February 20, 2025 • 37 mins
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Imagine facing a defining moment where a lifelong dream slips through your fingers, yet finding the strength to pivot and redefine success. Meet Nina Sossaman-Pogue, affectionately known as the "resilience queen," as she recounts her journey from aspiring Olympian to esteemed news anchor, and beyond. Her insights on resilience, drawn from personal triumphs and setbacks, remind us of the extraordinary power to rise and transform the narrative of our lives.
Shifting gears in life can be daunting, especially when it means leaving behind a successful career. Join us as Nina shares her humorous take on navigating career transitions at 50, and how she embraced opportunities in the emerging digital landscape after her career in journalism came to an unexpected halt. Her story is a testament to the courage needed to venture into the unknown, showcasing that even after a celebrated career, there's always room for reinvention and growth.
In a world dominated by social media, the allure of comparison culture can be overwhelming. Listen as Nina and I unpack the pervasive issue of FOMO and the illusion of perfect lives online. Drawing from insights in "Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers," we explore the absurdity of constant comparison and stress over imagined threats. Through metaphor and personal experience, we emphasize the importance of embracing our individuality and focusing on the present to break free from the cycle of envy and dissatisfaction.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're good.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Yeah, here we go.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
From real estate to real life and everything in
between, the Brad Wiseman Showand now your host, brad Wiseman.
All right, we are back.
Yes, we are.
We're back Thursday 7 pm everyweek, don't forget, don't forget
.
Yeah, we got a really goodguest here tonight, and I say
that every time.
(00:24):
I think I say we always have areally good guest, but she's
really fantastic.
She's got some great stories totell.
It goes from gymnastics to anews anchor, to corporate
America, to now public speakingor doing speaking arrangements
all over the United States.
I call her the resilience queenbecause her big thing is about
how people can become resilientabout things that go on in your
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life that maybe are some darkareas, some things that aren't
as good, that you can get pastthose and there's ways to get
past those times in your life,and she's going to walk us
through some of that right now.
So, nina Sossaman Pogue she ishopefully here with us, unless
she ran.
So how are you doing?
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I'm doing great.
Thanks so much for having me on.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Oh, you're welcome, Very welcome.
You know, I can tell you werean anchor at one point, because
you have that, like you know,like you're going to tell the
news to me at some point.
You know what I mean.
I feel like you're going to saysomething, you know.
Hey, this tree started on fire.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
You're never more than an hour away from the
latest news on your 24 hour newssource.
I can go there if you want meto, but that's pretty funny,
that is funny.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
But no, we'll get into that.
But no, you, you've really gonethrough some different times in
your life and which isobviously why resilience is what
kind of keeps coming up assomething that you are able to
share, something that you'reable to help people with.
Did that happen overnight or no?
I mean you went let's go back alittle bit you started as an
(01:54):
Olymp almost Olympics.
You were almost in the Olympics, right, you were on the US
gymnastics team, which is a hugedeal at 14.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah, so it's.
I say it's my chapters in thestory of my life, the story that
keeps unfolding.
Uh, and I like being a queen bythe way, resilience queen, I'm
going to take that, you're morethan welcome to.
I was thinking more like guru orsomething, but I'm queen's nice
.
Yeah, it sounds good, it's good, yeah.
So I was, um, I was a gymnast.
I was a Navy brat growing upand found gymnastics.
(02:23):
It was kind of the youngest offour kids Like, put Nina
somewhere, she has a lot ofenergy and so gymnastics was my
thing.
And then I moved away from homewhen I was 13 and I moved into
an Olympic training center.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Let's just go.
You didn't get kicked out ofthe house.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
The first thing I thought when I saw that on your
bio.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I'm like, oh my God, she got kicked out of her house
at 13.
That's terrible.
She must have been really bad.
No, but I get it.
You actually were.
You were dedicated to your, toyour talent right.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I had an opportunity to move into an Olympic training
center at 13.
You sort of you know, I was anelite, I made elite.
I made that caliber ofgymnastics where they were
interested in training you for acoach would take you on.
Um, I did.
I moved from my at Florida wewere in Jacksonville at the time
, my dad was the airbase thereand I moved to Maryland.
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Silver Spring, maryland, rightoutside of DC, was where the
training center was at 13.
And then I made the US team andI went all over the world.
You know Japan, hungary,germany, and just doing my thing
Back in the day with Mary LouRetton, oh my gosh, that's
amazing.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
And Bart Conner, yeah , back in the day with Mary Lou
Retton.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Oh my gosh, that's amazing.
Yeah, back in the day.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I remember those names.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, in the eighties .
And then I didn't make the team.
You know, I always say likeMary Lou's maiden name is my
maiden name is Rofi and she wasRetton, so we were like both R's
and we roomed together but Iwas not the top.
I was kind of in the you knowlike fifth or sixth through 12th
you know of those athletes andonly if you make make the
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Olympic team.
And then I bombed a qualifyingmeet, uh, and so you know, after
being on the cover of magazinesand this big hype and moving
away from home, uh, it was, itwas.
I was so full of shame, I wasembarrassed to go walk all to my
high school.
I felt like I was a failure.
(04:10):
I'd let down my family and myfriends and obviously my coaches
.
So it was a really difficulttime.
That was my first big.
This is too much.
I call them my this is becausewe all have and I have my story,
you probably have yours too.
Nobody gets past.
But I was like this is not partof the plan, this was not how
it was supposed to go.
So that was one of my first bigfailures, where I had to figure
out how to get you know.
Go forward from there.
I felt like my life was ruinedat the ripe old age of like 16.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
So it's a defining moment, obviously.
You know what I mean.
It's sunny, I think we have.
Uh, I was at a thing years agoit was, um, I forget what the
name of it was, but it was athing where you basically it was
a class where you figured outthe defining moments in your
life.
You try to kind of figure outwhy you are who you are, dissect
yourself and kind of go down tothe core and go, okay, this
makes sense of why I do this,whatever.
(04:51):
So that was a major definingmoment there for you.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
It was and I had to figure out who I was going
forward.
And I regrouped and I didbecome one of the top recruits
for college for gymnastics, andI went to LSU great gymnastics
program, d1 athlete.
I had that experience.
But then my freshman year atLSU I blew out my knee in
competition.
So then I lost my sportaltogether.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
And.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I really was floundering like who am I
without this sport?
Because if you think about it,brad, back then it was like my
sweatshirt and my bumper sticker, my t-shirt and stuff.
Nowadays it's these kids,instagram and their Tik TOK Like
they really identify with,whether it's their sport or band
or you know whatever they'reinto.
So to lose that piece in me wasreally hard.
(05:35):
I floundered a lot.
I sometimes joke.
I ended up getting through therest of college and graduating
in booze and boys gettingthrough the rest of college and
graduating in booze and boys.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I love the honesty.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I didn't always make the best decisions there for a
while, but I did.
I found journalism when I wasvery, you know through, through
a lot of you know tough timesthere.
Well, when I lost my scholar,when I when I lost my sport in
order to keep my scholarship,they asked me to, you know, to
work for the university.
You had to back then.
So I had to work for theathletic department and they put
(06:08):
me to work in the laundry room,oh wow.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Not like laundry room , like washing, cute little
leotards.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
No, no, no, I'm thinking kind of just disgusting
.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah.
So, I worked in the athleticlaundry room.
So I sometimes say, I sometimessay my claim to fame was almost
that I, I, you know I couldhave washed Shaquille O'Neal's
jockstrap.
That could be my claim to fame.
Thank goodness I didn't staythere.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Oh my goodness, yeah, thank God.
That's not why you're on thepodcast, for grace sakes.
I mean by the way, the ladythat swashed the jockstraps is
on the podcast right now.
That's hilarious.
So so you go and do that.
So now you're you're, so whathappens then?
I mean, that's amazing.
We're all through your, yourchildhood gymnastics, that that
(06:50):
whole thing, everything wasthat's your life.
That was it Right.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
It's what I knew about life, and if you think
about it when you're 19 and youlose your sport, I spent my
whole life in the gym and if youdo the math, it's 70,.
More than 75% of my life hadbeen spent in a gym.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
So of course, it felt like my whole life was over.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
It was a very real feeling.
My life experience, everythingI've experienced up till that
point had been mostly that Now Ican see fast forward.
It's part of what I do in myframework.
When I talk to people aboutresilience.
You know I can see it fastforward.
By the time I was 50 and mykids left for college, you know
then that gymnastics was like28% yeah exactly, and if I live
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to, be a hundred.
You know I need to drink lesswine and take better care of
myself, but if I live to be ahundred, no, no.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Wine's good.
I think today it was in thenews it's good.
Tomorrow they'll say wine'sgood yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I'm on team Brad on that.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah, I'm telling you it's the way to look at it,
yeah, cause eggs were badyesterday and now they're good
today.
You know how that is.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, I'm all.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I'm all in on wine and chocolate as long as I can
keep live to be 100, then it'sgymnastics is only 15 percent.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
But at the time it felt like so much and I really
floundered trying to figure outwho I was without it.
And thank goodness I had somepeople in my life who pointed me
in a different direction and Ifound journalism and I loved
being in a newsroom Once againvery competitive, fast, moving.
Get to think fast, move fast.
It's different every day.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
You're on your feet and you're you're thinking on
your feet too, you're, you'relike.
You know, I mean news.
Anything with news I alwaysthink is I mean, obviously
there's a teleprompter, but it'sconstantly changing,
everything's changing, yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, and there's, there's a teleprompter once you
become a news anchor, but whenyou that for a while, and then
that's how I found my way toCharleston.
That's where I am now,charleston, south Carolina.
And speaking of real estate,we're real proud of our dirt
around here.
The real estate here it'spretty pricey, absolutely.
Yeah, so anyway.
So I found my way intojournalism and I loved it, and
(08:58):
then I became a news anchor andhad real success there.
I did have a period throughthat, though, in my thirties,
where they went younger andblonder and I got laid off in a
bunch of layoffs.
So is that really?
Speaker 1 (09:09):
so that's something that happened, like they went
towards a different look for thenews.
That's amazing.
I won.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Charleston's favorite news anchor seven years in a
row and you'll like this.
I won it on a Thursday and thenon Friday, you know, it comes
out in the paper picture of me.
And then on Friday I'm in thenewsroom doing my thing and
we're getting ready to go down.
The weather guy and I are goingto go cut a news brief at three
o'clock Like, hey, you know,like you see on the news coming
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up later, this happened, thishappened.
So we were walking down to getto cut that and the GM, the
general manager, comes like oneof his people, comes around the
corner and says, hey, nina, theGM wants to see you, oh no.
I think they're going to like Ijust won this award.
I think I'm going to get like abonus.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Right, right or promotion or something.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Thank you or something?
No, no, no, no.
They pulled me in there and theyoung woman from HR came and
sat down across from me and theysaid per your contract, we are
releasing you without cause andI was like yeah, so this was not
part of the plan.
But you know, years later, whenI got into tech and I was part
(10:18):
of you know difficult financialdecisions and force ranking
people.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
But that's wild.
How do you go from the anchorto tech, Like were you always
into tech, Were you?
Is that something that youthought this is what I want to
do eventually, or is it just?
This is just something thathappened?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
No.
So I I love doing news and Ithink I would have stayed there
like for even longer, but I had.
I had some things going on inmy life and I was looking like
what else is out there?
Yeah, and I did like a lot ofpeople do.
I kind of said what am I goodat outside of like reading a
teleprompter and having nicehair?
There's got to be more to methan that.
So I had to figure out whatthat looked like, and so I I and
(10:55):
I encourage other people to dothis when they're in these life
transitions and if they'retransitioning careers.
I met with people that Iadmired.
I met with a guy who was in.
I had coffee with a guy who wasin marketing, ran a marketing
firm, and I'm like, if you hadto hire me, what would you hire
me for?
And he's like I would have youdo like car commercials and I
was like no no, no, I don't wantto do that.
(11:16):
And then I met with a woman whoran the Center for Women and I
said, if you've been in a lot ofboardrooms with me and a lot of
events with me, what would youhire me for?
And she had some ideas.
And then I had the opportunityto meet with some other folks in
the tech space and it was verydifferent.
So I had a buddy who had astartup and Google had just very
(11:39):
much timing and luck.
There's some luck involved init, of course.
Google had just bought YouTubeand it was like video's going to
be big online someday, oh mygosh, this is 2007.
This is 2007.
Video's going to be a big deal.
I got to figure out how to makevideos, how big that file is,
how to put them online, allthose things.
I need somebody, and he and Ihad sat on some charity boards
(11:59):
and things, yeah, things.
And so he made me an offer.
I couldn't refuse and I left TVand went to tech to stand up a
media studio and start on theground floor of this new thing
Like YouTube was like all it wasall real new back then and it
was like what are we going to dowith video online?
And look where it's come nowit's so neat to see.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
It's amazing yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
So so we.
So he hired me to do that, andthen I I being both a gymnast
who can fall down and get backup and, uh, being a journalist
who can learn fast, I learnedfast and I had I moved into
different areas of the company.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Good for you.
And now, obviously that's,that's past, and now you've
moved on to uh, did you justretire from there, or how'd that
?
How'd that yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:43):
I left there.
I you know I'd done this about12 years and I was the vice
president of marketing andcommunications when we took the
company public.
So, I got to do the IPO roadshow.
Goldman Sachs was lead left.
I got to get on the little jetand fly to the airport and get
out of the fancy littleTeterboro and like be all that
you know and it was.
(13:04):
It was a really cool time to bea part of it, and so we had a
very successful IPO.
Forbes magazine had it as oneof the top 10 tech IPOs of the
year, and so that was afinancial opportunity for me.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yeah, I would think so.
Hopefully you were vested.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I was very much so I had a lot of options.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah, good for you.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
So so it gave me the opportunity to let my kids go to
any college they wanted to payoff some debt those kind of
things.
I'm not a big house, fancy carkind of person, but there was
stuff that I like.
It felt so good to have thatworry.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Sure absolutely.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
And so I, after that happened, you know, then I
started looking at life a littledifferently and said okay, now,
without having to be thebreadwinner and having to do
those things, what do I want todo, like, who do I want to be,
what do I want to give back?
And that's where the first bookcame from and that's where the
speaking came from the book.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
is that the?
This is not the end.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, so the first book is is this is not the end
strategies to get you throughthe worst chapters of your life?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yeah, worst chapters of your life.
Yeah, yeah, and this is whereresilience comes in.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
It is and it took me a while, like you said, to get
to that word, but when I starteddoing some research I became
this go-to person for peoplewhen they were going through a
tough time because people mystories were also public.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Yeah Well, let's dig into that a little bit, the fact
that the the, the reason youhave, um, let's just say,
credibility on knowing what it'slike to be resilient.
You told us a little story andI think actually we should go
there because it's going to makeit that people that are
listening go wow, she had a badthing happen and look where she
(14:37):
is.
She's doing podcasts, she'sdoing speaking arrangements all
over the United States or allover the world and, yeah, she
got.
She got through something thatwas really tough.
So do you mind telling thatstory that you told us before we
started recording?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Sure, sure, and I always ask beforehand trauma
dump and I don't want to know.
You know it's triggery for someof your listeners, so I'll tell
you a kind of watered downversion of it but yeah so so
think about, like, theresilience piece.
So I didn't make the Olympicteam and then then I blew up my
knee in college and I'd gottenfired, I'd gone through a
divorce, all these things thatalready happened in my life and
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I was a very popular news anchorat the time and I went to pick
my kids up.
I took a day off of work to gopick my kids up from the school,
the school bus, and so I, youknow, went on a beautiful sunny
day and it was a crowded busstop and the bus comes and all
of our kids go piling off andI'm there with my best friends
and she has this new, like 11month old baby that's crawling
(15:33):
around.
We're playing with the baby,and then the bus comes and all
of these moms and siblings andspouses, and we're all just
having a gorgeous CharlestonOctober day.
And then, in the commotion ofall that, when it's time to go,
I, you know, throw my kids inthe car.
Hey, it's time to get going.
I had driven over because wewere going to run errands.
(15:54):
It was special for me to behome and in all of that
commotion, no one had noticedthat my friend's sweet baby had
crawled under my car and Ibacked up and he was badly
injured.
He lived.
He is in college now, verybadly injured, lots of head
injuries, and he um, it was days, weeks, months before he we
(16:16):
knew he was going to be okay.
And in that time, um because youknow I'm such a public person
there were news trucks on myfront yard.
Uh, there were prayer vigilsall over town.
It became very much a part ofwho I was and I didn't want to
be this person.
I wanted to be, you know, theworld class athlete and
everybody's favorite news anchor.
I didn't want to be the ladywho had injured her friend's
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baby.
And so I had a really hard timefiguring out how to go forward
after that and I went into areally dark place and thank
goodness I had some good peoplearound me, because I really
thought I couldn't imagine.
I kept replaying everythingthat I should have done
differently or could have done,or maybe that, you know,
shouldn't have taken the day offwork.
And then I kept looking at thefuture and I just couldn't see
anything happy and I couldn'tever see myself being happy.
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I'm like the world's justbetter if I wasn't here.
I can't do this.
So I went through a reallytough time, and that's where
what got you out of that?
Speaker 1 (17:09):
What got you out of that, like, what, what?
What was like the one thingthat you can just think of, or
maybe there's many things, butyour family, obviously, maybe
friends and what.
Talking to people, I mean what?
What got you out?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah, family and friends obviously the people is
a big part of my framework thatI talk about.
I had to get several things andthat's where my framework comes
from, because I can see how Igot through that, okay.
And then I can look back at howI got through the gymnastics
and the getting fired, and it'sthe same.
And then I did research on thecommonalities when people go
through failures or throughdifficult times, and it's the
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same four things.
But what got me really throughthat then was one the I had a
good therapist.
You know I'm big into peopleand I'm very pro therapy.
But what he did for me was sayhey, it's not always going to be
like this, like the new cycleis going to move on.
Five years from now it's goingto feel different than it does
now.
He got me out of my own headspace in the moment and said you
(18:04):
know, news is going to go go onto something else.
The story is going to move onand you've got to be here for it
.
Your kids are little.
They are to need you.
Like.
He got me thinking ahead, whichwas a good part of it.
That's the timeline piece that Italk about.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Just like with gymnastics, like I thought it
was my whole world back then.
It's not my whole world.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah, cause you're looking back Right A lot of
times.
You look, we look back and so,yes, that was a large part of
your life.
But when you look forward,there's creativity.
You can create what's goingforward.
You know it's not, it hasn'thappened.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
I call it, yeah, I call it, all the blank space
ahead on that timelineAbsolutely Well.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
You had a good therapist.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I had a very good therapist.
If you draw a line on a pieceof paper, I have people do this
and put 10 little dots like 10,how old you are 10, 20, 30, 40
to live to be a hundred and thenI say, okay, put a dot on where
you are right now, and thenthere's all that blank space
ahead and I even do that.
So that's the one thing that Idid, and then it's called this
framework.
So that's the T is thistimeline, thinking, this
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perspective, play it forward.
And then the second part ishumans.
I did have some good people inmy life.
I had a good therapist.
My husband really protected mefrom a lot of things.
My ex-husband at the time tookthe kids, so I took to village,
so it took a lot of us to, youknow, to help handle through
that.
And I always say you have toedit your people, so if you go
through something difficult,who's helping, who's hurting?
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And sometimes some people wholove you the most are not
helping and you have to kind ofget them out of the way during
difficult times.
Um, so that was that piece.
And then the other is this uh,isolate piece like not what
happened before and not what mayhappen in the future.
But what can you actually do?
And, um, I really had some goodhelp with hey, let's go back on
the air.
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Let's define what you know.
We I held hands with this mom wewalked down the hall of the
hospital.
We said we were going to getthrough it together.
We, you know, took advantage ofthe platform that we had and we
use really positive language.
The doctors were, you know,amazing and it was miraculous
and we were, all you know,praying for him and that kind of
(20:03):
stuff.
So the language we use wasreally key.
So that was the last piece ofit.
So this whole timeline, humansisolated what can you actually
take action on?
And then let's edit thelanguage in your head.
I wasn't the villain.
I was, you know, just a personwho was involved in this.
It was an accident.
Getting to that word was reallyhard for me to get to.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Oh, interesting, getting to the word accident.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
You know, you just, I just I get accidents, should
have someone who's like it wasjust hard, and these are also
stories you hear.
You normally hear aboutsomebody else right, and so
that's why, when, when, you,when, when it's happening to you
, you're like, okay, this shouldbe happening to somebody else,
not me I should be reportingthis on the news I say I went
from reporting the headlines tobeing the headlines and you know
I I'd done these stories before.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
And then, once we did some homework on it and looked
at it, it was like oh um, thisactually happens more often than
you think and most times theydon't survive.
So I guess we were, you knowaround here.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
we've had situations where it's the parent that did
it and they didn't make it Right.
Right, so you know, but luckilythe he's in college and or she
or she's in college and andobviously you still stay in
touch.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
We've been in touch.
You know one of the reasons Iwent back on the air for a year
or so and then I said, you know,I need to be less public, I
need to kind of do my own thing,step away, yeah, so I stepped
away and um, but I, obviouslyfrom a distance, I'm always
cheering for him and seeing whathe's doing and his parents are
here, still here in town, andyou know, yeah, that's great,
that's a good.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Well, that's good and that's.
But that's the reason, orthat's the that's many of the
reasons that you have that you,you've come through a lot of
different things and so you areum good at training people and
how to get past these certaintimes in their life.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yeah, and I didn't know that I would end up here,
but it wasn't something that Iplanned for.
Like, like, most of us don'taren't where we planned when we
were little children.
Like, when you were a littleboy, did you plan on being in
real estate and doing a podcast?
Speaker 1 (21:58):
No, not at all.
I was going to be a rock androll star.
That didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
I was going to be a vet and and an Olympian.
Yeah, that was it.
So we, we how we react to theworld, like the world changes
around us, and how we act to thereact to, that is where we end
up, and so I have.
I didn't think I would end uphere, but I got to that point
where I became because peopleknew the things I'd gone through
.
I became this go-to person andone time I had a buddy of mine.
(22:23):
I heard a knock at the door.
I go open the door and aneighbor standing there with two
beers in his hands, tearsrunning down his eyes, down his
face, and I was like are youokay?
And he said I just lost my job.
I don't, I can't go home, Idon't know how to tell my wife,
I don't know what to do.
And I was like I got you.
We came through, walked throughthe house and sat on the end
and I said, okay, let's workthrough these things.
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And I knew I was helping.
And that was just one instance.
I had other ones that hadhappened too.
I knew I was helping people.
I knew the things I had learnedand experienced were helping.
In the books I'd read and the,you know, cognitive behavior
therapy things I'd gone throughand the PTSD workbooks I'd read.
I knew that I was able to helpother people.
But I didn't.
I didn't have it organized andput together in a way that I
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could help more than one personat a time.
So that's why I left corporate.
I said you know something?
What if something happens to me?
I'm not here to share this withmy own children, you know,
because I have three adult kidsnow or with people who I love,
or just if I have this, how do Iput it together and put it out
in the world?
So that's where the book camefrom and it's my mashup of life
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experience and stoicism andcognitive behavior therapy and a
little neuroscience thrown in.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
It's awesome.
It's really cool.
The experiences are incredible.
So let's go down through herebefore we would wrap it up.
We got some time here, yet.
The reverse resume I thoughtwas interesting.
I've never heard of anybody saythat before.
I always like to pick outthings that I've never heard
before.
What is a reverse resume Like?
That didn't make sense to me.
So what is that?
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Excellent, I love it that you picked up on that.
So I coined that phrase acouple of years ago and we all
have a reverse resume and I say,if you take a piece of paper
and again draw that line acrossit, and above the line is all of
your accolades, all the stuffyou would see on LinkedIn all
the stuff you would put on yourresume goes above the line on
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like on, above the line on theages when it happened to you,
you graduated or you got anaccreditation or you won an
award or you had a baby or youtook it.
All the good stuff goes acrossthe line, the stuff that you
would be proud of, and thenbelow the line.
I encourage people to go andsay now let's look at all the
things you've gotten through.
You've been fired or divorced,or you raised a child with a
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disability, or you were bulliedin high school or like all
everybody had.
Nobody gets a pass, everybody'sbeen through some stuff.
So you put that down at thebottom and then you can sort of
it's kind of neat, you canconnect the dots and it does
like this up and down of life.
It looks a little like anechocardiogram.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
I was going to say it looks like somebody's heartbeat
.
You don't want to be flatline.
No, no, no, that's not good.
That's not good, that'd be bad.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
That'd be a boring life.
So this is life.
It has these highs.
Reverse resume is all the stuffbelow the line, and I will
argue that that's what makes youwho you are.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Not the wins.
Oh, absolutely, I love that thestuff down below.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Your reverse resume and I have executives do this
when I do executive off sitesand I'm like you better hire
some people who have some stuffdown below the line Interesting
I don't always say stuff but youneed that down below the line,
because when stuff hits the fan,you're going to need these
people.
You don't want people whohaven't been through some things
.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
So true, but that reverse resume is key.
Yeah, I love that.
That is nothing like what Ithought it was going to be.
That is awesome.
I love that.
And you know what's funny?
I never heard anybody say thatbefore.
That's why you're here, becausethis is great you have down
here.
Another new thing that we'lltalk about that you brought up
was FOMO culture.
You said you talk about we'reconstantly connected and there's
(25:52):
a thing called FOMO culturethat you say Are we hurting
ourselves?
How are we doing with that?
Tell me about the FOMO culture,because I know I get FOMO.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I mean, everybody does you know people talk about
FOMO and we all have it.
You know, before there wasanything online.
We just saw the neighbor comehome with a new car, or we saw
you know somebody have an outfitthat we like, or somebody was
better shaped than us.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Do you think it's actually the new jealous?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
it's jealous.
It's a little different becausewe're feeding this culture, but
there's some gel obviously somejealousy, it's this fear of
missing out, or fear of missingout on a different life it's
fear of missing out on wait.
Why didn't I, you know, marrythat guy or do that thing, or
take that career?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Nobody sees the reverse resume and nobody think
about it.
Nobody sees the downs.
On Facebook and on Instagram,Everybody sees the ups on life.
They don't see the downs.
They don't see that somebodyyou know was in an accident or
somebody was this or something.
You don't put that stuff onthere.
You put up stuff that makes youlook great, you know, so it's
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interesting, so that's that'swhat you're seeing is happening.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
So, yeah, it's this FOMO, it's this fear of missing
out, not just on the party orthe thing, but on a different
life, on something else thatcould have been.
And here's my favorite exampleof it.
There's two, there's one.
Okay, like you go on a vacationand you fly somewhere and you
do this great vacation, yousaved up for it.
First, you made a goal that youwanted to do it.
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You save the money, you gotexcited about it, you packed,
you went and say it's sometropical.
You did the snorkeling, you gotthe tan, you drank the pina
colada, like you had this greatvacation Right.
And then you get on the planeon the way home and you're like
still glowing in it and, whenyou know, still sunburned and
you're on your planet on the wayhome and then a little thing
comes up in your app and on yourphone that says thank you for
(27:45):
visiting.
You know, give us our ratingand you do your little summary
and then, as soon as you hit,submit a little, something else
comes up and goes thank you.
And here are five trips thatpeople like you are taking.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Right right.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Don't miss out on this.
Go ahead and you know you.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
You know if you like this.
Here are five trips.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
You're gonna like this too yes, yes, and if you
don't sign up now, you're gonnamiss out on that so it's this.
We never get to just be happy.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
It's like, oh shoot, I'm already missing out on the
next thing yeah, it's so true,and that is the way we are, you
know.
You know we always say aboutbeing in the present moment.
I mean, you know, that's's theproblem is, sometimes we don't
give it, we don't give ourselvesto just be in it and actually
enjoy it and go OK, this wasgreat, we're looking to the next
, the next trip or the nextthing to to do.
(28:31):
It's so true, so true.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
So that is, that is an issue.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
What is that?
That's an issue for us.
I mean for people.
It's not good.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
It's a problem.
We all do it, I do it.
I look at other speakers andI'm like they were on six stages
and they were like, oh, they'regoing to bigger stage, they get
whatever.
So silly, I'm doing my thing.
I'm.
I am not them.
I've lived my own life andgotten to here.
That's right.
And I started a keynote theother day and I was like they
did my intro.
You know, world class athletelike the whole.
Thing in the award winning newsanchor and I walked out and went
(29:00):
.
Well, actually, I'm notsuccessful today.
I'm on a smaller stage thanso-and-so and I'm not making as
much as like, when do we get tobe successful?
But the other piece of theother example of that that we
all do that also has to do withour telephones.
I do this whole thing with thisbook called why Zebras Don't
Get Ulcers, and it's all aboutbehavior science and how we
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cause our own anxiety and stress.
Because you know animals, oncethey're in immediate danger, all
the stress response, thatcortisol, the norepinephrine,
like all that new adrenaline isthere.
But then as soon as the stressresponse is gone, it's gone and
they go back.
And we are constantly going towhat, the what ifs and we even
imagine things.
We imagine the lions chasing us, even when it's not.
(29:43):
You know yeah, absolutely and soI talk about a zebra, uh,
running across and the lionchasing it.
But then I have the zebra, youknow, pop into some tall, some
tall, uh grass to reset.
And I'll say and then our zebra, who just just has, like such a
good zebra and in, like themost amazing, beautifully
(30:04):
striped, just the right hooves,right size heart to be had, you
know, to be able to outrun alion, our zebra ducks in and and
as it resets, our zebra pullsout his phone.
What's the rest of the animalkingdom doing?
And he sees flamingo on thebeach and he's like ah, look at
(30:26):
flamingo on the beach, I wish Iwas flamingo.
Yeah, I want to wear pink.
I'm sick of these stripes, Iwant to eat shrimp.
Like he just outran a lion,yeah, he's so good at doing what
he does, but in a moment we canlook at somebody else and go, I
wish I was doing what they weredoing, like Flamingo would have
been eaten by the lion, youknow.
So we all have to kind of, wehave to get better at being
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really proud of what we're goodat and living in that space and
quit looking at each otherwishing that we were a different
animal, cause we've, all youknow, got our own makeup and our
own.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
And you're right, we, we do that, as I think a lot of
people do that.
They look at the other personon social media and go, oh my
gosh, look what, look what theyhave, not realizing what, what
you have and what you can have.
You should have gratitude forwhat you have.
You know, obviously I do.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
There's.
I'll be honest, there are somespeakers out there who I really
admire and they're just crushingit and they're doing these big
stages and this great stuff.
And I'll think, man, you know,I wish I could do that.
And then I'll remind myself, oh, they have never even had any
kids yet.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Like they're 30 something years old.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
I have three adult children and these careers I've
already had, but I'm wishing Iwas this 30 something year old
who has this big stage.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
So, but I don't think the age should hold you back.
I mean you're just.
I mean you're how long you'vebeen doing the speaking that the
public speaking.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Oh, I'm just using that as an example.
I'm doing fine, yeah, so I'mcoming up, of course, because I
speak on resilience.
I launched this speaking in2020.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Oh my gosh, oh yeah, there you go 2020.
Yeah, that wasn't a good time.
Not a good time.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Oh my gosh, I learned very quickly about the speaking
business, because I booked abunch of gigs and you know, when
you book you get half upfrontand then they pay you the other
half when you deliver.
That's how my contracts wereset up.
So I had a bunch booked for theyear and then everything shut
down in 2020.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
You had to give it back.
You did, and I had alreadyspent it.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
I had no idea.
So I'm like, oh, I'm so true,anyway.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Well, thanks, there's one thing I wanted to talk
about.
Yeah, real quick, and it was atestimonial that I saw that I
thought was really, really cool.
And it was basically somebodyput a testimonial on your page
and it said she grabs you by thebrain, pulls you in and holds
you there.
I thought that was such a greattestimonial.
I mean, I'm sure you've readthat one.
(32:43):
You know about it.
It's on, I think it's on yourwebsite.
But what a great testimonial.
It was really cool.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
Yeah, this Tom wrote that Ican't remember his last name.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Tom Satterley or something, or Satterley or
something.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Hey, they're in real estate too.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
So that's cool, there we go.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yeah, so I spoke at their conference down in
Savannah I think it was.
Actually I've spoken at theirconference twice.
His team really liked me andbrought me back to speak at
their next larger conference.
But you know, some people Idon't do just my story from the
stage.
I really get them thinkingabout their own life and their
own things that they've gonethrough.
And I like the opportunity tomake people feel obviously laugh
(33:23):
, cry, all those things I do alot of.
You know humor because I thinkI'm funny, but I, I, I love the
opportunity to really get peoplethink about things in different
ways.
And, and I think with that one,we did a lot around resilience,
on the definition of it, it'snot persistence and grit how
it's so different frompersistence and grit.
(33:44):
People get them mixed up.
And then we did a lot aroundgoal setting, because every time
you set a goal you are askingyourself to make a change, to
get out of your comfort zone,and so why our bodies and our
brains don't like change wherethat comes from.
So anyway, thank you forbringing that up, tom Tom.
That was a really, really goodtestimonial and I am proud of
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the fact that I can get peoplethinking.
I think I did say I respondedto it somewhere or maybe I'm
online back when he did it andsaid, hey, I had to give his
brain back.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
I promise that's good .
That's good, he probably needsit.
He probably needs it.
Thanks so much for coming.
How do people get in touch withyou?
So much for coming.
How do people get in touch withyou?
I mean, what's the best way?
Maybe just rattle off yoursocials or whatever, so we can,
they can, they can find you.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Great.
On Instagram, I'm Nina Speaksand it's Nina period SP.
Underscore EAK, because there'sother people named Nina who
speak, but Nina Speaks.
You can find me on Facebook, onNina Sossaman Pogue, on
LinkedIn, nina Sossaman Pogueand I just hey, I just launched
a workshop and now what workshopfor anybody who's going through
a tough time?
Uh, and the whole conceptaround that is you know, it's
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okay to not be okay, it's justnot okay, to stay that way oh, I
like that.
That's very good help figure outa way forward.
So, um, but yeah, you can findme anywhere within social.
I have tiktok, um it's, I'mworking on it, my team is
younger than me and they'redoing fun things.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
I think the other ones are more important anyway.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Anyway.
So yeah, find me on Instagram.
I do daily inspiration ormotivation on Instagram.
I think motivation is a lotlike a shower.
You can't just do it once, youkeep going back.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
You need it often Absolutely, absolutely All right
.
Thanks so much for being onhere today.
I really, really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
This has been great, Brad.
I appreciate it.
I feel like I rambled a littlebit.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
No, you're good.
You're good.
It was a great conversation,great conversation, thanks so
much.
All right, there you go.
Nina Sossaman-Pogue ResilienceQueen is what I'm going to call
her.
I think she's going to use that, which is actually cool.
But no, you want to check herout?
You can just look up her name.
Her name is spelled a littledifferent, but if you go to see
us on Facebook or Instagramwhatever we're going to have all
(35:46):
of our information there, soyou don't have to be searching
for anything like that.
All right, thanks for joiningus again every Thursday at 7 pm.
All right, we'll see you nextweek.
You're good.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Yeah, here we go.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
From real estate to real life and everything in
between, the Brad Wiseman Showand now your host, brad Wiseman.
All right, we are back.
Yes, we are.
We're back Thursday 7 pm everyweek, don't forget, don't forget
.
Yeah, we got a really goodguest here tonight, and I say
that every time.
(00:24):
I think I say we always have areally good guest, but she's
really fantastic.
She's got some great stories totell.
It goes from gymnastics to anews anchor, to corporate
America, to now public speakingor doing speaking arrangements
all over the United States.
I call her the resilience queenbecause her big thing is about
how people can become resilientabout things that go on in your
(00:46):
life that maybe are some darkareas, some things that aren't
as good, that you can get pastthose and there's ways to get
past those times in your life,and she's going to walk us
through some of that right now.
So, nina Sossaman Pogue she ishopefully here with us, unless
she ran.
So how are you doing?
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I'm doing great.
Thanks so much for having me on.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Oh, you're welcome, Very welcome.
You know, I can tell you werean anchor at one point, because
you have that, like you know,like you're going to tell the
news to me at some point.
You know what I mean.
I feel like you're going to saysomething, you know.
Hey, this tree started on fire.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
You're never more than an hour away from the
latest news on your 24 hour newssource.
I can go there if you want meto, but that's pretty funny,
that is funny.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
But no, we'll get into that.
But no, you, you've really gonethrough some different times in
your life and which isobviously why resilience is what
kind of keeps coming up assomething that you are able to
share, something that you'reable to help people with.
Did that happen overnight or no?
I mean you went let's go back alittle bit you started as an
(01:54):
Olymp almost Olympics.
You were almost in the Olympics, right, you were on the US
gymnastics team, which is a hugedeal at 14.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah, so it's.
I say it's my chapters in thestory of my life, the story that
keeps unfolding.
Uh, and I like being a queen bythe way, resilience queen, I'm
going to take that, you're morethan welcome to.
I was thinking more like guru orsomething, but I'm queen's nice
.
Yeah, it sounds good, it's good, yeah.
So I was, um, I was a gymnast.
I was a Navy brat growing upand found gymnastics.
(02:23):
It was kind of the youngest offour kids Like, put Nina
somewhere, she has a lot ofenergy and so gymnastics was my
thing.
And then I moved away from homewhen I was 13 and I moved into
an Olympic training center.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Let's just go.
You didn't get kicked out ofthe house.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
The first thing I thought when I saw that on your
bio.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I'm like, oh my God, she got kicked out of her house
at 13.
That's terrible.
She must have been really bad.
No, but I get it.
You actually were.
You were dedicated to your, toyour talent right.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I had an opportunity to move into an Olympic training
center at 13.
You sort of you know, I was anelite, I made elite.
I made that caliber ofgymnastics where they were
interested in training you for acoach would take you on.
Um, I did.
I moved from my at Florida wewere in Jacksonville at the time
, my dad was the airbase thereand I moved to Maryland.
(03:10):
Silver Spring, maryland, rightoutside of DC, was where the
training center was at 13.
And then I made the US team andI went all over the world.
You know Japan, hungary,germany, and just doing my thing
Back in the day with Mary LouRetton, oh my gosh, that's
amazing.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
And Bart Conner, yeah , back in the day with Mary Lou
Retton.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Oh my gosh, that's amazing.
Yeah, back in the day.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I remember those names.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, in the eighties .
And then I didn't make the team.
You know, I always say likeMary Lou's maiden name is my
maiden name is Rofi and she wasRetton, so we were like both R's
and we roomed together but Iwas not the top.
I was kind of in the you knowlike fifth or sixth through 12th
you know of those athletes andonly if you make make the
(03:48):
Olympic team.
And then I bombed a qualifyingmeet, uh, and so you know, after
being on the cover of magazinesand this big hype and moving
away from home, uh, it was, itwas.
I was so full of shame, I wasembarrassed to go walk all to my
high school.
I felt like I was a failure.
(04:10):
I'd let down my family and myfriends and obviously my coaches
.
So it was a really difficulttime.
That was my first big.
This is too much.
I call them my this is becausewe all have and I have my story,
you probably have yours too.
Nobody gets past.
But I was like this is not partof the plan, this was not how
it was supposed to go.
So that was one of my first bigfailures, where I had to figure
out how to get you know.
Go forward from there.
I felt like my life was ruinedat the ripe old age of like 16.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
So it's a defining moment, obviously.
You know what I mean.
It's sunny, I think we have.
Uh, I was at a thing years agoit was, um, I forget what the
name of it was, but it was athing where you basically it was
a class where you figured outthe defining moments in your
life.
You try to kind of figure outwhy you are who you are, dissect
yourself and kind of go down tothe core and go, okay, this
makes sense of why I do this,whatever.
(04:51):
So that was a major definingmoment there for you.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
It was and I had to figure out who I was going
forward.
And I regrouped and I didbecome one of the top recruits
for college for gymnastics, andI went to LSU great gymnastics
program, d1 athlete.
I had that experience.
But then my freshman year atLSU I blew out my knee in
competition.
So then I lost my sportaltogether.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
And.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I really was floundering like who am I
without this sport?
Because if you think about it,brad, back then it was like my
sweatshirt and my bumper sticker, my t-shirt and stuff.
Nowadays it's these kids,instagram and their Tik TOK Like
they really identify with,whether it's their sport or band
or you know whatever they'reinto.
So to lose that piece in me wasreally hard.
(05:35):
I floundered a lot.
I sometimes joke.
I ended up getting through therest of college and graduating
in booze and boys gettingthrough the rest of college and
graduating in booze and boys.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I love the honesty.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I didn't always make the best decisions there for a
while, but I did.
I found journalism when I wasvery, you know through, through
a lot of you know tough timesthere.
Well, when I lost my scholar,when I when I lost my sport in
order to keep my scholarship,they asked me to, you know, to
work for the university.
You had to back then.
So I had to work for theathletic department and they put
(06:08):
me to work in the laundry room,oh wow.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Not like laundry room , like washing, cute little
leotards.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
No, no, no, I'm thinking kind of just disgusting
.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah.
So, I worked in the athleticlaundry room.
So I sometimes say, I sometimessay my claim to fame was almost
that I, I, you know I couldhave washed Shaquille O'Neal's
jockstrap.
That could be my claim to fame.
Thank goodness I didn't staythere.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Oh my goodness, yeah, thank God.
That's not why you're on thepodcast, for grace sakes.
I mean by the way, the ladythat swashed the jockstraps is
on the podcast right now.
That's hilarious.
So so you go and do that.
So now you're you're, so whathappens then?
I mean, that's amazing.
We're all through your, yourchildhood gymnastics, that that
(06:50):
whole thing, everything wasthat's your life.
That was it Right.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
It's what I knew about life, and if you think
about it when you're 19 and youlose your sport, I spent my
whole life in the gym and if youdo the math, it's 70,.
More than 75% of my life hadbeen spent in a gym.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
So of course, it felt like my whole life was over.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
It was a very real feeling.
My life experience, everythingI've experienced up till that
point had been mostly that Now Ican see fast forward.
It's part of what I do in myframework.
When I talk to people aboutresilience.
You know I can see it fastforward.
By the time I was 50 and mykids left for college, you know
then that gymnastics was like28% yeah exactly, and if I live
(07:30):
to, be a hundred.
You know I need to drink lesswine and take better care of
myself, but if I live to be ahundred, no, no.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Wine's good.
I think today it was in thenews it's good.
Tomorrow they'll say wine'sgood yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I'm on team Brad on that.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah, I'm telling you it's the way to look at it,
yeah, cause eggs were badyesterday and now they're good
today.
You know how that is.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, I'm all.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I'm all in on wine and chocolate as long as I can
keep live to be 100, then it'sgymnastics is only 15 percent.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
But at the time it felt like so much and I really
floundered trying to figure outwho I was without it.
And thank goodness I had somepeople in my life who pointed me
in a different direction and Ifound journalism and I loved
being in a newsroom Once againvery competitive, fast, moving.
Get to think fast, move fast.
It's different every day.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
You're on your feet and you're you're thinking on
your feet too, you're, you'relike.
You know, I mean news.
Anything with news I alwaysthink is I mean, obviously
there's a teleprompter, but it'sconstantly changing,
everything's changing, yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, and there's, there's a teleprompter once you
become a news anchor, but whenyou that for a while, and then
that's how I found my way toCharleston.
That's where I am now,charleston, south Carolina.
And speaking of real estate,we're real proud of our dirt
around here.
The real estate here it'spretty pricey, absolutely.
Yeah, so anyway.
So I found my way intojournalism and I loved it, and
(08:58):
then I became a news anchor andhad real success there.
I did have a period throughthat, though, in my thirties,
where they went younger andblonder and I got laid off in a
bunch of layoffs.
So is that really?
Speaker 1 (09:09):
so that's something that happened, like they went
towards a different look for thenews.
That's amazing.
I won.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Charleston's favorite news anchor seven years in a
row and you'll like this.
I won it on a Thursday and thenon Friday, you know, it comes
out in the paper picture of me.
And then on Friday I'm in thenewsroom doing my thing and
we're getting ready to go down.
The weather guy and I are goingto go cut a news brief at three
o'clock Like, hey, you know,like you see on the news coming
(09:37):
up later, this happened, thishappened.
So we were walking down to getto cut that and the GM, the
general manager, comes like oneof his people, comes around the
corner and says, hey, nina, theGM wants to see you, oh no.
I think they're going to like Ijust won this award.
I think I'm going to get like abonus.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Right, right or promotion or something.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Thank you or something?
No, no, no, no.
They pulled me in there and theyoung woman from HR came and
sat down across from me and theysaid per your contract, we are
releasing you without cause andI was like yeah, so this was not
part of the plan.
But you know, years later, whenI got into tech and I was part
(10:18):
of you know difficult financialdecisions and force ranking
people.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
But that's wild.
How do you go from the anchorto tech, Like were you always
into tech, Were you?
Is that something that youthought this is what I want to
do eventually, or is it just?
This is just something thathappened?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
No.
So I I love doing news and Ithink I would have stayed there
like for even longer, but I had.
I had some things going on inmy life and I was looking like
what else is out there?
Yeah, and I did like a lot ofpeople do.
I kind of said what am I goodat outside of like reading a
teleprompter and having nicehair?
There's got to be more to methan that.
So I had to figure out whatthat looked like, and so I I and
(10:55):
I encourage other people to dothis when they're in these life
transitions and if they'retransitioning careers.
I met with people that Iadmired.
I met with a guy who was in.
I had coffee with a guy who wasin marketing, ran a marketing
firm, and I'm like, if you hadto hire me, what would you hire
me for?
And he's like I would have youdo like car commercials and I
was like no no, no, I don't wantto do that.
(11:16):
And then I met with a woman whoran the Center for Women and I
said, if you've been in a lot ofboardrooms with me and a lot of
events with me, what would youhire me for?
And she had some ideas.
And then I had the opportunityto meet with some other folks in
the tech space and it was verydifferent.
So I had a buddy who had astartup and Google had just very
(11:39):
much timing and luck.
There's some luck involved init, of course.
Google had just bought YouTubeand it was like video's going to
be big online someday, oh mygosh, this is 2007.
This is 2007.
Video's going to be a big deal.
I got to figure out how to makevideos, how big that file is,
how to put them online, allthose things.
I need somebody, and he and Ihad sat on some charity boards
(11:59):
and things, yeah, things.
And so he made me an offer.
I couldn't refuse and I left TVand went to tech to stand up a
media studio and start on theground floor of this new thing
Like YouTube was like all it wasall real new back then and it
was like what are we going to dowith video online?
And look where it's come nowit's so neat to see.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
It's amazing yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
So so we.
So he hired me to do that, andthen I I being both a gymnast
who can fall down and get backup and, uh, being a journalist
who can learn fast, I learnedfast and I had I moved into
different areas of the company.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Good for you.
And now, obviously that's,that's past, and now you've
moved on to uh, did you justretire from there, or how'd that
?
How'd that yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:43):
I left there.
I you know I'd done this about12 years and I was the vice
president of marketing andcommunications when we took the
company public.
So, I got to do the IPO roadshow.
Goldman Sachs was lead left.
I got to get on the little jetand fly to the airport and get
out of the fancy littleTeterboro and like be all that
you know and it was.
(13:04):
It was a really cool time to bea part of it, and so we had a
very successful IPO.
Forbes magazine had it as oneof the top 10 tech IPOs of the
year, and so that was afinancial opportunity for me.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yeah, I would think so.
Hopefully you were vested.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I was very much so I had a lot of options.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah, good for you.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
So so it gave me the opportunity to let my kids go to
any college they wanted to payoff some debt those kind of
things.
I'm not a big house, fancy carkind of person, but there was
stuff that I like.
It felt so good to have thatworry.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Sure absolutely.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
And so I, after that happened, you know, then I
started looking at life a littledifferently and said okay, now,
without having to be thebreadwinner and having to do
those things, what do I want todo, like, who do I want to be,
what do I want to give back?
And that's where the first bookcame from and that's where the
speaking came from the book.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
is that the?
This is not the end.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, so the first book is is this is not the end
strategies to get you throughthe worst chapters of your life?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yeah, worst chapters of your life.
Yeah, yeah, and this is whereresilience comes in.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
It is and it took me a while, like you said, to get
to that word, but when I starteddoing some research I became
this go-to person for peoplewhen they were going through a
tough time because people mystories were also public.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Yeah Well, let's dig into that a little bit, the fact
that the the, the reason youhave, um, let's just say,
credibility on knowing what it'slike to be resilient.
You told us a little story andI think actually we should go
there because it's going to makeit that people that are
listening go wow, she had a badthing happen and look where she
(14:37):
is.
She's doing podcasts, she'sdoing speaking arrangements all
over the United States or allover the world and, yeah, she
got.
She got through something thatwas really tough.
So do you mind telling thatstory that you told us before we
started recording?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Sure, sure, and I always ask beforehand trauma
dump and I don't want to know.
You know it's triggery for someof your listeners, so I'll tell
you a kind of watered downversion of it but yeah so so
think about, like, theresilience piece.
So I didn't make the Olympicteam and then then I blew up my
knee in college and I'd gottenfired, I'd gone through a
divorce, all these things thatalready happened in my life and
(15:11):
I was a very popular news anchorat the time and I went to pick
my kids up.
I took a day off of work to gopick my kids up from the school,
the school bus, and so I, youknow, went on a beautiful sunny
day and it was a crowded busstop and the bus comes and all
of our kids go piling off andI'm there with my best friends
and she has this new, like 11month old baby that's crawling
(15:33):
around.
We're playing with the baby,and then the bus comes and all
of these moms and siblings andspouses, and we're all just
having a gorgeous CharlestonOctober day.
And then, in the commotion ofall that, when it's time to go,
I, you know, throw my kids inthe car.
Hey, it's time to get going.
I had driven over because wewere going to run errands.
(15:54):
It was special for me to behome and in all of that
commotion, no one had noticedthat my friend's sweet baby had
crawled under my car and Ibacked up and he was badly
injured.
He lived.
He is in college now, verybadly injured, lots of head
injuries, and he um, it was days, weeks, months before he we
(16:16):
knew he was going to be okay.
And in that time, um because youknow I'm such a public person
there were news trucks on myfront yard.
Uh, there were prayer vigilsall over town.
It became very much a part ofwho I was and I didn't want to
be this person.
I wanted to be, you know, theworld class athlete and
everybody's favorite news anchor.
I didn't want to be the ladywho had injured her friend's
(16:38):
baby.
And so I had a really hard timefiguring out how to go forward
after that and I went into areally dark place and thank
goodness I had some good peoplearound me, because I really
thought I couldn't imagine.
I kept replaying everythingthat I should have done
differently or could have done,or maybe that, you know,
shouldn't have taken the day offwork.
And then I kept looking at thefuture and I just couldn't see
anything happy and I couldn'tever see myself being happy.
(17:01):
I'm like the world's justbetter if I wasn't here.
I can't do this.
So I went through a reallytough time, and that's where
what got you out of that?
Speaker 1 (17:09):
What got you out of that, like, what, what?
What was like the one thingthat you can just think of, or
maybe there's many things, butyour family, obviously, maybe
friends and what.
Talking to people, I mean what?
What got you out?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah, family and friends obviously the people is
a big part of my framework thatI talk about.
I had to get several things andthat's where my framework comes
from, because I can see how Igot through that, okay.
And then I can look back at howI got through the gymnastics
and the getting fired, and it'sthe same.
And then I did research on thecommonalities when people go
through failures or throughdifficult times, and it's the
(17:42):
same four things.
But what got me really throughthat then was one the I had a
good therapist.
You know I'm big into peopleand I'm very pro therapy.
But what he did for me was sayhey, it's not always going to be
like this, like the new cycleis going to move on.
Five years from now it's goingto feel different than it does
now.
He got me out of my own headspace in the moment and said you
(18:04):
know, news is going to go go onto something else.
The story is going to move onand you've got to be here for it
.
Your kids are little.
They are to need you.
Like.
He got me thinking ahead, whichwas a good part of it.
That's the timeline piece that Italk about.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Just like with gymnastics, like I thought it
was my whole world back then.
It's not my whole world.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah, cause you're looking back Right A lot of
times.
You look, we look back and so,yes, that was a large part of
your life.
But when you look forward,there's creativity.
You can create what's goingforward.
You know it's not, it hasn'thappened.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
I call it, yeah, I call it, all the blank space
ahead on that timelineAbsolutely Well.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
You had a good therapist.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I had a very good therapist.
If you draw a line on a pieceof paper, I have people do this
and put 10 little dots like 10,how old you are 10, 20, 30, 40
to live to be a hundred and thenI say, okay, put a dot on where
you are right now, and thenthere's all that blank space
ahead and I even do that.
So that's the one thing that Idid, and then it's called this
framework.
So that's the T is thistimeline, thinking, this
(19:00):
perspective, play it forward.
And then the second part ishumans.
I did have some good people inmy life.
I had a good therapist.
My husband really protected mefrom a lot of things.
My ex-husband at the time tookthe kids, so I took to village,
so it took a lot of us to, youknow, to help handle through
that.
And I always say you have toedit your people, so if you go
through something difficult,who's helping, who's hurting?
(19:22):
And sometimes some people wholove you the most are not
helping and you have to kind ofget them out of the way during
difficult times.
Um, so that was that piece.
And then the other is this uh,isolate piece like not what
happened before and not what mayhappen in the future.
But what can you actually do?
And, um, I really had some goodhelp with hey, let's go back on
the air.
(19:43):
Let's define what you know.
We I held hands with this mom wewalked down the hall of the
hospital.
We said we were going to getthrough it together.
We, you know, took advantage ofthe platform that we had and we
use really positive language.
The doctors were, you know,amazing and it was miraculous
and we were, all you know,praying for him and that kind of
(20:03):
stuff.
So the language we use wasreally key.
So that was the last piece ofit.
So this whole timeline, humansisolated what can you actually
take action on?
And then let's edit thelanguage in your head.
I wasn't the villain.
I was, you know, just a personwho was involved in this.
It was an accident.
Getting to that word was reallyhard for me to get to.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Oh, interesting, getting to the word accident.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
You know, you just, I just I get accidents, should
have someone who's like it wasjust hard, and these are also
stories you hear.
You normally hear aboutsomebody else right, and so
that's why, when, when, you,when, when it's happening to you
, you're like, okay, this shouldbe happening to somebody else,
not me I should be reportingthis on the news I say I went
from reporting the headlines tobeing the headlines and you know
I I'd done these stories before.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
And then, once we did some homework on it and looked
at it, it was like oh um, thisactually happens more often than
you think and most times theydon't survive.
So I guess we were, you knowaround here.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
we've had situations where it's the parent that did
it and they didn't make it Right.
Right, so you know, but luckilythe he's in college and or she
or she's in college and andobviously you still stay in
touch.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
We've been in touch.
You know one of the reasons Iwent back on the air for a year
or so and then I said, you know,I need to be less public, I
need to kind of do my own thing,step away, yeah, so I stepped
away and um, but I, obviouslyfrom a distance, I'm always
cheering for him and seeing whathe's doing and his parents are
here, still here in town, andyou know, yeah, that's great,
that's a good.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Well, that's good and that's.
But that's the reason, orthat's the that's many of the
reasons that you have that you,you've come through a lot of
different things and so you areum good at training people and
how to get past these certaintimes in their life.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yeah, and I didn't know that I would end up here,
but it wasn't something that Iplanned for.
Like, like, most of us don'taren't where we planned when we
were little children.
Like, when you were a littleboy, did you plan on being in
real estate and doing a podcast?
Speaker 1 (21:58):
No, not at all.
I was going to be a rock androll star.
That didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
I was going to be a vet and and an Olympian.
Yeah, that was it.
So we, we how we react to theworld, like the world changes
around us, and how we act to thereact to, that is where we end
up, and so I have.
I didn't think I would end uphere, but I got to that point
where I became because peopleknew the things I'd gone through
.
I became this go-to person andone time I had a buddy of mine.
(22:23):
I heard a knock at the door.
I go open the door and aneighbor standing there with two
beers in his hands, tearsrunning down his eyes, down his
face, and I was like are youokay?
And he said I just lost my job.
I don't, I can't go home, Idon't know how to tell my wife,
I don't know what to do.
And I was like I got you.
We came through, walked throughthe house and sat on the end
and I said, okay, let's workthrough these things.
(22:45):
And I knew I was helping.
And that was just one instance.
I had other ones that hadhappened too.
I knew I was helping people.
I knew the things I had learnedand experienced were helping.
In the books I'd read and the,you know, cognitive behavior
therapy things I'd gone throughand the PTSD workbooks I'd read.
I knew that I was able to helpother people.
But I didn't.
I didn't have it organized andput together in a way that I
(23:06):
could help more than one personat a time.
So that's why I left corporate.
I said you know something?
What if something happens to me?
I'm not here to share this withmy own children, you know,
because I have three adult kidsnow or with people who I love,
or just if I have this, how do Iput it together and put it out
in the world?
So that's where the book camefrom and it's my mashup of life
(23:28):
experience and stoicism andcognitive behavior therapy and a
little neuroscience thrown in.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
It's awesome.
It's really cool.
The experiences are incredible.
So let's go down through herebefore we would wrap it up.
We got some time here, yet.
The reverse resume I thoughtwas interesting.
I've never heard of anybody saythat before.
I always like to pick outthings that I've never heard
before.
What is a reverse resume Like?
That didn't make sense to me.
So what is that?
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Excellent, I love it that you picked up on that.
So I coined that phrase acouple of years ago and we all
have a reverse resume and I say,if you take a piece of paper
and again draw that line acrossit, and above the line is all of
your accolades, all the stuffyou would see on LinkedIn all
the stuff you would put on yourresume goes above the line on
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like on, above the line on theages when it happened to you,
you graduated or you got anaccreditation or you won an
award or you had a baby or youtook it.
All the good stuff goes acrossthe line, the stuff that you
would be proud of, and thenbelow the line.
I encourage people to go andsay now let's look at all the
things you've gotten through.
You've been fired or divorced,or you raised a child with a
(24:35):
disability, or you were bulliedin high school or like all
everybody had.
Nobody gets a pass, everybody'sbeen through some stuff.
So you put that down at thebottom and then you can sort of
it's kind of neat, you canconnect the dots and it does
like this up and down of life.
It looks a little like anechocardiogram.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
I was going to say it looks like somebody's heartbeat
.
You don't want to be flatline.
No, no, no, that's not good.
That's not good, that'd be bad.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
That'd be a boring life.
So this is life.
It has these highs.
Reverse resume is all the stuffbelow the line, and I will
argue that that's what makes youwho you are.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Not the wins.
Oh, absolutely, I love that thestuff down below.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Your reverse resume and I have executives do this
when I do executive off sitesand I'm like you better hire
some people who have some stuffdown below the line Interesting
I don't always say stuff but youneed that down below the line,
because when stuff hits the fan,you're going to need these
people.
You don't want people whohaven't been through some things
.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
So true, but that reverse resume is key.
Yeah, I love that.
That is nothing like what Ithought it was going to be.
That is awesome.
I love that.
And you know what's funny?
I never heard anybody say thatbefore.
That's why you're here, becausethis is great you have down
here.
Another new thing that we'lltalk about that you brought up
was FOMO culture.
You said you talk about we'reconstantly connected and there's
(25:52):
a thing called FOMO culturethat you say Are we hurting
ourselves?
How are we doing with that?
Tell me about the FOMO culture,because I know I get FOMO.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I mean, everybody does you know people talk about
FOMO and we all have it.
You know, before there wasanything online.
We just saw the neighbor comehome with a new car, or we saw
you know somebody have an outfitthat we like, or somebody was
better shaped than us.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Do you think it's actually the new jealous?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
it's jealous.
It's a little different becausewe're feeding this culture, but
there's some gel obviously somejealousy, it's this fear of
missing out, or fear of missingout on a different life it's
fear of missing out on wait.
Why didn't I, you know, marrythat guy or do that thing, or
take that career?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Nobody sees the reverse resume and nobody think
about it.
Nobody sees the downs.
On Facebook and on Instagram,Everybody sees the ups on life.
They don't see the downs.
They don't see that somebodyyou know was in an accident or
somebody was this or something.
You don't put that stuff onthere.
You put up stuff that makes youlook great, you know, so it's
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interesting, so that's that'swhat you're seeing is happening.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
So, yeah, it's this FOMO, it's this fear of missing
out, not just on the party orthe thing, but on a different
life, on something else thatcould have been.
And here's my favorite exampleof it.
There's two, there's one.
Okay, like you go on a vacationand you fly somewhere and you
do this great vacation, yousaved up for it.
First, you made a goal that youwanted to do it.
(27:21):
You save the money, you gotexcited about it, you packed,
you went and say it's sometropical.
You did the snorkeling, you gotthe tan, you drank the pina
colada, like you had this greatvacation Right.
And then you get on the planeon the way home and you're like
still glowing in it and, whenyou know, still sunburned and
you're on your planet on the wayhome and then a little thing
comes up in your app and on yourphone that says thank you for
(27:45):
visiting.
You know, give us our ratingand you do your little summary
and then, as soon as you hit,submit a little, something else
comes up and goes thank you.
And here are five trips thatpeople like you are taking.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Right right.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Don't miss out on this.
Go ahead and you know you.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
You know if you like this.
Here are five trips.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
You're gonna like this too yes, yes, and if you
don't sign up now, you're gonnamiss out on that so it's this.
We never get to just be happy.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
It's like, oh shoot, I'm already missing out on the
next thing yeah, it's so true,and that is the way we are, you
know.
You know we always say aboutbeing in the present moment.
I mean, you know, that's's theproblem is, sometimes we don't
give it, we don't give ourselvesto just be in it and actually
enjoy it and go OK, this wasgreat, we're looking to the next
, the next trip or the nextthing to to do.
(28:31):
It's so true, so true.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
So that is, that is an issue.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
What is that?
That's an issue for us.
I mean for people.
It's not good.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
It's a problem.
We all do it, I do it.
I look at other speakers andI'm like they were on six stages
and they were like, oh, they'regoing to bigger stage, they get
whatever.
So silly, I'm doing my thing.
I'm.
I am not them.
I've lived my own life andgotten to here.
That's right.
And I started a keynote theother day and I was like they
did my intro.
You know, world class athletelike the whole.
Thing in the award winning newsanchor and I walked out and went
(29:00):
.
Well, actually, I'm notsuccessful today.
I'm on a smaller stage thanso-and-so and I'm not making as
much as like, when do we get tobe successful?
But the other piece of theother example of that that we
all do that also has to do withour telephones.
I do this whole thing with thisbook called why Zebras Don't
Get Ulcers, and it's all aboutbehavior science and how we
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cause our own anxiety and stress.
Because you know animals, oncethey're in immediate danger, all
the stress response, thatcortisol, the norepinephrine,
like all that new adrenaline isthere.
But then as soon as the stressresponse is gone, it's gone and
they go back.
And we are constantly going towhat, the what ifs and we even
imagine things.
We imagine the lions chasing us, even when it's not.
(29:43):
You know yeah, absolutely and soI talk about a zebra, uh,
running across and the lionchasing it.
But then I have the zebra, youknow, pop into some tall, some
tall, uh grass to reset.
And I'll say and then our zebra, who just just has, like such a
good zebra and in, like themost amazing, beautifully
(30:04):
striped, just the right hooves,right size heart to be had, you
know, to be able to outrun alion, our zebra ducks in and and
as it resets, our zebra pullsout his phone.
What's the rest of the animalkingdom doing?
And he sees flamingo on thebeach and he's like ah, look at
(30:26):
flamingo on the beach, I wish Iwas flamingo.
Yeah, I want to wear pink.
I'm sick of these stripes, Iwant to eat shrimp.
Like he just outran a lion,yeah, he's so good at doing what
he does, but in a moment we canlook at somebody else and go, I
wish I was doing what they weredoing, like Flamingo would have
been eaten by the lion, youknow.
So we all have to kind of, wehave to get better at being
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really proud of what we're goodat and living in that space and
quit looking at each otherwishing that we were a different
animal, cause we've, all youknow, got our own makeup and our
own.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
And you're right, we, we do that, as I think a lot of
people do that.
They look at the other personon social media and go, oh my
gosh, look what, look what theyhave, not realizing what, what
you have and what you can have.
You should have gratitude forwhat you have.
You know, obviously I do.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
There's.
I'll be honest, there are somespeakers out there who I really
admire and they're just crushingit and they're doing these big
stages and this great stuff.
And I'll think, man, you know,I wish I could do that.
And then I'll remind myself, oh, they have never even had any
kids yet.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Like they're 30 something years old.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
I have three adult children and these careers I've
already had, but I'm wishing Iwas this 30 something year old
who has this big stage.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
So, but I don't think the age should hold you back.
I mean you're just.
I mean you're how long you'vebeen doing the speaking that the
public speaking.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Oh, I'm just using that as an example.
I'm doing fine, yeah, so I'mcoming up, of course, because I
speak on resilience.
I launched this speaking in2020.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Oh my gosh, oh yeah, there you go 2020.
Yeah, that wasn't a good time.
Not a good time.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Oh my gosh, I learned very quickly about the speaking
business, because I booked abunch of gigs and you know, when
you book you get half upfrontand then they pay you the other
half when you deliver.
That's how my contracts wereset up.
So I had a bunch booked for theyear and then everything shut
down in 2020.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
You had to give it back.
You did, and I had alreadyspent it.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
I had no idea.
So I'm like, oh, I'm so true,anyway.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Well, thanks, there's one thing I wanted to talk
about.
Yeah, real quick, and it was atestimonial that I saw that I
thought was really, really cool.
And it was basically somebodyput a testimonial on your page
and it said she grabs you by thebrain, pulls you in and holds
you there.
I thought that was such a greattestimonial.
I mean, I'm sure you've readthat one.
(32:43):
You know about it.
It's on, I think it's on yourwebsite.
But what a great testimonial.
It was really cool.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
Yeah, this Tom wrote that Ican't remember his last name.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Tom Satterley or something, or Satterley or
something.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Hey, they're in real estate too.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
So that's cool, there we go.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yeah, so I spoke at their conference down in
Savannah I think it was.
Actually I've spoken at theirconference twice.
His team really liked me andbrought me back to speak at
their next larger conference.
But you know, some people Idon't do just my story from the
stage.
I really get them thinkingabout their own life and their
own things that they've gonethrough.
And I like the opportunity tomake people feel obviously laugh
(33:23):
, cry, all those things I do alot of.
You know humor because I thinkI'm funny, but I, I, I love the
opportunity to really get peoplethink about things in different
ways.
And, and I think with that one,we did a lot around resilience,
on the definition of it, it'snot persistence and grit how
it's so different frompersistence and grit.
(33:44):
People get them mixed up.
And then we did a lot aroundgoal setting, because every time
you set a goal you are askingyourself to make a change, to
get out of your comfort zone,and so why our bodies and our
brains don't like change wherethat comes from.
So anyway, thank you forbringing that up, tom Tom.
That was a really, really goodtestimonial and I am proud of
(34:04):
the fact that I can get peoplethinking.
I think I did say I respondedto it somewhere or maybe I'm
online back when he did it andsaid, hey, I had to give his
brain back.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
I promise that's good .
That's good, he probably needsit.
He probably needs it.
Thanks so much for coming.
How do people get in touch withyou?
So much for coming.
How do people get in touch withyou?
I mean, what's the best way?
Maybe just rattle off yoursocials or whatever, so we can,
they can, they can find you.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Great.
On Instagram, I'm Nina Speaksand it's Nina period SP.
Underscore EAK, because there'sother people named Nina who
speak, but Nina Speaks.
You can find me on Facebook, onNina Sossaman Pogue, on
LinkedIn, nina Sossaman Pogueand I just hey, I just launched
a workshop and now what workshopfor anybody who's going through
a tough time?
Uh, and the whole conceptaround that is you know, it's
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okay to not be okay, it's justnot okay, to stay that way oh, I
like that.
That's very good help figure outa way forward.
So, um, but yeah, you can findme anywhere within social.
I have tiktok, um it's, I'mworking on it, my team is
younger than me and they'redoing fun things.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
I think the other ones are more important anyway.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Anyway.
So yeah, find me on Instagram.
I do daily inspiration ormotivation on Instagram.
I think motivation is a lotlike a shower.
You can't just do it once, youkeep going back.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
You need it often Absolutely, absolutely All right
.
Thanks so much for being onhere today.
I really, really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
This has been great, Brad.
I appreciate it.
I feel like I rambled a littlebit.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
No, you're good.
You're good.
It was a great conversation,great conversation, thanks so
much.
All right, there you go.
Nina Sossaman-Pogue ResilienceQueen is what I'm going to call
her.
I think she's going to use that, which is actually cool.
But no, you want to check herout?
You can just look up her name.
Her name is spelled a littledifferent, but if you go to see
us on Facebook or Instagramwhatever we're going to have all
(35:46):
of our information there, soyou don't have to be searching
for anything like that.
All right, thanks for joiningus again every Thursday at 7 pm.
All right, we'll see you nextweek.
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