called to get out therein our spheres of influence and
make it happen to the glory ofGod by His power and force.
For His sake, we need to beobedient to that assurance as
(30:53):
they walk in the faith.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Amen, it's just pretty solid final word.
I do want to talk a little bitabout the Ark Museum, but just
before we get into there, isthere anything else you want to
offer listeners who arestruggling with trust in the
Bible in this age of skepticism?
Any last imparting words, likeI said, that was pretty powerful
right there, but is there?
Anything else, that's justhitting your mind that you just
want to leave us with.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
I would just share with them as they're listening
to this.
The Bible is true.
It's right about everything.
It tells us where we came from,that we are made in God's image
.
We all have equal value.
Because of that Are wedifferent, absolutely, but those
differences are glorious.
But we're so equal in valuebecause we're made in God's
image.
The Bible tells us that.
The Bible tells us we're broken.
We're broken by sin.
So we can look at this world.
We can see beauty those areremnants of God's original
(31:36):
creation.
But we see also so muchbrokenness, so much pain.
Why?
Because man's sin brought deathand suffering into God's
perfect creation.
Friends, god made it perfect.
We erected in our sin and sincewe to the last Adam, jesus
Christ.
We all have that need.
Because that reality is a worldbroken by sin, and that's why
(31:57):
we need a savior, because weneed someone to come in to pay
our sin debt for us, because wecan't do it, because God
requires perfection.
We can't be perfect.
So God came and he lived theperfect life.
He died on the cross in ourplace.
He paid the perfect, infinitedeath for our sin that we can
never pay and then rose from thegrave infinite death for our
sin that we can never pay, andthen rose from the grave,
defeating death which we cannever do Repent, put your faith
in him.
And so we had that need of thelast Adam because of the sin of
(32:19):
the first Adam.
All the Bible is true, tells uswho we are, tells us what our
problem is, tells us what theanswer is and where the solution
is, what lies for us ineternity.
All of it's true.
It's right about history,morality, sexuality.
It's right about salvation andChrist alone.
Trust all of it and as you dothat, you can stand on God's
word, you'll have answers, candefend your faith, and then we
can really be the salt and lightGod's called us to be.
(32:41):
If we'll just stand on God'sword, it's really not hard.
It may not you heart.
It's simple.
We stand on God's word, build abiblical worldview and as we do
that, we can then be to soundlike God's called us to be.
And so that'd be my word, myencouragement to those who are
listening.
It's my challenge to myself ona consistent basis but yeah,
god's word is true.
Trust it and you'll be thelight he's called you to be.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Amen, Appreciate that .
So with the Ark Encounter, Iwill say quickly when I had
graduated with my master's ofbiblical archaeology, I wanted
to go there and I didn't get achance.
And then I just graduated nowwith my doctorate in religious
education and still have not hada chance to go there as a gift
to myself?
I really would like to, but whydon't you just tell us a little
(33:27):
bit about it, just to make mefeel sorry that I haven't been
there yet?
Oh man, well, congratulations,number one.
That's phenomenal.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
Thank you.
And then I would say Make mefeel sorry that I haven't been
there yet.
Oh man.
Well, congratulations, numberone.
That's phenomenal, thank you.
And then I would say a coupleof things.
So they're located in northernKentucky, right below Cincinnati
, and actually if you fly intothe CVG, you're about 10 minutes
from the museum when you land,and so it's right there.
The museum is a 75,000 squarefoot walkthrough biblical
(33:52):
history, opened back in 2007.
It's all started by a guy namedKen Ham.
He's the founder of Angels inGenesis, came out of Australia.
He started teaching on thisback in 1975.
So we're celebrating 50 yearsfor him this year, actually.
And yeah, that's really cool.
But really, what is thiswalkthrough of the biblical
history?
It's amazing.
It's just showing how the Bibleis true.
It's done in a world-class way.
(34:12):
We say all the time it's true,it's better than Disney for my
money, the quality is better,the engagement, it's got.
Truth.
There's so much for the entirefamily.
And as we walk you throughbiblical history, we're
answering the skepticalquestions of this age.
If the Bible is true, whatabout evolution, the age of the
earth, who did Cain marry?
What?
(34:35):
We're not scared of any of that.
Their answers to all of thatand let me encourage people the
answers aren't hard if you justhave a biblical foundation.
The answers are prettystraightforward, rooted in god's
work.
So the answer questions defendthe faith.
You'll see the gospel literallyeverywhere, because our passion
is pointing people to the goodnews of jesus christ.
That's our ultimate passiondefending biblical authority,
proclaiming the gospel.
And then at the museum we've gota planetarium which is just
world class.
There's an amazing show calledcreative cosmos unbelievable.
You want to check that out.
Special effects theater 4dspecial effects theater.
(34:58):
A zoo, zip lines, botanicalgarden.
Just opened up a brand newconservatory butterfly house.
Uh, our garden is.
I'm not a plant guy, but it's,it's awesome.
It really is stunning,especially during this peak time
times a year.
Uh, and you can spend a goodtwo days, maybe three, at the
creation museum.
It's just in their speakersevery day.
Animal encounters, there's justI can't keep up with it all.
There's so much happening.
(35:19):
And then the ark is locatedabout 45 minutes south of the
museum same ministry, just wewere landlocked so we need a
different location.
And so 45 miles south by 45minutes south of that, and it's
a full-size replica of noah'sOver 500 feet long, 85 feet wide
, 51 feet tall, three differentlevels and man.
It just makes the Bible come tolife.
(35:39):
You're seeing it right there infront of you, the actual
biblical dimensions.
And then, as you go into theark, there's three levels of
teaching the exhibits so manyexhibits answering questions
about Noah's Ark and flood, rocklayers and fossils and geology
and the age of the earth and allthese different things and why
the issue of millions of yearsactually matters theologically,
biblically and connected to thegospel.
We didn't get that this time,but it's such a huge issue.
(35:59):
If you embrace millions ofyears, you're putting death
before sin and death before sinis theologically impossible and
we explain why you can't havethat and so go to that more
detail both locations.
And then there are againspeakers every day at both the
attractions.
We have a 2,500-seat auditoriumat the Arkham Counter, a big
conference hall at the CreationMuseum, speakers like myself
every day, animal encounters,every day.
We have concerts at the ArkhamCounter in particular Coming up.
(36:21):
We have 40 Days and Nights ofChristian Music and we've got
multiple artists.
If you're into Christian music,some big names coming.
Check it out on our website andthey're part of your ticket
when you come.
And it's just crazy.
So much happening and so muchstill coming, by god's grace.
So I know I'm walking billboardat this point like the micro man
trying to talk as fast as I can, squeeze as much as I can in,
but uh, it is.
(36:42):
I tell people, like I told youguys earlier, it's.
I know it can be a long tripand somewhat costly.
By the way, kids 10 and underare free this year, so nothing
to keep in mind.
You got a bunch of kids 10 andunder.
Come on up, but it's worth it.
It's worth the investment.
And you know we plan trips tothe beach, we plan trips to
Disney World.
Why not plan a trip to a placethat's going to be awesome,
engaging, bringing the Bible tolife.
Your family have a great timeand it'll encourage them in.
(37:08):
That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Actually you brushed it real quick, but one of the
reasons I became a Young EarthCreationist was actually Ken
Ham's conversation about whatthat means for millions of years
of sin, and that wouldn't bewhat God stated for original sin
and what you just brushed rightthere.
That was actually the momentwhere I changed, that's huge yep
.
And also one of the things youbrushed by is speakers.
I mean, there's speakers likeyou, there's speakers like Ken
(37:31):
Ham who come there.
Speakers I mean there'sspeakers like you, there's
speakers like Ken Ham who comethere.
Uh, you get to hear from justworld-class speakers, uh, when
you're there, which really Imean to me, I know I'm a I'm a
Bible nerd uh, but that'd be oneof the most exciting parts for
me is just to be able to sit ina room and listen to those guys
talk.
Listen to those guys talk, uhwould be amazing.
Um so I, I listen.
I really appreciate this.
I think this is a great episode.
(37:52):
I'm excited for just hearingmore about maybe getting you
back on and really digging intosome of the science and some of
the history and really, you know, testing the waters a little
bit more with some of thatinformation.
That's it Cool.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
Yeah, it's a great introduction, right, and it was
good to hang out, chat and getto know each other a little bit.
But yeah, I'd love to come backand we can dive deep about
day-age theory, theisticevolution gap theory.
We can talk about evolution,natural selection, mutations.
If you want to talk aboutradiometric dating, we can.
I mean it's you know, or rocks,We'll talk about rocks.
We can talk about rocks too.
Rocks are boring to me, but hey, we got to talk about them.
(38:26):
We can do that.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
All right, Brian.
Well, today has been a lot offun.
Thank you very much for comingon.
You've mentioned the websitealready.
Do you want to give a couplemore shout outs to websites and
ways to contact you or contactyour organization?
Speaker 4 (38:40):
Sure.
So answersingenesisorg is ourwebsite and there are literally
hundreds, if not thousands, offree articles and videos on the
website.
So you can get any answer youwant for free just by going to
answersingenesisorg.
And they have long articles,short articles.
If you're the real Bible Biblenerd we got the journal answers
research journal You'd havereally deep and all that sort of
stuff.
It's all there, all for free.
And then they can go to YouTubeto see our YouTube page.
(39:03):
We get we got so many videos upon YouTube.
And then answerstv is our allstreaming platform.
We've got all of our stuffthere that has 7,000 plus videos
.
We have multiple shows foreverybody in the family
Educational stuff, entertainingstuff, all there for the family.
And then I've written threebooks Quick Answers to Tough
Questions, quick Answers toSocial Issues and then Woke in
Justice just recently.
And again, it's all by God'sgrace, but those are available
(39:24):
at our website.
And my book's my first two.
It's just short answers.
I know we're Most people liketo read a whole lot, so each
answer is less than 500 words.
Answer stuff really snappyabout history and the social
issues in the second book, andso it's all there.
Many other great resources forour ministry and yeah, go check
it out.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Great Well, brian, we appreciate you being with us.
We hope we get to do this again.
Love hearing fresh perspectivesoutside of the three of us, and
we love to give thoseperspectives to our listeners as
well.
So we appreciate you coming on.
We look forward to it again.
So, guys, if you have anyquestions for Brian, make sure
to reach out to him.
If you have any questions forus, make sure to reach out to us
and let us know what you wantto talk about next time.
(40:00):
We appreciate your time.
Thanks a lot guys.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Thanks so much.
Thank you, brian, see you guysThanks.
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