September 24, 2025 • 35 mins
What do Dwayne and I do when Stuart is out of town? We have a real deep heart to heart....that seems natural, right? Well, in today's episode, it goes deeper than design. It's about joy, stress, boundaries, and the tough but beautiful work of creating a life that feels right to all of us. We talk about the whispers we ignored until they get louder.
The wounded birds that we love and try to help. The energy we allow in our circles and what it means to truly control your own destiny. Along the way, we share our own stories of dismissal, which was not fun. Resilience and the joy we've built, not just in business, but in our hearts. If you've ever felt stuck, if you're searching for your own God wink, or if you need just a reminder that joy is possible even in the middle of the mess, this episode's for you.
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(00:00):
What do Dwayne and I do whenStuart is out of town?
(00:04):
We have a real deep part toheart that seems natural, right?
Well, in today's episode, itgoes deeper than design.
It's about joy, stress,boundaries, and the tough but
beautiful work of creating alife that feels right to all of
us.
We talk about the whispers weignored until they get louder.
The wounded birds that we loveand try to help.
(00:26):
The energy we allow in ourcircles and what it means to
truly control your own destiny.
Along the way, we share our ownstories of dismissal, which was
not fun.
Resilience and the joy we'vebuilt, not just in business, but
in our hearts.
If you've ever felt stuck, ifyou're searching for your own
God wink, or if you need just areminder that joy is possible
(00:48):
even in the middle of the mess,this episode's for you.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (01:52):
What you had told me that you wanted
to talk about seemed like itwas, I wanna say, not heavy on
your heart, but it was weighingon you to discuss
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (01:59):
Yeah.
Yeah.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (02:00):
give us a little, uh, small cliff
note version of it so that wecan get into it and start
discussing it because we'reready to inspire some people to
change their lives.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (02:12):
Well, I think it maybe it is heavy and
I didn't even realize it, but Iguess if I just blurt it in a
text, I have seemingly somebeautiful, strong women in my
life.
Whose lives are not spiraling.
That's a wrong term, but itcertainly is influx.
(02:32):
And I must be a good soundingboard.
Uh, and I'm that, that, and Itake with the pride, right,
that, you know, not everybodyfeels in a safe zone to say
where they are in their heartsand their lives.
And so for people to open up,that's a privilege, right?
So I'm certainly not sharinganybody's personal stories, but
(02:53):
what I am sharing is.
There seems to be angst in ourworld if anybody knows that.
And the angst that I'm talkingabout is the unhappiness, the
mistreatment of workenvironment.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23- (03:08):
Mm-hmm.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (03:09):
being asked to do too much or you're
not.
Seen or you're not heard.
And I think that's even beentrue here at our own work that
we've had some employees just ofrecent that we didn't, I didn't
necessarily see.
So I have to go back and kind ofreevaluate how to see them,
right?
So all these things just keepcoming into play.
(03:30):
And the reason it kind of comesinside, well, what do, what do
you have to offer?
And it really is on the outside,I think people see us as a very
successful business and theycertainly see us as having fun.
Right.
And just yesterday I ran into aclient and she, she a little bit
(03:51):
older, and she said, I just loveyour ads.
She said, y'all all having somuch fun.
I was like, what is she talkingabout?
Oh, I said, are you, are youmeaning on, on Facebook, the
post she, yeah.
Your ads.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Which is fine, right?
I'll take that.
But she sees our joy, right?
jeremy-host231_1_09-23- (04:06):
Mm-hmm.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (04:07):
And I want to share a little bit of
how, how we got our joy and isit always joy?
Absolutely not.
And then to pick up on how tohelp other people.
Find their joy and escape andget there.
'cause we're always talkingabout design joy,
jeremy-host231_1_09-23- (04:26):
Mm-hmm.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-20 (04:26):
also need to talk about the heart
joy.
Right?
And
jeremy-host231_1_09-23- (04:29):
because it's part
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (04:30):
yeah,
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2 (04:30):
knows.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (04:31):
it's, it's part of it.
So Jeremy, I'll say at this mo,I've seen you under extreme
stress at times, if anybody.
That should eat Valium at thisstore.
It's you, right?
And maybe you do.
Maybe you do, right?
Don't know.
But you hold it on yourshoulders a lot more than what I
(04:53):
see myself.
At least.
I can't speak for Stuart andStuart's on vacation guys.
Let's just let you know.
Or, well, no, he's actuallywork, isn't it?
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_0 (04:59):
a
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-20 (05:00):
It's work vacation.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (05:01):
it's kind of
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-20 (05:01):
It's a
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (05:02):
you know.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23- (05:02):
little about, but work.
But I mean, you're not, he's notdown, basically.
You never get to shut down.
So he's, he's working.
So, uh, I, for some reason I cankind of just brush everything
off and move on and give, Icould give two shits and move
on.
Right.
But not everybody can do that.
Can you do that?
Can you kind of brush it away?
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_ (05:19):
I, I, I can.
Yeah.
No, no, I definitely, Idefinitely can.
I think that, uh, the, the, uh,adult in me is like, okay, well
we gotta figure it out afterthat, right?
Like, it's, if it's somethingthat's my responsibility to
figure out, right?
Like if it's on my plate, right?
Yeah.
But no, I have no problembrushing something off and,
well, that's your problem.
I got, you know, that you, thiswas caused because of you, this
(05:42):
was you.
Um, and if you're not gonna seethat it was you, I'm moving on.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-20 (05:47):
How, how do you get there?
How how's your, is it just builtinto your DNA?
Because I don't know if you cantrain this Oprah.
Okay.
Tell me what you mean by that.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (05:55):
She, you know, and I think I've said
this on here before, um.
I can only imagine mygrandparents rolling over in
their graves talking about me,talking about learning from
Oprah.
not that they disliked Oprah,but you know, they want me to
recite the Bible and, and allthat.
But there she said one day,like, um, you know, at one point
in her life she realized thatshe had to take responsibility
(06:16):
for the energy that she allowedaround herself because.
People would make decisionsaround her or they would do
things and she would be, getreally frustrated.
And really, maybe it was moredisappointed in what they chose,
um, because she thought thatthey should have, you know,
chosen some something else.
And then she realized that,well, that's her, that's on her
(06:37):
trying to like, decide what'sbest for them.
Right?
And so, um, then she alsorealized that we don't always
make the best decisions.
Right.
And, um.
But what we can decide is, youknow, there are people that we
have in our lives, well, there'ssituations I guess we'll say
that way, that, um, are inept ofnot living in drama or not being
(07:04):
around drama or it not being.
And it's not just all drama, butlike we, I'm sure we all know
somebody that inevitably if theycan do something wrong, they're
gonna do something wrong andthen it's going to try to drag
us down into it.
Right.
And what she acknowledged at thepoint was, no matter how big or
how small it was, was that sheneeded to take responsibility
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for allowing the energy aroundher and.
She said, so she stoppedallowing that to be in, in her
inner circle.
She was like, you know, you'resupposed to have peace at home.
Right.
So she just kind of like.
Put a barrier between her andthem, or the situation or
whatever it was.
And like, I've got friends fromcollege that I love.
I mean, they were, you know,they were good people, but Lord
(07:49):
Jesus, you won't talk about ahot mess.
Like, you know.
And listen, we all are a hardmess.
I don't wanna feel like I'mjudging on people.
But, um, there was always likesomething, there's just always
was something I'm like, I gottalisten.
I gotta grow up.
I have a business, like I gotta,mm-hmm.
I don't have time for all this.
Right.
um, now I've come to the like, Ican love you and I can love you
(08:09):
from afar.
I don't have to have dinner withyou every night.
If I see you at
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23 (08:13):
Mm-hmm.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_0 (08:14):
I will walk up.
I will give you a hug, tell youI love you.
I'm so happy to see you.
'cause I little literally amright am thrilled to see you,
but I do not need you in my lifeevery day.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23 (08:24):
Mm-hmm.
So you keep it afar, right?
Don't invite it in.
Don't invite it in.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (08:28):
I'm just Uhuh.
No, I'm not, not in my space.
No.
Madea,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (08:32):
Okay.
So, no.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (08:33):
Madea says you can only have piece of
two places in your
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2025 (08:36):
So now, so as I hear this, I'm not
calling you a hypocrite,
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (08:42):
Yeah, I know.
Yeah.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (08:44):
okay?
But okay.
You'll see where you go.
You had an employee, Dina,remember her?
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (08:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (08:51):
you gave Dina more options and
choices.
What was your weakness there?
Or did you, do you see that as aweakness there?
Because there was goodness,right?
There was goodness there.
But I think I stood outside yourbubble and going, oh my God.
Why are you allowing this tocontinue
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (09:15):
Um,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-20 (09:15):
this too, too deep, too personal to.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (09:17):
no, no.
I was thinking, you know,'causemy husband and I had this really
interesting conversation, um.
A couple days ago, and it, hehas a similar um, you know,
trying to give.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (09:40):
Was she your wounded bird?
Because I love me.
Some wounded birds.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (09:43):
know what?
I think what it was and, and nowthat I'm thinking back about
like the commonalities of allthis, you know, before we, I
started working with you all,when I had that, um, job
interview for the company in NewYork, I was given that
opportunity, that chance byanother who was from the
country, from like Mississippior Alabama.
(10:04):
I can't remember where theywere.
Um, He saw my resume, that therewas something there and wanted
to give me an option, gimme achance, right?
Wanted to give me this, this,this chance to, to change my
life.
um, even though that didn't workout, because there was another
bitter queen in the situationwho decided that she didn't want
(10:25):
it to work that way.
I was always thankful for thatbecause it opened my eyes to one
being, to helping others.
Right.
Always
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (10:36):
Sure.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (10:36):
see, to see yourself in other people,
even if they aren't like you.
Right.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23 (10:40):
Mm-hmm.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (10:42):
and um, and so I feel like that's
what I was trying to do, wastrying to give an opportunity to
someone who very talented, had alot of wonderful things, and of
course they had, you know, like,like us all, there's always
something, you know.
We all have our faults.
Maybe not you, Dwayne.
Um,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (11:01):
Thank you.
Thank you for acknowledgingthat.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (11:05):
but um, and it was that trying to
give the opportunity to eitherput up or shut up and, and, you
know, there were.
Looking back now, there wereplenty of, um, actually Lord, we
just had this conversationyesterday here at the store, uh,
with a couple of the girls that,you know, I've also heard that
God tries to talk to you inlittle whispers, and if you
(11:25):
don't listen to the whispers,the whispers get a little
louder.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (11:28):
Yeah.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (11:28):
and then it is full out voices.
And then he never yells.
But then when it's, when it'sdone, he just made you, he just
hit you over the head.
And that's, that's whathappened.
I didn't listen to the, to thewhispers.
Um,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (11:40):
Yeah.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (11:40):
And so like, I knew, I was really,
really trying to, uh, do, andI'm not gonna say that, that,
uh, that situation was much,much more complex.
I think there was a lot morethings rolling into it, but it
was also, you gotta grow up andbe an adult.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23 (11:57):
Mm-hmm.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (11:57):
yeah, so, yeah.
Yeah,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23- (11:59):
Right.
And that evolved.
That evolved.
And as you learn from it, yeah.
But, uh, and I get it.
I get every bit of it.
You know, mine's in the weirdestway.
I love me.
You, you, you've seen that.
I've brought people in here thatare winning birds and try to
help them.
And sometimes it works out andsometimes it doesn't.
Um, still never gonna walk awayfrom that.
(12:20):
And the thing that, uh, is veryodd about me is.
Uh, don't disappoint me.
Right?
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (12:30):
yeah,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2025 (12:31):
Or don't lie to me.
Right?
Oh gosh.
And that's a tough one, andthat's a tough one for me to
learn.
It was just maybe six weeks ago,Kathy said to me, she said, um,
in essence, it's not her.
It's true words, but basicallyyou rot people off too quickly.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_0 (12:47):
I
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (12:47):
You don't see that.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (12:48):
No.
Well, or no, what I, I thinkthat, of course, you know, our,
our spouses can say things andit might cut a different way.
Like I'm sure that might have
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2025 (12:55):
It didn't cut me.
It didn't cut me.
That didn't cut me.
It did not cut me.
No, I didn't take that as a jabat all.
No, I saw it as a.
As a reflection.
As a reflection.
No, I was trying to think of theright adjective.
Yeah.
No, I like, I,'cause I trust herimplicitly and she doesn't say
lot.
And so when she said that I hadto stand back and hear that, I
don't have to necessarily agreewith it.
(13:17):
Uh, but in this instance Ithink,
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (13:20):
it?
Yeah.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2025_ (13:20):
I think I, I hear it.
Uh, and I'm, I, I at least learnfrom it and give somebody a
second or a third chance.
Um, do you, you see theopposite?
Maybe I give too many chanceshere.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (13:31):
no,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (13:31):
No, no, no.
She's right.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23- (13:34):
there's a flexibility.
I do th I mean, I do think thatthere's a, a spectrum, and I
think it also
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (13:38):
Okay.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (13:39):
what role that person is playing for
you.
If it is, and part of it I get,if it's a, I.
Tradesman, or it's someone who'sgoing into someone's home if
they royally screw up and thenthey don't hold themselves
accountable.
If they don't admit like thatthey've done this and it was
their mistake, you're done.
D uh,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23- (13:56):
That's what it was.
That's what it was.
That's what it was.
Yeah.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (14:00):
that because you
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-20 (14:01):
you.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (14:01):
can't take that to a customer's home.
Right.
But I
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23- (14:03):
Right, right, right.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_ (14:04):
be a little bit more, there's some
more of that with other peoplethough too.
With I sometimes I'm alwayslike, oh, okay, he, well, he is
done with her and that's notnecessarily
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (14:12):
Yeah,
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (14:12):
but it might be something else.
I'm like, oh, he done with her.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (14:14):
yeah.
No, no, no.
It's true.
It's true.
That is very true and I have tohear that.
The tradesman thing, I think forthe most part is warranted.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (14:24):
Oh,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (14:24):
Um,
jeremy-host231_1_09-23- (14:25):
Mm-hmm.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23 (14:26):
Because my, uh, first do what you say
you're gonna do.
Don't lie to me.
Don't be deceitful.
But also I can't refer you toother people, and I'm not going
to all those kind of layers,but, um.
When it comes to people, I thinkthat's a different way to see
it.
Um, I don't, I, I don't, again,it gets too deep into therapy,
but I don't know why I work thatway, but I am, I'm hearing those
(14:48):
words and I'm stepping back andreflecting more time, and then
I'll go, yeah, screw it.
They, they're still not worth mytime or, and that's okay.
And that's okay.
Right?
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (14:58):
That is
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (14:58):
okay.
But also you go, yeah, maybe Iwas rushed to decision too
quickly or I, um, I need to kindof step back and re-see it
through their lens.
And that's just getting older.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (15:13):
Yeah.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23- (15:13):
That's just getting older.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (15:14):
would
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23- (15:14):
That's just getting older.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (15:16):
even in college, like my mom would
always get onto me'cause of,she'd be like, you are so quick.
Like, whatever I would have tosay, or whatever my opinion,
like whatever the situation was.
She was like, you, she's like,you bounce off way too fast.
And I was like, well, that'swhat I think.
'cause she's like, but is thatthe true, like, is that the
reality of the situation?
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (15:33):
Wise?
Yeah.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_0 (15:35):
I was like, well, well I, to me.
And she was like, well, youremember, there's both.
And so I think I have learnedrealize, like, listen, we're
all, we all, the, the rule thatthey tell tell us all when we're
kids is that adults, you know,have it together and know what
they're doing.
Um, and when we realized when webecome adults that the adults
had, were just as clueless as wewere when we were kids.
We're just trying to do our bestto get through.
(15:57):
So, yeah.
So now it's a lot more of, uh.
Uh oh.
Who was it?
Somebody?
It was on TikTok and it was, uh,and I thought, Lord, you know,
you look back at things thatshaped you as a child, and it
was a song from, oh, Jesus, Idon't remember.
No, it was Colors of the Wind.
So which one would that havebeen from?
Anyway, but the lyrics said, um,something like, uh, when you
(16:20):
walk in the path of a stranger,you learn things you never knew.
You never knew.
And that I was like, yeah, Lord,I guess I listened to this when
I was little.
'cause it makes sense to me now.
Like,'cause I'm always trying tofigure out, uh, to, to
understand that we're all comingfrom different places.
So.
Well, okay, so how does all thisback to trying to find your, uh,
(16:47):
joy?
How does this,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (16:50):
Well, what, what I'm trying to get,
what I'm trying to get acrossis, um, people are.
Your successful business, you'vedone it on your own.
And, um, how do I get there andjust don't feel stuck?
Look, I, I'll tell this woman'sstory.
I told it before, and many ofyou may know, but the three of
(17:11):
us were together in thisbusiness, but we didn't decide
that we were, um.
jeremy-host231_1_09- (17:18):
Dismissed.
dwayne-guest716_1_09- (17:19):
Dismissed is the always the
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (17:21):
Yeah.
That's
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2025 (17:22):
PA positive.
Yes.
Dismissed.
Well, it it gives youconnotation of, uh, yeah.
You, you're less than.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (17:31):
Who would want to get rid of us?
Who in their
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-20 (17:33):
Hmm.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (17:34):
Who would
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (17:35):
Well, it worked out for us, didn't it?
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (17:36):
were fun.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2025 (17:38):
I, well, I know that, I know we
were fun.
I know that we worked hard.
I know that we treated ourcustomers well.
I know that, um.
We were taking the business byfar in the right direction.
So to be dismissed when you, youbelieve in your heart that
you've done everything right.
(17:59):
That hurt.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23- (18:00):
Mm-hmm.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2025 (18:01):
It hurt.
It hurt because I was like, didhurt.
Did it hurt you?
You were
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (18:06):
know,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23- (18:06):
young.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (18:07):
was
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (18:07):
You were so young.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (18:08):
was 29, 30.
I was so clueless.
Yeah.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (18:12):
And I was 80, so it hurt 80.
Right.
To be dismantled.
Imagine how old Stuart was.
Uh, so it hurt.
It hurt because when you aredoing absolutely all that you
can, and the, the, I'm gonna sayit, the cockroaches around you.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23- (18:32):
Mm-hmm.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23 (18:34):
Thrived and were seen
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (18:36):
Yeah.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23- (18:37):
lifted up.
You're like, how can you not seethe truth
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (18:42):
Mm.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-20 (18:43):
your boss's boss tells employees to
walk around with a hammer to themaintenance person, Terry, who
was the nicest man in the world,and say, just look like you're
busy, as opposed to actuallygiving him tasks to do.
Right.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (18:58):
Yeah.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-20 (18:58):
know you're in trouble.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (18:59):
Yeah.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (19:01):
You know?
Did you know that story?
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_ (19:02):
Oh yeah.
No, no.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2025 (19:03):
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
I mean it was absolutely justridiculous.
So what I want to say to peopleis this has not been an easy
path, right?
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_ (19:12):
Mm
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (19:13):
Uh, it just has not.
And, um, some of us are workingharder than others that are
business owners, Jeremy, andlook at it.
Thank you Jeremy.
'cause you're the smart one andyou got great hair.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_0 (19:28):
I do,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (19:28):
Well, at least I have a good
personality.
Yeah.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (19:30):
Well,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (19:30):
And uh, yeah.
'cause you know you'd be nothingwithout me and my personality.
Right.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_0 (19:34):
I know I know
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (19:36):
Are you aware?
Yeah.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (19:38):
well aware you've told me from day
one.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-20 (19:40):
Have I now?
Okay.
There you go.
So for those who are out therestruggling, this may not be the
easiest thing to do, but I justcome back to.
Control your own destiny with awhole lot of caveats, right?
If not everybody is meant tocontrol their own destiny in
(20:01):
that.
Owning your business is what I'mreally dancing around, right in
this part, in this one layer,because if you're not
self-motivated.
Uh, if you're not, uh, I have tosay it again.
If you don't have an immense,uh, flow of talent coming out
your veins and you can't jumpfrom one thing to another, you
better not do it right.
You better not do it.
(20:22):
No.
What you thinking?
I see your face.
You
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_0 (20:24):
I was thinking about the talent
part.
I thought that was aninteresting word to put in
there.
I, I don't, don't, and I guess
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23- (20:33):
better have a gift.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (20:34):
No.
Yeah.
But the gift doesn't mean it hasto be a talent.
Gifts come in many
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (20:39):
Uh, I, uh, I, I use it interchange
interchangeably.
In other words, you better havea skillset, right, that you're
good at, that you like, okay,whatever that skill set, a gift,
a talent, whatever you wannacall it, you better have a
skillset that you love, that youlike, and you better be willing
to go work really, really hardat it.
(21:00):
Right?
Like you don't need.
Look, the talent that I have asfar as, uh, making flower
arrangements.
Huh?
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_0 (21:10):
I said I can't wait
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (21:11):
The talent I have, well, the talent
I have is flower arrangements.
Um, I didn't earn that.
That was a gift from God.
Right.
That the, I didn't, nobodytaught me how to do this.
I mean, a little bit taught me,but you get better and better at
it.
But there's an in instinctuallythere's something in you that
you understand how to do itright.
(21:33):
And if you don't have thatskillset, you wanna pursue it,
you're probably going up thewrong path.
Right?
In other words, if you, uh, ifyou like, I've always wanted to
be a window cleaner.
But I really don't like bugs andclimbing up high, you are
probably making a mistake,right?
So it better does that make,does an analogy make sense?
(21:56):
You need to follow your dream,but you need to understand, to
follow the dream with the skillsets that have been given to you
that also that you want toutilize, right?
Just because you have a gift,not everybody.
You know, the, the, the, themechanic is a gift to me, that's
a gift from God, right?
That he, I don't have thatskillset.
And I appreciate a mechanicbecause he mostly, there's some,
(22:20):
she's, but mostly he's right.
Can see it and how to do that.
And if you love to tinker andyou love to take things apart
and you love things, put it backtogether.
You're, you're mostly a niceperson.
Mostly not every mechanic's anice person, but if you have
some personality and someskillset, you can go control
(22:41):
your destiny all day long,right?
You don't have to go work forToyota.
You don't have to work you.
You can go control your owndestiny, but you have to be
willing to work some Saturdaysand you have to be willing to
come in at seven o'clock in themorning.
But then when you put the 10,15, 20 years in, you don't
necessarily have to be there.
You have somebody else thathelps you, right?
(23:02):
So you build upon that process.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23- (23:04):
Mm-hmm.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (23:05):
Are you getting where I'm going with
this?
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (23:07):
Yeah, I, um, you know, I kinda look at
it from.
There, you know, if, if there'ssomething that brings you joy
and, and, and it really fulfillsyour soul and spirit, whatever
it is, you may not need to makethat your all in being job, if
you, you know what I'm like,this can be your side hustle and
(23:28):
maybe the side hustle willbecomes something that brings
you joy and then explodes.
I'm not sure, but.
But you were discussing more oflike, if this is like creating
your own destiny.
Like doing,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (23:40):
Yeah.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_ (23:40):
is not everybody has that.
They don't, they don't have thatin them.
Right.
Like they, it, it's
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (23:45):
No, they just don't.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2 (23:46):
you've
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-20 (23:46):
Not, not.
jeremy-host231_1_09-2 (23:47):
benefits.
That's the, that's the hardestthing if you've got Ben,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-20 (23:50):
Well that.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2 (23:51):
really hard to walk away from.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2025 (23:52):
We as Americans are held, held
captive.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (23:55):
Yeah.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2025 (23:57):
We are held captive
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (23:58):
Yeah.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2025 (23:59):
to staying in jobs because of
health insurance related issues.
Right?
That's, that's, that's it.
A lot of us can figure out howto save our own money and 4 0 1
Ks we do that.
You can't walk out the door'cause you can't afford health
insurance and which they'll denyhalf of it.
We're not gonna go down thatpath, but we are, we are in a
bad place.
(24:19):
And, uh, that's doesn't seem tobe gonna be fixed,
jeremy-host231_1_09-23- (24:22):
Mm-hmm.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (24:23):
uh, for a while, if ever at this
point it seems problematic.
So what I keep coming back to asyou see us, you see us
successful, but, and we are andwe're having fun.
But it's built uponunderstanding.
Both of you as business partnershave said, we'll do whatever it
takes, if that's what we need todo.
(24:45):
You've said this, I've bothheard you say that we'll do
whatever it takes, which means,you know, like.
You are our, our, um, life isgetting ready to change.
It's like, uh, was workingSabrina, who makes the store
schedule now, and she said,well, what Saturdays do you
work?
Uh, in November?
I'm like, uh, all of them andI'll be here the Saturday before
(25:07):
that, the open house.
And I said, at the very minimum,you'll go ahead and put me down
the satter the first Saturday ofDecember.
Also.
She said, you wanna be here forall of those?
It's like, uh, no.
No, I really don't.
I wanna be home.
Right?
But I know that's what it takesto make this business
successful.
Now, I may not be here everyJune, Saturday anymore, right?
(25:29):
And probably the bus businesswould be more successful if I
were, but at a certain point, Idon't care.
Right.
There's not enough.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (25:36):
It's not, it's not
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-20 (25:37):
It's not sustainable.
Right.
And we've done it for a very,very, very, very long time.
All three of us, well, we onlyhad three of us, and we all
worked our Saturdays and we, youknow, we rotated it off.
And one of the things is,because I, when I say this, I.
In truth that Jeremy, you know,was always tied to the computer
and Stuart is, I'm not hereevery single day of the week and
(25:58):
the other guys are, and so oneof the things that I make sure
of is I've said to the staff outfront, I may not be here on this
Saturday, but my phone is withme.
Right.
And I'm basically, uh, this ismy pager.
I'm a doctor.
I'm on call that don't callJeremy on Saturdays.
Right.
I, I think I've told you this,haven't I?
(26:18):
And don't call Stuart call mebecause I'm trying to make up
for not being here every singleday of the week, and if you've
got problems, let me fix it andlet me take care of it.
If I can't, then.
I'll revert back to one of theguys and it's always, what I
can't do is the computer stuff,if there's a glitch or
something, but I can take careof a customer service, something
I can take care of.
(26:38):
Uh, 99% of the time it is suchand such is here.
What do I need to do about that?
And it's an easy fix.
So just do this, right?
So.
With that said, though, you'rekind of, as a business owner,
you're always on call.
And if you'll those who listento our podcast, remember our
sweet friend Noelle Dick from afew weeks ago, she's like, if
(27:00):
you get the phone call, you go,you go fix the toilet at five
o'clock in the morning.
Right?
jeremy-host231_1_09-23- (27:04):
Mm-hmm.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (27:04):
And um, it can be exhausting
mentally because you're kind ofalways on.
Right?
And the other thing I've alwayssaid, I wanna take my.
Phone with me, and when I'm onvacation, I'm likely gonna leave
it in the hotel room, right.
Or the house or wherever we'restaying at.
I said, so here's Kathy'stelephone number.
(27:24):
Call her if the store's burningdown.
Right?
'cause I assure you, this is aweek that I need away from this
crazy place.
But if you call her aboutsomebody's missing bow.
I assure you, whoever called mewill have the wrath when I come
back.
Right?
Because at a certain point, andit does not happen any longer,
(27:45):
there were stupid things oflike, oh, it was in a bag.
The bow was in a bag.
This came from a real story.
Yeah, but it had her name on itwith the card on it.
Everything.
If you just would read youIlliterate Bitch, right?
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (28:02):
When I'm outta here, I leave my phone
in the, the safe.
I don't even carry it with me.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (28:07):
Yeah, well that's, you have to, for
your
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (28:10):
and if it burns down, I'll find
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23- (28:11):
right.
And I never call you, I never, Idon't think I've ever called
either of you on vacation.
I don't think I ever have calledyou.
'cause it's like, it ain't thatimportant.
Uh, because it, it, it can wait.
It can wait because what we dofor the most part is not, uh,
earth shattering and it's notgonna change the world, right?
So long story is, let's go backto this.
Control your destiny.
(28:32):
If you are stuck in a place.
Hear the whispering, you're notstuck.
But you have to be smart aboutthese moves and you gotta put
things in play that you have tobe willing to work harder than
you've ever worked in your life.
Now, many years later, you getthe benefits of that not
necessarily being so true.
(28:53):
Now Jeremy hasn't experiencedthat yet, but I have.
So as he laughs and looks at me,right.
Um.
But we need to find our joy andthat.
So I hope our joy gives you joyand we're encouraging you to go
find your joy
jeremy-host231_1_09-23- (29:09):
Mm-hmm.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23 (29:10):
because joy is joy.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (29:11):
Joy,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2025_ (29:12):
I love joy.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (29:13):
down in my heart.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-20 (29:15):
Woo.
There you go.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_ (29:17):
We can
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (29:17):
Did this uplift anybody?
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_ (29:19):
I, I, I don't know.
They probably were bored outtatheir minds, but, um, no, I
think
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (29:24):
Well, I need a therapy today, and it's
cheaper to talk to you than itis to go to a therapist.
So.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (29:28):
Hey, you know, Hey, um, well, that's
what the insurance is for.
Um, and uh, the other thing Iwanted to say, and this is just
about the, the finding your joy,and, and, and I think I've said
this before, this is maybe acommon thread that's run through
a lot of the, our conversationsis that, Sometimes even where we
find our joy, sometimes it's inunexpected places.
(29:51):
And when those pop up toacknowledge them and and to see
them.
And when those chances or thoseopportunities for that joy, um,
present themselves to take themit no matter how big or small
they are.
Um,'cause I think that those.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2025 (30:08):
it kind of like the dance is, is it
like a god wink that there'sthings.
It happen.
Uh.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (30:13):
you know, I, I always think about,
um, and this is, I mean, this isthe extreme, but I remember
when, uh, was younger and wassitting in the church and the
preacher was telling the storyabout some, um, you know, flood
and these people were all on theroof of their houses and they
were praying for God to comesave them.
Right.
Um, then people came by on a, araft or something and said, Hey,
(30:37):
we can, you know, pick you up.
And they're like, no, I'mpraying to God.
He is gonna save me, And then,an hour and a half later,
somebody comes by in a rescueboat.
And it says, okay, we're hereto, we can get you.
He's like, no, I've been prayingto God.
You know, God's gonna save me.
And then of course, then thewaters up and then they die.
Um, very uplifting story.
This may not been how it wasoriginally told, but this is how
my 12-year-old self remembersthis story.
(30:59):
Um, and so they die and they getto the pearly gates and they see
God there and they're like, God,why didn't you save me?
And he's like, what do you mean?
I sent you a raft?
I sent you the boat.
I sent you all, you know, allthese things.
And so sometimes.
Sometimes we're so stuck onseeing opportunities as one way
we don't see them in what, whatother forms they might come in.
(31:21):
So that's, that's more, more ofwhat it is.
Yeah.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (31:25):
No, that's beautiful.
Right?
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (31:26):
know, I don't, I'm always looking for,
I'm always looking for the raft.
I'm always looking for themoment.
And honestly, I think that's whyI see, you know, this is what I
always say, uh, when I see, youknow, my number, you know,
you've got your number rightthat you see all the time.
Um,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (31:41):
It, it literally was texted to me
during this, um.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (31:47):
See?
dwayne-guest716_1 (31:47):
Conversation, lovely wife is getting ready to
go into a meeting that she'snervous about
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (31:52):
Yep.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (31:53):
and the meeting is scheduled 4 8 3
5, a meeting that potentiallycan change a meeting that could
potentially has the ability topositively change her life at 8
3 5.
If that is not a God wink, Idon't know what it's.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_ (32:11):
I, I, I tell like people do not
believe me.
Well, when I say that, I seelike 11, 11 every day, and it's
not always on the clock, butmost the time of day it is.
But it, I see it the time.
And for me it is always justthis little god wink of you're,
you're exactly where you'resupposed to be, or a reminder
that I'm not alone.
Um, and that, uh, I'm, I'm hereand I've got.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (32:35):
Well, I wanna go back to this number 8
3 5.
Just for a minute, I, thatnumber actually scared me.
I had an angst about thatnumber.
And I think it was both you andStuart,
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (32:48):
Yeah, because,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23- (32:49):
right?
Do you, do you remember whatyou, whoever the two of you or
both of you said to me?
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (32:54):
no, I don't remember what we said,
but I do remember us being inthe car and I think on the way
to Atlanta and there was, it was
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-20 (32:58):
Yes.
Yes.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_ (32:59):
of a car.
Yeah.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-20 (33:00):
Yes, yes.
Well, I, I, I, a voice of aconcern, and it was the both of
you.
It's like, why do you perceiveit to be a bad thing?
Why can't it be a good thing?
You know, maybe, maybesomebody's telling you this is a
good number,
jeremy-host231_1_09-23- (33:15):
Mm-hmm.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (33:16):
not a bad number.
And I heard that and I receivedthat and I went.
Somebody's telling me something,there's goodness coming from
this.
And when I started seeing thegoodness of the number, it kind
of, I know this sounds reallywoo woo, but um, it, it
happened, it and it, so itliterally, God wink just
(33:39):
happened in a text seven minutesago during this conversation.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (33:43):
Well,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (33:44):
And so sometimes I.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_ (33:47):
on me to bring up until the very
end.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23 (33:50):
Really,
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_ (33:51):
it was
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (33:51):
was in your heart.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (33:52):
Yeah,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (33:53):
Yeah, yeah,
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (33:53):
Yeah.
You
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (33:54):
yeah, yeah.
Here we are.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23- (33:56):
woowoo.
I'll be a woowoo bird.
I don't care.
Woowoo
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (33:59):
Yeah.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (34:01):
Well, we hope
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (34:02):
Well, kids, that's all I got for you.
Yeah, that's all I got to share.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_ (34:05):
we hope that maybe just some
general discussion of findingour joy and finding the
inspiration and realizing howhard you have to work, but
realizing that that's in, builtinto most of us.
I'm not gonna say all of us, butwhen you have to do it for you
and your
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (34:18):
No,
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2 (34:18):
you're
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (34:19):
no, no, no.
I'm gonna stop you there.
Mm-hmm.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_0 (34:21):
I know what you're gonna
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2025 (34:22):
It uhuh, uh, that's why I dismiss
you.
If you lazy, I'm gonna dismissyou.
Okay.
Next.
Yeah.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (34:30):
uh, but hopefully you're not lazy.
I can't imagine that most of youare, um, and, uh, that wherever
you find your
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23 (34:36):
They're certainly smart listening to us.
For our wisdom today
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (34:39):
the wisdom, they are ready to sit at
the bottom of our fountain ofwisdom.
And I'm so, I'm so thankful forthat.
All right.
Well guys, thanks for listeningthis week.
We'll be back next week withanother episode, and until then,
you can get all of the importantdetails in the show notes below.
We will see you all then.
What do Dwayne and I do whenStuart is out of town?
(00:04):
We have a real deep part toheart that seems natural, right?
Well, in today's episode, itgoes deeper than design.
It's about joy, stress,boundaries, and the tough but
beautiful work of creating alife that feels right to all of
us.
We talk about the whispers weignored until they get louder.
The wounded birds that we loveand try to help.
(00:26):
The energy we allow in ourcircles and what it means to
truly control your own destiny.
Along the way, we share our ownstories of dismissal, which was
not fun.
Resilience and the joy we'vebuilt, not just in business, but
in our hearts.
If you've ever felt stuck, ifyou're searching for your own
God wink, or if you need just areminder that joy is possible
(00:48):
even in the middle of the mess,this episode's for you.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (01:52):
What you had told me that you wanted
to talk about seemed like itwas, I wanna say, not heavy on
your heart, but it was weighingon you to discuss
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (01:59):
Yeah.
Yeah.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (02:00):
give us a little, uh, small cliff
note version of it so that wecan get into it and start
discussing it because we'reready to inspire some people to
change their lives.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (02:12):
Well, I think it maybe it is heavy and
I didn't even realize it, but Iguess if I just blurt it in a
text, I have seemingly somebeautiful, strong women in my
life.
Whose lives are not spiraling.
That's a wrong term, but itcertainly is influx.
(02:32):
And I must be a good soundingboard.
Uh, and I'm that, that, and Itake with the pride, right,
that, you know, not everybodyfeels in a safe zone to say
where they are in their heartsand their lives.
And so for people to open up,that's a privilege, right?
So I'm certainly not sharinganybody's personal stories, but
(02:53):
what I am sharing is.
There seems to be angst in ourworld if anybody knows that.
And the angst that I'm talkingabout is the unhappiness, the
mistreatment of workenvironment.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23- (03:08):
Mm-hmm.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (03:09):
being asked to do too much or you're
not.
Seen or you're not heard.
And I think that's even beentrue here at our own work that
we've had some employees just ofrecent that we didn't, I didn't
necessarily see.
So I have to go back and kind ofreevaluate how to see them,
right?
So all these things just keepcoming into play.
(03:30):
And the reason it kind of comesinside, well, what do, what do
you have to offer?
And it really is on the outside,I think people see us as a very
successful business and theycertainly see us as having fun.
Right.
And just yesterday I ran into aclient and she, she a little bit
(03:51):
older, and she said, I just loveyour ads.
She said, y'all all having somuch fun.
I was like, what is she talkingabout?
Oh, I said, are you, are youmeaning on, on Facebook, the
post she, yeah.
Your ads.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Which is fine, right?
I'll take that.
But she sees our joy, right?
jeremy-host231_1_09-23- (04:06):
Mm-hmm.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (04:07):
And I want to share a little bit of
how, how we got our joy and isit always joy?
Absolutely not.
And then to pick up on how tohelp other people.
Find their joy and escape andget there.
'cause we're always talkingabout design joy,
jeremy-host231_1_09-23- (04:26):
Mm-hmm.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-20 (04:26):
also need to talk about the heart
joy.
Right?
And
jeremy-host231_1_09-23- (04:29):
because it's part
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (04:30):
yeah,
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2 (04:30):
knows.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (04:31):
it's, it's part of it.
So Jeremy, I'll say at this mo,I've seen you under extreme
stress at times, if anybody.
That should eat Valium at thisstore.
It's you, right?
And maybe you do.
Maybe you do, right?
Don't know.
But you hold it on yourshoulders a lot more than what I
(04:53):
see myself.
At least.
I can't speak for Stuart andStuart's on vacation guys.
Let's just let you know.
Or, well, no, he's actuallywork, isn't it?
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_0 (04:59):
a
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-20 (05:00):
It's work vacation.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (05:01):
it's kind of
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-20 (05:01):
It's a
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (05:02):
you know.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23- (05:02):
little about, but work.
But I mean, you're not, he's notdown, basically.
You never get to shut down.
So he's, he's working.
So, uh, I, for some reason I cankind of just brush everything
off and move on and give, Icould give two shits and move
on.
Right.
But not everybody can do that.
Can you do that?
Can you kind of brush it away?
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_ (05:19):
I, I, I can.
Yeah.
No, no, I definitely, Idefinitely can.
I think that, uh, the, the, uh,adult in me is like, okay, well
we gotta figure it out afterthat, right?
Like, it's, if it's somethingthat's my responsibility to
figure out, right?
Like if it's on my plate, right?
Yeah.
But no, I have no problembrushing something off and,
well, that's your problem.
I got, you know, that you, thiswas caused because of you, this
(05:42):
was you.
Um, and if you're not gonna seethat it was you, I'm moving on.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-20 (05:47):
How, how do you get there?
How how's your, is it just builtinto your DNA?
Because I don't know if you cantrain this Oprah.
Okay.
Tell me what you mean by that.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (05:55):
She, you know, and I think I've said
this on here before, um.
I can only imagine mygrandparents rolling over in
their graves talking about me,talking about learning from
Oprah.
not that they disliked Oprah,but you know, they want me to
recite the Bible and, and allthat.
But there she said one day,like, um, you know, at one point
in her life she realized thatshe had to take responsibility
(06:16):
for the energy that she allowedaround herself because.
People would make decisionsaround her or they would do
things and she would be, getreally frustrated.
And really, maybe it was moredisappointed in what they chose,
um, because she thought thatthey should have, you know,
chosen some something else.
And then she realized that,well, that's her, that's on her
(06:37):
trying to like, decide what'sbest for them.
Right?
And so, um, then she alsorealized that we don't always
make the best decisions.
Right.
And, um.
But what we can decide is, youknow, there are people that we
have in our lives, well, there'ssituations I guess we'll say
that way, that, um, are inept ofnot living in drama or not being
(07:04):
around drama or it not being.
And it's not just all drama, butlike we, I'm sure we all know
somebody that inevitably if theycan do something wrong, they're
gonna do something wrong andthen it's going to try to drag
us down into it.
Right.
And what she acknowledged at thepoint was, no matter how big or
how small it was, was that sheneeded to take responsibility
(07:26):
for allowing the energy aroundher and.
She said, so she stoppedallowing that to be in, in her
inner circle.
She was like, you know, you'resupposed to have peace at home.
Right.
So she just kind of like.
Put a barrier between her andthem, or the situation or
whatever it was.
And like, I've got friends fromcollege that I love.
I mean, they were, you know,they were good people, but Lord
(07:49):
Jesus, you won't talk about ahot mess.
Like, you know.
And listen, we all are a hardmess.
I don't wanna feel like I'mjudging on people.
But, um, there was always likesomething, there's just always
was something I'm like, I gottalisten.
I gotta grow up.
I have a business, like I gotta,mm-hmm.
I don't have time for all this.
Right.
um, now I've come to the like, Ican love you and I can love you
(08:09):
from afar.
I don't have to have dinner withyou every night.
If I see you at
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23 (08:13):
Mm-hmm.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_0 (08:14):
I will walk up.
I will give you a hug, tell youI love you.
I'm so happy to see you.
'cause I little literally amright am thrilled to see you,
but I do not need you in my lifeevery day.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23 (08:24):
Mm-hmm.
So you keep it afar, right?
Don't invite it in.
Don't invite it in.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (08:28):
I'm just Uhuh.
No, I'm not, not in my space.
No.
Madea,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (08:32):
Okay.
So, no.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (08:33):
Madea says you can only have piece of
two places in your
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2025 (08:36):
So now, so as I hear this, I'm not
calling you a hypocrite,
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (08:42):
Yeah, I know.
Yeah.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (08:44):
okay?
But okay.
You'll see where you go.
You had an employee, Dina,remember her?
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (08:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (08:51):
you gave Dina more options and
choices.
What was your weakness there?
Or did you, do you see that as aweakness there?
Because there was goodness,right?
There was goodness there.
But I think I stood outside yourbubble and going, oh my God.
Why are you allowing this tocontinue
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (09:15):
Um,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-20 (09:15):
this too, too deep, too personal to.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (09:17):
no, no.
I was thinking, you know,'causemy husband and I had this really
interesting conversation, um.
A couple days ago, and it, hehas a similar um, you know,
trying to give.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (09:40):
Was she your wounded bird?
Because I love me.
Some wounded birds.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (09:43):
know what?
I think what it was and, and nowthat I'm thinking back about
like the commonalities of allthis, you know, before we, I
started working with you all,when I had that, um, job
interview for the company in NewYork, I was given that
opportunity, that chance byanother who was from the
country, from like Mississippior Alabama.
(10:04):
I can't remember where theywere.
Um, He saw my resume, that therewas something there and wanted
to give me an option, gimme achance, right?
Wanted to give me this, this,this chance to, to change my
life.
um, even though that didn't workout, because there was another
bitter queen in the situationwho decided that she didn't want
(10:25):
it to work that way.
I was always thankful for thatbecause it opened my eyes to one
being, to helping others.
Right.
Always
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (10:36):
Sure.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (10:36):
see, to see yourself in other people,
even if they aren't like you.
Right.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23 (10:40):
Mm-hmm.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (10:42):
and um, and so I feel like that's
what I was trying to do, wastrying to give an opportunity to
someone who very talented, had alot of wonderful things, and of
course they had, you know, like,like us all, there's always
something, you know.
We all have our faults.
Maybe not you, Dwayne.
Um,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (11:01):
Thank you.
Thank you for acknowledgingthat.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (11:05):
but um, and it was that trying to
give the opportunity to eitherput up or shut up and, and, you
know, there were.
Looking back now, there wereplenty of, um, actually Lord, we
just had this conversationyesterday here at the store, uh,
with a couple of the girls that,you know, I've also heard that
God tries to talk to you inlittle whispers, and if you
(11:25):
don't listen to the whispers,the whispers get a little
louder.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (11:28):
Yeah.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (11:28):
and then it is full out voices.
And then he never yells.
But then when it's, when it'sdone, he just made you, he just
hit you over the head.
And that's, that's whathappened.
I didn't listen to the, to thewhispers.
Um,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (11:40):
Yeah.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (11:40):
And so like, I knew, I was really,
really trying to, uh, do, andI'm not gonna say that, that,
uh, that situation was much,much more complex.
I think there was a lot morethings rolling into it, but it
was also, you gotta grow up andbe an adult.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23 (11:57):
Mm-hmm.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (11:57):
yeah, so, yeah.
Yeah,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23- (11:59):
Right.
And that evolved.
That evolved.
And as you learn from it, yeah.
But, uh, and I get it.
I get every bit of it.
You know, mine's in the weirdestway.
I love me.
You, you, you've seen that.
I've brought people in here thatare winning birds and try to
help them.
And sometimes it works out andsometimes it doesn't.
Um, still never gonna walk awayfrom that.
(12:20):
And the thing that, uh, is veryodd about me is.
Uh, don't disappoint me.
Right?
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (12:30):
yeah,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2025 (12:31):
Or don't lie to me.
Right?
Oh gosh.
And that's a tough one, andthat's a tough one for me to
learn.
It was just maybe six weeks ago,Kathy said to me, she said, um,
in essence, it's not her.
It's true words, but basicallyyou rot people off too quickly.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_0 (12:47):
I
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (12:47):
You don't see that.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (12:48):
No.
Well, or no, what I, I thinkthat, of course, you know, our,
our spouses can say things andit might cut a different way.
Like I'm sure that might have
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2025 (12:55):
It didn't cut me.
It didn't cut me.
That didn't cut me.
It did not cut me.
No, I didn't take that as a jabat all.
No, I saw it as a.
As a reflection.
As a reflection.
No, I was trying to think of theright adjective.
Yeah.
No, I like, I,'cause I trust herimplicitly and she doesn't say
lot.
And so when she said that I hadto stand back and hear that, I
don't have to necessarily agreewith it.
(13:17):
Uh, but in this instance Ithink,
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (13:20):
it?
Yeah.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2025_ (13:20):
I think I, I hear it.
Uh, and I'm, I, I at least learnfrom it and give somebody a
second or a third chance.
Um, do you, you see theopposite?
Maybe I give too many chanceshere.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (13:31):
no,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (13:31):
No, no, no.
She's right.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23- (13:34):
there's a flexibility.
I do th I mean, I do think thatthere's a, a spectrum, and I
think it also
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (13:38):
Okay.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (13:39):
what role that person is playing for
you.
If it is, and part of it I get,if it's a, I.
Tradesman, or it's someone who'sgoing into someone's home if
they royally screw up and thenthey don't hold themselves
accountable.
If they don't admit like thatthey've done this and it was
their mistake, you're done.
D uh,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23- (13:56):
That's what it was.
That's what it was.
That's what it was.
Yeah.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (14:00):
that because you
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-20 (14:01):
you.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (14:01):
can't take that to a customer's home.
Right.
But I
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23- (14:03):
Right, right, right.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_ (14:04):
be a little bit more, there's some
more of that with other peoplethough too.
With I sometimes I'm alwayslike, oh, okay, he, well, he is
done with her and that's notnecessarily
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (14:12):
Yeah,
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (14:12):
but it might be something else.
I'm like, oh, he done with her.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (14:14):
yeah.
No, no, no.
It's true.
It's true.
That is very true and I have tohear that.
The tradesman thing, I think forthe most part is warranted.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (14:24):
Oh,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (14:24):
Um,
jeremy-host231_1_09-23- (14:25):
Mm-hmm.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23 (14:26):
Because my, uh, first do what you say
you're gonna do.
Don't lie to me.
Don't be deceitful.
But also I can't refer you toother people, and I'm not going
to all those kind of layers,but, um.
When it comes to people, I thinkthat's a different way to see
it.
Um, I don't, I, I don't, again,it gets too deep into therapy,
but I don't know why I work thatway, but I am, I'm hearing those
(14:48):
words and I'm stepping back andreflecting more time, and then
I'll go, yeah, screw it.
They, they're still not worth mytime or, and that's okay.
And that's okay.
Right?
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (14:58):
That is
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (14:58):
okay.
But also you go, yeah, maybe Iwas rushed to decision too
quickly or I, um, I need to kindof step back and re-see it
through their lens.
And that's just getting older.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (15:13):
Yeah.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23- (15:13):
That's just getting older.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (15:14):
would
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23- (15:14):
That's just getting older.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (15:16):
even in college, like my mom would
always get onto me'cause of,she'd be like, you are so quick.
Like, whatever I would have tosay, or whatever my opinion,
like whatever the situation was.
She was like, you, she's like,you bounce off way too fast.
And I was like, well, that'swhat I think.
'cause she's like, but is thatthe true, like, is that the
reality of the situation?
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (15:33):
Wise?
Yeah.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_0 (15:35):
I was like, well, well I, to me.
And she was like, well, youremember, there's both.
And so I think I have learnedrealize, like, listen, we're
all, we all, the, the rule thatthey tell tell us all when we're
kids is that adults, you know,have it together and know what
they're doing.
Um, and when we realized when webecome adults that the adults
had, were just as clueless as wewere when we were kids.
We're just trying to do our bestto get through.
(15:57):
So, yeah.
So now it's a lot more of, uh.
Uh oh.
Who was it?
Somebody?
It was on TikTok and it was, uh,and I thought, Lord, you know,
you look back at things thatshaped you as a child, and it
was a song from, oh, Jesus, Idon't remember.
No, it was Colors of the Wind.
So which one would that havebeen from?
Anyway, but the lyrics said, um,something like, uh, when you
(16:20):
walk in the path of a stranger,you learn things you never knew.
You never knew.
And that I was like, yeah, Lord,I guess I listened to this when
I was little.
'cause it makes sense to me now.
Like,'cause I'm always trying tofigure out, uh, to, to
understand that we're all comingfrom different places.
So.
Well, okay, so how does all thisback to trying to find your, uh,
(16:47):
joy?
How does this,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (16:50):
Well, what, what I'm trying to get,
what I'm trying to get acrossis, um, people are.
Your successful business, you'vedone it on your own.
And, um, how do I get there andjust don't feel stuck?
Look, I, I'll tell this woman'sstory.
I told it before, and many ofyou may know, but the three of
(17:11):
us were together in thisbusiness, but we didn't decide
that we were, um.
jeremy-host231_1_09- (17:18):
Dismissed.
dwayne-guest716_1_09- (17:19):
Dismissed is the always the
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (17:21):
Yeah.
That's
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2025 (17:22):
PA positive.
Yes.
Dismissed.
Well, it it gives youconnotation of, uh, yeah.
You, you're less than.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (17:31):
Who would want to get rid of us?
Who in their
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-20 (17:33):
Hmm.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (17:34):
Who would
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (17:35):
Well, it worked out for us, didn't it?
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (17:36):
were fun.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2025 (17:38):
I, well, I know that, I know we
were fun.
I know that we worked hard.
I know that we treated ourcustomers well.
I know that, um.
We were taking the business byfar in the right direction.
So to be dismissed when you, youbelieve in your heart that
you've done everything right.
(17:59):
That hurt.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23- (18:00):
Mm-hmm.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2025 (18:01):
It hurt.
It hurt because I was like, didhurt.
Did it hurt you?
You were
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (18:06):
know,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23- (18:06):
young.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (18:07):
was
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (18:07):
You were so young.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (18:08):
was 29, 30.
I was so clueless.
Yeah.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (18:12):
And I was 80, so it hurt 80.
Right.
To be dismantled.
Imagine how old Stuart was.
Uh, so it hurt.
It hurt because when you aredoing absolutely all that you
can, and the, the, I'm gonna sayit, the cockroaches around you.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23- (18:32):
Mm-hmm.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23 (18:34):
Thrived and were seen
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (18:36):
Yeah.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23- (18:37):
lifted up.
You're like, how can you not seethe truth
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (18:42):
Mm.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-20 (18:43):
your boss's boss tells employees to
walk around with a hammer to themaintenance person, Terry, who
was the nicest man in the world,and say, just look like you're
busy, as opposed to actuallygiving him tasks to do.
Right.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (18:58):
Yeah.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-20 (18:58):
know you're in trouble.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (18:59):
Yeah.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (19:01):
You know?
Did you know that story?
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_ (19:02):
Oh yeah.
No, no.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2025 (19:03):
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
I mean it was absolutely justridiculous.
So what I want to say to peopleis this has not been an easy
path, right?
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_ (19:12):
Mm
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (19:13):
Uh, it just has not.
And, um, some of us are workingharder than others that are
business owners, Jeremy, andlook at it.
Thank you Jeremy.
'cause you're the smart one andyou got great hair.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_0 (19:28):
I do,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (19:28):
Well, at least I have a good
personality.
Yeah.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (19:30):
Well,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (19:30):
And uh, yeah.
'cause you know you'd be nothingwithout me and my personality.
Right.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_0 (19:34):
I know I know
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (19:36):
Are you aware?
Yeah.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (19:38):
well aware you've told me from day
one.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-20 (19:40):
Have I now?
Okay.
There you go.
So for those who are out therestruggling, this may not be the
easiest thing to do, but I justcome back to.
Control your own destiny with awhole lot of caveats, right?
If not everybody is meant tocontrol their own destiny in
(20:01):
that.
Owning your business is what I'mreally dancing around, right in
this part, in this one layer,because if you're not
self-motivated.
Uh, if you're not, uh, I have tosay it again.
If you don't have an immense,uh, flow of talent coming out
your veins and you can't jumpfrom one thing to another, you
better not do it right.
You better not do it.
(20:22):
No.
What you thinking?
I see your face.
You
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_0 (20:24):
I was thinking about the talent
part.
I thought that was aninteresting word to put in
there.
I, I don't, don't, and I guess
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23- (20:33):
better have a gift.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (20:34):
No.
Yeah.
But the gift doesn't mean it hasto be a talent.
Gifts come in many
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (20:39):
Uh, I, uh, I, I use it interchange
interchangeably.
In other words, you better havea skillset, right, that you're
good at, that you like, okay,whatever that skill set, a gift,
a talent, whatever you wannacall it, you better have a
skillset that you love, that youlike, and you better be willing
to go work really, really hardat it.
(21:00):
Right?
Like you don't need.
Look, the talent that I have asfar as, uh, making flower
arrangements.
Huh?
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_0 (21:10):
I said I can't wait
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (21:11):
The talent I have, well, the talent
I have is flower arrangements.
Um, I didn't earn that.
That was a gift from God.
Right.
That the, I didn't, nobodytaught me how to do this.
I mean, a little bit taught me,but you get better and better at
it.
But there's an in instinctuallythere's something in you that
you understand how to do itright.
(21:33):
And if you don't have thatskillset, you wanna pursue it,
you're probably going up thewrong path.
Right?
In other words, if you, uh, ifyou like, I've always wanted to
be a window cleaner.
But I really don't like bugs andclimbing up high, you are
probably making a mistake,right?
So it better does that make,does an analogy make sense?
(21:56):
You need to follow your dream,but you need to understand, to
follow the dream with the skillsets that have been given to you
that also that you want toutilize, right?
Just because you have a gift,not everybody.
You know, the, the, the, themechanic is a gift to me, that's
a gift from God, right?
That he, I don't have thatskillset.
And I appreciate a mechanicbecause he mostly, there's some,
(22:20):
she's, but mostly he's right.
Can see it and how to do that.
And if you love to tinker andyou love to take things apart
and you love things, put it backtogether.
You're, you're mostly a niceperson.
Mostly not every mechanic's anice person, but if you have
some personality and someskillset, you can go control
(22:41):
your destiny all day long,right?
You don't have to go work forToyota.
You don't have to work you.
You can go control your owndestiny, but you have to be
willing to work some Saturdaysand you have to be willing to
come in at seven o'clock in themorning.
But then when you put the 10,15, 20 years in, you don't
necessarily have to be there.
You have somebody else thathelps you, right?
(23:02):
So you build upon that process.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23- (23:04):
Mm-hmm.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (23:05):
Are you getting where I'm going with
this?
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (23:07):
Yeah, I, um, you know, I kinda look at
it from.
There, you know, if, if there'ssomething that brings you joy
and, and, and it really fulfillsyour soul and spirit, whatever
it is, you may not need to makethat your all in being job, if
you, you know what I'm like,this can be your side hustle and
(23:28):
maybe the side hustle willbecomes something that brings
you joy and then explodes.
I'm not sure, but.
But you were discussing more oflike, if this is like creating
your own destiny.
Like doing,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (23:40):
Yeah.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_ (23:40):
is not everybody has that.
They don't, they don't have thatin them.
Right.
Like they, it, it's
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (23:45):
No, they just don't.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2 (23:46):
you've
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-20 (23:46):
Not, not.
jeremy-host231_1_09-2 (23:47):
benefits.
That's the, that's the hardestthing if you've got Ben,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-20 (23:50):
Well that.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2 (23:51):
really hard to walk away from.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2025 (23:52):
We as Americans are held, held
captive.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (23:55):
Yeah.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2025 (23:57):
We are held captive
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (23:58):
Yeah.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2025 (23:59):
to staying in jobs because of
health insurance related issues.
Right?
That's, that's, that's it.
A lot of us can figure out howto save our own money and 4 0 1
Ks we do that.
You can't walk out the door'cause you can't afford health
insurance and which they'll denyhalf of it.
We're not gonna go down thatpath, but we are, we are in a
bad place.
(24:19):
And, uh, that's doesn't seem tobe gonna be fixed,
jeremy-host231_1_09-23- (24:22):
Mm-hmm.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (24:23):
uh, for a while, if ever at this
point it seems problematic.
So what I keep coming back to asyou see us, you see us
successful, but, and we are andwe're having fun.
But it's built uponunderstanding.
Both of you as business partnershave said, we'll do whatever it
takes, if that's what we need todo.
(24:45):
You've said this, I've bothheard you say that we'll do
whatever it takes, which means,you know, like.
You are our, our, um, life isgetting ready to change.
It's like, uh, was workingSabrina, who makes the store
schedule now, and she said,well, what Saturdays do you
work?
Uh, in November?
I'm like, uh, all of them andI'll be here the Saturday before
(25:07):
that, the open house.
And I said, at the very minimum,you'll go ahead and put me down
the satter the first Saturday ofDecember.
Also.
She said, you wanna be here forall of those?
It's like, uh, no.
No, I really don't.
I wanna be home.
Right?
But I know that's what it takesto make this business
successful.
Now, I may not be here everyJune, Saturday anymore, right?
(25:29):
And probably the bus businesswould be more successful if I
were, but at a certain point, Idon't care.
Right.
There's not enough.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (25:36):
It's not, it's not
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-20 (25:37):
It's not sustainable.
Right.
And we've done it for a very,very, very, very long time.
All three of us, well, we onlyhad three of us, and we all
worked our Saturdays and we, youknow, we rotated it off.
And one of the things is,because I, when I say this, I.
In truth that Jeremy, you know,was always tied to the computer
and Stuart is, I'm not hereevery single day of the week and
(25:58):
the other guys are, and so oneof the things that I make sure
of is I've said to the staff outfront, I may not be here on this
Saturday, but my phone is withme.
Right.
And I'm basically, uh, this ismy pager.
I'm a doctor.
I'm on call that don't callJeremy on Saturdays.
Right.
I, I think I've told you this,haven't I?
(26:18):
And don't call Stuart call mebecause I'm trying to make up
for not being here every singleday of the week, and if you've
got problems, let me fix it andlet me take care of it.
If I can't, then.
I'll revert back to one of theguys and it's always, what I
can't do is the computer stuff,if there's a glitch or
something, but I can take careof a customer service, something
I can take care of.
(26:38):
Uh, 99% of the time it is suchand such is here.
What do I need to do about that?
And it's an easy fix.
So just do this, right?
So.
With that said, though, you'rekind of, as a business owner,
you're always on call.
And if you'll those who listento our podcast, remember our
sweet friend Noelle Dick from afew weeks ago, she's like, if
(27:00):
you get the phone call, you go,you go fix the toilet at five
o'clock in the morning.
Right?
jeremy-host231_1_09-23- (27:04):
Mm-hmm.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (27:04):
And um, it can be exhausting
mentally because you're kind ofalways on.
Right?
And the other thing I've alwayssaid, I wanna take my.
Phone with me, and when I'm onvacation, I'm likely gonna leave
it in the hotel room, right.
Or the house or wherever we'restaying at.
I said, so here's Kathy'stelephone number.
(27:24):
Call her if the store's burningdown.
Right?
'cause I assure you, this is aweek that I need away from this
crazy place.
But if you call her aboutsomebody's missing bow.
I assure you, whoever called mewill have the wrath when I come
back.
Right?
Because at a certain point, andit does not happen any longer,
(27:45):
there were stupid things oflike, oh, it was in a bag.
The bow was in a bag.
This came from a real story.
Yeah, but it had her name on itwith the card on it.
Everything.
If you just would read youIlliterate Bitch, right?
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (28:02):
When I'm outta here, I leave my phone
in the, the safe.
I don't even carry it with me.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (28:07):
Yeah, well that's, you have to, for
your
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (28:10):
and if it burns down, I'll find
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23- (28:11):
right.
And I never call you, I never, Idon't think I've ever called
either of you on vacation.
I don't think I ever have calledyou.
'cause it's like, it ain't thatimportant.
Uh, because it, it, it can wait.
It can wait because what we dofor the most part is not, uh,
earth shattering and it's notgonna change the world, right?
So long story is, let's go backto this.
Control your destiny.
(28:32):
If you are stuck in a place.
Hear the whispering, you're notstuck.
But you have to be smart aboutthese moves and you gotta put
things in play that you have tobe willing to work harder than
you've ever worked in your life.
Now, many years later, you getthe benefits of that not
necessarily being so true.
(28:53):
Now Jeremy hasn't experiencedthat yet, but I have.
So as he laughs and looks at me,right.
Um.
But we need to find our joy andthat.
So I hope our joy gives you joyand we're encouraging you to go
find your joy
jeremy-host231_1_09-23- (29:09):
Mm-hmm.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23 (29:10):
because joy is joy.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (29:11):
Joy,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2025_ (29:12):
I love joy.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (29:13):
down in my heart.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-20 (29:15):
Woo.
There you go.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_ (29:17):
We can
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (29:17):
Did this uplift anybody?
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_ (29:19):
I, I, I don't know.
They probably were bored outtatheir minds, but, um, no, I
think
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (29:24):
Well, I need a therapy today, and it's
cheaper to talk to you than itis to go to a therapist.
So.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (29:28):
Hey, you know, Hey, um, well, that's
what the insurance is for.
Um, and uh, the other thing Iwanted to say, and this is just
about the, the finding your joy,and, and, and I think I've said
this before, this is maybe acommon thread that's run through
a lot of the, our conversationsis that, Sometimes even where we
find our joy, sometimes it's inunexpected places.
(29:51):
And when those pop up toacknowledge them and and to see
them.
And when those chances or thoseopportunities for that joy, um,
present themselves to take themit no matter how big or small
they are.
Um,'cause I think that those.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2025 (30:08):
it kind of like the dance is, is it
like a god wink that there'sthings.
It happen.
Uh.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (30:13):
you know, I, I always think about,
um, and this is, I mean, this isthe extreme, but I remember
when, uh, was younger and wassitting in the church and the
preacher was telling the storyabout some, um, you know, flood
and these people were all on theroof of their houses and they
were praying for God to comesave them.
Right.
Um, then people came by on a, araft or something and said, Hey,
(30:37):
we can, you know, pick you up.
And they're like, no, I'mpraying to God.
He is gonna save me, And then,an hour and a half later,
somebody comes by in a rescueboat.
And it says, okay, we're hereto, we can get you.
He's like, no, I've been prayingto God.
You know, God's gonna save me.
And then of course, then thewaters up and then they die.
Um, very uplifting story.
This may not been how it wasoriginally told, but this is how
my 12-year-old self remembersthis story.
(30:59):
Um, and so they die and they getto the pearly gates and they see
God there and they're like, God,why didn't you save me?
And he's like, what do you mean?
I sent you a raft?
I sent you the boat.
I sent you all, you know, allthese things.
And so sometimes.
Sometimes we're so stuck onseeing opportunities as one way
we don't see them in what, whatother forms they might come in.
(31:21):
So that's, that's more, more ofwhat it is.
Yeah.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (31:25):
No, that's beautiful.
Right?
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (31:26):
know, I don't, I'm always looking for,
I'm always looking for the raft.
I'm always looking for themoment.
And honestly, I think that's whyI see, you know, this is what I
always say, uh, when I see, youknow, my number, you know,
you've got your number rightthat you see all the time.
Um,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (31:41):
It, it literally was texted to me
during this, um.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (31:47):
See?
dwayne-guest716_1 (31:47):
Conversation, lovely wife is getting ready to
go into a meeting that she'snervous about
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-202 (31:52):
Yep.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (31:53):
and the meeting is scheduled 4 8 3
5, a meeting that potentiallycan change a meeting that could
potentially has the ability topositively change her life at 8
3 5.
If that is not a God wink, Idon't know what it's.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_ (32:11):
I, I, I tell like people do not
believe me.
Well, when I say that, I seelike 11, 11 every day, and it's
not always on the clock, butmost the time of day it is.
But it, I see it the time.
And for me it is always justthis little god wink of you're,
you're exactly where you'resupposed to be, or a reminder
that I'm not alone.
Um, and that, uh, I'm, I'm hereand I've got.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (32:35):
Well, I wanna go back to this number 8
3 5.
Just for a minute, I, thatnumber actually scared me.
I had an angst about thatnumber.
And I think it was both you andStuart,
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (32:48):
Yeah, because,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23- (32:49):
right?
Do you, do you remember whatyou, whoever the two of you or
both of you said to me?
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (32:54):
no, I don't remember what we said,
but I do remember us being inthe car and I think on the way
to Atlanta and there was, it was
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-20 (32:58):
Yes.
Yes.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_ (32:59):
of a car.
Yeah.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-20 (33:00):
Yes, yes.
Well, I, I, I, a voice of aconcern, and it was the both of
you.
It's like, why do you perceiveit to be a bad thing?
Why can't it be a good thing?
You know, maybe, maybesomebody's telling you this is a
good number,
jeremy-host231_1_09-23- (33:15):
Mm-hmm.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (33:16):
not a bad number.
And I heard that and I receivedthat and I went.
Somebody's telling me something,there's goodness coming from
this.
And when I started seeing thegoodness of the number, it kind
of, I know this sounds reallywoo woo, but um, it, it
happened, it and it, so itliterally, God wink just
(33:39):
happened in a text seven minutesago during this conversation.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (33:43):
Well,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (33:44):
And so sometimes I.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_ (33:47):
on me to bring up until the very
end.
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23 (33:50):
Really,
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_ (33:51):
it was
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (33:51):
was in your heart.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (33:52):
Yeah,
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (33:53):
Yeah, yeah,
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (33:53):
Yeah.
You
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (33:54):
yeah, yeah.
Here we are.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23- (33:56):
woowoo.
I'll be a woowoo bird.
I don't care.
Woowoo
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (33:59):
Yeah.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-20 (34:01):
Well, we hope
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2 (34:02):
Well, kids, that's all I got for you.
Yeah, that's all I got to share.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_ (34:05):
we hope that maybe just some
general discussion of findingour joy and finding the
inspiration and realizing howhard you have to work, but
realizing that that's in, builtinto most of us.
I'm not gonna say all of us, butwhen you have to do it for you
and your
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (34:18):
No,
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2 (34:18):
you're
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-202 (34:19):
no, no, no.
I'm gonna stop you there.
Mm-hmm.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025_0 (34:21):
I know what you're gonna
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23-2025 (34:22):
It uhuh, uh, that's why I dismiss
you.
If you lazy, I'm gonna dismissyou.
Okay.
Next.
Yeah.
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (34:30):
uh, but hopefully you're not lazy.
I can't imagine that most of youare, um, and, uh, that wherever
you find your
dwayne-guest716_1_09-23 (34:36):
They're certainly smart listening to us.
For our wisdom today
jeremy-host231_1_09-23-2025 (34:39):
the wisdom, they are ready to sit at
the bottom of our fountain ofwisdom.
And I'm so, I'm so thankful forthat.
All right.
Well guys, thanks for listeningthis week.
We'll be back next week withanother episode, and until then,
you can get all of the importantdetails in the show notes below.
We will see you all then.
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