September 10, 2023 • 63 mins
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Walter Waite (00:11):
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The Boxing Breakdown Box (00:55):
what's up? What's up? What's up, and
welcome to another edition ofthe boxing breakdown. I am your
host Mark Roxy, and I am herewith my partner in crime. Mr.
Harold hunt. What's up, brother?
Harold Hunt (01:09):
What's up, man? How you doing?
The Boxing Breakdown Boxing (01:11):
I'm good man. Welcome back. Welcome
back today. To glorious day, wegot some much needed rain. And
I'm excited about that. Harold,I just wanted to take a moment
to welcome the guests. So forthose of you that are tuning
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can find us at the boxingbreakdown. And here we go my
friends, buckle it up, buckle itup, buckle it up, because today
we are going to talk aboutCanelo Alvarez vs Charlo. We're
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going to break that fight down alittle bit and hopefully pump
you guys up and get you excitedabout the upcoming fight. We're
going to also explore this FrankMartin and him pulling out
supposedly and allegedly pullingout of the Stevenson matchup. So
(02:39):
we'll get into that and thenwe'll we'll talk a little bit
about the Spence and Crawfordrematch. I think that we got
some news on that as well. Asyou can see Spence exercises
that rematch clause. And thenfinally we will get into Connor
Ben and his outstandingperformance, as well as biomax
(03:01):
arrest he apparently wasarrested in house got a bunch of
news on that. So without furtherado, my friends. Let's get into
this Harold, what you gotBrother, let's talk about this
Canelo Alvarez vs Charlo fight.
Harold Hunt (03:24):
As everyone knows, Canelo is going to be fighting
Charlo the younger Charlo andright now they're really being
very gracious to each other atthe press conferences and their
comments off camera. We're usedto Charlo being kind of
belligerent and arrogant, buthis tone this time is completely
(03:48):
different from from before. I'mseeing that he he's thinking
that he can be Canelo and allthat other bravado is not really
needed. Canelo on the otherhand, he feels like this is his
chance to really show the worldthat He is the best fighter
because in light of all thefights that's happening
happening happened so far theCrawford specified the other
(04:15):
fight with tank and Ryan oosikfight, he wants to prove that he
is still the best available sohe's gonna be really focused to
really fight well and and Charlois to now if you saw the press
conference, you notice thatCharles is taller, but he's not
as wide. The main thing I'mpulling from this right now is
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that Charlo feels that once hebeats Canelo he's going to move
back down and entertain butCrawford and right now who is
his comments are really towardCrawford right now. And I
believe that you know, mostly itshould be about his fight with
Canelo so Crawford seems to bein his hair some right now. And
(05:03):
I would entertain that Iwouldn't even have any kind of
talk about that. But it isbusiness because business
dictates that either way, if heloses the wins, he may have a
chance to fight. Crawford, so Ihave to give that to him.
The Boxing Breakdown Boxi (05:17):
Yeah, I mean, he, he came back Canelo
Alvarez did come out recentlystating that he felt that
Crawford was a very goodfighter. He has stated that on a
multiple interviews, but but healso said that he's only won one
big fight, he's really only gotone big fight against Errol
(05:40):
Spence. And there's not muchmore on his resume. So what do
you think about those comments?
Harold Hunt (05:45):
Well, he should say that he looks at his own resume
and see he's had huge fightsover the years. Right. So all of
those fights really qualify himto be where he's at right now.
Yes, Crawford has had just onefight that the world really knew
about. But if you throw out thenames or the fighters, their
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popularity and look at yourskill level, I feel both of
their resumes are on par.
Because Crawford did find somereally good fight is is to now
name value and seek value andthat type of thing, but they
were really great fighters. Hehad to prove himself and fight
quite well, ya know, had greatfighters, but they they had
cachet.
The Boxing Breakdown Boxi (06:24):
Yeah.
So Harold, I'm gonna pause justfor a quick second here because
what I'd like to do for ourlisteners is really remind them
that this Canelo Alvarez vsJamel Jamel Charlo is taking
place on Showtime pay per viewon September 30. At 8pm. Right,
this is going to be a prettypretty big fight and I have a
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feeling the Pay Per View numbersare going to be outstanding on
this one. It hasn't quite heatedup early on, like, you know, you
normally see these kinds offights heating up earlier. But I
do think part of the reason isthat, you know, a lot of people
are going back to school, youknow, the summer is kind of
taking a backseat, now peopleare getting back into their
(07:09):
routine. And so I think there'sjust like a little bit of lag
time here. But I think thisthing is going to pop off.
Right? So I mean, this is a movethat really is staged to make. I
mean it's gonna basically setthe world on fire as far as I'm
concerned in terms of boxing. Iwant to see this fight. This
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fight has a there's a lot ridingon this fight for Canelo Alvarez
and Jamel Charlo. So whoevertakes an L here. I think it's
going to be a big step back.
What do you think about thatHarold,
Harold Hunt (07:48):
and now can afford to lose a lot that they lose,
right? Only because he has sucha huge situation going on with
his career and his legacy. Aloss for him won't even step him
back. He lost the bill, will webe excused that right and
earliest could have really lostthe floor. And we excuse that.
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And if he loses here he'll he'llstill be excused. So he
understand that, as far asCharles can. Charlotte is
concerned, he has opportunity toreally make history he'll be
he'll be the undisputed at twoweight classes. And he went up
three classes to do it. So hehas a lot of thought a lot to
(08:29):
gain. But if he loses, hedoesn't really lose that much.
Because the excuse will be hemoved up. He is actually out of
his weight class. He's fightingCanelo and that type of thing.
Yeah, me. Both of those guyshave kind of not I'm a boxing
and dropped the ball. But theirrespect is rampid. And it's so
(08:51):
the respect is so prevalent iskind of caused all of the press
conference to be kind ofmundane, because they've had the
major press conference in LA andNew York, I believe, and it just
didn't grab you as such. Somaybe as we get closer, there'll
be some some back and forth.
Maybe Charles camp and canalscan't we'll get into some kind
(09:15):
of beef and spice it up. Butright now it's pretty mundane.
The Boxing Breakdown Boxi (09:20):
Yeah, well, folks, listen up. Canelo
Alvarez is 59 and two with twodrawers. So 59 fights, two
losses, two draws. Jamel Charlois 35 wins, one loss and one
(09:40):
draw. So this is a veryinteresting, interesting fight.
I believe it's for the IBF WBA,WBC and WBA titles that are on
the line. And this fight isgoing to be taking place as I
said September 30. I'll say itagain September 30. And He was
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also in Las Vegas at the Tmobile arena. So if you guys are
out west and you want to see areally good fight, make sure you
get those tickets. If you areclose enough to get to the T
mobile arena, you won't bedisappointed in this. This
program is going to be put on byPremier boxing champions. And
Brock has broadcasting live onShowtime, as I said before pay
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per view a pm Eastern StandardTime and 5pm Pacific time.
Harold Hunt (10:27):
So let me interject Yes. 68 is that 168?
The Boxing Breakdown Boxi (10:31):
Thank you, Harold. Yes, y'all. It is
at 168. I declined to say that.
And Harold's got my back always.
Canelo Alvarez is 33 years oldman. You know. So yes. I mean,
we're not saying he's old. Imean, we're not we're not going
down that road again, right?
We're not going down and roadlike,
Harold Hunt (10:54):
back and forth. But once they see it, he feels very
comfortable there. And to mewhen he moved to 175 and loss,
he was getting hit by a biggerman. Right. So to me, that's the
situation where, you know, hemay have an advantage, but
Charles stating that in thistraining he's doing he's
fighting light heavyweights inthis, that and the other. And
(11:14):
you know, he's working that wayto Morgan as a trainer. I guess
being a sparring with himheavier man and all that is
beneficial. But I don't know ifit really translates into actual
fight with a bigger man youropinion?
The Boxing Breakdown Boxi (11:27):
Well, well, Harold, I mean, I think it
depends on the circumstances,there are times where you know,
for work, you want a heavierfighter, you can exercise on a
heavier fighter, you can getyour combinations off without
the risk of getting hurt, soinspiring, you know, you may you
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may get heavier fighters to comeinto camp, because they can take
a little bit more of the theonslaught, you know, and they're
not going to be, you know, comein one day and leave camp the
next day, because they've got alittle bit more weight on them.
So there's some times that cancan help. I mean, I think in in
terms of developing a cache offighters that come in a team of
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fighters that come in to workwith you, fighter, it's nice to
have an array of different sizesand muscular types. And I think
the reason for that Harold, isbecause you know, sometimes
working fast is good, fastmuscle twitch, sometimes it's
good to work slower and be moremethodical with your with your
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skill sets, maybe work a littlebit more on your defense with
the punches coming a littleslower in areas and pockets
where you're not really thatgood. So there's a lot of things
that that you can do with thesize. And then, of course, you
know, when you have a smallerfighter and a faster fighter, a
lot of times what you're goingto get is you're going to get
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faster hand speed, you can getfaster movement, faster
reflexes. So if you're fightinga fighter that, you know, if
you're preparing for a fighter,that is quicker than you, you
may want to pick up to speedright. So there's a lot there.
And I really want to thank youfor asking that question,
because I think it helps thelisteners to really understand
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you know what, what that'sabout, right?
Harold Hunt (13:24):
True, true. So being both of those guys are
utilizing that type oftechnique, the bigger man, the
smaller man to kind of work ondifferent things that they're
going to work on. They're goingto use in the fight with each
other. My overall feel isterminal Sharla rather, is just
thinking about being focused andbeing opportunity that he can
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possibly win. And I don't thinkthat well he has said that he
believes you're not Canelo outnow I was watching a little bit
of pieces of Canelo recently,and Jacobs hit him with his best
left hook. I mean turn his headall around while engagement
right and it was clean and itwas right on the button and it
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was powerful. And Canelo didn'teven flinch. He took that punch
his head snapped to the rightsnapped right back and he
delivered a punch didn't take astep back. He didn't wobble
anything. So now with DanielJames who's a pretty heavy
hitter, I believe at that timebecause he was still in his
prime at that time, which hestill is prime ish if you want
to use that word, but at thattime, he was definitely in the
(14:33):
smack deck of his prime. He washitting Canelo pretty heavily
Canelo has a great chance nor
The Boxing Breakdown Boxing (14:38):
not only not don't you bring up a
great point, Harold, because notonly does Canelo have a great
end but your gym route JamelCharlo only has 90 knockouts in
his 35 fights. So I mean Ishouldn't say only because you
know he put 19 of them way withknockout right? But you know
(14:58):
when you look at CaneloAlvarez's knockout ratio he's
got I mean, he's got 39 of hisknockouts, 39 of the 59 fights
he's got have come by way ofknockout. So I mean, that's
fairly, you know, that's a lotof experience knocking folks
out. I disagree. Tell me.
Harold Hunt (15:23):
When Sharlto got with his new trainer, now, he
became a knockout artist. If youlook at the knockout that he
occurred after he movedtrainers, yeah, he was knocking
about left and right. And whenhe says, I'm a knockout artist,
he is a knockout artist with hisnew treatment, because the
(15:44):
narrative was changed. Theprocess was changed. The thought
process would change. Yeah, soin my mind, he is a knockout.
Knockout fighter. Yeah, ofcourse, it's his record is going
to say such but those werebefore he adapted his knockout
mentality and procedure. So heis a knockout fighter, and no
punches.
The Boxing Breakdown Boxing (16:04):
So Harold, I mean, that's a great
point you bring up and actuallyyou may be 100%. Right about
that. And if you're looking atthe percentages, if you're
looking at percentages solelyCanelo Alvarez knockout ratio is
66.1%. While Jamel Charlo isknockout ratio is 54.29%. So
they are relatively close.
percentage wise, if you'relooking at it on paper, the
(16:27):
knockout percentage is reallynot that far off. So to your and
I know, that wasn't exactly whatyour point was. But as I as I
delve into the knockout ratiothere a little bit more I can
see, you know, yeah, he hasn'thad as many fights. But you
know, his ratio is close. It's54%. So, you know, all I guess
what I'm saying is there, theseguys, you know, Eddie Reynoso,
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who is a very, very skillfultrainer, one of the best and
will go down in the Hall ofFame, no doubt, as one of the
massive most masterful trainersof our air. He's very, very
excited about this fight. Hebelieves that he's fighting that
(17:13):
he's putting his fighter in witha truly, you know, amazing
fighter. And that this is goingto really be a test for Canelo
Alvarez. But see, everything isnot always what it seems in
boxing. I look at this fight.
(17:38):
And I think this is a perfectstyle matchup for Canelo
Alvarez. For a lot of tacticalreasons. I see that Canelo this
guy is made for Canelo Alvarez.
And so maybe I'm wrong. MaybeI'm right. I've been wrong 50%
of the time. So you know, right?
(18:05):
I mean,
Harold Hunt (18:06):
who knows, record?
For me, that'd be vol, which isa name that may not be mentioned
here. If you go back and look atthat fight, yeah, evolve by
similar to Charlo. He does. Andwhen he does that has done that
against Canelo. You see whereCanelo breaks down, where his
style does not fit that type ofstyle. He can't really work with
(18:29):
that as well as he needs to. AndI think we spoke on this before
Floyd and Phil employed, thatstyle gets involved, employed
desta algorithm. They were bothsuccessful. Those are his
losses. Yeah. So we're lookingat Cannella. I mean, Sharlto
rather have an opportunity toeither emulate those styles or
(18:50):
not. If he does, he may have abit of he may have a chance to
do so. I'm sure he's looking atall that and knowing that, you
know, that is opportunity. Yeah,I'm just trying to get Canella
on in some of that power.
The Boxing Breakdown Box (19:04):
Right.
Well, look, I mean, I know thatthat Charlo is super, super
excited about this by theshouldn't be Yeah, he's super
excited. anybody in their rightor left mine would be super
excited to have an opportunityto fight. Soule, Canelo Alvarez
you know, standing at a recordof 59 two and to having this win
(19:26):
against a, you know, Hall ofFamer, future Hall of Famer
anyway, is really a greatopportunity for Charlo you know,
during
Harold Hunt (19:41):
this opportunity to get in the Hall of Fame also
because yeah, he is undisputed.
He is undisputed, there's nodoubt about that. And you know,
before his date type attitude,he was going to best trash
talkers and he was just youknow, polarizing. You know, we
enjoyed the angry Charlo rightenjoyed him. just just just stop
talking to her, we'd love that.
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But he's not doing that thistime. So it's different, but we
have to see how he's going towork it out.
The Boxing Breakdown Box (20:08):
Right.
And at the top of the program,you did mention that short, low
Charlo comes in a little bitbigger. And he does I mean, when
they stand next to each other,you know, there's definitely a
height differential there. ButI'm just wondering if that
height differential is kind of,you know, the same. You know,
that's kind of what Caneloneeds, he needs a little height
and his opponent, right?
Harold Hunt (20:31):
Yes, because Canelo style is, I was, I don't want to
say punching up. Yeah. But thatis what he does and is he's more
comfortable when he can deliverin such a manner. And you could
see the difference between whenhe fought people who are by his
same height or whatever. Andthen the ones who are a little
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taller, delivers punches alittle better and that type of
thing. So for him height doesn'treally matter.
The Boxing Breakdown Boxing (20:59):
No, you know, he some of his best
punches. Some of his best punchselections are things like you
know, rear upper cut up themiddle, a five to the body, left
hook to the body, shovel punchto the body, on the left side,
check hook on the left side, youknow, sweeping hook on the left
side, dropping the the rear, forto the body. Those are some of
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his best shots. So obviouslylending those shots against a
taller, more lanky er fighter,if you will, makes it makes it
really great for him to exercisethe punches that actually
produce the best knockouts forhim in his career. So I'm, I'm
excited to see about it, I thinkCharlo you know, Sharla is not
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an opponent to play withlightly. He's not he's a very,
very serious, skillful fighter.
Rough, rough fighter, he willmix it up with you on the
inside, he will trade with youon the outside, he'll he'll
sneak punches long range andfind those those those spots to
land shots as you come in. So hehas a lot of a lot of things
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that he can do in the fight aswell.
Harold Hunt (22:13):
His defense, to me is his weakest is weak, but it's
less than his offense. But likethat, right? I'm not saying he
has a weak defense at all. I'mjust saying it's the lesser of
the two. And that is somethingthat Canelo could possibly
exploit because when you attackyou leave yourself open to be
attacked. Right and he isdefinitely an attacker. So when
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you do that you leave yourselfavailable. Yeah, not only father
I know we do that and get awaywith it very clearly as your
career but we're not talkingabout him.
The Boxing Breakdown Boxi (22:43):
Yeah, but not Yeah, that is,
Harold Hunt (22:46):
but that is what shark Sharla may have to be
mindful of as Canelo is lookingfor him to attack so he can
counter
The Boxing Breakdown Boxi (22:56):
that.
Well hopefully Derek James has,which is actually Jamal Charlo
is trainer has a lot of thingsin in planned, you know in mind
to deliver to a Mr. Solo CaneloAlvarez you would need to have
quite an arsenal to get inthere. Come September 30. And
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I'm excited. I know this isgoing to be the undercard is
going to be pretty stacked aswell. It's going to feature a
lot of really, really goodfighters. There are formal
former title holders on thatcard. It's gonna be everything
from 147 to 160. Woohoo. Andagain, folks, before we move on
(23:41):
here, it is going to be onShowtime pay per view. this
coming Saturday, September 30.
Listen, do not miss that fight.
Okay, Harold. So let's moveright along here. Boom, boom,
boom. Let's get ourselves overto Frank Martin. Tell me about
(24:05):
what's happening with FrankMartin. I understand that he
pulled out in the fight which ofcourse Stephenson What's that
bout?
Harold Hunt (24:16):
Right now the world the boxing world is shook up.
Everyone is doing emergencyvideo podcast courtesy articles
and that is just shaking up theword only because this isn't
something that's done Presidentit hasn't happened. But in this
manner in such a such a while.
As you know, Frank Martin didsign up to fight. Stevenson, and
(24:41):
everyone was happy about thatright. at the ninth hour. He
pulled out of the fight now.
This is the particularsAccording to ESPN and Dan
Rayfield. contracts were signedAs they were to be signed, and
(25:02):
everyone was signed it andeveryone was ready to to just
get the final signatures, and hepulled it out. Right. Martin is
forfeiting a million dollarpayday. I suspect. I don't know
if this is true, but I don'tknow if he's ever made over 200
grand for a fight, or I mean,ever made that much I don't
believe but this is a milliondollar fight right now, we're
(25:23):
just effectively does is it kindof tarnished his eyes and
tortures him in the eyes of theboxing fans, we're saying,
You're scared now he's notscared, like that. But there's
other factors that we don't knowabout. But this is the
ramification of doing what hedid. When you win the Oscar as
an actor, yeah. When you doanother film, even if that film
(25:44):
is trash, they gotta pay you forhaving that Oscar. They gotta
pay you that. So the movie maynot do anything, but you're
gonna get your number becauseyou have that Oscar. Once you
make a million dollars, when youlose your next fight, they have
to pay you at round that rentperiod, because now you have
graduated that financial range,and that's where you are, he
(26:05):
left that he negated thatopportunity. So now he's gonna
go back to the low to hundredsto hundreds or whatever it was,
I don't know what he gotpreviously. But if he had a took
despite, win or lose, he wouldhave to be paid around a million
dollars every time he fought forthe rest of his career. Now he
has get back into position whereyou can make that kind of money
with someone who wants to fighthim at that kind of number. We
(26:29):
know Stevenson brings that kindof number for him. That was
number one. Number two, theboxing fans like what's going
on, they don't understandthere's politics and this and
that and financials, all that.
All right, he pulled out lastnight he chickened out now, his
name is Frank Moore and thelittle skull book going around.
I'm not trying to say anythingnegative, but it's kind of
apropos because people havelittle names for different
(26:51):
people. But what they're sayingis, he is now Frank Perdue, the
chicken man, so that's kind ofcute, I would think, but I think
he can really turn that aroundby fighting someone quit and
then go right back to Shakur,because he's shaking man, you
know, and, you know, but that'swhat the world is gonna look at.
So he hasn't said any. He hasn'tgiven any kind of explanation
(27:13):
why he did that. But so twothings he has lost. As of now,
the guarantee paid a milliondollars. The guarantee paydays
overwhelming us for subsequenttimes, the way the way the
Boston Public is looking at him.
So we have yet to find outexactly what happened if Al
(27:33):
Heyman was involved. If theydidn't think it was feasible. We
just don't know. But it went toyou went so far, just to be cast
aside.
The Boxing Breakdown Boxin (27:42):
Wow, this is, you know, I'm shaking
my head on this one. Because,you know, we've been talking
about your course Stevenson for,you know, six months or more
about who he's going to fightand the fact that he is one of
the pound for pound bestfighters out there. Problem is
he doesn't get a chance to showit because nobody wants to fight
him. And it's pulling out more.
Yeah, yeah. It's, it's, it's anawful situation for sure. It's
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not much better for top rank,right? I mean, because they need
their fighter in the fight. Theyneed to be able to put him out
there so they can build himafter all of the investment that
they've spent. shakur has onlygot 20 fights. Right. And I
don't mean like he's only yet 20fights. He's got 10 knockouts in
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the 20 fights. And, you know,that's a 50% knockout ratio.
It's not bad. It's close toJamel Charlo a trillion dollars
only 54%. So he can keep thatrolling. You know, he might even
be able to lift that up as hegrows into his body and get
stronger and stronger and moreexperienced in the ring. But the
problem is he's not getting thefight. He can't get any fights.
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And the thing about this despitewas supposed to take place at
135 pounds. Frank Martin doesthe South Pole. very crafty very
skillful southpaw. I was excitedto see this fight because my
thought was oh, Shakur reallyput himself in deep here or his
his camp put him in pretty deephere and what's that about?
(29:11):
Right this is gonna be he'sgonna really have to prove
himself. So, you know, I mean,we never know what's happening
in the back. This was also goingto be for the vacant WBC
lightweight title, which wasvacated by
Harold Hunt (29:33):
Devin Haney. And Haney have the one exactly 140
So you could find a reducedprogress, but you're curious
hurt by this too. Yes. His hisand his his illness. His number
is guaranteed. They're gonna saywe have to pay you less. Yeah.
So he comes down as far as whathe's supposed to be paid unless
it was a guarantee that hewould. The contracts weren't
(29:54):
signed. They can renegotiateeverybody else. But So was
The Boxing Breakdown Boxin (29:58):
this a situation where top Franck
shot over the contract to the tothe band camp being camp and
they didn't like the terms orwhat the terms agreed upon
contract was sent for signatureand and it just wasn't signed
Harold Hunt (30:15):
everything was agreed upon and so all you have
to assign it whatever clausecame up or whatever concern came
up right came up at the verylast minute he he said no so if
you're not going to sign thecontract you're going to voice
that this that doesn't go welland then you can hear about a
week ahead of time or you know,whatever, but where you are
(30:38):
right there at the signing tablehowever their power they're
doing it and then you pull outthe very last minute and you
don't know what exactly what itwas and we still don't know
exactly what it was. That's justsuspect to the fans. Yeah,
family mark you and I knowthere's so much more in the
background that we don't knowthat really can cause this type
of thing to happen. But thepeople outside who are not privy
(31:01):
or who don't choose be prebecause some people say yeah, I
know how that stuff works, but Idon't care about that. I'm a fan
and I want this to happen. Thosepeople are somewhat no surprise
so this is where we're at rightnow with them. I don't know how
it's gonna work out now. Anotherfighter wants to go ahead and
fight him I believe his name isSandra ball he's like number
(31:25):
five down there Yeah. And he'she's this is his opportunity to
really you know get himself inthe limelight fight you were no
one else question how manypeople pulled out before Frank
three people pulled out of notethey pulled out Yeah, so the
fight may still go on or not wejust don't know Mark
The Boxing Breakdown Boxi (31:44):
right it was a fight was scheduled for
I believe no in November right.
That was scheduled for Novembervenues
Harold Hunt (31:50):
were lined up one in New York and one was in
Vegas. So we don't even knowwhat venue pulled out if you're
going to have the venue if theseating is you know, they still
want to do it if the other guycan even sell tickets. All of
that it's just all up in the air
The Boxing Breakdown Box (32:04):
sloppy sloppy. Sloppy. Everybody sloppy
you guys come on top rank andPVC and all you guys got to get
this thing together so we canmake this fight. So core needs
this fight. And you know, Conorven needs this fight too. Or I'm
sorry, Connor bet. Frank Martinis just fine, too. You know, I
(32:26):
mean, if he doesn't get
Harold Hunt (32:27):
the opportunity to thrust himself in space, yeah.
Even if he lost, it's kind oflike if you lose to Floyd,
you're gonna pass. Yeah, if youlose a secure Who is he will be
a one of the greatest fightersof all time, just because his
skill set is so sublime. He'seven gotten even into what he
can really do. So you lose himearly in your career and his
(32:51):
career. It's okay. You can takethat loss and still be a viable
candidate to the promoters thatworks in the fans, but he's just
sidestepping them for whateverreason. I'm not criticizing but
he's, it is happening. It'shappened,
The Boxing Breakdown Boxing (33:08):
ya know, and it's just, you know,
she, of course, Stevens and ifyou're listening, this is not
the first time a fighter isavoided, like the plague. You've
spent your life training to bean amazing fighter. You've
developed the skills of anamazing fighter. You have the
(33:29):
pedigree of an amazing fighter,you've been trained to be an
amazing fighter. And so becauseof that, people are going to
avoid you. They are going tohave to eventually fight you.
Okay, because eventually,they're you are, they're gonna
have to come through you. So,you know, good luck with it. All
(33:50):
I'm saying is that we reallywant to see your core up on the
big big stage. Sure Shakur hailsfrom Newark, New Jersey, shout
out Newark, New Jersey andChateau Shakur Stevenson, more
to come on that saga, there'sgoing to be a lot more coming
down the pike in the next day ortwo about that. And so stay
(34:11):
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love, love your comments. And soanyway, let's move on right
here. Okay, let's get into this.
Errol Spence. And TerenceCrawford rematch. Apparently,
(35:40):
Errol Spence has exercised therematch clause. Is that correct?
Harold?
Harold Hunt (35:45):
Yes, according to the people out there who are
into the boxing world. He did,in fact, invoke the rematch.
Okay, so that being the case, itties but up, because the bird
wants to take the winner ofCanelo and Charlotte. Okay, now
(36:07):
he's obligated per contract, togo ahead and rematch with
Spence, no, Spence, mindset isof getting back. He's not
concerned about the money. He'snot concerned about anything
else. I know as myself as me, ifI get beat up in the street. I
(36:31):
tell him, we're gonna fightagain tomorrow, right? And then
the speech again. We're gonnafight again tomorrow. All right,
and if he beats me again, we'regonna fight. We're gonna fight
every day, until I'm victorious.
And if he wants to fight again,we're gonna fight again. Right?
Because it's about to get back.
Y'all take the weapon, but I'mgonna try to get you the next
day. And if I can't get you thenext day, I'm gonna get you. I'm
trying to get you the next day.
You got to work me every everyevery day. One day, you won't.
(36:53):
Yeah, so that is Spence'sattitude. Yeah, he doesn't care
about anything. He's got to getthat get back. And he wants to
do that. Now. Even if you get toget back and you lose. Wilder
did that that type of thing.
mentally, emotionally, youunderstood that that fighter has
(37:15):
a better skill set to you. Yeah,but you have to prove to
yourself that you gave it yourbest shot the second time, you
still didn't prevail. But inyour heart in your mind, you did
the best you could and you canaccept that and move forward
with your life. So he is aboutthe Get back. Now people saying
well, you're gonna get beat theword worse, because you may have
(37:39):
problems with the weight, andnow you come in better, but so
we'll but But he'll be stronger,you know, because he doesn't
have to come up with the weight.
Now the gloves are going to belarger, because the gloves are
going to be larger gloves totalk about it's gonna be eight
to 10 ounce gloves. So we haveto see if you know the speed
will be the same because itglows a larger, we have to see
(38:00):
if the damage will be the samebecause the gloves are larger.
And the men themselves will belarger and more compact because
of the weight. So that's whatit's about nice. It's not even
for title. Because it's notfighting at 47 is going to be 54
So it'd be a non title fight.
(38:21):
Maybe some of the things youguys have put together some
silver bills or some anniversarybill for some kind of bill so
they can have a optic of billsbeing on the line because agile
fan doesn't really know aboutyou know, the real the all the
bills being there, but theydidn't notify us can come off
and you got to have some kind ofhardware for the fans to to
(38:41):
recognize. Yeah,
The Boxing Breakdown Boxing (38:43):
for sure. Yeah, but I mean this
there's something to what youjust said something very, very
important that I want thelisteners to really hear in what
you said which is that you know,Spence must believe that he can
win this fight down at 154 Whatdo you think he thinks you think
he's he's thinking well, I'mstriking be stronger there or
(39:06):
what? What is it that'shappening? That makes him think
that he can do a better jobagainst Terence Crawford at 154
Harold Hunt (39:15):
Possibly despite my thought he's thinking that his
punch resistant will be a lotbetter now. Because as you know,
he takes punches to deliver hejust wears you down you hit him
with with your with the cleanwork. He's still there. You hit
him again with clean work, he'sstill there. He's still coming.
He's gonna just overwhelm youlike, just just overwhelmed like
(39:36):
a tsunami just kind of comingcoming coming, never stopping.
He didn't have the punchresistance possibly. I'm not
making excuses. I don't know.
But when he got hit, it affectedhim every time maybe at 54. When
he gets hit with some of thosetype of punches. He can continue
his his his mode of operation.
He's not going to come in herebut boxing or anything else. or,
(40:00):
you know, counter punching, he'sgonna do what he does. But he
feels like at this weight, myopinion, he will have greater
punch resistance, and he can dowhat he usually does and
overwhelm. But with the with thefrequency of his work.
The Boxing Breakdown Boxi (40:14):
Yeah, I just think, Harold, I get all
of that. And I think that 154only makes Terence Crawford
faster. It only makes him fasterto do what he did. I don't I
don't really see you as a coach.
You know, if I've got ErrolSpence, that's my fighter. And I
just watched him, you know, losethe way he lost? He's going in
(40:38):
now with a new trainer to Ibelieve. Yes, he is. And and
he's facing the guy that justbeat him at a higher weight.
Fighting at 154 seems to me tobe like a reckless kind of
situation for Errol Spence. Andmaybe, do you think it's a money
grab? Or do you think it'slegitimate, that he believes
(41:00):
that he can win this fight?
Harold Hunt (41:05):
Well, as I said before, the your ego is such a
tremendous motivator in life.
And it sometimes denies logic.
And when it does, that, you'rejust acting, you're acting on
(41:25):
your your emotions, and you mayor may not be looking at a
different strategy. Of course,they are, of course, this and
that, and the other but, but thebasis of the rematch clause is
to get get that get back, youknow, I've got to get that get
back, no matter what I do, I'vegot to have opportunity to do
that. transition to another payday, it translates into
(41:49):
opportunities for him to stay at54. That type of thing. Once
again, he may get a pass,because he's, he's losing to a
very great fighter. And hehimself had many years of being,
you know, the greatest fighterout there at that weight class,
we just have to wait and see.
The Boxing Breakdown Boxin (42:08):
Well see, the thing is, is I like I
don't subscribe to this ideathat Errol Spence just had a bad
night and lost to a betterfighter that night. I don't
really subscribe to that Ididn't like I did not like the
way Errol Spence looked in thelast fight. I didn't like the
(42:29):
way he looked at the end of thelast fight. I was very, very
concerned for Errol Spence as atrainer, right. And as someone
who knows the damage that isinflicted in a professional
price fight like that one, I amjust a little bit worried about
it. Because I don't, I don't seethat the fight is going to be
(42:54):
any different. And when I'm 54,I think that you've got a
situation where, you know, he'sjust as strong. He's and He's
fast. He's faster, the punchesare going to come in faster.
Now.
Harold Hunt (43:10):
We got to nose gloves. Now.
The Boxing Breakdown Boxing B (43:12):
I understand. I understand the 10
ounce gloves. So what does thatI mean, 10 ounce hurts just as
much as eight ounce cups.
Harold Hunt (43:20):
But the initial from what I understand that
initial delivery, is going to besomewhat weighted, if you will.
And as the fight goes along,then the water and all that
starts to condense into thegloves, and they're they're
heavier, yeah, as you go along.
So if you're used to doinglighter gloves, you know, maybe
that'll make it a factor. But Idon't know, I'm not a fighter. I
(43:44):
haven't been in there to throw.
I haven't used eight ouncegloves and go with 10 ounce
gloves. So I don't know how thatfeels. I don't know what it's
like when condensation watergets in. I just don't know. But
I just believe, from my basicunderstanding that it shouldn't
be a little hard to throw aheavier glove.
The Boxing Breakdown Bo (44:06):
Listen, what all listen, that's why
that's why I said what I said inthe previous comment, Harold,
because Errol Spence did notlook good. He's He's I don't
know, what is causing him toappear to have very, very poor
reflexes. His equilibrium wasn'tright. His his, his, you know,
(44:33):
his kinesthetic awareness wasn'tgood. Like he just wasn't able
to get where he needed to getand he was getting touched. And
when he was getting touched, itwas hurting him. You could see
that he was hurt. So I Yeah,man. I hate the punch resistance
just isn't there. I don't knowif it was the car accident. I
don't we've been bringing thesethings up and speculating about
(44:55):
what it is. But here's myconcern. We as A boxing
community also like the numberone thing is a coach. For me as
a coach, my number oneresponsibility is to make sure
that I keep my safe, my fightersafe at all times. That is the
most important job that we haveas a coach is to keep our
(45:18):
fighters safe. Now that can bethrough tactics, it can be
through preparation. But mostimportantly, it's by keeping an
eye on our fighter and knowingwhen you know enough is enough,
right? So and that's a hard callto make. But that's our job to
make. There's no emotionattached to that. It's like,
hey, this, this towels going inthere because you just took too
(45:42):
many blows. That's it. And Ijust, I'm putting it out there
because I'm concerned aboutErrol Spence. And I'm putting it
out there because I know, I knowthat he dares to be great. I get
all of that he dares to begreat. He is great. He's an
amazing fighter. But I'mlegitimately concerned about the
(46:03):
damage that he took his lastfight and his hackles as it were
Harold Hunt (46:08):
hit those things were affected. I don't think any
of those things were a factor.
Yeah, he was a young man, whenthat happened. He was able to
bounce back. Yeah, I believe hehas good genes. I believe all of
that the cortex in the eyeinjury and all that. For me, I
don't believe that's the factor,what I possibly can see is maybe
is really draining him to do147. Then mark, as you know,
(46:29):
that lowers your resistance toeverything because your body is
not where it needs to be. He'san older gentleman. Now, we're
not saying it's Oh, but youknow, this bike needs to be
melted down to 147. This may ormay not be what he needs this
needs to be at. So as I saidearlier, possibly he is plus
(46:50):
resistant goes up, he'll feelbetter in this training camp.
He'll be more comfortable. Andhe'll look out for that. So
network that he got that put himdown, no, maybe he'll change
some things. So he won't be asheaded, he's still gonna get
hit. But maybe he hasopportunity to really
overwhelmed. But as I saidbefore, I believe he absolutely
(47:12):
needs this mentally. If he evenif he loses again, he needs to
know that he's he did a goodjob. And he tried his best to,
to, to get to get back. And hejust was beaten by a better
fighter. And as he said, he sawthe three kings of Mayweather
fights and having fights and allthose kinds of fights. Those
(47:35):
guys went back and forth,beating and losing and winning
with each other back and forth,back and forth. He wants to be
in that. So for him to losses,just a loss. And he has to kind
of rebound as he saw his heroesdo in the past.
The Boxing Breakdown Boxi (47:48):
Yeah.
No, I get it. But I tell you, Iwant to go on record by saying
I'm very concerned about hisneurological health. And, you
know, I don't see any reason forhim to go. I mean, other than
the money. The money is veryreal. The money is so real and
so good. That I get it, I getthe allure. It's life changing
(48:10):
money, for sure. But I just, youknow, I'm not sure that it
warrants losing a man's life forit, you know, so So for me,
that's where I stand.
Harold Hunt (48:25):
That's that's, that's dire right there.
The Boxing Breakdown Boxi (48:27):
Well, no, I mean, listen, man, you can
lose your life in the boxingring. Anytime I've seen guys.
Listen, people do not if you'rea coach, and you've worked with
professional fighters, I'veworked with a lot of
professional fighters. And makeno bones about it. Stepping into
(48:50):
that break. You are putting yourlife at risk, every time. And if
you think as a fighter thatyou're not, you really need to
think about what you're doing,because it is very, very
serious. You have to beprepared. This is a sport of
gladiators. It's a sport. It's ablood sport, it's a sport, you
(49:14):
fight, you know, the job is totake the other person out. And
there have been many, many timeswhere fighters have been taken
out to the point where they'vebeen hurt severely damaged
eternally and have not made itout of the ring at all. So I say
(49:35):
that because we have anobligation to be able to see
what like I know what I'mlooking at. Because I've looked
at it so many times and I'veseen it so many times. And it is
not uncommon for us to simplysay I will not allow you to spar
(49:57):
anymore. You are done. Simplebecause your life I don't even
have to give you the because I'mtelling you, it's over for you.
And our job as coaches is tohelp help the fighter transition
(50:17):
into other aspects of life thatdon't involve being in the ring.
And I think it's important forfighters to know when that is
and so maybe it's not thisfight, but I'm concerned that's
all I'm saying. And that what Iwas talking about is really a
lesson and for those that arelistening into our podcast,
(50:38):
Harold, that are really youknow, they tune in all the time
they're in boxing, you know, wedo not play boxing as a trainer
if you know you come to my gym,you come to the you know,
anywhere I'm training, you know,what we're talking about, we are
not playing boxing, and youknow, on a collegiate level on a
(51:00):
or even as a as a young amateur,it's fun. There's lots of
lessons you know, everything issuper, super regulated. But once
you take those the headgear off,and you take those gloves and
you make eight ounce gloves isliterally like getting hit with
a bare fist. Trust me. Trust mewhen I tell you it is a those
(51:24):
knuckles hurt, babe. So anyway,that's that. Let's move it right
along to a much brighter note,which is basically Connor, Ben,
outstanding performance. What'sup? What's up? What's up with
that?
Harold Hunt (51:43):
Caribbean was trained by Roy Jones. Yeah. And
he attempted to really emulateRoy Jones and he respected Roy
Jones. And he tried so hard. Andif you look at some of his face,
when he was being trained by RoyJones, he actually had some of
the same footwork and movement,you know, all of that, hands
down that type of thing. Butthat really wasn't what he could
(52:07):
really do. And he was, he washe, he looked good, but he did
lose his last five would be aknockout. Not necessarily
because of the Roy Jones style,but he was open for and he was.
So as you know, he went aheadand employ Womack, Crawford's
trainer, right helping out voMack was only within about maybe
(52:28):
two or three weeks. But it wasmore of a mind reset for Conor
being to be able to understandthat he has a certain skill set,
there's no need for him toemulate anyone else. Just do
what you do. Yeah. And, and takethe mindset that that is around
the Bomag Crawford type area inthe training. So all of that
(52:55):
just really took his mind to another level where he's going to
be more productive. Now, in thefight. It actually showed up the
first rounds or so he was verycautious because he didn't want
to get hit again like that,right. But after the fifth round
when he realized that he can behimself, there's no need for him
to emulate or use any techniquesother than the basis that he
(53:18):
knows. He went on a tear and hedominated and he knocked a knock
his opponent out for him is justput him back to where he was.
Everyone has a little slip up orfootball or you had a scrum
training risk procedure or gameplan. Yeah, he clip he got
clear, but this looks like hewas never clipped. It looks like
(53:41):
that he has a game plan and amindset going forward. That's
going to do nothing but offerhim success.
The Boxing Breakdown Boxin (53:49):
Wow.
Yeah. Well, listen,congratulations to kind of Ben
for an outstanding performance.
And we look forward to seeing alot more of this young man and
we'll probably end up featuringhim on our program, and really
breaking down, you know, all hisskill sets. And, you know, once
we get a little bit more of anopportunity to see this guy will
(54:13):
be breaking all that down. Imean, Harold, let me ask you
something. You had some news onBomag too, right?
Harold Hunt (54:22):
Yes, yes. Bo Max, a trainer had a weapon that he
brought with him from America tothe UK. For protection. Yeah, he
stayed at last time he wasthere. Someone tried to rob him
of his of his wallet. Oh boy, ifhe was robbed or he was
(54:45):
attempted robbery, he didn't saybut he said all my return. I'll
be ready. Now what's ironicabout this is he had the the
weapons and ammunition inAmerica and it got by By the TSA
there, what got to he got to UK.
And when he arrived there, itgot through there. But on his
(55:06):
exit from UK that's when it wasfound. So in my mind why I say
here in America may have droppedthe ball, the TSA, I don't know
what's called in entity there,they didn't catch it only upon
his exit. What is ironic is thecops in UK don't carry guns. So
(55:29):
they're very strict on gunsthere. He is now held in the UK
for 45 days until his hisarraignment, oh, you're in, in
in custody, they're eating theirfood, sleeping there and dealing
with it. Now he's amultimillionaire, but his money
(55:51):
doesn't translate for him tohave opportunity. They don't
care about your money, you haveto be detained until your court
date comes up, right. But I'mthinking that there's other
people culpable. There's otherpeople who are responsible for
(56:13):
this, as in why was he stoppedin America first. So he wouldn't
even get on the plane to getover here and contraband. We
have to fight without that typeof thing. And why when he got
into the country, they didn'tcatch it. On his way out. They
caught it. So there is someblame to be spread around here.
He obviously carried that gun onseveral occasions on his
(56:38):
travels. So he has a permit. Andyes, that and the other. I
believe he just didn't do it ona whim bottle. He understands
the situation. So we had to seehow the courts are going to
they're going to deal with it.
The Boxing Breakdown Boxing B (56:53):
A couple of things about this. It
was it was possession inEngland, right because he had
the gun was discovered inEngland. Right. And it was a
gun.
Harold Hunt (57:04):
Right. His exit mark on his exit not as injury.
The Boxing Breakdown Boxi (57:07):
Yeah, but it was in England, right?
Yes. Yeah. I just want to makesure because the listeners I
want to make sure theyunderstand what happened here.
The other thing is that it wasat the Manchester Airport. And
Harold something to think about.
It's very possible that he had apermit from where was he coming
(57:28):
from? Where did he do you knowwhere he flew out of?
Harold Hunt (57:33):
I can't say I know you know he's busy station with
but in Nebraska, but I believemaybe he had he flew out New
York or I don't know I can't say
The Boxing Breakdown Boxing (57:43):
so because that's good that that's
very material to the to theconversation because I'm not
sure where he flew out of butbut here's why I'm saying that
or why I'm asking the question.
Because if he had if he flew outin Nebraska, maybe their gun
laws are such that he cantravel, you know, there's open
carry or perhaps there's there'sa gun law that says you can you
(58:05):
know what I mean? Like you canconceal carry. And then if
that's the case, he concealedcarry, took it on the plane, the
plane goes up in the air, that'snowhere space, but he entered
the airport that allowed that tobe I don't really know, all I'm
saying is that, and then he getsthere. He goes about his
(58:27):
business, he comes back to theairport to go home. And they
pinch him there. Right. So Imean, it's possible that
something like that occurredbecause I don't see how he gets
through the airport, TSA, I justdon't see how that happens. You
know, unless he, I don't I don'tthink he would have smuggled the
(58:52):
gun is what I'm saying. I thinkhe legitimately thought it. I'm
sure there was a passage for himto take that gun to England, and
he thought he was good, but hewasn't. And this has happened a
lot of times, even in the USwhere, you know, I know Newark,
New Jersey. Newark Airport isnotorious for that. You can have
(59:13):
a concealed carry, blah, blah,blah, you go to the airport, you
got you know, your magazine isincluded inside. There's all
kinds of laws and they get youout and then you Oh man, it's
it's really, it's really messyman. They got to clean up those
gun laws over here too. But thenover there as well. You know, I
(59:35):
mean, gosh, I feel bad for him.
Harold Hunt (59:39):
So he's sitting there but his we go back to he
really did an excellent jobwould have been me. He turned
him around. Yeah, he put him ina situation where the world's
noticing him. Ben has nothingbut big fights coming forward.
And it's just a really, reallygreat opportunity for Ben to
really get splashed on On theeyes of the boxing public Yeah,
(01:00:03):
with this win so, and Bomag hasso much to do with that. They
were saying during the fightthat the instructions from Bomag
were so clear, his voice wasabove the crowd and everyone,
and it was very distinctive.
Yeah, what he was telling Ben todo was very clear and being was
performing at the level of HisWord. So he was just so
(01:00:25):
interesting instrumental in theway Ben fought. It was clear
that been respected andunderstood and actually executed
everything that Bo Mac wassaying. So, yeah, it's really a
good situation with boatneck.
The Boxing Breakdown Boxi (01:00:43):
Yeah.
Well, Harold, I just wanted toalso, we're rounding rounding
out an hour, we're just aboutdone with our broadcast. And I
wanted to take a moment to sendmy condolences to the family and
friends and fellow boxers ofcoach, Michael Stafford, who
just recently passed away. And,you know, I don't know much
(01:01:06):
about how he passed away. But Ihave heard this news as
reverberated around the insideboxing world. Coach, Coach
Stafford was a beloved coach, anamazing coach that took tons of
fighters, tons of them fromnothing to being world
(01:01:27):
champions. He also worked withthe youth with the amateur
program to fighters to theOlympics, etc, etc. You know,
this is a man that dedicated hislife to boxing, and to the youth
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What's up, man? How you doing?
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I'm good man. Welcome back. Welcome
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friends, buckle it up, buckle itup, buckle it up, because today
we are going to talk aboutCanelo Alvarez vs Charlo. We're
(02:18):
going to break that fight down alittle bit and hopefully pump
you guys up and get you excitedabout the upcoming fight. We're
going to also explore this FrankMartin and him pulling out
supposedly and allegedly pullingout of the Stevenson matchup. So
(02:39):
we'll get into that and thenwe'll we'll talk a little bit
about the Spence and Crawfordrematch. I think that we got
some news on that as well. Asyou can see Spence exercises
that rematch clause. And thenfinally we will get into Connor
Ben and his outstandingperformance, as well as biomax
(03:01):
arrest he apparently wasarrested in house got a bunch of
news on that. So without furtherado, my friends. Let's get into
this Harold, what you gotBrother, let's talk about this
Canelo Alvarez vs Charlo fight.
Harold Hunt (03:24):
As everyone knows, Canelo is going to be fighting
Charlo the younger Charlo andright now they're really being
very gracious to each other atthe press conferences and their
comments off camera. We're usedto Charlo being kind of
belligerent and arrogant, buthis tone this time is completely
(03:48):
different from from before. I'mseeing that he he's thinking
that he can be Canelo and allthat other bravado is not really
needed. Canelo on the otherhand, he feels like this is his
chance to really show the worldthat He is the best fighter
because in light of all thefights that's happening
happening happened so far theCrawford specified the other
(04:15):
fight with tank and Ryan oosikfight, he wants to prove that he
is still the best available sohe's gonna be really focused to
really fight well and and Charlois to now if you saw the press
conference, you notice thatCharles is taller, but he's not
as wide. The main thing I'mpulling from this right now is
(04:37):
that Charlo feels that once hebeats Canelo he's going to move
back down and entertain butCrawford and right now who is
his comments are really towardCrawford right now. And I
believe that you know, mostly itshould be about his fight with
Canelo so Crawford seems to bein his hair some right now. And
(05:03):
I would entertain that Iwouldn't even have any kind of
talk about that. But it isbusiness because business
dictates that either way, if heloses the wins, he may have a
chance to fight. Crawford, so Ihave to give that to him.
The Boxing Breakdown Boxi (05:17):
Yeah, I mean, he, he came back Canelo
Alvarez did come out recentlystating that he felt that
Crawford was a very goodfighter. He has stated that on a
multiple interviews, but but healso said that he's only won one
big fight, he's really only gotone big fight against Errol
(05:40):
Spence. And there's not muchmore on his resume. So what do
you think about those comments?
Harold Hunt (05:45):
Well, he should say that he looks at his own resume
and see he's had huge fightsover the years. Right. So all of
those fights really qualify himto be where he's at right now.
Yes, Crawford has had just onefight that the world really knew
about. But if you throw out thenames or the fighters, their
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popularity and look at yourskill level, I feel both of
their resumes are on par.
Because Crawford did find somereally good fight is is to now
name value and seek value andthat type of thing, but they
were really great fighters. Hehad to prove himself and fight
quite well, ya know, had greatfighters, but they they had
cachet.
The Boxing Breakdown Boxi (06:24):
Yeah.
So Harold, I'm gonna pause justfor a quick second here because
what I'd like to do for ourlisteners is really remind them
that this Canelo Alvarez vsJamel Jamel Charlo is taking
place on Showtime pay per viewon September 30. At 8pm. Right,
this is going to be a prettypretty big fight and I have a
(06:46):
feeling the Pay Per View numbersare going to be outstanding on
this one. It hasn't quite heatedup early on, like, you know, you
normally see these kinds offights heating up earlier. But I
do think part of the reason isthat, you know, a lot of people
are going back to school, youknow, the summer is kind of
taking a backseat, now peopleare getting back into their
(07:09):
routine. And so I think there'sjust like a little bit of lag
time here. But I think thisthing is going to pop off.
Right? So I mean, this is a movethat really is staged to make. I
mean it's gonna basically setthe world on fire as far as I'm
concerned in terms of boxing. Iwant to see this fight. This
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fight has a there's a lot ridingon this fight for Canelo Alvarez
and Jamel Charlo. So whoevertakes an L here. I think it's
going to be a big step back.
What do you think about thatHarold,
Harold Hunt (07:48):
and now can afford to lose a lot that they lose,
right? Only because he has sucha huge situation going on with
his career and his legacy. Aloss for him won't even step him
back. He lost the bill, will webe excused that right and
earliest could have really lostthe floor. And we excuse that.
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And if he loses here he'll he'llstill be excused. So he
understand that, as far asCharles can. Charlotte is
concerned, he has opportunity toreally make history he'll be
he'll be the undisputed at twoweight classes. And he went up
three classes to do it. So hehas a lot of thought a lot to
(08:29):
gain. But if he loses, hedoesn't really lose that much.
Because the excuse will be hemoved up. He is actually out of
his weight class. He's fightingCanelo and that type of thing.
Yeah, me. Both of those guyshave kind of not I'm a boxing
and dropped the ball. But theirrespect is rampid. And it's so
(08:51):
the respect is so prevalent iskind of caused all of the press
conference to be kind ofmundane, because they've had the
major press conference in LA andNew York, I believe, and it just
didn't grab you as such. Somaybe as we get closer, there'll
be some some back and forth.
Maybe Charles camp and canalscan't we'll get into some kind
(09:15):
of beef and spice it up. Butright now it's pretty mundane.
The Boxing Breakdown Boxi (09:20):
Yeah, well, folks, listen up. Canelo
Alvarez is 59 and two with twodrawers. So 59 fights, two
losses, two draws. Jamel Charlois 35 wins, one loss and one
(09:40):
draw. So this is a veryinteresting, interesting fight.
I believe it's for the IBF WBA,WBC and WBA titles that are on
the line. And this fight isgoing to be taking place as I
said September 30. I'll say itagain September 30. And He was
(10:00):
also in Las Vegas at the Tmobile arena. So if you guys are
out west and you want to see areally good fight, make sure you
get those tickets. If you areclose enough to get to the T
mobile arena, you won't bedisappointed in this. This
program is going to be put on byPremier boxing champions. And
Brock has broadcasting live onShowtime, as I said before pay
(10:22):
per view a pm Eastern StandardTime and 5pm Pacific time.
Harold Hunt (10:27):
So let me interject Yes. 68 is that 168?
The Boxing Breakdown Boxi (10:31):
Thank you, Harold. Yes, y'all. It is
at 168. I declined to say that.
And Harold's got my back always.
Canelo Alvarez is 33 years oldman. You know. So yes. I mean,
we're not saying he's old. Imean, we're not we're not going
down that road again, right?
We're not going down and roadlike,
Harold Hunt (10:54):
back and forth. But once they see it, he feels very
comfortable there. And to mewhen he moved to 175 and loss,
he was getting hit by a biggerman. Right. So to me, that's the
situation where, you know, hemay have an advantage, but
Charles stating that in thistraining he's doing he's
fighting light heavyweights inthis, that and the other. And
(11:14):
you know, he's working that wayto Morgan as a trainer. I guess
being a sparring with himheavier man and all that is
beneficial. But I don't know ifit really translates into actual
fight with a bigger man youropinion?
The Boxing Breakdown Boxi (11:27):
Well, well, Harold, I mean, I think it
depends on the circumstances,there are times where you know,
for work, you want a heavierfighter, you can exercise on a
heavier fighter, you can getyour combinations off without
the risk of getting hurt, soinspiring, you know, you may you
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may get heavier fighters to comeinto camp, because they can take
a little bit more of the theonslaught, you know, and they're
not going to be, you know, comein one day and leave camp the
next day, because they've got alittle bit more weight on them.
So there's some times that cancan help. I mean, I think in in
terms of developing a cache offighters that come in a team of
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fighters that come in to workwith you, fighter, it's nice to
have an array of different sizesand muscular types. And I think
the reason for that Harold, isbecause you know, sometimes
working fast is good, fastmuscle twitch, sometimes it's
good to work slower and be moremethodical with your with your
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skill sets, maybe work a littlebit more on your defense with
the punches coming a littleslower in areas and pockets
where you're not really thatgood. So there's a lot of things
that that you can do with thesize. And then, of course, you
know, when you have a smallerfighter and a faster fighter, a
lot of times what you're goingto get is you're going to get
(12:57):
faster hand speed, you can getfaster movement, faster
reflexes. So if you're fightinga fighter that, you know, if
you're preparing for a fighter,that is quicker than you, you
may want to pick up to speedright. So there's a lot there.
And I really want to thank youfor asking that question,
because I think it helps thelisteners to really understand
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you know what, what that'sabout, right?
Harold Hunt (13:24):
True, true. So being both of those guys are
utilizing that type oftechnique, the bigger man, the
smaller man to kind of work ondifferent things that they're
going to work on. They're goingto use in the fight with each
other. My overall feel isterminal Sharla rather, is just
thinking about being focused andbeing opportunity that he can
(13:49):
possibly win. And I don't thinkthat well he has said that he
believes you're not Canelo outnow I was watching a little bit
of pieces of Canelo recently,and Jacobs hit him with his best
left hook. I mean turn his headall around while engagement
right and it was clean and itwas right on the button and it
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was powerful. And Canelo didn'teven flinch. He took that punch
his head snapped to the rightsnapped right back and he
delivered a punch didn't take astep back. He didn't wobble
anything. So now with DanielJames who's a pretty heavy
hitter, I believe at that timebecause he was still in his
prime at that time, which hestill is prime ish if you want
to use that word, but at thattime, he was definitely in the
(14:33):
smack deck of his prime. He washitting Canelo pretty heavily
Canelo has a great chance nor
The Boxing Breakdown Boxing (14:38):
not only not don't you bring up a
great point, Harold, because notonly does Canelo have a great
end but your gym route JamelCharlo only has 90 knockouts in
his 35 fights. So I mean Ishouldn't say only because you
know he put 19 of them way withknockout right? But you know
(14:58):
when you look at CaneloAlvarez's knockout ratio he's
got I mean, he's got 39 of hisknockouts, 39 of the 59 fights
he's got have come by way ofknockout. So I mean, that's
fairly, you know, that's a lotof experience knocking folks
out. I disagree. Tell me.
Harold Hunt (15:23):
When Sharlto got with his new trainer, now, he
became a knockout artist. If youlook at the knockout that he
occurred after he movedtrainers, yeah, he was knocking
about left and right. And whenhe says, I'm a knockout artist,
he is a knockout artist with hisnew treatment, because the
(15:44):
narrative was changed. Theprocess was changed. The thought
process would change. Yeah, soin my mind, he is a knockout.
Knockout fighter. Yeah, ofcourse, it's his record is going
to say such but those werebefore he adapted his knockout
mentality and procedure. So heis a knockout fighter, and no
punches.
The Boxing Breakdown Boxing (16:04):
So Harold, I mean, that's a great
point you bring up and actuallyyou may be 100%. Right about
that. And if you're looking atthe percentages, if you're
looking at percentages solelyCanelo Alvarez knockout ratio is
66.1%. While Jamel Charlo isknockout ratio is 54.29%. So
they are relatively close.
percentage wise, if you'relooking at it on paper, the
(16:27):
knockout percentage is reallynot that far off. So to your and
I know, that wasn't exactly whatyour point was. But as I as I
delve into the knockout ratiothere a little bit more I can
see, you know, yeah, he hasn'thad as many fights. But you
know, his ratio is close. It's54%. So, you know, all I guess
what I'm saying is there, theseguys, you know, Eddie Reynoso,
(16:52):
who is a very, very skillfultrainer, one of the best and
will go down in the Hall ofFame, no doubt, as one of the
massive most masterful trainersof our air. He's very, very
excited about this fight. Hebelieves that he's fighting that
(17:13):
he's putting his fighter in witha truly, you know, amazing
fighter. And that this is goingto really be a test for Canelo
Alvarez. But see, everything isnot always what it seems in
boxing. I look at this fight.
(17:38):
And I think this is a perfectstyle matchup for Canelo
Alvarez. For a lot of tacticalreasons. I see that Canelo this
guy is made for Canelo Alvarez.
And so maybe I'm wrong. MaybeI'm right. I've been wrong 50%
of the time. So you know, right?
(18:05):
I mean,
Harold Hunt (18:06):
who knows, record?
For me, that'd be vol, which isa name that may not be mentioned
here. If you go back and look atthat fight, yeah, evolve by
similar to Charlo. He does. Andwhen he does that has done that
against Canelo. You see whereCanelo breaks down, where his
style does not fit that type ofstyle. He can't really work with
(18:29):
that as well as he needs to. AndI think we spoke on this before
Floyd and Phil employed, thatstyle gets involved, employed
desta algorithm. They were bothsuccessful. Those are his
losses. Yeah. So we're lookingat Cannella. I mean, Sharlto
rather have an opportunity toeither emulate those styles or
(18:50):
not. If he does, he may have abit of he may have a chance to
do so. I'm sure he's looking atall that and knowing that, you
know, that is opportunity. Yeah,I'm just trying to get Canella
on in some of that power.
The Boxing Breakdown Box (19:04):
Right.
Well, look, I mean, I know thatthat Charlo is super, super
excited about this by theshouldn't be Yeah, he's super
excited. anybody in their rightor left mine would be super
excited to have an opportunityto fight. Soule, Canelo Alvarez
you know, standing at a recordof 59 two and to having this win
(19:26):
against a, you know, Hall ofFamer, future Hall of Famer
anyway, is really a greatopportunity for Charlo you know,
during
Harold Hunt (19:41):
this opportunity to get in the Hall of Fame also
because yeah, he is undisputed.
He is undisputed, there's nodoubt about that. And you know,
before his date type attitude,he was going to best trash
talkers and he was just youknow, polarizing. You know, we
enjoyed the angry Charlo rightenjoyed him. just just just stop
talking to her, we'd love that.
(20:03):
But he's not doing that thistime. So it's different, but we
have to see how he's going towork it out.
The Boxing Breakdown Box (20:08):
Right.
And at the top of the program,you did mention that short, low
Charlo comes in a little bitbigger. And he does I mean, when
they stand next to each other,you know, there's definitely a
height differential there. ButI'm just wondering if that
height differential is kind of,you know, the same. You know,
that's kind of what Caneloneeds, he needs a little height
and his opponent, right?
Harold Hunt (20:31):
Yes, because Canelo style is, I was, I don't want to
say punching up. Yeah. But thatis what he does and is he's more
comfortable when he can deliverin such a manner. And you could
see the difference between whenhe fought people who are by his
same height or whatever. Andthen the ones who are a little
(20:53):
taller, delivers punches alittle better and that type of
thing. So for him height doesn'treally matter.
The Boxing Breakdown Boxing (20:59):
No, you know, he some of his best
punches. Some of his best punchselections are things like you
know, rear upper cut up themiddle, a five to the body, left
hook to the body, shovel punchto the body, on the left side,
check hook on the left side, youknow, sweeping hook on the left
side, dropping the the rear, forto the body. Those are some of
(21:23):
his best shots. So obviouslylending those shots against a
taller, more lanky er fighter,if you will, makes it makes it
really great for him to exercisethe punches that actually
produce the best knockouts forhim in his career. So I'm, I'm
excited to see about it, I thinkCharlo you know, Sharla is not
(21:46):
an opponent to play withlightly. He's not he's a very,
very serious, skillful fighter.
Rough, rough fighter, he willmix it up with you on the
inside, he will trade with youon the outside, he'll he'll
sneak punches long range andfind those those those spots to
land shots as you come in. So hehas a lot of a lot of things
(22:08):
that he can do in the fight aswell.
Harold Hunt (22:13):
His defense, to me is his weakest is weak, but it's
less than his offense. But likethat, right? I'm not saying he
has a weak defense at all. I'mjust saying it's the lesser of
the two. And that is somethingthat Canelo could possibly
exploit because when you attackyou leave yourself open to be
attacked. Right and he isdefinitely an attacker. So when
(22:36):
you do that you leave yourselfavailable. Yeah, not only father
I know we do that and get awaywith it very clearly as your
career but we're not talkingabout him.
The Boxing Breakdown Boxi (22:43):
Yeah, but not Yeah, that is,
Harold Hunt (22:46):
but that is what shark Sharla may have to be
mindful of as Canelo is lookingfor him to attack so he can
counter
The Boxing Breakdown Boxi (22:56):
that.
Well hopefully Derek James has,which is actually Jamal Charlo
is trainer has a lot of thingsin in planned, you know in mind
to deliver to a Mr. Solo CaneloAlvarez you would need to have
quite an arsenal to get inthere. Come September 30. And
(23:17):
I'm excited. I know this isgoing to be the undercard is
going to be pretty stacked aswell. It's going to feature a
lot of really, really goodfighters. There are formal
former title holders on thatcard. It's gonna be everything
from 147 to 160. Woohoo. Andagain, folks, before we move on
(23:41):
here, it is going to be onShowtime pay per view. this
coming Saturday, September 30.
Listen, do not miss that fight.
Okay, Harold. So let's moveright along here. Boom, boom,
boom. Let's get ourselves overto Frank Martin. Tell me about
(24:05):
what's happening with FrankMartin. I understand that he
pulled out in the fight which ofcourse Stephenson What's that
bout?
Harold Hunt (24:16):
Right now the world the boxing world is shook up.
Everyone is doing emergencyvideo podcast courtesy articles
and that is just shaking up theword only because this isn't
something that's done Presidentit hasn't happened. But in this
manner in such a such a while.
As you know, Frank Martin didsign up to fight. Stevenson, and
(24:41):
everyone was happy about thatright. at the ninth hour. He
pulled out of the fight now.
This is the particularsAccording to ESPN and Dan
Rayfield. contracts were signedAs they were to be signed, and
(25:02):
everyone was signed it andeveryone was ready to to just
get the final signatures, and hepulled it out. Right. Martin is
forfeiting a million dollarpayday. I suspect. I don't know
if this is true, but I don'tknow if he's ever made over 200
grand for a fight, or I mean,ever made that much I don't
believe but this is a milliondollar fight right now, we're
(25:23):
just effectively does is it kindof tarnished his eyes and
tortures him in the eyes of theboxing fans, we're saying,
You're scared now he's notscared, like that. But there's
other factors that we don't knowabout. But this is the
ramification of doing what hedid. When you win the Oscar as
an actor, yeah. When you doanother film, even if that film
(25:44):
is trash, they gotta pay you forhaving that Oscar. They gotta
pay you that. So the movie maynot do anything, but you're
gonna get your number becauseyou have that Oscar. Once you
make a million dollars, when youlose your next fight, they have
to pay you at round that rentperiod, because now you have
graduated that financial range,and that's where you are, he
(26:05):
left that he negated thatopportunity. So now he's gonna
go back to the low to hundredsto hundreds or whatever it was,
I don't know what he gotpreviously. But if he had a took
despite, win or lose, he wouldhave to be paid around a million
dollars every time he fought forthe rest of his career. Now he
has get back into position whereyou can make that kind of money
with someone who wants to fighthim at that kind of number. We
(26:29):
know Stevenson brings that kindof number for him. That was
number one. Number two, theboxing fans like what's going
on, they don't understandthere's politics and this and
that and financials, all that.
All right, he pulled out lastnight he chickened out now, his
name is Frank Moore and thelittle skull book going around.
I'm not trying to say anythingnegative, but it's kind of
apropos because people havelittle names for different
(26:51):
people. But what they're sayingis, he is now Frank Perdue, the
chicken man, so that's kind ofcute, I would think, but I think
he can really turn that aroundby fighting someone quit and
then go right back to Shakur,because he's shaking man, you
know, and, you know, but that'swhat the world is gonna look at.
So he hasn't said any. He hasn'tgiven any kind of explanation
(27:13):
why he did that. But so twothings he has lost. As of now,
the guarantee paid a milliondollars. The guarantee paydays
overwhelming us for subsequenttimes, the way the way the
Boston Public is looking at him.
So we have yet to find outexactly what happened if Al
(27:33):
Heyman was involved. If theydidn't think it was feasible. We
just don't know. But it went toyou went so far, just to be cast
aside.
The Boxing Breakdown Boxin (27:42):
Wow, this is, you know, I'm shaking
my head on this one. Because,you know, we've been talking
about your course Stevenson for,you know, six months or more
about who he's going to fightand the fact that he is one of
the pound for pound bestfighters out there. Problem is
he doesn't get a chance to showit because nobody wants to fight
him. And it's pulling out more.
Yeah, yeah. It's, it's, it's anawful situation for sure. It's
(28:06):
not much better for top rank,right? I mean, because they need
their fighter in the fight. Theyneed to be able to put him out
there so they can build himafter all of the investment that
they've spent. shakur has onlygot 20 fights. Right. And I
don't mean like he's only yet 20fights. He's got 10 knockouts in
(28:26):
the 20 fights. And, you know,that's a 50% knockout ratio.
It's not bad. It's close toJamel Charlo a trillion dollars
only 54%. So he can keep thatrolling. You know, he might even
be able to lift that up as hegrows into his body and get
stronger and stronger and moreexperienced in the ring. But the
problem is he's not getting thefight. He can't get any fights.
(28:48):
And the thing about this despitewas supposed to take place at
135 pounds. Frank Martin doesthe South Pole. very crafty very
skillful southpaw. I was excitedto see this fight because my
thought was oh, Shakur reallyput himself in deep here or his
his camp put him in pretty deephere and what's that about?
(29:11):
Right this is gonna be he'sgonna really have to prove
himself. So, you know, I mean,we never know what's happening
in the back. This was also goingto be for the vacant WBC
lightweight title, which wasvacated by
Harold Hunt (29:33):
Devin Haney. And Haney have the one exactly 140
So you could find a reducedprogress, but you're curious
hurt by this too. Yes. His hisand his his illness. His number
is guaranteed. They're gonna saywe have to pay you less. Yeah.
So he comes down as far as whathe's supposed to be paid unless
it was a guarantee that hewould. The contracts weren't
(29:54):
signed. They can renegotiateeverybody else. But So was
The Boxing Breakdown Boxin (29:58):
this a situation where top Franck
shot over the contract to the tothe band camp being camp and
they didn't like the terms orwhat the terms agreed upon
contract was sent for signatureand and it just wasn't signed
Harold Hunt (30:15):
everything was agreed upon and so all you have
to assign it whatever clausecame up or whatever concern came
up right came up at the verylast minute he he said no so if
you're not going to sign thecontract you're going to voice
that this that doesn't go welland then you can hear about a
week ahead of time or you know,whatever, but where you are
(30:38):
right there at the signing tablehowever their power they're
doing it and then you pull outthe very last minute and you
don't know what exactly what itwas and we still don't know
exactly what it was. That's justsuspect to the fans. Yeah,
family mark you and I knowthere's so much more in the
background that we don't knowthat really can cause this type
of thing to happen. But thepeople outside who are not privy
(31:01):
or who don't choose be prebecause some people say yeah, I
know how that stuff works, but Idon't care about that. I'm a fan
and I want this to happen. Thosepeople are somewhat no surprise
so this is where we're at rightnow with them. I don't know how
it's gonna work out now. Anotherfighter wants to go ahead and
fight him I believe his name isSandra ball he's like number
(31:25):
five down there Yeah. And he'she's this is his opportunity to
really you know get himself inthe limelight fight you were no
one else question how manypeople pulled out before Frank
three people pulled out of notethey pulled out Yeah, so the
fight may still go on or not wejust don't know Mark
The Boxing Breakdown Boxi (31:44):
right it was a fight was scheduled for
I believe no in November right.
That was scheduled for Novembervenues
Harold Hunt (31:50):
were lined up one in New York and one was in
Vegas. So we don't even knowwhat venue pulled out if you're
going to have the venue if theseating is you know, they still
want to do it if the other guycan even sell tickets. All of
that it's just all up in the air
The Boxing Breakdown Box (32:04):
sloppy sloppy. Sloppy. Everybody sloppy
you guys come on top rank andPVC and all you guys got to get
this thing together so we canmake this fight. So core needs
this fight. And you know, Conorven needs this fight too. Or I'm
sorry, Connor bet. Frank Martinis just fine, too. You know, I
(32:26):
mean, if he doesn't get
Harold Hunt (32:27):
the opportunity to thrust himself in space, yeah.
Even if he lost, it's kind oflike if you lose to Floyd,
you're gonna pass. Yeah, if youlose a secure Who is he will be
a one of the greatest fightersof all time, just because his
skill set is so sublime. He'seven gotten even into what he
can really do. So you lose himearly in your career and his
(32:51):
career. It's okay. You can takethat loss and still be a viable
candidate to the promoters thatworks in the fans, but he's just
sidestepping them for whateverreason. I'm not criticizing but
he's, it is happening. It'shappened,
The Boxing Breakdown Boxing (33:08):
ya know, and it's just, you know,
she, of course, Stevens and ifyou're listening, this is not
the first time a fighter isavoided, like the plague. You've
spent your life training to bean amazing fighter. You've
developed the skills of anamazing fighter. You have the
(33:29):
pedigree of an amazing fighter,you've been trained to be an
amazing fighter. And so becauseof that, people are going to
avoid you. They are going tohave to eventually fight you.
Okay, because eventually,they're you are, they're gonna
have to come through you. So,you know, good luck with it. All
(33:50):
I'm saying is that we reallywant to see your core up on the
big big stage. Sure Shakur hailsfrom Newark, New Jersey, shout
out Newark, New Jersey andChateau Shakur Stevenson, more
to come on that saga, there'sgoing to be a lot more coming
down the pike in the next day ortwo about that. And so stay
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love, love your comments. And soanyway, let's move on right
here. Okay, let's get into this.
Errol Spence. And TerenceCrawford rematch. Apparently,
(35:40):
Errol Spence has exercised therematch clause. Is that correct?
Harold?
Harold Hunt (35:45):
Yes, according to the people out there who are
into the boxing world. He did,in fact, invoke the rematch.
Okay, so that being the case, itties but up, because the bird
wants to take the winner ofCanelo and Charlotte. Okay, now
(36:07):
he's obligated per contract, togo ahead and rematch with
Spence, no, Spence, mindset isof getting back. He's not
concerned about the money. He'snot concerned about anything
else. I know as myself as me, ifI get beat up in the street. I
(36:31):
tell him, we're gonna fightagain tomorrow, right? And then
the speech again. We're gonnafight again tomorrow. All right,
and if he beats me again, we'regonna fight. We're gonna fight
every day, until I'm victorious.
And if he wants to fight again,we're gonna fight again. Right?
Because it's about to get back.
Y'all take the weapon, but I'mgonna try to get you the next
day. And if I can't get you thenext day, I'm gonna get you. I'm
trying to get you the next day.
You got to work me every everyevery day. One day, you won't.
(36:53):
Yeah, so that is Spence'sattitude. Yeah, he doesn't care
about anything. He's got to getthat get back. And he wants to
do that. Now. Even if you get toget back and you lose. Wilder
did that that type of thing.
mentally, emotionally, youunderstood that that fighter has
(37:15):
a better skill set to you. Yeah,but you have to prove to
yourself that you gave it yourbest shot the second time, you
still didn't prevail. But inyour heart in your mind, you did
the best you could and you canaccept that and move forward
with your life. So he is aboutthe Get back. Now people saying
well, you're gonna get beat theword worse, because you may have
(37:39):
problems with the weight, andnow you come in better, but so
we'll but But he'll be stronger,you know, because he doesn't
have to come up with the weight.
Now the gloves are going to belarger, because the gloves are
going to be larger gloves totalk about it's gonna be eight
to 10 ounce gloves. So we haveto see if you know the speed
will be the same because itglows a larger, we have to see
(38:00):
if the damage will be the samebecause the gloves are larger.
And the men themselves will belarger and more compact because
of the weight. So that's whatit's about nice. It's not even
for title. Because it's notfighting at 47 is going to be 54
So it'd be a non title fight.
(38:21):
Maybe some of the things youguys have put together some
silver bills or some anniversarybill for some kind of bill so
they can have a optic of billsbeing on the line because agile
fan doesn't really know aboutyou know, the real the all the
bills being there, but theydidn't notify us can come off
and you got to have some kind ofhardware for the fans to to
(38:41):
recognize. Yeah,
The Boxing Breakdown Boxing (38:43):
for sure. Yeah, but I mean this
there's something to what youjust said something very, very
important that I want thelisteners to really hear in what
you said which is that you know,Spence must believe that he can
win this fight down at 154 Whatdo you think he thinks you think
he's he's thinking well, I'mstriking be stronger there or
(39:06):
what? What is it that'shappening? That makes him think
that he can do a better jobagainst Terence Crawford at 154
Harold Hunt (39:15):
Possibly despite my thought he's thinking that his
punch resistant will be a lotbetter now. Because as you know,
he takes punches to deliver hejust wears you down you hit him
with with your with the cleanwork. He's still there. You hit
him again with clean work, he'sstill there. He's still coming.
He's gonna just overwhelm youlike, just just overwhelmed like
(39:36):
a tsunami just kind of comingcoming coming, never stopping.
He didn't have the punchresistance possibly. I'm not
making excuses. I don't know.
But when he got hit, it affectedhim every time maybe at 54. When
he gets hit with some of thosetype of punches. He can continue
his his his mode of operation.
He's not going to come in herebut boxing or anything else. or,
(40:00):
you know, counter punching, he'sgonna do what he does. But he
feels like at this weight, myopinion, he will have greater
punch resistance, and he can dowhat he usually does and
overwhelm. But with the with thefrequency of his work.
The Boxing Breakdown Boxi (40:14):
Yeah, I just think, Harold, I get all
of that. And I think that 154only makes Terence Crawford
faster. It only makes him fasterto do what he did. I don't I
don't really see you as a coach.
You know, if I've got ErrolSpence, that's my fighter. And I
just watched him, you know, losethe way he lost? He's going in
(40:38):
now with a new trainer to Ibelieve. Yes, he is. And and
he's facing the guy that justbeat him at a higher weight.
Fighting at 154 seems to me tobe like a reckless kind of
situation for Errol Spence. Andmaybe, do you think it's a money
grab? Or do you think it'slegitimate, that he believes
(41:00):
that he can win this fight?
Harold Hunt (41:05):
Well, as I said before, the your ego is such a
tremendous motivator in life.
And it sometimes denies logic.
And when it does, that, you'rejust acting, you're acting on
(41:25):
your your emotions, and you mayor may not be looking at a
different strategy. Of course,they are, of course, this and
that, and the other but, but thebasis of the rematch clause is
to get get that get back, youknow, I've got to get that get
back, no matter what I do, I'vegot to have opportunity to do
that. transition to another payday, it translates into
(41:49):
opportunities for him to stay at54. That type of thing. Once
again, he may get a pass,because he's, he's losing to a
very great fighter. And hehimself had many years of being,
you know, the greatest fighterout there at that weight class,
we just have to wait and see.
The Boxing Breakdown Boxin (42:08):
Well see, the thing is, is I like I
don't subscribe to this ideathat Errol Spence just had a bad
night and lost to a betterfighter that night. I don't
really subscribe to that Ididn't like I did not like the
way Errol Spence looked in thelast fight. I didn't like the
(42:29):
way he looked at the end of thelast fight. I was very, very
concerned for Errol Spence as atrainer, right. And as someone
who knows the damage that isinflicted in a professional
price fight like that one, I amjust a little bit worried about
it. Because I don't, I don't seethat the fight is going to be
(42:54):
any different. And when I'm 54,I think that you've got a
situation where, you know, he'sjust as strong. He's and He's
fast. He's faster, the punchesare going to come in faster.
Now.
Harold Hunt (43:10):
We got to nose gloves. Now.
The Boxing Breakdown Boxing B (43:12):
I understand. I understand the 10
ounce gloves. So what does thatI mean, 10 ounce hurts just as
much as eight ounce cups.
Harold Hunt (43:20):
But the initial from what I understand that
initial delivery, is going to besomewhat weighted, if you will.
And as the fight goes along,then the water and all that
starts to condense into thegloves, and they're they're
heavier, yeah, as you go along.
So if you're used to doinglighter gloves, you know, maybe
that'll make it a factor. But Idon't know, I'm not a fighter. I
(43:44):
haven't been in there to throw.
I haven't used eight ouncegloves and go with 10 ounce
gloves. So I don't know how thatfeels. I don't know what it's
like when condensation watergets in. I just don't know. But
I just believe, from my basicunderstanding that it shouldn't
be a little hard to throw aheavier glove.
The Boxing Breakdown Bo (44:06):
Listen, what all listen, that's why
that's why I said what I said inthe previous comment, Harold,
because Errol Spence did notlook good. He's He's I don't
know, what is causing him toappear to have very, very poor
reflexes. His equilibrium wasn'tright. His his, his, you know,
(44:33):
his kinesthetic awareness wasn'tgood. Like he just wasn't able
to get where he needed to getand he was getting touched. And
when he was getting touched, itwas hurting him. You could see
that he was hurt. So I Yeah,man. I hate the punch resistance
just isn't there. I don't knowif it was the car accident. I
don't we've been bringing thesethings up and speculating about
(44:55):
what it is. But here's myconcern. We as A boxing
community also like the numberone thing is a coach. For me as
a coach, my number oneresponsibility is to make sure
that I keep my safe, my fightersafe at all times. That is the
most important job that we haveas a coach is to keep our
(45:18):
fighters safe. Now that can bethrough tactics, it can be
through preparation. But mostimportantly, it's by keeping an
eye on our fighter and knowingwhen you know enough is enough,
right? So and that's a hard callto make. But that's our job to
make. There's no emotionattached to that. It's like,
hey, this, this towels going inthere because you just took too
(45:42):
many blows. That's it. And Ijust, I'm putting it out there
because I'm concerned aboutErrol Spence. And I'm putting it
out there because I know, I knowthat he dares to be great. I get
all of that he dares to begreat. He is great. He's an
amazing fighter. But I'mlegitimately concerned about the
(46:03):
damage that he took his lastfight and his hackles as it were
Harold Hunt (46:08):
hit those things were affected. I don't think any
of those things were a factor.
Yeah, he was a young man, whenthat happened. He was able to
bounce back. Yeah, I believe hehas good genes. I believe all of
that the cortex in the eyeinjury and all that. For me, I
don't believe that's the factor,what I possibly can see is maybe
is really draining him to do147. Then mark, as you know,
(46:29):
that lowers your resistance toeverything because your body is
not where it needs to be. He'san older gentleman. Now, we're
not saying it's Oh, but youknow, this bike needs to be
melted down to 147. This may ormay not be what he needs this
needs to be at. So as I saidearlier, possibly he is plus
(46:50):
resistant goes up, he'll feelbetter in this training camp.
He'll be more comfortable. Andhe'll look out for that. So
network that he got that put himdown, no, maybe he'll change
some things. So he won't be asheaded, he's still gonna get
hit. But maybe he hasopportunity to really
overwhelmed. But as I saidbefore, I believe he absolutely
(47:12):
needs this mentally. If he evenif he loses again, he needs to
know that he's he did a goodjob. And he tried his best to,
to, to get to get back. And hejust was beaten by a better
fighter. And as he said, he sawthe three kings of Mayweather
fights and having fights and allthose kinds of fights. Those
(47:35):
guys went back and forth,beating and losing and winning
with each other back and forth,back and forth. He wants to be
in that. So for him to losses,just a loss. And he has to kind
of rebound as he saw his heroesdo in the past.
The Boxing Breakdown Boxi (47:48):
Yeah.
No, I get it. But I tell you, Iwant to go on record by saying
I'm very concerned about hisneurological health. And, you
know, I don't see any reason forhim to go. I mean, other than
the money. The money is veryreal. The money is so real and
so good. That I get it, I getthe allure. It's life changing
(48:10):
money, for sure. But I just, youknow, I'm not sure that it
warrants losing a man's life forit, you know, so So for me,
that's where I stand.
Harold Hunt (48:25):
That's that's, that's dire right there.
The Boxing Breakdown Boxi (48:27):
Well, no, I mean, listen, man, you can
lose your life in the boxingring. Anytime I've seen guys.
Listen, people do not if you'rea coach, and you've worked with
professional fighters, I'veworked with a lot of
professional fighters. And makeno bones about it. Stepping into
(48:50):
that break. You are putting yourlife at risk, every time. And if
you think as a fighter thatyou're not, you really need to
think about what you're doing,because it is very, very
serious. You have to beprepared. This is a sport of
gladiators. It's a sport. It's ablood sport, it's a sport, you
(49:14):
fight, you know, the job is totake the other person out. And
there have been many, many timeswhere fighters have been taken
out to the point where they'vebeen hurt severely damaged
eternally and have not made itout of the ring at all. So I say
(49:35):
that because we have anobligation to be able to see
what like I know what I'mlooking at. Because I've looked
at it so many times and I'veseen it so many times. And it is
not uncommon for us to simplysay I will not allow you to spar
(49:57):
anymore. You are done. Simplebecause your life I don't even
have to give you the because I'mtelling you, it's over for you.
And our job as coaches is tohelp help the fighter transition
(50:17):
into other aspects of life thatdon't involve being in the ring.
And I think it's important forfighters to know when that is
and so maybe it's not thisfight, but I'm concerned that's
all I'm saying. And that what Iwas talking about is really a
lesson and for those that arelistening into our podcast,
(50:38):
Harold, that are really youknow, they tune in all the time
they're in boxing, you know, wedo not play boxing as a trainer
if you know you come to my gym,you come to the you know,
anywhere I'm training, you know,what we're talking about, we are
not playing boxing, and youknow, on a collegiate level on a
(51:00):
or even as a as a young amateur,it's fun. There's lots of
lessons you know, everything issuper, super regulated. But once
you take those the headgear off,and you take those gloves and
you make eight ounce gloves isliterally like getting hit with
a bare fist. Trust me. Trust mewhen I tell you it is a those
(51:24):
knuckles hurt, babe. So anyway,that's that. Let's move it right
along to a much brighter note,which is basically Connor, Ben,
outstanding performance. What'sup? What's up? What's up with
that?
Harold Hunt (51:43):
Caribbean was trained by Roy Jones. Yeah. And
he attempted to really emulateRoy Jones and he respected Roy
Jones. And he tried so hard. Andif you look at some of his face,
when he was being trained by RoyJones, he actually had some of
the same footwork and movement,you know, all of that, hands
down that type of thing. Butthat really wasn't what he could
(52:07):
really do. And he was, he washe, he looked good, but he did
lose his last five would be aknockout. Not necessarily
because of the Roy Jones style,but he was open for and he was.
So as you know, he went aheadand employ Womack, Crawford's
trainer, right helping out voMack was only within about maybe
(52:28):
two or three weeks. But it wasmore of a mind reset for Conor
being to be able to understandthat he has a certain skill set,
there's no need for him toemulate anyone else. Just do
what you do. Yeah. And, and takethe mindset that that is around
the Bomag Crawford type area inthe training. So all of that
(52:55):
just really took his mind to another level where he's going to
be more productive. Now, in thefight. It actually showed up the
first rounds or so he was verycautious because he didn't want
to get hit again like that,right. But after the fifth round
when he realized that he can behimself, there's no need for him
to emulate or use any techniquesother than the basis that he
(53:18):
knows. He went on a tear and hedominated and he knocked a knock
his opponent out for him is justput him back to where he was.
Everyone has a little slip up orfootball or you had a scrum
training risk procedure or gameplan. Yeah, he clip he got
clear, but this looks like hewas never clipped. It looks like
(53:41):
that he has a game plan and amindset going forward. That's
going to do nothing but offerhim success.
The Boxing Breakdown Boxin (53:49):
Wow.
Yeah. Well, listen,congratulations to kind of Ben
for an outstanding performance.
And we look forward to seeing alot more of this young man and
we'll probably end up featuringhim on our program, and really
breaking down, you know, all hisskill sets. And, you know, once
we get a little bit more of anopportunity to see this guy will
(54:13):
be breaking all that down. Imean, Harold, let me ask you
something. You had some news onBomag too, right?
Harold Hunt (54:22):
Yes, yes. Bo Max, a trainer had a weapon that he
brought with him from America tothe UK. For protection. Yeah, he
stayed at last time he wasthere. Someone tried to rob him
of his of his wallet. Oh boy, ifhe was robbed or he was
(54:45):
attempted robbery, he didn't saybut he said all my return. I'll
be ready. Now what's ironicabout this is he had the the
weapons and ammunition inAmerica and it got by By the TSA
there, what got to he got to UK.
And when he arrived there, itgot through there. But on his
(55:06):
exit from UK that's when it wasfound. So in my mind why I say
here in America may have droppedthe ball, the TSA, I don't know
what's called in entity there,they didn't catch it only upon
his exit. What is ironic is thecops in UK don't carry guns. So
(55:29):
they're very strict on gunsthere. He is now held in the UK
for 45 days until his hisarraignment, oh, you're in, in
in custody, they're eating theirfood, sleeping there and dealing
with it. Now he's amultimillionaire, but his money
(55:51):
doesn't translate for him tohave opportunity. They don't
care about your money, you haveto be detained until your court
date comes up, right. But I'mthinking that there's other
people culpable. There's otherpeople who are responsible for
(56:13):
this, as in why was he stoppedin America first. So he wouldn't
even get on the plane to getover here and contraband. We
have to fight without that typeof thing. And why when he got
into the country, they didn'tcatch it. On his way out. They
caught it. So there is someblame to be spread around here.
He obviously carried that gun onseveral occasions on his
(56:38):
travels. So he has a permit. Andyes, that and the other. I
believe he just didn't do it ona whim bottle. He understands
the situation. So we had to seehow the courts are going to
they're going to deal with it.
The Boxing Breakdown Boxing B (56:53):
A couple of things about this. It
was it was possession inEngland, right because he had
the gun was discovered inEngland. Right. And it was a
gun.
Harold Hunt (57:04):
Right. His exit mark on his exit not as injury.
The Boxing Breakdown Boxi (57:07):
Yeah, but it was in England, right?
Yes. Yeah. I just want to makesure because the listeners I
want to make sure theyunderstand what happened here.
The other thing is that it wasat the Manchester Airport. And
Harold something to think about.
It's very possible that he had apermit from where was he coming
(57:28):
from? Where did he do you knowwhere he flew out of?
Harold Hunt (57:33):
I can't say I know you know he's busy station with
but in Nebraska, but I believemaybe he had he flew out New
York or I don't know I can't say
The Boxing Breakdown Boxing (57:43):
so because that's good that that's
very material to the to theconversation because I'm not
sure where he flew out of butbut here's why I'm saying that
or why I'm asking the question.
Because if he had if he flew outin Nebraska, maybe their gun
laws are such that he cantravel, you know, there's open
carry or perhaps there's there'sa gun law that says you can you
(58:05):
know what I mean? Like you canconceal carry. And then if
that's the case, he concealedcarry, took it on the plane, the
plane goes up in the air, that'snowhere space, but he entered
the airport that allowed that tobe I don't really know, all I'm
saying is that, and then he getsthere. He goes about his
(58:27):
business, he comes back to theairport to go home. And they
pinch him there. Right. So Imean, it's possible that
something like that occurredbecause I don't see how he gets
through the airport, TSA, I justdon't see how that happens. You
know, unless he, I don't I don'tthink he would have smuggled the
(58:52):
gun is what I'm saying. I thinkhe legitimately thought it. I'm
sure there was a passage for himto take that gun to England, and
he thought he was good, but hewasn't. And this has happened a
lot of times, even in the USwhere, you know, I know Newark,
New Jersey. Newark Airport isnotorious for that. You can have
(59:13):
a concealed carry, blah, blah,blah, you go to the airport, you
got you know, your magazine isincluded inside. There's all
kinds of laws and they get youout and then you Oh man, it's
it's really, it's really messyman. They got to clean up those
gun laws over here too. But thenover there as well. You know, I
(59:35):
mean, gosh, I feel bad for him.
Harold Hunt (59:39):
So he's sitting there but his we go back to he
really did an excellent jobwould have been me. He turned
him around. Yeah, he put him ina situation where the world's
noticing him. Ben has nothingbut big fights coming forward.
And it's just a really, reallygreat opportunity for Ben to
really get splashed on On theeyes of the boxing public Yeah,
(01:00:03):
with this win so, and Bomag hasso much to do with that. They
were saying during the fightthat the instructions from Bomag
were so clear, his voice wasabove the crowd and everyone,
and it was very distinctive.
Yeah, what he was telling Ben todo was very clear and being was
performing at the level of HisWord. So he was just so
(01:00:25):
interesting instrumental in theway Ben fought. It was clear
that been respected andunderstood and actually executed
everything that Bo Mac wassaying. So, yeah, it's really a
good situation with boatneck.
The Boxing Breakdown Boxi (01:00:43):
Yeah.
Well, Harold, I just wanted toalso, we're rounding rounding
out an hour, we're just aboutdone with our broadcast. And I
wanted to take a moment to sendmy condolences to the family and
friends and fellow boxers ofcoach, Michael Stafford, who
just recently passed away. And,you know, I don't know much
(01:01:06):
about how he passed away. But Ihave heard this news as
reverberated around the insideboxing world. Coach, Coach
Stafford was a beloved coach, anamazing coach that took tons of
fighters, tons of them fromnothing to being world
(01:01:27):
champions. He also worked withthe youth with the amateur
program to fighters to theOlympics, etc, etc. You know,
this is a man that dedicated hislife to boxing, and to the youth
and to helping people see abetter way, and he will be he'll
be sorely missed. And I justwanted to I just wanted to shout
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out the family and send mycondolences out to Adrien
Broner. And to though actually,his whole family and the
fighters that he's worked with,including Adrien Broner. And you
know, the list is the list isenormous but and with that being
said, Harold, I think we're justabout out of time for this
broadcast. So I want to thankyou for being with us. Thank
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being with us on the boxingbreakdown. And we will see you
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