August 13, 2025 • 31 mins
Grumbling in the face of blessing—it's a pattern as old as humanity itself. In this thought-provoking episode, we explore the fascinating story of the Israelites who, just three days after witnessing God spectacularly part the Red Sea, began complaining about being thirsty in the desert.
What drives us to so quickly forget divine provision when faced with new challenges? The Hebrew word for grumbling used in Exodus reveals more than simple complaints—it describes being stuck in a stubborn mindset that refuses to trust despite evidence of God's faithfulness. Sound familiar?
We dive deep into why humans often prefer comfortable familiarity (even slavery in Egypt) over uncomfortable growth toward freedom and blessing. This tendency isn't just an ancient problem—it manifests daily in our lives when we resist change, romanticize unhealthy pasts, or complain about minor inconveniences while overlooking major blessings.
The most powerful revelation? God continued providing for the Israelites despite their complaints. Water for their thirst. Manna for their hunger. His patience extended far beyond what most of us would offer someone constantly criticizing our help. Yet there were boundaries—when grumbling evolved into idol worship or when leaders tried taking God's power into their own hands, consequences followed.
Perhaps you're in a wilderness season right now—a time of transition, discomfort, or uncertainty. Remember that this is precisely where growth happens. Your journey through the wilderness isn't just about reaching your destination; it's about who you become along the way. And sometimes, your wilderness walk might be creating pathways for others who will follow.
Ready to transform your grumbling into gratitude? Listen now and discover how reorienting toward God as the provider of all things changes everything about how we face challenges.
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David (00:00):
Welcome to the Boundless Bible.
My name is David Shapiro, hey,I'm Javi Marquez and I'm Jason
Holloway.
Welcome back to the BoundlessBible guys.
How's it going?
Jason (00:13):
Doing well.
David (00:14):
Doing well.
What's going on?
Nothing.
I'm excited Javi's got thatactor smile.
I am excited about kind ofgetting into today.
This is something, I think, thathits home for everybody.
I know it hits home for me andI'm going to kind of set up a
story by saying you know, theother day I was helping somebody
and you know they were anythingI did for them.
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They were just kind ofcomplaining and they complained
when they first saw me and Istarted to help them.
They complained afterwards andthen they kept going and later
on they kept texting and youknow they would just be really
negative and kind of grumblingthroughout the day and really it
wasn't anything too serious.
It was something that to me isnot worth the grumbling.
But it made me kind of think ofwhat happened when we look at
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the Israelites, when they werein the Exodus, when God released
them from bondage, and thefirst thing they did was grumble
.
That they did.
So you guys I mean I'm sure youknow what I'm talking about I'm
sure you have somebody who hasgrumbled quite a bit and you're
looking and going what are you?
Jason (01:18):
grumbling, for, as you were saying that, I was actually
thinking that you might havebeen talking about me.
I might have been that personwho was grumbling the whole time
.
You know, you guys know, I justgot through this surgery that I
had to go through, and I feellike I've spent the last two
weeks grumbling, you know.
So we'll talk about that, but Iknow what it feels like to have
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a blessing bestowed upon youand to still be frustrated by it
, because not everything thatcomes with it is golden, you
know.
So what about you, javi?
Javi (01:50):
No, I can relate to that.
I think what was it about?
Like two weeks ago I actuallyshared that in my men's group
about, like man, I've beencomplaining a lot I don't know
what it is, and I was justchecking myself I realized that
a lot I don't know what it isand I was just checking myself I
realized that I'm really justagitated with a lot of things
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that didn't fine.
It might be a bother, but itwas no point for me to really
dwell on, no point for me tocontinue to just kind of let it
sour my day, kind of thing, if Ican say that in those kind of
words.
But you know, yeah, I docomplain, I do catch myself
really grumbling at times and Ihate it.
But one thing I've noticed formyself is I'm able to catch it
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early on, I think.
At least my wife tells me.
So I'm able to catch it earlyon.
Jason (02:39):
Oh boy that's it, so let's start the story.
So we're talking you're mostlytalking about Exodus here, right
?
David (02:44):
So this is in Exodus.
This is when God has alreadycome with the plagues, and the
last plague happens, thePassover.
And now the Israelites arereleased from Egypt and they go
and they now cross the Red Sea.
God splits the Red Sea andliterally three days after all
of these miracles, theIsraelites start to grumble.
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And this is in Exodus 15, 24.
So the people grumbled againstMoses, saying what are we to
drink?
So three days later, they'rethirsty and instead of realizing
that God will provide for them,they start to grumble, and
they're grumbling towards Moses,and it's not even toward,
they're grumbling against Moses.
So they're, they're upset thatthey were brought out into the
wilderness and they start tocomplain.
That's the first time, onlythree days after seeing all the
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miracles.
And it's funny because I thinkabout it all the time I go man,
I wouldn't have grumbled likethat, like you're.
You're with God right now.
Right, and the truth is, yes, Iwould have.
I definitely would havegrumbled as well.
Yeah.
Javi (03:49):
I think we all catch ourselves at those moments.
Which makes me think when theysay grumbling is it, is it our
modern day?
Grumbling Was it?
Was it something further thanthat?
Were they, were they losingfaith in those grumbling?
Were they complaining aboutsomething further than just
going oh my God, it's hot outhere.
Why would you take us away fromEgypt?
It's just so hot out here typeof thing.
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You know what I'm saying?
David (04:11):
It's interesting you asked that because I was going
to get to this later, but theHebrew word that's used right
now for grumbling is loon, andit does mean to complain.
There is a translation thatdoes say complain, but it also
means stuck in a stubbornmindset, or lodging and
remaining somewhere.
So they are lodging in thisstubborn mindset that they have,
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and that's the other definitionof the word, which brings a lot
of meaning.
Now.
Jason (04:39):
Yeah, for sure.
I mean, I think it'sinteresting too that they didn't
just grumble and complain.
And you know, and shortly afterthey're going to start, you
know, we're talking about peoplewho are going to start building
an idol after 40 days of Mosesbeing on a mountain.
So it might have started asgrumblings, but grumblings
always turn into, you know,turning around the other way and
and walking away from thingstoo.
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Right, like that's just thebeginning of it.
Right, like that's just thebeginning of it, but it's, it's
interesting because you know wesay I wouldn't grumble either,
but especially because, look,those guys saw a cloud of fire
that that you know came afterthem and came with them.
Like they literally were ledout of Egypt by a what a tower
of fire or something like that.
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I mean it's like this thetornado of fire.
Like you see, the tornado offire that's literally leading
you.
And a couple of days lateryou're like that guy, that God,
like what's wrong with thosepeople?
And you know, the first timeyou read it, you're we don't all
.
We, very quickly in thisconversation, put ourselves in
their position and saw it veryempathetically, like, yeah, we
know that we grumble, but a lotof times you read the Bible and
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they're separate from us.
It's another story.
You're reading about somebodyelse and you're just going look
at all these grumblers, look atall these people who are
complaining how can they do that?
God led them out.
That's so absurd.
And then you look around andyou go how did they put the
wrong milk in my latte?
And you're like wait, a second,hold on, hold on no-transcript
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that just show all thesedifferent.
Javi (06:37):
Was it plagues, right?
And then he got me out here andhe's not leading me forward.
Or I'm hungry or it's hot,right, he could help me out
through these things and he'sthat's fair too so maybe that's
where, maybe that that's acomplaint, maybe they're going.
Wait, you're the old god of this.
You can't just, I don't know,transport me to where you need
me to go.
Why can't you just, right, youknow, give me a, a nice little
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ride and ride off, rather than,like you know, I gotta walk
there kind walk there kind ofthing, you know.
Jason (07:03):
Yeah, I've got who has?
Javi (07:05):
perspective.
Jason (07:06):
Right, right.
I thought you were the God whodid all these crazy things, and
look what you did to get me outof here.
And now you're putting it on meNow.
Now I'm the one who has to go,you know, through all this
suffering and this hardship tofigure out where I'm going.
And yeah, I never thought ofthat.
I never thought of that.
Javi (07:21):
Think about that modern day right, when you are
complaining or stuff like that.
I think for me, when I thinkabout when I'm complaining, it's
because I know what it maybecould be or how it was, and
being that is not that way isuncomfortable.
Or it's like wait a minute,this is supposed to go out the
way I thought it was going to go, so it's not.
So I'm complaining now that itshould have went the way it went
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.
Does that make sense?
so, like right, I'm making aright or something like that,
like wait, I had the right away.
Why are you cutting me off,like, and I'm complaining about
this and to me it should havebeen the way it should have been
, and I'm thinking for them?
They're thinking like well,you're the god of that, took me
out of there, out of egypt, outof slavery for 400 years.
You, part of the I don't know,provide some food for us.
David (08:06):
Well, he did that, and the fact that he did eventually
yeah, Well, you have to rememberthat even when God came to
Moses and told Moses to go tothe people and tell them that
God is going to release them, hesaid go to the elders.
You have to remember these arepeople that did not know God.
They spent 400 years incaptivity with the Egyptians.
So they're looking at multiplegods.
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They don't really know this God, and so this God is leading in
the map and they're looking at,going okay, well, this God maybe
did whatever he could.
We're out, and now what?
You left us here to die.
What was the purpose of that?
Because they're still gettingto know him and it's not a
reason, it's not a way to allowsomebody to grumble, but I do
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feel like I'm going to give thema little bit of leeway and go
hey, yeah, this guy justperformed a lot of miracles for
you, but you've seen that for400 years, magicians and workers
of magic and the Egyptiansthanking the gods for all of
that.
So they're just starting to getto know this God and I think he
allows it, which is why, yes,they grumble about water.
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God gives them water.
He gives them water.
And they start to grumble aboutfood and God gives them manna.
But what's interesting is, ifyou start to look at, you know
the grumblings Exodus 17, 3, butmy people were thirsty and they
grumbled against Moses.
And then you have in Numbers 11, 1, they tell about the story
again.
They showed now the peoplecomplained about their hardships
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in their hearing of the Lordand it was when to them they
were angered and they werearoused.
So these people werecomplaining about the hardships.
But when you look at Exodus 16,2 through 3, in the desert the
whole community grumbled.
If only we had died by theLord's hand in Egypt where we
sat around pots of meat.
They're complaining about Mosesthe whole time and then all of
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a sudden they flip it to God andthey go.
No, we're complaining to you.
It would have been better ifyou just left us to die in Egypt
as slaves, cause at least wehad food there, at least we had
food.
Jason (10:03):
Yeah, it's incredible because at least we had food
there.
At least we had food.
Yeah, it's incredible.
I mean, I understand that.
I know what I'm like when I'mhungry too.
You know there's I think wehave to.
That's one of those times I canactually relate.
I'm like you know you're hungry, you were eating well, your
life amount of it.
It just tells you how much, ashumans, we are willing to put up
with in the name of comfort,right?
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I mean, look, they were theywere yeah, that that's about as
simple as it gets right.
They would rather be slaves andknow where they were sleeping
at night and the food that theywere getting, than have to go
out on this journey yep, that is.
David (10:36):
Yeah, I never really thought about the comfort part
of it, but yes they're.
They are definitely puttingcomfort above all else maybe not
comfort, maybe it's fromfamiliarity familiarity,
familiarity right there.
Javi (10:48):
This is something that I'm used to.
You know after a while thedevil.
Jason (10:51):
You know right that it's that you people stick with the
devil.
You know, yeah, right, you knowit's like this and this is what
they were doing.
They were sticking, but yeah, Imean, but it's.
This is what they're doing.
They're sticking with the devil.
They know it's familiar to them, it's comfortable to them.
Javi (11:02):
Change is not good for people, right they know what,
what to expect, in a sense,right.
So this is us speaking fromthis perspective.
We weren't there, but goingthrough that emotion and I think
about myself when God pushes meto do something outside of my
comfort zone, outside of thingsthat I'm not familiar with.
Just taking risks is hard, it'suncomfortable.
Jason (11:42):
It's hard.
It's hard, it's you know it'suncomfortable, you know you know
it's when you do it isuncomfortable, shedding of your
skin.
Right time and I'm just kind ofrecalling it now is that this
is a bigger story than the soonto be Israel.
You know people of Israel.
This is.
This is a story about change ingeneral.
This is a human nature storyabout what it's like when we
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have to, when we're called tochange.
If I have an addiction tosomething and I need to stop
that, I know I have to do it.
I know it's going to be hard, Iknow it's going to be better
for me and yet I'm probablygoing to suffer through the
whole process.
But that suffering leads me tomy promised land.
You know there's the long, thelong version of it.
Right, if I'm, if I'm addictedand I'm not saying, you know I'm
not saying anything If I'maddicted to certain food, or if
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I'm addicted to my social mediaor any of those things, I know
that I have to separate from thething that is in my past the
things that are comfortable tome, the things that I know the
comforts and the familiaritiesof which I have to be able to go
through some wilderness forsome time and I have to be able
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to be uncomfortable and I haveto feel that need of I'm thirsty
and I have to feel that need ofI'm starving.
And why aren't you doing thisfor me, why aren't you fixing
this problem for me?
And that's just not the way itworks.
You know, god's not the magicmaker who just one day just
takes all your problems away.
He gives you the path to takingyour problems away, and that's
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what I love about the story.
Now is, when I look at thestory, I see it much more like
this, like neural progression,or this like conscious
progression from one part ofyour life which is not good to a
part of your life which will bebetter if you follow God.
Javi (13:26):
Sorry, that was long.
It's not only that, but it'slike what we see here.
It's again another story sayingyou, going through this, you're
going to persevere, you'regoing to become different,
you're going to become a nation.
Not only that, you're going todo it and I'm going to get the
glory, not you.
So I think, as we see, thatwhen we do through our life and
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God pushes us, it's not only forgood, it's always for good, but
it's also for him to get theglory.
It's not through our strength,it's through his strength.
David (14:04):
And we see that you're going through the desert.
For them to make it outanywhere is through God's
provision and protection.
I also think it's a bit of awake-up call for us readers, and
the reason being is and this isa speculation, but these
Israelites, they don't know thisGod, like I said, and they've
seen him do what Really harshthings to the Egyptians and it
wasn't to them, but they saw itand now they're following this
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God who has done nothing butreally hard things to watch 're
in the desert, alone, in thequiet.
They're hungry, they're thirsty, and what we're doing is the
readers is going.
How dare you grumble at god?
And I'm going.
This story is also for us, thereader, to go.
You have no idea what somebodyhas gone through and we're so
quick to judge people and go.
How are you acting this way?
Meanwhile, like you, there arepeople who don't get the right
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milk in their latte and they'rethrowing a fit because this is
for us, the reader.
Javi (14:57):
But not only that.
They're following a God theydon't know, but they're also
following a leader that is notreally that great.
I mean, he really wasn't.
I mean he terrible it's youknow he wasn't.
Jason (15:06):
He wasn't known to be great.
Yeah, he really wasn't.
I mean he terrible at.
You know he wasn't.
He wasn't known to be great.
Javi (15:10):
Yeah, he wasn't known to be great.
Yes, not yet.
Yeah, yeah, but at the timewhen this is happening, he was
still struggling.
You know he needed aaron to doa lot of his speaking and and
you know help, which is good,it's fine.
But at the moment you'relooking at moses going.
Where are we going?
Next?
Smart guy?
Look at us now we're in thedesert.
You know type of thing.
You know I'm I make fun of itonly because it's, it's so, it's
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, that's exactly what they didso I'm thinking, I'm thinking
myself in that well, that's whatit is.
David (15:35):
It's humanizing that shoe .
Yeah, these are humans who arehaving human emotions and us, as
humans, are looking back atthem, having human emotions
going.
How dare you?
God is with you.
I wish you know what I would doit.
You know how many times I heardpeople say you know what I
would do if I was there and Godwas there, and the amount of
faith I would have to watch thatand I'm going no, you wouldn't,
because you're a human and thisstory is about humans.
Javi (15:59):
David, I was going to ask you so, even before they left on
the Exodus, they needed to rilethem up, put them together and
go.
Hey, we're gonna do this, we'regonna leave together.
Right, and they were still likereluctant, right.
A lot of them maybe went backright.
They were like they didn't justjump to the opportunity to go.
Let's go, moses, um, right, no,they, I mean you have to
remember that.
David (16:20):
You know they felt as though god was was on their side
.
He said, on your way out,you're gonna go and ask for
money and gold and all that fromthe egyptians, and they gave it
to them.
So I think the the leaving partfelt great.
It's hey, we are, and that alsois that human nature.
Jason (16:37):
You have that moment of excitement, of like I'm finally
getting what I want setting offfor your new adventure.
That's it it's.
David (16:43):
I wished for this and I prayed for this and I got it.
And then you go be where wherewe wish for it, because it's
it's always going to come with ahardship, and I think with them
they are, I'm getting releasedand I'm getting all this money
and this is going to befantastic.
And then it's whoa, there's abig river in the way and then it
gets parted and you cross it,you go okay, now there's a big
desert and there's no water andthere's no food and there's no
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shelter.
And it's just thing after thingafter thing, Ongoing Exactly,
and that lesson, to this day, westill have not learned well,
man, that's so.
Jason (17:15):
Look, you were talking about that and I'm sitting here
thinking like I used addictionas the example because you know
it's just one of the common ones.
But think about it If youdecide to play a sport, right,
and you think like, oh, I'mgoing to do this, like I'm going
to get really good at it, andthen like in six months, I'm
never going to practice again,no, you're going to practice for
the rest of your life andyou're going to have hard
practices and hard days and hardlosses, and like you don't just
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wake up one day and everythinggets easier.
You know, if you're, if you'restudying something, you just
don't constant up and back, andup and back.
And we are so quick to want tobelieve that this is the moment
where it never goes back.
This is the moment where I'm atthe high and I'm never going
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down and I'm never.
You know, and it's it's, it's soindicative of so much that we
do, because it's exactly what wedo.
I mean, how many days do youhave a you know, a great week
and then you're surprised thatyour next week isn't great?
Why would we be surprised bythat?
We should expect that.
That's literally the mostnatural thing to happen next is
we have a couple of great weeks,we're going to have a couple of
bad weeks, going to have acouple of great weeks, going to
have a couple of bad weeks, andlike it's just part of the
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process, and yet we don't we don.
David (18:21):
They are grumbling, they feel like this is the worst.
I'm thirsty, I'm hungry, so I'drather have died in Egypt.
And so this is that point,where they're going.
I don't like this at all.
I would have rather gone there.
And then what happens is, youknow, god sends snakes that
start biting them and poisoningthem, and they go oh, wait a
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minute, wait a minute, wait aminute, never mind.
And then God says okay, putthis symbol of a snake in the
air, let them look at it, andthey're like okay, I'll look,
I'm with you again, god, andit's really quick for you to go
back and forth, to go.
Whoa, I thought this was bad,but, man, this can get really
bad.
It could be worse.
Jason (19:01):
And then right afterwards you start to gr all over again
all over again and they justkeep doing the same thing and
it's like you're you're readingthe story from an outsider.
Again I'm going to repeatmyself because I think it's so
important from an outsider, youread this and you look at those
people and you can't understandwhy they're doing it.
It's like you guys are going tothe promised land, you guys
have been, you know, taken outof slavery.
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You guys are following you knowwho's.
Obviously they didn't know it,but that's kind of my point is
like we know the reader knowsthe future, so it's hard to see
where they were in that moment.
And if we could only read ourown stories, we would trust them
more.
And what we have to do, sincewe can't read our own stories,
is trust that God has alreadyread our story and know that God
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has already told us that thestory is going to be good.
So we need to read our ownlives, the way that we read
those people's lives.
We should be looking atourselves right now going why am
I doing this?
Why am I not just going homeand hanging out with my family
and enjoying myself?
Why am I so bent out of shapeover this thing going on?
Because God's already got it.
David (20:01):
I love that.
Javi (20:02):
Yeah, when you grumble and when you complain, it's the
lack of trust, like you'resaying, jason, and it is you
know.
Yeah, your lack of trust, butalso you're, you're the.
You're also saying to god thatI don't know, you'll be able to
provide, you'll be able to likeget me out of here.
You know what I, what I wastrying to figure out was trust.
It was like trust and the lackof being grateful for the things
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that he blessed you with yeahyou know, which is usually the,
I feel.
for me it's that like the firstworld problems, kind of thing.
Right, it's the, it's the wholereally here, look back, and
that's how I get out of it.
You know, for me it's like waita minute, god you, you blessed
me so much, you have shown me mylife so many times.
Why am I grumbling?
Why am I complaining?
You have your, I'm going togive it up to you.
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I'm just going to give it up toyou.
I need to let it go.
And then, minutes later, Igrumble again.
David (20:50):
What's really cool is, jason.
What you said is something thatI've constantly said, which is
the Bible.
You know how it ends.
You know how the story ends.
It's exactly what you said.
So we can look at it and go howcome you're acting this way?
Because we know they're goingto be fine.
Meanwhile, in our own lives, wedon't know the ending, so we,
along the way, we grumble.
What's really really cool aboutGod is you can complain to God,
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you can yell at God, you canget angry at God, and he was
still providing while they'regrumbling.
He wasn't saying well, you'rethirsty, I'm not giving you
anything.
Now you're complaining,no-transcript.
Javi (22:01):
Right, you know what?
Yeah, go ahead, tommy food.
But you know they stillcomplain.
God gives them.
You know they ask for food.
God gives them food.
He complains, you know, andafter 40 years of complaining,
even god had enough.
And because, as a truth, that'swhat happened, right, like
after a while, I think some ofthem, a lot of them, didn't make
it to the promised land.
They were, yeah, a lot of them,like the, the, the, the earth,
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kind of ate them, right a holeor open up a hole the punishment
.
David (22:26):
The punishment, yeah, the punishment from making the idol
was that none of thatgeneration would make it into
the promised land, right, um,including including moses, who,
who ended up?
He didn't right, not from theidol, but from striking the rock
versus speaking to it when hedisobeyed god.
But it, you know, god, yes, hewas putting himself in god's
position.
Jason (22:45):
Right, that's what he was doing.
I mean, he that moment.
I actually just talked to mywife about that the other day.
The reason was because he puthimself in the position of God.
It wasn't that he did somethingwrong, it's that he
particularly went and did whatGod said I can do for you.
He said I'm going to do itinstead, and so putting himself
forward made him as if he wastrying to put his own divinity
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or deitiness into it.
So yeah, that was that's animportant note.
He didn't just say you did abad thing, moses, you don't get
the promised land.
David (23:13):
But even that, god still provided, he still had the water
come out.
It's incredible even at thatvery moment.
So I just love what you said,jason.
It's just one of those thingswhere, yes, we don't know the
ending of our story and it issometimes hard to trust God.
We grumble through it.
God is okay with the grumbling,but he wasn't okay when the
grumbling turned to idol worship.
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And well, now you can't.
You can't handle this.
That's when it went too far.
Jason (23:38):
Uh but I and he wasn't okay when Moses decided to take
it into his own hands and notuse.
And you try to take it underhis own strength and not under
God's strength.
And those are important notesbecause for us, you know it's
not about gratitude practices.
You know that's not what thisis about.
This is about understandingthat that gratitude is towards
God.
This is not about, you know,being happy that the universe is
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providing.
It's understanding that Godprovided.
It's not being happy that youmade a paycheck this week which
got it going.
It's that God provided the jobto give you the paycheck to do
these things.
And when you keep your eyescentered on God first, that's
where you're glorifying God andthat's where you're living
correctly.
I mean, you're putting the onusof power and blessing and
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goodness on the one it reallycomes from.
David (24:23):
And what I love is that God wants to work with us.
So he's not saying I will, youknow, make you transform from
here to the promised land.
No, you're going to still walkthrough it.
You're going to still gothrough some things.
We're working together, and Iactually think that's the most
beautiful part of God is youdon't have somebody doing it for
you.
You're working together withGod, which is just an amazing
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thought on its own.
Jason (24:47):
God, which is just an amazing thought on its own.
Yeah, javi, I loved you said.
You know they asked for water,they got it.
They asked for food and theygot it.
They should have asked for anUber.
They could have just got rightin.
I mean, if they're gettingeverything anyway, you got to
know how to see.
This is about specific prayers,right?
Know what you're praying for,that way you can get what you're
asking for Specific prayers,right.
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The other thing I think isinteresting, guys, is that you
mentioned earlier that they werein the desert for 40 years,
right, and that generationdidn't make it, that generation
didn't make it.
So sometimes we're goingthrough the suffering, but we're
going to.
I think most parents know thisfeeling that sometimes you have
to suffer and it may not be foryour best interest, it may be
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for the best interest of who'scoming next.
And you know what.
Let's not even use parents,let's use spiritual parents.
Sometimes you know you might bediscipling somebody or walking
through somebody to their faithand it's not you that's going to
benefit.
In fact it might, even youmight suffer a little bit for
their benefit.
I know, david, you, youparticularly suffer a lot for
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people because you, if somebodycalls you, answer any time of
day or night and you know thatkind of, that kind of sacrifice.
You know it may not be you whowho wins, but you're doing it in
God's name and the people nextof kin or the next of you know
the next in in spiritual lineare going to benefit, and I
think that's really beautiful aswell.
David (26:06):
Yeah, I think if you just put things in perspective all
the time and remember that youknow whose we are and what
purpose we have in this world, Ithink that you know the
grumbling will never stop.
I'm an admitted grumbler.
I grumble constantly aboutdifferent things and sometimes
it might not be as as it mightnot be the wrong milk, because I
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take black coffee, but it couldbe.
It could be things thatsomebody from the outside will
look in and go.
That is so small.
Why are you grumbling at that?
And I look at other people thesame way, and the truth of the
matter is that the grumbling hasnothing to do with the item.
It's a heart issue.
At that moment it is.
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My heart is not in the rightplace.
Whether it's not on God, it'snot on the person behind the
counter.
Listen, the person who made mycoffee could have been having a
really horrible day.
I don't know anything aboutwhat they're going through.
Something's on their mind.
They put the wrong milk in.
I'm getting mad at themMeanwhile.
It really is a heart issue.
Is the wrong milk gonna kill me, unless I'm allergic?
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No, but I.
I think when you start lookingat at these stories, it really,
like I said it's, it's, it's forthe reader to look in and go is
this me?
Is even a little bit of this me?
And how do I change that?
Jason (27:24):
yeah, or how do I see the bigger picture?
Also right, like if you, ifyou're not able to change it,
which hopefully you canhopefully you can see it in
bigger picture and say this is asmall part of a much bigger
scheme and it's also natural,it's just natural to suffer a
bit Like it's not every day is avacation day, not every day is
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Christmas day.
You know, it's like I don'tknow.
That's what I'm taking awayfrom this conversation, like I'm
.
It's like every time I get tothis grumbly place, I'm like
surprised, like why Everythingwas going so well, why now?
And instead of saying why now?
Just to go, because that's howit works, that's where the
growth happens, no-transcript.
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And ended up in the promisedland.
By the way, they got to winbattles because of him as well.
You know, they had to fight atJericho, was it Jericho?
They had to fight at jericho,was it jericho?
They had to fight at thecanaanites where the walls?
came down yeah, the canaanites Imean.
So over those 40 years theylearned who this god is, that
he's strong, that he's powerful,that he wants you know all this
stuff and so I don't know.
I is where we learn and thisstory is this is tough when
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you're going through it.
Javi (29:03):
But totally, yeah, perspective, I like that.
You guys said the perspective Ithink it was you, jason saying
the perspective of having thatGod will provide.
God is with you, you know, orGod gave you this right,
everything you have already.
So when you're leading fromthat angle, you're leading
towards the world with thatangle, that perspective of God
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giving me this.
So whenever you lose it,whenever it's not going your way
, you cannot go.
Well, this is mine, this is youknow.
No, no, god gave it to me.
He can take it away.
And when you have that attitude, you could overcome obstacles.
You know, and I think that's agood perspective to have.
Jason (29:41):
Yeah, I agree.
I agree, Something we all haveto work on, I think yeah.
David (29:53):
I agree, something we all have to work on.
I think, yeah, I think, for me,my grumbling needs to turn more
into prayer.
When I am looking for somethingand I feel ungrateful, I need
to pray, pray for my heart andalso pray for what I want,
versus just grumbling for it.
It kind of reminds me a littlebit of, you know, a kid having a
temper tantrum, like not justsaying, hey, listen, I'd really
like this toy, but starting towhine and fall down and, you
know, throw his fist in the air.
Meanwhile, you know God, thefather's looking, going, really,
that's, you're not getting itthat way, that's not how it's
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going to work.
But when you humbly, you know,kneel before the Lord and just
ask, and you know he willprovide.
And it might not be in the timethat we want it, it might not
be in the nature that we want it, but he's there and he knows
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what we need and he will provide.
And I'm just like I said, I'mreally blessed by this story.
I know that it is veryconfusing to see why anybody
would grumble while God is doingthese amazing miracles, but the
more I look at it, the more Igo.
Man, they have me written allover them, and I do this all the
time, totally.
Jason (30:49):
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Welcome to the Boundless Bible.
My name is David Shapiro, hey,I'm Javi Marquez and I'm Jason
Holloway.
Welcome back to the BoundlessBible guys.
How's it going?
Jason (00:13):
Doing well.
David (00:14):
Doing well.
What's going on?
Nothing.
I'm excited Javi's got thatactor smile.
I am excited about kind ofgetting into today.
This is something, I think, thathits home for everybody.
I know it hits home for me andI'm going to kind of set up a
story by saying you know, theother day I was helping somebody
and you know they were anythingI did for them.
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They were just kind ofcomplaining and they complained
when they first saw me and Istarted to help them.
They complained afterwards andthen they kept going and later
on they kept texting and youknow they would just be really
negative and kind of grumblingthroughout the day and really it
wasn't anything too serious.
It was something that to me isnot worth the grumbling.
But it made me kind of think ofwhat happened when we look at
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the Israelites, when they werein the Exodus, when God released
them from bondage, and thefirst thing they did was grumble
.
That they did.
So you guys I mean I'm sure youknow what I'm talking about I'm
sure you have somebody who hasgrumbled quite a bit and you're
looking and going what are you?
Jason (01:18):
grumbling, for, as you were saying that, I was actually
thinking that you might havebeen talking about me.
I might have been that personwho was grumbling the whole time
.
You know, you guys know, I justgot through this surgery that I
had to go through, and I feellike I've spent the last two
weeks grumbling, you know.
So we'll talk about that, but Iknow what it feels like to have
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a blessing bestowed upon youand to still be frustrated by it
, because not everything thatcomes with it is golden, you
know.
So what about you, javi?
Javi (01:50):
No, I can relate to that.
I think what was it about?
Like two weeks ago I actuallyshared that in my men's group
about, like man, I've beencomplaining a lot I don't know
what it is, and I was justchecking myself I realized that
a lot I don't know what it isand I was just checking myself I
realized that I'm really justagitated with a lot of things
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that didn't fine.
It might be a bother, but itwas no point for me to really
dwell on, no point for me tocontinue to just kind of let it
sour my day, kind of thing, if Ican say that in those kind of
words.
But you know, yeah, I docomplain, I do catch myself
really grumbling at times and Ihate it.
But one thing I've noticed formyself is I'm able to catch it
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early on, I think.
At least my wife tells me.
So I'm able to catch it earlyon.
Jason (02:39):
Oh boy that's it, so let's start the story.
So we're talking you're mostlytalking about Exodus here, right
?
David (02:44):
So this is in Exodus.
This is when God has alreadycome with the plagues, and the
last plague happens, thePassover.
And now the Israelites arereleased from Egypt and they go
and they now cross the Red Sea.
God splits the Red Sea andliterally three days after all
of these miracles, theIsraelites start to grumble.
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And this is in Exodus 15, 24.
So the people grumbled againstMoses, saying what are we to
drink?
So three days later, they'rethirsty and instead of realizing
that God will provide for them,they start to grumble, and
they're grumbling towards Moses,and it's not even toward,
they're grumbling against Moses.
So they're, they're upset thatthey were brought out into the
wilderness and they start tocomplain.
That's the first time, onlythree days after seeing all the
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miracles.
And it's funny because I thinkabout it all the time I go man,
I wouldn't have grumbled likethat, like you're.
You're with God right now.
Right, and the truth is, yes, Iwould have.
I definitely would havegrumbled as well.
Yeah.
Javi (03:49):
I think we all catch ourselves at those moments.
Which makes me think when theysay grumbling is it, is it our
modern day?
Grumbling Was it?
Was it something further thanthat?
Were they, were they losingfaith in those grumbling?
Were they complaining aboutsomething further than just
going oh my God, it's hot outhere.
Why would you take us away fromEgypt?
It's just so hot out here typeof thing.
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You know what I'm saying?
David (04:11):
It's interesting you asked that because I was going
to get to this later, but theHebrew word that's used right
now for grumbling is loon, andit does mean to complain.
There is a translation thatdoes say complain, but it also
means stuck in a stubbornmindset, or lodging and
remaining somewhere.
So they are lodging in thisstubborn mindset that they have,
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and that's the other definitionof the word, which brings a lot
of meaning.
Now.
Jason (04:39):
Yeah, for sure.
I mean, I think it'sinteresting too that they didn't
just grumble and complain.
And you know, and shortly afterthey're going to start, you
know, we're talking about peoplewho are going to start building
an idol after 40 days of Mosesbeing on a mountain.
So it might have started asgrumblings, but grumblings
always turn into, you know,turning around the other way and
and walking away from thingstoo.
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Right, like that's just thebeginning of it.
Right, like that's just thebeginning of it, but it's, it's
interesting because you know wesay I wouldn't grumble either,
but especially because, look,those guys saw a cloud of fire
that that you know came afterthem and came with them.
Like they literally were ledout of Egypt by a what a tower
of fire or something like that.
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I mean it's like this thetornado of fire.
Like you see, the tornado offire that's literally leading
you.
And a couple of days lateryou're like that guy, that God,
like what's wrong with thosepeople?
And you know, the first timeyou read it, you're we don't all
.
We, very quickly in thisconversation, put ourselves in
their position and saw it veryempathetically, like, yeah, we
know that we grumble, but a lotof times you read the Bible and
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they're separate from us.
It's another story.
You're reading about somebodyelse and you're just going look
at all these grumblers, look atall these people who are
complaining how can they do that?
God led them out.
That's so absurd.
And then you look around andyou go how did they put the
wrong milk in my latte?
And you're like wait, a second,hold on, hold on no-transcript
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that just show all thesedifferent.
Javi (06:37):
Was it plagues, right?
And then he got me out here andhe's not leading me forward.
Or I'm hungry or it's hot,right, he could help me out
through these things and he'sthat's fair too so maybe that's
where, maybe that that's acomplaint, maybe they're going.
Wait, you're the old god of this.
You can't just, I don't know,transport me to where you need
me to go.
Why can't you just, right, youknow, give me a, a nice little
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ride and ride off, rather than,like you know, I gotta walk
there kind walk there kind ofthing, you know.
Jason (07:03):
Yeah, I've got who has?
Javi (07:05):
perspective.
Jason (07:06):
Right, right.
I thought you were the God whodid all these crazy things, and
look what you did to get me outof here.
And now you're putting it on meNow.
Now I'm the one who has to go,you know, through all this
suffering and this hardship tofigure out where I'm going.
And yeah, I never thought ofthat.
I never thought of that.
Javi (07:21):
Think about that modern day right, when you are
complaining or stuff like that.
I think for me, when I thinkabout when I'm complaining, it's
because I know what it maybecould be or how it was, and
being that is not that way isuncomfortable.
Or it's like wait a minute,this is supposed to go out the
way I thought it was going to go, so it's not.
So I'm complaining now that itshould have went the way it went
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.
Does that make sense?
so, like right, I'm making aright or something like that,
like wait, I had the right away.
Why are you cutting me off,like, and I'm complaining about
this and to me it should havebeen the way it should have been
, and I'm thinking for them?
They're thinking like well,you're the god of that, took me
out of there, out of egypt, outof slavery for 400 years.
You, part of the I don't know,provide some food for us.
David (08:06):
Well, he did that, and the fact that he did eventually
yeah, Well, you have to rememberthat even when God came to
Moses and told Moses to go tothe people and tell them that
God is going to release them, hesaid go to the elders.
You have to remember these arepeople that did not know God.
They spent 400 years incaptivity with the Egyptians.
So they're looking at multiplegods.
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They don't really know this God, and so this God is leading in
the map and they're looking at,going okay, well, this God maybe
did whatever he could.
We're out, and now what?
You left us here to die.
What was the purpose of that?
Because they're still gettingto know him and it's not a
reason, it's not a way to allowsomebody to grumble, but I do
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feel like I'm going to give thema little bit of leeway and go
hey, yeah, this guy justperformed a lot of miracles for
you, but you've seen that for400 years, magicians and workers
of magic and the Egyptiansthanking the gods for all of
that.
So they're just starting to getto know this God and I think he
allows it, which is why, yes,they grumble about water.
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God gives them water.
He gives them water.
And they start to grumble aboutfood and God gives them manna.
But what's interesting is, ifyou start to look at, you know
the grumblings Exodus 17, 3, butmy people were thirsty and they
grumbled against Moses.
And then you have in Numbers 11, 1, they tell about the story
again.
They showed now the peoplecomplained about their hardships
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in their hearing of the Lordand it was when to them they
were angered and they werearoused.
So these people werecomplaining about the hardships.
But when you look at Exodus 16,2 through 3, in the desert the
whole community grumbled.
If only we had died by theLord's hand in Egypt where we
sat around pots of meat.
They're complaining about Mosesthe whole time and then all of
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a sudden they flip it to God andthey go.
No, we're complaining to you.
It would have been better ifyou just left us to die in Egypt
as slaves, cause at least wehad food there, at least we had
food.
Jason (10:03):
Yeah, it's incredible because at least we had food
there.
At least we had food.
Yeah, it's incredible.
I mean, I understand that.
I know what I'm like when I'mhungry too.
You know there's I think wehave to.
That's one of those times I canactually relate.
I'm like you know you're hungry, you were eating well, your
life amount of it.
It just tells you how much, ashumans, we are willing to put up
with in the name of comfort,right?
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I mean, look, they were theywere yeah, that that's about as
simple as it gets right.
They would rather be slaves andknow where they were sleeping
at night and the food that theywere getting, than have to go
out on this journey yep, that is.
David (10:36):
Yeah, I never really thought about the comfort part
of it, but yes they're.
They are definitely puttingcomfort above all else maybe not
comfort, maybe it's fromfamiliarity familiarity,
familiarity right there.
Javi (10:48):
This is something that I'm used to.
You know after a while thedevil.
Jason (10:51):
You know right that it's that you people stick with the
devil.
You know, yeah, right, you knowit's like this and this is what
they were doing.
They were sticking, but yeah, Imean, but it's.
This is what they're doing.
They're sticking with the devil.
They know it's familiar to them, it's comfortable to them.
Javi (11:02):
Change is not good for people, right they know what,
what to expect, in a sense,right.
So this is us speaking fromthis perspective.
We weren't there, but goingthrough that emotion and I think
about myself when God pushes meto do something outside of my
comfort zone, outside of thingsthat I'm not familiar with.
Just taking risks is hard, it'suncomfortable.
Jason (11:42):
It's hard.
It's hard, it's you know it'suncomfortable, you know you know
it's when you do it isuncomfortable, shedding of your
skin.
Right time and I'm just kind ofrecalling it now is that this
is a bigger story than the soonto be Israel.
You know people of Israel.
This is.
This is a story about change ingeneral.
This is a human nature storyabout what it's like when we
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have to, when we're called tochange.
If I have an addiction tosomething and I need to stop
that, I know I have to do it.
I know it's going to be hard, Iknow it's going to be better
for me and yet I'm probablygoing to suffer through the
whole process.
But that suffering leads me tomy promised land.
You know there's the long, thelong version of it.
Right, if I'm, if I'm addictedand I'm not saying, you know I'm
not saying anything If I'maddicted to certain food, or if
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I'm addicted to my social mediaor any of those things, I know
that I have to separate from thething that is in my past the
things that are comfortable tome, the things that I know the
comforts and the familiaritiesof which I have to be able to go
through some wilderness forsome time and I have to be able
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to be uncomfortable and I haveto feel that need of I'm thirsty
and I have to feel that need ofI'm starving.
And why aren't you doing thisfor me, why aren't you fixing
this problem for me?
And that's just not the way itworks.
You know, god's not the magicmaker who just one day just
takes all your problems away.
He gives you the path to takingyour problems away, and that's
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what I love about the story.
Now is, when I look at thestory, I see it much more like
this, like neural progression,or this like conscious
progression from one part ofyour life which is not good to a
part of your life which will bebetter if you follow God.
Javi (13:26):
Sorry, that was long.
It's not only that, but it'slike what we see here.
It's again another story sayingyou, going through this, you're
going to persevere, you'regoing to become different,
you're going to become a nation.
Not only that, you're going todo it and I'm going to get the
glory, not you.
So I think, as we see, thatwhen we do through our life and
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God pushes us, it's not only forgood, it's always for good, but
it's also for him to get theglory.
It's not through our strength,it's through his strength.
David (14:04):
And we see that you're going through the desert.
For them to make it outanywhere is through God's
provision and protection.
I also think it's a bit of awake-up call for us readers, and
the reason being is and this isa speculation, but these
Israelites, they don't know thisGod, like I said, and they've
seen him do what Really harshthings to the Egyptians and it
wasn't to them, but they saw itand now they're following this
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God who has done nothing butreally hard things to watch 're
in the desert, alone, in thequiet.
They're hungry, they're thirsty, and what we're doing is the
readers is going.
How dare you grumble at god?
And I'm going.
This story is also for us, thereader, to go.
You have no idea what somebodyhas gone through and we're so
quick to judge people and go.
How are you acting this way?
Meanwhile, like you, there arepeople who don't get the right
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milk in their latte and they'rethrowing a fit because this is
for us, the reader.
Javi (14:57):
But not only that.
They're following a God theydon't know, but they're also
following a leader that is notreally that great.
I mean, he really wasn't.
I mean he terrible it's youknow he wasn't.
Jason (15:06):
He wasn't known to be great.
Yeah, he really wasn't.
I mean he terrible at.
You know he wasn't.
He wasn't known to be great.
Javi (15:10):
Yeah, he wasn't known to be great.
Yes, not yet.
Yeah, yeah, but at the timewhen this is happening, he was
still struggling.
You know he needed aaron to doa lot of his speaking and and
you know help, which is good,it's fine.
But at the moment you'relooking at moses going.
Where are we going?
Next?
Smart guy?
Look at us now we're in thedesert.
You know type of thing.
You know I'm I make fun of itonly because it's, it's so, it's
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, that's exactly what they didso I'm thinking, I'm thinking
myself in that well, that's whatit is.
David (15:35):
It's humanizing that shoe .
Yeah, these are humans who arehaving human emotions and us, as
humans, are looking back atthem, having human emotions
going.
How dare you?
God is with you.
I wish you know what I would doit.
You know how many times I heardpeople say you know what I
would do if I was there and Godwas there, and the amount of
faith I would have to watch thatand I'm going no, you wouldn't,
because you're a human and thisstory is about humans.
Javi (15:59):
David, I was going to ask you so, even before they left on
the Exodus, they needed to rilethem up, put them together and
go.
Hey, we're gonna do this, we'regonna leave together.
Right, and they were still likereluctant, right.
A lot of them maybe went backright.
They were like they didn't justjump to the opportunity to go.
Let's go, moses, um, right, no,they, I mean you have to
remember that.
David (16:20):
You know they felt as though god was was on their side
.
He said, on your way out,you're gonna go and ask for
money and gold and all that fromthe egyptians, and they gave it
to them.
So I think the the leaving partfelt great.
It's hey, we are, and that alsois that human nature.
Jason (16:37):
You have that moment of excitement, of like I'm finally
getting what I want setting offfor your new adventure.
That's it it's.
David (16:43):
I wished for this and I prayed for this and I got it.
And then you go be where wherewe wish for it, because it's
it's always going to come with ahardship, and I think with them
they are, I'm getting releasedand I'm getting all this money
and this is going to befantastic.
And then it's whoa, there's abig river in the way and then it
gets parted and you cross it,you go okay, now there's a big
desert and there's no water andthere's no food and there's no
(17:03):
shelter.
And it's just thing after thingafter thing, Ongoing Exactly,
and that lesson, to this day, westill have not learned well,
man, that's so.
Jason (17:15):
Look, you were talking about that and I'm sitting here
thinking like I used addictionas the example because you know
it's just one of the common ones.
But think about it If youdecide to play a sport, right,
and you think like, oh, I'mgoing to do this, like I'm going
to get really good at it, andthen like in six months, I'm
never going to practice again,no, you're going to practice for
the rest of your life andyou're going to have hard
practices and hard days and hardlosses, and like you don't just
(17:35):
wake up one day and everythinggets easier.
You know, if you're, if you'restudying something, you just
don't constant up and back, andup and back.
And we are so quick to want tobelieve that this is the moment
where it never goes back.
This is the moment where I'm atthe high and I'm never going
(17:57):
down and I'm never.
You know, and it's it's, it's soindicative of so much that we
do, because it's exactly what wedo.
I mean, how many days do youhave a you know, a great week
and then you're surprised thatyour next week isn't great?
Why would we be surprised bythat?
We should expect that.
That's literally the mostnatural thing to happen next is
we have a couple of great weeks,we're going to have a couple of
bad weeks, going to have acouple of great weeks, going to
have a couple of bad weeks, andlike it's just part of the
(18:19):
process, and yet we don't we don.
David (18:21):
They are grumbling, they feel like this is the worst.
I'm thirsty, I'm hungry, so I'drather have died in Egypt.
And so this is that point,where they're going.
I don't like this at all.
I would have rather gone there.
And then what happens is, youknow, god sends snakes that
start biting them and poisoningthem, and they go oh, wait a
(18:44):
minute, wait a minute, wait aminute, never mind.
And then God says okay, putthis symbol of a snake in the
air, let them look at it, andthey're like okay, I'll look,
I'm with you again, god, andit's really quick for you to go
back and forth, to go.
Whoa, I thought this was bad,but, man, this can get really
bad.
It could be worse.
Jason (19:01):
And then right afterwards you start to gr all over again
all over again and they justkeep doing the same thing and
it's like you're you're readingthe story from an outsider.
Again I'm going to repeatmyself because I think it's so
important from an outsider, youread this and you look at those
people and you can't understandwhy they're doing it.
It's like you guys are going tothe promised land, you guys
have been, you know, taken outof slavery.
(19:23):
You guys are following you knowwho's.
Obviously they didn't know it,but that's kind of my point is
like we know the reader knowsthe future, so it's hard to see
where they were in that moment.
And if we could only read ourown stories, we would trust them
more.
And what we have to do, sincewe can't read our own stories,
is trust that God has alreadyread our story and know that God
(19:44):
has already told us that thestory is going to be good.
So we need to read our ownlives, the way that we read
those people's lives.
We should be looking atourselves right now going why am
I doing this?
Why am I not just going homeand hanging out with my family
and enjoying myself?
Why am I so bent out of shapeover this thing going on?
Because God's already got it.
David (20:01):
I love that.
Javi (20:02):
Yeah, when you grumble and when you complain, it's the
lack of trust, like you'resaying, jason, and it is you
know.
Yeah, your lack of trust, butalso you're, you're the.
You're also saying to god thatI don't know, you'll be able to
provide, you'll be able to likeget me out of here.
You know what I, what I wastrying to figure out was trust.
It was like trust and the lackof being grateful for the things
(20:23):
that he blessed you with yeahyou know, which is usually the,
I feel.
for me it's that like the firstworld problems, kind of thing.
Right, it's the, it's the wholereally here, look back, and
that's how I get out of it.
You know, for me it's like waita minute, god you, you blessed
me so much, you have shown me mylife so many times.
Why am I grumbling?
Why am I complaining?
You have your, I'm going togive it up to you.
(20:45):
I'm just going to give it up toyou.
I need to let it go.
And then, minutes later, Igrumble again.
David (20:50):
What's really cool is, jason.
What you said is something thatI've constantly said, which is
the Bible.
You know how it ends.
You know how the story ends.
It's exactly what you said.
So we can look at it and go howcome you're acting this way?
Because we know they're goingto be fine.
Meanwhile, in our own lives, wedon't know the ending, so we,
along the way, we grumble.
What's really really cool aboutGod is you can complain to God,
(21:14):
you can yell at God, you canget angry at God, and he was
still providing while they'regrumbling.
He wasn't saying well, you'rethirsty, I'm not giving you
anything.
Now you're complaining,no-transcript.
Javi (22:01):
Right, you know what?
Yeah, go ahead, tommy food.
But you know they stillcomplain.
God gives them.
You know they ask for food.
God gives them food.
He complains, you know, andafter 40 years of complaining,
even god had enough.
And because, as a truth, that'swhat happened, right, like
after a while, I think some ofthem, a lot of them, didn't make
it to the promised land.
They were, yeah, a lot of them,like the, the, the, the earth,
(22:23):
kind of ate them, right a holeor open up a hole the punishment
.
David (22:26):
The punishment, yeah, the punishment from making the idol
was that none of thatgeneration would make it into
the promised land, right, um,including including moses, who,
who ended up?
He didn't right, not from theidol, but from striking the rock
versus speaking to it when hedisobeyed god.
But it, you know, god, yes, hewas putting himself in god's
position.
Jason (22:45):
Right, that's what he was doing.
I mean, he that moment.
I actually just talked to mywife about that the other day.
The reason was because he puthimself in the position of God.
It wasn't that he did somethingwrong, it's that he
particularly went and did whatGod said I can do for you.
He said I'm going to do itinstead, and so putting himself
forward made him as if he wastrying to put his own divinity
(23:06):
or deitiness into it.
So yeah, that was that's animportant note.
He didn't just say you did abad thing, moses, you don't get
the promised land.
David (23:13):
But even that, god still provided, he still had the water
come out.
It's incredible even at thatvery moment.
So I just love what you said,jason.
It's just one of those thingswhere, yes, we don't know the
ending of our story and it issometimes hard to trust God.
We grumble through it.
God is okay with the grumbling,but he wasn't okay when the
grumbling turned to idol worship.
(23:33):
And well, now you can't.
You can't handle this.
That's when it went too far.
Jason (23:38):
Uh but I and he wasn't okay when Moses decided to take
it into his own hands and notuse.
And you try to take it underhis own strength and not under
God's strength.
And those are important notesbecause for us, you know it's
not about gratitude practices.
You know that's not what thisis about.
This is about understandingthat that gratitude is towards
God.
This is not about, you know,being happy that the universe is
(24:00):
providing.
It's understanding that Godprovided.
It's not being happy that youmade a paycheck this week which
got it going.
It's that God provided the jobto give you the paycheck to do
these things.
And when you keep your eyescentered on God first, that's
where you're glorifying God andthat's where you're living
correctly.
I mean, you're putting the onusof power and blessing and
(24:20):
goodness on the one it reallycomes from.
David (24:23):
And what I love is that God wants to work with us.
So he's not saying I will, youknow, make you transform from
here to the promised land.
No, you're going to still walkthrough it.
You're going to still gothrough some things.
We're working together, and Iactually think that's the most
beautiful part of God is youdon't have somebody doing it for
you.
You're working together withGod, which is just an amazing
(24:44):
thought on its own.
Jason (24:47):
God, which is just an amazing thought on its own.
Yeah, javi, I loved you said.
You know they asked for water,they got it.
They asked for food and theygot it.
They should have asked for anUber.
They could have just got rightin.
I mean, if they're gettingeverything anyway, you got to
know how to see.
This is about specific prayers,right?
Know what you're praying for,that way you can get what you're
asking for Specific prayers,right.
(25:08):
The other thing I think isinteresting, guys, is that you
mentioned earlier that they werein the desert for 40 years,
right, and that generationdidn't make it, that generation
didn't make it.
So sometimes we're goingthrough the suffering, but we're
going to.
I think most parents know thisfeeling that sometimes you have
to suffer and it may not be foryour best interest, it may be
(25:28):
for the best interest of who'scoming next.
And you know what.
Let's not even use parents,let's use spiritual parents.
Sometimes you know you might bediscipling somebody or walking
through somebody to their faithand it's not you that's going to
benefit.
In fact it might, even youmight suffer a little bit for
their benefit.
I know, david, you, youparticularly suffer a lot for
(25:53):
people because you, if somebodycalls you, answer any time of
day or night and you know thatkind of, that kind of sacrifice.
You know it may not be you whowho wins, but you're doing it in
God's name and the people nextof kin or the next of you know
the next in in spiritual lineare going to benefit, and I
think that's really beautiful aswell.
David (26:06):
Yeah, I think if you just put things in perspective all
the time and remember that youknow whose we are and what
purpose we have in this world, Ithink that you know the
grumbling will never stop.
I'm an admitted grumbler.
I grumble constantly aboutdifferent things and sometimes
it might not be as as it mightnot be the wrong milk, because I
(26:28):
take black coffee, but it couldbe.
It could be things thatsomebody from the outside will
look in and go.
That is so small.
Why are you grumbling at that?
And I look at other people thesame way, and the truth of the
matter is that the grumbling hasnothing to do with the item.
It's a heart issue.
At that moment it is.
(26:49):
My heart is not in the rightplace.
Whether it's not on God, it'snot on the person behind the
counter.
Listen, the person who made mycoffee could have been having a
really horrible day.
I don't know anything aboutwhat they're going through.
Something's on their mind.
They put the wrong milk in.
I'm getting mad at themMeanwhile.
It really is a heart issue.
Is the wrong milk gonna kill me, unless I'm allergic?
(27:10):
No, but I.
I think when you start lookingat at these stories, it really,
like I said it's, it's, it's forthe reader to look in and go is
this me?
Is even a little bit of this me?
And how do I change that?
Jason (27:24):
yeah, or how do I see the bigger picture?
Also right, like if you, ifyou're not able to change it,
which hopefully you canhopefully you can see it in
bigger picture and say this is asmall part of a much bigger
scheme and it's also natural,it's just natural to suffer a
bit Like it's not every day is avacation day, not every day is
(27:45):
Christmas day.
You know, it's like I don'tknow.
That's what I'm taking awayfrom this conversation, like I'm
.
It's like every time I get tothis grumbly place, I'm like
surprised, like why Everythingwas going so well, why now?
And instead of saying why now?
Just to go, because that's howit works, that's where the
growth happens, no-transcript.
(28:40):
And ended up in the promisedland.
By the way, they got to winbattles because of him as well.
You know, they had to fight atJericho, was it Jericho?
They had to fight at jericho,was it jericho?
They had to fight at thecanaanites where the walls?
came down yeah, the canaanites Imean.
So over those 40 years theylearned who this god is, that
he's strong, that he's powerful,that he wants you know all this
stuff and so I don't know.
I is where we learn and thisstory is this is tough when
(29:02):
you're going through it.
Javi (29:03):
But totally, yeah, perspective, I like that.
You guys said the perspective Ithink it was you, jason saying
the perspective of having thatGod will provide.
God is with you, you know, orGod gave you this right,
everything you have already.
So when you're leading fromthat angle, you're leading
towards the world with thatangle, that perspective of God
(29:24):
giving me this.
So whenever you lose it,whenever it's not going your way
, you cannot go.
Well, this is mine, this is youknow.
No, no, god gave it to me.
He can take it away.
And when you have that attitude, you could overcome obstacles.
You know, and I think that's agood perspective to have.
Jason (29:41):
Yeah, I agree.
I agree, Something we all haveto work on, I think yeah.
David (29:53):
I agree, something we all have to work on.
I think, yeah, I think, for me,my grumbling needs to turn more
into prayer.
When I am looking for somethingand I feel ungrateful, I need
to pray, pray for my heart andalso pray for what I want,
versus just grumbling for it.
It kind of reminds me a littlebit of, you know, a kid having a
temper tantrum, like not justsaying, hey, listen, I'd really
like this toy, but starting towhine and fall down and, you
know, throw his fist in the air.
Meanwhile, you know God, thefather's looking, going, really,
that's, you're not getting itthat way, that's not how it's
(30:14):
going to work.
But when you humbly, you know,kneel before the Lord and just
ask, and you know he willprovide.
And it might not be in the timethat we want it, it might not
be in the nature that we want it, but he's there and he knows
(30:34):
what we need and he will provide.
And I'm just like I said, I'mreally blessed by this story.
I know that it is veryconfusing to see why anybody
would grumble while God is doingthese amazing miracles, but the
more I look at it, the more Igo.
Man, they have me written allover them, and I do this all the
time, totally.
Jason (30:49):
Totally, guys.
This was fun, as always.
No shocker, more things came upthan we anticipated.
I know I assume the same foryou guys, but we just want to
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